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Speaker 1 (00:01):
R and B Money.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
We are.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Thank take melogized. We are the authority on all things
R and B.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Ladies and gentlemen, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I am tanking down And this is the R and
D Money Podcast, the authority.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
On all things, all things R and B.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
They said we couldn't get it. They said we couldn't
get it. You're not you. You are sought after, you
are home grown. Hear the voice.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
You are a soulful songstresses.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Uh classy, thank you, and all her integrity is intact.
Ladies and gentlemen in the building. We got our letters, y'all,
we got lord. How you doing? I have I have
a bone to pick with you start off Normally we
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like to go all the way back to the beginning,
which we're gonna do and start and this is a
very flowers oriented, as Valentine will tell you pod. We
give flowers, yeah, all flowers to you. This is this
is your praise moment. This is for you to talk
your talk about who you are, what you are, and
why you are. Before we get to that, there is
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lyric in one of your songs, My god, they were
you are talking trash at the end. Okay, you say
this is not a rejection. Oh Lord, your erections, you
know this, this is shady all the control.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
How you how you're gonna be out here? Triple beautiful?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
The oh thanks, bad Brown and Bougie telling a man
that he cannot appreciate what God has done.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I mean I just felt it was it was giving
lust and it wasn't giving pure love.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
I needed that pure love.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
All right, I'm on your side.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I'm on her side. I'm thinking what you Okay, think
with your mind. You because as your mind and your soul.
You gotta understand, if you communicate with a woman's mind
and her soul, the body will follow.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
You went from the defense attorney to the prosecute.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I gotta go ahere, but she goes Okay, I started
off away, but I have to. I'm a fan. I
gotta follow, and she hometown. So whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
You, thank you, Thank you for coming, Thank you for
having Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
We really really really appreciate you being here, and I'm here.
We love your music.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
You got something later.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Shots and for you to be this nice and sometimes
just a bright light, you really be throwing some shade.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
A niggas man, talk about it. She's she's she's nice
to keep from like, y'all don't want this other y'all
don't want this other work, So let me keep it.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Let me keep it here for now.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
That is pretty mean. Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
Me.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Listen, let's start at the beginning, right, and I want
to start off. The moment I like to identify is
when did somebody say to you or say about you?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
That baby right there, got it, she's special.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
My grandma Holly, she was like she said, I sounded
like an angel. I guess I was singing in the
I was like three, and she was probably the first supportive,
encouraging person who noticed that I had something going on
in my voice.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So, yeah, and you're at three, you don't know what's
going on. You're just are you emulating something at the time?
Are you have to visit it like a favorite song that.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Sh house at that age?
Speaker 8 (04:20):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Did you grow up in a musical home?
Speaker 9 (04:22):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, well I didn't grow up in a musical home,
but like my parents were always playing like just everything
from you know, you know, the Jackson five to Eric
Bney to Alita Adams and Mariah Carey Whitney. So I'm
always listening to these Legends and watching Apollo with my
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other grandma. And yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
Guess that's when we talk about that all the time.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Really about how parents it's important to play good music.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
For your kids.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Oh my god, it's it's extremely important. I gotta play
good music for your kids because the stuff that they
friends going to.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Pl Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Yeah, good music for your friends, I mean for your
kids so that they can influence exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I met someone who told me she never listens to
R and B or so, she just only listens to
to trap music, which is beautiful.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I love trap. But I was shocked. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
She was so cool, right, nobody else listen.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
Whoever you are young laut here.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
She's not stabbing nobody, I don't think. But but yeah,
I was shocked, Like I mean, but I feel like,
I'm sure that's what she listened to growing up. And yeah,
so it's a thing some people just don't listen to.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
That we're trying to change.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Change.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It's a fight to give that, to put the good vibration,
you know what I'm saying in the mainstream for us.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Oh my god, talk about it.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
You know what I mean. So, what was the next
step from there?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Was it church?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (06:03):
The choir was the church?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Shout out to missus Kim, missus Kelly. Uh, there are
these amazing twins, gorgeous and can sang down. They have
this beautiful song called didn't I and Missus Kelly, she
was the choir director for the youth and she gave
me my first solo and I just did a lot
of singing. Heritage Fellowship Church of Christ.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Where's that?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Where's that church?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (06:33):
Are they still there? They still are?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
They're still going. I need to visit.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I feel like I might have been there.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I've been.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I've been to pretty much every church in the DMV.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Really.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, I was singing and playing at every church, carrying
my keyboards and my amp, my stand and yeah, with
a choir with my group or a singing solo like
I was at every church.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Yeah, it was a it was a good one.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
What church did you go to?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I went to Antioch Baptist Church in Upper Marlboro, Maryland. Uh, Patty, Uh,
he's still the pastor there. Yeah. We we were a
youth movement movement. A youth movement exactly is that there's
a couple of things. You're here, get into this, you
know it was it was of course we were following
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behind John p Key. Anything the New Life did, that's
what we was on. But we also founded the first
Christian fraternities fraternity and sorority. Oh wow, so you know
that that that's that's where our kind of youth movement
kind of grew and began that.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
Do y'all do the step shows?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Step show?
Speaker 6 (07:47):
But is it like a PG step show?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I mean, is there is no.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Some of the brus had pledged worldly fraternities.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Before or real quick.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Doing.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
They tried to put him in one of the attorneys.
I don't think y'all gonna let him in the church one.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
But we don't judge. If you want to be part
of a q A, you can't. Moving on, it's gonna
be okay about Christian fraternity anyway, So.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Church any singing in high school?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yes, I went to Duke Ellington School of the Arts
for a little while. I guess so the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, they let me in.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I don't know why, and I I was always skipping,
but it was the school I like the most. I
stayed there the longest there.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
I was always skipping.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, especially the last he was cutting at the School
of the Arts. Yeah, I just I didn't feel like
a star, and it I think like I felt kind
of like no one really cared. But towards the end,
like my teacher, mister Bonds, I missed. I think I'm
saying his name right, forgive me, sir, but he was
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very nice towards the end, like I feel like he
started to appreciate it, or like finding out that I
could sing, like he saw something in me in the end.
But by then I was running from this X who
moved on with some girl and they were always being
affectionate in school and it just killed me inside. So
I just I couldn't be at school to see so
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I would be at the museums and stuff, just skipping
and riding the train by myself.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So the relationship aspect of your music, this started along.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Always sadness, always single.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
Yeah, always sadness, always single.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, well sadness because of the single part. Not well, yeah,
I guess sadness in other ways too, But like, yeah,
it's always been a things. It is content, it really is.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
It's always there is this something that you consistently tap
into when you're writing your records.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I'm always thinking about what's going on? And I feel like, yeah,
it's always what's ever happening? Now? Like I go in
the studio, Now, well, I guess I wouldn't have much
to write about at this point, well if it regards
the romance.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
But yeah, so let's go to Discovery.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Okay, Discovery Discovery.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
So you're out of high school and you're what are
you doing? And when do we get to the point
where you're getting this phone call that you're like, who
is this again?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
And what do you want from me?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I mean I've just got a job at public storage
and I was making ten dollars an hour and.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Yeah, it was a really good job.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Like I knew this was like the highest page job
I've ever had, so I knew I wanted to keep it.
