Jacob Latimore

Jacob Latimore, singer, songwriter, and actor—breaks down the discipline behind his records, the lessons learned on set, and how he balances leading roles (including The Chi) with building a catalog that keeps fans locked in. From early breakthroughs to new chapters, Jacob opens up about craft, faith, and consistency.

Hosts: Tank & J. Valentine — R&B Money
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
R indeed. Oh listen.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
You know sometimes you got to venture on out to
that Midwest.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Sometimes you get to a city that you don't even
know that these types of people exists. It's Bruin just
brew Win and I ain't talking about the Brewers, huh.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
I'm talking about a city.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
When you're saying were you're from, Say, I didn't eat
even know black people with that were everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
You better buck up, You better buck up. I like
what you're doing today.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, I like what you're doing today coming from a
town I know this time very well because I'm from
the same time. Yeah, yeah, speak on it. He danced,
put a week on, he's singing, he acted, he put
it on. Yeah, hm hmm. This man is down in.

(01:32):
It's one of my favorites and he's from the soul
Milwaukee's Jack Flanimo.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, yes, sir, yes, man.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Season for RB money, congratulations, come on man, Yeah, show
seasons on seasons. Season you know about seasons you know
about some seasons.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Man. How you feeling, man? Man? I feel good. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
This is a it's a good year. It's a good year, bro.
Year to reflect and just man, God been good. God've
been good man, Just like reflecting on my career. I'm
twenty nine this year.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
You're twenty nine.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
That's gray man, Yeah, twenty you're at least.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Fourteen or fifteen. When I mentioned this is.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Easy, he started at your twenty nine, twenty nine crazy?

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, I'm so jealous.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Wow, why you say that.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
I just want to be twenty nine. Actually I'm forty nine,
oh man, twenty years older than you.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
You're still rocking. I just was at the Brandy and
Monica show. You still rock ship came out. You came
out like twenty nine?

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Did it? Did it?

Speaker 4 (02:40):
It felt making some noise for tank you dude, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well you're not because because yeah yeah yeah, I'm talking
to them, but I'm really talking to.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Myself, Yeah, telling myself you're bad.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Because when she told me to come out, I had
them the sweatsuit that was like you want to come
out on stage? I was like, broc.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Take it off.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
He said, see, you ain't gonna do them. Take the
shirt off. Anyway, I said, you know what, So I
go in the back said you ain't gonna do nothing
but take your damn shirt off.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I was like, you're right, Yeah, you're right. It went crazy.
So they was like, it's elevators, and I'm like, okay,
it's the elevator, is it.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah? I was like, okay, cool, cool, cool.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
And then I'm like, okay, well, let me just let
me just get some push ups going. You see Kenny Burns,
I'm like, Burns, should I should I get them to
He said, hell yeah, yeah, in the middle of your song,
just pull it off real theatrics, sa ye, I'm gonna
do that.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
I'm gonna do that right.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
So, as I'm waiting, as I'm just kind of, you know,
just flexing the chest, trying to get some blood in it,
oh my god.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Luda and Jermaine dupri go up and the place goes crazy.
I'm like, look is this? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Where would they put them first? That's not fairst Two
of them just want to me. I said, you know what,
I got something for y'all.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Come what. I got to ready, I got to I
got to.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Sec At first, when the elevator was going up, I
was just facing forward and I was like, I was like, no,
no Avengers, avenge to look over the shoulder.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
With the with the it was real, theatric with the
I'm cracking I'm going to third Rob, like egoing crazy.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
But I didn't expect the reaction to be like and
Atlanta is my city. I love Atlanta. But they showed
me great concert too. By the way, back back to you, brother,
we've seen you as a as a baby. Yeah, and
when you dropped, when I saw you perform, I was like,

(04:50):
he's one.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Of the coldest. Thank you, thank you. It was the
it was the whole person.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
That was the first time I'm trying to figure out
I I came to your first video shoot.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Was there, like which one it was?

Speaker 4 (05:03):
I don't know maybe, but you y'all were filming in
the warehouse. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, wow, that was We
had my nephew with me. That was like early on
probably wait before I got Jordan. Jordan was with me
and we came by. We went by the video shoot
at the warehouse. I don't think they had to be
like them all then with Diggie there, yep, yep, that
was like, yeah I saw that, I said, because that's

(05:26):
the thing too, Like when you go places and you
get the the bts right of you preparing for the shot, and.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
I'm watching, I'm like, oh he cold, Okay, all right,
he's he's down in super cool.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Where's the Where does the dancing come from? Because that
right there in itself. I don't think people understand the
people who know. No, yeah, people who know know the
dancers and the artists. Everybody knows. They know he's a guy. Yeah,
but where do you get that from?

Speaker 4 (05:55):
I don't really you know, my dad always had great rhythm.
You know, he wasn't much of a dancer, but he
always had great rhythm, played the drums and stuff. And
my mom was dancing a little bit. But like for me,
I think watching TV, watching Mike B two K, watching
like these uh these artists usher and you know, and
then later Chris like to just watch that and I'm like,

(06:18):
that's the type of performer I want to be, Like
I want to be able to move on stage and
I want to be able to like move people with movement,
you know what I mean? Watching oh you know what
I mean and going to get ro ro Like I'm
going to get the choreographers that that's working with the
big dogs, you know what I'm saying. So it was
just about me. Like I remember Dave Scott rest in peace.
He was my first my first dance class. Yeap Scott

(06:42):
was Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yep. Wow.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
I drove from Milwaukee, my mom drove me to Chicago.
He had like a class, a master class down there,
like in some like warehouse like dance studio. Like it
was dope, and I remember being like, dang, it's like
this is the artist that'd be like, this is the
choreographer that be with B t K. You got served
like this hard, like that's what I be watching. So
I just really started to be around it.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
You know.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
I feel like anything I'm around, I'm gonna just absorb
and I'm gonna get I'm gonna I'm gonna get it,
you know what I mean. And just developed over time,
and you know, so I still try to. I still
try to get down there now and then man, cut
it out. I still trying to. I think when you
never really lose it, but you know, you gotta be
around it constantly to be great because it's.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Always like you know, me being a dance as well, it's.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Always it's all, there's always new nuances that are added
in the dance space that are like the thing that
everybody was today, what's the what's the new thing today
since your.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
I mean, footwork is a real big thing right now.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Footwork always footwork, Yeah, because a lot of footwork that
Chris Brown does, like you taught him. I didn't teach him,
but I did a lot of footwork around him, which
you know, just you know, there's influences, you know what
I'm saying that. You know, I'm sure there's Michael for him,
it's less for him, and there's just you know what
I'm saying. So the foot footwork is kind of kind

(08:03):
of my thing, you know what I'm saying. And the
acrobatics within the dance. So I won my I won
my eighth grade Yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
I don't want to do that.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
I don't want to embarrass when I do it, because
I want my eighth grade dance competition by doing the
running man into a backflip, you know what I'm saying.
So it was like I was, it was running man
back to the back. So that's that's how you know, that's.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
How I Wonzy.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
So I was already hot back then, So I don't
want to take that to shine from you. Like in
these dance like like a lot of people notice or
if they have ever been to a dance like class
or things like that, sometimes you get noticed and then
you get put in, you know, the groups of the
high level groups.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Okay, let me see you, you, you, you and you?
What group were you in? You know you're doing to
the Dave Scott's Man.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
I feel like I was definitely, I was definitely trying
to shine. I think choreography was class was a bit
harder for me coming up because you had to learn
fast fast. You have to learn in thirty minutes of teaching,
you know. As an artist, we got two weeks of rehearsal,
you know what I mean. So as an artist, I
always felt like maybe that first day I ain't really
getting it like that, but it marinate the next day

(09:16):
and I get and I'm like, okay, So the more
rehearsal time, I felt like I had the sharper I was,
you know. But I think classes that's where real dancers
are just really good. That's when you can bring dances like,
oh I'm about to do a tour tomorrow, I need
to teach you all five six songs in a week
and they go crazy, you know what I'm saying. So
that was picking up choreography was hard for me, you

(09:37):
know what I mean. It was like I'm like what
and I'm like okay, okay, okay. I feel like after class,
I got it way better, you know what I'm saying.
So I had my moments where it depends on like
how how consistent I was in class, but man it
was I definitely shine. Like I remember early on they
used to do these dance invasions in Atlanta when I

(09:59):
moved to the A and like I used to see
my brother should Make Moore was in there, and it
was like a bunch of other damn my boy, Dylan
Cheek and all these like choreographers we see today, Cody Wiggins,
like Jeremy Strong, he uh choreographer for Jason Drew Look
and he was holding down this like dance invasion short

(10:20):
of like freestyle battle environment. And you know I was
a part of that. Like I want some, I lost some,
but it was always you was always around, you know
what I'm saying. No cameras is around, Like you win,
you lose, and you come back stronger. So it was
just that environment. Man, it was you know, like and
that's why I just love to be in La too.
Like I got to get around my dance people because

(10:42):
sometimes being on set, like I'm around actors, I'm gonna
be a better actor, you know what I mean? After that,
But when you come around and be like nah, like
come to the studio, come to the coming millennium, Like
you're about to get down. We're about to just have
a session real quick. Like, that's when you can get
down and they like challenging you, and you challenge them back,
and you get in that competitive space and you're like, oh,

(11:03):
I'm only gonna get better from here because these I'm
working with the greats. Like as artists, we learn from
these dancers that stay in it all day long, you
know what I mean while we doing our entrepreneur stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
You know what I'm saying, Who do you think is
the best dancer as an artist right now?

