Amerie

Season 4 keeps moving with the incomparable Amerie—singer, songwriter, and architect of a groove that reshaped the 2000s. Live with Tank & J. Valentine, Amerie breaks down the making of her signature sound, the discipline behind the pen and vocal stacks, and how she continues to evolve as a creative across music and culture. We talk albums, global moments, and what it takes to build records that still move dance floors and timelines.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
R and B Money than we are the authority on
R and B Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
My name is Tankown.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
This is the R and B Money Podcast on all things,
All be. It's this one thing, one thing, and it's
all and beat a whole bunch of it. Legs walking
down the.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Street, huh oh, stage mean, dazzling, stepping, west legging, dancing.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Singing man here going everywhere.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Every good great hair, great body of hair, awsome face.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
You guys, this is episode. This is the homie and
she is absolutely an awesome human being. Harvey Money podcast
people all over the world.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Right, he made it.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
I've been knowing you a long time, a long not
that long. We were on tour together in two thousand
and two.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Why are you aging me?

Speaker 1 (01:44):
No? No, I'm the old guy here. You were a baby.
You were a baby, and we were looking after you.
You just a little pee ship trying to make sure
you had your milk.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
And how are you agreed? I'm really great.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
You look great. Thank you, you look great. And and
i've you know, we've seen you more over the years
lately than we have you know what I mean, And
just in your presence. Yeah, I always see your sister
more than you.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
But you know, I get to see you.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Your energy is just your energy is just great, thank
you energy. What what do you attribute that to? Is that?
Is that just you? Is that just always been just
happy and just.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
I am a general happy Yeah, I am a happy person.
I think I kind of feel on the spot because
it's like, why are you looking so serious? How you feeling?
Are you a happy person?

Speaker 1 (02:44):
He's like, so that's that's his listening face.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
I'm present, okay, presence, yes, okay. So it's like what
people will be talking about you sounds so healed.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
You know.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
I don't like that term though. I am just generally
a happy person, you know what I mean. It doesn't
mean I don't go through I guess what everybody. Everybody
goes through things. But I think my general mindset is
that like everything that happens is for your benefit, for
your good, Like whatever it is, however wonderful, however a
person may deem it terrible on its face, I do

(03:23):
think that it's like whatever happens, it's like thank you God,
like thank you, this is this is a lesson or
this is supposed to teach me something. And so if
you kind of look at life that way then, I
mean if you look at life like everything that happens
is for your benefit somehow, then it's all good. Right.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
So it's a very positive way. Yeah, absolutely absolutely, I think.
I mean it's par for the course thing.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Step you tell like day I wasn't posted.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Anymore, Yeah, or you step up your tone now because
you're it's bringing you bringing some attention to something, or
slowing you down. Even even if you slow down in
your day a millisecond, right, it gets you in the
car that much sooner or later, I should say, right,
And so everything is orchestrated. So everything that happens is
kind of like.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Oh, well, you know, there's a purpose.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
There's a purpose, I believe.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
I agree, there's been there's been a resurgence of you.
There's been more of you for sure lately.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
You know, I'm me, So it's it's hard to tell.
It's hard to look at myself from outside.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Okay. So so so again I'm just I'm telling you
there and just in terms of like who you are,
what you bring to this, what's missing from this? You
know what I mean? It's like you're a thing where
people are like as good as it felt, then it

(04:48):
still feels that good now, if not better?

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (04:53):
How does that make you feel?

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Preserving?

Speaker 5 (04:58):
No, seriously, like because certain things, people's voice, their looks.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Are they in shape to do what they did?

Speaker 1 (05:07):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (05:07):
Like all those things that it's like seeing you now
it feels like seeing you then. Yeah, it doesn't feel
like to me, it doesn't feel like a drop off.
When I see it, I'm like, oh no, she's still cooking,
you know what I mean? Like when you popped out
at the BT hit.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
You, I'm like, yo, because you were so sweet because
you recorded it. He was like a proud like bro.
He was like he was recording from the side when
he said when he sent me the footage, it was
from the phone from the audience, and I was like, we.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Were in the back. We were stuck, you know, because
you know, once they start recording, you know you can't
come in. But we were just watching and it was
like it was me and my wife and I don't
I don't want to mess up her name, the Olympian Gymnasts,
not some on bios.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
The young girl. Yeah, I can't think.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
They wrongfully took her metal. Yeah, I want to be
able to say her.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
Name, you know, I think she might be a blazing too. No, yes, yeah, yes,
can't say her name though.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Jordan Childs. Jordan child So it's me, me and my
wife and Jordan Chiles and you know, just a bunch
of people and we're all back there and we're just
we're just taking it all because it's all like nostalgic
and all great. And then you come on and just
and we're dancing, we're having a time. My wife is like,
she looks good. She killing's killing it.

Speaker 6 (06:28):
She's like like Jordan's she danced and she like, you
don't even know nothing about this. And that was the
effect that you had on me almost fifty year old
and a Jordan Childs who's twenty two.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yes, yeah, maybe, yeah. You know what I'm saying, that's
the effect that you are having in twenty twenty five,
twenty six.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Well, I mean that's it's really humbling, you know, I
mean it's really humbling because you know, music is something
like to be able to to be able to be
a part of anyone's life, like to provide any bit
of the soundtrack to a person's life and like their
experiences like that means a lot. Definitely, to trying to
figure out how I phrase this, like after after any

(07:20):
like long period of time to still be able to
have that effect. It's it's humbling. I feel like that's
the only word. And you really, I think realize as
an artist, like how big that is later because it's
that's something I really realized earlier on, Like in my career.
It didn't like people would say, oh, my goodness, this
song helped me through this is something through that. But

(07:41):
it's different when it's like someone can tell you how
this helped me through this thing back then, or like
it got me through this over this time, over time,
and you like realize how what you do, even though
it's like art and it doesn't seem sometimes like really important,
how it does make a day friends, Because as an artist,
it's really easy to look at things and say, like, oh,

(08:03):
there's so much stuff going on in the world. I'm
not curing cancer, I'm not doing this, I'm not doing that,
Like what am I really doing? But then you see
the importance in that connection.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yeah, I think people have always, especially with artists, they've
always looked at things from the numbers, right, We've only
that's kind of how we quantify impact with numbers.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
You're having a very serious moment right now. I have
this inappropriate laughter thing like syndrome thing, So just ignore it.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Well, I know your ass.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yes, I get it because she's so serious and I'm like,
gotta be serious and that said it all. Sorry, Sorry,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
No, But what I've said is like that's always been
a way for people to say how impactful something is
by how popular it may be. And then you meet
somebody who's like, oh, love song seven on this album
that nobody's ever heard, our cares about, and like this
is my favorite song and this is what got me
through something. Yeah, And then I feel like that's always

(09:11):
something that brings artists back down to earth to be
like oh shit, Like it's it's more than just chasing
the number of our radio space.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
It brings them. It brings them back to purpose, right
because I think that you know, earning a living and
all of these things, it is part of it, you know.
But I think I think a lot of most of
us started doing this because we loved it. Like we
didn't know what we had, Yeah, we just we just

(09:39):
felt good when we was doing it. We felt good
when we were singing. We felt good when we was dancing,
and and then we found out one day you get
paid with it.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
Oh my goodness. I used to forget to get my
money in the beginning so many times because I was like,
you know, so used to do everything for free and
promo and plus I just love to do it, so
I forget that there was money. So I'd be like,
we're just going to thing and the like they get
get I was like, where are they going? It's like
to get the back in money. I was like, oh,
I forgot, like we're getting getting money.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Getting money.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
I would have loved to be a bad manager. You
got your money already.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
You enjoyed yourself right right. Oh my god, Oh my god,
they got money back there.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
I was like, oh, I got paid for me.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Know, the front end was the whole end. You're good. Wow.
So so I want to know your your discovery process.
How were you discovered.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
Again it? So I'm gonna go a little bit further
back than I usually go back.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Come on, come on, let's go back. Yeah, let's go back.
Money exclusive.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Her money can't make me laugh too much.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
It's great. The smile is doing everything to that camp.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
So you know, everybody knows kind of generally, like how
I met rich and I went to college and you
know DC and you're from that d.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
MV area too, Did you finish?

