June 4, 2025 • 46 mins
Human Events on Real America's Voice
Segment A: President Trump’s Latest Call with Putin
Segment B: AI Bias - How do we fix it?
Segment C: The Trump Admin Needs to Implement a Neutral Mandate on AI Programming
Segment D: The Great AI Debate Part II
Segment E: Mass Deportations = Fiscal Responsibility
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is what happens when the fourth Turning meets fifth
generation warfare.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran,
This is Human Events with your host Jack Posovic christ Is.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Traffic is resumed across Crimea's Kirch Bridge after Ukraine hit
its foundations with underwater explosives. The explosion marked the latest
offensives from Ukraine over the weekend. In Ukraine, drone attack
damaged dozens of warplanes deep inside Russia. Meanwhile, Russian strikes
on Ukraine's civilian areas continue, killing at least eight and
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injuring fifty.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Iran Supreme Leader Ayatola Ali Hamana has now criticized and
appears to have flat out rejected a proposal by the
US amid negotiations over to Iran's rapidly advancing nuclear programs,
saying Iran were fuses to give up enriching uranium in
any possible deal, which is essentially the purpose of any
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kind of deal with the US.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
A White House send a request yesterday to congressional leaders
to pull back more than nine billion dollars in approved spending,
most of it's for foreign aid.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Well, this is called a recision, and it is intended
to try to take those musk generated doze cuts, the
slashes in departments and budgets and make them permanent.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Two Chinese researchers charge with smuggling what's considered to be
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Ladies, jentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition Human Events Daily Here Live, Washington,
d C. Today is June fourth, twenty twenty five, and
O Domini, it is the thirty sixth anniversary the Tenemen
Square massacre. Were proud Chinese citizens stood up for their
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country against communism and were mowed down by soldiers of
the People's Liberation Army. Soldiers of the Chinese Communist Party
their own government open fire on peaceful processors and civilians,
and we remember them every single June fourth the same way,
remember all the victims of communism, the most evil force
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that has ever existed on this planet, folks. Another evil force,
of course, is the specter of war. And President Trump
has a huge truth social up where he just apparently
got off the phone with President Putin of Russia, and
I want to read this to you now because this
is breaking news. Just as we go to air here,
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he said, I just finished speaking by telephone with President
Vladerman Putin of Russia. The call lasted approximately one hour
fifteen minutes. We discussed the attack on Russia's docked airplanes
by Ukraine and also various other attacks that have been
taking place by both sides. It was a good conversation,
but not a conversation that will lead to immediate peace.
President Putin did say and very strongly, that he will
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have to respond to the recent attack on the airfields,
so respond in Ukraine. We also discussed Iran and the
fact that time is running out on Iran's decision to
pertaining to nuclear weapons, which must be made quickly. Stated
to President Trump that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon,
and on this I believe we were in agreement President Trump.
President Putin suggested that he will participate in the discussions
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with Iran and that he could perhaps be helpful in
getting this brought to a rapid conclusion. Is my opinion
that Iran has been slow walking their decision on this
important matter, and we will need a definitive answer in
a very.
Speaker 7 (04:00):
Work period of time. Folks.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I've also been hearing regarding these attacks and this Operation
Spider Web that, as it turns out, elements of our
national security infrastructure, elements of the CIA, elements of the
intel community, knew that this attack was taking place, that
this operation was going on, and they purposely withheld information
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from the President of the United States, from his briefing,
from many other high level echelons of the White House.
Why are Brennan and Clapper people still walking around with
blue badges? Why is anyone who was involved with the
prior Biden or Obama administrations walking around in positions of
power within the Trump administration. Their goals and their agenda
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are separate from the agenda of the People's President of
the people voted.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
For in twenty twenty four will be right back.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
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Speaker 1 (05:39):
All right, folks, Jack Pasovic here, we are live Washington, DC.
Want to bring in Real America's voice as well as
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tweeting out about the Russian response to Ukraine's drone attacks,
and also this idea and the news breaking his own
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update here today because we've been talking about AI. We
talk about this a lot, and I wanted to do
this episode really all about structuring about AI. Yes, we
have the news of the day, but I'm excited that
we have Larry ward On who's an expert on AI
and one of the things that he's been digging into
and he's got a piece up at human events dot
com all about AI bias.
Speaker 7 (07:53):
Larry joins us. Now, Larry, how are you great?
Speaker 8 (07:56):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Will Larry tell us a little bit about this piece
what made you want to put it together and what
did you find.
Speaker 9 (08:10):
I've been in the digital space in conservative politics for
over twenty years. We've been We were the first to
call out Google in two thousand and four for bias
in its AD algorithm. We were the first shadow band
account on Facebook when I put up a meme that said,
when Obama calls the Seals, they got bin laden. When
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the Seals called Obama, they got denied. It's long documented.
The bias in the Silicon Valley tendency to censor, to demonetize,
to choke conservative content has been well documented. It was
covert at one point, but you know, over the last
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couple of years they were really overt about it, and
now they're going back in in the closet and being
more covert about their bias. But anybody that choosed AI
and asked political questions automatically gets the liberal bias answer first.
And it's it's like getting the first page of Google,
because people make up their mind on the first page
of Google. You're going to make up your mind on
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the first answer from from the prompt on the political
question that you're asking, and over and over and over again.
AI has shown that it has very strong liberal bias.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Well, and and this really goes back to one of
those things that like, I'm not a computer programmer, but
you know, I.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Do understand some of the basics of this, and.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Garbage in, garbage out. This has always been one of
the issues in computing. It's always been one of the
issues in algorithms or systemic modeling. And that's the same
issue that a lot of the AI has now, not
just the bias in terms of being fed these these
far left sources like Wikipedia or the New York Times
or so many of liberal corporate media that's out there,
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but also one of the issues that's come up is
that AI is degrading as the models are continued to
be trained on these on the internet, because there's so
much AI generated content that's now appearing on the Internet.
So you have AI that's being trained on AI, which
degrades the overall value of the model itself.
Speaker 9 (10:22):
You're one hundred percent right, and it's going to continue
to get worse. And look AI is now these AI companies,
these major lms are making deals. You saw there was
a huge deal with Amazon that was put out there
to the New York Times where they're paying the New
York Times and undisclosed amount of money, probably hundreds of
millions of dollars.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
To train its model on the New York Times.
Speaker 9 (10:43):
And you're seeing that these companies are going out either
to mainstream or to very liberal publications and paying them
a lot of money so that they can train their
model on their content. And what they're not doing is
they're not seeking out conservative publications and conservative voices like
Human Events, the Post Millennial or the Washington Examiner, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And so on.
Speaker 9 (11:03):
And we we have to get these AI companies for
two reasons. One, the the the Silicon Valley has destroyed
the financial wherewithal of a lot of these companies on
the right because they've demodetized them, they've throttled them, they've
choked them, and they've put them in financial deep financial stress.
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And two, these AI models need to be trusted. And
you know, look, I've said this for a very long time.
