Vincent Herbert

Vincent Herbert sits down with Tank & J. Valentine to unpack the executive side of R&B and pop: discovering and developing artists, shaping records from demo to delivery, and building the teams that turn moments into movements. From the studio floor to boardroom strategy, Vincent breaks down how A&R, production, and marketing align—what makes a single undeniable, how to protect an artist’s identity, and when to take creative risks.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
R and B money.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
We thankti.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
We are the authorities on all th R and B.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
My name is Tank Valentine and this yeah, the R
and B money, A whole lot of money, the authority
on all things. I'm gonna tell him. R and B, yes, sir,
and money, a lot of.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Lots of it. You only get the money when you
were when you got the honey. Okay, god, okay, go executive, yes,
song right now, yeah, producer yeah, multi media mogle.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
He gonna remix it too, though.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, did you do that?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, you get the highest level. Oh no, no, no, no,
no no, don't go there yet.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Don't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, gentlemen, no introduction needed, but god damn it, you
know I gotta do introduction. Yeah yeah, our brother, our brother.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Good afternoon, Glad you guys can make it to the
service today.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
When you've been successful.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Are you talking a different tone?

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Decent?

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Are you talking a different tone when you get to that?

Speaker 2 (01:31):
That's a regular left and noon, gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Absolutely, it's very calm over here. Yeah yeah, yeah, one
is a step.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
I feel unbelievable, man, you know, I feel good. I
lost one hundred and thirty pounds. Yeah, thirty and thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Congratulations bro yep, stop being the white food.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
About to say, how did you do it? To you
do food or did you.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Know it was the pasta, the bread, the sugar. Eat
once a day. It's just not good for us. Yeah,
and then just you know, like not that you're starving
yourself for doing too much. It's just everybody's body metabolism
is different. Of course, I'm glad to be here today.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
You have been doing we we just talked earlier. You've
been doing this for a very long time. I remember
walking into the background office and then you started way
before that. But I'm just giving you my introduction. I
walked into that office and he was just sitting there
patiently waiting. Said, yeah, thank They gotta pay me, man,

(02:29):
they gotta pay me a lot, but.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
To give it up to them the first time I've
learned about understanding the profit split prophet split. Jarry was
very phenomenal in that. And as much as he liked
to hunt and have fun, he definitely taught me something.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
I'm glad he showed you the profit share because he
ain't show me no. God damn.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
A lot of time Agel I was very curious. I
wanted to know. I went to that farm and I
learned a lot. I learned a lot. Yeah, I met
Barry back when I produced the Winings.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, you didn't tell me that I've done so much
that I forget what I've done. But I produced the Winings,
I produced Engine and w Whinings. I produced Vanessa Belle
Armstrong all at the same time.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
No way, that's.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Where I discovered Joe at I discovered Joe going to
the barbershop.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Okay, okay, let's start off because she was getting deep Atay,
let's go back to the beginning.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Such a such a random flex. Yeah, so when I
discovered was a barbershop and winings?

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Who first got.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
So the first thing about let me say, growing up
in Nork, New Jersey, my neighbors were cool and the gag.
I met him two May hanging out in the supermarket.
They suspend two three times a week, you know. But
that's where I met Slide from signing Family Stone. That
was my first time ever seeing drugs on the back
of toilet seat, and so I said, never try this,

(04:02):
it would change your life forever. But them two May
would work with me every day. I was in a
group with five, Me and Fi and his son was
in a group together. But two May was just so
like incredible watching him work at a kai and him
and Phil what they would do and how they would
make music happen, and just I just soaked it all up.
Then on top of it, when I'm thirteen, I have

(04:23):
my own number one dance record with a group called Reach,
and the record was named the group called Face Too.
The record was called Reaching. So I've done this from
every aspect of an artist. I've been an artist, a producer, manager, executive.
You know. I produced my very first movie with Harvey Mason.
We did More Than a Game with Lebron. So I've
seen every side of this. But it's so much that

(04:44):
it's sometimes it's like mind blind because I forget, Like
Joe to go back to that was working in a barbershop.
I go in a barbershop. He's singing, Joe Thomas, one
of the green barbershop you did. Yeah, yeah, he did
have heir and he had a hell of a voice.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Wait, so Joe was a barber.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
You know, Joe was working in the barbershop. He was
hanging out with what's the guy's name, Noel is this
other guy. They were friends of his. So he was
cleaning up in the barbershop. Young kid, Young kid.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
It's a monster cleaning up and singing, singing.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Playing the guitar. And I was like, you're right, you sing?
What do you do? He was like, I sing? You
want to go to studio me. He came to Battery
Studios with the Night and we worked on Vanessa Bell Armstrong.
We did two songs together, Everlast in Love. If you
listen to that.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Song, you did not do Everlast.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
And that's all Joe singing background.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
This is a great nigga.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
This is great, This.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Is great, This is R and B. So we have
to tell it. Yes, I've done it all. I just
but how did you.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Get into like producing? Like, because as you're sing, you've
you've made every progression. So where did you decide? Okay,
I'm gonna start with this producing first. This is the
thing that's going to get.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Because I was an artist first, and my brothers in
a group called Blaze. I had another dance group and
when they would leave to go through shows, I was
I was doing dance music. That's why you hear god
go four on the floor because that was always influence
from church and just from you know, doing what I did.
And I just started learning how the program drums and
play the basic keys on a keyboard that you can play.

(06:19):
But my real instrument was I learned how to read
and play music at the fourth grade playing the trumpet.
I just don't talk a lot. I think I just
do my work. But I feel like we're in the
world now. Well, if you don't tell me your story,
and you don't tell me your story, somebody's gonna tell
it when we're dead and gone, and they're gonna tell
it the way you tell it.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
We're not letting that happen. Now.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
That's not fair. And I'm not here. This is a
safe place. I feel comfortable here. I'm proud of you
guys and what you're doing. And I want this to
be something that's educational and enlightening to tell the people.
I made three billion dollars with Goga the Universal. I'm
a black man from ne York, New Jersey. I want
to see other people do that billion. Three billion dollars.

(06:59):
We sold one hundred and seventy million albums to date,
but it's this twenty twenty five, She's still getting nominated
for the Album of the Year. I signed, Got, Got and
discovered her before my son was born. My son is
twelve years old now. Met her on the phone a

(07:19):
friend of mine sending me a song on MySpace called
Beautiful Dirty Rich. Flew out to La in the first time.
She had a flue business class. She met with me.
She said, Okay, I want to sign with you. But
I promised Sylvia I'm gonna meet with her. But I
think i'm you know, I know what I want to
do already because La Reid had dropped her. You gotta remember,
God Goy got signed La Reid first. Really, so when

(07:42):
I met her, I said, die your hair, blind blind,
sell more records On forty fifth in Crenshaw in LA.
At the barber shop you got back in the car
I got on the show. Yeah, yeah, who was in
a white Bentley GT? Forty fifth Shaw?

Speaker 2 (07:55):
You hit that?

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, you have shows. I need to paint this picture.
Forty fifth and Krishaw at a barbershop and a white
Bentley GT with got goa peanut butter guts.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Hey, Hey yeah yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
No, I just you know, I just love what I
do and I don't look at it it's like anything
other than it's just music. It's no color, it's no nothing,
but just what do you feel when you hear this music?
And I think we have to understand, like all our music,
there's seventy seven keys on a keyboard, something's going to
sound like in some aspects, right when you think about
Haul and Oates, so you think about you know, the Police,

(08:41):
or you think about George Michael, Like, it's all music.
It all has some soul and some R and B
into it, but it's all music. It's not different. We're
not reinventing the wheel. We're just making music. And we
forget that, like and it's it's a thing to me, like,
you know, even looking at Christopher William this guy was

(09:01):
the first guy to ever give me a thousand dollars
of going to studio. I took that thousand dollars. Next
thing I know, I'm producing every little thing you do
for him, producing a duet that he did with Mary J. Blige.
If I don't know that guy, I never meet you.
Guys at fourteen years.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Old, you produced that record at fourteen.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, you been holding out YEP and.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
At the same time being able to walk Holly Berry
home from the movie fts and learning, then spending time whatever. No,
it's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
You've been holding out, brother, not today, you've been holding out.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
I just feel like it's time for me to tell
my story because if I don't, again, like I said,
somebody's going to say it the way they want to
say it, and I just I don't feel like that's
fair anymore. Like I've always been a shy guy. Just
do my business, do my work, keep it moving. But
it's like we don't live in that world anymore. Your
your resume, social media, digital, whatever you want to call it,

(09:57):
is who you are and if you don't do it,
it's your fault.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
The things of the grace that I learned from Clive
Davis producing a group with him called Them, and to
you producing Whitney Houston and Stevie Wonder, we didn't know.
Those were things that I learned from Clive, working with
Tommy Montola and giving Destiny's Child and Beyonce their first
hit record. No, no, no, those are you know, things
that you don't get a chance to say. But people

(10:20):
don't tell whose story because they don't know I did it.
I went with Clive to the Yankees game, and you
couldn't go into the baseball game to this restaurant now
unless she had a sports jacket on. Like I spent
time with these guys, with the greats, and just learning
from them and soaking up. Coming in Clive's office, you
got to have your lyrics in front of you.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, it's gonna be sixty five degrees in there, and
the light's gonna be whatever they're gonna be, but you
got to have your lyrics. We don't do that anymore.
It's so novelty, and it's so like we're not in order.
We're just like, no one's really producing a record, no
one's really writing a song. It's just thrown out there,
and it's not cool anymore. I'm like, let's get back
to where it really started from. I remember coming to

(11:00):
Tanks videos. You think don't remember this. He was shooting
a video. Jomo was there. It was that house on
the hill. There was a great Bentley tudor what was
that song called Please Don't Go, Please Don't Go, phenomenal record.
I sat there for six hours watching y'all make that video.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
I was, I was, I was sick as a dog.
I was throwing up in between texts, but you never stopped.
You couldn't. After I called Flint, I was like, Flint,
I'm finished, bro. He's like he's like, he's like, listen,
little bro, I'm gonna tell you something. This is your shot.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
You delivered.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
He said, you you have to shoot this video. He's like,
you know, business wise, we can fight for whatever we needs,
but right now you got these people's attention and this
is the only day we got and you did a
great job. And after I should have shipped it in
myself on my way there because I thought I had
to poop and I said the stop at a random hotel.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
But you delivered.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
And my girl nast yeah, my homegirl name yeah, from
high school. She was, she was, she was my girl
in the video.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Great video. Joe won't still talk about that song. And
you know what's crazy, I didn't pick that song. Wow,
Flip picked that song him and Joe. Wow. I know
Joe Rowan wrote the treatment because he was so proud
of it. But a great record. No one makes records
like that, no more like that was so much passion.
There was no pro towns, there was no logic, There

