REPLAY: Lil' Mo

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
R and B Money.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
We are, thank.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Maloti.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
We are the authorities on all things R and B,
R and B Money. Ladies and gentlemen, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (00:21):
I am tanked Valentine and this is the R and
B Money Podcast, the authority on all.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Things who you know?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
You know we're going to R and talking about R
and B in the trenches.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
When it was only two R and B artists on
the bill and the rest was rappers. We was in
the deep South, South Carolina, still to below Gaines Bill, Florida.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
We was in the trenches to get the My little sister,
my loved one around the way.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
You understand what I'm saying. Please give it up. She
so accomplished so many things. We'll get to all that up.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Appreciate you will remember. People don't remember.

Speaker 5 (01:20):
Like I was doing shows. Oh my god, we're rappers,
so we would have to. I was singing songs like
Balance and having to walk out of club with the
mic in my head because they would start shooting and fighting.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Absolutely, that's what that's that's where we came from.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
They could never survive.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
It would be just me and you. I would look
at the field then there would be miracles, murders, yes,
tank little more so are y'all the original trap? So
I think, yeah, that way real.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Shout out to Bryson Tyler. But I'm sure Bryson Taylor
ain't never had to walk out of the club after
singing a ballad to gunshots that way.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
I have been almost booed on some of these all
trap shows whatever, like who is this nigga with the
baby y' all on?

Speaker 2 (02:11):

Speaker 5 (02:18):
But you know it's crazy in milk character because when
you could perform at any arena, especially the ones that
you at least expected to get around of applause, that's when.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
You know you.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Well, here's the other thing, too, is that you you
of course started there, and when when I was coming
along you you.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Already had hit. You were already on hit records.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
So when I when I when I came in on
those shows with you, that was me trying to get
my records played. So you were like you were you
were you were already kind of tried and proving before
I got there, because you were going on a you're
going after me, right, you know what I'm saying. So
when your songs came on, it was it was up, but.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
You were you still had to work your way into
that space, right for sure. But when I saw you,
he was cooking and I was like, I was like
there on some R and B photos.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
When I saw you on the bill or when I
would see your name, even to this day, I was like,
at least I know it's somebody on here that can
really sing, because.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
That's there's that That's how we got No.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
I mean, it's kind of shame, but that's how that's
that's that's what you did.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
That's how.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
That's shave shave right, yes, but that's how we got
our record deals.

Speaker 1 (03:33):

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Even even even down to Jay like it wasn't it
wasn't no fluff.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Like Jacob dance. You know what I'm saying, There's there's
that I could. He could dance, right, I could, and
I could dance to you know what I'm saying. I
was dancing in my first video.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
You were. I was full out choreography because we were
all you know, before the cameras came on, we were
talking about things that could have stopped. You could have
stopped you know, the progression. Yeah, of tanking little Mo. Yeah,
and he almost stopped his progression with dancing.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
No.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
But the main thing that would have stopped all this
ship no no no is if he would have kept
trying to rap.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
No, I wasn't trying. First of all, shout out to
michae light in the building. My brother came across from brother.
Who knows my rapt pedigree? I can't get it out,
who knows my rap pedigree?

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (04:17):
They were clean wraps. I was a church kid MC
Hurricane really yeah, Okay, So were you like you were
like bringing the rain?

Speaker 2 (04:26):
I was.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
I was bringing the thunder and thunder because this was
this biblical, because biblical. You were a church I would
rap street ish.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
You know how you watched Jason, Remember how you watched
the box and all the dirty songs that were changed
and had the radio Version's crazy.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
Is I started out rapping too, because, like, my first
time being on the.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
Road was with my uncle John p Key. So while
I was in high.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
School, I wanted some gangsters. I ain't kidding y'all, Like.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
When they used to turn them guns in in Charlotte,
They'll bring it to his church.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
That's but I used to rap as well, and I
tried to do gospel rap, but I had that street
edge because I grew up in church. But he told
me one day when I was like fifteen years old,
he was like, I think you should sing because not
there's nothing wrong with your rapping, but I think you
should sing.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Because you'll last longer. He never lied. Wow that's crazy, right, wow,
So like literally twenty nine years later.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, that way I I.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
I stayed rapping, yeah, until until my tenth grade in
high school, because I was I was battling everybody and
me too, and I was I was, I was.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
I was a battle rapper.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
So yep.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
And one in English class, our teacher in English class
who used to always let me and this other kid
battle for like a little credit, right, and so I
would I would kill him, right, I would just go
edd him. And one day he was like, you know,
I can beat you. I was like, you haven't beat
me yet, he said, he said, because when I'm rapping,
I'm you know, I'm just I'm being lyrical, like I'm

(06:15):
you know what I'm saying. He's like, when you rapping,
like you're actually battle rapping, like you're you're talking about me.
I haven't even talked about you yet you know what
I'm saying. And I was like, I was like, yeah,
I hear you, but let's get to it right And
so a philosophical.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Battle.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Oh yeah, that's where I really went down.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
And so we got to the class and he went
first and he did his rap, and he he rapped
so good, but he was actually rapping about me this time.
And remember you watched eight miles. Yes, and what was
his name, Papa Doc, who was supposed to go last

(06:56):
after Eminem. Yeah, well he eminemed me massacre. His rap
was so crazy and there was so many oohs and
odds and so many o's.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
I was like, I'm just saying this rapping story, just rapping,
gonna do it? What's crazy?

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Man? What's this niggas name? He's not rapping?

Speaker 1 (07:20):
We have to not rapping.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
He works up.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
We have to think, yo, listen, brother, I don't know
your name.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
So he reached out to you, will be like you
are crushed you in the tip break Yeah made he
probably is now.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Aside from him crushing tank, crushing DJ hurricane, whatever hurricane
he was, we would we would personally like to thank
you in the r and b world for destroying this
man's rap career so that he didn't do that foolishness.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
Man, I was good, so he said the rhyme about
you for last.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
And you might have said an R and B.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yet he had never he had never rapped about me.
It was all ways about how good he was and
metaphors and all of that.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Gotcha, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
And I was like, you know, I'm here, I'm going
you with all the street pending, I'm talking about his
close its weight like I'm going. He's like, I've never
rapped about you. I was like, rap about me. So
that's why I'm you know. But that's but getting to songwriting, yeah,
which you do very well. I think us being rappers,

(08:27):
you know what I'm saying, and being lyricists.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Is why we were, why we are able.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
To put these songs together and put these words together
the way we do.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Not only honestly, growing up in the church help you.
I think it helped me.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
I don't play you play like one hundred instruments.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
I can't play just like a little bit of shower
music on the drums, and that's about it.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
I can just play music. That's it.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
That's it, and I think it helped with like melody
and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
You know, before you go there, Before you go there,
we like to start at the beginning. We are very
very informative. Elect to start at the beginning. Because you
already threw out the John Keeper super super.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Shout out to Bruh in the tenth grade, and John.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
See what today is gonna be the death of him?

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Oh you didn't tell us your name?

Speaker 6 (09:23):
I was he was?

Speaker 4 (09:25):
At first I was Sassy c.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah yeah, in church, in church, it was it Sassy Church.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
And then I would know for sing see everybody had
those names. And then I was young Wisdom. I went
through this whole.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
VASI yeah, young wisdom.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
I was like I went through join brand think that
I was like that. Everybody used to be a five
per center something like that. So I used to hang
with the nour young Wisdom.

Speaker 5 (10:00):
And then after that, honestly, John Picky gave me the
name Lulu Moe because my last name is loving.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
So they used to call me money for some reason. Yeah,
and then he.

Speaker 6 (10:10):
Just stopped called me.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeahs put everything together.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
That just stuck. And my friend was just like my
firvy nay because I was.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
We used to drive from Fairville to Charlotte every Wednesday
for rehearsal three hours there at three hours baby, So
I would get out of school, drive to Charlotte to rehearse.
Then my dad would bring me back on Friday so
we could go on tour on the weekend, and then
he would pick me back up on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
So it was just like, okay, started beginning when you
do it? When we did?

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Okay, when did you know when did somebody tell you?
When did the first church congregation say that baby got it?

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Honestly? Hm, Well, I used to sing songs in church.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
I was like four or five and the first song
I led was I think it was about a clock sisters,
What a difference it makes? So I was too, I'm
going to be singing those grown songs. But when I
started saying with John, he was the one that told
me you got something because I started rappits.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
That was like in ninety one. Shoot, I was in
tenth grade, ninth tenth grade.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
So that was the first time, Yeah, you got something special.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
Yeah, So people always said that I was, you know, gifted,
I had a gift because I was saying all the
adult songs because he lives all the grown songs as a.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Child they director grown.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
Yes, Yeah, because it was like when you seven were
you five years old? Sol, When now I was in
the world, I didn't have a guy on my side.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
You five years old? Talk about when I was in
the world and when you was outside.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
The junior choir is God gave me your side, and
Y like, it's that. But then when you get up
to the younger dultchiir, then you can start.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Singing the difference it makes when y'all walk with the love.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
So this is like, so what happens in Gospel is
like a portion of the Bible when Jesus goes from
this from one age and he comes back when to
come back three So he was up the world.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Yeah, that age of thirteen, that's really pivotal in a
lot of people's like this. Honestly, that's the age of
honestly what they call it accountability. But that's also the
age that when you're trying to find yourself. So that
would be the age when I was just like, Okay,
this is what I wanted to do. I always want
the ramp. But I was just like.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
Once my uncle told me at fifteen, sing you'll last longer.
At first, you know, I tried my son does it
to me? He's thirteen. I'm like, yo, you should sing.
He was like, nobody wants to hear that anymore. So
I'm just like, yes, they did. You really don't understand
that's what touches the heart. I'm not saying that rap doesn't,
but it's just something about a melody. It's just something

(12:56):
about tone. It's just something about that type of connection
that just hit different. So it's just like, yeah, but
now they don't really talk about love. They talk about love,
but it's in such a different way. So honestly, that's crazy.
I've never wrote a hate song in my life.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Mm hmm. None toxic.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
I remade a toxic song, remade Shirley Murdock husband, and
that was like toxic, but it was still churching.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
That was the first.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, everything was exciting and I had things in my life.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, okay, so you want to roll with John V.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
King?

Speaker 2 (13:37):
How long? How long were you out with father John?

Speaker 4 (13:40):
For like two years? And then after that, once I
I started out what low kid was, there was there,
so I say, and I was next to Na.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
So the musician name Garling met Waller.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Was the musician.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
Cool played the drums, Eric Bryce's played guitar, and it
was another John used to play the bass. Like I
was there, yeah, right after I was there for show Up.
So I came there with show Up.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yes, you used to be the kid waiting on y'all.
And in d C when he would do the V
I P. Conventions, I'd be the kid waiting and I
just played basketball with him.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
At three o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yea.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
It used to be so lit.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
The best part, and this is what I learned so
much from my uncle is just like now I understand
the it took for gospel artist. Everybody on stage we
just like, the music is jamming. But when he would
come out and slide on stage and the keyboard be ready,
the people would go.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Crazy because he was like he was like.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Because he did the R and B, he did a
Stanton cameo, Hello.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Cameo right. So absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
So his approach to gospel music was total was a
completely different pocket. Like it was like it was it
was something we had never seen before, the structure of it,
how solid it was like John could do something like
this and everybody knew where to go or he make
a noise and.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Everybody, Yeah, it wasn't it was. We was like, so
were watching the band on this side. You had a
band corner when the band where the band set up.
There were eighty musicians from that city sitting on the
side like this. And then you got the congregation watching
the whole thing. You got the singers all through the
thing like it was ill. The music was the praisest

(15:33):
would put together music rehearsals. Yeah, I did the v
I was. I was part of the vip Chuiir.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
Wednesday rehearsals that I used to go to people like
it was almost like a concert. He would come in
and have like a little bit of Bible study and
literally from like six pm to two in the morning.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Now mind y'll would have school the next day.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
He would write songs right there. He'd be like, all right,
y'all got to learn this right now. I'm gonna give
it to you know what I'm saying. I'm gonna get
this song up. He would literally write songs on the spot,
and that's I learned so must from him. And he
because he played, he was like makes you go to
and they would go it was like, Dad, how did
they know what he had that he was.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
The first person I saw sing and not miss and
I didn't. I don't know how we didn't talk about it.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
We don't talk about that enough.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
We don't. We don't.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
That's a gift in itself, even if you're not. Obviously
John Kids is amazing, but even if you're just a
good singer and you don't miss this, that's still something
very special to prepare yourself to to honor your gift.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Everybody don't honor their gift.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
We do a lot of things that go against what
you're supposed to be doing to take ye, minister.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
I might have been on the other side of you know,
I might be at.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
He was definitely no. But that's but that's something that
that that should be spotlight. Yeah, when someone doesn't miss
those type of artists just every night.

Speaker 5 (17:17):
Yeah, you would never know if he was sick, if
he was tired, if he was like you would never
know because anytime he hit that stage, he would give
it his all. And you know, like, now let's say, well,
what time I go on from nine to nine.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
Thirty, he'll get up there and luck.

Speaker 5 (17:38):
Yeah, especially especially what he does the what I used
to love too and I learned a lot of that too.
Is like then I started to think of people's comes
to his concerts just to see if he was going
to get him money. He would literally from his heart
be like he would look at somebody be like, come
here for a second. He's like, what's your rent, Sheila?
We will recipes to her, Janette. Your rent is what he'll.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Pay a foo.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
So when I when I when I made Tank paid
for that. I got that from John Pickick. Wow, I
took that from him. That's that's who I learned how
to tip from.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
And that's how you forever.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Before we used to go to I Hot and eat
after the concerts.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yes, I will watch him give hundreds of dollars two
and I mean it'll be a bunch of us. Think
if a thousand dollars didn't matter to whoever was waiting
on us.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Just watch him. Why you give him so much money?
Like this?

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Who just always take care of people? To take care always?
Always first person I ever seen do that. So I
learned that from him at the concerts giving away money.
I want to bless you. You look like you need
a blessing.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
How much is this?

Speaker 1 (18:43):
How much does that give her? That she give her.
That's that's why I learned it from. Yeah, we can't.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
He's gonna love this. I can't wait to tell him.
Be like, you don't realize how much. Even on down Tip.
When I started working with Missy, she was like, wait,
John is like do you like?

Speaker 2 (19:01):
People just did it again?

Speaker 1 (19:03):
But I just you just champagne to miss to get
there to John.

Speaker 6 (19:18):
That way.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Like I was looking back.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Okay, none of us stopped it. You just you stopped this. Okay,
we need information.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
She so used to lean.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
You relaxed.

Speaker 7 (19:34):
You.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
How do you go from John p Key to Missy?
How does that happen? What's the internet?

Speaker 4 (19:40):
Before Missy?

Speaker 5 (19:41):
I actually toured with Guru rect in peace to him,
I did jasmatask because I think at that time and
did Dad report.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
She couldn't go? So I was singing her part?

