EP 28: Hally Leadbetter AKA DJ Hallywood, Content Pillars, and mastering the cringe

On this episode of Quiet Please! Mel and Kira are joined by friend of the pod Hally Leadbetter Hally discusses growing up with a legend of the game, using comedy to bring light to gender norms in the world of golf, and finding your social media niche. Hally also opens up about her mental health and how she’s navigated her way through the world of golf media. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Quiet Please, with mel Reed and Kira Dixon, is an
iheartwomen's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment.
You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to Quiet Please.

(00:26):
Hope everybody's having a lovely week and enjoying their summer
wherever they are. And as you're enjoying your life out there,
you're taking a minute to stop and listen to the
one and only Hallie Ledbetter, who is joining our show today.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Hallie is a so I always struggle with your intro, Halle,
because there's so many things.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
There's business owner, content creator, broadcast producer, deep her at
her wedding, so many things.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Welcome to the show, Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah, well let's we should just maybe just DJ. Just
just what is your DJ? DJ Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
That's the name of this episode, DJ Episode twenty seven,
DJ Hollywood.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
That's it. I got to give credit to coach Julie
Garner at Rollins College for that one. That's so she
would call me in college. So yeah, it's it's it's
stuck with just I have it on my wedges. Actually,
Hollywood Experience.

Speaker 5 (01:32):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
I love that you always said what is the story
when you had your first date with Billy?

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Oh, it's your dream. Yeah. I don't know what what
a psycho thing to say on a first date, but
I said to my now husband, I said, you know,
if I ever get married, and if you happen to
be the lucky man, then you will witness this. But
I really want to DJ at my wedding and I've
always just I've always just thought it to be so
fun to, like, you know, I'm I'm always and Kira

(02:04):
knows this. I'm one is to ask for the ox
cord in a car. Do ox scores even exist anymore?
I think it'd probably be more like, let me connect
Mike to the Bluetooth. But I've always loved, I've loved
to control the ox cord, and I feel like being
a DJ is the ultimate ox cord, So I just
wanted to have that experience. And yeah, I got to

(02:24):
surprise Billy at our wedding with a little mini DJ set,
which was very fun.

Speaker 6 (02:30):
It's kind of the modern day mixtape when you suted
to have a little crush on someone, wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, Yeah, but this was this.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Was the ultimate mixtape there.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
You know, the Fog Machines from the club had DJ
Khaled do a feature on her set.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
It was little Jim Jim nance, let's make this a
wedding for the agent.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah that's right, Oh my god, that was you called
it every favor for the five minutes that that was.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
It was the best five minutes ever.

Speaker 6 (02:59):
As she should make as your bloody shirt. It's all
about you that day, mate. I learned that very quickly.
It was nothing to do with me. It was pretty
much Carly's day. And I learned that very quickly when
we got married.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
I mean, did Carly do most of the planning.

Speaker 6 (03:12):
I would say it was a good nine nine percent
of the planning I planned.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
I was just the credit card. Basically.

Speaker 6 (03:18):
I planned the rehearsal dinner and where we had the
rehearsal dinner, which was obviously in a brewery, so yeah,
that was obviously. And the bar tub run out, which
was a significant bar tub, but my family were in town,
so that run out within about an hour. So it
was one of the most expensive things at the wedding
was the rehearsal.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
My family brought all their own vodka to my rehearsal dinner.
They just each showed up with the bottle for their table, which.

Speaker 6 (03:42):
Is amazing, but amazing anyway, how anyway.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Hi, how are you friend? Where are you in the world?
What are you up to?

Speaker 4 (03:51):
I'm here in La home for a nice eight days,
which is great luxury, mean, sleep in my own bed,
do some laundry. So yeah, it's great. Happy, happy to
be home for a little bit, which is which is nice.
And you guys also travel a ton, so you know,
it's nice to have a have a week at home.

Speaker 6 (04:12):
All right, I'm just going to jump right into it, Halle,
because this is what the people want to hear. I
asked Carly pretty much before we have every guest, and
this is the first thing that she wanted to ask.
So for those who don't know, your dad's a pretty
famous golf coach, David himself, how was it growing up
with your.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Dad for the Chuck Killer about?

Speaker 6 (04:31):
Well, no, I'm just interested because I'm a golf nede
as well, and like it's like the people that he
coached and the knowledge and shit, like I think it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
No, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
I guess it was good. I mean, if you were like, oh,
you know, how was it. I'm like, well, compared to
all my other dads, like he was my favorite, like
you know, so like for me, that was just very normal,
you know, growing up sitting on the back of the
range at you know, Lake Nona and watching my dad teach,
you know, in the car. I still remember like sitting

(05:02):
behind Nick Faldo and asking him if he was Nick
Faldo or Nick Price.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
I don't think he enjoyed that.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Are you Nick Faldo or Nick Price?

Speaker 5 (05:17):
He probably was like I'm cert Nick actually.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
First of all, yeah, I get it right, get it right.
Get away from me, sir, Nick.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
But but yeah, so you know, growing up, you know,
whether it was a you know, justin Rose over for
Thanksgiving dinner or Charles Howell at the house, it was
just like a very it was a golf bubble that
I kind of grew up in. But that was kind
of like through the lens which I saw the world.
Like I literally thought, I'm sure you guys remember the

(05:44):
Golf Channel show the Morning Drive, Like I thought that
was like the news, Like I thought that was I thought.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
It was it doesn't exist anymore.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
In the world. And so when I moved to New
York City. That was kind of a funny awakening because
you were like golf like led Better. That's a weird
last name, like who you were golf.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Like and so and so. But growing up it was
it was great.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
You know. I my parents never forced me into playing.
I got into a little bit more myself because my
brothers are really good and all. It's what we talked
about at around the dinner table all the time, and
I was kind of like, I'm kind of left out
of this conversation. Maybe I should get into it a
little bit. So, you know, after school, I'd go to
the range and I'd be hitting balls. You know, hitting

(06:28):
balls is a is a stretch. I'd be topping balls
and juffing balls next to Anka, just like striping the
shit out of it.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
You know.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
My dad tells the story still like Onnica had like
a girl's junior clinic at Lake Nona, and Anica was
like working her way down the range and I guess
had to wait a solid five minutes for me to
just make contact. And so it's funny is then you know,
at the Hilton Grain Vacations in January.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
I paired with her and I literally I called my dad.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
I was like, Dad, I've never been more nervous in
my life, Like this is like the this is the
most insane thing. Like I grew up watching this woman,
idolizing this woman, and now I guess you could say
I'm playing in an LPGA event with her.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
I mean it was no, no, it's technically an LPGA event.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Yes, yeah, you know, and and so that I've never
been more nervous of my life to play with a
concord and Sam at the course where I like grew
up watching her hit balls and you know, in the
at the height of her career. So so yeah, it
was just a funny, full circle moment. But yeah, I guess,
going back to your point, it was it was it

(07:40):
was My dad is the most wonderful, kind giving man,
and I'm happy you know that my little Holly self
took a liking to golf because it's been such an
incredible bond for us. And I was thinking this the
other day because someone was like, oh, like, did you
get like, do you work in golf because of your
parents or whatever? And I was like no, because I

(08:02):
I love golf and I and I'm really passionate about it.
But I think like for my dad, what he really
modeled for me was finding something that you're really really
passionate about. Like it wasn't so much like the getting
into golf that I got from him. I think that
was just more like a product of my environment. But
like I saw him and how passionate he is. I

(08:22):
mean he eats, sleeps, and breathes golf instruction. He does
it every single second of the day. I mean he
can't help himself. Even when we go to like a
driving range and he's there to give me a lesson,
he can't help. But just like walk down the range
and see who else might need help. Like he just
he just loves it, loves it.

Speaker 6 (08:41):
Golf coaches have a different DNA, Like they are all
the same.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
It is insane.

