REPLAY: Jade Novah

On this week's episode of The R&B Money Podcast, Tank and J Valentine welcome the multi hyphenated Jade Novah to the pod. This talented singer, songwriter, comedian, and content creator brings her infectious energy and unique perspective to the conversation, detailing her journey through the music industry.

From her early days in a girl group to her rise as an independent artist, Jade shares the highs, lows, and everything in between. She breaks down what it's really like to navigate the music business without a major label backing, and how she's managed to carve out her own path to success. Jade Novah is Now on The R&B Money Podcast!

 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
R and B Money, Honey, we are.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Take about the chi. We are the authority on all
things R and B ladies and gentlemen. Money is Tank Valentine.
This it's the R and B Money Podcast. It is
the authority on all things.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
What it is?

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got talent in the building.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah, it's shining. You see, I got glasses on.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
You see it?

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Is it so much shine? It's the gifts are in
the buildings. They are Are you well rounded? Huh hm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Do you know your chart?

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Do you do? You know either? Can you do it all? Man?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Don't look shy?

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Sang it, sing it, write it, write it, acted, produce it,
promote it, doing impression up, doing impression up.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah. But wait, you don't know your chart, your birth chart.
Do you all know what time we were born?

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Now you know what, let's get into the interview. Let's
do it to it. I don't know any of that.
I was for any of those women in my d
MS trying to figure out my chart. I will never
tell you because I don't know it.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
I was the seventh baby born on January first, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
None of that was in the morning.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
But you don't know what's time.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Seven seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
I do know that my father caught a charge on
the day I was born, because I've seen his police record.
Is that does that? Did that do anything?

Speaker 1 (01:44):
I absolutely had some astrological significance.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
I was just randomly looking at his rap sheet one
day and I'm like, Dad, are you serious?

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:54):
This is my birthday?

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Man trying to get to you.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
He had to, you know, he had something on him,
and you know he got.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
You know, yeah, a little celebratory.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
No, not celebratory fireworks.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Maybe for another time, we'll discuss a gunshot.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Geez, doctor, go slap, slap my son on the back.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
So pull it out. Hit him again.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
See what happened?

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Hit him again?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
See what happened?

Speaker 1 (02:30):
How you doing?

Speaker 3 (02:30):
J good?

Speaker 1 (02:33):
I just seen you.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I did.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
I've seen you at south By Southwest talking in a
little fireside chat and dropping gems.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
And enough fireside chat. Shout out to Alex Haike over
a sound Royalties.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Out there talking about man.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Man, we're talking about the business man and and getting
into the ideas of ownership and in ways that the
business can help you and fend ways that people don't
really know or are able to tap into it.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Sound.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Royalties are one those places that people don't really totally
understand how it helps you, how it can help you
sustain your business and grow your business and all of
these types of things without having to give away ownership.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
So that's where I was, you know, doing a panel,
and what you're doing here is a penalty.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Now we have an example of independence, a clear example
of independence, how you can thrive dependently.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
But also, like you know, I think you know there
are so many I mean, there's so many ways of
skin a cat, but I think you've done it in
such a way where you've led.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
With your talent that analogy scared me. Do we do
we have another option for skinning cats as a vegan?
I find that Here we.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Go, Here we go.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Peter agreed.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
I mean, but but they didn't eat the cat. It
just just okay, let's get let's just get their hair cam. Okay,
so I didn't eat the cat. I don't know part
of this is getting it the cat. I'm scared.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
I'm scared of peed.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
It more than one way to chop down a tree.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
That's still that's not good for the environment.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
All right, Okay, there's it's more than one way to
be successful.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
Oh you could be literals.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yes, and you've I think I feel and I'm sure
most would agree. You've let with your talent like in
a in a in a space or in a landscape
where people are leading with a whole lot of other
things like what shock value? Ass?

Speaker 4 (04:43):
You know, I'll stop there, shock value and ass.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Maybe that's their talent.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Maybe because some people are really gifted.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
But where I come from, you had to be able
to sing it, turn all that ship off. It'll be
a sing Thank god, you write a song, that's a plus,
but then stand on that stage and deliver that ship
like nobody's business. But you're also a unicorn in the
fact that you act and you do all of these
comedic things and have to commit like that. Now you're

(05:13):
now you're just showing off. Yeah, now you're just showing
you don't want to talk.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
I told my friend I was coming out here, and
I was like, yeah, Tank, and like the comedian Tank,
I'm like, wa, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Somebody cool.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
That's really cool.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Standup you up?

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Now I've been doing stand up.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Okay, I'm gonna have to like, I'm gonna have to
pick your brain on that because I'm getting ready. I'm
ready for stand up.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
I'm gonna tell you there's there. There is no like blueprint,
Like everybody's gonna have different advice for you right in
different you know, just do it. I know what's the
worst that can happen?

Speaker 4 (05:56):
I know, yeah, getting heckled, But I mean I think
that's a part of the process. Name Chappelle, the most
incredible storyteller, comedian of our time, gets.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Heck You can rebuttle a heckle. You're fast and witty
enough to get back into. It's not what you think
it is.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
I just can't see j being like, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Most certainly I sold the crowd during an R and
B concert to shut the fuck up. If the energy
isn't right, I will call it out.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, but we gotta get back to that job. How
do you tell the R and B? Because I've been
to your show, Yeah, I could not imagine you in
the middle of that show where it's like stars and
beautiful things and lights.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
I'm a Gemini. I mean, I don't know what that
means to you.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
I know exactly what this means.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
He seems very anti astrology.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
I have a daughter that's a Gemini. I know exactly
what it is.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yes, we can.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
What's your day? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (06:52):
May thirtyth My daughter's May twenty six made Gemini. So
when Emerald gem is what I like to call us
because the birthstone.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
And okay, I'm gonna tell her. You know you're an Emerald,
I'm a call as soon as we fits. No, it's
just I think, just literally just jump. You have the material, like,
you know you're funny. You know you're funny, and so

(07:20):
it's just discovering how funny you are in this space.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, and it trusts me.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
It goes a long way when you can get on
that stage.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
How long have you been doing stand up though.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Y'all started years ago?

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Shit, close to.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Eight nine years old, you've been doing this. I had no.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Idea, but I literally jumped off the roof. Literally I had.
I had never been on stage before. And Chris Spencer
is getting ready to go up in Atlanta and perform.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Damn was that eight years ago?

Speaker 1 (07:54):
That's more than eight years ago probably, And that was
more than eight years ago. And Chris and I was like, bro,
you're here in a landa, you're going on You're going
on stage. She was like, He's like, yeah, what's up. He'said,
you want to open? I was like this, man, no,
you know I don't be doing those those things. You
know what I'm saying? Though, Well, well maybe, yeah, yeah,
I want to open. He's like, then shut the funk up.

(08:14):
I said no, I want to open for real. He
was like, whatever, all right, just just meet me up here.
I was like, all right, cool. And I sat there
and I just start writing jokes right on the spot.
On the spot, yeah what I thought with jokes anyway.
So I start writing these jokes and these bumps or whatever.
And so I get there and I'm like, I'm like,
I say, Chris, I'm like, yes, So what's up? So
what time do I go on? He was like this,
fuck are you talking about? I'm like, what time do

(08:35):
I hit to stay?

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Man?

