JONI TABLE TALK, MAY 25TH, 2025

SEGMENT 1: Larry Huch shares his incredible journey from addiction to redemption, from his new book, From Junkie to Jerusalem: A Journey to Destiny.
SEGMENT 2: Dr. Anthony Levatino - Heartbeat of Hope","description":"Dr. Anthony Levatino shares his powerful journey from being a former abortionist to becoming one of the leading voices in the pro-life movement.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, you know, God is in the business of turning
lives around, and no one is too far gone and
no situation is too hopeless for his reach. And today's
guest is here to remind us of this and share
his incredible story from his new book, From Junkie to Jerusalem.
That's right, From Junkie to Jerusalem, a Journey of thassity.
But before we get to that journal, around the table

(00:45):
is April. I like that title. I do too. That's
a that's a keeper right there. And God can use anybody.
I love what you said.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
There's hope for everybody because God only uses imperfect.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
You because you're and you call yourself a hope giver,
hope dealers what I like to dealer. I love that
whole dealer, Georgy. Now I'm doing so good, Joni. This
is a testimony you know, God's It's just it just
shows you God's grace, his redeeming love and mercy. It's

(01:16):
just oh, I love it. It's just yeah, it's gonna
be so good. Rachel Lamb Brown. We love testimonies around here,
yes you do.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
And there's nothing more powerful than a transform life. And
this one is just so dramatic. You would never even know.
When you see this person today speak and share.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
People are going to be surprised. Yeah it, Yes, we.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Never know what they've gone through.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Rebecca lamb Weiss. Maybe the greatest miracle is a transformed life,
someone to go from a junkie to an incredible leader
in the body of Christ.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
I know, and that verse and Ezekiel comes to mind
where God prophesies through Ezekiel that he will take out
the stony heart and put in a heart of flesh.
And that's what he does, that miracle and every single
one of us that says yes to salvation.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, a change life and that you know, if you
don't know Jesus today, that's for you. That's why you
need to say right there, especially those of you that
have been dealing with addiction. You know you have a
family member that's dealing with any kind of addiction. I
want you to just stay tune because you're going to
hear incredible story. Cindy Johnson. We love testimonies, Yes we do.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
We are all living testimonies and hearing details that we'll
here today.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
There will be people that will be touched greatly. Yeah,
and we're talking about none other than our dear friend,
Pastor Larry Hucky.

Speaker 6 (02:33):
I'm out numbered.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
You are well from battling anger and addiction to discovering
his purpose in Israel, Larry Huck's story is one of
miraculous redemption. He's here to share his life changing encounter
with God, reminding us that no one is ever too
far beyond his mercy. Your new book. I was in
Florida at Strain Communication. Oh yeah, and this was out.

(02:57):
It just come out, and I said, way, this.

Speaker 6 (03:00):
Is my friend, yes ma'am, yes, yes, ma'am. Longtime friends,
long time.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
A journey of this destiny. And so take us back
to the beginning, if you would and tell a little
bit of your story, because its going to encourage people watching.
That is because some people are even somebody watching right now.
It's like, you don't know what all I've done. There's
no way God could love me or forget me. That's
what the enemy says. That's a lie.

Speaker 6 (03:20):
Is that's a lie.

Speaker 7 (03:21):
Absolutely. You know the reason I wrote this. I had
so many people write at the same time, contacting me
and saying you ought to do something on your story,
and I started thinking about it, and that very thing, Jony,
that you're saying is is that the enemy comes in
and says God would never forgive you. God doesn't even care.

(03:44):
Look at who you are, look what you did. And
I wrote it number one to say God is no
respect for a person's you know when I when I
because and I were pastoring our first church. We were
in a little little liquor store that was closed down
in Santa Fe, New Mexico.

Speaker 6 (04:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (04:03):
Yeah, we started in that liquor store ex liquor store,
and we saw six thousand teenagers saved in three years.
And we outgrew it and we bought a strip tease
joint that was closed down. Had a great stage. We
had to take the polls down, but it had a
great stage, and we were reaching, you know, just people
on the streets because I know where that's from. And

(04:26):
when we first started the church, there was a guy
that would sit in the back and he would look
at me. It was it was a little bitty building,
and when I start to teach, he'd get up and
give me a dirty look and walk out the door.
And so one day I told him, I take this
and I'm gonna grab it. I grabbed him, I went
out and I said, sir, sir. And he turned to
me and he said, you have no right preaching the gospel.

(04:46):
And he named things from my past that nobody knows
except me, the devil and God and and and he said,
if those people knew who you really were, And I
could hear him singing. He walked away and immediately came
to me. He said, God, if they knew where I
came from. And the Lord spoke to me, and he said,

(05:08):
don't you ever let anybody bring up your past that
my son paid for. Don't you ever let him. And
I remind people.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
As Satan's the accuser of the brethren, and so it
doesn't matter where you are.

Speaker 7 (05:23):
Jesus knows where you are, and he'll take you from
where I received the Lord. I had seven federal warrants
from my arrests for being a drug dealer.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
I grew up in a home that there was a
lot of abuse, a lot of abuse. Dad was very abusive.

Speaker 7 (05:38):
My dad was very angry man. Now he got saved.
Right before he passed away, he got saved. God gave
his life to the Lord.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
But he'll know the time that you were ten minutes
late for supper.

Speaker 7 (05:49):
You know, my dad had such an explosive anger. And
I think I was seven eight years old and I
was like ten minutes late for supper, about playing ball
in the street, and I walked in and I did
seem and he just cold cocked me, just knocked me down,
almost knocked me out, and then he kicked.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
Me all the way through the house.

Speaker 7 (06:07):
And my mom had been a nurse, and she came
in to check me. She came out and she was
getting the car keys, and he said, where are you going?

Speaker 6 (06:13):
She said, you broke his ribs. All his ribs are broken,
and I'm taking him to the hospital.

Speaker 7 (06:19):
And he said, no, you're not. I'm not spending one
penny on this kid. And that was just you know,
I remember I came home one time. I was pretty young,
and I can remember walking in.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
We lived in it. We lived in an eight.

Speaker 7 (06:33):
Hundred square foot home, and his back was to me
and he was on the phone and he was trying
to put me in an orphanage, trying to give me away,
and so it tainted me, you know, it tainted me,
and I.

Speaker 6 (06:45):
Just grew up angry. I grew up and so you violent.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
When did you get involved like in drugs and alcohol?