(12:36):
was no, you know, let's let's stack the vocals this way.
You had to sing. I had to sing, You had
to sing. Yeah, that's why I tell people we come
from that though, we come from D eighty eight and
that and that's what. That's what I wrote him too
many it was ate that and whatever that Kaive machine
did he had. It was, Yeah, you want to talk
about a lea like I lived with a Lee. I

(12:58):
lived in Detroit for six months making that album. Yeah,
where tim Lynn and Missy got discovered on the end
of the.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Album, So you guys had already started that album.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Me and Joemo and Art that album. I did not
make all those songs. I did five songs on that album.
What Yes. The only record Aliah ever did a duet
with before she passed away was her and this kid
that I was working with named Tavars that got to
give it up. Yeah, the the Isy Brother record.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
I can't even remember all of them, but it was
like four or five records I did. That first time
I went to a movie theater where there was metal
detectors and I was like, what are we doing. She's like, oh,
he'll be all right. I'm like, I'm ready to go home.
This was in Detroit and in Southfield. But Aliah was
a sweetheart and she sung every vocal. There was no tricks,
no trade like she at a studio in Detroit which

(13:53):
snowed like cats and dogs, but she came to work
every day.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
I did not know that. Yeah, that's real, real producer.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
I'm gonna I'm gonna come to your city. I'm gonna
live there six months now. Hey, I'm saying it. I'm
see I'm seeing the record.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
I'm seles even with Desky' child No No No. They
had a whole album done. They call me. Matthew called me.
He wanted this record I had called No No No,
had the hook on the record. We went in the studio.
Beyonce never left the room. She stayed in the room
for two weeks. She would come in and out. Everybody
was ordering food. Tony Romos, I remember like it was yesterday.

(14:31):
Solon was a little baby, Moms was there. Who was
at chun King studio, Chunking. Beyonce was in that room
every day, Kelly was in that room. I mean they
just really wanted it. Yeah, you know what I mean.
And that's how I got to work with Michael Jackson
because I told him, if they want this record, I
got to work with my So we worked. We did

(14:52):
keep your work. You know, it's just it just is
what it is. And if you don't tell your story,
what are you gonna do that. I can't help it.
This is my life. This is what happened, bro, and
this is what happened. And it sounds like you know.
I was thinking the other day. I was like, yo,
I really have done some amazing stuff. You have and
been a part of some great stuff like who works

(15:14):
with the Winings? It starts there and me and Carbon
meeting each other at the supermarket two o'clock in the
morning because he's trying to figure out how do we
make Mike get on the record, and how we do
this with Marvin and this and that, Like, you don't
get those opportunities. No, but people actually worked.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
You were doing the work. Wait, so you said, in
order for them to get desty shout to get no, no, no,
you said, I got to work with my Mike.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
So talked to Tommy on the phone. He said, Okay,
what do you want to do? I said, I just
want to do whatever. So that was the first time
that anyone had got three points on a remix, so
I did. I worked on keep it in the closet.
So when I got the reels, there was three forty
eight track digital reels that Teddy had it sound works

(16:02):
and that's down that sound yeah, So just yeah, like
one set forty eight track. I never set a fortyeight
track another set of forty Jesus Christ, because you got
what I'm saying. Mike made all kind of sounds.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
With his sounds, it was unbelieving. It was an instrument.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
I took a week just playing each just listening to
what he did got you. I was so fascinated. It
was just so mind blowing, Like, Yo, this is the
greatest of all time. And I'm sitting here picking his
stuff apart and mute Dad's played that, you know what
I mean, Like unbelievable, man, unbelievable that Teddy Michael Combo, unbelievable, Jesus,

(16:37):
There's never nothing like Remember the Times again. And his
vocal ability was fascinating, down to the fact that again
I'm not dropping notes, but when I worked it, I'll
be sure, you know what I mean. He was another
one that had twenty tracks of vocals. Really, I'll be sure, like,
just like these guys really took their time and really

(16:59):
did great.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Stuf they crafted.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Absolutely, yeah, we don't do that any more music. We
don't do that in R and B. It's like it's
so novelty and so cookie cutter that to me, when
I hear it, it's kind of like heart breaking because
you can't feel the soul. You almost get lost in
the translation of what's going on with the music. Music
is supposed to make us feel something. We all have
something in common.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
What is that human emotion?

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Should I say the same thing said?

Speaker 1 (17:30):
We all have a heartbeat that connects us all.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
That's what I was going to say next.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
We're all on the same rhythm, but we've forgotten that.
So if we all have this heartbeat, we're already connected,
but we lose that impact because we are going to
these other places and these.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Other things, chasing other things.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
That doesn't really, it doesn't matter. Like people want to
feel something. You want to feel. What this song makes
you feel is happy, sad, mad, ugly, whatever. It makes
you feel something. Because you all have the same thing,
you're connected, but we've lost that so much. And I'm
not mad at ai. I'm not mad at technology. You know,
we're got to grow regardless, you know, but before there

(18:09):
was a can opener, there was something else, right, you know,
before there was an eye, and there was something else.
Life is supposed to grow, is supposed to evolve, but
never to lose a human connection. We get sot to
this point now where all we do is text, So
when you go on your first date, you have nothing
to say. Me and Jamain were talking about this the
other day. It's like the conversation in the relationship gets

(18:30):
lost because of the technology. So when you get there,
where's the emotion, where's the connection? You're just sitting there
looking at each other.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's real.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
We have to bring that back, like again, and I
keep saying it and I'll say it again to the
blod a face. The emotion that you have in your voice.
You can't buy that, you can't. People are connected by that.
They feel the adrenaline that you're singing when you sing
these songs like it's just we don't. It's like not

(19:01):
a lot of male vocals do it. And that's what
I love Chris. Chris is still singing. Yeah, you still
feel the passion in his voice.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
You know what I mean, we saw it. We saw
it last night. You know, we were coming from Miami, all.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Of us beautiful place.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
I have a beautiful place, but you know we're out
there for our basil and we have an R and
B brunch event that we do with Mike Gardner right
for the for the week, and Tank being Tank, He's like, oh,
I'm going to get on the mic and he's singing
from the DJ booth for probably an hour. He brings

(19:34):
up T. T. Moses, he brings up the young fella
Rondie that signed a hit maker singing though, and that's
what stops the room, the live vocals, and he see
up there singing other people regularly. He's singing Jalousy, He's
singing Tevin Campbell, Tyree, He's singing everybody songs, right, But
you just saw the shift. He saw the shift in

(19:56):
the room and me and me and Brian Michael Cox,
we're at the tables next to each other and we're
both watching. I said, it's R and B shit different,
and the connection that we have with the people is different.
And it's really our turn again to really highlight it
and to put it in the space that it continued.

(20:18):
It needs to continue in where people understand this is different.
This is different. The emotions, the heartbeat, the things that
come from this are different than any other genre.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Absolutely, And I'm glad you guys are doing it because
you guys kind of brought back a lost craft. I
don't know if you guys ever met him too may,
but Tumbes was so connected and emotional about everything that
he I mean, I remember just having this guy produce
my vocals and my beings. Do it again, do it again,
and do it again, do it again, where you would
just get sick. But it was always for a reason

(20:51):
because he wanted the emotion to be pure and he
wanted you to get it out of it. Like we
don't have that anymore. Like I've learned from the and
I'm not tooting my own horn, but it's like, and
I'm not feeling like I'm better than somebody, but I
know I'm great at what I do, and I just
know that that's just who I am. Like I can't
take that away, you can't cover it up, you can't
make it up. It's like, I'm great. I see no

(21:12):
color from black to white to gray to blue. I
know what I'm doing when it comes to making us
start because I never lose the emotion.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
In terms of your progression artist producer, like are you
are you kind of like in a sense like guided
from your elders when you start moving into these executive
spaces or did that come natural to you after having
you know, so much success as a songwriter and a
producer fincause? But then go back in terms of an artist,

(21:53):
what was that term like for you? And then how
did you move how did you move on from that? Why?

Speaker 1 (22:00):
I feel like I feel like I'm an archetect of
what I do. I know how to take a little
bit from this, a little bit from that, a little
bit from that, and make it something great. And it
never leads you. We're all still that three year old
boy that was inside of us. You just grow and
you don't leave it. It doesn't go away from you.

(22:22):
You remember the first time you scratch your knee and
I got that mark on it. It's still there. It's just
how you make it evolve. It's how your maturity is
and how great you want to be. Like Quincy Jones
was great, I want to be great study of the great,
so you can be greater and never forget that if
God didn't give it to you, you wouldn't have it.
It's there for a reason. But never get so cocky

(22:44):
at the same time where you forget about human connection.
And I've always understood that tank like I'm for the people.
That's why I've been so humble my whole life, Like
I want to do the work. I can care less
about the other stuff. And unfortunately we don't live in
a world where that's like cool anymore. But I want
to make the records. I want to make the songs.
I want to make the artist. I want to see

(23:06):
a Jojo when she's eleven years old and discover her,
or see a guy guy when she's twenty three years old.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
And discover her. Jojo eleven years old? Where do you
see her?

Speaker 3 (23:16):
How?

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Jojo was on a show called America's Most Talented Kids.
She lost the show. I'm in Andre Herrel's office in
Santa Monica. A friend of mine called me, named James
god rest Is, so his adventure. Should hear this little girl?
I said, all right, bring it bybe this is where
I'm at. I hear, fall in love with her, immediately
take her to a few other people. Everybody passed. Everybody

(23:39):
was like, oh, she's this, this, and that. Meet with Barry.
He's in his house, the shades are dark. He falls
in love with her and say, you just save my family.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
From the first meeting.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yes, he got it at Hello because Barry told me
from day one, not the name drop again. But when
I discovered and put dream together and did that deal
with Puffy before Little White Girls, Barry said, Evince, And
next time you find an artist, come do to deal
with me. I promise You'a'll be fair with you. Next
artist I found with Jojo, I have to dream.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
This is great, worked on that, this is so good,
This is so good. I just I love what I do. Guys,
I'm still in this Jojo.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
JoJo's eleven years old. We make what I feel like
was an incredible, great pop up. I mean, she's eleven
years old, so you got to be crafty about the
songs you're gonna make. Is it too old? Is it
too young? We do this song called leave Get Out.
She hates this song. I'm like, Yojo, this fits you.
But what I love about her is she sung everything.
And you got people like Jojo. You got people like Joe,

(24:48):
you got people like Coco, you got people like Tamar,
they sing so good you think everything's a hit?

