June 7, 2023 • 58 mins
On this week's episode of The R&B Money Podcast, Tank and J Valentine welcome the legendary Steven Russell. Steve is an iconic force in R&B whose vocals and pen have riddled the music business since he was a teenager in Troop. As he unwinds the tapestry of his career and life, his unique perspective is laden with wisdom, not solely about music but with his reflective experience with ego, the higher self, and the universal laws of alignment and attraction. Enjoy Lil Steve Russell Now on The R&B Money Podcast!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:10):
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Speaker 4 (00:11):
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Wing spreaders, huh, come on fly, come on. Whole whole
line dedicated to the name of the group. Yeah, you know,
clothing line. You know I'm talking about some steppers. Help me.
Steppers call them my nesty. They say birds of a feather.
(00:52):
What they do flock together. Okay, I got my brother
in the builder, my loved one. We have created magic together.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yes, we had to get to talk about it all
right here on the Army Money podcast. Get up, Yes,
that's yeah true.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
The legendary, legendary Yeah yeah, West Coasting.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
That's a din in the house. I'm reminded of a
story you told me. I want.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I want to get on two things first before we
paused that. The first story you told me you came
in to I forget where you were.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
You were like.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Backstage somewhere or something, and uh songs was doing good right,
you know, you was popping and you had your shades on,
you know, your your your I'm doing this ship shades on. Yeah,
and a guy by the name of jel LeVert walked
up to you and said, not yet, not yet.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
No, he did turn your LIFs down. Listen your light. Yeah, relax,
you know.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
I feel you, Bro, but one more record at least, Bro,
just pace it not this moment. And I respected it.
But my feet were off the ground. David Blade, Yeah,
(02:23):
where was this? We had a show together, Rude Boys,
Men at Large, Jeli Image Awards, Wow, and we were
doing the Temptations. And this was the third Oh my god,
this was the third album. I had went through my
(02:45):
college days with Chuckie and Babyface and everybody, the first two.
The third album, I went in and put my work in,
through the litigation and all that. I was in the
studio one percent of the time, and I thought I
was ready, you know. I thought I had not reached
where I wanted to be, of course, but I thought
I was in a place where where I was solid
(03:12):
as a creator, you know. And we were getting ready
to do the Temptation. And mind you, we had been
on a road killing it Hammer Keith, I mean all
the rappers were killing it. You know, we're new addition
in our bubble. Yeah, completely, and so we're getting ready
(03:34):
to do this temptation thing. So man, what I am
David ruffin tonight.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Guy? Right?
Speaker 5 (03:43):
And you know, I loved Gerald so much because that's
not the only time that Gerald, you know, Joel was
like a big brother to me. But I love him
and I appreciate that moment so much because we don't
know when God in the flesh is talking to you,
dealing with you.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, You're gonna speak to you through something, through somebody.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Yeah, come on, and it's up to you to know
his face when you see for sure, you know. And
because I like to learn and like to grow. And
I was such a big GERLD fan period when he
said that, I was able to say, Okay, Steve, I
feel what he's saying.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Because I'm.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Anybody else, anybody else, anybody else said it, you probably
would not have.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I know you're talking to yes, bro, I'm number one.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I'm number one, as you're telling me this, excuse me,
excuse me.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Right now, at least in this second.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Now, everybody everybody wears shades now, but I didn't do that.
But everybody wearing sh now. But back then, if you
had on some shades.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
It was.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
You know, I had lines. You know, I'm designed up,
made over new grill. You know, I had porcelains in
the nineties.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I was the first thing Caniga smiling.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You know, I'm you know, just you know, keeping it real.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Gerald was one of the guys that always pulled my coattail,
but he always pushed me forward at the same time. Yeah,
you know, I remember we did our Senior Hall second album,
I'm Not Suited. We didn't know New Audition was gonna
be there, and you know, Gerald was always my.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Round table guy.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
You know, I didn't have any brothers and stuff growing up,
but Jerald he was the guy I always called just
for whatever. So I was real nervous and scared, you know,
and he was pumping, Man, man, you're gonna do great man, y'all.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
You know, you the ship man, you know whatever.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
So I remember after we finished I'm Not suit Bro,
he called me crying.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Man, your niggas is great, man, You niggas is great.
I told you, I told you, man. He's so passionate.
You know, he's so passionate.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
He was so happy that we killed it the way
we killed it because he's rooting for the under he
wants us to kill it, and we killed it, bro,
and he called me he was so proud.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I'll never forget that. Wow, Rest in peace, man.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
And then another other story. When we first got the building,
I was like, man, I was like, what.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Are you doing on the roof right? I'm working with
my birds?
Speaker 4 (06:30):
I said, what what are you doing here?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Birds? He said, yeah, my pitch and my birds. I
said what.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
So from him, you know, and we'll get more into
that so you can really explain that. But from there
is me, and you just began to hang out more
and happen more.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
You know. He's like, he's like, na, we're nesty. I said,
what is a nasty had two eggs?
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Mans?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah? You like my master.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
So take us back, Take us back, Steve too the
very beginning, like where does the star for you?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Where is it?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Like?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
You know, okay, I got something, I'm finding something, I'm
tapping into something. As this young kid.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
I was, I was an only child with my you know,
single parent home, my mom and my grandmother. Her mother
used to always tell my mother that boy is special
my entire life, and because I loved her so much,
that meant something to believe whether I knew what it was.
(07:48):
I believe that because she said it, and she said
it a year after.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
You make sure you keep him with drawing paper. Do
you know this boy can draw?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Because I was with her this summer in Texas and
that Marilla, bless her heart. Anyway, it started from that
her saying this to me. So fast forward fourteen years old, enter.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
In high school.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
She passes from an aneurysm before I even become fifteen.
So I'm dealing with her not seeing me manifesting anything right.
And I was walking on campus when I first got there,
and I saw myself homeless actually, and I was older
(08:37):
and I was on the street, bro, and it scared
the living shit out of me. And from that moment,
it was either football or music. Because I grew up
I was popular as a dancer in Pasadena.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I was one of the only little kids.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
You knew, this little dude, he's always danced, you know.
And then I went into Michael Jackson, and I was
super popular doing Michael Jackson. I was famous doing Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
I was Mike at twelve, and so I already loved
the fans. I used to make people happy doing Mike,
and I fell in love with that. I fell in
love with making people feel good because it made me
feel good, you know. And that was all connected with that,
seeing myself homeless and wanting to be something for my
(09:29):
grandmom and my mom. All that was the moment where
it was like, okay, so on, I don't care what
it is. It's either football. I was playing football against
my mom's will.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I was good.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
I got over my fear of defensive back. I got
over my fear of hitting. It was over once I
knew I was hitting you monster. So anyway, it was
either that or singing. And I started giving demo tapes
around in the studios in Pasadena. I would record what
were you recording on UH eight recorder cassette recorded those
(10:02):
great cassette recorders.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Bro, you pressed, You have to press real hard to
get it to record.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
Playing record. At the same time with the Little Black.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Mic No, I was singing Jermaine Jackson, Dude, what you
do when you did?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
What you did?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Tell how Jermaine had a hit to it, because you know,
sleep you record record he did on Jermaine's name.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Man, that song was us, So you know, yeah, I
was passing my sorry, I was passing my demo around
and then a guy from school that I knew that
played sports and stuff said, hey, man, you got to
watch us this weekend.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
We on this show called Putting on the Hits and
it was a litsen show.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Yeah you know so, and I was like, you won't
Putting on the Hit you played basketball. So I watched it.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I went home and they was getting down cooler than now.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
I mean bust so I was telling my mom. I
was like, I'll go to school these dudes, you know.
So anyway, they won week fast forward. He's we got
these big talent shows. Back then, it was always huge
city talent shows, so we were getting prepared for one
of those. The lady who was running the talent show
wanted me to get them. At the same time, someone
(11:20):
had contacted Putting on the Hits to find out if
that group could sing, but they wasn't a singing group.
So he was looking for me while I was looking
for him, and when we run into each other, I'm like, Rodney,
I need you for this talent show. He was like
talent show. He was like, yo, a producer called the show.
I want to know if we can sing, bro, I
need you in my group. I need you in my group. Bro,
(11:42):
you gotta talk to my mom.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I need you because how old are you? Guys are
fifteen years old.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
We're cute freshmans.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
We're freshmans, bro.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
And of course I just made this decision.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Work.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I had just made the win at all costs.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Here comes Rodney. I need you in the group. So
of course, fast forward.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
John John was.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
In one of my thriller groups when I was doing
mic so he came along. He found out I was
in the group.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
He made he bullied hisself. That's my god, you know.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
So you know Alan came shortly thereafter, and you know
we rehearsed every day, bro.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
So start off with four.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Well it was well, it was it was four because
one of the original members was sticking around, our buddy Shane.
He was still believing a little but that ran out
for him, you know, And that was I had already
met Alan uh singing in a park or something. So
I remember this guy I can sing. I know, Rodney
him and looking at me like, I'm this guy, but
I need a singer in the group, you know what
(12:55):
I'm saying. So when Shane made space for Alan, boom
and that was five.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
Of a kind, Bro, what you said, Well, Reggie and Rodney.
Reggie and Rodney were the originals, and they were the
originals that went on putting on their heads, and Reggie
stayed him and Rodney were the two originals that remained
from that putting on the hits.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
And from there, Man, we rehearsed every day, day in
day out. And now that I'm older and i've I've
learned some stuff about what life is about. I look
back now, like in hard times or when I feel
like it's a struggle going on, and I remember rehearsing
and not being on the sidewalk.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
There would come a time in rehearsal that I was
on stage in front of thousands of people, and by
the time the rehearsal was over, I was back before
I got in the eleventh grade. Were signed to Atlantic Records.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Bro, this is about a two year process.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Yes, you know, to get the development, Yes, for us
to get our stuff together, but no, we developed. We
got signed June second, on a Tuesday in eighty six. Wow,
so we still had work to do. But the manifestation
from the visualization is real. It's really really real, man,
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And all of us was on one accord, So it
was nothing the universe could do but just move it
out of the way. By the time I was in
twelfth grade, Mama Citu.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Was almost number one.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
You know what, man, My classmates got to see me
on Donnie Simpson after all of those years of saying, oh,
we're coming out next month.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
So by the time we get to the twelfth grade.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
But before that, are you guys already? True? No, five
of a con, five of a con.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
We're the guys in the twelfth grade, before we before
that record comes out.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
We're the guys. But our group was the guys, and
there was a.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Group called Guy that had a release date before hours
a couple of weeks groove me wow, yes, and we
had to change our name bro, and we already had
to day wait.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So at the same time Teddy and him got Guy,
y'all got the Guy.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
We were the guys, but y'all signed too, and yeah
we were signed the guys.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
So okay, So and didn't even know about Is there
a brainstorming meet? Yes, West Coast, East coast? Is there
a brainstorming meeting of like, what are we going to call?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
No question? How does that go?
