JONI TABLE TALK - SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2025

SEGMENT 1: Jackson Lahmeyer - Chasing After the Wind

Jackson Lahmeyer shares insights from his book 'Chasing After the Wind,' revealing why true happiness isn't found in self-indulgence, but in holiness.

SEGMENT 2: "Bishop Kevin Wallace - Rooted in Revival

Bishop Kevin Wallace shares how we're in a great reset which is setting the stage for true revival.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, you know, we chase after health, wealth, and pleasure,
believing that all of those things are going to make
us happy and whole, but they can satisfy the deepest
longings of our hearts. Today's guest shares how he found
true happiness in the life of spiritual surrender. But before
we get to that, joining around the table is April.
It kind of sounds cliche, but it is true that

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we all have a deep well that only one person can.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Feel that's exactly right, and we try to fill it
with all this other stuff. It just to meet the
happy We got a surrender.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
You read a book on it. I did. That's an
old book. Yeah, I've written another one since then, but yeah,
for sure. And Dorothy, you know, God does want us
to be happy, absolutely, but we're not happy apart from him. No,
with him, there's guarantee.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
I am a living testament to his greatness and his
fullness of just being.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Full of joy.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
And you know I've had all the wealth and I
you know, don't have as much now, but I will
not replace it for anything in this world.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I've never heard you say that. I know, I just
I don't have quite as much now. I still have
some but not all that that I had before.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I got to human real you know what, I got
to keep it.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
I think that's important because so many people think that
happiness and joy come with all these.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Things and Rachel to the table, thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
But the reality is those are not the things that No, no,
they're not. They're all temporary.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
They are temporary, and they're fleeting. And but but it
doesn't mean we can't be happy. True.

Speaker 6 (02:05):
You know, Fred our Townselor used to tell us to say,
you know, tender happiness is just an emotion in a moment.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
That's true.

Speaker 6 (02:11):
But joy that's sustainable, and joy is with you through everything.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
That's your strength. And so I do think that we
need to have these moments of happy, right. We have
to have joy. We have to laugh and all that,
because laughter is good like medicine.

Speaker 6 (02:23):
Yeah, and and laughter is contagious.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
Right, we were talking about and.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
I were talking about earlier. I've always loved to hear
Kindre laugh. She's got the greatest laughs. So good. Yeah,
But but we.

Speaker 6 (02:34):
Do we want to latch onto joy because that is sustaining.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Because Sidney Murdoch, the joy of the Lord is our strength.

Speaker 7 (02:42):
It is and I was thinking about the Bible tells
us if what we desire is riches and stuff, moth
rust thieves, Yeah, can steal it and it can be gone.
And we've invested our life into it. And then where
does your joy go? Your happiness? So yeah, our happiness
and contentment has to be in this the Lord God Almighty.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, there you go. It sounds like a song. Well,
today's guest is the lead pastor of Sheridan Church. Please
welcome Jackson Lawmyer to the table. Come on in, Jackson,
I like that. How are you doing?

Speaker 8 (03:20):
Oh, I'm doing great. How are you all doing? I
fell out numbered, but.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, you're still pretty safe here at the table that
I think. Well, you know, Jackson Lawmyer spent his teens
chasing the wind, seeking counterfeit happiness at the cost of
true joy, and he's here today to reveal why real
happiness isn't found in a life of self indulgence, but
in holiness. You've written the book Chasing after the Wind,

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why nobody is catching what everybody is chasing. Let's go
back and tell a little bit of your story, because
you know there may be someone watching today that you
can kind of relate to where we're talking about. I mean,
I've interviewed people for many, many years, and some of
the most successful people, some of the most famous people,
and they all say the same thing that they had wealth,

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they had fame, they have fortune, but none of that
could feel the God shape vacuum in their soul. And
that's scripture, right.

Speaker 9 (04:17):
Yeah, that was me, I, you know, as a teenager
and grew up in a Christian house and so I
knew right from wrong, knew right, but my God at
that time was basketball and girls.

Speaker 8 (04:28):
That was just kind of little too.

Speaker 9 (04:30):
And yeah, and so became a dad at seventeen and
totally changed my life.

Speaker 10 (04:36):
You know.

Speaker 9 (04:36):
I was a junior in high school when I found out,
and all my friends, you know, they were great counselors.
They said, your life is over, you know, and you
need to force her to have an abortion, you.

Speaker 8 (04:48):
Know, and so.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
She decided to have the baby.

Speaker 9 (04:52):
We had, yes, and now she's fifteen, which is amazing.