Speaker 6 (08:46):
Every single golf coach I've met is kind of a
little bit like on like that like a bit obsessed.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
They can't help it, but they.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
Have to be to be that good.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Yeah, And like how cool to know that you could
like make someone experience someone's experience better, like have help
them hit it better and thus you know, impact their
happiness and you know, help them get rid of their
slice or whatever the heck they're doing. I always find
it funny because people when they play with me, they
assume that I know how to teach, and I'm like,

(09:16):
and they're like, what am I doing? I'm like, oh,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
I'm sure. I've asked you so many times.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Hollie, why am I eicing it?

Speaker 4 (09:24):
I'm like, I couldn't. I couldn't tell you. It's like,
I'm like, and it's like, listen if you're like, if
you're working on something, and then you can tell me
what to look for by all means like alignment what
not for sure, But like I always joke that it
was a it's like a it must be like a
male gene in my family because both of my brothers
are very good golf instructors. But for me, I'm like,

(09:46):
I couldn't tell you. I have no idea.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
You will say, grifpit the wrong way round?

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Oh oh yeah, from the wrong I am a lefty.
I am a lefty and my little brother's a lefty too.
I don't know how that happened. But even it's so funny.
My dad even when he like, he'll teach me and
he'll be like your right hand, like you look at
the video like your right hand like my right hand.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
He's like, sorry, left hand, left.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Hand, like even he messes up in my favorite though.
My dad is a really big jokester, very big jokester,
and so I get really excited when I can prank
him and it works. So I took you know how
like on an iPhone screen. On an iPhone you can
flip video. So I took a righty. My righty swing

(10:31):
is so bad, but I did. I did like my
best righty swing and filmed it and then flipped it
to left and sent it to my dad and said,
it just feels like.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Things aren't clicking.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Things feel off, And he wrote me back a novel.
He's like, I've never seen it in this position before. Yeah,
He's like, your posture looks like what is going on?
And then me and then I called him. I was like, oh,
I'm just kidding with you. I just and he was like,

(11:02):
oh thank god. He was like I was gonna say.
He's like I didn't know what to say.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
It's like I can't have you out there with the
letter name that.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
I know. It's funny. I was playing golf like pretty
recently and the starter was like your your swing looks
like it's out of an instruction book, and.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
I was like, well, I thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
If it didn't.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
So you mentioned your dad as a jokester.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Is that where you get your humor from?

Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yes, I think so. Both of my parents are very
entertaining individuals. I think my dad plays it a lot straighter.
I feel like my dad has two modes. He's got
like his infomercial mode. He would be like, Hi, I'm
David Ledbetter and he very much like like pronounces the
tea very strong, and he's very you know, but much

(12:04):
more proper.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
And then he's got his like funny more like you.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Know, the the the prankster side of him, which I
feel like over the years he's shared more of that
with the I guess the general public, as you say,
but he is very, very funny and uh my, i'd
say probably the funniest person in my family that was
my little brother. So he really pushes me to be

(12:31):
funny as well. And a lot of ideas are like
things that I do or a lot of times in
conjunction with him.

Speaker 6 (12:38):
Because I remember asking you, is this this is a
couple of years ago. Now, didn't you take comedy classes?

Speaker 3 (12:42):
I did I did.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
I took a lot of improv when I lived in
New York City, which was so much fun. Did a
little bit of stand up during COVID but zoom stand up.
So I don't think count that is tough, that is
the but the writing was there, and you know, that's
ultimately why I moved out to Los Angeles, because I

(13:05):
was so interested in the entertainment industry and just being
around like really creative people. And so I was like,
all right, well, if I can keep, you know, my job,
and I want to continue to work in golf. I
love golf, but if I can come to LA and
you know, meet people in the space, I think that's
what's been so cool about living out here is that
there's so many people in the entertainment space that love

(13:26):
golf too, and so I've met so many incredible people
that I would have a very difficult time getting in
touch with them or spending a lot of time with
them if it wasn't for golf. I mean I think
of like you know, Michael Penya, Andrew Santino, Nate Bargetzi,
like all these really incredible entertainers that you know, I

(13:48):
get to chat with and pick their brain and talk
to them about projects all because they love golf, and
they're like, yeah, sure, let's go play.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, send me that script, Yes, send me whatever.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
I'll let you know what I think about it. And
again I would have There's no way I would be
able to, you know, chat with any of these people
or have any of the relationships that I that I
do if it wasn't for this game that we all play.

Speaker 6 (14:11):
So when you're doing your stuff on social media, and
I actually generally the stuff you do, we are big
fans of it over here.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
It does.

Speaker 6 (14:18):
It takes quite a lot of me from American to
make me giggle the way you make me.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
She's half and half.

Speaker 6 (14:24):
So maybe maybe that's why, Actually, yeah, that is why.
I'll take that back, Like, are you the one that's
creating all this? And you have like are you you
kind of the sole driver of it?

Speaker 4 (14:35):
We've got a group we call it, uh, it's a
very cheesy name, but we haven't thought of the better name,
so we call it Creative Club. And it is myself.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Very creative, very creative for the Creative Club.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah, so it's better content code Creative Club b.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
C C C C and we and we meet once
a week, and it's myself, it's Andrew Wantek, my business partner,
my brother James, and then Kate Scarpetta who played golf
at Princeton and played on the Semetric Tour, and then
and is now a TV writer, and a guy named

(15:12):
Foreshaw who's a stand up comedian. And there's some other
people that rotate in, like Jay Larson, who's an incredible
stand up comedian. He directs a lot of our stuff.
So there's a couple of people that like come in
and out. Carly Chaikin another one who's a really funny
acter that we do a lot of work with. So
sometimes it's my idea, sometimes it's Kate's idea, sometimes it's

(15:34):
James's idea. And what we do is like we all
come together, we talk about it, and then one of
us will go away and write it, and then we'll
come back and we'll refine it, refine it, refine it
as you guys know, like a lot of social media,
you know, a lot of times is shorter the better.
So sometimes we'll like have a script and it's like

(15:55):
four minutes long, and it's like, okay, well this is
not the whole thing. Might be funny. But if we
put out like no one's going to see it because
everyone has the attention, that's about five seconds. So we
have to pick the very best jokes and then you know,
chop it, chop it, chop it, chop it. Make sure
it's only about like two two and a half pages,
because that's the longest you could go to fit it
into around that ninety second mark. And then what we

(16:19):
do is we have a shoot maybe about once every
three months, where we have you know, I'll do my
odd like cell phone stuff by myself, but we bring
in like the full on, you know, twenty person film crew.
We've got hair and makeup there, we've got directors and
grips and sound people and whatever. And I think that
at least for us, what has been like our really
big differentiator is kind of the things that we talk about.

(16:42):
It's like, I think we've definitely cornered the market on
a feminist golf sketch comedy.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
Which is brilliant.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, that was kind of the first one that I
feel like, really blew up. So can for those that
don't know what exactly it is that we're talking about,
can you describe what this vertical is? Is within your
overall Holly led Better universe, because there are many many things,
and so what this particular one is that we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
And then that first social.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Media video that kind of went viral, kind that really
did go viral, that was about the women's.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Golf Yes, yeah, So this is Better Content Co.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Which is a production company that we officially launched in January.
And what we say is we create content that connects
and inspires with the modern golf fan, which for us
really does happen to be a lot of young women,
young women being the largest growing demographic and in golf.