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Merlyn Bob rest in peace. He's Sylvie Rome's right hand man,
but he was our handler, you know, we were his ships.
He got us on the phone and said we need
a name now this second. So everybody was scrambling for
a second. And you know me, I'm a download guy.
So as soon as I got the download Troopers, we
had a dance. We were already doing the Truth.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
That's us.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
You know what I'm saying. We're not a new addition
with true, my nigga.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
And that's how it happened.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
I said, with the True, and everybody at simultaneous like
that's it, that's it, and Maryland hung up the phone
and then Alan sat there for a couple of seconds
and came up with total respect of other people, and
that was it.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Wow, number one record. I didn't know that number one record.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
After the number one record, we never flopped, bro, we
never felt the feeling of a defeat on a charting record.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Give me because I know you yeah, I know you know,
I know it.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Give me twelfth grade with a hit record. How is
that well floated? I'm sure he was flowing.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
All of us know each other like the people that
we went to school, which you've been in school with
him since second grade, So we know everybody. So you
already have built up the people who knew you weren't
not gonna make it. You already have that crowd. You
have the crowd who's rooting for you, and you got
the crowd that know you're gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
So we had.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Stopped talking about what we were doing well before we
got like by the time we got the record deal
and all that, we wasn't going to school hoping people
believed us anymore.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So we were just.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Regular right when we got on Donnie Simpson's couch, that
couch when we came back to school, this is the
last week of school, Bro, you got four more days.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
You're out video. So when we came back that.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Monday from being on video, so bro, that four days
was the best four days of our high We were
on the couch, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
How big that was. I made the couch, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
And then I found out that the elevator wasn't real
because I tried to the elevator.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And I'm like, man, I want to get on the elevator.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Right, that's true.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And it was a wonderful experience.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Man.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Was there a particular young lady That's all he wanted
to know if you had to go use your flag,
was there a particular young lady that you had had
your eyes on, and maybe it was maybe it was
a little difficult, Maybe it was just a little challenging,
you know what I'm saying. But you know what I'm saying,
before the couch, but then right after the couch to
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you know, to get.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Back in retaliation. The reciprocation was.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
It was just on a different level where it was like,
I've always had my eye on you a lot of it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
A lot of it. I was a crusher.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
I was the quiet guy that you know, I like
particular girls. I didn't just like everybody, but I liked
that special little thing, you know, And I didn't always match,
it didn't always align, you know. But I had a
girlfriend during high school. Crystal was my high school sweetheart.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
But yeah, I was a flirt.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
I was out there and yeah once, uh, that little
one bedroom apartment turned into a nice Beverly Hills little retreat.
No no, no, yeah right there in Pasaden, in that
same one bedroom apartment, so.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
He turned it into it for Beverly Hills Retreat.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Okay, yeah, yeah, you know you always.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
That one apartment in the hood that got the leather couch.
Everybody know about that. Get that bunk bit out of
here and bring that water.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
It was nice.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
And I wasn't. I didn't.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
I didn't take advantage of it like.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I could have, but I appreciated.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
I did appreciate.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Feel like the people who took advantage of it like
they quote unquote should.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Have, they didn't survive. And I didn't do that. Bro,
you got a patient, Yes, I did have to patience.
I did, man, I did. I mean the entire time. Man,
we got on the road.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Man, I used to room with Reggie, and Reggie was
a person professional already. This definitely wasn't his first time
around touring or none of that.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
When we got out on the road, he was already
max savvy. He already knew. Yeah, he knew and.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Ready.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
You know.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
You how do you know how to I mean grown?
I mean bringing grown women.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I'm like your kids. I was like, I couldn't believe
he'd come in the room with somebody.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I just rolled with all the cover.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
I start saying that put the nigga shineing, shout.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Rest in peace. Wow. Crazy, We had a ball man.
We had a ball who's.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
The first tour? Yeah, oh, the first tour. Maama Sita
is going crazy.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
We did a ninety city too, by ourselves.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
We did a ninety city tour. How many days does
it take you all to do ninety cities?
Speaker 5 (21:14):
People were crying and everything before it was over with,
and airports.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Crying broke down.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Everybody went through hell, I want to go home.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Oh, and we laughed at everybody that we laughed and
everybody who went through it, and everybody went through it.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
We did a ninety city tour by ourselves.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Every skating rink across the country, every boys club, girls
girls club, schools, every every school, everything that you could
think of. Truth was there. And that's why we're able
to exist today because we were the people. We were
eating at people's houses. We were those guys old school though.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
That's what you see in the school ray. And we
did that.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
We did that. That was we We lived that. And
people love us for thirty years because they remember when
they were four and we were at their house and
the neighbors. The whole block was lit because truth was there.
No shooting, no fighting, nothing, love. One hundred people on
the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Really over here and they really over here because we
was hot, were on fire.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
But we never did get to experience what a lot
of successful groups experienced, like a new addition or Joe
to see or boys to men.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
We were right on the cusp. You know, why do
you think that was energy within the group? Of course? Okay?
Speaker 5 (22:52):
And you know universal laws lack attracts like you know,
when you get off course with that, you're still attracting,
you know, when you lose the appreciation and the abundance
that that's bestowed up on you being here, when you
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lose focus of that, and you allow. They didn't teach
us about the ego, right. They told us that the
ego was self centered. And if you don't self centered
with Jay, who's gonna self center with you? You know,
you gotta be self centered in order to be in
alignment with yourself. Right, So anyway, they miseducated us about
the ego. They didn't tell you that the ego comes
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with your flesh when you borrow it to get some
expansion in this body, that you got a part of
yourself that hates your guts, that's going to remind you
of every ill thing that has ever been perceived by
you at any time, because your ego comes with you,
even if you're a baby. The ego's there, right.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
So.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Going through beat up by an ego that you don't
even know this, there's like being in a ring with
somebody that got gloves on and they pounded on it
and you don't even know You're in a boxing match.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
You know, living that kind of life where the egos
gas tank is full, the higher self, the soul side,
that creative side that was rehearsing and visualizing. Once you
get hit records and you make money and now it's
turned into work. Now it's turned Now you have family
(24:29):
and now you dig steve from truth.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Now you married.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Now you're taking care of a family, youngster.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
You know, yes, requirements, yeah right.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Ego is there waiting the whole time because the ego
didn't like it when you were famous and feeling good
about yourself. So now you feel in a certain kind
of way. You feeling this, You've been in TGT. Come on, man,
you know how it goes when you're not in alignment.
You're not in alignment. There's not a lot of attraction
coming your way as a unit and you got three
different energies going on in one bubble, it just doesn't happen.
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And that's what happened with us, man. Just like in
the Temptations movie, the money made different people different who
they really were. And oh my god. You know, like
I told you me, I'm not ashamed. I was a
perfection idiot.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
You know.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
I knew I was over the edge in that way,
but it was for the all. I wasn't walking around
talking about Steve Russell, you know, I wasn't saying Steve
and true you know, it never turned into that. My
focus was always for the body of the entity. But
when you're growing and you're getting to know yourself. We
were kids, man. When you're growing and you're getting to
(25:42):
know yourself and you're learning all of these different things,
and ego is there telling you what you're not, what
you should have been, keeping you, you know, keeping you
lacking something. It can destroy everything, bro, you know, And
that's what happened with us. We were not able to
maintain enough frequency to keep attracting what we ultimately wanted
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with success and wealth, you know, the the egotistical niggas
shit makes you make bad decisions. And when I say
nigga shit. I don't mean black people shit. I mean ignorant,
not knowing shit. When you get into living in a
not knowing thing, uh an ego, you can't vibrate in anything, bro,
(26:34):
Now life starts. Now you forget that you got that
you can vibrate in anything. You got bills to pay,
you don't even know you're creator no more.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Depression a slave to it. You become a slave to it,
you know, so now you're depressed. Was there a spokesman
for the group like that?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Within the group that was that everybody was like, you know,
the level head and the person and that was having
the conversations with you know, multiple members to keep everything
together or try to.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Rodney was that guy. But Rodney lost his power when
me and Alan became the two guys to make the decisions,
and then we were at each other's throat when when
the cane and abels started, which I tried to prevent
the entire time, because Alan was different. When I found
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when he lived with me, it was different. And I'm
not you know, we all are different, but I'm just
saying the energy that we had Alan wasn't that. Alan
was much more mature. He wasn't physical on me and you.
He was not into none of that type of you know,
we was wow bro. So anyway, that manifested eventually with
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money and you know, you got your crew. Everybody in
the group ended up having six niggas that they hung with.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
You know, how would y'all have individual buses onto it
or okay, we wanted it. We wanted I mean, you
know it's tough.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Man, but you know, when you lose focus, when you
lose energy, when you lose the energy that connects you
to manifestation, you have a journey. Now you have to
go through these things that you're creating. They didn't tell
us that we were creating the picture. They taught us
that life happens to us. But you're creating it. You're
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up there on stage looking good because you create that.
You believe in tank, people believe in you. Lack attracts
like you know, if you believe you ain't shit in
the world is against you. God is going to agree
with you. He's not going to disagree with you because
he's already imparted himself in you, and you don't know it.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I'm not gonna play games with you. I'm God. You
ain't shit.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Okay, I'm not going to prove myself to you.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
You think you broke.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
You believe in lack because you don't see money in
your pockets. You think that's me. That's the true that
you see an empty piece of fabric.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
You believe that. Okay.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
The grace of God is measured by the grace of
you on your motherfucking self.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Mhmm.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
God is gonna agree with you as you agree with you,
as you love you and believe in you.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
He's gonna cheer you on.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Come on, you got it as you see ship that's
not there, but you feel good about it anyway. Now
he really cheering.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Now he's got the pomp.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Come on, tank, it ain't even manifesting you feeling good.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Baby, come on. That's how it works.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
But they don't teach us that. So in my experience,
I had to learn that the tough way, you know.