Speaker 5 (04:55):
But was your parents' response to that, Well.

Speaker 9 (04:57):
My parents were actually very good in it. My dad
just well, now you got a man up. And you know,
I was a junior going into my senior year and
so but at that point I.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Was' that's the scary thing, oh, high school or junior
boy to think.

Speaker 9 (05:13):
About, and everyone's telling me your life's done, you know.
And it was going into the summer. It was the
end of my junior year. I was watching TV and
it was local and a preacher that you probably know,
Billy Joe Doherty popped up on the screen and he's
in Tulsa, and no idea what he said, but something

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sparked a little bit of helping me, and so I
lived about forty five minutes away from Tulsa at that time.
I would drive every Sunday night because I didn't want
to wake up early, so I'd drive a high school kid,
you know, I'd drive every Sunday night to go listen
to him preach. And over the course of that summer,
I reached that place where I gave my life to
Christ and all of a sudden I came to the

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realization my life wasn't over, but it had just begun.
And became a baby Christian and started serving the Lord.
Went to Old Robert University, started in business because at
OUU they said, you know, if you get a ministry degree,
kind of have three options. You can preach, you can
teach or you can learn to say.

Speaker 8 (06:13):
Do you want fries with that?

Speaker 9 (06:14):
And I was like, I want to be a business major,
you know, that's that's what I want to do.

Speaker 8 (06:18):
But God had other plans.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Well, you know, I was just sitting here thinking about
the fact that some of you watching right now, that
you can find yourself in difficult circumstances that may be
of your own doing, and the world will tell you, okay,
you're done, that, that you made a mistake. You can't.
God never says that, right, right, He never says He said, no.

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You know, we're going to learn from this that you've
gone through. You're going to do the right thing. You're
going to support this baby that's going to be born,
You're going to go to school, or you're going to finish.
But I've got a plan for your life. Yes, How
important is for people to understand that God always has
plan even when we miss up the first plan He
always had.

Speaker 9 (07:06):
God got God knows what he's doing right, and we
have a tendency to mess it up.

Speaker 8 (07:11):
I did, but God used it.

Speaker 9 (07:13):
God used it because it forced me to grow up
very quickly.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
And well you pressed in though, yes, like you pressed
it in a way that you would not have had
you not gone through that.

Speaker 8 (07:22):
No, not at all. I would have been in a
basketball guy. I was going to play college basketball. That
was my thing.

Speaker 9 (07:27):
And so instead it met oh are you and get
called into the ministry and growing up, and it prepared
me to be a young pastor. I had to grow
up as a teenager, and then it kind of prepared
me for what was next.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
They talk about that journey of God calling you in
the ministry because here you are going for business.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
When did that shift take place? And how did you
know this?

Speaker 1 (07:49):
And at some point you you got married. You actually
went through a divorce, and it was like, people don't
they don't want to tell all parts of your story,
and it one needs to hear all parts of our story.
We don't leave out those parts of the story in
the Bible, like the difficult parts. So talk about that
because she your girlfriend, had the baby, but y'all didn't

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get married until.

Speaker 9 (08:13):
Yeah, how that worked was I'm a new Christian and
I'm like, we got to do the right thing.

Speaker 8 (08:19):
We got to get married.

Speaker 9 (08:21):
My parents, her parents, my grandparents, her grandparents said don't
don't you're forcing something. They just said, wait, they said wait,
but you know, a little stubborn and I know it
all at that time, and you know, forced it through
and got married and it didn't work and they were right.

Speaker 10 (08:37):
I was wrong.

Speaker 9 (08:37):
And that was very difficult because especially in Christian circles,
you know it's like, well, well maybe you have.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
A big eggs, like I don't know how you can
be in ministry.

Speaker 8 (08:47):
How's God going to use me? And you know, it's
really funny.

Speaker 9 (08:51):
I used to when I was younger, I'd be so
embarrassed when someone asked me how old are your kids?

Speaker 8 (08:56):
Because I'm remarried.

Speaker 9 (08:57):
I have five kids now, but our two oldest are fifteen.
So people say how oh are your kids and say fifteen?
And they say you got two fai, oh you have
twins and say not really or a blended family. And
I always used to be so embarrassed of that, but
then I came to realize as a pastor, it's one
of my greatest ways to relate with so many people
in my church because they have blended families. And if

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God can use me a product of teen pregnancy divorce,
I mean, I'm checking all the boxes over here. You know,
God can still use you, and I do owere you.
I'm a freshman business major and feel this tug that
I'm supposed to be in ministry, but nobody in my
family's in ministry, and I really don't. That's not what
I want to do. I want to be in business.