Speaker 1 (11:20):
CB? Easy? Easy? Far easy easy? I mean, Like, what
does he do that's that's impressive to you as a dancer.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
I think he's he's big, he moves like, nothing small
about his movement. Energy. I mean, he's floor, he's air like,
he's like he's an avenger up there, like he's a
I told him, I'm like, bro, you like, it's like
Olympics up there, like he preps and then does THEO.

(11:51):
He looks in the inir and flies like. I'm like, bro,
this is this next level. So you can't help but
be inspired by movement like that, and you get tell
he been mastering it for just you know, early on.
I remember when I got when I got signed to Jive,
like Chris was in the building. Usher was in the
building justin Timberlake, and.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
So I got signed to JIB at thirteen, you know,
so I'm like, I feel like I'm in the building with.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Did they see you as that at thirteen? Did they
see you in that same?

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (12:22):
When I was when I was doing the showcase, it
was between I was. I did a showcase for Epic
as well, But I just wanted to go to job
because all my favorite artists at Job. I'm like, bro,
Usher a job, like I feel like I felt like
recruitment for you, like when the kid goes to college,
like oh yeah, such and such one here.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
It felt like a community, you know what I mean.
Even though I didn't see them every day. I felt
like I'm in the same building, I'm in the same stemates. Yeah,
and it was that point of just like, nah, like
I'm in I feel like in the meeting, they were
just like, this is what we do.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
This is exactly. So how did that go for you? Right?

Speaker 5 (13:00):
Coming from Milwaukee? Yeah, going back and forth Chicago, eventually
moving to Atlanta. Yeah, how did it go for you
as far as just the process of getting to jive
and getting to these labels and being in front of
these executives that would ultimately sign you.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
So after we really like worked Milwaukee, I mean we
worked Milwaukee. I worked my own school. I was wearing
my own T shirts like this is my song, best friend,
I'm like, this is my new single.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
How you doing?

Speaker 4 (13:24):
And then after a while I started buzzing buzzing in
my own city in Milwaukee, small you know what I'm saying.
So I'm at high schools, I'm at a shout out
to Sincere since Here was an artist in Milwaukee that
I was coming up, and he was like he was like,
bring little Jake, you know what I'm saying. And I
was performing for them, and then my dad was writing
records for me. I was printing my own T shirts, so.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
We had writing records, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
And we took that same formula. Shott to Rico Love.
He introduced me to Cerci, who is my stepfather today,
and he just he invested into me, you know what
I'm saying. And we early on just like I was
about eleven, okay, you know, we stayed in Camp Creek.
I want to say during that time, Soldier Soldier Boy

(14:07):
was in the neighborhood. Trey Songs was in the neighborhood.
Like it was like, I'm like, okay, Atlanta going crazy.
I remember seeing all these young artists coming up, Jack Queeze,
I saw Chloe and Holley Lotto. You know, I'm seeing
these I'm like this the first time. I'm like, I'm
seeing other artists yourself. Yeah, I'm like doing my doing
ey thing as well. And it was, uh, it was

(14:28):
just I just started to work Atlanta like that, you
know what i mean, and just really just start like
getting in that building. And then after a while we
just start going to LA and New York sobs, you
know what I'm saying. And then the year what twelve
I'm about twelve thirteen. Yep, We're going to New York
and work in different offices and just kind of just shopping, shopping,

(14:50):
shopping what we did independently, you know what i mean.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
And yeah, rolling up on them singing original music. Yeah, yeah,
that's doub that's tough. Original music.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Like I'm in the I'm in there, like in the offices,
just dancing like a little small room. They like move
the chairs back, you know what I'm saying. And this
was this was early, early on, and we ended up
going to jive. Wayne Williams went out the Wayne Yeah, man, Yeah,
and uh that's how we That's how we That's how

(15:21):
we did it.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Man.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
We was busting out F y E stores from f
y E stores, was dragging, yeah, just doing signings. I'm
in the mall. I'm passing out my own flyers, like
I really did the groundwork, you know what I mean.
That that most artists don't even they ain't thinking about it, you.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
So it's just that doesn't really exist anymore. It should
because I'm sure there's there are still kids that went to.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
School with you.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
Yeah, I remember that T shirt? Remember you from recess
and that's gonna. I'm sure they're watching you on shows,
watching movies, listening to your new music and they're like,
you know that was Jacob, that you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
And then having those moments. I always feel like that
means something. I always feel like that means something more
than oh.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, here goes a d M of my of my
new uh my new record that's on.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
That's all that's that's available, you know what I mean? Yeah, man,
other than somebody pulling up on you and really like
singing or you know, performing for you and doing that
whole thing. And the crazy part, man, is what you
come from. Mhm, like your lineage in the music business,
because the wildest part is that tanking. I wow, work

(16:31):
with your father and your uncles.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
When you told me that, I was I did not
know that when that's crazy, and you know, my uncles
be like, man, they know what you know what I'm saying,
So it's it's it's dope because I remember, just to
take it back again, like in Milwaukee, I remember these
limos pulling up in the hood and I'm like, where

(16:55):
they going. They put they they put their uniforms on
their jackets on their jersey appam new jackets and they
take off and all the hood to be just right
there watching them. And and I would see music videos,
I would see album covers. I would ride with them
in the limo sometimes and I would see like fans
and I was like, what what's this?

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (17:16):
How old are you at this point?

Speaker 4 (17:17):
I'm like six at this point. So they coming out
to LA to work with y'all. I'm in Milwaukee, hybernating
getting ready like I'm like no, Like, I'm in the
living room and my grandfather like, boy, what you doing dancing?
And then he tell me to this day, he's like, man,
all that dancing and singing and acting you've been doing

(17:39):
since you was a baby turned into a whole career,
you know what I'm saying. And uh, just to just
to be inspired just by my family, because we grew
up in a house where it was three generations. It
was my grandfather, all my dad, and my uncles, all
my cousins.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
It's so crazy you explaining that to me straight up.
Those are the conversations that he has with me about
saying him growing up in Milwaukee and.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
We were it was. It was always lit in the house.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
He never know because I grew up in Big Mama House.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
So Big Mama raised everybody.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yep, everybody.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Everybody showed at some point during the week and especially
on Sunday to Big Mama House.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
That's how it be, bro, That's how it be. So
it's Jersey. Is that a street in Milwaukee? Well, Jersey.
My dad and my uncles are originally from Indianapolis.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
I did know that because me and my brothers had
our time in Indianapolis.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Absolutely had that conversation with Okay, okay, and then they
moved to Milwaukee at a young age. And then you know,
him and my mom met and like hit it off,
and then it was like Jake, you know, Jacob Rive.
You know what I'm saying. I was a junior, my
dad is a senior. I'm a junior, and uh yeah, man,
it's just ever since then, we've just been We've just

(18:53):
been growing. Ever since, We've just been growing and growing.
And the music was just like a way out, you know.
Music was a way out for me to express myself.
And coming to Atlanta was just like a big blessing
because man, your your environment is everything. Your environment is
everything I went how to shape you. Like I always say,
like if I would have had my teenage years in Milwaukee,

(19:18):
I definitely think I would have succeeded, but it just
would have been different. It just been different. Would have
been a different person, My mentality would have been different,
you know what I mean, and just my character would
have been different, I think. And you know, just coming
out to the a man, it was just a real blessing.
So shout out to Cerce man he was really investing
in just making sure. Shout out to corner boys.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Shout out.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
You know what I'm saying. Shout out to Rico, Rico
Luve and just like really you know, coming in and
really just you know, building records for me, you know
what I mean, seeing me and believing me because you
know we was now that I look back, man, it
was a lot of adults just around me, like spending
a last to make sure I was good, you know,

(20:02):
making sure I was straight and making sure I was
I had records and I was I was gonna get
this record deal, you know.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
And fast forward, we did that, man, and like them
all written by TC. Shout out to TC. Nothing on
me written by Eric Bellinger. Shout out to Eric B.
You come first, Chris Jackson, and then Yeah and then
Heartbreak Herd around the world. John t Austin, you know
what I'm saying, Teddy Riley, like them all remixed?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Your process is not normal. Do you possibly attribute some
of that to Pops being in it and having kind
of paved the way to be able to like because
I think I think struggling is a thing, right, It
is a thing. Where Nick slept on floor, Figga, I

(21:01):
was homeless, sleep in the truck. That is a thing, right,
But that's not the only way. That doesn't mean that
you aren't going to get what you need to get
in terms of whatever your process is. And you had
a very cool process where when you got into it, man,
you you saying John Tay Austin and Teddy Riley and everybody.
You're like, you're saying, guys off the top, who are

(21:22):
who are those guys at the time they're on fire? Yeah,
and you're walking in there getting music from these teams
fourteen years old?