I had to relearn that I'm a piece of God,
having a physical experience, able to create things from thought
in the physical manifestation.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
We did it.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
We did it together, okay, because we have we have to.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
We have to give the journey. We got to give
the journey, and your journey is amazing. Like we all
know that, and we've all been a part of that
journey with you. I mean, you know, I remember you
told me during our underdog days, which we'll get to,
you were like Jay, you know, we never had this
conversation because she was a kid, he was younger. You know,
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your father helped me and I remember us having that
conversation and I never knew about that, you know what
I mean, I never knew that, you know, he had
helped you in a situation in this business and and
was able to, you know, assist in some you know,
good dudes.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Some things that you needed to you know, have to
take care of, and he loved and we've all, you.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Know, we've all had, you know, uh, a piece of
each other's journey that brings us here today. So when
Troop disbands, what is that like for you? At that
moment when you're like, Okay, I gotta figure because how
old are you at this point?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
You still what? Yeah, late twenties, bro, Well you got
to figure out your new life.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
It was scary because I grew up an only child
and like I tell you, you don't know about the egos,
so you don't know that there's this thing recording everything.
So for me being an only child and having those brothers,
good or bad, indifferent, whatever I had them, you know,
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and then you have the higher self saying, steve your first.
Put yourself first, dear one, you know, put yourself first.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
You know.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
So my battle was that the entire time of you know,
and my mom, she really helped me. She was the
one that said, look, son, you got all these songs.
You need to focus on you. Let others get your
songs to other people. There are people not having problems
in the group that need your records.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I never take start placing the records.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Listen when I tell you I was blind, I told you,
he go blind you I'm nothing.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Now.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
We messed up our record deal. You know it's shit now,
and you know you believe that. If you believe it,
you're going to experience it.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
And I was in it.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
And my mom said, son, you got all these records.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Man.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
I never sold any of my equipment never. I always
knew if I had something to offer, I was okay, right,
So at my lowest love, my mom said, you need
to leave troop alone. You need to allow troop to
breathe without you. You need to you need to give
Troop a break and give yourself an opportunity to see
what life has for you, as Steve Russell, because you
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are are you are Steve, you know. And I Randy
Jackson used to work at MCA from American. I write
a song called I Wonder Why.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I Wonder Why. I Wonder Why, I Why.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Some jodasy sound of song, but it wasn't that. But anyway,
he gave me twenty five thousand dollars to do that
song on a group he had called Jersey Avenue.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I remember Jersey Avenue.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
I produced a record for them bro called I Wonder Why,
And that turned everything around.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
And I had.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Already prior to that, ran into a guy named Vasill Befford,
and I was I was producing for Vasall Bedford and
I met this guy, this engineer we hired named Harvey.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Mason, young guy. His dad was this famous drummer.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
And me and this guy, Harvey Visas was always gone.
You know, he got somebody doing music for him. You know,
he come in and polish that's it.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I was gone.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
So me and this kid, Harvey Mason, man, we become
like two p's in the pods on the writing. You
know at first he's just engineering and tripping off of
my vocal arrangements and ship.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Like, man, why are you doing that? Man?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
You know it's hard science.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
He wants the science. So I was like a science
project for him because as he's engineering, he's listening to
how I'm doing my vocal rams. I'm all laid back
because I'm picking up from Allen and everybody I'm around.
I'm a part of drill every I got everybody. In
my late twenties, I was ready, you know, creatively. So
you know he's he's figuring out what I'm doing, and
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before you know it, we're writing songs together.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I mean bad records, bro.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Just me and him vasales lock us in the studio.
It wouldn't give us the key.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Me and Harvey have to shake.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
The only way we could stay warm after we get
tired is to sleep under the SSL because of the
heat that's under the SSL, and me and Harvey in
the studio sleep into versad coming.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
And this is after you've had record.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
This is this is the new journey of Steve becoming
a songwriter.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Look camera Steve and tell them how this ship really goes? Man,
And if you really love this thing that we're in.
What you gotta go through sometimes, what you're willing to
go through.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
You gotta be willing to go through what you consider
being uncomfortable. You gotta be willing to go through with
blinders on when they's so foggy you can't you can't see.
But you gotta open your motherfucking ears up and keep
walking straight.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
You gotta.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
You gotta keep walking, even if you gotta take little
tiny chopping steps.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Just keep your feet moving. You've played sports.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Keep your feet moving, chop your feet, keep walking, keep
moving because you're on your way. Everything that is coming
against you in perception is there to move you forward.
Everything is all good. There's nothing in your journey against
you from a lestation. No daddy, no mother, nothing is
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against you. You're molested. The absent mother, the absent father,
all have agreed to do a job for you here
to move you forward. But if you fall in love
with the gift and forget the gift giver, you'll worship
the molestation and.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Be robbed in your life.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
If you have abusive father, abusive mother, you fall in
love with that and the agony because that you have
an ego, you have this flesh that loves pain, it
loves the long and I wish I was like Tank.
Oh I wish I could get in shape. Oh I wish. See,
that's the ego and the flesh. Get your ass on
the floor and do it right. That's the choices that
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you have to make. But you have to know that
everything is all good. And that's very tough when you're
sleeping in your car and tomorrow you don't know what
you're gonna do. But if you get up that morning,
out of that sleeping car and they head to the studio,
your ass is on the right track.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
You get what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Because when I was working with you guys before, before Tank,
right at the beginning of the Underdogs, was when I
had moved back from Rialto. This is me from my
mom's motivation. Now I'm back, Harvey, Harvey came. I forgot
to tell you I'm writing songs. After I did that
song from Randy Jackson, I'm stealing this. My mom had
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some apartments. She did right by what I gave her.
She has these apartments, so she has some stuff set up.
Come on, man in the hood. In Rialto in the Hood,
she had an apartment. Y'all come and get this. I
lost the house. Y'all come and stay in this apartment
and get to you get your ship right.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Mom's on my team. Wow, come get to this apartment.
We sprayed this motherfucker down, you know, spread down to
get up in here.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
It ain't gonna be that long. This was mom, bro,
and you know, and now it was over. It felt
like this was I'm in Rialto. How the fuck did
I get in Rialto? But the god side, my god
self was so appreciative. I was so appreciative of that apartment. Man,
(38:09):
my first wife. No, nigga, you done fell off my nigga.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
This ain't hurt.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Saying, but this is the reality feeling. Yeah, I'm finna
move to Compton. I'm going to move back with my mom.
I'm out of here right. I'm focused on having something
to offer. I just proved to myself from that placement
that I'm okay. I still got some breath in me.
(38:36):
So I'm focused. I'm writing. I'm writing.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Steve's Harvey Mace. What a man, What a man you
still were? Rodney. Uh, you know, I'm kind of we leave.
I'm out of that.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
But I met this guy we're going to create this
writing team. Damon Winning picked his guy, so I'm picking
my guy. I know you like writing by yourself, but
I think this would be great for your career.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
I think this would be good for us. Bro.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Just come and check us out and see if you
want to vibe with us.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Right underdogs.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Jay Valentine's the main writer, already got a smash.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I like them.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
I'm coming in will murder. That's my guy right there.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
They don't even realize we know each other. Yeah, they
have no idea when he's baby. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
When he said he got ja, I said, okay, Jay,
he's growing right.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
So we love them. These guys we.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
Love They were our group.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Man, we love them so much.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
So just the thought of that was a And I'm
a super positive dude anyway. You know, I'm not a hater.
I was blessed not to be envious. I don't have
envy me, so it's always good with me.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
So that was perfect.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
When he said, Jay Valentine's like, oh shit, you know, so.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
That was the.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
Universe obliging my willingness to still have.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Not belief.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Belief is whack, faith enough to still persevere creatively when
there's nothing to be creative for. So it seems egotistically, what.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Are you doing this for? No, but you're in reality,
you're the hood buddy.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Now to remind you the ego and make you kill
somebody and then say you never do that. No, the
ego is the worst part of it, I'm telling you, man.
And there needs to be more conversation, especially amongst us
getting of age, separating ourselves, especially when we deal with
our women, man, introducing them to that part of themselves
that they believe is them. When you're feeling off, that
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ain't you baby?
Speaker 1 (40:49):
You know?
Speaker 5 (40:50):
And once we stop claiming the egos thoughts and the
egos feelings, your journey is a little easier because you
know how you want to feel in every moment when
you when you're off, you know, it's the ego. When
you have a part of yourself trying to explain something
to you, trying to convince you of some shit, the
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ego higher self is gonna say, hey, go left and
give you the opportunity to respect that Jesus and self
relationship or not, the higher selling is gonna explain shit
to you because it got another life.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
We can do anyway.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
It doesn't matter even if you don't get it this time,
it doesn't matter, right, the ego is.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Going to be trying to convince you.
Speaker 5 (41:31):
No, Jay, Man, we might Man, shit, we could get
this man, and you know how like say, ay, tank Man,
just come do the show, bro, And I know this
ain't your fee, but man, you know it's a lot
of people gonna be there. We're gonna have some promoters there.
It's gonna be some This guy is supposed to be there.
And your ego is saying, now you've already made a
standard from the higher self and loving self, I'm not
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going lower than this.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
The ego. Oh man, the people gonna be there.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Man.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
You know, man, you might get another opportunit needed out
of this one, you know, pulling you to challenge yourself,
you know. And we need to people need to have
those conversations about ego because you have thoughts and feelings
that are manifesting, especially now that everything is changing energetically.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Is more than ever. You need to know and be
solid on.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Your relationship with your ego because the decisions that you're
making now in this time, we can't afford to make
egotistical and I don't mean arrogant I'm saying egotistical perceived
decisions that trick yourself and witchcraft yourself to stay in
that box of not knowing anything. You know, the ego
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is always unsafe and insecure, and it always wants.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
You to feel you've ub a lot of musical excellence
in your times, been around the world, and a yah yah.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
You know you you you've you've been on the charts,
while other people on the charts are waiting to be
number one, I mean, big artists. You just said it
so mean. Now we want to get into the mind
of little Steve and figure out your.