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yes, I did. And now I told my parents, like
I was thinking of I was like, if the opportunity happens,
I'm thinking I might, But what do you guys think
about if I just leave in the middle of it.
My dad was like, maybe it depends. My mom was
dead set against it. But my mom also cried when
I became a professional singer. She was kind of disappointed
about that. Asian, you know, so it's like singer.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
She was like all she heard was Karaoka.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
She's like, that's well, She's just like that's all. She
wanted me to be a professor or a lawyer or
a professor or something like that. But she also really
what it was, because she told me later, she was
just really scared. She just knew about like sex, drags
and rock and roll. You know, I'm crazy, So she
was just like, no, we can't do that anyway, I
digressed it. That's why she thought i'd be a professor

(11:58):
or lawyer. So she thought that it'd be like a
little too crazy for me and she was just worried.
But anyhow, that was a digression. Let's go back to
the beginning. So before I went to college, I was
still trying to like figure it out in high school
and so I did different like talent shows. I think
I signed to something like when I was in high school.
I can't really remember, but it was like a record

(12:21):
company was in Alaska and they were trying to do
their thing, and I think they were pretty decent in Alaska. Yeah,
And because I lived in Alaska too for like because
military brides. So I just lived there for like three
years and I tried. I tried to do something with that,
and then I came to do like this talent show
or this talent thing that was happening in New York

(12:43):
that didn't work out, but I ended up pumping into
some people that ended up coming to the music industry
later and that they were also at that same talent show.
I realized that I'm telling this that it's not particularly
interesting because there's nothing that happened with that. So we're
going to move on to college. When I went to college,
that's the story that everybody pretty much knows. Like I
was just like always trying to like figure it out.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Development or anything with the Alaskan.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
Well, what I did, I did do some things, like
some modeling picture type things. I'm not a model, though,
so that that wasn't going. The biggest takeaway from that
period is they plucked my eyebrows too thin. That's what
I That's honestly my takeaway because when I came out,
when I came out, I'm like, look at my early
early video or early time, I'm like, why are my

(13:26):
eyebrows like that? It's like because it's That's what I
got from this that period of time was that the modeling,
and it's just like some crazy thin eyebrows. I did
also sing on a dumpster, so that actually helped. That
was important. So my biggest takeaway was too thin brows
doesn't look good? Got it? Sing? Don't be afraid to sing.
I was the person who was like scared to be

(13:48):
in front of people. So like talking to people was
one thing, but if they asked me to sing, I
have to like go behind the sofa and like hide
or go around the corner. I didn't want people to
look at me. So the one of the guys who
was like part of the town thing. He was like,
I want you to sing on this trash can in
the city. Just do it. There's a lot of people
walking around. I was like, oh my gosh, it's so embarrassing.

(14:09):
He's like, I know, but that's why you got to
do it. And I did it. I did it. I
didn't want to do it, but I did it. And
so that that was my artist development.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
So broke the fear.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
It did break the fear. That broke the fear. And
also my first tour, I was my first tour was
the NOS tour. Was that the one that we were on? No,
we were on that one. Okay, that's the one. That's
the first one that I remember because it was like
morning time doing a high school performance. You know, those
high schoolers my record, my first single just came out.

(14:41):
They didn't know the song. Really, they're tough. It was
like a reward for some of them forgetting some good grades.
So that means already your audience is already kind of
skewed to like I don't care about this, kind of
not saying that. You know, if you're a bookworm, it's
not but I'm just saying they were like kind of bored,
and I had to come out and sing, and then
they don't care, and I can tell they don't care.
Plus I had my angsty years. My middle school year

(15:03):
and my high school years are very angsty, and it
wasn't that far apart at the time. So I felt like,
you're pushing me in this environment that I'm not really
wanting to get into, is bringing back like some triggery things.
And then I got to sing, and then I don't know,
it was really really hard. Then we did radio and
I did the show in the afternoon and it was
like thousands of people. Then at night they were like,

(15:23):
go to a club and perform, like you remember when
everyone just just go and do it again, we're talking
about for free. See, this is why all this is
for free. That's why I kept forgetting I was getting paid.
And so I was like, all right, I'll do this thing,
and I'm in the club and sometimes you'd be like
a bunch of people. Now these people to me all
felt like grown ups. So see I was half step

(15:43):
out of the high school era. So when I'm going
to the nightclub, it feels like maam's and sirs like
and then I don't know, like like, oh no, they
can see through me. They can see that I'm nervous.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
So you're having all these thoughts throughout the day, throughout.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
The day, and in between, I'm in the hotel like this.
It covers over my head, curtains drawn. Because I was
so anxious. I was like, how does anyone have fun
with this? I don't know how to have fun with
this because I'm nervous and anxious all day. But doing
that every day because I was on the tour, You're
finding is so amusing. I'm so glad because you think

(16:19):
this is funny. But I guess it is funny if
you look at it now. I'm living I'm reliving a
little bit of it now because I remember what it
felt like to be in that But it is kind
of ridiculous when I look back at it, because I
was like Amory's it's not such a big deal, But
it felt like a big deal at the time because
I was so out of my comfort zone. But after
that tour, I was like, put me in a bikini.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Hello, you create the monster.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Because how long were you? How long were you on
on that round? Maybe like three months?

Speaker 4 (16:50):
About three months, because I think I think I was
pretty much on every single day and for the tour
during the thousands of people, I only performed Rule with nos,
so I didn't even have like my own say. He
was nice enough to just let me like kind of
come out there and do my song, so I didn't
have to do too much.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
But that was the It was a great and that
was a great lot.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
It was. It was good. It was good. I needed it.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, and you were doing your single at the time.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Too or no, yes, and then people were starting to
know it. So I got to see as an artist
like oh, people were starting to like know it there,
you know, because in the beginning, you know, I wanted
to apologize, Hey, sorry to I'm just kind of because
he let me do the song we did together, and
why don't matter of fact saying I'm just make it
real quick, just thank you.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
That's a tough spot for new artists though, I mean,
no matter what, especially like yes, like like Tank said,
it's a lob and on one hand, like it gives
you a leg up to be in front of these people,
but it's putting you in front of a lot of
people who don't know who the hell you are.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
But I'm so thankful for that time though, because it
was just so difficult, like mentally that I was like, look,
if you can get through this, you'll be fine, because
I literally would be backstage shaking, like okay, you guys,
like really shaved, shaking like a leaf right backstage. And
when I was done, I didn't have stage fight anymore,
and I never had it again except for some televised things.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Take me through the first single, why Don't We Fall
in Love? Nobody knowing it to everybody knowing it. Well,
you know what, how you changed in the sense of
how you yes and how you presented it because you

(18:49):
can wear it differently. You wear it differently when people
don't know it, because there's a certain performance that you're
doing when people don't know it. But then there's a
certain performance that you you're doing when people do everything.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
You guys know how it is. You know, you know
how it is. When it's like people know something, it's differently,
Like you said, it's there's they say to say, they say,
there's there's no drug, like fame or like if it's
not even fame, just being on the stage, controlling the stage,
only the stage, because when you're on that stage, you
there is a certain amount of like control you have

(19:28):
over the audience, you know what I mean. And that's
kind of a little bit of power. Yeah, and and
and that that is like an intoxicating kind of thing.
But going from the from when no one knows it
like that is I just had so many like hang ups,

(19:49):
just personally like myself. It was like, you know, I
was already kind of upside. I remember the first time
I was performing, and you know, I had to like
learn to like loosen up, like to throw a hip
out because they mommy might be like what are you doing?
You know, what are you doing? So it's like I
was kind of like not moving too much. And then
then my mom was just like, oh, you gotta move
where something tight. I was like, mom like okay, okay.

(20:10):
So I kind of like.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Just like what are you doing here?

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Gonna do this?

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Don't forget about the money. So how to like loosen up?
Once like I was performing and people started to know
it came with twofold because on one hand, I was like, wow,
this is like it's like power, like you really do
only say you put put your hands up, they put
their hands up. It's like you're giving energy, they're giving
you energy. I was like this is really crazy, and
I was like, I can see why. You know, I

(20:42):
don't know if this is in the Bible or not,
but you know, with a story when you go to church,
they were like Lucifer was the head of the choir
and all that stuff. I'm like, that's why though, because
this is energy, this is it's it's literally vibration. It's
like it's communication. So I was like, there's a lot
of power in that. But on the other hand, then
I started thinking, like what do you do with that?
What are you doing it? And that's actually what led
to me kind of stepping away up for a while too.

(21:03):
Later that comes later in the story. I don't know
if you want me to tell that now or no.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
No, So that's all that, Yeah, okay, because then because
then there's talking to me is after that.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
Right, talking to me was going to be first. Then
it was after that. I think something was supposed to
be before that though, but talking to me did come
after that.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
I was a second sing on that.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
That was the second thing.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, uh, why don't We Fall in Love was incredible?
Now changed music. Why Don't We Fall in Love? Was
like it was like quietly my favorite song. Really, it
was that sounded incredible.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
I appreciate the.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Delivery, the vocal, the video, the musicianship, the core structure, everything.
I was just like, oh my god. And then you
get on stage and you and you was you were
killing it. It was all great, thank you, like you know,
it's it's it's sometimes it's so sometimes it's song where

(22:01):
sometimes it's the artist, right, you know what I mean,
or sometimes you can pick up pick out the pieces
that make it kind of makes sense.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Don't always have the name.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
You don't always have the marriage of everything right where
it's all good. Yeah, and that and that's what. That's
that from the beginning, you came out there like the
first song out the Gate, you came out the gate
that way.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
I think you know what what it is to I
appreciate that one. I felt like that song represents because
you know, that wasn't gonna be the first thing. That's
what I was saying talking to me, was going to
be the first one. But when we did everything, I
was just thinking like because at the time of you
like a red eclipse, red e clips yea, and yeah
it was it was a little fast, little little little

(22:44):
fast car, you know, And I was thinking like what
do I want to be my introduction? Like because I've
been dreaming about so I had notebooks of like how
do I want to handle myself in interviews? Like what
kind of questions do I want to answer? What do
I not want to answer? What do I think that
how every thing should be? Like I had, I was
kind of everything planned everything well, you know, I guess
you could say that I was prepared, right, trying to

