Rap Radar: Brent Faiyaz

Brent Faiyaz's head is in the clouds. Months after releasing his pandemic inspired album, Wasteland, the Maryland crooner is surveying the landscape from a chartered helicopter. But before taking off, Brent chops it up with B.Dot and Elliott about his latest project, Diddy, independence, and more!  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're wrappering up podcast, Ellie Wilson. Be that what's up? Baby?
A thing good? I gotta first of all before we
can get to the rapper of podcast, which we know
is the most important podcast in the world. Man, I
want to salute you man. You're doing you think of
that Complex man, Complex brackets man, talk to the people, baby, Yeah,
Complex Brackets. Every Wednesday, twelve pm Eastern. We just knocked

(00:21):
one out with Joe Button. This week. We have a
new episode called Cherry and we picked up Blog Mixtape
Blog Ever Mixtape. So that was really fun to be
back to O'll go old rap right all days now.
But you got Joe Button back in the building? Man,
what how did you pull that off? Ben? I don't know.
I just asked to come on the shoulder. He was like, okay,

(00:43):
they wanted video of him coming in the building. It
was yeah, I saw that. I don't that's that's extra.
But uh, you know, it was cool to have Joe
Button back in the hot seat, you know what I mean.
I never thought it would have happened, but you know,
sometimes all you have to do is ask. Closed mouths
don't get fed. So b I cr Boy, one of
our classic Rap Rtorum podcast episodes came up Drake obviously,

(01:04):
which was the game changer. Yeah, that team. You know,
Drake dennounced he's doing his show in New York. I
guess the Apollo Theater, so you know, I feel it's
very hip hop and all that. And you asked him
the classic question man about would you ever do a
B side show? Yeah, I think it's time for Brake
or do a B side show. I feel like the
Sage jay Z, who I guess you could say, pioneered

(01:25):
the B side show. I feel like Drake's the only
artist were rap artist that could kind of uh following
that footstep. He has so many records, like you don't
know which way to go, and like when he does
he shows, even though he's on stage for almost like
two hours, you still looking for other records that you know,
you haven't heard in a long time. Yeah, so people
that don't know when we say B sides, it's just

(01:46):
like the non singles, just the records, like the songs
that kind of taken on the life of their own,
not necessarily the singles, but something like Cameras Off Take Care. Yeah,
come if he comes out the Tuscan Leavel like imagine,
it just comes out, just gets in the Tuscan Leather
from Nothing was the same album, which to entry everybody loves.
But do you think that I saw people speculate We

(02:07):
have no insight, right, we don't know what this guy
is doing really at the follow but it looks like
we might be planning to see to But I think
even complex marn with it that they ran the clip
about the B side sort of handing at maybe that's
what he's up to with this sort of small intimate show. Yeah,
I mean, we don't know, and honestly I don't want
to know. I'd rather just you don't want to know. No,
Like you know what, there's not too much things, too

(02:29):
many things to be excited about nowadays in the game,
and I feel like I just want to be a
fan again and just enjoy it in real time in
the moment. So you know, if Drake does do a
B side show, I don't want to know what the
setler's looks like. I just want to experience it, you know,
as a fan. What if this is coming? Because again
I think that people may not know they they may know,

(02:50):
may not know that me and you guys want mean,
we both agree that we weren't the biggest fans of
the biggest of the latest project correct the Dance album.
It was honestly never mind. You know, it's crazy, like
I was starting to make my beat that list of
looking at the year and like like, this is the
first time I don't think I'm gonna have a Drake
album in my top ten. That's crazy. But but I
also still feel like he's still number one in the

(03:11):
game though it's so weird to me. Yeah, I don't
think he lost his status in my in my in
my book, but that album I can't really rock with
for some reason, I just don't go back to it. Yeah,
I can't get jiggy with that album as well. But
it's ill. Is like Drake's celebrity is so high, it's
like it's the highest it's ever been. But musically with
that album, I can't really rock with it as well.

(03:32):
But he's still capable of delivering you know, a thirty
point verse, you know with like yeah church Churchill's downs,
like he's still capable of, you know, doing what he
does best. So so speaking about like how he gets
the capable of just dropping some hip hop stuff, like
I've seen some speculation like like a scary hour is
like this, even if he only gives us three songs,

(03:53):
like three very much hip hop rap songs, so he
could do it at the apology. You think he might
pull that off? I think so. I mean, Drake has
he's kind of unpredictable, but he's calculated as well, So
I think I wouldn't be mad at like a little
three track EP something like that, you know, five track
just to hold us over. And you know what's so ill?
Is like like he could drop it the day before

(04:15):
and the day after day of the show. Everyone's gonna
know it. Yeah, so you're definitely going on the show,
and I'm gonna have to fly back. We're gonna see
him speaking in because you can't buy tickets, right, so
I'm not to talk to a guy maybe one of
the over your guys, because sneaking through the back door
would be are you speaking like that Spright show he
had back in the day with Yeah, Actually I ended

(04:41):
up in the commercial. Yeah what was that for Spright?
Yeah it was a Spright commercial. I had no idea
that was happening, and um, it was me Drake and
Drake security and We're just walking, and I like, you know,
I just thought they were filming like a vlog or
something fast forward the super Bowl. We're watching it. I'm like, wait,
is that so be? That? Man? Love? And then you

(05:06):
one last thing on the personal note, you settled the debate,
like you being you always argue about what the biggest
rap rate up podcast is. I think it's I think
it's Drake had beat jay Z. But then I put
the poll up to the people. I said, it is
the Drake one bigger than jay Z. Like, what's the
biggest rap rate up podcast in the illustrious rap rate
up podcast history? And the people are telling me that
guys Sean jay Z Carter still got it. I think

(05:27):
it's still jay z. Um. It depends on the day, right,
Like a lot of people swear by the Nipsey the
first one Um, A lot of people, like you said,
love the Drake, But I think the jay z ones
had the longest shelf life as far as are reusable content,
Like at least once a week someone's reposting a clip
or you know, attribute it to their h inspirational Instagram

(05:51):
handle page like that love inspiration. Don't think they help
you for the inspiration they do. Man, it kills me
boop like the hell out of Jay Easy. So I
think jay Z wins. Alright, alright he was. He was like,
I can't stop him. And do you feel the pressure? Man?
People feel like you're supposed to deliver the big interviews. Man,
I'm started to feel the pressure. Man. We get gave
him that Jimmie Foxx moment. They want Kendrick, They wanted

(06:12):
big stars, Like is that big star? You think we
could get some? We talk about that. I mean we
were always gonna get everyone just start on their own
right in cluling today's guests. You know, he's a good point.
Be that brand fires. Man. Yo, let me tell you something, man,
I thought for sure that I was dealing with his
manager tied from like way before we even came back,

(06:34):
right like, he had this idea. He said, look, Brent
wants to do the interview with Rap right on when
you guys come back. He's like, Yo, have you ever
seen the Jay Z Rap City Joe Claire helicopter. And
I'm like, oh no, like no, I've never seen that.
I've never seen it. And he was just on it
like and I thought I would change his mind. Through
the you know, maybe convinced to some of us, but

(06:54):
we had to go gett a damn helicopter, right Jesus,
a fucking helicopter, man, the first time, all of our
first times there, you know, and it was just definitely
an experience, you know, something that I'm never gonna forget.
It's funny. Yeah, they give us a great interview and
not okay, we got the great interview already. Is he
gonna make us really getting this damn helicopter? And we did? Man,
you know, they thankfully get Lord hyper House. I don't know,