Speaker 7 (06:53):
You know, I started drinking when I was twelve or thirteen.
You know, we were inner city, we were the hood.
When I went away to college, I was fortunate enough
to go to college and play football. Uh, but I
always thought money's the key, Money's the key to happiness.
And so I started doing drugs in college. And then

(07:14):
I started selling drugs in college. And that's when some
friends of mine, we were we were dealing drugs, and
they said, hey, why don't we cut out the middleman.
You know, you're tough enough to go down the streets.
So I went down to Columbia, South America, and uh,
I started looking for a way to smuggle cocaine in

(07:37):
the United States, and I was. I hooked up with
Escobar right at the very very beginning. I lived in
a in a ranch up on top of the andes
of a little town called Mbigado, and that's where that's
where his his family cartel was. They had a They said,

(07:57):
you never use any cab, but our cab and of
the cap company was Austraia I think he pronounced in Spanish,
which means stars, which was the name of his cocaine.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
How soon after that did you come to know the lord?
Because I know at some point after that is when
you because you were searching all along, doing all kind
of crazy stuff.

Speaker 7 (08:15):
Yeah, I got into volve with trans meditation. You know,
it sounds crazy. With all that I was doing, I
knew I believe there was a God. I didn't think
about looking for him in church.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
I sold drugs my church.

Speaker 7 (08:30):
I sold drugs to people who went to church, and
you know good, yeah, not good? And and so and
I believe that God was supernatural, and so I looked
in transit meditation.

Speaker 6 (08:45):
I looked in all kinds of things.

Speaker 7 (08:46):
And back in those hippie days, you know, there was
a lot of books about cocaine being this link to
this hidden link to God, you know, the Andes Mountains
and all this.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
I know it sounds like it would open a door.
It wouldn't be the right door, right, I mean, and
it was.

Speaker 7 (09:03):
Cocaine is like Doug said, cocaine's very spiritual. Drugs are
very spiritual. They're just spiritual in a very negative way.
That's where we get from drugs. We get the word
in the Bible witchcraft.

Speaker 6 (09:14):
And so.

Speaker 7 (09:17):
I I you know, I've been playing football in college
and i'd actually one came third in the nation in
power weightlifting, and so I was been a big guy.

Speaker 6 (09:27):
I played.

Speaker 7 (09:27):
I was about two hundred and twelve pounds, and I
was doing so much cocaine that I went down to
about one hundred and thirty thirty five hundred forty five pounds.
And this one girl that was living with us, she said,
you're doing way too much drug. You're you're going to
kill yourself. And so they went into town and I said,

(09:47):
you know what I'm gonna I'm going to really find God.
And so I took the cocaine and I doubled what
I normally did and shot it up, and I was
so stoned I didn't realize I went through the vein,
and so I doubled it again, and then I doubled
it again and doubled again, and I hit the vein
and I immediately knew I was dying. I knew I would.

(10:09):
I mean, I fell for there was no one there.
I knew I was dying, and I cried out to God.
And I tell people, I said, you know what, you
can say you're agnostic, you can say you're atheist, but
the moment something happens, that whether it's to you or
your child or something that you have no contrution.

Speaker 6 (10:24):
God help me.

Speaker 7 (10:25):
And that's because God is such a wonderful God. He
puts that you can be a drug addict, you can
be a heroin addict, and it's in you to call
out to him because he's there to help us. He
loves us that much. And I cried out and I said, God,
don't let me die. Not about Hell. I didn't even
think about Hell. I said, don't let me die until
I find what happiness is. Because everything I tried, from

(10:49):
from drugs to sports, to money, money, to everything there was.
You know, it would be okay, it'd be oh, I'm
joining us for a while, and then it's empty. And
I said, don't let me And I can look back, guys,
before the Lord, I can look back at that moment,
and I can see the.

Speaker 6 (11:05):
Steps that God started.

Speaker 7 (11:07):
Doors, he started opening, doors started closing to push me,
and and it finally I finally got to the point
where I found out there were seven federal they arrested,
h that they arrested forty eight drug dealers in our
area as a college campuses area, and I was actually

(11:27):
picking up a shipment of drugs got to one of
my houses, and had been ransacked, and I thought somebody
was robbing me. So we went to another one of
our other houses and it had been ransacked. We found
out that the police hit all these homes at ten
minutes to midnight, and they missed us. And a friend
of mine's dad was a bail bondsman, and he told them,
he said, Larry's number two on the list.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
They're looking for him. And I didn't tell this. I did.

Speaker 7 (11:52):
I told this in the in the book. I have
a minute or two. I told this in the book.
So we said we got to get out of town.
We got to leave because there were he said, there's
seven federal warrants out and it's not a coincidence. There's
seven places Jesus shed his blood. And so we said,
let's go. So we packed up our Volkschwagen van, our
good hippie van, and we said, let's go to Arizona.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
You know, and hair oh yea had long hair and
earrings and.

Speaker 7 (12:19):
And so a friend of ours had just gotten a
shipment of very powerful who loosened to Jenny drugs, and
he lived about twenty miles out of town, and so
I stopped to see him on the way out. We
were doing drug deals and he said, man, I just
got this, and so I said, well, let's do something.

Speaker 6 (12:38):
And so I know my nickname was.

Speaker 7 (12:42):
OD, which is for overdose. If somebody took one hit,
I took three or four hits. And so I'm with
these two girls that were going out together, and one
of them was a Pentecostal backslider. She was raised in church.
She never told us, but she was raised in church.
Now she's backsliding, and she became a pastor's wife eventually.

(13:02):
And so we leave that place and I took this
really heavy hallucinogenic drug and I went I was really
on a bad trip for.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
Almost two days.

Speaker 7 (13:13):
And so we're in the Volkswagen vand we're driving and
she says to me, she says, what were you What
were you seeing? Because for almost two days I was
underneath the kitchen table and I was holding onto the
kitchen table legs and I'm screaming, don't leave me here, God,
don't leave me here. And she says, what were you seeing? Now,

(13:35):
I didn't know anything about Bible, nothing, and I said
it was so bizarre. I said, I'm standing on a
hill and I know and I can see God I'm
not looking, but I can see God out of the
corner of my eye, and him and I are looking
at me, and I said, it's a vast, burning desert
and I'm locked up in a black cube in that

(13:56):
burning desert and I and I'm saying, don't leave me here, please, God,
don't leave me here.

Speaker 6 (14:02):
And I'm looking.

Speaker 7 (14:03):
At me and God standing next to me, and I said,
why don't you help him?

Speaker 6 (14:09):
And he and I said, God.

Speaker 7 (14:11):
Spoke to me, and he said I wanted to, but
it's too late. He's lost forever. And I go, inn't
that bizarre? And she goes, I don't want to hear that,
you know, because I just thought it's just something stupid,
you know, what does that mean?

Speaker 1 (14:26):
And uh?