And the president of Dreamville Ebe he called me and
wanted to fly me out to meet Cole in l A.
And it was history from there, basically.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
So we're demos floating around or is it? Like?
Speaker 5 (11:22):
How how is it that it's that that connection? How
does that happen for you? Obviously you're from You're from
d C. And where are you are you in DC?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
At this part? At this point.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
No, I'm like deep in the middle of nowhere Maryland,
but I'm like an hour from d C.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
So how how how would it a label president hear
about you?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
So oh wait, No, during this time, I wasn't in Maryland.
I was in Charlotte. But yeah, he heard about me
through SoundCloud and this uh oh yeah, I was doing
a lot of stuff with Dave James and DJ grom Humble.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Eli, evening a lot of.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
People or yeah, a lot of people and just throwing
music out there and yeah, and this guy named Omen,
he's amazing.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
He put me on.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Too cold well cold, like he told Cole about me.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
So, so were you at this time when you're recording
before way before the phone call? Are you are you
thinking to yourself one day I'm going to be rich
and I'm going to be famous or are you like you?
I just love doing music.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
No, I just always just kept doing it, and I
was ready to leave it all for this man, but
he went to the military. He went to the military,
and so I was forced to kind of like focus
on my dreams.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
But like I really I always.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Want to leave this for love and start a family,
Like I don't want to keep doing this no, you're
not really know.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
We're going to get to that.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
We definitely.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I don't want to give that much energy to like
this man. This man, it's like, I want a family.
I feel like that is that's true life, that's true love.
Like to have a family is beautiful, it seems so
I want.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
That so for you. This is a moment in time.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
What the music? Wow, I guess the moment. It never stops, nothing.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Like its like, how do you like?
Speaker 4 (13:43):
This is great?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
And I'm very grateful for the fans.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I think, And I don't want to skip over getting
to the discovery because we're right here and I just
want to address it. I think there is so much
there's so much gold. There's so many lessons within your gift,
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within just who you are and what you represent. And
I feel like there are so many little girls who
look like you. Damn I want to try.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
To sing like you.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
They try to look like you, to try to emulate
your movements, to try to emolate your sound, your essence.
And because we don't have a lot of real talent, wow,
real singers, real things that we grew up on that
inspired us.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
And so when someone like you comes around and I
definitely understand the matters of the heart.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
For sure. I understand it, you know what I mean.
I'm married, so I've kind of figured mine out. I'm
still working on but you know, I fee but it's
like there's a there's a there's another side to that
purpose that is just ongoing. As you keep saying, it
just keeps going. Like no matter what else I tried
to do, I was like, yeah, I'm gonna play football.
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I'd be singing on the field firstime. I'll you can't
hold me. You know. It always grabbed me and brought
me back, you know, even when I wanted to quit music,
you know what I mean, I'm I'm I tell this
story all the time. I'm at Jamie's house and I'm like,
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I'm done. This music game isn't about music. It's about
all of these other things that I don't want to
be part of. And this is two thousand and two,
this is before social media, this is before all of
this that, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
And even then like that.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Then I was like, I'm better than him, I'm better
in I'm better in her. He's I'm better than that.
And I was like, they won't spend money on me.
I got all of this, I do all of that,
and they not feeling I'm gonna just go back home
and go to church. And one of the craziest moments
of clarity ever in my musical musical life was Jamie
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Fox saying, you can't quit because if if you leave,
then what am I gonna do? And I was like,
I don't even know what that means. He's like, I
look to you, Wow, I listened to you. Wow, you
inspire me. So who's gonna do that? And his sister,
who don't really play no game, she's like, yeah, nigga,
you stuck. So I stayed in his house, he made
he made me stay at his house, use the studio
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and all of that until I just figured my life out.
But I say all that to bring that back around
is that I didn't know who. I didn't know what
my true purpose was. Because the beauty of what you
just said is you weren't looking for money or fame.
There came a point to where I thought that that
was the validation and I lost sight of what my
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true purpose was. And I'm meant to give an inspire,
I'm here to serve. And once I was able to
accept that, everything else fell into place.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Wow, and you.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Have so much to give. As I listened to your music, Like,
I'm listening to you and I'm working out what you like.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
It.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
That's it, it's in here now.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
You got a real gift.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
You absolutely have a real gift, even from a songwriter's
standpoint to how you think now talking to you and
kind of seeing you and your reactions to things, things
are making even more sense to me as I've listened
to your music, because obviously you know we have the music,
and you make your assumptions off of whatever from the music.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
But then you actually meet the person, You're like, oh.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
It all makes sense, and I think you know yourself
Summer Walker Sissa, Like, it's very pure to me as
a consumer when I listen to you, it feels very honest,
you know what I mean? Like you got a lyrical
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you tell her to come back and get his bow. Wow, awesome,
but it's so visual.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
You got.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
You go get it so she can sign it for
she got You can't leave here without signing his bow.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Wow. The legend, the legend.
Speaker 10 (18:40):
I need you sign.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
If you want to.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
We're gonna sit it right up there.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
You talking about the bow wow, rat like when a
nigga comes picked up all this ship, like, don't forget
that too.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Shout out to Clemens because he helped me with that line.
I think he was joking at first, but I was like, nah,
we need to keep that, Like I love it.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
That's what songwriting is about. Yeah, Babyface told me that
years ago. You have to have something that they remember.
Yeah that sticks out yeap out of all the things,
that's the thing I bring up.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I just love people. Uh, I don't know. Having people
being able to relate is.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Like awesome, Like I fuck with that, you know.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
So, yeah you're extremely relatable.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, thanks, all right, So phone call, you get the
phone call. We need we need you to fly out
here and see one of the coldest Yeah, you fly
here and see cold Yeah, what is going through your mind?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Absolutely not?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Absolutely absolutely answer.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I do that.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Hell no, I just got this job. I can't lose this. Yeah,
I can't lose this job. I hate flying. No, I'm terrified.
And and I knew like, oh this is really a problem.