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, to cheat with bad lyrics and.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
My brother Bible. Like my brother, you'd be like, Tank,
that's not a good lyric, Bro, You're like, yes it is.
He's like, listen to it.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
He's like, well you sound good good exactly. But everybody
can't do that.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Joseph Mass said that. I'm like, don't send me a
demo because it's over ball in love with it and
it doesn't mean that it's a great song. But you
just sung it out out the moon. Yeah you know
what I mean. You just said that. But Jojo was
she was a special man. I took her to school
when she started sixth grade in Jersey. You took her
to school. We just started sixth grade, Yeah, walk her
to school in Edgewater. She cried, she was mad, she

(25:36):
was frustrated, like, look, you got to do this because
we had to go through the whole court approval then.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, but she did not want to do that. She
was like, this is not fair. I don't know these kids.
That's where her and Eddie Levert's son becomes super cool
and become best friends because they went to school together
to school in Edward and he was inspired singing too.
But Jojo was special, man. She was just one of
the most incredible little artists I ever met in my life.

(26:00):
She still was the youngest artist to ever have a
number one record on Top forty radio, get nominated for
MTV Music Award, and sell over five million albums on
that first debut album.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Out the Gate five ams.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Her first tour she opened up for US in Japan.
Pick shout out to Mark She my man even help
me make that happen. But yeahs just like you gotta
see things before the world see you.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Was that the Okay? You had done a lot of
stuff up until then, right, But I know what five
million records on the executive side looks like. I know
what that looks like. What had that been your biggest
payday up until that point?

Speaker 1 (26:41):
That was my biggest payday because Barry did a great
deal with me, and he made me understand what profit
participation means.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
So yeah, yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Why I could never do nothing but show that man
respect and love because he changed my life. It wasn't
about eighteen point seventeen points twenty point Rosy. It was
about when we make dollar one.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
You make dollar one, real partnership, real participation.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
And that you can't pay for. And up to that
point I didn't learn that. I was like, Oh, here's
twenty thousand dollars, go in and produce the record. You
gotta pay for engineering, you gotta pay for studio, you
gotta pay for that. I like, what is this. That's
why I got to the point where I was like, oh,
so this is the other side of the business, don't
I don't. I love producing, but this is better. Financial

(27:29):
economics makes more sense here, So this is what I
need to be doing. So that's just like, you know,
that's just something that you learn by applying yourself to
be around the right people. You can't learn greatness unless
you're around greatness. And I still feel like Barry Doug Morris,
Jimmy Ivean, Tommy Mattola, Clive Davis. I learned greatness from

(27:51):
those guys.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
All.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
I take something from all of them and become who
I am. And none of them ever told me to
just do this kind of music, got that kind of
music whatever I felt. Those guys all support me. Like Clyive,
we had a group called Into You the Guys Act Crazy.
It was bugging out Clive's events. Put another group together,
I said, Clive, but you haven't even seen them, he said,

(28:13):
I don't care if I've seen them. I see you.
Whatever you want to do.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
I see you. How are you deciding where you were
taking projects? Because you had so many relationships early on, right,
because before I had met you, which I can't even
I can't even count how many years i've known you.
At this point, I've known you my whole adult life.
I feel like that's crazy. And you were known as
the guy who had business everywhere because, as you said,

(28:45):
you literally threw out all the top label executives at
that time. And they're more obviously, but you had business
with all of them. Like, how were you because because
that's another thing, right, because we all know once you
get you get that first hit, or you get that
first project that pops, everybody's coming. So how were you

(29:06):
deciding as an executive? Okay, this fits here.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
I feel like early on in my career I was
very likable because I didn't want to do the BS.
I didn't want to screw nobody over. I didn't want
to BS. I didn't want to be at your party.
I didn't want to hang out with you. I wanted
to do to work. So all those guys respected me.
So when when I called their phone, they picked up
the phone. So if I called Clyde first and he

(29:31):
picked up the phone and I said a meaning for him,
I'm want to see him if I called when I
when I got down to meeting Doug. When I met Doug,
me and Doug were like two pieces of the pott.
I was my guy. When I met Doug and Doug
told me, he said, Vince, who do you want to
work with? In my building? I said, I want to
work with Jimmy Ivan because I had never worked with Jimmy.
Doug calls Jimmy on the phone, Jimmy, what are you doing?
I guess he was still home in the baby say

(29:53):
get out the bed, come to the office right now.
I had three little girls called the Click Girls and
God got the same time. I signed both of those
artists the same day, and Doug said, Vince, this is
what you want to do. He said, Jimmy, this is
what we're gonna do. We're gonna work with Vince. And
that's how that relationship happened. And Doug said, never go
to the parties. Never hang out, do the work. I've

(30:16):
never been to one of Jimmy and Ivan's parties. And
we've had the most successful career I ever had in
my life. Oh yeah, I've never been to his house
to a party. I've never been to his house for
an Easter party. There's a certain amount respect and never.
I don't know what the Christmas party looked like. I

(30:40):
can't even do that.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
I have my daughter.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
I was like, she got to see this, that's fright,
and you did. To be honest, I did that at
my house with my son. I brought to know in
LA because it's like when you get around stuff, you
see it and you understand it. But I just never
wanted to be in the club. And Doug said, don't
be in the club. He said, they'll respect you more
if you're not in the club. Never went to one
basketball game with Jimmy, Ivan, none of that. When I

(31:05):
when I put Jimmy's name on my record with me
and Gaga, he said, Vince, take my name off that
I'm betting on you. I don't know what this is.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
So how does the how does the A Kon connection
come in?

Speaker 1 (31:17):
A Kon worked with Jimmy so Jimmy brought Akon and
to take Ga Gay to clubs and do stuff like that.
And Akon had a good relationship with Red One. But
I discovered Goga. I meet Goga. You can go to
the clip that I'm doing with Netflix and got God
tell you. If there's anyone that should raise their hand

(31:39):
for the reason that Go Go is here, it should
be him. But he would never do it. And it's
no disrespect. That just is what on R and B
Money podcast, I'm telling the world, like Vincent Herbert discovered
and made Lady Goga. You can call it. You can
go look the facts, you can pull it up. It
is what it is. It just is. You know, my

(31:59):
friend named Rob who sorry called me. He said, venture
you should hit his girl. Sit me a song on
my Space. The next day, I call my friend Joelne
put Gaga on a plane. First time she went for
a business class for to La. She had a pair
of fish netstockings, a bra, some panties and a blazer on.
She said at the piano she couldnot dance yet at
that time, and I said, I want to sign you.

(32:21):
She said, I want to sign with you. What I
got to meet with Sylvia I'll be right back. Sent
to go work with Lorianne Gibson, the teacher how to
dance in choreography. Lone calls me back and she goes.
She goes, muffin, She doesn't have it.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
She cap with a butt.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
I said, LG. Go back in that room and let
her do it. Again, said she has it. Trust me.
She said, Okay, brother, I'm going to listen to you,
but I don't see it. I said, You're never got
to see what I see. But trust me. Here we
are again. One hundred and seventy million albums later, she
has it. Yeah, it's incredible.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
How do you what is? What is your mind? Whose
mind is? Of course you discovered her, of course, but
as you go into staging and you go into the
nuances of the artists, the the the styling and just
working together.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
We used to have meetings on Wednesdays, myself, LG. God, God,
Troy and we would sit there and brainstorm.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
But you guys were brainstorming because you have that out
of this world like you see.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
It before it's done toek And that's what that's why
we have so many generic artists now, like you have
to be able to go wow, this Mic can be
on this stand and be flexible like this. Where is
the consistence of hard work. No one does it anymore.
Everybody wants it to be served up on a platter

(33:57):
and give them to them. No, we did the word.
There's plenty of times that I When god Go was
doing Just Dance, she calls. She's like, Vince, I'm almost
finished the song. I said, don't print nothing. I'm coming
to the studio right now. Go to record plan. Hear
the song. That's why you hear do that just dance?
I was like, don't put them all lyrics songs done.
You gotta be in it. You gotta be in it,
you gotta feel it. Gota is a very dope vision

(34:20):
area as well. Can't take that from her. And we
had an incredible hell of a team.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
That's why I was going to say, that's.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
What that's like the construction of y'all team. And that's
and that's ultimately what led to the first question. Even
with a coon being involved, all of those things married
together made a different type of magic.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Absolutely, it made something that will never be made again.
Even though in my back pocket, I feel like I
got the next guy goy, just like I told Jimmy
I had the next Madonna. You always striving for better
and higher because that's what I do. I'm not I'm
not coming out to play unless I'm ready to fucking win,
coming out just to show up. Because our business, we

(35:02):
get together. Everybody lied to each other, have a good
you know, you see each other, and you don't never
We got to stop that. It's ludicrous. It's crazy, Like,
how do we think our business has gotten to the
place where it is now? Where when you go and
you look at the landscape and the color and the
shape of our business, you don't see in all black

(35:24):
R and B department.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
You don't don't You don't see the pop department being
the new Steve Berman's and the new Jimmy I Beans
and a new Brenda Romano's.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
You don't see that. You It's it's lost. Everyone thinks
they can do it because of technology. Technology don't make
you feel that record. That record makes you feel that record.
You gotta feel it, you gotta understand it. Yeah, you
gotta spill the analytics like, oh my god, I'm so
glad you said that. I don't care about a number.