Speaker 7 (14:27):
And so we ended up out in flag Staph, Arizona,
and UH getting a little house, a little shack type
home in the red light district all the drug area
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Where the TV experience happens. What where're you turn on
the TV? Is this where this is?

Speaker 8 (14:43):
No?

Speaker 7 (14:43):
That was that was right like a couple of nights
before I left Cape Girado and we we started we
said we got to get out of town. I was,
I was, we had a farmhouse and uh lived out
in the woods, and I had several guys in there
that I was setting them up on a drug deal.
And I couldn't sleep, and I got up, like midnight

(15:04):
or something and turned on the television.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
There was only one channel, and it was a preacher.

Speaker 7 (15:08):
It was some Christian show and he's saying, Uh, you're
you're I know what you're looking for. You've been looking
and looking, and I know what you're looking for, and
what you're looking for.

Speaker 6 (15:20):
Who you're looking for.

Speaker 7 (15:21):
Is Jesus and I and I looked at it and got
you know, and I didn't know anything at all, And
I said, man, it just resonated. And the next day,
without a doubt, without a doubt, and God says, my
word will not come back void. And I know that seed.
I don't know if that was Joe Blow or Billy Graham.

(15:42):
I don't I wouldn't have known Billy Graham if he'd
walked up in. Yeah, Christ my heart. And then the
next day my aunt, who never gave up on me,
she just prayed. She's always I'm praying for you. I'm
praying for you. And they knew what I was. They
knew what I was, and that that next day in
the mail. You know, when I was like three and
four years old, my mom took us to church a

(16:03):
little bit.

Speaker 6 (16:04):
My dad said these kids aren't going to church anymore.

Speaker 7 (16:07):
And she sent me my childhood Bible and she said, Larry,
I was praying and the Lord told me, this is
your time to give your life to Jesus, right, And so,
you know, I mean, there's no way. And so I
went out there and I'm sitting on my porch and
I got long hair and earrings and needle marks up

(16:28):
and down my arms, and I'm smoking a joint on
my porch. And this little Mexican kid name was Bill
Trehio kept walking by, and he'd get the end of
the road and he'd turn around and come back, and
he'd look at me, and I'm thinking he's gonna come
he wants he's gonna come over and ask me if
I got something the dogs to sell. And he does
this four or five times, and finally he gets at
the end of the street and he takes a deep

(16:51):
breath and just comes straight at me, and I'd say, well,
he's gonna he wants to buy some drugs. And he said,
I've never done this before. But I couldn't leave until
I told you Jesus is who you're looking for. And
he had been a drug addict five days before that,
and the church was down on the streets witnessing which
we did every Friday and Saturday night, and brought him.

Speaker 6 (17:13):
And he was a real poverty drug add it.

Speaker 7 (17:16):
They take spray paint and spray it in a rag
and sniff the paint when you don't have any drugs.
And I was the first one he ever told about Jesus.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Is what Jesus had done for him?

Speaker 7 (17:27):
Yeah, because of what He's done for him, he kept
coming over. He ended up living next door to us
with his mom, and he kept coming over and we'd
see him come over and knocking the door. We'd hide
behind the curtains. They don't open the door, and he goes,
I know you're in there, and we'd finally let him
in and I, you know, I was separating pounds.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Of how old was this guy he was?

Speaker 7 (17:48):
Bill was probably at that time, he was probably twenty
four twenty five years old. He's a very simple guy,
you know, very simple guy. And he had a bad
accident not right after that. Brayby six months half that
and died from complications of that accident.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
But he knew Jesus.

Speaker 7 (18:06):
He knew Jesus, and every soul that I went to,
the Lord's a part of it.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Think about it. Okay, So you finally decide to go
to church because of what they're showing.

Speaker 6 (18:15):
He was showing a move.

Speaker 7 (18:16):
They were showing a movie called The Gospel Road with
Johnny Cash and Chris Kosofferson. And I said, okay, I'll
go with you if you promise to.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
Leave me alone.

Speaker 7 (18:25):
Man could tell me about this Jesus stuff. Because I said,
well what about this? He goes, I don't know. I
don't know. All I know is I asked Jesus in
my heart and he sent me free. So I went
with him, and Donna, one of the girls that we
were living together, went with him and went with us
and his church about forty fifty people, little white, wooden church,
and you know, they're singing and doing all this stuff,

(18:48):
and I'm going, this is it. And I had no
shirt on. I had no shirt. I had a poncho,
and I had rings on everything. I had no shoes,
no shoes on, bracelets on, you know, just and Johnny
Cash sings and narrates the story of Jesus, and at
the end it shows Jesus dying on the cross on Calvary,

(19:09):
and you know, I knew nothing about the Bible, nothing,
but it resonated with me.

Speaker 6 (19:14):
But then what really got me is it.

Speaker 7 (19:16):
Showed the same Jesus and he dramatically dies on the cross,
but this time the cross is in Times Square and
there's prostitutes and drug addicts and homeless there. And then
it shows him again dying with his music and it's
in the streets of la with gang bangers and stuff.
And I knew it was real. And so the pastor said,

(19:38):
you know, he gave an altar call and everything, and
there's no way. I'm sitting in the very back and
Joni to this day, and I promised this absolute truth.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
Nobody came up to me. Nobody said, you know, you know.

Speaker 7 (19:49):
And I don't know how I ended up at the front,
because I don't remember getting out of my seat. I
don't remember all of a sudden, I was just at
the front and we're kneeling at the altar. Don and
I next to each other. But nobody in the church
would pray. Nobody know there was four or five six
other people getting saved, and they're all going there, and
we watched them go around us, and we didn't know

(20:09):
what to do, you know, and so I just said,
I just you know, I could feel it.

Speaker 6 (20:14):
I could feel this Jesus, whoever he was. And I said, Jesus,
if you're real, be real to me.

Speaker 7 (20:22):
And literally it felt like a thousand pounds lifted off.

Speaker 6 (20:26):
I didn't even know.

Speaker 7 (20:26):
I hadn't even heard of being born again, and I
didn't know any of that.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
But you were hurt because the Christians were kind of
afraid of you, which I know you were kind of
scary looking, but I mean we asked sinners to come
to church, no pray for him, that's crazy. So you
went home a little upset. But we're almost out of time.
We got to talk about you. Finally decided to come
back one more time.

Speaker 7 (20:47):
What happened, Yeah, Well, the girls kept going back and
I would make fun of them, I said, did you
They said, oh, Larry should have gone the church. And
I didn't want to go back because these Christians weren't friendly,
and it's just the I scared him, you know, that
became my church. But I said I'd make fun I said,
did you say Hallelujah? Did you say thank you Jesus?

