Estelle

This week on The R&B Money Podcast, Tank and J welcome the incomparable, multi-talented Estelle. They will delve into the intricacies of her astounding journey beginning when she was just 9, her passion and unparalleled knowledge of music, and her dedication to God - He don't play when it comes to Estelle and that light is the conqueror of every room she enters. Estelle was building her relationships as a promoter, while producing, writing, rapping, singing, and marketing her own records before ever signing a deal. She will also share her serendipitous encounter with the Legendary Kanye West, who in turn, introduced her to the EGOT John Legend who took her under his wing, the true inspiración for her Global Smash "American Boy" and her transition into the realm of radio with "The Estelle Show", radiating her loVe for this here R&B and illuminating the path for future musical legends. There is no substitute for the mighty Estelle — Now, on The R&B Money Podcast

 

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Money. We are thank take we are the authority. And
ladies and gentlemen, my name is Tank. This it's the
R and B Money Podcast, the authority on all things

(00:27):
R and B. See you think you think R and
B is local, local joker? You you think it's local?
Huh RB a local today tonight. I don't know what
time it is where you watching it? Arms got international,
huh just elevated. Yeah, it's not just no American thing. No,

(00:48):
it's not just no American thing. I mean there was
there was an American boy of all. But it's just
American thing, you know that. See what I'm saying. We
have a love one in the building, a superstar in
the building. She does it all man makes an Yeah,
thank you. How you doing? I'm doing awesome? Girls, It's great.

(01:12):
Just going to the access beginning. Just talk you know
the way I normally talk right now, you know, try
to make you know, accommodate. Sure he feels what is happening.
This guy, you know, he's from the hood, so I

(01:33):
have to make what I have to make sure he's
you know, accommodated. But now it's about it's not terrible,
but it's just like a boy. Oh my gosh, and
it's a new They keep me here and how you doing?

(01:56):
I'm here amongst the madness and King George? What are
you both good? Great? We are good. We are happy
to have you. I love I mean, you know you're dope.
Thank you. I think you're I think you know, talent
wise and all of the cool things, like all that
is cool. But you know, your energy has been a

(02:17):
thousand percent consistent and on just a godly angelic level
since the first day I met you. And that's that's
really cool and rare. Yeah. Now, you genuinely are a sweetheart.
Thank you. Yeah, I've always felt that every time I'm
in your presence, like this is just a sweet person,
and it's tough to remain that way. Yeah, Like you
may start off, you know what I'm saying, and then

(02:40):
you really get into this ship. Yeah, and you really
start to go through some things. You start really seeing
the colors and the skins on these people, and it
can turn you, it can turn you different. Well, I
have been there, you know, like, and I always say that,
well I've said recently you have to go there to
know that you want to stay sweet and you want

(03:01):
to stay cool, you know, because it's this, this whole world,
not just the industry, is designed to make you realize
and see and face your shadow side, which is to me,
the mean side. You know, once you get cool with it,
I would say, I play nice with my shadows. I'm
clear where they are, I know what they look like.
I choose not to go there frequently, you know, And

(03:24):
and I don't take a lot of stuff personal anymore. Yeah,
you know, so that helps me stay Yeah, all right, man,
you're just probably having a bad day. I might be
having a bad day. I'll give myself grace. I think
the personal part of it is a tough bar because
as an artist, everything feels like an attack on you personally.

(03:45):
Sometimes it's all an attacks that's just not good? What
do you mean? It's not good? And you'd be like,
you don't know why I went through? How dare you now?
But maybe sometimes it ain't and and it's okay for
it not to be. Sometimes it's just a fact, you know,
it's okay, it's okay that not everybody feels the way you. Yeah,

(04:10):
that's totally fine. And so then you just start to
you start to zero in on the people who do
that part. And I believe what you put your energies.
Who was multiplies and so like, I worry about the
people worry about me in the greatest of ways, and
anybody else who doesn't or just just doesn't for the
sake of doesn't. Maybe that's I'm not your vibe. Maybe

(04:31):
we ain't in the same energy feel Maybe you're there
to let me know that there's harmony in the world,
and that's okay. It took me a minute to even
get that though, you know, because social media really had
a good hold on me. Um, just in terms of
these negative conversations. Oh yeah, I wanted to I wanted
to talk back. Sometimes you have to do it, though,

(04:54):
It's okay, all right, up, like A in the morning said,
can you please stop arguing with with girl forty eight
nine not a real girl. You're literally you're literally fighting goes.
It takes up to me. It takes like a big
amount of personal presence or just being like here right

(05:17):
to like even walk yourself off that ledge. Yeah, I
hate I used to never be this person to be
like nah f concastle like out here. So I'm up
and then and it was just like, is it changing
the price of my mortgage is it coloring my days?

(05:37):
Is it? Is it protecting my mom more? Is it?
None of that? None of it. I don't care about
you none, none of it. Like I had to say
it out, I don't care about you people, and move
along because I have drafts some days these thumbs yeah
what yeah? And then then some days when I was like,
all right, now, what's your mouth? Like be careful? And

(06:00):
sometimes the statement is what's your mouth? That's it? And
that's it. Yeah, And I always I always wonder, and
I guess it's because I've just been on the other
side of it for so long. At this point with
the business side, is you know, I'm gonna step away
from being a creative. You guys are here, but you're
a creative too, Yes, but I'm going to step out.
I'm gonna step out and step out of the circle

(06:20):
and ask a question, would it just take too much
time to reply to all the love? Because y'all find
the hate hate hate finds out. I'm literally just I'm
generally just asking that question because there will be so
much love blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Oh

(06:40):
my god, the one thing, but you hate it, see it?
Like I'm going to cut your ass out. No, see
it as a party, right, See it as it's almost
a celebration you're hosting. It's your party. You're in the
party and you're dancing, see everybody, everybody stinks up a
good time and you point the finger in you may

(07:02):
and then that's that one person comes up and completely
stops the record, grabs the DJ's mind said, this is
a bunch of bullshit. It should ain't even hot like that. Now.
I was like, so, in the in the midst of
enjoying all the love, that negative comment or whatever completely

(07:23):
interrupts the party. Okay, and pay attention to it more
because of that, because we're having such a good time
in these comments, such a great time. But then there's
also the perspective of like you give them the power
to stop the party? Is that Is that that big
of a deal what they said, right? Not that not

(07:46):
that some of the things ain't real. And before you
reply to it, to me, it's kind of like the
way you read it, I was like, I've had to
actively do this, like give it empathy, right that person
I go down there pay for response sometimes and I'm like,
you're just having a bad week, or you just feel
like this is your emo. I don't. I'm not allowing

(08:08):
you to be that big of a deal in my
day this week. So no, I'm not even responding to it.
I won't let you stop the record. You should refer
to your third post before you continue. You want me
to repost that for you. I really, I really be

(08:29):
laughing better, you know, don't even but like I'll see
something that somebody says about I'll be laughing at it,
laugh well, and it's and it also like it also
like I had to think about, like before it even
got to this point, and things that I would hear
about people that I knew it. I was like, that's

(08:51):
not true. Yeah, it's not the stuff they're doing, right,
I'm just hanging out. Everybody's going an opinion and everybody
I tried to give us money empathy because guess what,
ever be a day when I get it completely wrong
and I just want empathy. Yes, So I try my hardest,
like I have to like concertedly do it. I say,
because I'm on look, you say I'm sweet every day,