(17:38):
But not only that, I mean we've produced commercials for
La Golf and with Bryce and to Shambeau, we've done
we just did a bunch of Happy Gilmore two stuff
for Top Golf, so just very you know, modern stuff,
a lot of social media stuff. But the sketches, honestly
it was these sketches cost a lot of money, but
I really enjoy doing them once. So that's number one.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
And number two, I felt that they.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Would act as almost like a calling card for our business.
You know, we could put out this stuff get people's attention,
and if brands are like, oh, that's really funny, that's
really clever, you know, and and basically use that as
like a modern you know, social media business card, if
you will. So that was the thought process and put
in in terms of like putting the investment into it

(18:24):
and the sketch that that you're talking about, which is
other Foot Country Club, which is you know, putting the
shoe on the other foot, basically flipping the script, and
what it would be like to be a man in
a world where you know, it's primarily women in the
golf space and what that experience would be like.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
And so that sketch came out of a series that I.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
Did with Golf Pass, owned by our friends at Golf
Channel and NBC. And so that's when the sketch comedy
started popping off.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
And that's what I did.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
You know, my business partner at the time, Andrew Wantuck,
was producing that show.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
And so after that show was finished.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
I was like, Hey, I really want to keep doing
these sketches, and also, you know, if we start this
production company. I think it's a smart idea if we
keep doing this, And so that's how it kind of
all came to be. But that first sketch that you're
talking about was the one where we kind of flipped
the script and then we've done another one.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
You know, We've had other sketches.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Throughout the you know the months, like where we had
like Onlyfan, which is to play on only fans obviously
where it's like and I feel like I'd be curious
to get your opinion on you guys because for whatever reason,
you know, our our partners are in the golf no
golf as well, Like I don't necessarily feel the urge
as much to call my husband and like go through

(19:43):
every single shot the way that he feels it's necessary
with me, And so i'd be curious mel like when
you play around, like do you call Carly and go like, yeah,
so hit a three wood down the left on the
first up with the song.

Speaker 6 (19:59):
I think I did try and to do that one
sin she just put the phone down and I didn't
even realize about three minutes that she put the phone down.
So my lesson very quickly not to fucking do that again.
But no, I absolutely don't feel they need to do
that at all.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, sometimes I feel like it's like a I think
it's like a dude thing.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Andrew will do it sometimes it must be a.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Dude thing because I'm like, I don't I know a
lot of women that are very big golfers, and I
don't think I've ever like overheard them on the phone
like calling their husbands or friends or whatever, but like
I've heard a lot of men do it with and
like and so and so. Anyways, that the inspiration behind
that sketch and it was actually my friend Carly's idea first,

(20:40):
which is like, what if we had like this call
center like where people, you know, guys could call in
and like talk about their rounds.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Because nobody, no women really wants to hear it.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
And then this like onlyfan thing, which would be like
a service where again a guy could call in, but
you know, then as a woman, you really don't know
what they're talking about, so you have like a cheat
sheet to be like, oh that's nuts.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
I'm lucky, you know, like bad bounce, bad bounce.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
So that's another one we do.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
So it's funny, like and if you haven't, we're working
on one right now.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Another another one that I say.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Well, I'm like, well this will complete the trifecta of
our feminist golf niche comedy and so we'll have a
third funny one coming out that we're filming at the
end of September that I'm excited about. But yeah, I
just I enjoy I really enjoy doing those and so
and again I've found that even though they're expensive, I
just really love doing it, and I love the team

(21:37):
that we have, and and and it has worked, like
we have gotten business and a lot of interest from
companies being like, hey, like, we really loved the tone
of that, Like what else do you have? You know,
even if it's again, even if it's not necessarily you're
not trying to stake your claim as like a feminist

(21:57):
golf brand, we still have like a lot of really
incredible ideas and and people that can come up with
really creative things. And so that's what we're kind of
trying to showcase through that.

Speaker 6 (22:07):
And what was the feedback like, because it's such it
is quite a fine line, isn't it of yes, yeah,
do you know what I mean? Of being too much
this way? And then people, oh, fucking here we go again.
Women's blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
For sure, for sure, I think ninety i'd say ninety
eight percent of it, it is positive feedback. You know
you'll get the odd oh. Like my favorite is like
even now this like with this uh I reposted other
Foot country Club and you know it's kind of popped
off again and it's been funny because like the like

(22:41):
the amount of even now like a couple times a day.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Their dude will comment on it and be like I would.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
Love this place, like I would love to go here,
and I'm like, okay, okay, go ahead. Yeah, and so
but generally very positive and I think my like I
really enjoy too. Like if you're trying to make a
change or make a point, doing it through humor is
a really nice way to do it because I feel
like you can make a point, but you can also

(23:10):
say like, hey it was a joke, so but but
like do what this do with this information what you will?
And I think that's a lot better route to go
as opposed to like finger wagging and being like, hey
it's you know, it's really messed up that women can't
play before this certain time and like you know, you
don't have enough apparel in the pro shop for women
or whatever. And because immediately if you call someone, if

(23:33):
you try to call someone out for behavior that could
be some you know, problematic people immediately get defensive and
they think that you're calling them a bad person, and
it's like, no, no, no, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
I'm not trying to say you're a bad person.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
I'm just saying that this, you know, could have been
said differently, or you could be more open if if
you know, your club could appeal more to women or
to other you know, demographics, if you were to do
X Y Z. But they immediately think, like, you're calling
you sexist, you're calling me racist, and it's like and
so they immediately shut down and they are no longer
opened a feedback. So I feel like if you're able

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to do it this way, one, you know, most of
the time they're laughing while they're watching it, and two,
then they're able to kind of have that conversation with
themselves internally and be like.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Oh, yeah, that is kind of wild.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
That is that it's weird.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
I have noticed that there's only extra xxls or whatever.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah in the corner, Yeah there is.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Why is the women's locker room in the attic?

Speaker 6 (24:33):
You know, why do you have no tea times to
women on a saturd Why can't you play on a
Saturday morning and It's funny because I've said this for years,
you know, like people have talked about because I was
speaking quite a bit, but for years about quality, and
I'm like, people will amatly go to price when I'm like,
that's actually not really what I'm talking about. I'm talking
about respect from manufacturers, from golf clubs, Like, how is

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a woman meant to get into the game of golf
when someone like myself even at times, can't play on
a Saturday morning, like on Saturday because it's Men'sday. How
is a woman meant to get involved in golf when
she already feels not welcome and.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Like you Tuesday as well, you know exactly, yeah.

Speaker 6 (25:07):
Because women's I won't remember. And then like also, I
always said it for years, like me growing up, and
it was, you know, with certain companies, it was.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
Always bloke bloke, blow bloke bloke.

Speaker 6 (25:18):
I never unless it was someone exceptional like an Anika.
That was the only time I may have seen a
woman represented in a pro shop. And I feel that
the narrative is now obviously changing, like the tides are changing.
But what you do, I think is, like you said,
we're not trying to make it personal. We're not trying
to like dig anything. We're trying to make you guys
understand what it's been like for years in assues and

(25:41):
you've not even noticed it because you wouldn't notice it
because it doesn't affect you.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
Know, exactly exactly. And so that's like when these guys
are like, oh, yeah, you don't understand, like we would
love this, I'm.

Speaker 6 (25:52):
Like, would you know you wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
It's kind of old, and I think and I think
that's why. I mean, I'm sure you guys have experienced this.
Like when you show up on a golf course and
you know either day was playing and like my husband
hits a shot, no one says anything, It's whatever fine,
My brother hits a shot, nosan says anything. I hit

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the most mid drive of all time, and like three
guys are like how d yeah, like what the And
it's again it's like they don't mean to be you
can't you.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Have to just go thank you, like yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
But they but they what they're and again because they
don't realize what they're doing. Yeah yeah, they're inferring that
they that they're surprised.

Speaker 6 (26:38):
That you're trying to be nice. Like I get in
the proms like, how do you hit it so much
further me?

Speaker 5 (26:43):
You're tiny? I'm like, fuck you, I trained, my asshole.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
I train and I do this for a living.

Speaker 6 (26:49):
All day every day. But that's how do you hit
it so far? And they're trying to be nice. They're
not trying to be dicks about it.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
No, no, no, and there's not time to like sit,
have a sit and be like, so what you said
right there problematic.