(21:07):
You know, I was mocking them, you know, And uh,
there's there's a saying amongst we passored tois and I
passed amongst the novaj for a lot. And there's the
same amongst the Novajo. When you make fun of someone,
you're next.

Speaker 9 (21:19):
You're the next.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
And so they finally.

Speaker 7 (21:21):
Talked me about and they were having a revival and
this guy by the name of John Metzler, who was
an amazing guy, moved in the gifts of the spirit,
word of wisdoword of knowledge. And so he calls these
ladies out and lays hands on them and they get
slain in the spirit.

Speaker 6 (21:35):
Not you know, I will you know what is what?

Speaker 7 (21:38):
What I thought, this is these these people are idiots
and so but I but even though I couldn't deny,
I was feeling it, you know. And so everybody's lifting
their hands and praising God. And so I literally did
this like this, and I said, I said, I said, God,
if I need to know if this is real. And
all of a sudden I feel something on my fingers.
I look up and it's this guy in a three

(21:59):
piece suit. You know, and I got no shirt on. Again,
I got no you know, this is who I am.
I'm a drug addict. I'm a hippie like it or not.
And he said, come here, son. He said, God spoke
to me about you. And I said, and Donna, sitting
next to me, she's going, Lord, this is not going
to be good. And because I was, I was pretty radical.

(22:22):
And he said, you were just praying and you said, God.

Speaker 6 (22:25):
You need to let me know if this is real.

Speaker 7 (22:27):
And I thought, okay, I said, and he said, he said,
you're going to preach the gospel around the world. And
I go, I'm never even coming back. And he goes,
you want everything God has to offer, don't you. Now,
John became my very very good friend and mentor, and
I said, he said, you want everything God has, don't you.

(22:48):
I said, yeah, have it comes from God, not you,
and he goes, he just smiled, and and the pastor
was standing behind me.

Speaker 6 (22:54):
You know, I don't know why, you know, I thought
he to pick my pocket or something. And he laid
hands on me and before the Lord.

Speaker 7 (23:01):
And this is why I don't believe you have to
fake being slain in the spirit. Let God just be
got and I felt myself floating. I went five aisles back.
Five there were just folding chairs, and I went five
aisles back and it was just like I was floating.
And then when I Whirros was going, he was straddling me,
and I'm speaking in tongues and I've never even heard

(23:23):
of tongus before, and I didn't want to. I'm trying
to stop, and I would take a.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Big dose of power, folks, Yeah, big dose for this van.

Speaker 7 (23:30):
Yeah, and he goes, Lord, don't let him up until
he knows it's you. And these precious black ladies, and
I ended up sitting next to them all the time
because they were so spirit filled. And they're leaning over
me with their big hats. No, no, I'm not laying
hands on, you know. And they went on with church,
and I just laid there and I'm speaking in tongues
and finally got up and I crawled back.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
To my You couldn't move.

Speaker 6 (23:51):
I couldn't move for twenty minutes, I guess.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
And they kept going on with this, going on with church.
It's funny. And then you had to crawl.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
You could literally crawl. I couldn't stand up.

Speaker 7 (24:02):
Crawled back to my seat and Donna said, what was that?

Speaker 6 (24:05):
What happened? I go, What did he do?

Speaker 7 (24:08):
And they had a five night revival, and I kept
going back to see and every night he called me out.
Every night he called me out, and he said, you're
gonna preach the gospel.

Speaker 6 (24:16):
You're going to this.

Speaker 7 (24:17):
And and and so, and then he lay hands on
me and I'd get slain the spirit again.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Right now, you're preaching the gospel to the world, and
I want you to take a moment and just lead
someone that's watching right now. This is your moment to
surrender your heart to God.

Speaker 6 (24:34):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (24:35):
You know, when you come to the Lord. I always
say it like this. Jesus didn't tell me go get
cleaned up and then come. When you come to the Lord,
it's a come as you are party, and he'll do
the cleaning. So ask Jesus in your heart right now,
wherever you're at, no matter what, say, Jesus, come into
my heart. I receive you as my Lord and Savior.

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And I dedicate my heart and life to you, for
I know you've come to give me life and life
more abundant in Jesus' name.

Speaker 6 (25:09):
Jesus, Amen, Amen.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
It's just that simple and there's so much more in
the book, like what Pastor Larry went on to Pastor
is pastoring a great church today has a connection to
Israel like no other. God's used in him all over
the world, and it is an amazing, amazing thing when
you come back and tell us give an update on
everything Israel.

Speaker 6 (25:29):
Absolutely, do the whole thing on Israel. Absolutely, Yeah, what
do y'all think?

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Is that amazing?

Speaker 4 (25:36):
I was really just like on the edge of my
seat and I kept I was like I just needed
to get saved, and.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
I was over and it was. It was a good salvation, though,
Wasn't it so good? It was so funny watching all
of them, Like every time you'd say something they didn't know.
Dorothy would be like I. Then Becca would be like, oh,
I mean you could just hear the gas.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
It's because I know he saved and preaching all around
the world, and yet I needed to know that how
you got there?

Speaker 1 (25:59):
So I got that. How old were you when you
got saved?

Speaker 6 (26:03):
Twenty six? Okay, twenty six? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (26:05):
You know it's amazing is you did all that and
now you preached and one of the people you preached
to you every week because my daughter, she said trying
to under you every Sunday.

Speaker 6 (26:13):
So thank you. What's your daughter's name?

Speaker 7 (26:16):
Oh my gosh, yes, now I know why she's so pretty.

Speaker 6 (26:20):
Okay, all right, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
We could go on and on, but we are out
of time. And I don't you remember that no matter
where you've been or what you've done, God's grace is
always there, always waiting for you. He has a real
purpose for your life. And you know it begins again.
It begins now. I mean as you prayed that prayer.
Many of you prayed that prayer. Many of you prayed
the prayer and just rededicated your life to the Lord.

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Maybe one time you used to serve God, but you don't.
I just want you to know that there are some
amazing things that God has for you for this time,
for this season, that He's commissioned you to do that
you're not doing that as a result of praying that
prayer is going to begin to open supernatural doors. And
just continue that prayer on it. And just like Larry said,
and pray, Lord, I want everything that you have for me.
Just say that said, Lord, I want everything that you

(27:05):
have for me today. I surrender today. If you're watching today,
and you did pray that prayer. We have amazing prayer
partners that are standing by. That's why the numbers on
the screen. Go to the phone right now and call.
Let us pray for you. We will send you the
Gospel of John. That's a great place to start in
the Bible. But this is a new day for you.
I'm telling you old things are passed away. And just

(27:27):
like Larry said, when you pray that prayer, donate anybody
remind you about what your past is because it's a
new day. It's a new day. Well, I do want
to thank Larry for joining us. To get a copy
of his book From Junkie to Jerusalem, and to know
more about his ministry, visit Larry Huggmanistries dot com and
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Let us know how table Talk is touching your life
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on all the major platforms. But thank you Mary for
coming for how God is using you in Israel, and
just so many updates there and we'll get you back
to talk about that and thank you for watching today.