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And I just kept filling the Lord tug me. So
one day I'm driving the class. It's a Wednesday. I
have a seven AM class, seven thirty am class, and
as I'm driving, it was like a projector went out
of the car ahead of me and I had this
like open vision and it was me preaching and.

Speaker 8 (09:59):
It was very detail. I remember what I was wearing.

Speaker 9 (10:01):
I was wearing all black with white shoes, and then
there were some other things and I'm like, I'm a
new Christian.

Speaker 8 (10:07):
I don't know what that is.

Speaker 9 (10:08):
Yeah, and I don't want that to be God. I
want that to be like me, my imagination.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
He really liked the white shoes anyway.

Speaker 8 (10:16):
Yeah, you know, it was just kind of like just this.
I don't I don't want this.

Speaker 9 (10:20):
So go to class, right and as a Wednesday. Then
I go to a church service that night. There's an
altar call for some general like if you want to
answer God's plan for your life, come on down. Well,
you know, I'm going down to that. And as I
go down, this older gentleman comes up to pray for
me and he starts rattling stuff off like I'm a
student at All Robert University, and I remember I'm a

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new Christian and I'm like this is this is weird?

Speaker 8 (10:44):
How does he know this about me?

Speaker 9 (10:46):
And then he retells me my vision detail by detail,
and I'm thinking, okay.

Speaker 8 (10:54):
Yeah, this really is God.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (10:56):
So the next day I go in and change my
major from business to theology and haven't looked back.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Well that was like for people that don't understand, that
was like by way of the Holy Spirit, when when
when God prophetically will speak through someone through prophecy and
show them something that they.

Speaker 8 (11:15):
Took that to get me to make that move.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
That really opened your eyes as to you know, what,
what did you say?

Speaker 10 (11:21):
Right?

Speaker 4 (11:21):
I was just going to ask, what were you thinking
when this guy who doesn't know you, literally, like word
for word, tells you what the Lord has already spoken
to you.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
You're a dream.

Speaker 9 (11:31):
I was extremely nervous because he's like looking into my
eyes and I'm a I'm an insecure eighteen nineteen year
old kid and not sure, really, what's going on?

Speaker 1 (11:43):
You come from this guy?

Speaker 8 (11:45):
It was one of the altar workers.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
I don't know, he was nobody seem so it could
have been like, what is happening?

Speaker 9 (11:54):
But that was It took God. You know, God knows
how to reach you. God knows how. God knows how
to reach you. He reach you right where you're at,
and I needed that little nudge to make a life changing,
uh decision, But so glad now looking back that I did.
And so I was just thinking, you want the honest answer,
this is really weird. Yes, that was what I'm thinking, like,

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this is really weird. But you know, I may not
be the sharpest knife in the jower, but I knew
that was God and it was an undeniable thing for
me because it happened that morning. So it was enough
to make a life changing decision. My wife was in
Oklahoma City and we had met through friends that had
basically set us up on a blind date, and I

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knew she was the one. She didn't know that for
a little while, but you know, how did you know?
That's a great question. I just since she was the one,
but I was so awkward on that first date.

Speaker 8 (12:48):
We're at this place called.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Dates were scary.

Speaker 8 (12:53):
I'm going to give you this story. Yeah, we're there, and.

Speaker 9 (12:58):
You know, we have so much to talk about because
we know we don't know each other, right, So you
like the way she looked absolutely immediately. She was very concerned,
she said me later. She was very concerned about my voice.
Wasn't sure if it was gonna be a voice she
had liked, not all that type of things. But I
know she was the last and uh, it's time to just,

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you know, go our separate ways, right, first date, and
I'm thinking, you know, don't mess this up, don't mess
this up. So it's the question, how do you dismiss
from one another in the parking lot? Do you do
a full front hug? Do you do a side hug?

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Not me, I'm so nervous proper side hug.

Speaker 8 (13:40):
I stretch out my hand to shake her.

Speaker 11 (13:47):
I did.

Speaker 9 (13:48):
I did, And then I get I'm like, oh, I
guess she's never gonna talk to me again.

Speaker 12 (13:52):
You know.

Speaker 9 (13:53):
I was just like so nervous not to mess this up,
you know, And she thought it was really weird. And
she told her sister, like, he shook my hand and
then let's see. You know, I proposed to her at Rama.
Y'all ever heard of Rama's Christmas Lights? When I proposed
to her, And it was because she's not from Tulsa,

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she'd never been.

Speaker 11 (14:15):
The r.

