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May 22, 2025 46 mins

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Segment A: The Latest Unhuman Killing in Washington DC

Segment B:  The 5 Year Anniversary of the George Floyd Riots

Segment C: The Symphony of Lies Told During the Derek Chauvin Case 

Segment D: What is the SALT part of the Big Beautiful Bill?

Segment E: The Looming Crisis of the National Debt

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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(01:13):
policy and national security of the United States of America.
President Trump is fast tracking energy projects nuclear as we
just heard, but also oil and coal. US intelligence suggests
Israel is preparing for a potential strike on Iranian nuclear facilities.

Speaker 6 (01:29):
The deadly shooting in Washington, d C. Happening right outside
the Capital Jewish Museum where a young diplomat's reception organized
by the American Jewish Committee was being held. A man
and woman, both staffers at the Israeli Embassy.

Speaker 7 (01:41):
Were killed.

Speaker 6 (01:42):
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chanting Free Palestine, Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Human Events Daily Here Live Washington DC. Today's May twenty second,
twenty twenty five, Anno Domini Well, folks, Unhuman violence has
made its way to street assassinations in Washington, DC. This
comes on the heels of the left embracing Luigi Maggioni,

(02:25):
the left endorsing him, supporting him, CNN platforming Luigi Maggione's fandom,
Caitlan Collins sharing out a link for Luigi Maggione's prowdfund.
Taylor Lorenz, formerly of The Washington Post, going on on
television and saying that she felt joy when Luigi Maggioni

(02:46):
killed a man in cold blood and the coddling of
killers like Carmelo Anthony and killers from Trende Arragua and
MS thirteen. I went to the White House several weeks
ago and warned about the rise of the left's embrace
of assassination culture and said that there will be more

(03:08):
of this, specifically in Washington, DC, if something is not
done about it. These unhumans, these people, they hate the world,
they hate humanity, they hate themselves. And remember and be
clear about this. This was not done for the people

(03:32):
of Palestine. Luigi Maggioni's shooting was not done over healthcare
rights BLM was not conducted over racial harmony. Okay, the
violence is the point. The violence is the tactic. Race communism,
race Marxism is done because they want the violence. Everything

(03:56):
else is window dressing. Everything else is just a sales
pitch to get you to go along with it, to
justify it. And unfortunately there are so many people in
our country. Elizabeth Warren said, this is a warning. AOC
said she could understand why Luigi Maggioni did it. Well,
guess what it's come now to the nation's capital and

(04:20):
two young victims, Yaron Leshinsky and Sarah Lynn Milgram, have
lost their lives because of this street assassination. Absolutely horrible
and disgusting. And understand though, folks, there are people in
this country who support this and want to.

Speaker 7 (04:40):
See more of it. We'll be right back at Human
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Speaker 3 (05:10):
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Speaker 8 (06:39):
So.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
One of the cases of violence that we're talking about,
and certainly have been talking about for a long time,
is the rise of BLM, which led to something that
has been referred to as the Fall of Minneapolis.

Speaker 7 (06:54):
And the reporter who put together that.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Documentary, The Fall of Minneapolis, joins us now from Alpha News.

Speaker 7 (07:01):
It is Liz Colin. Liz, how are you doing.

Speaker 9 (07:04):
Well, Jack, Good to see you, Thanks for having me back.

Speaker 7 (07:07):
Liz.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Can you believe it has been five years since the
George Floyd moment?

Speaker 9 (07:14):
You know, I think in so many ways, so much
has change. But then also I think I've been reminded
this week if you pay any attention to the mainstream news,
how little has changed. And that's sort of been our
goal for these last few years to try to wake
people up here is the truth about what actually took
place in all of this. But you know, even in

(07:36):
your first segment what you were talking about just sort
of normalizing violence, we still have this, you know, sort
of peaceful protest messaging that's been put on us here
in Minnesota, despite you know, fifteen hundred businesses being damaged
or destroyed in the riots. And let's not forget about
the homicide rate that has completely skyrocketed in the last
few years, and crime rate just overall, not just in Minneapolis,

(07:58):
but across this of Minnesota, across the country.

Speaker 7 (08:02):
And I truly think Jack.

Speaker 9 (08:04):
That until people acknowledge this tell the truth, I'm not
sure how this gets better. And you know, I'm kind
of curious what you think there as well.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
I think we do need truth, and I also think
that we need really just a zero tolerance policy for violence.