(07:17):
I don't know how this OLDI was gonna sound, but uh,
you know, he did God's work right there. So but
now what's fun though? I like him, I love his team.
You know, he dropped a great project this year. It
just does in his own way right looking like there's
no you know a lot of times we see what
we're doing that we're not part of anybody's really like
press running per se like you know, and I few
people on our own terms when it's time, and you know,
I think if you're a fan of brand, like you know,

(07:37):
we always try to strive to get to deliver the
definitive conversation with that person, right, I feel like this
one's up there. Yeah. Absolutely, you know what I'm saying.
He answered all the questions about waste Land. Um, you know,
talked about uh what puffs uh Puff's current campaign about
R and BB dad and yeah, yeah, Puff had said
that right there. At the time, I was like, oh,

(07:58):
this is perfect us rights R and be dead. I
don't think I just dropped this heat. Just dropped this heat, yeah, man.
And you know, Brent has taken some time off like
we all did during the pandemp to kind of like
regroup and find himselves. So I think it really translates
into this new project and in the conversation as well.
Let's get into it, man, podcast Ain't dead. R and
B is not Dead. Sprap Rate Up podcasts, bread Fires,

(08:20):
Let's go come fly with me? Yeah, Rap Rate Up podcast?
Elliott Wilson Speed. What's yo? Man? We had dinner with
this guy, now, the guy R and B guy. We
were family at this point. What's brother doing? Great? You're
feeling feeling great? Man? Great? Brother. You've got to be

(08:40):
excited about this to be act in the waste Land, right,
I'm ecstatic. Yeah, I feel like a dream. I'll just
be waking up, just flying. Yeah. So before the album drive,
you know, you put up these billboys and you said
you'd like to apologize at advance for the person I'm
becoming once this album drops. Now it's out. Who do
you think you've become? Um, I'm just elevating, you know
what I mean. Still cool and still doing the same thing,

(09:01):
but just busier, more focused. Um, it's ready to do
more things, right, I would say, what are some of
those things um to? Yeah, I'm excited to go on
the road. It's it's been a minute, so that, um
write more music, collap more, um yeah, just and just

(09:21):
different things, like just take up different hobbies or something.
I don't know, I'll figure it out. But I feel
like I feel like at this point like the world
is my ways ship, you know what I mean. Like
just I'm just excited. I feel like it's just been
a lot of access since everything dropped. Like it's fun. Yeah,
you open your world up, like with collaborations, like getting
someone like Tyler like talk to talk about that song Gravity.

(09:43):
How did that really because that was kind of first
song off the right. Yeah, me and me and Sally
we had got a couple of records together because we
was just in the studio lock and then just cooking up.
So when me and Dad he made the bet for Gravity,
we did these sessions with do This, and they like
put us in the studio. We worked on the record
and from there I heard Tyler on it. I guess
it's because I heard him Steve Lacey Cord, so automatically

(10:04):
I'm thinking, like, man, Tyler was sound good on this.
So man, we got in the studio. He did that.
Cool dude. Then You're on Sweet, a Grammy winning album
featured on Speed. How did that come together? To me?
Put up on him? He was in West Hollywood and
he had this idea he wanted me on and he
had like the idea how he wanted me to sing it.
So he wrote the part. You know, I just went
and cut it. Yeah. Is he as much of a

(10:26):
perfectionist as people say is? Oh? Yeah, he's But we
both perfectionist in the same way, so so we we
we we might be in there all day just cutting
one little part, you know what I mean. But we
got a lot of joints together, so I'm excited for
him to come out too. How many joints would you
say you guys have about I say, like a good file. Okay,
that's a nice little ep right there. Ye bird, I

(10:48):
read that you describe waste land as his post pandemic
Clusterfuck you think like that? For lack of a better words,
do you think the conditions have improved or will ever improve? Um?
I've seen improving. I'm seeing the world, you know, open
back up and and people being more optimistic about where
everything is going. But ultimately we're still We're still kind

(11:09):
of healing from that. Um. But I'm saying everything is
back open for the most part. But you've got monkey
pots all type of the ship, Like the moment is
one thing is better, it's like a whole nether thing.
It's just going on. But the craziest of like you know,
you said, the world came out and then the world changed, right,
and it's like you really were a great success story
in this pandemic, in this in the toughest part the wall,

(11:31):
seeing you leveled up career wise, Like, talk about that,
and how did that make you feel, like going through
all this real life stuff at the same time your
career is really picking up. I mean, it felt amazing,
you know, just to celebrate a win. But at the
same time I was also, you know, feeling pretty guilty
about it. I feel like I couldn't really enjoy it.
I couldn't really um, I couldn't really share that, you
know what I mean. So it's almost like when you've

(11:52):
got people calling to you and some of you as
people dying and I didn't lost my job, And what
do you say on the phone to that how you
been uh amazing, you know what I'm saying, Like how
he just made und streaming or something like that, Like,
you know, so you gotta be like, man, I'm hanging
in there. You feel me just like everybody else, because
you guys said like I saw an ene view I
think was when the desk of you guys said that
he was living the life of like going to like

(12:13):
a George Floyd uh protests, getting getting tasted. That I
mean the tear gas, tear gas, getting tear gas, going
to strip club that night and in the studio like this,
those highs and lows, the craziness of life. But that's
Atlantic period of Atlanta. Just don't make no namsense. I
think that's part of why I love it so much.
It doesn't make any sense. Atlanta was like nuts during
that time. And it was in eight tiar gases when

(12:34):
we was out for at the hotel, but we weren't
even really doing ship. We have been protesting all day
on big bullshit me. But this is when we got
back to those kids and ship outside brother just two
gays like it ain't nothing. I was like, damn, it's
children right here, like like what the hell? Like type
of top on that ship was nuts though nothing nothing
really felt real at that time. And I think that's
why I like creatively, um it kind of it kind

(12:57):
of inspired me to create, like created during that time,
right that the world dropped during the pandemic and you
know you couldn't do no shows. But I read that
you went on a personal tour, right you were going
from like I was everywhere. I was everywhere man, I
was in I was in Atlanta and New York, Miami.
I was just kind of moving around, stated a lot

(13:17):
of women's cribs and things like that. I did for real,
right and even during that time, like you know, coming
with during your travels, like a song like uh like
the title track the World, you know what I'm saying,
Like was that from personal experiences. Yeah, but even prior
to the pandemic, traveling was always like one of my

(13:40):
favorite things to do. So I used to spend like
summers in London and go to Paris, so like just anyway,
um so for me, like I just didn't want the
pandemic to slow down nothing. And then plus I was
like I had I had like roommates, and you know
when you're staying with like roommates, like you don't want
to I were staying at the side of house, we
staying with roommate just like like you don't really just

(14:01):
want to just live with my Like if you got roommates,
that ship is cool. But when the pandemic happens, it's
like yo, like I see yall niggas all day every day,
you know what I'm saying. So that's when I went
back to my parents career for a little bit, like
during the pandemic and all that ship recollected. Then even
at that point, it's like, as a grown ass man,
I've seen yall all day every day. So I feel
like I had no choice, but it got THEMN just

(14:22):
hop on a plane and go somewhere. What's your what's
your download city? Like London or something like that. A
low key ship. I don't want to get too much
away with seattle seats like the Honeycomb hide out. I
ain't gonna hold you was colding. It's good weed out there.
It's rainy, so it's like moody and ship, you know,
I mean, good coffee spots and all type of stuff.
It's like it's got like a real romantic energy to it.