The trust is the number one asset. It's the number
one investment that AI companies need to make in order
to yield a high investment. And right now, who's going
to trust an AI company like open Ai that that
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or Google that puts George Washington as a black president,
or you know, you type into open ai who's the
president and they say Joe Biden is still the president.
Speaker 8 (11:57):
I mean, there's there's.
Speaker 9 (11:58):
Lots and lots of evidence overall that that they are
just off the rails in terms of their liberal bias.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Well, and so what you're what you're explaining though, is
actually potentially a way for AI to correct this issue
or or potentially help with this and perhaps President Trump's
AI policy.
Speaker 7 (12:19):
We know that this is coming out of the White House.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Now that's something where numerous individuals in the administration. I
would say elon, but you know, he's sort of stepped away,
but he obviously plays a huge role in GROC and XAI,
even going to the point where I believe that X
itself has now been signed over to XAI, so that
all of the content that I post on X, that
everyone posts on X it's already being fed into the
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Xai algorithm, so that it's being it's training rock as.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
You go, and so there's no issues there.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So one of the one of the Now obviously there's
conservatives and liberals on it, but what you're saying is
that they could go in and actually work work with
you know, feed it, feed it human Events, feed it
the War Room, feed it Tucker Carlson, and then you
would get at, you know, at least achieve a balance
or an understanding that there are various perspectives on these issues.
Speaker 9 (13:13):
You're absolutely right. There has to be an equal weight.
You know, the way these these systems work is they
wait these publications, they wait these sources.
Speaker 8 (13:21):
There has to be an.
Speaker 9 (13:21):
Equal weight on the on the conservative side as there
is on the liberal side. And these companies not only
have to you know, use these use their content, but
they also have to pay for the content, and it
has to be at the same market rate that they're
making deals with the New York Times, that they're making
deals with the Washington Posts and CNN. They have to
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use conservative publications and pay conservative publications at least the
same amount, if not more, because they've been using, they've
been rotteling and demonetizing and hurting these conservative publications for
a very long time.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Well and we know this has been done all the
way back to the days of breit Barton Sleeping giants.
That they use this as a model to block conservative
news or just truthful news, anything that's out there telling
the truth, whether it be Russia, whether it be Hunter Biden,
whether it be Joe Biden's mental status, or whether it
be COVID and everything that's happening and these Chinese pathogens
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and apparently we just call another Chinese path up in Michigan.
Larry Ward is on with us now. He's the head
of Market Rhythm. He's got a great column up on
Humanevents dot Com.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
I'm Jack Prosobic.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
You're listening to the Salem Radio Network and watching on
Real America's Voice.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
We're going to take a quick break. We're going to
be right back because this is so important ending the
bias in AI.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
And it's got to start now, folks, because understand this
right now is the worst AI will ever be.
Speaker 10 (14:49):
This is Model one.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
I'm Bo Davidson with your Real America's Voice headlines. Well,
the budget battle continues on Capitol Hill. The Senate now
has its turn to make some changes. Axios is reporting
that Senate Republicans are mapping out the July fourth stretch goal.
Senate Majority leader John Thune reportedly met with President Trump
this week and they are trying to ease any concerns
about tax and spending cuts Medicaid and other divisions, and
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Elon Musk has some very very harsh criticism of the budget.
He posted on x the following I'm sorry, but I
just can't stand it anymore. This massive, outrageous pork field
Congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination. Shame on those
who voted for it. You know you did wrong, You
know it. Meanwhile, two Chinese researchers have been charged by
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US authorities for allegedly smuggling a dangerous fungus into the
United States that they plan to study at a University
of Michigan lab. The fungus is considered a potential agro
terrorism weapon due to its ability to cause severe crop
diseases and produce toxins harmful to both humans and livestock.
The researchers reportedly brought the fungus into the country without
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the necessary federal permits, raising significant national security concerns. Meanwhile,
the White House formally sends its DOGE spending cuts request
over to Congress. This nine point four billion dollar package
is also known as Recisions, and it would eliminate funding
already passed by Congress. The majority of the cuts target NPR, PBS,
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and USAID. And Congress will have forty five days to
consider the package after the White House sent it over.
Speaker Mike Johnson said the House will act quickly on this.
And President Trump says Chinese President Shi Jinping is very
hard to make a deal with. Trump says he likes
she and he always has in a true social post,
but he is very hard to make a deal with.
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The White House said President Trump, and she will speak
about a trade deal coming up this week. This comes
after Trump said China violated an agreement to roll back tariffs.
Treasury Secretary Scott Besson said the trade talks we're a
bit stalled, and the two countries leaders would need to
weigh in.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Those are your headlines. Now back to Jack Pasobic and Human.
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Today.
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Back on with the president of Market Rhythm, Larry Ward,
and he's walking through his new column that's up on
Humanevents dot com, and he's arguing that conservative publications need
to be included in these AI models to fix the
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liberal bias problem.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
And Larry, I'll.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Throw it back to you, because you're not talking about
making AI conservative, You're about making it viewpoint neutral so
that true information is able to actually get through the screen.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
Absolutely.
Speaker 9 (19:32):
Look if we went to twenty twenty when COVID was around,
and these AI models were just trained on the liberal bias,
what we we have.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
We would have, you know, the AI.
Speaker 9 (19:43):
Telling everybody they got to wear masks and go out
and get vaccines and stay indoors of course until there's
a Black Lives Matter protests, and then go out and participate.
That's what it would have been telling the American people.
And how many more people would have been fooled into
some of the some of the nonsense that went on
during COVID. So you know, we have to look at this.
It's a national security risk. These biased AI systems, they
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pose a national national threat because they create blind spots
and everything from policy analysis to threat assessment. So it
has to we have to have a neutral view. We
have to have both conservative and liberal perspectives and quite frankly,
the uh like I like, I keep going back to
the the these AI companies should put their money where
their mouth is and and contribute uh the and contract
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with these publications, these conservative publications, and pay the market
rate as soon as humanly possible.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Now, one of the pieces that you know that that
you've you've spoken about in in here is also the
idea of a mandate and the idea potentially of a
mandate or some form of regulation coming out from the
federal government saying this needs to be in there, and
if it's not in there, we're going to have problems.
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Do you think that's something that the Trump administration could do?
Speaker 8 (21:03):
Absolutely.
Speaker 9 (21:03):
Look, I am a laws I fair you know, conservative capitalist,
I've I've been that way my whole life.
Speaker 8 (21:09):
So for me to.
Speaker 9 (21:11):
Come out and say that this needs to happen, that
government needs to be involved, and government must make sure
that that the AI systems are balanced with conservative and
liberal media is very very important.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
It's important for a lot of different reasons.
Speaker 9 (21:26):
So mandatory inclusion and having the administration either issue in
executive order, push Congress, or or even just just push
these companies, pressure these companies into doing business with conservatives
and signing long term contracts is essential.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
We have to have AI without bias.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Well, and it's as simple as that.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And you talk to anybody in Silicon Value right now,
and they'll tell you that Google is done Google search.