Speaker 7 (08:22):
Violence is never acceptable.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
It doesn't matter what cause you support, or what your
opinions are on some far off conflict, or what your
opinions are about law enforcement, et cetera. Guess what. We
live in a free country. There is a place for
things like that. It is called the ballot box. We
have the First Amendment. We have bend over backwards to

(08:44):
allow people to express their First Amendment rights in this country,
which don't exist, by the way, anywhere else in the world.
Go to England right now, you get arrested for tweets
and memes and posts on Facebook. We have this in
the United States, and so when anyone turns to violence,
they need to be brought to justice immediately. And unfortunately,

(09:06):
there are too many people who have taken this soft
position on political violence, and that's why the flames have fanned,
I think to the point where they are now. Something
I think though, when it comes to getting to the
truth of this also matters as well. I've talked about
it for a long time. You've talked about it for
a long time. Where are we at and where are
you at on your recording on the case of Derek Chauvin.

Speaker 7 (09:30):
You know, we.

Speaker 9 (09:30):
Actually just put out a recent series over at Alpha News.
You can find it on Alpha News MN that's our
YouTube channel, but three different parts. We have a long
conversation with Tutao. He's one of the police officers still
in prison. He was keeping the crowd back that day.
He was given an extra year on his sentence because

(09:51):
he was reciting Bible verses during his sentencing, and the
far left judge in Hanifan County, Peter Cahill, did not
like that added another year to his sentence. He will
be out this coming fall. Our second story in the
series focuses on Alex King, the black police officer who
arrested George Floyd that the media completely ignored because of

(10:12):
course this was also all about our racial reckoning, despite
all of these officers being from a mixed race background.
But don't let the facts actually get in the way
of this divisive narrative that we're trying to push on
the public. And then our third part in the series
we just released a couple days ago, and that's kind
of a behind the scenes of this defamation case that
has been dismissed against us now and how this has

(10:35):
really brought more of the truth to light about this
testimony involving now Assistant police Chief Katie Blackwell of the
Minneapolis Police Department and all of these officers coming forward
to say that she perjured herself in Derek Chauvin's trials,
So those are all available for free to see on
our YouTube channel. And this week, though you'll like this,
Jack I was referred to by Minnesota's largest newspaper there,

(10:58):
the Star Tribune soulless filmmaker, I'm a political extremist, just
in case you're wondering, And they went after us saying
George Floyd's story is being rewritten, this narrative is being rewritten.
But yet they turned off all of the comments related
to that story on all of their social media channels.

(11:18):
So that is what we deal with here in Minnesota,
and sadly, the public is worse off for it because
they're simply just not even getting the truth.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Well, is what's going on here is that when we
live in a time of lies, and when those in
power are able to maintain their power because of lies,
the most threatening individual to them is the truth teller.
And that's what you have been and that's what you're reporting,
has been simply telling the truth so that these lies

(11:49):
that they derive their power base from will be eroded
because they rightly view the truth as a threat to
their power, a threat to their infrastructure.

Speaker 7 (11:58):
And that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
By the way, they could easily just come clean and
tell the truth and then stand before the voters of
the city, the voters of the state. But it's quite
interesting that they don't seem to want to do that.
We actually have a clip, I think from one of
your recent interviews that sort of gets to this that
I want to play.

Speaker 9 (12:17):
Now you have the body camera withheld from the public
for months. Do you think if they would have just
come out and told the truth about everything from the beginning,
we'd even be here.

Speaker 7 (12:27):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 10 (12:29):
No, I mean the things would not happen in the
way that of all that evidence is the autopsy. Some
people are, oh, I don't care about the autopsy. How
can you not care about the autopsy. It's all part
of the evidence of the whole case. You put you
bring all that out, laid all on table, let everybody
look at.

Speaker 7 (12:43):
It, and no, we're not going to be here.

Speaker 9 (12:46):
So the truth really mattered here and they didn't tell it.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Absolutely absolutely, And so give us the context.

Speaker 7 (12:54):
What was he saying there?

Speaker 9 (12:57):
Yeah, As part of part of these stories, we talked
to some former Minneapolis police officers that went ahead and
did these declarations for our case. They're very courageous to
come forward and speak out against the you know, the
number two in charge of the police department. But they
talked about that just you know, this gutted the Minneapolis
Police Department down about forty percent still now, you know,

(13:19):
five years later, and actually just yesterday we saw the
mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Frye, and the current police chief,
Brian O'Hara, stand before reporters and talk about, you know,
this federal consent decree. They've now said that the dj
is not going to impose this in Minneapolis, but they
are so desperate to have you know, more oversight on

(13:41):
these these officers that remain, and they were just talking
about how they're moving forward with their own consent decree.