(14:46):
Wastlin kind of has the energy to you know. The
album plays out like a movie. You know. The skits
on the album really helped tell the story of this
character Christ and it struggles from the monogamy and devices
of life. Like how did you come up with that concept? Um? Really,
just you know, experience, I guess just moving around, having
a lot of different conversations, dating a lot, just being out,

(15:07):
you know what I mean. I guess just being outside.
Just experience. I think I just kinda pulled from things
that I go through. Yeah, but I mean that's just
the you know, the writing in the songs. But like
the and I'm I'm gonna make this disclaiming right now,
because motherfucker's begetting all confused. The skits are fictional. That's fictional.
Not that's not real. That's no, that's not based off

(15:28):
no real life experience. That was a script and we
wrote it and we acted out. But yeah, but the music, yeah,
that's that all cared from real life experience. That's how
something you said that you try to even like it
Shakespearean like the storytelling if you're the sequencing of the
album you talking about that, Yeah, it's it's it's It's
one thing to have a um, a way that you
write your music or perspective where it comes from. But

(15:50):
I feel like having a story arc is another element
to kind of elevated all together. Um. So, really the
Skits was more to give it context. I wanted it
to have that that classic protagonists with the fatal flaw,
with the moments of clarity and the time where he
comes to realization and uh ends triumphantly. You know. I
wanted some way to turn it into this this this storyline,

(16:12):
this narrative versus it just me and a playlist. Did
you have this idea of putting the skits in there too,
because it really contextualized the art. Yeah. I always love
skits though, like I grew up like listening to the
dog powner Ship. So I just I like the um
the classic hip hop elements of just skits like these
nuts and all that I love. Yeah, And I read

(16:32):
also that you made this album and a lot of
different cities, similar to like how he was doing the Pandemic.
Which city I guess you found the most creativity from?
Was it Seattle or naturally? L A? Just because this
is where I've recorded so much music at for so long.
So most of my sessions are always in l A
because it's my whole support system is it's easy to
get in the studio, my engineer, live out here and
produce a live out here smooth but lately like New York.

(16:55):
New York gave me a lot of inspiration and gave
me a lot of inspiration. The Bahamas gave me a
lot of inspiration. I had locked him with the dream
out there. Um, I had locked him with the Neptunes
when I was in Miami. So just like I said,
every place really right, Yeah, that that neptune is Drake Beat.
I said, that's a classic. I think it's a classic
record appreciation. It's a classic. It's like the shortest five

(17:16):
minute song of all time. Yeah, and it has heavy
replay value, like talk about that session and how that
came about. It was really smooth. We did the other
Tone interview. I was in Atlanta. We did that during
COVID the Zoom interview. He Hi was just like coming
come to Miami, let's work on some ship. So it
was smooth. I gotta went him and Chad and knocked
it out like real Netah and knocked it out like

(17:39):
in the day, you know what I mean. And then um,
I sent it to Drake because we was going back
and forth about doing records anyway we have. We got
like a couple of ideas that just never dropped. Just
stuff were just sent back and forth. Um, so he
cut that ship like two days. Man responsible for putting
Drake on the Neptune's beat man for the first time. Yeah,
but I didn't even know that that hadn't happened. I
was just thinking, like I was already talking about about

(18:00):
to collapse. I got a song that I think he's
so hard. I don't even know that that hadn't happened before.
So I think that's pretty cool. That's insane. And they
both got so many hit records and don't have no
music together. Like I was like, man, that's hard. But
like being that record came out a year ago and
you're an independent artist and you feel pressure to put
out an album because the record had so much success.
I don't never feel no pressure to put out nothing.
To be real with you at all, just like if

(18:22):
if if I want to put something, I put out.
If I don't, I don't UM. I do feel pressure
to challenge myself creatively more something anything like just to
to make something I haven't made, or two to um
speak about something I haven't spoken about, but to just
put out music now. I don't really think think of
it like that because you know, usually you know how
it is ELI and artist has a hit, it's like
a pressure to come out with something else to follow

(18:42):
up with it. I don't. I don't really think like that.
If it's a hit, then like let it keep hitting,
Like I'll do a two part song next. Keep it.
You mentioned the dream. You give him a good nickname,
you call him the finisher. Why he's the finisher man? Look,
because I'll be stuck, bro. I would work on the record.
I got really bad Eddie D. So I'll work on
the record for a certain amount of time. I could

(19:03):
be in the studio for what an hour or two
hours something like that, and I'd be like, put up
the next one, put up the next song, because I
don't want to. I don't want to ruin the idea,
but by trying to finish it too quick, so it
might start off super strong, and then by the end
of the session, when I'm all burnt out, it ends
up being some bullshit. So you know, I feel like
I get my freshest ideas when I bring in a
fresh out of ears and I might come through it.
Finished that ship with a quickness. It makes me feel

(19:25):
like I might even gonna hold you. The first time
that should happened, I was like, damn, I need to
go back to the drawing board. I was like maybe
twenty when I first met Dream and we locked in
the studio, so it's it's been years. I was working
with Bro and like he put up to the studio,
Bro some ship that I have been stuck on working on,
and he come to the studio and he finished that
motherfucking like thirty seconds type ship, Like going and do

(19:46):
put up the next one? Put the next one, put
the next one. I'm like, they're good making me look
crazy out here because you're a great rid of yourself, Like,
does it put you a lot of a lot of
people don't know that the world was in fl once
about the sessions that I had been doing with him,
because I I had we had been working together before
that project even came out. So he was the one

(20:06):
that really showed me like, when you get on the record,
you could just say whatever the funk you want, so
fun the world wouldn't happened had I not been working
with Dream prior to that. So that's like where a
lot of the shift happened in my music and where
where I write music from. So there's like no ego.
You let him do his thing, even though if it's
your own creation. Yeah, hell yeah. But that showed me
I don't gotta think too much. I came into the
music thinking that I was trying to find some hit

(20:28):
formula or find some way of doing it. Um, that's
what everybody teaches. You gotta find some forming that, you
gotta find some way record, you gotta have some structure,
you gotta So it took me getting into the studio
with somebody who got hit records that you know, has
that massive catalog to tell me you're thinking to that much.
You know how many songs on the new album, it's
like four or five songs. I think he can five

(20:49):
of them, like four or five. Was that a key
moment where on the album that his contribution helped bring
a song along? It sticks out in your mind? Uh,
rolling Stone, bad Luck? Um, it's quite a few, yeah,
ghetto Gas. Yeah. You also give a lot of props
to another producer, Jordan where al read that you said

(21:12):
he's responsible for constructing the sounds. That's that's my brother man.
I've known Jordan's for years, like since I was nineteen eighteen,
Like I'm knowing Jordan's. We got music together, like hell
of stuff didn't come out, but during the pandemic, like
we were sending ideas back and forth because I was
in the studio and something about them strings was just
pulling me. Bro I'm like, this is moving me. What

(21:33):
is it about these strings? It's just like I don't know,
It's just it's bringing the lyrics out. Because like people
could send ideas do like all day every day, like
whether it be guitar loops or or or or piano loops.
Because I like to work very minimalistic. I don't like
to record on full beats, like just sending me a
loop and I'll write the whole song and we can
produce it out afterwards. And um, he would send me

(21:53):
these string loops and for whatever it was, it was
like that's how I was feeling at his own, So
I just it was the only thing that made me
like right, I had real bad writers block for a
little bit, and he was sending them strings and it's
like the words would just come out. So like we
and we locked in and got damn everything done the
whole album pretty much. How long did it take to
construct this album? M I said, like a good two years?

