Erica Campbell

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 4 (00:23):
Come on on all things.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
And oh my god, your vocals, oh shackles off my feet.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
So he's got it's gotta be the guy.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
In between my say sensual moments.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
I take time, huh to give the Lord.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
His just due.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
And today is to day we are gonna get Jay
Valentine saved today. Call today gotty whip for who we
got in the building. I can't say enough about this
young lady, a Grammy Award winning I mean, changing the
trajectory of a message, showing God in a way that

(01:16):
is just just the way I'd love to see it.
And she's here the first time I'm gonna say the
first Ladies, Erica Campbell of Mary Larry's in.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
The Pillar, thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:33):
Glad to be here, Glad to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Finally, I remember coming here, moving to La in two thousand.
Good friends of mine, good friends of all of us.
Rapture at the time was my musical director and producing
all this music for us East seats. Everybody nice to

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go over the raption and church and hang out with
them all the time. You know what I'm saying, still
trying to keep my church ways as I've moved out
into California, you know. And and Rapture was like, man,
you gotta you gotta hear these girls called Mary Mary.
I was like, Mary married the names. I was like,

(02:24):
I don't know about that name, but the gospel they crazy.
And Warren is produced, I said, Warren, like Warren Warren, Yeah,
it it's crazy. I was like, this a right, Like,
what kind of gospel is it? Though, I'm telling you
it's different. You gotta see it. You guys jumped on
that scene, and I was my prayers had been asked,

(02:51):
I have. I'm having the same conversation with you that
I had with Kirk when I said, that's what I
was trying to hell everybody, that's what we should do.
We our message it should be competitive, Absolutely, it should be.

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It should be fightd.

Speaker 7 (03:14):
So if we, I think, if we serve the creator
of the universe, right, what did creation look like when
he said let there be stars, and stars just appeared
the whole galaxy? What did that look like when he
made birds and whales?

Speaker 6 (03:28):
And elephants. It was a show. It's the best show
you ever seen, right.

Speaker 7 (03:33):
So then why do I have to sing about God
and be boring and little ashy?

Speaker 6 (03:39):
And you know what I mean? God?

Speaker 7 (03:42):
So when Mary Mary first came out, we were at
the salon getting our hair done and the CD cover
was on the table and this guy was like, oh, man,
who was this?

Speaker 6 (03:51):
They fine?

Speaker 7 (03:52):
I was like, that's gospel music. He was like, saying gospel.
I said, why can't it be gospel? He said, because
gospel is old, fat and bored. And I said, well,
do I look old, fat or boring? He was like, ah,
I said, that's me. I sen gospel.

Speaker 6 (04:06):
He was like, oh, okay, okay, I want to check
it out.

Speaker 7 (04:08):
And he you know, I think a lot of people
were just not expecting girls that looked like us to
be saying about the Lord. But I mean, I don't
think we were the first ones to look like us
that same gospel though.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Well, in our fairness, you kind of were in leading
the charge of like, you know, because there are rules.
I come from a Baptist church. There are rules. There
were rules in terms of what women could wear, and

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we were rule breakers.

Speaker 7 (04:42):
We were rule breakers my father was a rule breaker
and so it wasn't foreign to me. So my father
did street ministry. So we were always like at the
park with the gangs and the you know, and we
were telling them about Jesus, but we didn't go in
long white dresses looking.

Speaker 6 (04:58):
Corny, you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (04:59):
And then and our youth ministry was full of beautiful
young girls. Like dudes used to come to our church,
and my aunt would say, invite them all, just don't
sleep with them, you know what I mean, Like, yes,
they can come, you know. So this this subject of
faith filled and also being cute.

Speaker 6 (05:16):
And you know, I don't think sexy is a bad
word for Christian A lot of people.

Speaker 7 (05:21):
Think it is. And sexy doesn't mean sexual. It doesn't
mean I'm sleeping everybody. It means I'm attractive. It means
that God put me in this package and so I
don't have to run from it or cover it up
because I'm singing about him.

Speaker 6 (05:32):
I think all of this was on purpose, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 7 (05:35):
And so when you look at it like that, it
doesn't mean that if you don't look like this, you
can't do. This is just my story in my path,
but my goal was to always let people see Jesus
in a different light, because you know, on TV, it's
the corny scene, you know what I mean, it's just's
church is always portrayed. It's this uncool thing and people
think it's the coolest when it's unchurched.

Speaker 6 (05:55):
I disagree.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
You and you guys, let you young ladies. And Kirk
brought the the freedom of it of being cool.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Yeah, and look, but I think.

Speaker 7 (06:12):
It was the honesty about we're not perfect, so what
we weren't never trying to pretend to be more than
we were.

Speaker 8 (06:19):
It was.

Speaker 7 (06:19):
It was hard because I was a hardcore church girl,
grew up Evangelistic Church of God in Christ one hundred
and eleven Street, Englewood, California, went to church seven days
a week.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
And so.

Speaker 7 (06:39):
For Jesus playing no games, no, but yeah, it was
street ministry. We knew that there were people that didn't
speak Christianese, that didn't go to church. How do we
tell them about this loving God that will take them
as they are.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
You don't have to.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
Clean yourself up, He'll do all the work.

Speaker 7 (06:56):
So I just wanted to make sure that we presented
in a way where people got it. And I actually
was greatly inspired by. I remember saying the Clark Sisters
on the Grammys. I remember being blown away. I remember
watching BB and CC going man, one day, I'm gonna
get a chance. I remember going to a I think

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it was, might have been the GMWA, might have been
some conference where Kirk was there, and I just wanted
to be in somebody's choir.

Speaker 6 (07:24):
I tried to sing with John p Key. I sent
him a tape. I didn't get in. I tried to
be one of the Kirk Carr singers. I wasn't good enough.

Speaker 7 (07:31):
I didn't get in, and I think it was because
God was saying, no, I have something else for you,
because I you know, when you have this view of church.
And I had a great respect and admiration for the
singers and what they did. And so while I loved them,
I knew I wasn't them, but I knew that was
the standard.

Speaker 6 (07:45):
But I also have my.

Speaker 7 (07:46):
Father, who is this buff dude who's cool in the neighborhood,
who all the gang members want to talk to him
when they're dealing with issues with their girl or whatever
they're going through. And I was like, man, this is
so cool that he can do that, and still be
so respected. He's not the hornball. Did that they like, Ah,
you don't know, they knew he understood them, And that's
always my prayer. I want you to know that I

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get you. I understand brokenness. I understand you know, not
having growing up poor, you know what I mean. And
that was a great conflict for me for a long time.
Like y'all keep saying, God, I'm gonna make a way
out of no way. Y'all are still poor. And so
this unrealistic faith that just talked about what I was
going to get and not my responsibility in my life
is how me and Tina tried our best to relate

(08:29):
to and Warren. Of course we couldn't do it without
Warren to relate to this world who has this big
divide between my life and God and what that can
be when they don't know it's all intertwined.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
All the time. Yes, I just feel like you, as
he said, the youth right, which is so very important.
I think you just really stayed true to who you were.
Oh yeah, and your message is your message, but who
you are, how you grew up your surround style, all

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of these things I can I can be me and
and serve him that that that is and that that
is the the the relatable, intangible. That just made so
much sense for me. I was like, that's that's thirty
ninth street from me right there, That's that's Forestville, Maryland

(09:24):
for me right there, Like, that's that's it, it's it's
it's when Jesus sent them out to by two into
the street the street ministry.

Speaker 6 (09:34):
Should you pastor he'll up the church, sir.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Offak, I keep a couple of but for the Lord,
keep a couple of buts tho the.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
Lord, I can't stand it. Just but send disciples out.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
He sent them out to the to the street.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Like, and so when you when you're sending somebody to the.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Street, they got to be equipped for they have to be.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
They gotta be they got to be connected to that
in order to survive that place.

Speaker 8 (10:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (10:10):
Yeah, you can't go like this.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
You know, a fake when you see one.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Right right right where.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
You're from, right and what you're gonna say.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
And it's so funny because of my style of gospel,
I'm always that's always who I encounter.

Speaker 6 (10:27):
I remember one year b ET Awards.

Speaker 7 (10:29):
You know, they do the press room and if you're
nominated and performing, you go and do the press.

Speaker 6 (10:33):
So they happened to put Mary Mary on Hip Hop Day.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
So it is every hip hop artist in you know,
the mid two thousands, and so you know they're like,
praise the Lord, Mary, Marry their eyes floating, you know,
up everywhere other than my eyes.

Speaker 6 (10:48):
Praise the Lord, God bless you. You know what the
Mary's doing here on.

Speaker 8 (10:54):
This day.

Speaker 7 (10:55):
But because I'm strong in my faith and I'm strong
in who I am, and I'm from Ingle, and I
don't play them kind of games, you know what I mean.
I knew how to be cool in the room and
just say what's up and how you doing? And I
knew their music, they knew mine. You know, most of
them either had a grandmother or auntie as somebody who
grew up in church. So it's always like my girl
love you. And I would say, well you don't ye, yeah,
you don't need shackles off your feet. Oh that's right,

(11:17):
that's right, Okay, okay, my grandmother did you listen to
you know what I'm saying. And so being able to
just kind of talk to people just on a human level,
I think is what allowed our music to reach the
people that it reaches. I was just doing my solo thing.
I was in New York somewhere is soho, and I
thought this dude was trying to talk to me.

