June 1, 2025 • 57 mins
SEGMENT 1: Rick Renner & Joseph Z. - As In the Days of Noah
Rick Renner and Joseph Z share their prophetic insights from their recent trip to Turkey, exploring Noah's Ark and what God is revealing in these days about prophetic fulfillment.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, you know the story of Noah's Ark is far
more than just an ancient story. It's a powerful prophetic
symbol for the days we're living in. Well, today's guests
are here to share about their recent trip to Turkey,
where they explored what many believe to be the resting
place of Noah's Arc, and how, yes, a real thing, folks,
Tha's Arc was the real deal, and how these discoveries
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are directly connected to end times. But before we get
to that, joined me around the table, and who is
one of our guests that just got back from Turkey?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Joseph Z.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Hello, ma'am.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Was that a life changing trip for you?
Speaker 4 (00:56):
It was?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I'll tell you have not been on a trip until
you've been with Rick Runner Turkey.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Okay, I want to go. I want to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Dorothy Naton, how are you doing so good? You remember
learning about Noah's.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Yes, when God speaks, you better listen.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Ob obey otherwise are you're going to be left?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
That's right? Who when he shuts the door? That's Rachel
Lamb Brown. How are you hey?
Speaker 6 (01:20):
I named my son Noah, and I love this story
of Noah. He built an arc and a generation that
had never seen rain. I mean, can you imagine having
to have that kind of faith to believe.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
That him and his sons did it. I don't even
know how they did.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
It was only righteous man and a generation.
Speaker 7 (01:35):
And so we write that great.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Great story. Rebecca Lamb Wise, how are you well.
Speaker 8 (01:39):
I'm excited to be here. I'm excited for this topic.
And you know, Jesus said, as in the days of Noah,
So we're talking about Noah now more than ever in.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
The body of Christ. So it's significant, it really is.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Cindy Murdock, I remember being in high school sitting around
the table of friends and one of my friends speaking
up and saying, Oh, that's just a fairy tale. It
didn't really happen, And I said, yes, it did happen. Yes, absolutely,
there wasn't Noah, there wasn't arc There were animals on it.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
And we're going to talk about that goodness and a
man that persevered. Think how long it took him, We're
going to find him how many years? A lot? Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Rick Renter, our resident theologian, is in the building.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I'm so glad to be with you.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
It's so good to have you, and people love your
teaching and this was like one of my favorite books,
y'all fallen Angels, giants, monsters in the world before the flood?
What inspired you to write this book? And then I
couldn't believe how fast you wrote it.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I wrote that book in fifteen days. But Johnny, I
saw a video of these Ruins of Noah's Ark and
I thought it was a joke. I just did not
take it serious. But I just couldn't get it out
of my head. Well, I live in Russia, so that's
just two and a half hours from Turkey.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah.
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So I went with my whole film crew and we
went to the mountains of Ararat to check it out.
And when I got there, I was quite stunned because
it really is the Ruins of Noah's Ark, and it
took me about one hundred years to build it. He
was five hundred when he began to build it. For years, yeah,
six hundred when he entered the arc. Wow, And honestly,
and Joseph can tell you, when you stand, especially at
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the bottom of that arc and look up and see
the size.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Of it, it's huge.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
I mean, you are just breathless. Noah had to be
a very rich man to build that arc.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
So I know we have some I believe some drone
footage to actually show over top is how you can
really see the shape.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah, the drone footage is the best of what happened.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So explain what we're seeing in that.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Well, you see from the from the from the bottom
to the top of the ship, it's exactly three hundred
cubits and when you.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Walk along that's what the Bible says.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
That's what the Bible says.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
So it was.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Exact measurements at the Bible gates exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
And because they've done all the underground scans, it has
three decks exactly like the Bible says. And now when
you walk up from the from the bottom side up
up the side of the ship. Now because it's beginning
to deteriorate, you can see the timber, the ribs of
the ship that are sticking.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
At you know, when Heather came around the corner we're
standing with, she started crying. Yeah, she started crying because
you when you stand there, it's a ship, you know
it is, and it was impacting.
Speaker 7 (04:12):
Are they still excavating.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
It, Well, it's difficult to excavate because of where it is.
That's a very political situation.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Talk about where it landed because so many people they say, well,
it was supposed to be here, and some say no,
it was supposed to be here. But scripturally, talk about
where it is.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Just the line it was Scripture.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Genesis eight four said it landed in the mountains of Ararat.
It never said it landed on Mount Ararat. And in fact,
when the Bible was written, Ararat did not exist. That
was Urratu, and it was the region of Uratu, and
Mount Ararat didn't even exist. It's a stratovolcano. And if
the ark had landed on Mount Ararat that we know today,
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it would have been blown to bits or covered with lava.
But it landed in the region of Ararat, and that's
where it is, just below the Silk Road. Now, if
you read all the ancient writers who traveled the Silk Road,
they all said, if you'll just take a left and
go down the hill from the Silk Road, you will
come to the ruins of Noah's Ark. And the ancient
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people used to go there and take little pieces of
the ark and carve them into amulets and wear them
as jewelry. It's exactly where people always said it was.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Wow, So tell us the story of Noah's Ark for
people who don't know Joseph, Well.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
The story of Noah's Ark is a man who saw
cataclysm coming. He had a warning from God. He built
a boat and eight people went on that thing and
they survived.
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And what else went on there, Well.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
That's for God reset the whole earth. That's for the
giants where I believe wiped out for that season. That's
where we saw terrible things take place. But God put
a stop to it and he reset the whole world.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
So tell us a little bit more in detail what
happened for people who are listening.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Well, God told Noah to build the Ark, and he
said he was going to destroy the earth being no
God is not a destroyer. And when you read that
in the Hebrew that word destroyed, it really describes a
clean up operation. So the earth had become infiltrated by
these giants, which were half breed creatures, and the Bible
says that through them the earth was filled with violence.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
You in your book, but I do what the half breed.
You go into detail. That's where the sons of God.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yeah, men slept with women. The women gave birth to
these giants and then the giants unthinkably slept with animals bestiality,
and the animals gave birth to monsters. And that's why
that book talks about fallen angels, giants and monsters. Monsters
were real in the ancient world, and God said, you
know what, we got to clean this deal up. And
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that's why God sent the flood. And God is so patient.
He waited until all there was left was one man
and his family. That is how he is not willing
that any would perish. He always always waits, and that's
why he's waiting. Now. People say, why hasn't Jesus come.
He's still not willing that any would perish.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Right, how does the flood relate to the intumest.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Well, Jesus said in Matthew twenty four thirty seven, as
it was in the days of Noah, it's going to
be just like that again, before the coming of the
Son of Man. So you've got to go back and
look what was happening in the world before the flood.
A lot of sinister, dark, horrible, horrible things. And most
of those things today in some way are already being
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replicated in our time. And if it's going to be
like it was in the days of Noah. It means
between now and the end, we're going to see some
really nutty stuff. I mean, the nutty stuff hadn't even
begun yet.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It's true's that nutty right now?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Why we need to prepare people.
Speaker 8 (07:38):
One of the things I wanted to say was because
you were talking about growing up, how they would say, Oh,
that didn't really happen.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
That's just the story.
Speaker 8 (07:45):
But when you study ancient texts, people from all different
cultures all around the world have an account of the flood.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
And in fact, the British Museum has one professor that
is just amazing and he has found in the archives
of the British Museum a Kuneam map from Babylon that
shows where the arc is, so that if you wanted
to go see the arc in the ancient world, all
you had to do was follow the map and it's
right there on the map in the British Museum, and
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it's exactly where the darupin our side is in the
mountains of Ararat.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
How did the animals, I mean, were they young? I mean,
how did this did despair of the Lord just get
these animals even they had been tainted to some degree
right on the earth.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Well, none of the animals on the arc had been right.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I know, none of the animals on the art.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
And now here's a question how to know which animals
had not been tainted?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Well, the Bible says that God brought the animals to
no Uh. Noah didn't have to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
That makes sense.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
It's that amazing, amazing.
Speaker 8 (08:43):
And then there's that verse. Isn't there a verse that
when they got off the arc, the Bible says that
God made the animals more tame so they wouldn't hurt
humans or something like that.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Well, I can tell you that Genesis tells us the
animals did not want to leave the arc. You know,
I live in Moscow, and when the weather is cold,
I have to make my dog go outside because it's
so cold.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Well, when they opened the doors to the Ark, those
animals had been through quite a rough ride, and the
Bible says that Noah had to make them leave the Ark.
They were a little afraid to go out into this
new world. And when Noah and his family and animals
left the Ark, it was not a pretty scene. It
was a world of mud here mud. Can you imagine, Lord,
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you gotta be telling me, I went through all of
this to inherit this muddy mess. Yeah, but you know what,
he turned it into something great. And that's what all
of us can do with any of the messes in
our life.
Speaker 8 (09:35):
Who was the person that first figured out recently that
it was in that location in Turkey, because I know
people have been looking for the arc all over.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Well, it was found by a pilot who was flying
over the area. Oh wow, And he was making aerial
photographs because they were going to make new maps. There
had been an earthquake and the earthquake shook all the
dirt off the top of the ark.
Speaker 9 (09:57):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
And it was the first time it had been seen
about fifteen hundred years.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Is such a time?
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Is this in May nineteen forty eight, the same month
that Israel became a nation a prophetic?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Is that that's really something? What was it that stood
out to you, Joseph in that whole trip.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
There was a number of things, But the number one
thing that stood up to me, Rick is when we
went to the altar of I knew you were going to.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Say, you knew it.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
There's a giant stone altar and there's carvings right on
the ground where they did blood letting, to let the
animal's blood they'd sacrifice run off. And when we stood there,
it dawned on me that this is where Noah could
have stood to watch the rainbow appear when God made
the promise, I'll never do this again.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
When I stand on that stone, I get chills.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
And what is the stone exactly?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
It's a massive, massive stone, probably about one hundred yards
from where the arc first landed. And the local Kurds
that have lived there for thousands of years, they took
us right there. They said, this is the stone where
he sacrificed the animals, and you can literally see the
place where the animals were killed. They've carved a channel
where the blood could flow off of the rock. And
it's my favorite thing at the whole soult well.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And so because for people that don't understand that before
Jesus there would be an animal sacrifice to cover sin,
that's right. But when Jesus died on the cross, he
would wash our sin away. He would become the supreme
sacrifice and pay for our sins, right, that's right. So
that's the first thing Noah did when he came off
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was offer that sacrifice, right, And they offered.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
A sacrifice for two reasons. Number One, they had just
been through a really rough experience and they wanted to
say thank you. Secondly, when they saw the world they
had stepped into, they needed help. I mean it was
just a world of mud. Yeah, and I believe Noah
probably said, hey, guys, we need to ask for help.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And the atmosphere changed because men had lived to be
nine hundred and all after the flood, it halfed, right,
it did?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
And why is that?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Well, the atmosphere of the Earth changed. I mean before
the flood there had never been rain, like Rachel said,
and suddenly there's rain falling on the earth. The canopy
that it was over the earth disappeared, which meant the
radiation factor was going to be different, and the longevity
of man began to get shorter and shorter and shorter
and shorter.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
It'd been almost like a hyperbaric chamber before that had
That's exactly what we increased oxygen. But then the doctor
Ball talks about that, but you're talking about the ice
that covered the earth that when those hot springs shot ups,
that's where the rain came from, right, right, So a
lot of people don't understand that, but the Bible talks
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about that in Genesis, about that.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
That's correct, hot springs.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Right, that's right. I mean, it was an event unlike
anything we can imagine.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
In forty days and forty nine forty nine.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
And when Peter writes about it, he uses a Greek
word which was usually used to describe letting loose wild
dogs to tear victims from limb to limb. He uses
it to say that when the flood was released, it
literally tore the entire ancient world to pieces. It was
so destructive.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So the force was so great.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
It was so great. Well, and that's why today you
can't find much from that early civilization.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
And I was going to.