Speaker 9 (43:28):
Top five, your top five, top five, your top five
all be singer. What's up.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Me, so, Steve?
Speaker 9 (43:51):
Don't a little drouth bar, little drut little top top top.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Yeah, yes, lusty time FU love you, baby Steve. Okay, nasty,
(44:30):
I can pull that off. Who is your top five
R and B singers?
Speaker 5 (44:36):
My first and favorite influence singer Damn Johnny Wilder from
Heat Wave m is one of my favorite all time.
I just love him man, rest in peace. Wow, I
just love him. Man. Charlie Wilson, his voice steal it's
(45:01):
hard to it's hard to. Charlie is good man, Charlie,
and I can't say Charlie without saying Stevie because Charlie
is a Stevie child, you know, So I gotta give
props to Stevie. It's one of my favorites. Michael Jackson
(45:24):
is a Stevie child, so it's hard. You know, that's
under the umbrella. So Michael is a part of that,
My top five. Luther Vandros, his body, his voice gives
me chills to this day. I've been on Luther for
the past two weeks and I can't even believe that
his essence and tone I get him now as a
(45:47):
grown man more than I did. You know, of course, Damn,
y'all got me blank. You asked a cold question.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
And now we're gonna move on, so our top top
That was unfair, bro, Yeah that was called.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
Now we're gonna move on to our top R and
B songs. We'll stick top five. Okay, this will be five.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
Damn, that's not fair.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
This will be five. This will be okay. Five songs
at the top.
Speaker 5 (46:16):
Yeah, damn, man, five songs always and for everybody. She's
out of my life. Michael Jackson, Superstar, Luther Vandros, Lady
in My Life by Michael Jackson is definitely one of
my favorite songs, I would say, and Holy Spirited by
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kimberrell Man that's one of my that's.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Definitely one of my top five songs. I love.
Speaker 5 (46:42):
I got one more.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Oh that's fine, But Lady in my Life he said,
she's out of my Lady.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
So Mike got two of my life my life songs.
But my Heartbreak Hotel.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Is one of my favorites songs. So we'll be we're
going to do now and the song.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
I'll take that an extra record. What we're gonna do
right now is we're gonna do what we like to
call a vultron. You're going to build your perfect R
and B artists, and we're going to figure out who
you get the vocal from, who you get the performance
style from, who you get the drip from, and then
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who you get the passion from the heart of the artists.
So let's start with the vocal. Who are you getting
the vocal from to build your arm B artist?
Speaker 1 (47:41):
One vocal Chris Brown. Chris Brown, Chris Brown, the universal
radio vocal has a missed yet performance style on stage.
Who you get do I have to just one person only?
(48:01):
That's it. Yes, I can't combine one.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
You know what combined. No, little Steve can combine. We've
let somebody combine. Little Steve can combine.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Okay, you give me.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
Prerogative Bobby Brown on the Awards when he was actually
floating on the air monster.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
And he was in his highest energy. You get King
of R and B. Give me the King of R
and B.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
Bobby Brown performing style with of course, Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
I want to be the greatest. It's going to be
Michael king of everything, all things. Yeah, you have to Michael,
Bobby Brown.
Speaker 5 (48:42):
Bobby Brown's attitude over Michael's attitude. When Bobby is doing
prerogative with them two niggas and he's got hard. When
he's got hard and he's spinning around and you don't
know where he's gonna land at it, he's you know,
he was a different am I trip it not at all.
(49:02):
Bobby was different. Bobby was a different dude, Bro. Bobby
Brown was an untouchable.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
That that's great, you know from truth got the memo.
You know we tried the email.
Speaker 6 (49:19):
You but no, man, that's that's energy.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
I think Bobby's energy is peaking. You get what I'm saying,
I know what you're saying. Yeah, I take that, Michael,
and Bobby.
Speaker 5 (49:30):
Is not to ship on Usher because Usher came after
Bobby and did very well with his thing.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Bobby though.
Speaker 10 (49:36):
Yeah, Okay, Okay, I watched, We watched Bobby give New
Edition everything they needed on that hard by himself.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
By himself himself. So you get what I'm saying, Okay.
Speaker 10 (49:51):
The styling of the artists, styling don't put on them.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
When artists put that ship on the you.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
New Audition in BBD, the young and the professional. I'll
take the swag of to me. I envy New Audition swag.
I always have their the most swagged out niggas in
the industry to me, So I have to give it
the swag of New Dish BBD with the street ship.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yeah, they have the perfect blend, perfect New Audition in
BBD both and kill. It literally changed the look yes
of music.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Yeah, everybody looked like them. All the boy bands after
them look like New additions, all the hip hop artists
looked like BBD.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
It did it.
Speaker 5 (50:41):
Yeah, So I have to give them that because what
other swag is there in between that for the artists
we're building?
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Yeah, yeah, you know the passion of the artists, the
heart of the artists.
Speaker 5 (50:53):
Michael Michael Jackson. You can't get more passionate than that.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
You know you heard that cry.
Speaker 5 (51:00):
Have you ever heard of a cappella track of Michael's?
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Hurt your feelings, Hurt your feelings.
Speaker 5 (51:06):
It's so much shit going on in the vocals. His
passion is unbeat You know. I sang baby Face some
demos for Baby baby Faces when he was submitting to
the Invincible album. I sang his demos from Michael and
those I worked harder singing those two songs than anything
I ever sang in my life.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Yeah, yeah, because we know you got some legendary stories.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yeah, she got you. I ain't saying no nicks. I
ain't saying no names. I ain't saying no names. Ain't
saying no names. Where was.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
Did?
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Don't see she saying no like that ship run? So
right now.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
We got a segment of the show it's called I
ain't saying no names. Well, you tell us a story
funny or fucked up? Are funny and fucked up about
the travels of Little Steve Russell of TRUP The only
rule you just can't say the names you can't say
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who was involved in it, not their name, but you know,
maybe the occupation of it. I mean, even you can
you can give some you know you you you've been
a big stepper for a long time. You definitely dance.
You just can't say their names. So right now this
is little Steve of True, the underdogs, all things legendary Russell.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
I ain't saying no names.
Speaker 5 (53:00):
Oh wow, and this is a moment that means something
to me or just something. Okay, Well, being a kid
that always admired singers and the music business and stuff
and wanted to be in that world once I once
I got hits and was traveling, I found out that
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there were certain members of my peer community that liked
me like I you know, like I admired them as
a fan or whatever.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
You know. I had fans amongst people that I admired.
M yeah, you know.
Speaker 5 (53:38):
And I was fortunate at one time in my life
too become really good friends with somebody that I admired,
a whole whole lot of very famous singer, you know,
female singer, and.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
I had to share the unselfish.
Speaker 5 (53:58):
With her, you know, I had an introduce her to
the unselfish lumber incorporated, you know, incorporating.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 6 (54:11):
We used to say that back in the day.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
But anyway, no, I was.
Speaker 5 (54:16):
It's not exciting for everybody else, but for me, it
was very exciting for me to be able to experience, uh,
intimate relationship with somebody that I watched on TV and
admired like a mog that's really liked him too. She
ended up liking a little Steve Back mistake. Fool you
(54:37):
baby down now, I'm just I'm just acting silly. But yeah,
you know, I've had, I've had I've had an opportunity
to experience some pretty neat things man. In my experience
of touring and stuff. Man, I was I was the guy.
(54:58):
I was very particular. I liked having something with me,
you know, you know, I like mine where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
You know. So that was just my good down, you know.
You know, it just happened to be somebody that was
just on the level.
Speaker 6 (55:15):
Man.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Yes, I love oh Man, I level lumber Lane, oh Man.
Speaker 5 (55:20):
And it was everything that you could dream it to be.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
When they see you, they seen y'all.
Speaker 5 (55:27):
Yeah, say my name, say my name, beautiful, man. I
wish I could say the name.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
Cast some ship. Listen.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
Steve had to say, when I've heard him say it
at least fifty eleven hundred times, you lucky.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
I ain't your type. Lucky, I ain't your time. I
used to wait because we used to have, We used
to always have.
Speaker 4 (55:57):
You know, I have some things around, you know what
I'm saying, just helping to create some wall paper, some garness.
Speaker 5 (56:06):
I would say, like a lot of time to eighty
percent of the time, it was to make people make
him laugh.
Speaker 6 (56:12):
I'm gonna be the one.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
I could look in his eyes and then tell when
it's a real stuff out of town.
Speaker 4 (56:19):
You know, we be talking and we get into those
conversations and he just be like, and Steve is one
of those guys he's gonna compliment like, he's not gonna
hold punch of just who you bad?
Speaker 1 (56:31):
You're lucky, I ain't your type.
Speaker 4 (56:33):
I mean, man, he be, he be, He throw that
line out there, wait for fish the hook, and all
of a sudden, you hear how you know.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
You need a man?
Speaker 4 (56:51):
Go?
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Yeah, you need some real in your life. You frustrated.
I'm mad with you.
Speaker 5 (56:57):
Ship.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
This is oh man. You guys listen, my brother, my
nasty man. We love you.
Speaker 10 (57:11):
Man, y'all know that we miss you, brother. That man,
we got a lot close close the distance. Man, we
definitely need you know what I'm saying too much to
not do more. Yeah, definitely for sure.
Speaker 1 (57:27):
This is your house and I love it. Man. I'm
such a fan of the show. Man.
Speaker 5 (57:31):
I'm happy to be a part of it, the history
of it, you know, because what you guys are doing
is trend setting on some R and B ship and
it's awesome. And I like how you allow it to
just be a real uh platform.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
You know.
Speaker 5 (57:46):
It ain't sugarcoated to please or please a certain thing,
you know, And I love that about what you guys
are doing. Man, thanks for having men cool. We love you, brother,
I love you to us too.
Speaker 1 (57:56):
I love you too.
