March 8, 2025 • 96 mins
Cowboy Logic | Show Date: March 8, 2025 | J6 Subject Matter Experts | Daniel Caldwell, USMC Veteran and Jeffrey McKellop, US ARMY Special Forces (retired)
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
The door.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
An e to get and.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Sing again, and.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Welcome to Cowboy Logic.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Everyone.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
I'm Donna Fidusha, He's Don Newan. And where's the pencil?
Speaker 5 (01:14):
I'm looking right here.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
There's the pencil, Okay, the number two pencil. This week's
show is going to be different than any other show,
whether it be Cowboy Logic or any show you're going
to see network on a major network, because we are
going to give the voice to those who had no
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voice for the last four years, namely two J six
ers that are subject matter experts.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
That's right, for the past three and a half plus years.
As you all know, because we've talked about this repeatedly.
J six ers would give anything, especially when they were
locked up. They would give anything to be able to
sit down in front of Congress, be sworn in and
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testify under oath to what they know. Now, what's going
to be interesting about this show and it is very
unique because quite honestly, ladies and gentlemen, this is the
last segment that you're going to see Donna and I.
What's unique about this show that Donna was speaking about
with regard to network television is that we are actually
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going to turn our show over to Jeff McKellop and
Dan Caldwell to j Sixers, and it's not going to
be an interview because Donna and I are not going
to be leading the show, asking questions, keeping these guys
in their lane and doing the whole nine yards. They
will become the hosts of the show. And nobody's done this.
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These guys have asked for three plus years, four years,
once they started getting their evidence, they ask to testify
in front of Congress because unlike any of the rest
of us, they actually had access to the forty four
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thousand hours, that's forty seven hours, however many it is,
they actually had access to it.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah, I didn't realize that obviously because their defendants they
did have evidence dot com access, but that wasn't until
at least almost a year into their incarceration. So obviously,
right off the bat the government is withholding evidence.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Well, they finally turned it over to them when they
realized they were violating their constitutional rights.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
None of them got bail, well very few, and they're
totally incarcerated awaiting trial because they're flight wrists and things,
just dumb excuses. But the bottom line is they had
access to this forty four plus thousd hours. But then
it's just dumped on them. So what are you going
to do? Pay lawyer three hundred dollars an hour to
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muddle through.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
All of this?
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Well, many of them paid lawyers three hundred dollars an
hour to do absolutely nothing.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Yep, bankrupted them.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
So these guys sat in C two B the DC
Patriot Pod, a hell hole, and what did they do?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
They watched footage.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
None of these guys had ever had to watch this
kind of footage before. They had no idea what they
were doing. I mean, you got to understand that they're
receiving thousands and thousands of pages of information BODYCM numbers, durations,
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along with PDF files and things like that.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
What do they do with it?
Speaker 6 (04:57):
So they start laying in their cells there in their bunks,
and they start watching it, and then they start talking
to each other and they start comparing notes. And you're
gonna see what I'm talking about when Dan Caldwell and
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Jeff Mcallop sit right here and start explaining everything that
they know about this footage. Now, in what an hour
and forty five minutes worth of content time, I can
explain mice nuts to you.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
But it's a.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
It's a start, but what you're gonna see is that
they know there.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And you're gonna bleep that out.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
However, the bottom line and the bigger picture is it
took so many hours, years in fact, to show that
the whole narrative of the government was basically the opposite
of what they claim, which has happened in so many
different things that we've seen, the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping, the
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Russia Russia Russia hoax, and on and on and on.
That's the same exact thing that happened in January sixth.
But you've got a nation that's been fed a line
of bs now for four years, thinking that insurrection, insurrection, insurrection,
and yet a lot of times you say to somebody, okay,
who's been charged with insurrection, They're like, well, I don't know,
because nobody has, including President Trump. But the bottom line
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is also is that President Trump got to unfortunately apparently
be on the receiving end of all this as well,
including raids by the FBI, And it's so wrong on
so many levels that we can just only hope that
Cash Betel and now Dan Bongino and Pam Bondi are
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going to get to the bottom of this, but we
have been saying for years all they want to do
is testify before Congress under oath. I can't tell you
how many times we had Jeff McKellop on the phone
during some interviews where he would go, why is nobody listening?
And you could feel the frustration, And as far as
you our audience is concerned, you feel that frustration as
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well because you have grown you realize what has really happened,
and the story has to get out there, and it's
going to.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
What do you need to do after we go to
break and then when Dan and Jeff come on the
air in our place, the first thing that I would
suggest is that you get out something to write with
and something to write on so that you can take notes.
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I think it's important for you guys to know that
the next seven segments of Cowboy Logic.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Are not scripted. We thought about how do we take two.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Guys that have never done a television show before and
stick them in the studio without a complete train wreck.
And we talked about it for a couple of days
and we very quickly found out the best way to
do it is let them be them. They're going to
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have a stack of Dan's got a stack of notes,
you know, a foot high, shoved into Manila envelopes. They
don't refer to any of their notes. That's something extremely
important for you guys to understand and remember. They are
not working off of notes.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Well, they're subject matter experts. They've had four years to
stew over this whole thing, and they know in their
heart and in their brain what they saw, and it
wasn't what the government said they saw. They saw murders
of Ashley Babbitt. Well they did see him, but we
have seen video of murders of Ashley Babbitt and Roseanne
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Boilin and two other gentlemen who had heart attacks, possibly
due to being hit by rubber bullets. Joshua Black got
his cheek blown out, and he went to prison like
the next day. How is he getting thrown in prison
when he's attacked? Look up Color Revolution. I always keep
it handy. The Color Revolution often nonviolent protests, but not
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all the time, accompanying attempted or successful changes in government
and society, especially after an election.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
How about that?
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Or to change one change the direction of one state department? CIA,
that's their deal.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, Okay, usaid. That's what they do to change governments
around the world. They tried to do it here.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
All right, we're going to go to break in about
two minutes. You then have three minutes on a commercial
break to get back in front of your TV with
a notepad and a pen or a pencil, and you
need to start taking notes because this will be like
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going to a college course, a master's degree in January sixth,
and they're going to pack it into an hour and
forty five minutes. And then what do you do? Then
you start reaching out to your congress people, your senators,
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anybody that you can in the Trump administration, and you
figure out a way to get these two guys flown
to DC first class this time and not on con
air to meet with Cash Fattel, Pam Bondi, Representative Louderman,
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Dan Bongino, not their aids, not their assistance, the real deal.
We're going to send you the real deal. The real
deal needs to show up for the conversation that.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Needs to be had with these two.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Gentlemen, Dar Caldwell, Dan Caldwell, Oh yeah, share the living
daylights out of this, Dan Caldwell, United States Marine Jeff
mcallup US Army Special Forces. Doesn't get any better than that.
Doesn't get any better than that. Ladies and gentlemen, get
ready to be educated by the subject matter experts of
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January seventh story.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Hello everybody, Welcome back to Cowboy Logic. My name is
Daniel Caldwell and I'm a United States Marine.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
My name is Jeff McKellop, retired US Army Special Forces,
and we are here to talk to.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
You today about January six and we have been.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
No you know, yes, it's been two years since we've
ate a cupcake together.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
It has been man, we had a celibratory cupcake, man,
right before you left. We were saving that thing for
about three months because they were hard to get a
hold of.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
It's it's good to see bro.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Too, Man, it's good.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
It is man. Dan and I were bros. We got
together quite a bit and C two B. We shared
a lot of information with January sixth about our friends
and family and things like that. And we actually, just
like in any POW situation, you grow attached to another
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inmate or a prisoner of war and you maintained the
levity and always the site beyond sight of getting out
of there, and we helped each other get through a
lot of hard times.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
A lot of hard times, man. I just you know,
we've always said that when we came back to this,
that we would always find a way to get back together.
And this is it. And what better way to do
this than for us to get together and explain to
you guys what we have been begging for for four years,
which is to be heard and to speak the truth
about what we saw. And in order to do that,
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we have to talk about the forty six thousand hours
of video, all right, and how we came about that
and the challenges we faced getting to that, having it,
and then dealing with it at the back end. So
just real quick, this is kind of what happens when
you get access to a bunch of videos and you
need to start preparing for your case. This is all
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notes forse case notes and video notes now.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
B vised is that Dan and I when we got
together in the begin we both started sharing notes and
walking down Well, let's backtrack a little bit and talk
about how we came across this information and then we'll
start going into our discovery. But before this, I want
to reiterate, We've been waiting four years to tell you
people exactly what happened. I have been called trader, terrorist, insurrectionist, communist.
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All these names are racial slurs. Because of the information
that we knew and we were trying to get it out.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Our attorneys would not look at.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Any of it, and they said, oh, just take the
plea deal, just take the plea deal, just.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Be done with it.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
Well, we're done with it, and we're done with them,
and now it's time for the truth, and we're going
to back this truth up with video.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
We would not be here without the hard work of
everybody's out there support us, and the advocates for pardons,
and of course God and Donald Trump forgetting us here.
So I do want to say that thank you. We
wouldn't be here in this capacity without that.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Thank all of you for supporting me and my family.
My children are so thankful, even though they can't be here.
It brings tears to my eyes.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
The support that came out and the funding for those
attorneys that failed us. We put fourth money out of
good faith and they failed.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
So here we go.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I guess let's kind of talk about how how you
got to DC jail all right, you know my experiences.
I was picked up from work at four thirty in
the morning. It was the last time I saw my
family for four years. So you shuffled around. In my case,
I came from Texas. You were kind of close to Virginia, right,
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so yeah, kind of close.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Here, so mil in Virginia.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I think I hit Collin County Jail. Then I went
to Fanning County Jail, and then I went to Grady
County Jail. Then I went on conn Air. We landed
in Harrisburg and ended up in the DC Jail and
I got there March twenty fifth, and you were already
there when I got there.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Yes, I was. As soon as I saw my face
on the video.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
I got fired from my job, lost my security clearance,
all my money, my home, everything. FBI told me to
stay at my house and then when they called me.
I was in jail around March thirteenth, in the DC
goolog where Dan and I met each other. We were in
solitary confinement for about three months, two three months, just one.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Hour out and you had a choice.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
You either shower, get on the phone, or get on
the kiosk and order some food. And I didn't have
any money for food, so I didn't get any so
my obstions were down to two.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
So like when you talk about solitary confinement, when we
first got there, we were in quarantine pot which is
C two A and it was twenty three to one.
But we were in solitary confinement for two years because
we were housed in our own cells for multiple hours,
at least nineteen hours a day. Whenever they the best.
Whenever I left, it was nineteen in a five out.
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That was the that was the rules and conditions. But
leading up to that, it was solitary confinement for two
years because you know, you were in yourself for nineteen
to twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
There were about five books to pass around too, and
needless to say, they were DC oriented.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
As you talk about this, Jeffy, and we're sitting here
and we talk about all that time. During that time,
you know, the courts, that process keeps going on. So
you're talking about speedy rights trial. You're talking about your
rights to speedy right or speedy trial, and so we
didn't we let's talk about when we actually started getting discovery.
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You start having to go through status hearings and every
time you're like, oh, I gotta wave my right to
speedy trial because you don't have discovery. You know, let's
talk about how we end up getting this discovery and
how we got access to this. It wasn't just because
they were going to be nice to do it. We
got access to this evidence dot Com action on database
that had every Capitol video and everybody warned camera for
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every police department that pated in. It was on there.
And it didn't happen until probably eleven months in. You know,
we were just about to hit twenty twenty two and
we got access to evidence dot Com. And that was
because they knew that. We kept hearing bond hearings and
we kept on bringing up in status hearings that this
was unconstitutional or our constitutional right to be violated. Fourth
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Amendment for right speedy trial, and you're having to always
delay and delay status seris status sery status hearing because
there's no discovery. You want to fight your trial. We
all wanted to hear. We knew what happened wasn't what
they're saying. If I can just prove it and show
it to them, I could be okay, and I'll go
to trial and feel comfortable with that. Well, they knew
if they let that out that it was going to
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be bad.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Right.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
The only information that we had was our indictment and
whatever information the prosecution had passed through the attorneys.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
And they gave it to us.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
And then one day they gave us this clear tablet
that you can look up case law and watch play
little video games and things like that on. And then
that's when we figured out about, like you said, about
eleven or twelve months later, the evidence dot Com, And
that was just by hearsaying. We're like, we were telling
our attorneys about it. We're like, hey, man, look at
this information.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
They're like, no, no, no, no, no no, I've seen some
video that's not good.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
And then then Dan and I got together and we're like, hey,
look at this, this, this and this, and we started
going down the rabbit hole and there were so many
how many pages There were like twenty three pages and
each page had about twenty names on this on one page.
And then you were able to watch, I mean, anybody
who uploaded information on this website you could watch. We
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were watching vehicle pullovers, store robberies, all kinds of anything
that was on a body cam they didn't even have
to do with. January sixth was on this website and
they opened it up to us and I was like, oh,
somebody made a mistake.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
When they opened that up. They just said okay, Well,
they're like because everybody's like, look, you got to let
these guys go. You're keeping them here on pre trot
and finement. There's at a point where it comes to
The judges knew that it's coming to the point to
where they weren't going to be able to stand on
this is an insurrection because there are constitution rights to
be violated. So they had to force the prosecution and
the government to give us this access right. And when
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they did, we didn't know what we had. And you know,
there's a whole learning curve to understand exactly how to
use this thing because it is vast. Like I said,
there's twenty three hundred pages of one hundred per page,
and some of them were three four eight hour body
cam videos.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
So multiple videos with one individual.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Just wanted to get the understanding of what this little
portal looked like. It was a massive, massive and it
was you know, so.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Just we we spent night.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
How did you first find the first officer to go
look at.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
So I looked up, are we going to use names?
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Well, let's just say you got.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
It, okay.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
So I took the officer that was directly involved with yes,
and we started at the edge of the rabbit hole,
and I watched his body cam footage and then I
was like, oh my god. I was really scared at first,
and I was like I didn't know what to do,
and we knew what to say, and then all of
a sudden, I watched another officer walk right by him,
wrote down that name, and then I watched his body
cam footage, and then we just started seeing. And then
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Dan and I got together once again and we're like, hey,
did you notice this? And I looked at that, and
I saw this and this did you see? Oh yeah,
did you see that? We better write these things down
and start talking about it with each other.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
So it came to the points where you have to
start building tools, you know, because it's so vast that
you couldn't do it just writing stuff down. You had
to be able to go. So, like you understand, when
you open this thing up, there was officer names. It
was just to listen names and the time the camera started, right,
and you're like, okay, well, you had to associate a
lot of the videos that we had that came to
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us from our lawyers was just a video and it
was just a body cam number. So you had x
sixty thirty nine b LA, Right, Okay, well who is
this guy? It doesn't show that anywhere on this database.
So you actually had to go through each video and
write the officer's name of the video and his body
cam number and make a database that way. You knew
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that between eleven o'clock in the morning til about two
forty five in the afternoon, I have fourteen pages of
front and back of officers names and body cams. And
that made it a lot easier for us to go
and say. Jeff's like, hey, man, you know who officer
backshow is. I'm like, yeah, hold on a second, and
I pull out this list and next thing you know,
it's like backshaws camera, what's the camera number?
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Hey, before we go down that rabbit hole, let's uh
take a quick break.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Yeah, we'll take a quick break and stuff.
Speaker 7 (23:35):
I apologize, yeah, and then we'll we could show him
some more paperwork and stuff and we'll go down there
and we'll do that.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Do that?
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Come right back. Thank you very much. Welcome back everybody.
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My name is Jeff McKillop.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Daniel right, we'd like to thank you and thank the
host of this unprecedented national media outlet of Cowboy Logic
to allow us to come in here and actually take
over and host the show and get our meaning out,
our word out that we have been trying to tell
for the last four years. We are begging and pleading
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to get before Congress, but we have not allowed to
set that stage just yet. But our time is coming.
So Dan and I are here today and we're going
to finish this up.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
And so let's go back to where we've were, like
if we're kind of building up notes and how we
kind of started building up this notes and the stacks
and how are you utilizing evidence dot Com? And you know,
as we start building the notes, you start noticing, you
start talking to other people because we all had access
to the same thing, right, So it's funny you go
out there and like Ryan Nichols come up next to Hey,
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did you see this video? You should look at this.
It was over in your area from what you were explaining.
So you go down that rabbit hole and then he's
seen the same thing that I saw. And then there
was one point where we were talking personally and it
was like, Jeff, what happened to you when they hit
my girl downstairs with this? And I responded, you know,
because they were beating up a woman. I'm like, man,
I did the same thing.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Where was that right?
Speaker 1 (25:33):
And I showed my video because I kind of found
my video and he're like, well, that was at this time.
Mine was fifteen minutes later, and it's right here, literally
ten feet away from where I was at fifteen minutes later.
Here is the same officers, same m over. The officers
and how they're treating the crowd. Happened to you and
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the lady that was involved in your incident?
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Right?
Speaker 7 (25:56):
It was completely unbelievable, But we were all on the
West Terrace and we started to figure out within the videos,
almost everybody in C two B, cell Block two Bravo,
we were in the same area all at once, like
they took a snapshot and just went after everybody that
wasn't Antifa or BLM or an undercover agent. And that's
when we started mixing and matching, and we got with
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other guys that were going down the same road that
were with the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys and
Kim find out there were about six of us that
actually came together and started building the matrix, as it
was called, of the videos that.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
We were watching.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
So we went back and started studying our cases and
we started looking at what was going on, and then
we matched it up with the video and what the
imperfections that we were finding in the video. You know,
the how and the what of what we did and
what they did. Now you need to understand the why
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I did things go down the way they did. You
have to watch the before, during, and the after product
of the action that took place. And that's when it
was just it started opening up to us and we
started looking at it into a military perspective.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
You know, it came down to whenever you're starting to
look at it that way. It came down with the
actual prosecution brought up in a couple of the status
hearings was they had given us all access to this
database is evidence dot com and they actually labeled it
these guys are in c TWOB have created a college
of collusion because we were seeing things like you were
saying that were within our case but you can only
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search so much. Your case is based off this timeframe
of a window that you did this, and this is
what they're coming after you for. But once you've kind
of addressed your case and you've gotten all the information
that pertains to you and doing all the searches for
the hour you were there, whatever you're finding yourself. It
comes down to is like, Okay, well I'm now going
to go help Jeff Year. I'm not gonna go see
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if because I remember seeing Padilla. I took a picture
in Padia get pushed downstairs. I was right there and
let me go and love this thing. Next you know,
I'm down a rabbit hole of somebody else's case. Because
of the stories were the same. It was the cops
beat up on somebody. I responded, and the people that
we were dealing with and see to be that we
all worked with seemed to be veterans, and we all
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had that initial instinct to just be like, go, something happened.