Speaker 8 (13:16):
Say, though, back then those civilizations were pretty grand. We
don't even realize how big and powerful these people were.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Even for Noah to build the Ark, they had to
have technology. I mean, a primitive caveman could not build
the arc. When you see the size of it, you say,
oh my goodness.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
So how do you think he did it?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
I think that God gave him the wisdom to do it.
And Noah had to be a very rich man. I mean,
it took a lot of resources to build the ark.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, so let's go back to that scripture that talks
about as it was in the days of Noah's sociality
at the coming of the Sun and man. And we
know that. I mean, there was eating, drinking, marry and
giving a marriage. I mean, all that's gone on for
all time. But the one thing that kind of distinguishes
the days of Noah is where the sons of God
had gotten with the daughters of men. So I want
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to ask for people who are watching, who were the
sons of God and why were they fallen?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
The sons of God were angels. That's a term in
the Old Testament to describe angels. And just like we
believe in guardian angels, these were guardian angels. And God
is so good that when Adam and Eve left the garden,
he assigned angels to watch over man and to help man.
But there is no such thing as a female angel,
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and so the angels had never seen a woman. And
when these angels saw women, the Bible says, they became
enamored with them and lusted after them. And there was
a group of angels, two hundred of them, who swore
an oath together. We read about it in the Book
of Enoch, and they said, we're going to do a
dastardly deed. We're going to descend into the earth, take
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these women, have sex with them, and produce our own children.
So that's what took place.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
And so at that point when they turned against what
God had created them to do, because God gives free will, right, right,
then they were no longer a part of the heavenly
host if you will.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
No, And in fact, Peter and Jude says that God
grabbed those particular angels by the back of the neck
and put them in underground caverns and they are held
there to this very moment.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
So do you think they're still here on the earth.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
They're in some dungeon somewhere.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
So does that mean that you think that before Jesus
comes back they could potentially be released, because then it
would be like, how it is not that group.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Because Peter and Jude both say they are held there
for all of eternity.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Well, okay, so but for a season they were still
on the earth, right they were. Do you have any
idea how long they were because again, they could have
imparted that technology and information to their offspring.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
They could have, and that's possibly why we have the Pyramids,
we have Gobelattechie, we have all these places around the
world that no one can explain. It was with angels are.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The wonders of the world that we can't like Stonehedge.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
You know, Jony, I like to watch ancient aliens. I
just get such a kick out of and they get
it all confused. They have it right that somebody came
to a billion years ago. It was angels, and when
they came down, they begin to teach all kinds of
things they were not supposed to teach, including all kinds
of weird sexual things, and that's when mankind really begin
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to go a bad room.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Okay, So when the flood came, these the offspring of
the sons of God with the daughters of men, would
have died, but we know what they would be, disembodied
spirit spirits at that point.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
So is that where we get demons from?
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Well, that's the million dollar question.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, I'm going to make you answer it.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
The old document called the Book of the Giants, which
may parts of it be pre flood. It was found
among the Dead Sea scrolls and it says, now I'm
not going to say this is the truth, but it
says that demons are the disembodied spirits of the giants.
And there were thousands and thousands and thousands of giants,
and so.
Speaker 10 (17:06):
The babies were giants from the angels, and the women
they birthed giants, they birthed giants.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
And then when the giants died in the flood, then
the Book of the Giants says that those disembodied spirits
became demons.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
But a lot of theologians say that there was a
third of heaven that rebelled against.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
God and went with Lucifer.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
That's correct, and.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
They say those are the demon spirits.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
No, they are not.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
They are not.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
Oh, why do you think they're not?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Those are not demons.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
And to possess people, pardon angels, don't try to possess.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
No, angels, don't try to What happened to those people
try to possess people because they've lost their bodies. And
that's why scholars tend to believe it's the disembodied spirits.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Of the giants.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
So what is the role of those fallen angels right
now on the earth?
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Those particular fallen angels before the flood, they have no role.
They're in prison. They in prison, and it's the ultimate punishment.
The Bible says they're in chains. We'll think about it.
Angels are creatures of speed, that God put them in chains.
Then he put them in darkness. Angels are creatures of light,
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and He's held there there for all of eternity.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Now, you know, we're talking now about a realm that
naturalized cannot see.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
But let's talk about that spiritual realm.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I mean, people believe in guardian angels, they believe in God,
they believe in heaven. But a lot of times you'll
find people they don't believe in demon spirits or Lucifer
or Hell. Explain why both those things are very real?
And what kind of battle is going on right now?
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Do you mean to answer that or Joseph, he just
wrote a great book.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Joseph, that's a good question over So, okay, So we're
talking about demon spirits or Hell or why people don't
believe in it. Well, the bottom line is Hell wasn't
made for man, but we recognize hell. I'll say it
this way, when people get on the whole thing. If
there is no hell, I think hell was an absolute
response to the violation of God's holiness. God is so extreme,
he's so holy, he's so amazing that when there was
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a violation against him, there was no punishment to pay
for that. That's why Hell will never stop burning. It
was ignited and it had to keep burning because even
Hell and all its fury, all its rage, could not
answer the crime that was committed against God.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
And he wasn't willing for any to perish possible heart.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I think God got together with the Trinity and said, hey,
they messed up. They can't fix it, so we have to.
So he said, I'm going to send my son to
die on behalf of these people. So God paid the
price of the crime against him, He paid it himself
by sending Jesus. So therefore Hell will never stop burning
because that is not resolved. But because of that, if
you receive Jesus, you don't have to go there. You're
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instantly acquitted, you're free. You don't go to that place.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
So the third of angels that fail, that's what I'm
talking about.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Where are they at right now?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I have no idea, but.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I mean are they on the earth? I mean are
they within the mosphere helping lucifers?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
There are gloomy dungeons. That's what we know. Well, the
gloomy dungeons are the angels that said before the flood,
I think the angels that fell are part of principalities
and powers. Right, right, that's what I read all the seasons,
chapter six.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Right, because so now does Satan have an army? Absolutely,
So talk a little bit about that, because people don't
understand how well organized he is.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
But he knows the end of the book also well,
when you read Afhees in six twelve, it says principalities, powers,
rulers of the darkness of this world, spiritual wickedness, and
high places. All of that is militaristic language. And Paul
saw into the spirit realm and saw how kingdom, the
kingdom of darkness was arranged. And you know, one time
I said to the Lord, why does it seem the
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devils has so many victories?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Have you ever wanted that or any victories?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
And the Lord said to me, because the devil has
something the church doesn't have. I said, what is that?
He said, commitment, organization, and discipline. He said, the church
has more power, has promises, has the blood, but the
church is not as committed, organized, and disciplined as the
kingdom of dark life.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Times they're arguing with each other.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
They're arguing with each other while the devil is ravaging
the world. That's right, Oh, we need a move of God.
We do.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
We do need a revival of the Bible. The truth
of the matter is this. When we were there, Rick,
there's one thing I do want to mention, when we
were at Noah's Ark, just kind of coming full circle
on that. When we stood there at Noah's Ark, you
said something really powerful. You said, you know what, just
like God saved these eight people and raised them above
that storm, the Lord spoke to me in that moment
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that we would see that with the United States. We'd
see it with nations and God's people that wanted to
follow him during this time. I got a word then
that we go through four years of redemptive instability. And
I believe that is why this has been discovered Israel,
the Arc, all this stuff at the same time in
nineteen forty eight. But right now, the fact that you're
bringing this back to the forefront, that you're talking about it, Jony,
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I believe is a word to the body of Christ
that God wants to deliver us from what's coming next.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
You know, the Lord gave me a word for twenty
twenty five, which I sent to you, said, batten down
the hatches. This is war, and as we sail into
this year, this redemptive instability, we have to kind of
batten down the hatch. We sure do, because there's going
to be some rough water along the way. And even
if you look at what's happening in the news this week,
all the tariff wars from one country to another, I mean,
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it's we're headed into that season.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
You know, there was a prophetic word that came to
me last week. I'll share with you all more details,
but it basically was that, you know, we talk about
pleading the blood of Jesus, and he said that the
Lord took him back to that time when he was
delivering the Israelites out of Egypt and that last plague
that came through. He said, to paint the blood over
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the doorpost. But he said that's not all he said.
He said to shut the door and stay in the house.
And you know there would have been wailing and gnashing
of teeth and horror right that night when so many
were killed, the firstborn. But the Lord said don't come out,
and so he said, that's a word.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yes, the blood of Jesus is over us. But shut
the door. Whatever doors that we've opened need to be.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Closed and need to stay in the house and trust
God to do what he's going to do.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
And the light came out of Goshen from inside their houses.
So that's the word supernatural light.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, so talk a little bit.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
We only have a few minutes left about why you
believe there's going to be a rapture.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Oh, I have no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
You have no doubt.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I'm writing a book on it right now.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I know.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
I thought it was going to be two hundred pages.
At six hundred Why does.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Everybody argue that about this particular subject.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
I don't know. But Peter said, in the end of
the age there will be mockers who will make fun
of people who believe in the rapture, And today there
really are mockers. You know, I don't understand. I can
respect their opinions, I would like for them to respect ours.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
What is the greatest evidence for the rapture that you
found in your studies?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Oh, the Bible. Well, first of all, the Bible's full
of raptures, Enik was raptured, Elijah was raptured, Jesus was
raptured us. The Bible is filled with raptures. And when
people say that they don't believe in a rapture, they
don't know the Bible. And there are other Christians who
now say, well, you know what, We're going to stay here,
We're going to take over the kingdoms of the earth,
We're going to run the government. I have more faith
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for a rapture than I do for that I don't
seem to be able to run anything. I'd rather believe
for a rapture.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
So a rapture is when the Bible talks about that
we'll meet him in the air. The second coming is
when we come with him.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
That's right. And the word rapture is the Greek word harpozzo.
This is really important because it describes a rescue operation
to snatch just in the nick of time.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
This is so good.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Do get his book Fallen Angels, Giants, Monster in the
World before the Flood, and you can call that number
on the screen and we can actually get this book
to you and tell you more about it. It helps
kind of understand those things that maybe you don't understand
when you read the Bible.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Rick is so great at that.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
But we would be remiss if we didn't give the
people watching right now an opportunity to receive Jesus, because
we want everyone to go with us to heaven.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
And that's why we.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Do what we do every day, is because your soul
is important to us, but more so even important to God.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
So Rick, well, God is in the business of giving
people a second chance. He gave me a second chance,
and he's given you a second chance. And if you've
never made Jesus the lord of your life, you don't
have to live in your sin, and you don't have
to live with your failure or just your disappointments. Jesus
wants to give you a new chance. And if you'll
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call him the Lord of your life, and that means
surrender to him the control of your life, to say, Jesus,
be the Lord of my life. Just that fast, his
spirit will come inside you. You'll become a new creature
and everything will become new, and you'll start all over again,
and it's going to be great. So, Father, in Jesus' name,
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I pray for my friend. Now, Friend, I just want
you to say, Jesus I'm giving my.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Life to you, Jesus, I'm giving life.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Be the Lord of my life, the Lord of mine life.