Speaker 7 (27:03):
You're perpetuating a decade, generations long tripe of sexism that
we're going to solve right now on the first team
at country.

Speaker 6 (27:16):
And by the way, I'm a raging lesbian, So let's
unpack it.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
Let's unpack the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
I had a yeah, I was on the range a
couple of days ago and this guy uh was warming.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Up in front of me, and.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
He looked back and he goes great tempo and I
was like, thank you, sir. And I didn't say anything
to Andrew, who was warming up right behind me. I
was like, okay, fine, just let it go. And then
I was walking over to practice my chipping before the
round and he also was going that way, and he
and then in the most as if he was talking
to a child goes just so you know, the greens

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break a lot more than you think.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
And I was like okay, thank you, and he goes,
have you played here before? And I was like yeah,
actually I have.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Like oh okay, well they just a great reminder for
you then, and I was like, oh sorry, no one.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
Asked wait listen to this. So the other day, I
am I love I love seeing like golf logos, and
a lot of times I'll like I'll try to strike
up a conversation with someone just because it's like fun.
So I see a guy with a Maran backpack. I'm like,
maryon backpack, that's cool. He must be a golfer. So
we're waiting for our golf club and I started talking
to him and my friend Carly, the actor, who's a

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good player.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
She's sitting next to.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
Me and he's like, oh, are you guys golfers? And
we're like yeah, and he's like, uh that's He's like,
listen to this. He's like, I have a listen. This
is a crazy story. I'm like okay, and he's like So.
I was in Mexico last week and I had to
play through a group of four women and one of
them played in college and I was like, and he

(28:52):
was like it was nuts. He's like they had and
I was like, that was the that was the story
that he played through a group of four women and wow.
He's like, oh wow, that's nuts anyway. So it was
just like I was like, I mean, I think we're
we're getting out there more. But I was just like,

(29:13):
where have you been, sir?

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Like there's lots of there's lots of crips that women
been playing off these days.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Story was gonna have a crazy twist, but that was it.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
That was the story.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
I love.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
I love what like the Marian backpack thing, you know,
the the logos are the birken bags.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Of of men's lives.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
So you wore a Pine Valley hat the other day
and some man came up to you and was inquiring
if you knew about the various places to stay at pebe.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
Oh yes, yes, yes, yes he saw. He was like
nice hat. And I'm like he's like did you play
And I'm like yeah, and he's like where'd you stay?
I was like in the lake House and he's like nice.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Respect.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Respect. It was like, yeah, yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
About the Lakehouse like a secret club.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, yeah, oh, broating you to see where you stay
or what you did.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Right, my favorite. I mean, Kira, I feel like you
and I have a very similar travel hat situation. Normally
we like to wear that the Master's trucker hat, but
I've I've recently pivoted to the Pine Valley hat as
of late, and I really enjoy I think one of
my favorite things to do is, I mean, most of
the time I'm flying in economy, so so I walk,

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you know as I walk, but generally, you know, there's
the well to do gentlemen that are plying in first class,
and I I just it makes it's so freaking funny,
Like they look up and then they do a double
take at the.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Hat and they all have best song with their various
club logos.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
Ye see some best club.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Like they're like I just know that.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
They want to ask, like I know that, They're like,
how did you get that hat?

Speaker 6 (30:56):
It's like it's like popping in the luminati. It's like
a secret.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
And if you were like a.

Speaker 6 (31:01):
Master's or a Pine Valley or a Mary top Dog
golf course, the guys are like fuck ish part back club.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
They can't believe it.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
So, how before you found yourself in the world that
you find yourself in now, which is so unique in
this space, there was a time when you.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Wanted to be a professional golfer.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
Oh man, Yeah there was there was a very short
actually no, that's yeah, there was a long Oh there's
a long window. And it's actually pretty funny. Now, I'd
be curious if you know do you know Aaron Rye's girlfriend?

Speaker 5 (31:46):
Nope?

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Okay, so she I'm like you on her name, so
please forgive me. But she's a very good player. She
played in plays in India and England, so she's a England, Europe,
Europe and India, I believe Ellie. Yeah, yeah, if we
could find her name, that would be great. Aaron Ray's girlfriend.
She's a beautiful Indian girl.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
Oh, I know you talking about Grika. Sorry I thought
you said Aaron engaged.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I know exactly talking about Yes, he is engaged to
Gorika Bishni.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
I really hope I'm saying that. I'm so sorry if.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
That congratulations to them, congratulate. Yes, So it was funny.
I was at the Century in January. I was I
saw we saw each other and the last time we
when we saw each other was l t Q School
in Morocco and she was and so she's like, yeah,

(32:43):
I'm still playing. She's like when when did you stop playing?
I'm like, literally the round with you in Moca, I
was like mid round. I was like, yeah, no, fuck this.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Out.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
But yeah, So there was a window there, I mean
in high school.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
I mean that's why I went to IMG Academy because
I knew that I needed to get a lot better because,
like I said earlier, did not like golf when I
was younger, and I'm a very all or nothing person.
So I went from like being like I don't like
golf to like, I'm going to play on the LPGA.
There was no in between. I was like, no, golf's
not for me. Actually I want to play on tour.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Just kidding Oniko watch out.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
So you know, ended up knew that if I wanted
to do that, I needed to get a lot better
very quickly. So went to IMG, worked really hard, earned
a college scholarship, was at Arkansas for a couple of years,
played on the team there, and then I ended up
transferring to Rollins And at that time that's when I
was like, I not one hundred percent sure if professional

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golf is what I wanted to be doing. And then
my mom, who was really the best golfer and most
accomplished golfer in our family, played on the LPGA and
she was like, Hallie, like, I'll be honest, I know
you and I just don't think this is a life
for you, but if you want to give it a go,
like we fully support you. So, you know, graduated from Rollins,
gave it about six months, and you know then what

(34:11):
was really funny is, you know, then I want to
go work for Golf Digest, and you know the rest
is how we ended up here. But I do think
it's really funny because I I am going to try
to qualify for the mid Am next week. But I
put off my put off trying to get my amateur
status back for such a long time because I thought
it was going to be like this really difficult, like hard,
long complicated to do. You guys, the form took me

(34:34):
seven minutes to go out. The form took seven minutes,
and then I text, you know, and it's based like
how long it's going to take is based on how
much money you made as a pro. So I text
my friend at the USJ and he was like, hey, yeah,
let me let me check in. I'll check with like
the department to see how long. And he screenshots at
tech that said like, hey, Halle just submitted or you know,
to become an amateur. How long do you think it'll text?

Speaker 3 (34:56):
And it just said no reason why it shouldn't be immediate.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Zero dollars made.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
I was like, okay, you know that's.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Rude, rude shot.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah, okay, whatever, thanks.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
What's the harmon letting Hallie turn amitter again?

Speaker 6 (35:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:14):
They're like, oh.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
Yeah, okay, no problem, that's not threatening.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
So so I really I was like, I seriously, I
think I put it off for like two years.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
It's like it's going to be really complicated.

Speaker 6 (35:26):
I'm sure I'm gonna have to, you know, go through
my whole professional history and then get because of my results.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
And you know the way I just like slaid and
so yeah, and then.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
By the Tony text him it's good for Morocco.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
I know, the Morocco. Yeah, that didn't end well. That
did not end well.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Lovely pizzas and.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Morocco strange lovely pizza, really nice pizzas. That that's the
only thing I remember about that week that I enjoyed
was after I go shoot seventy eight and be like,
can I get a pizza and an orange? Gina? Please?

Speaker 5 (35:58):
Gina stop it as one of my favorite rinks.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Oh you make me the ultimate Just sad, get me
out of here.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
What was it about when your mom was saying.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
That she didn't think that professional golf was going to
necessarily match with you or your personality?