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I pray this has encouraged you, and just know that
you haven't gone too far. That is a lie from
the enemy. I don't care what mistakes you've made. Today
is a new day. When you invite Jesus in, he
will wash you as white as snow. That's what he does.
We'll see you next time.

Speaker 8 (28:24):
Bye bye for today.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
So how does a former abortion has become one of
the leading voices in the pro life movement. Well, today
guest will share his incredible story and challenge everything that
we think we know about abortion as well as what's
at stake for the future of the pro life cause.
But before we get to that, joining around the table,
it's Cindy Johnston. This is a serious subject, you know

(29:15):
that we're going to talk about. And I'll always say
right at the beginning that for women who are watching
that had abortion, we love you and God loves you,
so we're not judging you. So I want to say
that right at the top. It's important to say it.
But it is also important to share the truth about
abortion for someone who may be, you know, thinking about
having one, To kind of really lay out what goes

(29:37):
on with abortion.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
Yes, I'm so appreciative of our guests today, and you
bring him in thinking about life. In psalmone thirty nine,
David talks about that God sees us being formed in
our mother's womb, and that baby that's in the womb is.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Fearfully and wonderfully made. That's right and kindred. The word
tells us that He knew us.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Because before we were born, before we were made, he
has a plan for every one of us. We're all
special to him. And these are hard shows to do.
But by doing the hard stuff, healing can happen, Boldness
can take place, love can be extended because you have
to talk about the hard stuff, and so I'm really
glad and grateful that we get to do that here.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah, and Rachel, I think it's important that we are
really we try to be cognizant of the fact that
we want to present truth and love. Yeah, absolutely, so
truth and love.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
It has to be a balanced approach. But I think
so many people are unaware of what an abortion actually entails.
So to actually physically see what the process is like
is extremely eye opening, and so I think people are
going to be really shocked by what the doctor shares today.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
All right, Cindy Murdacha, and this is near and dear
to your heart. It's kind of hard sometimes to talk
about this, it really is.

Speaker 10 (30:53):
And I was thinking as everybody was talking that what
if my mom had decided she didn't want me, would
have aborted me, I would be sitting here today. I
wouldn't have the family I have today. I wouldn't have
enjoyed the life that God had for me in this life.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
So well, doctor Anthony Leventino is here, and thank you
for joining us at the table today, Doctor Anthony or
doctor Tony's which goes by, but doctor Anthony Leventino is it.
Retired obgu I n a former abortion provider turned pro
life advocate. He's here today to share how God radically
changed his life and how he now works to defend

(31:27):
the life of the unborn. So you know, I talked
with you earlier and we talked about the fact that
you performed twelve hundred abortions in over a course of
four years. And the question I asked you was so
as you were doing that, like, did you have any

(31:49):
thought of this being an eternal soul at that point?

Speaker 11 (31:54):
That's a very loaded question for a couple of things.
When we were talking about that, yes it's soul, but
a lot of women use that as a justification for
the abortion. Well, my baby's just going to go to heaven,
and I've heard that one.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, so, or I can't afford to take care of
have a better life.

Speaker 11 (32:13):
There are a lot of there are a lot of
reasons why women have abortions, And anybody who's listening to this, please,
please please do not ever talk about an abortion being
a convenience. There's nothing convenient about an unwanted pregnancy, and
there is nothing convenient about an abortion at all. Women
are under tremendous stress, whether they're worried about their education,

(32:36):
their finances, their family, their relationships. And you'll also hear
this because there's something that came up during the program.
You know, the abortionist will tell you there's no such
thing as post abortion stress. All we ever see in
our in our patient's face is relief, and they are
telling the absolute truth. The first thing you see on

(32:56):
the patient's face is relief. But a lot of abortions
are being done. Doctors don't have many times don't even
meet the patient till they walk in to do the procedure.
I was not running an abortion clinic. I was in
an office that did deliveries, has direct mes and everything,
So my patients were my patients, and I saw them
for years afterwards. Yes, you see relief at first because

(33:16):
now the pressure's off whatever was was driving her to
that abortion.

Speaker 9 (33:21):
But it's later that the regret comes.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
That's what I've experienced in interviewing dozens of women who've
had abortions but didn't actually experience anxiety, depression, or even
thoughts of suicide till years later. And just because it
was such an unnatural act, number one, to remove a
baby in that manner. But as far as feeling guilt,

(33:44):
you were pro choice and you had a belief that
this was a woman's choice and you were fine with
doing it right.

Speaker 11 (33:52):
Absolutely I was, and I was convinced that this was
the right thing to do. And if you call yourself
pro choice, and you know, a lot of people identify
themselves as pro life or pro choice. But for a
lot of people, it doesn't affect how it doesn't affect
their lives directly, doesn't even affect how they vote. But
when you're a gynecologist and you say you're a pro choice,
now you have to decide where they're going to actually

(34:13):
do those abortions.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
And I did what was the oldest baby that you
ever aborted?

Speaker 9 (34:18):
Twenty four weeks.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
And whenever you saw the baby, it didn't affect you
at all to see the little hands and little feet.

Speaker 11 (34:25):
And you know a lot of people ask questions similar
to that, how can you do that?

Speaker 9 (34:30):
Let me tell you.

Speaker 11 (34:31):
The first time you do an abortion, you know, and
you take it was a suction DNC abortion, one of
the early ones, and you have to open the machine.
People don't realize when you're do an abortion. As a doctor,
you have to keep inventory. You have to make sure
that you get all the pieces because if you don't,
your patient will come back and infected, bleeding or dead.
And the first time I did a DNA abortion on

(34:52):
a much bigger baby, it really, oh my god. But
let me tell you some DNE diletation, Yeah, diletation and evacuation.
It's just a different term for a later abortion at DNC.
A DNC uses a suction catheter. It can be done
up to twelve weeks, and doctors measure your gestation from

(35:14):
your last period.

Speaker 9 (35:15):
Yes we know you weren't.

Speaker 11 (35:16):
Pregnant then, but it's how we count, so up to
thirteen weeks from a last menstrual period. At twelve weeks,
the width of your hand is the size of a baby.
At twelve weeks, not counting the legs, the baby's fully
formed and he's moving. He or she is moving, but
the tissues are soft and can be easily pulled apart

(35:37):
by the suction machine. So you can pretty much do
the whole abortion with this one instrument. But when you
get past thirteen weeks, this doesn't fly anymore because the
babies are getting bigger and bigger.