Come in to me, Come in to me. Give me
a new chance, Give me a new chance. Amen. Amen,
that's you.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Amen. I love that. I love it.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
It's so simple. The gospel is so simple. People make
it difficult, but it's not. The Lord loves you so much.
No accident that you're watching right now. Some of you
have never watched before and you just stopped.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
And this is why.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Because God loves you so much, and your heart has
been looking for truth. And there's just something that resonates
right now as you're listening, and that's the Holy Spirit saying,
come on home.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I've been waiting for you. So I'm so excited about
what God has for you in the days ahead. So
be encouraged.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
We are out of time, but I want you to
remember that the story Noah's Ark isn't just a tale
from the past. It is a prophetic call to action
for today. In a world full of challenges, God calls
us to stand firm, stay watchful, and to trust his
unshakable promises. Just as He was faithful to Noah, he
will be faithful to you. So if you're watching today
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and you need prayer or you pray that prayer, call
that number on the screen. We'd love to pray with you,
encourage you. Also, send you the Book of John.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
For you to start. That's a great place to start.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
In the Bible, and you'll find that the Word of
God will make such a huge difference in your life.
So get a Bible that you can understand and read
and maybe in a modern day vernacular, and start reading
the Word. Find a church, and God's going to do
some great things in your life. I really do believe
that well. I want to thank Rick Renner and Joseph
Z for joining us. For more information and resources from Rick,
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thank you so much for watching, and thank you for
opening your heart and.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Receiving what the Lord has for you today.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Thank you guys, such a pleasure to have all the
way from Russia and all the way from Colorado.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
And ladies, thank you so much. We'll see you next time.
Speaker 11 (28:26):
Bye bye for to day.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well, you know, forgiving is Jesus commands us to can
sometimes feel impossible, actually when your soul has been shattered
by abuse and hurt and pain disappointment. But today's guest,
it's going to share a moving testimony of how God's
love rebuilt her life, proving that forgiveness isn't just a
gift we give, it's a.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Path to our own healing.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
But before we get to that, joining around the table
is Cindy Johnston. And that's something I mean, you're going
to relate to our guest testimony because on the other side,
it's kind of you had to forgive your mom.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
What's forgiveness a big part of it?
Speaker 9 (29:30):
Oh for sure.
Speaker 12 (29:31):
I mean, you can't go on unless you forgive and baggage,
and I think it keeps accumulating because when you don't
forgive one person, you probably are gonna have problems for
giving the next person and the next person.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
And so true, so beautiful story, Dorothy Newton.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
We have to forgive seventy times seven a day all
the time.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
But you know what, the cleansing, the purity, the freedom
is so important, and it's it's just necessary for your journey,
for you personally to be able to walk in God's calling.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, Rachel Lamb Brown, Welcome to the table.
Speaker 13 (30:09):
And good.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Bitterness is not worth losing the peace that you have
when you forgive.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
I think when you can understand that forgiveness is for
you and not for anyone else, it really helps you
digest it better. But I mean, man, it's like if
you allow that in it just it just takes over every.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Aspect of your wife.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I've done it, we all have.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
It's a lot easier said than die, but it is
so worth it.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, it Kindred. We've let it marinate. I mean I
know I have, yeah, And I know.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
You're sorry, you know, and rehearsed it.
Speaker 14 (30:46):
And here's the thing though, all that rehearsing and all
that bitterness and all of that, all it does is
take away your energy. It makes you sick physically, mentally, emotionally.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
It's not good.
Speaker 14 (30:57):
It's not and it's not how God intended to live.
He wanted you to live happy and free, like Dorothy said,
and just ready to say, Okay, God, what do you
want for me next? And you can't do that and
be ready to move in his will if you're too
busy dragging around the boulders of unforgiveness behind you.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
That's what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
And forgiveness sets us free, Cindy Murdoch more than the
other person that offended us.
Speaker 10 (31:21):
It does because my experience of unforgiveness, I became somebody I.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Didn't like, but thank God, he said me.
Speaker 10 (31:29):
Because people don't realize their actions what it does to us.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Sometimes they just go on with life. They don't even
realize they've affected us.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So your situation, the person didn't even know what they
were doing, over and over breaking your heart goodness in it. Yeah,
but you got through and God restored me.
Speaker 12 (31:48):
Yes.
Speaker 10 (31:49):
Forgiveness is absolutely gold.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
It is.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
And we just want to welcome Sam McNeil to the Table.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Of the day.
Speaker 13 (31:58):
You're wonderful to be here with all of you nice, wonderful,
precious sisters in the Lord.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
We're going to have fun at the table for sure,
because you know all the people here well, you know,
for Sam McNeil, childhood abuse left deep scars, but unforgiveness
cut even deeper. She's here to share how God healed
her heart and mind through the power of forgiveness, and
how He can do the same for you. Some of
you are sitting there like, Okay, what are they going.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
To talk about?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
This is a pretty horrific testimony, but it's amazing what
God did in Sam's life.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Sam was my assistant for many years.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
She retired to go into full time ministry, preaching in
the prisons, and so that's a little bit of the
end of the story. But I know her story so well,
and I know so many of you right now watching
you may be struggling or someone you know maybe struggling
with depression or mental and emotional issues, anxiety, fear, and
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so her testimony is going to be so encouraging to you.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
So let's just start with a little bit of your childhood,
because I know you had some very traumatic things that happened.
Speaker 13 (33:09):
Yes, my father was a womanizer, He was an alcoholic,
and he abused her their entire marriage.
Speaker 9 (33:20):
Your mother, yes, huh.
Speaker 13 (33:21):
And my mother would have me sleep with her as
a child and hope that dead wouldn't come home and
pull her out of bed. And beat her, and sometimes
at worked, sometimes it didn't because and then as her daughter,
I would get up and get in the middle and
try to push him off, and then I got pushed
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aside he he was He would wrap coat hangers around
her neck, trying to choke her.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I remember one day you said, you came home, and
we can't tell every story because I want to get
to your main story.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
But she was at the top of the steps she
came home from school.
Speaker 13 (34:02):
Yeah, I was fifteen years old, and she was fully
clothed and ringing, wet from head to toe. It's like
somebody had put a hose on her. I ran up
the stairs. I hugged her and I said, Mom, what happened?
And she said that dad had put her that she
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was in the bathtub and he tried to drown her,
and then he hauled her down until she felt like
she was going to die, and then he released her
and he stood back and laughed. Well, that was one
of the instants.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
So you saw a dad who was abusive, who was
an alcoholic, who was a womanizer, who beat your mom,
But he surprisingly never beat you. I mean, he did
some verbal abuse, but as far as touching you physically.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
He didn't know.
Speaker 13 (34:54):
He didn't. He never physically abused me. He was very
emotionally abusive to.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
But you saw a woman that was in pure torment
for years. Absolutely, Mom, So tell us about that fateful
day when you were asleep.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
What happened.
Speaker 13 (35:11):
I was in a deep sleep and I heard breaking glass,
which woke me up, and I ran into the other
bedroom next door, and I found my brother was in there,
and he was screaming no, no, no, and Mom was
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on the bed, and her body had had a bluish
color to it. And so in my mind, because Dad
had always beat her so much, I thought he had
beaten her to death. And so I ran all over
the house looking for him because I was going to
kill him. And when I didn't find him, then I
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ran ran back upstairs and I straddled my mother's body.
Her mouth was a little bit open, and so I began.
I didn't know anything about CPR, of course, and I
didn't have the forethought to pinch her nose as I
breathed my breath into her body. And I will never
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forget the coldness of that air, which was my air
coming back through her nose on the right side of
my cheek.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Wow, how devastating was it for you at fifteen to
find your mom like that?
Speaker 9 (36:37):
It was horrible. It was horrible.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I think you told me one time it may have
been the worst day of your life.
Speaker 9 (36:43):
It was, it still has been.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
People think about even some of you watching right now,
you've thought, Gosh, I just don't even want to keep
living it. Just I'd be better, My family would be better,
life would be better if I just ended it.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Don't do it. Don't do it.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Think about what Sam's talking about. And those voices that
tell you to do that are the voices of the enemy.
The Bible says that satans come to kill, still and destroy,
But Jesus said, I've come that you might have life
and have it more abundantly, and Jesus wants to breathe
life into that situation you're in right now.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
So we're just going to pray right now in.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Jesus name for those thoughts to dissipate, and you are
not going to take your life in Jesus' name.
Speaker 7 (37:26):
Is that what happened? Your mom took her own life.
Speaker 13 (37:30):
Yes, that was the breaking of the glass. That it
was a bottle of sleeping pills that she had taken.
Speaker 9 (37:38):
And then later.
Speaker 13 (37:40):
My brother and I we had found other bottles that
she had also, so.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
She had taken like a huge amount of sleeping hill
she did before. So how was your life after that, Sam,
because there was no really, if you will, relationship with
God or understanding really of the Lord at that point
in your life there.
Speaker 13 (38:00):
Yeah, there wasn't anything. I actually remember standing out running
out of the house one day dead and I had
got into it. It was the same house, and I
stood on the lawn and I raised my fist to
God and I said, I hate my father and I
hate you God. And why this came out of my mouth,
I'll never know, but I said, and I'll never serve you.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Wow.
Speaker 13 (38:25):
And then I had to live with my dad for
four to five years after that.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
So did you kind of become rebellious and you're oh, yeah, yeah,
I know.
Speaker 7 (38:34):
What was your dad's reaction to your mom?
Speaker 9 (38:37):
He didn't.
Speaker 13 (38:39):
I don't remember him crying. I don't know that he
was in shock. He actually couldn't find him for a
couple of days because we had to send the police
out find him somewhere because he was out. And we
found out later who was out with another woman, and
when he came in he I don't even know that
he was shocked about that.
Speaker 9 (39:00):
I never saw him cry.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Now, later on he's going to have to deal with
shame and conviction and condemnation. We'll get to that, but
I mean, for the most part, he lived a miserable life.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
He did.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
And so you continue on in rebellion. At some point
you get saved. We want to get you saved them.
Speaker 9 (39:20):
Yes, lead me to the Lord R right now. And Yes.
Speaker 13 (39:25):
In nineteen seventy four, my brothers had been encouraging me
to come to church, and finally I went in nineteen
seventy four and at a little nascering church in Kenmorro, Ohio.
My sister in law, Doretta, my brother Larry. Duretta's dad
actually was the very, very godly man. I always looked
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up to him. And he was at the altar that
gave the altar call. And I went down there and
I remember he prayed for me and gave my life
to the Lord. And he looked at me and he said,
never turned back. And I said, I want.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
So, what made it different at that point that your
heart was open to receive the Lord?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
After all you've been through.
Speaker 9 (40:10):
I think that.
Speaker 13 (40:13):
It was just how much that Jesus offered me compared
to what I had had before, and and also the
the journey that he began taking me on.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
You ended up getting married, yes, and having a daughter yes,
named Naudua Naua. I hope you're watching this, and but
you're you're a Christian at this point, and uh, but then.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
You have to go through a divorce.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yes, there's infidelity, yes, and spirriage of heart broken again?
Speaker 9 (40:55):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
How hard was that?