Speaker 1 (08:36):
I want to open. He's like, man, come outside. So
we go outside. He'sa liked this, are you sure about this?
He's like, because this is what you should do if
you're gonna do it, say, I said, I got it.
He said yeah, but this is different. Thank if you.
I said, I got it. He said all right, okay, and.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
How many minutes did.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
You prepare I prepared, like, see, that's the thing. I
didn't know what minutes were as I'm writing jokes. I
don't know back to songwriting. Yes, not knowing when the
hook that it was completely foreign to me. I just
know I had about four or five jokes, you know

(09:13):
what I'm saying. But I also knew that I was
a storyteller, so if I needed to extend, I could
just I don't make up some shit whatever. And so
when I get there, there are other opening acts. I
thought it was going to be me and then him,
there are other comedians and when I say they are
going crazy, they are fucking ship up. And I like

(09:33):
when somebody's singing good before I go on, or performing
good in the R and B space, I know what
to do to combat.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
That take off.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
That's my method.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, niggas your comedy right there.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
So I never I had never followed a comedian that
was killing.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
So I said, if you could give me three patrons,
just three o them, three of them. Just just line
me up with three shots of patron really quick, because
this thing is going crazy. I don't know what's gonna
happen when I get up there. Pads Patrons, he called
me up to do this set, called me up to
my set, and I do my set, and it's one
of those things where anything that could go right went right.

(10:20):
It was a magical moment, like literally like my my
ending joke. The girl that was supposed to be participating,
it was just dance she was supposed to be doing,
and to make my joke even bigger, she fucked around
and slipped and fell off the stage and I said,
that's my time, good night, and everybody's laughing, going crazy

(10:43):
like it got It was so crazy.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Chris came on, he did it.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
When he started his set, he did his first fifteen
minutes about me, like this motherfucking came on.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
So I literally jumped out the window.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Almost got booed and it's in inglewood, but that's a
that's fine. It happened.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
I almost got booed in front of baby Face, so
I came back and said back down. Baby Face looked
at me, said it took cuts in baby face fashion, right,
And then somebody went on stage after me and did
a whole fifteen minutes about me and my outfit. So listen,

(11:20):
that's commedy.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
You gotta you gotta, yeah, you gotta have a lightheartedness
and a thick skin.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
You of all people, can do stand up.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Okay, say I received it and.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
You've got when you go up, I'm.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Coming absolutely not. You will do it like anonymously.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
How do we do it together? Okay, okay, we just
picked we just we.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Pick a spot.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
We'll go somewhere on linkashim or go seasoned.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
I'm not season jumping together.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
You just.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Nobody.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
I'm not. I'm not known as a comedian.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Clearly you are because when I told someone I was,
somebody said tank to comedian, comedian, let's do it together.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
You have way more comedic hours than I do. I
know that for a fact.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
Okay, I have some materials.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Let's let's yeah listen, and then you have the trump
card when you go into that person impersonations.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
It's a rap.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Yeah, yeah, it is a rap.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
That's the that's the it's number one love and comedy. Impersonations. No,
I can do a couple, but they're not like great,
can I hear him?

Speaker 3 (12:36):
No?

Speaker 4 (12:38):
But who do you do? Though? Just so I know
who's your who? Can you impersonate?

Speaker 2 (12:43):
I do Quincy Jones?

Speaker 4 (12:45):
I could? I could already imagine that you would do that.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Well, I stow that from Jamie. I do Quincy Jones,
and uh, that might be it.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
Quincy Jones is really big on horoscopes too. I met
him and he asked what my sign was. Yes, Devin,
my husband with his sign was that's a thing for him.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
You know, quiz is different. Okay, all right, so let's
do this. Let's go to at the beginning. Yeah, let's
start at the beginning. All right, the early Jade is it?

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Jade? Nova isn't isn't birth name.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
That is not my birth name. That is my given name.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Okay, gave it to you.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Let me get that.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
So where does Jade Novah come from?

Speaker 4 (13:28):
Well, Jade, I'm really into like stars, and I'm really
into crystals and all that, and Jade is like the
stone that represents femininity and love. And and then Nova
I'm into the cosmos and Nova is an exploding star.
So I just put those two together and then added
in h at the end because whife went on you,
that is really cool.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Tank stellar tank tank cutless nova. This guy.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Well played.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
The beginning. Let's go back to oh Hire Cleveland.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
From Cleveland, Ohio, born and raised born and raised on.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Then I have one question. Do you know Tasha?

Speaker 4 (14:19):
I mean, of course Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
I just.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Need to know if you know Tasha.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
I don't know her person.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
I always wanted to meet Tasha.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
Maybe you guys should have her on the shows.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
How you have to listen to that, to to those
few bars, like really listen to them to understand how
trapped those bars.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
You're talking about Tasha's bar.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Absolutely, they literally say, hey, come here, come here, come here,
get Tasha. Come sing. Just just just sing that we
hear you know what I'm saying. Just sing that ship
all right? Literally just that. And she definitely had.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
A beard in her hand.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, probably shout.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
So in the beginning, where does this love for music
come from? Where did? Where? Where do you find this?

Speaker 4 (15:09):
I mean I grew up in a musical family. Like
my dad, he plays guitar, he plays keys, and he sings,
and he was in a rock band when he was younger. Actually,
so I grew up listening to a lot of rock
and roll. And my mother just loved Broadway musical She
had like all the Broadway musicals on vinyl, and yeah,
my sisters sing, So that was just sort of a

(15:30):
love language in our house, like we just sang like
kind of like the Black Partris family, well, the Jackson Puff.
I don't know why I said the Black Partners because
there's clearly an option for that. But yeah, we were
like just a musical family and was it.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Was it church related or it.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Was just more so not so much church related. That
came a little later in life, but yeah, just singing around.
We would go to nursing homes and perform. My dad
would write songs and me and my sister would sing
in a way. So I've always been singing, that's always been,
That's always been singing lead. Oh I was. I was
definitely the Beyonce of the group. She was, Yeah, she was.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
And is your sister? Does she still singing with you?

Speaker 4 (16:14):
No, both my sisters did at the time, and no,
neither one of them do.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
No.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
One's a nurse and one is a full time mother
of six.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, she spent her time.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Raising that family.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
She was listening to the R and B clearly.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
So when was the separation though for you where you
were like this could be a career for me, or
someone identified you as just being different than everybody else.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
Well, I was in a girl group. And it started
off with my sisters actually, and then they went off
and started doing their own thing. And then the woman
who was managing us at the time just started bringing
in different girls. I mean I feel like they were
probably over the because I was in this girls group
from the time I was like eight years old to
eighteen years old.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
What.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Yeah, And in that whole time, there was probably about
twelve girls who came and win. I was the only
one who stayed in that whole time.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
So that was my name in the group change or
was it the same name?

Speaker 4 (17:12):
The total package for ten years for ten.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Years, Yeah, and they just kept repackaging.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
I mean they were trying, you know, yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah, they were trying to find the right Yeah, but
that was that was my I guess you would say
church or boot camp and sort of learning how the
industry worked and learning how to record in the studio.
That's pretty much all we did was record demos in
the studio. And yeah, so ten years of my childhood
in Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
In Cleveland, yep, did you guys perform anywhere?

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Very rarely? We did. We did showcases around like Gerald LeVert,
he was I wouldn't say he was a part of it,
but he definitely supported and like whenever he had things
would allow us to come and sing, and we recorded
at Trouble, which was his studio in Cleveland on nineties
third and Way Shoutout. But yeah, Joe little like a

(18:03):
lot of those he produced some of my first records
when I was when I was a kid.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Joe was that guy.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Yeah, he's so talented. Man, there's so much in Cleveland,
and these are the guys that I was learning from
and just working with as a kid and in the
studio almost every day.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, that's crazy eight to eighteen yep.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
And then I hated it. I didn't like the way
they hated singing.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
I like, what part about it did you hate?

