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Speaker 1 (00:01):
R and B Money.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
We are.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Thank you Tavaloti. We are the authorities on all things
R and B.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
What's going on, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
I am Tank Valentine and this is the R and
B Money podcast. The authority, what authority when they go
to the high boys on all things, all things R
and B in the building today, We.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Got in the building to day.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
This is a real family member, this is our real
little brother.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
Really taps in with the army.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Really taps in with the R and B nuances. He's
a finisher. He's a super producer, super super producer. Also
and our taste.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
Are very few people that are who's sensitive about that.
She's sensitive about this.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Ladies and gentlemen, our little brother in the building, give
it up a sign.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
Salt stand.

Speaker 5 (01:19):
Away from yours and your well you know, he lord,
I see with mother the only right that Yeah, come
R n B sexy five.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Sexy sexy bose all blood and glasses. J Allentine, No no.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
No, no, no, no, no no dying.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I'm like, no, yeah, niggas come on back.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Really is back on end. First of all, man, thank
you brother for pulling up. Man. This is a necessity,
you know it wasn't a matter of if, just a
matter of win.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
We get the we get the bro hamd.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
What I tried to do was to not be too thirsty.
Right as soon as I seen it, it was like
it was like coach calm down, got to get Jamie
out the way over everywhere?

Speaker 1 (02:27):
So what you think you think next week? Like what
you thinking?

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Like, tell me exactly the time, the time framet I
have to reel it back. And I'd be so thirsty
let it happen and shout out to my sister who
you know. She saw a couple of guests and was like, Okay,
it's time now. They didn't told you they didn't. She's
telling me who owned a got Eric been on there,
I've seen him make on It's time. It's not that
you call yet, and then sent me pages of talking

(02:57):
points shout out today.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Not playing what not playing with the hand?

Speaker 3 (03:06):
I rock with that.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
She held me down. She's a huge fan of the podcast. Huge.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
What's her favorite episode?

Speaker 4 (03:12):
I think her favorite is Steve Mackie nice, you know
what I'm saying. I think she just loved the insight,
you know what I'm saying, and great episode. Yeah, yeah,
but with you brothers. Man, I got to give y'all brothers,
y'all flowers to first because being an LA transplant. You
know what I'm saying, It's all about choosing your friends wisely.

(03:33):
And the divine brotherhood counsel that has come from both
of y'all down through the years has been clutch. You
know what I'm saying, because historically I've been a wild cowboy,
you know what I'm saying, and sometimes sometimes unassuming, but
a wild cowboy. And especially when I think about my
brother Jay Man, the man didn't talk me off the

(03:55):
ledge so many times.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Man.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
And then when I think about and Rique Dragon Perio,
when I wanted to get out there as an artist,
the encouragement to let it fly, let it fly, let.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
It fly, man, you know, the dragon uninhibited.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Man. They got a new show about you now, No.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
House of Dragons. You're just too early. I may or
may not be a ghost writer on that show. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Many take your fit.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
They got black dragons, black Man, Negro dragons. Yeah, but no,
I just wanted to put that on record and just
said that I appreciate you brothers man, because man, you know,
even y'all showing up to the wind thank you singing,
and man, I could go on all day, you know.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
To sing I was thinking about, like trying to figure
out some type of invoice for for what I ended
up having to do. You had to wing it. We
had some technical difficulty. It was technical difficult. People didn't
show up. Man, it was like, so where's the DJ?
What DJ chords was missing?

Speaker 4 (05:00):
DJ is supposed to pay this.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Do you think you can?

Speaker 3 (05:03):
You know what? For my brother?

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I absolutely can? What's the going out song? Oh? You
don't have them?

Speaker 4 (05:09):
All? Right? Cool?

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Give me the microphone again.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Do the thing.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
We'll figure it out. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
I had to usher the people into you know that
was did you usher? But then you gave them a
few bars walking in? Which was always in Chicago. You
know what I'm saying, people walking back, I feel like
you gave Jeff a few bars and snacks, snacks and snacks.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Don't nobody singing snacks but me?

Speaker 3 (05:34):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Yo. And it's so funny because listening to my family
prepared to come to La for the first time, right,
it's a lot of Panamanians that came to Los Angeles
for the first time, and they're like, you know, we
have to get ready to dress like potato salad because
this is our real celebrity wedding. Midcle, we're coming and
this is our real celebrity wedding. We're ready. So it's

(05:57):
just like, God, I gotta dress like, oh yeah, you
know that's like that's Panamanian slang right there.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Man, what does that mean? I mean you fly if
you dress like potato salad. Oh man, you got.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Potato salad.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
We wouldn't come dressed like for the saladdle. I'm like, okay,
I'm to use that.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
You know.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Let your on that stage, potato say what you.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Have on it?

Speaker 3 (06:26):
You know I had that potato salad I had with
the freshly cut harborlled eggs on top of the little
paper Rika had. You see where you're gonna go with?
You gonna turn into a full song? All right, man,
you're family to us. But that's not how we rock.

(06:48):
We want to We want to dig into the beginning
of of coat sign.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
We want to dig into the beginning of modicles.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
The beginning of the modicle.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
The beginning like.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Where was the day and time where you either made
the decision that this is what I want to do,
or somebody told you, hey, this is what you should
be doing.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
And and to add to that, to give you some
more talking talking space, what was your influence to even
get to that?

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Dang, man, I got to say the influence. Man, I
got made fun of for this, bro. I got made
fun of in high school for this, man, I mean,
you know in college. Uh well, first, it's all credit
to my mom, the late better Lie Celestine Johnson.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
You know what I'm saying, Yeah, my mom.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Oh man, man, we definitely Mom's held it down for real.
Single black mother, west Side of Chicago, Maywood, brob you
to be specific, originally from panama And I mayn't play
no games. You know what I'm not gonna do is

(08:07):
lose my son to gang violence. I won't raise a
disrespectful child. And she just really instilled education and practice.
Those were like cornerstones. So so was she a musician?
Wasn't a musician? My grandfather used to sing solos in church.

(08:30):
You know, Pops, he's originally from Jamaica, we call him.
But it was just like the way I can I
can protect my child is to always keep him busy
so it was saxophone, it was piano, it was baseball, basketball,
it was right, which is Panamanian dance class. On the weekend,

(08:58):
they have Panamanian dance class in Chicago. What look. The
name of the club was called My Peck Right. And
I used to be I have to be in parades
like I used to be like mom, momy, you're gonna
they're gonna beat me up.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
They're gonna beat you up if I'm doing Like so
you was doing Carnival in Chicago.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
What you hear that music? Come on fifth and behind
your back you got some bread on the shot? Yeah, what,
I'm so excited? What you want to do? They want
to go? You want to go party?

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Right now?

Speaker 4 (09:36):
It was a little club called the Fuego. I know
what that means. It's on fire. And I remember being
at them parties, man, and it might be like twelve
one am and the kids section we already did our dad.
So now we're just on the side, sleep tied and

(09:59):
it's just some real your sousling going on. You know
what I'm saying. And you see pants with the sides opening.

Speaker 6 (10:05):
Me and.

Speaker 3 (10:09):

Speaker 4 (10:09):
It just like heah, bro so She really was big
on the culture. You will know about your Panamanian roots
and be well rounded as well. In eighth grade, I
started playing the drums at church. I was the third
string drummer. You know what I'm saying. So they have
you got like sports, Yeah, absolutely, you know what I'm saying.

(10:32):
And really you was the backup, backup drummer, like thirsteon quarterback.
So you got the sanctuary choir. Then you choiet and
then when the kids choir come up, coach and be like,
all these blessings come from God.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
It's either it's either it's either the junior choir or
before before the praising worship was a big thing as
it is right now.

Speaker 4 (10:59):

Speaker 3 (11:00):
You would do like the beginning of service.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
You know what I'm saying. That's what the third string
guy was.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
But one service started getting serious, then the guys would
get lets scut you off.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Everybody here, Okay, buddy, come on, buddy, come on now.
The best part was when the lead drummer uh, and
the second drumming is And this only happened a few times,
and the lead drummers second, they ain't there. So now baby,
you get to play for the for the big choir,
the whole sir beating loud, off beating loud. You see

(11:32):
the choir director. Just this, I'm trying to find it.
The eighth grade. Eighth grade is eighth grade. I'm thirteen
thirteen in this time. I was nice in eighth grade
and so yeah, I'm playing sacks, I'm playing drums, I'm
playing keys. And then high school was like all of
them kind of coming together. I was I was rapping.

(11:54):
I was in an R and B group and we
had no lead singer.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
What y'all say, unison, I think the group.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
Probably only lasts about ninety days, okay, because there was
one guy that just every week was just selling wolf
tickets is what we call them. And it's like, yeah,
we're gonna be shooting a video and we gotta we
gotta auditions for the video. Girls coming.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
He was in the group where he was the man
in the group and oh but he was managing too
though he was selling the wolf tickets.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
Yeah, selling us the wolf tickets. None of the things
that he ever talked about ever came to in the.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Group selling the wolf tickets, and it was just another niggass,
just like everybody.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
He in the group and kind of and kind of
is claiming lead singer. But I can't give him that
because you can't sing. None of us, none of us
get really, you know, I'm trying to be noticey. I'm
trying to be you know, coach Svante in the group,
you know what I'm saying, producer, yeah, in the back.
And so yeah, I was a disaster, but it was
shots up. All of this stuff was just getting shots up.

(12:57):
I went to a Catholic all boy high school, same
school Isaiah Thomas went to Saint Joe's Evan Turner as well,
and man I played in the Lassalian Instrumentalist. I wanted
to Louis b. Armstrong Jazz Award. So I was cutting up.
Man I was playing at youth services, starting to get
a little.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
All for you, just being a purist in terms of
just being a musician and just loving it and just
doing the music.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
I'm having a good time. What I noticed was rapping.
I wasn't a huge fan of the attention because Chicago,
they will fry you. The jokes that my friends have
were so lethough that getting on that stage and the
spotlight was a little hot. So it's like, how can
I be close to it, but not all the way
in producer. And when I saw that, that made me

(13:46):
just want to just know all of the different aspects
about music, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
And so was your mother your first investor obviously as
a being a producer was for sure got to have equipment.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
My mama bought that PM for keyboard TV. Yeah, so
for the keyboard. Uh, I kind of just gott to
just leave that off high. I got my first keyboard.
That ain't nobody business.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Uh what I tell us?