Speaker 2 (19:51):
How did you get that? I?

Speaker 4 (19:54):
Well, my cousin she was married to Gary, who is
DJ Premier's half brother. He I was have been in
North Carolina like when I say, god, yeah whatever, he
typed down or rope down for me before I got here.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
He was in his bag And I never understood it
till now because I never had the audition people just
took their word for it.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
So they took me to Guru's house.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
He used to live like right in like Elmhurst, right
between Queens and Long Island, so my aunt lived in Queens.
So my I was like, if I get this gig,
then I can stay with my aunt. And I wound
up going singing his eyes on the sparrow in Guru's
living room.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
He was like, so, yeah, they're gonna call you tomorrow
and we're gonna get you. Do you have a passport?
I was like no, but my dad drove me up.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
There from North Carolina. He's always been my driver. Not
the fire in one time. We'll talk about that later.
But like I just always I never had to really audition.
All I had to do was show up and I
always got the job.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
So Guru, yeah you did the.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
United States the whole and then the overseas. So mind you,
I'm just getting out of high.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
School and you can and you're getting paid, Yes, you can,
you can real money.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
And I was just like, so, I'm thinking, I'm just
going for the experience.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
And they was like, well, this is how much you're
gonna get paid this, And I was like and now
tours that are already established.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
So it wasn't like so they taking care of y'all.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah, Like I'm like, for damn, this is more than.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
I get a child working a job or anything. Before
you caught this kid, I.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
Never had a job. Like, I've never filled out an
application in my life.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
I wanted to fill out one because I was living
on four break and I want to work at Wendy's.
But then I was like, I'm not going to be
able to do that because I used to breid everybody
here and I went.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
To Macy's one time. Really, yeah, I thought I was
going to get a job.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
How old was you? Like a teenager? Because they made
everybody a job at fourteen.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
I think I was like sixteen seventeen. I was just like,
you know what, I like clothes.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I'm going here, listen. I'm tired of selling, right, I said.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
You was another side of the.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Was I wasn't avoiding dope.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
I see something earlier when they said Doude don't line
said I'll gonna stop taking crumpled up money because he
opened it up and half of it was a dollar,
half of it was a twenty. Yes, said drug dealers.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
No trust me.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
My stint with jobs were I had.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
I wanted to get some clothes during Christmas time, So
I went and worked at the oak Tree for like
two months.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Forty wrapped about the oak Tree. He did rap, he wrapped. Yeah,
I was working at oak Tree.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
When you get the whole suit for ninety nine plus
your shirt and tie, that was the pack out the
pack that was me. And then I put it with
a Sati tie and some Kenneth cold shoes.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Just dress that thing. So anyway, and then my second
stint at a job.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
I'm so I'm so mad that Mike laid he let
you wear that.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Go ahead, yeah listen. And then from oak Tree, I
went to uh I had. I had a job at
a parcel plus where we used to make coves and
deliver the mail and all that stuff, right, And so
I sent off I sent off the first and won

(23:31):
mixed blueprints.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
It is mixed, so it.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Was it was remember and that's the basketball thing, all.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
The plants for the shoes, the shirts and all of
that stuff.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah, I sent I sent those off to to whoever
they ended up doing to deal with to get I
sent those off.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
That's like my claim to fame. I shipped those that
dope and he the guy was from Maryland.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
So did that and then I did that for like
about three months, and oh you know why I got fired?

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Oh you know why I got fired?

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Let me think what could have I can't even think of, like.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Why, I'm gonna tell you why I got fired? Yeah,
pastor John p Key?

Speaker 4 (24:09):
What happened? You hung out?

Speaker 3 (24:11):
I stayed out all night with the church with John
v Key playing basketball and eating it. I hoped and
I woke up late. I was supposed to open the store.
It was like my third fourth time.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Being l So listen. So what this comes down to
is John p Key was the reason for both of y'all.
R and B music got you fired and told Sassy
c over here, this ain't gonna work. Y'all say see

(24:46):
little wisdom, whatever whatever you own, what was bad? Look here?

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Uh you need to sing?

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Yeah, your last.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Johnny Key was you know everything? So that's your.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Route checks seeing the worlds? Yeah, seeing the world? How
do you get to Missy?

Speaker 5 (25:08):
So what I remember coming back, I had started hair
school because the tour was over and I was like,
let me just go do hair because I didn't know
if the music thing was gonna work out or not.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
And I was still too young again. Do you remember
Nel's in New York News that was like everybody used
to go and singing. It was like an open mic.
That's where I used to go.

Speaker 5 (25:31):
So I was sneaking because I wasn't twenty one, but
I was sneaking. I would see like Carl Thomas. They
was like Mariah Curry gonna be here, Kelly Price and.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
Mariah Carey. Because I was like, wait, who named my favor?

Speaker 5 (25:49):
I was like they used to be like these persons,
deep people are gonna be there and what was what
was his name? Ron Grant used to have an open
mic t and I remember I was like, one night,
I want to sing at these and I went and
I signed up and they didn't ask me for ID
because the people I would go it was always grown.
I always always thought I was grown, for like I
always home with grown people.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
And I said that's why, but I ain't young now.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
Job But I sang a Laura Hill song, killing me
softly and I killed it. And then after that people
was like, yo, you should do something. I was like, dag,
my uncle was right, but I was. This was after
I came off tour, so I was doing R and
B and if I used to feel so convicted, like
oh my god, hey, I'm singing this secular music.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
I'm gonna burn with the devil.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
I always thought I was gonna burn with the devil.
That's what kept me from it. But then I realized
I was like, wait, people still love me, so I'm
gonna do this. So I had started working with like
producers and stuff, writing songs and referencing songs, and for
some of my reasons, some of my references got to
Missy and I was in the mall and Green Neckers
Mall getting my just finished getting my nails done. That's

(26:57):
when we had beepers. So I moved to New York.
I was living in Queens, so going to their school
and just like going to open mics and just trying
to make a name for myself.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
And Marylyn Bob had ron Ron was his his, uh his.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
He had two assistants then. So I remember getting a
beeper whenever said two on two. That meant money, child,
that mean money.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
So I called her back.

Speaker 5 (27:28):
They was like, Maryland, want to speak to you, And
I was like for real, and so he was like yeah,
Missy Elliott wants you to call and I'm like, out
of here, Missy don't want me to call her like this,
like nig.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
I'm at the mall here, want you to call her?

Speaker 5 (27:41):
And I was like, no freaking way. Hold on the second,
I remember putting the payphone down because that's when the
drug dealers had all the bad phones, and them phone
bills used to be high. So I found a piece
of paper and a pencil and I said, what's her number?
And I had I remember having a phone like this,
write her number down. I called her right then and there,
and she must have been in probably a Lamborghini or something,

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and she was like hold on, hold on.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
She had a car phone. I was like, hey, what's
up this little mo? I tried to sound like.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Is this a certain voice of song?

Speaker 4 (28:14):
It's like, Yo, what's up? I remember, I was like, Yo,
what's up this little mom merlin Bob told me to
call you. She was like holdo, holdo, hold on.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
Malik turned down the music because that's when remember Malik
that used to dance with her by her, So he
was like, she's like.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Turning song perfect.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Because it was so I'm so dramatic. But now I
get it, like that's really how it felt like. It
feels like a movie.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
But it was just like she was like, Yo, your
voice is Doe, Like, Yo, can you come to the
city today.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
I was like, let me check my power polic YEP,
I'll be there.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
And I remember going to the city and when I
met her and we were the same height.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
He's like, I didn't even have to talk talk.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
And then the rest was literally history.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
Like from there, I sang Whitney Houston saving All My
Love for You, and she she didn't tell me Whitney
was coming to the studio that day.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
What is the bar?

Speaker 5 (29:20):
Yeah, not that same day, it was like months after.
So I would reference Missy would write the song. She
was like reference some you know what I'm saying. So
I would be I was like, do you want me
sing all over? She was like, do your thing because
that's gonna make.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
You know people.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
So I remember sitting in the studio and then all
of a sudden, like Whitney Houston walks in. I'm like Jesus,
like no, no, like this is not happening. So I
just remember just like Whitney coming up to me. Because
the soci wro yes, Miss miss It was called Yes
and I referenced it. Whitney like hugged me. It was
just like you like she was so hyped up. Then

(29:59):
she made me go in a booth with her and
vocal produce it. I was like, how do you tell
the greatest freaking voice of the world that had all
the church girls want to sing secular music with some annointing.
I'm standing in the booth with use My thoat is
so dry because I'm nervous. She gave me a fisherman's friend.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
A fisherman's friend.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yeah, them live.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
You ready, you ready to your mind, your mind you.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
Not knowing that they really ain't for saable. But it
was like that's I mean with like everybody, everybody.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Is that how you ended up getting your record deal?
Or so yeah, how long are you with Missy? I
was with like, literally, what you're doing, You're you're doing working.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Session work, doing session work for the people who don't
know this is the process for you. So you go
on tour first with Guru, do you link up with Missy?
And Missy is an amazing producer songwriter outside of being yeah,
an artist, but her vision. So with Missy, now you
in a sense on staff. Yes, you're doing her demos

(31:12):
for it.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Yeah, okay, but she sing too, of course, Like, no,
she sings.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Too, like we know a lot of people student sauce.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Her harmonies of course because she comes from that jodasy.
So we were stacking. Now you could do copy.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, Missy comes from the basement.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yes, so we were stack.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
At five, ten, fifteen to twenty child, we were stacking vocals.
That's what we came from, the stacking vocals ds. So
she taught me so much because I didn't know studio work.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
I was.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
So that's when I learned that, you know, outside, singing
live and studio is totally different.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
I hate being in the studio.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
I feel cloustrophobic. I feel like my ideas don't come,
like don't come to life. So I was glad that
I had her skeleton there and then I could take
it to the next level because Hot Boys was just
her and then I sang with it. So now she
let me bring that church ad libs which people you
ain't got to do.

Speaker 6 (32:03):
All that.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Let me get busybody.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Said, so, how long how long were you there with
your deal?

Speaker 5 (32:14):
Like, so I had my deal, I was signed to
a lecture. But it was just like I was working
with Missy. I was just like, I don't even want
to Yeah, I don't even really want to do nothing.
And all the songs that I was picking, and you know,
all the songs that they were picking, that's what I
did to that. I was working with Mattel Jordan and them,
so they were picking songs. I was like, I don't
think them like, these songs.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Are great, but I don't think it's gonna translate to
I had tattoos, gold teeth at the time, braids, so
I looked like a rapper, but I sang like a
church girl. So you feel me.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
I was trying to blend those both worlds. So just
like Missy taught me, just like just don't settle for nothing.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
Be who you are.

Speaker 5 (32:59):
And that's how I knew out the gates. She was like,
these niggas got money charging, Yeah, so to get me
to show up to Vocal.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Product, that's a word. These niggas got charge them charging
so yeah, so many charging mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
And so that like I learned the game early.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
It's totally a blessing because I didn't have to go
through with the manager.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
So me and Mom like I'm cool with.

Speaker 5 (33:32):
Everybody, but I always got to deal directly with the
source and so really that taught me everything I know.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
So, yeah, first hit record, they.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Was coming back to bang it's not Superwoman oh by myself? Yeah,
but like I was doing, like hot Boys came was.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
It? Hot Boys?

Speaker 4 (33:59):
Put it on me? And then I cried, like but
I recorded, I cried before I did.

Speaker 6 (34:03):
Put it on me.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Child. It was like so much stuff. It was just
going back to back to back.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Okay, so those records will be four Yes, Why did
I not know?

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Really that's why people like I love you from the nineties.
I said, I don't know why you love me for
the nineties. It wasn't out. I was on other people
records in the nineties.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
But min said, you did your first recor come out?

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Oh I got I think, oh one, your first single
Superwoman came out two thousand and one.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Okay, so we are yeah yeah, or like.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
Two thousand and two thousand and one, because you know,
me was out in like ninety nine, like we just
celebrated like Anniverse.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
I like, man, these songs older than mature, Yeah, really are?

Speaker 6 (34:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Because I solo, our solo career's mirror. Then you was
already active, but you was too. I was singing backgrounds.
I didn't have no music out, none at.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
All, but that's what I was doing too.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
You had records on that features though you.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
Had like but is, I still didn't think I madded,
So it didn't count to.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Me telling you from sitting watching watching all the videos,
you was cracking.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
I appreciate that because like to me, it was just
like Dag, I still got more work to do.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
But like tour with Missy, that's when I.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
Got to tour with literally everybody every day, being with
a Leah like that, those kind of things, I'm just like,
nobody will ever have that opportunity. Those were we're doing
jay Leno and then going doing tour like she. Missy
stayed on tour for years, so it just used to
be so dope just to.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
See her in her element and she's so shy. So
once she's done performing, she leaving. I'm just like Dag,
like I really get to live the life. I really
got to live the life.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
So you were kind of like Charlie Murphy to Eddie Murphy.
Like Eddie Murphy, very Murphy went home and then Charlie Murphy.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
What need Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
Yeah, no for real outside but yeah, like that was
a blessing.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
This Superwoman. I always noticed that it says super Woman two. Yeah,
we're Superwoman one.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
So Superwoman one?

Speaker 1 (36:18):
How did that go? Yeah? Well super.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
People have been asking me that because recently it's been
added to streaming site. So nobody knew for years that
there was a part one only yeah, because they just
they thought it was current White. So it was just like,
so why wouldn't the part two Part one?

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Part one?

Speaker 4 (36:40):
Part one was Brian Coxon, That's what he was talking
with one. Yeah wow, yeah, And they told us the
song was too cocky.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
It was two because I was like, you ain't gotta
look Jermaine was the one who I was like, yo,
you like you kill it. I was like, you ain't
got to look up in the sky for a bird
or a plane or you're looking for.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
A change and I'm saving you. Has got the s
on my chest summer suit for boom. You ain't got
to look up in the sky for all bird.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Never heard.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
But it was like remember that Beanie single beat Stop Chill.
We used that for Beacox put keys on it. So
it was like I was too Cocky, so that was
called super One. We thought it was going to be
a problem with Carol White Superwoman because then the titles
and then registering it.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
So I was like, all right, bet.

Speaker 6 (37:35):
I was in l A.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
There was remember when dream Works had the labels. There
was an artist named Canela Cox and I was bocal
producing one of her songs and she was done. She
had two hours left on her session, and I was
like me and my manager at the time, Lorio, I
was like, we might as well use this time. Clue
had left a beat and he was like, if you
get this song, Clue, Yeah. DJ Clue did Super One

(37:57):
part one, So there was wasn't the keys part. Excuse me,
there wasn't even.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
No keys on it.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
It was just so.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
What I did was I smoked me some weedy.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
It we ain't never heard nobody.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
I smoked some weed and I went in there and
I sang Superwoman down because I was so used to
Missy teaching me do your vocals different ways each chorus.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
So when I found out we.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
Could fly vocals, I was like, fly because we don't
have much time left and we have to get it
out of the jelf.