Speaker 7 (13:47):
Anyway.

Speaker 9 (13:47):
It really is really is crazy, despite the fact that
there are you know, there is no evidence that these
actually work, despite the fact that again crime has is
out of control. Things aren't even tracked anymore. And so
we brought a lot of those voices to the table
in these stories and what's really said is you just
don't see these people on being interviewed by anyone else,

(14:09):
and you know, you don't We've always said with this story,
to get as close to the truth as as possible,
and that's what we've been trying to do.

Speaker 7 (14:17):
Quick break coming out.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
By the way, I know that our new DOJ Assistant
Tray General for Civil Rights has also been talking about
the misuse of these consent degrees. Harmie Dillon and accurse
to me that I should probably get the two of
you chatting about that. Perhaps you can come all the
way to DC to give a briefing on just how

(14:38):
horrible this has been. Folks for putting things into action,
because this is an action network. Here on Human Eventure
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Speaker 11 (15:06):
Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm
Terrence Bates. We're following new news out of the White
House where press brief and just wrapped up about thirty
minutes ago White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt confirming that
President Trump just spoke with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nett
and Yahoo and the two are planning to work out
some sort of deal, or at least hoping to work
out some sort of deal with Iran.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
You go ahead, sir, and seek of.

Speaker 5 (15:32):
A New Year toss between Ran and the US forty
kikh place on Friday, and Ran, what's the name.

Speaker 12 (15:37):
President into scooting Hirat And if the deal doesn't come
from that, I'm needing is he going.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
To walk away?

Speaker 12 (15:44):
Well, I'm glad you brought up Iran because I do
have an update. The President spoke to Prime Minister Benjamin
Not in Yahoo today. They had a productive discussion. They
discussed many things, including, of course, the tragic shooting that
took place here in Washington, DC last night.

Speaker 7 (15:59):
But they also did.

Speaker 12 (16:00):
Talk about a potential deal with Iran, which the President
believes is moving along in the right direction. And as
the President told me, and he's told all of you,
this deal with Iran.

Speaker 7 (16:09):
Could end in two ways.

Speaker 12 (16:10):
It could end in a very positive diplomatic solution, or
it could end in a very negative situation for Iran.

Speaker 7 (16:17):
So that's why these talks are taking place later this week.

Speaker 11 (16:21):
As for the tragedy, she meant she discussed excuse me,
President Trump sending his condolences to the families of two
Israeli embassy staff members who were murdered in the nation's capital.
It all happened Wednesday night while the duo was leaving
an event at a Jewish museum. The victim yelled free,
Free Palestine after being arrested. In a true social post,

(16:41):
President Trump writing, these horrible DC killings, based obviously on
anti Semitism, must end now. Hatred and radicalism have no
place in the USA. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyaw who
is out with the similar message, saying we are witnessing
the terrible price of anti Semitism and wild in wild
incitement against Israel. By the way, following the attack, the

(17:03):
Israeli mission in Washington beefed up at security. We're also
learning this morning that the two people killed are a couple.
They were set to get engaged next week. That's a
great check of your headlines. I'm Terrence Bates.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Today. You know that you talk about influencers.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
These are influencers and their friends and mine.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Jack Bick Jack, all.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Right, Jack Posovic, we are back live Human Events Daily.
We're also here on Real America's Voice and the Salem
Radio Network.

Speaker 7 (17:46):
We're on with.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Liz Collin of Alpha News where she's been putting out
just a ton of reports. But you know, we're looking
back on the fifth year of the quote unquote racial
reckoning of George Floyd, the anniversary of which I believe
is Sunday. And now we are seeing this truth that's
come out about the dismissed lawsuit defamation case against herself

(18:11):
and Alpha News, and also Derek Chauvin's response, Liz, can
you walk us through that?

Speaker 9 (18:19):
Yeah, as I was talking about Jack, with these three
stories that we put out recently, we wanted to do
this because we knew that this was going to be
what was happening. Again, we see the corporate media continue
to poison the public, just desperately cling to this dangerous
narrative that just simply is not true.

Speaker 7 (18:36):
The facts do not add up in this case.