(09:12):
and I'm just like it's a concerned effort to make
sure that my spirit and everything stays in the right space.
I self correct as quick as I can. You know, like,
I'm not owed it. I didn't. I didn't. I worked
for this life. But there's there's God too, and he
gave me this, and I don't play about it, and
he doesn't play about me. So I'm more beholden to

(09:34):
God than I am to anybody and anything else. Like no,
so serious. So I like, it's a conscious thing. You know,
it's a real morning, middle of the day, you know,
and so the stuff, I'm human, Yeah, I go through it.
But the empathy part for me helps me to let
me just see what you going through this week. Look

(09:55):
at what you said on your Instagram pick. Someone told
me I pose like an old lady, and I went
to custom out and then I went down his page
and I was like, this is a twelve year old,
so of course I'm old. Yeah, it's about right. I
want to be like I wanted to be like, yeah,
your mom. You know I'm probably your mom, so you
probably think, yeah, it's about right before we move on,

(10:15):
because I was about to move on, but then you
said old and old used to bother me so bad,
you used to I'm with it, though, like i'd rather
get old than die like that old ass nigga. You ain't. No,
I'm appreciative when they call me up. No, no, I'm
not unk, old ass nigga and the negative derogatory clap

(10:36):
at me, old ass nigga. What you're doing commenting here?
What you're doing here in the shade? Run? No, Uncle's different,
Uncle's reverence, respectful, old nigga Like whatever you're like, calm down, same,
are the same? Rung calmed out? How you taking a

(10:57):
picture like that? You old ass nigga? Like, well, I'm
Richelia Rachel all right. Still. Yeah, we like to we
like to start the beginning. Yeah, we like to go
all the way back to the uk UK. We like

(11:18):
to know when first time, first time someone saw it,
or first time you felt it. I got something, discovered
that gift. Oh when I was like all right, when
I was like nine or something, at church and I
sang this song called Makeway for Love, I think like

(11:38):
it was a cover of a choir song, um, some
gospel choir and I didn't think I was good because
my friend you had the better voice, the gospel voice, right,
And I was like they were like, yeah, you're gonna
sing it, and I was like, I practiced so hard,
so hard, and Sunday morning I went and I sang it,
and everyone stood up and collapped, and it was like,

(11:59):
yeahin't I was like, and you know, and then build
it from there, you know, every I realized that, you know,
I was in quiet. So I learned I'm a natural
alto and I could. I'm really good at it. And
then I started learning how to sing all the different
ranges and all the different things, and and it was
just from there. And then I realized that like no

(12:21):
one could really sing as deep as I could sing
at the time, um for like a twelve year old,
thirteen year old, And like I learned all the rangers,
and I would start arranging with my cousins and my
nieces and my cousins and my sisters. It's nine of us. Um,
it's nine of us. Told all the time as three
girls in the group. And then my cousin and my
little friend from down the street and was in the group.

(12:41):
We thought, we're Black Street and Joe the season, Wily,
where do you fit in the number, my oldest girl,
You're the oldest girl's second oldest, second oldest. So it
starts off with just you and your big brother. No,
it starts off with me and my two younger sisters
and then my cousin. You know, I'm saying as far

(13:02):
as in the family. So it starts out with your
big brother than you. Yeah, big brother than me, and
then right behind me was my two year little sisters.
And so it was like one year, two years apart,
one year apart, two years apart to me and my brother.
I was cracking in your house. Yeah. My mom is
a g I do not aspire. She's just amazing. Yeah,

(13:27):
I'll get my dad is incredible to um. They're like
they inspire me in a whole different way. The story there,
that's what I wrote Love is rock about um. But
at the time, she was married to my stepdad for
much of my childhood and that's when we were in church. Um.
They break up when I was nineteen, and they get

(13:48):
back together when I was twenty three. Um, my mom
and my real dad get back together when I was
twenty three. Wow. And then they have stories they did,
Yeah I missed you, We got all the sys. What
we're gonna do? Mom? Dad, d you see the sere

(14:14):
But no, they their story was they met had me
and my three sisters. Two sisters split up when I
was three, got back together when I was twenty three.
I got mad when I'll stay three. Wow. So it's
been a right, it's been a riding. Yeah. Yeah, it
spend the time. But we were allays just it was
always church, it was always reggae music, it was always so,

(14:36):
it was always African. It was always all the things,
y'all just mixing it. Yeah, yeah, like church, reggae, gospel, gospel, pop,
all of it. So so in the UK is that
a thing though? For like for black families there, we're
just like we're mixing all of it. Yeah, Like you're

(14:57):
in the house and you're playing all the gospel, all
the solo, the reggae or the dance or or whatever.
And then you go to school and it's like spanned
out ballet and like Yaz and like wherever, pop group,
Spice Girls, whoever. And then you come go to church
and it's Karen Clark and it's you know, Donald Lawrence

(15:17):
and all of them, and my favorite rates like she like,
oh gosh, I got to interview them and I was
just like um, and then you know, and then so
like all of that just mixes up. It's just it's
just whatever was good stuck. Yeah, you know that's crazy. Yeah, yeah,
I mean because I find I'm fine, Like I find

(15:40):
like the traditional roots still exist in the UK, you
know what I mean, especially for R and B music.
Yea so army. It would be like you hear the
story and I guess the idea is that R and
B artists will get like extradited or they were going
tour and be famous in Europe. In the UK, yeah,

(16:02):
and so our appreciation for them was different because we
saw them far more often and in more celebrated ways
back in the day than they were celebrated in the US. Right.
So yeah, for instance, when I know that when he
first came out, someone like music Soul Child would be
in the UK regularly. Yeah, And it was the same
for hip hop groups, and it was the same for

(16:22):
you know, like just R and B legends. They're always
they tore consistently in the UK, all the festivals, all
the soul beaches, whatevers. It's made up of legendary American artists.
So we saw them like when I was twelve, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,
eighteen nineteen, I was like glad as night and you know,

(16:43):
like seeing real music regular day. I used to be
jealous about that because all of my from genuine my
first overseas tour was with him in ninety eight. Yeah,
and I used to see Joe going over there like
crazy of course you said music soul Child, Carl Thomas,
all these guys going over there. I'd be like, I

(17:06):
don't want to go do that. And I never got
an opportunity to really build a touring base, you know, overseas.
But I mean I do, I do well now, but
I'm still like, like, take Joe for instance, Yes, like
most times when I go on like I'm on his ticket,
you know what I'm saying, because Joe over there is.
But he had the opportunity of course. Yeah, he really

(17:28):
got dug in. Yeah Joe, it's Joe. Yeah, like not again, yeah, yeah,
Joe jacketed like John b like those guys, like guys
over there. You know, I remember a TDT went over there,
and we have been doing our thing over here in
the States, and you know, the screams are great in
the States. It's exciting. Yeah, but we walked out on

(17:52):
that hammer Smith Apolo. States different, it's different. Yourself was like, listen,
it was so different that before we were walking out
on stage, me and Genuine had damn, they're cussed out
Tyrese and had went upstairs and made our own dressing
room in another room, left him downstairs, right like we're

(18:14):
always about to fight. And we come downstairs, they playing
the intro music, were all about to go on stage.
Tyres is standing right there, me and Genuine is standing
over here like this, standing on Twitter. Go we on tour.
I do something to him. No, I do something to
him to have a Tyres question, all right, sorry to
cut you, Okay, No, what what's this? What's this like?

