JONI TABLE TALK, MAY 18TH, 2025

SEGMENT 1: Bishop Kelvin L. Cobaris shares his inspiring testimony and reveals why God has called all believers to be bridge builders in their communities.
SEGMENT 2: Joseph Z shares prophetic insights into this new season, uncovering what today\u2019s shocking events could reveal about the future of America.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, you know, as the world becomes increasingly divided, we
need spiritual leaders who can unify the church in love. Well,
today's guest shares why God is calling all believers to
be bridge builders and how the Lord raised him up
as a preacher yep, when he was just five years old.
But before you get to that, join me around the table.
As April Simon's I don't even know if you were
saved at five years old. I actually was not.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
You are were you at sinner?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
We were still praying, try to get saved. And I
finally got saved at seven years old. So I'm going
to have it. I'll want you to know I got
saved at six, so I was a year ahead of you,
you know, and a kindall. How are you?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
I am just great?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
And I love the fact that he's a bridge builder,
building bridges over troubled waters.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
That's right, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
I love it when a child gets saved. I heard
someone say when when an adult gets saved, that's a
soul that saved. When a child gets saved, that's an
entire lifetime that's saved.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Oh that's so good. Dorothy Newton, how are you? I'm good?
I think she wants to preach. We'll just cut her
loose and let her go at bit. I know you
can preach a little bit too, absolutely as well. Cindy Johnson,
how are you hey. I love pastors that have that
message of unity and bridge building and really taking the

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church outside the four walls.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yes, and the way that he sees beyond that he
sees wants to bring unity to all people. Yeah, all ages,
and I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
I need to Cindy Murdoch, how are you doing? These
are my two Cindy besties. Really everybody at the table
is my bestie?

Speaker 5 (01:56):
Is like?

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Do you have relationship with all these women?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yes, been lifelong.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Seems like we love each other and that's why you
will sense that unity even with us around the table.
We love sharing that with you.

Speaker 6 (02:10):
Well.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Today's guest is a senior pastor of New Life Church
International Fleas Welcome, Bishop Kelvin Caberis, come on in here,
Pis Are you doing all right? Good to see you.
It's so good to have you on the table. Yes,

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all the way from Atlanta. Yes, you know, I was
born in Greenville, South Carolina. That's not that far from Atlanta, Georgia.
It's not well as a child, Bishop Kelvin Coberts like
to play church by preaching to the neighborhood kids. But
today God has raised him up as one of the
most influential pastors in America. He's joined us today to
reveal why he's dedicated his life to building bridges in

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the body of Christ. Before we get into that, take
us back to five year old Kelvin. We want to
hear the story.

Speaker 7 (02:59):
Five year old Kelvin and walked up to the altar
at his church home lives in the Street Church of God, Orlando, Florida,
told my pastor, I want to join the church. He
looks at me, taking me serious. Why the whole church
is laughing, and he says, what would you like to
do in the church?

Speaker 8 (03:12):
I said, preach?

Speaker 7 (03:14):
And the next night was Monday night prayering me and
he said, you're going to preach that night?

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh wow.

Speaker 7 (03:18):
The church was packed out with all the people that
were laughing and they listened to this five year old
boy talk about drinking and driving.

Speaker 8 (03:26):
And minnisols Will saved all of that message. Although it
was not hermaeutic in the sound, it was on point.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
It may not have been totally theolanunchically rag. But it
was you know, the fact of the matter is that
you took the challenge on on me. How many five
year olds stand up? And actually people got saved that night.
So from that point on, did you always know that
you were going to preach?

Speaker 7 (03:51):
I've actually knew it. I knew it early on from
a kid. My mom would tell me stories of how
God would use me to mendicalisor two and three year
old sat five.

Speaker 8 (04:00):
So it was just in me. It was a part
of me.

Speaker 7 (04:02):
No one taught me so like I came here that
way and throughout my whole course of ministry.

Speaker 8 (04:08):
My pastor he brought me up, tutored me.

Speaker 7 (04:10):
I had owned the job training and he poured into
me all the way up into my adult.

Speaker 8 (04:15):
Age and sent me to school and everything. Here I
am today.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
I think we have a picture of him. Actually, I
don't know if he's praying for you or your yes,
but it's a great picture. This man was the real deal, Yes,
And how important was that for you at that time
in your life? Kind of talk about some of the
circumstances you were going through privately, business.

Speaker 8 (04:35):
Laugh was a bonus father.

Speaker 7 (04:36):
Of course, my parents went through a divorce and of
course that was hard. It's harder for my brother. He
was older, four years older, so he had my dad longer,
and so of course going through that trap of transition.
My mom did the right thing. She brought her sons
to church, and she allowed the village to help bring
her children through a difficult time. And my mentor happened
to be the pastor himself who loved me like his own.

(04:59):
He treated me like his own natural son, poured all
of himself into me. And the last memories I have
of him before he died in twenty fifteen was the
fact that we pastored the church together in his final years,
and that was just the best time of my life,
just for him to watch me do everything that he
taught me to do in a congregation that he had
served for some forty years.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
How did God bless you for the honor and respect
that you gave him in your life? How did you
get that and understand that early on and adhere to it?

Speaker 8 (05:33):
Honor birth's honor.

Speaker 7 (05:35):
When you give honor, your receive honor. Of course, as
a child my mother and my grandmother, like Timothy, I
was raised by that faith who taught me how to
honor God. How to honor them and to honor everyone,
And so that shaped my moral compass of that and
as a result of it, it gave me a respect
for this man of God, not only in his younger years,
but when he got older. I began to commit myself

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to him and his widow. His wife is still alive
and while he's passed on, I still serve to the.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Sty That's awesome. Well, when we talk about honor, I
was thinking about we just had Lorenzo Sewell on the
on the table yesterday, and he's doing a great work
there in Detroit, and God's using him an amazing way,
even in the political arena, just like you. But he
talked about something that really struck a chord with me.
When you talk about honor, the word has a lot

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to say about even honoring your father and your mother.
It doesn't say honor your father if he's perfect, or
honor your mother if she doesn't make any mistakes. But
why is that so important? And he was just talking about,
like he said in the African American community, that you
would never dishonor your mother ever, even if you had

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the worst either in the world.

Speaker 7 (06:49):
That's called him be dumb, right, moms can kill you
with their look.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
So talk a little bit about that. Why is it
so important? And we have a generation that doesn't adhere
to it?