This is not right. This is what I was training.
You know, just this this, this is not right. And
you responded to it, and it was what you're starting
to see. You start seeing a vast picture of not
just the area you're in, but the whole line, the
whole Lower West Terrace. And that's what it comes down to,
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Jeff when we talked about I've never had training in
this stuff. You know, you've had training and in this
kind of stuff. So you started seeing things in the
crowd based off how you have trained before and what
you were trained to.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Look for, right, and then you started to see the formation.
And like I've always like we've always said together, is
that you never forget the training. You have been trained
in certain things in the military, and that thing comes
to pass later on. Never ever forget your training. And
we started seeing the imperfections and the similarities within the
force that was aggressing against the civilians, and we were
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watching their body postures and why they were doing the
things they were doing. But they were being triggered for
no reason whatsoever and forcing violence upon innocent civilians.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
I e.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
The woman that was in front of me when Glenn
Lambardini beat that woman three separate times, throwing her through
the air, her small body, an elderly woman. I AH
and Lieutenant Petera moments before that, sprayed her directly. It
was like two feet away with mace and the woman
was blind and after yeah, and then they hit her
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three separate times. After they propped her back up, They're like,
what are you doing? And that was when it triggered
the crowd. And I wasn't the only one that went forward.
There were about fifteen other people that stepped into the mix.
And that was around two twenty twenty five, right before
the entire West Terrace collapsed due to Captain Augustine's actions
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with the CS grenade and the facilitation of lack of instruction.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
It's funny how it goes down that other road.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
It's funny how you say lieutenant and captain or whatever.
It's the officers. I think it's very important to understand
that J six had started. Let me get this why
you're in You're starting to see things. You're like, man,
this isn't right. Where are the warnings? Why are they
not telling people to disperse? You know, you start understanding
that where there's no de escalation. And I've said it before,
(30:44):
is like these officers that have perpetrated these on the
crowd when they first got there. You had Glover, you
had Harrington, you had too, you had Hawkins, and you
had Bagshaw. All of them had stowed up and the
first thing they did when they hit the deck was
attack the crowd.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
Tao Tindall, Cresmin Horros, Bagshaw, Augustine Edwards, Riley Lambardini, Smiley, Williams,
and Smith Unfolds the most heinous officers out there of
teams fifty four, sixty four and seventy four of the MPD.
This is the why you need to know why, the actions,
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the how and the what took place.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
This is key evidence.
Speaker 7 (31:29):
And just like you just said, I'm going to caveat
on that, you have to watch them when they come
up and take up a position. Let's start with the
Capitol Police and their posture when we first got there,
and then when I was one of two hundred and
fifty on the southwest side of the terroris to come
up there, I didn't touch a single thing. There were
people freaking out, but there were only four Capitol Police
(31:51):
standing there. And once the crowd got up to about
twenty five ish, they're like, they whispered into the mic,
they're coming. They all four took around and ran left
the bicycle racks, left their batons, left everything there and
ran away. And we when we made up our made
our way up to the south, the south side of
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the western terrace. There was a natural rock wall brick
wall there with two entrances into the side where you
go up to do the inauguration, and then you have
the scaffolding. There were no police officers there. I take
that back. There were about ten maybe, and they were
still walking, not running, walking down the steps underneath the scaffold.
(32:35):
When people were running up, they got so far up
to the steps that they finally started pushing them back.
Remember that part you want to jump in at any time.
Bro the uh they pushed them all the way back
and this is this is the why they pushed them
all the way back to the edge of the steps
(32:55):
and stopped. There was a natural civilian uh uh, black
railing there that was about waist high.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
That was a natural barrier.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
Why they did not push them all the way off
the steps while they still had the upper hand. Somebody
told them to stop. Somebody told them not to do anything.
And I'm gonna mention some names of the people that
were in the control tower. Get ready, because you're about
to hear yourself.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Let's let's let's save that for a little bit. Let's
come back to coffee. So you know, we started looking
at the college inclusion. We start working together and everybody's
just started like, you know, you're starting to build a case,
all right. So once you start seeing things, you start
identifying things in the crowds, things the cops are doing,
and they're triggering people, you know, so like you're saying,
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they triggered people. So whenever you have the the officers
and then when you're watching these videos and the officers
that first show up, you were a sergeant. If if
one of your troops and you're training somebody and they
see you do a certain thing, they're gonna imulate what
you do, right, So if you were escalating the line officer,
thing exactly didn't happen. What they did it was like
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they saw the incident. Commander Glover, they saw Captain Harrington,
they saw Lieutenant Hawkins, they saw Sergeant Towell. All four
of those people eds all come down and the first
thing they did was attack the crowd with pepper spray
and mass spray. And one guy actually laughed at the
guy he said, ha ha ha, he sprayed. Harry Jon
had the forty six. He sprays he gets the back
(34:26):
of the Capitol Police guy side of his face. He's like, whoa.
He looks back and he sees the cop and he laughs.
He goes spray him again, and next you know, Harry
just sitting there's just smiles and chuckles and just sprays
another guy for no reason.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Towel's running around just days people. But hey, man.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
I got two c ecms. Look at me, man, this
is cool. Hey, how many ecms did you get today?
Like he's hanging out at a gas and sip on
a Friday night talk talking about chicks. Man, It's just
if I was a private on the line and I
had a certain situation and I looked to the mine
left and right, and I see my captain or my
team sergeant in the mix. I'm gonna go harder. And
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it spread just like wildfire over the tops of the trees.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Man.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
And it was game on after that until they lost
complete control of everything. And then you had officers acting
independently of each other. So we'll get we'll get into
that more.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Here's kind of comeback from break. But kind of the
end this thing on this segment is, you know, we've
talked about watching the videos and the College of Collusion,
and it's important kind of remember that because when we
come back, we're gonna talk about identifying the videos a
little bit more and what we.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
Actually identified under undercover agents in the crowd crisis actors, instigators, agitators,
and motivators.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
All right, never forget the training. Thank you very much.
See you're gonna take a break.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Thank you. We'll grab that. Hello, everybody's day in Caldboro. Kevin,
(36:19):
Welcome back to Cowboy Lodgic. You know, I just want
to take another moment to express the gratitude for us
being here today and just the sheer understanding of how
important this is that you know, Calboy Locker hosts Donna
and Donna have given us this opportunity. They have helped
us travel across the country, me from Texas, you from California,
and then from Colorado here to have this opportunity to
(36:41):
speak to you, giving up their seats as hosts for
this show for this one, you know, opportunity to get
what we want to say out and that we felt
it was important. So I want to give thanks to
you guys. This would not happen on any other show,
I think, than in any kind of part of any
any nationally broadcast media show. So thank you, thank you,
(37:04):
thank you, and I want to throw it back to Jeff. Jeff,
we're kind of still we were talking about Evans dot
Com college and collusion, and let's talk about what happened
after we were so successful in coming up with information
and start siminating to our lawyers. In the status series
that we had had started to change. You know, more
bond hearings were coming up because of stuff we were finding.
(37:27):
It's like, look, this is what really happened. This is
what they've been saying is not true. This is what's happened.
So that was the College of Collusion and building this
little database we've we had, and let's talk about what happened.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
So in Serier School Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape se R.
Serier School, they teach you to get your information out,
let people know that you're still alive. We were going
through a pretty rough time to say the least, but
it was Pow level three Pow camp Man. He was
(38:00):
unbelievd by this, the beating. So but they teach you
get your information out by whatever means available, let people
know that you're still alive and that why you were there.
So when we stumbled across just vast amounts of information.
It was unbelievable. When we were trying to tell our
attorneys about it, I started writing these things down and
(38:21):
sending them out into letters to anybody that would listen
to me, because my attorneys weren't. And the next thing
I know it, here come the FBI. And in all
the years of that facility since probably like nineteen forty
nineteen fifty, all the decades that facility has been there,
they'd never seen the FBI come in and raid somebody's sell.
(38:42):
They pulled me out of my cell, handcuffed me to
the railing like a dog and a search and took
anything that looked like a piece of paper had any
writing on it whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
You know, it was kind of real quick to say.
It was kind of weird because the people that were
out before this had happened were out on their normal
schedule time, and it was odd that they were kind
of all kind of putting their cells before their time
was up. So I didn't really till back in until
hindsight twenty twenty that that whole incident that something was
about to happen.
Speaker 7 (39:11):
Right, they corral you up and put the dogs back
in the pins before they come and take one out
because they don't want any dog fighting going on.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
But the point of the matter.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
Is is that the FBI came, which was an unprecedented event,
never seen before by any of the staff, because they
told me about it. After it was all over with,
pulled me out, handcuffed me, took everything I had. Shortly
after that, they shut the telephone off, intercepted all my
incoming and outgoing mail, and cut every piece of communication
(39:43):
off that I had, took my tablet and my black
tablet that I was watching movies on at the time,
and so everybody was coming up to me, and even
the guards and they were like, Jesus, what happened? What
did you do? What did you do? I'm like, I
don't know, man. I wrote some letters to some people
and the next thing you know it, we hit the
nail on the head with the information. That's the only
(40:06):
thing I could think of shut me down.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
You used to call those something very special, and it
was meant something to you. Those are your message in
a bottle.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
Those were my messages in a bottle. Because I'm I'm
alone on this island and you are sending your information out. Man,
You have to get your message out to anybody that
would listen to you. And I started receiving a ton
of fan mail, both of us did. We got tons
of fan mail and I was writing anybody that would listen.
(40:35):
Apparently the FBI were listening to the Fascist Bureau of Intimidation.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Because you know, every every letter that we got in
and sent out and every phone call, and it was
even this way in the BOP we were put on
special monitoring, and even the DC jail, every letter you
wrote had to be read and every letter that came
in had to be read. So they knew. The DELL
didn't really understand it that point, they just whatever, They
just let it go. But it got the point to
where I remember our mail was going to the FBI
(41:03):
before it came to the GEIL, and that was that
was one of the big delays we found. That was
because the FBI was getting every letter coming in before
the jail would get it.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
You can see where it was taped, staple together, copied
and then taped and stapled, and it went down a
long road and it would take about a month month
and a half to get a letter from anybody. There
was no quick response, quick turnaround nothing, and then they
started they started opening up our mail as it was
(41:32):
going out because of my actions, and yeah, it just
had had a domino effect within the cell block.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
So what did what did they leave you with? Whenever
they left? And I remember that was in the sellwer
next to you looking through the window, and I remember
saying a couple of choice words.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
Two.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I think it was like three guys and two females.
You know that that kind of came in, Yeah, and
had done this, and they're just logging stuff, logging stuff,
and you can kind of hear the conversation, what did
they leave you with? As far as they took, even
like personal items that weren't even related to your case,
didn't they just take?
Speaker 5 (42:05):
They took.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
They took anything that had writing on it, anything that
had notes on it, books, books, anything, All of it
was gone. They took all of it, all the paper,
all my tablets, everything. They left the pens and pencils
and that was it. And they took everything. And they
didn't leave me an inventory check sheet, nothing, no search warrant.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
So whenever that came up through and then that you
started like to really start struggling about now, how am
I gonna it got kind of desperate because how if
this happened to him, it's going to happen to all of us.
So the unit's kind of like, oh my gosh, they're
gonna come for me next. How did you and your
lawyer kind of get past this and to try to
re establish Did you get any of your stuff back?
Speaker 7 (42:50):
No, none of it was returned to me. Those were
my notes. They took as many notes almost I almost
had as much as Dan here did. They took all
that And I was begging and pleading because I needed
them for trial. And I kept telling my attorneys, Hey,
you got to recover my notes from the FBI, and
they go, oh, well, the filtered teams got them and
(43:11):
they're going through them right now. And I almost thought
the No. I did think that my attorney was working
with the prosecution against me because of the you were
fighting the DOJ, the jail facility, and with your attorneys,
and it was a three front battle that you cannot win,
and you were destitute for failure. You were destined for failure.
(43:35):
Excuse me the.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
You know I can't.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
I kind of took like a little different approach where
I was very quiet, I mean, I didn't. You know,
it's sad to say that there are I have hundreds
and hundreds of letters, and I intend to get back
to every sing one of those who wrote. But I
didn't really write anybody back because I was so afraid
after that incident, Yeah, that they were going to get involved.
(44:02):
These people wanted to help you. These people were like God,
you know, sending you prayers and stuff, and by doing that,
it's all so scared for them that they're gonna be
injected into our narrative and that they were going to
be looked at. So I tried to minimize my communication
outside of the jail with people, and I'm kind of
glad I did because it allowed me and other people
(44:23):
to kind of maintain this.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
As now we're here out free, and we're able to
now be together like we said we wanted to be
for many many years, Like this is gonna happen one day, Dann,
we'll be back together.
Speaker 7 (44:34):
I've still never recovered any of those items. Nothing, nothing
has ever come back. I tried to give one attorney.
He didn't send me anything.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
He took it. Oh give it big, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (44:45):
He gave me nothing, man, nothing from my case and
I was left to fight the court case alone. After
every single attorney. I went through seven different attorney sets man,
and none of them looked.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
At anything that we wrote down. Nobody. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (45:02):
The uh so, let's uh, let's talk about let's talk
about what led us down the road again and some of.
Speaker 5 (45:11):
The other things that we were finding. You wanna you
wanna expound on that a little bit.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah, So, whenever you start looking at the stuff you
start looking at which we all said is the police
started beating people up, and you know, there were instigated
agitation motivators in the crowd, and those could have been
handled one on one basis because it was only like
one guy or two guys, but you had a line
of police officers and you start looking at everything they
did was against their training, you know. So I started
(45:36):
asking the law Department because we started actually getting help
in the inside of the jail because of all the
inspector generals that we went to and started following complaints
with the US Marshall Service that were being denied access
to to the Law Center legal library that all the
other inmates were, you know, were afforded to, but we weren't.
(45:56):
S C two b J six ers. So I started
requesting use of force reports from twenty twenty one, you know,
of this incident and of the of the MPD, because
my focus was MPD, because I'm a firm believer that
once those cameras, those body warm cameras come out, the
narrative will change. And the government acted like that and
they're still acting like that now. So whenever you start
(46:20):
looking at all this training and stuff, you start seeing
that this is a systemic issue with the MPD. You know,
this isn't something that just happened, and we kind of
brushed on it, you know before on an interview, I
called in and we talked about the events leading up
to January sixth. The metropolit Police Department had practice and
(46:40):
we called it the playoffs to the super Bowl and
January sixth being the Super Bowl. And when you start
looking at the training, you start looking at the use
of force, the system is the systemic issue comes out
and you start seeing this is a cover up, this
is something this isn't right because we were justified in
(47:03):
our actions and we just wanted to be heard. And
I'm telling you, when those videos come out, the narratives
going to change, and they know this, so I do
want to kind of get into that in a little depth,
a little bit, you know, like even a use of
force that I had pulled over. Why don't you read
a quick statement from it is it is policy of
the MPD to provide basic law enforcement service training that
(47:25):
includes extensive de escalation training. I'm asking anybody out there
if you saw any de escalation from any Metropolitan Police department,
had a comment to the show in the Barn, it
didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
You know.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
There was no warnings, there was no justification for what
they did. They could have handled any of the instigators agitators.
But you know what, we'll get right back to this cement.
Thank you, No.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Fucking I feel fast.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
On the problems at the drum Barn party.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Man.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
Just these guys are rocking. This is awesome. Thank you guys.
Speaker 7 (49:50):
Oh my god, it's the Z Is that yours on
my phone? That's the Zen phone. Hold on a second,
thank you mister Zen for calling in. Sorry about that?
Oh what this in Phoe?
Speaker 5 (50:00):
Good afternoon, sir. How are you?
Speaker 7 (50:02):
Oh it's mister Zelensky, sir.
Speaker 5 (50:05):
How did you get this number?
Speaker 7 (50:06):
This is unauthorized and you're you're coming in broken and stupid.
That third world communication system of yours. Oh what did
I watch the meeting? Oh yeah I did. Man, you
look like that tool. Oh my god. And that Chinese
knockout five eleven nightmare you were wearing. Did Hillary Clinton dress.
Speaker 5 (50:29):
You that day? You sissy? Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (50:33):
What?
Speaker 5 (50:33):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (50:34):
No, no, no, I'm not going to make any donations
to the Democrat Party.
Speaker 5 (50:38):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (50:40):
Hey, man, I got a story to do here. Hey,
I'll just have your people get with mine. Man, I'll
call you later later. Oh my god, dude, that was
a zeph Nobody gets that number.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Man, that's like the presidential phone almost.
Speaker 7 (50:53):
Oh my god, hold on, man, that destroyed my whole composure.
Let's pull it back together. What do you got for
us today? Again?
Speaker 3 (51:02):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Think you guys come back for the bar party. You're
glad we give you a little laugh about something like that.
Speaker 5 (51:05):
But just.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
We want to talk about the case history of the
MPD and like as we talked about that January sixth
was the super Bowl. You know, the case history is there.
If you look at any case, you can go on
anywhere and type up MPD. Use the force you go
to see multiple, multiple lawsuits. This is not a one
off incident with with MPD. This is a systemic issue
(51:30):
and it just happens to be that, you know, the
use of force that we saw and we kept seeing
and seeing a scene had exacerbated over the day, you know,
and you would think that the de escalation training that
they're supposed to have gotten would it would would precedent
over when they show up using use of force. But
(51:50):
you made a comment while we're kind of off here
talking about this about Tyndall and when she first arrived. Yes,
let's go ahead and go and go into it.