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Did it hit you?

Speaker 4 (21:33):
I don't think Like at that time, I was just
I felt like I hadn't made it yet. You know
what I mean I was kind of I still have
the mentality like we still got to get out of this,
like we still like we still gotta we still got to.
I ain't went platinum yet. I ain't I ain't sold
out arenas yet, you know, like, yeah, I'm not where
I was, but we can't. We can't stop here, you know.
So I think now that I look back, I see

(21:54):
more of the blessings in it now because I don't
think I was present enough as a teenager. It was
just like, yeah, you.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
Never are at that age, right, You just working, just working,
and like you said, you're trying to get to certain
goals and until you get there, and then ultimately when
you get there, for whatever those goals are for yourself,
you're usually pushing toward whatever the next one is. As artists,
and I think that's important that you mentioned that of

(22:23):
being present, right because even at what they say my
big age now, like I try to have my moments
where I'm present.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
I try to be like, damn, that was actually pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Yeah, man, it's important, And I think that's what kind
of year has been for me. It's the longest break
we've had from filming. Each season we usually film right
after a season airs with the shop. But we had
a whole year off and I've just been able to
just like look at old YouTube videos and you know,
dropping my jail album this year and just kind of
like dang, like I done did a lot.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
He's able to walk through the mall and feel it. Yeah,
that's all. That was his whole goal in life.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
But walking all, I ain't gonna lie. I don't touch
that moll. I used to walk through the mall. I
went to them all yesterday.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
And this is actually the first time this has happened
to me.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Right where. You know, we always talk about the.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Airport being like the gauge of if you if some
airport is cracking, because if the if the TSA say
something to you crazy, they see everybody. They see everybody,
so if they say something to you, you're like, yesterday, bro,
I'm in the mall and a young lady literally drops

(23:42):
to her knees and starts doing.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
This like bowing.

Speaker 5 (23:47):
I don't know how to receive that because I'm like,
stop and I had to.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Come in to America moment.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
While I start looking at other people, I'm like, I'm like,
it's okay, It's all right.

Speaker 5 (24:04):
And she's like, you guys are such an inspiration. She's like,
I watched every single show. Wow, I'm so inspired by
what you guys are doing. And I'm like, damn, this
ship is really important.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
We never really know, like what we're doing until we
see the reaction for real.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Bro that it tripped me out. So shout out to
that young lady.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
I asked her what her name was, but she couldn't
even really like yeah. She was just like no, it's
just really nice to meet you. And I'm like, Yo,
this is wild.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
Yeah, no, bro, it's like we it's just how we are,
Like we were so locked in. We just feel like
it's a normal thing. But it's normal to us. It's
not normal. It's not it's it's it's huge blessings. Like
to be able to sit down like this, and man,
I'm tapped in. I've watched a lot of episodes, you
know what I'm saying. So it's like to be able

(24:53):
to sit down, I flew. I'm like, yeah, I'm coming today.
I'm like, I mean, I'm flying from the day I
got here last night. You know what I'm saying. I'm
in and out, you know what. So it's like I'm like, yeah,
I'm pulling up. So this is this is huge, Bro,
this is huge, and I think you're all for having
me for now.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Of course, bro's your question. Let me ask you a
tough question. How do you feel like music in terms
of what you envisioned it to be, what you wanted
to be. How do you feel that worked out for you?

Speaker 4 (25:22):
I don't feel like I even arrived musically.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
I agree, I don't feel like I arrived. No.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
I think based on and I'm gonna let you answer it,
based on what I know that you are capable of,
and based on what I see it's out here, and
I don't I'm not mad at nobody for getting off
the shelf, getting in the game and having a good
run and being successful. I appreciate that whole heartedly. But

(25:50):
seeing you and knowing what you're made of, yeah, I'm like,
he hasn't even scratched the surface. No, not even scratched
the surface.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think after I want to
say Heartbreak Herd Around the World was the last record
I had released with RCA. I was like seventeen, and yeah,
just coming out of that record deal, it was like
I was still doing a lot of film. My first film,
film and music really kind of happened the same time.

(26:20):
You know, like I was doing Black Nativity, but I
was still on tour, and I was still I did
Maid's Runner, but I'm still on tour, you know what
I mean. So I was like I was still doing both.
But I think at that point, financially, I was like, man, musically,
it's just I don't know if I'm like, it ain't,
it wouldn't happen. Maybe I was impatient, you know.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
As a team too.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
That money, it was just it was less overhead, you know,
it was like a less conflict conflict. You ain't chasing
a promoter for the bag Let's drama too, less drama.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Let's drama. Man.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
So it's like I was like I just started leaning
on acting and I was just like, man, if I
want to do music, I'm just I still got the internet,
you know, so I still just throw it out and
investing in if I can. But you know, I'm not
against going to another major situation or whatever situation that's
best for me to be who I need to be musical.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
Now, you feel like when you were on a major label,
you were able to be you.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
I don't at the gate. You never you never are.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
I think everybody just trying to figure out, Okay, how
can we get this artist to blow up? Period, you
know what I mean? And I really, looking back, men,
I really appreciate like the building for just prioritizing me
and just like wanting to We never put out an album.
They were always like, we got to get a top
ten single, we gotta get a number one before we
even think about an album, you know what I mean.
So I never really dropped the project until I went independent.

(27:47):
And what I do realize now is that we were
coming out of real hard record sales and streaming would
slowly coming in, you know what I'm saying. I was like,
I was a MySpace kid, you know what I'm saying,
and then YouTube and then Twitter came in, and then
streaming just came over, and just really it was hard
for radio to even want to play a kid at

(28:09):
that time, you know. But touring was like the only
thing that I was able to prove myself. And shout
out to Michael Maldon for the screen tour man, Like,
I really don't think there's a space for artists like that. Anymore.
You know what I'm saying, Like, it's like Scream Tour
was just a blessing for me. It was a way
for me to build my fan base, like from YouTube

(28:29):
to like, oh we could see what he do on stage.
They like, Oh, like, he ain't got the hit record yet,
but he's a hit artist. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Kids like kids really don't care about hit records right now.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
Have you had that conversation with your kids yet? What
you mean the what is a hit record?

Speaker 1 (28:48):
You know? What you got to have that.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I don't even I don't even think my daughter, I'm
gonna just explain to you, I don't even think they
They don't process it the way we process it now.
It's not a chart thing for them. Yeah, it's it's
what they like and what they share.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
Man, Deuce, argue me down about some records that that's
a hit I said, Deuce, right, But I understood what
he was saying because for us back in the day,
what he would be called is kind of a regional record, right,
especially me being from the Bay Area, we had so

(29:28):
many regional hits that you can't tell me nothing about
you've experienced, you know, right, And I think now with
the kids, their region is their circles. Everybody in my
circle think this record is cracking. It's a hits, a hit,
and I had to understand that, Like, oh, I think

(29:48):
that's what's changed.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
About with the Internet and streaming, Like now I'm discovering
artists that's selling out shows. Yes, never never listen, never
listen to the album, never been to a show, but
fans is lined up, you know what I mean. So
I think that that is That's that's what I do
like about the new age, Like it ain't so you

(30:11):
could be popping over there and providing for your family
and doing your thing and we ain't ever got to
go to the show.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Is there anything you don't like, don't like?

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Nah, I ain't really Maybe I'm not tapped in it up,
but I ain't really like not nothing I'm saying like
an artist, I'm saying it just about the industry, within
the industry and where we are now in music, right
because even off camera we were having conversations about AI
and different you know, just different things about that. But like,
is there anything for you that you're like, I ain't
fuck with that. I think I'm definitely starting to see like,

(30:44):
what's paid for? Okay' You know, like you could be talented,
you can be extremely talented.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
You can have a hit record.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
You feel like you can have a hit record, but
if you ain't got the funds to really take it
to the top, Yeah, it's just gonna be living online.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
As they say, it takes money to make money.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
Money takes make money to make money. So it's just
I think that's the only things. As I get closer
to the industry, I'm like, d you really gotta and
I invest them on album, you know what I'm saying.
I'm like, yeah, budget clothes.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Once you get to that space.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Where it's out of your pocket, those conversations are different.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
I remember having a conversation with Forty, who's been independent
since independent became Yeah, and he's like, found the time
we're doing one single in one video and we're selling
the whole project off that I ain't shooting a whole
bunch of videos.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
I ain't because it's coming out of his pocket. Bottom line.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
It's different. It's different. You feel it different. But when
you're the label, like, you know, I need five video,
six videos, I.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Need ten dances, I need blow the building up. No,
I broke.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
I pop up from underneath the stage.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
You know, he blew up the building? What is it? Slowly? Yeah,
I was blown to a ballot ballot. I know I
had the matrix. True, I was doing wirework.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
You were going crazy.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
I was blowing the bad I think I was about
four million in death.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
You're like, I am legend. There was fire breathing over me.
I had a baby almost was that? What was that? Buddet?

