AMERICA'S VOICE LIVE WITH STEVE GRUBER - NOVEMBER 26TH, 2025

SEGMENT 1: TWO NATIONAL GUARDSMEN SHOT  IN WASHINGTON, D.C.

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America's Voice Live starts now. Welcome to America's Voice Live.
I'm Terrence Bates. We begin with breaking news as we
are just learning that two National Guard soldiers are injured
after being shot near the White House. At this point,

(00:56):
there's not much information relative to this particular scene situation.
Their conditions aren't being released. At this point. All we
know is that once again, two National Guard soldiers were
shot somewhere in the vicinity of the White House. Emergency
vehicles were seen responding to the area, the Joint DC
Task Forces confirming that they were responding to an incident

(01:18):
in the vicinity the White House again involving two National
Guard soldiers who were shot there. We will continue to
monitor this developing story for you throughout the day here
on Real America's Voice, and as we get new information
throughout America's Voice Live, we'll be sure to pass that
information along to you. Not a great start to this Wednesday,
the twenty sixth of November of twenty twenty five, but

(01:39):
it is some of the news that's happening. Other top
stories that we're working for you. Ukraine reportedly agreeing to
President Trump's twenty eight point piece plan to end the
ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine. While it may be
a step in the right direction, the question remains of
Russia will agree. We'll have expert analysis for you. Also

(02:00):
seems to be on everyone's mind during this holiday season.
Some experts say that housing is the root cause, though
we'll discuss and then later as you begin preparing your
Thanksgiving meal, Communities across America are participating in community outreach
and providing the real change that just doesn't come from
the government programs, but that comes from neighbors who are

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willing to help one another. All of that and so
much more coming your way right now on America's Voice
Live with the Thanksgiving holiday upon us. One of the
biggest issues on most Americans' minds is affordability. Despite the concerns,
President Trump is touting, how much more affordable this Thanksgiving
is compared to years past, and.

Speaker 7 (02:43):
This Thanksgiving, we're also making incredible strides to make America
affordable again. Walmart announced that the court of their standard
Thanksgiving meal is twenty five percent lower than just one
year ago. That's a big deal. According to the USCA
of Thanksgiving, Turkey is down thirty three percent from its

(03:04):
Bidenira highs, potatoes are down thirteen percent, hammer is down
fifteen percent compared to last Thanksgiving, So we are down
to a level that we haven't seen in a long time.
Egg prices are down eighty six percent since March, and
gasoline will soon be hovering.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Around two dollars a gallon.

Speaker 7 (03:24):
Under our leadership, we passed the largest tax cuts in history,
the largest spending cuts in history.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Joining me to discuss as political strategist and founder of Valrus,
Dwayne McClure. Also joining the conversation economists for the American
Institute for Economic Research, Paul Mueller, Gentlemen, welcome to the show.
Good to have you this afternoon.

Speaker 8 (03:45):
Thanks for having us, Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Absolutely, Paul, want to start with you. You just heard
the president's assessment, but are Americans actually feeling this difference.
Saying the numbers is one thing, but perception may not
necessarily be reality for so many others.

Speaker 9 (04:00):
I think that's right. You know, President Trump has picked
a few items to talk about. You know, the Walmart
Thanksgiving meal package that's down twenty five percent is not
the same Thanksgiving meal package that they had a year ago.
So part of that lower price is that there's fewer
items or smaller portions. Our institute has a Thanksgiving meal
index and shows that prices are actually up a little

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bit from a year ago. And so I think though
there are some prices that have come down, Certainly eggs
and gas prices have come down, there's a lot of
prices that haven't. Tariffs are part of that. I think
you can have a concertainty is a part of that.
So it's really a mixed bag. It's not that prices
are up a lot, but I think that prices are
not down across the board the way most people would

(04:43):
hope they would be.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Dwayne, I'm curious if affordability is a make or break
political issue at the moment.

Speaker 10 (04:51):
Yes, affordability is first and foremost at everyone's mind, especially
as we are in the holiday season. With my team
at Vale, we've been conducting a bit of research on
people's sentiments towards the affordability. They tend to view right
now as kind of a juxtaposition. They view the economy

(05:15):
as having never been better, but their own personal financial
situation as still a challenge. They do tend to credit
President Trump, however, with relieving a lot of the pressures
that they felt that they had under the previous administration.
So I think that very much like mister Mueller was saying,
that it's kind of a mixed bag for the American people,

(05:39):
and that reflects and the numbers that we're seeing.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Dwayne just really quickly to follow up on that, While
it is a mixed bag, is this a mixed bag
that potentially could carry into the midterms or since it's
Thanksgiving and we're spending a little bit more money we're
going into the holiday season, is this a bit more
of a relevant issue at the moment, but it's something
that could wane or give way to something else moving forward,

(06:04):
as we're pretty much a year away from the next election.

Speaker 10 (06:08):
No, it's definitely something that can carry over into the
mid terms. Fortunately for President Trump and the Republicans, it
seems as though the trend is going downward, which is
great because this same Thanksgiving meal back in twenty twenty
two was about ten dollars more than it is today.

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So if we continue with that same trend next year,
this current decline and expansion of ag policy that has
allowed this decline to occur is going to bode well
for Republicans.

Speaker 7 (06:48):
Paul.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Big picture, our American is going to really start to
feel the effect of a better economy, or what's at
least being touted as a better economy. What I'm reading
is quarter one of next year, quarter two of next year.
Is that realistic? And if it doesn't happen by then
are Republicans in trouble?

Speaker 5 (07:07):
I think it is realistic.

Speaker 9 (07:08):
So, you know, many of President Trump's agenda items have
been pro growth, you know, trying to deregulate the economy,
promoting energy development and lowering energy prices. The tax cuts
that when in all those are pro growth, though they
take time to really kick in. So I think quarter one,
quarter two next year we'll see a lot more as
tax refunds go out, as more of the investment this

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year is kind of getting online.

Speaker 8 (07:32):
So those are all good.

Speaker 9 (07:33):
The tariffs are the big wildcar and have been all year,
and I think President Trump has signaled that he's interested
in getting some more certainty and scaling some of those back.
A couple of weeks ago, he dropped tariffs on some
of the more daily items that Americans buy bananas and
coffee and so forth. So my guess is that we'll
see some more scaling back of tariffs as affordability becomes

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a key issue, we'll see some of his pro growth
policies kick in. And if they don't, if the economy
is struggling and people are still feeling even a mixed bag,
even if things aren't worse, but they feel like they're
not getting better, then I would say yes, the Republicans
are probably in a lot of trouble next year.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Gentlemen, we'll have to leave the conversation there. We appreciate
you joining us out with your expertise today. Enjoy your Thanksgiving,
and hopefully we'll have you back on the air soon.

