EP 22: TPI, a health journey update, and nerding out on golf for the girlies with Dave Phillips

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Quiet Please with Mel Reed and Kira Dixon is an
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You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to Quiet Please,

(00:25):
your favorite Smel and Kira are here with you for
another episode.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Mel.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
The other day, Andrew was asking me, do you talk
to anybody as much as you talk to Mel? And
I think the answer is no, Like I don't purposefully
talk to people on the phone for have these like
standing conversations with anybody else in my life?

Speaker 3 (00:46):
No, No, I'm thinking about it. It's probably very similar
in my life as well.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Kira.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
You just like text and we like a good voice note.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
I like a good voice note nowadays.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
I'm glad we're on the same page as that now
as well, because I feel or texting is a bit
of an effort sometimes, isn't it. And I feel you
can't really get the emotion across until you do a
little voice note. So I'm big voice note, yeah, big
voice note communicator.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Nowadays. I hate program I hate calling. I hate calling.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Every once in a while I woul like to call
you don't really answer all my phone calls.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
But that's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
I know I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
I don't answer many phone calls. I literally hate speak
on the phone. I don't know what it is. I
just hate speaking on the phone, which is weird because
I love talking.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
Yeah, yeah, that's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
But anyway, Hi, Hi are awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Like we definitely we're in love.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
We've always been in love with Colorado, but even more
so now we're just kind of exploring an area that
we potentially would like to.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
To move to. So it's been a lot of fun.
Me being me.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
We did a hike through the day and it said moderate.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
I thought, oh, that would be fine.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Didn't look at the elevation. And it's called for people
who are familiar with four kinds. It's called Arthur's Rock.
And I've got Kai like one of his rucksack things
and stick him on my back do this thing. Was
like I literally felt I was doing hell week in
Marenes like it was literally a thousand feet up the
whole in Hiwei like it was, and like there's not
an oxygen here, is there?

Speaker 4 (02:07):
And things like that. No, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
I took like I think one stop. I had to
take the work sack off and be like, right, let
me just have a minute, Cary.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
You're doing altitude training.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Literally, yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
It was I think it was obviously because I had
him on my back, but it was probably one of
the hardest tacks I've done.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
But we're loving it.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
We've been when swimming in the lake, We've been to
every single brewery we can find. Obviously found a couple
of my favorites. Oh but yeah, obviously. So yeah, just
luckily we're walking around a lot. Otherwise I'd be putting
on about fifteen pounds. But it's been a lot of
fun and Ky just loves it here, So it's been
It's been awesome. How about you. My little singer Kyle

(02:46):
is like, she's really fucking good. I was like, yeah,
I know. Is there anything that Kara can't do?

Speaker 2 (02:53):
When I told you I was obsessed with the musical theater,
I wasn't kidding.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
No, you weren't.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
So if you don't know what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
My house, my former house is completely empty, and an
empty house was really great acoustics. So I was in
there by myself after the movers had come. You can,
if you're listening really closely. You can hear the like.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Be really in the background. It literally just left and
I was like, no, no, no, I enjoyed the acoustics,
and I.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Was like, what if I just you know, broke out,
And so I literally stood. I was here for thirty minutes.
Just see.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Can you imagine me by myself full on jazz cams?

Speaker 4 (03:35):
No, I can't.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Oh so fine the way I recorded once just because
it was really I don't know, it's pretty funny, and
normally I would never post something like that because it's
so cringe and like makes my skin crawl, the idea
of people hearing me sing.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
But uh, but you're really good. Maybe would appreciate comedy
of the moment.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
I just you don't want care last year short, inn't mate,
You just got to do you You got sitting on
your own. Not many people do that, and people should
do it more. If that makes you happy, it makes
you happy.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
So exactly, Yeah, can you hear kai.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Is that ky out there singing?

Speaker 3 (04:08):
To know he's singing, but he's screaming because we're trying
to put him down and he's not very happy. Oh no, no, yeah,
he just wants to be up the whole time.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Was going on.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
So sorry anyway, but yeah, it's a very different sound
to you in the kitchen singing.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Okay, everybody's a great singer.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Can you hear? Can I hear?

Speaker 5 (04:27):
Yeah? I can.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
No, I don't want an app I meanwhile, please, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
So I have some really big news. I'm not pregnant.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Don't worry.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Jeez, I got all my health results back, okay. And
I had my conversation with the natural path this morning. Okay,
and I thought you would really enjoy geeking out over
this with me.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Yes please, Okay.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
So turns out I have a candida overgrowth in my gut.
And Candida is a yeast which creates inflammation, floating and
is fueled by things like wine and beer and yeast

(05:14):
heavy products. Also, it's possible that I have SEBO, which
is small intestine bacteria overgrowth, because I have a possible
high sulfur gas in my intestine, which is indicative of
potential SEBO. And I have something else called Enterococcus bacteria

(05:38):
in my gut, which is also a symptom of overgrowth
of candida.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
So basically, you're allergic to yeast.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
No, no, I'm not allergic.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
It's just I have an overgrowth and that can be
triggered by I had food poisoner, I was sick, or
I drank too much one time, and then it just
led to.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
An overgrowth of yeast.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
So all you have to do is clear it and
just kill it and you can go back to your normal.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
How to do that medicine, Yes, so she prescribes.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
She is a prescription medication, and then also based on
some of the other stuff in my like I had
really high iron levels, I have certain signs of dehydration,
I have deficiency.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
And vitamin D.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
So based on all of these things, she's prescribed like
like some medication and then also like very specific vitamins
and supplements for the things that I actually need. And
I think that that's really important for anyone out.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
There that's interested in this sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Is we hear so many things like, oh, you should
be taking this, you should be taking this, but why
are you taking that if you're not deficient in Vita
D or levels yeah, or exactly. So it was just
really interesting to go through everything with her and her
to say you're great in the you don't need like
my thyroid function is great.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I'm not sensitive to any foods. Thank god. Oh so
I'm totally fine dairy.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Everything, everything. I can eat anything I want to. She
was like, don't change the way you're eating. Let's fix
everything so that you can continue to not live so
you don't have to ever live a restricted eating life
and we can just get everything back to baseline. Kill
out that bacteria, make sure that your gut health is good.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
She like, prescribed some probiotics.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
So I need to I want to do I'm going
to do all this. I need to get this done.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
I'd be super interested in it, because, yeah, it.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Was fascinating to just went through all my labs and
percentages of this and what this means and that.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Yeah, I want to see how well you feel now
in like a couple of months, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Doing it?

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yes, yes, so now because the testing took forever, as
people know, So now that I have like clear answers, like, okay,
I don't have to guess anymore. I'm going to be
taking these cific things for these specific goals. So hopefully
in three months I will not be so lethargic, not
feel so bloaded, not feel so constantly disgusting and inflamed.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Good for you. I know, I'm I'm going to do it.
I'm going to do it. I'm going to look into
it and get it done.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
I highly recommend.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
And nobody out there just takes supplements. To take supplements
if you don't know what you should be taking them for.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Well, yeah, I do take supplements, and I don't think
that I'm benefiting from it, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
I've taken supplements on and off forever because some girl
on Instagram said, oh my god, you need to do whatever,
or some person that I know is like, oh, I'm
doing this and it's really great.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Like I'm sure it's great. I'm sure it's great for you.
But everybody's different.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Yeah, are you on that way to best trend?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Amanda Ballion keeps posting about this. I literally ordered one
on Amazon's today that day.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Should I not have? Is that that?

Speaker 4 (08:54):
That's fine? No, I'm not against it.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Actually, I have my own weighted best with Kai, so
I don't need one.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
How should I get one? Either? Got the sixty brand?

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, Honestly, it doesn't really matter. I mean,
I'm I'm just a big believer that, like walking is
one of the best things you can do. So if
you have a little bit of weight on your back,
I don't think it's a bad thing. So many people
have them here in Colorado, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, people in Colorado are like really into.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Supplements and me, okay, this is one cool thing though,
And me and Carti mentioned this last night. Kais like
in his element here, like everything is made for dogs
and families, like breweries is just like outdoor space is unreal, right,
like live music everywhere. We have not seen one kid
on an iPad since we've been here.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Not one.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
That's nice. Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
That's the think why we love it as well, Like
it's just not yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
It's not the thing because if you're running, you're at
a place where it's okay for the kid to be loud.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
And run around.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Yeah, be a kid.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah yeah, and you don't have to necessarily be quiet
at the restaurant.