Speaker 9 (35:47):
They grow fast.

Speaker 11 (35:48):
At twenty weeks, a baby is the length of your
hands from the tip of your middle finger to your wrists,
not counting the legs, and I was doing him the
twenty four to add another couple of inches. You can't
get a baby that big through a catheter this size,
so you have to use something called the sofa clamp
to literally tear the baby apart. It's just no easy

(36:08):
way to put that. It's called a dismemberment abortion for
a reason because that's what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Okay, but continue with what you were saying when you
did it for the first time and you had to
put the baby back together.

Speaker 11 (36:19):
You know the first time, it was like even for
somebody who was experienced doing abortions, when I did the
first DNI, when I was being taught to do the
first DNI abortion, it was like, oh my gosh. You know,
but let me tell you something. And it's not just abortion,
it's anything in life. You do something often enough, you
can get used to anything. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
So Cindy asked the question what is the D and
E procedure and that it's basically a dismemberable and the
process abortion can be shocking, overwhelming. But I want us
to take a moment to watch together as doctor Lementino
explains one of these procedures. And let me say before
we show this, if you have children in the room,
you want to remove them from the room right now

(37:00):
because you may not want them to see the ugly
truth of what an abortion is. But listen to me, folks,
we need to know exactly what is going on. A
lot of people is just a glob a tissue, there's
nothing to it. No, there's a lot more to it.
And so again this is doctor Leventino explaining one of

(37:21):
these procedures. Get the kids out of the rooms or
put you know, pause the TV, whatever you need to do,
and let's watch this about two minutes long, and you're
going to see exactly what happens in an abortion.

Speaker 11 (37:33):
Today, I'm going to describe a second trimester surgical abortion
called diletation and evacuation or DNA. A DNA is performed
between thirteen and twenty four weeks of pregnancy. After administering anesthesia.
The abortionist uses a weighted speculum like this one that
opens the vagina widely. A baby at twenty weeks to
station is as big as the length of my hand

(37:56):
from head to rump, not counting the legs. The suction
machine is turned on and pale yellow amniotic fluids surrounding
the baby is suctioned out through the catheters. But babies
this big they don't fit through catheters. This side this
is a sofa clamp. The abortionist uses this clamp to
grasp an arm or a leg. Once he has a

(38:17):
firm grip, the abortionist pulls hard in order to tear
the limb from the baby's body.

Speaker 12 (38:23):
One by one.

Speaker 11 (38:24):
The rest of the limbs are removed, along with the intestines,
the spine, and the heart and lungs. Usually, the most
difficult part of the procedure is extracting the baby's head,
which is about the size of a large plummet. Twenty weeks,
the head is grasped and crushed. The abortionist knows he
has crushed the skull when a white substance comes out

(38:45):
of the cervix.

Speaker 12 (38:47):
This was the baby's brains. The abortionists then removes skull pieces.
He removes the placenta and any leftover parts of the
baby with a curette, scraping the lining of the uterus
for any remaining tissue. The abortionist then collects the baby
parts and reassembles them to make sure that there are

(39:07):
two arms, two legs, and all the pieces. Once all
the parts have been accounted for, the abortion is complete.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
That's what happens with an abortion from thirteen weeks up
to twenty two, and then you use the canyola for
like up up to twelve weeks. Yes, okay, all right,
So I know that was hard for you to watch,
some of you. I've had people write me and say,
we had no idea that this is what happened. I mean,

(39:36):
some of us. We had a hard time watching that,
even though it was it was not actually a real abortion.
It was a diagram, but still hard to watch us
all Rachel and Cindy, and Cindy couldn't even look.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
So I literally wanted to see that tool and I
felt how the little spikes And does.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
This the baby feel pain? Is that where you're gonna dok?

Speaker 11 (40:00):
I believe the baby feels pain. You get these arguments
all the time about you know, well, the babies.

Speaker 9 (40:06):
Don't feel pain to twenty eight weeks.

Speaker 11 (40:08):
As an obstetrician gynecologist, for instance, we do, and this
has nothing to do with abortion, We do a test
called amniocentesis. The baby's floating in the uterus in a
pool of water and you breathe that water actually, and
you have to do the amniocentesis test. You have to
put a needle in there, draw some of the fluid out.
There are times that needle can hit the baby and

(40:31):
you can feel them pull away. And so don't tell
me they don't feel pain even at you know, fifteen
and sixteen weeks.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Okay, so you did twelve hundred abortions over the four years,
but there are other things that happened within that four years.
Of course, you got married, you know, as a doctor,
and then what happened between you and your wife. That
was just very difficult at first.

Speaker 11 (40:53):
Like a lot of young, you know, young couples, we
were in our late twenties. We thought we were so
old at the time. Christ were in the seven but
we were like many young couples. We wanted to have
a family of our own. And found out very quickly
that she had an infertility problem. And after and any
woman who's been through an infertility workup knows how absolutely
horribly difficult that is. And after there was she had

(41:19):
already had one surgery and several tests, and the doctor
had come to us and he said, there's one more
thing I can do. It should take an hour and
a half. When he walked out of the operating room
four and a half hours later, you know, he told me,
he said, look, I said, I never tell anyone they
can't have children, but don't count on it. So we
were devastated, and we decided that, you know, let's.

Speaker 9 (41:38):
Just adopt a child.

Speaker 11 (41:39):
But of course, anyone who's tried to adopt a child
knows how difficult that is. We went to religious ad agency,
state agencies, county agencies.

Speaker 9 (41:48):
The best we could do.

Speaker 11 (41:49):
After months of effort was get on a five year
waiting list, to get on the actual waiting list, and
I had and I came up with the idea that
it was like, well, you know this is not so
we're getting nowhere with this. And I know fifty I mean,
I'm in my training program. I know fifty obstetricians on
a first name basis. Let's advertise maybe we'll get lucky.

(42:09):
And literally, I was working in the operating room in
August of nineteen seventy eight and the circulating nurse tapped
me on the shoulder, and when I turned around, she
was holding up a piece of paper that said, call
Marcia as soon as you're done. When Marcia was the
head of social services at our hospital, and she's one
of the people that I talked to. That's all the
notes said, but I knew what it meant. And sure enough,
she informed me there was a fifteen year old girl

(42:31):
in labor in the delivery room that day who'd had
no prenatal cares. First time you saw a doctor was
the day before, and she wanted to give her baby
up her adoption.

Speaker 9 (42:39):
Are you interested?

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Wow?

Speaker 9 (42:40):
Of course I was interested.

Speaker 11 (42:41):
In I went to call my wife on the phone,
and I was just seven digits away from becoming a father,
and literally, by the grace of God, we were able
to adopt a little girl that.