Speaker 8 (08:19):
Thanks Hevy Thanksgiving.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Happy Thanksgiving to both of you. All right, folks, we
want to get you back to Washington, d C. We
were telling you at the beginning of the show that
two National Guardsmen have been shot in the vicinity of
the White House. At this point, we don't have a
lot of information, but we do want to get Brian Glenn,
our chief White House correspondent, on the line to see
what else he can offer to this story. Brian, can
you hear me?

Speaker 6 (08:41):
Yeah, Karen, how are you doing.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
I'm well. I hate to hear this news, particularly on
the day before Thanksgiving. What can you add to our reporting?
What are you hearing?

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (08:50):
This is an area very familiar with anyone who travels
in and out of the White House. Obviously, Seventeenth Street
in Pennsylvania is the main entrance that we enter the
White House grounds. But just one block up for that
is seventeenth in I Street, and that is where this
shooting occurred. We've got two National Guardsmens have been shot,

(09:12):
being one is from what I can understand if I've
been airlifted to a local hospital. They have one suspect
in custody. There is no description of who this individual is,
but I'm very familiar with this area. There is a
park right near this West far Got train metro station
where basically where the train system is the series of escalators.

(09:38):
This is where I would say a lot of your
lot of homeless hangout in this area, perhaps a lot
of people that are looking to maybe call some trouble
back in the day when before the National Guards. So
this is somewhat surprising, especially Terrence, during the day. This
happened at two to twenty local times, so it's not

(09:59):
late at night, not in the early hours of the morning.
It's right there in the daytime. A lot of people
are hustling in and out of that area. A lot
of government buildings are in that area, a lot of
lobbyists and other people that served the government. That's where
they work, live and eat, and so this is somewhat
shocking that something like this could happen in an area.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
And Terrence.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
Just yesterday, I was in the Starbucks that's not far
from where this took place, and there was about four
or five National guardments that came in. I thanked them
for their service. They told me they were going to
be there until March through the holidays, and they said
that their response with people were somewhat supportive. People would
come up to them and thank them for their service

(10:42):
and why they're there. So I'm real interested to see
exactly what happened on this and what caused two National
guardsmen to be shot engaging in this one suspect that's
in custody.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Brian, I'm gonna pepper you with some questions. And I
realized that information is just now coming in and there's
still not a whole lot to go on, but there are,
of course a lot of questions to be asked, and
I think front and center is whether or not there
was some sort of altercation potentially between the suspect and
these National guardsmen leading up to the shooting, or does
this seem to be and I hate to use the

(11:18):
term random, because it seems like it very likely was targeted,
But did this shooter or just come up to them
and attack them? How did all of this play out?
Are you hearing any of those details yet?

Speaker 6 (11:29):
You know what's interesting, Terrence, anybody that's been to the
White House, when you get a couple of blocks away
from the park there on the North Lawn, just across
the fence Lofiante Park, this is where you get a
lot of activists. This is where you get a lot
of people that have come to DC either to you know,
advocate for a certain group or certain cause. Maybe they

(11:51):
just want to protest President Trump. I don't know, but
that is this is an area you do see a
lot of that gathering. So you have to maybe maybe
at least one or at least bring up the conversation
if perhaps someone got into some type of verbal argument
which escalated into some type of firearm being drawn. Just

(12:11):
speculating at this point, so maybe somebody maybe had an
issue with the National Guard being there right there in
front of the White House. And of course that's been
a very controversial subject, Terrence. You and I have talked
about this over and over about some of the pushback
of the locals. And I call them locals, but a
lot of times these rallies, these people come into town,

(12:33):
they're not even from the DC area. They get busted
into DC in front of the White House to protest
National Guards being there. So a lot of times they're
not even local. So I don't know if this suspect
is from the area, if he's from outside the area.
But I do know one thing this is some very this.
I think, in my opinion, someone who goes to the

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White House every day through the seventeenth Street Pennsylvania Insurance,
we two blocks away from what we're talking about. This
should elevate the awareness, and I think we're going to
see more National guards specifically around this hotbed where somebody's
activists like to gather.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Brian, I know that area very well as well, and
one of the things that I remember of it is
that there are also office buildings there in their local eateries,
you know, they are little restaurants and that kind of
thing where the people who work in that area go
for lunch. So I would imagine even on this day
before Thanksgiving, that this didn't just happen, you know, when
there wasn't much of a crowd. I'm sure that there

(13:32):
were at least, you know, a decent number of people
in that area for work as well.

Speaker 6 (13:37):
Yeah, that's a safe assumption, Terrence. This is a very
busy area. Even with the holiday coming up, a lot
of people may have what we would call a half
day to day, a lot of people out about. So
at two twenty in the afternoon, there was definitely people
around that area, and that's a very busy metro station
there that is one of the lead centers. So if

(13:58):
you're coming to d Sen you want to come to
the White House, that's pretty much the exit the train
station that you get off of the metro to come
up to the street level and then go off into
the front of the White House. So to answer your question,
I am sure that there were a lot of people
that saw this. I've seen some pictures posted up online

(14:21):
of the of the kind of the crime scene. It
looks like there were, you know, certainly people on the
streets backed off of the kind of the perimeter that
the National Guard and the DC Police have set up.
But just a very sad situation. But we can confirm
that one of those National guardsmans was airlifted to a

(14:41):
local hospital, which which makes me assume that those injuries
might have been a little bit more substantive, requiring immediate
medical attention.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Absolutely, Brian. Before I let you go, somewhat of a
two part question, has there been any response or anything
coming out of the world White House relative to this attack?
And the second part of that question would be whether
your expectation is that the National guardsmen who are now
serving on the streets of Washington, DC will be armed.
Will there be a change in policy, if you will,

(15:13):
to increase their ability to protect themselves.