Speaker 4 (14:17):
You know what happened.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
You know what I'm saying that you have to sell.
You have to sell something.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
I had to sell nothing, but you know, I just
laid something down to get it. I just had to
get a creative right to get that. You had to
seven to Yeah, yeah, two thousand and one. Asked for
your shirt? See your shirt? You did something for p

(14:44):
Yeah multi, did you get the wait? I got the seven?
I got the seven. But it was crazy because I
remember my mom being like, Michael, how did you get that?
And I had to tell one of my homies to
say that he bought it for me. You know what
I'm saying, like, look at my mama, because I I
was like, I was one of the guys in the
group was a producer, and so I told mom. I

(15:05):
was like, he got a deal, and because I've been
spending that time in the studio with him, he just
got me my own keyboard. So she was like, oh my, really, Michael,
I have to I have to at least call him
so I can say thank you. So I had to
finesse call him and say, hey, act like you got
me to. Hey, I'm about to call you and say thanks,
you know, for the keyboard.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
This time.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
This is senior year in high school, seventeen, seventeen eighteen, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Senior year in high school.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Little what did you do? Man?

Speaker 4 (15:34):
I can't talk about it.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
I mean the Statute of limitations is probably over probably
over here. Yeah, you grown up, go to jail for
some of you did in high school in high school.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
But but I gave back though, this is what I did.
He stole it. I gave back to the organization organization.
I gave back to the organization that he.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Took him from the Boys and Girls club.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
You wow, he stole the church. It's still the churches.
Keyboard definitely went not the church.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
But you say was an organization it was.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
It was it was something I'm not because it's funny
because I was talking to somebody and I was thinking
about that, like, well, how did that? And I was like,
oh my god, that was the one time in my
life where I got active. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
I had to have it.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
I had to And and so I think about how
sometimes in the past I've been judging on how people
get to it, not really putting that mirror on myself
and really looking at my story through a fine tooth comb,
like you had to do some hustling too, sir.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
And I was like, all right, cool, I got to relax. Yes,
you kind of poked a hole in the kind of.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
He's gonna he's gonna do that throughout throughout the whole pod.
Just pay yourself.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
This is before before he gonna shank you with.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Everybody.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
This is before we started getting uh, start getting moist.
It's slippery.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
So you start making your first tracks on that motif.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Yeah, And then I got an MPC two thousand right
after from a mentor of mind, got by the name
of the Sick One.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
And it's funny too, because I just knew he was
gonna give it to me. You got a four thousand.
I was just like the two thousand mind and he
was like, no, it's a thousand. And I was like, sir, please,
He's like nah. So that's when I started shout out
to Qubilla Man as a guy west side q Billa Man.
He bought my first track. He bought three of them
for two hundred dollars, six hundred dollars. I think my

(17:45):
mama might have gave me the other fuck. You know
what I'm saying. I sold three beats for two hundred
dollars to q Billa and Man. The rest was hit
once that NPC and that motif was together in that basement.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Oh so listen before we before you can go any further,
we have to take a shot. We're gonna take a shot,
and this shot is to not disappointing the investors. Your mama,
your mama, my daddy, h this is this my listen,
my og Bill Haney, father of Devin Haney, world champion.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
This is his saying, do not disappoint the investors. Wow,
straight up, Wow, this is why we're here. This is
why we're here. We did not disappoint the investors.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Wow, your mama gave you that extra foe man, the
extra foe like I used to drive my mama crazy, yoh,
like I would be as an only child.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
I'd be in my room. I remember one time I
got out the shower and I was supposed to put
my clothes on and come outside to my family was
in the living room. But it was like, ain't nothing
stopping me from going to the NBA, And I had
a little rim in my room.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
You just talked about a whole bunch of instruments and
playing instruments, and now you're jumping out mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
What was like? So I was on my all star
team and they all started elementary school and so so
at that young age, I remember that. I never forget
that day. I came out the shower and said, I'm
going to leave, threw my towel off, and started training.
But ass necking in my room. Assholeckd up sitting there

(19:32):
going to funk off. And my cousin walked in the room.
Somebody my cousin, and I remember seeing her.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Like.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
My cousin Jazzy. I remember seeing her and I just
instantly started tearing up because I knew she was gonna
tell and I saw her I was like, no, no, no.

Speaker 7 (19:58):
She was like, you playing basketball at Buzzy Pearl, Marcus
is my family? Call me Marcus, Marcus.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
In here playing basketball. Next I'm like, oh, oh please,
no to get so distracted and get engulf you know
what I'm saying, get distracted from getting golf.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Man, that's worse than leon and above the realm playing
basketball without a ball.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Bro, the only child, the only child. Life is so
crazy because you're so lonely. Bro, You're so lonely, You're
so in your head, and it's like you create this
world of just like being by yourself, you know what
I'm saying. And you got your.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Imaginary friends and the reasoning you know what I'm saying,
were your imaginary friends that you were hooping?

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Were their naked to Hey?

Speaker 3 (21:03):
They were? They were? They were?

Speaker 4 (21:13):
And then so my mom would hear me doing god
those what in the room and shut it down. And
that's when practice being because she'd just be like, manicall
sit when the last time you practiced piano, you'd jumping around.
And we lived in the apartment, so you would have
people that would call the police and do all kind
of wild shit because they heard And then I'll you know,
pick up piano or saxophone and next thing, you know,

(21:36):
nigga two three hours to go by, and I wouldn't
even really think about it. And she was a head
nurse of a dialysis unity at Loyola Hospital and she
would do her schedule. She always had to do that
weekly schedule, so that was a good time for her
to zone out and knock out the schedule for everybody practicing,
you know what I'm saying. And then the Disney movies

(21:57):
came out, so I always had the play alongs to
all the movie So Steve Mackey was talking about doing
the Disney movies, I was like, why can I relate?
I don't want to have to be able to relate
to this. But I remember I had my horn like
do do do do? Just like what I said. That

(22:21):
was the early years and her favorite uh well, one
of her favorite musicians was Kenny G. So I'm in
the in the crib that was my style. Women love
Kenny G. I love Kenny Kenny G. John B.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
And what's the name Michael Bolton.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
And Michael Bowen, Yes, and Michael Bolton love that Michael both.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
So when I got to FAM you and there's sixty
Freshmanel McDonald's don't leave you. We will not leave out
my dald. That's a very soap. Oh my god, he

(23:10):
was cold. He was cold in real life.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Oh my god, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
So I was in a program called Upward Bound and
that was the college prep local program at the community college,
Triton College. That was for the poor, smart kids, right.
And because my mama made too much money for me

(23:43):
to be in the program, I never got stipends. They
used to get stipends every week. But my cousin, she
was in the program and she her people, my uncle,
they get put in a good word. It threw me
in there. It's just like you can be here, but
you can't get paid. Mama be cooking saying. And we
used to do college tours all around. So I've seen Duke,

(24:05):
and I really wanted to go to Duke for a second.
Till I got there, it was like, oh, y'all, tighten ass.
I love a basketball team, y'all love tighten ass. For
what I'm looking for coming from Saint Joe's, which is
like Catholic all boy, you know, like turn up.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
I need it.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
I need to be dipped in black again. You know
what I'm saying. I went to black from preschool to
eighth grade, and then my high school is pretty diverse.
But then there's like I need black again and so
and and I know I needed music too, And you're like, well,
you're talking about the best black band in the country.
You're talking about FAM. You are you sure that's the
best black thing Ahead kicked that off? Not because even

(24:44):
they don't want to smoke.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
I'm just asking. No, I'm just I'm just asking.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
I mean because Kendrick Human Jukeac No, I mean, they're cute.
They're cute. You know what I'm saying, Hey, Sonic Boom
or something like that. All right, and look they're dancer
girls who Christine. Hey, But when it comes to talk
to top sound talk to top. You know what I'm saying,
it's the March one hundred and so y'all. They made

(25:09):
the movie off of of course, and our band would
have been in the movie, but they wrote in the
script that we lose and we don't lose, so fuck
that movie. You know what I'm saying, Wow, yeah, fuck
that drum line what not in real life. But that's
how our band director felt. You know what, I'm saying,
we don't lose, we don't lose that script.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
So they changed you're not gonna create that. No, no,
that you're not telling people that. No, that's not the
energy that you're gonna put out about us.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
And that. Then they rewrote it and made it a tie,
and it was like all y'all think it's a game,
and me being I'm like, god, I want to be
the movie so bad, like band director, please when you're in.
When I was there, and there were a lot of
players from our band. That's a couple of one offs
that they use, like the sticks. The actual Nick Cannon
Hands in the band was one of our drummers at FAM.

(25:58):
His hands was one of the so there's still were
and then I think they ended up using Southwest of
cal But their band director is from FAM. You you
know what I'm saying. Saxophone player too. So yeah, it
was it was deep. It was really deep, and I
really was happening. You talking about two thousand and one.
So band is damn near gangs?

Speaker 6 (26:17):
What?

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Yeah, and there's gangs inside of every section too. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely,
you know what I'm saying. So of course you got
the white T shirt on crab, you know. And on
top of being a crab, I was the weakest link
out of sixty freshman saxophone players. And I'm just like, oh,

(26:38):
so y'all didn't play football and basketball and had girlfriends
and just played instruments. Y'all just really was about that.
So that's where I learned about even practicing, Like coach,
you don't practice for I didn't even I didn't even
get a scholarship the first semester. My scholarship didn't happen
until the second semester, so I really had to get
my shit together. But it was a culture show for

(27:00):
me because I just was the man at home. But
then I get to FAM and these guys are playing
Flight of the Bumblebee. We're at, We're my at, and
I'm there's Nicki minaj Anakonda does not happen without fan

(27:23):
bumbum that yeah, yeah you're still poor, but yeah we're
still we're still poor. But that was a that was
a forward flash of how that happens. Because I learned
about arrangement. I learned about blend, you know what I'm saying.