Speaker 5 (09:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Like sure, if we went to a restaurant, there probably
would be some iPads, but we're not. We're not iPad people.
So it's just been very refreshing. Yeah, it's been really
refreshing to kind of have that.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
That's nice. That's nice.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Look at us being all healthy and I know, got
health and iPad free, and.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I'm thanking a lot of beers, so I wouldn't say
I'm being overly helped.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, but you're also doing altitude training, so.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Yeah, that's true. I'm doing Hell's Week Marines.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
So before we get to our guest, we have a
really great guest today, Dave Phillips, who's the co founder
of pp I, the Pedalist Performance Institute.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
We had murdered out over.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, I've never seen Melby so nerdy.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
Ever, I didn't even know. It's not need me either,
but hey, surprise us all.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, it was really cool.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
But before before we get to our guests, one last thing,
did you see the Max Homer thing?

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (10:56):
We always talk about the crazy dms that we get,
but there's some crazy show yep.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
I'm sorry, what the fuck is wrong with people?

Speaker 1 (11:04):
I mean, he basically got this DM that he posted,
which I love that he posted it because these.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
You know, it's important to take the high road, but
every once in.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
A while you need to shame them.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
You just yeah, just just in general, just as a
p SA for the world. Yeah, this person basically said
that they hope that Max kills himself.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
He's such a shit golfer. Hang it up. I don't
even want to say some of this stuff it was bad.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Uh so a Gayesler perfect stop crying like a U,
you know what?

Speaker 2 (11:36):
And win for ones? You're a whatever?

Speaker 1 (11:39):
And then Max posted a screenshot of it with I
think he lost his parley crying smiley.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
I mean, but seriously, though, what is wrong with people? Horrific?

Speaker 1 (11:51):
He's also getting Venmo requests.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Some concent of requests because he lost it. He's like,
so they I have not been across the finished theos.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Thanks, asshole. You just cost me nineteen hundred bucks.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
But what about the accountability of you are the one
that decided to gambo.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
That is the nature of gambler.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
I know, I know, but yeah, this stuff, I mean, yeah,
some of the stuff people have to deal with this.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I'm just so glad that he boasted that, because, like,
what a loser?

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Do you know what?

Speaker 3 (12:21):
I actually might go through my dms. Kylie loves doing this,
like you know, like the random people dms, because we
get quite a few, like like just shitty ones. And
I'm sure we should we should have an episode where
we read.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Out that I just read out. It's like that.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Have you ever seen the segment mean tweets on Jimmy
Kim Jimmy Kimble where the celebrities read meeting about themselves.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
We should absolutely, we should hilarious and just quietly Lotty
wode as well one, Oh.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
My gosh, dude, not even quietly now tell us about it.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
I was not really much to tell.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
I mean, she was she had a seven short lead
going to the last day, ends up obviously.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Winning Irish Irish Open, Irish.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Kpmg Irish Open. Yeah, and like it wasn't okay. It's
a torn in Europe, so it's not as strong as
an LPGA field, but they still had Madlin Sachstrom, Charlie Hill,
Georgia Hall, like it was still a very leone McGuire
was still a very strong field, and she basically just
destroyed them, just left them in the dust.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Amazing star, incredible star is born.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Yeah, I've heard a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
I actually watched her a little bit at the US Open,
heard a lot of good things about her. Just really
hard worker, like there's no talent there, Like it's complete
hard work and a coach has kind of installed that
into her. So I love that attitude of her, and
she's got obviously a shit ton of self belief. Yeah, yeah,
so yeah, I'm very excited to see where she goes,
especially being British.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
And we'll see.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
But yeah, very impressive, well done, very well done from Latti.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
I'll know her a little bit because of the Augusta
National Women's Amateur and when she won, every girl fills
out a kind of a fun fact sheet about themselves
and one of the questions on the questionnaire is what
would be your master's Champions dinner menu? And you would
appreciate this? She said she would have a full English

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like a roast and mashed potatoes and all the fixings
and all that stuff was her champions dinner that she has,
so I'm sure she'll be having many Champions dinners in
her future.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
But her coach, she went to FSU.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Coach Bond I believe told us that when they recruited
Lottie it was during COVID. They'd never met her, they'd
never seen her play in person, and she was kind
of like, not all that highly recruited. She was just
trying to navigate college recruitment during COVID, and so they
kind of blind date ended up together and they were like, yeah,

(14:48):
I mean I think this girl has some potential.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
And they ended up finding such a diamond in the
rough and look what she was turned into and she's.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Just going to be such a star. Couldn't agree more so? Cool.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Speaking of London, I was watching Love Island yesterday and
they had.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
A soccer player from Darby, England.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
Who was it?

Speaker 3 (15:09):
A guy, A guy, semi a professional footballer. Okay, I'll
have a look into it.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
I know what Darby is.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Okay, I'm going to look into that. Carli wants to
start watching it because she cannot believe that we don't
watch it. So she's, yeah, we're going to start watching it.
I need to start get but you have to start
with the right season.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
You have to start with the season where Chris Hughes
and Olivia.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
I watched that one though. I get from that, yeah
I do. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (15:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
I think it's when they stopped drinking and stuff. I
found it a bit boring.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
But yeah, but this season they're all being really mean
to each other.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
It's oh perfect, but also well, yeah, it's the TV business.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Isn't it.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
I'll get me and Carl will start watching it then.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Okay, okay, okay. So our interview today Dave Phillips mel
was her nerdiest self. It was super interesting to talk
to him.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
About very interesting guy.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Everything that you can do from a scratch golfer to
a beginner golfer. And it's probably the garliest conversation he's
ever had. But he was a great about it.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
I honestly, he's Yeah, he was brilliant.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
He was really I thought he was obviously very well spoken,
articulated himself very very well, and it's just fascinating like
people just you know, they think you can just go
to a golf coach when actually you do need to
get your body, you know.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
Test and see what capabilities you got. Speechons she got.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Seeh we Yeah. So hopefully everyone enjoys this listen because
I absolutely loved having him on and picking his brain.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
YEP.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Super grateful to Dave for the time. Hope you guys
enjoy it and we'll see you next week. Bye bye,
quiet Please is so pleased to welcome Dave Phillips to
the show. Dave is the co founder of TPI and
member of the PGA of America, such an expert in
the golf swing and Top one hundred, Golf instructor and

(17:04):
Golf Magazine, Top fifty and digest Wellness is an amazing
company that you're obviously a part of. So many things
such a long bio, Dave.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
I've been around a long time.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
You've accomplished a lot in the game.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Tell us about your story getting into TPI.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Like you from South Africa, Like, how did you what's
been your journey so far? Basically into how did you
get into the TPI stuff?

Speaker 6 (17:28):
Well, I had a crazy child here, So I was
born in England. I was born in Gloucester. Actually my
parents are from Yorkshire people and my dad was in
the military, and I grew up in Africa. So I
actually grew up in East Africa and Kenya, but then
very quickly lived all over Africa and through Saudi Arabia
into the Middle East, the Far East. Eventually my parents

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immigrated to Australia. But one of the common grounds for
me growing up was golf. So, you know, every Third
World country I lived in, my dad would join the
golf club because it was actually the social setting that's
where you got to meet other people in these countries
and it was a great connection thing for him.

Speaker 5 (18:06):
So as a young kid, it.

Speaker 6 (18:08):
Was probably the safest place without me getting bitten by
a snake or eaten by something crazy. So they used
to just drop me off for the golf course, and
I'd like most young kids, I just played golf all day,
especially in the summertime, sun up to sundown, and got
really good at golf and then eventually made my way
to America. I went to a small school Division two

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school called Ecrid College in St. Pete, Florida for golf
and football or soccer and played for them. And you know,
at the time, it was really just a way for
me to get out of Africa. I actually got accepted
to quite a few schools, but they were the first
one when I was living in Botswana to offer me
a scholarship to get out, and they.