Everybody may it's like the butt of a joke that, oh,
you guys still use Google blah blah blah, what are
you using Google for?
Speaker 7 (22:00):
It's all about AI clients.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Everybody uses AI on their phones out there right now,
anyone in California right you're you're talking to them, and
even I've noticed it just anecdotally people. But my wife
she'll she'll use AI to she's searching this, she's searching
that she you know, if she's if she's writing something.
English isn't her first language, so if she wants to
double check something, she'll use AI constantly.
Speaker 10 (22:22):
Not that she used to do it a lot, but
you know, just double check.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Make sure that, uh, make sure that that it's written
up right. You need to know that the information you're
getting is unbiased and is accurate.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
Larry, where can.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
People go to follow you and get more access to
this article?
Speaker 9 (22:39):
But you can go to uh Constitutional rights pack dot
com that's that's our political action committee or in service
of humanity, and that is a five one C three
newly formed to create AI that is totally in service
of humanity as opposed to having humanity in service of AI.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
AI in serve of humanity. I like that.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
It's got a populous feel to it. Larry, this is great.
Please come back on any time you like. These issues
are so important. And guess what, folks, they're not science future,
they're science now. Jack Pisoviac, we write back, We're talking
AI today. Real America's Voiceail Meridia Network.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
And I'm Bo Davidson with your Real America's Voice headlines.
The Congressional Budget Office says that President Donald Trump's Big
Beautiful Bill would cut taxes by three point seven trillion
dollars while adding two point four trillion to the national debt.
The Trump administration and congressional Republicans have criticized the CBO's analysis,
arguing that the CBO underestimated the growth in federal tax
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receipts spurred by greater economic activity as a result of
the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act that passed back in
twenty seventeen and over in Arizona, Governor Katie Hobbs is
facing backlash for vetoing a bill that would prevent China
from buying up land next to strategic assets such as
military bases. Arizona State Senate majority leader Janey shamp called
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Hobbes's move quote utterly insane and called her an obstructionist.
Chinese investment in strategic land, especially near military bases, has
been a growing national security concern. Hobbs is up for
reelection next year, and vetos such as this could impact
her chances. In another news, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has
ordered a renaming of the Navy ship, the USNS Harvey Milk,
(24:40):
which had been named after the San Francisco gay rights activist.
The Military Times reported the renaming of the ship referencing
a memo from the Office of the Secretary of the Navy.
According to reports, this move is intended to be in
line with the Commander in Chief's priorities, ethos, and history.
In peace talks between Russia and UNS Crane are stalling
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after Ukraine's attack on Russian military planes. When asked what
response there would be, Russia's deputy Foreign minister said that quote,
all options are on the table, that it is a
question for our military. Russia also urged the UK and
the US to react in such a way that would
stop further escalation, implying that the West aided Ukraine with
target coordinates, supplied weapons and refusing to condemn the act.
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After Trump rebuked Vladimir Putin a week earlier, Trump's Ukraine
envoys said that escalation from the war is quote going
way up. White Oat spokesperson Caroline Levitt said that the
US did not receive any advanced notice of Ukraine's strikes.
And those are your Real America's Voice headlines from our newsroom.
We'll go head back now to Jack Pasobac and Human Events.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
And Jack.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
Where's Jack?
Speaker 12 (25:52):
Where's Jack?
Speaker 9 (25:55):
Where is he? Jack?
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I want to see you.
Speaker 8 (26:00):
Great job, Jack, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
What the job do you do?
Speaker 11 (26:03):
You know, we have an incredible thing.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
We're always talking about the fake.
Speaker 9 (26:06):
News and de band but we have guys and these
are the guys should forgetting pulses?
Speaker 7 (26:13):
Are Jack Clovic back Human Events Daily?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Last week I recorded a debate with Livvy Emmons regarding AI.
We weren't able to play it because of time constraints,
but we have it and we're going to play it.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
For you right now.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
She and I have been having a long standing debate
about the use of AI, and I think it was
time for another round because you wrote another op ed
on it and I was like, all right, let's see
what Libby's got to say about AI now.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
So for folks who hadn't.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Seen the earlier stages of this debate, I have said
that AI is okay to use, and I've clearly used
it in marketing, and I've used it in some things,
you know, either for the show or video that we've made,
what we made, the preceptions of various videos in the past,
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even years ago. And Libya is just totally against AI.
She's like a lot of it, she doesn't want to
use it. She's militantly a lot of on the question
of AI. So I've wanted to get into this op
ed Libby, I've had it.
Speaker 11 (27:22):
I wouldn't say I'm a lot I would say I'm
a lover of humanity and I love words and I
love stories.
Speaker 8 (27:27):
So just pushing back right there.
Speaker 11 (27:30):
But yeah, we've seen some recent developments in AI that
have been pretty stunning, and I would say back up
my view, which is that AI is a tool and
it's not a tool that should be used by someone
who doesn't know how to use that tool. We had
a situation recently where a commissioned author wrote a summer
reading list and used AI to get recommendations for that
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recommended summer reading list, and the AI spit out a
bunch of fake books by real authors, so that actually
he didn't check it, didn't check it, his editors didn't
check it. No fact checkers checked it, and the whole
thing ran in a big advertorial supplement in the Philadelphia
Inquirer and the Chicago Sun.
Speaker 8 (28:08):
Times, so that was amazing.
Speaker 11 (28:10):
A federal judge is seeking to hold a law firm
in Alabama for sanctions after that law firm filed a
brief with fake citations of fake cases in order to
defend themselves, and that's not the first time that that
has happened. What we have going on here is what
are being called AI hallucinations, otherwise known as complete and
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total lies and fabrications, where AI has asked a question
and it just makes stuff up, and then people are
too lazy to check what the AI has spit back
out at them and just run with it, completely unaware
and apparently unperturbed by the fact that they're just spreading lies.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Well so so, and I agree with you that AI does.
And I've always said that AI you can't take it
at face value. You always have to edit, you have
to have a human coming in and doing But I
suppose my issue though, isn't necessarily that people are being lazy.
Of course are being lazy, but what they're But the
other side is that if you only have the firm
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that's using humans only, and other people are using AI
as a tool, not as the end all be all,
but as a tool, they are going to lap you
and they are going to get ahead of you. And
that's always been my position. And I want to play
and I apologize that the the on the radio side,
you won't be able to hear this the podcast side.
But there's this video that the Wall Street Journal put together,
(29:32):
this new movie that came out from just just it's
completely AI generated. It's completely AI created, every scene of it.
Every there are no humans involved, there are no actual
there's It's My Life with My Robot. It's sort of
a sitcom. And I'm sorry, and and Libby you've seen
(29:52):
this as well.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
It looks almost perfect, It looks.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Almost perfect, like something you would see on TV that anytime.
Yet there's no actor that's it's kind of cute. It's
called my robot in me. It's very funny, and it's
all AI generated. And so I guess my question is,
if you're putting out stuff like this, how are you
going to compete cost wise? If you have to pay
actors and writers and producers and all the rest, when
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the company next to you is producing stuff that's eighty
ninety percent is good but for a drastically reduced cost.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (30:28):
I see what you're saying about the cost issue. And
I don't think that humanity. I don't think that artists
need actually to spend a whole lot of money to
make good art. I don't think that's necessarily what has
to happen. Also, I would pause it that a small wonder.