(27:44):
I learned so much musicality just being there, being in
the jazz man being in a symphonic band, you know
what I'm saying, having a teacher say, yeah, you're playing saxophone,
but I wanted to hit me like a French horn,
you know.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
So that's a different mouthpiece, that's a different army. Sure,
it's the real training. I'm taking class piano, I'm taking voice,
I'm taking brass techniques. I was a music education major
while I was at FAM. Took four semesters of theory
with doctor horn. So this is like damn near music
rocket science. Yeah, and it's the best shit ever. And

(28:21):
after my sophomore year, my mom gets diagnosed with cancer.
After my freshman year, my mom gets diagnosed with cancer.
After my sophomore year, my mom passes away from cancer.
And that's when I moved back to Chicago from Tallahassee.
And that was just such a crazy time because I

(28:42):
never really wanted to go to college like that. College
wasn't really my twist. I wanted to be rock star,
you know what I'm saying, or go to the league,
or definitely not school. But that was my mom's first
and last wish, she said, marcos Modico, my job as
a parent is done. When you graduate college. And even
though I won't be there with you in the physical modicle,

(29:05):
please this on her deathbed. These are last words. So
I registered for Columbia College Chicago September ninth, and my
mom passed away September tenth, and I remember reading her
my schedule and then that's how I know. She was like,
all right, cool, he's registered for school. He going to school.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
I'm out.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
And three years later, I'm in my counselor's office and
I'm like, I cannot believe I'm about to graduate. I
can't believe it. And she was like yeah, and it's
crazy with you know, with this year being on Mother's Day.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Wow, this is three YEARSA was on Mother's Day. Three
years later.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
I walked out the office, walked to the President's office
for the first time in three years of being at Columbia.
See the lady there, I said, ma'am, he hate speak
to the president. She said, the president's book through the summer.
I said, well, you're about to watch me sleep on
the floor in this office until I to talk to him.
And she had a headset off. Hispanic lady. I remember
her taking her head set off, like what you're not

(30:07):
gonna do is sleep in the office. How can I
help you? And I told her everything, and she just
so happened to be a single mother. Hispanic overstood where
I was coming from, and I said, I need to speak.
I need to say something a graduation. I know I'm
not the valedictorian. She cried her eyes out, asked me

(30:29):
to leave, made some calls. To this day, I'm the
only person to speak at Columbia College graduation not be
the valedictorian. I dedicated that degree to my mama. That
was my first Grammy. Come on, man, come on, my
first Grammy. Oh he's still floss in two. That's my
first Grammy. Yeah, yeah, it's not a floss.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
I never want to Grammy.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
I got nine nominations.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Oh not one.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Yeah, I got nine nominations.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
I got nine nominations and a win. People, Jennifer Hudson won. Therefore,
album you did? You did? R and B Album of
the Year. Sure, we goddamn Grammy in I'll show you
the certificate. I could show you my driver's license to
the hate on they hate it was hating. Change now
though they changed the rule now so now R and

(31:18):
B album can get if you are. If you are
a part of it, you can that should be retroactive.
Should that should be retroactive. Make the call, you know,
I am make the call. You could go right there
next to the R and B money thing.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
Until then you're respected.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
That's what you do. Cool Jay, at least.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
That's crazy. I went through college, I graduated. I dedicated
that degree to my mama. You know what I'm saying, Like,
now I'm making mixtapes in the basement with hood hood brothers.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
You graduate and now you're doing street music for paperbag money, look.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
And teaching too.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Teach.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
So the head of my department, I brought him three contracts.
One was to I think Red Zone read something might
be like tricking them in that line. The other one
was Barry Hankerson. I forget who the other one was,
but I brought them all three contracts. Right, I still
had that basketball mentality, like, all right, it's time for
me to go to the NBA. And he was like
he kind of saw the thirst on me a little

(32:24):
bit and was like, Coach, don't feel like you got
to run to LA right away. If you want to
stay home and get your stuff together, you know, get
your house in order. You can do that, you know,
and if you want, you can teach here. I was like,
teach what he said. I've never had a student like
you make up a class left out his office because

(32:47):
I was like, he might take that back. He all
didn't think, you know what he said, left out the office,
took my favorite three syllabus from all five years of
college and wrote a curriculum called hip Hop Beat Making,
and then to him at Columbia Universe, Columbia College, Chicago.
So just lean away with this. Jeremiah Kanye is downtown

(33:07):
and he made a couple of edits, and they offered
me another class, and you know, I want you to
teach my other class, Producing Recording Music three, and I'm
gonna teach four. So I taught two classes, hip Hop
be Making and Producing Recording Music three for two years.
And you're what twenty one? I'm twenty three and I

(33:28):
remember the first day of class. It was at the
Rhythm Cafe. It was a studio in Chicago where we
had the class, and they hadn't opened it up yet.
So the students are there. I'm there, but I'm dressed
like how I was dressed last semester, and they're like, Man,
where the fuck the teacher at man? How the fuck
is ding? Open up the building byh bah bah man

(33:49):
and they're just going crazy and I'm sitting there looking
like and then the guy comes opens the door and
they were like, oh, Man, what's your name? I was like, Yeah,
I'm the teacher, and y'all cussing my class. You're gonna
get a f you know what I'm saying. And it's
homework on the first day because I don't like yall attitude.
This is how we walked in on the ass and
every week I used to play all the beats I

(34:10):
made all week and just punch him in the nose.
They'd be like, Professor, you did this this week because
I was Man. I was the Beast is tough, so
you're not weak though. It's not like you're a teacher
and your beass week the film you want us to
wrap over this. Not only is the Beasts not weak,

(34:32):
but I'm inviting damn near all the guests from Kanye
College dropout to class because it's Chicago. He comes GLC
and Lupe Fiaska come a prolific you know, ron Fest.
I'm bringing all of the guys to my class. And
we had a mixtape at the end of the semester.

(34:52):
Like it was. Mikey Rocks from The Cool Kids was
in my first class. So to this day, Mikey be
like Professor cosigin like a lot of people know me
as professor. No, No, he was a student. He's my
first student too, Professor, Professor co sign still to this day,
you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, I think that
that's where I really put together. I think that's where

(35:14):
I got the formula. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
It might have been.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
You might be our first professor we've had on the show.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Bro right right, We've had a sir, we had a
serve I think personal definitely, we had a sur and
a professor.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
I'm a doctor Church, so a doctor of music.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Oh you got the honoraryreadoctored doctor Church.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
From where Harvest Harvest?

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Okay, hey, out of Dallas.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
I'm sipping one more time. I'm sipping one more time.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
To the well schooled Church.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
It's just us in the streets. And you know what.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
I feel.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
I feel safe.

Speaker 6 (35:58):
What you do?

Speaker 4 (36:04):
You man? You know you've been in the streets with me. Man, Man,
that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
So you're the professor with the fire beats, completely tapped in,
completely immersed in the Chicago culture.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
Music culture. Mm hmm, what is the break? Where does
the break happen?

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Because from everything you've just said, like you're ready, You're
ready for the big league, You're ready for the NBA.
When does someone recognize your potential and and drafts?

Speaker 4 (36:38):
A moderating a panel at school, right, and so we
have guest speakers that come in and talk to the students.
One of those guest speakers was a guy by the
name of c l and he had a DJ pool
called Digi waxx Wow and so on the panel he
was talking a ship like. Afterwards, I went up to

(37:01):
him like, Yo, you were talking to this shit man.
How long are you in town. You're like, I'm just
here for the night man. I'm like, well, it's cool.
I want to take you to the West Side. Get
you some Uncle Remus Chicken. I don't know if you
had Uncle Remus, but that mouth sauce is crazy. I
know we know him for Heralds, but as a west
Side or Uncle Remas, you know what I'm saying. And
then my studio was on Sacramento drove them to Uncle Remus,

(37:22):
drove him to the studio, played them some beats. He said,
all right, cool. So on that panel, I know, I said,
I got DIGIAX, but I'm actually partners with Memes, and
he's coming off of this is why I'm hot. This
is a global smash smash and we don't need the
big producers that the labels are introducing us to. We

(37:45):
need just something different. I'm not looking for the name.
I just want a different sound, and your shit is different,
and so I'm gonna fly you to Atlanta to work
with Memes. I'm like, oh shit, you know what I'm saying.
So the next day, my homie comes to the studio
and say, you ain't the hottest producer in Chicago. Bro,

(38:05):
it's another nigga that got you. And I said the
next day, next day, one of my homies is I said,
all right, okay, well play me the beat that says
that he nicer than me. He played the beat and
the light bulb went off on my head. I said, Oh,
he liked to beat because it's a hook on it,
and I don't put hooks on my beats.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
I just be making.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
I'm a beat maker. I said, look that beat, that
you love. Put that on my on my desktop in
the studio, and tomorrow I'm gonna come in here and
make that beat daddy, okay, because you got me fucked up.
Came in the next day, made the beat Daddy, but
then set a hook on there. Move if you want to,
if you want to, if you want to move, move,

(38:46):
if you want just put something there.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
The Memes Record sent that to ad Labah. Yeah, he
jumped right on it. That's my first goal. It's my
first gold record. Wow, it's my first seventy competitive You
don't don't come in here and tell me I'm not
the nicest in this are you? Yeah? You stupidly dumb.
It's stupid dumb. I was so offended. I took Jordan

(39:10):
and that Netflix. I took offense to that. You took
a personal I took offense to that. Say that bro
and went crazy bro. And then I ended up executive
producing the album. I didn't know that I had like
seven records on there.

Speaker 6 (39:24):
That.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Wow, I'm gonna say you how I do.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Another past on shout out to LaToya Lucky. I produced
the song with LaToya and Mems called Love roller Coaster. Yeah,
Actually you didn't did you did, but you didn't what didn't?
Because I did her vocals?

Speaker 2 (39:42):
And this is how I find out who the interns
are because listen, LaToya.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
I love you.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
She wasn't going in the studio with some new guys
she had never heard of, got it. And this is
when we're doing Regret. Okay, yep, good, be good to me. Yeah,
this is the same exact time. She's on Capitol at
the time and MS as well, and.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
I remember was it was was the anti drias Rious.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
And I remember he came in there and he's like, Tooya,
we need you on this men's record and blah blah
blah blah, and I need you to go in with
the producers who did it.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
Their name is the interns. And she's like, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
And I'm literally a fly on the wall, like because
we're doing we're doing her out and she like, I
do J do my vocals?

Speaker 4 (40:38):
I'm like, what, it's not my song. I don't know that.
I remember that. You didn't have to do it.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
You know, Tank is on tour.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
You know what I mean. We did all work and
Tanks gone and I ended up cutting the vocals.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
So that's how I who were I got credit for that.
Neither you want to give me some that you She
should have gave you that out of her give me credit.
She should have gave you some pub She should have
gave you a five man something. Some things we do
for the culture.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Man.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
This is how I find out who these guys are.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Man.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Yeah, and that was enough pipeline to do a publishing
deal with Sony, A t V and Vincent. Herbert had
signed an artist from Chicago by the name of Thieve
him and Barry Hankerson. And it's crazy, I said. Barry
was like he was the churches to.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Come on, so uh.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Very he gave part of amazing, amazed. I got some
Barry Hagson, he's the first. I remember being in his
office two days after graduation and he said, so, I
heard the track stars want to sign you, But I

(42:11):
don't understand. Why would you want to sign to some
niggas that signed to me? Why won't you just want
to come home? Why won't you just come home? All right?
You know what I'm saying, How do you just tell
you twenty two to twenty three? Ye know what I'm saying, Like,
wait what?