Speaker 13 (40:58):
That was really hard? It was very difficult divorce to
go through. And I had been out at the workforce,
you know, being married and having naedge when everything.
Speaker 9 (41:11):
So I had to find a job. So went and
did that and it was just.
Speaker 13 (41:18):
Devastating mentally, I think, picking up all the pieces and.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
And at some point you you were not you were
not only saved, but you begin to be hungry for more.
Speaker 9 (41:32):
Yes, of the Lord.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
And so tell us about what happened with that.
Speaker 9 (41:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (41:36):
I was working for rex Hombard Ministries. I worked at
Ford in midnight shift and so I was driving home
one night, had to pick up Nause from the babysitter
and as was driving, I could feel the presence of
God on me, and I just started speaking in this
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this different type of language. And I had been seeking
the baptism the Holy Spirit, and so you know, I
get Nagel home and I get her in bed, and
I'm like, I want to finish this. And so the
devil owys try and distract us, you know, when God
wants to bless us with something. And so I grabbed
a picture of Jesus off the wall and I put
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it in front of me and I was kneeling it
to bed, and then I lived in my arms and
I told God, I said, I want everything you have
for me, and I want tost baptisms in the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 9 (42:31):
And I mean it was like just you just dropped
right and that was.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Like something that was supernatural for you that really, i know,
encouraged you. You felt like a calling to ministry. At
the same time, yes, you still probably are dealing with
the pain and the trauma of your childhood. That's that's
that's just deep inside you that really the light of
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God's healing power hasn't shown on it, and you haven't
dealt probably with a lot of that, even unforgiveness towards
your Father, which is understandable. So I mean, because there
are people watching right now that you love God, but
you have things down there that need to come out
and the light of God needs to shine on it,
and God saying.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
You're going to have to forgive if you're going to
move on and be healed, even from some of the
stuff you're suffering right now. You were diagnosed with what
not long after that.
Speaker 9 (43:26):
With manic depressive illness.
Speaker 13 (43:29):
I had a which they call bipolar bipolar today, and
I had constant suicidal thoughts and severe depression. I had
a mental breakdown in nineteen seventy nine. I was in
psychiatric wards on three different occasions, and I was always
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when they have to go to counselors, you know.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
And now during that time, the Lord brought a wonderful
man into your life.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
I did that.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
You met actually at Rex.
Speaker 8 (44:01):
I did.
Speaker 9 (44:01):
He worked in an engineering he's a TV engineer.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
And we've y'all been married now for forty.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Okay, so but.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Anyway, so let's go back. So he's walking with you
through this. I mean, Steve is he knows you're dealing
with this. I know you told me you would have
like high highs and you'd go shopping and buy everything
at store.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Right, and the cry and then go really low and I.
Speaker 13 (44:26):
Really have to get a third job now and and
so yes, Steve was was very supportive of me during
that time.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
And did you ask, like when you go to church
to be prayed for always?
Speaker 9 (44:40):
Always?
Speaker 1 (44:41):
And I know you told me you probably a hundred
times went down I could.
Speaker 9 (44:44):
I couldn't put a number on it.
Speaker 13 (44:47):
Over the years, you know that I would go down
and ask for prayer. I mean I was in every
healing line that could you could imagine you're on.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
You're on medication.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yes, we always tell everybody when we talk about this
kind of testimony, don't go off your medication. At SAS
is a supernatural story. God will speak to you and
show you about that.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
But I do.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Believe that some of the things we're going to talk
about today are going to bring healing in that area.
Some of you that have suffered with depression, it's not
even so much about the depression, it's about something down
there that you haven't dealt with. And when that comes
up and God heals it and you forgive, you're going
to see some of these things you've been dealing with
in your body, heel. I mean, it's just it's going
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to happen. Yes, So take us to that service, the
main service. How did you get to this particular church
service where they actually were praying for people and you
knew there were some there was just there was a special.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Annointing at this church. During this time this.
Speaker 13 (45:47):
Season, Steve was working for James Robinson Ministries and James
was going to have a crusade or a conference in Orlando, Florida.
And so I had a friend that worked at James's
and she called me and she said, we need somebody
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to work the book table, and did she want to
know if I wanted to volunteer for that because Steve
had to go down anyway. And so at first I
told her no because I was so depressed and suicidal.
Speaker 9 (46:22):
I thought I just can't do this.
Speaker 13 (46:25):
And then I called her back and I thought, now
I feel like I need to go.
Speaker 9 (46:29):
So went down there.
Speaker 13 (46:31):
We had friends on staff at a church locally there,
and Steve and I went to the morning service. It
was incredible, and then Steve had to work that night,
so I went back to the evening service.
Speaker 9 (46:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (46:49):
I was so tired and I just didn't want to go,
but then I felt like I should, and so I
went to the service. There were hundreds of people in
line outside of the building, went in, got a seat.
My friend there got me his seat, and the presence
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and power of God was.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
The way I.
Speaker 9 (47:16):
Describe it is that it was thick. It was like
oil you.
Speaker 13 (47:19):
Could rub between your fingers. And in the Pastor had
actually dismissed the people to go several times, but nobody
wanted to go, of course, and so in the middle
of the service, then he stopped all of a sudden,
and he said, I have a vision of the Lord
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and he's here. He's in a white robe, and he
has instructed me to put an empty chair in representation
of him being here on the platform. And he's told
me to tell you to ask anything that you need
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and he will do it.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
And he left the stage.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Yeah, he said, Lord, there's nobody on the stage. It's
just an empty chair. And he's saying, I'm getting off
the stage because Jesus is here and he wants to
heal you. Yes, And so what happened? What did you
see happened? When he left the stage.
Speaker 13 (48:18):
I saw hundreds of people go forward, But I also
within the that group. I saw little children going up
and they would go and they would raise their little
arms before that empty chair and they would It was
like a gentle wind would come and just blow them over.
They were getting slain in the people in the spirit.
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People were getting healed, they were getting baptized in the spirit,
people were getting saved. And so I sat there and
I was witnessing all of this, and all of a sudden,
the Lord reminded me that just like I saw those
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little children going forward, that I needed to have a
childlike face. And this is what I heard him, clearly,
as clear as I'm speaking right now, and he said,
do not be afraid. I will in no way cast
you aside. Ask what you would of me now and
I will do it. I bid you come now.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
And every time she told me that story, folks, exactly
she knows exactly what the Lord said, because Sam nor
I would talk that way.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
I bid you come.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
I will in no way cast you aside, I mean.
And so what did you do when you heard that?
Speaker 13 (49:39):
Because the presence of God was so heavy there, I
got out of my chair and I started walking to
the altar, and the closer I got to the altar.
The more presence of God came upon me and I
went up there on the platform. I raised my hand
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in front of that.
Speaker 9 (50:03):
Empty chair. I raised my arms as high.
Speaker 13 (50:06):
As I could get them, like I wanted to touch God.
So he touched me, and I said, God, I asked
you to heal me or deliver me from this severe depression.
And I ask you God, to deliver me from this
spirit of suicide. And I said God, I beg you
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to deliver me from this manic to illness. And what
I felt was warm oil coming over my body. I
felt that sensation, and I felt a hand come through
my physical brain as though it was cleaning out all
of the garbage, everything you know, out of my brain.
Speaker 9 (50:51):
And then I was slain in the spirit.
Speaker 13 (50:56):
And I remember when I got up that for the
first time in the twenty years that I could think clearly. Wow,
it was like my brain had been put through a
washing machine.
Speaker 9 (51:12):
That it really was like.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
That, and you could think clearly.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
And I just want to say, for those of you
that are watching you, since the presence of God right there,
we are just received from the Lord right now, and
just say thank you Jesus for healing me right now
thank you for your presence. It's in this room right now.
Just receive that right now. We're almost out of time.
But you have to share about years later, and of
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course you were on lithium, and I mean she's had
no medication since.
Speaker 13 (51:42):
That, No, for over thirty years, and no issues with
no issues with.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Any of that.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Like God completely healing that, folks, that's a miracle. Yes, okay,
So years later, your dad is still alive in his
late seventies, and you you're going to go visit him.
Speaker 13 (51:59):
Yes, was working for you at the time, and I
was driving, and you gave me a phone call and
you said that you had had a vision of the
Lord and that on this trip that if I would
give him the simple plan of salvation, that he was
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going to receive Jesus. And so went on to Alabama
and went to his little mobile home and I went
in and I knelt by his recliner and I said, dead.
I said, you don't have to feel guilty anymore, because
I knew that he had always felt guilty about Mom's suicide,
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but we had never spoken about it. And I said,
Jesus loves you and he will forgive you, just like
he's forgiven me. I said, would you like to accept
Jesus as your personal say you're right now, and he said, yes, honey,
I'd love to do that. And so I led him
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in a prayer of salvation and he passed just a
few years later, and so I know he's in heaven.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
I mean some of you watch him say, well, I
don't think he deserved to be forgiven. The truth is
none of us deserves that's right. So, especially for you
that you feel like you have committed the unpardonable sin,
I want you to know that you can be forgiven
if you repent. The Bible says, if we confess our sins,
he's faithful and just to forgive us of all our
sins and declines us from all unrighteousness. And he wants
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to do that for you right now. All you have
to say is Jesus, come in forgive me. Can you
really forgive me?
Speaker 2 (53:44):
Yes? He can.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
And then say, fill me with your spirit. I want
everything that you have for me. Just say it, right,
just say it, fill me with your spirit. I want
everything that you have for me right now. And I'm
telling you it's a.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
New day for you.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Old Bible says, old things pass away, Behold all things
are new.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
There's joy in the morning, and.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
So that joy is coming your way when you pray
that prayer. Well, I hat didn't get to talk to
all of y'all, but I mean, maybe just one word
from each of you.
Speaker 12 (54:13):
Cindy, God is miraculous.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
That's three words, but that's good story. God is love words.
Speaker 7 (54:22):
I'd say, there's hope.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
Yeah, awesome, what an awesome.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Awesome And you felt the presence already. I was like
trying to Okay, Cindy, Wow, amazing, yeah, amazing, amazing. Thank
you so much, Sam my pleasure for sharing your story.
And we are out of time, but I want you
to remember whatever the past may hold, just remember this
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unforgiveness doesn't have to be part of your future. Sam
could have held onto that, and I really believe she
probably wouldn't be here if she had chosen never to forgive.
And as horrible as what it was what happened, God
in his mercy still reach down and touch that father
and touch his heart. And we don't know what his
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story is. See that's the thing. People that do these
kind of things, we never know what happened to them,
you know, or how they were treated or what they
went through. So you know, we can't be God, we
can't judge the heart of people, but we know that
Jesus came to save all for all of us.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
He died for all of us.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
So I want you to understand that as you prayed
that prayer, those of you that did, He's going to
give you a peace and a.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Joy that you have been longing for.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
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See you next time. By bye for today
Well, you know the story of Noah's Ark is far
more than just an ancient story. It's a powerful prophetic
symbol for the days we're living in. Well, today's guests
are here to share about their recent trip to Turkey,
where they explored what many believe to be the resting
place of Noah's Arc, and how, yes, a real thing, folks,
Tha's Arc was the real deal, and how these discoveries
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are directly connected to end times. But before we get
to that, joined me around the table, and who is
one of our guests that just got back from Turkey?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Joseph Z.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Hello, ma'am.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Was that a life changing trip for you?