Speaker 5 (18:48):
Had an international business program.

Speaker 6 (18:49):
I don't know what to do in school, so I like, yeah,
I'll do international business. So I took their international business
program and then kept playing golf. Then after college, I
played on some different tours, mini tours, and then I
played in a few European Tour events, some Asian Tour
events that I qualified for and then eventually had an
injury to my lower back and started studying biomechanics and

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the body and how it worked, and got involved with
working with David Letvetter at Lake Nona.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
At the time, he had the best stable of the athletes.

Speaker 6 (19:21):
I mean we had Faldo and Ernie and Nick Price
and Dennis Watson and they were the best. So I
got this crash course being around the elite athletes, and
I knew they're up bringing growing up in Africa. So
that was my kind of intro to the golf world.
And then that led me on from there to kind
of building my own network working with elite level players
kind of in the early nineties mid nineties, and then

(19:43):
I worked on the east coast of Maryland at a
place called Caves Valley Golf Club.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Oh yeah, the VMW is going to be there this year.
I'll be there. I've been there before once.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
Yeah, So I.

Speaker 6 (19:53):
Built their learning center for them, and then that's when
I met my business partner, doctor Greg Rose, who was
in Washington, DC.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
He was the first guy really in.

Speaker 6 (20:01):
The late nineties that was looking at biomechanics human movement
assessment screens, trying to figure out how an athlete moved
and then matched the golf swing to them and that
just resonated with me. So I spent a lot of
time with him, and then we created this idea that
we pitched a Titleist and at the time, the CEO
of Titleist thought it was a great idea, which was
good for us, and we pitched the first real Olympic

(20:24):
style training center for golf, and that was what took
us to California and building the Titleist Performance Institute, and
that's now it's actually in the midst of a major renovation.
It's twenty years old, and we built an education platform.
We have about thirty five thousand TPI certified instructors in
sixty six countries. We educated in ten languages, so it's

(20:45):
just ongoing. It's been amazing.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
So when you were developing this, like because obviously golf,
like physical fitness of golf was kind of very different
in the nineties, and I feel like Tiger really elevated
like actually were athletes and you got to treat yourself
like an athlete, like nutrition and everything. I saw your
first group of players that you actually worked with, like
and how did you kind of get them on board?

Speaker 5 (21:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (21:04):
So at the time, I mean, the pitch really was
because of Titl Tiger when.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
He first came out in ninety seven.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
Greg and I were like, this kid's doing something that
other people aren't doing, and we started looking at it
a bit more. And he was a titlest player when
he first came out, and so we had some access
kind of to what he was doing through butch and
so on, and I started actually Brad faxon Tom Kite.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
Those were kind of the first ones.

Speaker 6 (21:29):
Tom would do anything and everything and grind away like
you can't believe, so he wanted to know. And what
was really amazing is we got this crash course because
at the time when we first started TPI, they had
the match play out there.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
It was actually at La Costa.

Speaker 6 (21:45):
And walle Euline had arranged for thirty of the top
sixty players in the world to be at the facility
for us to test. So in two days we tested
Davis Love, Marco o'merer, like Phil Mickelson who was on
the Titlest up Adam Scott when he was a young kid.
So we immediately got to see whether biomechanics and doing

(22:06):
human assessment screens matched and when that happened.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
It just exploded.

Speaker 6 (22:10):
Then every player wanted to do it, and it's become
kind of a staple today that you need to understand
how your body moves, right, and if you understand how
your body moves, it's actually not that hard to swing
well and consistently. Where most players get into trouble is
they start searching or looking at what the better player
might be doing and trying to ratchet but that might

(22:31):
not be what you should be doing because physically you
can't do what they do. And that was really the
big eye opener for TPI and how we started.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
What was it like developing all of this in the
era of Tiger doing what he was doing, well.

Speaker 6 (22:46):
It was incredible, right because I mean he's still today
looked at as, you know, the greatest player of all time.
I mean, arguably obviously Jack Nicholas's record is a little
bit better, but you know, he really changed the way
golf was looked at, right, this young guy that produced
incredible speed and you know, a lot of people think
that he got injured because of that. A lot of

(23:06):
his injuries actually came from other things like running and
playing basketball, which just you know, kind of spiraled and
we didn't really work with Tiger, you know, at the
time he had kind of moved off. Probably one of
the younger guys that came in early was Rory So Rory,
when he was seventeen, Padrick Harrington brought him in and
he was complaining of low back pain. He had this

(23:27):
kind of hit motion that was so fast it would
actually stop, go backwards and start again, and it created
a lot of stress in his low body. So we
physically assessed Rory and said, listen, you need to get stronger.
You have incredible talent, you have an amazing His kinematic
sequence was perfect, everything biomechanically was great, but his body
couldn't handle it. And that's where he took it on

(23:50):
himself to get a trainer, get stronger, and then he
went off and running. And now that's still the protocol today.
We see a lot of young athletes getting injured because
training for speed and trying to hit it further, but
they don't have the structure and they don't have the
team around them to build the athlete first. So that's
why we love kids that come from multiple sports. You know,

(24:10):
I love kids that play every sport.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
Don't get pigeonholed in a golf right away.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
That's actually the exact question I was going to ask, Like,
I grew up playing multiple sports and always have done,
like I'll still have a kick about and things like that,
and I think that that's been like a blessing in
a way because I've never been, like you say, pigeonholing
to being a golfer. So I was actually going to say,
would you recommend young kids, like, you know, if I
meet a ten year old who's super talented at golf,

(24:37):
like I see so many of them just playing golf,
and I'm like, please go, and like, I think it
will benefit you in the long run if you play
other sports.

Speaker 5 (24:46):
Absolutely it is. It is the foundation.

Speaker 6 (24:48):
If you look at the best in the world and
ask them what they did when they were young, they
played everything. So you know, when you pigeonhole somebody, you
can't figure out talent when they're twelve or thirteen.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
They just have developed yet.

Speaker 6 (25:01):
So you may have this superstar that has this beautiful
little golf swing when they're eight, nine, ten years old.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
The kid that looks like they're falling over but they
hit it as hard as they can because they're developing
the things we need to build speed. We can teach
them how to hit it straight when they get older.
But you know, I see a lot of kids with
these perfect looking golf swings when they're young, and those
aren't necessarily the best. They don't always turn out the best.
You want the athlete first, always.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
What are some of the because I feel like in
reporting life, I'm constantly hearing about spinal fusions and torn
labrooms and these very common golfer injuries. What are some
of the things that you've studied that have you've been
able to apply to your athletes to help them avoid

(25:56):
those sorts of injuries.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
Well, the biggest thing for us is everybody start. It's
with the movement screen, right. I need to know how
you're moving. So the body works in an alternating pattern
of stable segments connected to mobile joints. So your foot
should have an arch in it. If you've lost that
and it's flat, well it's unstable. If it has an
arch in it, it's stable. The ankle should be mobile,
the knee should be stable, the hips should be mobile,

(26:19):
lower back stable, thrastic, spine mobile. It's an alternating pattern.
So what the screen does is it checks this pattern.
And if someone's complaining in lower back pain, ninety nine
percent of the time, it's because their hips are doing
what the back should be doing. So you know this
position we're sitting in right now, sitting it turns off
the glute, it tightens the hamstrings, it shortens the hip flexa,

(26:41):
so you know, we need to get up and move.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
And this is the big thing.

Speaker 6 (26:45):
And most people that go down with lower back pain structurally,
some people can be borne with hips that are tighter.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
But we can work around that if we know.

Speaker 6 (26:54):
If we don't know, you're just going to keep doing it,
doing it, doing it until you tear your hip or
you need to hip labor and surgery or so on
and so forth. All of these things can be avoided.
It's just a matter of volumes on you know. It's
like putting too much volume on a body that can't
handle it. So I'm always looking at how can I
make it like when we were born alternating pattern? And

(27:15):
if we lose that, that's the basis of any exercise
program is that your hypsotite, let's fix that first, and
usually your back pain walll go away and your knee
painal go away.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
So when did you first start working with women?