(18:35):
Coming off? This was coming off with a black tie era, right, yes?
So was it just like could it have been remnants
of the black tie energy? No, it's just m So
that's my brother. I love him. It's just Tyres. It No,
no remnants of nothing. It's just I can tell you sorry.
So we are literally about to walk on stage, divided,

(19:00):
not even talking to each other, like on some like
beef real beef. Yeah. And we start walking out on
that stage and the building starts to shake and we
just all look at each other like like a five
heartbeat and it's that moment, you know, for me in

(19:28):
London that always gives me hope for you know, for
of course our group, but just R and B period,
because I know there's a place like I know there's
I know there are places they really love this R
and B music. Yeah, yeah, it's it's like that. It's

(19:49):
it's unexplainable. It's unexplainable, and I love seeing it every
single time I see like an artis school women and
like look at this Hampson Apolo, Brixton Academy, whatever, whatever,
and I'm just like, yeah, we love it, like this
is this is it. And so there's a certain amount
of truth that you're forced to do if you're coming
up as an R and B artist in the UK.
There's no version of this that that we're going to

(20:10):
allow you to kind of she mean, shake your way
into it and just kind of be okay, like they're
gonna drew you down. Let me he's seeing a Cappello
over and over again. I mean when you said in
the lyrics, let me see what you look like consistently
and are you real? And do we know your family?
And how far back into the island seat. People just
want to know everybody because your journey, yeah, your musical journey,

(20:31):
having to prove and show up and show out, yes, consistently.
So it's not it's not a thought in my head
to pop out and have to do something, you know,
like I'm convicted. I know what I'm walking with and
I'm good so when I do call up. No. I

(20:57):
was with the crew Black Fang and he's an artist
in the UK and he had me come and wrap
on one of his records. This is the short version,
and I think at the time and the error it
was Miss Dynamite who was out and I was doing
my thing on the underground. I wasn't you know, everyone
knew me but hadn't had a record out. And I

(21:18):
kept going to the labels and kept having records and
they kept like self produced, I self distributed all well.
I was singing still with an apostrophe in the middle
of I don't know, um, that's nonsense, but here we are.
And so he put me on it. It was like yo,

(21:39):
just rap and so I wrapped on it and people
started knowing me around the UK and Europe as this girl,
and I took every opportunity to go on the road
with him. But that was the moment when people were like, oh,
and then it was me. I didn't look like. I
wasn't trying to be I wasn't putting myself in any
other lane that they thought I should look like, be
like feel like. I was just like, this is me.

(22:01):
I'm gonna wrap like how I rap. And people were like, yo,
this this girl. They was feeling it. So and from
there on, age just kind of like doors were opened.
Doors were opened, doors are open. But we were working
at the same time, you know. Every time he was
like come to Europe, come to wherever, Come do the
show in Germany, Come do this tour in Spain, come

(22:22):
do this stuff I was doing that, I would move out.
I would go do it, and then I would also
be producing my own records. I would also be like
doing my own records like China Work. Yeah. I was
all of the things independently, read the books, figured out
I needed a distributor, got a distribute, recorded demos that
sounded ridiculously terrible, putting them on this mixtape, put them

(22:47):
out like moved, you know, and this point I'm like,
at this point, I'm like twenty but one, twenty one,
twenty but I've been doing it since I was seventeen. Yeah,
producing your own stuff. Yeah, just trying to find a way, Yes,
figuring it out. My mom's girl. So was there ever
a time where you thought about going to school, I'm

(23:12):
done with this, No, I did. I did. So our
high school is college. Um so sixteen eighteen, so I was.
I went to college for journalism. So the whole time.
At the same time, I'm like working a day job,
like several day jobs. So I had work in my
suspenses grocery store, and then I worked to a company
called Darker than Blue, which was a early in the

(23:35):
game website about black music. So, okay player or yeah
you know here we call it blue black Yeah, dark blue. Yeah.
It was named after the Curse may Full song were
the people that are dark and and he they had
me hide as the gigs that I wanted to be
a writer. I wanted to just figure out how to

(23:56):
be in music, how to be in this thing that
I love so much. And my friend Fusion was like,
do you know how to write reviews? I was like, well,
I've write I've written all these stories. I was a
usually creative kid. I had this folder full of stories
and he was like, come on work for me. I
was like, okay, cool. It was a gigs at it.
So I would go to gigs and review him, and
I would also be on stage at the gigs. Right,

(24:19):
it was like yeah, like they But then it was
also like parties too, so I had I built up
a beautiful network of knowing all the parties, all the
promoters and all the things. So it was a lot
of love and ground swell when my first album came up,
because people really knew me, you know, it was outside.

(24:41):
They were happy for you. They were very happy. And
that's still like that's the foundation of my career to
a degree. You know, it's a lot of real love.
You know, people saw me really working. Yeah, like going out,
do the day job, go to the gig, go to
sleep at like five in the morning, wake up at
nine am, go back to work again every day. I
love it. I love it. Was like they like the

(25:02):
UK is a very territorial kind of place, like if
if you have the back, they'll give you their backing
and their blessing. Like they want to own they want
this us, you know what I'm saying, Like like how
Callie is or how New York Atlanta is like it's
this very thing where it's like very much, this is

(25:23):
ours Like people in my DMS and mentions all now,
like when you're coming home and I'm like, I don't
even know you. What do you talk? Like? Why are
you you never met? What are you saying? I missed
your skinny man? Stop looking at that page? It's like,
who is this akin? Maybe I know? Maybe I know
he was he was two when I was moving around?

(25:46):
What are you saying? But I appreciate it? So what
was what was the breakout moment? Do you feel um
in the world or just from there? Like I mean
it starts there, but then I mean, I guess it'll
translate to the world can do it? And the breakout
moment for the world is or there was tricks to

(26:06):
the world American boy had to be right? And so
how do we get flight? Like why are we taking
this flight from the UK? So tricks that happens. I'm building,
I'm moving, I'm moving. I go to a label they
say no, eventually end up signing to the same label

(26:27):
via production company. Um, it's always a matter. It just
becomes this repeating story of like, hey, I'm really good. Nah,
somebody else brings me in. Oh she's good, right, sign Yeah,
got that understood. It didn't quite get it the second
time it happened, and this is all in the UK.
Still though this is in the UK. UM I asked

(26:48):
to be let go from the label because when we
top twenties everything, everything's going great. Nineteen eighties record I
have comes out and they don't believe it's going to
do so well, but it does better than expected. We recoup.
We're good, right. Second album comes around and I'm like,
John Legend wants to help me work on this album?

(27:08):
Is that produce it? Do you meet him somewhere in
this time? So, in this period of time before I
even sign the Steel and get out there, I'm still
working on my mixtapes, doing stuff independently. I'm just convicted.
I'm like, I need to meet this guy, John Legend.
I heard all his records on this Kanye mixtape. I
need to meet him. And that's when I go to La. Well,
I pray God, I need two thousand dollars to get

(27:30):
to La. I get I get a cool like within
twenty four or forty eight hours, saying yo, go on
tour with this girl jam media and do Rad Diggers
parts on this guest record that she has with rad Digga. Cool.
How much they pay in two thousand hounds? Right? Cool?
So two thousands and this is when I'm like, no
one can tell me. Nobody can tell me nothing about God. Okay,

(27:51):
So go on this tour, get this two thousand pounds,
go to America and I'm in LA and I'm working
on more demos, and I would on the street. I'm
just this is I'm playing this mixtape in the hotel
room to the point my friend that come with me
just rolling with me. He's like, oh, and I'm just like, nah,
I feel something with this. I feel that I feel it.
Walked down the street to Rusco's and Kanye's in there.