Speaker 6 (15:18):
I haven't seen as of right now any official statement
from the White House. I can confirm that the White
House is aware of this situation, so they are obviously watching,
and that was pretty much their statement that they are
keeping an eye on the situation in prayers to the
two that were shot. Now, in terms of the way

(15:41):
these National Guards now, when they first came to d C,
you didn't see a lot of these National arm having
arearm a firearm on them. As of lately, I have
noticed more and more officers with a side arm, more
of a pistol or maybe a nine to millimeter on
their side. Some of them had an ar type of

(16:04):
weapon on them as well, so you do see them
carrying a firearm, which I guess and may perhaps in
this particular incident. I don't know if those National guardsmen
had firearms on them or not, so that's one thing
I think we need to find out. But in light
of this, I think you can expect to see National

(16:25):
guardsmen have the full ability to carry a weapon in
case something like this happens again.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Absolutely our rav White House Chief correspondent or Chief White
House corresponding excuse me, Brian Glenn reporting to us this
morning from Washington, d C. Brian, we appreciate it. We
may check back with you if we get any more
updated information. Brian, thanks so much, Thank you, Terrence. Of course.
Once again, folks, just to recap if you're joining us,
two National Guard troops have been shot in the vicinity

(16:55):
of the White House. We're told that one was airlifted
to a local hospital. The conditions on both of those
troops still not available. In the meantime, the Metropolitan Police
Department there in Washington, d C. Says that it did
in fact respond to the shooting, and we're hearing that
a suspect is in custody right now. A spokesperson for
Mayor Muriel Blauser, who is the mayor there in Washington,

(17:17):
d C, says that local leaders are aware and actively
monitoring the situation. Again, this all happened in the vicinity
of the White House. President Trump, though is at mar Lago,
so obviously no effect on him. He is not in
that particular area. But we are waiting and expecting to
have some sort of reaction or statement from the White House.
In the moment we get that, we of course will

(17:38):
pass that along to you. And again, as I said,
a suspect is in custody right now, so we'll continue
to update you. We want to bring in Lieutenant Colonel
Allen West now to join this conversation. Lieutenant Colonel West,
it is always good to see ya. I was hoping
that we were going to be meeting today on different circumstances,
but a sad state of affairs as we're now hearing
that too guardsmen who were stationed and working there in Washington,

(18:02):
DC have been shot. When you hear this sort of news,
what's the first thing that comes to mind, Lieutenant Colonel.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Well, first thing that comes to mind are those two
National guardsmen who took an oath to support and defend
the Constitution, and their families as well, especially at this
time of Thanksgiving, So prayers and thoughts go out to
them for you know, hopefully their recovery and also to
the families who are very concerned about their loved ones.
The very first thing that comes from my mind, being
a formal commander is the rules of engagement ROE when

(18:30):
you put military members out in any situation, you need
to make sure that they have very clear, specific rules
of engagement. And Brian Glenn just brought up a great
point that we need to ascertain were these National guardsmen armed.
If they weren't, then it leads me to believe that
for some reason they may have been targeted. The second
thing that I want to bring out is that you're
talking about the District of Columbia, one of the most

(18:52):
restricted areas when it comes to gun control for legal,
law abiding citizens. How is it that this person was
able to get a fire arm and walk all through Washington,
d C and then confront and shoot these two National guardsmen.
So it just goes to show once again that only
law abiding citizens follow the law. Anyone that's looking for
an affairs or criminal actions are not going to follow

(19:14):
the law. And we just pray that these two National
guardsmen survive this attack.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Absolutely. Context is everything, and as I'm reporting the story,
I am also thinking, Lieutenant Colonel West, that we've been
doing this or there's been a National Guard deployment for
months now in Washington, DC, and this is the first
major incident that we're hearing of, which I do think
speaks to the success of this mission.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
So far.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
I'd love to get your perspective though, as a veteran.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
No, You're absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
I think that we know the fact that we have
not had anything like this up to this point does
show a degree of success. But I think also that
when you have some of these elected officials from the
left that are out there with this insightful rhetoric, that
are caused and people to target not just Ice, but
now it seems our National Guard troops who are there

(20:04):
trying to make sure that people have safety and security,
and we've seen the numbers, we've seen the drops in
violent crime there in Washington, DC, and I think that's
something that we need to look at. I mean, look
at what's going on in Chicago where you had the
gentleman to set a woman of fire. So it is
very important that we restore law and order to our
streets and we don't have this wanton violence that is

(20:26):
going on. But for to and maybe this is pretty emptive,
but for someone to seemingly target it to our National
guardsmen that are out there trying to protect American citizens,
that's very disconcerting to me.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Lieutenant Colonel West, she said something just a little while
ago that piqued my interest the ROE the rules of
engagement and that there should be clear rules of engagement
as far as you know, we're the rules of engagement
for these National guardsmen clear? And I asked that because
some we were told, and there's been reporting on this,
some National guardsmen were allowed to be outfitted with with weapons,

(21:02):
others weren't. The duties of some was simply kind of
more to clean up and to have a presence. Were
the rules of engagement as far as you know clear
in terms of what these National guards guardsmen who were
deployed there in Washington, DC can and cannot do.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Well, I have not seen their rules of engagement. Okay,
that's the number one question that we have to ask
is what were those rules of engagement? And then, of
course were these two National guardsmen that were armed or
they are not armed. If they were armed, then we
need to make sure we understand, you know, what the
rules of engagement were, because if they were told you
cannot draw and you cannot protect yourself until you're fired upon, well,

(21:39):
guess what happens. The bad guy gets to drop on
you if you are out there and you're unarmed, which
should not be the case. Then your target. So I
think that that's one of the most important things. We
need to go back and look at what were the
bricteria about which we deployed and put these young men
and women out there in those situations, because you never
want to put them in an untenable situation. They need

(22:02):
to know clearly that they have the ability to protect
themselves against any type of threats or any type of attack.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
I hate to be a negative Nancy, but when I
see situations like this and realize that there are other
guardsmen deployed in other cities, and other federal agents deployed
in other cities, I wonder if there may be copycats,
if this may embolden people who are upset about those deployments,
and we have the potential for this sort of kind
of situation playing itself out again.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Your thoughts, well, absolutely, I mean, let's be honest, we've
already had that. When you have people that are ramming
and attempting to run over ice agents. We're talking about
law enforcement officials that are out enforcing the law. But
yet you have this wanton violence and this desire for
confusion and chaos to support illegal actions and activities. We

(22:54):
are already there, but the fact that once again you
have someone that targeted these two individuals for shooting, that
really takes it to an even higher level. So we
have got to do something and calm down this rhetoric
and calm down all of these disparaging means by which
people are referring to law enforcement officers and National guardsmen