Speaker 7 (52:00):
So when we're watching her load her bag, like I said,
when you go down the rabbit hole, you start watching
what they're doing, and you start watching the physical actions.
Remember you know the how and the what, you need
to know the why, and you need to watch people's
reactions and you need to watch how they move when
they're doing certain things, and those will be key to
(52:22):
their demeanor on how they feel about the product that
they're about to expose. So I watched Tara Tindall's body
cam footage from start to finish, from the time she
woke up that day to the time she went to sleep.
And I watched her load that bag.
Speaker 5 (52:36):
Of munitions, remember that.
Speaker 7 (52:38):
And they use Jason Christman as a mule to carry
all that crap in there.
Speaker 5 (52:43):
And I watched her talk to Sergeant.
Speaker 7 (52:46):
James Jason Jason j Well anyway, chrismin Man, they all
sound the same anyway.
Speaker 5 (52:53):
So I watched her.
Speaker 7 (52:57):
Take the forty millimeters grenade launcher and and ask Sara
Edwards do I have permission to shoot this weapon?
Speaker 5 (53:04):
And he said yes, shoot it right over there.
Speaker 7 (53:07):
She ran directly into the crowd, direct lay with that
weapon system and blasted a man in the chest. Where
that man is I have no idea reloaded. And she
was so nervous about this weapon system that she kept
checking the condition of the weapon system, check the safety,
open the breach, pull the round out, put it back in,
(53:28):
close the breach, check the safety, and this kept going
on and on. That shows improficiency with the weapon system
because she was so nervous to hold it.
Speaker 5 (53:36):
And that goes on with the other officers.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
As she got to that point. I want to make
a very key point here is in any of the
training in the DC code that you can look up
DC code, use of for's First Amendment assemblies in their
training is they are not allowed to use less lethal
force as a dispersal agent, right first a crowd, That
(54:01):
is exercise and First Amendment right, all right. So when
they first arrived, Chrispin had his fourth Mark forty six
as he dumped them, tailegraved them. But Tendall's standing there.
Speaker 5 (54:12):
He had a bag full of them.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
So in Glover you clearly hear it on the radio communications. Yes,
he's like, Tendall, clear them out. That is a dispersal
order to clear them out, and using her les lethal
forty millimeters grenade launcher, she launches into the crowd ammunitions
as a dispersal agent. I just want to get that
point clear because that was the again leadership right, directing
(54:38):
right off the bat, not de escalation, escalation and breaking policy.
Speaker 5 (54:42):
Right.
Speaker 7 (54:43):
If I was a private on the firing line and
there was a bunch of weapons out there, and I sorry,
said you're a half at it, it's gonna be a heyday.
I'm going to use everything I possibly can to destroy everything.
And that's exactly what they did. And they brought people,
They brought MPD officers one line and gave them whatever
they wanted and unleashed them onto the crowd, and it
(55:05):
was a gigantic training day. There was no commanded control,
There was no orchestration that didn't utilize any protocol whatsoever
for crowd control or crowd dispersion. There was no l
RAZ until around twelve two five, fourteen oh five, fourteen ten.
And I only heard that because it was on somebody
(55:25):
else's body cam footage you I can't remember. And they
only played it for ten minutes and shut that off.
And by that time it was only on the north side.
You couldn't even hear anything.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
So everybody was watching the video and I think Samsel
was kind of there, and it shows like they just
opened the line. You hear like, okay, everybody open up.
The police line opens up, she comes in, fires backs off,
the line closes back up. But do you know it
was during that time between her and when Glover had
his forty millimeters, which he's not trained to use, you
(55:55):
should never. They're having to show him how to load it,
and they're feeding rounds this later on.
Speaker 5 (55:59):
None of those people were authorized to fire those.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
But there was a J sixer there who had been
severely wounded by a baton round that they just kind
of opened the crowd and shot and roved back. And
it was the gentleman I had read in a publication,
and I'm gonna say which one it was that broke
his thigh. It broke his femur, right, and he didn't
know it because his pants got so swollen tight. But
that was using that round and that les leave the
(56:22):
force in a deadly manner, point blank range into somebody's thigh.
The impact that that can have on you to break
your thigh bone.
Speaker 7 (56:30):
Right, Let's talk about more crowd dispersion with Sergeant Riley
man and what he was doing. I tried to watch
his bodycam footage, but it was clearly underneath his jacket
that he had zipped up all the way. And you
have Sergeant Riley on multiple body cam footage a multitude
of people. He's in it to win it. This guy
(56:53):
was on cocaine or methamphetamines or something because he was
beating overhand lethal lethal overhand strikes. These are cracking skulls
and he is beating. He is stabbing with the butt
end of his baton and overhand striking to the head
and to the legs, to the torso all over the place,
and not one time did he look back and say, hey, man,
(57:17):
what do we need to do to get rid of
this crowd. We just need to run in and just
start beating it. And as soon as he showed up
on the scene, it was game on with this guy.
Speaker 1 (57:27):
Did you know that every officer that had used use
of force is required to do a force incident report
and not one of those reports and any discovery on
the PDF files showed that they would use excessive force.
Everything was justified. And if you watch some of the
vitos when they come out, and they will, there's nothing
(57:49):
that justifies beating a woman with a shield or pepper sprainer,
then shield nerve downstairs or elders or anybody.
Speaker 7 (57:59):
You have lieutenants, captains and majors taking orders from subordinates
that were completely out of control, telling them what to do, sir,
And that's that man right there.
Speaker 5 (58:11):
Get him.
Speaker 1 (58:11):
Same video of two and Edward's talking with the assistant
police chief who was on scene. He shows up and
they're like, you know, we've tried pain compliance. It's not working.
I think there's that video has been out for a
little while. We've done everything we can we start taking
it's not working. We go after one, we make ten
of them mad. That's a huge statement. You hit one
person that you should be going after, but you usually
(58:33):
use the force in such a manner that your stingballs
is hill in the crowd affects ten people. You've now
injured ten people. What do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 5 (58:41):
Sergeant too says these things, but then he goes on.
Speaker 7 (58:43):
He ends up tackling a woman up on the upper
terrace in flex Kaft for no reason, when everybody was
leaving the building. It was around seventeen hundred dish up there,
and her boyfriend's just screaming, why are you doing this?
What did you do?
Speaker 5 (58:57):
Oh? She spit on me?
Speaker 7 (58:58):
And then he grabs he grabs a taser. The thing
is winding down and people are leaving. He runs up
and grabs somebody else's taser, runs out into the crowd.
Zap's A guy reloads the cartridge, shoots another man with it,
and the only person that tried to stop him and
slow him down was Lieutenant Horras. How do I know
this because I watched his body camp footage and he
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made taw give back the taser the man was a
one man wrecking ball.
Speaker 1 (59:25):
Do you how do you have eight bodycam videos by yourself?
How is that possible? You have to stop the body
cam So if you watch the bodycam videos in Wintao
and the little group of people in the DSOs, We're
gonna talk about this real quick when we come back.
But it's pretty shocking and it shouldn't happen. I think
the policy says that it should not happen.
Speaker 7 (59:45):
There's a repetition for this training. Welcome back to Cowboy
(01:00:19):
Logic once again. This is unprecedented. With Dan and I
have taken over the comm system of a media outlet,
a mogile media outlet, and we thank you very much
for this opportunity. And we're going to get started because
there's so much information that needs to be put out.
We have watched it all. I will stand before the
eyes of God and testify the bodycam footage is what
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we're now went on and we're going to talk about
some of the bodycam footage and the fall of the
West Harrace and why that took place.
Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
So we kind of left Conan the break. We were
talking about multiple body cam footage and how is it
that that's an officer has eight different start stops, eight
different bodycam videos. When you look at okay, a bodycam video,
you see, officers is a three hour video. You have
one that has thirty minutes, forty minutes, an hour, an hour,
an hour, an hour, and every time and you watching
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their body cam, they hit stopped because they're having a
conversation that they don't want anbi us to hear exactly
how to attract the crowd. What they just did that
was probably highly illegal. Horrors and towel at one point, yeah,
had turned off because okay, everybody, we all hear, we
all hear turn it off. But guess who didn't turn
their camera off on this little incident, Oh Edwards, mister
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Edwards again. And it was them saying we shouldn't gas them.
This is after the fall of the West Terrace. This
was already up there. Let lower West Hairs has already fallen.
You've already gassed the crowd, You've already done all this
stuff to people out there. But now you had to
retreat up here because you gassed yourself. Right, talk about
the the the gassing, the fall of the West Terrace
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and how it came about.
Speaker 7 (01:01:58):
So two fifteen, two o'clock two fifteen ish. They were
They were just shooting and throwing anything, steger balls, handheld gas,
forty millimeter projectiles. But the problem was they started running
into short rounds. And a short round is when the
projectile goes out, it doesn't go to its maximum effective range.
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It falls short because of the powder, it was wet
or bad firing mechanism or something like that. So one
round goes what was that officer's name again, Corey, Corey,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Mccrey said, Hey, I don't have a camera record this.
Speaker 7 (01:02:35):
Yeah, he's like, check this out, take pictures of me. Man,
I put this on GQ, And that's exactly what it was,
was a GQ photo shoot.
Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
And he gets up there, posters up, shoots around.
Speaker 7 (01:02:45):
It goes about twenty feet in front of him, and
they try to kick it around. Now, mind you backtrack.
There is a line of officers. There's got to be,
oh my god, about one hundred officers maybe maybe more
out there trying to stave the flow of people because
they don't have proper protection or they just weren't prepared
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for it in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
They were now.
Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Crowd the crowd right. It was highly agitated because they
recited because.
Speaker 7 (01:03:12):
Now they've got CS gas deployed right behind them. And
then there was another one, and where they kicked that
when I can't remember. I didn't see it on the camera,
but I watched another one go into the crowd. The
crowd picked it up and threw it right back, and
here comes my man. Instead of maintaining command and control,
he decides, with a gloved hand which he never used,
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decides to kick the canister of CS all the way
down the line of officers. Captain Augustine, thank you very
much for single handedly taking down the entire West Terrace.
You kicked that CS canister all the way down, gassing
yourself to a point of incapacitation, waxing all those people
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I counted just on your video camera. Thirty seven officers
walked away, gave it the double barrel middle finger, and
said I am done with this riot.
Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Later to be called They thought they were set up, right, Oh.
Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
We were set up.
Speaker 7 (01:04:15):
Somebody said fall back, No nobody could breathe or see anymore,
and all the crowd did. Because there were no more
officers to hold the line. They stepped forward and that
was the fall of the West Terrace at two twenty
five in the afternoon, and violence and everything broke out then,
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and the and the police officers had to retreat and
they got bottlenecked into the doorway they went. Instead of
taking the stairs, No, they just took a single doorway
where they all crowded into it, which took it forever
to get through, and they never made it up to
the top of the West Terrace until around three o'clock
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in the afternoon, fifteen hundred in the afternoon, they decided
to start taking a stand and I remember around seventeen
hundred a colonel, Oh, wait a minute, God, there's so
much Let's go back and talk about some of the
items that were found into the crowd.
Speaker 5 (01:05:13):
And this leads me to believe that the under for
the fall, this was right right before about you.
Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
This is after the gassing.
Speaker 7 (01:05:19):
The around two fourteen, one hundred thirteen thirty somewhere right around.
Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
There was the line fell. Like two twenty five was
when the line started pushing back to twenty seven to
twenty eight. It was within a couple minutes that so
right around.
Speaker 7 (01:05:36):
Because it was twenty five, because it was on the
body camp footage after Tao, Augustine and Bagshaw were in
a heated discussion trying to figure out what they wanted
to do in life, and they all three of them
came running down the steps damn near holding hands with
each other, skipping, and then they ran into the crowd
and then Bagshaw moves underneath. This is haul on video
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people and you see three five to eleven Nightmare guys
standing in the corner with their arms around the MPD,
laughing and giggling. I wonder who they are undercover agents?
And then Bagshawe runs around and you're watching it on
his bodycam footage. There is a gun in the crowd
Smith and Wesson nine millimeter in the waistband Holster kaitex
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that says, we the people on the holster backtrack to
one of our segments that said you have to watch
the video and then you go back and you look
at it frame by frame, because it happens so fast
on video, you will miss it. And he picks this
thing up and puts it in his pocket.
Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
So that gun had been kicked from a circle of people.
Speaker 5 (01:06:43):
There were a bunch of people yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Slid to him. He just very quickly grabs it and
takes control of this. Now remember watching I want to
say it might be Fold, Officer Fold's bodycam that was
in there. And now remember there was a guy in
the crowd and he's wearing the five lot of stuff
like you're saying yes, and the gun falls and I
remember him kind of like holding people back. Yeah, he goes,
(01:07:05):
I lost my gun, and he's like catching yourself. He goes,
there's a gun.
Speaker 5 (01:07:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
So it looked like it was very incon very conveniently
just kind of placed down there barrier. Oh look, there's
a gun.
Speaker 7 (01:07:18):
I'm not going to go into theatrics about that, but
you don't lose all three items. And they also recovered
a pistol nine milimeter haullowpoint uh magazine magazine fully loaded.
You don't lose the pistol in the waistband and then
the magazine on top of each other in the middle
of a crowd like that, there is no possible way.
The gun will fall out first and everybody will see
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that and then you back away. That's in the waistband
holster where they wanted somebody to pick that weapon system
up and start deploying it before the end of the day.
So they could actually say it was an armed insurrection.
And then I wonder what Captain Bagshawe did. Oh, I remember, Yes,
he found and his commander up on one one tier
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up and he handed that thing off. Didn't say a word.
It was like some sort of understood nod or something.
Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
And if you find a gun, and I'm the m
it's just a chief that's out there, and and i'm
your superior, superior, right, and you come and give me
a gun, I'm going to say.
Speaker 5 (01:08:20):
Like, Mike, oh my god, where did you get this?
Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
This?
Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Whose is this?
Speaker 5 (01:08:23):
Yes? No, where did you find that?
Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
And I think we've probably got some footage of this
that we'll show later. Is just the transition from here.
Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
To nothing, no word spoken.
Speaker 7 (01:08:32):
Like a like, and he passed that off and you
never heard of it again.
Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
This little trap didn't work. Just just put it up.
It was a plant.
Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
We the people, right.
Speaker 7 (01:08:41):
They try to make it look like some patriot put
it up there, but you don't. I don't know how
many scenarios I've done within the waistband holsters.
Speaker 5 (01:08:48):
The gun will fall out.
Speaker 7 (01:08:49):
The gun falls out when you're getting out of the car,
the gun falls out when you're getting in the car.
The gun falls out when you're when you're wrestling around,
but the holster always stays. That thing is on almost
cemented to your side, and you have to pull it
all out. But to find the holster and the gun
married together is almost damn near impossible. You don't do it.
The thing was a plant, and then they came up
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with the knife later on. That smocks Nicks. So the
thing was a setup. Augustine, Bagshot, Tau, Tendall, Crisman, Harrows,
and the rest of them.
Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Man naming these officers, it's funny. I just want to
real quick say that. You know, as I was doing
my notes and stuff before, I kind of made a
special sheet and I don't know why I did it,
but I put goon Squad. And just as I'm watching
all these videos for months and hours and hundreds of hours,
this list builds. It's Glover, it's Harrington, it's Augustine, it's Tau.
This is before you and I.
Speaker 7 (01:09:42):
This is before we came together. And then names are.
Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Bagshaw, Caldwell, Dockett, Bogner, Alito, Harrington, Voltson, Folds, Forester, McAllister.
Excellent horros.
Speaker 7 (01:09:55):
When you start looking at their history and the things
that they have done throughout their career. In the NPD,
you will see the repetition of the crimes being committed
by these people and being covered up by the higher echelon.
Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
A lot of these people belong to SOD Special Operations
Division within MPD in the DSO, which is the Domestic
Special Operations. They're Special Operations for a reason. These guys
are the same people who have been named in Monomo's
lawsuits Tyndall, Chrisman, Daal Glover, and all the other lawsuits
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that we've looked at before. They're the same. It's the
same people, the same divisions within MPD. They have specific issues,
and I just wanted to kind of we talked about
it for but I wanted to really kind of just
you and I on the same path. And I actually
have goon squad, and we keep naming the same officers.
Speaker 7 (01:10:48):
And look at the mine right, and look at the
body camps man. When you watch these things, these guys
are disappearing for a while. They'll go downstairs and they'll
just hang out with their other officers. If officers were
dying that day and people were being beat to death,
why are these guys going downstairs to prip their hair
or splash water on them.
Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Fail.
Speaker 5 (01:11:05):
Oh man, it's really crazy out there. This is we're
having a good time.
Speaker 7 (01:11:08):
And that is on Oh Augustine's bodycm footedge and Williams.
Where did William or Smiley even Smiley? After she got
done puke and green bile, she went downstairs and that
was the end of her for the rest of the day.
And she went down there and started bsing with their friends.
Oh yeah, this is really really amazing cell phone communications
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with their boyfriends. The list is into us. The female
in the bathroom, they didn't even bother deleting her body
camp footage. They put that on another guy's Discovery and
he showed that. Remember that she goes into the bathroom,
She's like checking herself, checking her bit.
Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
I'm like, what the hell is this thought? Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Back in Hey, welcome back to Cowboy Logic. This is Daniel.
Speaker 5 (01:12:22):
I'm Jeff.
Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
We just want to welcome you back and again to
again as we go through this process, just the feelings
and stuff we're having and the gratitude for Donna, Donna
to last, thank you. This is this is a dream
and this is only the start, and we will accomplish
the goal. But you know, we'll get into that another
segment here later on. So we kind of left and
we're talking about the fall of the West Terrace. Uh,
(01:12:47):
there came a stance of you know, the tunnel became
the stance of this. This was the final I don't
know how you say it. This was the final interaction
between MPD, Capitol Police and the crowd.
Speaker 5 (01:13:03):
Right.
Speaker 7 (01:13:03):
I want to thank Captain Augustine once again for the
fall of the West Terriff.
Speaker 5 (01:13:07):
Thank you, Sarah. You did a really wonderful job that day.
Speaker 7 (01:13:09):
So we're talking about the winding down. This is later
on in the afternoon. There's so much information it's unbelievable,
and I like to get back to something really quick.