Speaker 2 (32:33):
My first video was like like five hundred K and
then my and then slowly it was like seven hundred ky.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Now, bro, this is.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
To take it back.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Mind you, I shot maybe I Deserved twice, so that
went out to maybe like six or so. So Freaky
was like five hundred. Maybe I Deserve was like about
six or something. Slowly was about seven, like you know
what I'm saying. And they got me on the road
doing promo, doing promo shows for like everybody. I did
like fifty sixty free promo shows. Somebody was getting that money.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
That's how I'd be feeling to like somebody getting said.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Somebody getting paid. But that's what it was like. We had.
They had unlimited funds to break an artists.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
Yep, it's over now, I.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Mean it ain't really I don't think it's I don't
think it's all.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
You just got to do it yourself and then pull up.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
You got to be strategic, got to be strategic about
right money.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
And it's a conversation that you and I had when
when you came to see me, yep, and it was
random because you had called me you just like.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Big Broma, pull up, You're like shit, come on.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
And then the conversation that we had that night about
my belief personally of who and what you are in
this industry and what you mean to it. And listen,
I'm from the Bay Area where independence is king. We've
been you know, we live on the island up there,
and we've been pushing independent music for a long time.

(33:59):
I personally, and I've said this, and maybe some people
don't agree with me, I don't believe that you can
have independent superstars. No, you can't, because it costs so
much money to make a superstar. And in my opinion,
you're a superstar. Everybody told you that night. I really,
I really, honestly believe that, and anybody that knows me

(34:20):
knows that. I don't tell people that I think that
because I don't think that we have a lot of them,
you know what I mean? With what you cover, you
know what I mean, and what you can bring to
entertainment not just your music, right, and what you're doing
with your acting side.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
You're there, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
Now the next step is you doing some you know
with Blockbuster Motion picture right, and then you you've run
that gamut. But to me, being an independent artist is
a hobby.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
Yeah, in my.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Opinion, it is not.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
I feel like for someone like it's definitely like if
I'm on set, masters check, come in, you know what
I'm saying, Like, while I'm gonna say, like it's my
little music check, all right.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
You know I love music, you.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
Know, because I mean that's what you're really It doesn't compare,
It don't really, It don't compare because it's like we know,
we know the DSPs can pay a little more. I mean,
you know what I mean. I ain't trying to trying
to burn no bridges.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
No, it's the truth is not a bridge burn. They're
making a lot lot of money're making a lot of a.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Lot of streaming.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
The owners and labels ye are making a lot of
partner up in streaming, and the distribution.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Is a slap side slapsided, so that you know, we
just keep having these conversations. And I think that's probably
the only thing I do like about independence, even though
I do agree like what you're said, because I feel
like any arena artists they with a major. You gotta
be with a major. You got some capacity, and you
gotta be tied in with that. And I think the

(36:01):
only thing I like about independence is that you get
something coming in monthly, right, And like, I feel like
if we can get to that in a space with
music where I don't have to travel to nine countries
to make some money, you know what I'm saying, Like,
I think that's I think that's powerful. You know what
I mean. If I'm on set four months out the
year and I got these checks coming in once a

(36:24):
month from my masters, I'm like, Okay, I can put
that in my boom boom boom boo boom bom bom boomom.
I ain't gott touch that. I can po poll up
while I'm on set doing this, doing this, doing this right.
But it's like it's not really enough to If I
didn't have film, I couldn't I couldn't live off that,
you know, that wouldn't fund my lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
But I think timing is a thing too, right because
I think now that you have so much that and
we're going to get into the acting, we can't gloss
over that by any means. But now that you have
that strong foundation and you know, honestly financial backing as
an actor, I feel.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Like a season.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Of you doing the music, doing the turing and in
the right in the right way is going to now
be beneficial because now you bring however, many millions of
people are already watching you to these venues, you bring

(37:23):
them now, and so that guarantee, it just it just
smells different. It starts to make sense.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
Definitely, It's definitely like, yeah, let's let's see what everybody
talking about. Anybody, anybody got some deals on the day, you.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Know, because I just believe that you you are.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
A part of that conversation that him and I have
a lot of Okay, who can really do all the things?
Who can sing for real? Now' who can perform for real?
Who can you know what I'm saying, like who can dance?

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Who can? Or who can play? Or who can? Like
even us watching right now, watching the Leon Thomas.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Yeah, shout out to le together man, Like seeing.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
That happen, seeing that, seeing that become a reality for
him has been even though I'm not even attached to it,
just a proud moment of me feeling like, Okay, I
be right about some ship because to see a kid
like that are grown up, but a kid in this
ship where it's like you're finally getting your shot, to
see that happening, and for him to really start to

(38:35):
receive the fruits of his labor from the music side
now because he also comes from the film and television side.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
He is so talented.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
It has to happen that way, right, And people can
say what they want, but him also being signed to
a major record.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Label has helped, has helped. Those are real steroids, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (39:01):
So when we see our little brother, were like, that's
all he needs. Yeah, obviously you.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Got put the music with it.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
Now.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
But you can put great music on an independent level
and it starts to hit its head.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (39:17):
You put it on a major level, major label level,
and it starts to break that glass ceiling.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Still outstream Heartbreaker head around the world.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
The resources are just unlimited and the relationships.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
The relationships are they've been curated for the last fifty
sixty years.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
Because it's a difference in the independent radio person you
have working it in the Juliet Jones talk about you
talk about it, the Kevin Holidays on Ron Stewart. So
you know what I mean, you start talking about the
people that are in labels, that have been at labels
for years. You know what I mean that step Johnson's
back when the you know what I'm saying, like, yeah,

(39:57):
that's different is and note they have different relationships with
program directors with now who are people at DSPs, presidents
at our presidents are you start talking about guys like
Larry Jackson who helped start Apple Music, and it's like,
oh yeah, we're gonna run it through this program.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
And everybody looks.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
At that as like this whole you know, shit, we
ain't connected to nom we speak freely, this whole Paola thing.
Sometimes it's a relationship thing.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Yeah, absolutely, more than that than.

Speaker 5 (40:28):
Anything, because me calling him calling it's a different thing
than such and such calling from Saint Louis that they
don't know and this person from Saint Louis could have
all the greatest ideas, but don't have the relationship and
ain't spent the time with these people that can help
push you through.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
And I agree with you saying, because I've been going
to concerts prior to past since we stopped filming season seven,
Like I want to say, I went to Brazil.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Oh yeah, you're talking me. You put up on CB.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
Yeah, was like I gotta see this, and I just
remember being like, it's crazy. You can't do this by yourself. No,
I can't use by yourself. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
It's just the reality. And some people don't like to
live in reality. I know we live in the future, guys,
I know, I know it. But there is a thing
called reality where there are certain checks and balances and
you have to decide.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Who you want to be and at what level when
you want to be at that level. Some some people
got to eat too.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yep. I love it what they say.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
And the Godfather, you gotta let us.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Listen. You hold all the judges some insight.

Speaker 5 (41:45):
I watch every Godfather believe at least once or twice
a year, sir, every single one, because that is the
key to business. Those are yes, it's gangster ship and
all the yeah, all that there. Everybody love to talk
about watch the business up heah, yeah, the Business of
the Godfather will tell you everything you need to know
about the world.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, like, ah, that's okay.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
That relates Toleena was telling me to watch Godfather too.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Broh, please every time it comes on, I.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
Just stop, yeah, stop and listen. Definitely, I'm definitely you know,
we definitely talked.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
All we don't get that.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
No, I definitely agree though, and I do agree. I
feel like timing right now is definitely in twenty twenty six.
I definitely want to I definitely want to partner. You
know what I'm saying, bro, my kids don't know who
everybody is. Yeah, they know who you are. I told
you flat out, and you made my son today he
binge watches. Yeah, And that's what I've been seeing at

(42:46):
these shows, like even just the the indie shows I
did this summer, and just to some of the club runs,
like there's young and old showing up.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
You got them.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
I'm like, yeah, like, and you know, I ain't hit
the road in a it's different. And you know, sometimes
you just on set and your cubicle and your trailer
and you're running your lines and your episodes of Aaron
and you're not really out like that. Yeah, you just
And when I showed up to these clubs and I
showed up to these venues, I kind of like, I
was like, I forgot, I forgot.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah, I am him, I am I forgot. Yeah, it's
straight up for that. Yeah, it's really like that.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
I was like, oh, like okay. And then you got
the O G. Jacob Lotimore fans. You got the fans
who just never knew I did music.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
And that's not an age. It's not a like they
can do to all the analytics they want. Yeah, it's
whoever understands English at this point latch on to a
show Discovery like Discovery starts it at this point. My
son is ten. Yep, he understands all of it. Yeah,

(43:56):
so that's where it starts for you.