I don't know if you remember, that show was at
least just as good as this robot show that's come
out now. That's you know, i'll manufactured this way. But
(30:53):
the thing too, that I think it's really important to
recognize is that the AI models that are being try
are being trained on existing content, and so far that
existing content is human generated, it's you know, all of
the stuff on the Internet that has been written and
created by human beings, from filmmakers to writers, to actors
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and producers and whoever else, and that's what the AI
is being trained on. But we're increasingly going to get
to a situation where AI is being trained on AI content,
and we're going to find ourselves in an endless regurgitation
loop with absolutely no new ideas being presented or consumed,
and human beings perhaps are going to be satisfied with
(31:37):
something that appears to be good enough, but it's not
really going to be as worthwhile as what comes out
of the human brain. We like to say to ourselves
that AI is thinking, but you can only truly believe
that AI is thinking if you don't think very highly
of thinking itself. Because AI is not actually generating anything new.
It is simply amalgamating that which is already out there,
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and it doesn't have the capability of distinguishing between good
and bad, or right and wrong, or true and false.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Well, Well, libya, and I'll throw you.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I'll throw this one to you here because there was
an article I think it was an op ed I
guess out of the Register earlier this week that says
there are signs of AI model collapse that are beginning
to reveal themselves, and I don't want to go through
all of the all of the iterations of it. It's
(32:30):
talking about how search engines are now being AI optimized,
how AI is definitely better for search than Google has
ever been. Google is no longer the best search engine. However,
one of the big issues that they have is that
so AI is currently being trained in these large language models,
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is being trained on the open Internet. In many cases,
they're not being trained on archives. And the issue with
that is that there's now so much much AI generated
content on the Internet that it's being trained by content
that is itself AI generated. So it gets to your point,
this is speaking exactly to what you're saying, that the
AI is being trained on AI generated content, and so
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without the human generated content it is now the models
are degrading and the models are failing. And this is because,
by the way, just to step back for a second,
this is because what we're referring to in terms of chat,
TPT and rock and even XAI, it's not actually artificial intelligence.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
What it is our large language models. What does that do?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
It takes in large bulks of information, words, sentences, phrases,
newspaper articles, novels, books, magazines, et cetera, movie scripts, plugs
them all in together and then creates an algorithm basically
of how humans speak by defining word maps, which word
is close to another word, and things like this, And
(34:00):
so it can understand that based on where humans have written.
The problem is as you go into more and more
AI generated content, the human touch is lost, and therefore
the AI itself becomes graded. So this is already becoming
an issue as people look at these models. And I
guess there was a paper in Nature in twenty twenty
(34:24):
four that that was talking about this and said and quote,
the model becomes poisoned with its own projection of reality,
and we're talking about error accumulation, et cetera, et cetera. However,
I'm still going to stick with my position here because
this is an issue with this particular version of AI. Yeah,
(34:45):
there's going to be, you know, some a bunch of
bugs and glitches and things that need to be worked out.
But I want to be clear about something, and this
is just a fact. This is the worst AI will
ever be because this is version one point zero. So
the thing that we're seeing now, the writing, the movies
that are being generated. It's only going to get better
(35:06):
from here on. Humanity is going to go through a
new epoch. People are currently preparing their entire lives for
career fields that will not exist in five years, and
I don't know if we as a society are even
considering what the implications of this are going to be.
Speaker 11 (35:26):
Yeah, that's why education should not be about preparing for
someone for a job, but should be about preparing yourself
to learn, to change, to grow, to understand, to research,
to figure things out on your own.
Speaker 8 (35:38):
That's what education is about.
Speaker 11 (35:39):
That's what it's supposed to be about. It's not supposed
to be about, you know, figuring out how to be
the best cog in the machine. That's not the point
of it, and it shouldn't be the point of it,
and it wasn't the point of it going back to
the Greeks, you know, who were some of the best educators,
which I think speaks to a certain extent to my point,
which is that the you know, the ancient stuff is
still better than all the AI stuff that's being spit
(36:02):
out right now, and the AI content that's being spit
out right now still requires a human touch. I've messed
around with some of the AI you know, movie generation things,
and I'm certainly not an expert, and I'm not great
at figuring out what the right prompt is to get
what it is that I am hoping for, so I
tend to just go back to trying to draw it. Frankly,
(36:22):
but I think that these are tools. They are tools
that need to be learned how to use them. You
don't just walk into a shop class and start messing
around with the table saw without losing a couple of fingers.
So that's a key part of this, right. You can't
just unleash a massive tool engine like this on the
world and expect it all to get worked out and
(36:44):
expect people to just figure out how to use it.
It diminishes in many ways the way that we are
using it now. It diminishes what human consciousness is because
we equate human consciousness to the AI, you know, tools
to the AI LL and that's not something that we
should be doing. And I think it's also very important
to remember that AI is created in Man's image and
(37:07):
human beings are created in God's image, and we cannot
turn and start worshiping and venerating this thing that we
have created without climbing that Tower of Babel and getting
smoten down, because that is also what we're looking at.
And that's what some of these AI hallucinations remind me of,
or reminds me of the Golum and Frankenstein and cher
(37:28):
is flying too close to the sun. When we look
to our old stories, we end up seeing what we
can face in the future.
Speaker 8 (37:35):
And we need to heed those lessons for sure. And yeah,
I am.
Speaker 11 (37:38):
Probably hopelessly twentieth century, and you know, I'll stick to
my books and my card catalog for sure. But I'm
not opposed to trying new things. I just think that
we always need to be aware of what it is
that we are giving up when we are grabbing out
into the new shiny thing.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Look, Look, Michael Crichton has always been and continues to
be my fa favorite author, and this is science run
amok has always been and technology run a monk has
always been at the heart of all his writings, as
well as false allegations in the movie Slash book Disclosure Libby, We're.
Speaker 7 (38:15):
Just about out of time. I love the great AI debate.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Where can people, go and follow you get more access
to your work.
Speaker 11 (38:21):
You can find me on x at Libby Emmons, and
of course please check out all the great work we're
doing at Humanevents dot com and the Postmillennial dot com.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Every day Libby Emmons, everyone make sure you are following
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Even when she's wrong, even when Posto's right. As we know,
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Beautiful Bill, or as I'd like to call it, the
Big Beautiful Deportation Bill. This should be called, and rightfully
should be called, the Big Beautiful Deportation Bill, because that's.
Speaker 7 (40:48):
What it's all about, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
This is about getting the tools, the resources, and the
capabilities to those in power throughout DHS and other elements
of the federal government to be able to conduct the
mass deportations that wand at the ballot box in twenty
twenty four. And so I understand though that there are
some folks who say, well, wait a minute, wait a minute,
(41:11):
what about the debt? Okay, what about entitlement programs. When
are we going to get some work done on that?