(23:15):
that are out there, and we've seen the tapes of
people shouting at them and calling them these very ugly names.
These are Americans, Americans that you know are the best
amongst us, and we should be thankful that they're out
there putting their lives on the line and sacrificing so
that you can have the safety and security on American streets.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Lieutenant Colonel West, from your lifts to God's ears, hopefully
the rhetoric and the temperature comes down a little bit
so that all of our law enforcement and soldiers on
the streets of our cities are a little safer. We
appreciate your time, Lieutenant Colonel Wise. Thank you, happy thanks always,
a pleasure, happy thanksgiving to you as well. I'm remiss
to say that I apologize. All right, folks, again, you're

(23:57):
looking at pictures of Washington d C just in case
you're joining us. Just now, two National Guard troops have
been shot. We're told that one has been rushed to
the hospital. At this point, we don't know the conditions
of either of those troops, but one apparently flown to
the hospital. We are working to find out the conditions.
We're also hearing that a suspect is currently in custody,

(24:20):
and we of course will get you more information about
all of this as we get it. Now, we want
to bring in retired FBI Executive Assistant Director Chris Piota
to talk a bit more about this. Chris, good afternoon,
can you hear me?

Speaker 6 (24:34):
I can?

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Good afternoon, Good afternoon. So, as a retired FBI agent,
how fearful are you that this sort of situation will
play itself out in cities across the country where FBI
agents are being called on to keep the peace, where
other National guardsmen are being called on to keep the peace.

Speaker 11 (24:52):
Well, I fear for the safety and well being of
all of my brothers and sister law enforcement officers, as
well as our uniform military person sonel. I think that
this is a tactic of intimidation, and if we as
a law enforcement community or the National Defense Community Buckle.
You'll see this happen more and more, and I think

(25:15):
this has to draw a very swift and maybe severe response.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Are you expecting that the rules of engagement? And you
may have just heard our last guest, Lieutenant Colonel West,
talk about rules of engagement? Do you think that this
will force clarity if you will, in rules of engagement?
And will it ratchet up those rules of engagement that
FBI agents other law enforcement will be allowed to use
as they descend on various cities across the country.

Speaker 11 (25:42):
You might see a review of the current rules of engagement.
I don't think the government's going to want to escalate
potential use of force against a population if this is
a you can call a single incident or an isolated incident.
But I do think there will be a review and
there will be an emphasis place based upon force protection.

(26:02):
For our National Guard members are uniformed police officers and
law enforcement partners. They already live in this world day
to day, so they may just have to tighten up
some of their approaches.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
What is your expectation in terms of how the situation
should be handled. I would imagine when you have something
like this, all hands have got to be on deck.

Speaker 11 (26:26):
Oh yeah, you see on the video it's a law
enforcement convention right now. I mean I've seen jackets and
patches from every kind of law enforcement organization. What's gonna
happen is is all of the senior folks from all
the responding and jurisdictional agencies are gonna get together. They're
gonna decide how this investigation is going to be framed,

(26:48):
and then there's gonna be a lead organization. Then everybody
else will move into a support role. They'll coordinate with
the National Guard and the Pentagon, and they'll figure out
how to look into these individuals, the suspect that's in custody,
Are there anybody anyone else involved? Is there any type
of networked attack? You know, those type of things are

(27:09):
going to be looked at, and you'll see that all
of the federal partners will bring in their skills, abilities,
and their resources to help with the technical evidence collection,
shooting scene reconstruction, things at that sort. So you'll see
just a very large joint investigative effort.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Okay, stand by, I just want to read this tweet
that came out from the Trump administration. It says the
animal that shot the two National guardsmen, with both being
critically wounded and now in two separate hospitals. Is also
severely wounded, but regardless, will pay a very steep price.
God bless our great National Guard and all of our
military and law enforcement. These are truly great people. I

(27:51):
as President of the United States, and everyone associated with
the Office of the Presidency and with you, he writes. So, Obviously,
as you heard there, President Trump is aware of what's
going on. Christynoman is also out with the tweet basically
acknowledging what's going on here. Obviously that's important, But I
think the bigger story is how do we rebound from this,

(28:13):
how do we move forward from this? And what's the
best way to at least approach that process from your perspective.

Speaker 11 (28:20):
Strength and resolve. The people who are trying to intimidate
our law enforcement personnel cannot be allowed to do so.
Our law enforcement professionals cannot buckle, they cannot retreat. And
what we have to do now is figure out better
defensive measures for our personnel. And we can't allow people
who are going to use violence to cower our law

(28:43):
enforcement in our communities to prevail. So I think you'll
see some changes in tactics, and you'll see some additional
presence when it comes to the protection of our uniform
military folks.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
All right, well, we appreciate you taking some of your
time out to talk to us this afternoon, on this
day before Thanksgiving. Unfortunately, for at least two families, this
Thanksgiving won't be quite as sweet as their loved ones
are being treated for those gunshot wounds. Thank you so
much for your time.

Speaker 11 (29:12):
Thank you, sir, and God bless the folks who were victims,
and I wish them a speedy recovery.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Amen. Absolutely, all right. We now want to bring in
turning point, USA White House correspondent Monica Page Monica, Terrence
Bates here. Appreciate you taking some time out to talk
to us as we continue to look at these pictures
of law enforcement really kind of getting together around the
White House there near the White House following the shooting
of those two National Guard troops. What more can you

(29:38):
tell us? What are you hearing from your sources in
terms of what may have happened here?

Speaker 12 (29:43):
Hey, Terrence, I really appreciate you having me on. It's
truly terrifying as somebody who's there every single day about
five days a week, eight hours a day for the
most part, maybe even longer. And to hear that something
like this had happened, I mean, it should make everybody concerned.
What we hear now is that the White House is
on lockdown. There are reporters that are kind of confined

(30:05):
to the press briefing room as of right now. There
are others who are still behind yellow tape at local
coffee shops across the street from the White House who
do not have access to the White House. Right now,
we know that the area of the location it's all secure.
Apparently they have a suspect in custody as well, and
I did hear that I believe one or two of

(30:25):
those troops were airlifted to the hospital. They had a
helicopter and a medvac kind of fly in over the
National Mall and kind of try to do our best
to make sure that our troops are safe and they're
going to survive this. But it's truly terrifying. And from
the DC Metro, I mean, it's not just reporters outside

(30:46):
the White House or you know, our National Guard troops,
but you know, according to the DC Metro that metro
stop right near the White House sees over eleven thousand
people coming in and around the White House every single day.
Those these are also commuters who are entering that station.
These are also just everyday people you know in and
around the White House. And the President is to make

(31:08):
this city safe again. I'm hoping this is some kind
of isolated incident, but truly truly terrifying as somebody who's
always around there.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Yeah, Monica, we're looking at live pictures of the scene.
You know, it looks like lots of office buildings there,
there's parks there, restaurants, so one would imagine that there
were people around when all of this happened, just out
of curiosity, though, really quickly before we move on, where
are you right now in relation to where all of
this happened.

