Cowboy Logic, December 21st, 2024

Segment 1: Cowboy Logic: Dominic Box

Segment 2: Cowboy Logic: Dominic Box

Segment 3: Cowboy Logic: Buzz Patterson

Segment 4: Cowboy Logic: Buzz Patterson

Segment 5: Cowboy Logic: Mike Benz

Segment 6: Cowboy Logic: Mike Benz

Segment 7: Cowboy Logic: Mike Benz

Segment 8: Cowboy Logic: Mike Benz

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:22):
And and inter.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
And ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Cowboy Logic. Merry Christmas

(01:11):
to each and every one of you, and we're gonna
do something different these first two segments. Instead of Donna's headlines,
we are going into the DC jail, which we haven't
done in a while, to talk to one of our
dear j six brothers, Dominic Box Dominic. Welcome to Cowboy Logic.
A merry Christmas to you. I pray to God you

(01:32):
are short and about a month from now you will
be walking home. But welcome to Cowboy Logic. It's been
a while since we've had you. How you been my friend.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
I'm doing very well. Don and Donna, thank you guys
for having me back. And hello to the Cowboy Logic family.
And like you said, it's been a while, but it's
actually it's been almost a year since we first talked
last Christmas, and it's so this whole experience has been surreal.
I'm sure you guys can imagine, but I never in

(02:03):
my life would have thought I'd be saying. You know,
this is now my second Christmas in jail, and you
know we've talked. I actually just spent my second birthday
behind bars here in the DC Gulag, and it's you know,
it's an honor every day to count myself among these men.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
But it's I'm definitely looking forward.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
To that day in less than a month now when.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
When myself and my brothers and sisters and this Jay
six family get to get to walk out of.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
The doors for for the last time and playing for it, man,
praying for playing for first of all, Happy belated birthday.
How how old are you now, my old man?

Speaker 4 (02:38):
I am. I am thirty five whole years old old.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
You could be our son, all right, Hey, listen, I
want to talk to you very quickly and and you
can educate all of our beloved viewers about this. You know,
for many years d C's jail was a tension for
J six ers as well, primarily for pre trial and

(03:05):
then pre sentencing. And there was a pod that started
off C two B that was called the Patriot Pod
that got changed because they didn't want you guys communicating
as much with the Freedom Corner folks. But now things
are very different in there. There is no longer the

(03:25):
Patriot Pod correct correct, And it's really.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
It's a terrible thing because when I came.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
In over a year ago.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
It's been about sixteen months now, though was not that
original pod. It was exclusively the pod that I was in,
which was C three A, was made up exclusively of
about forty January sixth defendants like myself going through a
similar struggle, having a very similar experience. And now, as

(03:55):
some of your audience may know, a little over a
month ago, it was actually on election day, uh, the the.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
D CDC administrative staff came in and said, there.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Is no longer a JA six pod. You are being
integrated with regular dc DOC inmates and there's nothing you
can do about it. And thankfully, you know, we have
a good relationship with some of the correctional staff officers.
They've come to know us over the last four years.
They know we're not the things that the news media
has said about us. And they actually tipped us off

(04:26):
the night before the election. And as one of the
most senior guys here, and I mean I've been here
the longest.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
I said, hey, we've got to do something about this.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
There is very clearly an.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Intentional decision being made to cause conflict and cause chaos
on election day went when after almost four years we've
had the exclusivity of a JA six exclusive pod to
then make the decision on Tuesday, November.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Fifth, you're going to integrate us with with.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Murderers, kidnappers, drug traffickers and and regular DC inmates something
you know, We're not going to and for that. And
we when they tried to do it, we we had
some collective action. We stood up and said this cannot happen.
We know what you guys are doing, and we were
not going to stand for it. And thankfully that worked
for about two days.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
And then they they did it anyway.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
And it's really, you know, it's not that we we
can't get along with other people. It's just that you're
mixing water and oil. Many of the men that I
mean you're with have never had an overdue library book,
they've never had a speeding ticket, and now they are
in cells next to men who are looking at twenty
thirty some of them life in prison, and it's very

(05:35):
obvious that they're looking for chaos and conflict. They're looking
for that headline that o J sixers you know, engage
in physical conflict with you know, X, Y or Z
type of inmates. And thankfully being the people that we
are and having the relationship with people on the outside.
We've been able to break bread with these men and
find commonality, and thank god, we've had actually, you know,

(05:55):
at present, no issues between the inmates, but just because
of the.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Type that the inmate they've brought in here.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
In the last two weeks, don I've actually seen three knives,
multiple homemade weapons. There have been drugs on the unit,
and actually one they brought They brought a lot of
transsexual and mentally deal inmates onto the unit, and one
of them actually attacked the correctional staff officer two nights ago,
got the whole unit lockdown, and it's just really, you know,
these are not issues that I've had to deal with

(06:23):
over the last sixteen months, but because of the decision
by the doc, that's now what we're dealing with. And
more than just what I'm experiencing, I really I empathize
and I feel so bad for the January six ers
who are being sentenced. As you know, people are still
being arrested and picked up today, seventy year old grandmothers.

(06:43):
You know, I'm no longer the only Savannah man. There
was another gentleman from Savannah who was picked up recently
and these people are coming to the DCDOC and they're
being stuck in solitary confinement. So not only are they
locked down for twenty three hours a day, but they're
on a complete They're having a completely different experience.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
They don't have.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Access to the same resources, the vigil and the camaraderie
that I had to help make this last sixteen months aiable.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
And I really think.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's a shame that, you know, for three and a
half almost four years, we were able to have you know,
all of us.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
You know, we're going through something similar. Everybody's in here
for different charges and different activities, but at the end
of the day, we're all going through the same struggle.
And they put us.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Together because and they, you know, the administrative staff back
in March said that for our own safety and security,
they're going to.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
Keep us together.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
And for whatever reason, somebody made a decision, whether it
was mayor Bowser, the new Deputy Warden, or whoever it was,
it's very clear that it wasn't because there was a
lack of space or a lack of funding, but they
wanted to cause conflict, and you know, we're rising above it,
and it's just it's a real shame that the people
that are still coming into this facility, because there's actually
there's eight of us on the unit right now, but

(07:55):
I know there's at least twenty, if not twenty five
January six ers in the facility the whole, but they're not.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Being brought over here. And a lot of men are
coming back.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
For recent thing and they're being stuck in solitary confinement.
And like I said, the people who are just now
being picked up are being stuck in solitary confinement and
they don't deserve that. And somebody eventually are going to
have to answer for for what they've done here in
this jail.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Well, and not only men, but there's also women. Olivia's
in there and she's obviously on the women's side of this.
Donna go ahead on the No.

Speaker 6 (08:25):
Just the problem is you've got they're just not stopping.
And it's so obvious. Trump is saying he's going to
pardon everybody in about a month's time, and yet they're
still they're still arresting people. The Middletons have to show
up for services as as Mark Middleton said, he's trying

(08:47):
to maintain his sense of humor on the on the seventeenth,
and and this is just they just don't care like
you say. They're trying to sow conflict, which is exactly
what they tried to do on January sixth.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Right, and let me tell you your audience may be
interested to note this.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
The FBI came out a couple of weeks ago and.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Said that they would only be pursuing the most egregious
and violent offenders.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
On January sixth, while I'm.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
In here with the guy by the name of Greg Purdy,
his brother Matthew, was convicted of two misdemeanor counts a
couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
They brought him to jail immediately.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
This guy has been out on bond pre trial release
for over three years, had absolutely no violations whatsoever. And
Judge Royce Lambert sentenced him to ninety days in jail
for two misdemeanors. He ordered him immediately remanded to custody.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
He's from New York.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
They left him in a jail cell here in the
DC DOOC in solitary confinement over his sentencing was off Friday.
He was held in solitary confinement for seventy two hours,
never left to take a shower, had no access to
communication of any kind, no phone, no letters, no commissary.
And then early at five in the morning on Monday,
was shipped by bus to a county jail in Kentucky, Yeah,

(10:02):
to serve out the remainder of thirty to thirty five
days before he gets a part in. And the American
taxpayers are paying to ship people across the country for
misdemeanor violations. This is somebody who's never had a speeding ticket,
no criminal history of any kind. The judge didn't let
him self report, and instead the US taxpayers are now
on the hook for sending somebody to the middle of

(10:23):
nowhere for misdemeanors. It's a terrible thing. It's a travesty,
it's a miscarriage of justice. And again, like I say,
somebody eventually is going to have to answer for the
crimes that they've committed against against the January six ers.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
You got about thirty seconds before we're going to have
to go to a break. Are the CEOs that are
in that you deal with on a regular basis. In
there are these CEOs kind of acknowledging that you guys
are all short.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
They are, you know, the ones that work on our
unit are people who have advocated, They go through admitting
process and they want to work on our unit. As
some of you guys have seen on social media, a
lot of them are able to sleep on our unit
because prior to the integration there were no weapons, there
were no fights, there were no issues. And a lot
of them they come up, they give us fist bumps
and they say, you know what we'll see on the outside,

(11:12):
come to my house for a meal. You know, God
bless you guys. It's a really cool experience. It's not
what the men experienced when they first got here, but
because of the hard work and the struggle that some
of those original guys went through, they helped pave the
way for those of us now to experience, you know,
being treated like humans. And a lot of the staff,
because of the interactions they had with us, from what
they tell us, actually voted for Trump.