Speaker 5 (43:58):
You're in it to a lot of the world, bro,
like you Jacob does. Yeah, but a lot of the world.
Oh yeah, I'm sure people are calling you in.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
It all this just on the street.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
On the street came the plane, like there you go,
the go in it.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
So yeah, let's let's let's get into the shout out.
Let's let's get it. Let's get into that.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
Listen, be a blessing. So I want to Okay, I'm
gonna start l A. I came out to l A.
I did this movie called Mais Runner shout Out to.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
My Lost Past.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
We was number five on Netflix.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
I watched it at least seventy two times.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
Thank you for that.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Yeah, we're gonna get to resistual. Yeah. Yeah, speaking up.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
I met my brother Dexter darting and and I was
like he was the first person to walk up on
me in a major on the set and he was like,
man like, what's up, bro, Like you know, like you're
doing this movie with this I'm like yeah in the movie,
and I had a small role and it was just
like a really dope community. But Dexter had an apartment
out here in LA and he was like, bro, if
you want to come out to LA and get some

(45:17):
auditions in like and I got, I got a room,
you just go ahead for me on the rint.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
I'm like bet, you know, just like I got a
little roommate, good positive energy, meeting good people, you know
what I mean. And I was just driving ubers like
back and forth to Santa Monica, the Warner brother Studio,
like doing all these auditions, you know, and and then
I want to say that year I didn't get much

(45:43):
in nothing. I think the only film I did was
this film called Slight, and it was like Slight. We
shot it in like two and a half weeks, so
that the rest of the year just felt dry, you
know what I mean. So I just like, man, like
they keep saying I'm a star, but they not picking
picking me for the movies. Like I don't understand this,
you know what I mean. So I'm building relationships and
which was dope, which I didn't realize at the time.

(46:05):
But the next year Collateral Beauty Detroit, I did an
indie with William H. Macy. Then the next year I
go back out to l A again, like I'm gonna
go audition again, you know what I mean. I ain't
even stay in la that long. Book to Shay and
season one, we go out to Chicago. We filmed this

(46:26):
this pilot, and I'm just like, man, I'm like God, like,
is this just gonna be one and done? Like it's
gonna be like a It's gonna be a season thing.
It's gonna be back to back to bath and I
want to say, by the time I booked that, I
was like, decks, I'm moving to Chicago, bro, Like we
picked up, we picked up for the whole season, like
we got a season one, like they rock with it. Yeah,

(46:50):
and he's like, bad man, that's fire. So I'm in
Chicago like just praying, like, man, this season one needs
to hit, you know what I mean? Season one and
just went crazy.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
Did you feel it as you were as you were filming,
like this feels like something?

Speaker 1 (47:05):
I know? You are you just in it? I was.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
I was like, man, I at that point, I was
just so used to doing one film going to the next,
one film going to the next, So I was I
wasn't really promising myself too much, you know, because He's like,
sometimes you could just disappoint yourself, you know what I mean.
So I'm just I was always ready to pivot. And
and then it just went crazy that year. It went
crazy that year. And then I want to say, we

(47:29):
start hitting essence fast and we started hitting the ground.
I'm like, oh, I want to say. The first person
that recognized me at a at a high level was
Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant was like Bron you the little
nigga from a shot, right. I was like what, I'm like, yeah, yeah,
like you know what I mean, And shout out to

(47:49):
Kevon Looney he was he from Milwaukee playing for Yeah,
yeah yeah. Shout out the war manage them as well.
And uh so I was there filming a movie in
Cleveland at the time, like a like a brom Con
and and the only thing that was cool to do
is just go to the games, like the Lebron's last
time in Cleveland fast forward work with Lebron too, That's

(48:11):
another story that's crazy. And then and then just the
shot was just picking up, you know, and I'm like,
oh man, this show really catching catching heat, you know.
And then man, just like seasons after seasons and then
renewals and renewals and then not even know if the
show is gonna survive renew like and then Lena is

(48:31):
just like, hey, you ready, like you number one. I'm like, okay, okay, okay, okay,
like I've thank god, I got it. I got this
experience before with Black Nativity, being like, you know, number
one on the car sheet, like it didn't I didn't
feel too much pressure, and it's it's an ensemble as well.

(48:52):
So I'm already kind of like it ain't just me
on this show. Like everybody working, you know what I mean,
and everybody's great, and I'm gonna just set the tone
on just talk.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
About just quickly, talk about being a number one, being
the anchor, being the leader, and your process of going
about galvanizing the troops, you know what I mean, and
the camaraderie and all these things, because y'all rock with
each other, Yea, we do like that. It's it's not
just we move around again as like y'all are y'all

(49:23):
are together, y'all. Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Yeah. Just talk about that process and putting that together,
you know.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
I just think it probably goes back to how we
grew up, you know what I mean. We grew up
just family and just making sure everybody was good and
just having that big heart. So for me like this,
want in this to succeed, and just been in the
game long enough to kind of I didn't really start.
I guess I started finding my voice and I'm like, oh,
I've been in the game a while. Like I guess

(49:50):
these are some young young guys coming up on this show,
and I want to be able to show them more
than I could tell him, you know what I mean.
And I think it was just about like, all right,
I need to be more on time. I need to
arrive early to say I need to I need to
be off book most of the time, you know what
I mean. I need to be bringing good energy to

(50:11):
the workplace, you know what I mean, making people just
feel welcome and comfortable. We got guests coming in and
saying hello, like and just watching that. And that's what
I learned from Will Smith. I learned that when I
when I just like, I know, we'll probably like man,
he mentioned me in every interview, but.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
I'm like, get your own name, you do, do what
you and then you just say your name for the
most part instead of mine.

Speaker 6 (50:44):
You know.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
But I learned so much from you, you know. I
think it was just that leadership of just like what
it means to come to work as a as a
as an actor and uh and that's what I just
wanted to show on set, you know what I mean,
Like leaning with sentamscription our call cast members. That's for
hersity's lines the first time, real quick, let's link up
at the let's have dinner, Let's let's run these lines.

(51:09):
Let's not forget where we're at.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
On some team, because even.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
When they say cut, when we go out to dinner,
we still at work, you know what I mean. We're
not we're not on set, but we in Chicago when
they're dying. You know what I'm saying. They paying for
these trailers, they're paying for these drivers to come pick
us up at our early and you still represent you,
still represent you. Still you are an employee of the
Paramount the show times, you know what I'm saying. So

(51:34):
you gotta you gotta know that. You gotta know that
when you move in and and you know, when you're
young and you get money, and it's like and you
and you in your city. You know, my cast, most
of my cast is from Chicago. So you in your
city popping right, and it's.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Like, I'm like, you could go there.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
We shouldn't go there. We shouldn't go to this party tonight.
We should stay here. We should go to this little
restaurant like little speakeasy, duck off. Just us keep it low,
you know what I'm saying, Because we got to start
moving different because when when things happen, they're gonna say
our names. They're gonna say Jacob Blattimore's name, you know

(52:15):
when things go left, And I think it was just
important for me to recognize that because it was. It's
just a lot of times, man, I just found myself.
I'm like, I ain't supposed to be in this environment
right now, you know what I'm saying, Like, my career
is just different, my brand is different at this point,
you know. And it don't it ain't no no shade
or anything like that. It was just like, man, I
gotta I gotta get home.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
You have to understand the elements and everybody doesn't and
that's unfortunate. But and the cool thing about what you
just said, though, is that you've been able to identify
it but then also identify.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
It for your team more than just yourself, because.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
You know, there are people who just be like, yeah,
I'm out yep. Other than other than being like, you
know what.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Guys, we're out yep, because Jay'll leave and not say nothing.
You'll be looking around, hey, But.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
It comes to that point the like and you ain't
hear me the first time because it's probably a place
we're not supposed to be in.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
But I'm having such a great time. Hey, you get
us all. I'm like another thousand for once.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Where where you go straight up magic, heaches you up
and he's.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Probably told me he doesn't want to leave.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
Now, that's how it be too.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Yeah, I just minutes likes the lights to come on.
I don't like the lights. I'm still doing that.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
Thirty I'm looking like, who about to get into a spread?

Speaker 1 (53:42):
You know, and he's doing it. I don't love me, man,
they love it. Tank has never met a stranger.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
That's how I beat though. You're like, man, like, let's stop.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
You're right, you're onred thirty minutes because you understand it
means something to you. Yeah, all of this work, all
of this blood, sweat and tears, the opportunity, the people
who believe in you, the people who depend on you,
all of that mean something in your conscious of it.
And at twenty nine, I'm gonna take it back some years.

(54:16):
I'm gonna say maybe twenty five, twenty four. I wasn't
thinking like that at that age, absolutely not. It was
it was Patron, man, where are they? Where are they
selling patron at? Because wherever they're selling Patron, that's where
I went. That's where I'll be.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
That's where I'll be.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I'll be there at twenty four Long Island iceed TV
man bring me the hours.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Hey to go back.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
I was when we were promoting the Black Nativity. Fan
were going to different churches, and some of the churches
I was like the church, it's a little different. But
it was one pastor in particular. I wish I remember
his name because I really wasn't present like that at
the time. Was really like I was ready to go,
but my dad was with me, and his pastor was
just telling me. He was like, You're gonna have to

(55:02):
protect your temple on your journey. You have to protect
your You ain't gonna be able to do what everybody
else do, hm young And I didn't really understand what
he was saying. I'm like, why, Like I want to
do what everybody be done, you.