(28:15):
I don't see John at all. I just thought Kanye
for John, like, Yo, you're great, you know some of
the same people I know. Listen, listen, listen. Can you
are John? Yeah? I was like no, because I need
to meet John. I have this song. I'm prepared. I
have it on my dad tape. Right, I wasn't seeding
the small CDs. It's like two thousand and two, two

(28:37):
thousand and three, and we go to studio and meet John.
He just takes you immediately. No, he um like this even.
He's like, come to studio later. And I was like, okay,
you've never met this man in your life. No, You're like,
but we know a couple of the same people. Yeah,
And then we just started talking like this is this
is God. He don't play about me, so don't play
with so we're taught. Like He's like, comes to you.

(29:01):
I was like, cool, I don't really think he's gonna.
I'm thinking this gonna right. Yeah, he's not. He's not.
It's probably a wrong number. He's like, yeah, come to Recomplant.
So we'll go to Recomplant and I'm there freezing thinking
this la. I didn't bring no co weather clothes, so
it's cold by the time I get to the studio
and I'm just want to go home. I don't like
coal weather. And John's in the studio. Met John said hey,

(29:25):
here's the song. Um, listen to it in your own
time because I don't even know if it's like the
snuff right now, and I'm all nervous. He's like cool, cool, cool. Um.
A couple days later, he calls and he says, yeah,
Kanye lights it says I can do it, so let
me just do it, and then me and John get
really cool, like he's like, yo, like you just your ballsy,

(29:47):
like you got guts. I'm just like what we else?
Like I'm supposed to be scared. I don't that gene
doesn't exist. I don't know what that means. Um, I'm
just like, thank you, cool, cool do the He comes
to London, we build up a report and he sees
me really working. He sees me like putting my money
where my mouth is, and he says, come on the
road with me. Because every time he comes on the

(30:08):
road or goes on the road in the UK, we're
promoting my album, which has since come out. He's done
the record, it's come out, his album's gold, and he's
winning all the Grammy's and doing it staying and he's touring,
but he's taking me with him, and everybody's like, like,
who is this? So when I go to the label
at the end of this and everything's a success on

(30:28):
our end and he's gold and they're like, who's John Legend?
And I just want to punch a wall because I
want it. Because he was like I was like, he's
gonna Zet produce this album for me, which becomes Shine
and has an American boy in it, and they're like,
who's he? And I was just like, let me go?
Can you? Can you drop me? Please? Drop me? This
is nonsense. I was genuinely like, now, let me go, please,

(30:51):
please let me go. It took them three years, so
two thousand and four, five, six seven. It took them
to two thousand and seven two A sign off Atlantica
in I'm signed to John's label, the Atlantica Just like,
what are this label doing? What the heck to the
point where they were just like, we'll buy you out.
We're good. Just it's twenty thousand dollars. Just we'll get

(31:13):
it done right, Yeah yeah, And they buy me out
the deal and I was like cool, And I come
to the US. I've already been back and forth so much.
I'm already pretty much in my deal and I'm moving
and start from scratch because no one here knows me.
Yeah whatever. That was weird because you know, I'm already

(31:34):
me in London, I was Christian Luvertanz before they knew
what luvertizer look out, look out. Yeah, I come here
and I'm like, whoa baby if person. This is this
gonna be just you, says just you John, John John's
you know, John's coming. So I was, I wait. I

(31:58):
used to wait for Jamie to give the club on
the way, so he told me to check out the section.
I wait, Okay, I wait, I wait. I love that.
I wait, like whole soul, the same security that used
to work for me too. So but anyway, another story.
Look at that the calm of the journey. Yeah yeah,
so you're brand new in the US. I'm brand new,

(32:19):
but again I've been moving around with John to a
degree and building my own relationships, and so time American
Boy comes around, we record that maybe the first week,
first few months of being fully for real sign, I mean,
Miami having a good sign. Come on, come on, come on.

(32:39):
She stopped, she acted out. No, it was. It was
beautiful like Miami's one of my Miami's separate from Florida.
Just this is my personal perception of Miami's separate from Florida. Um.
But I had a good time, and I was we

(33:00):
were out there recording with John and I had the
chance to go with where I am. I'm just all hyped,
like I ain't worried. That's gonna be good. I thought,
we care, We're just gonna have fun. My cousin kept
sending me CDs and I was like, I was bubbling.
I was listening to all the house, all the soul
or the garage from home and this is guy with

(33:21):
super ds and mixtape DJ Okay so cuberd mixtapes, and
I'm out here like hey said, no, I'm out here bubbling,
like this is my in my in Miami, right, So
you know it's similar in the in the energy, having
a good time in Miami. And we go into studio.
John's like, what you want to ride about? I was like,

(33:42):
whoa is? Like what you've been doing? I was like,
I've been out here outside outside, outside, let's try about
these boys. And he's like, well, let's try about the
boys then, and I was like, I don't mean to
be fair. Outside outside, I wasn't doing too much. I
was just being time. Everybody's version outside, every different. Some

(34:04):
people in capital letters, okay, mom was I was all
all small. No, it wasn't a couple of capitals, but
outside outside caps one outside. I was hard enough to
write about it. Yes, the outside. I don't know what

(34:30):
he's talking about. No, it was. It was just fun
and for me it was just looking at different types
of it was Cuban boys and Spanish man and I
was just like, what is this, you know, like it's
my end the UK like that, and so it was fun.
It was just a different energy. So when I'm thinking
everyone things about American boys, I'm just like, well, technically,

(34:57):
I don't think. I didn't know the difference really was.
That's it. I have a cop from there. You know.
They had a little white cars. Look at you, look
at you, right back to the play hold up. Um.
So I was just I was just having a good time.

(35:18):
A couple of my homies are out there. It was
just a fun time and that was it. We wrote
about it. Didn't think about it. It's an hour, a
couple of hours in the studio. Um who produced that? Well,
I am his peeping him in his people wow. And
they had that beat sitting and they didn't really think
it was gonna do much. I remember him saying, I
don't think it's the hit. I said, well, if it's not,

(35:39):
we're going to I be far and it's gonna be
a white label. That's how you say it. Yeah, Okay,
that's how you say it. That's how I said. I
thought it was, yeah, because when you went you told me, yeah,
that's what I thought it was. That's what I heard.
I be for I'm back. Oh god, yeah, don't hate it,

(36:05):
don't happy? Is it the real? The Hurricanes back? So
you're like, I'm going there anyway, so it's whatever, It's fine,
like it'll be whatever. And that's literally. I just was like, look, people,
I love it. I'm dancing to it. I'm happy. Yeah,

(36:29):
and the label go ahead and they started playing it
to everyone and it was like I played this to
my little nephew and I played to my kids and
I played it to him and everybody was just like
it was that vibe to me. It's the baseline on
that record. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's happy though, exactly, but

(36:54):
it's kind of aggressive but it's happy though it's kind
of blah blah blah. That was on purpose. That was
on purpose, blah blah, like you on purpose. The frequencies
are really really like happy. Where were you going for happy?
You were going for that, you were going for this,

(37:15):
I'm making a happy record. I was no. I was
like this, I just feel like I'm dancing right, now
this makes me feel of joyful times. I feel like
joyful times in London and I was channeling this girl,
this lady from Heidi High, Um. I think her name
was sup Pollard and she was the dizziest, happiest person
that ever was. Um, we were singing it. I went

(37:37):
to Elephant Jerald in my hage, one of my favorite
jazz musicians. She's the bible for me. Um, and I
was like, Ella was singing this, where would she go?
I kept going all these deep notes and like and
John was just like, you know, like so me and
him sat there and taught music because at this point,
me and I'm like we're musical partners. You know, we