Speaker 7 (11:33):
And I want to hand you that got it.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Hold your thought on that. We got to go to
a break, ladies and gentlemen, you see the crawl. That's
how you can help. We're going to go back into
the DC jail with Dominic Box when we get back. Hey,

(12:37):
Cowboy Logic Nation, Kelly Megs from the dc G.

Speaker 7 (12:43):
Thanks so much for all your support out there.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
We appreciate everything you're doing.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
All right, Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Kelly Meggs at
the top of this segment, how'd you like that seeing
brother Kelly Megs.

Speaker 6 (12:55):
I want to see it.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
That's right, And that video that you saw of Kelly
Meggs is basically in the same facility that brother Dominic
Box is coming to us from, and that's the DC
Jail Dominic. Welcome back after the break to Cowboy Logic. Hey,
before we went to break, you were talking about being

(13:17):
short and uh the the what the marshalls have been
actually saying and talking to you about?

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Yeah, so I was actually at.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
The courthouse a couple of weeks ago doing my pre
sentenced investigation, and after that the US marshals actually pulled
me out of the holding cell and said no Fox premire,
I'm like, you know, what what's this about? And they said,
mister Box, we we see your sentencing a scheduled for
the end of February. I said, yes, sir, that's February twenty.
First the two of them both shoot their shoot their hands.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
Out and said, well, I guess.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
We'll never see you again. Congratulations and enjoy your freedom.
And guys, it was you know that right there shows
me that you know, they know, I know the other
any racixers in here know the President Donald J. Trump
is going to keep his word. And on January twentieth,
those pardons are coming down. And myself and so many

(14:08):
others may never and should never make it back to
that Ebery Peediman courtouse. Uh two, it's a percent and
sing it and I'm looking forward to that.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
It was a blessing in such a relief, you.

Speaker 6 (14:20):
Know, from what I gather, if you're not actually sentenced,
it actually expunges your record. From from what i've I'm
not they said that about Donald Trump, he's not a
convicted felon.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, see, you're not a You're not a convicted felon
at this point, and so and that and that pardon
can still come down for you. But you and some
of the other J sixers that have not a either
been to trial or been convicted or been sentenced. Uh,
it's it's a little bit better of a situation that

(14:54):
you're in. Why don't you tell everybody very quickly about
your case, what you were charged, with with what you
would be facing if President Trump didn't hand down a pardon.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
So FBI came to.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
See me very early on in February after I'd spent
a month in the hospital. Broke every rib on the
left side, collapsed along broke my back, had full reconstructive
surgery on my arm. The FBI actually began their investigation.
I'm pretty sure there was some hippo violations. They were
talking to people at the hospital. Less than forty eight
hours after getting out of the hospital, they knocked on

(15:28):
my door and my mom, who's the nurse, had actually
come to take I couldn't walk and she said, oh,
it's the FBI EI, They're here to help.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
And I said, no, mom, if that's not what this is.
And I still give for trouble about that today.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
That was a February of twenty twenty one. Did not
arrest or charge you with anything. They saw that I
had a legitimate press pass from the Trump campaign.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
I showed them documents showing.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
That I had a documented history of engaging in journalism,
that I was working on a story for the Savannah
Morning News And I said, well, what is this? Are
you guys arresting me?

Speaker 4 (15:54):
And they said no, but we'll be in touch. And
boy were they, you know, every week for the next
almost year. They kind of.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Treated me like, you know, a fish in an aquarium
with a little kid, just walking up and tapping and
saying where are you at, what are you doing? Where
are you working? And you know, my life was turned
upside down. Even though I wasn't able to work or
wasn't charge, immediately, I lost my job, I lost the
place I was living, and my whole normalcy was just
shattered immediately. So I end up actually getting you know,

(16:23):
I finally I'm not able to work in Savannah, so
I get a job opportunity, by the grace of God,
down in Jacksonville, Florida. I stopped engaging in the same
citizen journalism. I stopped covering politics, which I hated. But
I'm like, you know what, I've got to do, what
I got to do to survive. And wouldn't you know,
as soon as I moved down to Florida, move into
a new house, get a car, get a job that

(16:44):
I had to fight like hell to get, That's when
the FBI calls me and says, hey, Dom, actually we
need you to come back to Savannah through being charged.
So in December of twenty twenty two, they end up
charging me with formist demeanors, put me on these insane
pre trially conditions for for misdemeanors that caused me to
have to drive down to Jacksonville twice so two times

(17:05):
a week for several months. And I'm just I'm begging, pleading,
I'm saying, hey, can I get a pleat deal. Let's
let's wrap this thing up, let's get it done. And
then on July third, so about eight months later, they
finally decide to say, hey, mister box, the only plea
deal this is a Department of Justice that we're willing
to offer you is to an obstruction of an official

(17:25):
preceding felony charge. And you know, I'm thinking, what, I've
not even been charged with a felony, so how are
they going to ask me to plead to a felony?
And they did this thing called a reverse proper where
it's basically a PowerPoint presentation, and they're like, here's.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
How we'll convict you of this.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Here's how we'll convict you of this, And they actually
threatened me with the whole slew of felonies and my
public pretender at the time was like, well, dombit, it
seems like a pretty good deal. You know, they've got
all these other filmies that can charge you with. And
you know, I prayed about it. I talked to my mom.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
And she said, you know, Domin, if you can't plead
to something that you didn't do, and I knew I didn't.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
I read the statute. I had no intention to obstruct
an official proceeding.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
I didn't camper as any whit.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
This is there any documents are you talking about? Are
you talking about the fifteen twelve I.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Am that was the only plea deal that they offered me.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Keep in mind, while I was only charged with misdemeanors,
they asked me to plete guilty to that fifteen twelve charge.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
And this is before the Supreme Court had started looking
at the charge.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
But you know, something in my gut told me I
can't do it. I just I can't pleate guilty to
a felony that I don't believe it committed. And I didn't,
And ultimately I ended up being detained in Jacksonville, Florida.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
And wouldn't you know it, then the government indicts me
on those multiple felony counts put those charges with the.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Fifteen twelve obstruction charge that gave me two counts of
the civil disorder two thirty one.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Charge, and they maintained the additional four misdemeanors.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
By the time I actually make it here to DC,
the Supreme Courts, by the grace of God, had granted
serciary to the Fisher case. And I knew deep down
that the Supreme Court doesn't always get everything right. But
I had to gamble and that on the American people
and the sixty three conservative majority that somehow, someway they
would see through the absurdity of that fifteen twelve charge

(19:05):
that had never been used for protesting in American history, that.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
They would get it right. And though I was, you.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Know, surprised with the way it shook out eventually that
that charge did get dismissed or that that statue did,
you know, come to be viewed as invalidated. But that
was not before I actually went to trial. I did
the bench trial and Judge Colleen Calocratelly's courtroom, and despite.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
The Supreme Court taking a look at the case, the.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Government was unwilling to dismiss my fifteen twelve and we
actually talked.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
It was about a week before I went to trial
back in June, and we went to court.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
I did a stipulated trial, and eventually in October, four
months after I went to trial, I was found guilty
on all counts and the government finally after four months.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
Did decide to go ahead and dismissed.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
That fifteen twelve obstruction charge. So I'm currently convicted and charged.
I've been found guilty of I guess, the two felony
accounts of civil disorder and the four misdemeanors, and the
statutory maximum is actually thirteen years. Now, my guidelines are
certainly less than that. But you know, I'm somebody that
has never apologized for my action. You know, I accept

(20:22):
responsibility for my actions, but I was there to document
what happened.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
And I'm dead and I'm glad that I did. But
I'm somebody. You know, I went on HBO.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
I've been very vocal and shared my footage from that day.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
But in the government, you know, they came after me.
I'm actually I've.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Got the unique designation of being the only January sixth
are currently detained in the DC jail with no violent charges.
But that hasn't kept the DOJ from you know, incarcerating
me for almost two years now. And you know, I'm
so thankful that that President Trump won. And I was
actually I'm the only one that's got a functioning radio,
so I actually got the all out to the other men.