Speaker 1 (42:29):
And no?

Speaker 3 (42:30):
No?

Speaker 4 (42:30):
This after me? So maybe I'm like twenty five now,
and uh I remember him playing, playing him some beats
and some songs, and he was listening. He was like,
you real talented man, it's just you'll beats a little
lighting ass. And when I tell you about one of
my ribs cracked when he said that.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
You don't like when people say don't like nothing. I
don't like that.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
He said it beat to a little light in the ass.
But don't worry. Don't worry. I get you with Tim.
I get you with Tim Man and get that together.
But that was the beginning of me formulating the disrespectful
ada wait because you're not gonna tell me my beast
is lighting the ass man. That shit used to haunt me.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Heavy from now on, heavy from now on.

Speaker 4 (43:14):

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, you took everything.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
I love it. It looked like nass.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
He told me. I wasn't a producer. So you're you're
your songwriter. You're a good songwriter, you're an amazing vocalist,
you're an amazing singer. You're a good songwriter, but you're
you're not a producer. So we're gonna get this. Maybe
I deserve produced the right way.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
I just watched you at Love Records in full tank
tanky production mode.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
I don't know if you realized how much you was
in your bag last week.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
I wasn't even bro, that was until you said it,
and then Stacey called me. Stacey Barth called me and
was like, I don't even like said the same thing
you said.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
You were just quarterback is it's chaos.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
It was absolute.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
You saw that there was a leader that needed to
be somebody need to lead, and how you led that
set you got lucky day. You know what I'm saying,
Camper Tim Kelly. It was it was a zoo in
the room.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
It was a zoo room and I was like, na, nah,
I gotta and the orchestration.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
And then because people have so much respect for you
the way everybody just kind of fell in line.

Speaker 6 (44:29):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
I just it was real general ship though, and I
grew as a producer.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
You hit me the next day. I was like, I agree,
I didn't because.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
You in it your business and your natural habitat living life.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
But it's like Barry Henkerson telling me I'm not a producer.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
I touch that personally, and I wanted to beat camp.
Yes you did, Yes, you did the song. He told
me that wasn't good for production that production state, and
it ended up being the song that was the foundation

(45:05):
of my career. So shout listen, shout up to bar
Hankerson for applying the pressure absolutely, applying the pressure.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
Absolutely, because if you don't have somebody, because all he's
doing is telling his truth, right, you don't have somebody
that you know that. One of my favorite proverbs iron
sharp is iron You know what I'm saying, You don't
got somebody. And that's why I feel like Jay is
a cheat code. You know what I'm saying for you,
because they gonna talk that ship and God damn trying
to take you down without without love. But the words

(45:38):
would be.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Like ship, you gotta have tough skin, you have lever,
you gotta be, you gotta crocodile, you gotta have tough
alligator skin, you gotta have Detroit Gata skin to deal with.
I love it. I love it. It's perfect. But but

(46:01):
I'm a product. You're a product. You're a product of
tough teachings. Everything was tough love for me. Nothing was
nothing was cuddling and coddling and and oh this is
because I love you. None of that, straight up, none
of it.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
They in transformed in college. Right, So now I'm alone,
you know what I'm saying, have a three bedroom home,
two bathroom, a couple of cars. My mom really set
me up while she was here, and even after she
was here, my mom set me up, bro and I
paid off the house, I paid for my tuition, and

(46:51):
I put a studio on my basement, and I changed
my major to music business with the concentration and production,
and in this Arts of entrepren Newership class, I incorporated
this company, the Interns, because I met An A and
R through a guy by the name of Kevin Sein
A and R in the city. Name too to Clark

(47:14):
and shout my brother man, because he was the one
that was like, Nah, we're not gonna sign to Barry Hankerson.
No that's not the that's not the play. The play is.
Let's build it from scratch on our own, out the mud.
I've always had an idea for the Interns, and I
just thought that name was perfect, especially being in college,
Like hell yeah, and so the I did a business

(47:38):
plan on that company in college where we said we
were going to produce, manage, and market And so two
was the manager. I was the producer, and then we
shared the marketing. We used to throw parties and shit
like that in Chicago. We shared that together and after

(47:58):
mems after we moved to l A. In one of
your LA parties, I left early.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
I got about it there. It's a good time Chicago.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Niggas, Wow Bro, the Cogo niggas wowd Bro. It's good time.
First days, they do that rain dance. They do the
rain dance.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Chill.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
I think it's called like footworking. Yes, yeah, footwork, calling
footworking the rain dance. She is a month because it
has a rain dance and you gotta and if you
really footworking, thebody has to do this to you. This
is when you go hyper mode when you dancing and
you footworking. They make skik and you feel somebody do this,

(48:37):
then you go fast. You got me? That happens to
make grab your shirt the party. Oh man, So y'are
throwing parties, y'all, and y'all managing some people too, to
started managing feeds. The artist. I was signing the bell, okay,

(48:59):
you know what I mean? And we uh, we were
doing sessions out here, like as soon as we get
to song, they just start putting us on the blind date.
But y'all living in Chicago still, No, we moved in
uh oh nine. So after Memes happened, that's it. We
got about it there. Yeah, moved to Woodland Hills. I

(49:21):
moved family in my mama house so that I could
just come home and kind of, you know, go back
and forth. And I remember one of our first sessions.
Our first session was with the Jackie Boys Shaki Too,
Yes sir, yes, sir, and they was like it was
at a session with us. They had to leave early

(49:42):
because they had to go work with Sean Kingston and
they was burnt out. They're like, yo' Sean kingson album.
I have no more ideas, Coach, please come with us
to this session. And I was like, why y'all want me?
You know what I'm saying. You got Benny Blanco as
the producer. You know what I'm saying. I'm a producer,
And like, no, you're a rider, coach, and even if
you don't feel like writing, at least just come and

(50:04):
talk shit so we get fun. You have fun. So
I go there, they pull up the song and it's
like it's almost like a look, you know, Sean Kingston
kind of had like a little Caribbean twang too.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
So I'm just making making jokes like she's in decisive.
Look in my eyes. Girl come up with the close.
So I'm like just like doing wild ship, just cracking
jokes that the jokes turned into Sean Kingston featureing Justin
Bieber Aenie Meanie shot is Eenie Meani might Nemo love

(50:38):
sh Yo Wait, Nigga's my that's my first co wrote
with the Jackie Boards. It's my first multi platinum plaque.
Yeah wow, just by the homie saying come and crack jokes.
Come crack jokes with.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Us, nigga.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
The song is called Anye Meanie, So I mean, I
get it. I get it as funn I said, she's
in decisive, you know. So I remember thinking that I
was supposed to be cool now, like on a whole
nother level, because I got memes, I got Justin Bieber,
got a gold plack, got a platinum plaque. I should

(51:19):
be the nigga out here. I wasn't I know I've
gotten you into the club. I was struggling. I'm still struggling.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Coach, hurry up, we're about to walk in okay, coach,
fixing his jacket and shirt and ship still trying to
get across the street.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Coach, hurry up, you're not gonna get in.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
You're not gonna get in, coach. Once we end, you're done.
So like it was like trying to get over the
hump of why don't you let me in the club?
Off my face card? Why is it not?

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Why is this not enough?

Speaker 4 (51:53):
Because it's a hundred niggas with the placements. Man, it's
just the true. So at the time, my manner or
was Troy Carter and he had Lady God got signed.
So I'm like, all right, that's it, man, on this
it's a layup. And I started making the beats, right,
all right, I do. I call him glows stick music. There,

(52:15):
glowstick I started. I started trying to like the floor.
Yeah yeah, Tank says for on the floor, because you
know he's a musician right.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Where I'm front.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
When you hear that, you think niggas is coming out
of nowhere. All right, it's time for me.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
He tried to leave me on my birthday Vegas.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
After hour.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
I took him.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
I took him. It was a bunch of us we went.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
It was we left Diddy's house and went to this
club and it was fall on the floor and it
was jumping because it's New Year's New Year's past, and
and they sitting there. I'm having the time of my life.
First of I'm a little hot, and these niggas looking.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
Wasn't said go with me? Come? Why didn't you party?

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Jae's good.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
I was sitting just like this, just.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Listening.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
So I never got on the lady got guy. I
never got the studio. What I'm saying, I never even
got in the studio. Ladies, did you meet her? I
met her picture of all the little couchie that don't do,
not speak on and so Katie Welly, Katie Welly, Katie
well shout out a couple of times on this podcast

(53:33):
because Harry Welly is the reason why I can't let
it show. Katie has something to do.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
It can't let it show because of the sample helping
us get to Kate Bush, Katie Welly, Big John, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
we want a mad dash Katie well Wow.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Katie Welly had one of the most uncomfortable conversations of
her life because I saw her struggling trying to tell
me what she wanted to tell me.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
She was like, co sign.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
It's when we signed you guys. We were hoping that
we would get some of that like Chicago ghetto bounce,
like the Boom, like the aid. Like. I was like,
you want some you want the ship ship hunh, you
want the boom, Katie.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
You want some nigga ship you want She couldn't.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
She couldn't say it's tough when you got to make
white people talk like that.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
This is sniping, but she was.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
She was trying to it's your fu, it's your fault
for not giving her what she signed you for.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
I wasn't. I was not. I was not. She had
our logo in her office. Wow, she was rocking, and
I was just She mentioned this in her thirty for
thirty under Billboard. That touched me. I was like, Yo,
we just met you. You didn't have to drop our
name in Billboard. That was dope. That was a big
look for us for her to for her to drop
our drop our names in her article. And so she

(54:58):
was like just trying to expres like I want the
old you back. I don't want the lady God got Chaser.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
After experience, bro, Bro, that's much when you can tell
the motherfucker. Like, stop chasing that little ticket right there,
because a lot of times in this business we choose
our business partnerships by who people work with or for

(55:25):
thinking they're going to get us in those rooms or
put us in and it's like, that's not your path,
that's not even what you do. Why are you chasing? Like, man,
I've watched so many you know, being politically correct as
I am. Never urban artists, go get white management. There