Speaker 6 (38:30):
The dad.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Yeah, so and I didn't want to label to find out.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
So dream Workino was I think her.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
He was like, Yo, they got some money over here.
We used to He was like the.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
First checks right, and and Jerry Ross Terry.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Always hit different.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Let me tell you, Jason Joshua josh was just working
together the amazing mixed master God, the mixed soologists. Yeah,
was at one point in DreamWorks really well, I see
song structure too, while he was a A and R Yo,
So what do you mean the hook?

Speaker 2 (39:24):
So you know what?

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, how do you have this job?

Speaker 4 (39:30):
I think at that time they probably just hired black people.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
So like, wells God is godfatherism nepotism that way, listen,
I believe in that. I believe, I love it.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
I believe in people putting people in the position.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah, I love you brother, absolutely. Okay.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
So you so you steal her session? Yeah you do
Superwoman too. So because this was the other thing that,
like you said that that first that first sound that
kicks in, there were multiple songs for you that in
my mind, I was like, these sound like ghetto video games.
It sounds to me like if if Nigga said this

(40:11):
is house super Mario sounds. But then you would come
on singing church.

Speaker 5 (40:17):
So just imagine, imagine there was no keys, no strings,
no baseline.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
It's just so I literally drums, no drums.

Speaker 8 (40:26):
It was just.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
That was it. That was it.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
So I sang it all the way down. When it
got to the bridge, I had to you could probably
hear it, like if you go back, you could hear
I had to do. I said, drop the music out
right here, and so I say every day love you
in a space shoe shick it has so I literally
sang off my snack, now, don't not play. But I

(40:51):
sang it like that and added the backgrounds.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
So when they finally got in with the with the
additional keys and programming people, they played around there.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
So it's really he goes a little secret. It's really
not on. I always sing off timing, but to be
on time, you get it.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
So it's like MAYP, don't never on the B but
it's always yeah, it's started that.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
I was like the person. I was just like, I know,
I sing off beat, but it's like it's a vibe.
It's you told me and I'm gonna tell you. You
gave me a cop in one day, and I think
I probably went back in the Bacon Cry because I
was like, damn, Like.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
When you notice people that really sing and really do this.
We was at d night show in Atlanta. You was like, Sis,
you've been one of the only people that can sing
with tempo. And I was just like, I never thought
anybody noticed you.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Was like, and like, you feel me sing though you
was like able to sing with not like dance around
and you know what I'm saying and and and dumb
it down.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
You've actually been able to actually sing a real vocal.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
That's a blessing. And so to hear someone notice that,
be like, yo, how do he know? Because people don't be.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Knowing because I want someone to so bad but I
couldn't fink I couldn't figure out the science on it.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
But you know what's crazy, It's like then I'll listen
to your song. I'm like, like, how do you know?
And I was like, God, I thank you for the
gifts you have given me without repentance, and the talents
that you have given me. But I wish I could
play because if I could play, I was like, I
killed all of these bitches?

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Is that your prayer to girl?

Speaker 4 (42:31):
I know?

Speaker 1 (42:31):
God?

Speaker 6 (42:32):
Like crazy? You know what?

Speaker 4 (42:38):
And before you rested. But it was just like I
used to always.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
Feel like if I could play, then then they'll really
be able to get it. But then I realized my
voice is my instrument, and if they get it, they
get it. If they don't, they'll get it later.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
And now a gift and you and you like you
have songs that I mean, you know this when they
come on this is twenty twenty two. Yeah, they lose
their mind like they lose their mind when we do
R and B clubs, when we went Headliner and Mike
Gardner them in in Miami, your songs played their semi videos.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
And I'd be like, yo, this is like, how do
they still? But then you know what, what maya Angeli says,
not what you say or what you do, is how
you make people feel. And I always realized a lot
of these people were.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
In elementary school and junior high running home to watch
one O six in part they remember that, and so
now that they're growing up, we like you all remember
running home and ask my mom can I get them
color hands? And they don't know what I used to
have to go through to be able to get the
blue hair, to be able to wear those colors.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
When yo, we don't want you to scare the consumer because.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
You know it's a.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Used to whole other meeting, remember the meeting. And he
used to have to tell them like, y'all don't get it,
and they would be like, who the fuck you think
he is? You think because your Christmas brother?

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (44:02):
Well okay, now we see what they got now, every
the same tattoo, tattoos all in their mouth. I just
have to hide my tattoos. I used to have to
hide my tattoos.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
So I was just like, nah, and you know what
you work for me when I saw you, and what
I still feel when I hear your music. Now, there
was a time in music when it was very shiny,
right it was. It was the puffadd air. Everybody knew
about it. It was the shiny suits. And then DMX
came and he made music very aggressive and very soulful.

(44:36):
People didn't People don't God rest itself, people don't mention
how soulful DMX is music was. You felt it to
this day, to this and like you said, said to
this day, they can play one hundred R and B
songs and then one of yours comes on and it's
dark and hell is hot niggas is getting to it

(44:58):
when a little Mo record plays, because you bring a
different type of grit and grind to R and B
music that just didn't it didn't exist from a female's perspective.
It's so aggressive when it comes on. It's like we
went when we were just in Miami. We were all

(45:19):
in Miami together having a good time.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Man, I had so much fun. Is y'all don't understand
how much fun I had? So looking big, my sister's like,
bet you was. I said, I came from a very
dark place.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
So the pandemic was a blessing for me so to
be able to get out and to enjoy and to
let my hair down so I can sing on stage.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
And but when I get to be like because I
see you on stage and I'm like saying, but when
I get to be like, I get to be a fan.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Family, but I'm a quean because you got active. Yeah. No,
And when and when that record dropped, when they dropped
your record at the end, it was it's just like it.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
Was like your mother. Like people said to me, They
was like, Mo, you was full. They was like, yo,
you seem like you love to have I said, I.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Did you had a ball.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
You asked the same question like nine times.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
Yeah, and I still want to ask you that question today,
but I'm pretty sure she asked me to.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
I'm like, you got to ask yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Question.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
But yes, you know, speaking of your music and your past.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
And the things that you had to go through in
this industry that looked at female R and B in
a certain light.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
It was very light skinned, it was very soft. It
was you know what I mean, that's just let's just
be real. It was.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
It wasn't no tattoos. If you had tattoos, you was
putting some clothes over those tattoos. There were things that
that in this business from a female R and B perspective,
just weren't accepted. It was just like that just doesn't
work for the consumer, when in reality, these motherfuckers didn't
even really know the consumer. They were so far removed

(47:16):
or removed from who outside it was and is they
were not outside.

Speaker 5 (47:22):
And you want to know what's crazy is once I
got outside and I learned from myself, I found out
I was just like, why am I big in the
Bay Area?

Speaker 4 (47:29):
Why are we talking? I come out to these girls?
Was like, yo, big in the trenches is because I
look like they can look like with you.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah, I'm from the band.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
You want to know what's.

Speaker 5 (47:40):
Crazy is when I go out there the love I
would thought because I was like around when the East
Coast and West Coast, like I was around that time,
So it was just like if you.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Came out here, do your work, get your assho you
feel me?

Speaker 1 (47:53):
So then you went there and felt that love different? Yeah,
you said summer gyms or something like.

Speaker 6 (48:02):
To this day.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
To this day, I was out there a couple of
weeks ago. They had a I forgot what they.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
Call it, but it was Bobby D Presents Me, John Ashanti, Nelly,
Yin Yang, Twins, Loul, John A, Marie, everybody was there.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Yeah, and so I'm thinking, who gonna show up to
this thing? That they were sold out?

Speaker 5 (48:23):
And I looked in the crowd and what they told
us was the consumer. The majority of people didn't even
look like me. It was all Latinas, it was all people,
and they were by being Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
So because we did.

Speaker 5 (48:39):
Oakland and our terror and I was just like, now,
twenty years ago, they told me I wouldn't connect with
the consumer.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
You don't want to scare them away. So what they further.
Lets me know is that they thought I wouldn't connect
with the crossover.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
Then our records crossed over. Then we broke records. Then
we broke so many records. We put it on me
that they had to retire, and they swore that they
were paid. Yo, it was a whole thing. I was like, wait,
who paying for tap?

Speaker 4 (49:05):
People call up there. I was like, yo, I can't
even that was a time.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Remember you get even pay for the car.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
They said that they were paying people that depth Jim
got to be paying to have that song play that
They was like no. People was like no, I really
called up there and they had us come out there
and retire to record because they was like, there's no
way y'all can always.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Be number one for like you know that record was?

Speaker 5 (49:27):
I used always wondered. I was like, well, what is
so big about it? Because to be honest, I went
in there and freestyle everything and none of it rhymed.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
What was so big about it? Where would I be
without you? Baby? So if you need me, if you
own me to put it on you, because I love you,
don't you forget it. Whenever you need me, if you
own me to put it on you, come on where

(49:55):
do it rhyme at? That's the you know they like
they'd be like, you only can sing a minute of
a song because people lose their interest. We can sing
that whole song up until the come on, don't you
know that alive?

Speaker 1 (50:09):
You?

Speaker 6 (50:09):
I need you?

Speaker 5 (50:11):
I won't you won't you put it to the into
the song where you hit the rocket go off?

Speaker 4 (50:16):
Wow, that's a blessing. None of it wrong, none of
it well would I be if it won for your baby?

Speaker 9 (50:26):
May?

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Because so time to be alone? When if it won't,
none of it wrong.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
If it won't to't for you?

Speaker 6 (50:39):
That's that church, that's.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Will and will.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
Won't he will? That was the most incorrect English. But
bevery you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Won't he wear that me?

Speaker 4 (50:53):
Didn'ty? Did has he ever?

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Need? You know? What? Did?

Speaker 6 (50:59):
Did he not?

Speaker 10 (50:59):
Do?

Speaker 1 (50:59):
It? Great?

Speaker 4 (51:07):
We understood.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
So that comes out before Superwoman? Yes? So does that
speed up the process at a lecture at the time
to say, hey, we're going with a little more right now,
because we all know how that shit goes to when
you're signed and it's like, oh yeah, she in there
with MISSI and they doing whatever they're doing.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
But were not really paying that much attention.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
It didn't speed up anything. Now I had to send
that record back to Clue. They wind up literally rushed
putting it together. Duro was his partner, so the fact
that he was an engineer mix it right then and there.
Clue used to have a thing called Monday Night Mixtape
in New York on Hot ninety seven. Back then, he
played it on his show. He made the label catch up.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
He was like, he said, I promise you so it's
Fab on there at the time.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Yes, because Fab is a new artist.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
Yes, so while we're in the studio and once I
send it the clue because that beat was initially for Mop,
let's let's let's.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Start thereas would have been talking about kidnapping's.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
All going deep everywhere.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
But they was like, who you want to get on it?
Because that'll be dope if you have a rapper. So
by that time I had already worked at everybody.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
You want to get down, you won't getting new em
you want on it? I was like, Yo, the board,
I'll be spelling his name on everything. Spiz, Yeah, he came.
They used to call the Fabulous Sports, so he used
to call on Spiz. Okay, so he comes to the
studio him.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
That's when he was with Webb and Chao, and I
remember like they came with yellow bandannas on and chicken
boxes and he had the next help page like this.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
So I was like, all right, I'm gonna let you
do your thing. Do you need anything? He was like, no,
I'm good. Just he said, well I asked, so I
leave out and I come back. I was like, you done?
Oh lord, I hope this thing sounds dope. It's the
Monday Night mixtapes he be doing.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yo.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
He was like, so he said, just let me just
let you know.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
I did a little something on the intro just in
case you could keep whatever, and then I added something
down the end. So it was he was like, I
guess I ain't got no reason to mingle around what
he said, I found a superwoman that can leave from
the truck. And I said, we at here, yeah, and
I heard his.

Speaker 6 (53:13):
Yeah, we are at all.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
By that time, because you know music at this point,
are you new?

Speaker 2 (53:20):
You know hits?

Speaker 1 (53:21):
At this point that you're around Missy, you can you
can tell.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
I'm like, that's it, that's it.

Speaker 5 (53:26):
So remember back then, if you put out a record,
the label can cease and desisted and stop it, but.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
It was getting so much.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
I've been ceasing, desist.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
I have to have you.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
No, I kind of ceased and stop it on Shots
Fired A Yeah, pulled the shot fire yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Yeah, because because they were trying to get going.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
C G T.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Yeah, and they were like, your record's going to interfere
and I was like, what do.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
You mean and now you can put out Yeah we
should have.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
We should have stayed with it.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
But what's crazy is is that everything that we wasn't
allowed to do then doing.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
That, and I'm like, I'm.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Everything I'm not supposed to do.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
Yeah, Like I've literally I can feel a hit record
I've been around because I've been around everybody from the Missis,
the Times, the jay Z's, the.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
A and I's like, I knew everybody, so I knew
what a hit record felt like.

Speaker 8 (54:29):
Damn the sam because for you to pop up on
a record like parking Lot, yeah, they gotta really they
got to really get in his bag to understand that
little Mo was on Parking Lot.

Speaker 5 (54:39):
And then Jay called you like yo. Because I used
to think I was his cousin come to the studio.
I used to think I was everybody's cousin from.

Speaker 6 (54:47):
John jay Z. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
It's crazy, that's insane.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
It's crazy, and I want to know and I don't
know if people I pay attention to a lot of
different ship. When you would sing hooks for niggas, you
wouldn't sing them as a girl. You would sing the
hook as they would sing the hook, which was very

(55:13):
odd to me, really, like, what's the what's the what's
the fabulum? Can't let you go, oh, yeah, well you're.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Singing to the girl with him, but you're supposed to
be the girl. But parking lot pimping? You singing about
parking lot pimp like you wanted.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
A niggas you are? Really, I didn't even you know what,
I didn't even think about this.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
I just thought about that, Yo, that's crazy. You could
gets me in the boglar hollering that bitches. Now I
think about it. I used to want to be big
and a nigga so bad because you really had to
be at.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Yeah, so it was like I like I had to
That's a great that is that is perception.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
That is crazy. I'm like, I really did that.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Look at me, whatever this is. I'm buying the whole bottom.
I none of those. This this is a videt me
thinking so damn.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
So there's also life. I won't say after music, but
all within music where to be TV and radio?

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (56:39):
And what were those transitions like and that did they
come at a at a time where you needed them
or were they things that you just decided, you know what,
I want to branch off and do some other things.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Let me get in to this space, because you.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
Know, I know from an artist's standpoint, there are we
all know there are There are mountaintops, and then there
are valley lows, and then we gotta we gotta.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Gotta livot, we gotta pivot, we gotta scramp. Yeah you
know what what y'all got from me over there?