(21:02):
They of course, they locked us in and made it
be like a regular night, but I got to be
the one to shout out and let the other men
know that we won early in the morning on November sixth,
And that was one of the great great joys of
my life because with al President Trump coming back, despite
having no violent charges, despite having a legitimate press past
and a documented history of engaging in journalism, I was

(21:23):
facing up to thirteen years in federal prison for engaging
in journalism.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
And that's a terrible thing.

Speaker 6 (21:29):
You know, what happened to you is sort of what
happened to Matthew Perna and so many others, and it
made Matthew Perna take his own life. They decided to
throw some more charges on him afterwards, and a lot
of people can't take that kind of thing. But I'm
glad you listened to your mother. I'm just telling you that.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Go ahead, all right, listen, we got about a minute
that I want you to touch on something, and that
is a conversation that you and I had in which
now that you guys are integrated with general population, it's
creating a bit of a uh, for lack of a
better word, and economic problem because you guys, as Jay

(22:07):
six ers, have got pretty good uh commissary funds and
some of these guys in general population don't. They don't
have anything. You got about them about a minute to
talk about that?

Speaker 5 (22:17):
Well, well, what I'll first they thank you to the
American people.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Thank you the Cowboy Logic family who do donate to
us and allow us to buy funds to take care
of ourself.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
Chucris Jail doesn't pick care of you. They don't feed you.
They'll give you hiring supplies, but.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, you know, we're we're able to order food every
week to supplement the you know, the starvation rations they
give us here.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
And some of these guys have been in for There's
literally a guy.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Who's been here for six years and they have nothing,
so uh.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
There there's one.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
General population inmate that I've seen who who is able.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
To get commissary.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
But every every Friday when they bring us our food,
There's there's there's there's.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Eyes that are watching us. And thankfully, you know, we
have enough, and you know a lot of us are
Christian faith that teaches us to share and yep, to
bless those who have less.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
But it's you know, I'm concerned, don about what's gonna
happen come January eighteenth, nineteen to twenty, when we're all
processing to walk out and some of these guys who have.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
You know, they're staring at life in prison.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
What's gonna happen, What's gonna happen with those weapons that
I've already seen, What's gonna happen with those guys.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
Who you know, feel entitled to the things that we have.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
And you know, I would just ask what your audience
continues to pray for us, Pray for the men and
women that are incarcerated, not just here in the DC jail,
but at the BOP facilities across the country, and just
pray for President Trump and his administration. I have full
confidence that the next four years are going to be
better than anything we've seen.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
Certainly in my life.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Amen to that. Amen, Brother, we gotta go, We gotta
go to break. I can't wait till the next time
you and I talk and we find out maybe that
you are at home, ladies and gentlemen, you're watching Cowboy
Logic JAY six coverage, and we'll be back.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
I guess who just got there today.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
The round that thought that.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Had been away haven't changed, had much to see, but
men are still think them cast a question.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
They were asking if you were around, how.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
It was, where you could be found.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Told them you were living downtown, dropping all the old men, quizing.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Town, I said, And.

Speaker 6 (25:14):
We are back on Cowboy Logic. The boys are back
in town. Hopeyirls running the show in d C. Come
January twentie, if we can only hope. Well, I think
this is perfect timing because we're going to talk to
Lieutenant Colonel Buzz Patterson. Buzz carried the nuclear football for
Bill Clinton.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Are you doing brother there?

Speaker 6 (25:34):
We are great to see you again.

Speaker 7 (25:37):
To get back on. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 6 (25:39):
It's awesome to have you back on. But your books,
Dereliction of Duty, the eyewitness account of how Bill Clinton
compromised America's national security because you carried the nuclear football
for Bill Clinton, and how many times do you think
he lost the nuclear codes.

Speaker 8 (25:57):
Well, I know for sure at least once. I suspect
more times. But in my two years there, I was
there from ninety six to ninety eight, he lost them
for sure on my shift when I was on duty,
and we never did find him, and we don't know
how long. He never could remember how long it had been.
So I write about this in dere Election of Duty

(26:18):
because you know, there is a period of time where
our commander in chief did not have the ability to
launch nuclear weapons or retaliate with nuclear weapons, and that
was Bill Clinton.

Speaker 6 (26:27):
And I want to get to that. I want to
get to that in a minute, because I think now
Joe Biden's taught that one.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Hey boy, we'll get it. I don't know what are
these codes.

Speaker 7 (26:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (26:38):
Unbelievable. You served twenty years in the Air Force. You
were the senior military advisor to Bill Clinton, and again
you carried the nuclear football. And again You've got a
bunch of best sellers, Dereliction of Duty, reckless disregard, war crimes,
the left's campaign to destroy the military and lose the
war on terror. Jude, that's still pretty pertinent at the point.

(27:00):
So let's get right. I want to ask you outright.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Who's carrying who's got the nuclear codes? Right now?

Speaker 8 (27:09):
I can almost guarantee you, guys, one hundred percent it's
not Joe Biden.

Speaker 7 (27:13):
Yeah, you know, I and I don't know.

Speaker 8 (27:16):
I suspect it's probably the chief of staff of the
White House. You know, it's supposed to be every president
since we created these codes, which goes back to Dwight Eisenhower,
has carried them on his pant in his pants pocket
or his jacket pocket, you know, or somewhere on his person,
right on his body. And Clinton was the first person

(27:37):
to ever lose those. And I don't believe that Joe
Biden is mentally competent to be the guy carrying those around.
So I suspect. I mean, I know that there's military
aid still working for Biden. I mean there's the same
guys doing the same job that I did carrying the football.
But the president has the codes, and I guarantee you
that Joe Biden does not have them. I think it's
probably somebody up the chain that's a little more or.

Speaker 6 (28:03):
Yeah's Camel John prere Well.

Speaker 7 (28:09):
I don't think it'd be Kamally either.

Speaker 8 (28:12):
Just makes me that makes me wonder actually, but you know,
there's no way that Joe Biden's taking at three o'clock
in the morning phone call, you know, And that's.

Speaker 7 (28:21):
What would come down to it.

Speaker 6 (28:22):
It's scary.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Let me ask you this, brus so that our beloved
viewers can wrap their heads around, uh, kind of the
inside baseball to carrying the nuclear football. You always when
you were on duty carrying that, satchel, ladies and gentlemen,
it's not a football, okay, but when you were carrying that,

(28:46):
you always had to be very close to the president. Correct,
what are if you're allowed to disclose, what are those
procedures and policies and that type of can give you parameters.

Speaker 8 (29:01):
I'd give you a broad brushed do So there is
always a military eight with the president no matter where
he or she goes in the world twenty four to
seven Air Force one marine one. So in the White House,
I had a bedroom and I had an office, so
I was always in I was in the east wing
and he would be in the West wing typically right,
so I could get down there in a minute and
a half.

Speaker 7 (29:20):
And it's a very time time critical process.

Speaker 8 (29:24):
So if you think about a missile being shot at, say,
for example, China where to shoot one, or Russia where
to shoot one over the pole? At US we only
have fifteen eighteen minutes max. To make a decision to
verify that is actually a launch. Number one, it's the
most important thing, right, And then two get to the president.

(29:45):
The military eight has the football, the President has the code.
You match those up. Then the phone calls go out
to the Pentagon, very very secure communications with the Pentagon,
the National Military Command Center, and that's when people start
turning keys, missile silos and nuclear subs and bombers start launching.

Speaker 7 (30:05):
And we practiced it. You know, Clinton was very believe
it or not.

Speaker 8 (30:09):
Clinton was fairly focused on the whole process, and he
would ask very intelligent questions and I would give him
a briefing about once every three months, and we would
practice it about once every three months, just to make
sure that all the unified commands across all the military
services knew what the process was and they were comfortable
with the process. And I guarantee you that's not happening

(30:30):
today with Biden.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Again.