Speaker 7 (07:04):
Sure, we have a generation that has lost a sense
of Christ and culture because they are now embraced the
culture that anything goes, and as a result of that,
they don't honor anyone, not even themselves. And so that's
why you see the disrespects and homes. And you have
a lot of single parent homes and mothers that are
trying to rear young men and that's difficult, especially they're

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trying to rear them outside of the faith and not
instilling something in them. You'll find it difficult, But I
thank god that early on my mom taught me, my
grandmother taught me that you're going to honor God, and
that's where it stars. You're going to honor us, and
you're going to honor your fellow man. And that's shape
who I am about unity and love and respect to
one another because everybody deserves that.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Now, where you find yourself today is probably where you
wouldn't have thought you had ended up, because you ended
up in a predominantly white congregation when you had pastored
predominantly black agregations. But again it kind of adds to
that narrative of being a bridge builder because now that
church has become integrated with every color, which I think

(08:10):
the body of Christ, we should see every color represented
in our churches. Do you agree with that?

Speaker 8 (08:15):
I totally agree.

Speaker 7 (08:16):
When I pastored a black church and I changed from
the Liberal Party and became a conservative, and when I
made that decision and gain and prayed for President Trump
and his first administration, that upset my community and as
a result of it, I lost all my members, and
that believed that there was a blessing behind a closed
door because God was now bringing me to the platform
of saying, now I don't want you to.

Speaker 8 (08:37):
Just talking to black people.

Speaker 7 (08:38):
I'm glad all the black folk walked out on you,
because now I'm going to introduce you to the Kingdom.
And from that time I start having opportunities to speak
to different people, different ethnic groups, and share the love
of Jesus Christ. And then I end up passoring a
church that was predominantly white when I got there, But
now we've got every type of different ethnic group that's
in that church.

Speaker 8 (08:57):
Because it starts with me, oh well, I.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Will let y'all check. But I'm just saying one more thing.
So Fred Markaret is a dear friend. He's been here
on the table. He's a globalist and it was with
WYWOM for forty years and trained all these missionaries. But
he told me something a few days ago. He said,
you know, sometimes in ministry, he said, you can look
at getting a healing or a resurrection. He said, now,

(09:22):
Jesus could have gotten to Lazar sooner and there could
have been a healing, but there actually was a death,
but then there was a resurrection, and that would be
a greater story than a healing. So sometimes there are
things in our life that have to die so that
they can be resurrected. And sometimes it's the whole perspective

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that we have right and we may not understand, Like
you may be going through something right now and you
don't understand, and maybe it's just a death, but it
just hold on. Joy comes in the morning. Weeping may
en door for a night, but joy comes in the morning,
and there's going to be a resurrection if you will
hold on and trust God, because sometimes we can't understand

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what he's doing, and he's working in our lives in
a supernatural way. But we're just thinking we just want
a healing, we just want to fix this one thing.
But God is saying, no, beyond this, I actually have
a death and a resurrection.

Speaker 8 (10:17):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
You'll probably preach that.

Speaker 9 (10:21):
And I was thinking when you said that about the
death that with Lazarus, he'd been dead long enough, they said,
But Lord, he stinketh right. Sometimes the death might even stink. Yeah,
it might really be look like no.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
And they go on for three days and that, and
you think there's not going to be a resurrection. You
need to preach on a little bit about that.

Speaker 7 (10:43):
Tell him it's just like And I looked at the
closed door as a death in a sense, because.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
I mean, just it was a death.

Speaker 7 (10:51):
It was a death you see in people that you love,
you serve, and turn against you because of your convictions
to pray for a leader. But then I saw the
real direction when God said, although that door closed, I'm
giving you a greater platform because there's a message I'm
giving you that you got to take not just not
just to America, but to the nations. And that's the

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message of oneness and bringing people together through my reconcilation
and love and that's the resurrection. I've come to life
and come to life sharing the message of the love
of Jesus Christ and how we should come together and
be one good.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
It's good.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
I find that we see God move in the greatest
ways after an ending. And sometimes I just have to
tell myself, April, God put.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
An ending to that.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Let it end. God shut the doors. Who quit trying
to open it?

Speaker 5 (11:36):
But actually it actually died, Yeah, it actually died. And
you know, I like to say this, stop cheating on
your future with your past and just go for it.
God gave an ending. There's a period of mark now
he has something brand new for you. And if we
just embrace the new, like you said, that, God can
amaze us.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
You know, and you have to let you know if
you really trust God. You know that that scripture says
trusting the Lord, one of my favored Chris, trusting the
Lord with all your heart. Yes, lean not into your
own understanding, but in all your ways acknowledge him and
he will direct your path. That's so important, isn't.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
It is so important?

Speaker 3 (12:14):
And I've seen people who've had a phenomenal vision and
they can't seem to get that vision to become a reality.
And what God wants many times is for you to
let give him that vision and he will end it.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
But what he does then is give.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
You one that is even bigger and better and contain
more if we just submit our thoughts and our ways.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
And our visions to him.

Speaker 6 (12:38):
What are some practical things that you did to diverse
the body of Christ? I mean, did you diversify leadership?

Speaker 1 (12:45):
I mean was that it?

Speaker 6 (12:46):
Did you encourage groups to different ethnicities to meet together?
I mean, what is the key? Like, I've never been
in an all black or all white church. I believe
that I was called to be part of the body,
the Body of Christ.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
And we've been in church together. We've been in church together. Yeah,
but so yeah, how did you do that? I mean
for pastors watching that, like, you know, I'd like to
see that happen in my church.

Speaker 7 (13:13):
Well, this is what I did. First of all, you
got to lead self. You can't preach a message that
you're not going to live out. If you're going to
talk about bridge building, I need to ask you how
many of the different ethnic groups do you have in
your phone as your friends that you are intentional about
building a relationship with. So it's just start with you
that you're a model of a bridge building. And then

(13:34):
I started an organization called bridge Builders Network along with
a few other pastors, and the ideal was that was
we based it on the scripture make them one as
you and I one, so the world would know I
was sent by You, and we use that network to
bring people together, and we brought them together through worship.
But we brought them together through worship to then come
to have table talk and what we call critical conversations

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to talk through some of the issues that we found
that were.

Speaker 8 (13:59):
Misunderstand at your own tables.

Speaker 7 (14:03):
And that's how we really had We encouraged people to
have conversations, stop making misconceptions and judgments, and sit down
with somebody and understand where they come from and their walkness.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Real communications.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
Yes, and don't you think having been able to ask
questions honestly from one person to another.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
There are things I grew up in a very.

Speaker 10 (14:24):
White world, and as God has brought other cultures into
my life, I have learned so much and it's made
my life richer.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Richer in so many ways.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
But there are a lot of times there are just
questions that you don't understand about one another, although you're
born in the same country, you don't understand.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
In your church. I mean the church you passor for
over thirty years definitely was diverse. Yes, I mean you
had Hispanic, black, white, Asian, everyone.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Yes, but it was white for a There were decisions
made that we needed to look like a five mile
radius of our church and the demographics of that, and that's.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
What we sought out to do. But it made the.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Church so much richer and the communication there's better understanding,
and that's what we need.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
But you lost people too.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
We did. We had people say they need.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Their church and we need our church, and we're like, wow, Wow.

Speaker 8 (15:22):
It happens.