Speaker 4 (18:31):
But the industry was different back then, you know, like
there was no social media and it was just this
goal to get signed to a major label. You know,
there was really only one sort of trajectory to find
success at that time, and so everything that kind of
went along with it, especially being in a group, because
the group was very much, you know manufactured, like how

(18:54):
most groups were, where everyone kind of had this role
that they played that was kind of predetermined. And since
I'm a kid, like I didn't really know myself enough
to know who I was and how I wanted to
show up. I wasn't writing anything, I wasn't picking out
my clothes. I didn't name the group clearly because I
wouldn't have went with total package, no shape. But I'm
just saying like I just didn't have any creative control

(19:14):
whatsoever and that and so I didn't like that part.
I didn't like feeling like I had to be this
sort of intriloquis dummy to do my art, you know,
carrying out someone else's vision and it's coming out in
my mouth.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Like.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
I didn't like that. So I stopped as soon as
I turned eighteen. I quit the group because I could,
and honestly I tried to before, but they wouldn't let
me leave.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Who wouldn't let you leave?

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Child? Don't get me in trouble.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
You couldn't leave the group.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
No, I tried, And then they tried to sue my family.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
What.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Yeah, I tried to leave. They would not let me
runder contract. It's a little dark, BABEO. We won't go there.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
But having an understanding too though, of what you get
your kids into.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Like this is an important part of this business as
well as far as you know, just even from the
contractual state of you know what you signed off for, Yeah,
what you signed or signed up sign up for or
sign off for either one?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Right.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
I think sometimes people, you know, they see the dream
and maybe not fully see all the things that come
along with that, or you know, have a you know, shit,
we would have to have a crystal ball in a
sense to you know, because people turn to right, we
all know that, like everything seems sweet until you're in it,
and then they're like, oh, well this is how it is.
And since you're in the contract.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
And I've invested so much in you, you can't leave.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
And I was again also the only girl who did
sign the contract, which is why all the other people
were coming and going oh wow. And I had no choice,
Like I was literally forced in some instances to be
a part of this.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
So did you ever think of like at that point,
before you're eighteen, I'm just like, all right, well I'm
just not going to sing it all anymore.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Well that's pretty much where what it came to. And
I did stop, Like even after I got out of
the contract, I was like, I don't want to do
this anymore, because this is all I knew of the
industry to be, was that I had to carry out
someone else's mission and you know, sort of submit to
everyone else and what they wanted for me. And so
I started writing that's that's really well. Actually I went
through a period of just I went to college. I

(21:19):
just didn't Most people who knew me at the time
didn't even really know that I sang or had ambitions
for it, Like I was just going to school, like
I would do talent shows and stuff, but it wasn't
like a true ambition. And then do you guys know
Yanni the producing ya you know I have made I've
made some YouTube videos around that time. I just played
around and he saw it and was like, yo, you're
in Cleveland, Like come and like reference some stuff for us.

(21:42):
We have this this writing camp called the Skeleton crew
Man and like just come reference and I was like,
you know what, and he's like, and well, i'll pay you.
I'm like, don't pay me, just let me write too,
cause I've never been given the opportunity to do that.
Like I've always been carrying out someone else's songs and
singing other people, you know, I'm sorry singing other people's
song and carrying out other people's visions. So he was

(22:04):
like cool. So he just started giving me tracks. And
I was trash at first, but he just believed in
me and just gave me the space. And I was
driving to Cleveland from I went to Kent State at
the time, and I would drive that hour to Yanni's
studio and write and just really work at it. And
I became so passionate about it, and I started falling
in love with it and again and realizing like, Okay,

(22:24):
I can do this if I have control over it,
you know, and get to be creative and take up space.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
You know.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
I fell in love with it, and that was really
the thing that shifted my trajectory again and falling in
love with music again was Yanni. Oh God. The first
one I wrote with Yanni was called oh God. I
don't know. There's so many trash ones. There were so
many no I have And I found like a little

(22:53):
drive the other day that had all those songs, and
I'm like, wow, he really had vision because it was trash.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
I was trash. I listened to my early tracks.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
That processes is real, that process is real, and it's
you know, and it's also a testament to the people
who stay who stay in it right, because nobody's first
song or their first track or you know, the first
thing that they do really sounds good. Ultimately, you know
what I mean, You're trying to get to somewhere. It's

(23:25):
so funny when you see people they're like, yeah, that's
the first song I ever did. I don't really be
believing it depending on how.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
The age well, I mean tanks first stand up, he kneeled,
so I guess it's possible.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
That was definitely luck.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
That was That was also to I think with.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
It might have been his first time going on stage,
but it wasn't his first time kind of preparing his
mind to right, I'm talking about the first time you
put into paper and decide I want to try to
write a song, saying it's your first my first time ever.
I had never written a song before, and I wrote
the greatest level of all.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
No, you didn't absolutely did not write that song, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
So that part, you know, I'll be listening, but I'll
be in my head.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
I'm like, but I love that process. So with figuring
it out and then watching how over time, it got
better and better and better. Like it was, it was therapeutic.
I loved it.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
I love.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
You have this pub deal. Now now you have some freedom.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
And you found your man.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
I did you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
And that's and that's gotta be cool too, and yeah
even in a in a creative space like that's gotta
be really because.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
You definitely married like one of the most talented people
I've ever met.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
I did. I did because you know we worked with him.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Wait when years ago before I want to say, maybe
before y'all even we're married, probably yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Probably, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Devin's so he was like, yeah, that guy's really talented. Yeah,
and he's he doesn't even like to say that he sings,
and it bothers me, like when he goes and talks
about the things that he's done, he rarely acknowledges the
fact that he's also a vocalist and very cool one.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah yeah, like Simpson.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
Yeah yeah, I'll take it. Yeah that's babe.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
So did you guys immediately become a writing and production.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
Team pretty much? Yeah, Like the first time we got
in the session together, and I do remember the name
of the song we did. It was called Cat Got
Your Tongue. It was very nasty, and he was just.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
About, yeah, well that's the cage. Bring it on back,
bring it on back. And sometime they got to get skinned.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Tooche cat. But yeah, he I just thought he was
a writer because he did a co write with me.
But then I discovered all of the layers and any
talents of Devin Johnson and I'm like, yo, I want
to work with you. And he's honestly who inspired me
to want to be an artist, because.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
I was not an artist at this point.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
I was just writing and I had no desire to
be an artist whatsoever. And he's like, you're crazy. He's like,
no one's going to sing these songs like you like,
let's do this, Let's do something. And he inspired me
to start the solo stuff. He's like, you already have
some stuff on YouTube, like let's just keep going from there.
And that was the vision, Like we'll do some I'll

(27:00):
reproduce them. You don't have to like all of the
anxieties that I had around being an artist, like oh,
the control or the label. He's like, nah, we could
do this independent, Like that was always the goal. He's
like we're gonna own this. Let's just do this thing.
Because he had come from being an artist. He was
signed to Motown and he was able to get out
of his deal. So we both had similar experiences and

(27:20):
just kind of switched roles and he's like, I know
it from this perspective, you know it from that perspective.
Let's bring all of our knowledge together and like do
something that hasn't been done and like just really take
advantage of social media. And so he would reproduce the
covers that we would do. We were very strategic about
trying to do songs that didn't have music videos yet
and then we would put them out first and they

(27:42):
would go viral. Like that was the That was the formula.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
So if y'all found a song that was cracking but
they didn't have no video to.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
It, yeah you was the video too, do it.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
And we would play official video and get so it
was Hanna Diamonds came out and he he heard it.
He sent you, we gotta do this right now. So
we hurried up and did it and shot a video
like two days later and put it up and then
had like thirteen million views and like it was on

(28:13):
Rolling Stone, like everything like it was a whole thing.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Did y'all ever get a cease and desist?