Speaker 8 (14:17):
Yeah, that was like nine months.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Nine months. That's good, so it.

Speaker 8 (14:21):
Was a great like. I said, I'm just glad. She
said yes, and uh.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
So now you've got two two more kids?

Speaker 8 (14:28):
Five kids?

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah, all together?

Speaker 9 (14:29):
Then yep, five all together? Two from her, uh one
from me? That's three two more?

Speaker 4 (14:35):
So did she think about being in ministry being a
pastor's wife?

Speaker 8 (14:41):
Her response was, this is not what I thought it
would be.

Speaker 10 (14:45):
Like.

Speaker 9 (14:46):
She didn't grow up in a ministry family. But she's
very behind the scenes, so she like runs the church
much better.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Than she's administrative. Kids very much.

Speaker 9 (14:56):
So my wife is very practical. I'm the big dreamer guy.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, I'll work good together, very you know.

Speaker 9 (15:04):
Only the only time we fight is when she doesn't
listen to my wisdom.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
In a man, you don't listen to her.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
I have a question, because I'm from a pastor's family
and was a.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Pastor, how do you keep your kids?

Speaker 2 (15:16):
You know, just like in life, love and life being
a pastor and how have you trained them? And this
is for any pastor watching, you know, just to kind
of run with the being a pastor's kid in the
family and still loving God, still walking with God.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Do you have any secrets?

Speaker 9 (15:34):
Well, I don't know if I have any secrets because
of the verdict is still out on my kids.

Speaker 8 (15:38):
But I think they're going to do well.

Speaker 9 (15:39):
Our thought was neither of us from ministry families, but
we've heard all the horror stories of pe case, right,
and so what we didn't want to do was make
church like a miserable experience for them. Meaning there may
be services that we don't make them go to the
time because I you know, we live there, We live

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at all the different events. But we didn't want to
make it to where they were miserable going.

Speaker 8 (16:08):
And so we've tried.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Every event that the church has that they have to
be there, but for the ones that they need to.

Speaker 9 (16:13):
Be there, the ones that they need to be there
like Sunday morning, Wednesday night youth group, you know, but
whenever we're doing special events, if they want to go,
they go. Like whenever we have Tim Tebow, my boys
are going to want to go.

Speaker 8 (16:24):
Yeah, they're going to be there.

Speaker 9 (16:25):
But other events, when we're having you know, somebody else,
they may be like, I don't want to go, and
so we don't try to force that. And that's kind
of been our much more my wife than me. If
it's up to me, they'd be at everything. She's got balance.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah, I believe nothing, absolutely nothing is wasted. That everything
we experience in life, if you're a believer, is part
of the journey.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
You know, it's part of the lessons learned.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
What would you say your biggest lesson learned thus far?

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Thus far?

Speaker 9 (16:59):
That often times rejection in life is just God's direction.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Differently redirection.

Speaker 9 (17:07):
It's a redirection because or that with God, failure is never.

Speaker 8 (17:13):
A final thing.

Speaker 9 (17:14):
You fail, you mess up, and God has this unique
way of taking your mess ups and really turning into
like a great message that he can use later on
down the road. And so for me, just learning that
if something doesn't work out, it's not the end of
the world, that God, God really doesn't know what he's doing,
and that I can trust him in that.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
So you've been through a lot, a lot of life,
through all your experiences, how have you found that you
can catch the wind?

Speaker 9 (17:46):
Well, I'd been chasing the winds and never was able
to catch it. And you know, because I kind of
live by, well, if I just had this, then I'd.

Speaker 8 (17:55):
Be happy type of things. Just have kids. It never works,
you get it.

Speaker 9 (18:00):
Yeah, And like I said, the best example is kids.
You know, kids won't make me happy, and they are
your praise report, then they also become your prayer request
at the exact same time. And so or like in ministry,
if if I just have you know, one hundred more
people and things like that.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
You just get this girl, you just get this guy,
or we just buy this house.

Speaker 9 (18:23):
And so for me that was my entire chasing the
wind and realized my wife would point it out to me.
You you just can't chill like you're never content. You
accomplish whatever it was. And and so that was the
journey it was. And then going to the Bible, what
does the Bible say about it?

Speaker 1 (18:41):
I'm going to talk about the difference between joy and happiness.
When we come back to stay right where you are.
We'll be back after this.