Speaker 7 (15:22):
I'm telling you because when I made those decisions, I've
had family withdraw. I've had what I thought were friends
withdraw from me simply because I said I want to
love all people. I said, what's wrong with loving all people?
But you just don't understand. I said, obviously you don't understand.
And if you sit down and get an understand, then
maybe you'll treat people differently and stop judging a group

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based on what a person did. And a story of
when I was preaching in or somewhere, I was and
a man came up and said to me, he was
brutally attacked by some black guys and he hated black
people from that time.

Speaker 8 (15:57):
He said it.

Speaker 7 (15:57):
Then one day when he became a pastor here, he
went through a sickness and it was a black man
in his church that basically took care of him and
nurtured him.

Speaker 8 (16:06):
Wow, and he said what healed him?

Speaker 7 (16:07):
Wills God had to say, you're mad at black people
because some black boys robbed you when you shouldn't have
been made at black people. You should have been angry
the guys who robbed.

Speaker 8 (16:15):
You and not judge the whole group.

Speaker 7 (16:17):
And that's exactly what people are doing. They're judging entire
group of people by the actions of a few, and
that's just ignorance. We've got to sit down, talk through things, love,
forgive and move forward.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Well, I wanted to ask you, and I don't even
know the answer to this question, but was there anything
that you had to work through personally? I mean, we've
done shows on this, by the way, where we talk
about the prejudice in both because you know you can
see them both sides. I mean there have been times
I've had guests and I could since the pushback, and
I'm like, wow, you know, And so I mean, we

(16:52):
talked about Dorothy. We did a show where she shared
some of the things she had gone through as an
African American woman. And again it was just to educate
because I had never had anything like this happened to me. Okay,
I couldn't even relate to it. She goes into Walmart
and a policeman follows her, yes, and then follows her home.

Speaker 6 (17:13):
He thought I had stolen a jacket that I had
on and you know, got to the counter, you know,
asking for all this. ID followed me home. It was
the most humiliating.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
And then the next day came to her door. So
so I had to prove and she had to show
the receipt where she's also pictures.

Speaker 6 (17:31):
Look, I had this jacket on it. It was the worst.
But I mean, you know those experiences, I mean, the
list is long, long, well.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
And two, you know, when we did the shows with
you and I did it with several others. My mother
was watching in South Carolina and she said, wow, she said,
I can't blieme that happened to Dorothy. I mean, and
so again she's not telling that story. We go, oh,
Dorothy because she's forgiven and moved on past it. But
still we need that kind of clarity understanding. Don't you

(18:01):
think was there anything that happened to you that you
had to work through and forgive as well?

Speaker 7 (18:05):
There I was in Cardissville, Georgia, on my way from
Cleveland from a meeting and stopped by an officer at
Cartersville and he stopt me for no reason and told
me to get out, and it was burning hot outside.
He made me stay, say, stand right here in front
of his car while he ran my license and found nothing,
and he sought my identification that I had a chaplain's badge,

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that I worked with law enforcement. So as she told
him right there that I'm no one you need to
be concerned about. But he treated me like he would
anyone else that was a person of color, and it
was obviously what was happening. It made me feel uncomfortable,
and for a moment I had a moment like, ah,
here we go, because of course we've been taught well,
you know, the historical five of this country is this, that,
and the other.

Speaker 8 (18:47):
But God had to.

Speaker 7 (18:48):
Speak to me again and said, my love and my
sacrifice has changed all of this and you're not going
to turn your heart toward those actions.

Speaker 8 (18:57):
You're going to represent me. So it's all about a choice, even.

Speaker 7 (19:01):
In those moments where you're being mistreated, when you're being
done wrong. Yes, we have a history, but history is
just that history so that you can know it and
not repeat it.

Speaker 8 (19:10):
That's the idea of it, which will make history not
repeat this.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
So what would you say, Bishop to someone who's watching
that they just can't whatever color you are, but you
were heard from another race, whatever, and you just can't
get past it was the wound was so deep. Would
you just look in the camera minister to them right
now and talk about why the love of God and

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forgiveness is so important for us.

Speaker 7 (19:36):
Jesus was wounded for our transgressions and bruised for our
iniquitous He died for people that rejected him while he
was dying, and get this, they were his own people, yes,
but yet he did not have anyone take his life,
but he laid it down and sacrifice it for us.

Speaker 8 (19:56):
So if the Lord Jesus Christ.

Speaker 7 (19:57):
Himself can love and forgive despite what we have done,
what we continue to do, or what we will do
in the future, what makes you any better that, no
matter how deep the wound is, if you claim the
love of Jesus Christ and that Christ is in your life,
you have to forgive, You have to release the past,
and you have to be a platform messenger of how

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we must move forward in unity today.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
That's so good. And you know, if you're watching today
and for whatever reason you just stopped your listening and
you don't know, Jesus, how important is that decision? And
would you just lead them in a prayer and we'll
repeat after you and give everybody an opportunity. I know
what kind of caught job guard there's day right there,
because I'm just telling you the Holy spirit's knocking on
your door right now, and he's wanting to change your life,

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and he's the one that can really set you free
from what we're talking about.

Speaker 7 (20:49):
Jesus says, the day you hear my voice, heart and
not your heart. He's whispering to you now, saying, come
to me, embrace a love that is everlasting. You may
feel empty, hopeless and abandoned, but Christ is ready to
receive you. Just said, Lord Jesus, Lord Jesus, I believe.
I believe that you came you live. He died, you

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ascend it and you will soon return. Serious that I
accept you today. That's my saving Lord. If you repeated
those words, welcome to the family.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Amen. Amen. And you know what, that is the most
important prayer that you could ever pray. And it's amazing
because all of us have prayed it and we know
that it's life changing. It doesn't mean that everything is
going to be perfect, but it means that we're never
alone again. What about that?

Speaker 8 (21:41):
Right?

Speaker 7 (21:41):
And that's the thing is And it's not perfect because
we're lifing. We're in a world that's not perfect. We're
in a world with wickedness and cruelty. But when you
have a relationship with Christ, it gives you confident in
that world to know that this is not the end.
The hope there is a hope. If you only have
hope in this life, your men, most men, But if
you have hope that a life that is coming, that's everlasting,

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is full of His glory, then that gives you the
encouragement to keep going and keep moving.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
What about encouraging people that are watching say they're maybe
not called into ministry or not to be a pastor
or whatever, but God has a calling on their life,
and he is really calling the body of Christ to
infiltrate this arena that has been plagued with darkness. What
would you say to encourage them? And are you doing

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that and trying to build raise up young men and
women to get involved in what's going on in the
world today.

Speaker 8 (22:34):
That's exactly what I'm doing right now.

Speaker 7 (22:35):
I'm mentoring youth of all ages in my community. Within
my church, I run various programs that deal with at
risk youth, getting them out of the idea that they
have to conform to their environment. But they can dream
bigger and spread the dream and effect change. And I
want to say to you today, everybody's not apostle, prophety, vanders,
pastor teacher, but all of us are menisis of reconciliation.