(22:15):
Two years? Wow, good to years if we're including the
records and they drop prior to them and working on
those records as well, like a good two years I
have recorded. There are songs that I recorded before the
records released that you know what I'm saying, that I
had already had set aside for the album. Ghetto Gas
and Loose Change. These records were recorded before gravity and
wasting time and all that, but the other ones just

(22:37):
came out first. I just put them to the side. Okay,
Now you begin the album with Georgia Smith on Villain's team, Like,
why do you think she was the right voice for
that song? That's the home? I don't George forever um,
but these just conversations we have a lot, you know.
I mean I was curious if it like she serves
as your conscious before the album begins. Yeah, it's the
it's the it's the back and forth, right the That's

(22:57):
why I got to pitch down vocals, pitched up vocals,
the just that that back and forth. I kind of
approached it with how things sound in my head sometimes
when you're having multiple conversations or it's multiple people speaking
to you, it's multiple like voices or ideas to the
point where like it just comes out like so, I
feel like that was my perfect way of I guess

(23:19):
trying to sonically um display like how shit sounded my mom.
In the conversation, you discussed the word toxic and you're
saying that's just a Twitter word. Do you feel like
everything is just categorized as toxic nowadays? But I'll be
so tired of hearing that don't work talking about something else.
I'm toxic now. I ain't gonna hold you. I'm toxic out,

(23:40):
Like do you hate when people label your music. That
does it offend you? Um? No, I mean it used to.
Like when I first heard that ship, I was just
kind of like what because that was never that was
never the intention. Imagine You're just writing records that come
from your heart, and motherfucker's deemed you with like toxic
or something like that. You're like, damn that that hurts
a little bit, Like what the funk? I was just
keeping it real like, but now I don't really take
it like that In your mind? Is really more about honesty,

(24:02):
right is that? Is that like your strongest trade? And
you absolutely, I just I just want to write from
a real place. I don't want to sugarcoat nothing nor
lie just because I'm singing it. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
I feel like it ain't I don't want to. I've
done that, you know what I'm saying about this, this
and um the last thing I want. And I thought
about this early on when I did a lot of
touring and started meeting fans for the first time. Um,

(24:22):
you write records with a certain formula in mind, on
a certain perspective, because that's all you know in the beginning, right,
So if you learn like you you sing, this is
R and B music. You make love records, you do
verse hook, verse, hook bridge, you feel me hook, and
then you finish the record, and then that's what you're going.
You know what I'm saying. You go, boys to man,
you go, and that's just what it is. But I

(24:42):
grew up like listening to rap music, So because I
grew up listening to hip hop, I love the way
R and B sounded sonically, but when it came to perspective,
I didn't listen to it for like like like two
for relatability, you know what I'm saying. I didn't listen
to R and B music for like perspective or relatability
or some way of living my life too. I listened
to rap for that ship. So I felt like, to me,

(25:04):
that's what R and B was missing, was just perspective.
I don't like just listening to records that sounds good
where it's just words. I like to be able to
people whole narrative and find some some opinions about it
or something just something. There's got to be some dialogue
that's had, so um, I think that's what That's what
I've kind of like just honed in on is just

(25:24):
making sure that the music has perspective versus it just
being some ship that you sing just because you're saying
people want you to sing sweet nothing, you know what
I mean? Literally like just sing some sweet ship into
my ear and that's all I want to hear. But
I feel like some ship gotta have some perspective, and
I think that's what separates my music. It's funny because
today Puffy tweet out something like who killed R and B?
And it's always seems like a conversation around, you know,

(25:45):
challenging the state of R and B, Like is is
what you know going on now? Meet the standards of
the past, of the nineties and the two thousands and
stuff like, I mean, people are so stuck in that
classic you know, uh R and B, R and B MO,
R and B trump that it's like, um, there's people
that wouldn't classify me as R and B honist. There's
people that's like that ain't R and B. That ain't
what I know. And if that's the case, and I
guess not. You know what I'm saying, I personally don't

(26:07):
live and die by no damn genre. You know what
I'm saying. I don't like I don't think like this
is what this is. Like, I really don't care if
you think it's R and B music cool, if you
don't think it's RB music cool, Like I don't give
a ship like that. I'll just be making music. Um,
people love it, you know the ship honest, I don't
know what to tell you what the songbo Do you
think that sometimes people because there is a lot of
you know, just some a lot of stuff that may
not be have a lot of substance to it, that

(26:29):
some of the stuff with substance, like yourself, gets overlooked
because we look at this newer generation that it's not
the same as the past. Um. Hell yeah. But that's
with any genre. That's just music period. That's that's evolution.
Right since the beginning of time. There's people that have
been used to music that's been a certain way. Then
some new ship come out. Then the older motherfucker's hated,
the young motherfucker's love it, and just go on and

(26:50):
on like it kind of pitches me off. The motherfucker's
are still doing this ship, Like we all know what's
gonna happen. This new ship that everybody hate right now,
it's gonna take over the world. Then everybody's gonna get
super attached to it, and it's the whole other ship
gonna come out. It's gonna take over the world. But
the last thing I'm gonna do is be the old
mother fucker that's gonna look at some you niggers and
be like, man, this ship garbage. You know what I'm saying.
So I don't know. I find that like, uh uh,

(27:12):
I think my fucker's gonna just have more foresight, you know.
I mean, I think just keep your ears open, keep
your eyes open, just like look for some new ship.
I'm always looking for some new ship. I was gonna
say that there are other other peers that you feel
like maybe those type of people are overlooking and may
not recognizing the levels of town like someone like yourself
or the other artists that come to mind that UM
in different in different spaces because I'm like, I'm not

(27:33):
like a super r and b hait Um. I gotta
make arms Its ironic, I make army music. But I
mostly listened to like wrapping ship like that, UM and
I guess that's that's what that's what my ships sounds
like you do. I probably should listen to more R
and B music, hip hop influences. Um I was listening
to everybody a lot of pop Um snow I like

(27:56):
G Funk, a lot so like Snoop, Dass, Drain Ship.
Um I like, um, I was a super hip hop
when I was a kid, I were on a lot
of Tribe, a lot of um Lauren Hill. Um. Just
I was a super hip hop like I was a
backpack like all of that ship. But I love hip

(28:18):
hop like I love rap music that was like what
I grew up on type ship. Are the artists today
that you that you checked for um current Landscape? Yeah,
my home team Brotray Money, Yeah, all day, every day,
like one of the best riders I've ever worked in
my life. JUNI home team Background the Way. And it's
a lot of artis from different spots. Tony Snowy from Atlanta,

(28:39):
um I like Lucky from Chicago. Like, uh, A lot
of rappers. Man, Have you got into connected link with
some of your hip hop heros that you grew up
listening to at this point? Yeah, I just I don't
even remember, but I swear I met everybody where I
met everybody. But you don't really do a lot of it,
like you sneak a little bars in there, but you

(29:01):
don't really do like the full scale rapping and stuff
like that. You feel like that's not really as much
as I enjoy it. I know, you know, my my, my,
my name and my my limitations. I ain't about to
start rapping. But I like it though, right. I know
someone else you really likes, Alicia Keys. I read that
you grew up listening to her and you have a
ghetto gaspy and you said you wanted her to sound

(29:22):
like you don't know my name? Was that the tone
that you wanted? Yeah? Why did you want that kind
of tone for that? Um? I just always thought it
was It was smooth, you know what I mean? It
was cool. She got a cool tone like her speaking boys.
I just wanted to put it on the record. I'm like, man,
you needed you wrapping something? Yeah? And she wrote that
all herself? Or was that I wrote it? I wrote it? Okay,

(29:42):
I wrote it. I played it for I was like, um,
I had cut the reference, so I had recorded all
it like when me rapping on it, and then I
was like, let me know if you want to wrap this,
and she was just like, yeah, let's do it. Okay,
what is ghetto gaspy? Like, do you feel like your
life parallels the movie Great Gatsby? Absolutely? Man, I've put
a lot from that fam. I watched it so many times.
Um old sport for REALM. I like the I like