Speaker 7 (55:15):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
And then as I as I go on my journey,
I think that's coming. I fully understand that now more
than anything, you know what I mean, Like it my
brand is fragile, My life is fragile, Like everything around
me gotta be. You can't ride with me, you know
what I'm saying, Like it's it's real, Like everybody got

(55:38):
to be on the same everybody got to be on
the same wave or else. It's just I'm on mute.
I'm on mute to you, and it ain't it ain't
me acting funny. It's me just being serious about the
gift that that's been just been placed.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Good Steward, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
Yeah, because we spoke about that earlier too, right we
you know, before you got here tech, we were talking
about how the blessing m it isn't bestowed on everyone,
not as artists, right, everybody has their different blessings, but
we're talking about as artists in the arts, music, film, television, sports,

(56:16):
you know, entertainment, and how there are so many of
us that have so much talent and so many gifts
but can't make a living wage being that.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Man, it's tough. It's not easy, and we make it
look easy, and man, we try to we try to write.
And you know, we also spoke about the mental health
of that of you know, it doesn't always happen for you,
and sometimes you have to pivot, sometimes you have to
do other things sometimes, you know what I mean. We

(56:49):
kind of make light of it at times when we're
just like, well, you can't you can't. You can't sell
the same demo over and over and over. Right, that's
our way of putting it in a place.

Speaker 5 (56:59):
But I think, like what you're saying, those those decisions
that you've made ultimately sacrifices, even of saying like listen,
if you on.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Net you can't ride with me, that's crazy, okay, And
that can mean so many different things, so.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Many different things, bro, so many different things. When that
car gets pulled.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
Off, hello, hey, and that's happened. That's happened, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Where it was?

Speaker 4 (57:33):
There was a time officer looked at me, he said,
I know who you is, man, And he looked at
me like you ain't even supposed to be in the
car with this, yeah, and he gave me a pass.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Man.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
It was like, I'm like, man, I was like, and
it wasn't it wasn't mine. It just like it was
just I'm.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Like, come on, man, I'm in the vicinity.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
And I'm like, bro, like you can't come on, man,
Like what's up?

Speaker 1 (57:59):
I can't ride like that?

Speaker 4 (57:59):
But I can only just take accountability for me.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
It's me, it's you.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
It's like you should have got your own car. You
don't ride with nobody. You know what these people are saying, right,
you know these people, and sometimes it could be family too, man.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
And sometimes you want to just be family. You just
want to be the friend you just well, no, no,
it's cool because you don't want to put yourself above
anything or anybody. But it's like you said, it's not
about being above. It's just about being responsible. Because think

(58:35):
about that same family who may need you at some
point yep, right, and they're not responsible enough to identify
how to protect you. So you have to protect you
in order to protect them. Exactly, yeap.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
So I mean, man, I just I'm just still stuck
on your twenty nine on his eighth season, on his
eighth season of the Shot one more time. I'm just like, great.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
I also want to know, though, I mean, because listen,
you know, I don't I don't know if you've gotten
the script or not, or if you you know, you
don't have to tell us what.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Hey, man, they're gonna kill you. How does this thing?

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Man?

Speaker 4 (59:15):
Like when I read that script? Because they shot your ass,
I shot you gonna I was a little nervous with
my job. I was like leaning, leaning were good.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
Good cools, funny part is are not funny, but my
son is.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
He was like, dad, they shot man. Yo.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
When I seen my that that Dave Emmett obituary online
on Facebook with wings Man, I was like.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
The hood love shirt you off man a T shirt.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
No, When I seen that this year, I'm like, oh, Man,
this one I think. I was like, oh, this character
means so much to everybody. You know what I'm saying.
And I was like, I think it was just a
reminder again for me, just like, man, what you're doing
ain't like you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Know, like every hood has an image.

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
Yeah, you had too many kids too early.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
Really a good dude, good dude making it work.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
But he's gonna have to make bad decisions to That's just.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Yeah, he gonna he's gonna lose it. He's gonna crash out.

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
You didn't tell me, man, They're gonna smoke you. Man,
I'm still.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Trying trying to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Insights. Man, I don't want to know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Don't tell me it's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
I wasn't saying. I don't don't tell me.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
No, man, the shop being a blessing bro. I definitely, Uh,
I can't wait to do this last season.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
I think we're gonna we're gonna close the chapter right, Yeah,
you know, I think it's a it's nice to be
able to to know when we're closing. So you know,
I'm sure Lena in there just going crazy with the
writing and closing it the right way and close it
in a way where the fans have closure too, because
they've been rocking with.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Us for a while. Because how many episodes is that world?
We seasons? That'll be how many episodes? Though?

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
We I forget total. I think we may have reached
maybe eighty after this one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
I don't know if that number is correct exactly, but
I know for season six we had sixteen episodes, and
then the rest has been like ten, and then seven
was season seven was twelve episodes, and then this last
would be incredible. I believe ten ten episodes. So congratulations, Bro,

(01:01:35):
thank you man, thank you. Watching your journey has been incredible. Bro,
and you just as they say, you love to see
the good guys win. Thank you and you one of
the good guys, bro, like yourself, Trevor Jackson.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Yes, you know what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
Yeah, just a little you, brother, Kiki Palmer, Bro like
watching what you guys have done in this timeframe, and
a lot of y'all started around the same time. Yeah,
you know, not everybody, but a lot of y'all started
at the same time.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
And because me and Luke met on Black Nativity. Wow,
you know what I'm saying. Like then he later on
with the shot, So everybody your name I seen on
my path, you know what I mean, just at one
point it's it's it's a blessing. And I want to
say I just went to the Ebony one hundred party
this week and Roam Flynn and h Cool, Trebor Jackson

(01:02:27):
and Kate Camp and we were all at this I
gotta find the picture because I want to post it.
Were at one table and we were just all just like, man,
we probably we just we're just giving each other our flowers,
you know what I'm saying. Like we were proud of everybody,
you know what I mean. And we're seeing everybody like
I turned on my TV, I might see one of
my guys like like getting that. You know what I'm saying.

(01:02:48):
You know, it's hard, it's hard, bro, It's and it's
just the beginning. Just the beginning.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
That's the crazy thing. It's just the begining. Like you
think you think, you think you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
I think you know right now in twenty nine, Nah,
imagine that there are.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Still more levels.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Imagine that. Yeah, how crazy that is? No, I feel good, bro.
I'm like, I'm excited for that. I'm excited for that.
I'm excited for that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Bro, I'm here for all of it. In your mind,
in your mind, what is Let's just pick one? What
is the one thing you want to accomplish, just one thing,
if you could just I'm sure it's an array of things,
but the one thing you want to do, Just like,

(01:03:39):
that's just like an arrival moment for you in my career.
And I don't care where to be acting. I don't
care if it's in singing, I don't care where it is.
I don't care if it's owning a bit, whatever it is,
it's one I've always wanted to do, this one thing
of all the things I want to do.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
Yeah, pick one. Oh man, that's tough. That's tough. I mean,
as a it's like, it's either it's got to be
either selling out an arena tour. It's gotta be a
j arena tour. I gotta get I don't know I'm

(01:04:16):
gonna get it. You know what I mean, and then
it's got I gotta do it. I gotta have a
number one movie at box office. I gotta get people
out of the house to come see.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Me in theaters. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
Like, however, that goes even if it's a if a
Netflix number one to be crazy too.

Speaker 5 (01:04:34):
You know number the Netflix number one is you want
to get the people outside.

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
But I want to get people outside the house because.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
I think I'm a movie guy.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
No, yeah, I love Team Member. Yeah yeah, no, No.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
I really go to really go to the movie. I
go by myself.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Gotcha, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
I'm sitting there by popcorn and raisin nets and get
to it. Yeah, come on, man, don't don't just say
five and raising. Come on the guy.

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
Man, you're a glazy guy. Tell tell true. Bro, don't
lie to the people. Bro, I don't omit.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Okay, come on man.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
Hey, you got it there y'all went to the movie
theater in New York.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Lulu went to the movie theater and you know, and
things was rolling. It was it was, it was glistening.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
And I said, man, you got any any of those
hot dogs? Ready? Lulu walked away.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Lulu walked away from me, so the lady and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
They will rolling and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Roll and I guess she was she was she was
I think she was Caribbean and she was like she
was like, she was like, let me check for you.
She looked, she said, she's like, I don't think the
Glasies already let me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
I said, shut up. I said, you can't do that.
Once in New York is New York.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
She said, no, I'm not. I'm not trying to be anyway.
You just you're just you're ordering a glazy and I
want to make sure you have.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
What you say. You can't. You can't do that, you
gotta cut it. So when he's raising that in five quart,
they are they are laughing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Listen, man, I listen. Movie Glizzies. Uh, game glazzies. It's
part for the course. Get out of there, all right,
let's go somewhere box office. You want box office number
one and an arena too.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
I listen.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
I share your dream yeah to to to like matching
like brothers, I share your dream, share it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
It's like that's just something.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
I just feel like that's a that's a I did it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Yeah, I did it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
Like obviously you always want to keep doing it. But
if I can say I did that. Yeah, I did that.
I love that, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
I love that. I'm gonna say a thugs prayer for
both of you niggas, please.

Speaker 7 (01:07:04):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:07:05):
What they call it church prophesizing it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Did I get it right?

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
It just sounds fit. It sounds crazy when you say it,
just sounds like Pippin when you say.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
It, don't sound like church.