(35:57):
If you want to work with me, I don't care.
If you got one number one one stream, if you
got the integrity and the passion and the perseverance and
the words to say yes and thank you, let's go
make history. Other than that, it doesn't matter because God,
God didn't have one of those things, none of it.
No jo Jo didn't have none of those things. Tamar

(36:17):
had six record deals before she met me, and she's
still touring and still working and doing what she does
on one album. It's just how passionate do you want
to be about your job? And we all say, oh,
we want to do this, we want to do it, Dode,
we really want to do the work. Doug Morris bought
Jimmy Evans labeled twice for two hundred million dollars twice.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
And then.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
What Doug Morris what Jimmy and Ivans labeled twice for
two hundred million dollars.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
It was dak kracking.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
At Atlantic after they said it was too hip hop
and in this whatever whatever. Then they left went the
Universal ducks our Universe over there with Vivindi and then
he bought the company again. But again I say that
to say, look how those people work together. Yeah, we
don't do that, but then we can plan and we

(37:18):
hate on each other. We talk about each other, and
we disrespect each other just by the mere fact of
like putting each other down. Like all my relationships. I
want to see y'all have all my relationships, because that's
how you propel success. That's how you grow. You don't
grow by, you know, keeping crabs in a barrel. That
doesn't get us anywhere. It's not fair, it's so wrong. Like,

(37:43):
think about how much they bought the Face Records for.
Think about how much they brought Deaf Jam Records for.
To think about what Doug paid for Jimmy's label Night
and Day.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah, and you.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Can sit here, We can sit in here and be
totally honest with each other. The Face Records is probably
one of the greatest labels of all the time. I
can sit here and say I can name about five
or six artists. That's so ten main albums, Superstars, Super Outcast,
Tony Braxton, TLC. It's ridiculous. Yeah. I worked on a

(38:21):
Boomerang soundtrack too.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Yeah, just in case you didn't know.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
That the case. So I did a remix for the
Tony Braxton song LA used my drums and then we
had we fixed it we all cleared it all up.
You know, all the production. I love La. This is
my guy, shout out to La. But my drums, you
know what I mean. But we fixed it. But again
that he was like thins. It was so good. The
production was so incredible. I just my record had to

(38:49):
sound like that. But that's that competitism, you know what
I mean that you can't be mad at that. Yeah,
you can't be upset. I wasn't mad. Was okay cool,
And we talked about it and we fixed it absolutely.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
How much I get exactly? Let me see the split sheet.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Tony Braxx is another one hard worker. Did how many
ways on her first album Myself.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
How many ways?

Speaker 3 (39:13):
I love that song?

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Again, these songs when I would do this stuff, I
would always have a hook to the song. So the
lyrics wasn't done yet, but the track was done, the
melody was done, the hook was done. Brian Reid called me,
he said, we love it, we want to cut it.
Went went down to Atlanta cut the record. After we
finished the record, when it had Chinese food. I remember
these things like a clear day, because these moments you

(39:41):
can't forget it. Our Kelly came in, did the remix
same thing with No No No brought and produced that
song at the single Why Cleft came and did the remix,
My brother from Jersey.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
You did great work, work that stood the test of time.
So it's a testament to everything you're saying in terms
of the work and the heart and soul that was
put into it. Like to me, that is that is
the separator.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Oh absolutely, I'm one of one and I know it,
and I'm comfortable with saying it now. It took me
a long time to get comfortable in my skin because
I'm a very reserved, laid back, shy person. And God,
God was events. You did this. Don't be afraid to
stand in what you did.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
This is your If it's somebody I can tell you
to jump out into your life's God got.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Even down to mindless behavior.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Yeah, yeah, behavior.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Jimmy just said, events, do whatever you want. Those guys
were selling out five thousand sitars four and three times
a week with no record at radio, no record, no
record at radio. I put a telephone number in the
video that we were getting seventy five to fifty thousand

(41:11):
calls a day to an ante machine pandemonia. So you
see the research. Now you go to TikTok. My olins
behavior is in the top ten right now today. Shout
out to Walton Millset, my partner on that project.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
O my god.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah, I mean, but it's just all of those things,
Like look, man, I can't wait till I'm able to
teach my class and educate people on what it really takes.
Because it's just the it factor. You just got to
know it and you don't know it, you know what
I mean, Like, you guys knew that this was needed.
This is an it factor. No one else is doing this,
and if they try, it's not to this level and

(41:52):
not to this magnitude because it's something that you guys
birthed and you know what you're talking about Like this
to me, Like I was talking to Chris when were
talking about doing the show. He was like, Oh, I
can't believe they want me to do that show. Vince,
what do you feel about that? I'm like, it's a
great show, Chris, You're gonna kill it. You guys are
given people opportunities that tell their story on a platform

(42:13):
when you could make it all about yourself. Even gonna
still tune in and watch because it's fun. It's great,
it's cool, it's information and you guys are doing it
at a high level. But no one's you can't come
back and do you know it's a lot of podcasts,
a lot of shows going on. This show is different,
Thank you man. No, I mean I want I know

(42:33):
they ever catch me with the BS, I cannot bullshit.
I don't want to lie to you. I'm not in
that place. I just like the truth. That's why I
don't talk too much because the truth don't always fit
with everybody. You guys are doing something great, and I
think the more that we stretch that greatness and make
it diverse. And you got these people and like we
didn't get to get him too many on this podcast
before he passed away. I got from that guy just

(42:55):
hanging up with that guy or Cool from cooling the game.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah, yeah, those.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Are my neighbors. Used to go in the basement and
play the bass when Cool was out of town.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
That's crazy, is that man?

Speaker 2 (43:09):
When Cool was out of town.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah, me and Harkanes to go down there the States
to have lit speaker that was like tall as tall
as you and you just plug plugging, plug up the
bass or whatever. Yeah, it's just incredible. But that is
like what we're missing and being able to have that
ability to touch those things, find those things, be a
part of those things. Like everybody today, it's like and

(43:34):
again I said it before and I hate to repeat myself,
but it's so novelty, like we have to get past that.
People want to feel something, man, That's why the first
people that make them this Kyle Lotte record. Love this record.
She's inspired by beyond by brand.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
You can feel it, absolutely, absolutely, you can feel it.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
She's not away from it, and she's she's embraced helling exactly.
How many people do that, Like that's so many. I'm
so proud of her for doing that because she's actually
being honest about her craft and her work like this
is this is mind blowing with y'all age what I'm
telling you.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Vince, I remember talking to you. I think I want
to say it was the studio that we all shared
with Harvey off of Now that's the second one, off
of violin.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Which one was that one.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
That was the old track? And you were like, Shay,
I'm getting into film and television And I was like, okay,
right in which and you said the Braxtons they need
to be on TV. And at this point Tony Braxton

(44:48):
is very reserved. She doesn't she's you know, she's Tony Braxton.
And this isn't the time where Tony Braxton goes and
does a reality television show. And I'm like, you're gonna
get Tony Braxton.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Dude, took me about seven months a convincer.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
And you were like, Jay, it's gonna be great. It's
gonna be great.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Seven months of convincer because television at that time, to
me is like the reality world. Tamar woke up one
day was like, Yo, we should do a reality show
in my family. That's how it happened. And I went
and like everything, I'm not gonna lose. Let go make
it happen. And Tony was like, I don't know if
we should do it. Da da da da, and plus
her soul, she did it and it changed everybody's life,

(45:29):
Like they all have got this. It's the longest running
African American show in the history of television.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Are you serious?

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Wow, yes, congratulations, go practice yes, go.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
I spent one point two million dollars of my own
money to make that show.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
So you shot it. I paid for it and paid
for it, yes, before it was ever asked oh wow, yes.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
You can't talk about stuff and don't do something. Believe
it him and I know you can't. You can't just
be like, oh I got decided, No, go execute it,
and go execute it. Let's not talk about this being
don't prove exactly same thing with the Talk show with
the Real with Tamar. That was that was we'd started
that show with Tamar being a new young Wendy Williams,
and then we sat down, we met with every production

(46:17):
company and fell in love with Telepictures and they were like, oh,
we want to put the show on the on the Internet.
I said, well, she's already on two different televisions. I
said that's not going to work for me. So they
were like, so what do you want to do and
we said, well, let's make an ensemble and then they
was be like, so Tamorrow, who do you want on?
That show was at the Beverly Hills Hotel. I'll never
forget it, Tamar said. Adrian Bylawn and Tamara and then

(46:42):
Telepictures had deals with Lannie and with Jenny, but it
was Tamar's idea.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
I still have a picture and nominated backstage I still
got a picture backstage, so wild at Ship is when
he did the show and it's you Lashawn Daniels, Wow
and uh so and little Chicken Hawk, Geni, y nephew
and y'all all have on I'm seeing it in my head.

(47:07):
I got on black shirts and camouflage shorts.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
I remember that day. I was like, who didn't get
the number?

Speaker 3 (47:14):
All y'all have on the same fit, And I'm like,
I gotta take a picture.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yep, I remember that.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yep. It's like I have to take this picture.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
I remember that day so clearly.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
So how does if you can get into that, how
does that show go from being y'all show to someone
else's show?

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Because if you don't own the IP, it's someone else's show,
bottom line. But again, education, knowledge will make you understand that.
And I don't get mad if things don't go the
right way the first time. He won't go the wrong
way the second time because I'm gonna learn. But owning
your IP is everything. That's why I say, like, I

(47:53):
really want to educate and bring people to understand our business. Like,
you know, we get this whole thing about out the
masters and the you know, the public, like it's First
of all, it just sounds racist, like the master masters
and the slave.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yeah, yeah, it bothers me.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
I just don't talk about it. But it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Yeah no, I mean that was done purposely.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yeah, but it's just so wrong.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
But you've got to be educated about your business. You
have to understand your business. You can't blame someone else.
You have to know one plus one equals to every day. Yeah,
it's not going to change, not going to go away.
It is what it is. But we have to be
willing to allow ourself to not just be creative, but
understand the business. It's called the music businesses.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
For me, what you said, what you just said is
that in terms of I mean not making any excuses
because I think we live in a space where we're
not going to let anybody or anything dictate and stare
us away from our goal.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Mm hm, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
And so what are maybe some of the some of
the pitfalls and some of the things that you ran
into to where you know, you you really had to
buckle down and say, you know.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
I think Russian.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
No patience.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
At first, You're so excited sign anything, do anything, just
because you want to be in it still a business.
That's the number one thing I tell people, like you know,
it's not about finding the best, biggest lawyer that you
think it is. Find somebody that's dedicated to you. To you,
it's like being in a relationship with a man or

(49:38):
a woman like you want somebody that you can bet on,
that's going to bet on you, that's going to be
there when you need them. And our business, you know,
making mistakes going to happen continuously, but it's how you
recover from a mistake and really being able to take
accountability for the mistake, knowing that, oh I did this
this time, I'm not going to do this this time again,