Speaker 9 (18:38):
It seems like we've forgotten about how to actually be reporters,
especially in Minnesota. But Derek himself, you hear from him
in this story, and he very frankly says that Katie
Blackwell committed perjury in his state trial. Katie Blackwell was
in charge of the training unit at MPD at the
time that Chauvin and the three other officers were charged.

(19:02):
She takes the stand and she simply says, I do
not recognize this technique. No, I do not recognize this technique.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
I don't know what kind of.

Speaker 9 (19:09):
Improvised, you know technique this is. You also have then
a former police chief, now Madera Aradondo, who has since
resurfaced just this last month or so because he's peddling
a book. He's selling a book about his leadership, which
is really quite a head scratcher, and he still is
focused on all of these these racial components to this

(19:30):
case again that don't exist. And these officers have spoken
with me very candidly about his you know, so called leadership,
never once talking to any of these officers involved. And
he also admits he never even watched the body camera
footage of this case he made. He says, in his
own words, the decision right there to fire Derek and
the other officers, not actually knowing then that you had

(19:53):
George Floyd talking about how he couldn't breathe long before
he was on the ground, long before you know, George
Floyd himself has to be laid on the ground. He
didn't know obviously that Thomas Lane called for an ambulance
thirty six seconds after that took place. That Tutao, another officer,
was asking where is that ambulance and sort of upping

(20:14):
their response. So it's truly amazing to me how so
many people choose at this point to remain in the
dark about what happened that day back in twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Well and the officers the response, and again, psychologically, it's
one of these things where people would much rather believe
their narratives, and a narrative that is repeated ad infinitum,
and certainly was in twenty twenty, but because it was
so polarized at the time, nobody wanted to hear the truth.

(20:48):
Now Here we are five years later, and I think
people are finally starting to be able to hear it.
But unfortunately for Derek Chauvin, it hasn't been you. It
comes perhaps good news, but he's actually borne the brunt
of it. So while society can move on, he cannot
because he's still behind bar.

Speaker 9 (21:08):
Yeah, and at this point he will remain behind bars
for more than a decade to come. There was some
rumors circulating recently that we chose not to report on
because again it seemed almost as something being stirred by
the left, But that President Trump would grant.

Speaker 7 (21:27):
Him a federal pardon.

Speaker 9 (21:30):
Complicates things a bit as well, because he would still
be brought back to Minnesota, and our Governor Tim Walls
and our Attorney General Keith Ellison couldn't say enough when
those rumors were circulating, How no, he's going to come
back here and serve every last second in prison, in
a state prison. But you do see Jack, and I'm
sure you see this as well, just the comments and

(21:52):
how the tide I think has turned quite a bit
when it came to this situation because I think simply
before people weren't exactly aware of of what took place.
And so that's what we've been trying to do is
counter this and at least there are facts now and
there's no excuse really, you know, not to know. And
that's always been been my message all along. You know,

(22:14):
question this information, think for yourself, think critically rather than
you know, just just taking you know, what these people
are saying for the truth, because see what's in it
for them that and that's what I think is quite telling.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Amen, Liz Colin, we're just about out of time here
at human events. Where can people go to follow you
and get access to these new reports?

Speaker 9 (22:37):
Yeah, you find me Liz Colin on X and you'll
see them them there. But Elphanews MN on our YouTube
channel elphanews dot org. It's all there, but really appreciate
your support always, Jack. Thanks for fighting the good.

Speaker 7 (22:49):
Fight, folks.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
One day they are going to be naming journalism rewards
after Liz Colin. If we are able to actually win
this thing. If we're able to win, that's what victory
conditions look like, folks.

Speaker 7 (23:04):
We'll be right back here.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Human Events got a deep dive on the Big Beautiful Bill.
When we return Real America's Voice and the Salem Radio Network.

Speaker 7 (23:14):
Jackisbad.

Speaker 11 (23:35):
Welcome to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates.
House Republicans are taking a bit of a victory lap
after passing President Trump's One Big Beautiful Bill Act. It
came down to a two hundred and fifteen to two
hundred and fourteen vote in the early morning hours of today,
following a marathon twenty four plus hour hearing in the
House Rules Committee in order to clear the way for

(23:57):
today's vote.

Speaker 13 (23:59):
Thank god for House Republicans and thank god for our
President Donald J.

Speaker 7 (24:04):
Trump.

Speaker 13 (24:05):
His vision, alongside the work of my colleagues, made today
a historic day. Behind me is what you see, a
unified Republican conference with phenomenal leadership, and this Republican Conference
works as a team. This transformational legislation will provide safety

(24:26):
in security for generations to come.