Speaker 6 (01:07:18):
Besides, yeah, Pastor Mallentine is prophesized, emphasizing that you two niggas,
it's gonna get with your azz.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Man right here. Yeah, yeah, but a lot of more.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
You've come a long way, yes, you have, not just
in your career, but in distance.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
You've flown a long way to be here with us.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Yes, sir as, they are canceling and delaying flights ten
percent of a day.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
WHOA, I made it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Your flight took off, my my, my mind, just as
your career, my man, my mind took off. You're flying high,
my brother, yes, but as you are flying.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Sitting in your first class Delta one seat.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
We we know how you travel, right, We need some information.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
The people call it, Joe, what they call it? Top five?
Your top five, top f your top five? What is it?
Are theaingle.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
All in me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
So we got to do before you go here on
this shoe. Everybody wants to know your top.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
I mean yes, right, top.

Speaker 5 (01:09:09):
Time five.

Speaker 7 (01:09:13):
Yeah, yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir yes, live yeah yeah,
top five, top five.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
Changes every day? Can we going top five? Jacob blamore
your top five? R and B singers, singers, fingers. We're
gonna male and female just both.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Have you sure you want to do it? Man?

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
Okay number one? Okay, not no order, but uh, Brandy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Come on come on yep?

Speaker 5 (01:09:54):
Yeah, Brandy using her You're using a clip from the
R and B Mundy podcast. Onto it right now. Listen
if I did love her so much I saw her.
Now you have to come on this. You got you gotta.
You want to avoid litigation?

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
Usher, Usher, big influence on me vocally, just performance, just
like when I went out on tour. I'm like, I
want to I want to wear the white jacket with
the star on the back, just how he did on
the Confession's tour. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
And Usher sounds like that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
Live Yep, he was doing it like you was singing
that that live with the head mic. So you can't
get away from the mic right the mic right here.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
You know you gotta send that too.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
It's all voice.

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
Bro, I'm crazy. I'm crazy for us. Uh USh, I'm
gonna go. I'm gonna throw my brother Luke James in there, man,
I throw my brother Luke monster, monster even I'm a
stay current to man. I don't really think he get
enough shine man. Avery Wilson cold hard.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Blooded, cold, cool blood cold.

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
He different, Okay, trying to maybe I should go back,
go back a little more. Mike Man, MJ MJ bro
human nature, like just from a kid to an adult,
going through voice change, still maintaining tone, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Mike went from Mike went from a vocalist to an instrument.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Yeah, the man of many voices. And I don't think
that's ever been done.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Yeah no, because every vocalist has just remained a vocal
I just became a better vocal just a better vocalist
that they've leaned on.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
Yeah, you know, just vocalizing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
And whether it be whether be the vibrado you know,
the tone, or or the tricks you know what I'm saying,
or the ash.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
That goes with it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Michael graduated to being an instrument to where his voice
was keeping rhythm. His voice was that he would do tracks,
he would be do instrumentation tracks with.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
His voice was like I'm like and I'm in the theater, like, oh,
it's levels so.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Much sould nobody's even tried, No, not that now, nobody's
even dared to tamper or venture into that space because
it's almost like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
We can't do that. That's nobody's ever gonna be able
to do that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
I can't wait till the day to somebody just taps
into that part, because that's what that's the great separator
of Michael Jackson, the nine year old vocal. We've heard
some nine year olds in church go crazy different, but
to graduate to a to become instrumentation, yeap, I've never

(01:13:07):
seen it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
Yeah, crazy wow. Never shout out to Jason Weaver too,
man like the Jackson that I want to say. Film
introduced me to a lot of artists as well, you
know what I mean, like Weaver?

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Yeah, I rock with him? Okay? Is that five?

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
That's five?

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
You want to say another one? You want? You want?
You're good?

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
Yeah, I'm good. Yeah, five, that's five.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
That's five. That's fine. Top five R and B songs, songs.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
Okay for like that change up every other day. But
today I'm feeling I want to go see New Addition
a couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
As you should.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
If it is in Love new Edition, I'm like, this
record is crazy, like and I'm looking at the arena
like twenty thousand United and Chicago like crazy, going absolutely crazy.
This just to have to movie too, Like it's just
it's huge. So New Addition, if it isn't Love, an

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old school favorite of mine is they don't Know John B.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
Wow, Yeah, I love it. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Yeah that song is special. Every time it come on. Yeah,
every time it comes on, I don't, I.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Don't, I can't.

Speaker 5 (01:14:17):
I can't think of another song that it feels like
it sits in a place by itself, that track.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
So it's just like it come on just like yeah,
when I'm in the cars. There's certain things that got.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
A play, play the whole song.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
Yeah, I got a forty minute drive run it back, man. Yeah,
so it's one of them. I'm gonna go be two
K got.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
To be yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:14:39):
Yeah, it's a very Midwest song. Yeah, it got to
is a very Midwest yeah. Yeah, having a Midwest.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Talking.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Yeah, what a song record. That's the song that made
me become a B two K thing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
Yeah, it's like when they go live with them too,
I'm like, I just remember where I was as a kid,
Like I'm like, this is bro, this is crazy. So
they just even know them and you know, like and
meet him at a young age too, like crazy. We
got two more thank you for this love two more. Hmmm,

(01:15:20):
I'm gonna go I think I mentioned it now. I'm
gonna go usher, superstar, superstar, call up, call out, and
then I'm gonna throw I'm gonna throw me in there.
Come on, I'm gonna throw jail in there. Man Company
Company by Jacobimo.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Come on.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
The Jail album is out right now, right now, right now,
right now, right now, right now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Listen.

Speaker 5 (01:15:44):
I said I was gonna throw y'all a curveball, so
we're here seeing real quick said that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Who the coaches niggatta be walking because y'all listen, y'all
got wait, y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
Singers or what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Who the cold is out of Milwaukee?

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
Man singers, Man tank Man, you go, man, come on,
I would never bro I would never know you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
A legend. You give it to you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
You're a legend, bro, But I feel like for me,
like I'm my career is just different, Like you know
what I'm saying. But like, yeah, bro, I I ain't
he That's why I'm here, hear me. I flew here
for this, you know what I'm saying. Who the code is?

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
You take to me?

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
I'm a singer, Okay, I'm a singer before I'm in
that space. I'm an actor too, but.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
I can't may not know who are from Milwaukee either though.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
I mean, is a Brenede It's Rico? Right? Is somebody
else life is from Milwaukee? Or No?

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
The young lady that was that used to sing what
it was from Milwaukee life night?

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Yeah, yeah, she passed, she passed to me. To me,
you are the most well rounded, thank you, of all
of us. So you're the You're the always talk I
talk evolution. That's my thing. You are the evolution of us.
You're the culmination of of all of us that came
before you. You're the You're the byproduct of that. So there,

(01:17:21):
I mean, but it's not for me. You're not just Milwaukee.
To me, I'm looking. I'm grading you on the scale
of the industry as a whole. Yeah, as I look
at the industry as a whole, I don't see a
lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
People better than you, bro.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
Wow, thank you man.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
So that's why I'm waiting for your arena tour.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Yeah yeah, where I can stand in the arena and
be like I told you, right, I told you who
that nigga was, Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Sir, Yeah, let's do it. Let's put it out there. Yeah,
I don't know, it's out there. It's happened.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
Coming to a to a nigga. I'm look, I got
the stage stuff on. Now turn on the light.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
You're let's build. Let's build a vultron. Let's build your
super R and B artists. Okay, where you're going to
get what artists? You're going to get the vocal from,
the performance style, the styling, the passion of the artists.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
And for you, who's going to be the choreographer? Mm hmmm,
let's start with the vocal. Whose vocal are you getting
to build your super R and B artists? Usher again,
your vocals, your vocal.

Speaker 4 (01:18:38):
You can do anything. You can just do anything. Performance style,
performance style, got it? I mean it's definitely it's c
B bro, Like you gotta go see B. But you
said choreographer to finish.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Okay, you're trying to sell one hundred million records on
one album future, that's right styling.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
He's gonna put your flyship.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
On modern day m J vibes, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
Me and Chris talked about this too, like the stuff
that Mike Where's like, we can't really wear that again,
but we can add you know, we can add stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
To it, like we can do something created uniform Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
Yeah, it was like because.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
He created uniforms.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
So when you say us c B talking about it's like,
it's amazing to me what Chris is able to do
fashion wise because he's never allowed to anything.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
He doesn't have a uniform.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
Yeah, he go crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
He never knows what he's on a tour, and he
doesn't know what he's going to We can trust that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
It's really freedom, freedom, freedom.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
The passion of the artist, the heart of the artist.

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
James James Brown, come on that part out. Yeah, Yeah,
I think I learned a lot about him in that movie.
Rest p Chadwick, Like, like I remember my dad was
talking about it, just he was just taking hold of
his career and just he he looked at himself as
a business, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
And listen at a time where there's a black man
you can do that, do that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:14):
I was like, no, no, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
We weren't allowed to eat with the promoter right with
the label.

Speaker 5 (01:20:22):
James going correct and then understood the economics of it. Yeah,
you know what, I gotta do a lot of traveling.
I'm a buy a plane.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Yeah the first what what I'm a buy my I'm
by myself a private plane.