(49:58):
and it's okay.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
My deal with Jojo wasn't my deal that I met
with Gag. Totally different night and day that you learned,
you learned, and I learned, and I learned. I grew
from my deal with Puffy with Dream to my deal
with Barry with Jojo to my deal with Doug and
Jimmy with Gaga is totally different.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
So you had an even better deal. As for the
guy got deal, absolutely that she tells one hundred and
seventy million.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Absolutely absolutely, you're supposed to do better.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Yes, you're supposed to grow and you but you only
grow by make a mistake if you go through those
things exactly.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
And then you understand too that you know, there's so
much money in our business, Like I want to encourage
people to go look at uncollected funds. You might have
changed your lawyer, you might have changed your accountant. You
got so much money just sitting there, but no one
tells you.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
I'm glad you said that, because there's this false narrative
that goes around about there's no money in music. Oh
my god, don't let these people lie to you. They're
lying to you, and don't let them fool you because
they also don't want you to go look for the
money exactly, and they don't want you to get the
money and make the right deal.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
You are one step away from changing your life every
single day.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Only thing you can hit the line is this close
thing to the lottery. We say that all the time.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
It's what you want to put into it is what
you will get.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Out of it any day. I love that too, love
what I do because everybody won't admit that.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
I'm so excited about finding the new artists because it's
like okay cool. Anybody can come work with a God
gouy now I make got go. Anybody can come work
with Destiny and Beyonce. I gave him a first hit, right.
Anybody can come work with Tony Braxton. I was on
the first outm Me and Pisala was the only other
producers besides Baby facing La on that whole album. So
it's those things that you know you forget like those,

(52:00):
It's better than any award, any Grammy, any play, like
you actually gave birth to something, create something like that's
like phenomenal. Joe Joking the work with whoever she went.
I found you when you were eleven, when I have
to used to go buy you sweatsuits and get your
clothes change for us to go to meetings. I saw
that in you, the Little black Man from Nork, New Jersey.

(52:21):
I saw that, and I love it because I saw
something in you where I was helped able to help
you get your talent.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
To the world. That's incredible.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
That's just incredible.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
I want to make sure I say something though, because
this is something that you know that and it's off topic,
but I like to make sure. So when I was
explaining that picture, I always want to make sure I
give everybody their life. So shout out to my young
boy Chris, I called me. We called him chicken Hawk.
I don't think you like Yeah, but we don't still
call it we uns, so we're gonna call it. But

(52:54):
I want to make sure I said his name though,
you know what I mean, because that's the other thing too,
And just in connected and just listening to you and
the way you tell your story and the way that
you always make sure that everybody that's been a part
of it you speak about them.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
It's enough room for everybody.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
The only people that don't do that are the insecurity
people that want you to feel like it's all about
them when they did that. No, Jesus Christ had disciples.
It wasn't just him making bread and making wine. He
had disciples to work and help him. We all need somebody, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
And the things that you spoke about of all, what
I've noticed is all your your stuff has been collaborative efforts.
Even you know, a lot of people don't know about
you as three boys from Newark, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
I forget about that sometimes. Shout out to Kaymic Griffin,
that was my guy that produced a lot of those
records with me back in the day. Gosh to take
the bus to path train, have ten dollars in my
pocket to get to New York, to get a hot
dog and some the drink, go to my meeting and
get back to Jersey.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
The grind, the grind.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
My mom died when I was twelve, and my life changed.
It's like you just grow up, you know. And my
dad died soon thereafter, and my dad would always say,
I just want to go be with your mom. And
it just made me work hard.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
I grew.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
I became a man at twelve years old, you know.
And I'm never the person to sit here and go
I'm perfect. I did this, I did that. But at
the end of the day, I worked my ass off.
No one gave me nothing. Everything that I've accomplished in
life I work for and I love it, and I
love it that way, and I want to change it
for nothing in the world. It's just the thing that
makes you want to work harder is you know you're

(54:43):
working for it, and you got to be accountablefore weather
goes bad, right, left, wrong, It's just it is what
it is.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Yeah, Now you've you've been an inspiration for all of us,
bro And I don't know if I've ever told you that.
There was a time I remember you you called me.
You said, oh, you know, in your tone, yeah, doing
a little doing a little like birthday celebration thing. That's
just just come by. So I'm like, all right, you know,
I gotta go by Van's crib. And I can tell

(55:12):
you I think everybody knows about me. I don't go everywhere.
I know that I go places where where the love
is right. And I'm like, got real love for Vince.
I'm pulling up, get up, you know, let me get
a nice little bottle to take to his house, right
because I had never been there at this point. So
I get to Vince's house and he had the house

(55:34):
that didn't end. I don't know if people know about
those types of of the states. And I had my
little bottle, and you know, I put it on the table.
Then I looked over and it was like a thousand
of the second bottles.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
I was like, okay, all right, cool.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
And then I get to the backyard and it's on
football field, and I'm like, he did it. He did
it because, like I said, I've known you for so
many years and I've watched the continuous growth in your
career and to see someone that I looked at as

(56:12):
my brother and my peer in this thing that we
call music and to see you get to that level
was like, Oh, this is inspiring because it's therefore because
I know Vince, this is not oh I'm watching Eddie
Murphy on TV. I don't know Eddie Murphy Mury, but
I don't know it. I know Vince. I've watched Vince

(56:33):
go from meeting the meeting. I've watched Vince tell me
about this artist and that artist, and some that worked.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
And some that didn't, and more more more more that didn't.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
And to see this man in this space, I was like,
this is amazing.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
And then another thing too. I want us to pay
attention to our publishing game so important. Shout out to
the interns. I signed him when nobody knew that.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
So all those records, God forget kkkkk uh in.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
The kind of everything's about as.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Him, the Big Seawan record, it was all a part
of my publish and catalog. It's the Fine China record.
I signed that kid that did that record. But it's
just important to understand that have vision, you know, to
be loud, but she going to your.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Work, he said, small sneaky, not sneaky, No, no, no,
not sneaky in a bad sit when you see it though, Yeah,
you gotta have the.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Eye to day was the best way. You can't sit
there and be like, oh, oh boys talented. Let me
let Paul and Peter come know.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
What you do quick? What's going on with you? What
you need?

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Absolutely get your right.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Shout out to my man Felly who did the Usher record.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Yeah, super dope. He's incredible.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Kind assigned him at Hello. Good guy was very excited
to me me. I was excited to meet him. I'm like, no, man,
go get a different deal. But you just have to
be able to know. Now I work with him on
a regular It's just about two records on Chris's album,
but you just gotta know, like nobody would ever thought
the kid that did find China would be the guy
who did that record. I want to talk to everybody.

(58:23):
I want to turn over every rock because that's the
only way you find it. You just never know where
it's going to be.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
So you're still actively looking for talent, looking for writers, producers, artists, everything.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
I'm still in the music business. Yes, yeah, So I'm
in everything this music. I don't let nothing else get
in the way of that, because at the end of
the day, is still about a great song and a
great artist. Never gonna change. We can have Ai, we
can have just Left Eye whatever, Bi, it doesn't matter.

(58:57):
You still got to have a record that emotion connects
with people, and you still got to find an artist
that can deliver those records.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
AI hasn't felt that because I want to see it
lies exactly. I need to see it.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
You want to go to one of the greatest shows
on earth, which is Chris Brown. Phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
That's then actual person.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
I don't think AI can do what Chris Brown did
when I saw that show.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
I just watched Usher roller skating scene.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Unbelievable, unbelievable. Oh, by the way, I worked on Usher's
very first album too. You know, just like just love
what I do, love what I do, think, love what
I But I got to tell my stories. I gotta
tell my.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Kids talking the story.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
You know what I mean. I just love what I
do and I and I've never ever been this vocal
in my life, and I'm liking the vents and that's talking,
you know, like it's it's okay, it's it's nothing.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Wrong with because there has to be, respect has to
be and we.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Got to tell the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
And I'm glad when we see you outside and you pulled
up on us in Miami. You have to do it, I.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Said, I said, take it is that it That was
all because you know, people be wanting to go outside
in South You'll be wanting to go outside, So you
just go outside, you know what I mean. But because
it's like to me, I don't be liking the bs,
and I can't stand when the people just like be
lying about stuff like be honest, you're not gonna call me.

(01:00:27):
I'm not gonna call you. Let's just say hi and
keep it moving. Well, let's just listen to the music
and keep it moving. But the other stuff is crazy.
But I like when I said, I love going to
where we can get along as people and enjoy good
music and have a good time, and you know the
cocktails of I mean, just enjoying life. Why can't we
do that. Why can't we all just get along listener

(01:00:49):
to our music. It makes the world go around. And
I think a lot of times what I've experienced too,
when people haven't experienced is there's a big world out there.
America is one place, but God got I got to
go around the world ten times over. I got to
be in a room with thirty thousand people and guess what, y'all,
I'm the only black man.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
In the room.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
And this girl sits on stage and go If it
wasn't for him, guys, the guy back there with behind
the mic, behind the board, I wouldn't be here.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
We go to Lots of a Loser the first time,
and it's her performer to be in my stage. And
when she starts, there's about one hundred people. When she
gets done, there's five people, myself, her mom, Tamar, and
somebody else. And we come back and there's one hundred
thousand people sinking every word. And she yells from the stage, Vince,

(01:01:42):
what do you think about this?

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Ha?