(38:00):
could just go back and forth about things. And he
was like, you know, like how back in he was
just I'd be singing something, he'd be like, you know,
like how back in the day, when go for that,
I'd be like cool, and you know, translate immediately immediately.
It's easy with him. Um. And so he was like,
you know, like how Diana Rust and Supremes where they

(38:21):
were like take the base out of your voice kind
of thing and just sing like go for that. And
I was like suppllowed Tae just happy when you sing it,
so and to me, I smiled little way through it,

(38:41):
and I was like, people are gonna energy people, you know,
when you're really channeling what you're singing, people feel it.
And to me, that's just a consistent response to that record.
People just get happy when they hear it. It's the spirit,
it's not you know. So that was that and we
just as left. It didn't take too long in that overthink,
it just sang it. How long did it take to

(39:03):
come out before you are after you recorded? Full year?
He said a year, A full year. I say a
full year because the days were it was just like,
oh my god, you yeah, well yeah, it's feeling you
get when you got a record. Yeah, and you're ready
to Man at this point, I'm like, there are some

(39:23):
beautiful heart Fall records on this album. I just want
to have fun though, you know, this one makes me
happy and also makes atlantic really happy. Yeah, let's just
go like took Kanye a good eight months to get
to it. Yeah, that happens, but he did it. But

(39:44):
with without the record is just joy, yes, you know,
and that's I'm happy. So that was the world wide breakout.
It did exactly what we wanted and what I wanted
for it to do. I wanted people to feel joy alright,
So we got some other segments to get to right

(40:05):
before we do um you diverse five, you move into
other things. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Talk talk
to me about your progressions. Apple Music. Yeah, and this
is the blessing of life when I love it there,

(40:27):
I love it. It's a good time listen. I had
the idea a few years back to like twenty sixteen
to do a show a podcast, and I was like,
we should just go to Apple and asome about it.
At the time, they were switching over and doing some things.
They didn't have the space for it. I was like, cool,
first for meant to be will come back. Around twenty eighteen,
we went back to them off of Lover's Drop. One

(40:49):
of our friends was like, I'm going to stay over
this right, A couple of writers and they were like,
you should have a show because you just know too
much music. How all the people that you know come
on the show. And I was just like, I wasn't
even thinking that. I send them an email. We send
them an email, I my team, we send them an
email about this years ago. So let's send it again,

(41:10):
you know, let's just send them an email, knock them
they got space for They came back and said, it's
a great idea for a podcast. How about you come
on and do a radio show and be with us
five days a week. And yeah, yeah. Then I was
just like, for sure, absolutely, yes, let's do that to

(41:31):
be fun. And then I start going and we can
have and but they are they are solid partner. They
support a lot of things we do, and they're like
very much like, whatever you do, we want to be
a part of it. Whatever you whatever you think is great,

(41:51):
let's be you know. And so it's myself and two
other main co host angers, Jasen Strombo, and we're the
main on Apple Music Kids, which is contemporary or urban
contemporary music. I get to do the R and B
side of it. I get to do the soul side
of it. I get to do the reggae side, whatever
music on one side of it. And so I play
a bunch of records. I love to hear it. I
know people who I messed with personal it really is.

(42:14):
And I interview all the heroes and greats and you know,
y'a't have to at this point come on the show.
But it's very like people. I like people. I love
musicians I've grown up with. We've been interviewed Al Green
and Eddie Laverte and and Jimmy Cliff and you know,
down to JT from you know, seeing you girls like

(42:36):
I just I love what I love and I talked
to who I love. And again this is the more
I say, and the more I realize it's God is
just like, do what you want. You're good. I gave
you all these things. I gave you all these dreams
to them and I'm to day job, I doing music,
and or I should said it best right. I was

(42:58):
interviewing him, Yeah, throw the flows out there. It's fine
because he's supposed to be there. I was, okay, he
fixed my posture. But for Your Style show we interviewed
him and his residency and we were talking and he said,
I'm doing this if it doesn't mean I can't do
That doesn't mean if I'm doing a residency, but I
can still don't on a roll when I'm ready, and

(43:19):
I can still go make an album and already this
doesn't mean that I'm stuck here. And just reinforce my
thought process of like you can do what you want.
You really can't do what you want, and you should
all just do what we want, like as artists expand
you're here doing this. You know this. I love this show.
It's TV show to me, so that it's a weekly watch,

(43:40):
you know, I watched the show like I'm catching up
on the older episode. I'm just it's it's a necessary
platform and it's really the idea of do what you want.
You know, do exactly what you want, don't worry about it.
If you're in alignment, it will be celebrated that we
lifted up. Now you're doing you're doing is amazing. That

(44:01):
transition has been amazing. And you you're so knowledgeable. Thank
you about what we all do. And well, you know
what I mean, like you got it. Thank you guys.
It just makes sense, you know what I mean, Like
you're supposed to be where you're at. I believe it.
Thank you, you know what I mean. And the music
is you know, you're a stale you know, you know,

(44:23):
at the end of the day, music come in, you know,
we have records come in and features and yeah, the
other so again under the due I wanted to top five, Okay,
already you're top five, my top five stales, top five.

(44:45):
Oh my word, you're top five? Okay, song, oh wow
thing freath Yeah but you know, oh god, but you know,

(45:06):
you know my cheek. Why do I feel like I'm
watching a movie where like a Midwest team white girl
gets pregnant on that's to your to juggle deal Lord deal,

(45:35):
old Jesus, hallelujah, hallelujah. Stills topic, I would like to
know the breathe out on the five. Still your top

(45:55):
five R and b artists? How well, this is hard
because female female, because and it's gonna it's gonna go
into sub genres. Still nothing, I'm right, okay, so top
top because this is like first pivotal point in my life.

(46:17):
Um eliphate Gerald. Yes, I was thirteen years old sitting
in the bus going, yes, my little woman, like, how
do you sound like this? Lost my mind. Stole the
tape from my friend Natalie, her granddad's UM tape. I
stole it from them. It was good times. Um so
yeah Elephis. Sheerald to another pivotal point for me. Joe

(46:38):
see and just just would you all to see and
more and I and the more of their more growing
I get, the more I'm like, give it to Casey
and Jojo because you're not screaming harmonies like that and
making a sing along under the direction. I knew you're
gonna come on tut Okay, okay, he told Okay. Davante

(47:03):
was a g Remember that Joe, Joe and Ksey were
courtet singers. So all of those harmonies, most of them
are aggressive until they break it down. You know what
I'm saying, God call it you you. Yeah, most times
you are to be its most time? Is that hard? Yeah?