This is my life could change. But I was literally
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sitting there like telling myself no, and I but I
got drunk, and I did it. I got so drunk
and I just never stopped getting drunk alcohol, alcohol, blaming
on the alcohol.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
So there was no actual person who was the battery,
like girl, you tripping, It was the juice.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I believe.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Ee kind of calmly was just like, yeah, you know,
just come tomorrow. Like it was so like literally got
the call and like, yeah, like literally tomorrow, Like I
think that's what it was. It was insanely fast and
I really had no time to even think about it
or to really discover myself. But I definitely was like
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I don't think I can. I just got this job.
But he was he wasn't really trying to hear that,
like you know, like he saw the future future he did. Yeah,
I didn't know what the hell. I'm all. I feel
like I'm music or in that way, I'm kind of
the most present in my life, like I never think
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about what I could be.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
I guess and this shit, I'm just very present.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
But I'm so not that way in other aspects of
my life, like I e like my anxiety and anxious nature,
but like with music, I never I'm never really thinking
of like oh what I could be or like how
big I could get or something. Of course, it'd be
nice to have that, But I'm not thinking about it
like as i'm.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
As you're creating.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, no, like we're every day. I'm not thinking I
would like more money.
Speaker 9 (21:55):
But I played a lottery every week every they will,
they will, they gave me.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I've been I've been playing since the d m V.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Have you ever won? Big? No? Never, damn, I do
no think stop? So does this?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Does J Cole? Does the name J Cole? When you
hear this, when you get there and you're standing there,
it's like, there's go Ja Cole right there and I'm
right here. Does it?
Speaker 3 (22:34):
It doesn't? Like your mind doesn't.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Of course I was like, oh my god, I'm excited,
like it's Jake Cole in real life. I immediately we
get to work, I think we.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
I started doing a song to some.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Beat that was being made and it was cool and
never saw a light of the day, thank god. But
this other song I did stop and it was this
song called FaceTime on my first album, and it was crazy.
How like that first meeting we made a really incredible song.
Yeah just organic, Yeah, very organic.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Oh you're just writing a demo for someone?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Oh, my god, Yes I was, Actually I was. It
was for Rihanna.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
I forgot.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, I think we were in there, we were writing
for Rihanna, but you know, I don't think she. I
don't know if she ever even heard it.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
But yeah, FaceTime made your career.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, it did make That's how it goes.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
Like a lot a lot of people in our industry,
they don't take those chances when someone says I need
you to come and help someone else's career and, you know,
further their career.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
A lot of times, especially artists that are writers, are like, I.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Might give away my biggest record, you know what I mean,
Like they we I won't say that, because we're all songwriters.
We fall in love with the music. And sometimes you'll
leave the studio and you're like, damn, I probably could
have kept that one.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Damn.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
You know, you have those moments, especially when you're strictly
a songwriter, you know, Like I've had moments where I
was strictly that's just what I was.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I was a higher gun.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Called Jay to write some songs.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
And I definitely have some moments where I'm riding home
and I'm like, man, I hope that nigga don't sing
this the way, maybe.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
I could keep it.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
You just have those moments, man, I wrote that about
such and such, But it makes it makes those opportunities
where you were Now you can create a full People
don't understand that. Just take the opportunity. You have a
full career off going to La flying. Don't like flying
(24:55):
to write for another artist. This song ends up on
your out mm hmm. Yeah, it's a great song.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Thank thank you.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
So it's like, that's that's just how this ship works
if you take those opportunities.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, I have to learn that.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Really I was taking the divante approach his publishing companies
for his damn self publishing, and all my music was
for me.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Really, Yeah, it's for me.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
No one's going to sing it like me. Yeah, to me,
it's mine.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah that's but that's kind of true though it should always.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Oh wow, because I was broke then I got said
on the bench. So when I got benched, you know,
I ain't no money. And so Jamie Fox was the
first person to start stealing all my songs. Yeah I
need that one, I said, I was.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
It was his studio, damn, damn.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, I'm gonna need that tank kind of his It
was kind of studio. I was forced into sitting on
the bench. They wouldn't put me out. I wouldn't put
my music out. Jamie was giving me an opportunity to
find my way back, just writing and producing in his space,
running to Damon Thomas, hanging out with Tyresee with when
(26:18):
the how You're gonna act like that? It's going crazy
and Damon Thomas, you know it gives me the Hollywood.
I'm like, that's all crazy, Like you wrote that, Dawkins.
So I'm just and they're like, you should come, you
should come work with us, Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
And I'm like, I don't like giving away my songs,
my sauceman down to my last.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Go up Downder Dogs, meet this guy, and the first
records we do are oh for Marion Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
And I'm trying to.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
First of all, I'm obsessed with that album Up Sash.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
He went crazy insane.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That is my favorite. Oh my god, like literally ran
that album into the ground. Like I love the whole
album especially I'm trying to Yes, I love.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
This is super full circle. Were you a part of I'm.
Speaker 10 (27:21):
Trying He sings the backgrounds, the backgrounds.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I'm fangirl Wow, you're amazing. Oh my god, like that
that was literally you could tell what that project like
group like people like people came together. That was a gorgeous,
soulful cohesive.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
It was a very it's a great moment.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
It was like a star weekends what it was awesome.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
It happened in a weekend.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
I'll no, we'll give you, we'll give you a quick story.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
We'll get a quick story.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Don't have time, no, no, So All Star Weekend in
LA maybe two thousand and three, three one of those,
I'm sure somebody in the comments, so like Nigga it
was two thousands, okay, okay, you google it, but somewhere
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around that time, and they had the Grammys and All
Star Weekend in LA that same weekend, and the Underdogs
was a collective. It was we were like transformers. Literally
it was five to ten, I would say anywhere between
that five to ten, like really established songwriters producers who
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all came together and we formed like Votron and we
just wrote songs and produced songs for people, and we
ended up everybody was kind of when to la, I'm
gonna go out thing that weekend and it ended up
being tanked. Myself Eric Dawkins and Antonio Dickens, Dixon Dixon,
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Antonio Dixon, and we were like, we got records. Let's
just because O was waiting in the lobby. See, this
is a different I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give
you a little context of how the music business used
to be. It's a little different now. But for the underdogs,
we had had so much success as writers and producers
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that they would labels would literally just send their artists
there and have them wait in the lobby and be paying.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Yeah yeah, wait, why yes, because.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
They were waiting to get their turn in the studio.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
I can name the biggest of the biggest artists who
I would not who set in that lobby for hours,
and we used to figure out ways to entertain them.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
So what Jay would do. What Jay would do is
pull out the dice. Oh and take these artists money.
These artists getting.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Games were there there.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Oh, Marion had just done a weekend two two K
shows by himself because he was a solo artist.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
They got a honey with.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Him, so you had to take it.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Fifteen of them. No, I took that fifteenth and I
told him before we start, I said, oh, don't do this.