And let me walk you through this a little bit. Okay,
it's a tweet that I posted earlier today because I said,
I don't think you're thinking of these mass deportations, a
series of tweets that I was posting earlier today thinking
of them in the proper way. And I want to
(41:33):
get your mind right on this, because here's what's going on.
What's going on is you are thinking that deporting people
isn't related to our federal debt and entitlement crisis because
you're only looking at the supply side of the equation.
But if you reduce the demand side of the equation,
(41:57):
you can reduce the overall expenditure. Mass deportations means fiscal responsibility.
And if you seem to understand this, because if you
reduce the amount of people on the entitlement programs, you
will reduce the spending on the entitlement programs and further
(42:17):
reduce the debt. And I can go through stats, I
can go through all day long, the reporting out of
fair reporting, even back in twenty seventeen, Even back in
twenty seventeen, fair was putting out reports saying that illegal
aliens illegal immigration cost Americans over cost on net one hundred.
Speaker 7 (42:39):
And sixteen billion dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
And remember that's indirect and direct costs through entitlement and
welfare programs.
Speaker 7 (42:48):
What do I mean by that?
Speaker 1 (42:49):
While the children of illegal aliens, guess what, they're eligible
for entitlement programs. They're eligible for SNAP, they're eligible for education,
eligible for healthcare in many cases, so they get all
of those things, and then the parents are eligible through
uh will excuse me, they're not eligible, But the parents
do access these programs through a variety of means including oh,
(43:12):
I don't know, fraud in in variety of means, including
going and getting a driver's license in places where you're
able to get one where they're not checking your citizenship,
and then going signing up for public benefits. Forty three
percent of immigrants, illegal and legal are on some form
of welfare program forty three percent in this country. And
(43:34):
so if you reduce the amount of illegal aliens in
this country, the solution mass deportations. Guess what you will
reduce the amount of this is like basic one oh
one level stuff. But it's amazing because I hear all
these fiscal hawks, and people say, oh, oh oh, you
just want to fund mass deportations.
Speaker 7 (43:53):
That's what this bill is about.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
That's what the big beautiful deportation bill is about. That's
all you care is mass deportations. What about fiscal policy?
What about fiscal conservatism? And I'm just sitting there like guys,
it's very simple. You can either have social programs or
an open border, but you can't have both. You can't
have what we've been running in this country for the
(44:15):
past and I don't. I'm not just gonna say under
the Biden autopen administration. No, I'm going to say, going
all the way back under Bush, all the way back
even too the nineteen eighties, it's been a free for
all in this country. Open borders and generous and robust
social programs are the the death knell of any nation.
Speaker 7 (44:37):
You can't have both.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
So if you invite the entire world and say, come
take our free stuff, what do you think the world's
gonna do, boys and girls. And by the way, I
get it, this is basic economic incentives. Especially if you
live within within walking distance or caravanning distance of the
United States. Of course you're gonna do that you're gonna
come up from Guatemala or any of these places. Why
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because they're giving out free stuff and you got it's
not to mention these you know, somehow they're they're able
to make their way from Africa over to the United States.
Have you ever looked at one of those flights, Those
aren't Those aren't free. Okay, plane tickets are not exactly
the cheapest thing on the planet. So they're all coming over. Understand,
it's very simple. Pass the big beautiful deportation bill, and
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the deportations will reduce the size of the entitlement programs.
Stop looking only at the supply side and look at
the demand side. Reduce the users by removing them from
the country.
Speaker 7 (45:40):
What a concept.
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of course, is the specter of war. And President Trump
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I want to read this to you now because this
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Vladerman Putin of Russia. The call lasted approximately one hour
fifteen minutes. We discussed the attack on Russia's docked airplanes
by Ukraine and also various other attacks that have been
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President Putin did say and very strongly, that he will
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I've also been hearing regarding these attacks and this Operation
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intel community, knew that this attack was taking place, that
this operation was going on, and they purposely withheld information
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from many other high level echelons of the White House.
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prior Biden or Obama administrations walking around in positions of
power within the Trump administration. Their goals and their agenda
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update here today because we've been talking about AI. We
talk about this a lot, and I wanted to do
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have the news of the day, but I'm excited that
we have Larry ward On who's an expert on AI
and one of the things that he's been digging into
and he's got a piece up at human events dot
com all about AI bias.
Speaker 7 (07:53):
Larry joins us. Now, Larry, how are you great?
Speaker 8 (07:56):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Will Larry tell us a little bit about this piece
what made you want to put it together and what
did you find.
Speaker 9 (08:10):
I've been in the digital space in conservative politics for
over twenty years. We've been We were the first to
call out Google in two thousand and four for bias
in its AD algorithm. We were the first shadow band
account on Facebook when I put up a meme that said,
when Obama calls the Seals, they got bin laden. When
(08:31):
the Seals called Obama, they got denied. It's long documented.
The bias in the Silicon Valley tendency to censor, to demonetize,
to choke conservative content has been well documented. It was
covert at one point, but you know, over the last
(08:54):
couple of years they were really overt about it, and
now they're going back in in the closet and being
more covert about their bias. But anybody that choosed AI
and asked political questions automatically gets the liberal bias answer first.
And it's it's like getting the first page of Google,
because people make up their mind on the first page
of Google. You're going to make up your mind on
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the first answer from from the prompt on the political
question that you're asking, and over and over and over again.
AI has shown that it has very strong liberal bias.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Well, and and this really goes back to one of
those things that like, I'm not a computer programmer, but
you know, I.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Do understand some of the basics of this, and.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Garbage in, garbage out. This has always been one of
the issues in computing. It's always been one of the
issues in algorithms or systemic modeling. And that's the same
issue that a lot of the AI has now, not
just the bias in terms of being fed these these
far left sources like Wikipedia or the New York Times
or so many of liberal corporate media that's out there,
(10:02):
but also one of the issues that's come up is
that AI is degrading as the models are continued to
be trained on these on the internet, because there's so
much AI generated content that's now appearing on the Internet.
So you have AI that's being trained on AI, which
degrades the overall value of the model itself.
Speaker 9 (10:22):
You're one hundred percent right, and it's going to continue
to get worse. And look AI is now these AI companies,
these major lms are making deals. You saw there was
a huge deal with Amazon that was put out there
to the New York Times where they're paying the New
York Times and undisclosed amount of money, probably hundreds of
millions of dollars.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
To train its model on the New York Times.
Speaker 9 (10:43):
And you're seeing that these companies are going out either
to mainstream or to very liberal publications and paying them
a lot of money so that they can train their
model on their content. And what they're not doing is
they're not seeking out conservative publications and conservative voices like
Human Events, the Post Millennial or the Washington Examiner, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And so on.
Speaker 9 (11:03):
And we we have to get these AI companies for
two reasons. One, the the the Silicon Valley has destroyed
the financial wherewithal of a lot of these companies on
the right because they've demodetized them, they've throttled them, they've
choked them, and they've put them in financial deep financial stress.