(47:27):
So that combination of them and then intricacy, it's beautiful.
So I love I love Joe to see just down
down the line, Um, Karen clock Ship and the sisters.
It's uncle Angel. When I was growing up, and it
was just like it taught me like how to individually sing,

(47:49):
but also singing the choiet or in a group with
my sisters and that. So when I realized I could
do something sing a little bit, I was like, I'm
the group arranged. Okay. Yeah. She was like yeah, yeah,

(48:11):
this is that's what we're gonna do. And so for me,
it was just like hearing all these different sounds and
all these like singing again, like Josie like just go
in and like you hearing all the notes and then
like they were singing around sometimes. But Angels for me
was the one that stuck in my soul, like the words,

(48:33):
the lyrics that I really felt like I felt Angels like,
you know, like so Karen Clouds, she and the Clouds Sisters,
Misia Paris. She doesn't get taught about it enough. She's
a British She's a British artist. She's one of the
original the ogs, the reasons why I could stand here. Um,
she's a song called you on My One Temptation and
she was coming off with the back of shade. She

(48:54):
was brown skin, she's a she was a woman. She
looked like a woman, you know, like and she just
looked like me, like like if I grew up, I
could be her. And she was. She was singing though
she wasn't up there like giving Yeah, Mesha Paris, she
wasn't up there giving gentle and just like you know
an m I a c A Paris, and she she

(49:20):
was singing. She was up there predecessing all of us.
No one gets her enough props, you know, so Mesha Paris. Yeah, Okay,
it's a combination. Don't know Lawrence roncan On League and
Daryl Coley. Wow you went there, dear God, dear guy,

(49:44):
because because because I'm a Rocket League, I don't even
know what a version of gospel people consider him. But
he's highly underrated. And I just feel like, I it's
not a song of his that I don't know by
memory now still as a whole grown that wasn't singing

(50:06):
when I was like twelve to fifteen. You know, you're
just like I bust into it like it's real. Like
I learned about Abraham the Boreal, the world's greatest bass player, um,
and I learned about him from watching runkin Only Live,
you know, And to me it was just like that
moved my childhood in a certain way. You know. I

(50:27):
learned how to again, how to direct, how to move
and you know all that stuff. Don't know Lawrence because
I didn't even and I didn't even know that he'd
had such a hand in so many different gospel artists
careers until I interviewed him. But just what the hell
you know? Like where you hearing from God? Yes, consistently?

(50:48):
And then Daryl Coley because it didn't make sense. It
still don't make sense's special. I don't know him, i've
never met him. I just hear his voice, and I'm
always very much like just a standalone vocal. Just don't
need a capella. I don't want to practice to him.

(51:10):
I just hear it. I listened to him to feel good.
I don't know where you're going at any given time,
and I'm fine with that. Just sing and it feels good,
and that's okay, thank you. I'm going to go about
my day and listen to wherever trap music I was
on this week. I just needed to hear this to
make me jump up a little. Yeah. Now I'm back
to I might learn tomorrow, but you know, like this

(51:32):
is he's one of the ones that change the switch
for me, as far as in the same vein as
Elephantz Jerold, you can do anything. Yeah, your voice, our voices,
our instruments, train it, work with it. He's for sure
the pioneer foundational brick. Yeah, I'm gonna give you your
flowers because I know that's what you do here. But
like I'm gonna tell you this, Um, you've been so

(51:56):
you've been moving for I'm changing. I'm saying that this
like this, I don't ways think I'm dating you, but
like you we know your foundation is your foundation. No,
you know, you know you're still You're good. But it's
just very much like it's it's a blessing to see
somebody just get better and just leaps and bows get
But I remember I feel like the first time I

(52:17):
saw you before and I'm it's gonna make you laugh.
It was with Jamie in London at Kathy to Parry
and Jamie pulled me on stage, but I was I
was I was front row because i was studying, all right,
I'm looking at these guys come over and sing R
and B and I'm like, well, this is just great.
I'm having a time and I'm a still in the

(52:38):
UK at this point. No one knows me here, right
but I'm studying and he pulls me, but I'm watching
the background singers. I'm watching you sing and I can't
remember who else was there, but I just remember thinking,
I was just like that's Tank. Like in my head,
I'm like, it's I feel like I deserve like your
Americans are out and I'm just like that's Tank, and
they sounds so like I'm just giving all the like

(53:01):
there's no differentiation of respect. Well it's Jamie Watson. It's like, no,
that's like my whole head is just like at this time.
And I don't know. I wasn't even paying attention when
he called me up because I didn't think he was
talking to me. But I was very like, I was
just stunning. I was like just happy and amazed to
see you know, like singing just period in that period

(53:23):
of time on stage, you know, and then so like
just watching you just consistently just it's it's it's it's
a note to longevity, and it's a note to just
somebody said this to me. Bebbie Smith said it to me.
It gets greater later. You know. With capricorns, we tend
to sit in our skin and it just gets good
when it gets good as we get grown because we

(53:43):
just sit, you know, we get more seasons than the
last stuff. And it's just like watching you here now
this is what I want to see, you know, this
is it. So I love I love your journey. It's inspiring,
it's beautiful and just keep me in you man, Wollah,
thank you. That's crazy. That was a compliment. That was
like like to find to to receive a compliment in

(54:08):
that moment because that was a tough moment for me. Yeah,
that was like, that was not Tank at its height.
That was Tank, you know, having to completely humble himself
and say, hey, man, I need a job, I need
to kids, I gotta pay for my kids. My career
is not cracking. Can I come on the road and

(54:31):
help you with yours? But the blessing in it is
that you blessed me, like you have me out here,
like I'm still up here studying, Like how do they
sound so good? Yeah? And I got my backgrounds. I'm
out here like, well, you don't sound good type of
people like that sounds. I learn how to. I learned
how to. I learned how to from watching. I learned

(54:51):
how to manage, you know, like what I wanted to hear,
what it should sound like, what it should be like. Yeah,
there's no formal education for this. I you're a prival singer.
You should you should sing, you should. You're good at
what you do, like you you know, half faster, you
go with it with excellence, you know, and the people
you support and the artists that you big up and

(55:13):
people that you they're excellent. They're out here doing halfway
music or I'm kind of sure about who they are,
like the quality of guests. You know, you guys out here,
it's R and B. It's real, thank you, So it's fine.
It's good. Man's cool to Johnny, thank you. Come on,
let's get to that real thing, that real thing. Come

(55:35):
to list for you, man. Top five Okay, Army songs,
Army songs, songs in jams and jams, jam and see
yours can be different because like you your yeah, her
information is so different. So cool, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay,

(56:01):
because I had a different list, but like we're gonna
go with this, Okay, Marvin and Tammy pick any um,
you're not living into your loving mm hmm. Yeah, my
mind was blown when I heard that record. Yea words,

(56:24):
the lyrics are true, but my mind was blown when
I heard them sing that. I heard the vinyl of
it first, and and I listened to it as I'm
recording albums that you go through your phases of listening
to different arts, and I had heard it one time
in one frame of mind, and I was just like,
I believe that they hadn't they were they were in love? Yeah,

(56:46):
I believe there was some form of soulmates to these two,
because you don't sing at each other like that if
you don't believe what you're singing. There's just different energy
and different conviction with them. Nothing. Yeah, and just to me, this,
as much as the technicality with some songs, to me
is the feeling, it's the emotion. And that song to me,

(57:07):
it was just like whoa like, never tell you nothing.
I was like, I'm right, I see why your heart
was broken. So I get it. I understand when she paused,
I get it, you know. So that's one um so
blessed m and and it's again it's related to the

(57:33):
period of time I was going through, and she's like
literally detailing her life and why she's so blessed. Wake
up in the morning for them fresh to death. I'm
so blessed, so blessed. You know. We went to sleep,
stress refreshed. I'm so blessed. Yes, yes, she's kind of
rapping on that record, so I kind of like it.
But it's the intention in the words and it just
makes it just it's like a It's like Vibratian for me,

(57:56):
powers me up, you know, Anita Baker give you though.
That's that got baby I can't wait for that tour
my baby face and Anita Baker that you're kidding me, man,
I'm just gonna I'm just gonna breathe out and get

(58:19):
my singing and shoes ready, get my singing pants on.
I'm ready. I'm wearing flip flops, the bad time flop.
I need you a Baker best, I go How did
your video? How did you do it? To about his foot?