Speaker 8 (30:32):
That's why I'm very concerned about well, you know, if Iran,
for example, were to launch a nuke at Israel or
Israel were to launch one in Iran.

Speaker 7 (30:40):
We'd be in World War three immediately. And I don't
think that.

Speaker 8 (30:45):
I don't trust that our current commander in chief has
the wherewithal to prosecute that.

Speaker 7 (30:51):
Now. I cannot wait for January twentieth, because I know
Donald Trump does.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah, I would.

Speaker 7 (30:57):
Love to be a military aid for Donald Trump.

Speaker 8 (31:01):
I mean, I'm too old for it now, but I
mean I can't imagine a better something. You know, I got,
I got the short end of the stick, and I
got Bill Clinton.

Speaker 7 (31:10):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, but it was never a dull moment. It was
never a dull moment with Bill.

Speaker 9 (31:15):
And especially especially and listen, I could be going out
on a limb here, but did you ever hear anything
flying through the air and smashing against the wall.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
In your tenure? Is the lamps? I mean lamps and
any kind of inimate object. I saw.

Speaker 8 (31:34):
I saw Hilly throw a hardcover book at the Secret
Service driver in the limpy and the beast. We were
heading back from some event somewhere, and I was back
there with President Clinton talking to him about his speech
notes in the back of the limo, and I saw Hillary,
who wanted to go to dinner, and Bill didn't want
to go to dinner. So and so the Secret Service

(31:54):
guy was kind of siding with President Clinton, saying, you know, man,
we haven't had a chance to screen and and you know,
go through the restaurant and just you know, mag everybody.
And so she didn't like that answer, and she took
a hardcover book that she was reading and she whipped
it across the across the limousine and to hit the
Secret Service driver in the back of the head.

Speaker 7 (32:14):
Now we're going down the highway at.

Speaker 8 (32:15):
About sixty five seventy in a motorcade, in a motorcade,
and I saw the driver's head good out like that,
and I go, oh.

Speaker 6 (32:24):
It could have been It could have been like Cassidy
Hutchinson Sidney tried to grab it, to grab the.

Speaker 7 (32:30):
Wheel, you buzz can't grab the wheel from the back
of the beast. That's another thing.

Speaker 8 (32:34):
You cannot grap that wheel, man, that's about twenty five feet.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, but in Cassidy's mind, they can, And let's change
his mind.

Speaker 6 (32:41):
You can.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
I'm gonna ask you to speculate on something going out
on another limb here. If you were to rank on
a scale of one to ten, one being non existent,
ten being way over the top positive.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
How would you rank the Roman antique factor of the
Bill Clinton Hillary Clinton marriage segment.

Speaker 6 (33:06):
You're gonna ask him to chance that.

Speaker 7 (33:10):
I'm gonna give you a quick answer. There was none.

Speaker 8 (33:16):
I never saw them hold hands, I never saw them kiss.
I never saw them And they had separate beds upstairs
in the White House, so they didn't sleep together. So
I never saw a single intimate moment. And from my
time there, it was one hundred percent all about business
and their relationship, especially you know, I was there during
the Monica Lewinsky stuff, and that's when that's when Bill,

(33:40):
That's what Hillary basically said, I'm not going to leave you,
but you owe me.

Speaker 7 (33:43):
Yah.

Speaker 6 (33:44):
Yeah, I'd like to be a fly on the wall.
I'd like to be a fly on the wall because
past conversations that we've had with you, you said, basically,
because you had the nuclear football at night, there was
a wall separating hotel room yours, and you could hear everything.
I really wanted to be a final.

Speaker 7 (34:05):
No, not everything. I didn't want to hear anything I heard.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Some things are nauseating. All right, Well, we've had a
lot of fun in this segment. But we're gonna come
back and we're getting it in some deep things here
with Colonel Patterson here about some interesting things that have
been in the news. Also the fact that we believe
he is actually uh, he actually won a congression.

Speaker 6 (34:31):
He should be a congressman.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
This should be a congressman, Buzz Patterson. But ladies and gentlemen,
when we get back, more interesting and fun facts from
Colonel Buzz Patterson. You're watching Cowboy Logic. Merry Christmas to you.
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we're back on Cowboy Logic with Lieutenant Colonel Buzz Patterson,
who carried the nuclear football for Bill Clinton, wrote a book,
Dereliction of Duty, among other best sellers. You can find
them all on Amazon and at Buzz Patterson on social media.
But yeah, we think what Clinton lost the nuclear codes
at least once. According to you and probably the folks

(36:39):
who came after you said that happened again.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
He should have looked under a dress, just at dress.

Speaker 8 (36:48):
You know. The time the timing was coincidental when he
confessed that he had lost the codes was the exact
same morning that the Monica Lewinsky thing at.

Speaker 7 (36:56):
The National Press.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Oh.

Speaker 8 (36:59):
The only thing he cared about, Uh, Donna, Donna, was
that he goes he'd been up all night.

Speaker 7 (37:04):
You could I walked.

Speaker 8 (37:05):
I was the first person on his briefing schedule that
morning at seven am, and I walked in and I
saw that I knew Monica personally, so I knew that
this has been going on for a while.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (37:15):
And I saw the Washington Post headline that said sex
scandal Rock's White House. And then I walked into the
Oval office and there's our present. He's got his head
in his hands, his eyes are blooded, he's been up
all night. And I said, sir, I can come back later.
I was just there to talk to him about the
nuclear process and and but I said, before I leave,
can you tell me? Can you just show me the codes?

(37:35):
Just I want to confirm you had the codes? And
and that's when he confessed that he had in fact
lost him and he didn't remember how long it had been.
And I really pressed him on that. I said, sir,
has it been weeks or months? He goes, possibly?

Speaker 2 (37:47):
So.

Speaker 8 (37:48):
But the thing that well, I said, I said, I'll
come back later. I'll come back later and chat with
you about it.

Speaker 7 (37:55):
He's the thing, he says. Walking out the door.

Speaker 8 (37:57):
He goes, buzz, I don't just don't let anybody else
know about this, don't let the press know. I said,
I can't survive this if I cannot survive this on
top of this, So the Monica thing was on his
mind more than anything else, but the fact that he'd
lost the codes was secondary, and he didn't want me
to go to the press and talk about it, and
of course I didn't until I wrote their election to duty.

Speaker 7 (38:18):
It's all in there, and you did that.

Speaker 6 (38:20):
Priorities, priorities, Monica over the nuclear codes.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Thank god.

Speaker 6 (38:24):
Vladimir Putin, in my opinion, is showing great restrain even
now with Ukraine. But that's another suit.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
By the way, everybody Buzz Patterson's books are perfect books
for Christmas. Perfect books.

Speaker 6 (38:36):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
I remember you're buzz that we just gave We were
giving your books away for Christmas. We would order them
on Amazon and we would send them to our family
members and then we go visit the family members and
they're the books. So Christmas gifts. Everybody Buzz Patterson books
for Christmas.

Speaker 8 (38:54):
If people want to buy them, they can send them
to me. An all autograph either before Christmas. Raths awesome, okay, awesome, yep.

Speaker 6 (39:01):
Get in touch with you on social media on that. Okay,
you ran for Congress in twenty twenty, No, he ran, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
The seat in Congress.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
But this is California. I mean, come on, California is
still counting from twenty twenty four and miraculously everyone that
they recount, the Democrats just managed to eke it out
by two three hundred votes. So give us the latest
because you actually never conceded either.

Speaker 8 (39:26):
No, I have not conceded, and I'm still waiting for
my vote to be counted. So I ran in California seven,
so that used to be prior to the rezoning that
was basically Sacramento East into the foothills. Folsome in that area,
Granite Bay, beautiful, beautiful area. And I'm convinced that we

(39:48):
if we didn't win, we were much closer.

Speaker 7 (39:51):
I got. I received more.

Speaker 8 (39:53):
Republican votes than any Republican candidate ever in that district,
one hundred percent, more than anybody ever.

Speaker 7 (39:59):
And all of a sudden, ammy Tommy Bear.

Speaker 8 (40:01):
Is his name, he ends up, you know, in the
last minute, all of a sudden jumping over me. I mean,
our polls were, our polls were looking good, and we
thought we were we were almost one hundred percent sure
we were in. And again my vote, I voted for myself, obviously,
and my vote saw us have been counted, so I
don't know what kind of snannigans were going on. I

(40:21):
suspect a lot of things, and that's why I'm kind
of on the periphery involved it with the California Election
Integrity Project.