I want you to fact check me. I want you
to check my information. Everything I say is gospel. Dan
and I together, we are biblical man, and I want
you to fact check us. And we're going to get
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into the uh into the tunnels right now. And what
happened with Ashley Babbitt, Roseanne Boiling and Ashley Babbitt, names
that I will never forget as long as I live,
because I watched their murder, their assassination on video.
Speaker 5 (01:13:47):
We'll start with We'll start with Roseanne.
Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Boiling Morris, So we kind of talk about.
Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
That officers involved more.
Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
We we know they had guessed the crowd. Yeah, and
people had become affixiated because you're in this tunnel and
there's a lot of people and impd's forcing out crowds
standing there and you can't push back because the crowd
is just it's becomes a push a war now to
war a push a war. So rosee Bullen became incapacitated
because of being gassed. If I'm almost certain that that's
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what happened.
Speaker 7 (01:14:21):
Right, She was a heavy, She was slightly heavy, maybe
had an underlying condition or something like that, but the
body can't handle that kind of stress for such a
long period of time. I'm not a medic, nor am
I a PA or anything like that. Used to be
a communications geek, but I've seen enough people fall out
from exertion countless times. And what happened she went down.
(01:14:43):
You could see on the video and correct me if
I'm wrong. Dan, You see her hands going up. And
I watched this. Officers close proximity or had a hand
in it. Were Morris, Pale, Hodges Venn officer one two
to two five, and there were two other I used
to these notes I used to have, but the the
FBI took him. Thank you the uh. So you see
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her hands go up, she falls to the ground Lyla
Morris once again, man, I bet if you fact check
her and look at her history, she'll have cases up
the wazoo of violence in lawsuits against her. Started beating
this woman when she was on the ground, people protecting her,
and the violence of action keeps going with the other
officers kicking her.
Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
So again a use of force, an excessive use of
force because there was a stick that was provided and
she's beaten. Roseanne boiling as she's laying down with a stick.
And this was this is verifiable because Mac, you know,
there were several people that were of in the c
to Sea to be pod with us that were at
that incident that triggered them to do what they did.
Speaker 5 (01:15:47):
Right, they were standing right next to her.
Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
So as we're looking at that and you have multiple
people who had the same story, Jay Sixers, I was
doing this. I was doing this. This is what I
saw is what I saw. What I saw. You start
coming to this excessive use of force, but this was investated. This,
this incident with Lyla Morris was investigated. It was investigated.
And it's funny you mentioned who our buddy.
Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
Oh let me guess once again, the fall of the
West Terrace.
Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
David Augustine of the Metropolitan Police.
Speaker 5 (01:16:13):
Department, Thank you, mister Augustine.
Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
During investigation quote and I'm gonna read this quote real quick.
The use of force within this investigation was determined to
be objectively reasonable. And this is the one investigation with
Lyla Morris and the beating of Roseanne Boiland with a stick. Uh,
I don't know how that could be objectively reasonable reasonable.
Speaker 7 (01:16:34):
This is the same officer later on that night on
video talking about filing lawsuits against Jay six Ers with
Captain Bagshaw later on that evening making false claims of PTSD, TBI, strike, fear,
sleep apnea, permanent body disfigurement.
Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
So the use of force, it always comes down to
use of force. Again, the use of force, use of force,
us to force and this wasn't known things. This was
the fall the West Terrace and that happened there. But
let's also talk about Ashley Babbitt, Michael Burden.
Speaker 5 (01:17:06):
Yes, so.
Speaker 7 (01:17:09):
Real quick, with Roseanne Boiling is that wonder why they
burned the body so quickly, and they said that she
died of a methamphetamine overdose. Where's the family, where's the outcry,
where's the follow on information?
Speaker 5 (01:17:22):
Where was it?
Speaker 7 (01:17:22):
They drugged the body into the back of the hallway
like a rag man and then dumped her off, and
then you what was that officer's name that walked by?
He's like, oh, is that one of ours? And they're like, no,
that's a crowd. Yeah, he's out FM. Man did forget it? Man,
let's keep going.
Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
This context is is as you just said, that's want
to clarify, they are still doing.
Speaker 5 (01:17:44):
CPR dark pressure CPR.
Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Minutes minutes in a long while past this, And this
is a This is a disgusting police department who once
at this time had bragged about at least we got
to throw some hands. Yeah, anybody knows what throwing hand is.
That that's fighting. And the other officer, that's real quick,
kind of off tangent. But I had to say this
is he's on body cam. The other officer. He's telling
us too, like dude body bragging about being able to
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punch other writers and bragging about so he's the one
that walks by, sees them doing this, asked another officer, Hey,
is that one of us? Or is that one of them?
And that officer said, oh, that's one of them. He's
like fet and walks right on by.
Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
Fact check it.
Speaker 7 (01:18:25):
So we're gonna go into Ashley Babbitt. This is I
met her mother one day and that was a tear
jerking moment. And I watched the video twice and that
was enough for me to convince me that that that
thing was set up from the get go. And you
had yeah, you had people breaking glass.
Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
And stuff like that. You want me to go into
theatrics and.
Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
So what I stick to what you were? What this guy?
Speaker 5 (01:18:49):
All? Right? So you see you see the setup.
Speaker 7 (01:18:53):
There was a hand in arm signal or a call
that came out, and there were two officers standing on
one side of the doorway and there were other officers behind.
If you were behind once again the line of officers,
you get flex cuffed. But this wasn't happening because the
door was there, and you had people were praising self.
Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Two police are standing right behind right right.
Speaker 7 (01:19:13):
They're standing directly behind her, and more people, more officer
They disappeared, They fell back because there was a hand
in arm signal or a call came out and you
couldn't and you're like, where'd they go? And all of
a sudden, you see Michael Bird's hand come out and
he takes the shot and then retracts, moves back, starts
calling four shots fired, shots shots fired.
Speaker 5 (01:19:36):
I'm taking it.
Speaker 7 (01:19:37):
I'm taking the shot and uh and then why would
you do that? Right afterwards, and that's when the SWAT
team comes up the steps.
Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
So you had two not swat protected, not play carriers,
not the windy helmets, not the not the protective gear
that were standing there with just playing clothes. Capitol Police
are standing there right right behind where she's get shot.
Exit the scene right the shot happens. Then you got
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Ert who was fully decked out in full military year
that show up.
Speaker 7 (01:20:11):
Once again, if you have the upper hand with the personnel,
why would you give up the high ground. He took
the shot and then ran away and then made the
call of shots fired. That is a cowardice act. That
is an assassination. That is a triggering response by Capitol
Police and MPD to force the crowd's hand into bearing
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arms into the riot, and they wanted it to go
down that way, you know, but they showed restraint and
nobody had a weapon.
Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
To the family of Asky Babbitt, we honor her. We
have for for four years.
Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
Tear jerking experience, crying shame.
Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Just Mickey, we love you, we love you, and we're sorry.
To the family, to her husband, to everybody that knew Mickey,
what a what a what a wonderful woman, And this
was just a tragic incident. I just wanted to say
that real quick. I met you once, Just huge goosebumps
all over there.
Speaker 7 (01:21:06):
I men you once when you came to C t
B to see me, and that was honorable. And you
and I sat there and I told you exactly what
I saw on video. And I hope it brings anything
to you.
Speaker 5 (01:21:21):
Man. That's tough, dude, that's tough.
Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Don't know where to go after that one, real quick.
I mean, I just really don't bro got a little time,
but just you know, again, as we keep saying this,
this this comes back to use of force and training
and communication, and you know, after that, I just we
kind of come to the end of the stuff and
and and and the segments that we're we've been honored
(01:21:44):
to host things to Donna. Donna is it's going to
come down to we really really really need to continue
this fight. You know, fight is not over.
Speaker 7 (01:21:56):
We want to stay in it as long as we can,
and we want to help man and we want to
be questioned about what we saw and what we've witnessed
on video.
Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
It's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
There's a lot there, and you know, we've had so much,
We've had this blessing, this opportunity to talk to you guys,
and and and there's so much more that that we
not even get to today.
Speaker 5 (01:22:19):
No, we can't. We just can't can't do it.
Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
It's too much information and it's too much We just
there's there's not enough traction yet. So as we kind
of wrap this up in a little bit, I think
we got another segment to do.
Speaker 5 (01:22:32):
But but when yeah, just just.
Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Really understand the purpose of why we're here and what
we're trying to do is to educate that there is
a system out there. It has been in place. We're
not going to take the fact that you know it's gone,
you didn't delete this. You might have deleted some stuff
during the committee and that information is gone, but this
is a totally different system. That we're talking about, you know,
(01:22:56):
so we just need that, we need your help.
Speaker 7 (01:22:58):
When you're going out there and you're the videos or
you're trying to gather information, Remember you got to know
the how, the what, and the why, and then you
have to watch. Just like ingredients of a cake, you
have things that make up a riot. You have instigators, agitators,
and motivators. Any two of those three will instigate violence
within within the organization. And then you have the gorilla fighters,
(01:23:22):
the Antifa and the BLM, the sedition hunters, and the
people that were dressed up just like Trump supporters that
were agitating the police and pushing people forward. It's just
it's unbelievable. So just yeah, real quick, real quick.
Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
So this after Ashley Babbitt that you know, we're just
gonna have take another break.
Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
Yeah, it's hard to pull it together, get it back together.
Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
I don't know why time.
Speaker 5 (01:24:20):
Welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 7 (01:24:22):
We had a pretty emotional break that was well needed,
and Dan and I would like to talk about a
few things, uh, that are emotional to us and some
feeling and demands that we would like to get out
to the public that make you more aware of our situation,
(01:24:42):
and some of the things that we were subjected to
while incarcerated were the local media, uh and UH local
newscasts that were calling us, you know, the terrorists and insurrectionists.
Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
And change your name from Jeff McKellop to hello, my
name is ist. We just need tags or tattoos right
here that says my name is this because when you
stick at it, because you add it's the end of it.
White supremacist, domestic terrorists, terrorist, you know, a militant extremist,
anybody you put it inst to the end of it.
They've called it to us, you know what, And it's
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unjust because it's set a narrative. It's set a narrative
with the with the United States people, set an area
with Congress, it set a narrative with with anybody who
It just set a wrong narrative.
Speaker 5 (01:25:31):
It was a pre punishment.
Speaker 7 (01:25:32):
We were denied our due process, We were denied information
all our discovery. Even our own attorneys denied us information
about our case and wouldn't allow us to fight it.
And like we said before, we were fighting a war
on three different fronts with the d J the CTF facility,
and then again with our attorneys.
Speaker 5 (01:25:51):
It was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
But in the perception of the American people, a lot
of them, you know. And as we say that, the
tie is kind of turned, you know, so you look
back at when you're in C two B the only
device you had that can kind of keep you saying
when you're locked in yourself for twenty three hours and
you couldn't see a TV if you didn't have to sell,
you couldn't definitely hear it. But if you could see it,
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you can watch it. But whatever, who's going to stand
at the door for nineteen hours or twenty hours out
of the day. Is you got a radio, you know,
and DC, you had c SPAN, you had the NWA,
the Mall. You had all these radio stations, and they
were conservatives. And I want to say that even the
narrative has changed now over the last four years of
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some key prominent people, right, and the tide has turned.
Radio was all we had.
Speaker 7 (01:26:39):
Yeah, you had the J six Committee and all its splendor,
and you brought that clown show to bear and those
guys were reading their narrative off the paper, complete and
utter lie.
Speaker 5 (01:26:49):
I want my turn.
Speaker 7 (01:26:51):
I want to stand before the eyes of Congress and
I want to testify. I don't need paper to tell
me what to say and what to do.
Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
I got production or production cruise dough too.
Speaker 7 (01:27:01):
We don't need a Hollywood production crew anything. Dan and
I can do it standing there and battle and combat
any topic, any theory that you may have against us,
and back it up with hardcore video.
Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
You know, the right people since Trumpet won, have been
putting key positions and the right people in place now,
and we're asking you.
Speaker 5 (01:27:24):
We put it to you. I command you bring us forward.
Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
There's a mandate that this needs to come to truth,
and we're asking Pambondi. You know you have a great
pull in your position to really help us release the
MPD videos. You know, there's reason Judicial Watch has been
trying to get these videos for years and they can't.
So the time is over. Everybody's been pardoning. There's no
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more crimes, there's no more charges coming up. It's time
for truth. You know, Cash Betel, We're so happy you're there.
Dan Bongino, I've listened to you for four years, even
when I was in the BOP. I listened to you
at twelve, you know, eleven toolat in the Dallas area.
I applaud you for your involvement with Julie Kelly and
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getting to the point to where this was a feeds direction.
There are a lot of things that need be answered
to this, and I'm asking you in Cash Betel and
the FBI to investigate that. Look at how many people
were in the crowd. Let's get this to truth. We
need this, The American needs this. You wanted to heal,
you want to come to fruition. American needs to hell.
Truth is the only way to do it.
Speaker 5 (01:28:33):
You guys, you want to be an official.
Speaker 7 (01:28:35):
You want to be in a position that makes a choice,
makes a command decision. Now's your opportunity to step forward.
What will you do when they come for you?
Speaker 5 (01:28:43):
What will you do? Well? They came for me and
they took everything that I have. I had nothing left.
Speaker 7 (01:28:50):
I was ready to retire, and all of a sudden,
a friend of mine asked me to go to this
clown show and I got sucked into it and we
lost it. All four years of my life, four years
of my children's lives gone never to return, and now
they're often running on their own. Come on, man, do
what you say, stand up, walk the walk. If you
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talk to talk just like when we had the congressmen
and women come into our cell block and want to
talk to us. I tried to pass off.
Speaker 5 (01:29:19):
A note that read torture, interrogation, isolation. I need help.
Speaker 7 (01:29:26):
They wouldn't take my note. Oh it's a piece of radioactivity. Cowardy,
cowardice under fire, just like that clown that wrote the
book Courage under Fire. Yeah, I saw that, and you
know what it should say, cowardice under fire.
Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
Sissies, Well, you know a lot of motions the Titus.
As Jeff said, we lost it all. You know, we've
done four years in jail, unbelieved. There's this solitary confinement.
And we're not the only two. There was a lot
of great brothers in there. And if you all know
who you are, I'm not gonna name names on here,
but you know we love you, we know who you are,
and we're going to support you in any way we can.
(01:30:03):
And if this is a little thing to get some
kind of freedom back to your family and some dignity
where you can hold your head. You know, I traveled
here this weekend right with my son and this has
probably been the most of it with him.
Speaker 7 (01:30:16):
That it's all right, bro, we speak for you, guys,
we're speaking for you. Call me, you call me out
and you tell us what to say. You tell Dan
and I what to say, and we will get it
out there. We command you to bring us before court.
Speaker 5 (01:30:32):
I want to do it. I'm ready, We're ready. It's
not the ammunition to fight the battle.
Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
There's nothing stopping us other than people making decisions. And
I ask you guys all out there. You've got us
out this far. There's great support for pardons and getting
us here this far. So many people were involved in that.
We're asking you as the public to call you, Congressman,
to get involved, to get them to say, Jay six
years need to be in front of Congress. There needs
to be a new path that the truth comes out,
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you know, and it's possible. Look at the how far
we've come so far, and.
Speaker 5 (01:31:04):
When everybody back door to us.
Speaker 7 (01:31:05):
Man, my entire crew at work were told they had
a meeting and we're told not to talk to me
or reach out or communicate with me. As soon as
I got arrested, as soon as my face made the video,
that was excommunicated right then and there.
Speaker 5 (01:31:21):
And I want to think, we want to.
Speaker 7 (01:31:23):
Think all of this comes down to the support that
we had from everybody, and the letters and the money
for our gifts and ghost I'm still living off that
money and it is spent to the nth degree for
the best interest of my children and the survivability of myself.
(01:31:45):
Without it, I would be out there panhandling. I would
be a homeless veteran instantly.
Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
All of you people out there helped us get out
because you voted for Trump. Trump is in office, and
I want to say that this man has fortitude that
the yeah could ever imagine. And we oh sitting right
here today along with being able to talk as we
talked many times, where we get together again.
Speaker 5 (01:32:09):
We're going to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
We would not be here without Donald Trump. And thank you,
President Trump. I owe you my freedom.
Speaker 7 (01:32:19):
We we we thank you, sir. Thank you so very
much for mentioning us. And it was so enlightening even
other prisoners when I was in Texas.
Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
This has been something that I know has probably been
very hard. You haven't done this before, and to give
us this platform, it means the world to me. You know,
real America's voice. This is something that Jay six Ers
need and if this is the baby step we need
to get to Congress. We are more than willing to
fight that fight.
Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
Thank you, Thank you so very much.
Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
So we're winding down, man, it's coming down to this.
Speaker 5 (01:32:55):
It bro you not in there.
Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
We kind of took part in an amazing song that
was involved with us and a lot of the patriots.
Speaker 5 (01:33:02):
We've got a chance to make a record, the DC.
Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Goolg President Trump and he just got his part into
it too.
Speaker 5 (01:33:08):
So the greatest national anthems ever, you.
Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
Know, So as we talk about that, just just know that,
you know everybody knows it. Nine o'clock every night we
sat and sing this anthem, you know, to the phones,
to the people out there, list to freedom, to freedom corner.
Everybody's out there for three years straight, four years. So
just thank you for ladies. And you know, Cowboy Logic
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has closed, you know, their show for the last three
years with the most beautiful anthem ever sung and Jeff
and I included in this. You know, we just thank
you for this opportunity.
Speaker 7 (01:33:41):
Just ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your valuable time
and your effort, and thank you Cowboy Logic.
Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
Ladies and gentlemen. Now's the time, gentlemen, remove your hats.
Ladies and gentlemen, put your hands on your hearts, and
let's do this national anthem.
Speaker 5 (01:34:00):
And so.
Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States
of America, who rides and.
Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
Ride and lost, to
Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
Square, and to the Republic for which it stands, one
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nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all,
The door.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
An e to get and.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Sing again, and.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Welcome to Cowboy Logic.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Everyone.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
I'm Donna Fidusha, He's Don Newan. And where's the pencil?