(55:49):
you go, the fuck are you doing? Fuck are you doing?
Get with the people who understand what you do and
be great, know where to take it and be great. Relax, Relax.
You're not getting on those projects and you're not getting
in those rooms. And if you get in their room,
in that room, it's going to be what you called

(56:09):
it earlier, the photo op and other ship that's not
going to touch that does not touch your bank account
straight up.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
So man, big shot to Katie for this conversation of like, yeah,
after she says, get back to you. One of my
pottners from Chicago, Dyla. Man, you know what I'm saying.
He worked with Dirk oh T. Yeah, you know what
I'm saying. He was He was role managing big Sean
and he introduced me to him and I remember playing

(56:42):
him some beats And this is before I started smoking wig.
I used to be allergic. That's a whole nother story.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
I want to touch that before I stay in.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
You were allergic to tore past tense.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
I figured this out that used to be allergic to
weed and what way, like, what was your reaction like,
hitch Like as soon as I tap it, my whole
face was swell up in real life, in real life,
and so that I remember in high school, I gave
it a try and my mama being like because I
wasn't allergic to anything, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
And my mama being like midical, and I was like,
I went the loan John Silvers. It's the fish that
loan John Silvers. You know what I'm saying. She's like, Michael,
you have to stay away from that. I don't. I've
never taken you there. Why are you taking you down
the whole time, mister weed. And it wasn't until I
broke up with my first baby Mama that I was

(57:38):
on some real depression. And I also was working with
James Follwory a lot. So between the depression between the
depression and the curiosity, and he's gonna make it look
fun too. I just stayed in the house and built
up a tolerance, like my face would be swollen, and
I just fought through it. I fought through it until

(57:58):
my body you it's gonna either kill me. So my
body was like, all right, we got it.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
We got it.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
Like the kid who eats dirt. Really what that is?
It was a lot of shit happened into my body. Wow,
And I just was like, we can get through this.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
This nigga conditioned himself to smoke weed and get through
this through you like the Chronicles of Ridick. No, bro,
you are wild.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
So you meet Big Sean. So I meet Big Sean.
He hitting the weed and he stopped and said, am
I high? Or are these beats really good? I took
offense to that, you know what I'm saying, like, because
I don't even know what the fuck that even means?

Speaker 3 (58:41):
What you mean?

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Are you hot? And I remember leaving, I was with
my homie, Aaron Michael Cox l P, my my younger brother,
and Deler was like, Yo, look man, calm down, I'm
gonna have him come by your studio. Came by the
studio and I was working on the track. The first

(59:02):
track that I was working on was a little light
lighting ass like what Barry was saying. And then he
kind of stopped the session and was like, all right,
well hold on if I got to beat in my
head though, I got an idea in my mind, can
you make something to something i've I'm like, yeah, go
for it, like what you got that man said.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Ass ass ass ass ass ass ass ass ass as
as as ass ass as as as as ass ass Stop.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
I make that motherfucking hammer time erron enrol errow erron.
And in the moment, I was like, Yo, that is
I gotta start clapping. I remember myself clapping like so poetic.
You know what I'm saying. I went to the keyboard

(59:56):
like you know what I'm saying, We didn't you. Then
I thought about him saying make that motherfucker hammer Time.
I said, oh, let me get that guy, damn hammer
let me download grabut to the barrier.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
And I remember in hammer Time when he said now
broke it down, now, didn't I remember that there was
a time where the record went somewhere else because he
said now break it down there. So when he said
make that motherfucker Hamerton Barry James Brown as I had
to go to that piece of the sample when he
said break it down now and it's drop that bitch

(01:00:35):
right there my eight o weight that said, mister Barry Haggerson,
you don't know me, y kady, this for you, baby,
you know what I'm saying. And now, man, we now
we now we double platinum. Now we're in the club
and were finally feeling what we want to feel in

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the club.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Like I made it with you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
When you had that, I was like, oh, my young nigga,
did that will come on nigga Gray Snow, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
I was.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
That was that that gave me the feeling I was.
I was, man, I was looking for that feeling. And
then Nikki jumped on the remix and sit in the
Islands of Waikiki. It's like, oh, we go again again more.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
And this was like the beginning of the fucking the run, bro.
This was the beginning of like those guys got it,
you know what I'm saying, So give us a rundown
of that. And then what that what that turns into?
What are what are the records that come after that like,
how does how this plays out? When you get those
phone calls now that are like I need that because

(01:01:54):
that is a that's a very real thing in this industry.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
They don't want variety, want that, they want what's proven,
and you in two found a space, this proven space
for the interns where y'all niggas cooked and made a
lot of money and had a lot of success.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
So after ask give us yeah, I mean that was it.
It was just like one. It was like all of
the political the fight that we was trying to get
just literally scooted to the side. Like it turned into
I didn't even care who I was working with. Every day.
I knew somebody popping was gonna be at the studio,

(01:02:35):
and I knew he was gonna deliver. H I looked
at my ass cap the other day and it's three
hundred and seventeen joints in there. Three seven. My goal
is six hundred, So I'm halfway home, you know what
I'm saying. But a lot of the beef was in
this era. So after that, I remember having a meeting

(01:02:56):
with Karen Quak, dropping off some beasts to karenq She
gave those beats to a good friend of hers by
the name of the Dream. The Dream was on tour
with Rihanna and going through Beats wrote her a song,
the last song on her album. He wrote a song

(01:03:17):
called Kate Kate Kate Kate k and I remember when
I made that beat, because I originally made that beat
for Christina Aguilera and Eric Bellinger wrote the song. It's
a song called Mary Go Round. And in typical like
industry fashion, you do a record that you love and

(01:03:37):
they don't pay for it. It never comes out, and
I'm just like, you know what, man, I'm about to
start moving these beats around. You don't pay me for
the beat, I'm giving it to somebody else. That somebody
else was Rihanna, and that's a b I remember when
we first got the news that the song was going

(01:03:58):
on the album. They told us it was an interlude,
and me and two almost got into a fist fight
because I was so mad that we finally won the
Rihanna Sweepsteaks and they were talking about we weren't gonna
get publishing because it was just an interlude and you know,
we will pay your fee, but and I'm just like,
come on, man, like this is this is one of

(01:04:21):
these is it? Like you know what I'm saying. I
just one and I remember too being like, bro, you
gotta relax, man, this is the best on the album.
All this ship gonna go like chill like he knew,
knew the whole time. He was like chill. I'm like
the fuck that man, sick of it? You know what
I'm saying there full.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
And he was.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
It was like little tray when when doube boy Guys,
why you be in my head like that? Why are
you I'm just getting say the joke before I'm trying
to get to what.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Are you talking about? Swinging trying to knock the air
out because I was I was coast so well, like listen,
guy Coach is the nicest guy ever. He doesn't want
to fight, he doesn't want to do those things.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
So to get him to that point, man really making
mask to be an injustice and then he's still going
to just punch the air.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
So I'm swinging trying to knock the air out, you
know what I'm saying too, like trying to calm me down.
And then like a few weeks later, I'm in Greystone
and I hear the DJ say like we got Rihanna
in the building. Blah blah blahlah. I'm like, yo, I'm
on this lady album she got me as an interlude.
I ain't never even met this lady. And I saw

(01:05:41):
Chris and a kute. I'm just like and akute Chris Man.
I just heard the DJ say Rihanna was here. I
produced Birthday Cake and I never even met her. He's like, oh,
you ain't never met Rihanna. Come on, man, walks me
over there to the section bro se red. He says, Rihanna,

(01:06:02):
this is cod signed from the interns. They did. They
did Birthday Cake for you. She said, Oh my god,
you did? You did?

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
I love that song?

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
Dived into my arms. I've seen the pictures flashing. I
envisioned myself on media takeout as her new boyfriend. I
knew they was going right. Who is the mystery man
with Rihanna? So I'm I'm actually holding onto the hugs
a little longer so that I can have this moment
of I'm her new.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Nigga, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
And we're happy and were happy and we have It's
funny because the media takeout article that I ended up
getting was with Angela Simmons, and they name they put
somebody else's name on top of that. They didn't put
my name. It was like a basketball player. It was
like Angela and such and such. It's like, guys, you're

(01:06:54):
supposed to do this for Rihanna man and actually used
my name. But anyway, she said, I haven't idea, though
I have an idea. I think I'm gonna put Chris
Brown on the remix. So I want you to come
by because my fans are asking for the the Rihanna
Navy wants the whole song. I'm just like, oh my god,
Chris Brown on this. Y'all back do, y'all get back

(01:07:17):
together for this. So I'm not your boyfriend. So I'm
not your boyfriend, but call the people for me to
take out that ship.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
They don't write this up because because she can get wild.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
And yeah, she called Chris and that remix came out
and went to number one. And when I tell you,
I had never got a performance check different.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
It's different the performance when it's on radio, when the
song performs, when the song performed. Yeah, every song that's
not performed, every song don't dance for you. Yeah, every
song will dance for.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
You now watch this though. It's crazy because to this day,
that version of the song is not available in iTunes
or Spotify, and it's never been sold. So I've had
this conversation with Dream a few times, like, bro, like,
how much money didn't we get because we never sold

(01:08:12):
in this and people can't stream it. He was like,
it ain't nothing crazy case like four six million nothing
nothing crazy though, because he's too rich.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
He's too rich to understand crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
He understands, he's too to understand where no, no, no, no,
he understand he understands. It's I respect it, I said, sir,
he slapped you upside your head. It's nothing crazy, but
for six million, like you acting like you're acting like
but yeah, there was a there was a there was
a different thing that that went along with that record.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
So I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
But I will say that record couldn't come out. I
will say that if at any points for the streets.
Because this year is the ten year anniversary of Talk
That Talk of that album. Ten year anniversary this year,
twenty twenty two, she ever puts that version up in streaming,
I'm gonna tell my wife to pack the shit. We
moving we're moving that day.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
It's out of here.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
Signed the upgrade rade any points you want to put
that song up and streamings, streaments on the stream for
the fans to listen to Chris Brown and Rihanna. My
family greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Yet IM sit.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
Yeah, the Placios's would love that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
So yes, that's twenty twelve, twenty thirteen is I can't
I can't believe I really did get offend. All my
songs come from a fence. So Anthony Selet comes to
the studio. He was partners with Troy Carter and managing
NOD still manages NOAs to this day, and he said
he came by and just trying to figure out right,
well you know what's next for the interns, like with y'all,

(01:09:52):
what y'all working on? And I'm like, bruh, like you
are manager, bro, like throw something off the glass. You
know what I'm saying? What you got? He was like,
it's crazy because I was just about to call Hi
Boy and send him these nas vocals. Man, I'm just
like looking at too, like who man's is this?