Speaker 9 (42:50):
We named Heather.

Speaker 11 (42:52):
Fantastic, we have a baby now, And after all the
years and after all the tears, and after all the doubts,
my wife gets pregnant the very next month, No y awesome,
and our son, Sean was born in July nineteen seventy nine.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Well, you know, so ten months apart.

Speaker 9 (43:09):
Ten months apart.

Speaker 11 (43:10):
Yeah, Sewn and Heather were figuratively and literally close. I
mean people that didn't know Heather was adopted would look
at them and go ten months apart. Man, you give
your wife much of a break. But you know I
had the proverbial millionaire's family. Now we had a son
and a daughter.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
But you did think about many times when you were
performing abortions. Here I'm doing this and we desperately want
a baby. Why can't we have one of these?

Speaker 11 (43:33):
That was the first time I had any doubts about it.
As I said, I was dedicated pro choice physician. But
when here we are trying to adopt a baby and
I'm doing abortions. I mean, I remember one abortion in particular,
it was a section DNC was in the hospital, and
I mean, like I said, you have to literally go
through the parts.

Speaker 9 (43:53):
When you're done.

Speaker 11 (43:54):
And I looked and I thought, I'm throwing these kids
in the garbage. Wouldn't even one of these women allow
us to take her baby home and care for it?
So yeah, I had doubts, But of course, once we
had kids, the doubts went away and I just went
back to business as usual.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Well, and then the unthinkable happened when Heather was five
almost six and your son was four almost five. I
think we have a picture of a brother and sister
that we could show you. Tell us about that fateful day.

Speaker 9 (44:23):
June twenty third, nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 11 (44:25):
It was a Saturday. It was a beautiful day in Albany.
I was on call, but it wasn't too busy. I
made rounds and we took the kids from amusement park
that afternoon and had dinner together, and the kids were
playing in the backyard when we had friends come for
cake and coffee, and we were talking with our friends.

Speaker 9 (44:41):
In seven to twenty.

Speaker 11 (44:42):
Five that night, we heard the screech of breaks out
in front of the house. The kids had wandered in
the road and Heather had been hit by a car.
She was a mess. I mean, I'm a doctor. I'm
supposed to be able to save people's lives. I mean,
my wife was an intensive care nurse, and it made
absolutely no difference, and she died in her arms in
the back of an ambulance that night. You know, no,

(45:04):
anybody who has kids may think they have some idea
of what that's like, but unless you have, you know,
unless somebody's been through that themselves, you have no idea,
and I hope you never.

Speaker 9 (45:15):
Find out now.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Interestingly enough, you and your wife had separate views on abortion.
Your wife was pro life she was, and you were
pro choice. And so after this you both kind of
went through your own almost separately grieving. I said to
you later, it's almost a miracle that you stayed together,
because somebody marriages break up as a result of the

(45:37):
loss of a child. But you you did stay together.
But at some point God began knocking on your door,
and he used the most unusual people to do it.
Tell us a little bit about that story.

Speaker 11 (45:50):
In nineteen eighty three, I arrived at my office and
we were being picketed by one of the local Christian groups.
And now understand, it's not like my wife and I
never darkened the end side of a church. We were
raised in a very different kind of tradition. But people, so,
people were very demonstrative about their faith. They're talking about Jesus,
you know, just always made me uncomfortable.

Speaker 9 (46:10):
Yeah, they're nuts.

Speaker 11 (46:11):
I mean everybody, everybody, everybody, I always say, I mean
everybody in the pro you know, everybody in the abortion
industry knows that everyone who's pro life as a kook.

Speaker 9 (46:20):
I know this.

Speaker 11 (46:21):
Because I know this because CNN tells me they would
never lie to me, you know.

Speaker 9 (46:27):
So.

Speaker 11 (46:28):
And it was it was during that time that I
got a new patient. Her name was Susan. She was
in her mid thirties. She didn't even come up to
my shoulder. She came in for a routine gy and
examine a PAP smear as a new patient. When it
was over, she said, can I talk to you? And
when I sat her down and asked her what I
could do for her, she looked at me and this
has said, I've been sent here to give you a
message that Jesus loves you, he cares about you. This

(46:50):
is not what he had intended for your life to
be an abortionist.

Speaker 9 (46:53):
Please stop.

Speaker 11 (46:54):
Well, doctors listen to their patients, and no patient had
ever spoke to me this way. And I had one
overwhelming thought when she said that, and that was I've
got to hustle this coop out of my office as fast.

Speaker 9 (47:04):
As I could.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
And I are you thoroughly annoyed.

Speaker 9 (47:07):
Not annoyed, just uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Okay, okay, So you got her out of the office.
And then what happened a year later?

Speaker 11 (47:12):
A year later she showed up for her guy an
exam again, and she did it again. You know, I've
been sent here to give you a message that Jesus
loves you, he cares about you. This is not what
he had intended for your life, to be an abortionist.
Please stop now, I remembered what she had said. But
in the intervening year I had received at least three
personal greeting cards mailed to my office, mark confidential, with

(47:32):
the message written on the card. One time during the
intervening year, I arrived at my office and there was
a plate of brownie sitting on my desk with a
message tied to the brownies. Now, she's not stupid. She
knew how I felt. How long would you evangelize someone
who thought you were nuts? And she kept it up
for seven years?

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Seven years? Fow seven years? Na, Okay, So what you
have to understand is that some plant, the seed Susan
was planning seeds in your heart, and you know your
heart was hearing, and you were hearing even though you're
still resisting. But when was that first moment where you thought,
I don't know if I can keep doing this because

(48:12):
you didn't have a God encounter at that point yet.

Speaker 11 (48:14):
No, after Heather died, you know, I what do you do?
You bury your child and you try to get back
into your life. So I went, you know, I showed
up at over number nine at the hospital, just like
I had over one hundred times before for one of
these second TRIMESTERDINI abortions. And I started that abortion and
I reached in with a sofa clamp and I ripped

(48:36):
out an arm or a leg and I just stared
at it in the clamp and I got sick. But
when you start an abortion, you can't stop. It was
like we said in the video, it's gruesome. But you
have to keep inventory. Part of your job is you
must make sure that you got two arms, two legs,
and all the pieces. And I said, because if you don't,
your patient will come back infected, bleeding, or dead.

Speaker 9 (49:00):
Finished the abortion. But in that moment.

Speaker 11 (49:04):
As I said, I really looked at that pile of
body parts.

Speaker 9 (49:07):
I'd done this.