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Ha? And me and Steve Burman just high five in
each other. It's unbelievable. Man. I did that. I really
did that. I really did that. I want people to
know that you don't worry about how you look, who
you are. You can do it too. But I've done that.
I've cross the mountaintop in our business of success with artists,

(01:02:06):
from Brown Zero. Nobody knew who A Gaga was when
I started with people thought I was crazy. I thought
I was crazy tank. They did not pay attention to it.
Now everybody takes credit and want to do this, do that.
I sit back and laugh. I wait for the Netflix
pision to come out and I'll laugh again. But I
did the work. What we're working on it now. It'll

(01:02:30):
be out next year. But it's really really, it's really
really special to me because it's something that covers, you know,
some of the great people that I spoke about, from
the Clive Davis to the Doug morris Is, to the Jimmys,
to got God to marry to this one to that one,
to Steve Stout. I mean, just so many people, and
you really get to hear my story, like and I

(01:02:52):
think that's an incredible thing. Not why I'm dead and gone,
but actually hear it now. Yeah, Like Clarence Avon, great guy,
Like I wish we had more time with him for
his story. The times I sat with this guy at
the Beverly Hills Hotel having Munch's unbelievable. This is incredible,
his life, his story. I wish these kids could see
that and understand the legacy of what really happens with

(01:03:15):
these guys that have paved the way for us, and
we don't pay enough homage to them. Like that's not cool.
We gotta we gotta do better with that. We have
to uplift each other and support each other. People have
People should be calling y'all every week, like, Yo, can
I get on the show? It's a safe platform. You
get to tell you a story and it's not cut

(01:03:35):
up and you doing thing. It's like, we got to
get into that. We got it. We were missing out
on so much of the happiness. I hate when people
pass away. Everybody a picture up and oh I miss you.
That drives me crazy and like did you call that
man last week? Like just before I walked in here,
I'll be sure on my phone, Like Vince, I want

(01:03:56):
to work with what we're doing. Like that's what you
want to hear, yep, Carl Thomas, Vince when we get together,
when we working, Like these are guys that you want
to see that you want to do it and it's possible.
Shout out to Carl Thomas, Shout out to Total I
did that too, you know, yeah, Total, yeah, me in faith,

(01:04:18):
I can't even remember everything taken because it just comes
to me out the blue. You know what I mean,
I forget, I just do, but it just you know,
those things happened. Ed x Sign too, I forgot to
mention ed ex Sign was the first person to give
me a remix on this group called Small Change. Pay
me twenty five hundred dollars for a remix? Never catch
the check?

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Did you never cast it?

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
It was about the opportunity. It wasn't about the twenty
five dollars. I was like, I finally got my foot
in Mercury Records and I was able to maneuver that
to who I am today. All I asks us for
the opportunity, I'm gonna run through it. I'm good at that.

(01:04:59):
I'm a through it and run through it and run
through it because I just want the opportunity. I just
want to do the work. I ain't worried about the labels.
I did the dumb stuff at twelve cars at one time.
For what, I can't draw them all at the same time.
The house she talking about was twenty five thousand square
foot three acres of land. It doesn't make sense. It's like, okay, cool,

(01:05:19):
I couldn't even see my son in the playroom.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
It took you a while to get there. There in
a minute, I'm on the way.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
But no, you learn and you live and you grow.
And I hope that I can be a blessing to
the new generation, to the old generation, people that I've
never even spoke to, because I want to share my
story and I want to share my information and I
want to see people do better. Yeah, I really really
really mean that, Like that's important to me, like not
to just talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
I think thinking me and Jail I've always talked about
especially when we have, like you know, legends sit here
and and give this information and we've all been connected
in so many ways. It's like, what is the what
is the infrastructure where where we can do that very thing,

(01:06:19):
where we can take care of these artists the way
you took care of Jojo, the way you took care
of god Goy, where we can show them the game
and teach them the game, but also elevate them to
a place to where now they can take that and
run with it themselves. But what does that infrastructure look like?
Because in between all of us, all these names you're

(01:06:42):
saying all the night, but I mean we're all we're
all connected. What does that infrastructure look like? How do
we get there to where? You know, we're controlling that narrative.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Because I want to definitely make sure that we help
our elders have health insurance.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Yes, in its business.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
It's like it drives me crazy, like to see these
people suffer just because they can't afford to pay three
hundred and fifty dollars a month for health insurance. When
I got sick and I was in the hospital, my
bill probably was way over two million dollars. I was
sick for forty days. I was in the hospital. I
was in a coma for five days. It was paralyzed

(01:07:19):
from my neck down. When I came out, couldn't walk.
And then I had to go through therapy for thirty
days after that. All from flying too much. But we
don't teach that, like they tell you to get on
the plane and buckle up. Had seven massive.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Blood clots from being in the air.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
From being in the air, flying on those private planes, wow,
flying all over the world, the same thing I was
in the hospital for. Heavy d died from. I was
in the hospital when he died, watching it on the news,
and that was my Guy Heavy and Teddy. I put
both of them in the studio when I did God
got a repack of her album and Teddy did this

(01:07:57):
song called Teeth and have then finished his record whatever.
But I've been passing it for it for a long time,
just helping people and not talking about it. But those
things that we have to fix, those things. Healthcare is
so important because our world that we live in. You
don't have it, you go to the hospital, dcend you
somewhere else, or either you wind up sick and nine.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Yeah, my mom.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Was a nurse, so I really really paid attention that
I said, if your pinky hurt, your body's talking to you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Pinky hurt, your body talking to you? Yeah, my shoulder.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
But no, No, there's so many things that we don't pay attention,
especially when it comes to that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Like a blood clot is the most silent killer of
all time. Starts in your ankle, travels up to your leg,
hits your heart, hit your lung, and then its lights
out and you never even know it came, never knew
it came.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Are there ways since you dealt with it? Are there
ways that you that there are certain little signs though
the other day.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Like you said, you know, so it's something that happens
and occurs in African American people, Asian people, and people
of color more than Caucasian people. What we need to
do is find out if it's something genetic, like if
your family had it, it's you know, go to the doctor,
follow up on that. But it's like when your body

(01:09:24):
doesn't get enough oxygen. These little things called little rocks,
they occur in your body. Those rocks are the blood cloths,
and they travel and they hit those little things and
it hits your lung, in your heart and yours out.
But there's things that you can be aware if your
body's like for me that whole day when it happened
to me, it was in New York. We were doing
an NBC special with Gaga, and our back was hurting

(01:09:47):
all day and then I started getting shortens of breath
and I said, let's go to the doctor. I went
to the doctor. Thank god, I would listen to myself.
He was like, you're having muscle spasms. Go home, take
these pills and call me in. The more I got
to the front door of his office, I told the driver,
take me to the nearest hospital. Something don't feel right.
And I got to the hospital and they was like, oh,

(01:10:08):
we gotta get a profofall and we're going to induce
you into this coma. And the guy in the hospital
just off the rit Yeah, because they were massive. They
can see the blood HUDs.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
They didn't see it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
No, he didn't see it at the office. No, I
would have been dead if I listened to him. Mountain
signat hospitals. Who saw it? Lady by the name of
doctor maryam McLoughlin saved my life. I still go see
it to this day. But she saw it. There was
some young doctor in the hospital. He was like, oh,
call your friends and family. He's not going to make it.
Just after the second day in the hospital, you can
hear him say that yes, s yes, got guy and

(01:10:46):
Tamar found doctor Mary M McLaughlin and that lady saved
my life. Well, that's why I'm still able to sit here.
And that's why I refuse too, like I'm not going
to be quiet about what I do and who I am. Okay,
I got a big thing to talk about, my parents.
My mom died at twelve, Like I'm quite sure she

(01:11:08):
wanted to say a lot more before she got here.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Absolutely, but you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Have to be mindful of that, Like, don't take it
for granted, don't take the day for granted, the time
for granted, your life for granted. Go to work, make
the best song you could ever make, be a great person,
be respectful and diligent, and be considered other people's time.
We don't do that in our business. When I've worked
with the other people, they show up one time, People

(01:11:31):
like Vince, all you want to do is work with
white people and pop people. I'm like, no, I want
to work with people that want to show up and
go to work. How about that. I've never remember Jojoe
being late for a studio session. Never talk about it,
talk about it, and we look like those are.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
The conversations that were not happening.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
It would not happen because everybody's like doing this BS
game where they're playing with each other's mind and hearts
and feelings, and it's like, it's okay to be honest,
you gotta be honest. I'm so glad you guys are
having that reunion for the underdogs at the Grammys.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
So heard about that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Yeah, I got invited today.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
I've always been an underdog in the back. So my
my position was three o'clock, four o'clock in the morning,
either Harvey sitting on my couch or Damon sitting on
my couch and we're talking about life and legs and
get off the ledge and do this and do that.
Get Harvey come out here. We'll still go to lunch

(01:12:37):
and go to dinner. Damon was going through what they
was going through. I was rooting for them to be together.
I didn't want them to break up, you know what
I mean. So, no, you gotta be a good person.
Shout out to James Trounce Leroy. Yeah, yes, help him
out his wrong deal and got it right. Just being quiet,

(01:12:59):
just the right thing for people.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
He did that. Yeah, I like what. I like what
you're doing. Man, It's okay to be nice.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Okay to be nice, and it ain't got to be
that you got to get something from it. Just do
the right thing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
And I'm I'm really hoping that people are are understanding that.
You know, it was the talent, of course, was the
eye the love for the thing, for sure, but the
character is is a lot of what has sustained you.

(01:13:38):
I'm glad you see that and protected those relationships and
things that are ship still iron class to this day.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
I had a great mother and father. Yeah, never see
my parents drink, argue and fight, smoke. God bless you
know whoever does that, God bless you. But I had
integery in our house. We ate at seven thirty. My
mom would say, how is your day? How was your day?
We talked. My dad cooked every day. My mom only
cooked on holidays. We had, you know, people come to

(01:14:06):
our house that was homeless or I needed somewhere to talk.
And my mom and be like, oh baby, just here
for the weekend and it needs me and your dad just
gonna pray with them. So there was integrity at hello
and I still carry that, you know my day to
day walk like it's free to say hello, it's free
to say thank It costs nothing. When you sit down
and eat at the table, you should ask the waiter
what is your name? Yeah, it's consideration. They're bringing your food. Yeah, well,

(01:14:32):
wouldn't you want to say have a great day, or
I think you. I appreciate you. It's not going to
kill you. But we get so caught up in ourselves
in this world that we do in our business. It's like,
you know, there are people too, like people are supposed
to do the exactly like, no, it's not cool.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
It's not cool.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
It's not cool. And it shows the lack of respect
that you actually have for yourself for real, that you've
gotten so mighty that you can't even be respectful to
somebody bringing you food to.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
You, the person you would want to be respectful bring
your food.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
You want that could go bad exactly quick fashion.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
No, but this is great. Guys, I'm so and just
and it's so much like, you know, we have to
come back again for more because I can't remember everything.
You just I.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Just figure it out as you go along.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
Next.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Yes, when I.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Discovered Prince, you know, he was was out Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
I can't those iconic pants I cut those.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
But you know what it's like, you know, you forget
what you do. I forgot that I was on John
like his management team, you know what I mean. He
just forget ship. You forget, but you know it is
what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
You just you just gotta like every time you think
of something new, you gotta you gotta write it. You
gotta have like a.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
I'm writing a book actually right now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
Yeah you should, yeah, you should. His is worse than mine.
I'm always with I can't tell you that always like, No,
didn't tell me that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
You didn't know you said this? Nigga said it one day.
So after I got kidnapped, I said, what are you
talking about? He said, I ain't tell you I got kidnapped. No, nigga,
you didn't tell me you got kidnapped. Oh yeah, I
got kidnapped, So.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
That is crazy. No, but I'm really I'm excited about
this book, really really Yeah what I did so when
I did dance music when I was thirteen. I'm gonna
make an EP for this album. I mean, for this
book that's gonna have eight songs with me singing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
On really you jumping back in the lab, I read
the song's already that's great. I love that's great.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Each chapter of the book is a song that I wrote,
a producer did something with.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
Yeah, I want to hear that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
I'm excited about It's really really good. Again, Like I said,
dance music is something that's very passionate to me.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
Oh you see, I see. I think he's fixing his mic.
He made a whole lot of dance money, A lot
of dance money.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
Mm hmmm, come on find it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
He took a little bit of.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Love.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Been hanging out. I'm tried anyway for you e vents Vince.
We've known you for a long time, brother, and we
are still discovering things about Tran great things, great things.