Speaker 6 (11:37):
He was like, hey, hey, you know, and I was like,
you know, I was like, he was like, you seeing
gospel music, right? I say yeah.

Speaker 7 (11:47):
He was like, I know you're doing your solo thing.
Wo let you let me know. He knew that I was.
He was aware of ye career. So he's like, I
know you're doing your solo thing. He was like, but
what you and your sister do? The streets need what
y'all do?

Speaker 6 (11:58):
He was like, and so you know, we waiting on y'all.

Speaker 7 (12:01):
And I just really appreciated that, and it let me
know the value of you know, singing gospel music and
unorthodox places in unorthodox ways that does not always get
accepted by church people.

Speaker 6 (12:12):
Because I have had church.

Speaker 7 (12:14):
People, Lord Jesus, some of the things that they have said,
some of the man you know. But the good thing
about me, I don't care that much. So I don't
always remember their names. I don't always remember I just
know that you don't like me. That means I'm not
assigned to you. Is somebody else, For you can listen
to somebody else, But I know who I'm assigned to,
and I'm okay with that.

Speaker 6 (12:35):
So I've never spent my career trying.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
To please like me.

Speaker 6 (12:38):
Please do you like me? Do you think I'm good enough?

Speaker 1 (12:41):
No?

Speaker 7 (12:41):
God gave me this talent, He opened that door, and
when I stand before him, you won't be there.

Speaker 6 (12:45):
He won't ask you did you like what she did?

Speaker 7 (12:47):
So my job is to make sure that I'm authentic
to who he's called me to be, singing where he's
called me, even if that's collaborations with non gospel people,
even if it's other rooms. If he has put me there,
then I'm there to be a light, to plan a seed,
to be a room changer. And so I stand confident
in that, not saying that I'm never, you know, shyer
and secure, because I have been like God, can you just.

Speaker 6 (13:08):
Give me like a regular gospel song? Why does it
have to be?

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Like?

Speaker 6 (13:11):
I love God?

Speaker 7 (13:11):
Now they gonna beat me up more, And then when
I try to the churchy things like a little more Jesus,
they'll be like this ain't your style.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
So I'd be like, you can't win.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
So I'll just be Erica Erica.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Before you go and see that, though, I just want
to say for me, and obviously you've seen obviously what
we had your husband on.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
This, yes, yes, and it's my guy and you know
how we go back and forth.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
But I think y'all style of music, of gospel music
was really important for someone like me who didn't grow
up in church and to still get the word through that,
but to still be relatable to me, right, because I
think there were times where I was the guy who

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looked at the gospel music, the gods music scene are
you know, or even the church in itself as this
place that wasn't that was wasn't.

Speaker 6 (14:04):
Very welcoming, wasn't welcoming.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
I got you to me because it didn't it didn't
feel like me, And that could have been something that
I just conjured up in my mind like ah, well yeah,
like you said, it's not cool because I don't really
see myself there. But as I started to see myself there,
it became something that it was more relatable to me,
and it made it made the transition easier to listen to.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
And even a record like Shackles because it was knocking, you.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Know what I mean, So that record I felt like
I wasn't the only person that it affected that way,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
And I just want to say thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
You know what I mean, because it is it is
absolutely something that I needed personally as well to hear
and to And I was never a closed minded person,
so much like I don't do this and all of that,
but it was just something that I wasn't tapped into.

Speaker 7 (14:55):
Your emotions about a thing or your idea about a
thing can determine whether you will accept it receive it.
Like if you go to a restaurant and somebody told
you the food is nasty and the service is bad.
With you walking, you're expecting trash.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
Yes, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (15:09):
And a lot of times when it comes to faith
in God, people have heard horrible things, seen horrible examples.
So you're not even open to the beauty of connecting
to the creator of the universe because you've got sister
so and so said, and this person said, I don't
serve them and they've got their own journey for whatever reason.
I don't take people personal either. I think you're doing

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that as a reflection of you, not me. So it
allows me to walk in the room not looking for
Oh are they gonna like me?

Speaker 6 (15:35):
And you know, if you already negative, you're probably gonna.

Speaker 7 (15:38):
Give me that negative injury because you negative, not because
there's anything wrong with me, And so me presenting the
gospel has allowed me to be able to do that.
I remember we were in London and we were doing
this huge club and Cisco went on before us, singing
the Thong song and at that time, right dumps like

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a truck. So we're like, we at this time we
open with thingsk you Lord, I'm going Tina, we gonna
do that, right.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
She was like, it's what we do, right.

Speaker 7 (16:12):
So we came on and sang that into thankful and
then we sang shackles and you know what I mean.
We had a good time, and at that time we
knew that this wasn't which I was expecting. So we
would jump off this stage, we would put mikes in
people's mouth, We was dancing with people, and it was like,
this is the coolest gospel.

Speaker 6 (16:27):
I've ever heard.

Speaker 7 (16:28):
But we were never afraid of that. I knew that
it wouldn't be received well by church people. But where
is light most.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
Effective in the dark?

Speaker 7 (16:39):
Where do they need this light? In this love most
in places where I'm gonna feel better by this drink.
I'm'na feel better by sleeping with this person. This is
gonna make me feel I no, no, If I do this,
this is gonna make me feel better.

Speaker 6 (16:49):
And this gospel music says you can feel better because
you are a human being.

Speaker 7 (16:53):
And without all of that, you're still amazing, wonderful, valuable
and necessary to this world. And so when your music
brings value to people life, they kind of forget the
misconceptions of, oh, this is actually a gospel chack talking
to me. You know what I mean, because I'm not
bringing the judgment, I'm not bringing the you better and
follow all of these rules, right, any rule I don't follow,
there is grace for me. Anytime I fall, there is

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grace for me. There's understanding for me.

Speaker 6 (17:17):
God has people won't.

Speaker 7 (17:18):
And I tell people, you got to stop expecting people
to give you what God said he.

Speaker 6 (17:22):
Will give you.

Speaker 7 (17:23):
He never told us to trust people. He said, trusting
the Lord with all your heart.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Right.

Speaker 7 (17:27):
And so if I trust him, I can trust him
even if I'm in a room full of haters. I
can trust him, even if I'm walking into areas I've
never been in before, because if he's assigned me to it,
he's equipped me for it. I'm prepared for it, and
no devil in Hell can stop me.

Speaker 6 (17:42):
That's just what I believe.

Speaker 7 (17:43):
So my church perspective on people going in hearing the
music is maybe a little bit different than somebody. I
don't have the come in clean or stay away dirty. No,
my uncle wasn't.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
Highly educated, but he was so annointed. He said, let
him come, let him come.

Speaker 7 (17:57):
Smelling how they smell. We know what it was last night.
It's okay, let him come. And the choir was singing.
We would love on them and we would talk to
them and they'd be like, man, this place is pretty cool.
I remember it was a very big drug dealer in
Englewood that would go to our church all the time,
and he would always be like, man, I like it here.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Now.

Speaker 7 (18:13):
He ain't necessarily stop selling drugs, but you know, he
came to church all the time and he would You
could you could see him changing. You could see him
trusting and believing that I could really like do something
different with my life, like this ain't the only way
I can take care of my family. And he just
kept coming and my pastor would say, don't bother, leave
him alone.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Because everybody knew.

Speaker 6 (18:34):
Everybody knew we yeah, we knew.

Speaker 7 (18:36):
You know, some people scared, you know, because we was
in a blood neighborhood and just all of that. And
he'd be like, no, leave them alone, let him come.
And so there's a lot of people that would come.
I remember this one girl came to our choir rehearsal
and she was like, I know, I'm not supposed to
be here, and I got drugs in my pocket and
a gun and if y'alln't pray for me, I'm gonna
kill somebody right now. We stopped cire rehearsal and prayed

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for her. She's still in the faith right now. You know,
it's not perfect, but still to this day. And she said,
I've never been to a place where they expected accepted
me that way.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
And that's what I believe that I felt listening to
the music was acceptance, because that I think that's from
the outside of it. The biggest deterrence is not thinking
that it's going that you're going to be accepted in
this space because of maybe where you come from or
how you're living, or you know what I mean. Those
different things that where goes back to judgment. Yeah, nobody

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wants to be judged, you know what I mean. People
can say that it's going.

Speaker 6 (19:35):
To judge everybody.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
We judge everybody, but nobody really wants to be judged.
And then you're and then you're also not going toward judgment.
Like if you know, like okay, across the street, right,
they about to read me all my rights over there,
and they gonna tell me what I'm doing wrong.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
You can probably go to the.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Around the corner.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go to the easy church, or
not one at all, or not one at all, you
know what I mean. And it was something that you
said that was really important because I felt like when
I was growing up, what I saw and what I
heard more so not even what I saw at times,
but what I heard was, you know, they got the
church over there in the projects in the hood, and

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then they got the pastor driving the shiny Cadillac, and
those two things didn't go together to me.

Speaker 6 (20:19):
So you want your pastor poor.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
I didn't want them to be poor, and really I
didn't even I didn't have a pastor. But for me,
looking from the outside, I'm just like It just doesn't
make sense to me like that. All the people here
aren't doing well, but the pastor is. I think he
should share the wealth.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
The best.