(58:45):
Go for it? Go for it, Desiree, gotta be Yeah.
I love that song. Yeah, it's good, ain't it. It's
simple in the same way that don't worry be happy,
just the two of us, don't you worry about it.
I think it's simple like that and American Boy just

(59:06):
to feel good records feels good and the words at
the words are true. I'm a big words and make
it makes sense person two people? All this fair love.
Stevie wonders, Well we live in Legend wrapping him in bubbles,
So grateful for him another again, John Legend, mha, because goddamn.

(59:36):
And I heard the very first aeration of that record,
like whatever he did, like I feel like there was
a version of it, or maybe there was like a
mix is different, something but hearing him play it, it
was just like, who are you showing whose who feelings
and whose hearts and and it's it's I'm not placing
them together at all, but all this fair love Stevie Wonders.

(59:59):
Just man, I we know that comes from God. You're
Annie Boltryn. Okay, I want to know who you're gonna
get the vocal from. Who are you gonna get here? Yeah?

(01:00:20):
The performance style, from the styling from and the passion
of the artists. Okay, I'm gonna build it who you're
grabbing the vocal from? The vocal shells go. She could
do anything, anything, She could do anything. She's not even
trying effortless. It feels good just to get cush you out.

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And I will and I will take it with a smile.
Maybe I deserved. How would you saying, she she's so cold,
just press just standing there, just cold. That's that's tough, okay,
Jill Scott performance style. Yeah, I'm a I'm a new

(01:01:11):
renewed pure fan from the Vegas Residency. You've seen the
first show of the second show, second show, Monster show. Jesus,
he's in skates, he's skates. I can barely breathe it, like,
what are we doing? Like I can't breathe it. I
can't breathe sing and be on skates like pick one

(01:01:32):
or the two. I can normally appreciate a great performance,
but I can't do that. I can not even close that.
It made me do more push ups. I'm saying, yeah,
the next thing, but you gotta like sing the very doing. Yeah,

(01:01:52):
that would be you can do that something the Agelo
did that, you could do it. I gotta he did it,
all right, he did damn that in Lon do pull ups? Well,
I'm saying, easy muscle ups. You know what I do
a muscle up to the mic. People, y'all gonna start this, okay,
all right? Who we got? We got vocal Jill Scott,

(01:02:14):
performance style ussure um, the drip, the styling of okay,
okay now because okay, I can't see myself, no joking,
yea in my bag, I see myself. But like, also,

(01:02:34):
you know another artist, I appreciate their style and people
like and she pops out, she pops out, and she
looks good every time. Santi Gold flies here, Lie, she
flies here. Lie on a lot of people's vision boards, yeah,
a lot of people's boys they're taken. They're taking taking
from that. Santi Gold. She's one of the ones people

(01:02:55):
need to stop watch her um passion, the heart of
the artist, the soul any A Baker down, I might
cry Anya Baker. It was gonna be an A Baker,
always gonna be Marvin and Temmy. It's either I heard

(01:03:16):
a need to sing a piece of Happy Birthday? How
did you feel? That gave me chills, And he called
me about her singing Happy Birthday. It's just a piece.
It ran to do my soul. Yeah, I didn't know
what to do with myself. Yeah, it's about right. Yeah.
And I was like, I don't know what I'm gonna
do at a full concert. No, I know what I'm

(01:03:37):
gonna do. I just want you to film yourself and
I'll feel myself too. He definitely gonna be feeling Okay,
look at this punk Ye gods, that's a dope bull man.
You kidding me? Yeah, Passion, that's how that's that. That

(01:04:00):
her music, that's that's what taught me R and B music.
And I love you know what I love about her?
What I relate the most, Like you don't have to
go it's hard all the time. Her tone is her
tone like she floats. Betty White said that to me too.
She's like, you don't have to holler. She did. She
told me I could just bet Ever tell you anything nothing. Wow.

(01:04:21):
So Betty White tell Betty right, no, right, very right.
She said to me. She was like, we did a
Black Girls talking and the next day she's like, I
saw you singing Conqueror and your voice is your tone
is beautiful? Just you know. She didn't say like as much.
She's like you. I love that you don't like have
to holler. You can just give and that's that's your

(01:04:42):
superpower essentially within your Sean told me that one day,
me and me and Sean were doing We're doing that record.
She's both y'all flexing on me at the point, what
Sean are you talking about? Stanos Menka, Honey, let's get out.
This is Capricorn and he was he was talking about that.

(01:05:03):
He was he was doing it my Michael Jackson. You
know what, Yeah, there's the big space. But he was like,
he's like, yeah, think I don't sing Cloud. I was like,
what do you mean? I just this is how I sing,
how I talk? Are you that's how I think? And

(01:05:25):
I just sing like that. I was like, uh, it works, Okay,
got you. And then I was having a conversation with
my kid, kid the kid Darryl Walls from Walls Group,
and he was like, he's like, I gotta get out
of screaming, man. I was like, I'm trying to figure
out how to get out of it too. Yeah, because
I just have this the space of aggression that I

(01:05:45):
love to go to and and and that's always been
me emulating John p Key. Yeah, it's always been me
trying to live in that heavy space when I'm naturally
a cross between baby Face and Brian Knight. That's where
I naturally live. Yeah. Right, It's just like how do
I how do I dial it back? What I mean,

(01:06:06):
get present and just and even explore more of my
lower register which I never use, Like I can sign
down here. I'm saying, who's very white right now? Can we?
You'll never find we need more? No, Barry White is listen,
Barry White is underrated. That's brilliant. He's he was a monster,

(01:06:27):
but brilliant. He used to take his time and and
spawned so many groups and just musical album like Understand
for Fun. Yeah, hey, listen, the most urgent. He sound
was like, what's the world? Boom boom boom boom boom

(01:06:52):
boom boom. What's that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love you
just a little bit more, Yeah, exactly, singing hard my
first everything everything, Yeah, given, give me Yeah, exploring that

(01:07:19):
that that balance, that's just graceful space in your register
and in your tone, like it's a love internal Yeah,
like calming it down, it's it's got to be. It's
really got to be on purpose for me because I
get hype. Just you got it. I want to hear more.

(01:07:40):
I want to hear it there. Okay, I'm saying no
names name. Ain't saying no names, no name, who you with,
where you was, what you did? Who your friend? No name?

(01:08:07):
Not say no name. Yeah, I like that, like that movie. Yeah,
so you know we had that, We had that part
of the show. We're here, you know, you know little

(01:08:29):
see more from Yeah, leave me shop my hearts. So
this segment of the show, it's caught. I ain't saying
on that. Will you tell us your story? God? Funnier
fucked up and the Travels of a Stale and Steale

(01:08:53):
is from you know, she's from across the water. So
it could be a story from across the Waters if
you want to, you know, pond the river, our pondi
river if you want to, Yeah, only ruling the story.
Oh God. In the segment, you can't say the names,

(01:09:13):
no names, all right? Can I say what they do? Yes? Yes, yes,
yes you can. You can. You can explain the things
around it. You can't explain the characteristics. You can't say
their name? Are they aliases? He can't say none of

(01:09:35):
that's all right? I have one Oh yeah, and I'm
gonna presee this with this person's like hold on, hold on,
hold on, hold on, because right now today are tonight,
if it's overseas, we are going to a stale. I
ain't saying no name. Ain't saying no names, all right?