Speaker 5 (01:14):
I'm looking right here.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
There's the pencil, Okay, the number two pencil. This week's
show is going to be different than any other show,
whether it be Cowboy Logic or any show you're going
to see network on a major network, because we are
going to give the voice to those who had no
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voice for the last four years, namely two J six
ers that are subject matter experts.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
That's right, for the past three and a half plus years.
As you all know, because we've talked about this repeatedly.
J six ers would give anything, especially when they were
locked up. They would give anything to be able to
sit down in front of Congress, be sworn in and
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testify under oath to what they know. Now, what's going
to be interesting about this show and it is very
unique because quite honestly, ladies and gentlemen, this is the
last segment that you're going to see Donna and I.
What's unique about this show that Donna was speaking about
with regard to network television is that we are actually
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going to turn our show over to Jeff McKellop and
Dan Caldwell to j Sixers, and it's not going to
be an interview because Donna and I are not going
to be leading the show, asking questions, keeping these guys
in their lane and doing the whole nine yards. They
will become the hosts of the show. And nobody's done this.
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These guys have asked for three plus years, four years,
once they started getting their evidence, they ask to testify
in front of Congress because unlike any of the rest
of us, they actually had access to the forty four
(03:17):
thousand hours, that's forty seven hours, however many it is,
they actually had access to it.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah, I didn't realize that obviously because their defendants they
did have evidence dot com access, but that wasn't until
at least almost a year into their incarceration. So obviously,
right off the bat the government is withholding evidence.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Well, they finally turned it over to them when they
realized they were violating their constitutional rights.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
None of them got bail, well very few, and they're
totally incarcerated awaiting trial because they're flight wrists and things,
just dumb excuses. But the bottom line is they had
access to this forty four plus thousd hours. But then
it's just dumped on them. So what are you going
to do? Pay lawyer three hundred dollars an hour to
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muddle through.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
All of this?
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Well, many of them paid lawyers three hundred dollars an
hour to do absolutely nothing.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Yep, bankrupted them.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
So these guys sat in C two B the DC
Patriot Pod, a hell hole, and what did they do?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
They watched footage.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
None of these guys had ever had to watch this
kind of footage before. They had no idea what they
were doing. I mean, you got to understand that they're
receiving thousands and thousands of pages of information BODYCM numbers, durations,
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along with PDF files and things like that.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
What do they do with it?
Speaker 6 (04:57):
So they start laying in their cells there in their bunks,
and they start watching it, and then they start talking
to each other and they start comparing notes. And you're
gonna see what I'm talking about when Dan Caldwell and
(05:17):
Jeff Mcallop sit right here and start explaining everything that
they know about this footage. Now, in what an hour
and forty five minutes worth of content time, I can
explain mice nuts to you.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
But it's a.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
It's a start, but what you're gonna see is that
they know there.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And you're gonna bleep that out.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
However, the bottom line and the bigger picture is it
took so many hours, years in fact, to show that
the whole narrative of the government was basically the opposite
of what they claim, which has happened in so many
different things that we've seen, the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping, the
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Russia Russia Russia hoax, and on and on and on.
That's the same exact thing that happened in January sixth.
But you've got a nation that's been fed a line
of bs now for four years, thinking that insurrection, insurrection, insurrection,
and yet a lot of times you say to somebody, okay,
who's been charged with insurrection, They're like, well, I don't know,
because nobody has, including President Trump. But the bottom line
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is also is that President Trump got to unfortunately apparently
be on the receiving end of all this as well,
including raids by the FBI, And it's so wrong on
so many levels that we can just only hope that
Cash Betel and now Dan Bongino and Pam Bondi are
(06:49):
going to get to the bottom of this, but we
have been saying for years all they want to do
is testify before Congress under oath. I can't tell you
how many times we had Jeff McKellop on the phone
during some interviews where he would go, why is nobody listening?
And you could feel the frustration, And as far as
you our audience is concerned, you feel that frustration as
(07:11):
well because you have grown you realize what has really happened,
and the story has to get out there, and it's
going to.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
What do you need to do after we go to
break and then when Dan and Jeff come on the
air in our place, the first thing that I would
suggest is that you get out something to write with
and something to write on so that you can take notes.
(07:44):
I think it's important for you guys to know that
the next seven segments of Cowboy Logic.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Are not scripted. We thought about how do we take two.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Guys that have never done a television show before and
stick them in the studio without a complete train wreck.
And we talked about it for a couple of days
and we very quickly found out the best way to
do it is let them be them. They're going to
(08:22):
have a stack of Dan's got a stack of notes,
you know, a foot high, shoved into Manila envelopes. They
don't refer to any of their notes. That's something extremely
important for you guys to understand and remember. They are
not working off of notes.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Well, they're subject matter experts. They've had four years to
stew over this whole thing, and they know in their
heart and in their brain what they saw, and it
wasn't what the government said they saw. They saw murders
of Ashley Babbitt. Well they did see him, but we
have seen video of murders of Ashley Babbitt and Roseanne
(09:05):
Boilin and two other gentlemen who had heart attacks, possibly
due to being hit by rubber bullets. Joshua Black got
his cheek blown out, and he went to prison like
the next day. How is he getting thrown in prison
when he's attacked? Look up Color Revolution. I always keep
it handy. The Color Revolution often nonviolent protests, but not
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all the time, accompanying attempted or successful changes in government
and society, especially after an election.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
How about that?
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Or to change one change the direction of one state department? CIA,
that's their deal.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, Okay, usaid. That's what they do to change governments
around the world. They tried to do it here.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
All right, we're going to go to break in about
two minutes. You then have three minutes on a commercial
break to get back in front of your TV with
a notepad and a pen or a pencil, and you
need to start taking notes because this will be like
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going to a college course, a master's degree in January sixth,
and they're going to pack it into an hour and
forty five minutes. And then what do you do? Then
you start reaching out to your congress people, your senators,
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anybody that you can in the Trump administration, and you
figure out a way to get these two guys flown
to DC first class this time and not on con
air to meet with Cash Fattel, Pam Bondi, Representative Louderman,
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Dan Bongino, not their aids, not their assistance, the real deal.
We're going to send you the real deal. The real
deal needs to show up for the conversation that.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Needs to be had with these two.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Gentlemen, Dar Caldwell, Dan Caldwell, Oh yeah, share the living
daylights out of this, Dan Caldwell, United States Marine Jeff
mcallup US Army Special Forces. Doesn't get any better than that.
Doesn't get any better than that. Ladies and gentlemen, get
ready to be educated by the subject matter experts of
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January seventh story.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Hello everybody, Welcome back to Cowboy Logic. My name is
Daniel Caldwell and I'm a United States Marine.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
My name is Jeff McKellop, retired US Army Special Forces,
and we are here to talk to.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
You today about January six and we have been.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
No you know, yes, it's been two years since we've
ate a cupcake together.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
It has been man, we had a celibratory cupcake, man,
right before you left. We were saving that thing for
about three months because they were hard to get a
hold of.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
It's it's good to see bro.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Too, Man, it's good.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
It is man. Dan and I were bros. We got
together quite a bit and C two B. We shared
a lot of information with January sixth about our friends
and family and things like that. And we actually, just
like in any POW situation, you grow attached to another
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inmate or a prisoner of war and you maintained the
levity and always the site beyond sight of getting out
of there, and we helped each other get through a
lot of hard times.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
A lot of hard times, man. I just you know,
we've always said that when we came back to this,
that we would always find a way to get back together.
And this is it. And what better way to do
this than for us to get together and explain to
you guys what we have been begging for for four years,
which is to be heard and to speak the truth
about what we saw. And in order to do that,
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we have to talk about the forty six thousand hours
of video, all right, and how we came about that
and the challenges we faced getting to that, having it,
and then dealing with it at the back end. So
just real quick, this is kind of what happens when
you get access to a bunch of videos and you
need to start preparing for your case. This is all
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notes forse case notes and video notes now.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
B vised is that Dan and I when we got
together in the begin we both started sharing notes and
walking down Well, let's backtrack a little bit and talk
about how we came across this information and then we'll
start going into our discovery. But before this, I want
to reiterate, We've been waiting four years to tell you
people exactly what happened. I have been called trader, terrorist, insurrectionist, communist.
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All these names are racial slurs. Because of the information
that we knew and we were trying to get it out.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Our attorneys would not look at.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Any of it, and they said, oh, just take the
plea deal, just take the plea deal, just.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Be done with it.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
Well, we're done with it, and we're done with them,
and now it's time for the truth, and we're going
to back this truth up with video.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
We would not be here without the hard work of
everybody's out there support us, and the advocates for pardons,
and of course God and Donald Trump forgetting us here.
So I do want to say that thank you. We
wouldn't be here in this capacity without that.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Thank all of you for supporting me and my family.
My children are so thankful, even though they can't be here.
It brings tears to my eyes.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
The support that came out and the funding for those
attorneys that failed us. We put fourth money out of
good faith and they failed.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
So here we go.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I guess let's kind of talk about how how you
got to DC jail all right, you know my experiences.
I was picked up from work at four thirty in
the morning. It was the last time I saw my
family for four years. So you shuffled around. In my case,
I came from Texas. You were kind of close to Virginia, right,
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so yeah, kind of close.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Here, so mil in Virginia.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I think I hit Collin County Jail. Then I went
to Fanning County Jail, and then I went to Grady
County Jail. Then I went on conn Air. We landed
in Harrisburg and ended up in the DC Jail and
I got there March twenty fifth, and you were already
there when I got there.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Yes, I was. As soon as I saw my face
on the video.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
I got fired from my job, lost my security clearance,
all my money, my home, everything. FBI told me to
stay at my house and then when they called me.
I was in jail around March thirteenth, in the DC
goolog where Dan and I met each other. We were in
solitary confinement for about three months, two three months, just one.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Hour out and you had a choice.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
You either shower, get on the phone, or get on
the kiosk and order some food. And I didn't have
any money for food, so I didn't get any so
my obstions were down to two.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
So like when you talk about solitary confinement, when we
first got there, we were in quarantine pot which is
C two A and it was twenty three to one.
But we were in solitary confinement for two years because
we were housed in our own cells for multiple hours,
at least nineteen hours a day. Whenever they the best.
Whenever I left, it was nineteen in a five out.
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That was the that was the rules and conditions. But
leading up to that, it was solitary confinement for two
years because you know, you were in yourself for nineteen
to twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
There were about five books to pass around too, and
needless to say, they were DC oriented.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
As you talk about this, Jeffy, and we're sitting here
and we talk about all that time. During that time,
you know, the courts, that process keeps going on. So
you're talking about speedy rights trial. You're talking about your
rights to speedy right or speedy trial, and so we
didn't we let's talk about when we actually started getting discovery.
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You start having to go through status hearings and every
time you're like, oh, I gotta wave my right to
speedy trial because you don't have discovery. You know, let's
talk about how we end up getting this discovery and
how we got access to this. It wasn't just because
they were going to be nice to do it. We
got access to this evidence dot Com action on database
that had every Capitol video and everybody warned camera for
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every police department that pated in. It was on there.
And it didn't happen until probably eleven months in. You know,
we were just about to hit twenty twenty two and
we got access to evidence dot Com. And that was
because they knew that. We kept hearing bond hearings and
we kept on bringing up in status hearings that this
was unconstitutional or our constitutional right to be violated. Fourth
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Amendment for right speedy trial, and you're having to always
delay and delay status seris status sery status hearing because
there's no discovery. You want to fight your trial. We
all wanted to hear. We knew what happened wasn't what
they're saying. If I can just prove it and show
it to them, I could be okay, and I'll go
to trial and feel comfortable with that. Well, they knew
if they let that out that it was going to
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be bad.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Right.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
The only information that we had was our indictment and
whatever information the prosecution had passed through the attorneys.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
And they gave it to us.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
And then one day they gave us this clear tablet
that you can look up case law and watch play
little video games and things like that on. And then
that's when we figured out about, like you said, about
eleven or twelve months later, the evidence dot Com, And
that was just by hearsaying. We're like, we were telling
our attorneys about it. We're like, hey, man, look at
this information.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
They're like, no, no, no, no, no no, I've seen some
video that's not good.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
And then then Dan and I got together and we're like, hey,
look at this, this, this and this, and we started
going down the rabbit hole and there were so many
how many pages There were like twenty three pages and
each page had about twenty names on this on one page.
And then you were able to watch, I mean, anybody
who uploaded information on this website you could watch. We
(20:38):
were watching vehicle pullovers, store robberies, all kinds of anything
that was on a body cam they didn't even have
to do with. January sixth was on this website and
they opened it up to us and I was like, oh,
somebody made a mistake.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
When they opened that up. They just said okay, Well,
they're like because everybody's like, look, you got to let
these guys go. You're keeping them here on pre trot
and finement. There's at a point where it comes to
The judges knew that it's coming to the point to
where they weren't going to be able to stand on
this is an insurrection because there are constitution rights to
be violated. So they had to force the prosecution and
the government to give us this access right. And when
(21:15):
they did, we didn't know what we had. And you know,
there's a whole learning curve to understand exactly how to
use this thing because it is vast. Like I said,
there's twenty three hundred pages of one hundred per page,
and some of them were three four eight hour body
cam videos.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
So multiple videos with one individual.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Just wanted to get the understanding of what this little
portal looked like. It was a massive, massive and it
was you know, so.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Just we we spent night.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
How did you first find the first officer to go
look at.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
So I looked up, are we going to use names?
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Well, let's just say you got.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
It, okay.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
So I took the officer that was directly involved with yes,
and we started at the edge of the rabbit hole,
and I watched his body cam footage and then I
was like, oh my god. I was really scared at first,
and I was like I didn't know what to do,
and we knew what to say, and then all of
a sudden, I watched another officer walk right by him,
wrote down that name, and then I watched his body
cam footage, and then we just started seeing. And then
(22:12):
Dan and I got together once again and we're like, hey,
did you notice this? And I looked at that, and
I saw this and this did you see? Oh yeah,
did you see that? We better write these things down
and start talking about it with each other.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
So it came to the points where you have to
start building tools, you know, because it's so vast that
you couldn't do it just writing stuff down. You had
to be able to go. So, like you understand, when
you open this thing up, there was officer names. It
was just to listen names and the time the camera started, right,
and you're like, okay, well, you had to associate a
lot of the videos that we had that came to
(22:46):
us from our lawyers was just a video and it
was just a body cam number. So you had x
sixty thirty nine b LA, Right, Okay, well who is
this guy? It doesn't show that anywhere on this database.
So you actually had to go through each video and
write the officer's name of the video and his body
cam number and make a database that way. You knew
(23:08):
that between eleven o'clock in the morning til about two
forty five in the afternoon, I have fourteen pages of
front and back of officers names and body cams. And
that made it a lot easier for us to go
and say. Jeff's like, hey, man, you know who officer
backshow is. I'm like, yeah, hold on a second, and
I pull out this list and next thing you know,
it's like backshaws camera, what's the camera number?
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Hey, before we go down that rabbit hole, let's uh
take a quick break.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Yeah, we'll take a quick break and stuff.
Speaker 7 (23:35):
I apologize, yeah, and then we'll we could show him
some more paperwork and stuff and we'll go down there
and we'll do that.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Do that?
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Come right back. Thank you very much. Welcome back everybody.
(24:17):
My name is Jeff McKillop.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Daniel right, we'd like to thank you and thank the
host of this unprecedented national media outlet of Cowboy Logic
to allow us to come in here and actually take
over and host the show and get our meaning out,
our word out that we have been trying to tell
for the last four years. We are begging and pleading
(24:40):
to get before Congress, but we have not allowed to
set that stage just yet. But our time is coming.
So Dan and I are here today and we're going
to finish this up.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
And so let's go back to where we've were, like
if we're kind of building up notes and how we
kind of started building up this notes and the stacks
and how are you utilizing evidence dot Com? And you know,
as we start building the notes, you start noticing, you
start talking to other people because we all had access
to the same thing, right, So it's funny you go
out there and like Ryan Nichols come up next to Hey,
(25:13):
did you see this video? You should look at this.
It was over in your area from what you were explaining.
So you go down that rabbit hole and then he's
seen the same thing that I saw. And then there
was one point where we were talking personally and it
was like, Jeff, what happened to you when they hit
my girl downstairs with this? And I responded, you know,
because they were beating up a woman. I'm like, man,
I did the same thing.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Where was that right?
Speaker 1 (25:33):
And I showed my video because I kind of found
my video and he're like, well, that was at this time.
Mine was fifteen minutes later, and it's right here, literally
ten feet away from where I was at fifteen minutes later.
Here is the same officers, same m over. The officers
and how they're treating the crowd. Happened to you and
(25:54):
the lady that was involved in your incident?
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Right?
Speaker 7 (25:56):
It was completely unbelievable, But we were all on the
West Terrace and we started to figure out within the videos,
almost everybody in C two B, cell Block two Bravo,
we were in the same area all at once, like
they took a snapshot and just went after everybody that
wasn't Antifa or BLM or an undercover agent. And that's
when we started mixing and matching, and we got with
(26:18):
other guys that were going down the same road that
were with the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys and
Kim find out there were about six of us that
actually came together and started building the matrix, as it
was called, of the videos that.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
We were watching.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
So we went back and started studying our cases and
we started looking at what was going on, and then
we matched it up with the video and what the
imperfections that we were finding in the video. You know,
the how and the what of what we did and
what they did. Now you need to understand the why
(27:00):
I did things go down the way they did. You
have to watch the before, during, and the after product
of the action that took place. And that's when it
was just it started opening up to us and we
started looking at it into a military perspective.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
You know, it came down to whenever you're starting to
look at it that way. It came down with the
actual prosecution brought up in a couple of the status
hearings was they had given us all access to this
database is evidence dot com and they actually labeled it
these guys are in c TWOB have created a college
of collusion because we were seeing things like you were
saying that were within our case but you can only
(27:40):
search so much. Your case is based off this timeframe
of a window that you did this, and this is
what they're coming after you for. But once you've kind
of addressed your case and you've gotten all the information
that pertains to you and doing all the searches for
the hour you were there, whatever you're finding yourself. It
comes down to is like, Okay, well I'm now going
to go help Jeff Year. I'm not gonna go see
(28:01):
if because I remember seeing Padilla. I took a picture
in Padia get pushed downstairs. I was right there and
let me go and love this thing. Next you know,
I'm down a rabbit hole of somebody else's case. Because
of the stories were the same. It was the cops
beat up on somebody. I responded, and the people that
we were dealing with and see to be that we
all worked with seemed to be veterans, and we all
(28:22):
had that initial instinct to just be like, go, something happened.