(30:08):
the fact that he that he um that he kind
of wasn't supposed to be there, you know what I'm saying,
Like he kind of moves in these spaces that he
wasn't supposed to be in, but it's like would own
the space? You feel me like? I like that was
hard to me, and it was really and it was
I thought the funt Department. That was hilarious to me
was the fact that it was offer some long lost
love and ship like that. I thought that was funny

(30:28):
as hell. Maybe you guys was not funny, but I
thought that ship was funny as hell. So I don't know.
I thought it was flying man. But I think it
touched on fame as well. You know, when you got
like famous status and cloud and stuff like that, everybody
wouldnt be around and he died alone another hip hop thing.
I forgot to ask this baby keen lost souls man?
Oh yeah, that's my boy. Yeah he was he was

(30:49):
late giving adversity to make the album because of that, Yeah,
I'll be just I don't know, I'd just be bullshit.
I didn't even go hold I'm a super procrastinate. I
went in the studio a million times and tried to
cut something and it just ain't coming it was supposed to.
Then I went to New York for a fashion week
and I recorded the verse the same time he did
the album listening, and so I sent it to him,

(31:10):
like right what he was playing the album the last
dream right fans were out, and so they put that
on there. That's my little brother. One of the records
that stood out to me too, is like you mentioned
Rolling Stone. It feels like that's like the most vulnerable
record on the album. Like in the first verse you
admit to you still got demons from your younger days
and you wish they could shake them off, but they

(31:31):
follow you, Like what are some of those demons that
you just can't shake? Um um. I don't want to
go into that, Okay, okay, But they are also moments
of self deprecation like richest fucking I'm nothing at the
same time, like what does that mean like for me?
Like when I wrote it, it was just like being
everything enough and being hit in love kind of like

(31:51):
the m I m everything you said I am type
of thing, you know that, like like I am with
I feel like I think that's tricky about like human
nature is that like we are who we are, but
we are we are also what everyone thinks of us, right,
So it's like you you you know yourself, you know
who you are, you know like internally and but also

(32:12):
at the same time, um, you are literally what people
say about you mm hmm, like quite literally, like from
your closest friends to your family to how people speak
on your character. You're like so to an extent you
can't give a funk with nobody think about you that
you have to give a funk what people think about you.
So it's just kind of like it's just that that

(32:34):
that catch twenty two, like I'm everything enough and I'm this,
and I'm not I'm good or I'm bad. Let's just
it's just being everything, being everything and nothing even the
price of fame, you see, like I can't fake a
smile like to me or something like you was like
you're moving in this business and you're growing, but I
feel like you you're not definitely not trying to play
the industry game and the way certain things happen, and
like it must be a challenge to be a real
one and kind of maneuver through this business. Um it's

(32:57):
it's like, um if I started thinking or something, but like,
I don't know, it's tricky. Man. I've never been one
of them, and I kind of wish I was. I
feel like i'd be I'd be like, I'd be way
bigger if I could, right, if I was one of
my fucker's that could like act like and I'm not
talking about act like Brad Pitt movie act. I'm talking
about like real life act. Like you go to fashion

(33:19):
Week and she's like, I'm gonna give a perfect example.
That ship sucked me up the first time I've seen it. Right,
you go to fashion Week and somebody famous whoever, they
see their friends, right, and this this ship trip I
don't know if it tripped you out the first time
you see this ship, but it sucked me up. So
like there's a camera right here, right, this person and
that person know that that cameras right there, but they

(33:40):
got to act like the camera's not there and give
each other this huge, big, warm embracing smile and hug
because they know the camera gonna catch it. That ship
fuck me up, bro. I was like, you're telling me
all y'all motherfucking see these cameras around and all of
y'all are putting on performances like in real, real life,
in real time. That ship tripped me out. BRO. I
was like, this ship is the fucking Maketrix for real.

(34:01):
I'm like, no, I should not be here, bro, Like
I'm really, I'm literally I'm seeing my fucker's act in
real time like the Brothers. But like, that's what I'm
saying that most fuckers will do the most. That's why
I can't fake a smile, like since I was a kid,
Like you know, they say small for pictures. I'm like,
you gotta tell me a joke or something, bro, Like
I can't. I can't fake it. So it's very difficult.

(34:22):
It's very different that, right. No, even like that we
talked about, you know, we talked about you your people
is about you know, doing this and you know you're
a real one. You like, let's have dinner, Let's let's
check the vibe, because right I committed something like that.
I like to get to know people, man, and you
know when it when it ain't the cameras and s around,
because I feel like that's when you get the real real.

(34:43):
But then in some situations don't even get that type.
Ship like some of my fucker's is constantly like super
in performative mode. And I realized that with like an
entertainment like, there's a lot of people that aren't constantly
consistently in performative mode. Like I'm like, brain even know
cameras around one and you're like, ship somebody my post
phone out of any man for real. But it's not
Also why you're so proud of being independent and you

(35:05):
know in the path you've made this way of being independent. Yeah,
for for a while because I didn't, I didn't. I
didn't really know much about you know, the independent music
ground or what that, what that men are, what it entailed.
I just knew that like, um, this is the route
that my people say is the smartest thing to do.
I didn't come into the ship knowing business. So I
was just like I'm listening to my team who I trust,

(35:26):
and they're like, bro, we should go this route. So
I'm like cool, am I just for a little bit
there was even times where I thought tooth and nail, like, man,
I want to be I want to be this, I
want this now, I want that, And I was thinking
that that would do it for me without even you know,
really thinking that there's people that are signed to labels
that that never got successful. Like they don't talk about
all the people that signed to major labels who never

(35:47):
got successful. You can't even get the record out. They don't.
They don't speak about it. They speak when they talk
about the independent rind versus the the major label ground.
They love to talk about the people that are huge
success stories have been signed, but most people who signed
to labels do not make it out. That's just facts.
Most of the most of the motherfucker's with them label signed.
It's just ship don't work. So I started looking at

(36:09):
it from that perspective. I'm like, yeah, that's facts. UM.
But for a while I thought that UM. Then UM
the independent ground was was a UM like a business model,
or it was UM a way of going about handling
your business or or or music or or marketing. But

(36:31):
it's really a mindset, you know what I mean. I'm
starting to see that the independent model was really like UM,
I like doing what I want to do, and I like, UM,
I like being able to to move in a way
that that um that allows me to preserve like my
life fem like I can stay private when I want,

(36:51):
I can step out when I want, I can do
what I want to do. And I feel like when
you're in that in that rat race, and you have
these obligations and you've got this this this machine behind you,
pushing you, pushing you, pushing you, pushing you to give
so much of yourself, you're gonna lose yourself in the process.
So I find that, aside from the business and the
percentages and all that ship, being independent allows me to

(37:12):
move in my own pace and give my fucker's what
I want to give them, and not give them what
I don't want to give him. And independent grind is
real tough, and it's also rewarding. Whether ever, ever moments
where you felt discouraged, like this is not gonna, you know,
come to fruition the way you wanted to. Yeah, but
only because I didn't know no better. It was a
time where I thought that everybody had money except me,

(37:32):
like like every new artist, I guess, but I thought
that I thought everybody had money, and I didn't have
no money like I would see my fucker's do these
music video shoots, and my fucker's got chains and cards
and all types of ship and I'm in a one
betroom apartment with folk my fucker's femin So there was
a time where I was really thinking, bro, why everybody
got money and I don't got no money? Is it
because I'm independent? Now? The truth is everybody didn't have

(37:54):
no money like it was everybody. There's a lot of
my funcker's that didn't have no their money, but you
know they don't. They don't tell you that because the
label job is to make it look like you've got
some money. Stuff right there. We're gonna give you the car,
We're gonna give you the co signs we can give,
We're gonna put your studio with this motherfucker. We're gonna
have cameras flowing around everywhere you go. And I didn't.
I didn't have that, you know what I'm saying. So