(11:24):
And two, these AI models need to be trusted. And
you know, look, I've said this for a very long time.
The trust is the number one asset. It's the number
one investment that AI companies need to make in order
to yield a high investment. And right now, who's going
to trust an AI company like open Ai that that
(11:47):
or Google that puts George Washington as a black president,
or you know, you type into open ai who's the
president and they say Joe Biden is still the president.
Speaker 8 (11:57):
I mean, there's there's.
Speaker 9 (11:58):
Lots and lots of evidence overall that that they are
just off the rails in terms of their liberal bias.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Well, and so what you're what you're explaining though, is
actually potentially a way for AI to correct this issue
or or potentially help with this and perhaps President Trump's
AI policy.
Speaker 7 (12:19):
We know that this is coming out of the White House.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Now that's something where numerous individuals in the administration. I
would say elon, but you know, he's sort of stepped away,
but he obviously plays a huge role in GROC and XAI,
even going to the point where I believe that X
itself has now been signed over to XAI, so that
all of the content that I post on X, that
everyone posts on X it's already being fed into the
(12:45):
Xai algorithm, so that it's being it's training rock as.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
You go, and so there's no issues there.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So one of the one of the Now obviously there's
conservatives and liberals on it, but what you're saying is
that they could go in and actually work work with
you know, feed it, feed it human Events, feed it
the War Room, feed it Tucker Carlson, and then you
would get at, you know, at least achieve a balance
or an understanding that there are various perspectives on these issues.
Speaker 9 (13:13):
You're absolutely right. There has to be an equal weight.
You know, the way these these systems work is they
wait these publications, they wait these sources.
Speaker 8 (13:21):
There has to be an.
Speaker 9 (13:21):
Equal weight on the on the conservative side as there
is on the liberal side. And these companies not only
have to you know, use these use their content, but
they also have to pay for the content, and it
has to be at the same market rate that they're
making deals with the New York Times, that they're making
deals with the Washington Posts and CNN. They have to
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use conservative publications and pay conservative publications at least the
same amount, if not more, because they've been using, they've
been rotteling and demonetizing and hurting these conservative publications for
a very long time.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Well and we know this has been done all the
way back to the days of breit Barton Sleeping giants.
That they use this as a model to block conservative
news or just truthful news, anything that's out there telling
the truth, whether it be Russia, whether it be Hunter Biden,
whether it be Joe Biden's mental status, or whether it
be COVID and everything that's happening and these Chinese pathogens
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and apparently we just call another Chinese path up in Michigan.
Larry Ward is on with us now. He's the head
of Market Rhythm. He's got a great column up on
Humanevents dot Com.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
I'm Jack Prosobic.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
You're listening to the Salem Radio Network and watching on
Real America's Voice.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
We're going to take a quick break. We're going to
be right back because this is so important ending the
bias in AI.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
And it's got to start now, folks, because understand this
right now is the worst AI will ever be.
Speaker 10 (14:49):
This is Model one.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
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Senate Majority leader John Thune reportedly met with President Trump
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Back on with the president of Market Rhythm, Larry Ward,
and he's walking through his new column that's up on
Humanevents dot com, and he's arguing that conservative publications need
to be included in these AI models to fix the
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liberal bias problem.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
And Larry, I'll.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Throw it back to you, because you're not talking about
making AI conservative, You're about making it viewpoint neutral so
that true information is able to actually get through the screen.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
Absolutely.
Speaker 9 (19:32):
Look if we went to twenty twenty when COVID was around,
and these AI models were just trained on the liberal bias,
what we we have.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
We would have, you know, the AI.
Speaker 9 (19:43):
Telling everybody they got to wear masks and go out
and get vaccines and stay indoors of course until there's
a Black Lives Matter protests, and then go out and participate.
That's what it would have been telling the American people.
And how many more people would have been fooled into
some of the some of the nonsense that went on
during COVID. So you know, we have to look at this.
It's a national security risk. These biased AI systems, they
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pose a national national threat because they create blind spots
and everything from policy analysis to threat assessment. So it
has to we have to have a neutral view. We
have to have both conservative and liberal perspectives and quite frankly,
the uh like I like, I keep going back to
the the these AI companies should put their money where
their mouth is and and contribute uh the and contract
(20:30):
with these publications, these conservative publications, and pay the market
rate as soon as humanly possible.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Now, one of the pieces that you know that that
you've you've spoken about in in here is also the
idea of a mandate and the idea potentially of a
mandate or some form of regulation coming out from the
federal government saying this needs to be in there, and
if it's not in there, we're going to have problems.
(20:59):
Do you think that's something that the Trump administration could do?
Speaker 8 (21:03):
Absolutely.
Speaker 9 (21:03):
Look, I am a laws I fair you know, conservative capitalist,
I've I've been that way my whole life.
Speaker 8 (21:09):
So for me to.
Speaker 9 (21:11):
Come out and say that this needs to happen, that
government needs to be involved, and government must make sure
that that the AI systems are balanced with conservative and
liberal media is very very important.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
It's important for a lot of different reasons.
Speaker 9 (21:26):
So mandatory inclusion and having the administration either issue in
executive order, push Congress, or or even just just push
these companies, pressure these companies into doing business with conservatives
and signing long term contracts is essential.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
We have to have AI without bias.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Well, and it's as simple as that.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And you talk to anybody in Silicon Value right now,
and they'll tell you that Google is done Google search.
Everybody may it's like the butt of a joke that, oh,
you guys still use Google blah blah blah, what are
you using Google for?
Speaker 7 (22:00):
It's all about AI clients.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Everybody uses AI on their phones out there right now,
anyone in California right you're you're talking to them, and
even I've noticed it just anecdotally people. But my wife
she'll she'll use AI to she's searching this, she's searching
that she you know, if she's if she's writing something.
English isn't her first language, so if she wants to
double check something, she'll use AI constantly.
Speaker 10 (22:22):
Not that she used to do it a lot, but
you know, just double check.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Make sure that, uh, make sure that that it's written
up right. You need to know that the information you're
getting is unbiased and is accurate.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
Larry, where can.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
People go to follow you and get more access to
this article?
Speaker 9 (22:39):
But you can go to uh Constitutional rights pack dot
com that's that's our political action committee or in service
of humanity, and that is a five one C three
newly formed to create AI that is totally in service
of humanity as opposed to having humanity in service of AI.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
AI in serve of humanity. I like that.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
It's got a populous feel to it. Larry, this is great.
Please come back on any time you like. These issues
are so important. And guess what, folks, they're not science future,
they're science now. Jack Pisoviac, we write back, We're talking
AI today. Real America's Voiceail Meridia Network.
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The Congressional Budget Office says that President Donald Trump's Big
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We'll go head back now to Jack Pasobac and Human Events.
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And Jack.
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Where is he? Jack?
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I want to see you.
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Great job, Jack, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
What the job do you do?
Speaker 11 (26:03):
You know, we have an incredible thing.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
We're always talking about the fake.
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News and de band but we have guys and these
are the guys should forgetting pulses?