Speaker 6 (40:32):
Yeah, Linda Payne, we've had her on our show. It's
been a while. We need to have her back. But
I mean, this is the mo o that we're seeing
that's been going on for decades now, you know, don't
go to sleep. It started with that goofy guy from
Saturday Night Live who finally won, you know, after they
count olt Frank, I mean, I mean, come on, you know,

(40:53):
and they counted, and they they keep counting until they
and they're still doing it. In my opinion, the only
thing is with Trump in this last case was too
big to rig. So it happened all down ballot. So
what are they going to do? They really need to
clean the voter rolls.

Speaker 8 (41:07):
They do, and that's where the Election Integrity Project is
trying to go. We are suing a whole bunch of
different county secretaries and the stex Secretary of State of California,
we're suing him as well, and just asking for clean
the roles Verify, signature verify, and there's so many dead

(41:31):
people that are voting in California to this day. In fact,
guys that you know that we're still California is still
counting this past elections votes here we are. Yeah, it's
been a month, a little over a month and almost
a month and a half, and we're still counting.

Speaker 6 (41:46):
They count until the Democrats win. That's really in the.

Speaker 7 (41:51):
Crafts have flipped two seats.

Speaker 8 (41:52):
So there was two really tight house races out here
that because of the late and continuous creating a votes
and counting, two different seats were flipped by Democrats that
we had we had the lead on that we're projected
winners out here Republicans, and then because of the month

(42:14):
of vote counting, now those two seats of both flip Democratics.

Speaker 7 (42:18):
So it only works out in one direction.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
You never see a seat flip from Democrat to Republican.
You just don't see that.

Speaker 6 (42:24):
But that proves it's not the machines, quite honestly, because
the machines were shut off on the fifth, they're still
counting the mail in ballots and all the other garbage,
and you know, it's ridiculous, it's totally ridiculous.

Speaker 8 (42:34):
Original ballots. The provisional ballot while out here is ridiculous.
And you can walk up, you know, with no ID
and ask for a provisional on voting.

Speaker 7 (42:43):
Day and they'll let you vote.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (42:45):
And again there's no vote, no voter ID required out here.
And of course that's one of the things I would
change immediately. And I hope that Trump goes in there
and that mandates a national ID requirement.

Speaker 6 (42:56):
Yeah, that's what we're hoping as well.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
We got about we got about three minutes left, and
I want to go someplace that obviously is going to
be somewhat speculation on your part, But in the news
for the past week or so, it appears that New
Jersey maybe and other areas along the East coast still yeah,

(43:22):
weird things flying around in the sky. Now, you spent
a vast majority of your life flying around at very
high altitudes in air force jets. What do you think,
Because I do know for a fact that there are
club cars that at least ten years ago were positioned

(43:42):
off the East coast X number of kilometers away that
could launch potentially weapons up into a high enough altitude
that an EMP could be created. I know that Iran
had something to do with that, probably China as well.

(44:03):
What do you think is going on with these things
that are allegedly the size of SUVs flying around in
northern New Jersey and up and down the coast quite frankly.

Speaker 8 (44:14):
Well, I'm gonna I spent twenty years flying in the
Air Force and then another sixteen flying for Delta. So
I've got thirty six years in aviation, both military and commercially,
and I've been to seventy different countries over my flying experience,
and probably every single state in the United States. I think,

(44:35):
what's I think this is mass hysteria over absolutely nothing.
I think that ninety nine percent of what people are
filming or airplanes, their commercial jets or their cargo jets
like FedEx and ups. In fact, there was a couple
in New Jersey last night that thought was a great
idea to use a sniper laser one what they thought

(44:57):
was a drone and it was a FedEx jet and
it ended up blinding both the pilots temporarily. And so
I'm advocating do not I don't care what you think
you're looking at, do not point a weapon at it.
Do not point a laser at it. It's probably a
commercial airliner. I've not seen anything so far in the videos.
And again I've been flying twenty thousand hours over the years.

(45:21):
I have not seen any video yet that I could
not say that is probably a seven thirty seven. On
the other hand, I will tell you know that in
my thirty six years of flying Don and Donna, I've
seen everything. I've sad missile shot at me. I've had
fighters intercept me. I've seen satellites in space. When I'm
flying over the Pacific late at night, in the middle

(45:43):
of the night, you can see the satellites up there
operating in In spite of all of those things, I
have never seen anything in my thirty six years that
I couldn't I couldn't personally identify.

Speaker 6 (45:55):
Could be a look squirrel. As Joe Biden goes to
do another fifteen pardons.

Speaker 8 (46:02):
I think, you know, I think that there's some there's
some I think merit to that Don. I think that,
you know, Biden is trying to keep as low a
radar signature to you know, use a flying term. He's
trying to stay off the radar as much as he
possibly can and having people speculate about drones in New
Jersey is the perfect way to cut right.

Speaker 6 (46:23):
And that brings us back to where's the nuclear football?
So buzz unfortunately, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Brother Patterson, we appreciate you, and we stand beside all
of your great work. Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 6 (46:37):
Thank you, buzz.

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Ladies and Mike, welcome to Cowboy Logic for the first time.
You have been on this show more times than you
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the executive director and how former State Department official and
founder of Foundation for Freedom Online again, Foundation for Freedom
Online dot Com and at Mike ben Cyber So, Mike,
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(50:51):
is like a major history lesson on the BLOB. It
was epic talk about that a little bit, because I
think that's where people really need to really lies that
the government doesn't really have our best interests at heart.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (51:05):
Well, I was only able to get halfway through the
lecture material, unfortunately, but it was I think basically, you know,
they'd asked me to give a talk on the history
of the intelligence state, and it was sort of a
funny thing to try to structure because I think a
lot of people think that the intelligence community is sort
of at the top of the food chain when it

(51:26):
comes to power dynamics in the American government and don't
really see how it's all sort of connected and how
places like the CIA sort of are really a secondary
support group for a lot of the primary power structures
that come out of the State Department or the Defense Department,
and so in that lecture, I went over the history

(51:48):
of basically how they're allowed to lie to us, the
history of what's known as the plausible deniability doctrine, which
came out of a National Security Council memo in nineteen
forty eight, around the time that the entire US military
and the entire US state craft apparatus was reorienting from

(52:10):
kinetic war to political war. And this coincided with international
laws that prohibited taking over territory by military force, and
so we had to start winning military battles through controlling
civilian elections. And that's really where the cia its got
its clause from, and how so much of the outside

(52:33):
NGOs and universities and private sector organizations got folded into
CIA work.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
You were very clear in that speech, which by the way,
ladies and gentlemen, all you got to do is search
for Mike Ben's Hillsdale College and you can watch this.
It's approximately forty five minutes long. He was cut off,
but an amazing education. But one of the things that

(53:01):
struck me as troubling and interesting at the same time
was the relationship that you described between the State Department
and the CIA. Do you want to expand on that
at all.

Speaker 11 (53:17):
Yeah, So the creation of the CIA came out of
this military oss this sort of military clandestine service capacity
that we had during World War Two. And it's the
plausible deniability doctrine that gives the CI its ability to

(53:39):
lie about what it does. That is to get away
with arson, sabotage, black propaganda, demolition, you name it. Up
until the nineteen seventies, they were authorized for murder. You know,
there's the famous heart attack gun that was held up
in the Church Committee hearings, the killings of La Mumba

(54:02):
and Allende and world leaders, journalists, political figures all over
the world. This was all done because the State Department
had a need for dirty deeds done dirt cheap, so
to speak, but without US government fingerprints on it. So
the State Department, when they want something done but they
don't want to take responsibility for it, they delegate things

(54:24):
to the intelligence community in the same way that a mafia.
You know, I give the analogy a lot of times
about you know, the sopranos, right, and they see these
henchmen like Furio come in and you know, break the
windows and shake down the you know, the laundromat for
the cash to pay the Soprano family and a lot

(54:45):
of people when they see their house get you know,
their doors get kicked in, their windows get smashed, and
they see Furio do it, it's there's a very common
impulse to say, oh, well, that means Furios the head
of the mob, because he's the one who did this
to me, not realizing that, you know, that's actually sort
of the henchman, the sort of foot soldier layer of

(55:08):
what's going on. And so you know, when someone is
the CIA director and then they get the job as
the head of the State Department, that's a promotion. You know,
When Mike POMPEII was the head of the CIA and
then he became the head of the State Department, that
was him moving up, not him moving down. When Leon
Panetta was the head of the CIA and then became
head of the Defense Department, that's a promotion. That's him

(55:32):
moving up, not moving down. That's why you don't see
it in reverse in people's career trajectories. But even look
at our current CIA for the next month, Bill Burns,
how's Bill Burns, the head of the entire CIA. He
never worked for the CIA a day in his life,
so what's his background. He was there for thirty five
years at the State Department, and the State Department coordinates

(55:55):
all things with the CIA. And so in that memo,
I went over in Hillsdale, the inauguration of organized political warfare.
That's the name of the That's the name of the
memo by George Kennon, who at the time was the
head of the Policy Planning Staff of the State Department,
which coordinates State Department CI activity. They went over all

(56:16):
the reasons why why they wanted to park the CIA
initially at the State Department, but thought that they could
not conceal what the CI was doing from its budget,
and they could not have type it could not have
the fingerprints of the State Department on it. So they'd
simply have an outside, outside spy agency that would simply

(56:36):
coordinate and synchronize and support the State Department's wish list
items that it couldn't do directly itself.