Speaker 11 (24:30):
GOP holdouts Chip Roy and Ralph Norman had a change
of heart and ultimately supported the bill. House Freedom Caucus
Chairman Andy Harris apparently remains on the fence as he voted. President.
Republican Representatives Thomas Massey of Kentucky and Warren Davidson of
Ohio were no votes.

Speaker 7 (24:47):
Republican Congress Members.

Speaker 11 (24:48):
David Schweikert of Arizona and Andrew Gabarino of New York
didn't vote at all. We're, of course, working to confirm
reports that one of them fell asleep and missed the vote,
while the other showed up MO moments too late in
order to cast his vote. President Trump sending his condolences
to the families of two Israeli embassy staff members who
were murdered in the nation's capital. It all happened Wednesday

(25:11):
night while the duo was leaving an event at a
Jewish museum. The victim yelled free, Free Palestine after being arrested.

Speaker 7 (25:19):
In a true social post.

Speaker 11 (25:20):
President Trump writing these horrible DC killings based obviously on
anti Semitism must end now. Hatred and radicalism have no
place in the USA. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyah, who
is out with a similar message, saying, we are witnessing
the terrible price of anti Semitism and wild incitement against Israel.

(25:40):
That's a great check over your headlines. I'm Terrence Bates.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Hey, Jack, where's Jack?

Speaker 7 (25:55):
Where's Jack Worthy? Jack? I want to see you. Great job, Jack,
Thank you, what a job you do.

Speaker 9 (26:05):
You know, we have an incredible think.

Speaker 7 (26:07):
We're always talking about the fake news.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
The demand, but we have guys and these are the
guys just for getting publishes. All right, Jack, So we
are back live here Washington, DC. You're on Real America's
Voice as well as live on the Salem Radio Network.
Our three Charlie Kirk audience want to welcome them in.

(26:29):
We've got a big treat for you guys, because there's
a lot going on in Washington, d C. So we
had to put this together. Of course, we saw that
the big beautiful bill, President Trump's bill passed the House
last night, a ton of debate passes with one vote
actually in at six am in the morning.

Speaker 7 (26:49):
This thing passed.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
So they were held overnight holding these debates. And yet
it will soon head over to the Senate. There will
be a process of reconciliation and we're going to see
how this all shapes out.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
And so I.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Wanted to and because this is a money fight, this
is a budget bill, and I wanted to bring on
someone who wasn't a politician, someone who doesn't have a
an R or a D or a you know, a
representative of a certain place and isn't standing for election,
but someone who actually understands the business world and understands
the economy in a way that will help us understand

(27:28):
what this bill does, doesn't do, could perhaps be made better.

Speaker 7 (27:32):
And that is Jeff Webb.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
He's the CEO of the Human Events Media Group and
a business entrepreneur in his own right. Jeff, how are you, Jack,
Great to see you. Yeah, thanks for coming on.

Speaker 7 (27:45):
Man.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
So when when you look at the bill, just give
me your sense, you know, just just from the hip,
do you like it, did not like it some parts
other parts?

Speaker 7 (27:53):
What's your sense of it?

Speaker 14 (27:56):
The answer is just the you know, it's a start.
And if you look at the alternative, which would be
to let the uh you know, the original tax cuts
expire and begin negotiating line by line different bills to
try to get them through.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Which would never happen. I think I think it's better
than that. Is it flawed?

Speaker 14 (28:17):
Does it have some things that I think could be
a lot better? Of course, But you know, again, this
this is the problem Jack, with having a very very
slim majority in the House, individual congressman, and.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
I'm not even talking about Democrats.

Speaker 14 (28:32):
Republicans have a disproportion that say and what a final
bill looks like because just a few of them, as
we saw almost happened, could take a particular issue focus
on that threaten to completely blow up the whole legislation.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
So they end up getting certain provisions that, uh that
we may not like. And that's that's what's happened here.

Speaker 14 (28:54):
You're right about it's going to be anozing to see
what happens when the bill gets to the Senate.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
But I think, you know what, I think it's a.

Speaker 14 (29:00):
Start, and it does beat the alternative of having nothing.

Speaker 9 (29:05):
Well.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Well, we know that one of the big pieces of
this that came up, and social media was really firing
off on this was the question of the salt deduction
and the salt cap, and that's something for a lot
of my readers and listeners were.

Speaker 7 (29:22):
Saying, what is this, you know, why does this matter?
Is this a big deal?