(23:07):
be prepared because I was one of those people who
would you'd see me across campus. I didn't have my
headphones in. That's also why I don't really remember much
of college. Unfortunately, I learned to be more present in life.
But I would walk between classes or like when I
had the little student job, and I would pretend I
was in the video, like I was listening to the song,
but I was pretending that this was my video. And

(23:28):
I really really felt like I was in I was
in my own world. So I had everything so prepared
one MOE while we fall in love. When we recorded it,
I was like, I like talking to me. I like
it a lot, but people don't know me. This introduction
is so important and what do I want to be
the first thing? And I actually didn't want to put
my picture out because I was like, sometimes people get preconception,

(23:50):
preconceptions or preconceived notions regarding like how you sound, and
some people would be like, oh, like you know, she's cute,
it's gonna be like which is cool. But I was like,
I don't want. I just wanted to be about the music.
I just want people to hear the music, and I
don't want any images getting in the way of their experience.
I just want that. And I think this is the

(24:13):
song that best represents me right now, everything you said
and the melodies, the delivery. I was like, if someone
could only hear one song from me, it's like who
is she? This song is who I am? And so
that's why we went through it. But it was the
whole thing felt different to me, Like to me in
my mind, it was very black and red of black
and red, like those little colors in my head. So

(24:34):
when I talked to Benny Boone and we were like
talking about the video and he was like summer day,
I was like summer, I'm thinking what streets night dark?
He was like, oh, like what. I was like, yes,
but but now I understand because I was able to see.
I was feeling the fire and like what it was

(24:58):
for me on an emotional level, like that song and
what everyone else was hearing is what what the song
was from the outside.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Refreshing, It felt light flowing.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Summer day and I can get it now in New York.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
Yeah, first day of summer, Central.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Park on the outskirts, just walking, stopping at the truck,
give me a double vanilla, throw some morios on that
thing like it was.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
A cataistic but it just felt things are going to
be good.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
It's going to be a great day to day.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
I see with that's that's that that matches me so
that that's I'm happy for that.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
And then you were nothing. You didn't look like anything in
the industry at that time nor sound like.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
So that was well, I don't know. Some people were
like they can hear the Merry influences to be to
be fair, which I which which she's one of my
biggest influenced may major by so that makes sense. But
I don't think there were a whole lot of Blazons
around at that time.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I don't think we're like thing that.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I don't think there was one.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
You know, we we were we.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Were very rare to me military it was.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
M right.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
So what happened is that people I think people like
got on Blazion thing, got on the radar somehow, and
then people just started together. So it's always been about
you know what I'm saying, always known about you people.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
The way of water.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
I got a question, very random, so because obviously I
want I want to hear what you did, because you
obviously went to college, you got education, you come from
two parent homes. It's a little bit of a different
path than the average artists. Right, most of us has
drop outs, most of us, you know, I mean just

(26:56):
for real, like it's just we got music, that's it.
So for someone like you, when you get your first check,
M hmm, what do you do with it?

Speaker 4 (27:08):
I don't really remember what I did with the money,
you know what. I'm not a person that thinks a
lot about money, I gotta say, which is a good thing,
but it also kind of a bad thing too. What
did I do with that? I think you.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
Didn't have any big purchase anything like when you first
got like.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Okay, I I got got a little bit of money.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
I think I think I bought a Cardier ring. Okay,
I think when I gave it to Angela. So your
first lates, you know, you just bought a whole bunch
of la When I was when I when I didn't
really have money because I was, you know, a student,
and everything I would I had a ritual. Okay, well

(27:50):
maybe that's why I'm always mentioned in lates and me
they're cozy. I only could get one a month when
I would get my little student check because my parents
had I always had everything I need, but not like
just extra stuff. You know, we got what we needed
for school clothes. Kids would get like a whole bunch
of stuff for school clothes. It's like here's a couple
outfits and one parachutes. Now we we had we never

(28:11):
wanted for anything. We always had what we needed, but
not always what we wanted. So when I had my
little whatever I had, I would buy the latte. It
was like four dollars, you know what I mean. And
I would sit just like this when I would get
that money and just be like and save that. Sometimes

(28:32):
I put on my one hundred dollars sweater that I
only wore that day, and that was it. So like,
you know, it was very basic. So when I did
get money there wasn't a lot of things that I
wanted to buy for everybody. It was kind of like,
now I can have a latte whenever I freaking want.

(28:52):
I don't worry about it. You can get them extra
cream whatever we're cream. Do it go crazy, go back
to one, I said. So it's like my big purchase
was like maybe it was like kind of like that
that ring. Now. I did go through a period where
I got a little crazy and I was like shopping
and buying a lot of clothes. I do remember that.

(29:15):
But then but then I was like, that's a kind
of like a waste. I'm more into like experiences, I think,
And so that's why the latte thing kind of was
a thing for me. It wasn't about the latte. It
was more about like being able to just sit back
and enjoy something, you know what I mean. And then
when I got money, it was like, now I can
just have the experiences that I want whenever I want

(29:37):
and not have to hold those because whenever I would
buy like more material things, I don't know, it just
it do didn't do it for me the same way,
But don't get me wrong. You know, if I was well,
I did start buying jewelry. I was like, I'll just
buy my jewelry. That's my thing. So that's probably why
I bought the ring, okay, But then you know I
forgot about it.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
And fresh nigga shit, Yeah, yeah, that's what I did.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
But I was also again you got to remember, I
was forgetting to get the money. I was forgetting that
I was getting paid for stuff.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Did you ever get the actual money?

Speaker 4 (30:11):
I did? But I would forget every shot. I think
so because I was also not a person who was
counting the money like that dude. I was like, cool,
got the money, good, thanks it away, And I was like, oh,
I probably should count. I was just having fun. I was,
and I was like, Wow, it's funny that I get
paid to do this. And I still feel like that
a lot of times, you know what I mean, Like
I'm still thinking like, wow, you actually get money to

(30:32):
do the thing that you would want to do anyway,
you know what I mean, Like whether it's music or
writing a book is kind of like wow.

Speaker 5 (30:39):
So were you were you actually present in the beginning?
I was like really, so, you're just really anxious throughout
the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
For like a number of years, I was too anxious
to enjoy it, you know, like and then then it
hit me later on when I was overseas, I was like,
you know, I know you're really nervous about because I
talked to myself out loud, you know, I told you that.
I was like, I know you're really nervous about this.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Like when you're by yourself, you're you're talking out loud.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
People will literally be like, oh, I thought you were
on the phone. I was like, oh, no, that's just me.
Or they'll just come into a room and I'm just
standing in front of the wall.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Do you know why it's out loud?

Speaker 4 (31:17):
Because I think, I mean, it could be like maybe
I'm just connecting with my higher self or because it's
not usually like what am I doing? And it's usually
like I'm so mad about this thing? But it's like, well,
why are you mad? Because I just feel like it's
just really I guess I really really upset about X,
Y and Z. Well, first, I mean, it's good to
acknowledge that you're mad, but maybe I mean it sounds

(31:38):
I didn't realize how crazy it was. So I saw
this one thing about a serial killer and I was like, ooh,
I like that I know.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
It's like when you see movies or you know, me
shooting movies and stuff like that, there's always this conversation
with yourself and it's out loud. And so I don't
talk to myself out loud, but I'm wondering, you know,
I was oneondering if the movies was just it's just
depict in real life like some people do talk to
themselves out loud. Yeah, so you're saying it like, I'm like, Okay,

(32:09):
there are people that.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Really do that because sometimes you sometimes you can get
outside of your emotional stelf on what's going on, and
you can connect to like a deeper part of yourself
and that's the part that we'll be speaking to you
and talking through like whatever is going on, right, and
it helps to kind of see things from a different
perspective in that way. So that's kind of like what.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
I know, what I think, I do it seem but
I don't talk like I don't, I don't talk. I'll
be like.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
I'll be doing that, okay, talking to myself.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
It's crazy. It's like Jason, it makes me be like,
are you going to are you going to.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
Blow it up?

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Oh my god?

Speaker 5 (33:11):
But yeah, I don't think for me like that's that's
the only time I've ever like that's talked out loud.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
I'll just be going through like showing me and song
stuff and and.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
And I don't know, just maybe are you playing both parts?
Because she plays both parts. What she's doing, she.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Sits on both sides their levels to it, so she's
she's on the expert level like I'm beginners. I'm just
I'm just still expressing one side of the conversation, which
is I'm not out loud, but I do find myself
like like mumble whispering, like what's on my mind, and
and everybody looking at this.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
It helps to say it out loud sometimes.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
But I don't know what that is because I do
that when I'm singing.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
It don't sound like nothing, but there was the lyrics
that you're singing.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Or sometimes it's lyrics, and sometimes it's just a vibe.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Sometimes OK, talk talk talk, and.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
So I do I get it.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
I highly recommend it for people to try if they
ever have, like, like in all seriousness, if you're ever
like going through something and then you're trying to figure
it out, because we all have that part of us
that's that's who we are, like on a soul level,
Like that's not necessarily your personality. That's not what you're
going through. That's not it's beyond emotion. It's not the

(34:45):
it does not. It only witnesses. It's not it does
not feel the emotion. It witnesses and watches. And that's
why I say it's like your higher self or not.
So when you're you're like, I don't know, I'm like
really worried about this thing. Okay, you really worried about well,
you're worried about that now because this is happening. But
but know that on the other side of this that

(35:06):
you know what there is that you have to do
with this thing. I know, but it's just like I'm
trying to figure out how to get this and this,
but it'll be figured out. It will be figured out.
It's like, yeah, I know that.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Okay, and you do all of that.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
I do all that, but I might be like in
front of like sometimes in front of my bookcase, like
my son came and you're like mommy, he's like, oh,
you're talking to yourself. Because sometimes I'm saying or I
might be ruminating the things like about life, and I'll
say it out loudis because they're honest. They just honest gets.