Speaker 8 (22:58):
While your attorney or doctor.

Speaker 7 (23:00):
You know, whatever your profession is, you need to take
your life, your witness to the marketplace and let your
story change somebody's heart.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
So good, that's so good, you know. Bishop.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
One thing that I truly believe in is legacy. And
I believe you know Dorothy here and Dorothy's story and
actually witnessing things that Dorothy talked about and what not.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Witnessing what you talked about.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
But we just because we were raised a certain way,
does it mean that we can't say, hey, it stops
with me. And generationally, if we've come from you know,
somebody that's kind of put people in their box, we
can say, you know, it ran in the family, told
it ran into me, and the buck stops here. And
I think, could you speak to people who maybe are
having trouble with that right now?

Speaker 7 (23:42):
I mean I came a Bettal family that was affected
by Jim Crow and segregation and all those different things.
But I watched my grandmother still in all of that,
teach us to love. My father was a social justice
advocate for the fire department and he fought so black
men could get in position, and my uncle was the
first black fire chief of Orlando, Florida as a result

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of it. And what that uses it allows me to
use that to say is that change comes.

Speaker 8 (24:09):
It may take a long time, but it comes.

Speaker 7 (24:12):
And instead of going backwards, let's move forward and not
repeat history, but make history by teaching your children the
right way. And I teach my children to respect and
love all mankind and not just love black children, love
white children. Asian Shooter Hispanic children. They are yellow, black
and white. They're precious in his side.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Good so good.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
You know.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
I think about your analogy of the bridge, and there
are people who just refuse to go over the bridge.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
They want to.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Stay where they are, even though the other side may
have more love opportunity, they're afraid to cross the bridge.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
And then I was saying about in.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Their swinging bridges and covered bridges and bridges over traffic,
bridges over rivers. But the key is step on the
bridge and walk to the other side to make the connections.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Just applaud what you're doing. I think it is awesome and.

Speaker 7 (25:03):
It's funny you would say that that we and Salmon
brought everybody to the Alabama Bridge, to the bridge builders
and white black, and everybody walked across that bridge, stood
on the bridge and polls, ask forgiveness for our forefathers,
ask forgiveness for actions of the past, and about it.

Speaker 8 (25:19):
We're moving forward. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Feutiful for many of them, and they did it.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
And then it's not about us.

Speaker 6 (25:24):
We're used to make that different.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Exactly, what about just even like inviting people over us. Yeah,
in your neighborhood that looked different than you. I mean
you think about we could really change the world if
we paid attention to this right.

Speaker 7 (25:38):
And it's all about intentionality. And it starts with you,
like you said, in your neighborhood, in your circle, there's
somebody does not look like you, did not come from
where you came from, and you can sit down and
eat with them and get to note them and get
an understanding of their life and build a relationship.

Speaker 8 (25:56):
It starts with a conversation.

Speaker 7 (25:58):
The woman at the well had a conversation with Jesus
and to change your life.

Speaker 9 (26:03):
Have you noticed that within your church body, that they
are interacting with each other among the different cultures, ethnics, yes,
and different things.

Speaker 7 (26:12):
Yes, And it is very intentionally. I mean we fellowship
outside of church. They built relationships where they go over
to one another's homes and they experienced life together. And
it all started because I said, this is a church
of love and I won't accept anything else. I will
actually ask you to leave if you bring anything else
up in here but the love of Christ.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Well, we are out, and Tom, it's been such an
interesting conversation. I hope you have been encouraged by it.
I hope you've been blessed by it. But I want
you to remember that God sent Jesus, of course, as
the ultimate bridge builder. Through his death and resurrection, Jesus
made a way for us to have eternal life. Some
people say that he reached his holy hand up to
God and joined the sinful hand of man together by

(26:55):
his sacrifice on the cross. That's what he did for you.
And if you prayed that prayer, what he did at Calvary,
and he shed his blood for our sins, that's why
you can be forgiven, and that's why you can be
joined to a holy God. Bible talks about how the
veil was rent from the top to the bottom. No
more did we have to go through a priest, but
we could go directly to the Lord ourselves. And you

(27:15):
can do that today. Well, if you need prayer today,
there's a prayer line number on the screen with all
those wonderful prayer partners Dorothy's talking about, and you can,
of course, if you prayed that prayer. I'd love to
send you the Book of John. It's the Gospel of
John from the Bible. It's a great place to start.
And that's just our free gift to you. But I
do want to thank Bishop Kelvin Cobaris for joining us today.

(27:36):
For more, you can visit him online at Facebook dot
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(27:58):
for being here. Thank you, ladies, this was great fun conversation.
And I'll tell you what heaven is going to be diverse, okay,
I mean everybody is going to be every kind of
color in Creed and but the one thing we have
in common is the Cross. We all met at the Cross,
and because of what Jesus did, we will see each
other up there for sure. Well, we'll see you next time.

(28:20):
God bless you. Continue to call if you need prayer.
We love you. By backwards today, are we actually in
a recession economic passimism? It is still very much there.

Speaker 9 (28:36):
Supreme Court decided to overturn the bulls and.

Speaker 11 (28:39):
This landmark rule and making same sex needle cities in
America on edge as violence erupts among protesters, latest sign
that we may be headed.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
For a recession for racial justice.

Speaker 11 (28:49):
Continue the fight against climate change, unleashing a Twitter.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Variety, they are full of light. Well, you know, it's
hard to stay hopeful when there's so much bad news,
from global instability to natural disasters. But today's guest sheds
light on how these events may carry a profound prophetic message,

(29:14):
inspiring the church to rise with boldness in this critical hour.
But before we get to that, join me around the table.
As April Simons, who's ready to rise to the challenge,
sounded like Marcus lam I am. I'm ready, and I'm
ready for this. I love being informed, Yes for sure.
Dorothy Newton, how are you doing so good?

Speaker 6 (29:35):
You can't never get enough information? I mean I learned
so much from here, you know. I don't watch the
news often, I must say, but when I come here,
I'm always updated, and I'm so glad because then it's factual.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
You know.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
That's what's neat about the Bible is that it is prophetic,
and God will speak to his prophets. I mean before
anybody else a lot of times about what's going to happen.

Speaker 12 (29:56):
And I do watch the news because I want to
say up to date what's going on. But it's even
more fun to get to hear prophetic voices. Can you
give their insight and break down of current events? And
that's what we're gonna do today at the table, for.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Sure, for sure. Rebecca lamb Weiss, how are you? I'm
always happy to be here. Yeah, and are you excited
about our guests?

Speaker 8 (30:16):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, he's great. He is great. Cindy Murdoch, Hey are
you doing?

Speaker 9 (30:20):
I'm doing really good? And I kind of diddo with
Rachel there, Yeah, did I do? I love watching the news, learning,
being aware and then when you see the Bible prophetic
word come, that just confirm absolutely what's going on.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
You s don't need to watch in these twenty four.