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah? Okay, all right, we fight.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
We're fighting chickens, all right, all right, I'm the announcer
at the chicken fights.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
On Wednesday nights.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
They got this ten piece.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
It's a it's okay, y'all come on see me at
the chicken fights and I'll be at the.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
Bullfight, yo, yo, Like no, people have no idea.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
So how do you get to television?

Speaker 4 (57:39):
I did radio first? Okay, well, so this is how
I got in the radio it's so crazy. I would
I was.

Speaker 5 (57:47):
I was living between Maryland and New York at the time,
and so I used to watch Martin in high school.
So like when I met Martin, I told him, I said,
had it not been for you, I wouldn't have been
able to do radio.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Shout out to Ursula and Raid and is my homegirls,
these Martin sisters who I love very dearly, and they
be watching the podcast.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
Everybody watches the podcast to believe, trust and believe.

Speaker 5 (58:17):
So I remember Tracy Clarity was the program director at
High ninety seven, and so one day I think I
filled in for I used to feeling for Angie Martinez.
I would feeling I filled it one night for Funk Flex.
Everybody used to have me feeling I filled in one
morning for That's what Starring buck While was there. Yeah,
she was just like, hey, you want to come working radio,

(58:40):
and I was like, you know, I will, But the
label was like no, because.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
That'll be a conflict. Yeah, competition and.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Conflict, and that's what the conversation.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
Yeah, that's what I learned.

Speaker 5 (58:53):
They used to tell you know, Nat, they can't tell
you no because they'd be like, you, that's discrimination you're
telling me, I can't work, you know what I'm saying.
How it supposed to take care of my family. So
I did radio because of that. And then when I
got pregnant with my daughter Heaven, that's when I was
just like THEA. Mitcham, her and Jay Stevens. Yeah, like
I got history with all the ogs.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
THEA.

Speaker 5 (59:14):
Mitcham gave me my first afternoon drive show in Baltimore.
It was called X one O five seven. They had
just switched from like talk radio or sports radio to
hip hop and R and B, so mind you ninety
two Q had been there for years. So we were
a new black station coming into a market that you're
at least expected to make it because Baltimore, you.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Don't like you talk talk.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
We were at least expected.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
You at least expected to make it.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
Especially it was almost like remember when Powa Wonta five started,
Oh High ninety seven, being here, ya ain't gonna last.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
Ninety years later we lasted.

Speaker 5 (59:49):
So it's just like I was just like, look, I'm pregnant,
my dude, I don't feel like this is my first child.
Don't feel like going on the road. She was like okay,
and she said, if you listen and pay attention. You'll
have a number one one show.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
I listened and I paid attention, and I had a
number one show against the we beat the number one shows.
That was in Maryland.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
So after I had my daughter, I wanted to stay there,
but the label call was just like, yeah, it's time
you go back outside, child, And that's when I start.
I did Meet the Girl next Door album, so I
did that whole album pregnant. So I was like nine
muchs pregnant recording a whole album. Remember Mike, Mike was
in the studio. Was like walking from the studio recorded,

(01:00:32):
and then just like the birth of my daughter, I
was like back out on the road, like a couple
of weeks later, and.

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
I remember John p Key called me, niece, did you
die from you together? Don't be going out there on
a who knowledge?

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Well, you said a couple of weeks after.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Yeah, was six weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
And I was outside before that because I just I've
never said, if you realized, I've never sat down to
day in my life since I was fifteen, even before then.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Like I was doing That's why you're still in shape?

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Though?

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Yeah, really let's talk about that though.

Speaker 6 (01:01:02):
Man, kid.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
Yeah, five.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
I got a started five on.

Speaker 6 (01:01:11):
Five.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
What are we doing?

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
Yeah, So it's like I was every time I have
a kid, people like every time you put out an album,
you have a baby, I'm like, damn it, I gotta
stop this. So it was like, you know, once, yeah,
once my daughter she was born, and she was like
she's to this day, she's twenty years old. She's at FADS.
So I was like, I just thought I could take
on the road.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
So she's been on tour and everything, and they let
her get her shots early because you know, you supposed
to wait like eight weeks. But she had teeth at
like two months, right at that two month mark where
they supposed to get this.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
So I was just like we outside. We was in Jamaica, and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
I was like we outside outside with the new baby.

Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
And my mom and daddy because I'll be like, I'm
not hiring no nanny. I don't trust people around my
kids because of trauma that happened to me when I
was a child.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
So I was just like, yeah. So my mom and
dad used to travel a road with me to the
good stuff, and they were preachers, so there was circles
and prayers around us. Preachers to yeah, my dad's a bishop,
but he's the cool driver.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
He was.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
Yeah, I had to fire him because he fell asleep
one time and I was like, we can't have that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
The Lord covered you because you still.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
The Lord cove because we ain't end up in no
disch child. Do you remember the church trips? How many
times we didn't know if those drivers was licensed.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
You gotta look to that side of the room when
you have.

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
Trips churches stuff, and you know you we never knew
if the deacon or whoever was driving had a.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
License in the band as they never got all changes
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Yes, the church.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
A church bus and then and then uh, we had
broke down. We had the vans out in Maryland.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
Church money always drive a coach bus and you had
to pay the money. And it will always be the
people that ain't had the money, and we.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Take them trip in Milwaukee, we take the trip to
Great America. And then when I got to Maryland, that's
when we're that's when it was six.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
You get to go to the church six flagship or
your school was going to the trip and you got
to go to that meeting.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
The summer church trip was cool because you you might
have made a little connection, got a little got.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
A little girlfriend. You know what I'm saying. You didn't
know the church.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
We went to your church and you just made it somebody.
You might have been looking at the choir or something,
and now y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Yeah, yeah, And when you got to six flags or whatever,
where y'alls going?

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
You know you you went on your own, you know
where you went your ways.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
And you're sitting next to her. You tell you by
her boyfriend to the church.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
Because the church. Girls do love bad boys that used
to be crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Especially became My girl ran much. She cheated on me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
She cheated on me with conn of went the church.
He was a good guy. He actually became a really
good friend. But yeah, oh man, yeah, I remember the church.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
The church used to be lit.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
On the church. So you're doing radio. I didn't grow
up a chat you go cha? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
Damn so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
So the radio.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Yeah, doing the radio. I've actually been on your radio show. Yeah,
so congrats to that. Because radio is not easy.

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
It's not because you think that, oh, because when you
watch more you think you just get to talk.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
But they was like, no, you have to do segments.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
But you have to.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
You have fifteen seconds to like everything is just like
in yeah, what's up next?

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Traffic up next?

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Okay, make sure you lean into this, and then we
need to make sure you get to get the Walmart
thing in and then get the all that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
Then you have to make sure that people listening because
they're gonna tune out, but you got to make sure
that you have to keep it. Like when I learned
those metrics, I was like, wait, what that mean, and
they was just like, yeah, that's the people who turn
but they always come back, So you have to with radio,
they don't see you, they just hear you, so you
have to honestly go after people that's least expected to

(01:05:15):
turn into you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
I became the one that they least expected to tune it.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
So I had an audience because mind you, we're going
from talk radio, so that's mostly.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
It's not black people. We don't want to listen to
people talk. And I think it was like sports radio
whatever it was. So it was just like they're going
from the good old boys and the people that like,
I don't know why, to coming into loudmouth little monster
coming up Nation, then time by me and John ruling
them you heard me. So it was going from regular
to dag on their ratchet, but it worked, Yeah, it works.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
So how do you go from how do you go
from radio? Being successful at radio? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
To television?

Speaker 5 (01:05:57):
Just like honestly paying attention I always see I don't
even watch TV now, so I don't know. But I
was just like, as long as I'm allowed to do me,
I'm like, that's what people like. Let me be me,
and that's what people like, because I'm like, that's real.
When you try to make me something I'm not, it's
saying something that I don't want to say, like trust

(01:06:18):
me and this, I.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
Trust me on this. I'm gonna give you my all,
but I'm gonna let you know that's not gonna work
because I've come from greatness. So I've like I've been
through the school of hard knocks.

Speaker 10 (01:06:29):
I learned.

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
I learned basically the hard way.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
But I and everybody thinks it was easy because it
goes from John to Missy to Jay to to all
of that stuff. But it's like I was learning that
whole time. So what I learned as a teenager brought
me into my adult life. So there was a lot
of people, there was a lot of artists. Why is
she doing ready or why is she doing TV. Your
fans ain't gonna like you. Da da da dah, because
that makes you look at certain way. I was like, oh, no,

(01:06:52):
they're gonna like me, and if they don't, I don't care.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
They still gonna look.

Speaker 5 (01:06:57):
So whether you like me, love me, hate me, you
still gonna watch because it's gonna be real. And I
realized over the years the reason why people have always
gravitated to me to be like, yo, you keep that
shit so real, like what you like.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
When I get drunk, I'm gonna turn this bitch up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
You are, yeah, yeah, And when I'm with you. It's
interesting because it's a conversation that Tank and I have
and we've had many a times with his career, from
me being on the business side of his career and
me saying to him that when you have a gift,
a real gift, you can't oversaturate a real gift, and

(01:07:38):
there's no way to get away from that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
So someone telling you, oh, they ain't gonna like this,
they ain't gonna like that. No, you're just bringing more
eyeballs to your gift, and you're actually enhancing it because
now you're giving your personality, which before social media was
really tough to get off.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
Remember that for all a wait for Cynthia Horner to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Call somebody you one way they need you and your
from from your videos and your and your album cover
or if you was.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
Looking like I was on Jay Leno before I even
had songs that so Missy took me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
On it like and I was like, man, have conversations right,
because the gift for me was social media you know
what I'm saying and actually going to meet people because
people just assumed something about me because.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Preachers Kid, and he shouldn't have done. Preachers Preach Kid
mess up a little bit. It made him a legend
in the streets. Though it made him a legend for
a lot of wrong things, but we talked about.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
People.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Social media brought it back.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
The social media people got to see my personality, which
is the one thing missing from you know, all of
my photos and and probably my music. It wasn't well
rounded in terms of you know, who I really am.
You know, all they saw was you know what I'm saying.
That's all they saw.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
You tell you can't trust a nigga who bites his
mouth to make himself look scary to you. Watch the
niggas who do that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
I'm not saying.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
I'm not saying, Look, you were making that, you were
just doing. Those niggas that do this, they can't be trusted,
they can't be trusted. Okay, just remember that I got
sisters and I got a daughter, so I've been looking
at her.

Speaker 6 (01:09:36):
I'm looking.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
If a niggas do land his face trusted, you can't trusted.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
But he wasn't landing. People would meet me and be like,
you are not what I expect because as soon as
soon as I walk in, I'm up, what's handed? What
we're doing?

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
We eating sandwiches? Who needs a sandwich? I'm passing out
the sandwiches at the lunch and who needs drinks?

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
I got the ice team? You want the sun that's
got your Like I'm that and then like you're great.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Yeah, we thought you were in ashole me crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
So many times when I first started working with really,
it's like, dude, is dude like you mean? And like
you always got a shirt off, like bro the nigga
cool as hell, cool it, But nobody knew that. They
only saw the album coverage, the videos and heard the songs,
and they just assumed and they saw Preacher's Kid.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Those are the things. Those are like Preach Preach, I
make you watch Preach Kid again.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Yeah it was, it was, but I mean God, and
in that you feel like your television moment was an
opportunity for people to actually see all of your personality
and not just hear you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
Yeah, they get to see actually, like whoy, it're so aggressive.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
And then I realized aggressive dance like you know what
where that's what she did this day.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
That's the only but that's the one that just makes
it feel like that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Between you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Ever had a bop off?

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
And I need to have one of these because it
was just like that joke, Like even to this day
with something, I.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Was like, no other girls maybe total maybe total total.

Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
Yeah, people ain't really just bop they were because I
came from you know, I always hated that, so I
always looked the one.

Speaker 6 (01:11:40):
That was in church.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
Actually I was allowed to do that with John.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Key, John Need you could be like no, you could
be you could be youthful, you could be a young
a young person was stage. I was like John concerts,
those concerts actually wear street clothes. Yeah, And that was
like kind of frowned upon church you know what I'm saying.
But we got to dress how we wanted to dress
to come to a John P. Key concert, and we
got to turn up, turn up, and he.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Would mix in you know a lot of the secular
music with the band playing certain stuff, and we'd be
like this, oh my god, this is.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
Crazy, and they would know me should go to the fire, like,
oh my god. Just imagine being in.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Church, but not really in church. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
It was like it gave you outside of love.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
That you a lot outside, it gave you something. I
just grew up in the wrong place, man like he
just if I would grew up like in the South
of the Middle, because all of us churches didn't have that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
All of us, all all of our probably our home churches.

Speaker 11 (01:12:54):
Yeah, basic, they were basic.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
My church was traditional. Basic.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Yeah, my church.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Some of the you know, some of the breaking of
the traditions in my church, it was me. And that
was from me going to see John B. Key and
hanging out with John b k listening to John like
and listening to Commission like. That was me trying to
break those traditions and say, man, were kids, man, yeah, why.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
Do we have to listen, don't pay the risks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
But we would do that in absolutely I'd be playing
all sorts of stuff during offering and they'd.

Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
Be like but then they'd be like, oh, we know
what that is. But you're supposed to be deep, saved, spooky,
you know what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:13:45):
So but what's crazy is is that I'm trying to
think who broke it down to me. I think it
was Joe Wilson because I was like, he plays like
he played.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
I told him one time. I was like, I said,
don't take this the wrong way. Your gift is looseif
eric He's like.

Speaker 10 (01:14:00):
Wait, you mean I said.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
Lucifer became Satan. He was the most beautiful. He walked
and music dripped.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
They said he walked in the second he walked in,
music drip.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
He walked and it was a sound.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
I feel.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
You're the Lucifer. I'm just like, nah, that was the
most beautiful. But he got so caught up. That's why
I was like, with this industry, this industry, you can
come in if you come in. That's why I learned
to have tough skin and I get it. I came
and just like just wanted to work. Oh my god,

(01:14:42):
I could say, and that's how you get taken advantage
out us. So now I get it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
If you come in smiling and happy and excited, they're
literally devoured you. I've seen people devouring I'm.

Speaker 6 (01:14:56):
Like, damn sins.

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
And I always thought, oh my god, they're gonna pass me,
because why am I still here? Because I survived, not
only to turn up what was what was imparted and
placed into me as a child and as a teen.
It carried over to this day.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
Now forget it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
So it was, it was, it was. It was never
was your last.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
It was you were. You were given an extension on
on on.

Speaker 5 (01:15:23):
Your we would give, We talked about me. Let me
just tell you this because you want to know why
I asked you a question so many times. I was
just like, I don't think like people.

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
Like us, We don't realize our gifts have not only
changed lives, but it's changed the world. Your music has
changed my life because nobody sings like that. You could
do what they did. They can't do what you did.