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Bro?

Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
Who mans is this? Because he in our studio about.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
To send somebody else he's.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
Our co manager, hi boy, just he fresh off Niggas
in Paris, signed to Kanye's Fine my Chicago hero bruh.
And so he was like, oh, you know what, my
bad man, I'm seeing. I'm seeing the files Coach I got.
But it's not that much though. It's just a vocal
from Nas, a baseline from salam Remi, and a sample

(01:10:42):
that Heavy D gave us the late Heavy D RP
and salute to the legend. So he gave me that
pro to a session with those three sounds in there,
and I remember talking to Fab about it, like, man,
you know what he said he was gonna do? And
she said, Coach, but it's Nas though, right, and you
know your beats are kind of shiny.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
You've you've been offended twice the time, and just in
that one song, I said, hmmm mm hmm. I went
through my hard drive to find the filthiest, dirtiest. She said,

(01:11:28):
what give me the dirtiest. What is the dirtiest snare
that I own? Think I'm going through the hard drive
and that's how NAS the don comes about New York Girls.
And man, if she doesn't give me that, your beats
is shiny pep talk, and I remember sending the beat

(01:11:50):
to Anthony's lay and recording him the first time he
heard it, and he was just like, ship, you know
what I mean that. I remember being in the studio
with nas right like now we're building doing other records,
and I remember this man. I remember him being the
coolest man I had ever met. Yo, because I'm funny

(01:12:11):
bro and I'm cracking jokes and people are laughing, but
Nads would be like hilarious and him laughing. That's how
he laughed at me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
He laughed cool, larious.

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
Yeah, the little scratchy, little hilarious. I'm just like, get
back to the beat, Get back to the beat. And
then uh twenty fourteen, Astrid was on our management team

(01:12:47):
Astrid and she called and said, Nikki want to I
want to work with y'all. And we got up with
Nikki and Nikki was like, I need a song that
makes my dancers feel like how they felt when Ass
came mouth because I remember being on tour and I
remember just watching them going crazy. I need I need
one of those, you know what, I need my own ass.

(01:13:09):
I'm like, I got you, Nikki, And so she had
a verse in this sample idea the boom boom boom,
boom boom from polo polo to down. And so she
was like, I have this idea that I like, and
I like it a lot, but I know you can
make me love it. I was like, all right, So

(01:13:29):
we got in the room. The first thing we did
was listen to the whole sir, mix a lot of sample.
Just listen to the whole songs. Vibe to the song
for a second. When he got to that part where
he was like, my anna kinda don't want none of it,
was like, that's how you need to start the ship
if you're gonna do. If I'm you and I'm making
it be, I'm starting with that. I said, nigg you
say less than me. You said less to me. Oh,

(01:13:52):
you shut your mouth while you talk to you. My
anna kind of bim my an that kind of boom,
And that's what I was saying that as far as spam,
you don't like the arrangement of the that it was
like an opportunity for me to do this track and
then pay homage and then put the school bell. Usually
just put the school be at the beginning. I'm putting

(01:14:13):
the school bell every time that break happens. I'm over
at school bell this motherfuck so people know you know
what I'm saying that this is me. You know what
I mean Because even on the Nasa Don song, I
feel like Jason Joshua will turn my bell down in
the mix, and it was like in the second verse area,
it's like, you turn my bell down. So shout to
Jason Joshua because that's that's who mixed the Ass and

(01:14:36):
the Gang of My Records. Man, Jason Joshua got it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
But he turned your bill down.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
He turned my bell down on the nods. I don't
know why he did that. It was too shiny. It's
too shiny, too shiny for nos. But it happens.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Jason, he knows. He took the lead on it. Yeah,
he'll take the lead to the lead. He took the
lead on one of our songs, remember keep It one hundred. Yeah,
And and we walked in the studio and he starts
playing keep It one hundred and I'm like, as soon
as it starts, I'm like, what I make this face right?
And he says, wait for it, wait on it, niggah, Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
My god, oh my.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Started over that suspense for you now. You know what,
Jason's right, He's gonna make sure you know that he's right.
He's gonna make sure you know one hundred times over.
You guys gotta fuck with me.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
You fuck with me and fuck with me only yep.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Broe that ship. I was like, you are amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
Yeah, because Jason and Jason to hit you with a
little bit of like co production on your mix.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
No, it's not like, it's not like it's not like
Jason's definitely producing Nigga's records.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
No, absolutely, listen when if we send it, can't let
the show and can't let the show is done.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
I'm like, just do what you do? You get a
mix I got, can't let a show back with a
snare on the hook?

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
I was like.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
Did? He said, absolutely needed it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
I like it. I like you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
I like it a lot, Thank me, thank you, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Yo.

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
Jason called me before he mixed, asked and was like,
what you want the basis sound like I was, I
want to sound like a distorted bass guitar, the rumble
on that motherfucker that he put on that baby god.
So so yeah, we started anaknda off with that Miana.
So that's how he even got the name. It wasn't

(01:16:44):
called Anaconda. It was called Anaconda. After you know what
I'm saying, the intro happened, and I just remember that
song like going to the Moon, like that was the
most intentional hit that I had had where it was
just like, okay, Nikki this, I know that I'm recognizing

(01:17:06):
in the times that this is about to be a
lot of things are gonna be different after this.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Bruh had another proud moment for you. We're in Seattle,
Jamal Crawford's wedding tanks performing and who's there?

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
Who else is going to perform? Seattle's own sir mix
A lot? Wow? And I'm like, Yo, my guys, right,
my guys did that reckon? Man? He got a lot
and I had it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
To him.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
He took a lot of that pub I mean you
start the song off with it, you know the name it?

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but no.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
It was a really proud moment being able to just
be like, man, this is my guys that they did
that right, And he was like, man, I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
Man. That was a moment. Then next year we're nominated
for the Rap Song of the Year, Bro, and you know,
to me, that's the coolest award man, the rap song
of the year, like shit Man, and I remember being
so hype and then like lying to myself saying, I
don't care about if we win and lose. I'm already

(01:18:11):
a winner. And then we lost. I wouldn't do a
deep depression to move back Chicago.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
We lost.

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
I fucked up the bag. They went back to my
aunty house. I just see myself right now in the backyard.
I'm in the backyard crying because I know that as
many times as people have been like your mother must
be so proud, in that moment, she.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Was not proud.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
Fucked up the bag. I was out here wiling, having
way too much fun, indulging in things that don't happen
in my local neighborhood where I'm from, and the Hollywood
sauce had gotten into my bloodstream. Bro, I needed a
real time out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
You put yourself on time, Noah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
I fought it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
But when you definitely didn't put it, you ain't got
the rent. No, I'm just asking for I wasn't strong enough, Noah,
I didn't. How did time out happen for you? Because
I can tell your time out happened.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
For me family members flew in town.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Wow, two.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
Just paid to put my whole house in storage, and
they was just like, come on, come on, buddy, full intervention,
come on, let's go and look. It was wild because
what I didn't realize was people didn't understand what I
was going through. But I was having a moment of

(01:19:31):
not really all the way dealing with moms. In the
midst of all of this, I had an artist that
I got a pub deal at Universal and was about
to do his artist deal at Columbia. They had just
signed Adele, and Columbia was like, this is our mail Adele,
and then he passed away a testicular cancer. A brother
by the name of Aaron Michael Cox. He was twenty

(01:19:52):
two years old, extremely talented, extremely talented, and it just
it shook my world, you know what I'm saying, Literally
shook two blocks away from like the studio. I'm like,
wait what And then my son's mother and I, you know,
we I broke up. Was like official, Our breakup was official.

(01:20:14):
So I just was in I was in shambles. Bro
I was not doing the self work, you know what
I'm saying. And I remember going home and I remember
my family just being so confused, like and I remember
my cousin the older sisters, and my cousin Jazz, that's

(01:20:35):
the one that seen me playing basketball. But her older
sister drove me to a rehab center and I was
just like so taken back, like wait, this is what
y'all think I need? Oh, if you don't get me
out of here, you know what I'm saying. And then
I realized, like that was how I realized, that's the

(01:20:56):
energy where you were. Damn, this is motherfuckers think I'm
full on, strung out out this bitch like, oh shit.
And I remember being home and feeling so low, but
the love that I was getting at the crib was
so rejuvenating but confusing at the same time. So I

(01:21:16):
could think of this. One brother used to be on
the corner man, my next door neighbor. His name was Toriano,
and I remember growing up where my mom everybody just
be like you stay away from Toriano. You know, he
gang banging and I don't want to see you on
the corner with him. And now twenty fifteen, with all
the decorations, for the first time in my life, I'm

(01:21:38):
in Maywood on the corner with Toriano hitting the weed.
I'm telling him about God, Damn Nicki Minaj Rihanna, And
he telling me, Bro, when I was locked up and
you was doing your thing. Do you know they didn't

(01:21:58):
believe that I knew you, man? And I'm telling him,
that's a little bro right there. Man, I'm telling him,
I'm like, man, y'all better get out of him. And
that's a little bro. And it was just like, Damn,
they told me to stay away from me my whole life,
and here I am with you, and this is the
love that you. I didn't I don't. I didn't know.
I didn't even know. You know what I'm saying. He
had been locked up while the room was happening, you
know what I'm saying. But the rejuvenation of Chicago love

(01:22:23):
bro got me together that because I turned.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Mark expected to come from too.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
Where you live, This guy, you know, in a sense,
off limits, off limits, your entire life for.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
The streets, is watching as they say, absolutely they are.
And I'm sitting there. I'm grown that, you know, can't
Nobody tell me I can't and now and I got
to weed now. And then he goes still there, so
I'm and my cousin was there and my cousin used
to be cool. So we were on the corner. Bro,
I'm on the corner. In twenty fifteen, it made I'm
on the corner.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
I know on the corner. I know because me and
it is Fool used to be on the phone. Well,
I mean you the reason why I ain't back. You
know what I'm saying. Like it was about it was
about a good nine month time out and I remember
Jay hit me like, man, what's something checking in? And
I remember trying to tell him that everything was amazing.
I was trying to paint Chicago to be the greatest

(01:23:16):
thing that ever happened. Yeah, you know from downtown with
a SOHO membership. I was at Columbia and you know,
they want me to do a Ted talk man. You know,
he was like, Oh, it's time to come back with
what you're doing, Bro, come back to l a man.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
What are you doing. I was like, I'm it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
Came back. It's a little deeper than that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
But I leave out.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Because our podcast is very real, and our podcast is
cautionary at times, and you know in the information that
we give and how we give it, and you know, Nigga,
you're my brother I love you to death.