You don't know him. You don't know him like I
know him. You're not from this place. He had that cash, Oh.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
My god, it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
But you know they would have that, they would have
the artist waiting. It might be four or five artists. Yeah, wow,
all paying a studio rate day. Yeah, you taking wait,
I mean.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I turned it into that.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
But they were waiting to get in these rooms and
get sessions going. And we just took a liking to Oh. Oh,
it's just I don't know have you met him yet?
Speaker 6 (31:07):
I feel like he is a great guy.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
We talked once in online.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Yeah it was a great guy, amazing spirit.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
And one day this fool driving on the freeway comes
up with, oh what literally he's driving escort.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
For Scott.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
He told you the rolling the windows down.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Like this want this?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Okay? All right?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
But that was my last because I looked at Oh
and I said, he's I said, he's trying to cross over,
very tough space, to cross over from a boy to
a man. Did that hardist thing. And I said, you
need a.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Song called Oh my god, that song was hot.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
He is, I said, it's vain, I said, but it's
a response. How do we get every call and response?
We need everybody to know your name and know the
effect that you have on women, and it has to
be completely associated with your name. That's the last track
I actually produced on the NPC before I switched off
the computer and logic all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
But that was the last one, and I was like,
I got one.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
But to me, it was nothing vain about that song.
He still adamantly was trying to please her.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Absolutely, But think about this though, like you want Like Geno,
I used to do it all the time. He used
to always put G in everything. He used to always
try to find a way to throw a G in,
you know what I'm saying. Whatever song he was singing
in someone so you know you sing that about me?
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And and so with Oh, I think we were consciously
trying to make sure that you know his name wow,
because he was coming from a groups that separate him
unless he is oh than the local Oh. It's always
oh sing oh and always gonna give it to you.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
You know what I'm saying, Oh, dance.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
Think you might have like he was doing something like
turn into.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
He was spending with it a while.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
When you come from a dancing world. When you come
from a dancing world like myself, Like when you dance,
you know what I'm saying, you you try to try
to make your guy the dancer. Now he's a dancer.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
This is the thing I danced in my first video,
Monster Dances. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
But it seems like it's a correlation between me dancing
and the songs not working. So that's the only reason
why I stopped dancing. That's the only reason I stopped dancing.
But I can dance again.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I want to see I do. I do want to
see it.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Not gonna do this, do this for your players. I
didn't think he'd really do it.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Have you written any records for anyone else?
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Never?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I did a session with someone really amazing. I won't
say her name because I don't know if it's weird
to say. I don't. I don't know if it would be.
But I did a session with her, and Yeah, that
was cool. That was really cool. It was my first time.
I think that was my first time outside of this
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song I thought was for Rihanna.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Yeah right, I think, yeah, I think you should write
for more people want you.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
So, I don't know you're not ready to get away.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
It's not even that I take them like I would love.
I don't know if I have. I've lost I think
my passion for writing. Honestly, I don't really know what
else to say at this point.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I'm not going to talk about I think that's when
writing for other people becomes becomes special, because it's like,
you know, let me tell me your.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Story, story down, you know what I'm.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Saying, Like give me.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Let's like, let's just hang out for a day, Let's
hit them all, let's go grab some food and let's
just talk and chop and build. And you know, I'm
in a session with uh, with Kate Michelle and my dog.
Right So we're in the session and we you know,
we got it in and we just we just get
to talking trash like Kate Michelle's just you know, she's ridiculous.
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We just we just go at it.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
But I'm like, so, I said, I saw you another
online other day.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Just talk you. I don't know why you be online
talking crazy. I'm telling her when I'm doing the same thing,
and she's like this, na fuck that, you know what
I'm saying, Like he had the right one. I was
the right one. That motherfucker tried the right one. I said, oh,
ship one, you got love right?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Said yeah, Blass blasted on Twitter and I'm gonna blast back.
I said yeah, yeah, yeah, And that became like that
was exciting game.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
It's like a game, like a puzzle piece. Oh this
is beautiful. It's psychology too, and.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
It's getting it out.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
The worst thing that you can do is just have
it breathing inside of you and you just never.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
The gift and like.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Keeping the gift to yourself, keep the gift to yourself.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
I'll stop the world.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I'm thinking about going to school for psychology and this.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Could be a way to well.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I mean, music for me is completely therapeutic. Yeah you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Like my my my wife is always looking for certain
emotions out of me or certain responses out of me,
and they're not available. Because I put it all in
my music. I'm able to meet her at a at
a better place because I just I just I do
all the sparring and all the screaming, and you know
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all that I put that in my music. So therefore,
when I find to get to talk to her, it's
I'm in this place that's good. Let her baby this way.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
But I think I think as he's saying, I think
you have a lot to offer in that space, which
is an awesome space. You know what I mean too.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
To further the legacy, okay, of who you are, because
I well, I know this is no excuse for me
in comparisons in to you and you and so many
other legends. I've been writing, like all my life, I
wrote this mixtape. There was mixtape I did way back
in the day called five Finger Discount.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Then there was.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Aureography, and then there was Shaye butter Baby, and these
were all the things that I wrote myself. And then
by the time Shaye butter Baby happened, I feel like
I was just after after that, I was just burnt
the fuck out, Like, yeah, record thinks.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
And you got a plaque off that record, Celebrate the plaques.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
This this same music is just living somewhere under a bush.
Music is living worldwide millions of people, millions, mother fucking fuse.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
What goes in what goes into the thinking when you're
writing a record like Shade butter Baby for you.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
Like, what was what were your thoughts with that record?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I was literally my friend elite. He's amazing, an amazing person,
amazing producer, and we're always kind of like playing in
the studio. We're not it doesn't feel like work. So
I think I was playing SIMS, either playing SIMS probably
on the side, probably SIMS was around SIMS three, this
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computer game, and uh, sour Patches, probably somewhere around eating
sour batches. And I think I literally was doing my
hair on the couch with Shade Butter, like I was
literally doing my hair and it just happened. And then
my friend or manager Maddie for many years or many
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years back, like he would just jokingly call me like
a Shade butter baby before I would get on stage.
And so I feel like all of it kind of
like meshed in that studio moment.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
Like were you really leaving Shade Butter on niggas on purpose?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Not on purpose? Not on purpose?
Speaker 1 (39:37):
But figure out.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
I mean, it's just live.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Right here, and.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
Now she wrote a song right here.
Speaker 10 (39:53):
I knew.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
I never thought about this.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
But this is how men when we.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Really pillows are out there. I mean, yeah, damn, I
never thought about it, but I yeah, I destroy so
many pillows just naturally, naturally because of the oils in
my hair. You know, there's all kinds of oils in there.