Speaker 5 (27:28):
Yes, I mean we've worked with women as well, like
ever since. Probably I K.

Speaker 6 (27:33):
Kim was probably one of the first that we worked
with a lot because she was local, so she came
in quite a bit when we were in Oceanside and
worked with us. And you know, we got to see
Michelle Wee when she was younger, and you could see
the speed that she could create, but the structure wasn't
quite there either. She reminded me a lot of Rory,
you know, Wiry, you know, move the club very fast.

(27:55):
And you know, ladies, you ladies, you tend to have
more mobility than the men, and that is a huge asset,
but it can also be a detriment as well. You know,
when you look at leg strength, you have muscle fible
wise men tend to have. You know, you have about
eighty percent of what men have. So to me, strength

(28:16):
in the legs for ladies is paramount. You've got to
keep your leg strength and you've got to use that
and that today, more than anything, is the foundation of
the golf swing.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
You know, they talking about force and pressure.

Speaker 6 (28:26):
More than anything today and how we push against the
ground to create rotation. Well, to me, that's the key
for lady golfers is you've got to understand how to
create speed with your legs because you have great leg strength.
And then if I can control some of your hypermobility
your movement and keep everything in check and let your
legs drive everything, the legs should drive the arms. They

(28:49):
do in the in the very best. So you know,
we handle it a little bit differently just because of structure,
but basically it's still the assessment screen.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
How are you moving?

Speaker 1 (28:59):
So you're saying I should use my big muscles in
my golf swing and not just try to power through
with my arms.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Dave, Yes, I am absolute Wow.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
So when you're talking about leg strengths, sorry, I'm being
a total nerd. I'm super I I love profer nerd mode.
Kira had her nerd mode. When we're doing theatrical stuff
like I did and stuff. This is this is more
my jam Dave. Like, So when you talk about leg
strength for women, are you talking about compound movements or
you talking about like do you need to mix that up?
Because I always did a load of compound movements. My
trainer was fantastic, and we did a bunch of like squats,

(29:32):
reverse lunges.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Right, I had to get my.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Legs really strong, but then for me, I had to
be very springy as well. So can you just explain
a little bit of where you would start.

Speaker 6 (29:41):
Yeah, that is that is absolutely right, that's great. I
mean I still think muscle fiber. I want the muscle,
so I'm not opposed to deadlifting, you know, squatting with weight,
any of that type of stuff. Lunges, all of those
things are great for generating leg strength and getting the
glute strength. You know, what we're trying to really do
is create that structure so that we can stabilize. So

(30:04):
you know, most lady golfers, when we test them, they're
usually way more mobile than men. They've got rotations and
we're trying to create some structure to stop it. But
it starts with that foundation. The worst thing you want
is legs that are moving too much, because then it's
like a building with the foundation. Right, If it's moving
too much, I can't use what I have. So most

(30:27):
lady golfers, to me, should be using their flexibility against
a stable base so that because they can really stretch
and then we can create that firing mechanism that unloads,
but if the lower body is going with them or
moving too much, it's very hard to use what they have.
And you know, I tell just average golfers all the time,
country club golfers, I'm amazed, Like I love watching the

(30:51):
LPGA Tour. I really do, because to me, I'm like,
this is what everybody should be watching. You're watching the
male golfers on the scene your tour, on the regular tour,
hitting at one hundred and ninety bull speed. The average
person at a country club male has the same kind
of speeds, you know, a ten to fifteen handicap, a

(31:12):
five handicap as a lot of female professionals who play
incredibly well and are really good, and you're not watching them.
You should be watching them and looking at their set
makeups and looking at what they're using, because they match
what you're doing much better than looking at you know,
John Rahm or Scotti Scheffler or whatever.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
So I think that Melan I have always felt that anecdotally,
research around biomechanics and golf has really been focused on
male golf swings and the male body, and then a
lot of those principles try to be applied by instructors
to the female body, which, as you've just explained, is
not a realistic concept.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
So how has the research in.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
The field developed for women specifically and that focus on
women's bodies and what it kind of looked like today.

Speaker 6 (32:01):
It's a great, great question, and you know it's I
think it's been driven wrong in many ways. And I
think that you know, when we first built TPI, the
first thing we did is develop an advisory board and
we have a lady on there at Janet Alexander, who
is the ultimate in women's fitness and health in terms

(32:22):
of understanding hormonal things that you go through that we
don't go through, how it affects your muscles. She is
part of our network and I defer to Janet all
the time and I ask her for help all the time,
and she is incredible, and you know, we have a
whole research group with her that specializes in the difference
between men and women because we are different. And you know,

(32:44):
you can't train the same as we do, and you
can't swing it the same. Well, you it could look
the same, but the things you're using are different. So
biomechanically and physically, the screen is still the same.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
I'm still going to do.

Speaker 6 (32:57):
This assessment screen because you know it will identify hypermobility
and then I know what to work on strength wise biomechanically.
Most elite level players swing the same, their sequences, the
way they use their lower body, core, arms, club is
the same feet and the way we push it against
the ground. Again, that's kinetics and that creates rotation. Men

(33:20):
tend to have more masks than ladies, so they don't
have to push as hard as ladies. Ladies actually have
to push hard against the ground. This is why leg
strength and what you were talking about earlier malon pliometrics
and developing like lunge mechanisms and jumping mechanisms those aren't
Those are huge for lady golfers.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
So what's your process, Like how long does an assessment
take or is it completely individual or like til me.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Through the process of the assessment if you wuldn't.

Speaker 6 (33:47):
Mind, Yeah, I mean the minimum would be three hours,
right for us to take somebody in, So it's three hours.
We do our complete assessment. Physically, we test you for power.
So I'm looking at lower body strength, core strength, upper
body strength, and then I look at the kinetics how
you use the ground, and then I look at kinematics,

(34:07):
which is biomechanics three D analysis of how you move,
and then we present that to your team, or we
sit down.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
If you don't have a team, and help you build
a team.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Oh we have a team.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
You have a team.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Now you're looking at it.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
And I'll relate back in care terms so.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
You can translate.

Speaker 6 (34:30):
The problem is is that if you come out and
I take you through this, you'll probably come out of retirement.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
And I know you're trying to retire it.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
So no, I've always been I've always I've never really
had like an assessment like that. Like I've always wanted
to come out and see you guys, and just like
I just would like to see like how my body works,
like how I should have I was I swinging it
well or to my body when I was playing, because
I could always get in little bad habits and you know,
I've had people kind of change things and it's not worked.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
And I'm like, why cannot do that?

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Because I feel quite like I worked so hard on
my body. So I would absolutely love to come down
and get an assessment, and I'd have to some ballful
because at the minute I can't hit them into the face.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
But yeah, it would be awesome. We should do that, Kira.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
I think we should.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
We should do it both and just compare our experience. Yes,
because I can speak to the amateur golfer and the
ladies that just want to enjoy themselves more on the
golf course, and you can speak to the professional experience.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
Now, yeah, we can film the whole thing. We can
put it on your channel. It'll be great.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
That'll be awesome.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Okay, all right, be careful what you wish for, Dave.
We will show up. No casual offers around here.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
So is this.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Something that, like, let's say I just started playing golf
and I have joined the frustrating world of golf. Is
this something that even a bit of a novice golfer
could go and do. Or is this something that you
would recommend to wait, you know, a year or two
into your actual golf experience.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
So there's a couple of things.

Speaker 6 (36:00):
Yeah, absolutely, it's going to benefit any level of golfer. Now, obviously,
schedule wise to get the Greg and I is pretty deep.
I mean we were deep like eight months out, so
it's a bit crazy, but.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
It's a big commitment.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yeah, yeah, this is this.