Speaker 7 (20:39):
I don't know who said it, but I know someone
said the best thing you could do for poor people
is not be one of them. Because how can I
teach you how to come out of this? I how
can I teach you how to elevate? How can I
teach you how to maximize in your life? If none
of us ain't got nothing, somebody has to have something. Yeah,
And you know, I don't want to get too spiritual

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because I wanted your audience to be like we know,
there's always an agenda to make sure people don't get
this message of God right. So the enemy will start
in January to destroy you by December. If you have
financial issues right, and you striving and you want things

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and you're trying to you're trying to make it happen,
and you go to church, the enemy gonna whisper in
your ear he got more than you.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Right.

Speaker 7 (21:32):
Jealousy set sins, So I can't say, wool, I'm glad
God blessed you, Maybe God will bless me. It turns
into well, why didn't he bless me to. That's envy.
That's not faith, that's not expectation, that's not hope. That's
not gratitude. That's not looking at someone else and being
able to applaud someone else, you know what I mean.
So sometimes it's heart posture that makes you go and
look around. Let me see which church is raggedy. You

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don't want God, you want something else. So you're gonna
find what you're looking for. The enemy gonna make sure
you find what you're looking for.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
Most of the time.

Speaker 7 (22:01):
Most of the time, those people are very loud. Sin
has good great marketing, great marketing. It's everywhere.

Speaker 6 (22:08):
People want to hear the bad news, right what's wrong
with them? Just you know? And sometimes if you got
yourself together, they're still looking for what's wrong.

Speaker 7 (22:16):
They can't be that good, you know what I'm saying,
Like we anticipate. We're so comfortable with the bad and
the broken, and we're so comfortable with thieves, and so
that's all we're looking for. We almost distrust a good
guy or a good chick. We almost questioned the couple
that's been there. It must be something in there. Of course,
it's something in there, but love held them together. Of course,

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somebody's jacked up in the church. But we're not coming
here for each other. We're coming here for God. And
I may have to sort through some people with their brokenness.
I may have to sort through some people who are
struggling and trying to get this thing right. The thing
about faith is you got to keep doing it every
day right.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
It's not like I'm gonna get it right. Oh I'm
setting now, I'm good.

Speaker 7 (22:56):
So as you come to a church, everybody is coming
for the same thing, for God, right, for for better,
for a light, for understanding, for healing, for whatever you're
looking for. And the enemy does not want you to
get that because you are the most powerful in those
times and in those moments when.

Speaker 6 (23:11):
You're operating in your full power, in your full light.

Speaker 7 (23:15):
No, they're gonna start, They're gonna stop doing this raggedy
stuff if they really understand the power of God and
how I can tap into the creator of the universe
and say, what does my tomorrow look like? And God say,
I'll need you to open this door and go through here.
But if you looking at people that's wrong. I can't
go in that room. They're gonna hate on me. You
may be called to that room, you know, and so
you may have been called to that church. But I

(23:36):
saw the Bentley first, so I'm not gonna go.

Speaker 9 (23:49):
That's definitely how I felt when I got.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
I go to a church and I say the bill
and I come from the churches in d C.

Speaker 6 (24:03):
Does that people with money are well?

Speaker 3 (24:05):
No, no, here's the thing not good? Because I want to.
I want to. I want to, I want to jump,
I want to get Because it was just like, I.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Don't I don't mind the pastor.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Living good and and and and and having his car
and you know, having his his portion of of what
God of what God gets sure, and I was giving
my experience when I like, he said l A and
I was like the first when I first moved to
LA was the first time.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Excuse me?

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Then I saw a V I P section in church
and I was like, so, what's so who's this there?
Definitely for V I P. To sit behind. I was, oh, God, okay,
I'll just park right No no, no, no, no, that's also
V I P. Park So you got it? What? And

(25:03):
I was like, okay, well, I'm gonna just here go
to It was my first time ever ever ever seen
and so I didn't know. I didn't know how to
process it because every every church that I had been to,
or every church that I grew up in, the only

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person that had reserved parking was the pastor and everybody
else we just found us a space and help other
people find spaces. And then when you came in the
only people who had a signed seating where the deacons
and the deaconesses and the mother's board, like you knew
where they said. And then well, my grandmother had her

(25:44):
own seat, so she don't sit in her seat, don't
sit in mine, don't sit and past the Mary Jean
Giles seat. It's don't be hal to pay right being
the third on the end, don't touch that right. But
outside of that, everybody you filled in m hm. And
so just speaking more to you know, kind of what
he was saying, just the nuance of it, you know,

(26:07):
I'll add I'll add to a story with that in
terms of how I would have loved to see or
what I thought every church should have been.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Pastor battle good friend of.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Mine, I went and did his church, I think it
was mother's dad performed. He called me. He was like, yeah,
I want you to perform my church, my mother's day.
I was like, the mothers need to touch. I was like,
he said, yeah, we do two services. You sing some songs,
play the piano, and then we do like a h

(26:40):
a talk where we talk about you know you you
being in the industry, your faith and all these things
and how it carries you through and that. I was like, this, okay,
you sure? He was like. He was like, he's like yeah.
He said, what do you charge? I was like, I
mean it's church.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
I was.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
I was like, I charged this much. He said cool.
I was like cool. He said, yeah, I don't negotiate
against people. They said, that would be me telling you
that I don't believe you are who you say you are.
I was like okay, amen. And then I was like, well,
I don't you know. I got a gig. I'm trying
to get there. He was like this, okay, well, what's

(27:19):
the easiest way to get you here? I was like,
probably a jet man, but I'm not trying to put all.
He said, Okay, price out of the jet. We'll get
you here. I was like what, ok amen, amen, and
somebody will get church got some money. No pastor battle
himself is cool. He's not the flashy is not the
it's not what he does. So we get the church

(27:41):
and we do these services, and in these services, I'm
watching him. I'm watching him give, I'm watching him give car, job,
place to stay. I'm watching him give, and I'm like,
I had never seen church like that, because I'd always

(28:03):
seen them take the offering and just take it in
the back and then that's it. And you had never
actually seen how how the church, you know, fed the community.

Speaker 6 (28:19):
And I love that story for so many reasons.

Speaker 7 (28:23):
I love that that there was a reservation even in
when he asked you to come, you weren't, like I
do venues fine, church is fine.

Speaker 6 (28:30):
I love that there's a there's a sense of respect
that you had like should I say this? Should I?

Speaker 7 (28:35):
And I think that shows that there is a reverence
for you know, God and God's House and God's people.
I love that they even had you and that they
treated you the way you're supposed to be treated.

Speaker 6 (28:47):
And I can honestly say there are many churches that
have done that.

Speaker 7 (28:51):
And then while we're on their way, we're like, oh, yeah,
that's our children's facility, that's our seniors facility, this is
where we be the homeless, and.

Speaker 6 (28:58):
This is where we do this, and this is our
prisons ministry.

Speaker 7 (29:01):
There are a lot of churches that are blessed because
of the amount that they give and how they serve. Now,
there are some trash churches. There are some raggedy ones
out there. I'm just like and I'm not because I
never want to talk about the good and not acknowledge.
I know that that exists, and I know that there
are a lot of people that have their hearts broken
in church. But God didn't do that. And if you

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were going for people, you got what you were looking for.
But if you were going for God, you look past
that broken person and say, but Lord, what are you
saying to me? I know what they said, but Lord,
what are you saying to me?

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Keep framing it around God's name?

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Right, So I'll say it as I was a musician,
this is I'm sorry, we're going to get.

Speaker 6 (29:42):
To they wanted church.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
It was it's what you brought is healing and something
something different.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Right.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
And so as a musician in my church, as as
the minister of music and playing for all the choirs
and writing the songs and the songs, I just want
doing rehearsals as were in there seven days a week
and even know what I'm saying, how do I live?

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:10):
And when it keeps being framed as well, you know
God gonna take care of you? Well, you do you
think you think we can get one of them bricks
that God God on the street and for a play,
because because right now, just seventy five dollars a Sunday,

(30:30):
right and you're telling me God got me. I'm here
in the place of God. This ain't got me.

Speaker 8 (30:42):
A job?

Speaker 6 (30:42):
Then I had a job, I was saying at my church.
But I had a job. I did hair, I was
watching kids. I mean, you have to the Bibles as
if a man or a woman don't work, you don't eat.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
So the responsibility of the ministry, which I think is
supposed to feed me, and can they really free?

Speaker 6 (31:00):
Church is not as financially strapped as people think. A
lot of times people don't.

Speaker 7 (31:04):
There are some sundays if people just don't feel like given,
they don't packed. But if the church is broke, how
much where it really is? Everybody is George Washington, the
host Famous Dollars.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
It's saying seventy five dollars, he go to.

Speaker 6 (31:18):
Church, He go to church, a lot. Now, there are
a lot of churches that take very good care.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
No, no, I get.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
That, don't yeh of the things that just kind of
were like, you know, the conversation that were just like,
but think about it.

Speaker 7 (31:31):
Just because your pastor doesn't mean that you are financially astute.
Just because your pastor doesn't mean that you're good at organizing.
You know, just because your pastor, sometimes their bills ain't
paige because they're just not good with money. You may
be called, but there's some natural things that you have
to do in your own life. You know, get your
own education, you know what I'm saying. Make sure you
understand if we're understand financing, but if you don't, get

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somebody that does.