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It's castor oil, there's olive oil, shade, butter sometimes and.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Yeah, I destroyed a lot of pillows. Yeah, but not
not not as.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Partnership.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Need it bad, I need it bad. But it's not
always a romantic thing. It's just yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
The pillow cases.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Aren't because it's like all these oils and scents.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
It's like you get the rim in this when.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (40:55):
Damn, yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
Yourself.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Man, she won't call back.
Speaker 6 (41:09):
You gotta watch that pillow. Brother, even if she won't
call you.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Wash it out.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
You're not coming back.
Speaker 6 (41:18):
Just wash it out, get over it.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
I just never thought of that.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
Never listen. That's what the music does. The music does.
Speaker 5 (41:27):
It travels. Yeah, it travels. All of those songs and yours.
Like I said earlier, your songs are so vivid.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 6 (41:38):
That's a that that is a talent in itself.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
Like we appreciate the songwriter, thank you. The vocal is
one thing. Yes, you're in a great vocal. Thank you songwriter,
because that's that's the thought process, that is like Okay,
if I say it this way, it could hit you
know a little bit.
Speaker 6 (41:56):
But if I said this way could sting.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, I think I'm a dog direcked person. So I'm
really sang like how I talk and how I communicate
with people. And sometimes that can be too much. Sometimes
it's you know, just right. But yeah, if yeah, that's
a thing.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
But it should be unapologetic, for sure. It should be
exactly how you feel it and how you see it,
because as the art is consumed by consumers, you aren't
necessarily creating for them. You are just you are creating
first for you, like you're just singing it, writing it,
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producing it the way you feel it. They're not in
the room when you're doing that. Ain't no, you know
what I'm saying. It's not a gallery of people like no, no,
no changing lyrics or you know what I'm saying, I'm
singing better. No, that's all you. It's a painter on
this easel. Just this color will work. Maybe maybe we'll
throw some trees.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
Right here, some trees in here, and you gotta see
fish and you can go fishing right in here.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
This pawn them, Yeah, but stupid. They're not involved in
that process and so it should be exactly how you
feel it and they have to decide if the art
is for them or not.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Yes, they do decide deciding, like relax.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
You know what it feels like. I don't think you know.
I don't think you know how big you are. I
don't think you know how influential you. I don't think
you know you know. I think you have a self
worth for sure, Yes you have that. I don't think
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you have the full.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Perspective maybe a bit aloof for sure.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Of like what you are.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Yeah, thank you, Yes, it's I don't know what that
is like when you were talking about the beautiful girl
that like that look like me, that.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
Are inspired when they're listening to this music.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
When I was saying those things, I literally wasn't thinking
about that part. That's literally my favorite part, Like seeing
young people are like just people, just black women that
fuck with what I'm doing, women that funk with what
I'm doing, and it's it's everything to me, And that
is the exciting part. Seeing like when I got my
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transcripts at Theodore Roosevelt, the school that I graduated from
because Duke Allentown and graduated from there. I got I
got Yeah, I got kicked out.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
You football.
Speaker 10 (44:42):
God.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 7 (44:46):
Congrats, great way to say whatever, nigga, because I'm waiting
to hear what you're talking about old football, our Bundy ship.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
It was great. I went there to pick up my
transcripts and this I this beautiful girl.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
She had locked.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
She was gorgeous, and she was like are you I
was like hi, and we had this beautiful moment and
it was just it was unmatched. Like that was like
I was surprised at someone so young, like you're in
high school and you you fuck with me? Like I
was shocked. I'd be shocked a lot. Yeah, I'll be shocked.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
I think I was.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
And I've been taking this. It's been weird. It's been
like ten days. Over ten days, I haven't been on
the internet, and I've been kind of like forced to
be outside, but more and more like I'm like more outside.
But yeah, I realized that is a thing that needs
to happen. I've been sheltered, sheltered in the internet world
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and kind of like a slave to it, like really
just addicted to it. And so I feel like I'm
finally waking up and experiencing real life and real human connections,
you know, nothing like that, really getting to know people
for who they really are and they really are, and
they really are, they really are, they really.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Are when we met people like we actually met people.
You know what I'm saying. You met, you sat down,
you dance, you had a drink. You know what I'm saying.
You come over their house, you know what I'm saying,
and try and avoid their mama when you're running in
Like it was real interaction. So getting comfortable with a
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person was way different. You know what I'm saying to you.
You didn't have to weed out a whole bunch, you
know what I'm saying. And then something if you knew
somebody on their block, they had to they had to
four one one on them.
Speaker 6 (46:56):
I need that, you know what I'm saying, stat of
sending a DM about them.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Heah, I'm done with that. You're done done.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
To connect and be comfortable and have those maybe intimate moments,
you know what I'm saying, without having this this this
extra thought about motive and all of these other things
that go along.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
With it, so you can meet a shady person in
real life. It's just literally people are catfishing in different ways,
like they're sometimes they're literally not who they say, but
literally I've seen people have completely different persona online Now
it asks a person like, why don't you show the
world who you really are? And you know, for whatever reason,
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they refuse to people. So many people are living a lie,
and it's just I rather meet people in real life
as they are. And I feel like the only way
you can really do that is take your time, like
literally get to know people like I can't. I just
can't afford anymore shady experiences. So I really I'm guard.
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I'm guarded.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
No more.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Tail You're so trifling. You know what's.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
Crazy about that?
Speaker 2 (48:08):
It wasn't. I was so mesmerized, but you know, in hindsight,
it wasn't. It was not It was not all of that,
but I was so it was a moment. It was
a moment, it was a good time, and then after
that it was not great.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
I was not great.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
That's how means though, Yeah, the fact you were like,
what was Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:36):
What the fuck was I really? I really?
Speaker 4 (48:39):
Yeah, I romanticized.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
But it's always hard when you're in it, you know
what I mean, to to consider outside of it, Like
you just don't you're just in it, and you're.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
Going along for the ride, So in your mind you're
going to promise all this fly.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
It was because yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Damn Yeah, And I'm realizing it's it's clear. Yeah, it's
all of it. It's I'm falling. I'm mesmerized by all
of it. How fine the person is? You know, their soul,
their energy, like all of these things.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
You know, and you're a lover. Yeah, I can tell
you're a hopeless romantic.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Oh, I'm tired.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
You want to you I don't want to be. I
don't think you can even like watching wrong to be
able to change it. I think I think you can
avoid it as long as you want. God, but you
are changing better, You're not going to do it.
Speaker 5 (49:35):
Okay, here's that question though, Why is it? Why is
it better to not be that is a hopeless romance?
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Because it's literally it's it's toxic. It's you're just so hopeful.
It's too much hope, too much bright eyed, naive, and
it's it's sad.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
It's not nice.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
It's so damn I love Disney, but so damn Disney.