Speaker 9 (30:37):
No, no, no, never ever, only enough because you know what
keeps going over my spirit, Jesus has come. People, get ready,
we'll be going home.

Speaker 7 (30:45):
Well.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
You know he is a powerful prophetic voice who we
are always glad to welcome back to the table. Please
welcome my dear friend Joseph ze Hello, Hello, Hello, the
be with you all.

Speaker 13 (31:01):
Welcome to Thanks, this is great.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
IV me Joseph. You know, just as the sons of
Issachar discerned the times and seasons. Joseph C joins us
today to reveal God's heart for the season ahead and
explain why prayer is our greatest weapon in these challenging times.
I want to get to a lot of these quickly,
but also wanted you to kind of explain to our
audience what is a prophet in being used prophetically And

(31:29):
I know a lot of times that term is used loosely.
Just to give us a little definition of that so
people can understand.

Speaker 14 (31:34):
Well very quickly. We know that prophecies available for every believer.
They can grow in it. First Corinthians fourteen. A prophet
is a responsibility with that gift to a segment of
the body of Christ.

Speaker 13 (31:45):
First Corinthians, chapter nine.

Speaker 14 (31:47):
It talks about paulse that I was not an apostle
to others, but I am to you. Meaning there's territorial assignments,
there's jurisdiction, and prophets are called the equip and edified
the body with that prophetic gift.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
And I know my dear friend who has graduated heaven,
John Paul Jackson. I know you admired him, but you
talked about that for those who who operating in the
office of a prophet. There's usually a real pruning and
reforming the high before God really uses them. It's true,
and you went through that, right.

Speaker 13 (32:19):
I certainly did, Joni.

Speaker 14 (32:20):
I went through years of it, and I don't even
know how to describe it, but I guess God calls
prophets and he really takes them through a process to
refine them so their voice can be trusted and honestly,
so the Lord can trust you. He searches to find
faithful people. The eyes of the Lord go to and fro.
He's looking for faithful people, and you've got to be
busy when he finds you.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yes, so you have a few battle scars over there, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 13 (32:43):
Yeah, all right, scars, knife fights.

Speaker 8 (32:46):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Well, you know, we just kind of want to jump
in and go go through all of these things that
the Lord was showing you even before they happened. But
I know that you talked about the first and second
quarter of twenty twenty five, right, really important? Why was
it that the Lord showed you well.

Speaker 14 (33:04):
At the beginning or the end of last year. I
had a strong impression that twenty five would be a
year of fire. We were prophesying that. Of course, we
saw the fires break out in California from there.

Speaker 13 (33:14):
I believe this.

Speaker 14 (33:15):
I believe that the enemy wants to induce some kind
of dirty nuclear bombs, something that would take place in
the US riots, fires, more issues, economic turmoil. But the
Lord showed me if we can get through quarter one
and quarter two without a major event taking us down.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
January through July, that's correct. Yeah, if we can get
to July.

Speaker 13 (33:33):
If we can get to.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
July, that's the month I was born in.

Speaker 13 (33:36):
Come on, come on, there's a word in that for you.

Speaker 8 (33:38):
Jonah.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, that's right. Well, and so this is a thing
like you have to understand that the Lord doesn't reveal
these things through the prophets to make us a pray.
It would be fearful he shows to these things so
that we can pray.

Speaker 13 (33:53):
You can pray.

Speaker 14 (33:54):
Imagine that Jesus said in Matthew twenty four, around verse
twenty he said, you know, pray that these things don't
happen on a sabbath or in the winter season.

Speaker 13 (34:03):
Pray.

Speaker 14 (34:03):
In other words, you can alter the narrative, not the prophecy,
not the word of God, but you can pray and
alter things.

Speaker 12 (34:09):
Do you think that there's going to be an economic
crisis because of the tariffs or what do you think
is going to contribute and what does that look like.

Speaker 14 (34:15):
I think Blackrock is going to contribute to it. I
think people like that that have been in control now
they're dominance.

Speaker 13 (34:21):
Black is well, they.

Speaker 14 (34:22):
Control basically every financial aspect, like what is it one
third of the world economy is run by Blackrock something
like that, And because of that, they have this grip,
this stranglehold on the world and there's only a few.
They run the media, they run economics, they run all
this stuff. Now you see Trump coming in, He's letting
Elon off the leash to go do what he's got

(34:43):
to do with Doge. You see this happening, and the
Spiritlard began to show me in advance that they're going
to try to crash the market. You know, when Kamala
was going to get in, they kept the study they
were going to say they were going to lower the
interest rates, and when Trump gets in, they kept them
high and they're keeping them there. The bottom line is,
I believe they're going to induce a stock market crash
if they can. And when that happens, they're going to
blame it on the tariffs. They're going to say, look

(35:04):
what you've voted for. This is where we're going.

Speaker 13 (35:06):
Now there's riots happening.

Speaker 14 (35:07):
One of the things I'm praying against is that when
we see these illegal migrants and things that are happening,
I'm believing that we will not see an act of
violence induced against them, that they can cause more riots
to break out as they're protesting and things are happening,
so we don't see the blame shifted with that, and
then it turns into chaos.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
So how do people pray? Just give us an example
of that.

Speaker 14 (35:30):
Well, we need to pray Sol ninety one. We need
to begin to pray against these nefarious powers that be.
And the Lord spoke to me clearly about quarter one
quarter two. The church is the deterrent of nuclear issues.
The church is the deterrent of economic complete collapse. The
church is the deterrent. We are the deterrent, and as
we use our authority from the Word of God, we
can stop a lot of this.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
And you have to understand too, that the enemy will
try to distract you, yes from this bigger picture. True,
and it's really important that the church come together and
that we in a way that we've never done before.
It's the hour is so important because we do have
a window to preach the gospel. Come on, and I
know the Lord. I mean months ago he I mean,

(36:12):
I was praying one morning and I actually hurt his
hands clap and say, I need you to look up here.
Come on, I need you to listen to what I'm
telling you to do and pay attention. So we're just
I mean, we're going to do everything we can to
get the Gospel around the world to every living creature.
And I mean, because that's the most important decision you
can make today is just have you asked Jesus to

(36:34):
come in your heart? That is the most important prayer
that you can pray. So I hope you do that
before the program's over today. Well, a few years ago,
Joseph Z received a powerful prophetic vision that he sees
God is going to unleash in the upcoming season. And
it's already started happening. So let's watch. This is like
from a year ago, I began.

Speaker 14 (36:55):
To see smoke in different places. I began to see
ten different cities simultaneously.

Speaker 15 (37:01):
Strong winds and bone dry conditions in southern California. I
helped fuel the flames of two new wildfires.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
New wildfires have erupted in southern California.