Speaker 2 (36:15):
What was it that she was.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Maybe talking about that you now looking back and you're like, oh,
maybe you were right mom.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
I think that I like talk too much that I
like that.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
I enjoy that.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
I enjoy like camaraderie and being around people.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, like you like having fun, Yeah, I like having fun.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
And like the irony is like I played with my
mom last week. My mom was like, I don't think
you've ever hit it better. I was like, I know,
because I don't give a shit. I'm like, whatever, it's
not too late now, it's not.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, I think it's too I think it's much true.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Maybe not. But Mel always talks about this too.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
It's like she she she feels like she should have
played on a team sport because she loves the camaraderie.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
I love the camaraderie and honestly why another reason why
I wanted to start this production company was because I
really missed, you know, when I was at Golf Dies
full time and I worked with you know, some people
that you guys know, like Nicole Ray and Claire Rodgers,
and we had such we had this awesome team chemistry
and it was so much fun to to you know,
run those channels together. And then when I became a freelancer,

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I was kind of off of my own little world
and I really missed that that team component. And so
I've kind of been able to recreate that a little
bit again with the production company. And when we all
come together and come up with ideas, it's just so
much fun. So so yeah, I think my mom was
just like, yeah, I think you're not. You're not. It's
gonna have too much fun out there living living by

(37:42):
like by yourself and so and so it's been cool, though,
I mean I still get to you know, I think, like,
you guys know what Jemma Driber, who's a dear friend.
You know, we went to high school together, and it's
been so fun to you know, I got to play
alongside her again in the Hilton Grand Vacations, and it
was just really fun because.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
You know, I'd hit like I did a you know, I.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
If you watch just play like one hole together, I
think you'd be like, oh yeah, maybe you could get
it to get out there, and but then she beats
me by twelve shots because she's just so much, so
much better.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
But it was actually really funny. Billy was like, Hollie,
you need to.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
He's like, because if you look at you, he's like,
you look relatively athletic. But is your husband that my husband?

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Sorry, yes, my husband, Billy.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
He's like, you need to like somehow symbol that you're
not a professional golfer if people like watch you play.
So I just I was like, you're right. I was like,
I'm gonna wear a claw clip because no professional golf,
professional golfer screams this is casual.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
That's the thing you seriously.

Speaker 6 (38:51):
Yeah, it's like a like a you need to you
need to you need to give me a description anything
slightly feminine.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
I will need a description.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Oh yeah, Mels like, what's a clock clip? Sorry, Hallie,
explain the clock clip is like.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Those t hair Yeah, And so I was like, nobody
in their right mind would wear a claw clip. That's
flaying golf seriously, so I'll wear a clock clip.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
And that's how people in my mind.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
I don't and it made me feel better.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
It just it was like, oh, clearly this is a
casual thing for her. She's not She's not in the
actual professional field.

Speaker 6 (39:26):
Okay, So I'm always asking for advice to social media.
Kira promised me quite a lot.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Hey, I liked your I liked your Puma handshaking one that.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
I thought that all by myself.

Speaker 6 (39:38):
I always had to get to confirm it before I
do anything with the cassette and live agents, but they
were very impressed with me, and it was one tape wonder.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
By the way, can I just say.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Wow, everyone to go to Mel's Instagram and like subscribe.

Speaker 6 (39:53):
I'm definitely too old to be doing that trend, but
I enjoyed doing it great.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Oh come on, but that's the thing Hallie you always
talk about that is climbing Cringe mountain that can you
explain mountain?

Speaker 3 (40:06):
For sure?

Speaker 4 (40:07):
Yeah? I think I'll tinks one of one of I
don't know if you guys follow her, but she's a Yeah,
she's funny and she's an influencer, and she was just like, yeah,
you got to be willing to put yourself out there
and climb cringe mountain, and to be honest, like if
anybody is thinking like you kind of just have to
like brush it again kind of like my dad says,

(40:29):
like you just kind of have to like brush it
off and and and just because if the further along
you get, and the if you want to you know,
separate yourself and you know, especially if you want to
use social media as a marketing and tool for your
business or for your personal brand, et cetera, you got
to be willing to put yourself out there. And some
of the things are gonna flop and some of the
things are gonna be that funny, but some of the

(40:49):
things will pop off and you just have to kind
of be okay with that. And even like and that
goes so much as like silencing the own voices in
your head as well, you know, like there's there's always
I have the little voices like oh, oh my god,
like this is so this is so cringe or this
is what we have to be like shut up, I'm
doing it. I'm doing it.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
I'm doing it.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
And I think you know, whether again, whether those people
are in your are are real and saying that to
your face so you think they're saying that, or there's
there's an actual voice in your head, like you just
have to kind of be able to put it aside
if if you want to use social media in that way,
and sometimes I think it can be tricky to go
from not using it that way to jumping in and
using it and then being like, oh my god, what

(41:28):
are people going to think? And it's like fuck them,
like they think and think whatever they want to think.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
But you're you have to be willing to be uncomfortable
and put yourself out there if you if you ever
want to, you know, use it in any any way
to make an impact of any kind alone.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Omar talks a lot about this type of stuff. She
you know, obviously the olympian from tm USA rugby. Uh,
all of her colleagues in sport, especially women, come to
her and say, how can I build a following like
you've built and not be She's become a huge Superstars
Dancing with the Stars, She's got every brand deal under
the sun, the Sports Illustrated and the first thing she says.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Is just post it, post it, put your phone down.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Who cares? It's it's so low stakes, it doesn't matter.
And I need to live this. I constantly need to
remind myself because I work myself up into a frenzy
about what all the different factions of people in my
life are going to think? What are my parents going
to think? What are my bosses at Golf Channel going
to think? What are my friends going to think? What

(42:29):
is my podcast co host going to think? Because she's
super judgy, def kidding now? And then it stops me
from pressing post Like my drafts in my TikTok and
Instagram is they're so deep and I just I sometimes
I just can't break myself out of it because I've
worked myself into this.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Cage of psycho.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
But I need more like Alona and just and Hallie
and just post it.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
Yeah, just do it.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
I mean yeah, I mean, listen you.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
I was talking earlier somebody about this, and they were
talking about, like, you know, women in the golf space,
like how do you decide like how you want to
use social media? And you know there are some people
that maybe you because are a little bit more provocative
and you get attention that way. And I was like, ultimately,

(43:19):
it just comes down to like what you're like, what
you what you're I guess what you want it to
be for, right, Like, if you're trying to build a
huge following and that is your ultimate goal, then by
all means like post the bikini golf swing videos if
that's you.

Speaker 6 (43:35):
Yeah, like you gotta be authentic to you, Like we
had page on didn't waste. She was fascinating to talk to.
She's like, this is me, Like I dress like this.
Normally people think I do it for the gram. This
legitimate has been me for years, and so I'm just
like showing my brand off because this is actually who
I am and it's authentically me. And I'm like, go,
that is exactly what people want because she's authentic. She

(43:56):
has a massive following.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
People can sniff it offenedicity very quickly.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
Yeah, no, for sure. So I think, yeah, I think
that's what it. You know, what it comes down to,
it's like you know you always I mean yeah, I
mean I've had people say to me like, hey, you know,
if just kind of watch it with the feminist golf
comedy stuff, like just be careful and and and listen

(44:25):
like I'm not going to do anything that's gonna you know,
there's certain certain relationships or you have to keep that
stuff in mind. But ultimately, like I also like to
think that if you are authentic and you are showing
what you believe in and what your values are, that
the right partners and people are going to gravitate towards you.
You know, like if you don't like this then or

(44:47):
if this rubs you the wrong way, then I'm probably
not the right person to be working with your brand
or your company, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
You know, and there are plenty where it would be
a better fit exactly.