(35:38):
They'll be like, oh, okay, I thought you were. I
can't tell that you're on the phone sometimes because you
have your ear pods on, but so I don't know
if you're talking to someone or just yourself. I'm like, oh,
thanks baby for your patience.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
You know, did you talk about like how anxious you
were and and just in the early stages of this,
did you ever get a chance to feel like you
were being successful? Did you ever get a chance to
really like like se really see it.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
I'm going to do that this time because I don't
actually have like, there's some things I'm gonna do differently.
And I was like, Amory, this is what we're gonna do,
because you know, normally I'd be like, oh, I don't
like photo shoots. I hate doing this those kind of things.
And my dad was like, you know, if you're going
to do this, Amory, you need to just do you know,
do it all the way, do the things. I know
you don't like some of the stuff, but do those parts.

(36:26):
And I was like, yeah, you're right, daddy, I am
going to do that. This is like a couple of
years ago. So this time I remember like I was
going to do a photo shoot. I was like, Oh,
here we go. I'm gonna do the photo shoot. Don't
want Can we be done with it? Can do it
real quick because I'm really to take pictures. I never
looked to it and I said no, Amory, And I
actually wrote it on a piece of paper, like in February.
I said that those those old things. I said, We're

(36:49):
gonna that's the old you. We're going to sacrifice that
old you because the old you, that's the old you,
that's not you anymore. The new you loves to do
photo shoots. The new you loves to I always love
to go to events when i'm there, but the lead
up of going to the event made me anxious and dreaded.
But then everyone's like, but you, you never be wanting
to leave you at the club because I love I

(37:09):
actually like going to the club, and I like going
to like ratchet club. I don't like going no bougie club.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
I like.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
I like a hood club. That's what I like because
those are fun when people dance and it's just like
it's just the vibe is different. So I was like,
we're gonna we like going out, and we like going
to things, and that's what it's going to be. And
because inside you do like that. So we're gonna put
aside the old things that didn't serve any kind of
real purpose. We're also going to enjoy the moment because

(37:35):
I started learning that at the very end, but I
didn't really we're going to get you your plaques.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
You don't have no plaques, but you've never.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Care.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
I don't really care about it.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
I should have sent it to you anyway.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
I was like, you should look at your thing. Okay,
we'll do that. We'll do that costs money. Where's the
money do? I just didn't send you the money for that.
So I was like, we're gonna get your plaques, because
I was always so like, it's like, do you want
your plaques? And I was always like, no, I don't know.

(38:07):
I don't I don't really uh later later later when
it well, we'll wait till another point when I get them.
And then I kind of forgot about them, so I
don't have, like I think I have one from like
France to this one record produce, the record producer that
I did a song for, and then I think I
might have I don't know, but I don't have like
a single plaque if I don't have any of those
things that I think. I have some awards like you
usuldly give those to my parents, and there were some

(38:29):
different things, but I was like, you know, I know
what's going on. You're not in You're not in the moment.
You're so like this, so focus on it. You're you're
missing the journey. And I was like, I don't. I
don't want to miss the journey because when you when
you're so focused on just getting to your destination, you
realize when you get there, there's nothing there. It's only you.

(38:50):
When you get to the top of the mountain, it's
only you, there's there's no one. No one ever talks
about that because then no one won't want to make
the track. But the whole point is like how it
was getting up the mountain, and I just didn't see that.
So that's why I was like, you don't have to
co pleaux. You know, I know some girls they be
having like cute like photos, you know, the photos even
going to the girl's bathroom and she got like the
picture of her like this, like you know, I was like,
you don't have no photos yourself, like not even one.

(39:12):
I was like, no, none of those things because you
never were concerned about it. But you want to look back.
It's kind of like little signposts like oh, I did
this thing, I did that thing. I said, so we're
gonna do things a little differently this time. Are we
gonna be out of that now? I always go back
to that, just because it's just what does that really mean? Though?

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Really, honestly, I mean, that's really just having a good time.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Everybody has a different definition from outside, and that's that's
the thing. It's like, Yeah, I was like, I'm gonna
have a really good time because I was too anxious
the first time around to like enjoy anything honestly, because
I was like so anxious about it and too nervous,
Like when I would go into a city, I was
too nervous to do anything because I was just like

(39:59):
dreading the thing and is everything going to be right
with the sound and the lighting and the show itself
and the run through and what do I need to do?
I'm like, girl, you are in wherever Germany you are in,
Let's go to get something to eat. Let's run by
that like the quick stop of that museum thing or
that one thing you wanted to see and you.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Didn't do any of that.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
I have dinner with like the promoters or whatever, because
they would always want to do dinners and they would
always say, oh, she's just not going to do dinner,
which I felt bad about, but they didn't understand. It
wasn't because I didn't want to do dinner with them.
I was just too nervous about the stuff. I said,
We're going to go do dinners. We're gonna enjoy because
this is an experience. So my whole outlook is is different.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
So is it am the influencer now are you?

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Huh?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
I don't want you to be out here influence you.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
I mean no, I don't like that term, but I
definitely will. I want to experience everything, and I'm not
anxious about it because I also realized too that there's
a lot going on in the world, and it's like,
it's so easy to feel like the things that we do,
like as artists, because there is a certain level of
self absorption that we have. You know what I'm saying,

(41:08):
But ain't nobody really pay attention to you that much
all day? Every day? They're going to see it and
then they're going to move on to the next thing.
So it's like for you, it feels like, oh, it's
not that dire, it's not that dire. Just have fun.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
I also think part of having fun is is as
an artist is the delegation part of it, which frees
you up.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
In so many ways.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
And so it took many years for me to take
my hands off of things and just trust people to
do what they're supposed to do in the way that
they know I like it.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
So somehow I feel like.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Whether it be a sound man or a manager or
you know, any of these things, it's like the relationship
and trusts has to be so where you can go
to sleep and wake up, or just get into a city,
not go to soundcheck. You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
You ain't even showing the soundcheck.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
No, I mean, my my guys know how.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
You want to sound, how I like my.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Stuff, You know what I mean? And we we now
we do rehearse it and practice it so that we
know and maybe in the first city we do one,
maybe in the second city, just to just to touch
it up and make sure. But once I once, once,
once I walk in the building, I'm just I'm just
vocalizing and doing push ups and doing push ups.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
Okay. I was believing that that thought that was like
a metaphor for like getting ready, but I was.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Like, literally, like they want to see these things, so
so you know, it was that delegation that freed up
a lot of space.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
All this approving this and doing the Sundary. I got
push ups to do, I got some crunches, come on.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Come on, and I could I could rest. I could
really go to sleep before a show and really wake
up like ready.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
That's hard to do though, because I am like super
pixel and when it comes to like artwork, for instance,
I almost got to do it. I'm like, what about
the colorization and what about because I can tell when
this is here, but it should be here because the
balance between the space and here here, and a lot
of people don't see that, and.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
I suffer from it terrible actually, But I had to
take my hands off of things, like I had to
actually start, Like Jay helped me start appreciating things that
were so obscure and so not right.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Okay, okay, so.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Right, especially music like Jay. It's not right, he said,
but it feel good.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
Okay, I can see that it would be so wrong
but right.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
But once I, once I threw away my musical education
and and and and my my pulsh gift, And once
I threw all that to the side and just started
being present and was just what's happening, and stopped listening
with just being objective and and and giving it all

(44:26):
a chance, I started enjoying things that I'd never enjoyed before.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
I can totally see that conversation happening between you and
because because Jay is just like very straightforward too and
not overthinker.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
He's like, listen, no, he's he's an absolute overtaking he
also he's also willing to just do away with his overthinkings.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
I shap rocking, now, yeah, that's what I mean, very instinctive.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
Its just like yeah, I mean, and I think for
me and for him, right, we come from two different
size of music, right. I learned music in a sense
from the streets ultimately, you know what I mean. And
he learned music from theory and from church and you know,
all the right things.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
And I learned the way. Not even I tease him
because he's got a baby face.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
I'm like, I was actually good, well, I did my things,
but from a from a music standpoint, I didn't understand
any theory. I still don't to this day. I don't
understand it.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
I can tell you what the.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
Middle C is on the keyboard, and it really goes
as far as that, like they can start talking about
chords and the progressions of this and I'm like, yeah, listen,
all that is weird.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
How do we make.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
It sound good?

Speaker 4 (45:55):
How does it feel?

Speaker 2 (45:55):
How does it feel? How do we make it feel good?

Speaker 5 (45:58):
And I think him and I coming together and working together,
we found this happy medium of like, Okay, it's very
talented still, but it's digestible.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
The actual world.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
Sounds like a perfect marriage actually between because it's like
having that theory, but at the end of the day,
it is feeling. It is emotional.