Speaker 4 (57:56):
Yeah, man, listen, my name is Tank, I'm Jay Valentine
and this is the Army Money podcast, the authority on
all things R and B. And I can't say it
no better than this has been my nexte. I love
on one of the greatest. Thank you, Little Steve.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
We are.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Chi.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
We are the authority on all things R.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
And B ladies and gentleman. My name is Tank.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
This is the R and B Money Podcasts, the authority
on all things.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
All things R and B real, R and B. Yeah.
Wing spreaders, huh, come on fly, come on. Whole whole
line dedicated to the name of the group. Yeah, you know,
clothing line. You know I'm talking about some steppers. Help me.
Steppers call them my nesty. They say birds of a feather.
(00:52):
What they do flock together. Okay, I got my brother
in the builder, my loved one. We have created magic together.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yes, we had to get to talk about it all
right here on the Army Money podcast. Get up, Yes,
that's yeah true.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
The legendary, legendary Yeah yeah, West Coasting.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
That's a din in the house. I'm reminded of a
story you told me. I want.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I want to get on two things first before we
paused that. The first story you told me you came
in to I forget where you were.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
You were like.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Backstage somewhere or something, and uh songs was doing good right,
you know, you was popping and you had your shades on,
you know, your your your I'm doing this ship shades on. Yeah,
and a guy by the name of jel LeVert walked
up to you and said, not yet, not yet.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
No, he did turn your LIFs down. Listen your light. Yeah, relax,
you know.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
I feel you, Bro, but one more record at least, Bro,
just pace it not this moment. And I respected it.
But my feet were off the ground. David Blade, Yeah,
(02:23):
where was this? We had a show together, Rude Boys,
Men at Large, Jeli Image Awards, Wow, and we were
doing the Temptations. And this was the third Oh my god,
this was the third album. I had went through my
(02:45):
college days with Chuckie and Babyface and everybody, the first two.
The third album, I went in and put my work in,
through the litigation and all that. I was in the
studio one percent of the time, and I thought I
was ready, you know. I thought I had not reached
where I wanted to be, of course, but I thought
I was in a place where where I was solid
(03:12):
as a creator, you know. And we were getting ready
to do the Temptation. And mind you, we had been
on a road killing it Hammer Keith, I mean all
the rappers were killing it. You know, we're new addition
in our bubble. Yeah, completely, and so we're getting ready
(03:34):
to do this temptation thing. So man, what I am
David ruffin tonight.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Guy? Right?
Speaker 5 (03:43):
And you know, I loved Gerald so much because that's
not the only time that Gerald, you know, Joel was
like a big brother to me. But I love him
and I appreciate that moment so much because we don't
know when God in the flesh is talking to you,
dealing with you.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, You're gonna speak to you through something, through somebody.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Yeah, come on, and it's up to you to know
his face when you see for sure, you know. And
because I like to learn and like to grow. And
I was such a big GERLD fan period when he
said that, I was able to say, Okay, Steve, I
feel what he's saying.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Because I'm.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Anybody else, anybody else, anybody else said it, you probably
would not have.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I know you're talking to yes, bro, I'm number one.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I'm number one, as you're telling me this, excuse me,
excuse me.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Right now, at least in this second.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Now, everybody everybody wears shades now, but I didn't do that.
But everybody wearing sh now. But back then, if you
had on some shades.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
It was.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
You know, I had lines. You know, I'm designed up,
made over new grill. You know, I had porcelains in
the nineties.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I was the first thing Caniga smiling.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You know, I'm you know, just you know, keeping it real.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Gerald was one of the guys that always pulled my coattail,
but he always pushed me forward at the same time. Yeah,
you know, I remember we did our Senior Hall second album,
I'm Not Suited. We didn't know New Audition was gonna
be there, and you know, Gerald was always my.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Round table guy.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
You know, I didn't have any brothers and stuff growing up,
but Jerald he was the guy I always called just
for whatever. So I was real nervous and scared, you know,
and he was pumping, Man, man, you're gonna do great man, y'all.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
You know, you the ship man, you know whatever.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
So I remember after we finished I'm Not suit Bro,
he called me crying.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Man, your niggas is great, man, You niggas is great.
I told you, I told you, man. He's so passionate.
You know, he's so passionate.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
He was so happy that we killed it the way
we killed it because he's rooting for the under he
wants us to kill it, and we killed it, bro,
and he called me he was so proud.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I'll never forget that. Wow, Rest in peace, man.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
And then another other story. When we first got the building,
I was like, man, I was like, what.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Are you doing on the roof right? I'm working with
my birds?
Speaker 4 (06:30):
I said, what what are you doing here?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Birds? He said, yeah, my pitch and my birds. I
said what.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
So from him, you know, and we'll get more into
that so you can really explain that. But from there
is me, and you just began to hang out more
and happen more.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
You know. He's like, he's like, na, we're nesty. I said,
what is a nasty had two eggs?
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Mans?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah? You like my master.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
So take us back, Take us back, Steve too the
very beginning, like where does the star for you?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Where is it?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Like?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
You know, okay, I got something, I'm finding something, I'm
tapping into something. As this young kid.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
I was, I was an only child with my you know,
single parent home, my mom and my grandmother. Her mother
used to always tell my mother that boy is special
my entire life, and because I loved her so much,
that meant something to believe whether I knew what it was.
(07:48):
I believe that because she said it, and she said
it a year after.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
You make sure you keep him with drawing paper. Do
you know this boy can draw?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Because I was with her this summer in Texas and
that Marilla, bless her heart. Anyway, it started from that
her saying this to me. So fast forward fourteen years old, enter.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
In high school.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
She passes from an aneurysm before I even become fifteen.
So I'm dealing with her not seeing me manifesting anything right.
And I was walking on campus when I first got there,
and I saw myself homeless actually, and I was older
(08:37):
and I was on the street, bro, and it scared
the living shit out of me. And from that moment,
it was either football or music. Because I grew up
I was popular as a dancer in Pasadena.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I was one of the only little kids.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
You knew, this little dude, he's always danced, you know.
And then I went into Michael Jackson, and I was
super popular doing Michael Jackson. I was famous doing Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
I was Mike at twelve, and so I already loved
the fans. I used to make people happy doing Mike,
and I fell in love with that. I fell in
love with making people feel good because it made me
feel good, you know. And that was all connected with that,
seeing myself homeless and wanting to be something for my
(09:29):
grandmom and my mom. All that was the moment where
it was like, okay, so on, I don't care what
it is. It's either football. I was playing football against
my mom's will.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I was good.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
I got over my fear of defensive back. I got
over my fear of hitting. It was over once I
knew I was hitting you monster. So anyway, it was
either that or singing. And I started giving demo tapes
around in the studios in Pasadena. I would record what
were you recording on UH eight recorder cassette recorded those
(10:02):
great cassette recorders.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Bro, you pressed, You have to press real hard to
get it to record.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
Playing record. At the same time with the Little Black.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Mic No, I was singing Jermaine Jackson, Dude, what you
do when you did?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
What you did?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Tell how Jermaine had a hit to it, because you know,
sleep you record record he did on Jermaine's name.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Man, that song was us, So you know, yeah, I
was passing my sorry, I was passing my demo around
and then a guy from school that I knew that
played sports and stuff said, hey, man, you got to
watch us this weekend.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
We on this show called Putting on the Hits and
it was a litsen show.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Yeah you know so, and I was like, you won't
Putting on the Hit you played basketball. So I watched it.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I went home and they was getting down cooler than now.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
I mean bust so I was telling my mom. I
was like, I'll go to school these dudes, you know.
So anyway, they won week fast forward. He's we got
these big talent shows. Back then, it was always huge
city talent shows, so we were getting prepared for one
of those. The lady who was running the talent show
wanted me to get them. At the same time, someone
(11:20):
had contacted Putting on the Hits to find out if
that group could sing, but they wasn't a singing group.
So he was looking for me while I was looking
for him, and when we run into each other, I'm like, Rodney,
I need you for this talent show. He was like
talent show. He was like, yo, a producer called the show.
I want to know if we can sing, bro, I
need you in my group. I need you in my group. Bro,
(11:42):
you gotta talk to my mom.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I need you because how old are you? Guys are
fifteen years old.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
We're cute freshmans.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
We're freshmans, bro.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
And of course I just made this decision.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Work.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I had just made the win at all costs.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Here comes Rodney. I need you in the group. So
of course, fast forward.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
John John was.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
In one of my thriller groups when I was doing
mic so he came along. He found out I was
in the group.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
He made he bullied hisself. That's my god, you know.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
So you know Alan came shortly thereafter, and you know
we rehearsed every day, bro.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
So start off with four.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Well it was well, it was it was four because
one of the original members was sticking around, our buddy Shane.
He was still believing a little but that ran out
for him, you know, And that was I had already
met Alan uh singing in a park or something. So
I remember this guy I can sing. I know, Rodney
him and looking at me like, I'm this guy, but
I need a singer in the group, you know what
(12:55):
I'm saying. So when Shane made space for Alan, boom
and that was five.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
Of a kind, Bro, what you said, Well, Reggie and Rodney.
Reggie and Rodney were the originals, and they were the
originals that went on putting on their heads, and Reggie
stayed him and Rodney were the two originals that remained
from that putting on the hits.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
And from there, Man, we rehearsed every day, day in
day out. And now that I'm older and i've I've
learned some stuff about what life is about. I look
back now, like in hard times or when I feel
like it's a struggle going on, and I remember rehearsing
and not being on the sidewalk.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
There would come a time in rehearsal that I was
on stage in front of thousands of people, and by
the time the rehearsal was over, I was back before
I got in the eleventh grade. Were signed to Atlantic Records.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Bro, this is about a two year process.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Yes, you know, to get the development, Yes, for us
to get our stuff together, but no, we developed. We
got signed June second, on a Tuesday in eighty six. Wow,
so we still had work to do. But the manifestation
from the visualization is real. It's really really real, man,
(14:29):
And all of us was on one accord, So it
was nothing the universe could do but just move it
out of the way. By the time I was in
twelfth grade, Mama Citu.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Was almost number one.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
You know what, man, My classmates got to see me
on Donnie Simpson after all of those years of saying, oh,
we're coming out next month.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
So by the time we get to the twelfth grade.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
But before that, are you guys already? True? No, five
of a con, five of a con.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
We're the guys in the twelfth grade, before we before
that record comes out.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
We're the guys. But our group was the guys, and
there was a.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Group called Guy that had a release date before hours
a couple of weeks groove me wow, yes, and we
had to change our name bro, and we already had
to day wait.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So at the same time Teddy and him got Guy,
y'all got the Guy.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
We were the guys, but y'all signed too, and yeah
we were signed the guys.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
So okay, So and didn't even know about Is there
a brainstorming meet? Yes, West Coast, East coast? Is there
a brainstorming meeting of like, what are we going to call?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
No question? How does that go?