It's mom, I'm tired of being this little Cinderella, you.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
Can be.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
I don't want to be.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
Put them together to create her own meritive. I think
I think that she wasn't giving it nobody.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
I think that you can be strong.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
And still if she was, would I'm.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Trying to move past talking about I'm trying to get
out of Cinderella.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Probably having fun and that's beautiful, and that's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
You can still be strong, you can trying to give some.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
And hopeful, yes, I mean hopeless hopeless.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
You can hope, well, we can say hopeless romantic, but
you can still be strong and hopeful at the same time.
You can because because I think that I'm a glasses
half full kind of guy. Anybody that knows me will
tell you that, Wow, I am searching for the light
in the dark situation, and no matter how smaller than
that light is, I'm going to rest on that light.
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That's what I was supposed to get out of this,
and that's what I move on with. And so it
keeps me from one area.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
I'm so positive.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
I don't want to be anymore like that.
Speaker 6 (51:22):
You don't want to be positive, and by the outlook
in that it.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Hasn't served me. I feel like if I approach a
relationship not attached to any outcome.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
I think I'd be better off. I'm so.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
It's bad for an anxious person.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Listen, I would say, you know, I would say, make
the audit and whatever you feel like the adjustments need
to be, you make them and see how that works.
But I think ultimately your true self and being your
true self, it's what's going to pay off in the end.
Speaker 6 (52:02):
Somebody's going to appreciate.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
That hundred a sweet little freaking.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Something.
Speaker 5 (52:08):
Hey, listen, might might be the little guy that you
pattention to him, little guy.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
You might treat you right?
Speaker 5 (52:19):
Yeah, what I got sisters like him.
Speaker 6 (52:28):
He's such and such such and like you so much.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
He's so nice to you.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
I've given, I've given.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
That anyway.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
I've been open. I think I've been too open, and
now it's time to like, Okay, there's enough off, like
I've been too to like I really feel like it's
I've been so lenient, even with my standards, ridiculously so.
And but now it's like hell Na, like there's a
there's a list now like and I'm.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Wavering, ain't mad at your checking red flags?
Speaker 5 (53:07):
And I'm sure they got some cameras trying to catch
you somewhere with somebody, so you.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
Know, nobody, nobody is thinking about me.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
You look at Lennox and and uh.
Speaker 3 (53:20):
The Dwarf number eight.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
This is on this is on topic. They're they're all Disney,
They're all Disney.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
All right. Well, yeah, it's a different time. But as
we talk about times, as we get into times, and
you are.
Speaker 4 (53:47):
Timeless, thank you, you are too.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
We want to thank you.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
We want to get some information from you about your
time here, okay, on this planet and the music that
you've heard and how resonates with you. Okay, what are
your top five R and B artists male or female?
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Oh my god?
Speaker 6 (54:11):
Period?
Speaker 2 (54:12):
What the fun?
Speaker 9 (54:15):
Never?
Speaker 3 (54:15):
That?
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (54:18):
With you here?
Speaker 3 (54:19):
I feel this no pressure, No, it's you, it's yours.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
I'm not going to do five. Five, I'm not gonna
do five.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
I'm just we're gonna were unlock the doors twenty.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
I can't decide. I can't decide. I don't I'm indecisive.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
When's your birthday?
Speaker 2 (54:38):
March twenty sixth. I'm the ariess your.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
Birthday, Jani first Capricorn, Caprica.
Speaker 4 (54:44):
Run the whole thing, You run the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
Whole thing, I don't know how that five, no idea
to five July Night.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
July ninth, oh a cancer, oh hanging, none of it.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
Not like us, not like us. It's top five.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
My brother's a capricorn. Top five, just all right, I'm
all right, Mariah Carey, Mini Ripperton, Aretha Franklin, why not,
Whitney Houston, Elephantzgerald. I can't do this though, No, no, no,
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not done.
Speaker 3 (55:36):
That's all you get. You get five. That's a powerful five.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
But what about guys?
Speaker 3 (55:42):
You you win females.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
That's fine, that's finely all right, that'll be cold. I
don't make music for dudes either. Think about the niggas.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Oh my god, I should, I should.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
We're done, yours next five? This this is you. You
don't know how to ask him.
Speaker 6 (56:02):
Because hes gonna tell a story he told on another.
Speaker 5 (56:04):
Podcasts crazy, this is crazy. He recycling for us.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
I just tell my truths.
Speaker 1 (56:10):
They happened.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
I just happened to tell them a lot.
Speaker 4 (56:13):
What happened?
Speaker 5 (56:16):
A yeah, amazing, amazing, top five, amazing, top five. I
know you wanted to give us a dub yea. You
probably gonna fight us. It's fine, it's fine, but your
fire is amazing.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
Top five R and B songs that soundtrack? What's your soundtrack?
Speaker 4 (56:38):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (56:39):
Between the house to you know, make love to.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
Put on your shape butter to.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
Make you know what? I never.
Speaker 4 (56:53):
Wait here?
Speaker 6 (56:56):
Ain't no joy Joasy?
Speaker 2 (56:59):
Yeah no, I've never made love to Joasy.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
Wow. Every everybody in the room saying, wow, that's crazy.
I don't even know how you do that. I don't
even want you do that without joy? Just like that?
Please go crazy?
Speaker 2 (57:24):
Wait, I'm just what's that?
Speaker 3 (57:27):
Listen your talk five R and B songs right now?
Speaker 1 (57:31):
Let's go all right?
Speaker 2 (57:35):
Dionne Ferris hopeless. Can't you see total?
Speaker 6 (57:43):
Oh Jesus what Keisha?
Speaker 2 (57:48):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (57:49):
Keema and came and came almost messed up her name.
Speaker 2 (57:52):
This is so hard. Why are you doing?
Speaker 3 (57:56):
You're almost there?
Speaker 2 (57:57):
I'm not almost there? Okay, y'all, this is hard, ship man.
How did uh? Nobody's supposed to be here? How did
you get here?
Speaker 1 (58:12):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (58:17):
Massive?
Speaker 2 (58:17):
These are all songs that start Grapevine, Brownstone? What am
I own?
Speaker 3 (58:33):
You got one more to go?
Speaker 2 (58:34):
Oh? Lord, y'all, this is unfair. This is unfair, This
is evil R and BH my god, okay, my last
(58:56):
one resentment Beyonce.
Speaker 1 (58:59):
MM hmm, it's gotta have a few record Yeah, all.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
Girls again, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (59:07):
What we're starting to get the message power. We're starting
to you ain't ship. You're starting to get the message. No,
maybe we should tour together. They're gonna take all women,
got it? I hate Mary, j says Mary. Let's go
to our taking women.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
Marry Mary, Mary, I need twenty you can do Mary,
you can okay, Mary, Okay. My favorite Mary song? That
song child.
Speaker 4 (59:42):
He said, this is your child.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
I like that one.