Speaker 13 (18:48):
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Every verse invites you to slow down, to listen along
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Speaker 1 (19:15):
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Speaker 8 (19:17):
Bundle now.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
All right, Chasing after the Winter. We're talking with Pastor
Jackson Lahlmyer, and I think it's really important for those
watching today to understand that you can have peace and
you can have joy. I think one of the most
beautiful things about having a relationship with God is that
even in the midst of craziness that can be going on,

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he gives you a peace and a joy that passes
all understanding. It makes no sense at all. How do
we do that? And for those who are watching, I
wonder if you just take a moment, look in the
camera and just share the message of the Gospel with
somebody who doesn't know Jesus.

Speaker 10 (19:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (19:56):
Well, you know, it's an interesting thing because we're all
chasing to fill a hole in our heart. It's there,
and some people entertainment they try to use to fill
that whole. Other people they try alcohol, or other people
it'll be relationships or just whatever it is. We all
have different things that we think will bring us joy

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and happiness, and at the end of the day, none
of it turns out to be sustainable, and so we're
always chasing.

Speaker 8 (20:25):
But we never actually catch it.

Speaker 9 (20:27):
And the only way that you can have real joy,
real peace that the world cannot give, but also that
the world cannot take away, is through a.

Speaker 8 (20:35):
Relationship with Christ.

Speaker 9 (20:37):
And Jesus is the prince of peace, and so when
he's in your life, there's peace. There is joy in
the presence of the Lord. So when God's presence is
in your.

Speaker 8 (20:45):
Life, you have joy.

Speaker 9 (20:47):
And the good news is all of us were born broken.

Speaker 8 (20:50):
You say that's not good news. You know that's bad news.

Speaker 9 (20:52):
But the good news is he who was completely whole,
God himself, became like us and was broken, So those
of us who are broken can in return be made whole.
That's the journey we're all on, is this journey towards wholeness.
And the gospel is very very simple.

Speaker 8 (21:09):
God loves us.

Speaker 9 (21:10):
So much that he gave his only son so that
we could have life eternally. But also we can have
life abundantly. And that's the good news of the Gospel.
And if you give your life to Jesus Christ, I
promise you you'll experience real joy. That doesn't leave based on circumstances.
You'll have a real peace, even when people would say
you shouldn't have any peace at all, because it transcends

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everything that you might be going through or that you
have experienced. So today is the day of salvation. To
give your life to Jesus Christ. And if you'd like
to do that, it's very simple. The Bible says that
if you believe in your heart and if you'll confess
with your mouth that Jesus's Lord, there's a promise you

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will be saved. And so Joani, would you like for
me to lead us.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
In that we will pray after you?

Speaker 9 (22:00):
So lead us, yes, And so if you would like
to make that decision, I'd love to lead you uh
in prayer and you can just say after me, you say,
Father God, thank you for your goodness, you and your mercy,
and you and your grace, your grace. I know I
was born a center, I was broken, but I also

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know that Jesus as a savior, Jesus, and I declare
Jesus's Lord, Jesus Lord in my life. Fill me with
your spirit, with your spirit and seal me. And until
the day of your return, until the day of your
return in Jesus' name, Jesus Name, Amen.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Amen, Amen. It's just that simple, simple, Like, it's just
that simple. People don't realize how simple the Gospel is
and how Jesus made it so simple. You were, as
you were talking about he was broken, he was bruised,
you know, when he died on that cross. His body
was broken because he came to this earth and lived
a sindless life. He came the supreme sacrifice that would

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join our hand with the hand of God and through
what he did at Calvary, and what a beautiful thing.
There's no other religion that gives the free gift of
eternal life. You don't have to work for it. I mean, it's.

Speaker 8 (23:16):
Free, right, totally free paid for. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, how different were you when you actually did that surrender?
Did you really find the joy you were looking for?

Speaker 10 (23:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (23:26):
Because you know, before that moment, I was a hopeless
teenager with everyone in my ear telling me my life
was over. And in that moment, hope came. And you know,
hope is so important because hope is to the soul
like what oxygen is to the lungs. You have to
have hope to continue forward, and God gave me hope

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that my life wasn't over because I was born again.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I was.

Speaker 7 (23:56):
Makes the heart sit yes, and I think, I think, oh,
really is a great key to happiness as well, because
when you keep that hope alive, you're able to have joy,
You're able to have happiness. And I wanted to mention
because of your book. In there, you have a guide
to happiness, the.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Ultimate Guide, ultimately ultimate tell us, the ultimate goide to happiness.