Speaker 5 (01:15:50):
So I listened to people. I was like child, that's
all tank, And I'll tell you off the record, I
be like child, that's that's this whole.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
Sound there's a sound. So when we hear you, we
know it's you, even if it's somebody else. Yeah, trust me,
people that have awards that it will take up this
whole run if it wasn't for takeing this the note.

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
Yeah, so it yeah, and they'll never and if we
was probably a different color, they would give you all
the praise.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
But I've seen it another that's a whole nother that's
a whole nother bag.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
But that's that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:16:28):
I've seen people I'm just like, wait minute, doing okay,
they say that's church. This is I literally dumbed down
my gift because I was like, I don't sound like that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
But y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
Come on, now, we.

Speaker 5 (01:16:43):
Wasn't when John was passing that mic. That's the era
I come from. When they was passing that mic.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
Let you come out with that. They ain't giving it
to you no more so what they consider now, Oh
my god, that's bullying. That's traumatized. No, it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
It built character period period.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
We were try by fire, fire, fire so fast, kids,
I had to get that out.

Speaker 6 (01:17:10):
But that's the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
We were try by fire. You're not you're not good
enough to be up here, have a seat.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
You're not leading no solo, Have a seat because you're ready.
Can you pass me?

Speaker 10 (01:17:26):
You ain't?

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
Baby? Say you off? You're real off because you were
because I was.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
You're flat, You're flat.

Speaker 5 (01:17:37):
Remember, don't you get up there and they call you
to sing a solo and be like, I want to say,
so you better sing or else the Lord is gonna
give your voice to someone else.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
God, we got this. I don't know what the this,
that's what they called it. Get your voices to tell me,
and I don't want them to get.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
They ensued like you got You have to be you
have to be tough, you have to be just born
of something different to survive.

Speaker 5 (01:18:06):
But that people like sisters And remember they said Maddy
Moore used to throw tennis.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
Balls, that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
You're like the lost member of the Clark Sisters.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
I think I think I was.

Speaker 6 (01:18:19):
I was like.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
Darren Clark, I used to think.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
And that leads to a song that a lot of
people don't know about. Listen, this is a song called
endowbt Me, Oh with You Faith Evans, Fantasia Coco Who song.
It is okay like that a lot of people don't know,

(01:18:49):
but it's like the clark sister to me. When I
heard that record, I was like, this is okay. Whoever
decided we're gonna call these It was it Coco that
was like these are these are the voices that I'm calling.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
I know when I got to call Phil Thornton, dude.

Speaker 6 (01:19:08):
He called me.

Speaker 5 (01:19:08):
He was like, hey, we're doing this record. So I
know they had asked other producers to do it, but
I don't know if people saw the vision. So he
was like, hey, can you fly to where was it?

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
Was it Tennessee?

Speaker 5 (01:19:19):
Web acep Ward produced it. So I sang the whole
record in this entirety, and then he bought Faith in
and everybody did their separate parts. So the original reference
was me okay, and I was just like because I
always thought I was a clerk, so Coco.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
Wanted me on the record. I was just like, yo.

Speaker 5 (01:19:39):
I called Fatasia, Yo, you gotta get on this jump.
So then it just became an effect. I know Phil
was working with Faith at the time, so he called
her and but I called Fantastic, like, you need to
get on this.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Coco is my first placement, really my first placement in
the music business as a songwriter. A song called so
hard to say goodbye. Dang that I wrote for the
Hot Coco album.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
It's my first placement as a songwriter ever.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
What's crazy is Coco come from the we all from
church and she grew up in the Bronx.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
I've never met her though, really, which makes it even crazy.
That's crazy. You never mad to this day, never make cocy.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
She's the coolest, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
You know, I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
Amide, oh, she's the coolest. Wrote that song.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
Girl, she she gonna hear this and she's gonna be like, yo,
that's crazy and yeah, and I got to shoot, that's
like so crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
I love that record though, and that's why that's why
I mentioned it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
And for me it was it was like listening to
the Clark Systems, like y'all voices together special.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
But see Ace like he wasn't playing and I was scared.
When I'm gonna tell you one of another crazy thing
is I was just like I was scared to sing.

Speaker 5 (01:20:53):
It because I knew that Acep used to play for Kimbarell.
And I was like, listen, I'm telling this, I don't
see like no Kimbarell.

Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
I'm a singer.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Oh no.

Speaker 5 (01:21:00):
And I went outside and I was like smoking weed
that session to singing and down me because I was nervous,
you know what I was like, and it weed, It
calmed me.

Speaker 4 (01:21:13):
I don't even know.

Speaker 5 (01:21:14):
I think my assistant at the time. I was like
where how did we get weed from Baltimore to wherever
we was? But it calmed me and I was able
to do. I was like, listen, I can't do none
of this stuff Kim Barell do.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
He's like, you don't have to. I want you to
do what you did and the rest is history.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
So it's like, well, if anybody's watching this, go listen to.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
That recordez, go listen to that record, because these women
are going crazy on that record. Yeah, are cooking hell.
That's the oldest line up bro Coco, Faith Evans, Fantasia
and sassc.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Little Wisdom.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
I would give.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
What was this wasn't a little Wisdom, it was young Wisdom.

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
And then I came a little mokay, I'm confusing razy
young Wiz Sassy c so so man.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
So, first of all, thank you for your energy at
my album release. Oh yeah in Miami. Uh, that was
just crazy. It's like that like little Boy was about
to climb over. That's those nu climb walking. You gotta
say get it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Remember't show me none.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
You're gonna pull a hamstring if you jumped.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
This thing was crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
After that, like three days you was like you was like.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
I was like, he was like, you can't hear your
left here. You can't hear No, you can't hear your
left here?

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
She said, who told you that? I said, more, I can't,
But who said it? I said, I can't hear my
But when were you told this?

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
I can't. I'm telling you right now, I don't believe you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
He said, doctors told Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Doss said, ain't no way.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
He's singing like that and he can't hear. No.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
Let me tell you this. This is a real stuma
right here. You're ready to go deep. I pay his attention. Okay,
I watched you on stage. You sang from monitors.

Speaker 5 (01:23:23):
People don't do that. They be putting them things in
the and them things make me like them. I'm like,
I can't do that. You sing from monitors, So if
you can't, that's unheard of.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
I just, I just I made the adjustment. I trained
myself to be able to process all of it in
my one ear. So the problem with me and in
ears is that if there are no crowd mics, I disconnected.
So yeah, if we have crowd mics, then I'm with

(01:23:55):
it because I I kind of I thrive off of,
you know, crowd inter action.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
If I hear something over here, I want to respond
to it. If I hear something over here, you know
what I'm saying, Like I want to get into all
of these I just don't want to run through the
motions of my show like I want to be. I
want to be involved with the people. So I can't
artists over.

Speaker 4 (01:24:15):
Here just trying to get in and get hell loong
how many songs and sing a piece of a song
and you be like, y'all, I'm trying to I mean,
I don't I understand people go through things. But one
thing I respect about.

Speaker 5 (01:24:28):
You is that it was like one hundred and fifty
degrees out there that day, and I was like, let
me know when he got two songs left, because this letout.

Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
Is going to be crazy, and so they tell me.

Speaker 5 (01:24:38):
So I walked down slow because I'm like, no, I
want to hear these songs because once I get in
my bag, I'm not gonna remember nothing. But I was
just like you was singing in the heat, which humidity
usually take people throw out. I'm not trying to heat
and really, yeah, like but you okay, And I'm like

(01:24:58):
really not trying to disrespect nobody, but it's just like
I'm like, I've never seen.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
You have an off day.

Speaker 5 (01:25:05):
But I've seen people I literally saw on the internet
the other week. They was like somebody sang three songs
and they was like, you know what, I'm Horse, you
don't gonna get you a goddamn and hala and steam
or pre recording vocals.

Speaker 4 (01:25:16):
Don't you have these people fly out here and talk
about you, Horse.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
So here's the thing. I was going to cancel that show. Really,
I had been I had been singing, going crazy, doing
promo album everything for weeks and my voice was shot.
I felt like I have none left in my car.
I said, man, I might have to end up canceling,
canceling all. But he was like, I mean, if you're tired, man,
if you can't do it, you can't do it. And

(01:25:40):
I was like, I'm gonna just see how I feel,
you know, once I get there. And so you know,
I just got chilled a little bit. I had a
little throat coat, but.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
The red bull. I was like, let me see what
the red bull get me, because the red bull beak
gave me wings.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
And then I had a little horse and anybody got
a horse, I got holls on me, give me the halls.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
I was like, me, me, me, me, me, men.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
Just learned that car and it started up a little bit.
I was like, I got a little left. I was like,
let's go do it. You know what I'm saying, And
like for me, like, you know, I sing hard. You
know what I'm saying, so pushing through is this is
nothing new to me. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
He's also a great adjustice.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Exactly, so you'll you'll know, like jail know, because he
knows how high I can sing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Yeah, and when I'm not when I'm not here and
I'm down here in this little rolls, you will never find.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Like when I'm down there, he's like this just a
little cooked.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
Like I do.

Speaker 4 (01:26:54):
You'll like this is a whole. This is the podcast
is lit.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
But like you was giving, that's not the podcast, Like I.

Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
Want to see that though, like because that's a vibe.
That's a vibe.

Speaker 5 (01:27:15):
I'm just like sometimes like I'm all for giving people
their flowers while they could smell them. And I'm always
a flower gift and I'm like, damn no, I'll never
give me mine. I don't look for people to get
exalted anymore like the real ones. So you saying to
me like, since you've been able to rock tempos like,
and I just be like, that's a flower and I
always hold onto that forever. But to see you like,

(01:27:37):
I'm like, well you here, just imagine when you want
a hunted child, I probably would have.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
I haven't been on a hunted in a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
Really, now, let me tell you this.

Speaker 5 (01:27:47):
And I was wondering, like when I was seeing all
the stuff on social media, I was like, I like
the way that strategically he probably recorded this week before,
Like you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:54):
Was doing shows, You was in Baltimore, you was everywhere.
Then I saw you singing Come.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Jamie. Yeah that was a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
That was a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Yeah, that was a long time ago.

Speaker 4 (01:28:06):
But the fact that I was just like you were everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
Yeah, and listen, some of it was us, you know,
putting things together in pieces and assets, and some of
it was just the universe, like just like it sprinkled.
It's time to you know, put us drop some tank content,
drop the tank content. And so I'm just I'm just
thankful to the universe and the people who just lended
that to us. So we were just on the show singing,

(01:28:32):
you know, singing good. You know what I'm saying, still
having it? Yeah, very tapped into our our youthful presence
and our youthful gifts.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Yeah, okay, we're still here. What is what is little
mo doing now and moving forward? What is the plan?
What is the called?

Speaker 4 (01:28:53):
Honestly, I'm back to the sacrificial lamb. I'm extending my time.
So my son is thirteen that will sing these niggas
under a bus. But he wants to be a rapper
because he said nobody sings anymore, and they keep on
saying R and B is dead, but it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
It's not just yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
I'm just like, no, you should sing your last longer.
So he rather be I.

Speaker 5 (01:29:18):
And I was like, I told him that he doesn't
listen to me, So I told him to remake a
specific song because I'm just like, he came out the
womb singing. One time he cried in church and Kimbrell's there,
she was like, whose baby is that? They cried on
key and I raised my hand. She said, that would
be your kid four forty.

Speaker 6 (01:29:38):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:29:39):
He cried in perfect picture what the organ was playing.
He cried, and I was just like, we used to
call him fussy just because he used to cry so much.
But he whined and it gave like a yes, and
I was like, how did they hear that?

Speaker 4 (01:29:52):
I was so embarrassed. I was like, why would you
do this when Kim Morella is all stage? But I
get it, and I'm like, listen, sign under staying it's
a this generation Z. They're different. They're different. But what
I've learned then I can place in him and I
can sacrifice myself a little bit more and be like
I'm gonna go out here and saying these old ass

(01:30:13):
sauce child. But so far people have been loving him,
liking it, and I've been the bag, been going with
that child.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
I got jams, Yeah, man, you got jam jams jams,
and I got and I got a question, got to okay,
I got to was forever. The answer to Jagged Edge
is let's get married.

Speaker 4 (01:30:36):
One know what's crazy? Did Brian Cotts do Let's get married?

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Yes? Yes, that's I'm pretty.

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
Sure what's crazy is I was recording.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
He did you shout him out in the beginning of
the song.

Speaker 5 (01:30:48):
Because you know what's crazy is I didn't even hear
when I was That's when I was recording Uh Meet
the Girl, last stew album. Mind y'all was not much pregnant,
so I sat down the whole session. Becox came to
the studio. He was like, I got song for y'all,
want you to listen to He might have, I might
have to give it to somebody else. He was like,
if you don't here.

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
As soon as I heard but the piano, and I
was like, I wanted He was like, are you sure
I want to record it right now? I want to
sat down and write nothing down and none of those
words wrong baby.

Speaker 5 (01:31:16):
And at the point in my life when I'm tired
of playing games, I'm ready to settle down.

Speaker 4 (01:31:20):
The only part that is ready by like when you
listen to the verses, none of.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
The ship rhymes.

Speaker 4 (01:31:25):
But I think I was in such a space my
first child was about to be born. I was hype, right, yeah,
anytime I hear a piano.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
You know, you answer my question right what you're saying?

Speaker 4 (01:31:36):
No, No, I want to listen to no music, my bad.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
I was recording my album, so it's not the answer
to it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:41):
Wait, what's the you asked me, and you said, did
I hear Jagged a song?

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
No? No, I said, no, not even that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
Everybody, what you said, let's get married after it wasn't
the answer to I'm saying was that the I was asking?
Was that the answer to? Because y'all also both say.

Speaker 4 (01:31:58):
You know you was crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
Was nigga saying.

Speaker 4 (01:32:05):
Crazy?

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
When I heard listen when I heard the lyric, I said,
When I heard Let's get I said, that's a horrible lyric.

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
I said, but but it's a very rad what what's
on what year it is came out?

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
I think there's might have came out like ninety nine. Yeah,
it was a very real lyric. We ain't getting no younger,
so we might as well.

Speaker 4 (01:32:25):
Do it like, yeah, we ain't getting no younger, baby.
And I was like, I ain't going nowhere, You ain't
going nowhere? Like but you all right over my issues said,
you know, I'm look at without a wig?

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
What's uping? You know? I look with If a nigga
marry you and her without your wig, it's up it's
it's all the way I might run that I love
you if you okay, waking up with the gooc in
the morning, waking over that floor and he's like, okay,

(01:32:58):
that's you. That's how you walking, all right, I.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Got I got you. I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
I'm with you.

Speaker 5 (01:33:12):
Or when you have like when you take your wig
off and put on a dresser and then you got
to meet meal braids going big.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
If he be like, I mean, is there like a.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
A mannequin head that you put it on or you
just put it on the dresser.

Speaker 5 (01:33:24):
Now you just take it off, put it on a dresser,
and you just be like, don't mess with my wig,
because back then was like yeah, like a hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:33:31):
Now them just be like, hey, hundred, don't that's why did.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
You you know?