Speaker 4 (00:56):
It was?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I'll tell you have not been on a trip until
you've been with Rick Runner Turkey.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Okay, I want to go. I want to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Dorothy Naton, how are you doing so good? You remember
learning about Noah's.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Yes, when God speaks, you better listen.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Ob obey otherwise are you're going to be left?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
That's right? Who when he shuts the door? That's Rachel
Lamb Brown. How are you hey?
Speaker 6 (01:20):
I named my son Noah, and I love this story
of Noah. He built an arc and a generation that
had never seen rain. I mean, can you imagine having
to have that kind of faith to believe.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
That him and his sons did it. I don't even
know how they did.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
It was only righteous man and a generation.
Speaker 7 (01:35):
And so we write that great.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Great story. Rebecca Lamb Wise, how are you well.
Speaker 8 (01:39):
I'm excited to be here. I'm excited for this topic.
And you know, Jesus said, as in the days of Noah,
So we're talking about Noah now more than ever in.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
The body of Christ. So it's significant, it really is.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Cindy Murdock, I remember being in high school sitting around
the table of friends and one of my friends speaking
up and saying, Oh, that's just a fairy tale. It
didn't really happen, And I said, yes, it did happen. Yes, absolutely,
there wasn't Noah, there wasn't arc There were animals on it.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
And we're going to talk about that goodness and a
man that persevered. Think how long it took him, We're
going to find him how many years? A lot? Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Rick Renter, our resident theologian, is in the building.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I'm so glad to be with you.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
It's so good to have you, and people love your
teaching and this was like one of my favorite books,
y'all fallen Angels, giants, monsters in the world before the flood?
What inspired you to write this book? And then I
couldn't believe how fast you wrote it.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I wrote that book in fifteen days. But Johnny, I
saw a video of these Ruins of Noah's Ark and
I thought it was a joke. I just did not
take it serious. But I just couldn't get it out
of my head. Well, I live in Russia, so that's
just two and a half hours from Turkey.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
So I went with my whole film crew and we
went to the mountains of Ararat to check it out.
And when I got there, I was quite stunned because
it really is the Ruins of Noah's Ark, and it
took me about one hundred years to build it. He
was five hundred when he began to build it. For years, yeah,
six hundred when he entered the arc. Wow, And honestly,
and Joseph can tell you, when you stand, especially at
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the bottom of that arc and look up and see
the size.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Of it, it's huge.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
I mean, you are just breathless. Noah had to be
a very rich man to build that arc.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
So I know we have some I believe some drone
footage to actually show over top is how you can
really see the shape.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah, the drone footage is the best of what happened.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So explain what we're seeing in that.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Well, you see from the from the from the bottom
to the top of the ship, it's exactly three hundred
cubits and when you.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Walk along that's what the Bible says.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
That's what the Bible says.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
So it was.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Exact measurements at the Bible gates exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
And because they've done all the underground scans, it has
three decks exactly like the Bible says. And now when
you walk up from the from the bottom side up
up the side of the ship. Now because it's beginning
to deteriorate, you can see the timber, the ribs of
the ship that are sticking.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
At you know, when Heather came around the corner we're
standing with, she started crying. Yeah, she started crying because
you when you stand there, it's a ship, you know
it is, and it was impacting.
Speaker 7 (04:12):
Are they still excavating.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
It, Well, it's difficult to excavate because of where it is.
That's a very political situation.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Talk about where it landed because so many people they say, well,
it was supposed to be here, and some say no,
it was supposed to be here. But scripturally, talk about
where it is.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Just the line it was Scripture.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Genesis eight four said it landed in the mountains of Ararat.
It never said it landed on Mount Ararat. And in fact,
when the Bible was written, Ararat did not exist. That
was Urratu, and it was the region of Uratu, and
Mount Ararat didn't even exist. It's a stratovolcano. And if
the ark had landed on Mount Ararat that we know today,
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it would have been blown to bits or covered with lava.
But it landed in the region of Ararat, and that's
where it is, just below the Silk Road. Now, if
you read all the ancient writers who traveled the Silk Road,
they all said, if you'll just take a left and
go down the hill from the Silk Road, you will
come to the ruins of Noah's Ark. And the ancient
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people used to go there and take little pieces of
the ark and carve them into amulets and wear them
as jewelry. It's exactly where people always said it was.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Wow, So tell us the story of Noah's Ark for
people who don't know Joseph, Well.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
The story of Noah's Ark is a man who saw
cataclysm coming. He had a warning from God. He built
a boat and eight people went on that thing and
they survived.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And what else went on there, Well.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
That's for God reset the whole earth. That's for the
giants where I believe wiped out for that season. That's
where we saw terrible things take place. But God put
a stop to it and he reset the whole world.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
So tell us a little bit more in detail what
happened for people who are listening.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Well, God told Noah to build the Ark, and he
said he was going to destroy the earth being no
God is not a destroyer. And when you read that
in the Hebrew that word destroyed, it really describes a
clean up operation. So the earth had become infiltrated by
these giants, which were half breed creatures, and the Bible
says that through them the earth was filled with violence.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
You in your book, but I do what the half breed.
You go into detail. That's where the sons of God.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yeah, men slept with women. The women gave birth to
these giants and then the giants unthinkably slept with animals bestiality,
and the animals gave birth to monsters. And that's why
that book talks about fallen angels, giants and monsters. Monsters
were real in the ancient world, and God said, you
know what, we got to clean this deal up. And
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that's why God sent the flood. And God is so patient.
He waited until all there was left was one man
and his family. That is how he is not willing
that any would perish. He always always waits, and that's
why he's waiting. Now. People say, why hasn't Jesus come.
He's still not willing that any would perish.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Right, how does the flood relate to the intumest.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Well, Jesus said in Matthew twenty four thirty seven, as
it was in the days of Noah, it's going to
be just like that again, before the coming of the
Son of Man. So you've got to go back and
look what was happening in the world before the flood.
A lot of sinister, dark, horrible, horrible things. And most
of those things today in some way are already being
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replicated in our time. And if it's going to be
like it was in the days of Noah. It means
between now and the end, we're going to see some
really nutty stuff. I mean, the nutty stuff hadn't even
begun yet.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It's true's that nutty right now?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Why we need to prepare people.
Speaker 8 (07:38):
One of the things I wanted to say was because
you were talking about growing up, how they would say, Oh,
that didn't really happen.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
That's just the story.
Speaker 8 (07:45):
But when you study ancient texts, people from all different
cultures all around the world have an account of the flood.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
And in fact, the British Museum has one professor that
is just amazing and he has found in the archives
of the British Museum a Kuneam map from Babylon that
shows where the arc is, so that if you wanted
to go see the arc in the ancient world, all
you had to do was follow the map and it's
right there on the map in the British Museum, and
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it's exactly where the darupin our side is in the
mountains of Ararat.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
How did the animals, I mean, were they young? I mean,
how did this did despair of the Lord just get
these animals even they had been tainted to some degree
right on the earth.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Well, none of the animals on the arc had been right.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I know, none of the animals on the art.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
And now here's a question how to know which animals
had not been tainted?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Well, the Bible says that God brought the animals to
no Uh. Noah didn't have to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
That makes sense.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
It's that amazing, amazing.
Speaker 8 (08:43):
And then there's that verse. Isn't there a verse that
when they got off the arc, the Bible says that
God made the animals more tame so they wouldn't hurt
humans or something like that.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Well, I can tell you that Genesis tells us the
animals did not want to leave the arc. You know,
I live in Moscow, and when the weather is cold,
I have to make my dog go outside because it's
so cold.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Well, when they opened the doors to the Ark, those
animals had been through quite a rough ride, and the
Bible says that Noah had to make them leave the Ark.
They were a little afraid to go out into this
new world. And when Noah and his family and animals
left the Ark, it was not a pretty scene. It
was a world of mud here mud. Can you imagine, Lord,
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you gotta be telling me, I went through all of
this to inherit this muddy mess. Yeah, but you know what,
he turned it into something great. And that's what all
of us can do with any of the messes in
our life.
Speaker 8 (09:35):
Who was the person that first figured out recently that
it was in that location in Turkey, because I know
people have been looking for the arc all over.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Well, it was found by a pilot who was flying
over the area. Oh wow, And he was making aerial
photographs because they were going to make new maps. There
had been an earthquake and the earthquake shook all the
dirt off the top of the ark.
Speaker 9 (09:57):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
And it was the first time it had been seen
about fifteen hundred years.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Is such a time?
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Is this in May nineteen forty eight, the same month
that Israel became a nation a prophetic?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Is that that's really something? What was it that stood
out to you, Joseph in that whole trip.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
There was a number of things, But the number one
thing that stood up to me, Rick is when we
went to the altar of I knew you were going to.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Say, you knew it.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
There's a giant stone altar and there's carvings right on
the ground where they did blood letting, to let the
animal's blood they'd sacrifice run off. And when we stood there,
it dawned on me that this is where Noah could
have stood to watch the rainbow appear when God made
the promise, I'll never do this again.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
When I stand on that stone, I get chills.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
And what is the stone exactly?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
It's a massive, massive stone, probably about one hundred yards
from where the arc first landed. And the local Kurds
that have lived there for thousands of years, they took
us right there. They said, this is the stone where
he sacrificed the animals, and you can literally see the
place where the animals were killed. They've carved a channel
where the blood could flow off of the rock. And
it's my favorite thing at the whole soult well.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And so because for people that don't understand that before
Jesus there would be an animal sacrifice to cover sin,
that's right. But when Jesus died on the cross, he
would wash our sin away. He would become the supreme
sacrifice and pay for our sins, right, that's right. So
that's the first thing Noah did when he came off
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was offer that sacrifice, right, And they offered.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
A sacrifice for two reasons. Number One, they had just
been through a really rough experience and they wanted to
say thank you. Secondly, when they saw the world they
had stepped into, they needed help. I mean it was
just a world of mud. Yeah, and I believe Noah
probably said, hey, guys, we need to ask for help.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And the atmosphere changed because men had lived to be
nine hundred and all after the flood, it halfed, right,
it did?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
And why is that?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Well, the atmosphere of the Earth changed. I mean before
the flood there had never been rain, like Rachel said,
and suddenly there's rain falling on the earth. The canopy
that it was over the earth disappeared, which meant the
radiation factor was going to be different, and the longevity
of man began to get shorter and shorter and shorter
and shorter.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
It'd been almost like a hyperbaric chamber before that had
That's exactly what we increased oxygen. But then the doctor
Ball talks about that, but you're talking about the ice
that covered the earth that when those hot springs shot ups,
that's where the rain came from, right, right, So a
lot of people don't understand that, but the Bible talks
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about that in Genesis, about that.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
That's correct, hot springs.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Right, that's right. I mean, it was an event unlike
anything we can imagine.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
In forty days and forty nine forty nine.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
And when Peter writes about it, he uses a Greek
word which was usually used to describe letting loose wild
dogs to tear victims from limb to limb. He uses
it to say that when the flood was released, it
literally tore the entire ancient world to pieces. It was
so destructive.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So the force was so great.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
It was so great. Well, and that's why today you
can't find much from that early civilization.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
And I was going to.
Speaker 8 (13:16):
Say, though, back then those civilizations were pretty grand. We
don't even realize how big and powerful these people were.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Even for Noah to build the Ark, they had to
have technology. I mean, a primitive caveman could not build
the arc. When you see the size of it, you say,
oh my goodness.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
So how do you think he did it?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
I think that God gave him the wisdom to do it.