Speaker 6 (36:14):
Is why we built an army out there, right, so
we can identify someone. If you go to just down
MYTPI dot com website and put in your zip code,
we can find you someone that can do a full
physical assessment screen show you how you move and relate
to your golf swing, especially if you're starting and you're
starting to get some pain that would be may yeah,
because it could be the golf swing causing it, or

(36:34):
it could be a movement pattern that you're not used
to causing it. So you know, we want everybody to
keep playing this game. It's why we built TPI is
to extend the longevity of a golfer and keep them
playing longest. So you know, you can find somebody in
your local area that can take you through an assessment
for sure.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
And I just want to ask, like how much have
you seen the game change in the last twenty years
from a physical standpoint?

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Like I feel like the.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Guys now are coming out of college and they just
and the girls to be honest, like they're both just
they're ready, they're ready to go. Like they are built differently,
like they've been training differently. Like I never had this
access and that was only twenty years ago. Like I
never you know, I kind of figure out my own.
Like even we would go to England training camps, we
never really did an strength training. I had to do

(37:17):
it on my own at home and figure all that
out on myself. So I just wanted to get your
perspective on how you think the game is changing, where
you think it's going, Like, yeah, it's.

Speaker 5 (37:25):
A big one. You know, you're right.

Speaker 6 (37:27):
The Division one schools have such incredible facilities that if
you're in a top twenty school, by the time you
come out, you should be ready for the tour.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
There's no like, there's just so good.

Speaker 6 (37:37):
I mean the only reason you wouldn't be ready is
now you have to pay for everything, and the school's
been paying for it, right, And that's a.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Big shot the off course things.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, which is a big adjustment, by
the way.

Speaker 6 (37:48):
Yeah, I mean look at some of these facilities, right,
ASU's facility, Texas's facility, and yeah, that create incredible gyms,
the recovery, so it's amazing and they have great coaching
and a lot of these kids coming out are just
well ahead because they are training, they're seeing what the
best players are doing, and they're able to build that
team in college so that they're.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
Ready to go now.

Speaker 6 (38:09):
I do believe that when we talk about speed, there
is a point of no return in that there's to
me a playing speed. I think Rory's about at that
playing speed. I think you get much faster than that.
It's difficult to control. It's difficult to use it on
golf courses, right, So Bryson has some of that, you
know where he's backed off. I mean, we know we've

(38:29):
seen the long drive stuff where he can crack this,
but he plays at more of a playing speed and
I see college kids at that speed already that he's
playing at. So you know, they're talking about rolling back
the golf ball and things like that.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
That won't matter that.

Speaker 6 (38:44):
That to me is silly, right because really it's agronomy,
which it proved it at the US Open this year.
If you grow the rough long and you change the
golf course, you can keep the score even par. Really
it really doesn't matter. So it all comes down to agronomy.
I think sometimes they get, you know, carried away. We're
going to change this. We'll figure out how to make
the athlete better. You can't control the athlete. Right, So

(39:06):
now even neuroscience and the learning of the brain, and
we're now able to study the brain without drilling electrodes
into your head in ways where we know how to
build practice programs better for you as opposed to you.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
So doesn't matter what they do with equipment.

Speaker 6 (39:24):
We can still push the envelope and that's the nature
of the beast. We will always do that. So to me,
if you're trying to look at where the golf is
going to go, there is a ceiling. We're almost at it,
because I think any faster and people will break there.
And we're already seeing that with young players coming out
of college that don't have the structure. We're seeing, you know,

(39:45):
fractures in their back hip issues, and so I think
we're at that. And then to me, if you're really
trying to manage the game, it's more about agronomy and
building golf courses that force you to hit certain shots.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
So a lot of the listeners of this show are
probably more passive golf consumers or amateur golfers, people that
are just interested in the golf pop culture.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
I guess you could say the golf site guys, and
a lot of.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Them probably would have heard the golf rollback debate, and
obviously a lot of that is focused on equipment. But
if you were explaining that golf rollback world to somebody
that just knows that terminology from a passive standpoint, how
would you explain what that is right now in the
golf landscape.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
Sure, so we'll keep it simple. I'm sorry, I kind
of went.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Down a no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
I love it, but it's a great way for people
to learn about, you know, what's actually because it's a
huge issue right now.

Speaker 6 (40:42):
So yeah, So you have the USGA, which is governs
I am at a golf and they create the rules
of golf along with the RNA, which is the Royal
and Ancient which is the European side. And they because
they create the rules, they feel like the golf ball
today is going too far. They want to reduce that
and create this golf ball that doesn't go as far. Now,

(41:05):
in twenty twenty eight, they're trying to push it that
professional golfers will use this golf ball, and in twenty
thirty we will all use this golf ball, which gets
rid of the current golf balls of the day and
brings the distance back.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
Now they claim that at a certain.

Speaker 6 (41:19):
Speed you will lose more than you will at a
lower speed, So it might not affect the amateur golfer
that much, but we already know because we've been testing
the golf ball that it does.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
So to me, I.

Speaker 6 (41:32):
Think golf has never been in a better place than
it is right now. It's booming like crazy. The fastest
part of that is, ladies, golf is growing astronomically right now.
My daughter is twenty three years old, just graduated college,
and it's going to the range every day.

Speaker 5 (41:47):
And I didn't even want to play golf when I
was tea. I'm like, how come when you wouldn't go
out and play golf? And now it's all.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
It's cool now, Dad, it's cool, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Podcast about it, everything's cool.

Speaker 6 (42:04):
So it's exciting for somebody like me. I'm like, this
is great. My daughter's playing golf and and to me,
you know, golf is in this spot where people are
enjoying it, So why would we then kind of roll
the golf ball back. I just don't don't get it,
because really, what's changed the game? Mel and this you
probably agree with this, The technology around understanding what the

(42:26):
golf ball does, and the club does launch monitors. Right,
every player drops down a launch monitor. So it's a
piece of technology that shows me attack angle, spin rates.
I can now modify my club and the golf ball
and my conditions to make me optimize my distance.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
Right, that was never around before.

Speaker 6 (42:47):
The other big factor that affecting golf that nobody talks
about fifty percent of the game is putting. Yet putting
has no restrictions on it. There are putters coming out
that basically swing themselves and you know, to me, that's wrong,
that that's against the game.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
So there are lots of ways you can curb this game.

Speaker 6 (43:06):
But in terms of the golf ball roll back, basically
what's happening is in twenty thirty we're all going to
go to a golf ball that doesn't go as far
ast today's golf ball.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
It's crazy, like where are the days?

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Like when I was practicing when I was fifteen sixteen,
It's a stick, an umbrella like in the ground and
just guess it was fifty pace out fifty yards and
just try and hit it.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
And I have no idea what really I was doing.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
But there was no technology like you say nowadays, every
single player has a launch monitor and knows exactly how
they're hitting it, exactly how far they hitting it, even
they can customize it to the actual weather and things
like that. Likes, it's nuts to me, Like, I think
technology is just it's it's exactly why the game is
booming in a lot of ways. But I'm also like,
I wonder how good these players would have been if

(43:46):
they would have had to have like grown up without
you know, like the red mark is at one fifty
and I had to like kind of paste and just
look at the flag and go a think it's in
the middle, Like, yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 6 (43:56):
Most British courses, right, I mean you play in England
that there isn't mark is on the spring, there's not
yardage is on a lot of the heads of the
old golf cause you're just kind of guessing. I think
I'll just you know, it's in between a seven and eight.
I think I'll hit a little bit more landed short.
That's the creativeness of agronomy and the golf courses. And
I think these green books and you know, to me,
I'm I'm a I'm a little anti ame point on

(44:18):
the ground.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
I'm going to all the.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Hot button issues.

Speaker 6 (44:23):
Yeah, it's crazy to me. You know, I'm a bit
of a purist and that I'm like, you take you keep.
I get it, and it's brilliant and it's helped a
lot of people. But you're walking over the hole and
stepping on either side of the hole. I mean, the
footprints around the hole at the end of the day
must be unbelievable that.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
You can straddle the line the line, but you're stepping
on the guy behind you who's coming. You know.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
A point is so fascinating to me, especially in junior
golf right now. I've worked some some junior golf events
for broadcasts and they show these kids doing am point
for legitimately three to four minutes to read a punt,
and you know, they're kids, so they blow it six
feet past or it comes up short. But in my mind, like,

(45:11):
you're gonna do an end point and step all around
this hole, you better be making that putt because we
all just sat here for three to four minutes waiting
for you to do this.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
It's pretty wild.