Speaker 4 (01:24:02):
I called you a loser.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Shit, I left that part, but I had to, Yeah,
I had to, because you had got into big fish
in a small pond mode. You went home with all
your accolades and you was flossing it too everybody on
the corner and everybody at the Soho House of Chicago

(01:24:26):
about what you had done in La and how you
you were in my this is my opinion of me
looking at it, I'm like, oh, he didn't went back
home and not told him why he at home. He
didn't went back home to say, listen, the projectal Sun
is back and I'm cracking in.

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
Block when I definitely didn't tell people why you was
back right now, which I get it, I get it.
But the people who know and the people who were
there for those moments when two was getting your place
packed up and your family's trying to have an intervention,
and like, I was literally a part of all of
that for you. And so when you've given me the

(01:25:03):
gloss over story about what was happening out there, and
and I'm like, nah, nigga, you're you're a loser. You quit, quit,
you quit. Because there's a thing like I respect the
guys who do it where they're from. I respect y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
If you can, if you can, if you can accomplish
the great things that you can accomplish in major cities
like New York and Los Angeles when it comes to
music business in Atlanta now, obviously, if you can accomplish
those things in smaller cities and in places that the
music isn't put on a on a major scale every

(01:25:41):
single day. Even though Chicago has amazing talent, has amazing
people that have come out of Chicago and are still
in Chicago. But for someone who had went and came
to Los Angeles and made it for themselves to go
back home and not on some I'm just going back
home and I'm I'm cracking on something. I'm going back

(01:26:01):
home because I got to. I'm like, nah, bro, you can't.
You can't let them push you out.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
If you're gonna go back on your own and you're
gonna open up a school of music and you got
a label going and you got.

Speaker 4 (01:26:14):
You signed an artist, salute to you. But if you're
going home right because they took your basketball with your pockets,
you've lost.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
And I hated having to have that conversation with you.
But I knew I couldn't get off the phone with
you that way. I knew I couldn't get off the
phone with you that way.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
And I had to.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
At the very least, at least tell you how I
felt you have to finish you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
I had to offinish.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
As you as as you know how we do in
R and B fashion. We have to get into your
R and B mind. Okay, you know you spoke a
lot of musicianship and a lot of creative genius that

(01:27:11):
is in you. You know it's in your blood. I
need to know your top five R and B artists,
any era.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
Of all times, of all times, Michael Jackson, Stevie, Wonder
Ship Ship I'll be scared of this. Don't be scared
of the other three.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
Do it, Just do it, do it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
R Kelly, I'm scared of.

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
Uh. That's just as Chicago is just so unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
And that's a whole other you don't even have to explain.

Speaker 4 (01:27:55):
Jesus, and you got me on the spot, like Steve
rob this is gonna be a curveball. I might lose
a lot of people here, but I gotta just beat music.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Soul child bro, I an't lose nobody, no one on
that you didn't lose nobody in this room music.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
Cold blood and I put my brother to Tank number five.
Let's go on, if it was a fifth, we all
beat close it down with my motherfucking brother. Mother. And
let me tell you, let me tell you that I
can't explain to you the like, the the shock that

(01:28:45):
I feel with people when they're like nigga, you know
Tank in real life. That's a thing, that's a thing
all in together in itself. And that love and respect
that you have for the true fans of R and B. Bro,
blesses me, Bro, that blesses me doog and it doesn't

(01:29:07):
It doesn't allow me to take this for granted. You
know what I'm saying for real.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Top five, appreciate you, B, Top five R and B songs,
All time songs.

Speaker 4 (01:29:21):
Now Donald Jones where I want to be.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
Kick it off?

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
Kick it off.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
A message. Oh my god, that a tough message.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
You'll have to to tough message.

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
This is a curveball, but I got to put it
in here when we deep in the crevices.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
This is.

Speaker 4 (01:29:44):
Music, soul child, previous cats, right, I know that's like, wait,
what are you talking about? But it's a good orientation
song for relationships and reminding people to love like you've
never been hurt. People bring a lot of baggage in
a relationship. Music soul chat on that song. First things, First,
girl recognized who is with you now? Second thing, you

(01:30:05):
can't blame me for how you were treated before I came. Wow,
So it really pushes towards that song was musically yeah,
previous love like you've never been heard Wow songs And
I'm not gonna overthink. I'm gonna go Dave Hollister. Seeing
you reminds me of Wow all the nights I used

(01:30:29):
to beat it up, man, get it. Then I'm gonna
go to my og c T. Carl Thomas. I wish
why not you have me on some Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
Have you on Mike City right now?

Speaker 4 (01:30:46):
Shout out to the guy, the guy and let me
tell you about Mike. To tell you about Mike City. Yeah,
because when I was a when I was in college
at Columbia, they sent me out here for six weeks
in two thousand and five for the semester in LA
program and one of my big homies out here. It's like,
y'all want to take you this show I want you
to I want I want you to introduce you to somebody.
It was damn near Make a Wish Kid.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
He got a lot of moments, Bro, they snuck him
into the program you were supposed to.

Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
Been like, wild, it's a while too. It's got a
while too, man, Bro, because the same teacher that hired me,
the same you that hired I definitely did get fired.
But when I first got there, he was so mean. Bro,
This man said, I don't know why they do this

(01:31:35):
to me every semester and put a hundred students in
this class when I'm gonna fail eighty of you. And
if I'm lucky, two years from now, I'll be able
to send one of you to LA to represent this school.
But what I won't do is let anybody in here
embarrass the school. Two years later, I.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
Was the one Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:31:53):
And so when I came out here, make a Wishcoast Wow.
When I came out here, they took me Mike City Studio,
and this is when Jojo Jojo was going. And so
I remember Mike playing about five records in the in

(01:32:14):
a row that made me want to stop producing. So
I was like, will never be looks good? Yeah, he
had that, he had it and look then he played
one that was like kind of I and was so encouraging.
I was like, you know what I'm saying, everyone makes mistakes,

(01:32:39):
kind of do that. I was like, I got I
gotta be second d Wait, so you're not perfect, so
it's possible and it you know what I'm saying, let
me know, like the law averages how this go? So anyway?
So yeah, shot to Mike City for real, for real
and four now he one more, one more r and
b mm hmmm mmmm uh, let's pus some Joe's in there.

(01:33:03):
Take my mone my house in not car for you.
You can have it all because make it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
Tell me.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
Because girl is worst than to room.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
Because what because.

Speaker 4 (01:33:33):
I'm an addict w you and you know it can't
leave you. You got nick Man my god, yeah him, him,

(01:33:54):
my god sex him.

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
Oh okay, okay, I'm gonna do That's great. That was
really good. And with that one, oh my.

Speaker 4 (01:34:10):
God, bro, he was a master. He was a master,
master producer. That's why I started calling myself coach Svante.
I was like, he's my hero, He's a he was
a master for producer.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
Okay, we're making a Vultron making the R and B
Vultron vocals style, performance, style and passion. Who you're getting
the vocals from.

Speaker 4 (01:34:45):
Mike Michael Jackson and if Mike wasn't available in Whitney.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
Mm hmm. You can't do that, but that's fine. I'll
let you do that. It's fine. Style. What you want
your artists to drip? Like?

Speaker 4 (01:35:03):
Who's like a fashion stand?

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
Yeah? For sure, what's the aesthetic?

Speaker 4 (01:35:09):
Throw it home? Come on, man, who's gonna put it
on them?

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
In April?

Speaker 4 (01:35:12):
May you know what I mean? You know, you know,
you know's gonna put it?

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
Whoever?

Speaker 4 (01:35:20):
Yeah, So what you're looking for an artist artist is
a style that you artists like, we shout out some
stylists and you know who behind the drip? But who's
gonna put it on them? This is my I don't
know if this is gonna work, but I gotta throw
it out there.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
James, that mean absolutely work. I tried to dress like
Rick James. Once you got to be Rick James. A
dressed like Brick James.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
He was hurting for like a week, hurt. He performed
what what show is that? What's that show called?

Speaker 4 (01:35:54):
Performed? This? Ric James? No, no, no, the brother was
hurt for like at least a couple of days.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
Bro I did performing eels bro in the boots, in
the in the high boot tights, the whole nine, and
it was only Rick can do Rick, You realize that's
rock star ship.

Speaker 1 (01:36:10):
Yeah, yeah, okay, I like that, Mike, Rick, James, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
I see, I see where you're going to perform, not
who you want to get like on stage, who do
you want to take that from? Performance style style?

Speaker 4 (01:36:28):
Performance style? The quick answer, quick and dirty is going
back to Mike again because from a performance standpoint, Yeah,
but for the sake of this and moving around Chris Brown.

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
Voice like Michael Jackson, close like Rick James, perform like
Chris Brown. That's all over the place. Yeah, yeah, I
love it.

Speaker 4 (01:36:57):
I love it, okay, with no problem and with who's passion?

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
Yeah, who's passion?

Speaker 4 (01:37:02):
Passion? James Brown. Hey, nigga, this is a killer, James Brown.
This is a killer.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
This is a man as well, you know. Yeah, all
of that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
I need that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:16):
I need to holland ugly, I need to yeah him
as a music director because that's like damning my new twist, right,
like bringing my musicians in and really getting into the live.
So I feel like, you know, being in the studio
this time, never being on tour and never really getting
a chance to like really just shed and get my
musician bag. I'm studying James. I'm about to do a

(01:37:38):
whole case study on James Brown and that performance in
the band and the hits and that musicality.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
I need that he was the only one. I need
that James was one of one, even musically, he was
one of one. Nobody's ever even thought to repreicate that
thought about him.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
You gotta leave all of that alone.

Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
This man woke up one day and said, say it now,
I'm blocking on Proud Like music. That the thing about
this music is just gonna outlive us. Bro. That's the
part I'm gonna outlive us. So the responsibility that we
have to do what we need to do during this

(01:38:24):
very short period that we have this opportunity to go
ahead and and and tap into what legacy is going
to look like for our family tree, Bro, it's a huge,
huge responsibility.