Speaker 5 (46:16):
And then he started pointing stuff out to me, you
know where it was like, no, Jay, it sounds like
this because of that, and I'm.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Like, ah, he is a piano keyer, you yeah.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
So, And I think the other part was just us trusting,
us trusting and having that respect of being like, Okay,
he know what he's talking about on this side of it.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
So I'm smiling just because I'm like, it's a real story.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Yeah, no, it is though talent, it really is man
and it has helped us.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Okay, back they can't wait to sing another verse of
road Story? Do we get to this one? Thing? Is it? Is? It? Is? It?
Is it time to go there?

Speaker 4 (47:01):
I think yeah, because let me think of there is
there anything?

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Because because like you do it with Why Don't We
Fall in Love? You do it with talking talking talking,
you do it and now it's time to do it again.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
Oh second album?

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Is there? Pressure?

Speaker 4 (47:24):
There was pressure, and you know what there was There
was a little bit of me learning like what I
really loved to because between the two albums, I did
a movie. And that's why I you know, because there's
there's writing and reading and writing, there's music, there's there's acting,
and that's when I learned that I liked acting. Third best,
I was like because I was on set, I went

(47:48):
into it like I'm really excited to do it and
it was a great experience. I was really excited to
do it. But I remember I was like, I really
need to get into the studio. When is this movie done?

Speaker 7 (47:58):
This is great?

Speaker 4 (47:59):
But when I was like, wow, you really like this,
but this is this lets you know where you prioritize it.
So the second album, one big thing I wanted differently
was I wanted to move, because that's what I actually
said in the first album I'm sorry, excuse me. The
first album, it was kind of like moody and a vibe. Actually,

(48:21):
a lot of people would come up to me and
they'd be like, whit, why don't we fall in love? Yes? Right,
But then they would also say and maybe I just died,
But then they would say, your personality feels so different,
Like I was expecting a different kind of vibe from
you when before I met you. I was like like what,
and they were like, I don't know, it's just like
more like chill because your album is so chill. And
I was like, yeah, that's the opposite of me actually,

(48:43):
but that's the side of me too. It's just different.
But I knew that at the time. I had told
Rich when we were creating it, I really want to
be on stage and I want to dance. I want
to dance, and I'm I'm into like rocking out on stage.
That's like what I want to do. We just hadn't
figured out what how do you do? Yeah? With the
music would because we were just going with the flow
of the music, and it wasn't that, so I was like,

(49:05):
we got to get it this second time around. So
I remember when he was playing that and a couple
other songs like for that project, and I wasn't really
sure where we were going with it at first, because
it was also like kind of confused. It was a
lot going on. I think I actually specifically said that
it's a lot going on. I was like, and even

(49:26):
just scratching here is probably how I felt inside, like
I don't understand what is going on. What's happening. Like sonically,
it's a lot, but it had that go go feel.
I could understand that. But then there was some other
moments because you know, Richard likes to flip a lot
of things, so it was like some other stuff happening,
and then then the melody is doing something else. I
was like, I gotta like I had to ride with

(49:47):
him a little bit for that because I was like,
I know this is dope, it's something special, but I
just don't understand.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
What that was was, because yeah, it wasn't a thing
that we had heard.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
Before and putting it together.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Let's the go go elements were in there, but that
wasn't go go and you.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Know DMV, so you know what I mean, It's like, yeah,
the elements are there, but other stuff happening. So it's
like what is ahead?

Speaker 1 (50:16):
What otherworldly? No, there was nothing like that, so it
could be hard to be like.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Because you take a chance.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
Yeah, I'm just trying to you know. It's not even
like I'm thinking as far as taking a chance at
that point, I'm like, I'm trying to understand what I'm
listening to, you like, what the process, what's happening? You
know what I mean. And then then I was like,
all right, let's do it. We started recording, and I
felt like there was something special, but I wasn't sure
what everyone else was going to think, because I didn't

(50:46):
know if everybody else would think kind of how I felt.
But I was a person who notoriously I don't notoriously
didn't get first listens. I do now. I remember like
growing up as a kid TLC read all all the
dope records. I was like, I don't get it, and
don't get me. I was just missing I don't get
it the first listen. So that's when I started to

(51:08):
change and come out of that. So I didn't know
if I wasn't getting it because that's just my usual
I don't get it, or if it's is just not
like ungettable, if that makes any sense. Even after we recorded,
I was like, I don't know what this is. I
was like, it feels great, Like the feeling of it
is great. I don't really know other people are gonna
get it because it also, you know, I don't have

(51:30):
like an eight O eight in there, and I love
eight o eights because I'm you know, also grew up
in Texas too, so to me, I would just listen
to you know, DJ Magic Mike there was a Magic
Mic or just d DJ Mike or just DJ Magic anyway.
It was like just basse. I was like, when I
grow up and I have a car, I'm gonna have
a car with base in it, and it's gonna be
like a lowrider with a bunch of base in it.
That's what I want. Like, that's that's it. Eight O waights.

(51:53):
So I would always ask Rich anyway, like where the drums?
That's what I used to always ask Rich Harrison, Who's like,
where are the drums? He was like, we're talking about
I was like, I don't hear the drums, you know
we're talking about. I was like, so, where's that. He's like, oh,
you're talking about he was like, he was like, oh,

(52:14):
you're talking about eight weights. I was like, yeah, can
we put some in this? He was like no. I
was like just try it.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
No.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
I think actually a couple of times he did put
them in there and like but I was like, oh,
He's like, okay, I did your eight awaights. I was like,
where is it. I was like, it's not doing them.
He's like, it doesn't go with this.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
One of the classes rattling in the truck I did.
I did that had been a whole different artist.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
I did, like you do you understand how how sonically
like as I like, as I'm just listening to this
these songs in my head replaying them, I don't know
who else could have sang them, because it needed a
certain texture and a certain energy in order for it

(53:10):
all to make sense. I don't think you were the
calm in the storm, right because because your voice wasn't
It wasn't the calm, but it was the constant, you know.
It was like it was like the thing that we
could reach to and hold.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
On to stuff and be making me feel like I
guess any artists like we'd be doing stuff because it's
like the way you said it makes it sound.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Like it's so think of it this way, right, If
it wasn't everything that I'm saying it was, it wouldn't
matter today, And it fucking matters. And you feel it
when you get on stage. You feel it when you
walking down the street, you know what I'm saying. You
feel it when you're outside now, you feel it when

(53:55):
they when they saw you at the Brandy and Monicatur
and he was on the Rise or the O. You
feel it because those those those moments in those songs
and and and what you did, they didn't matter. It
was it was classic. Did you know you were making classics?

Speaker 4 (54:16):
You know at the time. No, although we did have
a conversation, like Rich and I did have a conversation.
He was like, you know, it's gonna be class People
can say this is a classic album. That was the
first album though, But then we were also like, because
we do feel like it's a great album, and everyone's
first album is the introduction is always like the classic.
And I was like, I know, and then they're going
to be like, why don't you make another one like this.

(54:37):
We were having that conversation while we were still creating.
I didn't even have a record deal yet. It was
then they're gonna be like, why don't.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
You do it like the first time the album that's
not even out yet.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yeah, we got a record.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
It's gonna be a classic, right, And I was like,
I know. And then people are going to be like,
why don't you make more like this? And we're like,
that's what happens. It's the thing. He was like, get
ready and I was like yeah. I was like you
get ready. I did it, did we did, did it
and it It's been a great, a great journey. But
also I do feel like when we did put some

(55:07):
art into the world that didn't quite exist in the
way that it was when we put it out, and
that felt really good. Yeah, you are an originator, you
can the ego with part of me says yes, But
then there's another.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
On the Army Money podcast, Okay, because we're here to
celebrate you, and today it is okay for you to
celebrate yourself and it's okay for you to say, yes,
I did that.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
But even if I don't feel like it came, because
I feel like it's I feel like that art comes
It's not wrong.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
It's not wrong. Okay, let's say you were a vessel.
I was that vessel.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Come on, chose me?

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Okay, she said it, We got it. Let's make that
sound back. She said, nobody's better than her. She said
she's the greatest of all times. Earlier you said that

(56:11):
you had stepped away.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Yes, and you know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
You don't have to go heavy into super heavy into that,
but you know, is there is there a part of
the thought process, in the whys and the house, in
that space that you would like to share.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
I started a cult.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
No you did, I did?

Speaker 1 (56:31):
You? Did you start writing books?