Speaker 6 (31:54):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (31:54):
I remember, you know, growing up in church, and I
loved my church. But the people over finances, they was
on welfare.

Speaker 6 (32:00):
So how you gonna really manage the finances of the church. Well,
you know what I mean. Not that they were bad people,
but they.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Weren't equip They didn't understand what to do.

Speaker 7 (32:08):
Yeah, we had been trying to raise we would raise
money and have a building, but have too many bills
and have other things and you know, insurances and all
these things that go into the business of church. But
nobody understood the business of church because we're just gonna
come and have church. So then when your business isn't right,
you blame it on the devil, or you blame it
on the quicker preacher. Would he really wasn't equipped.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
For that part of the job.

Speaker 7 (32:27):
Get yourself a staff, have financial people that will come
here a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
This is honestly, this is outside of how amazing you
are in the amazing things you've done in music. But
this is why you're you're so important to our show.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Because this is a this is another side of it.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yeah, right, because we get into the business of secular music,
but we don't get into the business of church.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (32:58):
And because i'd say faith more than church, but just
because there's always something fighting your faith.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, But I'm talking about the business side of church
that it's being taken care of. And like I said,
you know, like I like when we started the conversation,
and it started with what I saw, but I didn't
see the inner working. I'm just a kid seeing something
that adults are telling me isn't right. But those adults

(33:27):
may not look at what you just said. Okay, this
man has a calling. They don't really understand business. And
the women that are are the men that are handling
the books, they don't they don't even understand money.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
They don't have a degree in account.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Winston that went off to college and it's now back. Yeah,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
So that's why I say, you know this, this conversation
is so so very important.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
For even our audience.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
And you know, because our audiences, we got people probably
that go to church, that don't go to church, that
you know, having opinion.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Of the came from church, right.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Right, And this conversation needs to be had if it's
here or anywhere else, because just us having the dialogue
that we're having now is helping my understanding.

Speaker 6 (34:27):
Oh that's so dope.

Speaker 7 (34:28):
I think God is always trying to get to us
in different ways, and I love that. You know, the
world is so big and so small all at the
same time. When you think of social media, you can
scroll past anything that may touch your heart and you
don't know that you're going to need that for a
later moment. And so I believe that God makes deposits
in your soul for what you may need later. You
may hear something, read something, experience something that will challenge

(34:51):
you to think about God in a different way because
you had this preconceived notion of what it could be
or what it is.

Speaker 6 (34:56):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (34:57):
And sometimes the example was a broken person and then
God allows you to see your own brokenness and say, oh,
I'll kind of operate like that too. So the same
grace I want for me, could I extend it to
somebody else? You know, learning those principles of grace and
faith and compassion, and you know, allowing yourself to be
human and normal and knowing that I don't have to
pretend to be perfect, I think allows me to see

(35:19):
the greatness of God because when I'm weak, that's when
he's the strongest, because he's lifting me and he's carrying me.
And so if you have somebody that's coming and they
see this broken guy and you know that is anointed
to preach, but you know he got some issues in
his flesh and he got some issues in other places.
You're not holding him to this unrealistic you.

Speaker 6 (35:38):
Got to be perfect? Are you held to a higher standard? Absolutely?

Speaker 7 (35:42):
You know, should your faith make you make some different
choices absolutely, but if you don't, there is grace for you.
And so when you look at faith like that, you
come in with a little more compassion as opposed to
the eye that says she mess up?

Speaker 6 (35:58):
Is her dress too short? While you say it, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (36:01):
Hey man, we human Jesus went to the cross because
he knew there was no way we were going to
follow every single rule every single day. So every day
he gives me another chance, another chance to choose him.
And this is what I love about God. He don't
wake me up and say you better choose me, because
the plenty of people who don't, they still have breath
in their body. And so that's what I think is
so cool about God. So I get my eyes off

(36:22):
of people and focus on God. Like even when I didn't,
she choose you. Even when I messed up, You still
blessed me. You still allow me to sing, You allow
me to go across the world when I was doubting
you and questioning you because you know, my father died
and this manager did this, and the industry's not fair
and it's shifting you. Still I'm doubting you, and this
breath that I'm breathing is from you?

Speaker 6 (36:42):
How dare I? You know?

Speaker 7 (36:43):
And so it just gives me a little different understanding
and perspective, perspective when I see certain artists and they're
not gospel artists and they live and how they live,
and I'm saying, Lord, just let there be a God
deposit at some moment in time.

Speaker 6 (36:56):
Let somebody say, Hey, can I pray for you?

Speaker 7 (36:59):
I was on a red carpet and really really huge
rapper and we knew that the Ruckus was coming. So
me and Tina had done the carpet and we were
doing an interview with ABC. So she was coming and
we could hear the rush of people clicking and taking
her picture, and so.

Speaker 6 (37:15):
We're coming off ABC. She's going up. So I turn
around and I say, hey, how are you? And she
was like, I'm so nervous. I said, you're.

Speaker 7 (37:22):
Good, don't worry about it, and she grabbed my hand
and said, I feel better because you're here now. Had
I got jealous because some of the cameras left me
and Tina and went to her. Had I got an
attitude and be like, I'm gospeling I deserve. I wouldn't
have had that moment with her I don't know what
that moment meant, but I know it was an opportunity
for her to see a gospel artist in this big,
huge star and say.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Hey, how are you? Are you okay? And she said,
I feel better because you're here?

Speaker 7 (37:46):
And I think that that is my assignment. That's God
dropping those little you know, absolutely like.

Speaker 6 (37:53):
I'm here. I want your attention.

Speaker 7 (37:55):
I need your time to say thank you to me,
you know what I mean, Consult me in your ways
before you ain't that deal?

Speaker 6 (38:00):
Lord? Is this for me? You know what I'm saying?
Before you go on that tour? Am I supposed to
be here?

Speaker 7 (38:05):
Me and Ten have been invited to some tours that
we knew, big stage, great opportunity, you know, Let the
cute gospel girls open. Man, God, this saint. But that's
from those those God seats that have been dropped in

(38:27):
my life. And I just you know, I always say
to myself and I tell people around me, when I
stand before God, none of y'all are going to be there.

Speaker 6 (38:34):
Not a Grammy, not a nobody, not even my husband.

Speaker 7 (38:38):
It's just gonna be me. Did you choose me? Did
you love me? Did you talk about me? You know
what I'm saying, was you cool with me?

Speaker 6 (38:45):
Did you rock with me?

Speaker 2 (38:46):
You know me?

Speaker 6 (38:47):
So you know?

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Okay, let's let's let's let's get into you.

Speaker 6 (38:52):
Okay, let's get into if we.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Start talking about buffed in the hood, I ever tell
me because I don't know how much of a long
time coming Mary Mary was. But I'm sure there was

(39:20):
a moment early early on. I mean, us church kids,
we always singing in church, always twenty four to seven
win church, got it. But there's there's a moment when
sister brother, somebody or somebody says, man, y'all, y'all dope,
y'all are different special? When is that?

Speaker 1 (39:43):
So?

Speaker 7 (39:43):
I grew up singing in church, started singing at five.
I was the solo artist at church. Me and Tina
were not a group. Our choir went to McDonald Gospel
Best and recorded albums and I would lead.

Speaker 6 (39:55):
And so Tina had a song with her.

Speaker 7 (39:58):
Best friend Erica bell Aircabelle wasn't there that day, and
they were like, okay, well just sing the song with it.

Speaker 6 (40:04):
Were singing together, and we're like we singing We feel it.

Speaker 7 (40:08):
Like the audience, the choir, because they had never heard
us sing together. They're like, oh my god, I'm about eighteen. No,
maybe I'm nineteen. So Tina's about seventeen. You know, I
don't meet Warren until I'm twenty three.

Speaker 6 (40:25):
He's twenty.

Speaker 7 (40:26):
So we're singing at church and I'm feeling, you know,
I'm like, oh, this is something I always wanted to sing,
always wanted to record.

Speaker 6 (40:32):
All my dreams were big stages.

Speaker 7 (40:35):
I would have the craziest visions of Arita's and people
screaming my name, but I had no clue of how
to get there. So I would go to every concert.
I wanted to sing in everybody's group. I would go
to all the studios and sometimes it's like, oh, cute
little church girl, or you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (40:49):
It was that for years, years, years, and I was like,
why would you keep giving me these dreams if I'm
not supposed to do this for real?

Speaker 7 (40:55):
So I am doing a play stage play, and by
this time, me and Tina are making up songs, and
you know, we moved out and all of that, and
Warren comes to the show.

Speaker 6 (41:08):
My timeline may be off.