Speaker 7 (26:13):
Are Jack Clovic back Human Events Daily?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Last week I recorded a debate with Livvy Emmons regarding AI.
We weren't able to play it because of time constraints,
but we have it and we're going to play it.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
For you right now.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
She and I have been having a long standing debate
about the use of AI, and I think it was
time for another round because you wrote another op ed
on it and I was like, all right, let's see
what Libby's got to say about AI now.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
So for folks who hadn't.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Seen the earlier stages of this debate, I have said
that AI is okay to use, and I've clearly used
it in marketing, and I've used it in some things,
you know, either for the show or video that we've made,
what we made, the preceptions of various videos in the past,
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even years ago. And Libya is just totally against AI.
She's like a lot of it, she doesn't want to
use it. She's militantly a lot of on the question
of AI. So I've wanted to get into this op
ed Libby, I've had it.
Speaker 11 (27:22):
I wouldn't say I'm a lot I would say I'm
a lover of humanity and I love words and I
love stories.
Speaker 8 (27:27):
So just pushing back right there.
Speaker 11 (27:30):
But yeah, we've seen some recent developments in AI that
have been pretty stunning, and I would say back up
my view, which is that AI is a tool and
it's not a tool that should be used by someone
who doesn't know how to use that tool. We had
a situation recently where a commissioned author wrote a summer
reading list and used AI to get recommendations for that
(27:51):
recommended summer reading list, and the AI spit out a
bunch of fake books by real authors, so that actually
he didn't check it, didn't check it, his editors didn't
check it. No fact checkers checked it, and the whole
thing ran in a big advertorial supplement in the Philadelphia
Inquirer and the Chicago Sun.
Speaker 8 (28:08):
Times, so that was amazing.
Speaker 11 (28:10):
A federal judge is seeking to hold a law firm
in Alabama for sanctions after that law firm filed a
brief with fake citations of fake cases in order to
defend themselves, and that's not the first time that that
has happened. What we have going on here is what
are being called AI hallucinations, otherwise known as complete and
(28:30):
total lies and fabrications, where AI has asked a question
and it just makes stuff up, and then people are
too lazy to check what the AI has spit back
out at them and just run with it, completely unaware
and apparently unperturbed by the fact that they're just spreading lies.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Well so so, and I agree with you that AI does.
And I've always said that AI you can't take it
at face value. You always have to edit, you have
to have a human coming in and doing But I
suppose my issue though, isn't necessarily that people are being lazy.
Of course are being lazy, but what they're But the
other side is that if you only have the firm
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that's using humans only, and other people are using AI
as a tool, not as the end all be all,
but as a tool, they are going to lap you
and they are going to get ahead of you. And
that's always been my position. And I want to play
and I apologize that the the on the radio side,
you won't be able to hear this the podcast side.
But there's this video that the Wall Street Journal put together,
(29:32):
this new movie that came out from just just it's
completely AI generated. It's completely AI created, every scene of it.
Every there are no humans involved, there are no actual
there's It's My Life with My Robot. It's sort of
a sitcom. And I'm sorry, and and Libby you've seen
(29:52):
this as well.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
It looks almost perfect, It looks.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Almost perfect, like something you would see on TV that anytime.
Yet there's no actor that's it's kind of cute. It's
called my robot in me. It's very funny, and it's
all AI generated. And so I guess my question is,
if you're putting out stuff like this, how are you
going to compete cost wise? If you have to pay
actors and writers and producers and all the rest, when
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the company next to you is producing stuff that's eighty
ninety percent is good but for a drastically reduced cost.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (30:28):
I see what you're saying about the cost issue. And
I don't think that humanity. I don't think that artists
need actually to spend a whole lot of money to
make good art. I don't think that's necessarily what has
to happen. Also, I would pause it that a small wonder.
I don't know if you remember, that show was at
least just as good as this robot show that's come
out now. That's you know, i'll manufactured this way. But
(30:53):
the thing too, that I think it's really important to
recognize is that the AI models that are being try
are being trained on existing content, and so far that
existing content is human generated, it's you know, all of
the stuff on the Internet that has been written and
created by human beings, from filmmakers to writers, to actors
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and producers and whoever else, and that's what the AI
is being trained on. But we're increasingly going to get
to a situation where AI is being trained on AI content,
and we're going to find ourselves in an endless regurgitation
loop with absolutely no new ideas being presented or consumed,
and human beings perhaps are going to be satisfied with
(31:37):
something that appears to be good enough, but it's not
really going to be as worthwhile as what comes out
of the human brain. We like to say to ourselves
that AI is thinking, but you can only truly believe
that AI is thinking if you don't think very highly
of thinking itself. Because AI is not actually generating anything new.
It is simply amalgamating that which is already out there,
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and it doesn't have the capability of distinguishing between good
and bad, or right and wrong, or true and false.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Well, Well, libya, and I'll throw you.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I'll throw this one to you here because there was
an article I think it was an op ed I
guess out of the Register earlier this week that says
there are signs of AI model collapse that are beginning
to reveal themselves, and I don't want to go through
all of the all of the iterations of it. It's
(32:30):
talking about how search engines are now being AI optimized,
how AI is definitely better for search than Google has
ever been. Google is no longer the best search engine. However,
one of the big issues that they have is that
so AI is currently being trained in these large language models,
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is being trained on the open Internet. In many cases,
they're not being trained on archives. And the issue with
that is that there's now so much much AI generated
content on the Internet that it's being trained by content
that is itself AI generated. So it gets to your point,
this is speaking exactly to what you're saying, that the
AI is being trained on AI generated content, and so
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without the human generated content it is now the models
are degrading and the models are failing. And this is because,
by the way, just to step back for a second,
this is because what we're referring to in terms of chat,
TPT and rock and even XAI, it's not actually artificial intelligence.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
What it is our large language models. What does that do?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
It takes in large bulks of information, words, sentences, phrases,
newspaper articles, novels, books, magazines, et cetera, movie scripts, plugs
them all in together and then creates an algorithm basically
of how humans speak by defining word maps, which word
is close to another word, and things like this, And
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so it can understand that based on where humans have written.
The problem is as you go into more and more
AI generated content, the human touch is lost, and therefore
the AI itself becomes graded. So this is already becoming
an issue as people look at these models. And I
guess there was a paper in Nature in twenty twenty
(34:24):
four that that was talking about this and said and quote,
the model becomes poisoned with its own projection of reality,
and we're talking about error accumulation, et cetera, et cetera. However,
I'm still going to stick with my position here because
this is an issue with this particular version of AI. Yeah,
(34:45):
there's going to be, you know, some a bunch of
bugs and glitches and things that need to be worked out.
But I want to be clear about something, and this
is just a fact. This is the worst AI will
ever be because this is version one point zero. So
the thing that we're seeing now, the writing, the movies
that are being generated. It's only going to get better
(35:06):
from here on. Humanity is going to go through a
new epoch. People are currently preparing their entire lives for
career fields that will not exist in five years, and
I don't know if we as a society are even
considering what the implications of this are going to be.