Speaker 12 (31:36):
So I'm so luckily I was editor before any of
this happened. I was checking in with my team, making
sure everybody is good, if nobody needs anything. But I
do know people who are trying to get in to
do their live hits, to do their reporting just before
the holiday weekend, and it's really scary to know that
you know, these people can't do their jobs or like

(31:56):
they are living in fear of going to work every
single time, and this is what this is what their
reality is. So I'm glad that I'm not there. I'm
glad that I had left even before any of this happened.
I'm five months pregnant, so I can't even imagine if
this were to happen near me, or if this happened
to me, or you know, these are things that you know,
these are these are every eight people. This is truly terrifying.

(32:20):
I'm hoping that we can get some quick answers as
to who this person is and how we go from here.
I understand the President also has been briefed on this
situation as well, and I'm assuming he's all of this
team and staff members have also been briefed, so I'm
hoping that everyone's safe now.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
The President was already out with the tweet on social
media letting everyone know that he's been briefed on the
situation as well, aware calling the person involved the suspected animal.
I'm just curious, and you talked about this just a
little bit and just want to clarify, so as far
as you're hearing, the White House is currently on lockdown,
I suspect that that is just standard policy. It's as

(32:58):
a precaution, not necessarily because there's a thought that the
White House was in some way being targeted. Can you
clear that up for us?

Speaker 12 (33:06):
Yes, So when any sort of suspicious, suspicious package is
found on the premises in and around the White House,
even in the park and across the street Lafayette Park
across from the White House, even if they find any
kind of suspicious person or package, they got to clear
out the entire area, and reporters do have to get
on lockdown. This is not the first time that I've

(33:27):
heard of reporters having to be on lockdown, unfortunately. But
you know, in this climate that we're in right now,
especially with the president that we have and the kind
of people that are spewing this kind of rhetoric, unfortunately,
this has opened up to so much more danger and
you never know who's outside the White House as well.
I was talking with my team and just yesterday as

(33:48):
I was leaving the White House, there was this random
woman with a professional camera zooming in and focusing on
all of us leaving the White House, and It's like,
who are these people? You never truly know you know
who is in and around the area, especially in such
a secure place. But you know, this is concerning, this
should concern everybody.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Sure, during times like this, I think sometimes it's also
important to kind of take a step back. Would you
put into perspective for us, how Washington, d C. Has
changed over the last several months since these National Guard
troops have been deployed there. President Trump often touts how
much the city has changed. From your perspective as someone
who spends day in and day out there in the

(34:28):
nation's capital, how have you seen DC change?

Speaker 12 (34:32):
Oh, It's changed dramatically, night and day difference. It's refreshing
to see the National Guard troops that are in and
around the Metro. Every time I see them there, I
always make sure to take some time out to thank
them for being there and keeping us safe. Unfortunately, this incident,
you know, may not convince many people that DC is safe.
But from what I have seen over the past few months,

(34:54):
since the President has tried and established a safe for DC,
I can tell you with full confidence that I I've
never felt safe for riding the Metro, about myself going
to and from work, going to and from you know,
food shopping or whatever I need to do, and I've
felt very good so this incident. You know, I'm hoping
this is just a one off, but like I said,

(35:15):
you just never know who's out there around the White House.
I know the President has done such a fantastic job
and making this city safe and clean, and I know
his team has done a fantastic job as well. So
my prayers and my heart go out to these National
Guard troops and their families, especially right before Thanksgiving.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Yeah, I join you in those prayers. And as you said,
I hope this is a one off and that the
two troops who were injured in all of this do
recover fully. I'm curious in your interactions with these National
Guard troops as you see them going and coming across
the city, are you able to kind of quantify how
many of them are armed and how many of them
are unarmed. Is it common to see these Guard troops

(35:56):
who are posted across the city with firearms or is
they more of a you know, are fewer of them armed.

Speaker 12 (36:05):
Every time I've seen the National Guard troops, whether it's
in the metro system or if it's in you know,
one of the local parks around just kind of patrolling
the area, They've always been armed in some way shape
or form, and I don't know, I personally feel safe
when I see that. I feel great when I see that.
There always seem to be in good spirits, which is
also really refreshing. Every time I say thank you, they

(36:26):
always give a smile and they thank me back. So,
you know, God bless these troops. You know, they're really
risking their lives every single day to be in the
face of danger, to be putting themselves out into the unknown,
not only in DC but in also other cities as well,
and it's really disheartening when I see the violence against them,
whether it's just rhetoric or even the actions, especially what

(36:49):
we've seen today, because these people are risking their lives.
People have families, and they're just trying to do the
right thing, and that's what really hurts the most. So
they're always armed, they're always seems to be in good spirits,
and I hope that that continues given this situation.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Absolutely, thank you again so much for just dropping everything
that you are doing in joining us to give us
your perspective on what's happening there. We hope that you
enjoy your Thanksgiving and thanks again for being here with
us this afternoon.

Speaker 12 (37:18):
Thank you Terrence. Good bless and Happy Thanksgiving.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Bless you as well. Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.
All Right, folks, we're going to continue our coverage if
you're just joining us. Two National Guard troops have been
shot near the White House there in the vicinity. We're
told that one of them has been airlifted to a
nearby hospital, the other also being treated. At this point,
there's no information specific to their conditions. We also do know, though,

(37:41):
that a suspect is in custody. The motivation behind this
attack and all of that is still being worked out,
and we're continuing to work our sources to try to
get you as much updated information as possible. Joining the
conversation now is former Secret Service member and former FBI
special agent Jonathan Gilliam, also a friend of the show. Jonathan,
good to see you. I hate that it's under these circumstances.