Speaker 15 (37:11):
Both the Palisades and Eaten Fires made their marks at
some of the most devastating fires in California history. Emergency
officials have also faced a nightmare situation with fire hydrants
running out of water.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Why is there no water in the hydrants? It's all
literally Is it gonna be different next time?

Speaker 8 (37:32):
It has to be.

Speaker 16 (37:33):
There's a decapitalist that's happening. This decapitalist ten Decca, the
Decca scenario, ten cities smoking at once, and the lord says,
when de capitalist comes, When the ten comes, the Lord
says five or foolish, five are not and five a
foil in the lapse, and five do not.

Speaker 8 (37:49):
But I will raise you.

Speaker 16 (37:51):
Up as a light in Goshan in the middle of
this ten Decca de capitalists. Gaushan will be present, Gaushan
will shine as the ten.

Speaker 8 (38:00):
So did Ghoshen shine with light in the middle of
a darkness play?

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Could you have ever imagined that we would see that
tragedy in California, not the.

Speaker 13 (38:12):
Way that it happened.

Speaker 14 (38:13):
You know, there was a sign when they started removing
all the insurance in the state, especially regarding fire.

Speaker 8 (38:18):
But that was a.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Sign there is a hidden agenda that people just don't
see in realize. Talk a little bit about who are
the players in that well.

Speaker 13 (38:25):
It starts with a number of characters.

Speaker 8 (38:27):
You got.

Speaker 14 (38:27):
You've all Noah Harari, who says, you know, we will
put this technology under your skin. Your freedom's are Ovah, Right,
he's a little emaciated guy, needs to get saved.

Speaker 13 (38:36):
And then you've got what is his name?

Speaker 14 (38:38):
You got the main guy from the World Economic Forum,
Klaus Schwab.

Speaker 13 (38:41):
Right, he's like, you will own nothing and you will
love it.

Speaker 8 (38:44):
You're going to eat Boges.

Speaker 13 (38:45):
You're going to do what I tell you to.

Speaker 8 (38:46):
Do this year.

Speaker 14 (38:47):
He's a perfect Bond villain. But you see these kind
of characters. Or Bill Gates, who's just really got all this,
you know, devoid of wisdom. Right, he's running around and
he's trying to mechanize another vaccine for everybody and all
of it. And I love the way you've stood against
this stuff, Jony, But Bill Gates and all these type
of players, they're all in league together. Trump comes along.
He's been a wrecking ball before he is now. And

(39:09):
I'm not saying he's the end all answer here. I'm
just saying God is trying to do something because the
righteous have cried out. And I believe when you see
RFK standing up the way he is, I believe seeing
the power taken away from the who, even the un
and some of these things, we're going to get our
autonomy back and we have a real chance of right
sizing this whole picture. But the power players, they don't

(39:31):
want to go out quietly. They're going to fight hard.

Speaker 9 (39:33):
And don't you think it's hard for people to believe
there could be so much evil, so much deceived.

Speaker 13 (39:38):
That's right and.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
It really is.

Speaker 13 (39:40):
Yes, Cindy, that's true.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
And we really have to pray. I mean that's the
word for those of you that are watching, that your
little prayer warriors so important what you do, intercessors, really
pray about while we're talking about today, because I think
the church has got to do. Let's talk about some
of the things that you mentioned that kind of standout.
Cyber warfare.

Speaker 14 (40:00):
Yes, there's cyber warfare that's going to happen that I
believe is really has China behind a lot of that
China's inducing that. Remember when the balloons it's over the
country are doing figure eights over our military basis. And
then we've seen all these drones coming out and they're saying, no,
these are local, and they could be, but I believe
much of that is involved with China. Also, they have
technology they can launch them from the ocean. I've looked

(40:21):
into all this stuff. I want to say one thing
very quickly. It's this Luke thirteen. In Luke thirteen, people
always ask the question, is God judging this nation?

Speaker 13 (40:30):
Is God doing this? Is this God's doing?

Speaker 8 (40:32):
Well?

Speaker 14 (40:32):
The answer is found in one example Luke thirteen with
the Tower of Soloam. In the Tower Saloam, they asked Jesus,
did all these sinners get killed because they were worse
than everybody else? And Jesus said no, there was eighteen
people that died in this major catastrophe. Jesus said no,
unless you all repent, you will all likewise perish. Meaning
bad things happen in society. That is not always the

(40:55):
will of God. It's not always just things happening by
some spiritual force. Some times the powers that be are
in places that induce evil. You know, I don't think
God called the World Trade Center to fall or any
of those things. When we see these things, we need
to know we are called to be the answer. We're
light in darkness and the world is going to get
darker and darker. But we're here, the Church of Jesus

(41:17):
Christ to stand up again.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Well in the law of reciprocity, talk a little bit
about that, because we open doors by what we sow
and what you've seen taken place in some of these states, etc.

Speaker 8 (41:28):
Oh.

Speaker 13 (41:28):
Yeah, it depends on who's in charge.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
You know.

Speaker 14 (41:30):
It says in Proverbs that when the righteous rule, the
people rejoice. When the wicked are in power, the people grown.
And so you're seeing different places have different rules, different
open doors. As you're talking about, they let things happen
in the land, and because of that, we're seeing different
states impacted differently. Sometimes though, we're seeing more unleashing of
evil upon good states than we are the bad because

(41:53):
they want to stomp out good believers. In other words,
North Carolina, for example, the Lord showed me eight days
before that there would be a surge happened in that area.
I circled that state on the whiteboard. I was praying,
and then I thought it was going to be something
to do with like a bomb or nuclear activity, but
it was a hurricane and it did devastating things there.
But I believe that was weaponized because when you look

(42:15):
into some of this, I know this might sound crazy,
I really believe they use weather as a weapon. And
you can see that with things like harp you see
it with cloud seeding, you see it with all these
things that have been public knowledge for decades.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
And you look at how the government didn't show up,
especially with the North Carolina. What a Travis, because I
know we send a lot of help in there to
try to help, and even send helicopters in to rescue people,
but they were all saying the same thing, no one
is coming.

Speaker 13 (42:40):
Right, it's crazy.

Speaker 14 (42:41):
Let's send all of our money to Ukraine or other places,
but let's not send it to our own people. But
that's changing now and it's happening, and I just really
appreciate the fact that this network reaches out and it
helps people. The way you do and the way you
guys stand with Israel, it is profound.

Speaker 12 (42:56):
So another big hot button topic that people are talking
about that you've shared a lot about is UFOs. What
do you see happening in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 14 (43:04):
Regarding that twenty twenty five or beyond, I believe they're
going to do what I call ultimate disclosure. I think
they're going to try to normalize UFO and alien life.
There's a great deception in that because eventually they're going
to lead to only one narrative.

Speaker 13 (43:16):
They put us here. There is no God.

Speaker 14 (43:18):
These creatures put us here, and because of that, they
want to absolutely cause us to fall in with that
and call them our God.