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Merlyn Bob rest in peace. He's Sylvie Rome's right hand man,
but he was our handler, you know, we were his ships.
He got us on the phone and said we need
a name now this second. So everybody was scrambling for
a second. And you know me, I'm a download guy.
So as soon as I got the download Troopers, we
had a dance. We were already doing the Truth.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
That's us.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
You know what I'm saying. We're not a new addition
with true, my nigga.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
And that's how it happened.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
I said, with the True, and everybody at simultaneous like
that's it, that's it, and Maryland hung up the phone
and then Alan sat there for a couple of seconds
and came up with total respect of other people, and
that was it.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Wow, number one record. I didn't know that number one record.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
After the number one record, we never flopped, bro, we
never felt the feeling of a defeat on a charting record.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Give me because I know you yeah, I know you know,
I know it.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Give me twelfth grade with a hit record. How is
that well floated? I'm sure he was flowing.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
All of us know each other like the people that
we went to school, which you've been in school with
him since second grade, So we know everybody. So you
already have built up the people who knew you weren't
not gonna make it. You already have that crowd. You
have the crowd who's rooting for you, and you got
the crowd that know you're gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
So we had.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Stopped talking about what we were doing well before we
got like by the time we got the record deal
and all that, we wasn't going to school hoping people
believed us anymore.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So we were just.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Regular right when we got on Donnie Simpson's couch, that
couch when we came back to school, this is the
last week of school, Bro, you got four more days.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
You're out video. So when we came back that.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Monday from being on video, so bro, that four days
was the best four days of our high We were
on the couch, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
How big that was. I made the couch, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
And then I found out that the elevator wasn't real
because I tried to the elevator.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And I'm like, man, I want to get on the elevator.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Right, that's true.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And it was a wonderful experience.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Man.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Was there a particular young lady That's all he wanted
to know if you had to go use your flag,
was there a particular young lady that you had had
your eyes on, and maybe it was maybe it was
a little difficult, Maybe it was just a little challenging,
you know what I'm saying. But you know what I'm saying,
before the couch, but then right after the couch to
(18:27):
you know, to get.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Back in retaliation. The reciprocation was.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
It was just on a different level where it was like,
I've always had my eye on you a lot of it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
A lot of it. I was a crusher.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
I was the quiet guy that you know, I like
particular girls. I didn't just like everybody, but I liked
that special little thing, you know, And I didn't always match,
it didn't always align, you know. But I had a
girlfriend during high school. Crystal was my high school sweetheart.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
But yeah, I was a flirt.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
I was out there and yeah once, uh, that little
one bedroom apartment turned into a nice Beverly Hills little retreat.
No no, no, yeah right there in Pasaden, in that
same one bedroom apartment, so.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
He turned it into it for Beverly Hills Retreat.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Okay, yeah, yeah, you know you always.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
That one apartment in the hood that got the leather couch.
Everybody know about that. Get that bunk bit out of
here and bring that water.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
It was nice.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
And I wasn't. I didn't.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
I didn't take advantage of it like.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I could have, but I appreciated.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
I did appreciate.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Feel like the people who took advantage of it like
they quote unquote should.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Have, they didn't survive. And I didn't do that. Bro,
you got a patient, Yes, I did have to patience.
I did, man, I did. I mean the entire time. Man,
we got on the road.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Man, I used to room with Reggie, and Reggie was
a person professional already. This definitely wasn't his first time
around touring or none of that.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
When we got out on the road, he was already
max savvy. He already knew. Yeah, he knew and.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Ready.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
You know.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
You how do you know how to I mean grown?
I mean bringing grown women.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I'm like your kids. I was like, I couldn't believe
he'd come in the room with somebody.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I just rolled with all the cover.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
I start saying that put the nigga shineing, shout.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Rest in peace. Wow. Crazy, We had a ball man.
We had a ball who's.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
The first tour? Yeah, oh, the first tour. Maama Sita
is going crazy.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
We did a ninety city too, by ourselves.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
We did a ninety city tour. How many days does
it take you all to do ninety cities?
Speaker 5 (21:14):
People were crying and everything before it was over with,
and airports.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Crying broke down.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Everybody went through hell, I want to go home.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Oh, and we laughed at everybody that we laughed and
everybody who went through it, and everybody went through it.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
We did a ninety city tour by ourselves.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Every skating rink across the country, every boys club, girls
girls club, schools, every every school, everything that you could
think of. Truth was there. And that's why we're able
to exist today because we were the people. We were
eating at people's houses. We were those guys old school though.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
That's what you see in the school ray. And we
did that.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
We did that. That was we We lived that. And
people love us for thirty years because they remember when
they were four and we were at their house and
the neighbors. The whole block was lit because truth was there.
No shooting, no fighting, nothing, love. One hundred people on
the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Really over here and they really over here because we
was hot, were on fire.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
But we never did get to experience what a lot
of successful groups experienced, like a new addition or Joe
to see or boys to men.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
We were right on the cusp. You know, why do
you think that was energy within the group? Of course? Okay?
Speaker 5 (22:52):
And you know universal laws lack attracts like you know,
when you get off course with that, you're still attracting,
you know, when you lose the appreciation and the abundance
that that's bestowed up on you being here, when you
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lose focus of that, and you allow. They didn't teach
us about the ego, right. They told us that the
ego was self centered. And if you don't self centered
with Jay, who's gonna self center with you? You know,
you gotta be self centered in order to be in
alignment with yourself. Right, So anyway, they miseducated us about
the ego. They didn't tell you that the ego comes
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with your flesh when you borrow it to get some
expansion in this body, that you got a part of
yourself that hates your guts, that's going to remind you
of every ill thing that has ever been perceived by
you at any time, because your ego comes with you,
even if you're a baby. The ego's there, right.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
So.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Going through beat up by an ego that you don't
even know this, there's like being in a ring with
somebody that got gloves on and they pounded on it
and you don't even know You're in a boxing match.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
You know, living that kind of life where the egos
gas tank is full, the higher self, the soul side,
that creative side that was rehearsing and visualizing. Once you
get hit records and you make money and now it's
turned into work. Now it's turned Now you have family
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and now you dig steve from truth.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Now you married.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Now you're taking care of a family, youngster.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
You know, yes, requirements, yeah right.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Ego is there waiting the whole time because the ego
didn't like it when you were famous and feeling good
about yourself. So now you feel in a certain kind
of way. You feeling this, You've been in TGT. Come on, man,
you know how it goes when you're not in alignment.
You're not in alignment. There's not a lot of attraction
coming your way as a unit and you got three
different energies going on in one bubble, it just doesn't happen.
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And that's what happened with us, man. Just like in
the Temptations movie, the money made different people different who
they really were. And oh my god. You know, like
I told you me, I'm not ashamed. I was a
perfection idiot.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
You know.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
I knew I was over the edge in that way,
but it was for the all. I wasn't walking around
talking about Steve Russell, you know, I wasn't saying Steve
and true you know, it never turned into that. My
focus was always for the body of the entity. But
when you're growing and you're getting to know yourself. We
were kids, man. When you're growing and you're getting to
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know yourself and you're learning all of these different things,
and ego is there telling you what you're not, what
you should have been, keeping you, you know, keeping you
lacking something. It can destroy everything, bro, you know, And
that's what happened with us. We were not able to
maintain enough frequency to keep attracting what we ultimately wanted
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with success and wealth, you know, the the egotistical niggas
shit makes you make bad decisions. And when I say
nigga shit. I don't mean black people shit. I mean ignorant,
not knowing shit. When you get into living in a
not knowing thing, uh an ego, you can't vibrate in anything, bro,
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Now life starts. Now you forget that you got that
you can vibrate in anything. You got bills to pay,
you don't even know you're creator no more.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Depression a slave to it. You become a slave to it,
you know, so now you're depressed. Was there a spokesman
for the group like that?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Within the group that was that everybody was like, you know,
the level head and the person and that was having
the conversations with you know, multiple members to keep everything
together or try to.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Rodney was that guy. But Rodney lost his power when
me and Alan became the two guys to make the decisions,
and then we were at each other's throat when when
the cane and abels started, which I tried to prevent
the entire time, because Alan was different. When I found
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when he lived with me, it was different. And I'm
not you know, we all are different, but I'm just
saying the energy that we had Alan wasn't that. Alan
was much more mature. He wasn't physical on me and you.
He was not into none of that type of you know,
we was wow bro. So anyway, that manifested eventually with
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money and you know, you got your crew. Everybody in
the group ended up having six niggas that they hung with.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
You know, how would y'all have individual buses onto it
or okay, we wanted it. We wanted I mean, you
know it's tough.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Man, but you know, when you lose focus, when you
lose energy, when you lose the energy that connects you
to manifestation, you have a journey. Now you have to
go through these things that you're creating. They didn't tell
us that we were creating the picture. They taught us
that life happens to us. But you're creating it. You're
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up there on stage looking good because you create that.
You believe in tank, people believe in you. Lack attracts
like you know, if you believe you ain't shit in
the world is against you. God is going to agree
with you. He's not going to disagree with you because
he's already imparted himself in you, and you don't know it.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I'm not gonna play games with you. I'm God. You
ain't shit.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Okay, I'm not going to prove myself to you.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
You think you broke.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
You believe in lack because you don't see money in
your pockets. You think that's me. That's the true that
you see an empty piece of fabric.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
You believe that. Okay.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
The grace of God is measured by the grace of
you on your motherfucking self.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Mhmm.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
God is gonna agree with you as you agree with you,
as you love you and believe in you.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
He's gonna cheer you on.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Come on, you got it as you see ship that's
not there, but you feel good about it anyway. Now
he really cheering.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Now he's got the pomp.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Come on, tank, it ain't even manifesting you feeling good.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Baby, come on. That's how it works.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
But they don't teach us that. So in my experience,
I had to learn that the tough way, you know.