(38:14):
I was thinking, like, damn, everybody getting money but me?
But now everybody everybody looked like they got money, you
know what I'm saying. So I was gonna say, how
do you define success at this point, then, Man, I've
never you know, I've never pulled woodrobe for a magazine shoot.
Just shot g the other day. I just go out
and buy clothes. My closet is nuts, for real, Like

(38:35):
it's actually fucking ridiculous. Like my closet is nuts. My
motherucker just sent it for free, and I just get
free clothes and free whatever. You know what I'm saying,
Like to me, like, that's what independence looks like. Like, mother,
you see me wearing the chain, that's my chain, you
know what I'm saying. You see me wearing some you
see me wearing some ship a fit that costs a
hundred thousand dollars, that's my ship. Right, So I like,
I don't really know. I don't really fake the funk,

(38:55):
you know what I mean? So how did they? But
you probably still be more independent with this last project
you paired with Troy Carter's company. You talk about that
partnership and um why that was important, Umm, the homies,
But really really just like on some on some marketing
like digital marketing and ship like that, so that that
that was really some ship that that came up from
like my job. I had been on him niggers, But

(39:16):
they they're like older guys in the in the in
the business that see yeah, and that's seeing how we
was moving and seeing how we did an independence and
it was like, bro, like we wanna we want to
help y'all. We want to see how y'all ship can
go further. So just on some like, man, we have
industry knowledge. We've been doing this for a while. Um,
let me tap in with the with these young niggas
who's doing their shoot on their own and see how
we can continue to compete against this major label system.

(39:38):
You know what I mean because that people just say
it was is that you still really independent, because if
you got these industry connections, that why you had a
big first week the way you did. Some you know,
some people are speculating it's actually kind of funny because
that's I've been hearing that and that's something that I
don't even really know how to defend. I'm gonna be
honest with you. That's like me walking up to you
and be like, are you a black man? Like? What

(39:58):
the funk do? I like, uh, Like what I'm going
to say? Nothing, No, you're not. And I'm like, yeah,
Like I don't know what to tell you. But I
think for anybody that wants to get in the business
and once their business to grow, they got to know
that strategic marketing is necessary. Right. So if even if
you own a mom and pop spot, or you um
or you or you gotta shoot store or whatever, you

(40:20):
hire you hire people to market your your product from
people that don't know what what that is. That's getting
maximum visibility, right, So somebody's marketing your ship. You want
your ship to be everywhere. I want everybody to see me.
I want mother fucker's to think that got that this
is foot locker. You want a mom and pop shoe store,
you want motherfucker's to compete with foot locker, Like this
is what the funk I want to be. So you
hire strategic marketing team, you hire digital marketing, you hire

(40:40):
people that can make sure your ship has seen everywhere
you go. And that's what we did. That's what I
did with this project. Like everybody would make that move
was no, hell no, I'm like so independently, I'm like, ship,
We're doing this all on our own. We have the
we we have the budget to be able to afford
the best of the best people would experience because of
the money that we made off the last project, So

(41:02):
naturally I want to re up. You know what I'm saying,
We're gonna take what the funk we got. We're gonna
invest in the in the best team, who makes the label,
who they hire, who do they get? We want to
get them as they get, you know what I'm saying, Like,
that's that was the So for motherfucker's to think that
you for me that um or the dispute being independent
because you hired people to grow your business, that that's

(41:22):
kind of flabbergasting. Also that you're investing in yourself. May
you've been in touch with us? Is singing coach? Yeah?
Hell yeah, I's just saying, coach, we should keeps vocal coach.
I'm trying to be the best of the best. Bro. Yeah,
you want to take your vocals to the next level?
Like what does that even look or sound like for you?
I'm finding out now. I'm find out every day. I'm
find out every day, bro, Like I'm unlocking something new
every time I do a lesson. Really yea. Like as

(41:44):
far as vocally, do you what do you think is
like do you need improvement on just the tone or um?
I say, just my being winded and ship like that
because you know I'll be smoking in bullshit and so
just just disciplined singing more often, strengthen the instrument. Yeah,
I was never. I was never when the when the casts,
I really like to sing like that, Like I didn't like,
I don't walk around, just be like I'm finishing, I'm

(42:05):
you know what I'm saying. So like, that's That's something
that I've just been trying to hone in on. It's
just really um loving my voice and maintaining it and
protecting it and treating it like it's something that I
actually care about versus it just being a means to
make songs. Got you you still care about? Make it
out Alive? Is that the next project that we're cooking up?
Hell yeah, I love the name, so I'm still working

(42:26):
on it. Do you have a concept it is going
to kind of follow the same vein as I can't
get it away, can't get away, I can't give it away,
But it's it's I've already got a couple of songs
like in the words for it. That ship is incredible. Okay.
My final questions, why are you making us get up
in a helicopter? Man? What's going on helicopter idea? You have? Man,
what's going on with this man? Something new? Man? Were

(42:47):
trying new things? Okay, you appreciate it, man, I'm into
new things. Man. I had a couple more questions. Just
want to ask because some of my favorites. Jackie Brown
wanted it's by Pam Gris character from the movie, Like,
why did you use that as a using inspiration? Because
she's realist she did realist mature. It's like you feeling

(43:10):
fly as woman. You know that Another thing is like
as far as woman goes, like a lyrical that stood
out to me. It is like I think it's a
rolling stone. He said, Like, first, I'm excited that I'm
a gasline to make up your mind, Like when it
comes to dating in your dating life, do you like
those surface those claim surface all the time. I mean,

(43:32):
of course, that's just you know, that's just the ship
that people say. Yeah, I mean that's just another everything
enough and like first of exciting them, guys, like it's
just like that said this base. That's one was perception,
like you say I'm this, you say I'm that, like whatever, whatever, okay, right,
And the same thing you also ask what the purpose.
What purpose do you advice is serving your life? Would

(43:55):
you reflect on yourself? I'm trying to find an answer
all the time, man, I'll be trying to figure out
why the funk I do what I do? UM? I
think at this point inspiration HM. To be real with you,
I think as an artist, a lot of a lot
of ship that we do, we do to make art
about it. M like, ultimately, UM, living exciting life to

(44:17):
then't have contented to create a round? I got this.
I remember you haven't seen him the sake commercials, the
bier yo. Yeah, like the most interesting man in the world. Yo.
He goes into these spots you feel me dressed off
fancy and talks about all the ship that he did.
Like that's who I want to be, the most interesting
man in the world for real. Throw it through. I
want to be able to go somewhere when I'm old

(44:38):
and be able to be like, I don't do this,
I did that. I was there, I spoke, I spoke
to this motherfucker, I did whatever. Like I've seen it all,
did it all? You know what I'm saying. I want
to I wanta one day be able to say I
speak like four or five languages, and I know how
to surf and I know how to just all type
of random ship, which is why we're getting up in
the helicopter today. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah to be that

(45:05):
Let's go baby, Has there been a podcast helicopter podcast?
Be now? I said, grand fast Yeah yeah yeah. So
when we do brand back in style, like we're literally

(45:26):
looking among the wasteland. Yeah, let's see what I was saying, like,
it's so dope We're going to l A because like
in your career, how pivotal l A was U like
the hardwood floors and that journey, Like every time I
touched down from wrong somewhere else, it feels like the
first time. Right, Why do you think l A ended
up being in that area where it's like to be

(45:47):
at home of that control of like career breakthrough, the history,
just the history and the access and the resources and
the fact that there's so many different types of people
at one place. It's one of the most heavy proflmy
in the city. So yeah, I was talking like we
grew up in New York, and when you go up
in New York, you know like like the d n B,
you think the Collie just like Hollywood, and it was

(46:10):
like it's his own culture coming from Maryland. You ever
think you will be at this level? Is literally in heights.
This is always the vision, right, No, this is like
all I have on one of type ship like experiences
like this when it comes translate into your music. I
mean I write. I write most of my stuff in

(46:30):
the area on the plane. I wrote a lot of
stuff on the plane. Why did you think you draw
aspiration from that? Wrong? Really, I'm not distracted like they
nobody text. You can't nobody hit your bo You're looking
down and feel um. You feel reflective? All right? Everything

(46:52):
like Velo seems so small. Yeah, you got this big record,
like I am saying, wasting time? Right? Did you know
that record was gonna be in calming? What it is? Mr?
That two is a joke, right, Yeah? So it's such
a it's five minutes and most songs traditionally like three minutes.