Speaker 6 (44:56):
And also what you're doing, mate, you're just like you're
just highlighting what actually is happening. You're doing it in
such a funny way that I think it's like the
perfect way to do it. Like, I love, I love
just like the comic side of it, Like I think
it's hilarious because it's a gentle way of making a
very big statement. I think I think it's the perfect
way to kind of like lean into that.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Yeah, my favorite is, like I find that the when
the people, like people are upset about it in the comments,
it's generally those same people that are calling people that
are more progressive snowflakes.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
And now I'm like, look, who's a snowflake?

Speaker 4 (45:31):
Now?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Sorry, Jeff?

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Yeah, I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, Jeff.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Was this triggering to you because normally they're saying that
to me?

Speaker 5 (45:45):
Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
I just love clicking on their profiles and it's always
like God, family, sad.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Exactly, fish, don't we care of?

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Oh my god? Can you tell a story please?

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
So on our trip to Pine Valley, shout out.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Marissa marut it. Yeah. I don't know if you've ever
heard of it all, but it's a pretty.

Speaker 6 (46:16):
I think Careen mentions me because I was ready jealousitt
age and bted, so she was, and then we did
this and this and this was like that's really not
helping care everything.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
Well the fishing was not, I mean, you know, they
were like yeah, and then after we play golf, we
can go fish, and I think we're just like, all right, okay, sure,
let's go do it. I don't think either one of
us fancies ourselves fisher women, but why not went in Rome? Right?
So so we go and we're staying at the lake House,
and the nice people at the club set us up

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with our fishing rods, and I don't think we didn't
think we were going to catch anything.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Oh but we did.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
We did, We caught. We caught this a huge well
it was.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
And if you're cutting this social, put it off on
the screen.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Check this out. What price?

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Just a monster for your Instagram profile photo?

Speaker 5 (47:14):
Oh you should have done that as your profile.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
You should.

Speaker 5 (47:16):
Honestly, what do you do? Was it tiny?

Speaker 2 (47:21):
It was the smallest fish you've ever seen? Oh my god?

Speaker 5 (47:24):
Was it like a like a top it fight?

Speaker 6 (47:28):
If it did?

Speaker 4 (47:29):
It? Did it did?

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Mel It was like you off the tea, like tiny
but powerful.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
Compared to the best.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
The best was that like Hallie's really get in and
all of us are screaming, just we can't believe that
she is reeled in this pace okay, and she pulls it.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Out and she goes, what do I do?

Speaker 4 (47:48):
Now?

Speaker 2 (47:49):
We didn't know.

Speaker 6 (47:50):
This is why women are allowed of these golf clubs. Ladies,
you're not given a very good narrative here are you?
You're not helping the calls.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
There's nobody gorts at fourth thirsty.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
Oh my god, it's literally going who let this group
of ladies in here?

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Yeah, no, I actually I think they were so they
were refreshing, they loved it, and then we were abled.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
To it then that you know, that evening when we
went to the went to the bar, we were telling
everybody was really excited to hear about our Oh they.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
All wanted to hear about it. They were it was
a great talking point.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Everyone was pressed, Okay.

Speaker 6 (48:29):
Will you not allowed to go again without me? I
want to catch a big fish, slash a two incher.
I want to do this stuff. I want it on
my profile picture, future profile picture.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
It would be just from the sounds.

Speaker 5 (48:42):
Of it, you need some alpha in that group. So
I'm more than happy to take on that role. Ladies, Okay,
I got you. I would be like, calm down.

Speaker 6 (48:49):
It is literally a tadpole could never just stop screaming.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
No, you would have been screaming. You would have been like.

Speaker 6 (48:57):
In my dress, Yeah, do you wear golf skirts?

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Ever?

Speaker 5 (49:04):
No, my dick would hang out. I'm absolutely not wearing
a golf skirt.

Speaker 6 (49:14):
What it does because you can see at the bottoms
the tip of it. But no, I don't know just
the tip. No, absolutely not Like no, when like Puma
comes to me that like when I first sag with it.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
They're like, oh my god, it's gorgeous. Schools. I was like, gorgeous.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
Never gonna wear them, so don't send them to me.
Absolutely gorgeous. If I do a girls tip though, and
I somehow needs a bet, I probably would.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
I would do something like that. I like comedy like that.
That'd be good content. Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
She's getting her content thoughts going.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
We need to create.

Speaker 6 (49:50):
Oh, you can do so much fun with me, Holley,
you rae so much fun with me.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Yeah, Mel, what are your content pillars?

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Oh? Perfect, I'd love to hear this. Okay, what are
your buckets?

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Mel?

Speaker 5 (50:02):
I don't know what that means.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
I'm in the process of figuring out my buckets. It
would be so okay. So like social media managers, they're like, okay,
you you should have three to five pillars. So like Mel,
you could be like fitness, golf and then basically basically
coming up. You're not just like posting willy nilly. It

(50:25):
would be like coming up with a bit of a slutter.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
So yeah, that makes me do.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
Building out your content calendar if you will.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
It would be okay.

Speaker 6 (50:34):
I don't know if this is going to work for
me because I don't really understand, but I've been trying
to do this for years. So obviously golf, Okay, family,
that's why I'm family.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
Family. I don't know really, just okay, this is what
I want to do.

Speaker 6 (50:50):
I want to wake my life funny because like obviously
I have a toddler and shit, and like my wife
and stuff, who, like you know, five days a week
just can't stand me, and so I just annoy the
shit out.

Speaker 5 (50:59):
So I think it's funny content.

Speaker 6 (51:01):
So like things like that I think would be really funny,
like funny normal life ship.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
That could be the overall tone and you know, and
of the presentation of the content. I think, yeah, you
got to lean into your to your funny humor for sure,
but I think you could do golf, family, and then
you could have like like like wellness fitness.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Kind of stuff, you know, lesbian count Yeah, I think
that's a tone thing as well.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
I don't I don't know if that quite deserves.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
It, unless unless you're going, like you're making your page
full on lesbian content, which is a thing funny people
that make their brands on just being a lesson.

Speaker 6 (51:40):
Yeah that no, yeah, no, no, I like those three.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
I think family.

Speaker 6 (51:48):
Golf and lesbian golf lesson okay, yeah, okay, okay, yeah, cool, okay,
and then just put humor in it as a tone.
Humor is then a tone humor, lesbians.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
Just the tone of me.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Just there's a I'm thinking of a mom blogger. I'll
send it to you email. But basically she makes a
bunch of videos around her. Her pillar is definitely like
being a mom for sure, and then all of her
content is the funny things around that, like hiding in
a closet from her toddler who's trying, or in the
bathroom and she's trying to have, you know, go to

(52:23):
the bathroom and have some quiet time, or you know,
when her husband comes home from work and doesn't want
to do anything and she like makes a joke about that,
or I don't know, just you can involve humor into
your pillars.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
And what are your what are your pillars?

Speaker 2 (52:40):
I need?

Speaker 4 (52:40):
I need some more? Can I get some more beauty content?
Because you know, I literally buy everything that you ever.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
I know I need to be better about that. I
I'm literally not to toot my own horn, but I'm
like literally a beauty expert.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
I know it doesn't look like it, right.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
You really are actually, but I really say that for
from from deep rooted experience and having I've had my
makeup done thousands of times, and I've had makeup lessons
done thousands of times, and I've used so many different
Like I like all of that, and I can like
the tanning stuff and all that. Start.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
I need to be better about that.

Speaker 5 (53:19):
Yeah you do, because I actually do listen to that.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
But every time I post something like that because a lot,
like half more than half my audience now is mail,
So sometimes I'll post stuff like that and then the
male comment or will be.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Like why are you putting this on? You look better
with no makeup on, or like this isn't what I
came here for.

Speaker 6 (53:36):
Yeah, but that post that you just did though, isn't
for him, is it? It's for you women followers?

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I know, I know, but that's
probably like it happened one time and then I absorbed
that comment and then it just became like.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
I literally like bookmark your beauty posts and go back
and I'm like, what was that again?