Speaker 4 (28:19):
No? No, I mean there are covers and it's YouTube,
and YouTube was still like not what it is now,
like where they can take your things down, but you're still.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Like cutting into the to the market share million in light.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yeah, it was kind of crazy. I mean the video
wasn't the greatest, but it was what I.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Mean, You're just tapping into the to the early connection
of that song and people just wanting to see it
or hear it wherever it is.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Yeah, and they're like, I came in for Rihanna, but
I kind of fuck with it. Yeah, So yeah, that
was the formula to you. Well, I ended up singing
background from for Rihanna, not mainly because of that.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
But I mean, she knew you knew the words your
part last time, you know your damn part. Right.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Here's a Here's a question I have for you. Because
here's a question I have for you because a lot
of times producers get accused of using their their their gifts,
and their their songs to romanticize.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
A woman.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
We get accused of this. They only want to do
a late night session because I'm a girl. How did
he How did he sway you we should do a
late night session cats?

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Absolutely it was me. Yeah, Devin wasn't really interested in me.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
No, it was you.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
You take that shot.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
Sometimes I did and it didn't work. It didn't go
so well. What do you mean he rejected me? He
did the first time.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, I think we should just really focus on I
think we should really focus on the music in the business.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
And it wasn't even bad. I think he was like
talking to someone at the time, and he was just like,
I just want to see He was just so honest,
you know, because she didn't even live in Atlanta. He's like,
I just want to kind of see where it's going,
and didn't go anywhere, and I waited, We'll see how
that plays, just keep being quirky.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Did you break out your crystals on him?

Speaker 4 (30:50):
I didn't. I wasn't super I wasn't there quite yet.
I mean, I guess I was because I was starting
the J and Over thing. But it's almost like the
name chose me, because then I started to sort of
become a lot bit more to those things as time
went on. Like, so, yeah, I didn't. I didn't put
any spells on him. Yet, but yeah I did. It

(31:12):
didn't take long.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Wow, that man be out here producing and mixing and
writing and playing the musical love it.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
I call him the husband because he.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Played really good the Husbandand have you seen the show live?

Speaker 3 (31:31):
No, I went, I went to see the show live.
It's really cool they got They put together a really
dope shoall you guys put together a really really dope
yo you thank you.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Yeah. Storytelling has always been a big passion for both
of us, so just the synergy, it just made sense.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, so let's get to jay Nova. Yeah, let's get there.
And in the first project, your first outing, building, your
first moment, what went into that?

Speaker 3 (31:56):
It's all blue, right.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
The first blue Yes, the first project really just from
the years of doing covers and like mixtapes and things
like that over the years. It took a while. I
think it was twenty eighteen, so literally six years after
we had been working to put out the project. But yeah,
it was we had moved to it to LA in

(32:19):
that time, so like twenty fifteen, we moved to LA
and that's when our minds just started changing and we
started unlearning a lot of things and just kind of
being around more like minded people. LA changed some things
for me and All Blue was like the manifestation of
that change in me, which is why I was saying,
like I think I kind of became Jay Nova like

(32:42):
in that time that I was in LA, like really yeah,
transformed and All Blue was just the embodiment of that
for sure.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
And how do you feel like it was received?

Speaker 4 (32:52):
It was really well received. It debuted number two independently
on the iTunes. Is it really well? Is it really
really well? And I'm really proud of it. That's my baby.
All Blue is probably my favorite project still to this day.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
So for you guys now going into the space of
releasing your own music, can you give us a little
bit of insight of how that went right? Being your
own label process, putting your own money up, like you know,
because everybody yells independent, everybody yells independent or you know
what I should or shouldn't do, but they don't really

(33:30):
know all the things that go into that. Being your
own publicist, your own marketing department, figuring out content. Can
you give us a little bit of insight, you know,
just did you guys put together a budget starting off
or were you just like you know, whatever come in,
were putting toward this.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
Yeah, we were really winging it early on, like I
And it's funny because we went to your fireside chat
at south By Southwest where you were talking about if
you knew what you know now then, like about setting
up a business and like really putting things into place
to really run your stuff like a true business.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
You know.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
I wish that I had known what I knew now
then because we were just kind of winging it, and
we were taking advantage of more non traditional ways to
get visibility. So like the covers for example, or my
comedy for example, which is another thing that Devin sort
of encouraged me to do, like, yo, it's all going
to feed itself because I'm thinking, like, okay, well if

(34:28):
I do comedy, are people going to be able to
take my music seriously? But He's like, not, like it's
a thing, like it's all you. It's authentic. Just keep
showing up, like you know, authentically. And so those were
the things that gave us the visibility, that gave us
this social following for people to just organically want to
tap into the music. But we did do a distribution

(34:48):
deal with the first project, so we went through Empire,
so we had help on that front, so it wasn't
like we were, you know, doing it alone. Yeah, and
Tina had just come on at the time, so yeah,
it was we had help and we had set it
up in a way to where we had already done.
Some of the project was done, the album was done,
the like, everything was ready to go. They were just

(35:10):
there to really just help us handle more of the
administrative things that you were talking about, like the PR
and the marketing. So yeah, though we were independent, we
definitely had that help with the distribution. But yeah, I
think now though I'm more, we're more in a space
of doing things completely independently, you know, like where we're

(35:33):
handling our own budget allocations and marketing and running ads
and more of the business side of things that I
would have loved for us to have done back then,
because then we would have you know, we've all been
ours at the time. But you know, you live, you learn.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
And what was your standout your standout track from this from.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
From the new project? From All Blue Blue? I mean,
I think the most popular one was All Blue, but
my favor for it was Cosmic Loves Into It. Yes,
Cosmic was that purposely done?

Speaker 3 (36:10):
What now for you to find that space in music
for you, right because they have you know, people have
toxic music, people have you know, people have you know,
nasty music, people have cosmic music. You know, I mean, like,
what's that what you sought after? Like, okay, you know
what I want to make my projects and my music

(36:31):
about this. I want to put this into the songs.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Absolutely, that was the intention by this. At this point,
Devin and I were already married, I think three years
when the project came out, and I saw the beauty
of partnership. I saw healthy, a healthy love that I
honestly had never experienced before. And so, like you said,
the narrative in music is this divisive mindset, like especially

(36:56):
hip hop and some R and B. You know right now,
it's not promoting black love. It's just it's very angry.
And I'm like, no, we need to show and we
need to be a light in this industry that doesn't
have much of that. So it was very much intentional
to be to be cosmic, to be a light, to

(37:16):
be high vibrational, like that's that's always been the goal
because it's authentic to who we are, and music there
is like a spell, you know, the things that you
say over and over and over again. Lyrics are like mantras.
And I just didn't want to be responsible for poisoning
anyone with something that is low vibrational or that leads
to their brokenness.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah, that wasn't and also isn't you it is? Yeah,
you know what I mean. I'm not saying that that
isn't you like giving them something that you know, because
there are artists who are just they sign up for
what they sign up for, and they whatever the song is,
like it's a hit record, they gonna sing it.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Yeah, nah, I will say no with the quickness. But
I guess that's the advantage of being able to write
your own stuff right, you know, and not having to
because that's what it would have been for me if
I had continued in that group and stayed, you know,
living under someone else's mission.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
But you also have to decide what you're willing to
live with too, Yeah, because you know, it may be
it may be lucrative to sing this song that's outside
of your existence in a sense, but for you it's like,
I mean, I'd rather live and die with me sure,
And that's a hard decision to make.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
Well, I guess it depends on what you want out
of it. You know, Like my idea of success has
changed over the years, and I am My idea of
success is only doing the things that make me happy.
I don't have to be at a Beyonce level of
visibility for me to feel like I've arrived. I feel
like I've arrived because I have found my tribe and

(38:49):
I'm able to be authentic. That matters so much more
to me than having something that might be universally accepted.
But I'm miserable singing it all the time, Like if
I'm not happy, then what's the point even if I
do have this? You know, from the outside looking in
crazy level of success, like is it really success?