Speaker 9 (24:18):
Oh well, there's a lot more to it. But forgiveness
of state, forgiveness is key because when you forgive somebody
who has wronged you and hurt you, you are behaving
and you are acting like God, because that's what God does.
God forgives us and he commands us to forgive. And
so when you start acting christ like, you'll start experiencing

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some of Christ's attributes, which is joy. And unforgiveness is
a guaranteed way to be miserable and bitter.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
It's like cancer. It's like cancer and your spirit. Absolutely,
it's like it's like death to your bones. I mean
it's like that's what unforgiveness want to Where you talk
about listening to God's voice, Yes, that's one of the
important things. People say, how do I listen to God's voice? Well,
just get still for a moment. I mean those of
you that prayed, that prayer invited Jesus in you. It's

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good to get into church, absolutely to find the Bible
that you can read and understand. But just the Bible
says to be still and know that I am God.
You know, it takes time to develop that sense of hearing,
but over time he wants to talk to us.

Speaker 9 (25:25):
Well, you know, God's not lost his voice and prayer.
I think we have this mindset that prayer is like
a monologue. We talk, God listens. Prayer should be more
like a dialogue, you know, like God speaks as well.

Speaker 6 (25:38):
Yeah, we're in a relationship and so just having a
conversation with him because he wants that so desperately from us.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, it's surrounding ourselves with the right relationships. That community
is that important. Don't you think that's important for well
believers especially.

Speaker 9 (25:54):
We are relational beings. We're creating the image of a relationship.
And watch church like, oh, I know that there.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Are still people that are doing They're like, oh, we
just won't go anymore. Let's stay home and watch.

Speaker 9 (26:05):
It's easier, it's more dominion. But they don't realize Christians
are like charcoals. You put charcoals together, you ignite one,
they ignite the others. If you separate the coals, they
cool off. Because if we're in close proximity, my fire
will like your fire and your fire will like mine.
But if you separate, us will cool off. And so
community getting plugged into a good Bible.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
I appreciate that so much, and I appreciate you talking
about this subject and I know that it's it's helped
so many of you that are watching, and I just
pray that it's been a blessing to you. We are
out of time, then we're by pretty fast, right, Yeah,
I went fast. Don't you remember that you were designed
to experience deep, lasting, unshakable joy, and all you have

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to do is just ask the Holy Spirit to direct
your path and guess what he's going to leave you
into a life of true happiness and profound purpose. If
you're watching today and you need prayer, that's why the
prayer line numbers on the screen. If you prayed that
prayer with Pastor Lawmyer, then Colin, let us know that
you prayed that prayer. I'd love to send you the
Gospel of John. We'll send that to you absolutely free.

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And we also if you don't have a Bible, we
could send you a Bible. I think we had a
commercial that shared we have very reasonable price for a
great Bible, even a little journal that you can write
and God can show you what He's speaking to your
heart as you read through the Word of God. I mean,

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but you're on a journey and it's exciting to see
what God's going to do with your life in the
days ahead. Well, I do want to thank Jackson for
joining us today. Be sure to pick up a copy
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Let us know our Table Talk is touching your life.
We love hearing from all of you. Of course, you
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thank you ladies for being here, thank you Jackson for
being here, and excited about the days ahead, what God's
going to do with the church and beyond, and who knows,

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we may have more little Lawmyers coming.

Speaker 8 (28:18):
You don't know, you don't.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Know, but hey, we'll see you next time. Bye bye
for today. So what does revival awakening look like? And

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are we seeing the first sparks of it? Well, today's
guest believes we are. He's here to share what God
is doing, what's still ahead. But before we get to that,
joiney around the table is April Simon. So I hear
those two words, revival and awakening. They're both good. They
are both a little different, but we are seeing signs
of both those things.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
You know what we needed in America today, and I'm
excited about it. I'm excited about what's to come. So
often we focus on everything that's going wrong, but God
has a better and brighter idea, and so I just
believe there's going to be a turnaround.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
And a candle that'll preach it, certainly will. How are
you doing?

Speaker 14 (29:32):
I'm doing great, and I love the fact that we
are talking about revival and even those who are in
the Kingdom we need to be revived again, Revive us again,
get everybody excited.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Well, you know, Rachel Anna's right in that revival means
that you have been somewhere before and maybe God has
taking you back. Maybe you had once known the Lord,
maybe you've straight away, maybe your heart's grown cold, and
He wants to revive that.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
It's a reigniting of your love and devotion.