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
I'll be reading memes the girl, this girl really asked.

Speaker 5 (01:33:38):
She said, so with the ten thousand for student loans,
are they giving us the cash or is they gonna
take it off the balance?

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
Because I want the ten thousands so I can buy me.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
That's where it's at right now, whigs.

Speaker 4 (01:33:50):
That's why hair companies are making so much money. Who
would have thought? Who would have thunk?

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
They just they just haven't figured out the man wig
just yet. Yeah, they have they figured it out, have not.

Speaker 4 (01:34:02):
It's like some people that got but it's just right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
No, that's right. I'm talking about the wig. You know
what I'm saying. It just the full lace front shape up.

Speaker 4 (01:34:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
Because then like I saw one, I saw one, like
they don't they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Go the man.

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
Remember they used to be two pays.

Speaker 6 (01:34:20):
To be like.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
They glored on and then they line him.

Speaker 4 (01:34:24):
But thedn't have to get hot and that they start moving, you.

Speaker 12 (01:34:27):
Ain't getting no young. I saw him went out his
wig on. So we went out Mande and we decided.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
And then my second question is.

Speaker 4 (01:34:43):
Actually like Keith sweat song, make it last time. But
that's where since we want.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
To shout out to the sweat, Yeah, shout out to this.

Speaker 4 (01:34:50):
I worked with it. He's worked with working over his house.
And I remember he used to living Alpharedic. They was
cooking food.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
We was so.

Speaker 4 (01:35:03):
No he can so goddamn twistles said what I.

Speaker 5 (01:35:09):
Worked with key, So I did, I'll trade a million
bucks and we were. He was in Alpharetta, Georgia. Alpharetta
closes down at sundown. So like I was like Damn,
somebody cooking. I'm think they're gonna bring us a plate.
He was like, now I'm about to go up here
and eat, and I gotta go do some running around.
It'st It was some twizzlers, so.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
Want to go eat?

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
And he left you the twist I.

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
Was there was no door dash back then. That was
like twenty one years old, twenty one years ago. So
I was just like, dang. But when I say, I
love key sweating, so I remember the label.

Speaker 5 (01:35:45):
It was like, make keep seeing these background He said, Man,
tell them kiss my ass.

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
They can't tell me what to do.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
Can you say that?

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
And I'm gonna just do one track.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
My boy's gonna cut right through my boy right through.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
Baby you sing?

Speaker 4 (01:35:57):
He said, what I'm gonna do, cut right through, then you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Do the rest. I ain't doing all that shit back yep.
I don't do all that telling them my fuckers. I
ain't doing yes, So.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
You focus on your son right now. You're focused on
the future or on my son? Like, are you gonna
do any more album? How are you doing any more music?

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
People want?

Speaker 5 (01:36:16):
I actually have some songs coming like so features with
some What's crazy is it is like a lot of
the artists that are young, so I'm doing some things
with them, and then I have some songs that's in
the tuck like I got songs with tie dollars sign.

Speaker 4 (01:36:28):
I'm just like, are we gonna put this out?

Speaker 6 (01:36:29):
This job right?

Speaker 4 (01:36:31):
Because I know him since he was a baby. I
know everybody since they were babies, like fifteen years old.
Playing at Jay Brown's wedding. Nice, So it's like, yeah,
put this song because it's what goes like.

Speaker 5 (01:36:43):
So you know, I'm I understand music has changed, but
for the for me, I used to think that not
my sound was not childish, but I realized it translates
and it has transceated to this generation. So when they
hit it, they be like, oh so I don't sound
like old lady. I said, Like, so when they be

(01:37:04):
like hey Auntie, mo like, I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:06):
I respect that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
Are you cool with being called auntie?

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
Yes? Because but there's a thing right yeah amongst women, Yeah,
that they don't like being called auntie. I love it,
you love it? Yeah, okay, a little more love I did.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
Now it's different. I'm cool with that. I didn't. I
didn't want to be uncle for a minute. I love it.
I didn't want to be.

Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
I feel like it's like the leader to gain. Yeah. Yeah,
it just seemed like.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
I woke up one day and it was just it
was just an overwhelming amount of and O G.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
And I was like, has it happened that? As I'm
flucking the grays out of my beer and I'm like,
it's happened yo.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Was just like when you get that show.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
This this what.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
They don't say this sir?

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
Call yo? Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:38:12):
So what age?

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
What? Like?

Speaker 10 (01:38:14):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:38:14):
When it is a good time? Because I always thought
once you turn forty, like that's Auntie.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
I know there are people that don't call me, certain
women that just feel a way about that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
I think it's a term of endearment, just like what
she is. When they be like that's my bitch, and
I'd be like, that's cool, but don't call me that
no more like if you don't know me like that,
you feel me be like yo, because we say that
Baltimore is a term of endearment. There are certain things
that we say.

Speaker 5 (01:38:38):
But when they be like Auntie mo, or when I
go to my to my son's all my son's football practice,
all the kids be like mo. And I love it
because the aunt has always been the mom that wasn't
your mom.

Speaker 4 (01:38:50):
You could go to your eye. Yeah, people that's Auntie
is like like they're the same, just like.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
That's the hood for you. Yeah, yeah, that's the hood
for you.

Speaker 6 (01:39:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:39:05):
Yeah, because the auntie back then was like if you
was an auntie, it was just like that means that
you was older.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
But now it's just like Auntie's Grandma's like we don't like.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
I feel like Auntie is the flies of all the things?

Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
Your aunt can I ride in?

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
Yes, it's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Back to watch my uncle Lero get flying for all
this thing, walking his rod. He put his smell good,
smell good. Tell me how you know you got to
take care of the ladies. You got to open the door,
make sure they got flyers.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
And that's you know what I'm saying. So like that,
no more started excepting a you know what I'm saying,
shout out to the o G.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
In the building. That's me.

Speaker 4 (01:39:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:39:47):
You know what's crazy is many people won't make it
for people to even care about the like look at
the comments and be like that, oh.

Speaker 4 (01:39:55):
There's bitch, what the.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:39:58):
No people just I'm like, how did Instagram let this
one go through something the other day. Now, somebody was
on the internet the other day was like I had
sex with some and something and I was like, cap,
all I said was camp. I was like, what store was?
People like you too old to be talking young. I
was like, I just all I said. All I said
was cap. I didn't say what part was camp. All
I said was cap and y'all got y'all let it,

(01:40:20):
y'all let that row. Y'all up. Y'all gave me too
much power, and my whole joint was bring I'm thinking
this cashap and this.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
Niggas you a lie in peace.

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
No with the o gs, we're not standing for the lot.
It's a it's a it's an aspiration date that mess.

Speaker 13 (01:40:40):
This R and B.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
R B need some R and B information for me, Okay,
like we know you got it, Like what kind of
information you got?

Speaker 4 (01:40:52):
Like what type of what type of ino? Because you
have to be because I started talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
Okay, top five, oh in the world or like the
world work right dead or live?

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
Top five R and B artists female female, Okay, and okay,
it's yours and they don't don't make it politically correct.

Speaker 4 (01:41:25):
Yours Whitney Houston talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
Mm hmm, what's trying to think about?

Speaker 4 (01:41:33):
Shall I'm gonna look through my phone. Who I'll be listening?
Because I listened to the most weirdest things. Oh god,
choo one that's one, yeah, because that's that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
Was a sound? Who do?

Speaker 4 (01:41:52):
I Let me try to think who I listened to?
Anita Baker.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
I was just.

Speaker 4 (01:41:58):
Like, you could clean. That's why I know people house doing.
You could clean your whole house to Anita's.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
Name, Champagne on us this time. Now, Yeah, I was
just you know, I just saw her. I just saw her.

Speaker 10 (01:42:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
That was like a slip.

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
That was like a slip flex.

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
What you know?

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
What Anita said to me?

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
What did she say?

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
She never said anything to me? What does she say?
Anita said? Anita said, you can't leave us?

Speaker 4 (01:42:23):
Now, why was she saying? What does she say?

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
She just looked at me.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
She's like, She's like, you can't leave us. Do you
even know I'm trying to get you not to retire.
I'm trying to figure out how she even knows. Baker
says you can't retire Anita. Anita's in her own in

(01:42:54):
her own dress, her realm.

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
That way, you don't have to concern herself, and.

Speaker 1 (01:43:00):
She said, Darrel cannot retire. Okay, I'm sorry, ship, Yeah
that hurt. That hurt me.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
You heard it here first. He's probably not retiring.

Speaker 4 (01:43:13):
Go ahead, let me think this story.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
Jo Anita Baker, you're killing.

Speaker 4 (01:43:21):
I'm gonna tell yourself. Y'all might not remember, but I
listened to his songs and he's went on Kenny Green.
H we what because a lot of people like, do
you remember his song? Made you a crown and call
your his version? So I'm naming like.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
People that Kenny Come on, come on, give him some
you know what, Give give him some Kenny Green history
for the people who don't know Kenny Green.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
Like Kenny Green was a specihow.

Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
Yeah, he was ahead of time. And I remember what
I meant in my cry because I was like, I
don't think you realized how much you changed. And he
was sitting there like this, like I thought he was
gonna be like like arrogant or he was just like
he was like I was like, wait, why are you bowing?

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
Nigga was the amazing group intro he was.

Speaker 4 (01:44:15):
He did all them. He was inside ye let.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
Me monster, like I'll keep you, I'll keep you the
way his war monster.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
Come on, Kenny Green, that's for more.

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
That's for.

Speaker 4 (01:44:32):
Because it's more than five.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
No, no, no one, lady, But to ladies, you two
and two are two and five? Ye what Jose is one?
It's really Casey and no no, no, Jose is one
because Divante.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
Don't forget about and and no no no, no, no
no and sing and singing lead and singing lead?

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
What's all he's saying?

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
One fact, he's.

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
Singing lead on multiple songs. People thinking he's singing lead
because they have a similar tone during the lead, not
outs got singing lead?

Speaker 4 (01:45:15):
Yeah, because Casey and there what's more quartet?

Speaker 6 (01:45:18):
I get it?

Speaker 4 (01:45:21):
And I'm trying to think.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
Five.

Speaker 5 (01:45:31):
I'm trying to think like you know who I will
see and I would be yelling at so like I
like when I get to say people's songs off key,
I don't want to sing.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
You can't plead the fifth. You got five kids, you
need to have a top five. I know these kids
gotta have somebody, don't they.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
Can we come back to the No no, no, don't
do that.

Speaker 4 (01:45:55):
Mo come like I really can't think of no names
all this R and B.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
You've been singing's crazy. People are many people you've been
in the studio with songs with because singing, I'd be like,
you can sink even if it's even if it's a
forbidden name, you can say the name.

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
You can sing. Say what you got to say, like
mad that you.

Speaker 6 (01:46:25):
It's really going.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
Because I'm trying to think, oh he said.

Speaker 4 (01:46:32):
I can't think of who it is. Like then I
would say, Brandy, that four More album changed my life.

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
Argue never Brandy, I used to listen to that.

Speaker 4 (01:46:48):
Why you listen to that before your show?

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:46:52):
God yeah, our brother? Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:46:54):
But now I think about it, all the people that
I've named, it's always the people that's bringing out that
he brought out us sound.

Speaker 4 (01:47:00):
That was a whole sound that people try to emulate.

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
They're still trying to emulate to this day.

Speaker 4 (01:47:06):
And I'd be like, y'all said a mess, Yeah he
had that oil. Yes, So it's just like but those
like I would say, like I said, I would listen
to before the show, but get you right, you're going, yeah, all.

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
Right, So okay, can you have to explain your five five?

Speaker 4 (01:47:26):
And it's crazy is I'm the only one I've seen
in concert is probably Brandy. Wow, I've never been to
a Whitney Houston concert. I've never been to a Joe
Tosy concert.

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
I have. I think I've never been to an early
Jo concert.

Speaker 4 (01:47:41):
I've been to Casey and Jojo and that's when they.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
Was crazy, stupid crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:47:49):
But remember when he was walking out or the chicken.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
Man stop it.

Speaker 4 (01:47:56):
Remember he grabbed a wing off that if we had
a show with them.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
They were singing background for father and see.

Speaker 4 (01:48:04):
Treating like remember they were singing like John everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
I think we did either Jack the Rapper or the
br Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
That's crazy. Yeah, they was.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
They were singing church.

Speaker 1 (01:48:24):
I remember they used to get kicked. Was only fifteen
at that time, were kids.

Speaker 5 (01:48:28):
Yeah, and that's why I remember remember what was Donny
Soul Show video sol videos and they were like, so,
what are your family? I remember it because I used
to study people's interviews. What does your family think about
you singing R and beat? Because they came up like
Apostolic holiness. I remember going to the bishop to greet Yes,
but I went to Johnny Graves church one time because

(01:48:49):
one of the Graves used to go to school with me,
so I went to the church.

Speaker 4 (01:48:51):
They used to do to door LEAs and bab you
wasn't coming there with no pants. So when they they
was like, you know, our parents just like you know
you ain't living right, And I was just like, now
I understand. So when they formed circles around me and church,
I used to crawl for money. I ain't about to
arm this man because you ain't get chosen.

Speaker 2 (01:49:10):
I talk about it. Okay, Top five, M.

Speaker 7 (01:49:15):
R and B songs, top our group, Okay, our group,
love me Better can.

Speaker 4 (01:49:28):
Like I wish I could write like that so abstract,
like what made him thinking that that? Please don't go
You don't have to do that. I don't think you understand.
I don't think you understand that because when people go
to the full settle and it's just as effective as

(01:49:50):
full voice, you can't leave us.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
I can't leave it. Don't don't try that need of me.

Speaker 4 (01:49:55):
Don't you know there's a reason.

Speaker 5 (01:49:57):
And if you think she'd wait too, yeah, it's gonna
be some people that's like you can't like those kind
of gifts, don't they don't come around?

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:50:07):
Yeah, yeah, full moon, I ain't.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
Even come on, Come on, man, come on.

Speaker 4 (01:50:24):
If you like like she was, get it cracking if
you like, must be a fool.

Speaker 10 (01:50:28):
H that song is that's three mm hmm, oh, I
hate that.

Speaker 4 (01:50:41):
I love this song because I know this person is
not supposed to be light.

Speaker 5 (01:50:44):
But mm hmm, come on, one of the Okay, no
matter what people think, one of the best written songs
to me in the world was the best sex I've
had by R Kelly.

Speaker 1 (01:51:03):
Found crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
When that song came on? When when that song first
came on?

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
And I want to know another fun fact? What you know?

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
I'm full of fun facts? What because this is like,
so what from Happily Ever After?

Speaker 1 (01:51:20):
Case? That's from Case?

Speaker 6 (01:51:24):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
What party? Go ahead? Come on, come on?

Speaker 4 (01:51:31):
Wait wasn't that song before?