Speaker 6 (56:44):
Can't imagine what Hillary Clinton did as Secretary State. I mean,
nobody talks about uranium one anymore, you know. But it's Russia.
Russia Russia with Donald Trump, and I guess we got
a couple of minutes left in the segment. Marco Rubio,
if he gets confirmed, is certainly going to have his
work cutout for him there.

Speaker 11 (57:01):
Yeah, he absolutely will. You know, Marco Rubio is a
really interesting figure in this I've not met him personally.
He seems like a nice guy. I would love the
opportunity to brief him on some of the things that
he's up against. If folks remember, I think Mark Rubio
was being floated as a potential vice presidential pick for
Trump for a time. There was a lot there were

(57:21):
a lot of rumors that he was going to be
the VP instead of JD. Vance. And I don't know
if he has presidential ambitions in twenty twenty eight or
twenty thirty two, but in some respects he will be
more powerful as the secretary of State than he will
be as that he would be as vice president.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Correct.

Speaker 11 (57:40):
It's very common. It's very common for secretaries of state
to run for president, and we had obviously John Kerry,
Hillary Clinton. Mitt Romney wanted to be the secretary of
State under Donald Trump. After his presidential run in twenty twelve,
John McCain was a very magnificant State Department figure. You

(58:02):
have this, You have these I guess power dynamics around
Mark Rubio's background network that I fear are going to
be in conflict with the Trump agenda. And I'm very
curious to see how Mark Rubio is going to thread
those needles. So, for example, Marco Rubio this year won

(58:24):
the John McCain Award, the annual John mccae.

Speaker 6 (58:30):
That's all you need to say.

Speaker 11 (58:34):
I'll say a little bit more because well, hold on,
hold on, hold on.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
There you go, ladies and gentlemen. Now we're going to
go to break and when we get back, we're gonna
have Mike explain why that's such a nugget.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Also, when we get back, Donna is very on top
and interested in the smith Mont Act.

Speaker 6 (58:58):
Yeah, which you talked about in your uh Hillsdale.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Com We definitely want to let you go there, ladies
and gentlemen. We got Mike Ben's in his Christmas sweater
in the barn with us for the entire hour you're
watching Cowboy Logic. We're gonna get deep into weeds.

Speaker 7 (59:12):
We'll be right back.

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Speaker 6 (01:00:19):
And we're back on Cowboy Logic with the great Mike
Bens the cliffhanger that he left us in. You know,
you talk about Marco Rubio and you kind of have
your questions about how he's going to really play into
the Trump organization. And the first thing I thought of was, really,
I mean, we're talking little Marco here. You don't think
there can be some grudges there. But again, elaborate on

(01:00:40):
what you were saying going into.

Speaker 11 (01:00:42):
John McCain, Brake, Well, I think he's he's sort of
stuck between you know, I say this, sometimes he's stuck
between a blob and a hard place, which is that
Marco Rubio I think has made some legitimate shifts into
the Trump aligned agenda, especially domestically, but there's a split

(01:01:04):
when it comes to the American empire. So Donald Trump
ran on making America great again and on reorienting American
foreign policy around prioritizing the American homeland, which is really
what our blob, our foreign policy establishment was set up
to do in the first place. You know, the reason,
for example, the CIA has this plausible deniability doctrine that

(01:01:28):
we discussed is ultimately to help the American homeland. When
the CIA goes in and overthrows the government of Iran
in the nineteen the nineteen fifties in order to help
acquire and extract the oil resources in Iran, When the
CIA backs al Qaeda groups in Syria in order to

(01:01:50):
take the oil from the oil pipelines, When the CI
works with the narco cartels in South America in order
to help those paramilitary activities unseat governments in Nicaragua, or
in Colombia or in Venezuela. That is all ostensibly so
that Americans have cheaper gas prices, so that Americans have

(01:02:14):
multinational corporations that can export American goods and services to
foreign countries, so that America can extract the resources, so
that Americans can have four oh one ks and pensions,
and middle class lifestyles and affordable homes and affordable healthcare.
But when globalization really started to not have the kind

(01:02:38):
of trickle down economics that I think a lot of
people through the Reagan era assumed would continue indefinitely, when
our own multinational corporations started offshoring all of their manufacturing
so that they were not Americans in the American jobs
that were supposed to be getting more lucrative from conquering

(01:03:00):
the world. When Americans were not using the high skill labor,
when we no longer had that manufacturing miracle, you started
to see companies and institutions that were headquartered here but
that were primarily focused on their outside empire. And so
Mark Rubio has been supported by those networks that are

(01:03:23):
primarily focused on the empire rather than the homeland. So
right before that last break, I was talking about the
John McCain Award that Mark Rubio won just this year
in twenty twenty four from the IRI. The International Republican Institute,
now the International Republican Institute is a really interesting organization.

(01:03:45):
It was created in nineteen eighty three. It was under
mild Reagan It came out of this catastrophe at the
CIA during the nineteen seventies when Jimmy Carter had fired
thirty percent of the CIA in a single day, made
it their budget. The CIA was humiliated because of the
Church Committee hearings and the Democratic Party fallout of their support,

(01:04:10):
and after the Iran hostage situation in nineteen seventy nine,
Reagan wanted the CIA's old powers back but didn't have
the political capital to pull it off. So their compromise
position was the creation of an NGO that would do
what the CIA used to do, and it would have
the it would not have CIA fingerprints on it. And
so in the same way, you have this relationship between

(01:04:32):
the CIA and the State Department where things are you know,
the State Department wants something done, but they don't want
to claim credit for it, so they give it to
the CIA to do and the CI works of the
State Department, but then the government disclaims it. So when
you hear about it in the news, the US government
officially denies it. Like the nord Stream pipeline attack, for example,
we heard, we heard the State Department come out and

(01:04:53):
suggests that Russia may have done that.

Speaker 6 (01:04:55):
Yeah, they're going to blow up their own pipeline.

Speaker 11 (01:04:58):
Well, right, but they knew they knew that. And this
is a really important point, is that when you go
back and you look at that, it's an absolute scandal,
because we now know, according to the New York Times
and according to the German government which caught the Ukrainian
divers who planted the explosives at the bottom of the
Baltic Sea there, that the CIA had at the very

(01:05:19):
least advanced notice of this operation. The way the New
York Times described it is that is that the CIA
told them not to do it after learning of the plan,
but they told a general in the Ukrainian Army and
the message didn't get through to the Ukrainian diving team. So,
no matter how you slice it, at the very least

(01:05:40):
the CIA knew that the Ukrainians did it, or that
the UK the Ukrainian diving team did it. And that's
being very charitable, right to say nothing of the possibility
that they trained them, that they said don't do it.
Wink wink, nudge, nudge ie. If you get caught, we
can't tell you that we did it. But the very
least the CIA knew, well, you know, who the CIA

(01:06:00):
writes the analyst memos for it. There's no way the
CIA knew that in the State Department did There's no
possible conceivable way. Everything the CIA does is on behalf
of either the State Department or the Defense Department. Obviously,
the DoD is all over Ukraine, and every CIA analyst
memo about the North Stream pipeline is going to mention

(01:06:21):
the Ukrainian plans to blow up the pipeline. So for
the State Department to come out to the American people
and tell the American people Russia may have done it,
when the State Department knew full well that it was
done by this Ukrainian diving team, because the CIA was
literally in constant communication with them during the whole plot.