Speaker 5 (30:03):
And adoration towards the Lord.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
And so it's really cool to see these bold leaders
of the gospel that are helping store this in the
hearts of people. And we see these movements that are
rising up all across the country, people just turning their
hearts back to God, and it's really incredible.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
I love that, Dorothy Newton. I think you know I've
said this. I think we have a window of time
really to share the gospel, the good news, to encourage
people like April's talking about, and just ignite a fire
that if all of us, you know, like that song Cindia,
and I'm saying, each one, reach one, If we would
eat reach out to that person in our life, we
could see revival.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Can you imagine what that looks like if every person,
even if we just one person, change their lives, you
allow God to use us to.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Change their lives and the self salvation.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
What that would be like, it's just you know, I
remember some time ago, you guys did a show revival
and I'll never forget it.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
I mean I was so fired up.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
I was like everywhere I went, no matter who it was.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yes, And that's what it's all about.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
It's like, you know, even in our hearts, you know,
showing showing others what that light looks like.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
It's good, that's good, welcome to the table, thank you.
And you know, sheep produced sheep, Yes, they do, like
the shepherds are to teach, you know, the flock. But
I mean it's really the sheep that go out and
compel them to come in.

Speaker 10 (31:30):
It is.

Speaker 7 (31:31):
And even this morning while I was putting on my
makeup and I was just saying, God stir continually stirring.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
David and I the burden for the lost.

Speaker 7 (31:42):
And you know, we do a song with the singers,
send me to the nation, send me to my neighbors,
send me with your love. And sometimes we live in
a neighborhood and we don't even know who our neighbors are.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
We don't even know if they're saved or lost. So
we've got a call. And that's important. It's important, really,
it is important. And it's important that you you say
right there because we want to encourage you today. Well,
our guest today is a lead pastor of Redemption to
the Nation's church and the founder of the RUOT Global Network.
Please welcome Bishop Kevin Wallace. I'm on in my brother

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here he comes from the table. You can sing that song.
Come to that. How you doing.

Speaker 11 (32:32):
I'm amazing, I mean better now that I'm with you
all you're here, I'm honored to be here.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
You've got six kids and you have three girls, so
you should be comfortable. I am and a wife.

Speaker 11 (32:43):
Yeah there are multiple in that house, and then my wife.

Speaker 8 (32:49):
So yes, that's good.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
That's good.

Speaker 10 (32:51):
Well.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
From awakening across America to miraculous adoptions, Bishop Kevin Wallace
is seeing God move in powerful ways today. He's here
to share the stories what he believes is coming next.
One of the things earlier we were talking about is
that it just kind of had that compelling word that
some of you watching today, you know, you may be
believing God for something, and like maybe you've talked to

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the Lord about it, maybe you've had a secret prayer,
maybe you've told your husband, your wife, or friend or
family member, but you really haven't shared it openly, but
there's just some things you really need God to do
in your life. We're going to believe with you today
for that as well. You started out what knowing Jesus
at the grand age of what?

Speaker 11 (33:37):
Oh, I think I've known about Jesus my whole life.
I told doctor Doug, I said, I've been I'm forty five.
I have been in church forty six years because nine
months before I was born, I was drugged to church Jesus,
so I was hearing about him in the room, and
so I believe I remember giving my heart to the

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Lord at about eighty eight years old.

Speaker 10 (34:03):
And and you know.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
You can't deny those childhood like salvation calls because I mean,
I mean, I always believe it or not. The Lord
had to get me early. He knew I was six
years old, and I remember it so clearly. And of
course my walk, you know, would continue, I would mature
in the things of God at at older age. But
I can remember just having a knowledge that there was

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a God who loved me and would forgive me. And
so from there, when did you actually fill the call
in the ministry?

Speaker 11 (34:35):
Fifteen years old? So I was at a from a
very small church. My church was maybe sixty seventy people
growing up, and I wouldn't trade that for anything. But
I went to a youth conference when I was fifteen
of about ten thousand kids.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Oh wow, those youth camps, Yeah, those are good. Yeah forget.

Speaker 11 (34:53):
I went Winterfest in Gatlinburg and I'm on the back
road and I had an encounter with God when I
I was fifteen. The university campus choir was singing, lead me,
Lord and I will follow.

Speaker 8 (35:05):
And you're on the back road.

Speaker 10 (35:06):
I was on the back row and.

Speaker 11 (35:07):
Literally Johnny crawled to the altar the power of God
said on the place, and I just wept in the
altar and surrendered everything to God, said, whatever you want
to do with my life. Went to Lee University, found
my wife and Rachel you there.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
And my dad went there.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, so surrender. That's like because there's a lot of
people who pray the prayer Dorothy of Salvation and say
God forgive me, prepares them for eternal life. That's the
most important prayer you can ever pray. But that surrender
prayer is like in this lifetime, Yes, okay, God, what
you want me to do?