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Like I bought that Mario.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
Cos Well, I bought that guy Georgie thing.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Okay, okay, fine, fine, I will be better about my
beauty content.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
He's commit to your beauty, pillo.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Okay, so beauty, beauty and yeah, beauty and like fashiony
things can be one of that's that's like one pillar.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
I feel like Amanda's done really nicely with her her
fashion pillar as a lady.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Yes, she's been. She's been really good about links. I
need to be better about links as well, because I
often will just post stuff and say what it is,
but then I'm not putting the link to it, and
I'm not got You.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Got to get your affiliates. Golf.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Obviously, I think that travel, but not necessarily like oh
look at me in this cool place. But how we travel,
like the travel hacks, the way that you figure out
sleep and packing and supplements and stuff on the road.
Obviously that's a big one for us. And then like
and then broadcast stuff. I guess yeah, I love those.

(54:51):
Those feel like four solid pillars to me, great pillars.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
Love those?

Speaker 5 (54:56):
So what yours?

Speaker 4 (54:58):
Ooh what are mine? That's great?

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Well, I'm trying to figure it out. I think mine are.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
I mean similar. I kind of struggle with with kire
A little bit on this one, and like, I'd want
to do more mental health stuff. But sometimes I'm like,
I don't know if people want to see that or
like hear about that.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
I love your mental height. I think you okay what
you come to with. Sorry, I wasn't like yeah, yeah,
no for sure.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
So I more I'd like to do more mental health stuff.
I'd love to have that be a pillar and for me,
fitness and wellness and stuff that's all part of that,
because I don't know, i'd be curious how you guys
feel about this. But I've found since I stopped playing golf,
said I stopped playing golf, seriously, I've really struggled with,

(55:41):
like what purpose is my fitness taking? Like what am
I doing this for? If you know, and sure to
maintain a certain aesthetic duh. Like I'm not like, yeah
that's I'm not gonna lie and say it's not that's
not part of it. But I also know that I
genuinely feel so much better, so much more awake and
sharp when I am working out consistently, and so you know,

(56:03):
for me, fitness, wellness whatever, like that could be one pillar.
I think the other pillar for me is like the
like uh, golf sketch comedy that you know, sketches, just funny,
funny golf content.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
And then the third one is probably.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
I want to do more about like building my business
and like building my businesses. And like I think I've
told Cure about this, but I don't think i've told Jumail,
So I'll I can't officially announce it, but I've got
a pretty cool thing that I'm working on that's coming
out in January, and that process has been really really fascinating,

(56:42):
and I've been filming like the behind the scenes of that,
so in January when we launch it, I can share
it all and talk about like how we came to
this point.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
We'll have you on again then so we can hear
we can.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Talk about that. Great. Great. So yeah, so i'd say
those three and then maybe also like to Cure Your's point,
like the traveling travel again travel hacks, could I'm still
I'm still working on this. I'm still working on this,
but yeah, I've got like four or five that I
think that I could commit to.

Speaker 6 (57:11):
And also, like we're constantly evolving, aren't we, So like
things change and like that's things. I think That's why
I sugle with because I'm a bit like, well, if
I've said this, this is how it should be. But
I'm quite difficult with change. I'm a virgo, so I
don't really change very much. So yeah, but I see
what you're saying. Yeah, I think your mental health stuff mate.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
I I.

Speaker 5 (57:30):
Love when you do it.

Speaker 6 (57:31):
I think that you just never know who's listening and
who you're helping. And I'm sure you're helping a lot
more people than you actually think. And it's really brave
to do because we're kind of around this world where
everything should be perfect and it's fucking far from it.
And so for you to be that vulnerable I always,
I always encourage it if you if anyone's ever comfortable
to saying it, it generally does really really help so
many people.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
You're right, You're right, Okay, well I will make that
a bucket then good. I'm glad we could work through
this together.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
While we have you, we could.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Let's look, I would love, if you're comfortable with it,
to share a little bit more on the mental health
journey and why it's important for you to make that
about that.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
Yeah, definitely. So, I mean I've always really struggled with
my mental health. I was diagnosed with like pretty severe
OCD when I was like nine or ten, so from
a very young age, and that was because you know,
my parents and therapists, et cetera. Like I would do
a lot of things outwardly, like you know when you
see those shows about people that have to like go

(58:34):
back and check their door eight times to make sure
it was locked, Like that's that is me. But as
I got older, I stopped stopped doing it like so
much outwardly because I realized the things I was doing,
like I had to touch things a certain amount of times,
I could only wear certain colors on certain days. Like
I realized what I was doing was like odd outwardly

(58:55):
and sort of and so then it sort of but
my brain still works like that. So whether it's you know,
having to have things in like you know, organize a
certain way, or having to you know, follow up with
somebody because I'm afraid that I offended them and I
need like verbal confirmation that I.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Could not offend them.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
So it's been a very interesting journey figuring out like, Okay,
this is part of me. It's and it's also double
edged sword, you know, like being super OCD like I'm
very on top of things.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Things don't fall through the cracks.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
I am constantly like I'm you know, drawing these like
intricate webs in my head of like connecting people and
this would be good and that would be good, and
so I think it makes me who I am. But
at the same time, like it can be very very distressing.
And so you know, having a therapist and learning more
about myself and building up my toolbox of how you know,

(59:47):
having things in my toolbox that when I'm when I'm
not feeling well, I can I can lean on.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
I almost feel like OCD for me is like a rash.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
It does tend to like it's like kind of subside,
but then it'll flare up at various points. And for me,
it really flares up a lot around things that I
perceived to be like very very important, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
So like when I did at the Masters.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Like yeah, like it was like off the charts, I'm
super it was super super OCD.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
That week, which, by the way, just as an acide,
that was an amazing groundbreaking show that Ian Roger did
with CBS.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
At the Master Joson was.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
So well received.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
But I can I mean having also been in a
similar ish position. I understand the uh, you know, it's
a lot, it's it's a huge deal. So that on
top of also dealing with something that has been a
challenge for your entire life, is that's that's big.

Speaker 6 (01:00:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Yeah, so no, it was good. The more you do it, though,
and the more like the only way that you can
prove to yourself that you're capable of doing something like that,
or that you are capable of managing whatever emotions or
compulsions you have is to kind of like, uh is
to do it. You know that it's like where you
see a lot of like when those people that you
see on TV that have pretty severo CD like and

(01:01:06):
they you know, they have to physically like not allow
themselves to go check that the stove's turned off or
check that the door is locked. Because the way that
what's happening in your brain is you're essentially like it's
almost like a it's just like a kind of a
bizarre analogy, but it's kind of like a woodpecker like
knocking on a tree, and you have to be strong

(01:01:27):
enough to know that it's like it's not it's not
a real concern, and so your brain is tricking yourself
into thinking like, oh, it is a real concern and
I do need to like put my attention to it.
But you have to be like strong enough to be like, no,
I don't need to go check the door. I know
that the ovens off. I was just there. I just
turned it off. And so it is kind of like
it's a constant dance. And it's funny because if when

(01:01:49):
you give in to the compulsion, it's sort of like
your anxiety subsides, but it always comes back stronger. So
it's like it's this never end, never ending pattern and
you kind of just have to like one have the
like commitment and wherewithal to ignore whatever you know, thoughts
and fears and feelings that you're feeling overwhelmed by and

(01:02:10):
that you know can be done with tools from your therapists,
with medication, just positive self talk. And so yeah, it's
been a very interesting, interesting journey up to this point.
And I'm definitely like I've done a lot of therapy
and I think I've gotten a lot better with it,
and it's something that also I think has made makes
me who I am too, So it's definitely it's definitely interesting.