I had to relearn that I'm a piece of God,
having a physical experience, able to create things from thought
in the physical manifestation.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
We did it.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
We did it together, okay, because we have we have to.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
We have to give the journey. We got to give
the journey, and your journey is amazing. Like we all
know that, and we've all been a part of that
journey with you. I mean, you know, I remember you
told me during our underdog days, which we'll get to,
you were like Jay, you know, we never had this
conversation because she was a kid, he was younger. You know,
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your father helped me and I remember us having that
conversation and I never knew about that, you know what
I mean, I never knew that, you know, he had
helped you in a situation in this business and and
was able to, you know, assist in some you know,
good dudes.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Some things that you needed to you know, have to
take care of, and he loved and we've all, you.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Know, we've all had, you know, uh, a piece of
each other's journey that brings us here today. So when
Troop disbands, what is that like for you? At that
moment when you're like, Okay, I gotta figure because how
old are you at this point?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
You still what? Yeah, late twenties, bro, Well you got
to figure out your new life.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
It was scary because I grew up an only child
and like I tell you, you don't know about the egos,
so you don't know that there's this thing recording everything.
So for me being an only child and having those brothers,
good or bad, indifferent, whatever I had them, you know,
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and then you have the higher self saying, steve your first.
Put yourself first, dear one, you know, put yourself first.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
You know.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
So my battle was that the entire time of you know,
and my mom, she really helped me. She was the
one that said, look, son, you got all these songs.
You need to focus on you. Let others get your
songs to other people. There are people not having problems
in the group that need your records.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I never take start placing the records.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Listen when I tell you I was blind, I told you,
he go blind you I'm nothing.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Now.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
We messed up our record deal. You know it's shit now,
and you know you believe that. If you believe it,
you're going to experience it.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
And I was in it.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
And my mom said, son, you got all these records.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Man.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
I never sold any of my equipment never. I always
knew if I had something to offer, I was okay, right,
So at my lowest love, my mom said, you need
to leave troop alone. You need to allow troop to
breathe without you. You need to you need to give
Troop a break and give yourself an opportunity to see
what life has for you, as Steve Russell, because you
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are are you are Steve, you know. And I Randy
Jackson used to work at MCA from American. I write
a song called I Wonder Why.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I Wonder Why. I Wonder Why, I Why.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Some jodasy sound of song, but it wasn't that. But anyway,
he gave me twenty five thousand dollars to do that
song on a group he had called Jersey Avenue.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I remember Jersey Avenue.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
I produced a record for them bro called I Wonder Why,
And that turned everything around.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
And I had.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Already prior to that, ran into a guy named Vasill Befford,
and I was I was producing for Vasall Bedford and
I met this guy, this engineer we hired named Harvey.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Mason, young guy. His dad was this famous drummer.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
And me and this guy, Harvey Visas was always gone.
You know, he got somebody doing music for him. You know,
he come in and polish that's it.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I was gone.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
So me and this kid, Harvey Mason, man, we become
like two p's in the pods on the writing. You
know at first he's just engineering and tripping off of
my vocal arrangements and ship.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Like, man, why are you doing that? Man?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
You know it's hard science.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
He wants the science. So I was like a science
project for him because as he's engineering, he's listening to
how I'm doing my vocal rams. I'm all laid back
because I'm picking up from Allen and everybody I'm around.
I'm a part of drill every I got everybody. In
my late twenties, I was ready, you know, creatively. So
you know he's he's figuring out what I'm doing, and
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before you know it, we're writing songs together.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I mean bad records, bro.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Just me and him vasales lock us in the studio.
It wouldn't give us the key.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Me and Harvey have to shake.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
The only way we could stay warm after we get
tired is to sleep under the SSL because of the
heat that's under the SSL, and me and Harvey in
the studio sleep into versad coming.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
And this is after you've had record.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
This is this is the new journey of Steve becoming
a songwriter.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Look camera Steve and tell them how this ship really goes? Man,
And if you really love this thing that we're in.
What you gotta go through sometimes, what you're willing to
go through.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
You gotta be willing to go through what you consider
being uncomfortable. You gotta be willing to go through with
blinders on when they's so foggy you can't you can't see.
But you gotta open your motherfucking ears up and keep
walking straight.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
You gotta.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
You gotta keep walking, even if you gotta take little
tiny chopping steps.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Just keep your feet moving. You've played sports.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Keep your feet moving, chop your feet, keep walking, keep
moving because you're on your way. Everything that is coming
against you in perception is there to move you forward.
Everything is all good. There's nothing in your journey against
you from a lestation. No daddy, no mother, nothing is
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against you. You're molested. The absent mother, the absent father,
all have agreed to do a job for you here
to move you forward. But if you fall in love
with the gift and forget the gift giver, you'll worship
the molestation and.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Be robbed in your life.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
If you have abusive father, abusive mother, you fall in
love with that and the agony because that you have
an ego, you have this flesh that loves pain, it
loves the long and I wish I was like Tank.
Oh I wish I could get in shape. Oh I wish. See,
that's the ego and the flesh. Get your ass on
the floor and do it right. That's the choices that
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you have to make. But you have to know that
everything is all good. And that's very tough when you're
sleeping in your car and tomorrow you don't know what
you're gonna do. But if you get up that morning,
out of that sleeping car and they head to the studio,
your ass is on the right track.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
You get what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Because when I was working with you guys before, before Tank,
right at the beginning of the Underdogs, was when I
had moved back from Rialto. This is me from my
mom's motivation. Now I'm back, Harvey, Harvey came. I forgot
to tell you I'm writing songs. After I did that
song from Randy Jackson, I'm stealing this. My mom had
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some apartments. She did right by what I gave her.
She has these apartments, so she has some stuff set up.
Come on, man in the hood. In Rialto in the Hood,
she had an apartment. Y'all come and get this. I
lost the house. Y'all come and stay in this apartment
and get to you get your ship right.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Mom's on my team. Wow, come get to this apartment.
We sprayed this motherfucker down, you know, spread down to
get up in here.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
It ain't gonna be that long. This was mom, bro,
and you know, and now it was over. It felt
like this was I'm in Rialto. How the fuck did
I get in Rialto? But the god side, my god
self was so appreciative. I was so appreciative of that apartment. Man,
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my first wife. No, nigga, you done fell off my nigga.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
This ain't hurt.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Saying, but this is the reality feeling. Yeah, I'm finna
move to Compton. I'm going to move back with my mom.
I'm out of here right. I'm focused on having something
to offer. I just proved to myself from that placement
that I'm okay. I still got some breath in me.
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So I'm focused. I'm writing. I'm writing.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Steve's Harvey Mace. What a man, What a man you
still were? Rodney. Uh, you know, I'm kind of we leave.
I'm out of that.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
But I met this guy we're going to create this
writing team. Damon Winning picked his guy, so I'm picking
my guy. I know you like writing by yourself, but
I think this would be great for your career.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
I think this would be good for us. Bro.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Just come and check us out and see if you
want to vibe with us.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Right underdogs.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Jay Valentine's the main writer, already got a smash.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I like them.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
I'm coming in will murder. That's my guy right there.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
They don't even realize we know each other. Yeah, they
have no idea when he's baby. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
When he said he got ja, I said, okay, Jay,
he's growing right.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
So we love them. These guys we.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
Love They were our group.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Man, we love them so much.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
So just the thought of that was a And I'm
a super positive dude anyway. You know, I'm not a hater.
I was blessed not to be envious. I don't have
envy me, so it's always good with me.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
So that was perfect.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
When he said, Jay Valentine's like, oh shit, you know, so.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
That was the.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
Universe obliging my willingness to still have.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Not belief.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Belief is whack, faith enough to still persevere creatively when
there's nothing to be creative for. So it seems egotistically, what.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Are you doing this for? No, but you're in reality,
you're the hood buddy.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Now to remind you the ego and make you kill
somebody and then say you never do that. No, the
ego is the worst part of it, I'm telling you, man.
And there needs to be more conversation, especially amongst us
getting of age, separating ourselves, especially when we deal with
our women, man, introducing them to that part of themselves
that they believe is them. When you're feeling off, that
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ain't you baby?
Speaker 1 (40:49):
You know?
Speaker 5 (40:50):
And once we stop claiming the egos thoughts and the
egos feelings, your journey is a little easier because you
know how you want to feel in every moment when
you when you're off, you know, it's the ego. When
you have a part of yourself trying to explain something
to you, trying to convince you of some shit, the
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ego higher self is gonna say, hey, go left and
give you the opportunity to respect that Jesus and self
relationship or not, the higher selling is gonna explain shit
to you because it got another life.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
We can do anyway.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
It doesn't matter even if you don't get it this time,
it doesn't matter, right, the ego is.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Going to be trying to convince you.
Speaker 5 (41:31):
No, Jay, Man, we might Man, shit, we could get
this man, and you know how like say, ay, tank Man,
just come do the show, bro, And I know this
ain't your fee, but man, you know it's a lot
of people gonna be there. We're gonna have some promoters there.
It's gonna be some This guy is supposed to be there.
And your ego is saying, now you've already made a
standard from the higher self and loving self, I'm not
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going lower than this.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
The ego. Oh man, the people gonna be there.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Man.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
You know, man, you might get another opportunit needed out
of this one, you know, pulling you to challenge yourself,
you know. And we need to people need to have
those conversations about ego because you have thoughts and feelings
that are manifesting, especially now that everything is changing energetically.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Is more than ever. You need to know and be
solid on.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Your relationship with your ego because the decisions that you're
making now in this time, we can't afford to make
egotistical and I don't mean arrogant I'm saying egotistical perceived
decisions that trick yourself and witchcraft yourself to stay in
that box of not knowing anything. You know, the ego
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is always unsafe and insecure, and it always wants.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
You to feel you've ub a lot of musical excellence
in your times, been around the world, and a yah yah.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
You know you you you've you've been on the charts,
while other people on the charts are waiting to be
number one, I mean, big artists. You just said it
so mean. Now we want to get into the mind
of little Steve and figure out your.