Speaker 13 (43:25):
All those things. But there's only three things. I believe
it is one technology we don't understand. It's all over
the air. I believe that's government or corporations.

Speaker 14 (43:33):
Secondly, Project Bluebeam, where they're blasting stuff in the sky
and pretending like the Spider Man movie or number three,
it's real. You got real demonic stuff flying.

Speaker 8 (43:42):
Around up there.

Speaker 12 (43:42):
So you believe in aliens.

Speaker 14 (43:44):
I believe in demonic activity. I believe in fallen angels.
I think that no matter what it is angels, little
green guys, lizard people, whatever it is that shows up,
the harry sasquatch, whatever it is that shows up, Jesus
Christ in Us is greater than that evil and we
can overcome it.

Speaker 12 (44:00):
You talk about Mark Zuckerberg and free speech, collaborate on that.

Speaker 13 (44:05):
Yes, ma'am Rebecca.

Speaker 14 (44:07):
It's been so fun doing your podcast, by the way,
so thank you Mark Zuckerberg. What happened with him is
something that the Lord showed me a few years back.
I think it was in twenty twenty one. I was
writing on the whiteboard prophet saying, I saw Elon by Twitter,
and I put Elon musk somebody's going to do this
freedom tech thing, and freedom tech would put pressure on
all the other platforms. Now we're seeing that happen, and

(44:28):
I even mentioned Mark Zuckerberg would be one of the
guys that would fall in line and say, gee, freedom
of speech is cool again. Maybe you know the tutalitarian
idea and fascism isn't. So we're going to go ahead
and see freedom of speech come back. I believe that
started with the prophetic word that the Lord showed me
when Elon stepped in, that it would lead to a
pressure to make freedom of speech normalized.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Okay, well, you know the tech world is shifting with
changes in social media, and unexpected alliance is emerging. And
before Joseus, he joins us at the board. Yes, we're
sending him to the Let's take another look at the
prophetic word God gave him in twenty twenty one about
freedom tech, so we can see how it's unfolding today.

Speaker 13 (45:09):
I began to see a new freedom technology.

Speaker 14 (45:12):
Okay, Now, I don't know who's going to bring this forward,
but it could be the former president. He might actually
do something like that. I think that would be more
powerful than him even going back in right now, a
freedom tech one way or another. Now, will it come
through the president?

Speaker 8 (45:26):
Maybe?

Speaker 13 (45:27):
Will it come through Elon and Don Junior and all
these people?

Speaker 14 (45:32):
This freedom technology that could come forward, I believe there's
going to be a fresh social media voice of a voice.

Speaker 13 (45:41):
Of freedom. In other words, we could be able to speak.

Speaker 14 (45:43):
Freely again on an open platform for the public, and
it can't be shut down, censored, or silenced the way
that they would like it to be. This indeed gives
hope because this man here, he's a rebel. He's a
little bit of a rebel. I'm not saying that he's godly.
I'm not saying that everything he does is going to
be right. There could be a lot of wrong, a

(46:04):
lot of unrighteousness. Happening, but at least he's not going
with the narrative of the popular opinion of things. Elon
Musk may may not be perfect and may not preach
the gospel and do things the way people are thinking,
but listen to me, make no mistake about it. He
is a reformer and God will continue to speak through
him and offend the institutions just because of what he

(46:24):
has going on in him.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
On Monday, Twitter's board of directors.

Speaker 11 (46:27):
Announced it had agreed to sell the social media company
to Elon Musk.

Speaker 7 (46:32):
There have been some seismic changes in the tech world
today that could have far reaching consequences for all of us,
involving some of the key plays in Silicon Valley.

Speaker 11 (46:40):
Hey everyone, I want to talk about something important today
because it's time to get back to our roots around
free expression. On Facebook and Instagram, there's been widespread debate
about potential harms from online content. Governments and legacy media
have pushed to censor more and more. We're going to
work with President Trump to push back on government around
the world. They're going after American companies and pushing to

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censor more.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Well, you know, one of our favorite things to do
when we have Joseph z Is to send him to
the board, the magic board, to tell us what God
is showing him. And you know, I think that was
an important point in understanding that God can use anybody
he wants to use at anytime he wants to use it.

Speaker 13 (47:20):
Yeah, that's right. It's very important.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
You know.

Speaker 14 (47:23):
I believe that the world is shaking, and there's going
to be a lot of shaking that happens. But God
really wants to speak to us to be forewarn us
before armed. We know it's coming, so we can pray.
It's very important.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
All right, Well just take it away. We want to learn.

Speaker 14 (47:38):
Okay, Johnny, I'm going to go here and just here's
what I've seen. So I'm going to draw this the
best I can. And you know, when we're doing this,
pray for us, because you know, we work.

Speaker 13 (47:45):
We know in part, we prophesy in part. But we're
trying to help you. So you can pray.

Speaker 14 (47:49):
And I want to say one thing that everybody's watching
right now here on table talk. First of all, God
doesn't show these things to us to put us in
fear or shaking.

Speaker 13 (47:57):
You need to rise to meet these things with faith. Okay.

Speaker 14 (48:00):
So this is why we do it, and I promise
you there's hope at the end of this. But let
me show you some things. They're a little negative.

Speaker 13 (48:06):
But let me go into this.

Speaker 14 (48:07):
First of all, I want to say, over the years,
I've had this vision where I've seen this type of
picture over and over again where the USA other nations
are involved. I've seen it go down at thirty sixty
to one hundredfold in a time of darkness. Okay, it's
been difficult. Then I see us coming back at thirty
sixty and one hundredfold back and I see the new America.

Speaker 13 (48:31):
That's the word I keep seeing over the future.

Speaker 14 (48:34):
Now, there's so much we can talk about with it,
but I really want to just kind of get to
what I've seen recently. As I was praying, I some
time ago saw this storm on the land, this very
difficult storm.

Speaker 13 (48:45):
All of that.

Speaker 14 (48:46):
I was praying because people keep asking me, they keep asking, so,
where are we are? We have sixty to one hundred fold,
where are we in this time of difficulty as we
cascade into darkness?

Speaker 13 (48:54):
Where's it at?

Speaker 14 (48:55):
So one of the things I've seen recently is I
was praying for a number of reasons, I saw this
word on money, that this time would be a time
where money would begin to shake. Money, economy, all of
this would begin to shake. And the powers of darkness,
people that are in high offices, places where they can
make decisions, they don't want to be unseated by the

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new form of authority that's coming in meeting the new
administration in the United States. They want to cause a
crash to take place with the economic setting that's happening
in our land. And because of that, they're going to
do a variety of things. First of all, they're going
to blame it on tariffs if they can pull this off.
Now again, all of this, we are the absolute deterrent

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to this. Through prayer, we can stand against these things.
But I believe tariffs will be.

Speaker 13 (49:43):
One of the things that they blame on all of this.
Oh look what he did. The tariffs are happening.