Speaker 6 (45:20):
To a thirteen to fourteen year old junior tournament threesomes
five and a half hours and.

Speaker 5 (45:27):
I'm like five and a half hours.

Speaker 6 (45:28):
I would have played thirty six back in the day
in five hours. You know, as a kid, you step
up and hit it, and today it was like this
is this is gonna. This is part of the problem.
I mean, even Mages. I mean the fact that twosomes
are playing in like four and a half five hours
at a major, that alone is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
He is getting at Bell going, Dave, we did kpmg
th we were in two balls and they turned to
front nine and three hours and fifteen minutes.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
It's crazy.

Speaker 6 (45:57):
I mean even Kira when you look events now, So
I have a big pep peeve that mages. During the
practice rounds, there should be a shark clock on the
green and when everybody gets on the green, you have
five minutes to do your stuff and then you move on.
Because when we the Year's Open, it took us three hours,
forty five minutes to play seven holes in the practice round.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
Wow. Yeah, and I'm sitting there, what are we even
doing out here?

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (46:24):
Well, what's the point? And that hurts the fan who's
paid for a ticket to come and watch. Most players,
it used to be that they would play eighteen They
don't know play, it plays eighteen anymore. They play nine
on Tuesday, nine on Wednesday. They usually come the week
before or two weeks before and get their work done
and they want to get out of there. Some of
them don't even show up till Wednesday. That hurts the fan,

(46:46):
and it's because they've allowed this to get so slow.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Yeah, I played some pro ams, and obviously the pro
is using that time to prepare and you.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Watch them go through their work.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
You know, I'm just there for fun, So I just
put out and go stand on the next team and
wait for them, and you know, sometimes you're waiting for
a long time for them to finish up, and you know,
I understand they're doing their work, but part of it
is also like, man, we've been out here for a
long time.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
It's too much. Kira Is That's yeah, it's way too much.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
So I just want to get into a little bit
because I have a lot of friends who play other
professional sports like football, soccer and cricket and stuff, and
they think that we are absolute psychos at golfers. The
amount that we put the amount of work that we
put in. Then we you know, we get to the
golf course two hours three hours before do our warmert
little gym routine, then we hit balls, then we play teen,
then we come back and hit more balls. Like they

(47:46):
just think it's just craziness. So I wanted to get
into like what is your thought on like recovery nowadays?
And obviously you've got your you know, nutrition full wellness,
which I absolutely loved, by the way, I generally used
that for the last two or three years, and it's
amazing stuff, Like I've seen a massive difference, Like every
single lock room now has them neurotech like legs, we

(48:07):
have ice baths. Like what's your thought on it? Because
I'm just curious whether you think that golfers need that.

Speaker 6 (48:13):
Or I think recovery is more important than actually warm up. Honestly,
I think after the round, getting your body to rest
and then getting it optimized for sleep, which is really
where your body repairs itself, is the secret source.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
And you know a lot of players.

Speaker 6 (48:30):
Now the recovery is primary how you wind your body
down and the reason being, And you know for your
other athletes, you know a lot of them don't realize
the day of golf that you have right so you
show up to the course, maybe an hour and a half,
two hours, some players two and a half hours, three
hours before they're tea time. You know, So if you've
got a seven o'clock tea time, it's four point thirty

(48:52):
five o'clock wake up call to get you there.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
Right.

Speaker 6 (48:55):
A lot of sports like football and so on, and
they've got a time period that they need to be
there and then their matches ninety minutes or whatever.

Speaker 5 (49:03):
You're playing for five and a half hours, right because.

Speaker 7 (49:07):
Of howey, if you're working and that you've still got
a warm up, and then yeah, you might want to
do some work after the round to get bad thoughts
or work on something you did.

Speaker 6 (49:17):
So it's a long day, and they are long days,
and so to me, getting your brain to wind down.
And this is really what created the Full Wellness brand
and why I created this other company was I was
looking at what other athletes were taking, what they weren't taking,
and what kinds of things I could create that might

(49:38):
actually be easy for them to take. Because that's the
other thing is, I don't know how many times you've
been given vitamins. There are some people that are regimented
vitamin takers. I'm not that I don't feel any different,
and I take it for like two or three weeks,
I'm like, I don't feel any different, and I got
to carry all this stuff around with me.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
I'm not taking it anymore. But that's just who I am.

Speaker 6 (49:57):
There are some people that are like, I'm doing this
and I feel better, but like, there's so much going
on that you've got to create simplicity and a habit
around it so that you'll do it every day. And
I think that's kind of what we fall into as
professional athletes, is that you see what others are doing
and you go off try that, and then you might
feel a little bit better or play a little better.

(50:18):
Now it just becomes part of your routine. But I
always look at routines as routines can become just that,
a routine where you're not paying attention to it and
you're just doing it. I kind of like ritual as
a word, because that's how I make my coffee.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
In the morning, right, So it's a ritual for me.
It gets me up.

Speaker 6 (50:37):
There's a process, it takes me three four minutes, I
grind the beans a certain way.

Speaker 5 (50:40):
I make my coffee. It's a ritual.

Speaker 6 (50:42):
It's not a habit where I'm just going through the
motions or routine where I'm just going through the motions,
and I think that's the very danger of elite athletes
is it becomes routine. Oh, we do this every day,
we do our warm ups every day, but you're not
really thinking about them and creating the connection, so they're
really not working, and that's the danger. So to me,
recovery becomes more of that ritual. It's a way to

(51:05):
wind down your body and force your body into this
state of repair.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
And what would your ideal recovery be. So I've just
played let's talk about KPMG last week because I saw
it. It was one hundred, it was ninety five degrees, it
was hot, it was windy. The golf course was very
mentally challenging, and I just saw player after players still
going to the range, and I'm like, girls, you've been
out in like this ridiculous. But as a golfer, I
would probably have gone back to the range because I'm like,

(51:31):
I didn't like that seven nine a hit on you know,
So I just I'm just curious because I wish I
would have done things a little bit differently.

Speaker 6 (51:37):
So I think it is different for everybody. There are
certain people that that's you know, golf swing wise. You know,
there's certain people that hitting golf balls is like a
calming thing for them. It's the way they wind themselves down,
So that could be part of it. There are others,
like like a John Rahm, who I coach John. He's done. Like,
after I come off the golf course, why would I
go back to the range when I'm exhausted.

Speaker 5 (51:59):
I need to eat, need to fuel myself.

Speaker 6 (52:01):
I need to relax, and then maybe I'll go hit
a few putts or chip a little bit and maybe
hit five or six balls, but that might be an
hour and a half later. He really needs to get
you know, his body repairing or recovering by fueling it.
So to me, number one is I gotta get you fueled.
I got to get you off the golf course. You know,
we have patches now that show hydration. There's some things

(52:23):
that we do to look at how hydrated you are
and whether you're accepting it. This is why getting blood
work done is so important. We use Doc dr Andy Galpin,
who's the best in the world at looking blood of blood,
and we get that on a regular basis so we
can see nutritionally, how you're reacting to different environments, like
is it ninety degrees in humid, is it cold? How

(52:43):
does your body react in these different environments, and what
nutrients should be be taking, and how do we prepare
that recovery. So it is pretty intense to go through it,
but a lee level athletes, this is your livelihood. So
to me, I need to fuel you. I need to
wind you down, do some kind of massage therapy just
to get the muscles, get the fluid out. We do

(53:05):
some cold plunging. Some players love coal plunge, some hate it.
Just to try and just get that body relaxed in
a state. That's kind of how we start.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
How many tour players are you currently working with and
how much are you actually out on tour.