Speaker 7 (41:10):
Warren comes to the show, and you know, he just
think I'm cute and we just exchange in numbers, but
I go to the studio because he's working with Dawkins,
and Dawkins already a big fan of theirs, right, So
we're in the studio and I'm like, this guy is
really cute. But I didn't want him to think that
I only liked him because he did music, so I
never really told him how much. I mean, he knew
I could sing because he saw me to play, but

(41:30):
I wouldn't like, oh, I want to record, do a Demommy, Simmy.
It was none of that. Tina says, I want you
to hear the song that I made up. The song
was what a Friend, which is on our first record,
I think the second or third song on the first record.
So he's like, y'all should be a group, and I
feel that it's coming. So in my mind, I'm going
I'm getting closer to the dream. I'm getting closer to

(41:52):
the dream. So we do a demo. He sends that
demo to a few people in the industry. It's this, okay, well,
I mean, I don't know if I can say it
because he's in so much trouble. But Diddy was the
first one that was interested in Mary. Mary just off
a picture in a song. He never met us, never
seen his perform. So we go to New York. But
then there's also Columbia was asking and at this time

(42:13):
then the face was asking, and so one was this
is all off a demo. It's not even a record.
We ain't performed nowhere. They just see these two Q
girls in this song. Because Shackles is a.

Speaker 6 (42:22):
Beast, right, Shackles, the shackles. Shackles was the first DIF.

Speaker 7 (42:27):
Yeah, we did, we did, and Shackles was supposed to
be for the Prince of Egypt soundtrack, and so once
we heard it, because one was doing.

Speaker 6 (42:36):
The Prince of soundtrack, realized.

Speaker 7 (42:42):
Once we realized the magnitude of the song, he was like, well,
let's just keep Shackles for ourselves and we'll do something
else for the Prince of Eagypuntains soundtrack. We end up
doing a song called let Go Let God with an
unknown tie tribute in GA at the time. Yeah, so
that song comes out. Then we do another soundtrack for
Doctor Doolittle and we do another soundtrack, but we hold

(43:05):
in Shackles in the bag, like you know, And so
he's taking these.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
Meetings record from me. It was a record he knew
more than we.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
But here's here's the other question too, as you as
you moved through this, when you say you didn't want
to ask him about music and all of these things.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yeah, did you know at the time what he was
in music?

Speaker 3 (43:26):
No?

Speaker 7 (43:26):
I just thought he wasn't safe because he worked at
death Row. But I know I liked him though, But
I was like, you know, because I grew up with
secular music as a singer.

Speaker 6 (43:32):
So I was like, man, he's so nice.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
This is why.

Speaker 6 (43:36):
This is no way he loves Jesus death Row.

Speaker 7 (43:40):
But that was so sweet about him, and there was
just I went to my aunt, who was the first lady.
I was like, so dating the guys in church was
like a big no note for me. But he don't
go to church.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
She was like, I don't know, it's something different about him.

Speaker 7 (43:57):
M And she said, okay, just pray for him. She said,
not out loud, just say Lord, if this is you,
just show me. And when we started talking we never
stopped talking.

Speaker 6 (44:08):
It was old school sit on the phone for hours.

Speaker 7 (44:12):
He lives in the valley. I live in Lawndale. He's
driving to my house. I'm driving his house in my
raggedy Toyota tourseell, hoping that it don't.

Speaker 6 (44:20):
Up just to record music.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Business. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
I am, but I'm still you.

Speaker 7 (44:37):
Know, trying to be cute but you know, but I'm
you know, want to talk about music. And he knows
that we can sing, so he's like, oh, do this demo.
And I don't know if it's because you know, he
liked me, or he was like, really want me to sing?

Speaker 6 (44:52):
You know, it's also.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
It's also mixed up when you when you're attracted to someone.

Speaker 7 (44:59):
Yeah, but he's becoming this producer, he's doing this these things,
he's you know, and we're brand new.

Speaker 6 (45:08):
So we start recording the record.

Speaker 7 (45:11):
We are you know, dating by now, and you know,
I initially was like, you're younger than me. I was
used to dating older guys. I'm like, he's three years younger.

Speaker 6 (45:18):
Oh that's cute.

Speaker 7 (45:19):
But we would not stop talking to each other. So
it's all of that, and somewhere in the middle, you know,
before the record comes out, he proposes and yeah.

Speaker 6 (45:31):
And all of that.

Speaker 7 (45:32):
But then after he proposes, he's like, I'm not sure
if I'm really ready to do this. So he says
he needs space, and I said okay. But the next
day we had to come to the studio, and so
I said, well, I've wanted to sing longer than I've
loved you, so I'll be at the studio. My my

(45:54):
ego and attitude about Erica and her singing was like,
you didn't been engaged twice before. Relationships come and go,
this will be fine, but this music thing is what
you want for the rest of your life. So I
would go in the bathroom and cry and come out
and be like, Lord, I'm thankful for what's my part?

(46:24):
I act funny at all and Tea's like, it's okay,
you want you want to stay home?

Speaker 6 (46:27):
I was like, no, I beat all right. So, uh,
Tina and Teddy had just got married. The record comes out.

Speaker 7 (46:40):
By now we're on single number two, we're on I Sing,
and we're traveling and.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
We're promoting only one that's not a Campbell yet.

Speaker 6 (46:47):
I'm not a Campbell yet because I'm still.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
For the other people that don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Both of the sisters married two men that are not
kind to each other with the last.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Name camb.

Speaker 7 (46:57):
So you know, he's trying to figure it out, and
I don't believe. And ultimatums I believe you. You know,
you show me the rules to the game and I
play it. I'm not forcing you. I didn't say God please,
I was like, okay, all right. So then he says, well,
you know, I'm gonna call you tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (47:13):
And I said, but you want space.

Speaker 7 (47:15):
Space means a way, it means a part. So you
live in your full complete, no airicodness, and you check
how that feel. If that's what you want, that's what
you want, and I'll deal with it. I'll cry for
about a good two weeks.

Speaker 6 (47:26):
And then I'll be over it. And so we go
on the road. We're doing something called the road shows.
We're doing.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
On the road with you, right, No, he didn't try.

Speaker 6 (47:36):
He never really traveled with Mary.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
Mary.

Speaker 6 (47:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (47:39):
So we're on the road, We're doing the road shows
and I'm crying.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Like my god, I thought you said this was him.
But when I talked to him, I'm like, oh, I'm cool,
you know, because.

Speaker 6 (47:48):
I'm a g and uh. We are in Paris.

Speaker 7 (47:51):
We're leaving Paris, and they said, somebody call the hotel,
you know for one of the Mary's. I'm like, well,
it's teena because I ain't got no man, no more
then we go to Holland.

Speaker 6 (47:59):
We're in the line Ibby in Holland.

Speaker 7 (48:02):
And again there's a call for one of the girls
and I said, well, Tine's for you. She goes to
the phone. She comes back, she said, well, it ain't
for me. She said, it's warn't on the phone. I
was like, so I go to the phone. And by
this time, honestly, I'm familiar with heartbreaking heartache. So I
start building some nice brick walls around my heart. I
was like, he may come back around, he may not.

(48:23):
So I pick up the phone. He says, I'm so sorry.
I do want to marry you. Let's get married in May.
I'm sorry, and I was like okay. He was like,
why are you sound like that. I was like, well,
I've been prepping myself, not for this call, but for
I can't do it call. So you know, long story short,
we end up, you know, getting married in twenty three

(48:44):
years and all of that. But it was a journey
because I'm a very I'm very honest with myself. I
don't believe that I can force people to love me.
You have the same way I could choose God, he
could choose me or not. And that wouldn't even make
him a bad guy, you know what I'm saying. So
our love story and our music story is all intertwined.
Probably should be a movie.

Speaker 6 (49:04):
It's all intertwined.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Now.

Speaker 7 (49:07):
I don't know how true this is, but I believe
Teddy called him while we were in Paris. It said, Nigga,
you are you crazy?

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Did you see her? You still you?

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Sure?

Speaker 6 (49:16):
You won't space like?

Speaker 3 (49:18):
You?

Speaker 6 (49:18):
Better go and get that girl?

Speaker 4 (49:19):
And so you know, and it shackles out at this point.

Speaker 7 (49:22):
Shackles is out at this point. Yeah, Shackles is because
we're in Europe. It's all over it.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Let's talk, Let's go back, so you get the record deal, Yes,
and the first single is Shackles holding not a long time, Yeah,
even if it's a year and a half, there's a talk. Yes,

(49:47):
and out the gate you were off man to the race.
You in your mind have been saying, this is what
I want?

Speaker 6 (49:58):
For sure?

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Is it beyond expectation?

Speaker 6 (50:02):
Oh? For sure.

Speaker 7 (50:04):
I grew up saying that God can do exceedingly abundantly
above all I could ask or think, according to the
power that works in me. So I felt like God,
I'm working my power. I've been singing up and doing.
I've been, you know, getting ready for this, and so
here we are, and God kind of dropped a bomb
on me and said, if you expect me to be great,

(50:26):
don't be surprised when I am, because interviewers favorite question
is can you believe it? And so I spent a
few years going, I can't believe it. Oh man, I
couldn't believe it, and so then I started changing. Yeah, God,
you know, you can't expect something, anticipate something, planned for something,
and when you get it, you spend your days talking

(50:48):
about it in total wonderment. It should be more appreciation
and gratitude, like, wow, not only did you do what
you showed me, you did more than I could imagine.
Because not only did he do this through me with
this music, You're changing people, those lives.

Speaker 6 (51:00):
You're touching people that I may never meet. You're allowing me.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
This girl from Englewood, who you know grew up poor
on welfare.