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Listen, the greatest mindset but not normal.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
You don't think now like in this day and age
with all these independent creatives, that that is I think that.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
I think that as I think that, because there's so
much more money and independence, people are willing to do
anything to get the money. Now they haven't like nobody's
zoned in on the Oh, this is me. People have
zoned in on oh, this is where the bag is.
And so that's been the excuse for people doing everything.
But look at my bag, though, people will throw that

(39:40):
out fast, like what kind of.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Things would they? Like, where are they getting this bag from?

Speaker 1 (39:43):
I'm curious, I mean from streaming, I mean from YouTube,
from streaming, from listen, big business, from fortune. Five hundred
companies have bought into the ratchet. You you can get sponsorship,
but the bullshit. Absolutely that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
And see I always looked at it like music wasn't
really the cash cow. Like music, of all the things
that I do, I probably make the least from music
unless it's touring, you know. I think brand deals are
just again like more of the business of what we've
created and not looking cause yeah, that's where the mindset
shift came for me. Like there was a time where
I'm like, oh, I'm an artist, I must be mysterious,

(40:21):
and you know, all these antiquated ideas of what it
is to be an artist and not really understanding where
we're shifting to. And so a lot of people hurt
themselves by still trying to perpetuate that same idea of
what it is to be an artist. And all I'm
only going, you know, I don't need TikTok or social media.
I'm just going to post a couple of times and
do X, Y and Z, and it's like, okay, cool,
you can do that, or you can take the ego

(40:43):
out of it and figure out how to make an
actual business out of what you do. And there are
so many moving parts, and if you were doing anything,
you have to do some things that you don't necessarily love.
And I don't mean like in an integrity sake, I
just mean as far as the work you know, to
get where you have to go, and a lot of
people don't want to do it, which is why a
lot of people end up just signing deals because they

(41:03):
can just be a vessel for someone else's agenda. And
I just I can't do that shit you're.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Preaching now, Yeah, you're preaching them you talk to talk
you can't, Yeah, because what you're saying should be followed.
In my opinion, even if you do decide to do
a deal somewhere, that's fine, but you have to do
the work. You gotta do the work if you really
and truly believe it in your artistry and you want
the world to see it when all these things are

(41:31):
going on and everything that's going on in the world,
posting that one time unless I won't say in case,
but unless that's just you know who you are, and
that's fine, but you can't expect these results to come
from that type of work ethic.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
And you can't just rely on social media either. You
have to build a community and you have to get
their emails, and you have to get their phone numbers,
and you have to not only rely on social media
because social media might not be here one day. It's
about the connection. And for people who are anti social
media and doing all the things that they have to
do to get there. It's like before social media, people

(42:11):
had to go out and do shows and grind, you
know what I mean, Like there was there's always a hustle.
There is always going to be something that you have
to do if you really want to do it. And nowadays,
even with some of my major label peers, like you know,
they still have to do that stuff too, And then
the labels move reactively, so you still got to do
it whether or not you have a label behind you

(42:32):
or not, so you may as well do it. Everything
is changing and now they're literally waiting on you. So
if you if what are you doing it for? So
that's why I asked that question, like what are you
what are you doing it for?

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Yeah, yeah, let's get to the second album.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
Sure stages.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
I love stages.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
Yeah yeah, thank you that.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Uh you were wild for somebody's son again.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
Something that's going on in social media and making a
song out.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Of it, somebody's son.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
I was like, oh somebody's son. Oh God. But yet
that was a I think that was my real introduction
to that project.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Man, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
I was like, she's dope up. Thank you, like really
really good. And and I don't like there's no like
with your projects, like in listening to your projects, like
there's no fall off, there's no saying where where you know,
there's there's not a whole lot behind her, whereas you

(43:45):
consider a major project versus an independent project, like your
project is, your project is competing in fighting for real space.
You know what I'm saying sonically lyrically Like you know
what I'm saying. He's talking about the shows. I haven't
been to show. I want to go. But if he
say it's a show, it's definitely show because he don't.
He don't go to shows.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Yeah, yeah, I bought March too. Maybe you signed my
T shirt? He don't do that, No, I don't.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
So it's got to be a thing. If you got
the Valentine, I was in there away to stay away.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
With all the cool lights. Yeah, they ain't even have
my size in March. You know what all y'all got left?
Is it?

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (44:26):
She's been sending a lot of merch out here. Okay, cool,
give me the two X.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
It's fine.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
It's fine, Taylor, It's fine.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
And what did you learn?

Speaker 1 (44:34):
What or what more did you learn coming from your
first project to your second project that you felt it
was more useful.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
I learned that this really is a business. I don't
even know how much I want to get into what
happened exactly, but it was a very pivotal time for me.
I had started doing radio. Actually, I was hosting a
morning show V one O three in Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Sure it was.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
It was an experience.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Oh yeah, but uh huh.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
I love Reggie such a.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Man.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
He's a good guy man. He took a chance on me,
and you know, it was a It was an interesting
time because I was learning a lot about myself. I
wasn't really prepared for that world quite yet, and balancing
still doing my artistry, Like you have to wake up
at three thirty every day, three thirty camera ready, be there.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Oh yeah, okay, alright.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Three thirty, be there at four ish to prep. And
then I'm prepping with shade room articles like all this
low vibrational stuff. I mean, I get it, I understand,
but it just was so opposite of what I normally
consume and how I move about my day. And then
you know, I have to be there until like noon.

(45:57):
And then I was touring on the weekend and it
was a lot. It was a lot, and I it
was it was meant like my mental health was dwindling.
I was holding on by like like it was. It
was rough so in that my output wasn't as great
as it should have been. It was taking me a

(46:20):
really long time to get the project together, and ultimately,
like Empire and myself decided to part ways, which was
really difficult for me because now I'm out here by myself.
Like I literally found out the day before somebody's son
was supposed to come out that I had already gotten
the song done and the artwork and everything, and They're like, no,

(46:42):
just kind of let me and try with this project.
And then I'm like, okay, cool, I can do this myself.
I figured it out. We spent so much money, we
were doing a tour behind it, invested so much money
and time into it. I ended up leaving the station
because I just couldn't and I didn't have the capacity.
And then the day before we were supposed to go

(47:04):
on tour, the world shut. Now, yeah, it was a
rough time. So I learned that regardless of all these
things going on, that business is still going to operate
as business, whether your mental health is able to keep
up or not. And yeah, it was a really hard lesson,
but we still put out the project independently, like without

(47:26):
anyone else, and a debut number one that time, completely independent. Well,
all the obstacles that we had gone through, and it
was a lot of them, but we still put it
out and it you know, the tour didn't get to happen,
But that time during quarantine allowed me the opportunity to
really just kind of revamp, learn more about myself, you know,

(47:50):
and just be more prepared.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Where were you Where were you doing quarantine?

Speaker 4 (47:53):
In Atlanta? Thank god? Yeah, thank god it was Atlanta.
We had just moved back for the radio show. Actually,
what timing it was perfect time.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
It was in Atlanta, like who's quarantine?

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Ya y'all shut down?

Speaker 1 (48:08):
You shut y'all. We might shut it down, but got down.
I don't know, no nigga name quarantine nigga. Yeah, Nick,
come around here and there it's gonna be up. Nigga.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Tell me I was that house down in Atlanta Strip club?

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Wide open?

Speaker 1 (48:28):
That's actually where I caught COVID. Yeah, almost dyed.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
I don't know, do you do anything?

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Are you able to do anything pivotal like during Quarantine
with this project to to get the noise and the buzz.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Going for it.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
Honestly, I started to shift more into comedy at that
got your I I had got my agent reached out
because SNL reached out, and they asked me to audition,
and they were like, would she audition because I know
she does music? Is this even a passion? We've seen
some of her videos, and I'm like, absolutely, I would.