Speaker 6 (53:20):
I've had both sides where I've coached a lot, and
I don't like that because I don't really feel that
you could give your play as time. So to me,
I'm at a stage in my life where John is
my main guy. I've worked with John rom since he
was seventeen years old. He came to us with a
lot of physical issues with his club foot and so on,
and we built that plan and that plan works really

(53:40):
well because of the team we have.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
John doesn't need a lot of lack.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
I would say it works pretty well.

Speaker 6 (53:45):
Yeah, okay, you know when you think about especially today
with the world travel he has, he's a very consistent player.
And then I've got some younger players that I see
Jon Rahm in them, So I I love the nineteen
twenty year old that is developing that I can kind
of look at and go, I think I can do

(54:07):
what I did with him to that one. And I've
got a couple a young player on Live called David
Pooge who I.

Speaker 5 (54:13):
Think could be a superstar.

Speaker 6 (54:15):
He's again gone through a few physical issues recently, but
he is a phenomenal talent, incredible short game. And I've
got a couple of the younger players that I work with.
But you know, I get asked a lot. I just
choose to do this now at this point in my life.
I don't feel like having a lot of players is
good for me and it's not good for them because

(54:36):
I can't give them the time.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Who's the most impressive woman you've ever met, like from
a physical standpoint, with potential and just the way the
body moves.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
I guess so probably.

Speaker 6 (54:48):
Let's let me think about this, because actually I've had
a few that have been really incredible in terms of
strength and power.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
This is before you've done cares so far.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
So just to that because I am just specifically, you
can't imagine specimen it complete.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
Specimen Maria FOSSi was exceptional.

Speaker 6 (55:11):
She's got great lower body strength, exceptionally strong glue hip mechanics,
really good, like in terms of the way she stabilizes
that lower body, and she's powerful.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
She generates speedy as well. Right.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Calata Segonda is ities yeah, yeah, amazing talent.

Speaker 6 (55:32):
Like I look at her and go and she should
be at a whole nother level because she has incredible talent. Again,
very powerful, great strength. She was very impressive when we
did the physical assessment screens. Most ladies do better on
our physical screen than men.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
Honestly, you move better than we obviously exactly right.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
We knew that started by this.

Speaker 5 (55:56):
So you do move better. You know. It's funny.

Speaker 6 (55:58):
We have an assessment screen that we take you through
these tests, and I've only ever had two male golfers
complete it perfectly.

Speaker 5 (56:08):
One was Adam Scott.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Of course, I look at that perfect right, he really
is he's.

Speaker 5 (56:17):
The only one.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
And I've had, you know, Maria, I've had Beatrice for
car I've had tons of ladies just like, oh yeah,
this is easy.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
I'm like, damn, there must be something wrong with my screen.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
No, it's amazing, Hilarias.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
What about Emiti Pedison?

Speaker 3 (56:28):
So she's another good one my friends, and I think
she's one of the most physically gifted.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
I say gifted.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
She obviously works extremely hard it so I shouldn't really
use that word, but I'm just like, how are you not?

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Like you hit it a mile, like your low body.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Strength is incredible, Like your rotation is incredible, Like how
are you not? You know, I know there's a lot
more to it than just the body, but I'm always like, mate,
how are you not?

Speaker 4 (56:51):
Like top twenty in the world, Like how yes?

Speaker 6 (56:55):
So listen, I don't know who her coaching team is
and this doesn't pertain directly to her, but you will,
you will resonate with this. To me, coaching and teams
is a big business, and I think that there's a
lot of over coaching going on, and I think that
we need to simplify the message to the athlete so
that they can perform instead of always be in their

(57:17):
face and always give them feedback when they're begging for it,
because sometimes you just need to figure it out right.
And this is where I always I always put players in.

Speaker 5 (57:29):
I call it OCC, which is just an acronym for me.

Speaker 6 (57:33):
I call it ocean side Callsbad California because that's where
we are OCC. And it actually came from a business
principle that I learned way back from IBM, and it
was by a Welsh a Welsh IBM team.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
And most most people don't even know what Wales is.
I mean, we'll laugh because it's great Britain, but.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
I know what Wales is, Dave, don't worry.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
Well, you know what it is. It's not just a
fish in the ocean.

Speaker 6 (57:54):
It's a country that has its own language, which is
even more crazy.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Poster again or microwave Biberity poppity pop to ping pop
the pig. Yeah, sever it's incredible, big big Whales fans
around here.

Speaker 6 (58:07):
And I love which is right by Cardiff, which was
a big Rugby canswer. Yeah, I have a passion for Welsh.
But it was this process of evaluating something. The O
stands for obvious. It's either obvious, I see it. As
a coach, right away, I evaluate you. I see what
you're doing. I might take a little bit of video.

(58:28):
You're just doing this. The bulls too far forward is
two back? You're too far away. You've been playing in
the way. Whatever it's obvious or it's complex. Now complex
means I need more information. I'm not quite sure because
it looks good, but something's not right. And this might
be emily right. You're not playing at the level you
should be, so I need to dive a little bit deeper.
I might need to look at your biomechanics, might need

(58:50):
to look at your kinetics, the way you're using the ground.
I might look at your equipment, your mental side, or
what's going on off the golf courses.

Speaker 5 (58:57):
There's something you don't I don't know about, so those
of that I look at.

Speaker 6 (59:00):
It's complex, and then it's chaotic, and that's the other sea,
and chaotic is I need to take control. As a coach,
you're spiraling out of control because you're either thinking you've
got something going on that you don't. And that's where
your team is so important and they need to step
in and not be afraid to say it. And you
know there's a lot of people that surround themselves with

(59:21):
yes people, and Hey, I'm working with a great athlete,
and I don't want to screw this up.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
I've done that.

Speaker 6 (59:26):
I made that mistake years ago where I didn't tell
an athlete what I should have told them, and they
fired me, and I said, I'm never going to make
that mistake again. And so if I see something with John,
I'm going to call him out and go after him.
And we have a relationship where he may he can
get angry, he can come off the golf course mad,
and I need to get into his face and bring
it under control.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
And you'll see it melt away.

Speaker 6 (59:49):
You'll just see it gone because someone actually called him
on it, right, instead of let it fester. And so
that's kind of my approach to coaching, and that's kind
of where maybe maybe Emily is in that world where
someone needs to step in and look at it that way.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Yeah, so obvious, complex, complex, chaotic.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Nailed it. We should apply that to our lives.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Well, yeah, well I've definitely got the chaotic bit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
I'm very complex.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
That's true. So we've already got both of them. We
just need to we just.

Speaker 6 (01:00:18):
Need to work on You can help us, I'll give
you gummies and make your coffee gummies.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Yes, have you ever tried them? Gummies?

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Carret that I'm believab So I really sug got to
eat on the golf course and I used your brownies
and your gummies and it was the only thing that
I could get him because I've just I've never been able,
like I can't eat bananas anymore because I've just een
so many of them. But your gummies and I'm honestly
not just saying this, and your brownies were chef's kiss,
they were amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
So on that from an entrepreneurial standpoint, because you've obviously,
outside of coaching, you've created these incredible businesses. I've been
to TPI and Carlsbad the Titleist Performance Institute and it's
an amazing facility. And doctor Gregrose i think works out
of the Carlsbad location.

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
We both travel, but that's our home base yet.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
And then obviously now for wellness, So what is the
entrepreneurial side of building TPI and for Wellness looked like
for you?

Speaker 5 (01:01:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:01:14):
So I think the key for me growing up really,
when I think back to my life growing up in
Africa and all these different countries. You know, I've lived
in twenty seven different countries and all over Africa and the
Middle East, the Far East, and that gave me a
very broad perspective on the world and on people, and
just gave me this outlet of nothing is so much

(01:01:36):
like this, it's much broader. And that gave me the
ability the freedom to be able to do things that
I think other people don't, that they're scared to, because
I see things that other you know, I see things
from a three sixty view.

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
But I have a.