Speaker 7 (51:09):
You know all of that. You allow me to have
this influence, in this impact. You know what I mean,
even when I'm still having moments of struggle with my faith,
because life is life, you know, you still choose to
use me and let me sing this music and can't
give up now and God and me and go get it.
And then the reality show and all these layers that
become Erica that just allow me to grow and see myself,

(51:30):
see my own brokenness, but to see His greatness. And
I think that's the most that's the most amazing part
of all of it, is you allow me to see
how fragile I am and it those people would sing
ten times.

Speaker 6 (51:42):
Better than me. It's of course they're out there, but
you chose to use me.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Mm hm.

Speaker 7 (51:47):
And my humility precedes me everywhere I go, even though
I'm full aware of who I am in my capability,
but I know it ain't me, it's him. My insecurity
doesn't make me inflate myself. So I feel better about
myself and God uses me.

Speaker 6 (52:01):
That's how I feel.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Tell me we we we went to yes abundance above beyond.
Tell me some of the struggle that came along with shackles.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 6 (52:22):
The church people that I loved that didn't understand. It's
like y'all know me. So we started off, you know,
doing big R and B and hip hop festivals.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
We started off it was an event with the roots,
Snoop Dogg, Little Kim.

Speaker 7 (52:38):
And Mary Mary, you know, started off in all these spaces.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
Vibe had their juice.

Speaker 7 (52:50):
Addition, and it's everybody just hot and up and coming
and Mary Mary smack dab in the middle of that, and.

Speaker 6 (52:55):
It was just it was weird, but it was great.

Speaker 7 (52:58):
But I wanted to be accepted by the people that
have poured into me spiritually that prepared me to share
the Gospel with the world. I wanted them to be
okay with it being this part of the world, not
the church part of the world. So there were some
people who understood and got it, and most church girls
that I talked.

Speaker 6 (53:13):
To there was like, man, we were just so happy
when y'all came on a scene, like, oh finally, right.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Do you think that.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
When you speak about it, it feels like the regional
artist that blows up everywhere else.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
But at home. Let's see what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Yeah, you know, it's like, Okay, I'm from the Bay Area, right,
and it's like if the whole world is singing your song,
but the Bay Area is like this, don't feel like they're.

Speaker 6 (53:47):
Bad, right, Yeah, when.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
You speak about it, that's how it feels to me.

Speaker 7 (53:52):
Yeah, that's how it felt for some church people. So
we spent some years trying to convince. If we would
do a church event or a conference or something, we
would spend years trying. We would try to convince them
how churchy we were. I remember we did a National
Baptist convention. When I tell you, they was like, and
we tried to wear our church is.

Speaker 6 (54:10):
You know, let the dress. We're not gonna wear leather
pants today. We're gonna you know what I'm saying, we
don't know.

Speaker 7 (54:16):
We tried to wear our church is and they still
was like, I mean, they invited us, you know, they
gave us a.

Speaker 6 (54:21):
Little love offering, but it was it was just interesting.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
And shackles don't make you move. But I'm saying already.

Speaker 5 (54:33):
It's it's you.

Speaker 6 (54:35):
But you know, you know, every song.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Isn't for everything objective. For sure, music is subjective. But
that beat so was the kick in saying.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
This right here on shackles.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Yeah, you a hater.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
You a hater, ain't no God in you.

Speaker 7 (54:54):
I mean, maybe they more Mama Shirley, you know what
I'm saying, Maybe they more quartet, you know.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
But I'm sure from from from from your eyes and
your sister's eyes too had to be like this don't
make sense.

Speaker 7 (55:05):
Yeah, I mean, you know when we would go to
we went to a Gospel award, and you know, our
seats was like way in the back.

Speaker 6 (55:15):
And this is after Shackles. Is Shackles in the world.

Speaker 7 (55:18):
Top five in the world, not just gospel charts or
pop charts or R and B in the world, and
they still kind of just we never performed Shackles. We
didn't perform Shackles on the Stellar Awards until.

Speaker 6 (55:29):
We did The Mary. Mary's been here for twenty years.

Speaker 7 (55:33):
Most of our big songs didn't get performed on that
award show.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Yeah, that's that's wild.

Speaker 7 (55:40):
I mean, but it's fine. I mean, here's how I
look at it. Everybody's music is coming out. I can't
let my ego say, oh, I'm supposed to be here, maybe.

Speaker 6 (55:48):
It's somebody else's turn.

Speaker 7 (55:50):
Because here's what I know for sure, there's never a
moment in heaven when God is saying I'm meant for
Eric to have that, but darn it, somebody else took
it from her.

Speaker 6 (55:58):
That means it's not my time.

Speaker 7 (56:00):
But when it is my time, I'm gonna make sure
I give it everything I have. So I become a
solo artist right start doing Erica Campbell. Tina says she
wants to take a break. That's two thirteen.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Yeah, how do you get into Is it just I
need I need some time.

Speaker 6 (56:14):
It's I need some time with my family. You know.

Speaker 7 (56:19):
During the show it's made the last two seasons, Mary
May is a lot, very busy.

Speaker 6 (56:25):
It's a lot going on, a lot of decisions. By
this time, we have children.

Speaker 7 (56:28):
You know, we're working. I got three kids, she got
five kids. You know, we're trying to do all the things.
But I feel like I'm supposed to keep going. So
we do a little more Jesus, which very different from
the last songs. The last two songs of Mary Mary
was God and Me and go get It. So we
do a little more Jesus with this kind of rock
church combination. And I get invited to sing on the

(56:50):
Stellear Awards. Well, first I didn't. I'm not going to
change that. I didn't get invited. We asked can Erica
Campbell perform? Well, we don't know Erica Campbell by herself.
And I'm like, I hosted it three times though I
hop about twenty two Stellars at home.

Speaker 6 (57:06):
You know me.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Hold on, so holdo, we gotta cut this.

Speaker 6 (57:14):
So no, no, no, let me tell you. No, I'm
gonna tell you.

Speaker 7 (57:16):
I'm gonna tell you why this all makes sense. So
they said, we don't know you by yourself, But that
is the same thing my husband said, I don't know
your voice by itself because i've heard you with your sister.

Speaker 6 (57:29):
Greatly offended at both him and them, but it was
the truth. He said, you got two options.

Speaker 7 (57:35):
Be mad and don't do it, and tell this story
forever how somebody didn't believe in you, or go and
sing like you're losing your mind. Treat it like this
is the Erica Campbell Show. Treat it like everybody there
only wants to see you. So I had a custom outfit.
I had Lorianne come with choreographer performance. You know, I
had a lighting person come check out the lighting. Now,

(57:56):
mind you, they only gave me a minute in thirty
four secs. So I said, okay, a minute in thirty
four second cause they don't know me by myself, So
let me go and let you see who I am
by myself. So it's a collabor collaborative performance with three
other artists that were relatively new and so I didn't

(58:17):
just do the lighting for me.

Speaker 6 (58:18):
I said, make us all look good. I didn't just
do it for me.

Speaker 7 (58:21):
I said, well in the end, then we all sing
it together, and it's a moment for female gospel artists.
I didn't make it all about me. I remember being
in the back and one of my good friends was
in the back.

Speaker 6 (58:30):
He was like, man, this is whack.

Speaker 7 (58:31):
They shouldn't you should have had your whole moment. I
was like, it's cool, I'm gonna take it. I was
on time the sound check. I showed up and spoke
to everybody.

Speaker 6 (58:39):
I said thank you to them for having me.

Speaker 7 (58:41):
You know how rehearsals at TV shows go, you know recordings.
You're gonna sit there. You're gonna it's hurry up and wait,
we need you hear three. But you're not gonna sing
the four forty five, right. So I sat there and
I was just as polite to everybody. I could be
polite too, And then I sung my song and the
room was blessed and God did in the room what
he wanted to do in the room. So it wasn't

(59:03):
I didn't want if I made it all about me,
then it was I only got a minute thirty four.
You know, but I was like, Erica, don't make it
about you, right, because if God gave you this song,
then somebody needs to hear. I need a little more Jesus.
So you know, I came out. I had a little fascinator.
I threw the head in the audience, and you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (59:21):
I rocked out.

Speaker 6 (59:22):
I did everything that I was.

Speaker 7 (59:23):
You said, I'm not gonna say that. Why Campbell said
like this, He said, make it count. If you donna
leave your house, make it count.

Speaker 6 (59:31):
Don't go and waste your time. Have I wasted my
time a few times?

Speaker 5 (59:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (59:35):
You know, because when you're naturally gifted, maybe you don't
rehearse as much, and maybe you are a little laden.
Maybe you don't do this, and you know, maybe you
don't do that. And he was like you, that's a
waste of time. Go and be professional. Treat it like
a privilege that somebody thinks enough of your talent that
I want to pay you to come and sing for
three minutes or thirty minutes or whatever it is.

Speaker 6 (59:55):
Like, nobody don't spend their day. I work an hour
and I make this. Treat that with respect, you know, what.

Speaker 7 (01:00:01):
I'm saying, show up for the people that are excited
to see you, that maybe this is their first time
seeing you. So I always wanted to treat it like that.
And I have great respect for the Stellar Awards.

Speaker 6 (01:00:09):
I'm a huge gospel fan.