(01:06:41):
But this is how lies get laundered. But coming back
to this Mark Arrubio story, so they had to create
another layer of clause withniability in the nineteen eighties, so
that because the CIA was in so much trouble, because
you had all these scandals where people were being caught
essentially as w two employees of the CIA when they
got busted during operations like Eugene Hasenfuss in Iran Contra

(01:07:04):
and what was. You know, every time someone, you know,
their wallet was found at the crime scene and it
turned out they worked for the CI, was a major scandal.
So they created another layer of plausible no ability called
the National NEMA for Democracy, which has two political branches.
One of them is the DNC wing. It's called the NDI.
The other one's called the IRI, the International Republican Institute.

(01:07:25):
It was created by John McCain in nineteen eighty three.
He ran it for twenty five years until he ran
for president against Barack Obama. But that IRI organization is
a CIA cutout. It was set up expressly at the
request of the CIA. And so this is the group
who is giving you know, Mark Rubio the award. Mark Rubio,

(01:07:49):
folks remember, was also the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
He was the number one guy in Congress overseeing the CIA.
It's also in the House Foreign Affairs Committee overseeing the
State Department. And so there's no doubt in a sense
Marco Rubio is eminently qualified for the position. The issue
is is qualification, the most important qualification in the sense

(01:08:13):
that there are highly qualified people who do very bad things.
And my fear is that Trump's foreign policy when it
comes to places like Ukraine and Russia are going to
are going to run into conflict with the traditional donors
and backers of Marco Rubio, And will will Trump get

(01:08:39):
pushed into foreign policy interventions because of Rubio at the
helm that he might not otherwise want to do? And
this sort of gets the larger question of why why
Rubio was selected for that position. What conversations was Trump
having with his own donors, with his own consortium in Congress?

(01:09:01):
Was this done as a favor to Trump's to Trump's donors,
was it done as a favor to John Thune and
Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski and the whole sort of
never Trump block within the GOP that sides with the
Democrats and that may result in Cash Bettel not getting
confirmed or Pete Hagseeth getting confirmed. Is this sort of

(01:09:24):
a favor in the favor bank? And will that endure
through Trump's presidency? Or will Marco Rubio, if he has
presidential aspirations, faithfully execute the president's agenda because he doesn't
want to inflame Trump's base?

Speaker 6 (01:09:37):
Well, I mean, it's such a tangled web, and the
one thing that so many people are critical of President
Trump for was you know, the people around him first
time around, and he does, I think have a better
case going into his second term. But you know there
are you're not going to like everybody. When we come
back from the break, I want to talk about well,

(01:10:00):
John McCain and in my opinion, the Smith Montdac things
really kind of fell apart from Barack Obama on I
mean it was starting to slide already, but went into
hyperdrive with Barack Obama and the Smith Mondac that essentially
allowed the mainstream media to lie with impunity and people

(01:10:21):
don't realize that that's been going on now since two
thousand and nine, twenty ten or whatever. And also John
McCain with healthcare and the collective gasp when he refused
to kill healthcare. Just a lot of stuff that's gone
down in the last decade or so. Back with Mike
Bens on Cowboy logic right.

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Speaker 17 (01:12:23):
A month after month after month, we have set records
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Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
It's not going to stop, nor should we want it
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Speaker 13 (01:12:36):
Fact, it's one of the things I think we can
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Speaker 17 (01:12:40):
Of under President Trump. The border was secure under President Biden.
There is no boord and Americans are paying the price.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
We have to take over.

Speaker 13 (01:13:18):
We have to be tough, we have to be smart,
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Speaker 10 (01:13:23):
But if we don't do something immediately, our country is God.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
All right, everybody, welcome back to Capitaly Logic. Listen, each
and every one of you that's watching this show right
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(01:14:01):
Here's the thing, ladies and gentlemen. Just by studying and
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the room. But there's a video that's out Mike. See
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Speaker 11 (01:14:30):
Okay. I think where you're going to play is when
I snuck past security at mar a Lago earlier this year.
You know, I was at this little event there and
I think it was a porter wall event, and you know,
everyone was drinking as having a good time. I see that,
you know, the agents are not guarding the stairwell that
leads into the main room. So I'm like, let me,

(01:14:52):
let me see how much trouble I can get in here,
so maybe they won't catch me. So I walk into
the main room and I see there's nobody there. There's
no guards, there's no people. I'm like, okay, the piano
is completely undefended. This is like a once.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
Piano.

Speaker 11 (01:15:08):
So I just turned on the recorder and I just
think I was playing some variation of Gypsy by Fleetwood
mac rolling Luke. I'm alone in the Marloco Grandpa room.

Speaker 12 (01:15:26):
It's just me and the piano.

Speaker 8 (01:15:28):
Let's go.

Speaker 6 (01:16:17):
The l.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
That's yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:17:24):
Security, Yeah, did they come after after that?

Speaker 11 (01:17:29):
It's too fun. They were like they were like we
actually saw you the whole time, but we thought we'd
give you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Well, there you go, ladies and gentlemen, the smartest person
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Speaker 7 (01:17:47):
All right, back to business.

Speaker 6 (01:17:48):
Well, I really want to go back to to me.
The country went to hell in a hand basket in
hyper drive, if you will, with Barack Obama. I mean,
I I think we have Obama Part three right now
with Joe Biden. I'd like to know who has the
nuclear football, which we're going to ask Buzz Patterson later
on actually as far as that is concerned, because he

(01:18:11):
did carry the nuclear football for Bill Clinton. But I
mean the thing is he got rid of the Smith
Mont Act, the healthcare situation, everything, Just comment on that
if you would.

Speaker 11 (01:18:22):
Well, quick note on the healthcare situation, if folks recall
who was it who cast the deciding vote, yeah, you know,
to keep the healthcare monstrosity under Obama. It was John McCain.
It was the Republican Arizona senator, former head of the
CIA wing of the GOP, John McCain, who had ran
against Barack Obama in two thousand and eight, who was

(01:18:45):
the deciding vote that maintained that healthcare But you know
what Obama did in twenty thirteen was he ended the
firewall that had existed since nineteen forty eight when it
comes to psychological operations, information control, influence over the news industry.

(01:19:08):
So we talked earlier about how when the CIA was
set up in nineteen forty seven and it was given
this plausible deniability power in nineteen forty eight, one of
the major enumerated powers of the CIA was to do
black propaganda, i e. Lies, tell tell me lies, tell

(01:19:29):
me sweet little lies. If we're continuing, it would mac
thing here, which is that the CI is not just
a spy agency. They are licensed to lie. They are
licensed to lie to the world because we spread rumors,
We influence and sometimes even outright control news organizations that

(01:19:50):
produce false news stories in foreign countries designed to influence
the course of events in a way favorable to the
United States. So, for example, if there's a country that
we want to go to war with another country, we
will print false news stories accusing that other country of
attacking that country or of doing you know, atrocities or sabotage,

(01:20:14):
and the whole thing will be a lie. But the
CIA is licensed to lie, it's licensed to work with
those media companies to produce those lies, to distribute them,
because it's supposed to be in the US citizen's interest
if that is an articulated foreign policy goal of the
State Department to influence that country a certain way. It's

(01:20:36):
again supposed to get us cheaper gas, it's supposed to
get us more affordable healthcare, affordable homes, you know, the
whole you know, sort of positive benefits of being in
the homeland of the country with the largest empire on Earth.
But so they were allowed to lie to the outside world.
That was set up in nineteen forty eight through something
called the smith Mont Act, which which was you know,

(01:20:58):
the same year that the plausible deniability doctrine was produced,
was agreed on. And so it's not an accident that
that happened the same year as they were creating these
cloak and dagger department of dirty tricks at CIA and
at State. They wanted a firewall to protect the American

(01:21:20):
people from the lies of the spy agencies, and so
that existed from nineteen forty eight until twenty thirteen, really
right before you know, this is the second term of
the Obama administration, right before Trump became president. So this
is still a very new thing that we're living in.
It's only a decade old that the Smith Month Protection

(01:21:43):
has been destroyed. But what they did is they tucked
it through in the NDAA, which is which is almost
it's always approved because it's a sort of military spending
high priority. Ever gets folded into the NDA is very
difficult to unpluck. And so they put this this something
which was a you know, this was passed by Congress,

(01:22:03):
the Smith Month Act, and they put it essentially in
a budget addendum. They called it the Smith Modernization. I
think they did that as a way to try to
minimize public perception of how significant it was.