(49:17):
And it was a very interesting process, especially because it
was during COVID. But yeah, I did the audition. I
auditioned twice and then I made it to test Week
and I made it down to the final eight. People
like I was very close to getting on that particular
season and it didn't end up happening, but I'm actually

(49:39):
grateful that it didn't. It it affirmed me in that Okay,
this is definitely a space that I need to be.
I mean, I knew it, but you know, like it
was it was the conference and I'm like, cool, this
didn't you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, this
is I want to really focus this time on this.
And because it's more self contained, you know, we were

(50:01):
just shooting stuff at home and I created it was
called the Real Divas Series where I was like impersonating
all these different divas Beyonce and Erica and they were
in the house with COVID and it was just.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
So can you go from one to the other just quick?

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Quick? Quick? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Like like or do you need time to like?

Speaker 1 (50:21):
How does that?

Speaker 3 (50:21):
How does that go?

Speaker 4 (50:22):
Oh god, I don't know. I don't I've never had
like a rapid fire. Yeah, we could try, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
I'm just saying, is that how you do it?

Speaker 4 (50:29):
Like?

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Are you?

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (50:29):
I'm not saying you. I mean like you would like to,
but I know I don't have one of them type
of show. Yeah, Nigga dance No, Okay. Even though the
people in the comments be pretty much saying nigga dance,
We're not like that.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
I mean, I do one character at a time. I
do I do one character at a time. But that
was that was the time when I was really honing
in on it and yeah, just building it. And it
supported the music too, because our numbers started going crazy
just from these sketches that we were making, and so
people were then going and listening to the music because
ain't nobody else had Ain't nobody had shit to do,

(51:08):
you know. So it was just that was what was
starting to take more of the focus, was just the
writing and the comedy.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Here's a question, were you monetizing that?

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Oh abso freaking Where.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Did you find it that there were more opportunities during
that time? It's for that content.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Yeah there was. And even in the music side, like
I feel like I did so many virtual shows that
I was getting crazy bad.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
He wouldn't do virtual, he didn't want to do it.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
I was.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
I was singing right in front of no one.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
I was, and.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
I was getting the bread. I was look collecting the checks.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
I did one.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
You didn't like it, I.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Did, but I did it with my band, So that
was the only way I would do it. I was like, man,
I guess somebody gotta be.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
In a room, bro.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
I mean I had my husband, you know, he was
with me doing the stuff.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah, but I was just like like my wife and
my kids just sitting there looking at me like doing it.
I was like, I don't want to do that. And
then my music is like sexual in nature. You know
what I'm saying, Like, yeah, just take my shirt off
by myself.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
That's fun.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Just be like rubbing.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
All on me.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
You could have been myself, you feel it.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
But we did the Wan with the band Donna Keith
Sweat's House, uh Slash Studios Slash h Slash Slash, slash slash.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
It was crazy.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
It was really dum yeah fun, but you know your
comedy was going crazy.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
It was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
That's why I'm like, you got the ultimate trump card
when it comes to stand up. Like dialing into these
these characters is just gold. Like you know, with like
Jamie Fox, you're putting yourself on that kind of level.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
That's the goal. That's the goal. And even in the
show that Jay saw like if the show feels like
a variety show, so we would go in and out
of I mean not necessarily stand up but kind of
sort of just fun moments and I would do the
impersonations and you know, telling a story from beginning to end.
So it was already there. It's just stand up.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Is man.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
It's the same.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
And you actually are going to be You're you're better
prepared for stand up because you already work the stage.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
And you have the cheeto. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
If the jokes don't work, yeah yeah, I will take
my shirt up and.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Sing a minute.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
They would That would have saved you.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
That wouldn't have saved you.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
No, I wasn't there. Thanks, don't make the money from
comedy song.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
It was already.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
I see you when you get back to know I've
been to a gang government. I actually haven't been to
a gang government. And he's funny and I'm his real friend,
like we have I'm like, cheep, that was too far.
We still got to sell someone and b you.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
What do you talk about in your stand up? Like,
just give me an example, Like.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
I really go through like my family life.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
You know what I'm saying, like like like my wife,
my kids.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
You know what I'm saying. I really tell those stories.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
You know what I'm saying. Tell you know, tell some
music stories. You know what I'm saying. I got comedy
that I do from the piano. We got musical songs
that are like, you know what I'm saying, I gotta,
I gotta. I got a song called trash. We're talking
about a woman's almost vagina.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
And it's called track. It's called I'm gonna need some context.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
We still got to sell R and B music a
tripping and that's the conversations that we had.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
But it was in the joke space.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
It worked. I'd be having her mind and he's still
tanks not on R and B stage, So I needless
to say, I cut that joke out of it went
over very well. But we still got records.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
And you don't think you could from from that because
that's only a specific person.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
I have enough jokes to where I didn't need to
take a chance with that one.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
That's fair.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Je's like, you know, let me not. You know women
in here like me, So my trigger, my trigger. So
this nigga told me, all right, so now let's focus.
You have an album out now.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
The great singers want.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
To I can't.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
That's not how no one does. I mean not.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
People do have.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
I don't have the mine is all.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
That was great. But yes, new album Who It Is.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Described this process because it's got to be different from
the first two. You've lived, you've learned, yes, and now
you're talking about where I did and now your period?

Speaker 4 (56:15):
Come on, now, come on, where have I been? It
is a concept album. It's like combining storytelling and contemporary
R and B music. So it's a love language origin story.
It's a journey to self love. So it goes back
to my childhood and my dad has not been very
verbal about love or words of affirmation. He wasn't like,

(56:38):
oh I'm a pretty good my baby girl. That just
wasn't his give. And I'm coming to find out that's
a lot of people from that generation didn't really know
how to verbalize love in that way. But that's kind
of how my love language became words of affirmation because
I didn't get it from him, so I was looking
for it in all these other people. So it goes
on this journey of how I navigated my relationships with
sort of this kind of baseless thing of oh, if

(57:01):
you tell me you love me, or if you tell
me that I'm pretty, then that's enough to make a
relationship work, and not you know action behind it, and
so ultimately I learned how to use words of affirmation
to affirm myself and that's why it becomes this sort
of self love journey. And I have really really amazing
features on this project because I wrote it out like
a script. I wanted it to feel like visuals through sound,

(57:24):
and I wanted the project to be something that you
could immerse yourself in and not have to have a
screen like you know people are we're in the age
of where the visuals. I want the visual syste and
it's like, nah, let the music. Its supposed to be
an audial experience, you know, when we come away from
that so much, and everyone's just kind of distracted by
all the ass you speak of and all the smoke
and mirrors that we've discussed.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
You know, no, I've spoken.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
No, not you speaking of ass.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
You talk about how people you can't.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Somebody for promotions, promotional only for promotional use, but like
you know.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
Just visuals have become such an expectation and I wanted
people to really be able to immerse themselves and hear
the music and feel like they were in my world.
And so yeah, that was the intent. And Wayne Brady
played my dad on it, which is really cool.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I just always heard.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
Leslie Junior played my love interest, he played Miles. Tony
Baker played my boss.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Tony Baker is absolutely I heard him on it. I
was like this, he is so stupid. He'll even be
trying to be funny and he just it's.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
His voice voice. He literally has just one of those
voices that he could say anything.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Yeah, it's a gift either look funnier, sound funny.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
And luckily he just signed and he just sounded. Guy's
a speaking guy. Well he doesn't. He said that he
don't like to say that he is because the people
have a really high expectation for him. If you ever
ate a cookie that wasn't he just don't want that pressure.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
You.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
I don't want that pressure. I just want to be
able to just eat it with no nobody looking.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Just the morsel. You.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
The morsels are so press.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
No, I don't. I just I just did that just now.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
That was really good.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
But I was working much of him he's working on
I watched that food all so yeah, that's dope because
when it came on, I was listening to like the
narration and the.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Story and you did the job and.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
Another vegan. Tabitha Brown plays my favor are vegans? Ken
Dixon another vegan.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
I'm just saying you, I saw, No, I don't know
what he ate.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Are you telling them no?