(01:02:34):
But you're right now, I probably should share more about it,
because I do. Whenever I do post about it, I
almost always get a message from someone being like I
really struggle with anxiety too, or or you know, I
really have OCD. I have like pretty severe OCD, or
like my kid has OCD. That's another one. Like sometimes
I'll I'll talk to some people that that that they

(01:02:55):
themselves don't struggle with it, but they have a sibling
or a or someone that really does, and they're like,
what can I do? Like, how can I help that?
You know that this person in that scenario. So whether
you yourself are impacted by, you know, by some struggles
with mental health, if you're not, you almost certainly know

(01:03:18):
someone that is. Always know how to how to kind
of help them along as well as.

Speaker 5 (01:03:25):
Well said my very well said thanks for sharing that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
Of course, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
The word before we let you go, Hollie, there's one
thing that I want you to think about over the
next two minutes, and then we'll ask I'll send you off,
but we usually ask our.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Guests if you have a shush of the week.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
So if there's anything in life that you want to shush,
it could be food, a person, something that happened to
you on the road, like like big or small, serious
or non serious.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
So you can think about that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
But I is a shush a good thing or a
bad thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
But you're trying to shush something I want to should
like I've had I've had my shush, be like that
guy on the range.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Or I want to shush.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
You know, a weird Instagram commenter, or the fact that
this type of food makes me react.

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
Poorly, or something that she can be anything.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Anything you want.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
But I just didn't want to put you on the
spot right away. So you can think about it for
a second. But there's one thing that you said there
that you always your brain is always thinking about connecting people.
And one of the ways that I would describe you
is as a great connector. And I've told you this
many times. I've told many people this many times. But
I can link back most of my golf life existence

(01:04:38):
to Hallie because she was the first person I think
that sent me. No, I'm sure that sent me a
DM on Instagram in twenty fifteen, I.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Want to say twenty sixteen, something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
It was after I had played in my first pro
am as Miss America and Halle was friends with our
friend Megan Lamoth who started for a golf and Halle
reached out to me on Instagram and said, hey.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Just think it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
It would be cool for you could to connect you
with this women's golf brand and just would love to
get you more involved with some women's golf stuff. Blah
blah blah. So we met in La and we've been
friends ever since. But Halle then you know, and introduced
me to this person and this person and this person,
and then that took on a life of its own.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
And Hallie has done that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Over and over and over and over and over again
with so many different people in our space and probably
be on golf as well. So I think that's just
one of your great superpowers is that you're always thinking
about how can I put these people together to make
something great?

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
And that's one of the things I love about you
the most.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
Oh that's very sweet. Well, yeah, I enjoy I enjoyed
doing it, Like it's really fun to be like, oh,
so and so should talk to so and so about this,
or so and so and so and so would be
a great friends. So I appreciate it and I'm glad
that I could help it anyway. It's it's really fun
for me.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
It's fun for me too, hoping a Halle connection. Oh
all right, now, what's your social of the week?

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
Shush of the week, you guys. I so I saw
Backstreet Boys of the weekend of the sphere, which was insane.
I honestly, I want to shush alcohol, like alcohol giving
me bad.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Hangovers because I think it's insane. I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
It's not fun, it's not fair.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
It's so fun, it's so fun, and you never used.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
To get hangovers like this, and like you, I mean, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
It's like a two day thing now, so you have
it posting a lot of recovery content from Vegas.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I need like to I would
like to shush two day hangovers.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
I don't know gave permission to affect me this way,
and like at what point it hit me?

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
But I remember in college. I mean not that I
was ever like a crazy, crazy drinker, but I definitely
probably drank the mouth that I drank over the weekend.
And I don't I need to pop up the next
day like whoo, just no problem. And now it's like
I need the sauna, I need the IVS, I need
green Jose Juices like, and it's just like, is it you?

(01:07:18):
I just really have to pick my spots now. If
I'm going to have a big night, that one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
As far as big nights out go, that that's probably
the best. But yes, it's at a price, Yes, very much,
at a price, very much.

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
Try being hungover a fucking child. I've done it. I've
been horrific.

Speaker 6 (01:07:34):
Well I'm not horrifically but like pretty badly hungover with
Kai A couple of times. I almost fainted on changing
this bomb. I had to call Carlien. I was like, Collie,
I'm literally about to face down on our son like
he in his cooth.

Speaker 5 (01:07:49):
Because it was so bad. I just couldn't deal with it. Yeah,
try try that.

Speaker 6 (01:07:54):
It's one of the most awful things I've ever experienced.
And she stops me drinking, so it's probably a good thing.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
Yeah, I know, I definitely I think going back to
like picking your spots, I'm definitely like, I don't know,
even like one, I'm just like the next day, I'm like,
I mean our or ring is like, yeah, no, should
have done that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Your heart rate is elevated today, Yes, yeah, shut up.

Speaker 5 (01:08:16):
It's so fun. It's so fun.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
I know it's fun. It is a good time. But yeah,
so I've been I think the two day hangovers. I'm
shushing because I'm just like, what is happening? This is
not cool?

Speaker 6 (01:08:27):
Yeah, Kira, do you have a shush the week?

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Yes, my shush.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
I'm currently in Lake Tahoe, and I consider myself to
be a generally healthy person. I have not ever huffed
and puffed more than I have over the last week.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
The altitude.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
I am going to shush because I'm really strugg struggling. Yesterday, Yeah,
I said a voice yesterday.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
It's like, what is she doing? This is real? It's fine.
I was like, Okay, thank god, I.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Know the altitude and the altitude training that I'm doing
that you know what, maybe at the end of the week,
I'll just be such an athlete that I've been here
this whole time, going on three mile hikes, cetera. Very
gradual in that's my shirts.

Speaker 5 (01:09:21):
Very good. So my shush of the week.

Speaker 6 (01:09:24):
Because we travel so much, I'm sure you will agree
with me. When you get off the plane you go
to baggage claim. Can people stop going so bloody close
to the baggage claim so that none of us can
get our suitcases off.

Speaker 5 (01:09:34):
It is so annoying.

Speaker 6 (01:09:35):
Your suitcase will come out whether you're five feet from
it or five inches. Probably stand five feet away so
everybody else can get their luggage.

Speaker 5 (01:09:42):
It drives me insane.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
That's a really good point. They should put some sort
of line around us when we cross this line. When
you see your you.

Speaker 6 (01:09:51):
Don't need to stand literally hovering and touching it for
your bag to come.

Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
So that's my shush of the week.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
I saw something funny today that was said, like you
know when T. S. A Is saying take out everything
from your pockets and make sure you have your your
your bat, your laptop and the thing, and they're explaining
what you should do before you go through security. And
then what the person is hearing is the Charlie Brown teacher.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Actually paying attention, and they're like, I have to take
my belt off?

Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
What? Oh, it's so funny.

Speaker 6 (01:10:24):
Our traveler is that travel all time is quite annoying
and I feel bad, but people check.

Speaker 5 (01:10:32):
I don't do PreCheck, can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Oh yeah, that's right, because she it's Hallie. You can't
make a face like that because you didn't have pre
check forever.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Now I do, and so now I can make a
face has.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
An excuse because she uh, I'm British, She's British and whatnot.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
Something about it. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:10:50):
Someone told me you can't get PreCheck, so I've just
never gone into it to.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Be the same.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
And like me getting my amateur statist back, it's gonna
take you two seconds.

Speaker 5 (01:11:00):
She's not really that harmful. Ye let her in Hallie.
Thank you so much, mate.

Speaker 6 (01:11:05):
You are an absolute treat to always be around and
keep doing you girl, because I absolutely love the shit
that you put out and I think that it really
is moving the needle. Nobody's doing what you're doing so
in the women's game and doing it in such a
really cool way and funny way. And I do generally
think you really funny. So please keeping you and we've
loved having you on Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Thanks a true original and we're so grateful to have
you on Quiet.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
Please, love you both. Thanks for having Yeah, Bye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Thanks for listening to Quiet.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
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Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Our supervising producer is Grace Hughes.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Our producer is Jonathan Kermer.

Speaker 6 (01:11:55):
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