And Noah had to be a very rich man. I mean,
it took a lot of resources to build the ark.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, so let's go back to that scripture that talks
about as it was in the days of Noah's sociality
at the coming of the Sun and man. And we
know that. I mean, there was eating, drinking, marry and
giving a marriage. I mean, all that's gone on for
all time. But the one thing that kind of distinguishes
the days of Noah is where the sons of God
had gotten with the daughters of men. So I want
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to ask for people who are watching, who were the
sons of God and why were they fallen?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
The sons of God were angels. That's a term in
the Old Testament to describe angels. And just like we
believe in guardian angels, these were guardian angels. And God
is so good that when Adam and Eve left the garden,
he assigned angels to watch over man and to help man.
But there is no such thing as a female angel,
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and so the angels had never seen a woman. And
when these angels saw women, the Bible says, they became
enamored with them and lusted after them. And there was
a group of angels, two hundred of them, who swore
an oath together. We read about it in the Book
of Enoch, and they said, we're going to do a
dastardly deed. We're going to descend into the earth, take
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these women, have sex with them, and produce our own children.
So that's what took place.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
And so at that point when they turned against what
God had created them to do, because God gives free will, right, right,
then they were no longer a part of the heavenly
host if you will.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
No, And in fact, Peter and Jude says that God
grabbed those particular angels by the back of the neck
and put them in underground caverns and they are held
there to this very moment.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
So do you think they're still here on the earth.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
They're in some dungeon somewhere.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
So does that mean that you think that before Jesus
comes back they could potentially be released, because then it
would be like, how it is not that group.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Because Peter and Jude both say they are held there
for all of eternity.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Well, okay, so but for a season they were still
on the earth, right they were. Do you have any
idea how long they were because again, they could have
imparted that technology and information to their offspring.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
They could have, and that's possibly why we have the Pyramids,
we have Gobelattechie, we have all these places around the
world that no one can explain. It was with angels are.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The wonders of the world that we can't like Stonehedge.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
You know, Jony, I like to watch ancient aliens. I
just get such a kick out of and they get
it all confused. They have it right that somebody came
to a billion years ago. It was angels, and when
they came down, they begin to teach all kinds of
things they were not supposed to teach, including all kinds
of weird sexual things, and that's when mankind really begin
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to go a bad room.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Okay, So when the flood came, these the offspring of
the sons of God with the daughters of men, would
have died, but we know what they would be, disembodied
spirit spirits at that point.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
So is that where we get demons from?
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Well, that's the million dollar question.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, I'm going to make you answer it.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
The old document called the Book of the Giants, which
may parts of it be pre flood. It was found
among the Dead Sea scrolls and it says, now I'm
not going to say this is the truth, but it
says that demons are the disembodied spirits of the giants.
And there were thousands and thousands and thousands of giants,
and so.
Speaker 10 (17:06):
The babies were giants from the angels, and the women
they birthed giants, they birthed giants.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
And then when the giants died in the flood, then
the Book of the Giants says that those disembodied spirits
became demons.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
But a lot of theologians say that there was a
third of heaven that rebelled against.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
God and went with Lucifer.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
That's correct, and.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
They say those are the demon spirits.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
No, they are not.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
They are not.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
Oh, why do you think they're not?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Those are not demons.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
And to possess people, pardon angels, don't try to possess.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
No, angels, don't try to What happened to those people
try to possess people because they've lost their bodies. And
that's why scholars tend to believe it's the disembodied spirits.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Of the giants.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
So what is the role of those fallen angels right
now on the earth?
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Those particular fallen angels before the flood, they have no role.
They're in prison. They in prison, and it's the ultimate punishment.
The Bible says they're in chains. We'll think about it.
Angels are creatures of speed, that God put them in chains.
Then he put them in darkness. Angels are creatures of light,
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and He's held there there for all of eternity.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Now, you know, we're talking now about a realm that
naturalized cannot see.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
But let's talk about that spiritual realm.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I mean, people believe in guardian angels, they believe in God,
they believe in heaven. But a lot of times you'll
find people they don't believe in demon spirits or Lucifer
or Hell. Explain why both those things are very real?
And what kind of battle is going on right now?
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Do you mean to answer that or Joseph, he just
wrote a great book.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Joseph, that's a good question over So, okay, So we're
talking about demon spirits or Hell or why people don't
believe in it. Well, the bottom line is Hell wasn't
made for man, but we recognize hell. I'll say it
this way, when people get on the whole thing. If
there is no hell, I think hell was an absolute
response to the violation of God's holiness. God is so extreme,
he's so holy, he's so amazing that when there was
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a violation against him, there was no punishment to pay
for that. That's why Hell will never stop burning. It
was ignited and it had to keep burning because even
Hell and all its fury, all its rage, could not
answer the crime that was committed against God.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
And he wasn't willing for any to perish possible heart.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I think God got together with the Trinity and said, hey,
they messed up. They can't fix it, so we have to.
So he said, I'm going to send my son to
die on behalf of these people. So God paid the
price of the crime against him, He paid it himself
by sending Jesus. So therefore Hell will never stop burning
because that is not resolved. But because of that, if
you receive Jesus, you don't have to go there. You're
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instantly acquitted, you're free. You don't go to that place.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
So the third of angels that fail, that's what I'm
talking about.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Where are they at right now?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I have no idea, but.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I mean are they on the earth? I mean are
they within the mosphere helping lucifers?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
There are gloomy dungeons. That's what we know. Well, the
gloomy dungeons are the angels that said before the flood,
I think the angels that fell are part of principalities
and powers. Right, right, that's what I read all the seasons,
chapter six.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Right, because so now does Satan have an army? Absolutely,
So talk a little bit about that, because people don't
understand how well organized he is.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
But he knows the end of the book also well,
when you read Afhees in six twelve, it says principalities, powers,
rulers of the darkness of this world, spiritual wickedness, and
high places. All of that is militaristic language. And Paul
saw into the spirit realm and saw how kingdom, the
kingdom of darkness was arranged. And you know, one time
I said to the Lord, why does it seem the
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devils has so many victories?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Have you ever wanted that or any victories?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
And the Lord said to me, because the devil has
something the church doesn't have. I said, what is that?
He said, commitment, organization, and discipline. He said, the church
has more power, has promises, has the blood, but the
church is not as committed, organized, and disciplined as the
kingdom of dark life.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Times they're arguing with each other.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
They're arguing with each other while the devil is ravaging
the world. That's right, Oh, we need a move of God.
We do.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
We do need a revival of the Bible. The truth
of the matter is this. When we were there, Rick,
there's one thing I do want to mention, when we
were at Noah's Ark, just kind of coming full circle
on that. When we stood there at Noah's Ark, you
said something really powerful. You said, you know what, just
like God saved these eight people and raised them above
that storm, the Lord spoke to me in that moment
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that we would see that with the United States. We'd
see it with nations and God's people that wanted to
follow him during this time. I got a word then
that we go through four years of redemptive instability. And
I believe that is why this has been discovered Israel,
the Arc, all this stuff at the same time in
nineteen forty eight. But right now, the fact that you're
bringing this back to the forefront, that you're talking about it, Jony,
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I believe is a word to the body of Christ
that God wants to deliver us from what's coming next.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
You know, the Lord gave me a word for twenty
twenty five, which I sent to you, said, batten down
the hatches. This is war, and as we sail into
this year, this redemptive instability, we have to kind of
batten down the hatch. We sure do, because there's going
to be some rough water along the way. And even
if you look at what's happening in the news this week,
all the tariff wars from one country to another, I mean,
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it's we're headed into that season.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
You know, there was a prophetic word that came to
me last week. I'll share with you all more details,
but it basically was that, you know, we talk about
pleading the blood of Jesus, and he said that the
Lord took him back to that time when he was
delivering the Israelites out of Egypt and that last plague
that came through. He said, to paint the blood over
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the doorpost. But he said that's not all he said.
He said to shut the door and stay in the house.
And you know there would have been wailing and gnashing
of teeth and horror right that night when so many
were killed, the firstborn. But the Lord said don't come out,
and so he said, that's a word.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yes, the blood of Jesus is over us. But shut
the door. Whatever doors that we've opened need to be.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Closed and need to stay in the house and trust
God to do what he's going to do.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
And the light came out of Goshen from inside their houses.
So that's the word supernatural light.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, so talk a little bit.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
We only have a few minutes left about why you
believe there's going to be a rapture.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Oh, I have no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
You have no doubt.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I'm writing a book on it right now.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I know.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
I thought it was going to be two hundred pages.
At six hundred Why does.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Everybody argue that about this particular subject.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
I don't know. But Peter said, in the end of
the age there will be mockers who will make fun
of people who believe in the rapture, And today there
really are mockers. You know, I don't understand. I can
respect their opinions, I would like for them to respect ours.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
What is the greatest evidence for the rapture that you
found in your studies?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Oh, the Bible. Well, first of all, the Bible's full
of raptures, Enik was raptured, Elijah was raptured, Jesus was
raptured us. The Bible is filled with raptures. And when
people say that they don't believe in a rapture, they
don't know the Bible. And there are other Christians who
now say, well, you know what, We're going to stay here,
We're going to take over the kingdoms of the earth,
We're going to run the government. I have more faith
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for a rapture than I do for that I don't
seem to be able to run anything. I'd rather believe
for a rapture.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
So a rapture is when the Bible talks about that
we'll meet him in the air. The second coming is
when we come with him.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
That's right. And the word rapture is the Greek word harpozzo.
This is really important because it describes a rescue operation
to snatch just in the nick of time.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
This is so good.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Do get his book Fallen Angels, Giants, Monster in the
World before the Flood, and you can call that number
on the screen and we can actually get this book
to you and tell you more about it. It helps
kind of understand those things that maybe you don't understand
when you read the Bible.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Rick is so great at that.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
But we would be remiss if we didn't give the
people watching right now an opportunity to receive Jesus, because
we want everyone to go with us to heaven.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
And that's why we.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Do what we do every day, is because your soul
is important to us, but more so even important to God.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
So Rick, well, God is in the business of giving
people a second chance. He gave me a second chance,
and he's given you a second chance. And if you've
never made Jesus the lord of your life, you don't
have to live in your sin, and you don't have
to live with your failure or just your disappointments. Jesus
wants to give you a new chance. And if you'll
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call him the Lord of your life, and that means
surrender to him the control of your life, to say, Jesus,
be the Lord of my life. Just that fast, his
spirit will come inside you. You'll become a new creature
and everything will become new, and you'll start all over again,
and it's going to be great. So, Father, in Jesus' name,
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I pray for my friend. Now, Friend, I just want
you to say, Jesus I'm giving my.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Life to you, Jesus, I'm giving life.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Be the Lord of my life, the Lord of mine life.
Come in to me, Come in to me. Give me
a new chance, Give me a new chance. Amen. Amen,
that's you.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Amen. I love that. I love it.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
It's so simple. The gospel is so simple. People make
it difficult, but it's not. The Lord loves you so much.