Speaker 4 (56:34):
Yeah? I decided to write. Now it was a culture.
I created my own religion. Thinking no, I actually stopped
to write books. But the reason why one Something was
calling to me.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Right.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
I felt like somehow I wasn't fulfilled and I couldn't
put my finger on why that was. And then I
realized those two things that was one, and I realized
that I just felt at the time I couldn't see
the value on what I was doing. That's ultimately what
it was. I didn't realize till later, but I did
at the time, feel like there has to be it

(57:07):
has to be more than this. It has to be
more than just you know, I'm making some songs. I'm
on stage, I'm like, Okay, I feel pretty cute. Did
it dude to get me Ina da da dah and
that power that we talk about that when you like
you feel when you're on stage. But I was like, boo,
there has to be more, though, why why why why?
What's the where's the why? I didn't have the why.
At the time, I had the what and the how,

(57:28):
I didn't have the why, like what is the purpose
in this? And then at the same time, I was
feeling like I miss something, like I miss like papers
and like the smell of paper and the smell of books,
and there's there's so many things story. Then that was
before I realized I was missing story. Then I realized
I miss stories. And it's like, yeah, that's why I've

(57:48):
been trying to put these stories in these videos, but
they don't fit because the kind of video I want
to make is like astronomically expensive, like I want like
the snow that I need another planet. And you know what,
Chris rob And pulled it in for me because when
we did the video for Touch, I had told him.
I was like. He was like club, some dancing stuff,
you know, some sexy stuff, and I was like, yeah, sexy,

(58:10):
but also I need two moons. This is another planet.
We have landed on this other planet, we're another species.
I don't really know, but it still looks like human.
But we need to be somewhere else. And he was like,
I got you. I can at least. I was like,
tell me what you can do. I couldn't get all
the effects that I wanted because again, that was really
expensive and the story I wanted to tell was like

(58:31):
a little longer. But he did give me two moons
and he built a jungle in the parking lot, and
so when I got there, I was like, Okay, that's great,
but people won't really get that when they see the video.
They'll probably like see it kind of sorta and it's
like in the club and it's hot and sexy, but
there was also a story there, and I was like,
I can't tell the stories. Like I had another video.
I was like, it's post apocalyptic kind of mad Max vibes,

(58:53):
but I couldn't tell a story I wanted. I did
have me hanging off of a truck. Though there's a
lot of things that I want to happen, like I
want a lot of your stuff to pieces, but not
the full thing.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Fully tell that story.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Thank you?

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Was that your way of being like, girl, you're taking
too long to tell the story. I know it's hard
for me to articulate that sometimes that thank you for
leaving me back on the path. I couldn't tell the
stories that I wanted to, and so I was like,
you just I think you missed a story. You want
to write books, and you know what, this is a
good time anyway, because you're feeling like somehow you don't

(59:29):
know what the purpose is for this other thing, which
is music. Just step away for a while. Just do that.
And then I kept doing little things here and there
and put like a song out or something like that,
but I wasn't like really doing it. But I always
knew though I knew again the voice, you know, it's

(59:49):
not even the voice, it's just the others. The me,
the deeper me, was like, you know that this is
gonna come back around. I don't know when, but it
is going to come back around, and it's going to
be You're going to be in a place where you
really get it, and it's going to be better on
and so many levels because you're going to understand the why.
You're going to have your why eventually. But I didn't

(01:00:10):
know one that was going to be. And it turned
out to be like fifteen years later or fifteen depending
on how you look at it, fifteen twenty years later.
So now I get it, though, I get it, and
it took me a long time to understand essentially how
art is important and even though you're not caring cancer,
even though you're not a doctor saving lives, even though

(01:00:32):
you're not stopping wars from happening, you soundtrack the lives
of people. People are. We're human beings. We need to connect,
We need that energy, We need the music. That's why
you can never create the thing that people want that
people are like, they want the music that they heard
when they fell in love with you, whether it's your
first album or they found you on your second or

(01:00:53):
third album, that album for them was their introduction to you.
And the reason why you were introduced to them was
because they were going through something at that time where
your music resonated with that. You can't recreate that, you know,
I can't recreate that for someone because this is your experience.
This music was just giving you what you needed to
be you. So to ask me to recreate something is

(01:01:14):
asking me to make you feel like where you were then.
But that you can do that, I can't give you that.
I can only give you a marker like a sign post.

Speaker 5 (01:01:24):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
But once I understood how the music can touch people
in that way, in more than a theoretical way and
more than a oh the music that gets you know,
people through We knew that already when we got into
the music industry because we knew what that did for us.
But when I really understood what that was, I understood
the gift that it is. And it's like a gift

(01:01:46):
and it's also a service for people, and it's not
about you as an artist like to just like blow
up your own head or whatever. It's like you're in
this position to help someone and to spread good energy
or whatever energy somebody needs for their thing. So I
was like, I was like, see, that's why it's time.

(01:02:06):
That's why that's why the alignment alignment is happening now,
because now you understand that on a deep level versus
just feeling like it's about you just making records and
I'm very competitive actually, right, Like I always would approach
records as and the music business is a sport, you
know what I mean, and with like a lot of
like bravado inside not outside. But then I realized, too,

(01:02:29):
it's it's not really that. And I was never like
a rapper necessarily like how the rappers compete like in
hip hop. But it was like, so I kind of
knew art is you're always competing against yourself really, but
I just was missing that one why And then I
then I understood it more fully, and then I had

(01:02:52):
so I found my purpose and then I was like
it's time. I actually literally called Troy or I call
my manager at the time, and was like, hey, you
cause we had met with Troy already, Troy Taylor's who
we still kicked it off with, right, And I was like, yeah,
I guessaid. I had this epiphany in the kitchen and
I was like, that is now. I was like, okay,

(01:03:18):
it's now, I feel it. I called and was like
tell Troy, like ready to go in see what's going
on with his schedule. They're like, are you sure? You know?
You always you do these these things and you cancel it,
and you change your mind, you change your mind for years, right,
And I was like, no, this is time. It's like
for real time now. And I'm actually gonna call my agent.
I'm gonna let her know. I'm gonna put the book
club on hiatus. I'm gonna put them books down. And

(01:03:40):
I still love my books, you know, but for right now,
we're going focus on the music. Focus on the music.
I'm gonna go on hiatus for at least one year.
And I was like, because this is the time. Now,
I get it. I understand what I needed to understand.
Everything is timing, but it's not just random timing. It's
divine timing. And sometimes we can say like this is

(01:04:01):
this is divine orchestration, right, like like this is the thing,
but really everything is divine orchestration. Even when you stub
your foot, right, you stubb in your foot, or you
can't find your keys and you're trying to go out,
it's because you see, everything is like threaded through to perfection.

(01:04:24):
And some of the things that we call like oh
this was divinely orchestrated, it's just because it's a bigger signpost,
you know what I mean. It's like you come through
and it's like, fact, yes, I believe that we did it,
Like in our between lives, like I'm gonna go there
and this is the thing I have to learn. So
it's gonna be a lot of paths between this and this,
but I know this has to happen or I have

(01:04:46):
to meet that person or this particular hardship or whatever
it is has to happen. And in between it can
be all these threads, but there are threads between them.
But these are the things that are definitely gonna happen.
And those are the things that I think when we
kind of feel like we all have that thing where
we kind of knew we were going to get that
job or move to this place, It's like I just

(01:05:06):
kind of knew it. It's because it was already said
you know what I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Mean and that and that's what you have for us
now right.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
I'm sorry you lost me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
You said I missed that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
That would have been great. Sorry, That's what I told you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
The other that people have no idea how hilarious you are.
You're not even trying to be like you are hysterical
than what I'm saying is that you're why you know
why and you are in in that space as we speak,
I am, and you had something for us, yeah, because.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
I was like, wait, well, I was like to tell me,
was the scene today.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Like the stage play oh my first love? No? No,
But I'm just saying in terms of delivering, delivering us,
you know what I mean, you back in the music,
back in in this musical space that I know that

(01:06:22):
we know you belonging the book book club is awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
I love want, we want you back saying, and we're
glad that you are right. And then she's showing up
to the hood clubs.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
Yeah, I'm working on you got classes anyway, She in
classes in Atlanta, Guys.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
You know she she's you know what I'm saying. If
you're looking, she's doing it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:52):
She's around since we're on this music thing, since we
on this music thing, you know, and the research of
Amory back outside you have you have to define that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
For the people because apparent outside Netflix and Chill, I
thought Netflix Chill was really watching something and chilling. Yeah,
and it became something else, and it became something else.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
No, no, no, chilling can be Chill.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
Was never a Netflix and Chill.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
It was always been Netflix and chill, but everybody chills differently.

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
I just realized you got to get them definitions together.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
First, start saying, when you're outside, you grown ass woman.
When you go outside, you can do whatever you want
to do when you outside. Yeah, you have to define
that for nobody. Nobody to boss you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
I know I'm the boss. I literally told somebody that
the other day. Ship told you had that. He said,
that's literally my job. I said, why are you trying
to be the boss of me? He was like, that's
literally my job.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
All right, nobody, Ship, you're back.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
I'm outside outside in my way.

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
Put a record out, chatting putting music out. Yeah, and
I've seen it. We've talked about it. I've seen just
how just the type of energy that you got back
from different artists, from the public and just people that
are appreciative of the fact that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
You want to do it again.

Speaker 5 (01:08:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
How does that feel for you?

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
That feels you know, it's it is humbling, because I
never like to assume that people like, are you looking
at your phone?

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
You bored?

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
I'm so sorry that I'm not entertaining enough.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
No, okay, no, no, don't you do this.