(01:10:00):
This person is like we love to say that, you know,
like Wayne Brady was in Dave Chappelle's like he just
pops up and the weirdest shit. Okay, A person's like
that to me, very smooth R and B singer, really cool.
So we have this show for a really well known publication,

(01:10:20):
and we're in the middle of like, oh my Hartebraska
something like that, Like somewhere we're literally in cornfields and
I fly in and I'm just like, they give me
this like really small like backstage eariot, like a little

(01:10:40):
the Winnebagoes yeah, and I'm like, oh, I'm thinking it's
just whatever, and I'm not really looking around when I
go to do my shows. I going to do my
thing and leave. I go in and I'm like, okay,
well this is I had to quick. We're only here
for a couple of hours. It is I don't even
know what this thing is. I step in, I look
at I step outside and it was like, well, I'll
just wait out here. This is not cute at all.

(01:11:02):
This is not cute. Put put my shoes in the bag,
in the trunk, changing the truck, it'd be fine. Um.
And we're standing outside. It's me, my DJ, my role manager,
and it's quiet. But I looked to my left and
it's beautiful Winnebagol. This thing is like four yard blocks.

(01:11:23):
This thing is just big Winnebago is going for like
half the field and I'm here like who is this for?
And I'm really not paying any mind. Didn't look at
the set list or nothing, and it's the artists. When
a baby go I'm not fast. I don't go in there.
I'm trying to be respect for Oh it's cute. They
probably never gonna use it, but it's probably like mad
things in there, but whatever, mad like cool war like

(01:11:48):
I had like a trade like with a with a
water and a croak. Okay, It's like it was terrible.
It's just very opposite. We're standing there and we're just
out here talking me my DJ I'm a manager, and
we're just standing there. All of a sudden, hear down
the field a out it just ain't and they ain't

(01:12:11):
saying that Abby's in't that track blaring. This suv is
like moving down this cornfield and I'm like having the time, like, who,
what is happening? What is what's going on? Because it's
very it's very quiet, it's very chill. And then the
arm recing pops up and he's like hey, he's like

(01:12:32):
shirts and whoever, and he's going for it, and I'm
just like my head is doing the whole swivel, like
what is going on now? I'm I am just consistently
just what is happening. He's like pulls up with the skirt,
his driver pulls up with the skirt and he pops
out and he's like barely got a shot. And he's like, hey, yo,

(01:12:54):
just come come in, come in the trailer, and so
I'm like, I'm already just mind blowing that he's wrapping
NICKI minar. I'm realistic bees in the track, I'm realistic
deserbels pulling through this cornfield. And I'm just like, oh okay.
So then we go into we all go into the
mansion of this Winnebago. It's beautiful Winnebago, and I'm just

(01:13:17):
looking at my Winnebegel going this is whole soul store confused,
and he's like, oh, how are you getting back to
how you get back to New York. I's living in
New York at the time, hanging back to New York. Oh,
fly back tomorrow. Just come to me on the jet.
My whole soul is just having a time because you guys,
this beautiful Winnebago, they flay you here on the jet like,
and he's just like, just come to me on the jet,

(01:13:38):
and I'm just like, I have people with me, Oh okay,
And he's just very much like it's just like it is.
He's living a completely different reality than me, and it's
it's same music. It's all turned. It's just vibes up
in this in this Winnebago, and when I tell you,
he sings the smoothest of music. So it's just blowing
my mind that this is all the way turned up.

(01:14:00):
And so I go and I perform, and then I
get off and I'm just like, I don't want to go,
and I was like, wait and see what this artist does.
It's dusk, and he damn near turns into Marvin Gay
on stage and he's just it's just our and beer.
And I'm just like looking at him going forty five

(01:14:20):
minutes ago. You was bes in the track what is going?
So like it just lets me know. And and this
just keeps happening. Every time I see him in random circumstances,
it'd be some very wild like I'm standing there going okay, well,
I don't know, I don't know what's about to happen.
This is nuts. We might another time we ended up

(01:14:42):
he ended up wrapping Rick Ross outside of a walk
through and I sat there like this one is joining,
but just sat still because I wasn't sure. I didn't
know what was going to happen. Man, I just didn't know.
It was just and he's just the very the exact
opposite of all of this as a person, as an
artist that we know him to be in real life.

(01:15:03):
It's very don't more than more than more than me
when I'm in my vibe, it's quite interesting. So it's
very it's just a very like what the hell is happening?
R and B will surprise you. We will surprise you, man.
And you know you feel like the artist follows, you know,
their personals follow their outside na never this R and

(01:15:26):
B thing. It's differ it's very very strange. It's different. Yeah,
it was very weird. So that's that's my like, what
the hell? People people crazy? And they have beautiful Winne
bagels and jets and window bagos and jets and jets.
I was tired though, because I was just like, the
thing is beautiful, Look it's clean, look at the floors,
like I've been some of those not so nice tidy winnebagels,

(01:15:52):
and you just have to hold it kind of thing
to a degree. You're just like, you know, what, it'll
be fun today, you know, for two hours, I'll just
sit in the cart sitting. We'll just go from the spring.
What I'm saying will be But I think it's so
different for for for female artists. I think, you know,

(01:16:12):
even though you know when females are on the come up,
I get it, you know what I'm saying. The accommodations
aren't always going to be the greatest for new artists,
but a female has to get ready a different kind
of way. Yeah, and I wish, I wish, I wish
promoters would be more mindful of that. It comes to
your boundary so too. You have to tell them from

(01:16:33):
the rip, I don't do that. It's not how I move.
You have to get the thing. It's like, oh yeah,
we got it, get and then you and then then
it's also up to you as an artist to know
what you're walking into sometimes like uh no, you don't
like you got it. I'm going to change the hotel.
I'll be there when I'll bet I'm there. There's a
there's a certain fee, a certain fee in the rider.

(01:16:54):
You know, if you don't meet the need to require
it's gonna cost you because because if you miss out
on the food, yeah right there with that, that so
twelve hundred, Yeah, you miss out do this wrong. It
is tears of wrongdoing. It's gonna cost James two times,

(01:17:26):
um stale, thank you so much for just giving us
your time, you know, giving us good energy, blessing us.
You know what I'm saying, like blessing us, Like you're
always you're always dope to be around. Thank you, And
I hope you know that. You know your name is
associated with all good things, all good energy, all good vibes.

(01:17:47):
There's nobody in this world I know. I was like,
I know that somebody, but like, because you probably get
to the ship if you're going, you want look about. Yeah,
I'm sure doing your outside outside day, you know, saying
we're good. Nobody, I really, I really don't like I

(01:18:12):
try and standing up on my stuff, somebody walking up.
You seen it there, let me know you see it.
You see that. I try to stand in my world
as much as I can. And if you have beef
with me, um say it. And if you don't think
you don't know me, well, yeah we're good. And if
you do, it's harmony. Sorry, but your name is good

(01:18:32):
on every month. Luther can't have been so you loved here, Yeah,
you love And I promise I would start running up
on you coming on the podcast. And now you've come,
I'm walking out of places. So you coming. I know
you're trying to enjoy yourself in here and I'm trying
to leave, but I just want to make sure you're
gonna pull up. Everybody was looking forward to you to come.

(01:18:54):
My daughters. I was like this this stell here, yeah
listening still Zion has everybody Yo, what beautiful family so
grown like I was like, I see and I look
out for them like they my kids. By the way,
I was last I see yeah concert. I was like, yeah,
all right, I tell you, I see her. I see her.
She would probably be we good, okay, But we are

(01:19:16):
appreciative of your energy. I'm appreciative of your contributions. Thank
you for having just to the universe overall. Nice personale.
This is developed by me in the COVID and I'm
just continuing the vibe roses. Keep the vibes going. Thank you.
We like roses. I'm on entrepreneurship. What's the name of it?
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