Speaker 3 (29:25):
So I was wondering if I could ask you, if
you could walk us through the salt deduction and why
it does matter.

Speaker 14 (29:32):
Sure, Well, if you live in a blue state where
you have high personal income tax in particular, and you're
a high income earner, this is a big day for
you because you're on the way to a payday. If
you're in a red state and in particular one of
the few red states says no federal income tax, and

(29:55):
maybe you're not a high earner. This is really a
bad part work of the legislation. You know, SAW stands
for state and local taxes, and it's designed it's a
carve out, and it's designed to allow individuals in these
high income tax states take New York, New Jersey, California,

(30:17):
to deduct from their taxes a good percentage of what
they pay in state and local taxes. So if you're
in New Jersey and you know you've got high state
income taxes, you can take a good percentage of that
and deduct whatever you're paying New Jersey from your income
at the federal level.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Now, if you're not in.

Speaker 14 (30:40):
One of those states and you don't get that benefit,
then in effect, you're.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Kind of subsidizing those people to do so. I think
it's a terrible thing.

Speaker 14 (30:49):
I think anything that pits I mean, the income tax
itself is bad enough as far as just pitting people
against each other.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
But when you get to this.

Speaker 14 (30:58):
Level of you know, of these issues that are just
so targeted to certain individuals, I think it's just suspicable.
Hopefully the Senate, I know, I've written to my two Senators,
Bill Haggerty and Marshall Blackburn to try to reverse this
to some extent. But again, you had these congressmen from

(31:19):
New York, New Jersey, California who were threatening to blow
up the entire legislation if they didn't.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Get their way here.

Speaker 14 (31:27):
So, you know, that's one of the main provisions that
I think is suspect.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Hopefully it'll be changed.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
And this is something by the way, so the salt
cap is something that President Trump had actually said quite
low in the original tax bill back in twenty seventeen
when it was passed that those of courses people know
they are coming up for their expiration date. That's one
of the main reasons for this bill. Is not the
only reason, but it's another thing that's in this bill
to keep the tax cuts going to where they are.
But this is one provision specifically on a deduction. And

(31:58):
it makes sense the way you explain that, because I
know there were a lot of people saying, how does
this work? You know, what is the salt is that?
Like you know, what's like one of those like no, no, no.
It totally makes sense that if you live in one
of those high tax blue states, which I know that
by the way, believe it or not, Jeff, we do
have a lot of listeners in blue states. We have

(32:19):
a lot of supporters in blue states, you know. And
then you got some folks and you know where I'm
from in Pennsylvania where it's a purple state, so you know,
it's a you know, we do have the state income tax.
We've well, we've got a lot of people also in
places like Florida and Tennessee and Texas where the personal
intermetaxes is low or it doesn't exist. And so that's

(32:39):
what that's what makes the difference, because it's actually forcing
people to who are paying in to the federal government
in those red states that don't have the ability to
take any deduction because you know, you can't deduct from zero,
so the deduction from zero is nothing.

Speaker 7 (32:58):
So all your money is going to federal government.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
And then any money that the federal government receives from
those individuals, well, guess what when it goes back to
those blue states, then it's all coming from the red states.
Which is interesting because this is something you hear. Gavin
Newsom talks about this all the time. He says, he says, oh,
it's the red states that are taking the money. It's
the rare subsidizing the red states. He uses this talking
point all the time. But where you Gavin news when

(33:21):
it comes to salt deduction. Tom tells me that he's
all for it, isn't he?

Speaker 2 (33:26):
I think he is. And by the way, here's an idea.

Speaker 14 (33:28):
If you want to make things fair, why don't we
say that if you're in a red state, that you
can take a deduction. Since you don't, let's just say
you're in Florida, no state income text. Let's say then
that you say, okay, well I'll be able to deduct
my property taxes.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
How's that?

Speaker 14 (33:45):
And that way it'll be fair. Because those states, the
red states, most of them have found a way to
handle their budgets to the best of their ability without
having high income taxes. They do it in different ways
and again, and I believe that what the salt. What
salt does, it is encourages these states that are inefficient,

(34:07):
that are spending way too much money, way beyond their means.
It encourages them to keep doing that. It gives them
an advantage. So it really does exactly what we don't need.
We need more efficiency at all levels of government. And
this doesn't work that way.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Well it doesn't, And you're right, you know, that's a
perfect example to say, well, why not deduct your property taxes?