Speaker 11 (49:09):
I'd done over twelve hundred abortions. That's in private practice.
That doesn't even encount the ones I did in training,
and over one hundred and twenty of them were these
D and E abortions. But I really truly looked at
that pile of body parts, and I didn't see her
wonderful right to choose, and I didn't see what a
great doctor I was helping her with a problem.

Speaker 9 (49:28):
And I didn't even.

Speaker 11 (49:29):
See the eight hundred dollars cash I just made in
fifteen minutes. All I could see was somebody's son or daughter.
And it occurred to me in that moment that this
woman had come to me figuratively, never literally, and said,
here's eight hundred dollars kill my son or daughter. And
I was the kind of person that would say, yeah, sure,
I'll do that.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
But this was a progressive process that happened with you.
It wasn't like an epiphany like I can't do this anymore.
It was you slowly just It's almost like the Lord
was so patient with you as he walked you out
of that. When was the moment that you actually decided
I can't do abortions anymore? And were there any more
people that God send along the way to.

Speaker 11 (50:12):
Well, briefly, I mean, my wife and I made a
decision early in our relationship that the abortion was a
forbidden topic. The problem with that is when you stop
talking about one important topic, it's too easy to not
talk about other important topics. And we've been drifting apart,
and after Heather died, it all just broke wide open.
I didn't stop doing abortions. I knew why I felt bad.

(50:35):
I was dedicated, I will get over this, and I
kept on doing them. But I was angry and I
was hurting, and we were kind of grieving, and we
were grieving separately. And she always knew when I had
abortion schedule the next day, because I.

Speaker 9 (50:50):
Was just this blame game.

Speaker 11 (50:51):
It was the girl's fault, it was a nurse's fault,
and everybody's fault but mine, of course. And after as
I tell people, we may you know, we didn't talk
about some subjects. But I'm I mean, I'm full blooded Sicilian,
she's full blooded Irish. Trust me, we could have discussion.
But after a few months of that, she'd had it
up to there and I unbeknownst to me, she'd had
a backpack and she was five minutes away from walking

(51:13):
out with our son. But she was going to have
her say, and you know, she let.

Speaker 9 (51:17):
Me have it.

Speaker 11 (51:18):
You know, it's not the girl's fault, and it's not
the hospital's fault, and it's not the nurse's fault. It's
your fault. If you feel so bad about this, why
don't you quit. We had a long discussion about abortion
and other things too, And the next day I went
to my partners and said, I would no longer do
this D and E abortions.

Speaker 9 (51:34):
I would only do the little ones.

Speaker 11 (51:35):
I told her I was dedicated, and I did those
for a few more months, but by February of nineteen
eighty five, I'd had it. I mean, once you figure
out that killing a baby this big for money is wrong,
it doesn't take you too long to figure out. It
doesn't matter how big they are, it's all the same thing.
And in February of nineteen eighty four in nineteen eighty five.
I'd had it, so I quit and never did another one.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
And when did you have your kind of come to
Jesus moment?

Speaker 11 (52:01):
As I said, we were raised in a different religious tradition,
but I said, you know, we got to find ourselves
a Bible church, and we did and that's where we
accepted Christ.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Oh wow, I all love that story. Well, you know,
I want to do this real quick. We don't have
much time, but I want to take a look together
at this all inspiring moment when the miracle of life begins,
captured by a brilliant flash of light. And this is
all under the microscope. It's science, but we always knew
that that an eternal soul is created at conception.

Speaker 6 (52:34):
Watch this.

Speaker 13 (52:36):
And I was under a special microscope and showing the
moment of conception, the very moment that the sperm enters
the egg. There is a flash of light and the
light has.

Speaker 14 (52:51):
Entered the world. And God said, let there be light,
And there was light in him was life, and the
life was the light of men, the true light which
lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Andrew, how amazing is that? I love it so much?
He's so good. I mean, you almost get chilled, don't
you when you see that light. It still touches your heart,
doesn't it.

Speaker 11 (53:20):
I've always said the miracle of life is enough of
a miracle without making trying to make it more of
a miracle than it is. I think I understand what
that film is showing from a medical standpoint, and like
I said, life is a miracle all by itself.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
And I do want to say for those of you
that have experienced abortion, we love you, and God loves you,
and you know you can be forgiven. I mean all
you have to say is and y'all just repeat after me,
just say Jesus, Jesus, I come to you today. Please
forgive me, Please forgive me. Come into my heart, the

(53:56):
Lord of my life, fill me with your spirit. I'm
going to serve you there today, today and throughout the
rest of my life in Jesus name, Jesus. Men. It's
really that simple. I always tell the story about my
grandfather that at nineteen he just said, God, if you're there,
like he didn't even know how to pray, and God

(54:18):
met him change his life. And that's what he'll do
for you if you open up your heart and receive
what he has for you. Some people are saying, well,
I hadn't had an abortion, but I need to pray
that prayer.

Speaker 6 (54:26):
Good.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
I'm glad you did. It's the most important prayer that
you can pray. First, Sean went and On says, if
we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to
forgive us of all our sins and cleanses from all unrighteousness.
And that's what he does. That's what he did at
Calgary when he died on the cross for our sins.
He shed his blood and payment for our sins that
we can have eternal life. Because when you saw that light,

(54:48):
an eternal soul was created. We may be in time now,
but we are the only created beings, eternal beings that
are in time, and there will be a time. The
Bible says that this this is just a stepping stone
to the life to come, and when you pray that prayer,
it prepares you for eternity, and that's why it's the
most important prayer that you can pray. Well, doctor Lebentino,

(55:11):
thank you so much for being here today. I hope
you'll come back. That's all so interesting, right, so unbelievable. Well,
I just want to say that those of you that
have had an abortion, there's some great material that we
have here, Finding Grace after Abortion. It's a work book
and a DVD, and we'll put that information on the

(55:31):
screen if you'd like to order that and we would
just it'd be our pleasure to mail it to you. Well,
what's all the time we have? I want you to
remember that no matter what you've done, it's never too late,
never too late for God to change your life. Tewo
Corinthians five seventeen says. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ,
he's a new creation. The old has gone, the newest come,
And no matter your past, God can make all things

(55:53):
new today. And for those of you that had an abortion,
he loves you and he forgives you okay, just to ask,
and I believe you'll see that baby again one day.
If you're watching today you need prayer, or you've had
an abortion, you want somebody to talk to. That's why
that prayer line number is on the screen. We have
amazing prayer partners that are standing by. But I do
want to thank doctor Anthony Leventino again for joining us today.

(56:14):
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(56:34):
incredible program today and very educational at the same time heartfelt.
We love you and I'm excited about what all God
has for you moving forward, especially those of you that
have had an abortion. To understand that God has continued
purpose for you and He loves you so so very much,
and we need too. We'll see you next time. Bye
bye for today.