Speaker 1 (01:51:33):
No No Happily ever First?

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
No, No, there is no. I don't know, there is no.
I don't know, there is no.

Speaker 1 (01:51:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
Shout out to Joe Joe Brown. Shout out.

Speaker 1 (01:51:48):
My guy.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
Chris, Chris. Oh god, I can't think of Chris's last
name because we got a.

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
Lot of going on.

Speaker 4 (01:52:00):
No, I'm trying to figure out what.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
My guy got paid for that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:04):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, believe we're gonna get
the same facts. The Greatest Sex is a take from
Cases that happily ever after.

Speaker 6 (01:52:29):
I never ba ba.

Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
Dude that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
You can put him out side, found.

Speaker 4 (01:52:42):
Out and be liked. Chris.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
I can't think of his last name. It's it's I'm missing,
I'm Chris. This is my guy for years too.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
My apologies brother, when you see this, this is a
shout out to you. No no, no, no, absolutely because
it was and I remember the time when it happened.

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
It is a no no no. He had to change.

Speaker 1 (01:53:02):
He had he had to, he had publishing.

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
Yeah, he changed it a little bit, but not got
you the great sex. But but when I heard great
in sex, I said, beat.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
Jam it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:19):
I used to like, I love drama.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
That he beat me and can I used to always
be like this, I'm gonna catch him. I'm gonna get
who I'm gonna kill him with this one. And then
I heard great in Sex.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
I was like I lost.

Speaker 9 (01:53:36):
But but Kama no, I mean just like like you know,
like you you know when you hear something, you hear
something you like, oh God, like what made him thinking that?

Speaker 1 (01:53:47):
I wish I had written and produced that song and
sang it that way. Chris Henderson, Chris Chris Deep Henderson,
Why okay? Chris deep, yes, yes, happily ever all right,
okay that was that was that three?

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
That number?

Speaker 4 (01:54:09):
That was four, and I would say five mm hmm.
Let me take it because there's some songs. Oh, I
love Sweet Love by Anita Baker. I added that to
my s because I was just like, do you do
you know I love those songs? At you, baby, she said,

(01:54:35):
with all my heart love. Well, you're telling I love you.
I'm gonna give you something this sweet love.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
Calling out my name.

Speaker 11 (01:54:53):
You don't love me if you don't tell me that,
you don't love me, you do not love me. If
you don't tell me that, and haul it out, man,
feel no shame.

Speaker 4 (01:55:04):
There was no social media because now you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
Don't like what.

Speaker 4 (01:55:12):
Yeah, yah, there was no shame. Back then you knew
your granddaddy had three famis.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
But but now now that no shame is to another
level because if you say that and some little hood
roach go and say she knowing and you still don't
feel a way about it, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:55:27):
That means that man, Yeah, because you know, at the
end of the day, she she ain't gonna do nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
But yeah, because we ain't getting no younger.

Speaker 4 (01:55:36):
Because we already I already knew my granddaddy had different family.

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
Like damn, but he had multiple family.

Speaker 4 (01:55:41):
What in his change? I found out later. I was like,
he was outside, but I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
He's inside too.

Speaker 1 (01:55:51):
Probably. I'm sure you had to fly young, you feel me?

Speaker 6 (01:56:01):
Hair hair.

Speaker 13 (01:56:05):
This first row of the congregation, they switch, They.

Speaker 4 (01:56:16):
Thrown them over their head.

Speaker 1 (01:56:17):
Now the girls who all right, okay, I love it.
Here it is place.

Speaker 3 (01:56:29):
We're gonna do an R and B voultron. Okay, you're
gonna build. You're gonna build the RMB artists. Okay, it's
gonna be vocal style presentation performance they bot and their passion.

(01:56:49):
I remember missing one vocal style performance and passion swag
the whole that.

Speaker 6 (01:57:00):
That's fine thing that for.

Speaker 1 (01:57:04):
Sure is there because we've got the coldest wig you
got the.

Speaker 4 (01:57:12):
Rick James baby, he kept that he was outside what
he was outside.

Speaker 1 (01:57:21):
I don't even know if we could have another Rick James.

Speaker 4 (01:57:24):
That's why I'm like, there's certain people wonder.

Speaker 1 (01:57:27):
Because you know what's happening when he's making that song,
Like you know what's going on in that studio session.

Speaker 2 (01:57:36):
And yeah, okay, so yeah, so let's let's start with
the vocals. We'll piece it together.

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
Who are you gonna grab the vocal from to build
your arm b artists, who's a vocal you're taking?

Speaker 4 (01:57:51):
Mm hm, there would have to be yours because I'll
be hearing people without the without the order to live
on the mic.

Speaker 1 (01:57:59):
Who know what they So, yeah, you don't miss Hey,
your niggas are sick for putting auto tune on your mic.

Speaker 4 (01:58:07):
Go ahead because because you don't the kid and they
don't push it because people don't understand allo tune was
not created equally job.

Speaker 1 (01:58:18):
These niggas to be singing with the auto tune message.
Like listen, I literally bought that mic for my kids
that shout out to T Pain and the money he
made that used to sell at this store that doesn't
exist anymore called toys r Us.

Speaker 2 (01:58:33):
Do they have the autoto mic?

Speaker 4 (01:58:35):
They have that and you can order today.

Speaker 1 (01:58:38):
Because I whole T Paint still give. I think he
did hold T Pain because that ship is genius. But listen,
that should not be used on a grand stage. That
should not be because people.

Speaker 4 (01:58:49):
Who use that.

Speaker 5 (01:58:51):
And then when the system go out see where you
know what else we came up at the time, and
not to just remember what we don't need no music?

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
Yeah, I mean, stump your seat because we didn't sang
harmony at least three times today that way.

Speaker 4 (01:59:10):
No rehearsal. And you know what's crazy is I love
too when used correctly, because yeah, I think Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:59:23):
If we came to see a computer, we would go
to a Max show that when the unveil.

Speaker 4 (01:59:31):
The Max Yeah iPhone.

Speaker 1 (01:59:35):
Awards for that what that ye award or whatever one
of them ships, would the nerves be Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:59:45):
And one time I tried it and I was like, wait,
I try to use all the times, like why does
it make me say off?

Speaker 2 (01:59:50):
Because if you have.

Speaker 3 (01:59:53):
Yeah and you gotta you gotta put it was like
a pitch correctly traumatic you sing feel because chromatic very loose.

Speaker 1 (02:00:02):
Yeah, my jo, there's no feeling in auto tune. The
computer don't got her heart.

Speaker 3 (02:00:09):
Don't talk about it a little mold dude though, talk
about it. Listen, we'll take that crazy, We'll take We'll
take the.

Speaker 2 (02:00:17):
Listen. We would take that early Mary J.

Speaker 3 (02:00:20):
Blige with all that feeling and all that grit and
all that time over anything with auto tune on it,
over this.

Speaker 4 (02:00:31):
Because I've seen Mary live and you could see her
every night. She's gonna give.

Speaker 1 (02:00:37):
It everything she's God.

Speaker 5 (02:00:41):
When she passed, we want to pass it out, like
I'll take it if you think I was yelling that
night when you like, I get to be a fan.
I still have the video. She came to Baltimore, so
I put for with d Nights and then Mary came out.
When she does, I said, I hope she does no
more drama. She passed out and she gave her and.

Speaker 4 (02:00:58):
She when she man, Tammy was there and I was
just like, I.

Speaker 3 (02:01:03):
Think I'm not even go off on the tangent, but
I think Mary J. Blige has the perfect song playlists. Yeah,
of maybe any artists. Yeah, so she part of in
terms of music that that really resonates her higher being.

(02:01:24):
Like when Mary sings it.

Speaker 4 (02:01:25):
All songs, you know what I mean too.

Speaker 5 (02:01:28):
It's because when a lot of these artists pople be like,
oh my god, that's my favorite, I'd be like, that's
what's up. I'm not here to pick and choose who
your favorite is. But I love artists that Okay, this
is my set time. I understand that. But Mary's gonna
give you testimony like their times.

Speaker 4 (02:01:40):
They have to keep it, you know.

Speaker 5 (02:01:41):
But she'll talk in between. She'd be like y'all don't
know what I was going through. I was like, I
love when she gets into that bag, like minutes to us,
you're healing. So that's why there betimes I'll be like,
look y'all when I listen, I'm singing all these damn
love songs, but a bitch getting her ass beat at
the house.

Speaker 4 (02:01:58):
Y'all have no idea you for me. So it's just
like you don't know how many people went through paint
so voice you passion Murray like her passion. This is
never gonna be people like, oh my god, that's the
new man. No, there's only.

Speaker 2 (02:02:14):
That. No mayor, there's no and you can't put together
a joousy stop yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:02:19):
Stop, even if y'all be jumping on like or do
you know what I'm saying? You want all the leather
and the No, there will never be another diary of
a mad.

Speaker 1 (02:02:30):
Bond never ever, ever.

Speaker 4 (02:02:32):
Ever, Shoulder after part whatever. They will never be the
style style.

Speaker 1 (02:02:40):
Who put that ship on? Go ahead, do that little
goofy dance that a b be doing. Do the goofy dance.

Speaker 4 (02:02:48):
Doing what you're talking about?

Speaker 2 (02:02:50):
Who dance?

Speaker 8 (02:02:51):
Man?

Speaker 4 (02:02:55):
Const who'll be dressing? The only person that honestly dresses.

Speaker 1 (02:03:02):
Of all time, sometimes all time, all the time. We
got some guys and girl girls get ship.

Speaker 4 (02:03:10):
The only person I know that I'll be like, Yo,
they're gonna like I love the way Mary dresses come
because she's gonna wear boot like she's gonna give you
like when she comes up, she's gonna give.

Speaker 1 (02:03:21):
You Mary and married and they put on TV and
I left the she did you know what just where
she would you would wear on stage.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
We're gonna put that on power tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:03:38):
Yeah, power book.

Speaker 4 (02:03:39):
This is what you're gonna wear because she's gonna give
you like, she's gonna give you that crop like you know,
she's gonna rock out.

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
She's gonna rock out of all time.

Speaker 4 (02:03:50):
That part.

Speaker 2 (02:03:53):
Stage performance.

Speaker 4 (02:03:58):
I'm trying to think that I'd be like like I'd
be like, yeah, I felt that I gotta start going
to shows again because people stuff be so rehearsed, like
there's one thing to rehearse, but.

Speaker 5 (02:04:14):
Then there's like sometimes you just getting that vibe be
like you went you went past yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:04:22):
You like like you just went past the structure. Yeah,
like you tapped into.

Speaker 4 (02:04:26):
Yeah, it's rare for people to tap in. So I'm
trying to think like, what was the show I went
too big in a day? Maybe that was just like
Mary Mary cooking the day she's cooking.

Speaker 3 (02:04:39):
I watched Mary J. Blige on tour in ninety seven.
Every night, sixty cities, sixty arenas sold out, and every uh,
Drew Hill, Genuine and Aliyah all will go right before Mary,
Yeah and bone Thugs were clothes and all the musicians, everybody,

(02:05:01):
background singers, we would all go out and sit in
the audience and watch Mary go.

Speaker 1 (02:05:06):
To work every every night school was in session.

Speaker 4 (02:05:13):
That's why I'm just like people don't realize like people do.
Because she getting what night, she should be higher than that?

Speaker 2 (02:05:24):
Does it?

Speaker 4 (02:05:24):
People come out my throw heard. I'm just saying these
three songs and go home, y'all get y'all money back.

Speaker 2 (02:05:29):
That's out of control.

Speaker 1 (02:05:31):
People like you gotta think about like when you're not
We're not like about the tour. I'm not talking about
one off. I'm about a tour.

Speaker 6 (02:05:42):
You listen.

Speaker 4 (02:05:44):
Let me tell something.

Speaker 1 (02:05:46):
I don't know many people, but it was crazy. A
million yeahs, you.

Speaker 4 (02:05:52):
Know, oh yeah, R and B. And you're right, well,
I think ain't getting that familiar you just said no,
But is she getting to half a bit. She getting
to half a man. But like there's Anita, there's Murray,
Like I.

Speaker 9 (02:06:06):
Think she I think she's Mary is getting almost a
million and show I think she deserves.

Speaker 2 (02:06:13):
Oh, I'm just saying it speaks to you know what
I'm saying what she is.

Speaker 4 (02:06:18):
But I ain't coming out the house if you like,
she ain't got to come. She don't have to come out.
But the let me tell you the blessings is because
like being around her and just like seeing her from
like Missy had me around Murray, you know, you couldn't
really fan out. You'd be like, yeah, I'm gonna go
ahead and get these backgrounds. And then when we were

(02:06:39):
at that the first time I met her and saw
her and I was about to lose my mind was
at the Hot Boys video set. We was at two
o'clock in the morning. My sister had my nephew, I
think he was like one years old then, and Mary
and Latanya had came and we were like, oh my god,
Murray obliged to her child. But you know people it's like, oh,
you're not allowed to talk to them, and I'm like why,
Like this was Mary came to us in our trailer,

(02:07:02):
and she was like, I love y'all wigs. We're gonna
call y'all a pretty wig sister. She was like, where'd
you get those?

Speaker 5 (02:07:08):
I said, my friend that does my hair, the girl
Yasmin that was braiding my hair, was getting the wigs
at a Flatbush avenue for twenty dollars.

Speaker 4 (02:07:14):
She said, twenty dollars. They were charging her.

Speaker 5 (02:07:18):
Wherever they was flying her wings in two thousand dollars
up for the twenty dollars weis. She said, I'm gonna
call y'all a pretty wigs sister. And I remember her
embracing me that night and she was like, keep your
family close because these motherfuckers ain't gonna love you like
your family. And ever since then, when I ride out,
me and my sister got the same mama, same daddy.
Already know I can drink under the table because she

(02:07:39):
ain't gonna let no I can hire all the security
with the gun, let somebody touch your hair on his head.

Speaker 4 (02:07:45):
She's gonna put her life before minds. We learned that
back in ninety nine, and I realized so when I
went on tour with Missy when we were at Jane Lenno,
I had my sister with me anytime I move around
like I can move. She got a whole life in
the family.

Speaker 2 (02:07:57):
What's the first thing I said when you came in here,
how's your sister? You're the first Dan.

Speaker 5 (02:08:04):
Let me tell you what she said. When she was like,
where you going, I said, I'm going to l A.
I'm going with take a Jay talking about you, talking
about I'm the stalker.

Speaker 4 (02:08:12):
I was just like, wants have been here because she
was just like no, like because we've been like, just like,
I don't think you realize. Yeah, you can't leave us.

Speaker 1 (02:08:26):
It's a great vote. That's a great voteron let's get
you just get back to that. It's a great voltron.

Speaker 2 (02:08:31):
That's a great because.

Speaker 5 (02:08:33):
There are some people that can sing. But I just
know that if they put it on now a social
media they posted up today.