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
I know that there's a very someone must have been
in the hospital. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Yeah, that's that's the only thing that would have They're
back to life though.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
No, But you know, you never know, Like it's like
I feel like sometimes like there's a few things going
on with me because on one hand, you know, know,
like if people like your stuff, I just mean just generally,
like if they like your music, not a particular song,
but maybe they just don't like it. Or I feel

(01:09:09):
like when I went when I went through this whole
experience of like becoming like a recording artist, it's not
like I was a kid doing it first, right, I
went to college, I went to high school. I worked
in like AFC, Like, hi, ow KFC, would you like
you know, would you like cool creamy dessert with that?
You know, we had to ask that at the end.
I had like these very like Americana type situation growing.

(01:09:30):
I was a backer at the grocery store, you know
what I mean. Like, so for me to come into
it was not like I never confused it for who
I am is what I do making music is who
I am. Being an artist. I am an artist, like period, right,
You're just an artist. But I never felt like when
I got in the music business, like this is who

(01:09:51):
I am. It's like, oh, this is what I do,
and people love me. But what they really mean is
that they love how I make them feel. So I
never got it twisted right. So to feel like getting
the love that I that I get, it always feels
like surprise to me. And it also feels unexpected, you know,

(01:10:12):
like oh wow, really like it's something I don't know. Well,
I hope I don't lose that because then maybe I
would be taking that for granted. So I think I'm
still getting used to it. Probably, Sorry, it was just
giggling because it's different from the ladies and the fellas. Sometimes,

(01:10:36):
why are you looking like that? Because you know, my
fan base is like sixty percent men. Actually, most R
and B is like women fan base, but my fan
base is oddly like half and half with a little
bit more male. So you know what I think it is.
I think it actually is because it's a really great

(01:10:56):
blend of hip hop and R and B. As far
as like when it came out, like the sound at
that time, a lot of guys that didn't listen.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
To Yeah, I feel weird as a man, you don't
feel weird.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
I got a lot of that, Like, you know, I
don't normally listen. I don't normally do this, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Think it's a I think another great new great part
of that is you've and it's weird. I don't know,
maybe maybe you've kind of figured this out on purpose.
But it's like being sexy, being beautiful, but not being sexualized.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
Like I told you on the outside of the New Day.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
You want, it's a thing where it's never it's never
been viewed as as extra or.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
I like so much, or that's what I actually told
my team when I first came out. I was like,
listen one, I don't. I was like, I'm in charge
of me. I was like, I definitely am all for
I love short shorts. You already see me in my
short shorts. I wore short shorts in school. But if
I any bikini stuff, it's kind of because I want
to do it. I'm not gonna let anybody just go

(01:12:04):
in and try to sell me or whatever, which actually
was cool because actually the label actually was kind of
more like Donnie Einer was the head of the label
at the time. He actually thought that the cover of
my back cover of the album was too much. It
was like it was really just like kind of what
would be equivalent to boy shorts or biker shorts, like
to hear with my legs out from the side. It
was a great pick. But he was like, what is

(01:12:25):
this I heard about the meeting? What is this all?
Oh the thing?

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
You're like he wasn't pleased, but I was me and
that's what I wanted. So for me, it was like
really important to like, oh, my own sexuality, you know
what I mean. But then I also told them too,
my personality. I was like, I'm not a hard sexy person.
That's not my vibe. My vibe is more like soft
sexy and more sensual. Like that's as far as like

(01:12:51):
an aesthetic. So as long as we stay in that direction,
I'm gonna be good. And so you guys know who
I am a great great job of that, thank you.
And I don't want to lead with that though. I
was like, let's remember it's about the music, because I
don't want it why.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
I think the music was able to do it do
what it did because it wasn't It wasn't anything overshadowing it.
Mm hm, you know what I mean. It was like
I said before, it was a good blend of all
those things.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
So we're happy because we don't like when we don't
like when our classic artists are on around. We just don't.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
Yeah, No, I think I feel like so happy because
I feel like people are really appreciating R and B.
And you have so many artists, you know, who are
really doing it. But there's so like I feel like
I almost like a resurgence of fans, like the brand
new fans with like the TikTok era. There's so many
people who are getting exposed to the music and appreciating it.
So it's like new all over again, which is amazing.

(01:13:48):
And you know, let's let's be real. So so many
of us, so many artists pretty much look the same.
I can name so many guys and so many girls
that that or you know, men and women, female artists,
male artists who who do look the same. And so
it's like that kind of helps I think, connect with
like the different generation or whatever. So everyone's just doing

(01:14:11):
their thing and I'm I'm happy for that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
I'm happy to be a part of different than they
did back in the day. It's a different time, different times.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
I think it's like a different music, a different makeup.
I was just thinking that because I don't know what
it is. I think it's you know what I think
it could be. I think a lot of aging has
to do with your mentality, and I think with music,
music keeps you young. But also like our like culturally
just generally across the population, we kind of back in

(01:14:41):
the old days, like our parents and their parents, they
would listen to different music from what the kids were
listening to. Now everyone kind of listens to the same music.
We're kind of wearing the same clothes. We kind of
you're allowed to kind of still in your mind be
feeling like whatever you feel without feeling like you have
to now you're this and now you're having to look

(01:15:02):
like that. Yeah, it's just like more like growing into yourself.
But you know, aging and stuff, that's like it's all
like a matter of mind too. I mean I say
that slight digression, just very slight, I promise you know,
because I was talking to my dad about like aging
like just programming, and they were like, you know, even
when people sing happy Birthday, those are all like little

(01:15:23):
programs because it gets to a person's mind, oh, you're this,
and aging means that and another year older versus like
time existing on a certain level on this plane, but
not really you know what I mean. It's like it's
not not totally. A lot of it is programming. And
my Dad's like, well, you know, things get older. I
was like, they do, Daddy, but think about it, alligators,
think about trees. I was like, there's this one little

(01:15:44):
like squid or something like that. I think it's like exolotols.
I can't even pronounce the word. But that little squid
goes from like a poll up in the ocean and
starts to have little legs, swims about, and then once
it hits a certain point, the legs start to retract
and it reverse ages back into a little pile up
a little dot, and then it starts over again. So

(01:16:05):
the scientists aren't really sure how long that lives. I
say that to illustrate the concept that aging as we
see it, aging as we think it is not just
like this chronological, single directional thing. It's a lot of it.
There's so many different possibilities on a physical level. That's
before you even enter like the mind body connection to it,

(01:16:28):
like the spiritual aspect to it, just on a physical level.
And then you want to talk about like in the
ancient times when people were living to be like three hundred,
four hundred, five hundred, six hundred years old. For reasons
we won't get into on this podcast because I make
it too long and too much of a digression.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
But yep, you're gonna have to show up on time
next year because.

Speaker 8 (01:16:52):
I'm saying that to me right now, available right he's
about to act really talented and play us the selection
hopefully soft and sexy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
Something soft and sexy, because that's my five as I
play these soft and sexy tunes.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
Oh no, and now it's getting to the part that
I was anxious about.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
We're not going to be anxious at all. We're going
to be.

Speaker 9 (01:17:22):
Soft and just come questions sexy things you might want
to know. Okay, doing our soft and sexy mode and vibe. Wait,
there's information that we need. The people want to know
what they want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Chair A, Marie, what yourd.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Top five? Your top five is soft and sexy, top five, Joy.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
To the easy thing.

Speaker 7 (01:18:04):
Guys, already soul. We've got to do big thought you
were on.

Speaker 10 (01:18:15):
This up selling body. No, yes, the top tap.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Your top f Nay, Marie, it's top five. R and B.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
Singers, okay, Top five R and B singers well, Mary J. Blige,
Michael Jackson, Yes, Marvin Gay, I'm naming my these are
my influences.

Speaker 5 (01:19:17):
You're right.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
David Ruffin had an opportunity to tell his son that,
like years ago, I was like your dad. I was
like your dad, like a big influence. That's also with
my dad's favorite singers as well. Number five is hard
because Sam Cook is another influence of mine. Like Marvin
Gay really influenced me as far as like his wall

(01:19:43):
of sound, his melodies, his approaches like those background vocal
like vocal arrangements, but Sam Cooks simplicity and a lot
of these are like my dad's influences too, or as
far as like from his once Sam Cook. What I
really got from Sam, what I learned from him was

(01:20:04):
that you don't have to do a lot of vocal acrobatics.
It was like the simple, like clean delivery. But the
reason why I'm like, oh, it's like an asterisk because
I could say Sam Cook, but then I also want
to put in oh, it's R and B Okay, okay,
because what I was about to say it was not
R and B though, was like like the Grease soundtrack,
like that time like kind of like or like haull

(01:20:30):
of Notes, you know what I mean? Like there's those
kind of R and B kind of sometimes you want
to who who? I think it would be like haul
of notes. M that's there's a duo. Oh no, I can't,
mister Sam Cook. I gotta have Sam, yes, because he
really taught me a lot because I used to think, like, man,

(01:20:52):
I don't really do a lot of those vocal acrobatics
like when I was in high school and should I try?
But I was like, no, you shouldn't. I was like,
and I would listen to him a lot to be
like just capture, capture that. Okay, you'll feed that right,
all right?

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Okay, okay, Top five R and B songs.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
No, okay, Moments of Love. That's the instrumentation. I don't
know if it's R and B but kind of right, okay,
almost love. There's so many great ones. Man, Mary's whole

(01:21:31):
like My Life album. But if she did she did
that used the sample that whole album, that whole album,
but I think for her it was called maybe it
was on Did she call it All Night Long? Too?