(47:15):
You know, they're really short for streaming purposes. But it's
like when it's done, you wanted to run it back,
coming back, Such a great record. I love that joke. Yeah,
you guys haven't performed it yet, right that most of
my candialog at this point happened this moth. Yes, how
are you posting to new tour? Like? How much is
gonna be most effect focused on the new I'm like,

(47:36):
you have it in your mind how you're gonna cap
the show? Yet I'm working it right now. I just
know what my guys are nothing. Yeah, you're gonna put
it together. Listen to nuts, what's see? Do you feel
like you get the most love from when you're performing?
I can't even just everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, like and I

(47:56):
was actually worried about that when I first started touring befalling. Oh.
I thought some shows were gonna be this, some stance
will be I don't know what to expect. But every
show felt like telling every show right, how do you?
How do you think you've gotten better as a performer?
And be like watch your parents or like you study

(48:16):
game take all the time. I studied everybody. I study
everybody like Bobby Brown, everybody right, And I know, like,
since it's been so long since had those shows, I
don't want to. I don't want to short change the body.
People come out and see what they want to experience,
so I want to give them that power like that
with the podcast, like it was kind of on the

(48:38):
low building up and now the world's hoping the back
up to like almost like how do we attack this? Right?
Let me take it from the next level, right, And
that's where it was writing. My bread for the wrongness
is just how yeah, like how to do it? Like
how do how do I post this? And Thisially when
I started doing shows, you can't might have been like
a what two thousand venue, but now everything has grown
so much since stead stay doing a lot of video

(49:01):
and not moving forward. I gotta go from doing five
other people fencing other people doing them in ten other
people and I I never I didn't get a little
round with it. So I have to really learn how
to do um a bigger stage without ever having to
experience that before. So I don't I don't even really
know what to expect. Well, I know it's gonna be crazy, right,

(49:22):
and isn't important to kind of doing your own terms
and see's like obviously could probably doing all this and
that's the FRU culture. But is that a decision And
that's not the right thing to you right now? I
think for me, it's easier to do a big stage
if I can SERI experience yeah, big yeah, that's the thing, right,
and that should have looked good. But how much of
that mass is there for you right? As a look,

(49:45):
I've been studying the stick. I like, I like stings
last sommer, like gow he's surrounded by it's generous. So
I want to like apply just and things like that.
How a strange I have live interrimutation on said and
like in the orchestra, I wanted to feel like you're
going to a symphony. Okay, I feel like you're a

(50:06):
coach of production. I remember where like it if i'm
it's like like you know, sonically it may not be
like the most perfect thing, but it's like this is
the sound that that kind of draws that meg. It's
just that it's but it is that prettiness in that
character and that personality that that that makes it like
it's the imperfection of make it perfect. Yeah, that's any

(50:27):
irk you when nobody but somebody may not connect to
that part of it or is it it just aren't
So it's like a subjected I don't know. I don't
take music takes some hand like I never did. I
was never one of the people that like if somebody
like it, I'll take it personal, like yeah, music and subjective.
It is meant to be. It's meant to be judged.
That's just how it is. Like I don't know. I
don't take that too hard. That's what that's what people do.

(50:49):
We listen and we judging. You take some food and
taste good or it tastes bad. I can't. I can't
not know why food with the taste. So when you're
crafting this settless, how do you figure out what songs
you're gonna make because I'm sure there's a lot of
fair of favorites. Well all right, instead on talk too,
So I like to arst everything. I arst everything, throw

(51:10):
over the settle list of the ones that I want
to perform and the biggest ones I think people are
gonna feel, and then maas stuff out of tour goes
will swap them out. So you might take a couple
of records out of put some new ones in and
just test to see how to fulfill it. Are you
gonna type an audience to like test out a brand
new never go through the record that historic pop. But
I'd love to be there. I'd love to be additions.

(51:32):
I think it's good if you're if you're working with
live musicians, like the same love of musicians in recording
process that you wantso happened to be working when you perform,
and that's it's easy. It's like nothing to work. Do
something the night before with the band and they go
on stage and man after the next night and the
performance it because you're working with the same people. So
that's why I wanted Jordan's want the same producer for

(51:54):
the album to assist a lot with the with with
the orchestra on the band for this, so the same
place with paved from the same place. It's gonna it's
gonna be translated a villain statement will make it look
really dump. And former planes or girls who dated listen
to the album in contacted you thinking that you pulled

(52:14):
from their your relationship with them. Someone I've played it
for him before the project draft. Okay, now I would
like I'm making a song about a certain checking out
playing for that night. That great. Wow, I feel like
it was spared something. When it comes down, there's super line,
whether it's good or bad. I think it's somebody takes

(52:35):
the time to write anything about you. It's like, yeah,
it's sweet, right, So someone's like you go more and
the kind of embrace that bond and when that is
you really gonna be with Shorty or not you're racing
that mom, because I think ultimately like it'd be it'd
be insulted to spend some much time with somebody not
be inspired at all, you know what I'm saying. So

(52:55):
just a simpler fact that I wrote a record about
it taking the first place, whether it's good or bad
or ugly whatever, she's just happy that she has started
the process. I thought it was very deep that she,
like your reflection was like, hey, maybe I live a
certain lifestyle because that also I draw the art from it,
I drew I draw that from it, like you know,
what's good to see? He's like really looking at it

(53:15):
from that perspective and like, ha, com into your street.
What it is? I feel like ultimately, like you know,
like the type of life you live. I think certain
people are just not your wrist taking like that's just
he would just like you generally motorcycles and like some
people just like you like that. I just happened to
sing as well put it in what would you like

(53:36):
as like a real like I'm talking like Kenney going
first grade even he's like he was at your shorty,
that like at that level of imagination many. I used
to um, I had two things I want to do.
I used to draw a lot. I was like a
super like artistic here. I used to I was one
of the more product just kids. I took classes at
man in class of art when I was like, hey, wow,

(53:58):
I was a class with a host of kids and
she's like eight years old. Good. I was really good
at John. I thought that's what I was gonna do.
Um when I ended up in my music, but I
wanted that and I was I wanted to be a
secret agent secret I was looking. I wanted to be
a spot I thought that it was all fine. Were

(54:20):
you working with a lot of the legis man a right?
So we gotta drink already in the chamber you want
to work with, But you have y'all say whoa I
signed to call fact? Yeah? I think I think the
Dream could make that happy time. Yeah. What do you

(54:45):
think about the work that he's doing on the Beyonce's
album to Dream. I love that friend Jack. I like
the um, I like the production. I like them a
lot of choices. Mhm, that's just screw as right, that's
a good listen. I'm I'm not even told of demographic.
I'm ye yeah, but like even that, like I'm still
a smooth listen. You know what I'm saying. I'm sure
you know working with the Dream, you've always been a