(01:17:58):
But on your journey, we know that a lot of
these things that you've done have been inspired by someone.
Your vocals, you're producing, your writing. Ah, there are people
that you've studied. They're people that you hold dear you

(01:18:19):
On R and B money, we call them your where
we call them.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Jam h Top five.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
It's Ashley your top five, Top five, your top five
R and B sing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
A song.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
We got to know big for you guy, rock this show.
Everybody wants to know your top Yes, top top, your.

Speaker 4 (01:19:13):
Top five, frush out the trap.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
Let me see what'll be my top five? I think
my number one would be Stevie Wonder.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
Hold o you done o?

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Your top five.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
R and B singers, That would have to be Stevie Wonder,
Come on? Why not?

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Probably good old Whitney Houston. Yeah yeah, kind of gets
tired after that. R and B. I love Mary j Blige,
Why not?

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
Joe?

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
I love Joe? Barbara Shop Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Barbara Shop, Joe Cream Cream Green. Who else? I probably
have to say Michael Jackson, hm hmm, not in that order.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Yeah, yeah, very strong, very strong.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Okay, your top five R and B songs, Gosh, be
really hard.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
All I do is think about you, Stevie Wonder, Michael
Jackson and Paul McCartney say say say hey.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
Somebody trying to tell me that sound one good one
day series.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
They just they this was jealous.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
That's a great way to put it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Who else did the barge?

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
He's waiting.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
So that record and.

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
M M.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Probably chewing about cooling the game?

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
Yeah, so cool in a gang in there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
It's a really good record.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
We got foe.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Let me see what else is gonna be? Five? It's
the song that Teddy Pentagrass did. It's like a wedding song.
What the name was the name of that song? I
can't think of what it's called right now. Need google
how my phone's dead? You getting no service down here?

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
You get no service down here.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
We're definitely in the dungeon.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
You know, tanks famous. We gotta you know, I gotta,
I gotta keep him hitting man. You know, the money
if they find out where he's that man.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
Oh yeah, that's it. Say see that something. How did
you know that it's a record? It's a really really
good record.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Okay, let's make your voltron your R and B super artists. Okay,
who you're going to get the vocal from to make
this artist? You're gonna get the performance style, who you're
going to get for the styling, you're gonna get for
the passion of the artist, And who's going to write
and produce for this artist? And she you know, so
that would be vocal the vocal what vocal? Michael Jackson,

(01:22:47):
Michael performance style, Chris Brown, Chris Okay, okay, the styling, styling.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
I gotta go back to them.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Cold buckles, glitter military, huh mil military.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
Mike is just special, man Like, it's like you don't
get that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
No one, Well, you know what's crazy? I mean he was.
He was clearly from the future. He was clearly clearly
alien clearly, but he did so much. He covered so
much ground to where it's hard it's hard not to

(01:23:36):
be great without grabbing something.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
From him, and he did it in such a short time.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Mike didn't have a lot of albums, but the impact ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Level. Never be a never impact of that, Mike. He
covered all of the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Yeah, you can get could just be a whole bolt run.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
No matter what you do, it's you want to be great.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
It comes to him.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
You have to you have to grab something.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
But he was. He was intentional, and everyone's not intentional.
He was intentional, like he set out to be innovative.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
I heard Mike say one time, like, that's what practice
is for.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
We're talking about practice.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
If people don't practice no more, they just get up
and they.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Go because it's it's it's this little thing, right, and
I'm gonna let you get back to your vultron. It's
zip because you said, Mike, and it's it sparked something
in me, and then you start talking about practice.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
It's the thing where maybe everybody could moonwalk, but the
way he moon walked and the way he practiced his
moonwalk and as often as he did his moon walk perfection,
it almost just became his moon.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Could And it is to me to this day, it's
Michael Moonwell, everybody can do it all they want.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
No one, you can't tell no, no, you can't tell
my son that the moonwalk existed before Michael Jacksons. He
won't believe you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Oh I forgot one thing too, Just another song, sus man,
tell me if you still care. Yeah, record, great record.
My son calls that the happy song. It's to play
in the car from all the time. Great record man again,
no protus, Oh yeah, I know all about that. Uh passion,

(01:25:45):
passion of the artists.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Who who? Who's what artist has the passion.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
That you back to Mike. Mike is just if you
want to be an artist, study him. There's nothing like
study the great so you can be greater and don't study.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Don't study the greatness. Don't study after after because once
you see the videos and once you see the show
and all of that ship, you can you can get
confused if you don't figure out how he got there.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
You gotta study at all.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
You got to start from the guining. You gotta start
from that living room. You gotta start from where he
picking fabric.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
You gotta start in that living room while he's watching
James Brown there in that little room.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Y'all gonna be here all day, do you get it right?

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Three hundred Jackson Street, Gary and is.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
Playing with that little uh was that mouse or whatever
he was playing with like there was something that triggered
him that made him different than anybody else in that house.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
It's born different. Yeah, he was called to a higher purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
There's something about being great, and there's something about being phenomenal. Yep,
Michael was phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
It's out of this world. He was out of this
world every generation.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
That's how I feel about myself. I'm just phenomenal and
that's not what the ego guys. I just know in
my soul of souls, I'm not going out to lose.
I'm gonna do whatever it takes to make it work.
When Brenda Romondo and the school team told me they
couldn't get the guy got record, just dance that. We

(01:27:31):
worked for nine months. What did Vincent do?

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
What did you do? What e Vincent do?

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
Vincent went and got twenty thousand dollars and started breaking
the record out of Canada.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
Huh into a whole nother country with it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
There's no excuses.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
Wow, shout out to the home and Cubo down its too,
managy'all my record?

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Yeah yeah, yeah, break it back down. So A Kon
was on the record first, Huh. Nobody know that Steve
Rifkin wouldn't clear a record. Oh ship, that's how cool
we got on the record.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Wow, diamond record.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
And if somebody won't clear something, you need me.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
There's always a backstory to a story.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Yes you know, but you are the backstory.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
And it's like you have no reason to ever do
anything else but tell the truth. Steve would not clear
a record, Love him and death, good friend of mine
to this day. But everybody don't see what you see.
Everybody don't get what you get after the fact. Everybody
want to dance and just dance and party all night long.
But you got to be able to see it when
no one can see it, when there's no frame around it,

(01:28:52):
when it's just absolutely abstract, like when you go to
these art shows like art Basator was this weekend. People
were seeing the finished product. What did it look like
before it got to our best? Did you see that?

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
How many? How many paintings did you throw away?

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
How many renditions?

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
How many you know what I mean? How much paint
did you go through? How much did it cost you
to get to that final paint?

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Absolutely? Yeah, So you've got to be able to have vision.
And that's what I feel like I have that. I
just thank God for it. I don't know where it
came from, but I just have the vision to know
what something is going to be before anybody else does.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
Love that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
Who's writing and producing for this artist? Quincy Jones myself?
You absolutely two greats.

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
Yeah I got another one though, I got another one
just for you. What executive are you taking it to?
Who you partnering with?

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
But no, no, no, no, you got it. But who
you partnering with? All the great executives name because it's
that now, now you got pick one.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
Jimmy Irvan. Jimmy's one of the greatest record guys ever
met in my life, and I'm so honored that I
got to learn from him because he made me be
better than myself was when I met him. Gets me
emotional because it's so many different things, like stories that
mean Jimmy just had a meetings that we had it

(01:30:34):
was just us, and how the process of that project
took a life of his own, and you know the records.
When I would play the records for him from God guy,
he would be like, oh, you need to give me
that record for Nicole or do this or do that,
or up for the pussy Cat Dolls, whatever, And that's
what artists don't see how hard you fight for you fight.

(01:30:54):
I fight for my artists. I never took no. I
never took like, oh, let's think about it, let me
come back to it. Like the artists don't see that.
They don't they don't see it. They don't get the
opportunity to really understand what we really do as executives
and as visionaries and people that are behind the scenes.
They don't understand it. Like there's so many things that

(01:31:16):
you don't even tell it artists because you don't want
to mess up them around or the energy or their
provision of what the future could be for them, So
you block those things from them, and then they take
it on. As you're trying to do this, you're trying
to control them. No, I'm actually trying to be a
blessing to you, so you don't hurt yourself because you
can't withdore what I can withdore. Your ability to hear

(01:31:37):
you know, no may be different than mine. I take no.
It's a blessing. The no sometime is the blessing, just
like the yes. So tell me no so I can
go work harder. Yeah, but some artists would take that
and lose their mind. But we're not putting your record
out this month. We're putting it out next year.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
Cool, that's gonna give me more time to make more
better records, so then we know the note is a blessing.
We get so caught up into yes.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
And that's real. Now. You you listen, you caick game today.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
Cooking today, you came to cook.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
Came to be a blessing somebody's life. You know what
I mean, because it's okay. I'm telling y'all, y'all cooking, y'all.
I'm telling you, y'all need to take this show. And
I'm not telling you to do your business. Your business.
But there's R and B in London, in Japan, in Australia,
in Spain, in South America. I've been there. There's still

(01:32:36):
videos going on, it's still record stores. People are still
excited about concerts.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
Like call your friends and tell.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
Them to be with my friends. It's incredible there. We
put up to our show for Tamar. One time we
went to Paris. We put the show up in one day.
The show was sold out the next day, and the

(01:33:04):
people at Epic at time was like, what are you doing?
Why are you taking it to the iTunes Music Festival.
I'm like, Yo, she's on television and they are black
people over here too, right, they couldn't speak English, they
knew every song because of television. How powerful television was
that people felt like they went on that journey and
they got to see the story. Yeah, television is still

(01:33:26):
the most powerful tool in our world because when you
think about it, how many stars have came out of
American Idol, how many stars are coming out of the Voice,
But those brands are still on television because people want
to go through the journey, they want to have hope,
they want to cheer for something. Give them a superstar
in the middle of that too, whites out. But this

(01:33:48):
show should be all over the world. It's bigger than
what we're doing right now. It's just you guys deserve that.
It's just the magnitude of somebody saying we can do
this and go make it. It happen. Yeah, because they're waiting
for it. They want it, They wanted Our world in
America thing kind of sometimes gets a little distorted. But

(01:34:09):
the rest of the world, and I love America, but
I'm just saying those other countries are so excited about
music super super, especially R and B music, Like, think
about where music comes from. We all see notice absolutely
there was a lot of black people.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
He was studying my whole lot.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
Of but nobody talks about it because everybody feel like
it's gonna offend to my It's like, now, if the
truth doesn't offend you, lies offend you because you got
to keep remembering how to lie and lie and lie.
The truth will set you free.

Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
And on that note, I'm saying no nick name.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
I'm saying no names. I ain't saying no names. He
was what you did. Don't say sheep. I'm saying no.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
I'm gonna need y'all get one of these endorsements too
for your keyboard.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
You don't.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
I'm just saying, so how many kids I saw a
way down to take brother grind?

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
What keeps us?

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
We gotta keep some grind on us. Let me tell
you about people. They want to feel inspirational and they
want us feel inspired. Kardashians just showed this world in
more ways than one. People just want hope. Yeah, they
just went hope.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
They want some hope. They want some hope. So we're
gonna up to this thing. You don't give him some hope.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
We're gonna give him some hope. We're gonna give him
a row in the something.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
You got twenty days, you got twenty four hours, you
got twenty four hours to do something great.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
I won't have to make no calls.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
We're gonna make a enough call to somebody else.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
Oh that is great, great, All right, So we've come
to a very important part of the show. This is
known worldwide. This part of the show is no world. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Will you tell us the story funny or fucked up?
Are funny and fucked up? But the only rude to
the game is you can't say no names.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
No me see, I don't know. Let me see funny
or fucked up both. And it's got to be about
the music business.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
No, no, no, not at all. Just your travels around
the world ten times.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
Yeah, yeah, probably more, but I wish I had more.
Let me see a funnier fucked up story, all right.

(01:37:31):
Let me see. So there was this one time that
we were we were at the whole To Arena in London,
and that's why I was laughing another day understanding it's
about something with our good friend. But they lost a

(01:37:53):
hard drive for the music for the whole album done.
They lose the hard drive, and this young lady got
so emotional pete On herself canceled the show. The hard

(01:38:18):
drive was in her room in the suitcase. Oh cursed
everybody out.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
The whole time. She got the hard drive.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
She hit the hard drive from herself. She had the
hard drive from herself. Oh man, I don't think we've
recovered from that. For like a week. Everybody was so
mad and just like like, how the hell you do that.
There's another time too. This is funny. Story was on

(01:38:52):
the bus tour bus, big, big song. It was done
in like an hour. Song was great. Everybody was having
about the song. The engineer erased the background vocals, Oh

(01:39:16):
what god, this stuff? You can't make this up. And
the artist like loss of mine. Lost all the background vocals,
all of them, all of them.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
We've all been in those sessions, hit the wrong button,
hit the wrong bike.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
Save It's like every time you're supposed to keep it safe.
So the great engineer does so the great engineer, which
we don't have a lot of those needs these days.
Talk to top, you really do, because everybody think they
can do it themselves. So the engineers don't have a job.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
I I need a good engineer, know what I'm saying.
That's how I operate.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
Okay, you gotta have a good engineer. You can't do
it any other way.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
I have no desire to be an engineer, to be
an engineer, none, because I want somebody who's good at that,
at that mm hmm, really good at that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
We got it. We have to start appreciating and respecting
the engineer. What other just not even just engineers, what
other people do, what their craft is.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
I think singers should be listed. I mean writers should
be listed as a producer. I really do. Because you
think about it, you'll get a dope beat. The beat
is incredible, it's a great beat.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
Speak on it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
But until that song gets over that beat, it's just
a great beat. When the song comes over the beat,
it becomes a great song. Why can't we give them
some credit?

Speaker 3 (01:40:59):
Ude finished product exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:41:02):
But everybody's so busy with their ego that they just
leave these people out.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
And because because the beat maker was automatically assumed to
be the producer, especially urban music, exactly, like nobody really studied,
like really study Quincy Jones.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
One instrument trumpet, what production and produced all those records
with producing a record really one instrument, the trumpet, and
produced all those great records, the greatest album of all lifetime.

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
Quincy Jones did not make beats, is what he's saying
to you.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
He played a trumpet, but he had the sensibility of
an incredible ear to know what a great drummer was,
a great bass player, a great guitar player, and a
great sense of what a sound like.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
All of it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
He saw the record.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
I don't think we give him enough credit to z
exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
It's no part of that record that he didn't touch,
that he didn't oversee absolutely, And that's a producer.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
That's what a producer is. Yep, that's what a producer is.
You're absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
We're gonna learn him.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
Yeah, we're gonna teach him because it's getting out of
hand people, Oh I did this speak? Now? Did AI
do the beat or did you do? I don't know?
And then there's that you know what I mean. It's like,
come on, we gotta be careful with that. Oh I
love it. I love it here baby faced great producer too.

(01:42:37):
I worked on his album too, was that somethimes song?
And well, no, the sound the soundtrack where he got
the shirt on he has like the dude font he
was on epic.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
Would he just be? Would He just be? A self
titled album? Was?

Speaker 1 (01:42:52):
Probably was?

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
I think it's first time might have been a self
titled album coming out of the deal.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
Yep, I think it was. Yeah, great songwriter? Do you
great producer? Okay, okay, let me see. I'll show it
to you that one right there. But what you think
about over to the right, Yeah, what's okay? That's the one,
so deliver.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
Yeah, you're gonna start writing the ship down man?

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
You know, I just I promise if I said and
thought about it all day, I wouldn't be as great
as I am. I don't know, true, I don't. I
don't sit there and stand like doing Netflix specials and
writing books.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
We need all the information.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
I'm doing affordable home care, I mean homes for people
in Newark and Jersey. I'm working on that so that
people that can't afford homes that we be able to
get them. My first project is going to be fifteen
homes that I'm doing with with the mayor in ne York.
I'm proud of that too. As you said, was born
at so now I'm able to help people have a
better life and a better place the rest of their head. Yeah,

(01:43:56):
it's so much that we can do in life. We
get these these forms to do.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
This, absolutely, but we gloating ourselves. Yeah yeah, I love that.
Brother ship man, you've done it all. Hey man, you're
doing it all.

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
To be done, done, still more to be done. It's
how much you want to do.

Speaker 2 (01:44:19):
We're here brother to you know to go around take
that right what you go around the world ten times
with you?

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
Tank was definitely a party of last night.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
Save Man.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
Oh my god, I love to take I went to
go see that play with taking it the first day
of the first it was so great. You did incredible
job than it was really really special. I didn't say
the shake of hand about you at work. I told
my girl. I was like, let's go. She's like, Oh,
you're not gonna say and take a picture like the
man's at work.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
No, that was That's the whole point. Did a great
job taking pictures.

Speaker 1 (01:44:51):
Man, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't take a lot
of pictures in my career. I didn't take a lot
of pictures. I just did the work. I just did
the work and then put my head down. And but
now I'm definitely gonna tell my story though which is
which is?

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
Which is going to lead to more work, Absolutely, and
we're glad you chose.

Speaker 1 (01:45:10):
And I want to tell the work like I produced
probably like four songs on this new Qriss project. I
never was scared of the work. That was afraid of that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
But it's like, you know, you know, I feel like
when people are when people are trying to be or
to attain to something, they need to know who they
can go to, absolutely, and that's not me, who they
can get this and and who they can get this

(01:45:41):
information from. Absolute they can look to, and who they
can you know, who they can be inspired by. And
I think you you you, having this conversation and and
and getting this off your chest in this manner gives
people a compass. Absolutely, It gives people the north star
to be like this, you know what I need. I
want to go look into more of what that is

(01:46:02):
and the hows and the wives and the who's that
made that thing go, because that's what I want to be.
So that's the importance of you know, you coming here
and having this conversation with us and killing us with shit.

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
W you know now, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
I appreciate it. I'm excited about it. The next time
we do this, I want to be able to have
people either send us a song or bring you something.
You don't make it where you get people an opportunity
for something. We love that, you know what I mean.
I got this new group called Highland Avenue that I'm doing.
It's like a new young Beatles. This other girl who's
like the new guy. Guys, she's twenty one from New York.

(01:46:42):
Just invite people into your world that can't get there
because somebody did it for us. Yeah right, yeah, somebody
let their hand out and said, I'll listen to it.
I'll do this. You know, you gotta pay that for it.
That's what I'm doing, Chris with this new record. It's
like I'm paying it for it. God help me. I
gotta help him.

Speaker 3 (01:47:03):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
Brother Herbert, Elda Herbert, you're an amazing brother man, your
friend us. We are proud and excited that you've chosen
R and B Money to come in and really share
your story. Man, We truly, truly, truly appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
I appreciate you, and I did it with people that
I like that. I love that I care about because
people don't do what I've done that look like me,
that's real, Like I've made the biggest pop superstar in
the last decade. Congratulations, I'm a black man. They don't happen,

(01:47:43):
they don't. They don't let that get there. But you
have to be honest with yourself, like we all can
do it. It's just having the opportunity. Well, well, thank
you guys very much. We will gonna find this money.
Money's never lost.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
It's out there, it's right there in front, and we
can go get it. Ladies and gentlemen. My name is
Tank and this is the R and B Money Podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:48:08):
The authority on all things.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
R and B. And we have been around the world
at least ten times. We'd have ran out of fingers
how many times we've been around it with this man
right here.