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
I always did because I just knew the sample, So.

Speaker 4 (01:21:49):
No, we're gonna go with real Love because that's that's
when I was introduced her, and I was like, what
is this? What is this sound? What was this? Yeah?
That that would change? So as a moments of love,
real love, there's so many I can't just say an artist, no,
this is the songs? Okay, cry for you? Why maybe?

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Why don't because.

Speaker 4 (01:22:12):
It's just so great? What's going on? Marvin Gaye? Yeah,
what's the what's this title? If this? Well, Mama Leleve
Andrew Wilson and I don't think he did a duet
version too, or they added no no no yeah yeah.

(01:22:33):
But also I think samit Terrell and Marvin did that too.
But I love the Luther version. Both of those were good.
Did they do? There were the two versions? You guys know,
you guys know everything.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
We don't know everything, but okay, there were two versions.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
And Marvin and Luther, right, Okay, Well I'll go with
that song because they're both of the versions were good.
Dangs that five already because I was gonna also say
herd through the Grapevine too, that's kind of old.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Okay, Top eight, Okay, let's make a vulture on your
super R and B artists, Right, you got to pick
any artists ever in the history of articism and get
the vocal, performance, style, styling, passion of the artists.

Speaker 5 (01:23:22):
A lot.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
This question here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
So where you're going to get the vocal from to
make your super R and B artist one vocal? You're
making the best artist ever one vocal.

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
But there's so many different flavors, but really one. I
almost want to say what maybe might have to go for?
Maybe Michael Jackson Jackson Jackson sold, Yeah, okay, sold.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Okay, all right, all right, you sure.

Speaker 4 (01:23:51):
I'm going to be unsure. I'm already letting you know.
This is walking into this with uncertainty.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Okay, we're gonna We're gonna go Jason, Michael Jackson performing style.

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
These are and women, right, So speaking in essence just.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Greatness, I would say Chris Brown.

Speaker 9 (01:24:12):
Hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
I would asking Chris Brown.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Like styling, the styling, the drip of the artist.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
It's gonna get flying styling.

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
I want to look to a woman for this, mm wait, styling,
like is it stage styling? Stage styling? I would say
Beyonce or Share or something, right, because that could be
and and this could be a male artist too, So

(01:24:43):
I would say that taking the essence if we're looking
at if someone's imagining a male artist, taking the essence
of what they're bringing to the styling, and if we're
a female artist and taking the blend of a Share
and a Beyonce. Yeah, yeah, actually, because Beyonce does a
lot of the razzle dazzle already and Shared does that too,

(01:25:06):
So I would say Beyonce and Rihanna gets a little
bit bringing in two different elements.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Yeah, little blend, different kind of blend, different blend. Because
you're outside, I know where you're going with this. I
don't what's going on. The passion of the artists, who
means it, who makes you believe it, who works hard,
gives it everything they got, leaves it all out there

(01:25:32):
on the stage. James Brown, it's been a lot of James,
has there a lot of James Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
The original Brown, a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
Of Jams Because I was actually I was actually considering
switching the two, but because it was that leaves it
on the stage like that. But then I was like no,
because I know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
There I was.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
I was like, I gotta go old, old school, not old,
but go old school. Back when people were like going
out there and fainting and then pulling the cake and
then yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
Okay, I love it full sweat. I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:26:13):
Okay, was there another one?

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
I got that completed? That was pretty good, if I
do say so myself. Yes, I mean I have to
add myself in there somehow and nes not. We're not
being hung.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
I couldn't because I'd be like, oh, there's you were
getting money. I'm sorry you were getting money for this.
They were like, where's my money?

Speaker 9 (01:26:34):
Amy?

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
I'm like, oh, wait, what else you got by cheap?

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Here we go. I ain't saying no nature. I ain't
saying no names. Yeat, ain't saying no name. Was what
you did? Don't say she? I ain't saying no name.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
So we are at the very, very very important part
of the show.

Speaker 4 (01:27:10):
No, I was so nervous.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
A lot of people nervous. Don't be nervous because.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
I feel like, I don't know this story. But you
guys have great stories.

Speaker 5 (01:27:19):
Hold me great stories. Now just take the names out.
Will you tell us a story funny or fucked up?
Are funny and fucked up? The only rule to the
game is you can't say the names. Come on tell
us all the come.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
On you, I have not.

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
We've talked about that. I don't believe in blocking people.
I just pretended to see them.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
It's a whole other type of.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
Block, okay, because don't want to make anyone feel bad.
But if I haven't seen it with these chances that
I actually haven't seen it though, just putting that out there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Okay, So this is a Marie. I ain't saying a
name names.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
Well, what time at band camp? I'm kidding, Okay. So
I was, I was doing the show. There was an
over gentleman that was part of the show, and I
walked down. They left their dressing room open, and there
was just you know, they're chilling there. Story's not going
where people think. But I just like, you know, I
just want to say hi. So I was like, oh,

(01:28:18):
I just want to say hig because it was open
people coming in and out, and I saw them fixing
their hairline with a sharpie m and I said, oh,
you know, mister such and such, there's like products for that.
I seen, like the guys do their lineups. And he

(01:28:40):
was like, there's this worked for me for you, I'm
gonna keep on using it. And I was like, well,
He was like, don't come up when you sweat, and
I was like, well, is this good? It is staged
this far. I was like, but they do have products,
but whatever works for you, and that was it. See
I told you it wasn't that like major he was hating.

(01:29:02):
I wasn't hating on it, but there was. It was
really I was really like shocked because I was like,
they do actually have product. But you know, his lineup
was clean, he had he had perfected it. It was
a black shark, like a black one, not even dark
brown like black.

Speaker 5 (01:29:19):
It was like it had to go with the rest
of the die, so it had to be.

Speaker 4 (01:29:25):
But then I was like, it makes sense. When I
started thinking, I looked at other pictures because I had
to go back and see. And I was like.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
The fact that you called him mister miss.

Speaker 4 (01:29:42):
Like this, I don't know what to call gentleman.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
There are products for that. You're a barber. To get
you the magic, the right magic. You need help.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
I know a few, get some sharp.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
He works in a mind.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
Use a little magic myself every now.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
He works in a bhind.

Speaker 4 (01:30:04):
No, it doesn't, it does. If it's dark. If you're
going on a date, don't do if you're going on a.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
Date, don't trust her to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
Oh yeah, like mister such and such, I don't know
that the agent what you want to say? Do older
men not like it when you say, mister ever call.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
Me all day love?

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
Mister I come from the color purple?

Speaker 4 (01:30:28):
Down was mister, But like I was like, how about daddy?
That's actually another Now we're just going on somewhere, but
y'all aren't y'all are guys? I should ask because we
have this whole conversation with girls since we're talking about
I don't even know how we got to that. Oh
cause you call me mister all you want? That made
me think, daddy, Like, what do you think about when
women call men daddy?

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
There's a time and place.

Speaker 4 (01:30:54):
But not just generally no, like daddy.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
Can I have a or a significant Yeah? But random?

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Absolutely no, not random.

Speaker 4 (01:31:02):
I'm talking about if that's that's the.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Person, the significant Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:06):
Okay, So anyway, some people think it's gross. Some people
that was also talking to a bunch of women. So
this is my first time I'm asking men what do
you think about that? Because it was the poppy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
See I'm not Spanish, don't call me poppy.

Speaker 4 (01:31:18):
Not poppy, but dad.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Yeah, I'm saying I'm black. Call me Dad, What are
your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
I live in my provider's space.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
You like it, see I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
Whatever you want to say, whatever you want it. Alive
in that provider space, you can call it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:31):
I've never tried that. I did go to Coachella with
my dad. They were like, white, take your dad at Coachella.
I was like, this was my first time going to Coachella,
and I was like, I want Daddy to, like, you know,
experience it. But when we were there, I would say,
you know, okay, Daddy, let's go Daddy. And I was like, I.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Can't insurprising people that thought people a couple.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
Of years look a little. And I was like, Daddy,
I can't call you that here.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Dad.

Speaker 4 (01:31:54):
You heard.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
That he put the bad Anna. Ladies and gentlemen, listen.
First of all, thank you, thank you, thank you. We
appreciate you being here. We appreciate the classics, we appreciate

(01:32:19):
the newness. We really appreciate that. We are happy you
were back.

Speaker 4 (01:32:24):
Thank you. It feels it feels really good to be back.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
And then here and you're coming back to perform for
us at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
I am right there. Get the lighting right, because I
know how you feel about lighting.

Speaker 4 (01:32:39):
Yeah, and the lighting is really great.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Yeah, get you right.

Speaker 4 (01:32:43):
It's kind of like professional.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
If you look around man, shout out to the sun rose. Yeah.
Taking care of us man, But we thank you and
and you already know anytime you need us, we'll call away.

Speaker 4 (01:32:59):
I am going to remember that, you know, because jo
I will be like, so I'm thinking about this. We
think about that.

Speaker 5 (01:33:05):
Easy I take the car, you know that easy work.
There it is, ladies, gentlemen, my name is Tank, I'm
Jay Valentine and.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
This is the Army Money Podcast, the authority on all
things R and B. This has been music in Books
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Speaker 5 (01:33:27):
Thank you