Speaker 6 (01:01:51):
Great ability then to focus down on the things that
I know that I'm good at, and when I'm not
good at it, I don't try and do it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
I'll just go get someone else to do it that's
good at that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:01):
And there's a lot of us that you know, we
multitask and we try and do all these different things.
But you're not good at that, and you don't like
doing that, so you're not going to do it good.
So I think entrepreneurial wise, when you're building a business,
you have to surround yourself with talent that's not like you,
that actually you butt heads with sometimes, because that's what
makes you so good. And Greg and I's relationship is

(01:02:22):
that way, in that he has this brilliant mind. You know,
he's like a savant in biomechanics and movement and the
human body and reading graphs and looking at numbers, and
I'm able to understand it and then compress it into
something simple that I can deliver to a student or
deliver to somebody. And that is to me, what entrepreneurship
is all about. Is that you can't be afraid to

(01:02:44):
go and look right, but you also have to stay
focused on the on the task at hand, very laser
focused on the things that you know to be true.
And that's kind of how I built for wellness. You know,
when for wellness started. I grew up in Kenya and
my dad used to take me into the bush and
I remember at six years old, he gave me my

(01:03:06):
first cup of black coffee and we bought it from
a Massai tribesman for a shilling, and we used to
go to this warning hall and he goes, don't tell
your mom, but this will be the best thing you
ever put in your body. And it tasted disgusting, but
I drank it anyway because my dad told me it
was the best thing to put in my body and
that was my first connection with coffee.

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
Well, coffee just became a passion of mine.

Speaker 6 (01:03:24):
I don't drink a ton of it, but I have
my one cup a certain way every day. And as
I started to travel the world as a performance coach,
I started to study coffee. Caffeine is a performance and
it helps you fo get There's a lot of athletes
to take coffee, and six seventy percent of the world
start their day.

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
With a cup of coffee. So it's a huge product, right.

Speaker 6 (01:03:45):
So as we started this, I was like, well, what
if I could attach something that's good for you to
a habit that you already do, which is drink your
coffee in the morning. And I made this product called
the Good Stuff, and that was really fulfill at the time.
So Phil Michelson at the time had sorry CoFe writers,
and as his friend, I was like, well, maybe I
can look within my network and try and find some
stuff that you should be taking along with what the

(01:04:07):
doctors have told you to do. And so I started
to study inflammation and I looked at cinnamon, and I
looked at collagen, and I looked at mc teapowder, and
I created like a chef in the kitchen, just this
concoction and I would put it in his coffee and
he'd be like, this is amazing. And then within three
or four months he's like, you know, I don't eat
as much. Well, that could be the mc tea powder.
It's making you feel full, I feel more focused, I

(01:04:30):
don't have as much drink pain cinnamon and whether it's
true enough for him and his body. It reacted and
it had an effect, and that's what the start of
this business was, is that, Wow, I can have an
effect there on him. What else can I do that
might help other golfers and people in general?

Speaker 5 (01:04:50):
And that's how it started.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
I'll never forget that first time when I was starting
to hear about fore wellness and I was seeing Phil
you know, walk around with his tumbler mug of coffee
and it was just the main thing that he wanted
to talk about in any press conference.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
It was amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:05:05):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's done very well and we're
continually growing. We have this line of gummies for recovery
that was designed around you know, they have tart cherry
in one of them, which.

Speaker 5 (01:05:15):
They're actual real cherries.

Speaker 6 (01:05:16):
Montamarcy cherries are dried and then we formulate them into
the gummy. The same with blueberries. They're real blueberries in there,
it's not an artificial flavor. And then the tangerine gummies
is exciting for me because it's the first one that
I've added a vitamin in that directly affects your vision
and your brain. So what most people don't realize is
that the tangerine gummies have something called lutamax. Those two

(01:05:37):
vitamins in your eyes that we don't replenish very well,
and they get bombarded by blue light, which is what
we're on all day long on our screens and sunlight
and blue light affects them. So this actually helps regenerate
those vitamins in your eyes. And then it has something
called rishi mushroom in it that crosses the blood brain
barrier and helps your focus. And so's they're all formulated

(01:05:58):
in a way where I'm looking at it radients that
other athletes are taking or that I'm hearing about and
trying to formulate in a product that's easy to take.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
That's super interesting to me, Like, I think it's incredible
what you're doing. I really do, Like you're definitely going
into a space that not many people have gone into
in the golfing industry. And yeah, it's just I really
do love your product. I think it generally is it
changed the way that I saw or the way that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
I could even feel my energy levels when I was playing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
And I've tried everything under the sun, and that was
definitely the best one that's great there I worked with.
So it's it's really fascinating how you develop that. That's
really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
So, Dave, this was I feel like we could pick
your brain forever. This was so fascinating. Mel is like
nerding out and do you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Have anything else you want to be a nerd about?

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Not really, I mean we kind of touched on this before,
but like, for you know, I'm a new mother now
and he's only nineteen months, but he's showing like interest
in like golf, which would be a whole life of
heartbreak for and bless him.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
But would you tell me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
To encourage speed with him, like when you're trying to
get kids and you just go, look, just get speed
as much as possible and then we'll figure out the direction,
which you said earlier. Because I'm sure there's a lot
of parents listening to this, Like how do I get
my kid like to enjoy it?

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
But then also you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Know, crush everyone, crush everyone exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:07:12):
An athlete first, let him play everything right? And ihand coordination.
When I've tested athletes like yourself, it's incredible. And most
people don't think of ihand coordination and golf. They think, oh,
to be a soccer player or a goalkeeper, or a
football player or a baseball player, I need to watch
the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
Well.

Speaker 6 (01:07:27):
It turns out the vision in golf is huge, and
the more we study it, your ability, your reaction time,
the ability to take in so many decisions so quick.
I mean you stand on a t box. You go
to decide the club, the distance, the yardage, the temperature,
how far the ball is going to go?

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
Do you want to hit it.

Speaker 6 (01:07:43):
Left or right? Right to left? Should you go low?
I is there a gust coming up? What's that noise
behind me? How do you get in that state? And
you've been there, so you've done that, And so coordination
I think things like table tennis, hitting a ball like
for babe, I love like throwing balls to them, balloons,
anything that their eyes are moving with their hands is

(01:08:06):
a great thing for golf. Right, and you look at
any sport and then leg strength to me, as I said,
you know, I think is primary. So any of the running, jumping, skipping.
It's amazing how many young kids today can't skip oll.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
It fruscinates me to the gym, honestly, mate, Like a
bunch of golfers literally can't skip. They can't even throw
a ball, like they can't throw it to their caddy.

Speaker 5 (01:08:29):
No, it's crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:08:31):
And anything interesting in schools, like in preschools and primary schools,
sport is taken away, right And like you know, we
grew up with PE programs where you have to do
hopscotch and and stuff like that. And Greg and I
actually created a PE program for the country of Mexico
based on soccer and they love it and it's gone

(01:08:51):
into every school and all it requires is paint, and
you know, they don't have the money. So what we
did is they have playgrounds and called Paint Provider paints
this grid and there's like games and it's hopping, jumping, skipping, grabbing, bouncing,
and it's amazing to watch. And to me as a
young child, that's what I see missing the most is

(01:09:13):
they're not getting that activity.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
Yeah, I can agree more with you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
It's always fascinated me how these incredible athletes as golfers,
but you actually can't. You can't kick a ball, like
I said, you can't throw a ball, you can barely
jump like it's crazy to me. Honestly, mate, you'd be fascinating.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
How are you beating me? It's wild.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Yeah, that was honestly really cool. I really enjoyed that
chat a lot. Like my nerdiness is gone full scale now.

Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
I would love to have you guys out, so you
let me know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Oh we will, don't you worry, Dave, I'm sure there
was already any email in your inbox from the powers
that be.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
Let's figure out a time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
For those listening, even if you are just starting out
it as an amateur golfer. Look up the TPI website.
Find a TPI certified instructor professional near you, because that's
a great way for you to probably cut out a
lot of the frustrating things you don't understand about the
golf swing and your body and can help you get
there faster and so that you feel good on the
golf course. Also, look into fore wellness. Dave, thank you

(01:10:10):
so much. This was awesome and I'm sure We'll see
you very soon.

Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
Thanks so much. I have a great risk your day, guys,
see you day me T BUYE.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
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Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
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Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
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