Speaker 7 (34:31):
Why not deduct this?

Speaker 3 (34:32):
And it's kind of silly when you think about it, because,
as everyone knows, state taxes go to state government. Federal
taxes go to federal government. So any money that's or
any gap in the state budget, of course, is going
to be made up from the federal government. So the
idea that you're going to be deducting this from your

(34:53):
federal taxes, well they're going to different it's different pots
of money, it's a different place. So there's different programs,
there's different levels government that got.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Right subsidizing the blue states their budgets. I'm not sure
anybody's some.

Speaker 7 (35:07):
Favor that well.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
And in addition, I was just going to add that
these are the same blue states that a lot of
these a lot of these people, you voted for this,
You voted for these governors, You voted for this government
in your state that set it up this way. You say, oh,
our taxes are too high, well, then vote against it.

Speaker 7 (35:23):
It's easily got that.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
That's exactly the case.

Speaker 14 (35:26):
And then of course you got to feel sorry for
those people in those states who didn't vote for those
governors or those legislators who who voted kind of our way,
if you will, and they're kind of stuck with it.
But you know, get more involved, spend more money, do
something to change the people who are making those decisions.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
It's so simple, and so it's it's a classic, classic
example dound cliche. But you know, do as I say,
not as I do, right, So deductions for me but
not for thee And it's just absolutely classic. And so
so I do think that that's something, and in fact,
I think we're going to make that our question of

(36:05):
the day at human events, So I want people to
go seventeen seventy six at human events dot com. Seventeen
seventy six at human events dot com. Is the salt
deduction a subsidiary for Democrat governors or blue state governors.
So send us your questions, comments and analysis on that.
Seventeen seventy six at Humanevents dot com.

Speaker 7 (36:27):
JEFB. Are there any other pieces?

Speaker 8 (36:29):
Now?

Speaker 3 (36:29):
I expect this is going to come up in the Senate?
Are there any other pieces of the bill? Do you
think that when it gets to the Senate side that
they're really going to be the getting into the debate over.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Well, apparently the kind of the.

Speaker 14 (36:43):
Provisions in Medicaid where you know, able body people are
going to be required to work rather than receive the benefit.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
You know, when you go back and look at the
number of.

Speaker 14 (36:53):
The expansion and Medicaid, especially especially the ramp up beginning
with COVID, where so many people were laid off and
out of work, and you know, they kind of game
the system and ended up being accepted into Medicaid. I
know some examples where there's corruption that involved around that,
and you know, COVID is over, jobs are available instead

(37:19):
have gone back, and.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
I've looked up and gone well.

Speaker 14 (37:22):
With medicaid, I've got this in effect for reinsurance, I've
got a subsidy.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
I can probably get a little gig on.

Speaker 14 (37:28):
The side for cash, and then I'll go back to work.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
I mean, this is only anecdotal, but.

Speaker 14 (37:35):
Certainly my experience has been traveling around that. In general,
people talk about customer service, service industry.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Jobs, things like that.

Speaker 14 (37:47):
Nobody used to be and when you talked to them,
many of these establishments, when you say, what's happened here?

Speaker 2 (37:53):
This used to be a place I'd love to come to.

Speaker 14 (37:55):
There was great service, not only great food or great
product or whatever.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
They all say. We can get enough people.

Speaker 7 (38:01):
We can't get.

Speaker 14 (38:02):
People to come back to work, and that's gonna have
to be It's going to have to be addressed now.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
In the Jeff, Jeff, we've got a heartbreak coming up
here in just a couple of seconds, so I want
to hold that thought and then get it over to
the next side.

Speaker 7 (38:17):
Here.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Uh, you're on with Jeff, web business entrepreneur CEO of
Human Events Media Group. We're talking about the big beautiful bill,
the subsidies that are going in and some things that
perhaps we wish we weren't funding.

Speaker 7 (38:31):
Yeah, what are what else we could do with some
of that money. I don't know.

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Speaker 3 (40:27):
All right, Jack, all right, Jack Posobic, we are back
here Human Events Daily Live, Real America's Voice Salem Radio Network.
We're on with Jeff web the CEO of the Human
Events Media Group as well as a business entrepreneur, Jeff.
One of the things that and by the way, thank
you so much. I'm reading the comments here. People are saying,

(40:47):
we had no idea what the salt deduction was, we
didn't understand why it worked, we didn't know we should
be for it or against it. And people are just
over the moon about this because they're saying, now.