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:38:40):
So stupid. I have a little balance, you know what.
But that's I'm glad you said that. Though I'm glad
you said that, I'm super glad you said stop because Yo,
it's so funny. We had a show last week. Ye

(01:39:01):
hold on, we had a show this week last week,
and I prayed before the show, and when I was
done praying with the musicians before the show, feel smart.
Ass said, so you said you want people to see
and feel God after we play as Ass And it's
like he mumbled that because he was like walking to

(01:39:21):
the keyboard. I was like, but but you're right. Look.
I put out my my debut EP as an artist
last year called Truth Serum and Hello World, Hello World,
But look King's Right featuring Idris Elbow. And when I

(01:39:44):
when I was approaching the artists album, I was thinking
about ass ass Ass and Cake and One Time for
the Birthday, Bitch and Little Booties Matter and all of
the whole ratchet department. You actually have records that are
going to play forever forever, One Time for the Birthday
and time for the Trap, back the Monster, and let

(01:40:09):
me tell you something. That song was done. Trap came
to the studio and was like, y'all got this song
I did with my homie, It's just and could you
could you put the beat on steroid? Could you put
the beat on steroids? For me, and he played the
song for me and I was like this, I did
the same thing when you played it for me.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
I was like, man, what ah? Man?

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
That man is fifty?

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
Is your birthday again? One time to play a birthday
every single day is yeah? Two times for the birthday, bitch?
Fuck it up if it's your birthday, bitch, I said, Bro,
do you have a foule for that?

Speaker 4 (01:40:44):
He went, I could not work on that track fast enough.
Race and that man brought his first platinum record to
the Jacksonville Man shout out to Tribecca. Man, that's his
first platinum.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
No, you you've done enough good in these streets. Man,
it's gonna be all right. It's gonna be all right.
It's gonna be all right.

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, your balance is good.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
But while we you know, we're here and we're talking
about the goods you've done in the streets, we also
have this important segment of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
It's very important.

Speaker 4 (01:41:16):
It's card I ain't.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
Saying no names, And for the people who have just
tuned in for the first time, it's a story that
you tell us that gonna be either funny or fucked up.

Speaker 4 (01:41:27):
Are funny and fucked up? The only rule to the
game is you can't say no names. Cool cool, this
is co signs. I ain't saying no names. I ain't
say limes. Back to the state where you are moment,
you're gonna put us in it where you are. So

(01:41:50):
I wrote and produced that record, But the inspiration behind
that record was me being in the studio, how having
a TV on and seeing a young tender. You know
what I'm saying that I used to I used to see,

(01:42:10):
we used to we used to date. Now she's on
Jimmy Fallon And the first thing that I wanted to
do was call her because she was with the fake congratulations. Yeah,
because you live on another level.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
I was just I was just, you know, I just
wanted to make sure you knew I always knew you
was gonna make Jimmy fason.

Speaker 4 (01:42:34):
She used to smoke weed before I started smoking weeds.
I want to tell her, and you know I smoked.
If you want to smo beat the allergy, So I
beat the allergy. So if you want to smoke together,
you know, say, I'm here and I'm going through all
these emotions looking at her her glory, and I said, no,

(01:42:56):
you know what, turn over a new leaf. Stay where
you are, and that's where that line just keeps shining
in my face, like coach, it's certain. There's certain moments
that ain't no going back. It was a moment in
time I see.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
You shining, baby, I see you drive me crazy, and it's.

Speaker 4 (01:43:16):
But just keep shining baby, right in on some real play.
I kept it. That was pushed. I pushed, not pushing sand.
You push push pushing sind.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
That's a great collaborative flaw.

Speaker 4 (01:43:36):
And you know what, to a lot of the fellas
out there, that's some real grown man ship. You missed
your beat.

Speaker 3 (01:43:42):
You you just missed it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:44):
And looking after you stopped fucking with her, she was
able to She glowed up.

Speaker 1 (01:43:50):
She glowed up, she was able to find it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
And you have to respect that actually from afar because
if you get too close, you might do something to
you too, especially if I'm nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
You bet not. You know what, Look I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:44:07):
You better not pushing. This is part two of not
saying no names, right. So, uh, there was a situation
where I did get too close. Of course you did.
There's another situation. Another young lady was now because my
sister said that she was like it's crazy. She just
seemed like all women just glow up once they stop

(01:44:29):
sucking with you. I was like, you know how, you
know how your sister just get that offense. You got hurt.
It hurt, hurt that I couldn't even say that back.
I just like there was no fight back from me.
She's crazy cursing. So anyway, I see this young lady,
she's in her glow, and in my mind, I'm like,

(01:44:51):
enough time has gone past to where you know what
I'm saying that and look, and it wasn't even like
I'm trying to labor alone, coach. I just was gonna
give her hug and say congratulations. She pushed me, she
punched you, she pushed me, She pushed you. At the awards,
there was are you really try to go in for her?

(01:45:12):
You said, because when you said don't go too close?
I was like, oh, yeah, because because I wanted to
go up thinking about it, she gave you that, and
and so immediately I just started scanning the room to
see if anybody. Immediately it was like, just walk, just walk,

(01:45:34):
just walk.

Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
Get bitches, nigga.

Speaker 4 (01:45:37):
It's not sweet. It's not sweet. And I'm still mad
to dress on I'm saying it. Stay where you are, Stay.

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
Stay there you are you are.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
Don't press saying, coach, don't press, saying, don't press saying
when she go up, oh ship, if he go up right,
it is what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
Let it be.

Speaker 3 (01:46:06):
Understand what I'm saying, because it's it's probably better without you.
Life is probably better without you, my god.

Speaker 4 (01:46:18):
Imagine that everybody ain't for everybody. Everybody ain't for everybody,
And some relationships are just for a season.

Speaker 3 (01:46:23):
A season. You get what you needed, you get, you
get your harvested of that season. They get the harvest
out of that season. You take your you know, you
take your harvest and you go with it. And whoever
whoever that's supposed to feed next, That's what that is.

Speaker 4 (01:46:36):
Yeah, thank me for that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
I bet you somewhere enjoying the goodness. Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Make sure you make sure you telling the listen because
if you find if you find you a good one man,
they do some good things for you.

Speaker 4 (01:46:54):
Those are new.

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
Things, just like whoever taught you that. Come on, thank you,
come on, come on, than you co man. You ain't
got to say it out loud, see me in the club.

Speaker 4 (01:47:12):
It's okay because you know what though I can say
this though honestly, in relationships, I can't handle the truth
of your past. So what that means is, let's just
say hypothetically, you know, I use use my wife as
an example. Say we go to dinner somewhere and there's

(01:47:37):
a guy that she used to do everything with. I
don't want to know, Mario wannas. Let me enjoy my stake,
Let me enjoy, Let me enjoy. If we're cracking jokes,
let me and let me go home and sleep and
let me live and die. I don't because in past situations,

(01:48:01):
think about this situation, this young lady, and I can't.
I gotta beat light on the details. But let's just
say once we was good and and in it we
had an honest conversation. We were in the park. We're
in the park, and I instantly had the boo boo

(01:48:26):
when I heard.

Speaker 3 (01:48:28):
Saying the truth.

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
Right away. I was in the park like and this
because I remember the park. I couldn't just be like
I remember being outside, like wall, how old were you
and how old was he?

Speaker 1 (01:48:47):
And you did what.

Speaker 4 (01:48:49):
And you were spending? Then in all the details, bro
the details, and you can't go back. So a lot
of brothers, y'all, these relationships with these ladies, worrying about
the wrong fucking things. You got to know, it's just
your turn now telling me something listens previous cat cats.

Speaker 1 (01:49:12):
I just think that. Don't walk me in nowhere blind.

Speaker 4 (01:49:17):
I want to be blind, want to don't walk.

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
But here's what.

Speaker 6 (01:49:23):
I want to.

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
Ship. Don't walk me in nowhere blind because because the
past doesn't doesn't bother me. Just don't just don't let
the past be be used against me.

Speaker 4 (01:49:42):
I don't need to know why niggas shook my hand
that way.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
Yeah, period, Yeah, why he keeps saying over here that
was a different kind of embrace.

Speaker 4 (01:49:52):
Yeah, don't let trouble beat you.

Speaker 1 (01:49:53):
Yeah, I don't care, but don't change no dynamic.

Speaker 4 (01:49:58):
So let me get this right. No name Part three,
I got three first ever on the Rmybody podcast. Keep
going three names right. I'm talking to uh, this young
lady about a situation that had just occurred, right, and

(01:50:20):
it had threw me off because the handshake, the greeting,
everything that she's speaking of. Because I was going to
ask you for an example what you're talking about, but
not realize what the example was. You are the example
so I'm telling her just like, yeah, you know, he was.
He was with his homies. They was laughing, and I

(01:50:43):
just didn't I understand, Like that's crazy. I've been knowing
him for some time. And she goes, Marco said, it
only happened once. And when I tell you, I'll tell
you that was the farthest thing from my mind. I'm

(01:51:04):
vincing about my day in life. This is just my day,
Mark was. It only happened once, all right, and it's
not like how me and you are. I was like, wait,
she told herself, like the nigg House and Dragon, she
told herself, Wait, I said, wait, you did what with him?

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
Yo?

Speaker 4 (01:51:35):
I was.

Speaker 3 (01:51:38):
Boiling?

Speaker 1 (01:51:40):
Oh god, yo, yoe.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
I had to get out of here.

Speaker 4 (01:51:50):
Bro. I had to to get out of there. Man,
no more, no nation, It's through. I feel like, did
you keep telling these stories? Man? I don't want you

(01:52:12):
to go back down. Yo. You were traumatized. Oh my god, man,
it's a great waiter.

Speaker 8 (01:52:21):
Oh my god, my god. Bro, listen, Uh, I'm saying
name ship. I don't know my name at this point.
Jay Valentine and this is and this has been the
Army Monday Podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:52:41):
This has been interesting. Listen listen man, man for for lack.
What is the blowback on this go?

Speaker 4 (01:52:56):
People will be trying to figure out the characters. The
only thing I can say at the end of this,
my brother, is that we.

Speaker 6 (01:53:06):
Love you man real. You are really our family and
that's it. We love you and we will always appreciate you.
And you already know the worst. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
I love comings.

Speaker 4 (01:53:18):
I love you brothers more. There, I love you brothers more.
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:53:22):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:53:23):
This has been an R Money.

Speaker 4 (01:53:34):
R and B Money Money.

Speaker 3 (01:53:37):
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