This is not right. This is what I was training.
You know, just this this, this is not right. And
you responded to it, and it was what you're starting
to see. You start seeing a vast picture of not
just the area you're in, but the whole line, the
whole Lower West Terrace. And that's what it comes down to,
(28:43):
Jeff when we talked about I've never had training in
this stuff. You know, you've had training and in this
kind of stuff. So you started seeing things in the
crowd based off how you have trained before and what
you were trained to.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Look for, right, and then you started to see the formation.
And like I've always like we've always said together, is
that you never forget the training. You have been trained
in certain things in the military, and that thing comes
to pass later on. Never ever forget your training. And
we started seeing the imperfections and the similarities within the
force that was aggressing against the civilians, and we were
(29:18):
watching their body postures and why they were doing the
things they were doing. But they were being triggered for
no reason whatsoever and forcing violence upon innocent civilians.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
I e.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
The woman that was in front of me when Glenn
Lambardini beat that woman three separate times, throwing her through
the air, her small body, an elderly woman. I AH
and Lieutenant Petera moments before that, sprayed her directly. It
was like two feet away with mace and the woman
was blind and after yeah, and then they hit her
(29:51):
three separate times. After they propped her back up, They're like,
what are you doing? And that was when it triggered
the crowd. And I wasn't the only one that went forward.
There were about fifteen other people that stepped into the mix.
And that was around two twenty twenty five, right before
the entire West Terrace collapsed due to Captain Augustine's actions
(30:14):
with the CS grenade and the facilitation of lack of instruction.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
It's funny how it goes down that other road.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
It's funny how you say lieutenant and captain or whatever.
It's the officers. I think it's very important to understand
that J six had started. Let me get this why
you're in You're starting to see things. You're like, man,
this isn't right. Where are the warnings? Why are they
not telling people to disperse? You know, you start understanding
that where there's no de escalation. And I've said it before,
(30:44):
is like these officers that have perpetrated these on the
crowd when they first got there. You had Glover, you
had Harrington, you had too, you had Hawkins, and you
had Bagshaw. All of them had stowed up and the
first thing they did when they hit the deck was
attack the crowd.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
Tao Tindall, Cresmin Horros, Bagshaw, Augustine Edwards, Riley Lambardini, Smiley, Williams,
and Smith Unfolds the most heinous officers out there of
teams fifty four, sixty four and seventy four of the MPD.
This is the why you need to know why, the actions,
(31:25):
the how and the what took place.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
This is key evidence.
Speaker 7 (31:29):
And just like you just said, I'm going to caveat
on that, you have to watch them when they come
up and take up a position. Let's start with the
Capitol Police and their posture when we first got there,
and then when I was one of two hundred and
fifty on the southwest side of the terroris to come
up there, I didn't touch a single thing. There were
people freaking out, but there were only four Capitol Police
(31:51):
standing there. And once the crowd got up to about
twenty five ish, they're like, they whispered into the mic,
they're coming. They all four took around and ran left
the bicycle racks, left their batons, left everything there and
ran away. And we when we made up our made
our way up to the south, the south side of
(32:12):
the western terrace. There was a natural rock wall brick
wall there with two entrances into the side where you
go up to do the inauguration, and then you have
the scaffolding. There were no police officers there. I take
that back. There were about ten maybe, and they were
still walking, not running, walking down the steps underneath the scaffold.
(32:35):
When people were running up, they got so far up
to the steps that they finally started pushing them back.
Remember that part you want to jump in at any time.
Bro the uh they pushed them all the way back
and this is this is the why they pushed them
all the way back to the edge of the steps
(32:55):
and stopped. There was a natural civilian uh uh, black
railing there that was about waist high.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
That was a natural barrier.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
Why they did not push them all the way off
the steps while they still had the upper hand. Somebody
told them to stop. Somebody told them not to do anything.
And I'm gonna mention some names of the people that
were in the control tower. Get ready, because you're about
to hear yourself.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Let's let's let's save that for a little bit. Let's
come back to coffee. So you know, we started looking
at the college inclusion. We start working together and everybody's
just started like, you know, you're starting to build a case,
all right. So once you start seeing things, you start
identifying things in the crowds, things the cops are doing,
and they're triggering people, you know, so like you're saying,
(33:43):
they triggered people. So whenever you have the the officers
and then when you're watching these videos and the officers
that first show up, you were a sergeant. If if
one of your troops and you're training somebody and they
see you do a certain thing, they're gonna imulate what
you do, right, So if you were escalating the line officer,
thing exactly didn't happen. What they did it was like
(34:04):
they saw the incident. Commander Glover, they saw Captain Harrington,
they saw Lieutenant Hawkins, they saw Sergeant Towell. All four
of those people eds all come down and the first
thing they did was attack the crowd with pepper spray
and mass spray. And one guy actually laughed at the
guy he said, ha ha ha, he sprayed. Harry Jon
had the forty six. He sprays he gets the back
(34:26):
of the Capitol Police guy side of his face. He's like, whoa.
He looks back and he sees the cop and he laughs.
He goes spray him again, and next you know, Harry
just sitting there's just smiles and chuckles and just sprays
another guy for no reason.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Towel's running around just days people. But hey, man.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
I got two c ecms. Look at me, man, this
is cool. Hey, how many ecms did you get today?
Like he's hanging out at a gas and sip on
a Friday night talk talking about chicks. Man, It's just
if I was a private on the line and I
had a certain situation and I looked to the mine
left and right, and I see my captain or my
team sergeant in the mix. I'm gonna go harder. And
(35:02):
it spread just like wildfire over the tops of the trees.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Man.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
And it was game on after that until they lost
complete control of everything. And then you had officers acting
independently of each other. So we'll get we'll get into
that more.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Here's kind of comeback from break. But kind of the
end this thing on this segment is, you know, we've
talked about watching the videos and the College of Collusion,
and it's important kind of remember that because when we
come back, we're gonna talk about identifying the videos a
little bit more and what we.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
Actually identified under undercover agents in the crowd crisis actors, instigators, agitators,
and motivators.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
All right, never forget the training. Thank you very much.
See you're gonna take a break.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Thank you. We'll grab that. Hello, everybody's day in Caldboro. Kevin,
(36:19):
Welcome back to Cowboy Lodgic. You know, I just want
to take another moment to express the gratitude for us
being here today and just the sheer understanding of how
important this is that you know, Calboy Locker hosts Donna
and Donna have given us this opportunity. They have helped
us travel across the country, me from Texas, you from California,
and then from Colorado here to have this opportunity to
(36:41):
speak to you, giving up their seats as hosts for
this show for this one, you know, opportunity to get
what we want to say out and that we felt
it was important. So I want to give thanks to
you guys. This would not happen on any other show,
I think, than in any kind of part of any
any nationally broadcast media show. So thank you, thank you,
(37:04):
thank you, and I want to throw it back to Jeff. Jeff,
we're kind of still we were talking about Evans dot
Com college and collusion, and let's talk about what happened
after we were so successful in coming up with information
and start siminating to our lawyers. In the status series
that we had had started to change. You know, more
bond hearings were coming up because of stuff we were finding.
(37:27):
It's like, look, this is what really happened. This is
what they've been saying is not true. This is what's happened.
So that was the College of Collusion and building this
little database we've we had, and let's talk about what happened.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
So in Serier School Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape se R.
Serier School, they teach you to get your information out,
let people know that you're still alive. We were going
through a pretty rough time to say the least, but
it was Pow level three Pow camp Man. He was
(38:00):
unbelievd by this, the beating. So but they teach you
get your information out by whatever means available, let people
know that you're still alive and that why you were there.
So when we stumbled across just vast amounts of information.
It was unbelievable. When we were trying to tell our
attorneys about it, I started writing these things down and
(38:21):
sending them out into letters to anybody that would listen
to me, because my attorneys weren't. And the next thing
I know it, here come the FBI. And in all
the years of that facility since probably like nineteen forty
nineteen fifty, all the decades that facility has been there,
they'd never seen the FBI come in and raid somebody's sell.
(38:42):
They pulled me out of my cell, handcuffed me to
the railing like a dog and a search and took
anything that looked like a piece of paper had any
writing on it whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
You know, it was kind of real quick to say.
It was kind of weird because the people that were
out before this had happened were out on their normal
schedule time, and it was odd that they were kind
of all kind of putting their cells before their time
was up. So I didn't really till back in until
hindsight twenty twenty that that whole incident that something was
about to happen.
Speaker 7 (39:11):
Right, they corral you up and put the dogs back
in the pins before they come and take one out
because they don't want any dog fighting going on.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
But the point of the matter.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
Is is that the FBI came, which was an unprecedented event,
never seen before by any of the staff, because they
told me about it. After it was all over with,
pulled me out, handcuffed me, took everything I had. Shortly
after that, they shut the telephone off, intercepted all my
incoming and outgoing mail, and cut every piece of communication
(39:43):
off that I had, took my tablet and my black
tablet that I was watching movies on at the time,
and so everybody was coming up to me, and even
the guards and they were like, Jesus, what happened? What
did you do? What did you do? I'm like, I
don't know, man. I wrote some letters to some people
and the next thing you know it, we hit the
nail on the head with the information. That's the only
(40:06):
thing I could think of shut me down.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
You used to call those something very special, and it
was meant something to you. Those are your message in
a bottle.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
Those were my messages in a bottle. Because I'm I'm
alone on this island and you are sending your information out. Man,
You have to get your message out to anybody that
would listen to you. And I started receiving a ton
of fan mail, both of us did. We got tons
of fan mail and I was writing anybody that would listen.
(40:35):
Apparently the FBI were listening to the Fascist Bureau of Intimidation.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Because you know, every every letter that we got in
and sent out and every phone call, and it was
even this way in the BOP we were put on
special monitoring, and even the DC jail, every letter you
wrote had to be read and every letter that came
in had to be read. So they knew. The DELL
didn't really understand it that point, they just whatever, They
just let it go. But it got the point to
where I remember our mail was going to the FBI
(41:03):
before it came to the GEIL, and that was that
was one of the big delays we found. That was
because the FBI was getting every letter coming in before
the jail would get it.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
You can see where it was taped, staple together, copied
and then taped and stapled, and it went down a
long road and it would take about a month month
and a half to get a letter from anybody. There
was no quick response, quick turnaround nothing, and then they
started they started opening up our mail as it was
(41:32):
going out because of my actions, and yeah, it just
had had a domino effect within the cell block.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
So what did what did they leave you with? Whenever
they left? And I remember that was in the sellwer
next to you looking through the window, and I remember
saying a couple of choice words.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
Two.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I think it was like three guys and two females.
You know that that kind of came in, Yeah, and
had done this, and they're just logging stuff, logging stuff,
and you can kind of hear the conversation, what did
they leave you with? As far as they took, even
like personal items that weren't even related to your case,
didn't they just take?
Speaker 5 (42:05):
They took.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
They took anything that had writing on it, anything that
had notes on it, books, books, anything, All of it
was gone. They took all of it, all the paper,
all my tablets, everything. They left the pens and pencils
and that was it. And they took everything. And they
didn't leave me an inventory check sheet, nothing, no search warrant.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
So whenever that came up through and then that you
started like to really start struggling about now, how am
I gonna it got kind of desperate because how if
this happened to him, it's going to happen to all of us.
So the unit's kind of like, oh my gosh, they're
gonna come for me next. How did you and your
lawyer kind of get past this and to try to
re establish Did you get any of your stuff back?
Speaker 7 (42:50):
No, none of it was returned to me. Those were
my notes. They took as many notes almost I almost
had as much as Dan here did. They took all
that And I was begging and pleading because I needed
them for trial. And I kept telling my attorneys, Hey,
you got to recover my notes from the FBI, and
they go, oh, well, the filtered teams got them and
(43:11):
they're going through them right now. And I almost thought
the No. I did think that my attorney was working
with the prosecution against me because of the you were
fighting the DOJ, the jail facility, and with your attorneys,
and it was a three front battle that you cannot win,
and you were destitute for failure. You were destined for failure.
(43:35):
Excuse me the.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
You know I can't.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
I kind of took like a little different approach where
I was very quiet, I mean, I didn't. You know,
it's sad to say that there are I have hundreds
and hundreds of letters, and I intend to get back
to every sing one of those who wrote. But I
didn't really write anybody back because I was so afraid
after that incident, Yeah, that they were going to get involved.
(44:02):
These people wanted to help you. These people were like God,
you know, sending you prayers and stuff, and by doing that,
it's all so scared for them that they're gonna be
injected into our narrative and that they were going to
be looked at. So I tried to minimize my communication
outside of the jail with people, and I'm kind of
glad I did because it allowed me and other people
(44:23):
to kind of maintain this.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
As now we're here out free, and we're able to
now be together like we said we wanted to be
for many many years, Like this is gonna happen one day, Dann,
we'll be back together.
Speaker 7 (44:34):
I've still never recovered any of those items. Nothing, nothing
has ever come back. I tried to give one attorney.
He didn't send me anything.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
He took it. Oh give it big, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (44:45):
He gave me nothing, man, nothing from my case and
I was left to fight the court case alone. After
every single attorney. I went through seven different attorney sets man,
and none of them looked.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
At anything that we wrote down. Nobody. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (45:02):
The uh so, let's uh, let's talk about let's talk
about what led us down the road again and some of.
Speaker 5 (45:11):
The other things that we were finding. You wanna you
wanna expound on that a little bit.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah, So, whenever you start looking at the stuff you
start looking at which we all said is the police
started beating people up, and you know, there were instigated
agitation motivators in the crowd, and those could have been
handled one on one basis because it was only like
one guy or two guys, but you had a line
of police officers and you start looking at everything they
did was against their training, you know. So I started
(45:36):
asking the law Department because we started actually getting help
in the inside of the jail because of all the
inspector generals that we went to and started following complaints
with the US Marshall Service that were being denied access
to to the Law Center legal library that all the
other inmates were, you know, were afforded to, but we weren't.
(45:56):
S C two b J six ers. So I started
requesting use of force reports from twenty twenty one, you know,
of this incident and of the of the MPD, because
my focus was MPD, because I'm a firm believer that
once those cameras, those body warm cameras come out, the
narrative will change. And the government acted like that and
they're still acting like that now. So whenever you start
(46:20):
looking at all this training and stuff, you start seeing
that this is a systemic issue with the MPD. You know,
this isn't something that just happened, and we kind of
brushed on it, you know before on an interview, I
called in and we talked about the events leading up
to January sixth. The metropolit Police Department had practice and
(46:40):
we called it the playoffs to the super Bowl and
January sixth being the Super Bowl. And when you start
looking at the training, you start looking at the use
of force, the system is the systemic issue comes out
and you start seeing this is a cover up, this
is something this isn't right because we were justified in
(47:03):
our actions and we just wanted to be heard. And
I'm telling you, when those videos come out, the narratives
going to change, and they know this, so I do
want to kind of get into that in a little depth,
a little bit, you know, like even a use of
force that I had pulled over. Why don't you read
a quick statement from it is it is policy of
the MPD to provide basic law enforcement service training that
(47:25):
includes extensive de escalation training. I'm asking anybody out there
if you saw any de escalation from any Metropolitan Police department,
had a comment to the show in the Barn, it
didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
You know.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
There was no warnings, there was no justification for what
they did. They could have handled any of the instigators agitators.
But you know what, we'll get right back to this cement.
Thank you, No.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Fucking I feel fast.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
On the problems at the drum Barn party.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Man.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
Just these guys are rocking. This is awesome. Thank you guys.
Speaker 7 (49:50):
Oh my god, it's the Z Is that yours on
my phone? That's the Zen phone. Hold on a second,
thank you mister Zen for calling in. Sorry about that?
Oh what this in Phoe?
Speaker 5 (50:00):
Good afternoon, sir. How are you?
Speaker 7 (50:02):
Oh it's mister Zelensky, sir.
Speaker 5 (50:05):
How did you get this number?
Speaker 7 (50:06):
This is unauthorized and you're you're coming in broken and stupid.
That third world communication system of yours. Oh what did
I watch the meeting? Oh yeah I did. Man, you
look like that tool. Oh my god. And that Chinese
knockout five eleven nightmare you were wearing. Did Hillary Clinton dress.
Speaker 5 (50:29):
You that day? You sissy? Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (50:33):
What?
Speaker 5 (50:33):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (50:34):
No, no, no, I'm not going to make any donations
to the Democrat Party.
Speaker 5 (50:38):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (50:40):
Hey, man, I got a story to do here. Hey,
I'll just have your people get with mine. Man, I'll
call you later later. Oh my god, dude, that was
a zeph Nobody gets that number.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Man, that's like the presidential phone almost.
Speaker 7 (50:53):
Oh my god, hold on, man, that destroyed my whole composure.
Let's pull it back together. What do you got for
us today? Again?
Speaker 3 (51:02):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Think you guys come back for the bar party. You're
glad we give you a little laugh about something like that.
Speaker 5 (51:05):
But just.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
We want to talk about the case history of the
MPD and like as we talked about that January sixth
was the super Bowl. You know, the case history is there.
If you look at any case, you can go on
anywhere and type up MPD. Use the force you go
to see multiple, multiple lawsuits. This is not a one
off incident with with MPD. This is a systemic issue
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and it just happens to be that, you know, the
use of force that we saw and we kept seeing
and seeing a scene had exacerbated over the day, you know,
and you would think that the de escalation training that
they're supposed to have gotten would it would would precedent
over when they show up using use of force. But
(51:50):
you made a comment while we're kind of off here
talking about this about Tyndall and when she first arrived. Yes,
let's go ahead and go and go into it.
Speaker 7 (52:00):
So when we're watching her load her bag, like I said,
when you go down the rabbit hole, you start watching
what they're doing, and you start watching the physical actions.