Speaker 2 (59:50):
I'm just saying I saw can't.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Be a vegan, snitch, bro Listen, First of all, if
you're gonna say I don't want to I don't want
to see.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
You, why can't you?

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
No, you can go to Noble. You can go to Noble.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
They got great, big options and Noble I can attest
to that. Yeah, are you recruiting vegans? Is that going on?

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
That?

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Is that why I'm not a part of this project?

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
You did?

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Not?

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
I did? When you know, No, I did. I reached out.
I wanted you to be in it. You reach out
to who I haven't reached out to?

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Jay, you're not vegan.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
He's like, look, I'm not going there, but yeah, I did.
I wanted you to be on it. I did.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
I won't miss the next one.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
Okay, Yeah, but that's the project and I'll.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Go vegan while I do my part.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
You'll be planting based during the pre I've gone vegan. Okay,
how long that? What's the longest you've done?

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Shoot? I went vegan.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
I was doing vegan for maybe like six seven months,
and then I just and then I went and then
I went, I'm with vegetarian for a while, then pescatarian,
and then and then when I started training, I felt
like I felt like pause. I felt on my body
was crying out for crying out for meat. Pause again.
I just feel like it needed.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
To your body was crying out for me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
No, you can't do that. Once I paus it, okay,
once we got to get out of there. And it's
just like, because I'm training twice a day, so I
felt like I needed that kind of protein.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
I got you pause again.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
So so that was kind of like, but I still
I still dabbling vegan food, raw food, Like I had
had a raw chef that I would call and she
would make dope raw dishes for me and bring them over,
like all of that stuff. Living foods down here before,
No where is that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
It's downtown. We stopped there on the way here. It's
incredible wild living. They figured that ship out. It's amazing.
They have raw burgers.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Why it's all the way downtown, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
It's amazing. It's worth it. It's worth that's where the
vegans go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
No, it's a vegan spot right up here Crossroads.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
And Crossroads is everything and was holly oh they opened up.
They did open up a new local.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
I think it's the Court and Kardashian and.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's Travis Barker Yeprav Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
They full vegan, like even her supplements, all that stuff
all vegan. So they're heavy.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
They could have been on the album.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
They could have you get Travis boy, I know you're
gonna get a next time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
I know. How So, how are you feeling about the
movement of this project?

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
So I'm feeling really great about it, I am. I
think just there's a lot of relatability with that self
love journey and sort of that vulnerability and talking about
therapy and just sort of you know, falling in love
with yourself is something that a lot of people can
relate to. Even the story that I was telling you
with my dad and him not being able to verbalize love.
There have been so many people who've been reaching out

(01:02:46):
and just telling me like yo, like this has inspired
me to go into therapy or just inspire me to
have these conversations, and you know, cause really it's about
accountability too. And like Wayne and I have a duet
on the project that's called Maybe It's Me. It's a
father daughter duet, which I hadn't really heard too much
of in R and V. And everything's usually romantic love
or friendship, but this duet between a father and her

(01:03:08):
daughter just saying, you know, at some point, I can
no longer blame you for the way I show up
in my relationships because you were doing the best that
you could. Now it's up to me to be the
change in myself so that I can show up and
be in more healthy relationships. And so yeah, people were like,
I'm gonna have a conversation with my father, I'm gonna
have a conversation with my mother. And then I released

(01:03:31):
a self love workbook that's sort of a companion to
the album to give people a space to sort of
write their own stories and to kind of like do
their own healing and work. It's got like inner child
activities and self love activities and then just journal prompts
based off of the songs from the project. So I'm
really falling in love and embracing this like healing wellness
space that's sort of organically come from this project.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
Yeah, it's been beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
And that's completly independent.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
It is y what the name of the label, Oh,
let there be Arts art, you know, because we are creators.
Let there be Art and you know it's Devin and
I's company, And we're actually getting ready to launch an
NDIE collective, like an initiative to help empower other independent artists.
So that what we were talking about, right, like creating

(01:04:19):
that blueprint because a lot of people don't know the
business of being an independent artist and they get overwhelmed
by publishing. There's so much money that is out there
that people are not collecting. I'm just saying, there's so
many things that we have learned along the way over
the course of doing these three projects and just sort
of creating a blueprint for people to be able to
focus on the creative and not have to worry about

(01:04:41):
all of the nuances and getting your publishing and getting
your songs registered. Like there are people who are doing
this at a very high level, who are independent artists
who didn't even know that they could how to upload
their music to DSPs. A really good friend of mine, Paige,
is giving someone ten or fifteen percent of their publishing
because they put the music on the DSP and I'm like,

(01:05:04):
you don't got to do that. There's better ways, like
you know, and so just really giving them the tools
and then also creating a wellness initiative. We're starting a
residency down in Atlanta called Spaces where it's gonna feel like,
you know, it's for independent creatives, but it's also going
to be a space where we have speakers coming in
and teaching financial literacy or mental health. You know, we're

(01:05:27):
gonna do yoga and stretching in mindfulness because it's holistic
at the end of the day, because I learned that
when I went through my depression trying to you know,
navigate all these things and not really take care of
myself first. That's important. So to be successful, it has
to be holistic. And so I'm really excited about launching
that through our company Let There Be r and really

(01:05:47):
just giving other independent artists a blueprint because we don't
have it and we don't have to go through the
major label route. They make it so hard. We were
just talking about that too, you know, they make it
hard to figure out how to do it yourself self,
and it shouldn't have to be that hard. It's all
there be giving you the information.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Did you know that when you were in total package
that you would become the total package?

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
Come on, manifestation, I kind of do keep becoming.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
The name you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
I'm telling you like you're You're everything.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
Thank you, thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Ah he go, he go, here, he go, he go?

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
What you got, Jade Nova.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Somewhere amongst the stars and the quasars.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
And all the cool ship and all the cool.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Shit, there are some songs that mean a whole lot
to you. We'd like to know what these.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Songs are, these other worldly songs.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
From your third eye? Do people want to know your
top five? Your top five? Wait, top five?

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Your top five.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
On the singers?

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
What else?

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Althy songs? Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
Yeah, we wanna do?

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
You got to show what will do? Be doude when
you let us know? Yes, your.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
Five that was really something? So what you want?

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Here?

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Here we go?

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Tell your top five R and B singers.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
Wow, I'm not good at favorites, but I will tell
you five people.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
That's fine that I love. That's fine in R and B.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
Stevie Wonder is my ultimate and I can say that's
number one without a doubt Stevie Wonder is what are
we talking about? He's Stevie Wonder.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Hmmm.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
Whitney Houston.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Levels you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
Oh, Brandy, Okay, Oh, this is getting hard because there's
a bunch more that I want to name, and now
I don't know how to consolidate.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
She's going fast? Can I do like to if I said,
just go fast?

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
Okay? Tony Bryson.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
To Mia is so cold. She does not get the respect.
She is so called.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
Tama is one. She is a huge inspiration.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
She is a flat footed, standalone sanger. Don't need nothing else.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
Jesus Christ, Tamiya is?

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
I gotta say Beyonce.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
To could not you better? Of course?

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
I think that was seven.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
I know you're gonna say that on you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Okay, you're gonna stop there? I mean there, I asked,
I did ask the question. I'm gonna stop there.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
I feel I feel good. I feel good about.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Your top five R and B songs.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
Mm hmm. Overjoyed TV.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
I'm gonna build your castle love.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
This is hard. Oh my god. I should have been
prepared for this. This is Can y'all edit this so
it could be a lot quicker we need all this jeez.
Oh my gosh, RM songs to me, you put a
move on my heart.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
That's up there for me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
That song.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
Every time it does something.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
She sang.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
God this way before the two way before pitch correction.