Speaker 6 (02:08:41):
To go up.

Speaker 10 (02:08:41):
Yeah, have you ever told with Mary?

Speaker 1 (02:08:44):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:08:45):
I was Twitter's backgrounds with Shana.

Speaker 1 (02:08:47):
We would love to say it again because.

Speaker 2 (02:08:50):
You were dad, you know every now and then.

Speaker 1 (02:08:55):
I just sent a Shana text, Hey, it's me, it's
your friend Jay. We'll go. We would love to go.

Speaker 2 (02:09:01):
I forgot the I know it's a whole female tour.

Speaker 1 (02:09:05):
Ye they're going on female tour and and I look,
I respect, yeah, which your super do.

Speaker 2 (02:09:10):
But at some point, yeah, some point the lord yelling.

Speaker 1 (02:09:17):
The lord leasure a man, sister, oblige, amens to oblige.

Speaker 4 (02:09:24):
That would be I think that would be so dope.
That's R and B.

Speaker 1 (02:09:29):
So we got we got this. Uh, it's one special
part of the show too. Here we go, Okay, here
we go. It's mhm, it's it's a thing. It's becoming
a thing. I know you're not scared because you little more.
But I'm gonna need to be sassy. C for this
one to be sassy. Not young wisdom, not young wisdom,
but more, more, more and more sassy. See the young wist.

(02:09:52):
The portion of the show is called I Ain't saying
o names.

Speaker 4 (02:09:57):
Okay, so what that means?

Speaker 1 (02:10:00):
Story can be funny, are sucked up? Are both got you?
The only rule is that you just can't say the names, and.

Speaker 4 (02:10:09):
The people got to guess who it is.

Speaker 1 (02:10:11):
They can do whatever whatever they want to do, but
you tell us the story, and you just can't say no.
So many stories, you know you do.

Speaker 4 (02:10:21):
Let me try to think, Let me try to think of.

Speaker 1 (02:10:27):
Go ahead and take yourself take yourself my drink.

Speaker 6 (02:10:39):
Here out here, I'm trying to think of.

Speaker 2 (02:10:57):
God.

Speaker 4 (02:10:57):
I got so many childs any.

Speaker 1 (02:11:03):
Are funny and.

Speaker 4 (02:11:08):
Dam let me try to think of a good one.
It's so much that the heppen like, woof God, these
are good questions. I wish you all to send me
to listen. I'm trying to think of like a good
because I have some stuff like ya, and then I

(02:11:29):
got something like what the.

Speaker 6 (02:11:32):
Like mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (02:11:39):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (02:11:41):
Shore God, There's been so much stuff that happened to
the fact that I'm still alive, Like I'm trying to
figure out I'm still here because I've been in some
fun up situation. I'm be like, how does this happen?
I just always want to how does this.

Speaker 4 (02:11:54):
Happen to an R and B person?

Speaker 5 (02:11:56):
Like what's supposed to be almost like gospel when no
weapon form gets weapons.

Speaker 6 (02:12:00):
Is like, I'm.

Speaker 4 (02:12:05):
Get tricky, get tricky, It gets real tricky. I'm trying
to think I can tell you one of the best
advices somebody gave me, and and honestly I used that
through my whole career, and I'm glad because I think
that's the reason why I'm still here. I remember like

(02:12:27):
there was a time.

Speaker 5 (02:12:28):
Where shit was I was out sid and I wasn't
murried and I am no kids, and I remember somebody
they came to me. They was just like mo, Like
they used to tell people, if you do a lot
of features, you'll get oversaturated. Then people get tired of it.
They was like, no, MO, keep going because you have
something that like a.

Speaker 4 (02:12:50):
Lot of people don't have.

Speaker 5 (02:12:51):
Like there's there's faith that's murried, there's cod like there's
Kelly and they were singing re hooks, but they were
just like, MO, like you have something.

Speaker 4 (02:13:00):
All I ax is that?

Speaker 5 (02:13:02):
Cause like yeah, like, because I don't been through that,
I survived to turn up once I got out of
church and I realized.

Speaker 4 (02:13:10):
Oh wait, man, I ain't gonna even leave bird with
the devil.

Speaker 5 (02:13:13):
I just did drugs, drink like, so now when I celebrate,
I'm just like, yo, I beat all the fucking odds.

Speaker 6 (02:13:22):
But when this.

Speaker 5 (02:13:23):
Person told me, they was like, just don't fuck none
of these niggas. But I know they was all these bitches,
like all of them.

Speaker 6 (02:13:35):
All.

Speaker 4 (02:13:38):
I took that and that's what helped me.

Speaker 1 (02:13:41):
Somebody.

Speaker 5 (02:13:41):
It takes me longer to get the where I need
to get but when you walk in the room and
it be everybody from the highest a rep to the
lowest and crap, can't nobody say they hit.

Speaker 6 (02:13:53):
Me from the back.

Speaker 4 (02:14:05):
But it's just like.

Speaker 2 (02:14:08):
They hit me from Do you know how.

Speaker 4 (02:14:12):
Easy it is as a woman when they know when
you when you touch it down and you go.

Speaker 5 (02:14:16):
I was at all the concerts because I was all
the tours and I had access to all everybody.

Speaker 4 (02:14:23):
But it's just like, just do a song with them.

Speaker 1 (02:14:27):
You don't have like these niggas, even the girls who
had gifts.

Speaker 4 (02:14:33):
Yeah, like I get it.

Speaker 2 (02:14:35):
I get the girls who don't have gifts, But at.

Speaker 4 (02:14:39):
The end of the day, I'm glad I didn't. And
then and I'll take the longer road. I don't care.
But like I said, I've been divorced three times. The
wrong niggas job anyway.

Speaker 1 (02:14:49):
You said three times?

Speaker 4 (02:14:51):
Yeah, three times?

Speaker 1 (02:14:52):
Yes, you know you're Elizabeth Taylor.

Speaker 4 (02:14:56):
Christ Jim.

Speaker 1 (02:14:58):
No.

Speaker 4 (02:14:59):
I was just kidding. I know I'm up there, but
it was just like, you know what, that was the
part of me like, it's better than married than the
burn shot.

Speaker 2 (02:15:06):
So would you get made again?

Speaker 4 (02:15:08):
Not to nobody that it's levels, so we will get
married for love.

Speaker 1 (02:15:13):
No, you don't, you better mar you keep going. So
you people had these conversations. They had these conversations all
the time, though about what marriage used to really be about.
It used to be there should be a business.

Speaker 4 (02:15:28):
It was a business ship or I think black people
change that because we used to.

Speaker 2 (02:15:32):
I don't think the others ever married truly for love.

Speaker 4 (02:15:35):
They never did. They always had a bad not the colonizes.

Speaker 1 (02:15:40):
There's always a pleasant it was always I'm watching House
a Dragon right now.

Speaker 2 (02:15:45):
I'm watching House Dragons right now. There is a tricky
situation the other day trying to marry a little.

Speaker 4 (02:15:56):
Dragons.

Speaker 2 (02:15:57):
So it's the it's the Game of Thrones.

Speaker 1 (02:15:59):
It's the pre free to game of thronst and they
got the Game of Throng.

Speaker 2 (02:16:05):
Keep the blood, it's about keeping the family. Yo.

Speaker 6 (02:16:08):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (02:16:08):
What's crazy?

Speaker 1 (02:16:09):
And strength in the in the in the wealth.

Speaker 5 (02:16:12):
But black people are always trying to I got married
one time, I told you I got my Sunday was like,
because my ex was a church musician, are you gonna
get sat down? They came to fund out that church
don't sit people down.

Speaker 1 (02:16:26):
Okay, I don't know what that means.

Speaker 2 (02:16:27):
It means you can't play. No, you can't play.

Speaker 4 (02:16:28):
Well, you're supposed to be saved, so yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (02:16:32):
A time of time time.

Speaker 1 (02:16:33):
If y'all did get married, he wasn't gonna get his
one twenty five a week no more, because I've heard
about those church you go to my number.

Speaker 4 (02:16:42):
Because these musicians now is getting on.

Speaker 2 (02:16:47):
Yeah, was gonna get his one balled up.

Speaker 6 (02:16:53):
One?

Speaker 2 (02:16:56):
Why you want me to go to the bank and
cash took that off?

Speaker 4 (02:17:00):
Maybe like we we can't. Hey were like, well you
might as.

Speaker 2 (02:17:05):
Well keep it. They told him if y'all don't get.

Speaker 5 (02:17:07):
Married, somebody told her that must have been a down
South tradition. But come to find out that the church
was like, no, we don't sit people down.

Speaker 2 (02:17:15):
And I was just like, damn, So I was already
I was already pregnant.

Speaker 4 (02:17:20):
So then I had got married, like after the Bible study.

Speaker 5 (02:17:23):
Definitely they would sit you down and you had a
baby down South, and then the baby wanted up being
your sister brother child.

Speaker 4 (02:17:29):
Yeah, I came him up in the child you know,
and sisters is really mothers and daughter.

Speaker 3 (02:17:34):
Yeah, oh right, wouldn't get ex communicated from the.

Speaker 1 (02:17:38):
Yeah, you know, like a lifetime movie. That was really
how traumatizing that was to realize that your mama noted to.

Speaker 4 (02:17:47):
Be like almost like a scarlet letter type vibe. Not
all you're gonna burn the hell now you got you
have to know to get pregnant. Like wait, I didn't
have nerve to do nothing, you know what I'm saying.
But that was just like I'm glad niggas ain't going
for that no more, just like it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (02:18:01):
Yeah, period, But you're talking to church talk.

Speaker 14 (02:18:04):
That is, if you can survive the church early church
to fire and brimstone, are you going to help everything?

Speaker 4 (02:18:15):
I used to think I was going to hell if
I didn't never think.

Speaker 1 (02:18:19):
I never thought I was going to And I was
doing everything. Hell was at my heels.

Speaker 4 (02:18:27):
Curse until I turned like till I got.

Speaker 2 (02:18:29):
Started doing R and B U til two years out
of high school, we need to yeah, all church. I was,
it's a grown man.

Speaker 6 (02:18:36):
Yeah, to.

Speaker 2 (02:18:39):
Graduated eighteen to like almost twenty, let's start doing R
and B and and it was and it was even
I was inching my way in. I was like, well,
I'm gonna just be like boys to me, you know
what I'm saying, And I'll be boys to men Babyface.

Speaker 1 (02:18:52):
Yeah, the Sickle of Minight.

Speaker 2 (02:18:55):
That's what I'm going And then and then I got
hold of at R Kelly. You didn't yeah with no
Rick James, no Prince.

Speaker 1 (02:19:02):
I grew up.

Speaker 2 (02:19:03):
I heard some of the music, but I grew up
on what I grew up on. You know, you don't
know nothing about dirty mind.

Speaker 3 (02:19:09):
What I grew up on, like listening was able to
like when my father had was a baker yep, he
had guy yep, and he had a new addition.

Speaker 1 (02:19:19):
That was the that was you know it was in
my house.

Speaker 4 (02:19:25):
No I want to I know, Oh that's another person
that say your house. Joe, he will be sleeping.

Speaker 1 (02:19:33):
On him was a monster. They the better wake. They
as his tone.

Speaker 2 (02:19:39):
Monster killer, killer, and he knows it.

Speaker 1 (02:19:44):
He knows.

Speaker 4 (02:19:45):
They tried to take off the intro to the parl
and they and they tried to switch it out with
and the people was the next week that they.

Speaker 2 (02:19:51):
Were back to rug got so bad and trade was
like I didn't even ask, I didn't ask. They just
put me on this. I don't just want to get out.

Speaker 3 (02:20:02):
Like Joe is just Joe just has that again that
voice that can that can cover so much ground, whether
it be whether it be dirty hip hop or loves
his voice.

Speaker 4 (02:20:13):
Just like he like, how does he know?

Speaker 6 (02:20:17):
I want to know.

Speaker 2 (02:20:19):
I wrote and produced for y'all. I love Joe.

Speaker 4 (02:20:21):
I'm a credit read I come from there. When you
get to see he unfold that yo, I used to be.

Speaker 1 (02:20:28):
Y'all see who on this?

Speaker 2 (02:20:30):
Okay, Okay you nice?

Speaker 3 (02:20:32):
Yeah yeah, okay, Well listen, we don't want to take
up all your time because you know your family, so
you know, yeah, you are here.

Speaker 2 (02:20:44):
This is always home for you always. I love you
and you are family to us.

Speaker 6 (02:20:48):
You know that.

Speaker 3 (02:20:49):
We're just letting everybody else know this his family. You
got something bad to say about a little more? Protect yourself?
Protect yourselfs like.

Speaker 2 (02:21:02):
Tricky. Yeah, he's like like like people look at me.
People look at me, and I think it's me.

Speaker 8 (02:21:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:21:10):
I want to know.

Speaker 4 (02:21:12):
Because I'm like, oh my god, he's so nice. He's so.

Speaker 6 (02:21:17):
And I love it.

Speaker 4 (02:21:19):
That's a perfect balance to be like, you know, just
and that like, man, we're gonna suck you up night.

Speaker 2 (02:21:25):
Yeah man, I can't.

Speaker 1 (02:21:26):
I can't. He's like, man, fu blood all right.

Speaker 5 (02:21:37):
He's saying what he would be saying what I want
to say because I knew i'd be saying some stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:21:42):
I was from the area.

Speaker 1 (02:21:45):
We don't gag bags. So blood is young blood for us.
Don't don't get confused.

Speaker 4 (02:21:50):
Don't, but I love it. It's no great area, the area.

Speaker 1 (02:21:54):
And I like you.

Speaker 4 (02:21:56):
Yeah, they don't they know like we might know.

Speaker 1 (02:22:00):
But anyway, you are you, You are absolutely amazing.

Speaker 3 (02:22:04):
You are you are, you are not. You are not
old news. You know you are from an old school,
but you are still new. You are still in the building,
you are still on these stages. You still have your
look you.

Speaker 2 (02:22:19):
Saying you.

Speaker 3 (02:22:24):
Have you have as your word been preserved for a
time like this, And what a time for everybody at
this moment to be trying, you know, to prove that
R and B is still a lot and still a
thing and get and guess who's just been sitting waiting

(02:22:47):
for everybody to realize that. Yeah, and here we are, ye,
so on behalf of the Army Money Podcast. We want
to thank you, appreciate you. And this this was this
was flowers for you.

Speaker 1 (02:23:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:23:01):
Never really gotten any flowers before. This whole thing has
been about making sure you get your flowers. Were celebrated,
were celebrating you know know what I'm saying, well all
a little more. Every everything from John b Key to
jay Z that part were celebrating a little more.

Speaker 2 (02:23:19):
So you listen. My name is Tank Valentine and this
has been the R and B Money Podcast, the authority
on all things featuring our sister, loved one, our blood.

Speaker 1 (02:23:37):
Yeah, money, Money

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