Remember you know the how and the what, you need
to know the why, and you need to watch people's
reactions and you need to watch how they move when
they're doing certain things, and those will be key to
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their demeanor on how they feel about the product that
they're about to expose. So I watched Tara Tindall's body
cam footage from start to finish, from the time she
woke up that day to the time she went to sleep.
And I watched her load that bag.
Speaker 5 (52:36):
Of munitions, remember that.
Speaker 7 (52:38):
And they use Jason Christman as a mule to carry
all that crap in there.
Speaker 5 (52:43):
And I watched her talk to Sergeant.
Speaker 7 (52:46):
James Jason Jason j Well anyway, chrismin Man, they all
sound the same anyway.
Speaker 5 (52:53):
So I watched her.
Speaker 7 (52:57):
Take the forty millimeters grenade launcher and and ask Sara
Edwards do I have permission to shoot this weapon?
Speaker 5 (53:04):
And he said yes, shoot it right over there.
Speaker 7 (53:07):
She ran directly into the crowd, direct lay with that
weapon system and blasted a man in the chest. Where
that man is I have no idea reloaded. And she
was so nervous about this weapon system that she kept
checking the condition of the weapon system, check the safety,
open the breach, pull the round out, put it back in,
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close the breach, check the safety, and this kept going
on and on. That shows improficiency with the weapon system
because she was so nervous to hold it.
Speaker 5 (53:36):
And that goes on with the other officers.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
As she got to that point. I want to make
a very key point here is in any of the
training in the DC code that you can look up
DC code, use of for's First Amendment assemblies in their
training is they are not allowed to use less lethal
force as a dispersal agent, right first a crowd, That
(54:01):
is exercise and First Amendment right, all right. So when
they first arrived, Chrispin had his fourth Mark forty six
as he dumped them, tailegraved them. But Tendall's standing there.
Speaker 5 (54:12):
He had a bag full of them.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
So in Glover you clearly hear it on the radio communications. Yes,
he's like, Tendall, clear them out. That is a dispersal
order to clear them out, and using her les lethal
forty millimeters grenade launcher, she launches into the crowd ammunitions
as a dispersal agent. I just want to get that
point clear because that was the again leadership right, directing
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right off the bat, not de escalation, escalation and breaking policy.
Speaker 5 (54:42):
Right.
Speaker 7 (54:43):
If I was a private on the firing line and
there was a bunch of weapons out there, and I sorry,
said you're a half at it, it's gonna be a heyday.
I'm going to use everything I possibly can to destroy everything.
And that's exactly what they did. And they brought people,
They brought MPD officers one line and gave them whatever
they wanted and unleashed them onto the crowd, and it
(55:05):
was a gigantic training day. There was no commanded control,
There was no orchestration that didn't utilize any protocol whatsoever
for crowd control or crowd dispersion. There was no l
RAZ until around twelve two five, fourteen oh five, fourteen ten.
And I only heard that because it was on somebody
(55:25):
else's body cam footage you I can't remember. And they
only played it for ten minutes and shut that off.
And by that time it was only on the north side.
You couldn't even hear anything.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
So everybody was watching the video and I think Samsel
was kind of there, and it shows like they just
opened the line. You hear like, okay, everybody open up.
The police line opens up, she comes in, fires backs off,
the line closes back up. But do you know it
was during that time between her and when Glover had
his forty millimeters, which he's not trained to use, you
(55:55):
should never. They're having to show him how to load it,
and they're feeding rounds this later on.
Speaker 5 (55:59):
None of those people were authorized to fire those.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
But there was a J sixer there who had been
severely wounded by a baton round that they just kind
of opened the crowd and shot and roved back. And
it was the gentleman I had read in a publication,
and I'm gonna say which one it was that broke
his thigh. It broke his femur, right, and he didn't
know it because his pants got so swollen tight. But
that was using that round and that les leave the
(56:22):
force in a deadly manner, point blank range into somebody's thigh.
The impact that that can have on you to break
your thigh bone.
Speaker 7 (56:30):
Right, Let's talk about more crowd dispersion with Sergeant Riley
man and what he was doing. I tried to watch
his bodycam footage, but it was clearly underneath his jacket
that he had zipped up all the way. And you
have Sergeant Riley on multiple body cam footage a multitude
of people. He's in it to win it. This guy
(56:53):
was on cocaine or methamphetamines or something because he was
beating overhand lethal lethal overhand strikes. These are cracking skulls
and he is beating. He is stabbing with the butt
end of his baton and overhand striking to the head
and to the legs, to the torso all over the place,
and not one time did he look back and say, hey, man,
(57:17):
what do we need to do to get rid of
this crowd. We just need to run in and just
start beating it. And as soon as he showed up
on the scene, it was game on with this guy.
Speaker 1 (57:27):
Did you know that every officer that had used use
of force is required to do a force incident report
and not one of those reports and any discovery on
the PDF files showed that they would use excessive force.
Everything was justified. And if you watch some of the
vitos when they come out, and they will, there's nothing
(57:49):
that justifies beating a woman with a shield or pepper sprainer,
then shield nerve downstairs or elders or anybody.
Speaker 7 (57:59):
You have lieutenants, captains and majors taking orders from subordinates
that were completely out of control, telling them what to do, sir,
And that's that man right there.
Speaker 5 (58:11):
Get him.
Speaker 1 (58:11):
Same video of two and Edward's talking with the assistant
police chief who was on scene. He shows up and
they're like, you know, we've tried pain compliance. It's not working.
I think there's that video has been out for a
little while. We've done everything we can we start taking
it's not working. We go after one, we make ten
of them mad. That's a huge statement. You hit one
person that you should be going after, but you usually
(58:33):
use the force in such a manner that your stingballs
is hill in the crowd affects ten people. You've now
injured ten people. What do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 5 (58:41):
Sergeant too says these things, but then he goes on.
Speaker 7 (58:43):
He ends up tackling a woman up on the upper
terrace in flex Kaft for no reason, when everybody was
leaving the building. It was around seventeen hundred dish up there,
and her boyfriend's just screaming, why are you doing this?
What did you do?
Speaker 5 (58:57):
Oh? She spit on me?
Speaker 7 (58:58):
And then he grabs he grabs a taser. The thing
is winding down and people are leaving. He runs up
and grabs somebody else's taser, runs out into the crowd.
Zap's A guy reloads the cartridge, shoots another man with it,
and the only person that tried to stop him and
slow him down was Lieutenant Horras. How do I know
this because I watched his body camp footage and he
(59:21):
made taw give back the taser the man was a
one man wrecking ball.
Speaker 1 (59:25):
Do you how do you have eight bodycam videos by yourself?
How is that possible? You have to stop the body
cam So if you watch the bodycam videos in Wintao
and the little group of people in the DSOs, We're
gonna talk about this real quick when we come back.
But it's pretty shocking and it shouldn't happen. I think
the policy says that it should not happen.
Speaker 7 (59:45):
There's a repetition for this training. Welcome back to Cowboy
(01:00:19):
Logic once again. This is unprecedented. With Dan and I
have taken over the comm system of a media outlet,
a mogile media outlet, and we thank you very much
for this opportunity. And we're going to get started because
there's so much information that needs to be put out.
We have watched it all. I will stand before the
eyes of God and testify the bodycam footage is what
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we're now went on and we're going to talk about
some of the bodycam footage and the fall of the
West Harrace and why that took place.
Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
So we kind of left Conan the break. We were
talking about multiple body cam footage and how is it
that that's an officer has eight different start stops, eight
different bodycam videos. When you look at okay, a bodycam video,
you see, officers is a three hour video. You have
one that has thirty minutes, forty minutes, an hour, an hour,
an hour, an hour, and every time and you watching
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their body cam, they hit stopped because they're having a
conversation that they don't want anbi us to hear exactly
how to attract the crowd. What they just did that
was probably highly illegal. Horrors and towel at one point, yeah,
had turned off because okay, everybody, we all hear, we
all hear turn it off. But guess who didn't turn
their camera off on this little incident, Oh Edwards, mister
(01:01:35):
Edwards again. And it was them saying we shouldn't gas them.
This is after the fall of the West Terrace. This
was already up there. Let lower West Hairs has already fallen.
You've already gassed the crowd, You've already done all this
stuff to people out there. But now you had to
retreat up here because you gassed yourself. Right, talk about
the the the gassing, the fall of the West Terrace
(01:01:57):
and how it came about.
Speaker 7 (01:01:58):
So two fifteen, two o'clock two fifteen ish. They were
They were just shooting and throwing anything, steger balls, handheld gas,
forty millimeter projectiles. But the problem was they started running
into short rounds. And a short round is when the
projectile goes out, it doesn't go to its maximum effective range.
(01:02:22):
It falls short because of the powder, it was wet
or bad firing mechanism or something like that. So one
round goes what was that officer's name again, Corey, Corey,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Mccrey said, Hey, I don't have a camera record this.
Speaker 7 (01:02:35):
Yeah, he's like, check this out, take pictures of me. Man,
I put this on GQ, And that's exactly what it was,
was a GQ photo shoot.
Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
And he gets up there, posters up, shoots around.
Speaker 7 (01:02:45):
It goes about twenty feet in front of him, and
they try to kick it around. Now, mind you backtrack.
There is a line of officers. There's got to be,
oh my god, about one hundred officers maybe maybe more
out there trying to stave the flow of people because
they don't have proper protection or they just weren't prepared
(01:03:05):
for it in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
They were now.
Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Crowd the crowd right. It was highly agitated because they
recited because.
Speaker 7 (01:03:12):
Now they've got CS gas deployed right behind them. And
then there was another one, and where they kicked that
when I can't remember. I didn't see it on the camera,
but I watched another one go into the crowd. The
crowd picked it up and threw it right back, and
here comes my man. Instead of maintaining command and control,
he decides, with a gloved hand which he never used,
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decides to kick the canister of CS all the way
down the line of officers. Captain Augustine, thank you very
much for single handedly taking down the entire West Terrace.
You kicked that CS canister all the way down, gassing
yourself to a point of incapacitation, waxing all those people
(01:03:59):
I counted just on your video camera. Thirty seven officers
walked away, gave it the double barrel middle finger, and
said I am done with this riot.
Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Later to be called They thought they were set up, right, Oh.
Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
We were set up.
Speaker 7 (01:04:15):
Somebody said fall back, No nobody could breathe or see anymore,
and all the crowd did. Because there were no more
officers to hold the line. They stepped forward and that
was the fall of the West Terrace at two twenty
five in the afternoon, and violence and everything broke out then,
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and the and the police officers had to retreat and
they got bottlenecked into the doorway they went. Instead of
taking the stairs, No, they just took a single doorway
where they all crowded into it, which took it forever
to get through, and they never made it up to
the top of the West Terrace until around three o'clock
(01:04:56):
in the afternoon, fifteen hundred in the afternoon, they decided
to start taking a stand and I remember around seventeen
hundred a colonel, Oh, wait a minute, God, there's so
much Let's go back and talk about some of the
items that were found into the crowd.
Speaker 5 (01:05:13):
And this leads me to believe that the under for
the fall, this was right right before about you.
Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
This is after the gassing.
Speaker 7 (01:05:19):
The around two fourteen, one hundred thirteen thirty somewhere right around.
Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
There was the line fell. Like two twenty five was
when the line started pushing back to twenty seven to
twenty eight. It was within a couple minutes that so
right around.
Speaker 7 (01:05:36):
Because it was twenty five, because it was on the
body camp footage after Tao, Augustine and Bagshaw were in
a heated discussion trying to figure out what they wanted
to do in life, and they all three of them
came running down the steps damn near holding hands with
each other, skipping, and then they ran into the crowd
and then Bagshaw moves underneath. This is haul on video
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people and you see three five to eleven Nightmare guys
standing in the corner with their arms around the MPD,
laughing and giggling. I wonder who they are undercover agents?
And then Bagshawe runs around and you're watching it on
his bodycam footage. There is a gun in the crowd
Smith and Wesson nine millimeter in the waistband Holster kaitex
(01:06:23):
that says, we the people on the holster backtrack to
one of our segments that said you have to watch
the video and then you go back and you look
at it frame by frame, because it happens so fast
on video, you will miss it. And he picks this
thing up and puts it in his pocket.
Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
So that gun had been kicked from a circle of people.
Speaker 5 (01:06:43):
There were a bunch of people yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Slid to him. He just very quickly grabs it and
takes control of this. Now remember watching I want to
say it might be Fold, Officer Fold's bodycam that was
in there. And now remember there was a guy in
the crowd and he's wearing the five lot of stuff
like you're saying yes, and the gun falls and I
remember him kind of like holding people back. Yeah, he goes,
(01:07:05):
I lost my gun, and he's like catching yourself. He goes,
there's a gun.
Speaker 5 (01:07:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
So it looked like it was very incon very conveniently
just kind of placed down there barrier. Oh look, there's
a gun.
Speaker 7 (01:07:18):
I'm not going to go into theatrics about that, but
you don't lose all three items. And they also recovered
a pistol nine milimeter haullowpoint uh magazine magazine fully loaded.
You don't lose the pistol in the waistband and then
the magazine on top of each other in the middle
of a crowd like that, there is no possible way.
The gun will fall out first and everybody will see
(01:07:41):
that and then you back away. That's in the waistband
holster where they wanted somebody to pick that weapon system
up and start deploying it before the end of the day.
So they could actually say it was an armed insurrection.
And then I wonder what Captain Bagshawe did. Oh, I remember, Yes,
he found and his commander up on one one tier
(01:08:03):
up and he handed that thing off. Didn't say a word.
It was like some sort of understood nod or something.
Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
And if you find a gun, and I'm the m
it's just a chief that's out there, and and i'm
your superior, superior, right, and you come and give me
a gun, I'm going to say.
Speaker 5 (01:08:20):
Like, Mike, oh my god, where did you get this?
Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
This?
Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Whose is this?
Speaker 5 (01:08:23):
Yes? No, where did you find that?
Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
And I think we've probably got some footage of this
that we'll show later. Is just the transition from here.
Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
To nothing, no word spoken.
Speaker 7 (01:08:32):
Like a like, and he passed that off and you
never heard of it again.
Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
This little trap didn't work. Just just put it up.
It was a plant.
Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
We the people, right.
Speaker 7 (01:08:41):
They try to make it look like some patriot put
it up there, but you don't. I don't know how
many scenarios I've done within the waistband holsters.
Speaker 5 (01:08:48):
The gun will fall out.
Speaker 7 (01:08:49):
The gun falls out when you're getting out of the car,
the gun falls out when you're getting in the car.
The gun falls out when you're when you're wrestling around,
but the holster always stays. That thing is on almost
cemented to your side, and you have to pull it
all out. But to find the holster and the gun
married together is almost damn near impossible. You don't do it.
The thing was a plant, and then they came up
(01:09:11):
with the knife later on. That smocks Nicks. So the
thing was a setup. Augustine, Bagshot, Tau, Tendall, Crisman, Harrows,
and the rest of them.
Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Man naming these officers, it's funny. I just want to
real quick say that. You know, as I was doing
my notes and stuff before, I kind of made a
special sheet and I don't know why I did it,
but I put goon Squad. And just as I'm watching
all these videos for months and hours and hundreds of hours,
this list builds. It's Glover, it's Harrington, it's Augustine, it's Tau.
This is before you and I.
Speaker 7 (01:09:42):
This is before we came together. And then names are.
Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Bagshaw, Caldwell, Dockett, Bogner, Alito, Harrington, Voltson, Folds, Forester, McAllister.
Excellent horros.
Speaker 7 (01:09:55):
When you start looking at their history and the things
that they have done throughout their career. In the NPD,
you will see the repetition of the crimes being committed
by these people and being covered up by the higher echelon.
Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
A lot of these people belong to SOD Special Operations
Division within MPD in the DSO, which is the Domestic
Special Operations. They're Special Operations for a reason. These guys
are the same people who have been named in Monomo's
lawsuits Tyndall, Chrisman, Daal Glover, and all the other lawsuits
(01:10:32):
that we've looked at before. They're the same. It's the
same people, the same divisions within MPD. They have specific issues,
and I just wanted to kind of we talked about
it for but I wanted to really kind of just
you and I on the same path. And I actually
have goon squad, and we keep naming the same officers.
Speaker 7 (01:10:48):
And look at the mine right, and look at the
body camps man. When you watch these things, these guys
are disappearing for a while. They'll go downstairs and they'll
just hang out with their other officers. If officers were
dying that day and people were being beat to death,
why are these guys going downstairs to prip their hair
or splash water on them.
Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Fail.
Speaker 5 (01:11:05):
Oh man, it's really crazy out there. This is we're
having a good time.
Speaker 7 (01:11:08):
And that is on Oh Augustine's bodycm footedge and Williams.
Where did William or Smiley even Smiley? After she got
done puke and green bile, she went downstairs and that
was the end of her for the rest of the day.
And she went down there and started bsing with their friends.
Oh yeah, this is really really amazing cell phone communications
(01:11:29):
with their boyfriends. The list is into us. The female
in the bathroom, they didn't even bother deleting her body
camp footage. They put that on another guy's Discovery and
he showed that. Remember that she goes into the bathroom,
She's like checking herself, checking her bit.
Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
I'm like, what the hell is this thought? Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Back in Hey, welcome back to Cowboy Logic. This is Daniel.
Speaker 5 (01:12:22):
I'm Jeff.
Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
We just want to welcome you back and again to
again as we go through this process, just the feelings
and stuff we're having and the gratitude for Donna, Donna
to last, thank you. This is this is a dream
and this is only the start, and we will accomplish
the goal. But you know, we'll get into that another
segment here later on. So we kind of left and
we're talking about the fall of the West Terrace. Uh,
(01:12:47):
there came a stance of you know, the tunnel became
the stance of this. This was the final I don't
know how you say it. This was the final interaction
between MPD, Capitol Police and the crowd.
Speaker 5 (01:13:03):
Right.
Speaker 7 (01:13:03):
I want to thank Captain Augustine once again for the
fall of the West Terriff.
Speaker 5 (01:13:07):
Thank you, Sarah. You did a really wonderful job that day.
Speaker 7 (01:13:09):
So we're talking about the winding down. This is later
on in the afternoon. There's so much information it's unbelievable,
and I like to get back to something really quick.