Speaker 6 (01:22:18):
Mike, we only got like thirty seconds. We only got
like thirty seconds in this. But to your point, it
was slid in there, and I think most laws no idea.
And now we've had, you know, close to a decade
of complete lies, and the world, in my opinion, is
at this point, is seeing that, well, maybe the US

(01:22:38):
government isn't the great person or the great country that
so many people saw it as so we'll come back
right after the break with more with Mike Ben's right
after this.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Little so.

Speaker 6 (01:23:55):
So. Hi.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
My name is Jeff mckella, retired Special Forces, Third Group,
three ninety four and three ninety six.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
I'm being held against my will.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
Thank you, brother, Jeff mckella coming to you guys. That
was like two years ago. He was coming to you
from within the DC Gulag. Shout out to you, guys.
I'm being held as a little hostage.

Speaker 6 (01:24:32):
He still is yep, and he still is yours untried.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
And we are counting the days. Mike Ben's come back
in here with us, my friend. Uh we first of all,
we appreciate the amount of time you've given us today.
To have you on here for an entire hours is
a is a pleasure. It's an educational experience, and it's
an honor.

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:24:50):
And Mike, I do follow you. Like I say at
Mike Bens cyber folks, I suggest you do the same
what you've come up with lately and what you've said,
which is you huge. And again it goes back to
Barack Obama. Democracy always talks about democracy, and I scream
at the TV, we have republic we don't have a democracy.
But democracy is a code word for color revolution, and

(01:25:12):
that's huge. And what you've said, and Barack Obama also said,
isis is the JV team. What you've sort of talked
about and with great facts, is that MAGA has now
become the target. MAGA has become the ISIS of this government.
The government has turned on the American people.

Speaker 11 (01:25:36):
Yeah, if anyone goes to Google dot com and puts
in MAGA and isis right next to each other, and
run a Boolean search for you before twenty twenty three
or before twenty twenty two, you'll see that this is
openly discussed by the intelligence community by John Brennan, by
James Clapper. In fact, our DHS, even which was set

(01:25:57):
up initially in the response to alcohol and nine to
eleven DHS, actually set up a domestic intelligence surveillance capacity.
They put John Brennan and James Clapper, who had declared
MAGA the new ISIS, at the helm of this. In
their documents, which were obtained by Stephen Miller's America First Legal,

(01:26:19):
they explicitly targeted their main target for setting this up
was supporters of Donald Trump, and their logic is that
MAGA is an insurgent group that it is, it's an
effectively a kind of insurgency that has a will to power,

(01:26:39):
and so our counter insurgency forces, within the military, within
the State department, within the intelligence community can all be
deployed to contain the political threat of the insurgent MAGA
group in the same way that in Afghanistan they were
deployed to stop the political rise of the Taliban or
in you know, it's actually the situation now, ironically in Syria,

(01:27:02):
because the isis adjacent al Qaeda. Al Qaeda groups have
been backed by the US intelligence community. Ironically, you know,
there's currently as we now speak, there is a US
embassy in Syria tweet calling for a ten million dollar
bounty on Mohammed Aljelani's head. Mohammed Algelani is now the

(01:27:22):
de facto leader of Syria. He was the one who
led the rebel forces. And you know, the Trump wanted
to eliminate al Qaeda, And I think that's what's behind
what's happening in Syria right now is they know that
if they didn't deploy all their firepower to topple that government,
Trump would not have authorized it. But now it's now
it's too late. But you know on the on the

(01:27:44):
January sixth front, there's what we can we can get
into that. I don't know if you have a more targets.

Speaker 6 (01:27:50):
Well, I'm thinking Cash Pagel. You know he's gonna has
actually said that he knows what was going on. Uh,
you know, to plan January six happened months in advance,
and we have some jan sixers tried, they tried.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
You guys just saw him and you see him almost
every week on the show. And that's Jeff mccallop.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Jeff mccallop is currently sitting in a medical treatment facility
in Dallas, Texas, pre trial attention going on four years
twenty two years Special Forces Army Ranger. After that he
was a contractor for the CIA. On January sixth, he
had ts clearance with the CIA. What he spent his

(01:28:32):
time doing in the military, and quite frankly, probably during
his days with the CIA, were color revolution in the
Middle East, in Europe, in North Africa, and when he
was on the Lower West Terrace on January sixth, he
has said in no uncertain terms that he saw what

(01:28:54):
he had been trained to do taking place in foreign countries.
He saw it taking place at the Capitol on January sixth.
Do you want to expand on that at all? Probably,
never having spoken to Jeff McCallum.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
Oh.

Speaker 11 (01:29:07):
Absolutely. There's two start dates, you know, for how far
this goes back. I mean you can go back to
June twenty twenty, you know, about seven months before January sixth,
when the Transition Integrity Project plan came up with a plan.
This actually leaked to the Boston Herald I think they're
the Boston Globe. They came up with a plan to

(01:29:28):
stop what they called a clear Trump win in the
event that Trump won the Electoral College, and how they
would how they would make sure that Trump still was
not inaugurated even if he won the presidency. And in
that plan they went over how to their plan to
induce a breakdown on January sixth to stop the authorization

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of the votes there. Now, the Transition Integrity Project was
run at the head of it by Rosa Brooks, who
was the Under Secretary of Defense for for Barack Obama,
so high ranking Pentagon official who had a CIA blue
edge according to chapter one of her own book, So
you had a high ranking DoD CIA person running a

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network of folks which spanned the entire military intelligence statecraft orbit.
You can look into the Transition Integrity Project on my
timeline at Mike ben Cyber. You'll see hundreds of posts
and source documents documenting all of this, and so we
know there was already a long rage plan to potentially

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induce a breakdown. On January sixth, at the time, they
were contemplating using Black Lives Matter protesters. They talked about
how they needed to deploy they need to pump up
in finance BLM in order to serve as a sort
of color revolutionary street muscle that could shut down transportation,
that could create this sort of pro democracy in premature

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to put on the on the coup movement. But then
on November ninth, just a few days after the twenty
twenty election, there was a meeting between Mark Milly, the
head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Gina Haspell,
the head of the CIA, and the New York Times
report of this. What they said that that conversation went
over was that Mark Milly and Gina Haspell agreed that

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there was that a right wing coup was afoot and
something need to be done to stop it. Now, when
the head of the Joint chiefs of Staff of the
military and the head of the CIA say that they
suspect a coup is underway, they don't just go back
to their desks with their sitting on their thumbs and
just go lotty dotty dot Okay, Pribaly shouldn't do anything

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about it. No, what they do is they set in
motion their counter intelligence capacities to stop it. And this
is what they were talking about in June twenty twenty,
is that we need a counter coup capacity to stop
a coup. But then what happens if there's no coup?
What happens if it's organic. Well, then now you have
a coup to stop the non coup. But you've got

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your sort of plausible deniability around it. And and this
is what you saw. The military fingerprints all over January
sixth are absolutely extraordinary.

Speaker 6 (01:32:10):
At one minute, so one minute, yeah, got one minute.
I'm sorry, keep going.

Speaker 11 (01:32:18):
There's a lot here and now there's just a lot here.
But you know I always say that, Now, remember the
CIA supports either the State Department or the DoD. That's
all they do. They're plausibly, plausibly deniable support for the
State Department National Interest or for the DoD on National security.
And I always say that as time goes by, we
will see more and more that the January sixth story

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points in a straight line to Mark Millie uh and
that the military side of this, and you have these
CIA elements because of the plausibly deniable elements of it.
But you had you had the military folks at the
at the front lines of the initial perimeter breach. You
had the meetups in North Carolina to transport all the

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weapons right outside of Fort Bragg, which is which is
the psychological operation center of the DoD. You have these
you know, you have the pipe bomber's eyes being blurred
out on the videotapes, so he's not a felon. You
still can't get his eyes because if he was in
a military you know what much.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
I think he's for I think he's he or she
is former military.

Speaker 6 (01:33:21):
What you just proved though, the bottom line is all
these people who are so against Donald Trump are the
ones at this point who should be lawyering up because
they are the ones that have them. It's obvious it
was a FED surrection. Counter terrorism means counter populism.

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