Speaker 11 (35:26):
Yeah, that's why education should not be about preparing for
someone for a job, but should be about preparing yourself
to learn, to change, to grow, to understand, to research,
to figure things out on your own.
Speaker 8 (35:38):
That's what education is about.
Speaker 11 (35:39):
That's what it's supposed to be about. It's not supposed
to be about, you know, figuring out how to be
the best cog in the machine. That's not the point
of it, and it shouldn't be the point of it,
and it wasn't the point of it going back to
the Greeks, you know, who were some of the best educators,
which I think speaks to a certain extent to my point,
which is that the you know, the ancient stuff is
still better than all the AI stuff that's being spit
(36:02):
out right now, and the AI content that's being spit
out right now still requires a human touch. I've messed
around with some of the AI you know, movie generation things,
and I'm certainly not an expert, and I'm not great
at figuring out what the right prompt is to get
what it is that I am hoping for, so I
tend to just go back to trying to draw it. Frankly,
(36:22):
but I think that these are tools. They are tools
that need to be learned how to use them. You
don't just walk into a shop class and start messing
around with the table saw without losing a couple of fingers.
So that's a key part of this, right. You can't
just unleash a massive tool engine like this on the
world and expect it all to get worked out and
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expect people to just figure out how to use it.
It diminishes in many ways the way that we are
using it now. It diminishes what human consciousness is because
we equate human consciousness to the AI, you know, tools
to the AI LL and that's not something that we
should be doing. And I think it's also very important
to remember that AI is created in Man's image and
(37:07):
human beings are created in God's image, and we cannot
turn and start worshiping and venerating this thing that we
have created without climbing that Tower of Babel and getting
smoten down, because that is also what we're looking at.
And that's what some of these AI hallucinations remind me of,
or reminds me of the Golum and Frankenstein and cher
(37:28):
is flying too close to the sun. When we look
to our old stories, we end up seeing what we
can face in the future.
Speaker 8 (37:35):
And we need to heed those lessons for sure. And yeah,
I am.
Speaker 11 (37:38):
Probably hopelessly twentieth century, and you know, I'll stick to
my books and my card catalog for sure. But I'm
not opposed to trying new things. I just think that
we always need to be aware of what it is
that we are giving up when we are grabbing out
into the new shiny thing.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Look, Look, Michael Crichton has always been and continues to
be my fa favorite author, and this is science run
amok has always been and technology run a monk has
always been at the heart of all his writings, as
well as false allegations in the movie Slash book Disclosure Libby, We're.
Speaker 7 (38:15):
Just about out of time. I love the great AI debate.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Where can people, go and follow you get more access
to your work.
Speaker 11 (38:21):
You can find me on x at Libby Emmons, and
of course please check out all the great work we're
doing at Humanevents dot com and the Postmillennial dot com.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Every day Libby Emmons, everyone make sure you are following
her because she's always going to say something incredibly interesting.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
Even when she's wrong, even when Posto's right. As we know,
we'll be right back for great.
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should be called, the Big Beautiful Deportation Bill, because that's.
Speaker 7 (40:48):
What it's all about, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
This is about getting the tools, the resources, and the
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of the federal government to be able to conduct the
mass deportations that wand at the ballot box in twenty
twenty four. And so I understand though that there are
some folks who say, well, wait a minute, wait a minute,
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what about the debt? Okay, what about entitlement programs. When
are we going to get some work done on that?
And let me walk you through this a little bit. Okay,
it's a tweet that I posted earlier today because I said,
I don't think you're thinking of these mass deportations, a
series of tweets that I was posting earlier today thinking
of them in the proper way. And I want to
(41:33):
get your mind right on this, because here's what's going on.
What's going on is you are thinking that deporting people
isn't related to our federal debt and entitlement crisis because
you're only looking at the supply side of the equation.
But if you reduce the demand side of the equation,
(41:57):
you can reduce the overall expenditure. Mass deportations means fiscal responsibility.
And if you seem to understand this, because if you
reduce the amount of people on the entitlement programs, you
will reduce the spending on the entitlement programs and further
(42:17):
reduce the debt. And I can go through stats, I
can go through all day long, the reporting out of
fair reporting, even back in twenty seventeen, Even back in
twenty seventeen, fair was putting out reports saying that illegal
aliens illegal immigration cost Americans over cost on net one hundred.
Speaker 7 (42:39):
And sixteen billion dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
And remember that's indirect and direct costs through entitlement and
welfare programs.
Speaker 7 (42:48):
What do I mean by that?
Speaker 1 (42:49):
While the children of illegal aliens, guess what, they're eligible
for entitlement programs. They're eligible for SNAP, they're eligible for education,
eligible for healthcare in many cases, so they get all
of those things, and then the parents are eligible through
uh will excuse me, they're not eligible, But the parents
do access these programs through a variety of means including oh,
(43:12):
I don't know, fraud in in variety of means, including
going and getting a driver's license in places where you're
able to get one where they're not checking your citizenship,
and then going signing up for public benefits. Forty three
percent of immigrants, illegal and legal are on some form
of welfare program forty three percent in this country. And
(43:34):
so if you reduce the amount of illegal aliens in
this country, the solution mass deportations. Guess what you will
reduce the amount of this is like basic one oh
one level stuff. But it's amazing because I hear all
these fiscal hawks, and people say, oh, oh oh, you
just want to fund mass deportations.
Speaker 7 (43:53):
That's what this bill is about.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
That's what the big beautiful deportation bill is about. That's
all you care is mass deportations. What about fiscal policy?
What about fiscal conservatism? And I'm just sitting there like guys,
it's very simple. You can either have social programs or
an open border, but you can't have both. You can't
have what we've been running in this country for the
(44:15):
past and I don't. I'm not just gonna say under
the Biden autopen administration. No, I'm going to say, going
all the way back under Bush, all the way back
even too the nineteen eighties, it's been a free for
all in this country. Open borders and generous and robust
social programs are the the death knell of any nation.
Speaker 7 (44:37):
You can't have both.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
So if you invite the entire world and say, come
take our free stuff, what do you think the world's
gonna do, boys and girls. And by the way, I
get it, this is basic economic incentives. Especially if you
live within within walking distance or caravanning distance of the
United States. Of course you're gonna do that you're gonna
come up from Guatemala or any of these places. Why
(45:00):
because they're giving out free stuff and you got it's
not to mention these you know, somehow they're they're able
to make their way from Africa over to the United States.
Have you ever looked at one of those flights, Those
aren't Those aren't free. Okay, plane tickets are not exactly
the cheapest thing on the planet. So they're all coming over. Understand,
it's very simple. Pass the big beautiful deportation bill, and
(45:23):
the deportations will reduce the size of the entitlement programs.
Stop looking only at the supply side and look at
the demand side. Reduce the users by removing them from
the country.
Speaker 7 (45:40):
What a concept.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Jack Posobik. You've been
watching human events daily. Ladies and gentlemen. As always, you
have my permission to lay shore
Speaker 4 (45:52):
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