Speaker 9 (43:28):
Top five, your top five, top five, your top five
all be singer. What's up.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Me, so, Steve?
Speaker 9 (43:51):
Don't a little drouth bar, little drut little top top top.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Yeah, yes, lusty time FU love you, baby Steve. Okay, nasty,
(44:30):
I can pull that off. Who is your top five
R and B singers?
Speaker 5 (44:36):
My first and favorite influence singer Damn Johnny Wilder from
Heat Wave m is one of my favorite all time.
I just love him man, rest in peace. Wow, I
just love him. Man. Charlie Wilson, his voice steal it's
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hard to it's hard to. Charlie is good man, Charlie,
and I can't say Charlie without saying Stevie because Charlie
is a Stevie child, you know, So I gotta give
props to Stevie. It's one of my favorites. Michael Jackson
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is a Stevie child, so it's hard. You know, that's
under the umbrella. So Michael is a part of that,
My top five. Luther Vandros, his body, his voice gives
me chills to this day. I've been on Luther for
the past two weeks and I can't even believe that
his essence and tone I get him now as a
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grown man more than I did. You know, of course, Damn,
y'all got me blank. You asked a cold question.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
And now we're gonna move on, so our top top
That was unfair, bro, Yeah that was called.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
Now we're gonna move on to our top R and
B songs. We'll stick top five. Okay, this will be five.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
Damn, that's not fair.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
This will be five. This will be okay. Five songs
at the top.
Speaker 5 (46:16):
Yeah, damn, man, five songs always and for everybody. She's
out of my life. Michael Jackson, Superstar, Luther Vandros, Lady
in My Life by Michael Jackson is definitely one of
my favorite songs, I would say, and Holy Spirited by
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kimberrell Man that's one of my that's.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Definitely one of my top five songs. I love.
Speaker 5 (46:42):
I got one more.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Oh that's fine, But Lady in my Life he said,
she's out of my Lady.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
So Mike got two of my life my life songs.
But my Heartbreak Hotel.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Is one of my favorites songs. So we'll be we're
going to do now and the song.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
I'll take that an extra record. What we're gonna do
right now is we're gonna do what we like to
call a vultron. You're going to build your perfect R
and B artists, and we're going to figure out who
you get the vocal from, who you get the performance
style from, who you get the drip from, and then
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who you get the passion from the heart of the artists.
So let's start with the vocal. Who are you getting
the vocal from to build your arm B artist?
Speaker 1 (47:41):
One vocal Chris Brown. Chris Brown, Chris Brown, the universal
radio vocal has a missed yet performance style on stage.
Who you get do I have to just one person only?
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That's it. Yes, I can't combine one.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
You know what combined. No, little Steve can combine. We've
let somebody combine. Little Steve can combine.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Okay, you give me.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
Prerogative Bobby Brown on the Awards when he was actually
floating on the air monster.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
And he was in his highest energy. You get King
of R and B. Give me the King of R
and B.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
Bobby Brown performing style with of course, Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
I want to be the greatest. It's going to be
Michael king of everything, all things. Yeah, you have to Michael,
Bobby Brown.
Speaker 5 (48:42):
Bobby Brown's attitude over Michael's attitude. When Bobby is doing
prerogative with them two niggas and he's got hard. When
he's got hard and he's spinning around and you don't
know where he's gonna land at it, he's you know,
he was a different am I trip it not at all.
(49:02):
Bobby was different. Bobby was a different dude, Bro. Bobby
Brown was an untouchable.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
That that's great, you know from truth got the memo.
You know we tried the email.
Speaker 6 (49:19):
You but no, man, that's that's energy.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
I think Bobby's energy is peaking. You get what I'm saying,
I know what you're saying. Yeah, I take that, Michael,
and Bobby.
Speaker 5 (49:30):
Is not to ship on Usher because Usher came after
Bobby and did very well with his thing.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Bobby though.
Speaker 10 (49:36):
Yeah, Okay, Okay, I watched, We watched Bobby give New
Edition everything they needed on that hard by himself.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
By himself himself. So you get what I'm saying, Okay.
Speaker 10 (49:51):
The styling of the artists, styling don't put on them.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
When artists put that ship on the you.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
New Audition in BBD, the young and the professional. I'll
take the swag of to me. I envy New Audition swag.
I always have their the most swagged out niggas in
the industry to me, So I have to give it
the swag of New Dish BBD with the street ship.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yeah, they have the perfect blend, perfect New Audition in
BBD both and kill. It literally changed the look yes
of music.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Yeah, everybody looked like them. All the boy bands after
them look like New additions, all the hip hop artists
looked like BBD.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
It did it.
Speaker 5 (50:41):
Yeah, So I have to give them that because what
other swag is there in between that for the artists
we're building?
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Yeah, yeah, you know the passion of the artists, the
heart of the artists.
Speaker 5 (50:53):
Michael Michael Jackson. You can't get more passionate than that.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
You know you heard that cry.
Speaker 5 (51:00):
Have you ever heard of a cappella track of Michael's?
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Hurt your feelings, Hurt your feelings.
Speaker 5 (51:06):
It's so much shit going on in the vocals. His
passion is unbeat You know. I sang baby Face some
demos for Baby baby Faces when he was submitting to
the Invincible album. I sang his demos from Michael and
those I worked harder singing those two songs than anything
I ever sang in my life.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Yeah, yeah, because we know you got some legendary stories.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yeah, she got you. I ain't saying no nicks. I
ain't saying no names. I ain't saying no names. Ain't
saying no names. Where was.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
Did?
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Don't see she saying no like that ship run? So
right now.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
We got a segment of the show it's called I
ain't saying no names. Well, you tell us a story
funny or fucked up? Are funny and fucked up about
the travels of Little Steve Russell of TRUP The only
rule you just can't say the names you can't say
(52:29):
who was involved in it, not their name, but you know,
maybe the occupation of it. I mean, even you can
you can give some you know you you you've been
a big stepper for a long time. You definitely dance.
You just can't say their names. So right now this
is little Steve of True, the underdogs, all things legendary Russell.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
I ain't saying no names.
Speaker 5 (53:00):
Oh wow, and this is a moment that means something
to me or just something. Okay, Well, being a kid
that always admired singers and the music business and stuff
and wanted to be in that world once I once
I got hits and was traveling, I found out that
(53:24):
there were certain members of my peer community that liked
me like I you know, like I admired them as
a fan or whatever.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
You know. I had fans amongst people that I admired.
M yeah, you know.
Speaker 5 (53:38):
And I was fortunate at one time in my life
too become really good friends with somebody that I admired,
a whole whole lot of very famous singer, you know,
female singer, and.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
I had to share the unselfish.
Speaker 5 (53:58):
With her, you know, I had an introduce her to
the unselfish lumber incorporated, you know, incorporating.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 6 (54:11):
We used to say that back in the day.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
But anyway, no, I was.
Speaker 5 (54:16):
It's not exciting for everybody else, but for me, it
was very exciting for me to be able to experience, uh,
intimate relationship with somebody that I watched on TV and
admired like a mog that's really liked him too. She
ended up liking a little Steve Back mistake. Fool you
(54:37):
baby down now, I'm just I'm just acting silly. But yeah,
you know, I've had, I've had I've had an opportunity
to experience some pretty neat things man. In my experience
of touring and stuff. Man, I was I was the guy.
(54:58):
I was very particular. I liked having something with me,
you know, you know, I like mine where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
You know. So that was just my good down, you know.
You know, it just happened to be somebody that was
just on the level.
Speaker 6 (55:15):
Man.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Yes, I love oh Man, I level lumber Lane, oh Man.
Speaker 5 (55:20):
And it was everything that you could dream it to be.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
When they see you, they seen y'all.
Speaker 5 (55:27):
Yeah, say my name, say my name, beautiful, man. I
wish I could say the name.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
Cast some ship. Listen.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
Steve had to say, when I've heard him say it
at least fifty eleven hundred times, you lucky.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
I ain't your type. Lucky, I ain't your time. I
used to wait because we used to have, We used
to always have.
Speaker 4 (55:57):
You know, I have some things around, you know what
I'm saying, just helping to create some wall paper, some garness.
Speaker 5 (56:06):
I would say, like a lot of time to eighty
percent of the time, it was to make people make
him laugh.
Speaker 6 (56:12):
I'm gonna be the one.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
I could look in his eyes and then tell when
it's a real stuff out of town.
Speaker 4 (56:19):
You know, we be talking and we get into those
conversations and he just be like, and Steve is one
of those guys he's gonna compliment like, he's not gonna
hold punch of just who you bad?
Speaker 1 (56:31):
You're lucky, I ain't your type.
Speaker 4 (56:33):
I mean, man, he be, he be, He throw that
line out there, wait for fish the hook, and all
of a sudden, you hear how you know.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
You need a man?
Speaker 4 (56:51):
Go?
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Yeah, you need some real in your life. You frustrated.
I'm mad with you.
Speaker 5 (56:57):
Ship.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
This is oh man. You guys listen, my brother, my
nasty man. We love you.
Speaker 10 (57:11):
Man, y'all know that we miss you, brother. That man,
we got a lot close close the distance. Man, we
definitely need you know what I'm saying too much to
not do more. Yeah, definitely for sure.
Speaker 1 (57:27):
This is your house and I love it. Man. I'm
such a fan of the show. Man.
Speaker 5 (57:31):
I'm happy to be a part of it, the history
of it, you know, because what you guys are doing
is trend setting on some R and B ship and
it's awesome. And I like how you allow it to
just be a real uh platform.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
You know.
Speaker 5 (57:46):
It ain't sugarcoated to please or please a certain thing,
you know, And I love that about what you guys
are doing. Man, thanks for having men cool. We love you, brother,
I love you to us too.
Speaker 1 (57:56):
I love you too.
Speaker 4 (57:56):
Yeah, man, listen, my name is Tank, I'm Jay Valentine
and this is the Army Money podcast, the authority on
all things R and B. And I can't say it
no better than this has been my nexte. I love
on one of the greatest. Thank you, Little Steve.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
Yeah. Yeah. R and B Money.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
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