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
I'm a buy it and then write it off on
the business that I own that I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
Yeah, James Brown something And who's going to be the choreographer?

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
Dan, I've said, listen Bobby Brown.

Speaker 5 (01:20:49):
Whoa imagine Bobby Brown telling you what you got to
do when you get on that stage.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
Bobby Brown. Bro oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Iconic
dance videos.

Speaker 5 (01:21:06):
Bobby Brown, every little step I take you iconic, like
I kind.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
Of old a war shows. Like he was just coming
out and just didn't care. He's just like, everybody get
on these seats right now?

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Yeah? What like he just like it was was attacking
the crowd. I was like he was attacking the crowd.

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
I'm like he was. I went rewind YouTube rewind, I
ain't I gotta digest it. I gotta get that, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
He was one man giving New Edition all they could
handle on that any heartbreak tour I sent.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
I sent.

Speaker 5 (01:21:46):
A few of those videos to Jayden. Yeah, I said,
just just just just watch him, Jay so cold. I'm like,
young fella, watch him. He like everybody watches Mike, everybody
watches Chris, watch Bobby the aggression.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Yeah, because because because in the dance space. In the
dance space, there's there's there's there's good dancing, there's there's
there's there's a good dancing all over the place, great dancing. Right,
so many people are dancing, the great dancers, so many dancing.
But that separator is what you said, something about when

(01:22:28):
that dog comes out of a dancer, things get different.
When Chris came out in all black fatigues yep, on
that screen tour, Yeah, I said, you mean, ye.

Speaker 5 (01:22:49):
James Brown was me, James, that was mean. Those dances
were mean.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
You gotta be he was laughing at other people after
you hit the move who want to say, Okay, good
luck to them.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
And that's and that's that's the thing. It's it's it's mindset.
It's mindset on stage. Man, It's like, especially when the
crowd don't even know who you are, that's when you
gotta have an ultimate confidence because I remember Chris was
talking about that like early on and just he was
proving himself. Then you know what I'm saying on that tour,

(01:23:24):
like like nah, y'all about And that's how I felt
when we popped off a Scream tour with Mama's behavior,
DIGGI and MG, like I didn't feel like I had
real records yet, but I'm like they about to see
who I am, who I am as a performer, you
know what I mean. I'm about to go. I'm about
to win them over. And when the crowd like kind
of anticipating her, like they like, I don't really know

(01:23:46):
you that opener and you're in front of the curtain
and you just like what it ain't No, Like it
ain't person, it ain't personal, bro, But like it's personal in.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Front of the curtain. It's different to people. People don't
people don't know what that is.

Speaker 4 (01:24:01):
Yeah, that's like no, no, hell yeah, close the curtain.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
Two monitors, ye and one light.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
And I'm still traveling in that little mini van.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
Talk about it it's like doing it's like doing a
talent show at an arena. Yeah, that's tough. Yeah, it's
not easy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
And to walk out on that stage and give it
everything you got every night and not be discouraged.

Speaker 5 (01:24:23):
Yep, it's the separator, separate separator. You're here, So why
are you here? We got one more segment for you
may before we you know what I mean, because we
you know we we know you know you're back on
the bird man, You're about to go do your thing,
you know what I mean? So you know we got
we gotta you know, catch you when we can. It's
a segment, man, you know, thanks, take it somewhere, Tank.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Take it somewhere. You remember. I know it now. I
ain't saying no. I ain't saying no na I ain't
saying no names. I ain't saying no names. Who you was,

(01:25:06):
what you did? Don't see she ain't saying no names. Yeah,
so right now, Yeah, very very important part of the show.
That niggas crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
You'd be at home doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
You'd be at home doing that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:28):
I'm gonna do that tomorrow. It's gonna kill it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
Yeah, that's that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
It's gonna love it. It's gonna go crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:25:37):
Yes, it's a very very important part of this show. Okay,
will you tell us a story? Okay, funny or fucked up?
Are funny and fucked up?

Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
I don't know?

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Okay, yes, you do the story, ain't it's probably.

Speaker 4 (01:25:51):
It may make up off a little butter. They really
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Okay. The only rule to the game you can't say
no name, no names. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:01):
I was just getting out of the RCA deal and
I'm discouraged around this time. I ain't gonna lie. I'm like,
I'm like, man, I just don't know. I don't know,
you know what I mean. I just I'm just kind
of feeling like that and kind of a vulnerable place
to approach me for another deal, you know what I'm saying.

(01:26:22):
And there was a particular artist that approached me, and
I just remember, like I just remember feeling like, man,
like I would love to work with you. I think
we can make th music. But a deal just I
don't know something.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Artists trying to sign you. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
And I just remember being like, at a young age,
at a young age, I remember having this discernment of
like this ain't it like and I was and I
was kind of like urgent, like kind of thirsty for another, like, man,
I need it, I need to get back out here.
But during that time, I just felt like this spirit
on me, like nah, like I know I got I

(01:27:04):
just I got something for you God, just like I
got some for you. Just don't do that. Don't do that.
And I want to say, just like, I'm just glad
I didn't. I glad I didn't. Man. So But yeah,
that's that's that's that's pretty much the story.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
That's it. That's it. That's it. I ain't really really
much to ask you about the rest of the story.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Sometimes that person who tried to sign you still are free.
I don't know, still doing okay, I hate the story and.

Speaker 5 (01:27:43):
Give I gave the story. Uh, this is a collect call.
I see you doing good.

Speaker 4 (01:27:55):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
You know you know, I know we supposed to do
some business back in the day, but you know, you know,
I respect you, know you as a man. You chose
your own direction and I'm proud of you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
I'm gonna hit you back a couple more til you
probably recognize the number, uh, because it probably won't come up.
I don't know how these calls come up.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
But uh, you know this call is being recorded.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
They love you in here. I got like thirty more seconds, man,
just letting you know. You know they fucking with you
in here. They're fucking with you in here, and uh,
you know what I'm saying, get at me, man, I'm
gonna hit you back.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
In the few.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
That's a boy, clearly, Yeah, that's a call left the
message on your voice man, because you ain't pick up.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
You don't recognize the number that was the collect call.
Who it is?

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Yeah, I'm just acting out the person you don't want
to tell us it is that said. I'm just acting
it out, brother, Jacob Latimore. First of all, we thank you,
We appreciate you. We don't we do not take your time,
your your your presence, your gifts we take.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
We take none of that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
Likely like we everything we've said to you in private,
we wanted to make sure we told you in public.

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
I want I want to say thank you to Bro
because I remember when I dropped my LEO season project
when you posted it on your page. So I mean
you was like, Bro, this arm this is R and B.
And you know, you know when you're independent, you're putting
out your music. You don't like know who listening for real?
So I do appreciate that man, like.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
No, we're serious support bro, We're brothers for real.

Speaker 5 (01:29:32):
So and you had one of my favorite residual challenges,
that crazy thank you you went crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
Thank you?

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
No I seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
I was like, did you think you went crazy? Did
you think I see? It's just he's good, he's good.

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
I was. It was like, I was like, let me
let me remind people real quick, like.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
I do this.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
You went from the you went from the heart though,
like you went in life and music is always great.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Life in music is always great. Your experience in real life,
in real time and real is in music. It's just
nobody can be there and.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
We all do it. You know what I'm saying. We
all like them private moments that may not be public.
We bring it to the record and now we're selling out.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
People feel it. People feel it differently. People feel everybody.
Everybody wants to know. Everybody wants to feel like you know,
and we're not. We're not above or higher than anybody.
But people do see us differently in terms of they
turn to us four things yep. And sometimes it is
it is comfort in knowing that on a certain level,

(01:30:38):
we're all going through the same thing. Yeah, absolutely, and
we're all trying to figure it out. We've all had
our heartbroken, we're all trying to figure out how to
pay this bill. We're all trying to We're all in
that space. And your residuous challenge was that it was
more of that thank you Listen.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
I got my shit too. Yep, that's I loved. I
was like, oh yeah, R and B understand.

Speaker 4 (01:31:02):
I was real to you about how we're shooting it to.
I said, come from the wall, pushing pushing hands fifty
like I was just coming off set to I'm like,
I'm seeing all these dps. Shoot, I'm like, I gotta
shoot mine a certain way.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
Yeah, thank you, mom. We we love you, brother.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
I appreciate you whatever you're doing, wherever you're gonna be at.
You know, you always let us know. We pull up
on your support and chills and then don't stop here.
But we are happy that we are able to have
a Jacob Lattimore episode.

Speaker 4 (01:31:38):
This hard.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Yeah, wait to watch shout out to the sun Rose. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
You see this, this is fine room. Don't you agree?
You want to I mean because Jake, because James, and
cheating right there.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
Okay, okay, okay, we will keep that in that hat.
You ever wont to bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
To get out of the army, you have won a
bowl against the R and B Money Squad. Meet us
at the sun Rose and get that ass whooping. Ladies
and gentlemen. Name is Tank Valentine. And this is the
R and B Money Podcast, the authority on all things
R and B.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
And this has

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
Been our brother, our loved one Milwaukee song Jacob blackwo