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
Yea. To me, it's incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
So I had to say that she sang it correctly. Yes, ooh, y'all,
Oh my god, you're gonna make me go pull that
song up and do it in the car. You should
as soon as I leave.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
Q's juke Joint was an incredible project. Incredible, and then
obviously her first album was incredible as well. Oh R
and B songs. Okay, so we got Stevie, we got Tamiya.
I'm just gonna try and pick one from each of
the people that I said to just make things easier.
So Brandy, I really love say You Will by Brandy.

(01:11:49):
I know that's like a wild card, but I really
love that. I really love that song. See Tony, there's
so many Tony songs. I mean, unbreak my Heart?

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Why not?

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
Why not? Why who do we have? Beyonce? Ooh, I
love the lot B Day, that whole project. I'm just
can I just do that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
You can't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
You can't bed.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
B day, Oh Destiny's Child, Desney Fulfield has some crazy
projects and some crazy songs on there too. I'm not
doing a good job, twelter. Oh my goodness, I think

(01:12:38):
have I not?

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
All right, let's do your vultry. This is where you
build your super R and B artists. All right, So
we're gonna see who you're gonna get the vocal from,
the performance style, the styling, the heart of the artist,
and who's going to write for these artists? You songwriter?
Here we go. Who are you going to get the
vocal from to build your super R and B artist?

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
One vocal Whitney Houston. Yeah, because she is. She's Whitney Houston.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
She's the guy's ballads all time. It's it's temple, It's
up temples all time. It's it's whatever you want.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
It's whatever you want, It's whatever you want. Okay, Yep,
we're gonna go when hestay. I'm grappling with her or
Beyonce for a reason.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
I think because Beyonce can rap.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
Beyonce can do anything. M mm hmm. Beyonce Houston. Whitney
knows Whitney nos yeah, ship Yeah, there's something about them
as one. I mean, honestly, Whitney Houston can sing whatever
to she. She gave us Queen of the Knight, and

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she she has rained.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
I feel like if whatever the time would have required
of Whitney.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
Houston, she could have delivered. So, in all fairness, either
one of them interchangeably just depending on what we've just
seen the progression.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Because Beyonce is the evolution.

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
Of Whitney Hughes absolutely that versatility that both of them have,
that's incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, So Winnie knows performance style on stage,
I'm gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
Have to go with hmm. I might have to go
with do Cat. Oh, we might have to go with
do Ca.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
I was.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
Have you looked at some of the clips from her
Coachella performer.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
She is.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
She allows the people and it's clear she allows the
band to do what they need to do. She allows
the creative director to do what they need to do,
and she clearly studies and rehearses and puts on a
good ass show. She is very talented, fire, She is incredible.
I'm gonna have to go performance styling Rihanna. There's nobody cooler.

(01:15:00):
There's nobody cooler. Rihanna's building something right now, you know
what I'm saying, building something, playing Lego.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Selling one hundred million represent the heart, the passion of
the artists.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
Oh, the passion. Hm hmm. I'm gonna have to go
with Jay Nova.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
Yeah, come on, come on.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Because you fighting for this space. Yeah, it's all on
your own. Yeah, all out my account.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
She got the passion.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
I'm not playing out here.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
Yeah, she's been doing this. She was a little baby,
been doing this.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
I was signed since I was eight. I was under
contract under Michael Michael saying this song.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
Michael, that's really good. A man of many gifts.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
You Yeah, your passion is real, Your passion is real.
Who's writing for this artist?

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
Oh Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder, Stevie Wonder. I think that
might be a cop out, though, Okay, we'll get deep there,
because now I feel like I've created a very modern artist.
So perhaps m hm hm. Frank Ocean hmmm, I'm interested.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
I'm interested as well.

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
I'm interested to see what that looks like. H yeah, yeah,
because Frank Ocean to me, has Stevie Wonder isms in
the way he paints a pke. Sure, he's yeahreak my curiosity.
This is a very interesting artist. Curate.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
I mean, the artist is not interesting, the artist is
a monster, But choosing Frank to write is interesting. I
want to hear that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
I want to hear it. I want to hear it intrigued.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Because it's going to have it's going to have it's
going to have a different type of depth to it.
It's not like a it's not a commercial thing. It's
truly art. It's like, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
Yeah, I think it's going to be interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Like you like.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
That's how you build a cult, a cult following with
that type of material.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Okay, all right, yeah, oh yeah, we've come to that time.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
What's happening now, cul shit.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
I ain't saying no hey, I ain't saying no names.
I ain't saying no names. I ain't saying no nig.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Was what you did? Don't say she and I say
no name?

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
What does it all mean?

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
So we've come to that point, very special segment of
the show. Will you tell us the story? Funny or
fucked up? Are funny and fucked up? The only rule
to the game. You can't say no names? Come on,
come on, give us some good come on, come on
straight from pleav In, Ohio by way of Atlanta, Georgia.

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
Period what oh, oh god, funny or fucked up? I
mean I kind of already said one of them, well too, guys, okay,

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kind of fucked up, really fucked up. Actually a very
dope producer who wanted to work. Yeah, kind of back
to what you were speaking on earlier. Yeah, Oh, I
just really wanted to work. And I was really excited
because this producer is very dope and very relevant and

(01:19:36):
he sent me a d M and I'm like, great,
let's work. Here's my husband's information. He's my partner. We're
gonna like collaborate or whatever. And then.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
This had to do nothing with no husbands.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
He went ghost and I was really disappointed. I was
really disappointed. But yeah, and it wasn't me trying to
like even put it just this is the way I work,
Like he's my business partner, so like that, it just
was what it was. And yeah, I never heard from
him again.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
That's probably for the best.

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
Yeah, definitely for the best.

Speaker 6 (01:20:12):
I mean, he wanted to work, but he didn't want
to work.

Speaker 4 (01:20:23):
So I'm with you on some of your your your
women friends who say that that's an interesting thing to navigate,
and I've the conversations that I have had are wild,
and so I think that I lost my ability to
have that whatever that thing is, to be a single
woman in this industry, because I've heard that it don't

(01:20:45):
even matter. There's a lot of opportunities that I feel
like are not given because people's intentions.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Are because you're not allowing certain access.

Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
Exactly so, but like you said, it's for the better
because then you're weading out the bullshit it well, and it's.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
For you, like your your path and how you want
to go about this thing. It's just set a certain
way and everything to go alongs with, even just how
you create your music. It just doesn't it doesn't warrant
that like yours is just different. So I commend you
on your path, commend you relations however you go about

(01:21:22):
getting your business done.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
You know, God bless you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
I have no judgment at all, but I commend you
on how you've gone about gone about your business is
very admirable, very respectable, and as Jay says, should be studied,
it should.

Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
Be I want to hear these stories, y'all do the
song again and then y'all tell.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Me you're in the hot seat, so we're going to
keep it on you. Jay, You're super dope. We first
of all appreciate you coming because we know you know
your time is real money. Your time is your money.
It ain't nobody else there is your money, and we

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appreciate you being here. We are, we are one hundred
percent and support you. That is why you are here,
so that we can celebrate you and let people know
who and what you are. And this is always available
to you. Always.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Thank you, And.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
I'm so proud and inspired at what you both have
built here, like it's so necessary and I love that
y'all highlight independent artists as well artists from all walks
of life, like this is some really dope. I mean,
you know this is dope ship that you've built. Now
you've got a tour popping from it, like you're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
I'm not going to do this. You're not going to.

Speaker 4 (01:22:37):
You're going to chain about it, all your plaque about it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
You're not gonna do that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
That's incredible about you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
But I'm saying like it's I'm grateful, like the give
back because you'll are legends and it's and it's it's
crazy awesome. I'm honored.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
And this is the R and B Money popocast, the.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Authority on all things, all things, all things R and B.
Fight for yourself because that's what this young lady does.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Jadanovan that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
R and B Money.

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