No accident that you're watching right now. Some of you
have never watched before and you just stopped.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
And this is why.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Because God loves you so much, and your heart has
been looking for truth. And there's just something that resonates
right now as you're listening, and that's the Holy Spirit saying,
come on home.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I've been waiting for you. So I'm so excited about
what God has for you in the days ahead. So
be encouraged.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
We are out of time, but I want you to
remember that the story Noah's Ark isn't just a tale
from the past. It is a prophetic call to action
for today. In a world full of challenges, God calls
us to stand firm, stay watchful, and to trust his
unshakable promises. Just as He was faithful to Noah, he
will be faithful to you. So if you're watching today
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and you need prayer or you pray that prayer, call
that number on the screen. We'd love to pray with you,
encourage you. Also, send you the Book of John.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
For you to start. That's a great place to start.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
In the Bible, and you'll find that the Word of
God will make such a huge difference in your life.
So get a Bible that you can understand and read
and maybe in a modern day vernacular, and start reading
the Word. Find a church, and God's going to do
some great things in your life. I really do believe
that well. I want to thank Rick Renner and Joseph
Z for joining us. For more information and resources from Rick,
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visit Renter dot org and more from Joseph visit joseph
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thank you so much for watching, and thank you for
opening your heart and.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Receiving what the Lord has for you today.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Thank you guys, such a pleasure to have all the
way from Russia and all the way from Colorado.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
And ladies, thank you so much. We'll see you next time.
Speaker 11 (28:26):
Bye bye for to day.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well, you know, forgiving is Jesus commands us to can
sometimes feel impossible, actually when your soul has been shattered
by abuse and hurt and pain disappointment. But today's guest,
it's going to share a moving testimony of how God's
love rebuilt her life, proving that forgiveness isn't just a
gift we give, it's a.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Path to our own healing.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
But before we get to that, joining around the table
is Cindy Johnston. And that's something I mean, you're going
to relate to our guest testimony because on the other side,
it's kind of you had to forgive your mom.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
What's forgiveness a big part of it?
Speaker 9 (29:30):
Oh for sure.
Speaker 12 (29:31):
I mean, you can't go on unless you forgive and baggage,
and I think it keeps accumulating because when you don't
forgive one person, you probably are gonna have problems for
giving the next person and the next person.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
And so true, so beautiful story, Dorothy Newton.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
We have to forgive seventy times seven a day all
the time.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
But you know what, the cleansing, the purity, the freedom
is so important, and it's it's just necessary for your journey,
for you personally to be able to walk in God's calling.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, Rachel Lamb Brown, Welcome to the table.
Speaker 13 (30:09):
And good.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Bitterness is not worth losing the peace that you have
when you forgive.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
I think when you can understand that forgiveness is for
you and not for anyone else, it really helps you
digest it better. But I mean, man, it's like if
you allow that in it just it just takes over every.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Aspect of your wife.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I've done it, we all have.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
It's a lot easier said than die, but it is
so worth it.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, it Kindred. We've let it marinate. I mean I
know I have, yeah, And I know.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
You're sorry, you know, and rehearsed it.
Speaker 14 (30:46):
And here's the thing though, all that rehearsing and all
that bitterness and all of that, all it does is
take away your energy. It makes you sick physically, mentally, emotionally.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
It's not good.
Speaker 14 (30:57):
It's not and it's not how God intended to live.
He wanted you to live happy and free, like Dorothy said,
and just ready to say, Okay, God, what do you
want for me next? And you can't do that and
be ready to move in his will if you're too
busy dragging around the boulders of unforgiveness behind you.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
That's what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
And forgiveness sets us free, Cindy Murdoch more than the
other person that offended us.
Speaker 10 (31:21):
It does because my experience of unforgiveness, I became somebody I.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Didn't like, but thank God, he said me.
Speaker 10 (31:29):
Because people don't realize their actions what it does to us.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Sometimes they just go on with life. They don't even
realize they've affected us.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So your situation, the person didn't even know what they
were doing, over and over breaking your heart goodness in it. Yeah,
but you got through and God restored me.
Speaker 12 (31:48):
Yes.
Speaker 10 (31:49):
Forgiveness is absolutely gold.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
It is.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
And we just want to welcome Sam McNeil to the Table.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Of the day.
Speaker 13 (31:58):
You're wonderful to be here with all of you nice, wonderful,
precious sisters in the Lord.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
We're going to have fun at the table for sure,
because you know all the people here well, you know,
for Sam McNeil, childhood abuse left deep scars, but unforgiveness
cut even deeper. She's here to share how God healed
her heart and mind through the power of forgiveness, and
how He can do the same for you. Some of
you are sitting there like, Okay, what are they going.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
To talk about?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
This is a pretty horrific testimony, but it's amazing what
God did in Sam's life.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Sam was my assistant for many years.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
She retired to go into full time ministry, preaching in
the prisons, and so that's a little bit of the
end of the story. But I know her story so well,
and I know so many of you right now watching
you may be struggling or someone you know maybe struggling
with depression or mental and emotional issues, anxiety, fear, and
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so her testimony is going to be so encouraging to you.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
So let's just start with a little bit of your childhood,
because I know you had some very traumatic things that happened.
Speaker 13 (33:09):
Yes, my father was a womanizer, He was an alcoholic,
and he abused her their entire marriage.
Speaker 9 (33:20):
Your mother, yes, huh.
Speaker 13 (33:21):
And my mother would have me sleep with her as
a child and hope that dead wouldn't come home and
pull her out of bed. And beat her, and sometimes
at worked, sometimes it didn't because and then as her daughter,
I would get up and get in the middle and
try to push him off, and then I got pushed
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aside he he was He would wrap coat hangers around
her neck, trying to choke her.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I remember one day you said, you came home, and
we can't tell every story because I want to get
to your main story.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
But she was at the top of the steps she
came home from school.
Speaker 13 (34:02):
Yeah, I was fifteen years old, and she was fully
clothed and ringing, wet from head to toe. It's like
somebody had put a hose on her. I ran up
the stairs. I hugged her and I said, Mom, what happened?
And she said that dad had put her that she
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was in the bathtub and he tried to drown her,
and then he hauled her down until she felt like
she was going to die, and then he released her
and he stood back and laughed. Well, that was one
of the instants.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
So you saw a dad who was abusive, who was
an alcoholic, who was a womanizer, who beat your mom,
But he surprisingly never beat you. I mean, he did
some verbal abuse, but as far as touching you physically.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
He didn't know.
Speaker 13 (34:54):
He didn't. He never physically abused me. He was very
emotionally abusive to.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
But you saw a woman that was in pure torment
for years. Absolutely, Mom, So tell us about that fateful
day when you were asleep.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
What happened.
Speaker 13 (35:11):
I was in a deep sleep and I heard breaking glass,
which woke me up, and I ran into the other
bedroom next door, and I found my brother was in there,
and he was screaming no, no, no, and Mom was
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on the bed, and her body had had a bluish
color to it. And so in my mind, because Dad
had always beat her so much, I thought he had
beaten her to death. And so I ran all over
the house looking for him because I was going to
kill him. And when I didn't find him, then I
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ran ran back upstairs and I straddled my mother's body.
Her mouth was a little bit open, and so I began.
I didn't know anything about CPR, of course, and I
didn't have the forethought to pinch her nose as I
breathed my breath into her body. And I will never
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forget the coldness of that air, which was my air
coming back through her nose on the right side of
my cheek.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Wow, how devastating was it for you at fifteen to
find your mom like that?
Speaker 9 (36:37):
It was horrible. It was horrible.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I think you told me one time it may have
been the worst day of your life.
Speaker 9 (36:43):
It was, it still has been.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
People think about even some of you watching right now,
you've thought, Gosh, I just don't even want to keep
living it. Just I'd be better, My family would be better,
life would be better if I just ended it.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Don't do it. Don't do it.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Think about what Sam's talking about. And those voices that
tell you to do that are the voices of the enemy.
The Bible says that satans come to kill, still and destroy,
But Jesus said, I've come that you might have life
and have it more abundantly, and Jesus wants to breathe
life into that situation you're in right now.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
So we're just going to pray right now in.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Jesus name for those thoughts to dissipate, and you are
not going to take your life in Jesus' name.
Speaker 7 (37:26):
Is that what happened? Your mom took her own life.
Speaker 13 (37:30):
Yes, that was the breaking of the glass. That it
was a bottle of sleeping pills that she had taken.
Speaker 9 (37:38):
And then later.
Speaker 13 (37:40):
My brother and I we had found other bottles that
she had also, so.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
She had taken like a huge amount of sleeping hill
she did before. So how was your life after that, Sam,
because there was no really, if you will, relationship with
God or understanding really of the Lord at that point
in your life there.
Speaker 13 (38:00):
Yeah, there wasn't anything. I actually remember standing out running
out of the house one day dead and I had
got into it. It was the same house, and I
stood on the lawn and I raised my fist to
God and I said, I hate my father and I
hate you God. And why this came out of my mouth,
I'll never know, but I said, and I'll never serve you.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Wow.
Speaker 13 (38:25):
And then I had to live with my dad for
four to five years after that.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
So did you kind of become rebellious and you're oh, yeah, yeah,
I know.
Speaker 7 (38:34):
What was your dad's reaction to your mom?
Speaker 9 (38:37):
He didn't.
Speaker 13 (38:39):
I don't remember him crying. I don't know that he
was in shock. He actually couldn't find him for a
couple of days because we had to send the police
out find him somewhere because he was out. And we
found out later who was out with another woman, and
when he came in he I don't even know that
he was shocked about that.
Speaker 9 (39:00):
I never saw him cry.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Now, later on he's going to have to deal with
shame and conviction and condemnation. We'll get to that, but
I mean, for the most part, he lived a miserable life.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
He did.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
And so you continue on in rebellion. At some point
you get saved. We want to get you saved them.
Speaker 9 (39:20):
Yes, lead me to the Lord R right now. And Yes.
Speaker 13 (39:25):
In nineteen seventy four, my brothers had been encouraging me
to come to church, and finally I went in nineteen
seventy four and at a little nascering church in Kenmorro, Ohio.
My sister in law, Doretta, my brother Larry. Duretta's dad
actually was the very, very godly man. I always looked
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up to him. And he was at the altar that
gave the altar call. And I went down there and
I remember he prayed for me and gave my life
to the Lord. And he looked at me and he said,
never turned back. And I said, I want.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
So, what made it different at that point that your
heart was open to receive the Lord?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
After all you've been through.
Speaker 9 (40:10):
I think that.
Speaker 13 (40:13):
It was just how much that Jesus offered me compared
to what I had had before, and and also the
the journey that he began taking me on.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
You ended up getting married, yes, and having a daughter yes,
named Naudua Naua. I hope you're watching this, and but
you're you're a Christian at this point, and uh, but then.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
You have to go through a divorce.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yes, there's infidelity, yes, and spirriage of heart broken again?
Speaker 9 (40:55):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
How hard was that?
Speaker 13 (40:58):
That was really hard? It was very difficult divorce to
go through. And I had been out at the workforce,
you know, being married and having naedge when everything.
Speaker 9 (41:11):
So I had to find a job. So went and
did that and it was just.
Speaker 13 (41:18):
Devastating mentally, I think, picking up all the pieces and.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
And at some point you you were not you were
not only saved, but you begin to be hungry for more.
Speaker 9 (41:32):
Yes, of the Lord.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
And so tell us about what happened with that.