Speaker 14 (49:48):
Then I believe they're going to try to induce riots,
and I think this will come before middle during whatever
they can pull off through this process. And then I
believe you get to remember, all of this is going
to be the ultimate f false flag event. And you say,
why is it a false flag event? Well, because these
powers that be are going to do everything they can.
One sign we're already seeing is that when you saw

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that Kamala might get in, they were going to lower
interest rates for her. They're going to keep them very
low and keep things rolling. All of a sudden, she
doesn't win, and they raised the interest rates. And we
see that happening in this place. So as we're walking
through this whole process, and we're recognizing that, we see
this momentum happening and things are taking place. I call
this a money quake. I believe this is the big

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thing they want to bring forward. But there is hope
at the end of it. And when I'm looking at
all of it, I believe God is saying, remember, when
this happens, keep your eyes on him, because they want
to induce a chicken little spirit. And you say, what
are you talking about? Chicken little is where they said
the sky is falling, The sky is falling. All of
it's terrible, and they want to blame this new administration.

Speaker 13 (50:58):
They want to blame it.

Speaker 14 (50:59):
But I'm here to say, if we begin to lean
into this with great capacity, we will come to the
other side. And ultimately, what I believe the Lord wants
to do is he wants to bring us to a
place where we get through it real quick. In the
middle of it, they want to induce the capitalists also
what is to capitalist While you heard the word earlier
deca meaning ten ten cities burning. They want to try

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to bring this into this picture. All of this is
tied together. But I believe as the intercessors pray, there's
nothing more powerful than a grandma praying. There's nothing more
powerful than that. I'm telling you, they will take the
devil to the woodshed. Okay, But when we're looking at
this whole picture, here's what this spirit the Lord showed me.
If we can get through this, if we can go
through this next four years of redemptive instability, we're going

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to come to a time twenty twenty eight and beyond
where I see the Lord making an opportunity to solve.

Speaker 13 (51:49):
The national.

Speaker 8 (51:51):
Debt.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Wow.

Speaker 13 (51:53):
Now that's quite a statement, I know. But the Lord
is saying there's a way it's going to be creative.

Speaker 14 (51:58):
I don't know if this involves crypto or what's going
on here, but something is happening where the spirit of
the Lord is saying, God wants to make it so
America does not burn in all the death that it owes.
And right now there's a supernatural momentum on people that
will cause them to get revelation break through this. And
what we've got to do is keep striking and see
the spirit of God bring strength and victory through this.

Speaker 13 (52:19):
And this is our job right now.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
What about flu pandemic? Are they going to do all
of it? Is that going to come back up as
we I.

Speaker 14 (52:25):
Think the flu is going to be a major thing.
As we're talking about with fog, we see that. I
believe the alien narrative is going to continue to rise
up more and more as we were talking about earlier.
Anything they can bring about to bring about fear and distraction.
A word I have for our audience all the time,
especially for the day Star audience today is this when
you see the big news, pay attention to the small news.

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A lot of this stuff is false flags, the crashes,
the things that are happening some time ago. You recognize
all of that can be a false flag, and they're
doing something else under the veil, And so we've got
to keep discerning and keep watching.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Can you explain what a false flag is?

Speaker 14 (53:00):
A false flag is when something's happening but it was
on purpose. So they do it on purpose to make
the news, and everybody look at that while they're pulling
something else off over here.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
What are the big things that we should be looking at.

Speaker 14 (53:12):
When we're looking at this. We need to pay attention
to the economic talks that are happening with World Economic Form.
What are they really going to do? We need to
begin to look at all these areas where people are
operating in powers that once we're shaking the earth, and
we need to see what their next steps are. If
we pull back from the who, if we pull back
from the economic form, if we pull back from this
Paris climate accord stuff, and we begin to get autonomous

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and we truly drill for oil, we're going to start
to see this unfold.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
All right. See all the ladies in the table are climbing.
Come on back over, Joseph.

Speaker 13 (53:42):
Okay, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
So what you're saying is that you know, you can't
just do a one to eighty turn. It's a slow
turn it and so a slow turn would mean the
first six seven months. Yes, we're trying to fix some
things that are broken.

Speaker 14 (54:00):
It took us a while to get here. Yeah, it's
going to take a little while to get out of this.
But this is where intercession, this program and so many
things keep your hope there. When you see difficulty, and
if we see a true economic thing where they start
pulling the plugs and the economy starts going down, get
in faith because I see a roar coming back at
the end of that. If we don't lose hope and
we stand through it.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Yes, I love that. Now, Joseph, we just have a
minute or two life. Would you just take a moment
for those watching. Yes that if tomorrow you were to die,
you wouldn't know where you go or end up. And
the Lord wants to make sure that you're ready to
meet him. Talk just a quick second and lead him
in a prayer.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Wa.

Speaker 14 (54:37):
I want to introduce you to my friend Jesus. Jesus
is Lord.

Speaker 13 (54:40):
He loves you. There's not a thing you can do
about it. You might as well stop running. Give your
life to him.

Speaker 14 (54:45):
God is not mad at you. He's not coming after you.
If God wanted to get you, he'd have got you
by now. Here's the bottom line. Give your life to him.
We're not offering you the plague. Give your life to Jesus.

Speaker 13 (54:55):
He wants to know you.

Speaker 14 (54:56):
You simply repent to your sins. You repent to your
way of doing things. Give your life to him. Jesus,
save me, rescue me. I give you my life and
He'll rescue you. He'll save you, and I'm telling you
the greatest days of your life he has in store
for you.

Speaker 8 (55:11):
Right away.

Speaker 13 (55:11):
God bless you receive him today.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
All right, Just that simple, just to say Jesus, just
call out on his name, say I need you forgive me.
Come into my heart and be lord of my life.
I've tried everything else. I'm going to give you a shot.
That's right, and it will change your life forever. Well,
we are out of time, but I want you to
remember that God has not given us a spirit of fear.
The Bible said, He's given us not a spirit of fear,

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but of power and of love and a sound mind.

Speaker 8 (55:39):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
No matter what's happening around us, we can stand firm
and his promises, trusting that He will guide us, He'll
protect us and sustain us every step of the way.
If you're watching the day and you need prayer, maybe
you're in a crisis, maybe you're hurting, maybe you're sick.
In your body. That's why that number is on the screen.
We would love to pray for you and encourage you today.
We have prayer partners are standing by. If you pray

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that prayer. I'd love to send you the Book of John.
It's a great place to start in the Bible. You're
sixty six books. This is one of the books and
that's absolutely free. It's just our way of getting you
started on this journey. Well, I want to thank Joseph
Z again for joining us today. For more, you can
visit him online at Joseph z dot com and is
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Speaker 13 (56:40):
It's a privilege to you with you, ladies.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Thank you, I will well, we thank you for being here.
Did jall enjoy us? Okay? So good? Well, continue to
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