Speaker 7 (01:00:10):
I remember watching it on TV wishing that I could
be there. So I dare not turn my first time
to stand on the stage by myself into this thing
about me because they didn't receive me the way I
wanted or the invitation didn't come the way I wanted.
And then I started comparing myself. She's saying, and she saying,
that's their story, this is mine. How You're gonna treat it, Erica.

Speaker 6 (01:00:29):
So I came and I did the best that I
do could do. And the compliment that I love the
most is we love working with her. It's a pleasure
to work with her. So so then I came back
next year.

Speaker 7 (01:00:43):
In the next year, I was nominated for eight one
all eight, and then the next.

Speaker 6 (01:00:48):
Year after that, I but had I treated them nasty?
You know what I'm saying for that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Minute and third you are giving a real lesson.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
First being grateful, Let's start there for sure, being grateful,
but let God, let him work, let him do what
he needs to do.

Speaker 7 (01:01:10):
Get out of the way with your attitude in your
mouth and you're going live and you're posting and you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
Like and like.

Speaker 7 (01:01:18):
Now nobody wants to invite you because that means you
can't take no.

Speaker 6 (01:01:21):
You're a spoiled kid.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
I can.

Speaker 7 (01:01:23):
I can take a yes, and I can take a no. Well, no,
she's not suited for the show.

Speaker 6 (01:01:27):
That's okay.

Speaker 7 (01:01:27):
I'll be shooting suited for another one because there's always
another show.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Then I'm gonna get invited, and I'm gonna come with
a good spirit and I'm gonna cook and I'm.

Speaker 10 (01:01:36):
Gonna so okay.

Speaker 7 (01:01:47):
So fast forward to its twenty twenty three releasing the
I Love You record, which I am immensely proud of,
was my last record nominated for a Grammy. We didn't
get the Grammy, went to the Stellars, nominated for two Gsmies,
nominated for about six Stellars, So Warren wins for producer.
They went for the video, but the one that I wanted,

(01:02:08):
the Album of the Year, I didn't get.

Speaker 6 (01:02:10):
So my kids are here with me. It's a moment.

Speaker 7 (01:02:12):
My kids are fabulous. Stout by Jay Bowlin. We do
this photo shoot like it's amazing. The pictures go viral,
all the moments go viral.

Speaker 6 (01:02:17):
But I didn't win. So when we get back to
the room, my kids are talking to me. There's always
a moment to learn, right.

Speaker 7 (01:02:23):
So while I believe in that record, I know that
I Love You record is powerful because my aim was
to make a love deposit in the world, to take
a different look at God's love, not based on is
my life. I love you because my life is good.
I love you even my life is bad. So I
Love You record is all of that. So I've been
speaking that to my children.

Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
We're in the room and they said, Mimmy, how do
you feel. I said, I'm sad because I didn't win,
you know, And so they're like, that's not fair.

Speaker 7 (01:02:49):
And but the people who did win are my friends,
and I'm super happy for them because the record is fire.
So I'm not a hater at all, but I still
want to win, so I have to regulate my motions.
It was the same way when we were at the Grammys, Like,
you know, me and Warren left and we were just
a little quiet, you know what I'm saying. So I
believe God allows me to have great moments and then
real moments, human moments, low moments to see. Okay, so

(01:03:11):
you're real happy when I'm good to you, You're real
happy when you win in are you still grateful when
it's not your turn? You know what I'm saying. Everybody
got to take an L. The l's make the winds
much better. So you know, while I'm still working this,
I love you record. I still believe in it. I
still know it was powerful. It didn't do what I
thought it would do. Well, maybe that wasn't God's assignment

(01:03:32):
for it. Maybe it is a resurgence of it, the
same way like walking with viral like four five times
after the record in two thousand and eight because of TikTok.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
I was gonna ask, was that like churches.

Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
Along no walking?

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
I just don't know. It could be.

Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
You know what I love about Cali worship.

Speaker 7 (01:04:02):
We have a guy that somebody can be shouting like
traditional church child, and it's another guy who's break dancing.
It's somebody else who's crip walking in the back. So
your praise is your praise, So yes.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
And I've seen it only in l A. I'm somebody
talking about the gangster, the Gospel.

Speaker 6 (01:04:21):
Of l A we talk about and they love Jesus
at the forum.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
I see it all at the same time.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
I don't know what you want I'm gonna do.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
I don't know. I don't know. The crip Walking is
way more cool.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
I think it's Big Beef. Does he go to your church?
Big No, I don't think Big Beef church.

Speaker 7 (01:04:45):
But they're talking to Warren on the side for you
around who they keep looking at.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Great moment.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Episode, Gosh, Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
But I mean, you know, we've seen some interesting people,
you know, and I can understand how walking with viral.

Speaker 7 (01:05:08):
And it's everybody like it's it's all kinds of people.
And I think that it's just my responsibility to put
it out there, you know what I'm saying, and whoever
receives it receives it. Some will someone look like church
for everybody. It's for it's literally for everybody. Are you
gonna tell me I can sing about God, but you
can't listen to it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:25):
Everybody could listen to you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
Yeah, how many.

Speaker 6 (01:05:30):
Twenty seven?

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
How many Grammys?

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Five?

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
I'm just gonna come by your house. I can admire
one day because you know, your husband has another twenty seven.

Speaker 7 (01:05:45):
Yeah, it's a blessing. You know, it's so bad.

Speaker 6 (01:05:50):
Yeah, we do have a trophy.

Speaker 5 (01:05:51):
Room, won't he do it?

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Room?

Speaker 8 (01:05:56):
Won't deliver a load, deliver a law deliver Alon.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
I'm learning everything.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
I'm learning every time.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
There's grace for us all. Thank God for grace.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
I listen, thank God for grace. My goodness.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
Amen, we were living under.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
The law, earth opening up and the fire burning.

Speaker 6 (01:06:32):
You know some people, don't they He will be right
here because you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Don't even got to you already know.

Speaker 6 (01:06:38):
Listen, I need the piece of gud.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Listen, I know where that north star is.

Speaker 6 (01:06:42):
Absolutely, Amen, Amen, come on, he's so dramatic.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
First lady sister, he can't believe. We are grateful that
you are here on today, and now is the time
that the people need to hear from you. They want
to know the music that has shape and made.

Speaker 8 (01:07:29):
Who you are.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Your favorites, my favorites. We call that your m HM.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Five, your top.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Five, top five, your top five.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
O the singers.

Speaker 11 (01:08:00):
RnB song he rock it out, you yallson, dude, they're
on the show that everybody knows.

Speaker 8 (01:08:14):
Yes, talk.

Speaker 10 (01:08:26):
You.

Speaker 9 (01:08:35):
Oh my god, that was so dumb. Oh was I finished?
I'm so sick of you right now?

Speaker 6 (01:08:49):
Oh god, five that's hard camel.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
Is it all females?

Speaker 6 (01:08:54):
A female male?

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Top five R and B singers instead, or live your list,
you pray, man, what you do, whatever you want, what
you did?

Speaker 6 (01:09:15):
Or alive.

Speaker 8 (01:09:17):
Jeff R and B, not R and B.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
That is gonna put up whatever started army. The voices, artists,
the voice.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
The voices first.

Speaker 6 (01:09:25):
The first one that comes to mind is Donny Hathaway.
Just the warmth, the runs, the the tone, the texture,
the pain. Whitney got.

Speaker 7 (01:09:45):
I'm ask you a little younger, I say, Jasmine Sullivan
up hm hmm, Okay, I got two more?

Speaker 6 (01:09:57):
Oh man, this is not fair. Roberta flat mm hmm,
roberta flat.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Yes, that's nice.

Speaker 6 (01:10:06):
She don't have to holler, she just she just she's
so soothing, you know. I got one more?

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Hungh mmm, more voice?

Speaker 6 (01:10:17):
What did I say?

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
I said, Whitney Whitney zz jazz.

Speaker 6 (01:10:25):
Voices to meet it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
I like.

Speaker 6 (01:10:30):
Not that has the biggest records, in the biggest songs
with the voice. This is yours, this is mine.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
When you turn on your cassette, you what you want
to hear?

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
H oh a cassette.

Speaker 6 (01:10:45):
He went way back, okay, can I said, not too
long ago?

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
I saw one.

Speaker 6 (01:10:52):
Somebody had a cassette for me to side.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
You because.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
Stephen, come on, Steve, did you right there?

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
And remember that time when uh, what's what's my guy
with the glasses from from overseas older artists? Remember when
Elmon John actually didn't have a song to see Stevie
on his birthday and he just made up.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
A song Steve there s.

Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
You wonderfull.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
We thank you because you wonder.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
Steve.

Speaker 6 (01:11:41):
Steve like he just do this, mister, happy birthday to you.

Speaker 7 (01:11:46):
You could have song song ste there. He wanted to
create his own you wonderfull songwriter.

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
And I too like that. I can enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Paard something five R and B songs.

Speaker 6 (01:12:04):
It had me crying. It was James Ingram, what James say?
And I just couldn't stop. And I have a great
James Ingram story. I was singing on an event with James,
Stevie and Natalie Cole.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
He's just gonna pour all the champagne the.

Speaker 6 (01:12:30):
Opening for this show, and I'm like in my mind,
I keep going, what am I doing here? What am
I doing here?

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Wow?