Speaker 1 (59:53):
It's a little more of that. Sorry, it gets expensive.
Talk to management. I know you got some bags, right, It's.
Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Not that everything.
Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
When I started singing, she would very.
Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Give you feelings, would be lying on the ground if
I stop.
Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
Before we even get to the next thing. Though, this
has to this conversation has to happen.
Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Okay, on it?
Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Yeah, on it?
Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
I love Jaine on it. In my opinion, is the
female win. We wait, very aggressive, very straight to the point.
Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
Thanks bedroom record, and a lot of women don't make
songs like that.
Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
So for y'all to make that record, it felt like
it was hard.
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
It was always wait, what the no, it was hard
getting Jasmine too to be freaky because she's she's she
don't want to be she don't want to get nasty.
And I said, come on, you have to. She wanted
to change a little bit. I said, no, spit on it,
(01:01:35):
sit on it, and I had I had to just
gently say it has to be this way, like, it
has to be this way. You know, you can't change it.
Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
You can't do this like we have.
Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
A great hype that is amazing. Women need a friend, like,
oh my god.
Speaker 5 (01:01:52):
I don't know if you have a friend, like, but
you need a friend, a friend, your man talk about you.
Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
A friend like.
Speaker 6 (01:02:05):
Her home girl.
Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
It has to be this way, this way. Yeah, but
it wasn't. It wasn't vile.
Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
No, it wasn't no Chesapeake Bay.
Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
No, because you hear it going.
Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
Drate bit Yeah, yes.
Speaker 6 (01:02:32):
We don't want no dries. We don't want no dry bitches.
Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
No, that was about.
Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
Yeah, what it was about you?
Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Damn damn.
Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
Yeah, you're right, it was vile.
Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
You receive you receive the message from different people differently.
M right. The vessel is very important in terms of
the transfer of information, and so when you sang that,
it felt right. It didn't feel like why is she
(01:03:08):
singing that it felt like Hallelujah, louis.
Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
The balance of the fact that y'all, y'all were saying right,
because you can get that off sometimes on some I'm
just gonna get freaky and it's just gonna be whatever
it is.
Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
But to actually be singing it put broad to it like.
Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
That.
Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Glory is a heritage fellowship.
Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
It had, it had so much soul and spirit because
for me, for I mean, I think for us as
a collective, like sex is not just sex, right for
talking abou everybody in this room is what we do
sex is making its spiritual. There has to be a
certain spiritual tone connected in order to for there to
(01:04:07):
be a proper connection. If we aren't exchanging souls, we're
not doing this the right way. Wow, we're not intertwined.
We're not doing it the right way. Yeah, okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
And if you're not, only you're not doing it. Shout
out to Jazmine Celexae that amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Amazing record, you know what.
Speaker 6 (01:04:33):
Your system off of that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
I love doing it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
I love it so much for my favorite songs. And
shout out to Cardiac he produced it.
Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Oh my god, the same guys produced when we wos
beautif Wow, damn connected.
Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Yeah you made some sexy songs, tank and you sound
it's church sex is ur Yes, it really is sex.
The church's church.
Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Section church for sure. For sure. It's it's sneaking in,
steaking in the basement or somewhere on the pills at
the church.
Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Yeah, sometimes you got to wait.
Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
You did that before.
Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
What I want to get from you, I was, I
was in the Listen, man, who was you doing? I
don't want to talk about the church at the basement.
You know what I'm saying. Listen, you in church all
the time. This is where, this is where you live.
(01:05:39):
I lived in churches freaks house, so it's my it's
my house.
Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Well i'm his house. The church is the building where
all the houses congregating.
Speaker 6 (01:05:52):
But okay, come on, come on.
Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Past listen. I remember.
Speaker 5 (01:05:57):
So it took me to a church long time time ago, right,
and I'm watching I'm watching the mannurisms of the pastor
and in my head, I don't say this out loud,
but I'm going.
Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
It is giving.
Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
This is what I'm feeling.
Speaker 6 (01:06:17):
Right.
Speaker 5 (01:06:18):
It is because I want to say, he said, trah,
I know that I may not know.
Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I don't know Bssalonians, but I know you pronounce it.
Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:06:34):
Okay, and.
Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
But just you know, there we go.
Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
We're building an R and B voltron.
Speaker 5 (01:06:49):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Okay, So we need to know who you're getting the
vocals from, who you're getting the performance style from, who
you're getting the styling from, and who you're getting the
passion from the heart of the artist. So let's start
at the beginning.
Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
The voice. Who you're getting the vocals from to build
your R and B artists.
Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Oh, I'm creating.
Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Creating from scratch. Oh my god, grab a vocal.
Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Who's folk? Who's vocal?
Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
Maybe Edda James?
Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Maybe so stirring.
Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
I want that growl, so stirring that Rice. Rice has
been thrown she she I like a growling singer like Fantasia.
Oh my god, anointed like chilling.
Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Watched her win America's Idol, American ideld you talk about crying,
Oh my god, for no reason.
Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
She just deserves everything. She was the best singing distever's everything.
Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Who are you getting the performance style from?
Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Well, one day, I would like to really get comfortable.
I always imagine myself or sorry, the person. This is
a person. This is a person that we're creating, okay,
has nothing to do with me then all right, so Prince, yeah,
you're just seous the purpose standing yeah yeah, purple princes
(01:08:34):
yea in the world so well. He always I feel
like he's just always commands that stage.
Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
Such a star.
Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
He commends in every facet and I don't even I
don't even know it's on purpose. I just think he
just did whatever the fun came to his mind. This
is how I feel there should be no back to
these gens.
Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
And man, yeah that is yeah, yeah, yes, what did
they call chap chaps?
Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Man?
Speaker 8 (01:09:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
I'm I'm gonna sit on this horse asshole naked?
Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Did he do that?
Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
I know that fur was sticking the ship out?
Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
Wow, he was sitting on a horse naked.
Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Brientz. Here we go.
Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Who are you getting the styling from styling? You want
your artists to look like wow.
Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
Oh look like or dress like.
Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
All of that ship dressed like like, you know, well,
the style.
Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
I really like how Rihanna and Kylie dress. I think
they're Kylie Jenner and Rihanna. I think there are some
of the flies women. Ever, I don't know or to me,
I just funk with their style. I want to dress
like that. It never really works out that way, but
I want what I want to But how I want
(01:10:01):
her to look I guess she's a girl. I want
her to look like.
Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Me.
Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
I guess Okay, maybe that's up. Okay, sorry me with
like for sea hair, that would be cool. Yes, beautiful
kinky afro hair.
Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Not that.
Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
Who are you getting the passion from the heart of
this artist?
Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
Passion?
Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
What do you mean in terms of delivery?
Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
Delivery?
Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
How you feel it?
Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
Who makes me feel?
Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Which one of all the artists you've named? Who are
you going to take.
Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
The emotion from fantasia? Yeah, it's like Jesus, Oh my god,
I wish. Yes, that woman is annointed.
Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
She's a preacher saying, and.
Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
I purposely I wouldn't go out and watch her performer
any just Oh I couldn't. I couldn't take that every night.
You know what I'm saying. I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
I couldn't keep dedicating my life to the Lord.
Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Yeapy I feel when I'm on stage with Jazzmine. I'm
I'm a fan, so I'm so mesmerized, I damn near
forget what the fuck I'm here. Therefore, I'm chills I've
never felt that with someone before on stage. Literally, she
gives me so much chills just being that close to
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her and hearing her.
Speaker 6 (01:11:30):
Yeah, it's crazy, monstrous.
Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
People with that kind of vocal will definitely derail any
intentions that you went out there.
Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
It happened to me with La Adams.
Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
It was supposed to be a duet.
Speaker 6 (01:11:47):
It wasn't quite.
Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
It wasn't quite.
Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
It was fifteen percent eighty five percent Landa Adams. And
it wasn't that I didn't know what to do. I
just couldn't do anything. Yeah, I couldn't do anything. I
was standing like see, yeah, I'm gonna change my life.
Like the building, the whole no, no, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
The entire yeah, building shake.
Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
I was wild.
Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
What is experience?
Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
This is on my god? Yeah if the entire when
I say building was shaking.
Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Yeah, she's everything.
Speaker 8 (01:12:24):
It's like Adams.
Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
It's like that.
Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
It's one hundred percent like oh my god, not even close.
It's a hundred percent like that.
Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Yeah. I need I need this, I need this from
my soul.
Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
We got one more thing for you.
Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
Yeah, we gotta talk a little party show. It's uh,
it's god, I ain't saying that, talk.
Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
About, Oh my lord, what the hell tell the story?
What the fuck is this?
Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 6 (01:12:52):
Funny and fucked up? Are funny and fucked up?
Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Funny and fucked up people either one?
Speaker 5 (01:12:57):
Just a story and it's just you just don't include
no name is in it.
Speaker 6 (01:13:01):
Just of your travels, of my travels, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 5 (01:13:03):
When you were just like well you you know, you
literally was just sitting like yo, that was wild.
Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
This ship.
Speaker 6 (01:13:09):
I can't believe this ship.
Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Oh my god, of my travels, y'all.
Speaker 5 (01:13:12):
I don't know, because it could be before the industry, could
be in the industry, could be whatever. But it's just,
you know, a story that you just don't you don't
put you know, you don't put nobody else name in.
Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
It, say no names. Look at you and while you're
telling the story, does she tell that story about me?
Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Because you ain't say no names.
Speaker 4 (01:13:33):
I mean, it's bad.
Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
I shouldn't tell us.
Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
It's so bad. It's good good.
Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
I can't even tell you the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Just can't say no names, no names.
Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
This this guy, he says something so mean to me
at a festival once with a smile, on his face,
and I was like, did you really just say that?
And he was just like, yeah, I just said that.
I can't even tell you what he said because it
was the worst thing anyone's ever said to me, well,
one of the worst things. And I was I walked
away and I was like, I can't say it. I'm
(01:14:08):
embarrassed because it's it's so bad. It's terrible. It was
so mean and it wasn't true, it was.
Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
It was just it was so sad, was there?
Speaker 6 (01:14:19):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
So I leave and I told my friend, you know what,
I'm gonna fight him. She was like, she was like no,
and she would not let me out the door.
Speaker 4 (01:14:33):
I've superhuman strength.
Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Pushed her out the way, went out the stairs to
find him, didn't see him. I went outside to find him,
didn't see him. Then I catch him in the hallway
and three pieced him. Yeah, and his friend was so shocked.
He was he was about to square up.
Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
Well work by girls. I can't get it.
Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
It happened so fast, but I needed to do three peace.
That's what the security said.
Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
I don't remember much.
Speaker 6 (01:15:08):
Are you back out pretty much?
Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
But I know I landed.
Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
On the space you know what, ye that might be unexpected.
That might be one of the best names because it's
so unexpected. Son, how you're telling Yeah, I just had to.
Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Piece.
Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Tell them what you did.
Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Tell them what you did. I was proud.
Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
That's an amazing No. No, a three peace.
Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
No, I'm not No, No, I don't want to create
this delusion that I'm an amazing fighter. I don't want
people to come up to me and.
Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
You just you.
Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
You just had a great moment and it should be celebrated.
Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
It's a beautiful a three piece. But I don't want
to be fighting people.
Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
No, you won't be Listen, you're gonna take this nickname
all the three piece. The three piece is security right.
Security is prevention right, And so when they hit three piece,
they're gonna know.
Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
This is relaxed.
Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
I am not a fighter. I am not a violent
person in a relationship. This is not like I'm not
going around punching my boot. This was just disrespect.
Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
What he had to say.
Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
It was disrespect. It was just it was like is
this It felt like a reality show, like it was
unreal what he said to me. It was like, I'm
so nice, Why are you being mean?
Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
I like how you came to the decision though, I'm
going to fight him.
Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Yeah, I was sure I.
Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
Should him, You should, I should? You proceed to get
to it. That is. That is admirable because disrespect has
to be met with you gonna learn to respect me.
Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
I don't want it to always.
Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Doesn't always, but some people need to.
Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Know he did because that was wild.
Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Some people need to know we believe in that Ari
three piece Linux.
Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
We are. We are elated that you stop by to
give us a little bit of your time, a little
bit of your energy, a little bit of your gift, insight.
Where you've been, where you've gone.
Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
This was beautiful, and we encourage you.
Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Thank you with with all that you have, thanks and
with all that you can keep going.
Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Please keep going, Please will I'm gonna stop.
Speaker 6 (01:18:03):
We're gonna keep supporting.
Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
Strange thank you being.
Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
I'm gonna be in the comments.
Speaker 6 (01:18:08):
Yeah he got you. He definitely be in.
Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
We get the next I'm working on it. Know you
work with you and.
Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
You can like do this available time of.
Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
The day, already thinking about the next project.
Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Is that mic right now?
Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Serious?
Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
That's expensive? That looks for vocals.
Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
What you have, you can't say you can't get on
that Mikey telefunk.
Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
Yeah, so what we're doing. I don't play with no
vocals that.
Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
I'm sorry for that couple.
Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
We got a couple more here, wow, a couple more Wow.
Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
That looks like a very.
Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
This is the place where you can sing.
Speaker 4 (01:18:53):
Yeah, yeah, I would love that.
Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Enjoy yourself. So anytime we are available to you.
Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
And because that Okay, I'm serious, No I need y'all.
Speaker 6 (01:19:03):
I'll mention it on.
Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
My live.
Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
All right, Lenx told me.
Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
She told me, I'm serious. I would love that, y'all.
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Music is insane, Ladies and general.
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My name is Tank Valentine and this has been the
R and B Money podcast with the amazing.
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