(38:07):
All right, sounds like we don't have Jonathan. Jack Basovik
is available, though he is going to join us now. Jack,
good to see you as well. Similar to what I
was saying about Jonathan, I hate that it's under these circumstances.
What can you tell us at this point? What do
you have to add to this conversation as we're again
getting more information about these two National guardsmen who were

(38:29):
shot near the White House. Both of them are said
to be treated at the hospital.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Well, Terren's absolutely horrific that this took place, and yet
it's yet once more again a string of violence that
we've seen take place this year, a string of violence
where unfortunately it seems to be targeted, and typically we've
seen in these cases that they have political motives. You
go back to the assassination of President Trump, you look

(38:56):
at Luigi Maggioni, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and so
many more acts, school shootings, the killing of the Israeli
embassy officials just a few months ago in Washington, DC
as well, and unfortunately, the violence now seems to continue.
We're told, of course, that one suspect is in custody,

(39:17):
where President Trump had put out that both guardsmen are
in critical condition, and certainly we continue to pray for them.
I did get a chance to speak with some members
of the White House staff, and fortunately we're told that
many members of the staff who work right there in
that EEO B, the Eisenhower Executive Office building, which is
just steps away from where this shooting take place. Many

(39:39):
of the staff had actually gone home already for the
Thanksgiving break. We know, of course, Vice President Vance is
down in Kentucky for Campbell Present with his wife Usha.
President Trump and Milania had headed down already to.

Speaker 8 (39:51):
Mar A Lago.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
So a lot of the staff of the White House
that you would see on a regular day that goes
by this Farragut Square terance.

Speaker 8 (39:59):
This is a main thoroughfare.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
This is a place where you can see a lot
of staffers, a lot of people who work in the
White House when they're going for lunch, break, when they're
leaving work, et cetera.

Speaker 8 (40:08):
This is a place where they are very frequently.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
Look at me, I walk down there when I'm going
into the White House, you know, depending on you know,
where I park the car or where I'm coming from.
So this is a place that's very very close to
the White House, and had it not been the day
before Thanksgiving, you could have potentially had White House staffers there.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Absolutely, Jack, I hate to be the negative person, but
I also have to be a realist. And one of
the questions that comes to my mind is whether this
will embolden people in other cities where we've got you know,
federal agents, we've got other law enforcement as well as
National guardsmen position in order to try to keep the peace.
Is that a concern to you? Am I off base here?

Speaker 8 (40:47):
No, you're not off base at all.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
And unfortunately you're correct, this is something that could spark copycats.

Speaker 8 (40:53):
One thing that we see with.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
Violence going all the way back to the first, you know,
sort of modern school shooting in Columbine is the threat
of copycat violence, and violence does tend to beget violence.
People believe that they can become immortalized, that they can
become famous, that they can gain notoriety for committing these
acts political acts of violence. And so we've also been

(41:16):
in a situation where, similar to Charlie Kirk, where Charlie
Kirk's assassin had those bullets printed hey fascist, catch or
belichow the Antifa anthem printed on them, etched on them.
We know that that the mainstream media, the Democrats, and
the left were constantly demonizing Charlie Kirk as a fascist,

(41:37):
as someone who is evil, as someone who is anti trans,
as someone who needed to be shut down. You pair
that up with Tyler Robinson's statement that we need to
end the hate. Well, what have we also seen happen
over just the last few weeks, the demonization of our
National guardsmen, the demonization of ICE, the demonization of federal
law enforcement in city after city. They talk about it

(41:58):
as if President Trump is launching an invasion of these cities,
when he's just sending National guardsmen. By the way, many
of the National Guardsmen in these areas are drawn up
from those states themselves.

Speaker 8 (42:11):
It's where they live. They're the local units.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
So these are people that typically live in these areas themselves.
So it's not like it's some kind of invasion force.
It's actually a defense of people who live in the neighborhood,
live in the state, live in the area. And when
Mayor ech Mandami was in the Oval office and I
was there, I guess that was last Friday, they asked him,
do you feel that New York is that threat of

(42:33):
ICE agents coming in? So once again, federal law enforcement
in this country is getting a target painted on their
back by the mainstream media, by elements of the left
and so many others. And unfortunately, it seems in this case,
and of course it remains to be seen, but it
seems in this case that these two were targeted specifically
because of the uniforms that they wear, and you can't

(42:54):
take it out of that context.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Hey, Jack, we've been talking about rules of engagement and
this is something that I'm very interested and I'm hoping
that you can offer some more perspective on what the
rules of engagement are for the National guardsmen who were
deployed in the nation's capital. Can you shed some light
on that if you will.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
Well, so, you know, speaking of someone who is a
prior military officer, you know, when you talk about rules
of engagement, of course, there's such a thing as escalation
of force.

Speaker 8 (43:22):
That's when you're being challenged.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
So I don't we have to get the actual details
of what happened in this iteration here. The story that
I heard just in passing, and so you know, caveat
on that. But the story that I heard briefly was
that someone walked up and pulled a gun out and
fired point blank. And in that case there may not
have even been a chance for the guardsmen to be
able to react. But in any case, self defense is

(43:48):
always authorized. So if they were armed and not all
of the National Guardsmen that have been going around DC
have been armed, that's just a fact similar to what
we saw in January sixth. Some are armed, some or not.
The National Guardsmen on January sixth were not armed. But
then the National Guardsmen that were deployed to Biden's inauguration
and spent several weeks I think about eight weeks deployed

(44:08):
in Washington, DC around that time period were mostly armed.
And so self defense is always authorized. So the idea
that someone can pull out a gun and fire upon
a National Guardsman member of law enforcement, that becomes a
self defense situation, and self defense is always authorized.

Speaker 8 (44:25):
That's beyond the rules of engagement.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
That's just basic self preservation, which by the way, is
something that you and I would have under the Second Amendment,
something that anyone would have because of the protection of
your own life or the lives of others.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Absolutely, that's just a basic right you mentioned earlier, and
I think you made a critical point that the rhetoric
has been such in this country, the political rhetoric that
it's encouraging people to target local law enforcement and otherwise,
what needs to happen in order to try to bring
down the temperature? Does Congress do lawmakers need to be

(45:00):
sanctioned when they say things that are just so outrageous
and that would encourage someone to potentially do something heinous
like what we're seeing now.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
Well, look, Terrence, you know, we absolutely need to get
to the bottom of what exactly happened here, Who this
suspect or if there are other suspects involved, what was
their motivation which drove them to commit this horrible act.
But certainly there's no question that the rhetoric needs to
be toned down. And you saw this video, the seditious
six that the President of the United States has been
targeting and criticizing.