I want you to fact check me. I want you
to check my information. Everything I say is gospel. Dan
and I together, we are biblical man, and I want
you to fact check us. And we're going to get
(01:13:31):
into the uh into the tunnels right now. And what
happened with Ashley Babbitt, Roseanne Boiling and Ashley Babbitt, names
that I will never forget as long as I live,
because I watched their murder, their assassination on video.
Speaker 5 (01:13:47):
We'll start with We'll start with Roseanne.
Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Boiling Morris, So we kind of talk about.
Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
That officers involved more.
Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
We we know they had guessed the crowd. Yeah, and
people had become affixiated because you're in this tunnel and
there's a lot of people and impd's forcing out crowds
standing there and you can't push back because the crowd
is just it's becomes a push a war now to
war a push a war. So rosee Bullen became incapacitated
because of being gassed. If I'm almost certain that that's
(01:14:20):
what happened.
Speaker 7 (01:14:21):
Right, She was a heavy, She was slightly heavy, maybe
had an underlying condition or something like that, but the
body can't handle that kind of stress for such a
long period of time. I'm not a medic, nor am
I a PA or anything like that. Used to be
a communications geek, but I've seen enough people fall out
from exertion countless times. And what happened she went down.
(01:14:43):
You could see on the video and correct me if
I'm wrong. Dan, You see her hands going up. And
I watched this. Officers close proximity or had a hand
in it. Were Morris, Pale, Hodges Venn officer one two
to two five, and there were two other I used
to these notes I used to have, but the the
FBI took him. Thank you the uh. So you see
(01:15:04):
her hands go up, she falls to the ground Lyla
Morris once again, man, I bet if you fact check
her and look at her history, she'll have cases up
the wazoo of violence in lawsuits against her. Started beating
this woman when she was on the ground, people protecting her,
and the violence of action keeps going with the other
officers kicking her.
Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
So again a use of force, an excessive use of
force because there was a stick that was provided and
she's beaten. Roseanne boiling as she's laying down with a stick.
And this was this is verifiable because Mac, you know,
there were several people that were of in the c
to Sea to be pod with us that were at
that incident that triggered them to do what they did.
Speaker 5 (01:15:47):
Right, they were standing right next to her.
Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
So as we're looking at that and you have multiple
people who had the same story, Jay Sixers, I was
doing this. I was doing this. This is what I
saw is what I saw. What I saw. You start
coming to this excessive use of force, but this was investated. This,
this incident with Lyla Morris was investigated. It was investigated.
And it's funny you mentioned who our buddy.
Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
Oh let me guess once again, the fall of the
West Terrace.
Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
David Augustine of the Metropolitan Police.
Speaker 5 (01:16:13):
Department, Thank you, mister Augustine.
Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
During investigation quote and I'm gonna read this quote real quick.
The use of force within this investigation was determined to
be objectively reasonable. And this is the one investigation with
Lyla Morris and the beating of Roseanne Boiland with a stick. Uh,
I don't know how that could be objectively reasonable reasonable.
Speaker 7 (01:16:34):
This is the same officer later on that night on
video talking about filing lawsuits against Jay six Ers with
Captain Bagshaw later on that evening making false claims of PTSD, TBI, strike, fear,
sleep apnea, permanent body disfigurement.
Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
So the use of force, it always comes down to
use of force. Again, the use of force, use of force,
us to force and this wasn't known things. This was
the fall the West Terrace and that happened there. But
let's also talk about Ashley Babbitt, Michael Burden.
Speaker 5 (01:17:06):
Yes, so.
Speaker 7 (01:17:09):
Real quick, with Roseanne Boiling is that wonder why they
burned the body so quickly, and they said that she
died of a methamphetamine overdose. Where's the family, where's the outcry,
where's the follow on information?
Speaker 5 (01:17:22):
Where was it?
Speaker 7 (01:17:22):
They drugged the body into the back of the hallway
like a rag man and then dumped her off, and
then you what was that officer's name that walked by?
He's like, oh, is that one of ours? And they're like, no,
that's a crowd. Yeah, he's out FM. Man did forget it? Man,
let's keep going.
Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
This context is is as you just said, that's want
to clarify, they are still doing.
Speaker 5 (01:17:44):
CPR dark pressure CPR.
Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Minutes minutes in a long while past this, And this
is a This is a disgusting police department who once
at this time had bragged about at least we got
to throw some hands. Yeah, anybody knows what throwing hand is.
That that's fighting. And the other officer, that's real quick,
kind of off tangent. But I had to say this
is he's on body cam. The other officer. He's telling
us too, like dude body bragging about being able to
(01:18:10):
punch other writers and bragging about so he's the one
that walks by, sees them doing this, asked another officer, Hey,
is that one of us? Or is that one of them?
And that officer said, oh, that's one of them. He's
like fet and walks right on by.
Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
Fact check it.
Speaker 7 (01:18:25):
So we're gonna go into Ashley Babbitt. This is I
met her mother one day and that was a tear
jerking moment. And I watched the video twice and that
was enough for me to convince me that that that
thing was set up from the get go. And you
had yeah, you had people breaking glass.
Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
And stuff like that. You want me to go into
theatrics and.
Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
So what I stick to what you were? What this guy?
Speaker 5 (01:18:49):
All? Right? So you see you see the setup.
Speaker 7 (01:18:53):
There was a hand in arm signal or a call
that came out, and there were two officers standing on
one side of the doorway and there were other officers behind.
If you were behind once again the line of officers,
you get flex cuffed. But this wasn't happening because the
door was there, and you had people were praising self.
Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Two police are standing right behind right right.
Speaker 7 (01:19:13):
They're standing directly behind her, and more people, more officer
They disappeared, They fell back because there was a hand
in arm signal or a call came out and you
couldn't and you're like, where'd they go? And all of
a sudden, you see Michael Bird's hand come out and
he takes the shot and then retracts, moves back, starts
calling four shots fired, shots shots fired.
Speaker 5 (01:19:36):
I'm taking it.
Speaker 7 (01:19:37):
I'm taking the shot and uh and then why would
you do that? Right afterwards, and that's when the SWAT
team comes up the steps.
Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
So you had two not swat protected, not play carriers,
not the windy helmets, not the not the protective gear
that were standing there with just playing clothes. Capitol Police
are standing there right right behind where she's get shot.
Exit the scene right the shot happens. Then you got
(01:20:06):
Ert who was fully decked out in full military year
that show up.
Speaker 7 (01:20:11):
Once again, if you have the upper hand with the personnel,
why would you give up the high ground. He took
the shot and then ran away and then made the
call of shots fired. That is a cowardice act. That
is an assassination. That is a triggering response by Capitol
Police and MPD to force the crowd's hand into bearing
(01:20:33):
arms into the riot, and they wanted it to go
down that way, you know, but they showed restraint and
nobody had a weapon.
Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
To the family of Asky Babbitt, we honor her. We
have for for four years.
Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
Tear jerking experience, crying shame.
Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Just Mickey, we love you, we love you, and we're sorry.
To the family, to her husband, to everybody that knew Mickey,
what a what a what a wonderful woman, And this
was just a tragic incident. I just wanted to say
that real quick. I met you once, Just huge goosebumps
all over there.
Speaker 7 (01:21:06):
I men you once when you came to C t
B to see me, and that was honorable. And you
and I sat there and I told you exactly what
I saw on video. And I hope it brings anything
to you.
Speaker 5 (01:21:21):
Man. That's tough, dude, that's tough.
Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Don't know where to go after that one, real quick.
I mean, I just really don't bro got a little time,
but just you know, again, as we keep saying this,
this this comes back to use of force and training
and communication, and you know, after that, I just we
kind of come to the end of the stuff and
and and and the segments that we're we've been honored
(01:21:44):
to host things to Donna. Donna is it's going to
come down to we really really really need to continue
this fight. You know, fight is not over.
Speaker 7 (01:21:56):
We want to stay in it as long as we can,
and we want to help man and we want to
be questioned about what we saw and what we've witnessed
on video.
Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
It's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
There's a lot there, and you know, we've had so much,
We've had this blessing, this opportunity to talk to you guys,
and and and there's so much more that that we
not even get to today.
Speaker 5 (01:22:19):
No, we can't. We just can't can't do it.
Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
It's too much information and it's too much We just
there's there's not enough traction yet. So as we kind
of wrap this up in a little bit, I think
we got another segment to do.
Speaker 5 (01:22:32):
But but when yeah, just just.
Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Really understand the purpose of why we're here and what
we're trying to do is to educate that there is
a system out there. It has been in place. We're
not going to take the fact that you know it's gone,
you didn't delete this. You might have deleted some stuff
during the committee and that information is gone, but this
is a totally different system. That we're talking about, you know,
(01:22:56):
so we just need that, we need your help.
Speaker 7 (01:22:58):
When you're going out there and you're the videos or
you're trying to gather information, Remember you got to know
the how, the what, and the why, and then you
have to watch. Just like ingredients of a cake, you
have things that make up a riot. You have instigators, agitators,
and motivators. Any two of those three will instigate violence
within within the organization. And then you have the gorilla fighters,
(01:23:22):
the Antifa and the BLM, the sedition hunters, and the
people that were dressed up just like Trump supporters that
were agitating the police and pushing people forward. It's just
it's unbelievable. So just yeah, real quick, real quick.
Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
So this after Ashley Babbitt that you know, we're just
gonna have take another break.
Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
Yeah, it's hard to pull it together, get it back together.
Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
I don't know why time.
Speaker 5 (01:24:20):
Welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 7 (01:24:22):
We had a pretty emotional break that was well needed,
and Dan and I would like to talk about a
few things, uh, that are emotional to us and some
feeling and demands that we would like to get out
to the public that make you more aware of our situation,
(01:24:42):
and some of the things that we were subjected to
while incarcerated were the local media, uh and UH local
newscasts that were calling us, you know, the terrorists and insurrectionists.
Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
And change your name from Jeff McKellop to hello, my
name is ist. We just need tags or tattoos right
here that says my name is this because when you
stick at it, because you add it's the end of it.
White supremacist, domestic terrorists, terrorist, you know, a militant extremist,
anybody you put it inst to the end of it.
They've called it to us, you know what, And it's
(01:25:21):
unjust because it's set a narrative. It's set a narrative
with the with the United States people, set an area
with Congress, it set a narrative with with anybody who
It just set a wrong narrative.
Speaker 5 (01:25:31):
It was a pre punishment.
Speaker 7 (01:25:32):
We were denied our due process, We were denied information
all our discovery. Even our own attorneys denied us information
about our case and wouldn't allow us to fight it.
And like we said before, we were fighting a war
on three different fronts with the d J the CTF facility,
and then again with our attorneys.
Speaker 5 (01:25:51):
It was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
But in the perception of the American people, a lot
of them, you know. And as we say that, the
tie is kind of turned, you know, so you look
back at when you're in C two B the only
device you had that can kind of keep you saying
when you're locked in yourself for twenty three hours and
you couldn't see a TV if you didn't have to sell,
you couldn't definitely hear it. But if you could see it,
(01:26:13):
you can watch it. But whatever, who's going to stand
at the door for nineteen hours or twenty hours out
of the day. Is you got a radio, you know,
and DC, you had c SPAN, you had the NWA,
the Mall. You had all these radio stations, and they
were conservatives. And I want to say that even the
narrative has changed now over the last four years of
(01:26:34):
some key prominent people, right, and the tide has turned.
Radio was all we had.
Speaker 7 (01:26:39):
Yeah, you had the J six Committee and all its splendor,
and you brought that clown show to bear and those
guys were reading their narrative off the paper, complete and
utter lie.
Speaker 5 (01:26:49):
I want my turn.
Speaker 7 (01:26:51):
I want to stand before the eyes of Congress and
I want to testify. I don't need paper to tell
me what to say and what to do.
Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
I got production or production cruise dough too.
Speaker 7 (01:27:01):
We don't need a Hollywood production crew anything. Dan and
I can do it standing there and battle and combat
any topic, any theory that you may have against us,
and back it up with hardcore video.
Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
You know, the right people since Trumpet won, have been
putting key positions and the right people in place now,
and we're asking you.
Speaker 5 (01:27:24):
We put it to you. I command you bring us forward.
Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
There's a mandate that this needs to come to truth,
and we're asking Pambondi. You know you have a great
pull in your position to really help us release the
MPD videos. You know, there's reason Judicial Watch has been
trying to get these videos for years and they can't.
So the time is over. Everybody's been pardoning. There's no
(01:27:50):
more crimes, there's no more charges coming up. It's time
for truth. You know, Cash Betel, We're so happy you're there.
Dan Bongino, I've listened to you for four years, even
when I was in the BOP. I listened to you
at twelve, you know, eleven toolat in the Dallas area.
I applaud you for your involvement with Julie Kelly and
(01:28:13):
getting to the point to where this was a feeds direction.
There are a lot of things that need be answered
to this, and I'm asking you in Cash Betel and
the FBI to investigate that. Look at how many people
were in the crowd. Let's get this to truth. We
need this, The American needs this. You wanted to heal,
you want to come to fruition. American needs to hell.
Truth is the only way to do it.
Speaker 5 (01:28:33):
You guys, you want to be an official.
Speaker 7 (01:28:35):
You want to be in a position that makes a choice,
makes a command decision. Now's your opportunity to step forward.
What will you do when they come for you?
Speaker 5 (01:28:43):
What will you do? Well? They came for me and
they took everything that I have. I had nothing left.
Speaker 7 (01:28:50):
I was ready to retire, and all of a sudden,
a friend of mine asked me to go to this
clown show and I got sucked into it and we
lost it. All four years of my life, four years
of my children's lives gone never to return, and now
they're often running on their own. Come on, man, do
what you say, stand up, walk the walk. If you
(01:29:11):
talk to talk just like when we had the congressmen
and women come into our cell block and want to
talk to us. I tried to pass off.
Speaker 5 (01:29:19):
A note that read torture, interrogation, isolation. I need help.
Speaker 7 (01:29:26):
They wouldn't take my note. Oh it's a piece of radioactivity. Cowardy,
cowardice under fire, just like that clown that wrote the
book Courage under Fire. Yeah, I saw that, and you
know what it should say, cowardice under fire.
Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
Sissies, Well, you know a lot of motions the Titus.
As Jeff said, we lost it all. You know, we've
done four years in jail, unbelieved. There's this solitary confinement.
And we're not the only two. There was a lot
of great brothers in there. And if you all know
who you are, I'm not gonna name names on here,
but you know we love you, we know who you are,
and we're going to support you in any way we can.
(01:30:03):
And if this is a little thing to get some
kind of freedom back to your family and some dignity
where you can hold your head. You know, I traveled
here this weekend right with my son and this has
probably been the most of it with him.
Speaker 7 (01:30:16):
That it's all right, bro, we speak for you, guys,
we're speaking for you. Call me, you call me out
and you tell us what to say. You tell Dan
and I what to say, and we will get it
out there. We command you to bring us before court.
Speaker 5 (01:30:32):
I want to do it. I'm ready, We're ready. It's
not the ammunition to fight the battle.
Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
There's nothing stopping us other than people making decisions. And
I ask you guys all out there. You've got us
out this far. There's great support for pardons and getting
us here this far. So many people were involved in that.
We're asking you as the public to call you, Congressman,
to get involved, to get them to say, Jay six
years need to be in front of Congress. There needs
to be a new path that the truth comes out,
(01:30:59):
you know, and it's possible. Look at the how far
we've come so far, and.
Speaker 5 (01:31:04):
When everybody back door to us.
Speaker 7 (01:31:05):
Man, my entire crew at work were told they had
a meeting and we're told not to talk to me
or reach out or communicate with me. As soon as
I got arrested, as soon as my face made the video,
that was excommunicated right then and there.
Speaker 5 (01:31:21):
And I want to think, we want to.
Speaker 7 (01:31:23):
Think all of this comes down to the support that
we had from everybody, and the letters and the money
for our gifts and ghost I'm still living off that
money and it is spent to the nth degree for
the best interest of my children and the survivability of myself.
(01:31:45):
Without it, I would be out there panhandling. I would
be a homeless veteran instantly.
Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
All of you people out there helped us get out
because you voted for Trump. Trump is in office, and
I want to say that this man has fortitude that
the yeah could ever imagine. And we oh sitting right
here today along with being able to talk as we
talked many times, where we get together again.
Speaker 5 (01:32:09):
We're going to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
We would not be here without Donald Trump. And thank you,
President Trump. I owe you my freedom.
Speaker 7 (01:32:19):
We we we thank you, sir. Thank you so very
much for mentioning us. And it was so enlightening even
other prisoners when I was in Texas.
Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
This has been something that I know has probably been
very hard. You haven't done this before, and to give
us this platform, it means the world to me. You know,
real America's voice. This is something that Jay six Ers
need and if this is the baby step we need
to get to Congress. We are more than willing to
fight that fight.
Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
Thank you, Thank you so very much.
Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
So we're winding down, man, it's coming down to this.
Speaker 5 (01:32:55):
It bro you not in there.
Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
We kind of took part in an amazing song that
was involved with us and a lot of the patriots.
Speaker 5 (01:33:02):
We've got a chance to make a record, the DC.
Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Goolg President Trump and he just got his part into
it too.
Speaker 5 (01:33:08):
So the greatest national anthems ever, you.
Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
Know, So as we talk about that, just just know that,
you know everybody knows it. Nine o'clock every night we
sat and sing this anthem, you know, to the phones,
to the people out there, list to freedom, to freedom corner.
Everybody's out there for three years straight, four years. So
just thank you for ladies. And you know, Cowboy Logic
(01:33:30):
has closed, you know, their show for the last three
years with the most beautiful anthem ever sung and Jeff
and I included in this. You know, we just thank
you for this opportunity.
Speaker 7 (01:33:41):
Just ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your valuable time
and your effort, and thank you Cowboy Logic.
Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
Ladies and gentlemen. Now's the time, gentlemen, remove your hats.
Ladies and gentlemen, put your hands on your hearts, and
let's do this national anthem.
Speaker 5 (01:34:00):
And so.
Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States
of America, who rides and.
Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
Ride and lost, to
Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
Square, and to the Republic for which it stands, one
(01:35:16):
nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all,
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