Speaker 9 (41:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (41:36):
I was working for rex Hombard Ministries. I worked at
Ford in midnight shift and so I was driving home
one night, had to pick up Nause from the babysitter
and as was driving, I could feel the presence of
God on me, and I just started speaking in this
(41:57):
this different type of language. And I had been seeking
the baptism the Holy Spirit, and so you know, I
get Nagel home and I get her in bed, and
I'm like, I want to finish this. And so the
devil owys try and distract us, you know, when God
wants to bless us with something. And so I grabbed
a picture of Jesus off the wall and I put
(42:19):
it in front of me and I was kneeling it
to bed, and then I lived in my arms and
I told God, I said, I want everything you have
for me, and I want tost baptisms in the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 9 (42:31):
And I mean it was like just you just dropped
right and that was.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Like something that was supernatural for you that really, i know,
encouraged you. You felt like a calling to ministry. At
the same time, yes, you still probably are dealing with
the pain and the trauma of your childhood. That's that's
that's just deep inside you that really the light of
(42:56):
God's healing power hasn't shown on it, and you haven't
dealt probably with a lot of that, even unforgiveness towards
your Father, which is understandable. So I mean, because there
are people watching right now that you love God, but
you have things down there that need to come out
and the light of God needs to shine on it,
and God saying.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
You're going to have to forgive if you're going to
move on and be healed, even from some of the
stuff you're suffering right now. You were diagnosed with what
not long after that.
Speaker 9 (43:26):
With manic depressive illness.
Speaker 13 (43:29):
I had a which they call bipolar bipolar today, and
I had constant suicidal thoughts and severe depression. I had
a mental breakdown in nineteen seventy nine. I was in
psychiatric wards on three different occasions, and I was always
(43:52):
when they have to go to counselors, you know.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
And now during that time, the Lord brought a wonderful
man into your life.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
I did that.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
You met actually at Rex.
Speaker 8 (44:01):
I did.
Speaker 9 (44:01):
He worked in an engineering he's a TV engineer.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
And we've y'all been married now for forty.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Okay, so but.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Anyway, so let's go back. So he's walking with you
through this. I mean, Steve is he knows you're dealing
with this. I know you told me you would have
like high highs and you'd go shopping and buy everything
at store.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Right, and the cry and then go really low and I.
Speaker 13 (44:26):
Really have to get a third job now and and
so yes, Steve was was very supportive of me during
that time.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
And did you ask, like when you go to church
to be prayed for always?
Speaker 9 (44:40):
Always?
Speaker 1 (44:41):
And I know you told me you probably a hundred
times went down I could.
Speaker 9 (44:44):
I couldn't put a number on it.
Speaker 13 (44:47):
Over the years, you know that I would go down
and ask for prayer. I mean I was in every
healing line that could you could imagine you're on.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
You're on medication.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yes, we always tell everybody when we talk about this
kind of testimony, don't go off your medication. At SAS
is a supernatural story. God will speak to you and
show you about that.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
But I do.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Believe that some of the things we're going to talk
about today are going to bring healing in that area.
Some of you that have suffered with depression, it's not
even so much about the depression, it's about something down
there that you haven't dealt with. And when that comes
up and God heals it and you forgive, you're going
to see some of these things you've been dealing with
in your body, heel. I mean, it's just it's going
(45:31):
to happen. Yes, So take us to that service, the
main service. How did you get to this particular church
service where they actually were praying for people and you
knew there were some there was just there was a special.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Annointing at this church. During this time this.
Speaker 13 (45:47):
Season, Steve was working for James Robinson Ministries and James
was going to have a crusade or a conference in Orlando, Florida.
And so I had a friend that worked at James's
and she called me and she said, we need somebody
(46:08):
to work the book table, and did she want to
know if I wanted to volunteer for that because Steve
had to go down anyway. And so at first I
told her no because I was so depressed and suicidal.
Speaker 9 (46:22):
I thought I just can't do this.
Speaker 13 (46:25):
And then I called her back and I thought, now
I feel like I need to go.
Speaker 9 (46:29):
So went down there.
Speaker 13 (46:31):
We had friends on staff at a church locally there,
and Steve and I went to the morning service. It
was incredible, and then Steve had to work that night,
so I went back to the evening service.
Speaker 9 (46:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (46:49):
I was so tired and I just didn't want to go,
but then I felt like I should, and so I
went to the service. There were hundreds of people in
line outside of the building, went in, got a seat.
My friend there got me his seat, and the presence
(47:13):
and power of God was.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
The way I.
Speaker 9 (47:16):
Describe it is that it was thick. It was like
oil you.
Speaker 13 (47:19):
Could rub between your fingers. And in the Pastor had
actually dismissed the people to go several times, but nobody
wanted to go, of course, and so in the middle
of the service, then he stopped all of a sudden,
and he said, I have a vision of the Lord
(47:40):
and he's here. He's in a white robe, and he
has instructed me to put an empty chair in representation
of him being here on the platform. And he's told
me to tell you to ask anything that you need
(48:02):
and he will do it.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
And he left the stage.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Yeah, he said, Lord, there's nobody on the stage. It's
just an empty chair. And he's saying, I'm getting off
the stage because Jesus is here and he wants to
heal you. Yes, And so what happened? What did you
see happened? When he left the stage.
Speaker 13 (48:18):
I saw hundreds of people go forward, But I also
within the that group. I saw little children going up
and they would go and they would raise their little
arms before that empty chair and they would It was
like a gentle wind would come and just blow them over.
They were getting slain in the people in the spirit.
(48:41):
People were getting healed, they were getting baptized in the spirit,
people were getting saved. And so I sat there and
I was witnessing all of this, and all of a sudden,
the Lord reminded me that just like I saw those
(49:02):
little children going forward, that I needed to have a
childlike face. And this is what I heard him, clearly,
as clear as I'm speaking right now, and he said,
do not be afraid. I will in no way cast
you aside. Ask what you would of me now and
I will do it. I bid you come now.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
And every time she told me that story, folks, exactly
she knows exactly what the Lord said, because Sam nor
I would talk that way.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
I bid you come.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
I will in no way cast you aside, I mean.
And so what did you do when you heard that?
Speaker 13 (49:39):
Because the presence of God was so heavy there, I
got out of my chair and I started walking to
the altar, and the closer I got to the altar.
The more presence of God came upon me and I
went up there on the platform. I raised my hand
(50:00):
in front of that.
Speaker 9 (50:03):
Empty chair. I raised my arms as high.
Speaker 13 (50:06):
As I could get them, like I wanted to touch God.
So he touched me, and I said, God, I asked
you to heal me or deliver me from this severe depression.
And I ask you God, to deliver me from this
spirit of suicide. And I said God, I beg you
(50:28):
to deliver me from this manic to illness. And what
I felt was warm oil coming over my body. I
felt that sensation, and I felt a hand come through
my physical brain as though it was cleaning out all
of the garbage, everything you know, out of my brain.
Speaker 9 (50:51):
And then I was slain in the spirit.
Speaker 13 (50:56):
And I remember when I got up that for the
first time in the twenty years that I could think clearly. Wow,
it was like my brain had been put through a
washing machine.
Speaker 9 (51:12):
That it really was like.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
That, and you could think clearly.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
And I just want to say, for those of you
that are watching you, since the presence of God right there,
we are just received from the Lord right now, and
just say thank you Jesus for healing me right now
thank you for your presence. It's in this room right now.
Just receive that right now. We're almost out of time.
But you have to share about years later, and of
(51:37):
course you were on lithium, and I mean she's had
no medication since.
Speaker 13 (51:42):
That, No, for over thirty years, and no issues with
no issues with.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Any of that.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Like God completely healing that, folks, that's a miracle. Yes, okay,
So years later, your dad is still alive in his
late seventies, and you you're going to go visit him.
Speaker 13 (51:59):
Yes, was working for you at the time, and I
was driving, and you gave me a phone call and
you said that you had had a vision of the
Lord and that on this trip that if I would
give him the simple plan of salvation, that he was
(52:22):
going to receive Jesus. And so went on to Alabama
and went to his little mobile home and I went
in and I knelt by his recliner and I said, dead.
I said, you don't have to feel guilty anymore, because
I knew that he had always felt guilty about Mom's suicide,
(52:45):
but we had never spoken about it. And I said,
Jesus loves you and he will forgive you, just like
he's forgiven me. I said, would you like to accept
Jesus as your personal say you're right now, and he said, yes, honey,
I'd love to do that. And so I led him
(53:05):
in a prayer of salvation and he passed just a
few years later, and so I know he's in heaven.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
I mean some of you watch him say, well, I
don't think he deserved to be forgiven. The truth is
none of us deserves that's right. So, especially for you
that you feel like you have committed the unpardonable sin,
I want you to know that you can be forgiven
if you repent. The Bible says, if we confess our sins,
he's faithful and just to forgive us of all our
sins and declines us from all unrighteousness. And he wants
(53:38):
to do that for you right now. All you have
to say is Jesus, come in forgive me. Can you
really forgive me?
Speaker 2 (53:44):
Yes? He can.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
And then say, fill me with your spirit. I want
everything that you have for me. Just say it, right,
just say it, fill me with your spirit. I want
everything that you have for me right now. And I'm
telling you it's a.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
New day for you.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Old Bible says, old things pass away, Behold all things
are new.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
There's joy in the morning, and.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
So that joy is coming your way when you pray
that prayer. Well, I hat didn't get to talk to
all of y'all, but I mean, maybe just one word
from each of you.
Speaker 12 (54:13):
Cindy, God is miraculous.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
That's three words, but that's good story. God is love words.
Speaker 7 (54:22):
I'd say, there's hope.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
Yeah, awesome, what an awesome.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Awesome And you felt the presence already. I was like
trying to Okay, Cindy, Wow, amazing, yeah, amazing, amazing. Thank
you so much, Sam my pleasure for sharing your story.
And we are out of time, but I want you
to remember whatever the past may hold, just remember this
(54:46):
unforgiveness doesn't have to be part of your future. Sam
could have held onto that, and I really believe she
probably wouldn't be here if she had chosen never to forgive.
And as horrible as what it was what happened, God
in his mercy still reach down and touch that father
and touch his heart. And we don't know what his
(55:08):
story is. See that's the thing. People that do these
kind of things, we never know what happened to them,
you know, or how they were treated or what they
went through. So you know, we can't be God, we
can't judge the heart of people, but we know that
Jesus came to save all for all of us.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
He died for all of us.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
So I want you to understand that as you prayed
that prayer, those of you that did, He's going to
give you a peace and a.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Joy that you have been longing for.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
And if you're watching today and you need prayer, you
pray that prayer, or you need prayer or you're believing
God for healing, we have amazing prayer partners that are
standing by ready to pray with you.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
And that's why that numbers on the screen.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
And I will send you the Book of John, the
Gospel of John for free if you pray that prayer.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
And that's just our way of getting you.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Started into the Word of God, because is so important
to get a good Bible.
Speaker 2 (55:55):
Start doing that.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
But I do want to thank my dear friend Sam
for being here today. As always, make sure to follow
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Speaker 2 (56:03):
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Sam is now ministering in prisons and God is using
her in an amazing way and.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
She has so many great stories to tell about that.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
Isn't it amazing how God can take everything that we
went through and use it to relate and heal others.
I mean, it's so powerful, it's so powerful, And that's
what He's going to do for you. Some of you
have been through some dark, dark situations. God's going to
redeem that. He's going to bring light, healing, he's going
to wash you clean, and then he's going to take
everything that you went through and use you to help
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those around you in a way that you can even imagine,
so you'd be ready for that.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
Thank you so much for watching today. We love you,
See you next time. By bye for today
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