Speaker 7 (40:58):
I totally get it.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
This is a joke, And it wasn't until Jeff came
on and walked us through that, and you did it
in such an expert way that and easy to understand
way as well, that people kind of get it now
and they say, well, wait a minute, no, I like
it the old way.

Speaker 7 (41:14):
Where it was set very very low.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
One of the other pieces of this, though, that I
know a lot of people have gotten into. Scott Adams
has been talking about this on his show, is how
that unfortunately this will add to the debt and the
debt issue has become a ticking time bomb, and really
is a debt bomb where we've been spending money, We've
been printing money, we've been borrowing money from the Chinese

(41:39):
and the Saudias and others, and unfortunately there are huge
concerns that a lot of people have with the debt.

Speaker 14 (41:48):
Well, you're right, and I think I'll write a book
about this a few years ago.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
And it's been frustrating.

Speaker 14 (41:53):
Because I think people have not focused on the national
debt like it needs to be focused on. And you're
you're exactly right the perfect words, ticking time ball, and
especially for those in the younger generations, Uh, you know,
people like me that the boomers are going to time
out on this and you're going to be left with
this huge.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Nut to crack. And there's a lot a happy ending there.

Speaker 14 (42:18):
And unfortunately this bill does add to the deficit.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
And how does that? What does that mean?

Speaker 14 (42:26):
Well, it means interest rates are higher. Means who's going
to pay? I mean if you're if you own a
home and you're spending money in your and you're or
you're you're running your credit cards up, I mean you're
getting that interest Eventually you have to pay the principle
back too, and there aren't very.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Many pleasant ways to do that.

Speaker 14 (42:44):
And I'm hoping, I'm hoping President Trump has talked about it.
I'm hoping once we get this bill in and if
we get it passed, then we're going to put some
things in place that also begin to address that debt,
because again, it reflects itself in.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
High interest rates.

Speaker 14 (43:02):
You know, the whole generation of young people who are
having a hard time buying a home getting a loan
with an interest rate that makes it attractive. This is
one of the things that reflects this this large national
debt that's getting bigger and bigger and bigger. So I'm
glad to bring it up. It's something that has to

(43:23):
be addressed.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
It has to.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Jeff, let people know while you're on here, and we've
got you Coast to Coast on the Salem Radio Network.
Let people know, by the way you mentioned the book.
Tell people the name of the book and where they
can get it.

Speaker 14 (43:37):
Well, it's the book you well, you can you can
find it on Amazon.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Fun.

Speaker 14 (43:42):
Let me let me hold a coffee up right here.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
You gave me the chance.

Speaker 14 (43:46):
It's called American Restoration and the subtitle is how to
unshackle the great middle class.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
And it talks about I grew up in the middle class.

Speaker 14 (43:55):
And probably lower middle class, and it talks about the things,
the every day issues that people need to be focusing
on that have an impact on the middle class.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
One of the things that has set this country.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
Hold it up again, by the way, hold it up
real quickly.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Okay, yep, hold the book.

Speaker 7 (44:11):
Come, yep, the book. You want to see. People can
see it there.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
It is American Restoration Unshackled the Great Mill. And Jeff,
you wrote this even before President Trump returned to office.
And now would you say that he's pursuing the right
kind of policies to actually do that?

Speaker 2 (44:28):
I think in general he is.

Speaker 8 (44:30):
It.

Speaker 14 (44:30):
Also, it also addresses things I know near and dear
to your heart, like endless foreign wars and how we
have sent generations of young people off to die in
these in the sands of the Middle East and other
places for nothing. And I think we're really beginning to
get our arms around that now. But in general, I
think I think on most of these issues, President Trump's

(44:50):
on the right track.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Well, I think that's fantastic. And this is amazing because
it's it's populism. What we're talking about this is the
it's conservative ideals, but understanding that the conservative ideals don't
mean anything if they're not actually helping people. That none
of this stuff means anything. You're not actually helping the
people of the country. They're the ones who make the

(45:15):
country work. They're the ones who make our companies run,
that make our head that work in our enterprises, and
that are ultimately served by it. Jeff, if people want
more information, is there a place they can go to
follow you or just to get the book?

Speaker 14 (45:28):
Oh, you know, we'll go to Amazon to get the
book and they can reach me at chaweb at human
events dot com.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
There you go, all right, folks, he's putting his email out,
Jeff Webb walking us through the ticking time bombs, but
also the potential opportunities and the big beautiful bill Ladies
and gentlemen.

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