(55:06):
fan of his, so that stood out to you that
you were a fan of Are you a fancy guy? Fancy? Oh?
I remember I was in seventh grade when set Up
came out. I was telling you when I first heard him,
I was like, I'm not even a lot of man.
When that's all set Up came out, I thought that

(55:26):
was like the greatest thing ever made. And he was
like it is, Yeah, that sounds like terry God Like
I like it. I like it. You also locked it
with no I d How was that experience? Oh that's

(55:48):
that's that's big, bro, bro. I just aside from just
from just the music, I soaked up so much industry
knowledge from the food, like because he would. The dudes
were like, he's not scared to give you the jim
so we'll see in the studio. Were talking like all
day we might not even make a meat all day.
We didn't even get the music good that day, and
we're just still talking all day, right, like just it

(56:08):
just it's heel just download he's alleged and a half. Yeah,
I think that we did with jay Z and the
four for a four project come on a lot so
much industry knowledge, bro, Like a lot of a lot
of a lot of like how have you said? My
thought process and wherever over when it comes to like
strategic things I make and doing, like the music and

(56:29):
really came from just my conversations with brother. Would you
ever do a project or just one producer? Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah,
I'm not I'm not a post I'm not really close
to anything musically. Long as it works. I decided to
take the time to get it perfect and with it out,

(56:49):
don't or whatever. One day I want to do a
project and I solely produced all my son, I'm gonna
get that. I just gotta I feel like right now
just learning from everybody. Uh Like I've been up learning
from everyone so eventually be able to life you everything
myself some time, Mr Child, Yeah, I mean that's how
I started making music, was do whateverything by myself. You

(57:13):
have to be evening you have any like from the
duction ver fluence that that ain't going a lot of
even like you did or no, yeah, um, I put
a lot from forty body so crazy, so crazy notice
for Relic Chad, so many people, A lot from you,

(57:36):
A pull a lot from Alicia. Yeah sog so much. Man.
We did you Anlicia rookie person. Yeah okay, yeah yeah,
we sat up. We set the video that feel you know, Okay,
the records just try and swiss board up show that's

(57:59):
that side that's up up with the hippox. She like,
I remember when um, you grew up with the gold Link,
the crew record, everybody trying to tell you to like
the hook man. Right, so now you can establish yourself.
You know, you still get a bunch my invop artists
and like how select them? Is that process now? Absolutely? Yeah,

(58:22):
definitely like that they never stops. But I think I'm
kind of like afford the leisure of being being um
very selected. Yeah. So now like I think with that,
I can I can kind of control my sito, Like
you want me to do a record, like you gotta
touch it. I got to sign a certain way like
yeah let me like let me, let me, let me
got a elements to it. Right about that you're doing

(58:44):
the hook right, Yeah, so that go bravely the tyler
or a key, but that may not feel right with
other artists were saying, it's just this is all about
like how it how it sounds, how I feel that
thing dropped. Man, that was a big record, Like did
you know that was gonna take on the way and
then keep uh oh no right, but me say, I

(59:06):
was just doing sessions. Yeah I was. I was just working.
I WoT I've been doing sessions every day for record
pass Like yeah, so I didn't. I didn't know. I
thought it's just another record that we cut the studio
and it's another one. Like so that's just the success
that I record kind of force you can grow up
in the bud. It's like, oh ship, like this is

(59:27):
what it happened to my mother or something that's big.
So I gotta make sure my ships in order. Yeah,
I mean it made me look it made me look
at different, It made me look at anything I did
like it could go. Yeah you know what I'm saying,
anything I did it could fly like it's no, it's
no telling. Yeah, when you like, what's validation. At this point,
we talked about success, but like is it a truth?

(59:48):
Is it a Grammy. It's the money, Like what's holiday,
It's it's experiences. Man, It's being able to do an
interview with you know what the Elliott on the helicopters.
Right to me, that's validation, right. They can't get an
award for that. Trophies just been away with the ground
and gone not gonna like this's my type of ship,

(01:00:12):
right with that Drake trophy. Remember he played that when
his shows. It was at a shock stage and we
were yassing, like, yo, you gotta finish that records, even
hit Boy. I think we helped encourage him like this
ship for the record album. It's like, you know, it's
like you said, like you may't write a song, but
you can't finish it, but you do it song. But
then you go up on the idea. But it's like

(01:00:32):
now go back and like that sound is so dope.
You gotta take it to the terstin Like, yeah, that's
what I thought about this state of fine Hollywood. Yeah,
copy that ship. Really I used to remember on Hollywood
and Hotter for like six seven years, even recognizing like

(01:00:54):
I went from like stand some times Florid to like
getting a studio apartment and then with my brother Arens's
two big in the studio apartment and one gulment apartment
and all these boodation was four nigga and one goul apartment.
And then from going there to get the spot online
and that was like the first time I had something.
I was pretty easy. I'm looking on fine unlesh was

(01:01:17):
good as far. I was run across in the w
on to nother Funcker's playing an Afro me every fucking night.
I'm trying every night. So we said, what's that transition
from going from there until when you go into these
cities you're like the Beatles to get a mob. What's
that like? I don't know. I'll be kind of sucking

(01:01:38):
me up because I still feel like nobody know me.
I don't know. Always with the same people do the
same ship all the time. I guess my my group
of friends just what we do. But the only difference
now is we do the same ship. But people just
want to me that's awesome because I saw in New York, yeah,
and it gets New York is a tough city, so

(01:01:59):
to have that out of Mom and Sea I remember
walking through, so it couldn't afford nothing. I couldn't even
like I don't going through. So like my first couple
of times I went to New York, I actually didn't
even stop us alf because it's just like I'm not
going you know what walking paste places that snow good

(01:02:20):
to eat. Damn, that's just snow good. It's fun. But
you know you gotta got Dady Thedonald's so like shutting down.
So right, at what point didn't click for you that
this is real? I think this little by little, it's
still clocking right. It's not necessarily like I touched down.
I was like, down, you gotta get the downs you
really right? I mean to an instance, sometimes like when

(01:02:41):
you like when you like I was a kid and
you just dream bad, like you've been thinking like should
be like make it with yoursething, so you've been thinking
like you're getting the studio and work with somebody, And
I said, you mean that it's over and then't like
keeping your phone and it's like wait, like oh ship,
like we're friends, like I should be kind of crazy. Um.
Sometimes I was like wait a minute, like like these

(01:03:02):
my father's there's people that I grew up listening to
that became a homies. Like it's more brokers that you
grew up watching on TV that be come to homes
like that's just gonna right. Like you think that it's like, oh,
you think it's like one moment it's just done. But
it's like, yeah, you got another car the next day,
you're another on the next day, somebody else listen and

(01:03:22):
just keep going. Now it's like I'm constantly introduced the
other days. So I know so many people not have
been doing it so much longer than me. Now, my
like my tastes team, like the toys. I want change.
It said that I want change, Like we'll just keep
Relevaby like the name used to be, Like, man, I
really want this parent sneakers and I really want this happen.
I don't really want that jersey. And I was like, man,

(01:03:43):
I really want that boat. I really want that car.
I really want that. Everything just changes. A chicken really
called Louis the thirteen for you MC Queen's you Forgive
You Forgive the real stor I that was a dream,

(01:04:03):
Yeah A queen. He put me on the lower yard team.
I've never even had it that I know you have
mentioned earlier. You're saying the dog food is like one
of your biggest inspirations, any other projects that you looked

(01:04:24):
to as like babite rap albums, All Eyes on Me,
All Eyes on Me? Forgot listen to that shit. Every
time I touched down to l I listened to all
of them play something from now before before I land around.
It's doing it again. I listen, all man, that was

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