Speaker 8 (45:29):
We're now seeing Secretary or Senator.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
Kelly under investigation as a retired member of the Armed
Forces because of his comments claiming that the president had
ordered the armed forces of the United States to conduct
illegal orders and making it out as though there was
some sort of autocratic despot who has taken over the
White House and is ordering the military to conduct illegal acts. Again,

(45:55):
these National guardsmen, I see them around. I see them
around Farragut Square. I see them around Lafayet's where they're
usually just talking to people as they come by. They're
keeping an eye on things, They're making sure that everything
is fine. You see them on the National Mall as well.
They're certainly presenting no threat to anyone. But again, if
you have this gin up rhetoric from the mainstream media,
the gin up rhetoric from Secretary Senator Kelly and so

(46:17):
many others, then it puts a bullseye right on the
back of the National Guardsman, the same way they put
a bullseye on Charlie Kirk because of their rhetoric.

Speaker 8 (46:27):
And it's something that absolutely needs to be responded to.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
And we were told, Terrence, we were told in the
wake of Charlie Kirk's murder that the rhetoric would be
toned down.

Speaker 8 (46:35):
I think that lasted about a day.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Let's hope that the rhetoric rhetoric continues to be toned down. Jack,
we appreciate you. Want to go to jd Vance, the
Vice President. He is speaking right now.

Speaker 13 (46:44):
Let's listen to what he has to say.

Speaker 14 (47:16):
Well, it is great to be here in beautiful Fort.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
Campbell, Kentucky. And let me just.

Speaker 14 (47:22):
Say I want to say first before we get started
on a somber note, we had and some of you
may have seen this on your phones or on social media,
but apparently there was a shooting outside the White House
just a couple of hours ago, and we're still learning everything.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
We still don't know the motive. There's a lot that
we haven't yet figured out.

Speaker 14 (47:47):
But what we do know is that a couple of
National Guardsmen were injured in the line of duty. And
first of all, I want everybody who's a person of
faith to say a prayer for those two National guardsmen
that they're able to spend Thanksgiving with their families instead
of losing their lives, because I understand they're still in
pretty tough condition. But I think it's a samba reminder
that soldiers, whether they're active duty, reserve or National Guard,

(48:12):
our soldiers are the sword and the shield of the
United States of America. And as a person who goes
into work every single day and that building and knows
that there are a lot of people who wear the
uniform of the United States Army, let me just say
very personally, thank them for what they're doing.

Speaker 5 (48:31):
We're grateful to them, and we're praying that they're.

Speaker 14 (48:33):
Going to be safe and they're going to spend Thanksgiving
with their families.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
God bless them.

Speaker 14 (48:38):
Now I'm going to talk a little bit about the
business of the Army and about what you're doing, and
about why it's important to the United States of America
and why we are proud of you, every single one
of our soldiers here in Fort Campbell and all across
the world. We have got some incredible guests here here
to honor this moment, to honor you, to say thanks

(48:58):
to so many of you for spending time away from
your families here this day before Thanksgiving. And I want
to give just a few shout outs to some of
our special guests before we get started. First of all,
to General Travis McIntosh and Command Sergeant Major Charles Walker,
Thank you guys for leading this incredible facility, and thank
you for serving in the United States Army and making

(49:20):
us proud. Where are you, guys, please stand up and
be recognized.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
Thank you all.

Speaker 14 (49:32):
We've got my dear friend, Senator Marsha Blackburn, Marsha, please
stand up and say hello. And we also have Congressman Rose.
Where is Congressman Rose? Please stand up? Thank you, Congressman.
It's good to say you.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
Now.

Speaker 14 (49:51):
I've got to, of course, thank my dear friend Bob Ritchie.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
You better know him as Kid Rock.

Speaker 14 (49:55):
But I want to say to my staff I gave
them one instruction, and that's that I don't have to
follow a literal rock star before I give a speech,
and they screwed that up the day before Thanksgiving.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
So every single one of them are fired.

Speaker 14 (50:10):
But thank you to Bob Ritchie Kid Rock, because he's
not just a great musician, he's.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
Not just a great American. He is a person who
loves the soldiers of the United States Army.

Speaker 14 (50:20):
And we are proud and grateful for Kid Rock for
being here today. I want to take another few moments
and just say thanks to Major Josh Wilcox, Master Sergeant
Aaron duhat Check, Mister Jim Parks, Major Rob Wright, and
every single soldier who made it possible for.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
Me to come and visit. Now.

Speaker 14 (50:42):
I won't say that the weather is cooperating because it's
windy as.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
Hell and it is cold. Man, it is cold up here.

Speaker 14 (50:50):
My staff told me to wear a jacket and I said, now,
just be fine.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
And here I am two minutes in wishing.

Speaker 14 (50:55):
That I had listened because it is really freezing cold
up here.

Speaker 5 (50:59):
But we're gonna we're gonna have a little fun.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
So you've been listening to Vice President jd Vance, He
of course came out. He's at Fort Campbell in Kentucky
set to meet with troops before Thanksgiving, but also acknowledging
the shootings of two National Guard troops in Washington, d C.
We now have an update. We are hearing that the
two troops are West Virginia National Guard members, and both

(51:21):
of them have now reportedly passed away from their injuries
sustained as they were shot right outside the White House
or near the White House. Eric Bowling joining us now
with his thoughts on all of what has happened. Eric,
welcome to the show again. I hate that it's under
these circumstances. Your initial gut thought, your initial thoughts on

(51:43):
all of this, Eric, As we're now learning that these
two West Virginia National Guard members have died after being
shot near the White House.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
You know, Terrence, you're breaking the news here.

Speaker 15 (51:53):
I've been scouring the internet looking for exactly you know,
very strange. President Trump called him critically wounded, and Jade
Vance just said, let's hope these two guardsmen are going
to be able to spend Thanksgiving tomorrow with their families.
I'm just kind of shocked to hear that they passed.
I mean, yeah, wow, yeah, I don't know what to say.

(52:15):
I will tell you the violence against law enforcement is real,
and it really kind of lays into why we need
to I think Mark Kelly and I think the Sedition six,
those six military people who said, disobey your military orders.
You're superiors if you don't believe in what they're telling
me to do. It just creates the wrong atmosphere, the

(52:37):
wrong narrative for people who already have a thing.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
They got Trump arrangement syndrome.

Speaker 15 (52:41):
They don't like what Trump's doing, and it just kind
of opens the door for more violence. And you know,
it's not liberals.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
It's not Democrats who are being shot.

Speaker 15 (52:51):
It's law enforcements, ice, it's attempted assassinations of Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
It's Charlie Kirkatting assassinated.