Speaker 7 (01:12:38):
And right before the curtain goes up. They were honoring
Lionel Richie James Ingram grabs my hand and says, you're
supposed to be here too, and it just allowed me
to just take a different loud No, I didn't say anything.
He could just I guess he could feel my I'm
looking at Natalie Cole, I'm looking.

Speaker 6 (01:12:59):
I'm like, what the heck am I doing here? And
I'm not even with Tina, I'm by myself. This was
way before I was solo. I was pregnant with my son,
so I was like, I was like, what the heck
am I doing here? And he said, you're supposed to
be here?

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Oh man, yes, one hundred ways.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:13:22):
M Or how do you keep the music playing?

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Is?

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
How do you keep the music?

Speaker 6 (01:13:26):
How do you keep the music?

Speaker 7 (01:13:27):
Him and Patty Austin, It's like it's magical what they
do with the message and the melodies, and so you
got to give a shout out to Quincy Jones, right,
But it's just that's definitely one of my top.

Speaker 6 (01:13:40):
R and B songs. That's a that's a good question.

Speaker 7 (01:13:42):
Top five R and B songs? I would say one
of my favorite is It's It's a It's a well, Joe,
all the things you man want to do.

Speaker 6 (01:13:55):
Yes, that's a good song.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
I've seen him sing that song live so many times.
You never miss it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
You don't miss he does not miss never, he does
not miss.

Speaker 6 (01:14:06):
He is by Brandy m. The genius of Warren Campbell. Yeah,
I would just say, oh, Warren Campbell's song. That's what
I should say, because why not.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
Because WARRENM.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
No.

Speaker 7 (01:14:26):
But what he did for Tyrese with Shamee was amazing.
And when he tells about that, how old the song was, like, oh,
let me just pull.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
This song out of the the song Tiki could have
sang that song.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
That it was Are you teaky?

Speaker 6 (01:14:48):
Are you not the producer?

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
That's that's how amazing from top to bottom that song.
That's the song is not defined by a person. The
song is a stand alone standard that by itself will
stand the test the time.

Speaker 6 (01:15:10):
Absolutely absolutely, and I think that's why it did what
it did. Yes, special what Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
That's three that's salone that song.

Speaker 6 (01:15:21):
No, but listen, that's what makes a great song great.
Anybody can sing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
DJ Roer song.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
And Warren Campbell's song, and Tyree did an amazing job
absolutely singing that song.

Speaker 6 (01:15:38):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
But to me there are something.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
But to me, some.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Songs are just.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
Like like I can't make you love me.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Of course the originator is, but then you go to Prince,
and then you go to voice to me, and then
then you come away, and then then you go to
everyone who's been on American Idol and it's like, but
that's what.

Speaker 7 (01:16:04):
That's what makes a great song when everybody can singing
and it's still yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:16:10):
That's those ye competition songs.

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
I start telling young fellas when they come sing and
they want to sing live. Can you sing shame? How
about that? Sing shamee?

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Can you get into your low? Can you get down?

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
You know what?

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
Three songs I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
Two?

Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
You keep singing these singing three songs and you sing
for us?

Speaker 6 (01:16:29):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
No, no, sing shame? How about that sing or single
Luther song and executing Luthor?

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Okay, get out of your of your top top five songs.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
I know what you're doing. You're trying to think while you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Smart what you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:16:50):
It's okay, you more, okay, Okay. This is a young one.
And I would have to say p J Morton, we
love we love PJ. Don't we but Pj's gumbo record.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
First Begin mm hmm.

Speaker 7 (01:17:11):
First Begin is a great song, and I don't know
where it charted or but first Begin it's such a
great song lyrically, the way he sang it, I mean,
his voice is already special, right, we know that. But yeah,
that's my jam. It's definitely one of my playlists. Gospel,
not my gospel.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
I got my love playlist in my mind, raunchy pray
list play listen, it's Warren Campbell playlist.

Speaker 6 (01:17:39):
It's not as thanksified as I am. I'm savor in
my baylist sometime. Oh what's that? I don't want to
bore you with it, but I love you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
I love you.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
I love you.

Speaker 6 (01:17:53):
That's not knocks me off my feet. Yeah, knocks me
off my feet for sure, some of these songs.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Okay, I love that. I'm just saying.

Speaker 6 (01:18:06):
I like I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
I like down there, Jon, I like down there.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (01:18:12):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
When somebody says, Steve, you don't don't know, don't do that,
don't throw that man that smoke like that, don't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Put that man in that fire. Fire a better.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
Oh yeah, we got one more segment for you.

Speaker 6 (01:18:32):
Okay, what's happening?

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
Come on, I'm sick you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
I ain't saying no names. I ain't saying no names.
I ain't saying no names. Ain't saying no names. What
you did your class crazy?

Speaker 5 (01:18:51):
That's what you said.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
He a special segment of the It's called saying names. Okay,
will you tell us a story?

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Funny?

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Are m?

Speaker 6 (01:19:13):
H okay?

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
Are funny and foolish.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
People that watch the.

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
Show every week? I'll be saying some other stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:19:21):
When extremely extremely right, look at God.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
The only rue to the game is you can't say
no names.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (01:19:36):
So I'm singing background for an artist and it's an
event worth a bunch of you know, R and B
singers and.

Speaker 6 (01:19:47):
Not married at the time.

Speaker 7 (01:19:50):
And we get back to the hotel after the venu
and I'm in the elevator about three R and B
artists and it's just me.

Speaker 6 (01:20:00):
And they start going in with she.

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
Fine man right there though, right there? Thank you man, she.

Speaker 6 (01:20:09):
Oh, thank you. And one gets off he was like, oh,
I'm on this floor. I was like, okay. Then the
next one, who do y'all think I am?

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
It was just I just got three separate invitations, and
I was like, yeah, I think too much of myself.

Speaker 7 (01:20:30):
Some of them I had, you know, listening to their
music and had crushes on. I was like, yeah, I
think too much of myself to be one of them chicks.
But yeah, they were remain nameless, but wow, yeah it was.
It was in the eleventor it warned, don't make no
one sound in that corner those kind of situations. I'm

(01:20:54):
just a different kind of ship. I value myself too
much in my reputation. So like, yeah, I'm gonna see
you somewhere else and be trying to sing about Jesus
and you're gonna be going.

Speaker 8 (01:21:07):
It alone.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
Yeah, what can I say? You just you're just dope.
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
You just there are so many heavenly words and descriptions
to go along with it. But in the in, in
in the in the interests of trying to encompass it
all in a way that we would say it, you
just don't thank you. I just you fired every every
time every time I see you, and and and even

(01:21:41):
the husband, I'll give him some some you know, it's
it's it's about you though. It's just it's like some people,
it's like it's just always good to see you. You
know what I'm saying, like it's energy, Like, uh, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:21:58):
It's that because you avoid unfortunately been many backstages.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
You'll be like and it's like you you you know,
you know, you're you're amongst family, you know what I mean,
you're amongst people that you know, hey, if it go down,
I know, so I guess some people in here that
got in my back.

Speaker 7 (01:22:18):
Yeah, but you know, I just don't ever want to
be the gospel artist, the Jesus girl, the church girl,
to be like, yeah, she ain't really about that, sheep,
that's just the stage.

Speaker 4 (01:22:28):
It's a whole different way.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
I don't think. Yeah, I don't. That's not even possible.
You know, you're your your life precedes you in terms
of like you know, they say in the street, ain't
no smull on your name.

Speaker 6 (01:22:42):
I ain't perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
No I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
Nobody let me tell you you ain't.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
But there's a difference. There's a difference. There's a difference
in us not being perfect and it's being human and
and just being and being something else. No, I can't
do that, you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:23:00):
I can't do that. So the way my family is
set up, they can see here smell one thing if
you lost your what.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
Is like some of us still have that accountability system
set up strong. My mama will call me and say,
is that what we're doing?

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
My mom? Be the first time.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
I don't like that one.

Speaker 8 (01:23:20):
I don't like that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Gonna get you about dabling. I don't like that, Dorel.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
You have to do.

Speaker 6 (01:23:25):
You got to do what she said. You said, yo, who.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
No if my my younger cousins probably called mee tank
put my mama, that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Right, you'll be back, You be back.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Don't he gonna see you? Come on, you're gonna stop
playing with him.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Come on, you're gonna give him a complete Yet he
out here with me and then comes showing up here.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
Absolutely you know I'm I'm on a mission.

Speaker 6 (01:23:49):
So then maybe you can't be the youth pastor. We'll
talk to Warren.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
But and we we we we appreciate more than anything
you're coming our way, hanging out with us and praying
forst more important. Thank you. That's great, and I look
I look forward. I look forward to to your acting journey.
I look forward to that. I think that's gonna be really.

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
Really really angela Baptist And.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
That was good.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
I got and I got it's crazy. I got something
I'm working on right now.

Speaker 4 (01:24:32):
Yes, yeah, we just talked about it last working on.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
Right there.

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Ladies and Gentleman.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
My name is Tank and this is the R and
B Money Podcast, the authority on all things I need it,
ARM and B.

Speaker 4 (01:24:54):
Yeah, this has been a blessing that that's too long.

Speaker 8 (01:25:00):
Where's your balance?

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
This has been a blessing from on high. They awesome,
the amazing, the beautiful Erica.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
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