Speaker 15 (52:58):
So the heightened rider the left will tell you, oh,
it's not us, it's them. It's MAGA, it's maga extremists, BS,
it's all liberal, it's all progressive. Now, I'm not jumping
to a conclusion that we know who the shooter is
or what the motives were for what this person did,
but I will tell you it is pretty apparent I've

(53:18):
been doing this a long time that there's one side
that's getting the business end of the gun and another
side who's using the hand end of the guns across
America right now. Wow, I'm just kind of shocked, Terrence.
I apologize because I don't even have to say. I
don't think President Trump was even expecting to hear what
you just reported.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
And I certainly know JD.

Speaker 15 (53:39):
Vance wasn't two minutes ago, three minutes ago when he
walked on stage and wished them well and hopeful hopefully
they would spend Thanks saving with their families.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Absolutely, and I have to say I was shocked as
well that update that I just shared coming from the
Associated Press, which one can question it's sourcing, but in
general I think it can be fairly accurate. And I
do believe that this is an accurate report from the
Associated Press, once again confirming that the two West Virginia
National guardsmen, which again is new information as well, that

(54:09):
they did both pass away from their injuries near the
White House. In fact, West Virginia's governor also confirming that
so just a sad state of affairs when when this
sort of thing happens, and when we've been talking about it,
and again you don't want a second guest. There's still
information coming in. We don't really know what motivated all

(54:30):
of this, but you mentioned it, and I think it's
a great point. When you've got lawmakers making videos telling
our troops to disregard President Trump's order, saying that the
orders are illegal, and those sorts of things, it creates
an environment that potentially can also put our lawmakers and
our law enforcement in harm's way. And this very well

(54:52):
may be a result of that. Again, we don't know
that for sure, but it absolutely creates an environment. I
think that's pretty clear.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Eric, Yeah, is there.

Speaker 15 (55:01):
It's it's uh, it's watered, it's fed, it's it's propped up,
and always on the left, always on the left. Can
you imagine what with these six So I'm sure they
didn't have any idea there would be a shooting within
days of them putting out the video of suggesting that
military people disobey their orders if they don't believe what
they're giving, what they're being them.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
But they've been given.

Speaker 15 (55:24):
But this is what happens when you heighten the rhetoric,
when you ratchet up the rhetoric, and then bad things happen.
You can't turn around and say we had nothing to
do with it. It's the same thing with Charlie Kirk.
Charlie Kirk, it's assassinated by a what they call a furry,
someone who likes to dress in weird animal type things
and do weird things. He was a his boyfriend was

(55:46):
a pro was a transgender person. Not sure which way
that goes, boy to girl, girl girl the boy, but
you know, and then and then they say, you know,
they pointed Trump and they say we're fascists. They say
mag Is, Nazis and Hitler youth and white nationalists and
white supremacists and Charlie kirktt's asassinated and they go, oh,

(56:07):
we had nothing to do with it. Maybe it was Maga.
Of course that's not the case. Of course, it's your rhetoric.
You're heightened rhetoric. You're pointing to constantly pointing the finger
at the right, calling us things names of historically horror,
horrendous people.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
You're gonna get people that act out on this stuff.

Speaker 15 (56:24):
I mean, I'm just in shock right now that these
guys passed away. Unfortunately, there's an original reporting that the
third person was shot. I'm not sure that has materialized
or not, but I mean, Terrence is just amazing that
the President tweets literally twenty five minutes ago, wishing them well,
We'll take down the animal that did this, and then

(56:45):
jad Vance walks out on stage to a military gathering
and says, let's hope they spend Thanksgiving with their loved ones.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Absolutely shock Erica. We also have this tweet just in
from West Virginia's governor. I'm gonna read this and give
you a a couple of minutes to kind of collect yourself,
because it is a shock to all of us. Patrick Morrissey,
the governor West Virginia, writing, it's with great sorrow that
we can confirm both members of the West Virginia National
Guard who were shot earlier today in Washington, d C.

(57:14):
Have passed away from their injuries. These brave West Virginians
lost their lives in the service of their country. We
are in ongoing contact with federal officials as the investigation continues.
So again confirmation there again that the two National guardsmen
who were shot in Washington, DC in fact were West
Virginia National Guardsmen, and unfortunately both of them now have

(57:37):
succumbed to their injuries and the investigation is ongoing. We
do know that a suspect is in custody right now.
We don't know if other suspects are being sought in
all of this. But again, we can now confirm that
the two National guardsmen who were shot there in Washington,
d C. Were West Virginia National Guardsmen. Both of them
now have succumbed to their injuries, so we've got the

(58:01):
confirmation there. You have the last word, sir.

Speaker 15 (58:04):
The only last word is horrendous, just just horrendous news,
especially for those families of those two guardsmen who have
now perished the day before Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
It's just incredible.

Speaker 15 (58:14):
That empty seed, I know it very well, in that
empty seed at Thanksgiving heartbreaking. It's going to be heartbreaking
for them. I'm just thrilled that we have.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
The murderer. We have them in custody.

Speaker 15 (58:25):
They have them in custody, and he's alive, and he'll
we'll find out what the motive was, you know, we'll
find out.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
They'll do the usual investigation.

Speaker 15 (58:31):
FBI will get involved, find out through scour through his
social media, find out if he has any sort of manifesto,
find out what inspired him, because there is an inspiration there.
You don't just lose your mind one day and start
killing people. You have an inspiration, maybe misguided, but we'll
find out what it was. And you know, God help
those seditious six if he had any if they have
there's any sort of hat tip towards what they said, but.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Again, that would be speculative.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
We don't want to do that, so agreed, Eric, I
don't want to speculate, but I will say this kind
of as we transition into your show. Isn't it that
much more unsettling that we don't have the answers at
the moment, that all we can do is speculate and
wonder what led to this, particularly when you know that
there are other law enforcement and other national guardsmen who
were deployed across this country simply to do their job

(59:19):
and to make sure that people are safer in their cities.
And when you don't know what may have motivated this,
you wonder and you are concerned for the safety of
those others. That's what comes to my mind.

Speaker 15 (59:31):
Indeed, Indeed, and if I misspoke by saying misguided, I
mean misguided the guy this person, I've assume it's a man.
I have no idea if man woman whatever, what they identify,
it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
This this animal.

Speaker 15 (59:42):
As Trump points out as accurately as possible, this animal
was inspired by something.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
We just we will find out what the inspiration was
for this and go after it and go weed it out,
root it out, find out where this evil