Speaker 10 (35:41):
That's what makes you dangerous.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
It makes you dangerous because you connect to the one
who created hundred percent.

Speaker 11 (35:47):
I say, the first the most important day of your
life is the day you get born again. The second
most important day of your life is the day you
figure it out why when you discover your purpose.

Speaker 10 (35:58):
It makes you really dangerous when you live.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
With that kind of and you don't even know what
your purpose is a lot of times. I mean, saints,
surrendering April doesn't mean that God's going to show you
right away with it, because it's sometimes that's the way
you can imagine. Yes, it's still a trust walk.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
And there's a quote that says God can do so
much more with your surrender than you can ever do
with your control.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
That one will come home.

Speaker 10 (36:22):
That's powerful, It's so true.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
That's true. And a quote when I wrote my first book,
Surrender All the quote that the Holy Spirit gave me.
It said, he said, write this John. It was early
one morning, and he said, did you know that your
lack of surrender, Your lack of surrender will have a
profound impact on those who are destined to be connected

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to your person?

Speaker 8 (36:46):
So good, Wow, So you.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Can really messing up in that puddle, you know? Is
it the ripple effect if you will, Yes, like there
are ripples that are missed when you don't surrender your
heart to the Lord. Yeah, okay, so you you did
the surrender thing, but you had no idea you're going
to be a pastor or.

Speaker 10 (37:06):
No, no clue.

Speaker 11 (37:07):
And I met my wife in love, fell in love
for me. It was eleven first sight for her, it
was about eight eighth site ninth that site, but it
was it was there.

Speaker 10 (37:20):
I scared her to death.

Speaker 11 (37:21):
I never talked to her, and I wrote her a
letter on Valentine's gave it to her while we were
lee and I said, God to him, he's gonna We're
gonna get married.

Speaker 10 (37:29):
I know I did.

Speaker 11 (37:30):
She thought I was a terrorist or something, and then
she she was mortified.

Speaker 10 (37:34):
Yeah, she thought it was a stalker.

Speaker 11 (37:35):
Saw I would just conveniently show up to class, you
know where she was a class and just be hey,
you know how she's like, get that guy away from
and nine rhyme.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
It's like Kevin and Devin.

Speaker 11 (37:48):
Kevin and Devon is a match made in heaven. And
on a scale of one to ten, she's an eleven.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Did you put them in the letter?

Speaker 10 (37:55):
No?

Speaker 11 (37:56):
No, that came to me in prayer one day, I
was in deep meditation before the Lord.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Okay, so when did she finally that when.

Speaker 11 (38:04):
I gave up, I actually gave up and let Jesus
take over and surrendered.

Speaker 10 (38:09):
Actually I did.

Speaker 11 (38:10):
I said, maybe I missed this, and I just said,
I'm going to release you like I were had her bound.
I'm going to release you to go do whatever you
want in life. And then that's where we fell in love.
And honestly, this is a wild story.

Speaker 8 (38:21):
Wait, dear, so you're just a whole.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
We got to hear the feeling.

Speaker 11 (38:26):
Her Methodist grandfather. Okay, he invited me over to dinner
one night. We were apart, we were not even really friends.
That had gotten difficult and I had moved on and
I was trying to let her move on. And her
Methodist grandfather, who had no clue, I had no clue
that the man was baptized.

Speaker 10 (38:42):
In the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 11 (38:43):
We sit down over chicken and potatoes, her sweet Methodist grandmother,
and made this amazing man.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
How did you get with him anyway where?

Speaker 10 (38:50):
Because we were preaching.

Speaker 11 (38:51):
I was a preacher, and he loved me, and I
had a great affinity for him.

Speaker 10 (38:55):
He was a powerful man. Of God.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
But I had no clues, just having fellowship fellow speaking
about we're not even thinking that she could cook, right,
he could.

Speaker 11 (39:04):
Cook, And that has a way into my heart. And
so we're sitting at a table and he says, let's
grab hands. So it's me and her grandfather and her
grandmother and Devin sitting across the table, and we grab
hands and he starts praying in the spirit. Well, I
thought the man got baptized in the Holy ghost right
there at the dinner table.

Speaker 10 (39:21):
I had no clue what was head.

Speaker 11 (39:25):
And he interpreted the tongues at the dinner table and
he said, tonight, I the Lord am removing a cloud
of hindrance over this relationship for a purpose for you
two to come together. Oh, and I'm sitting there, Grandpa.
She was sitting right across from me, and I'm over here,
and I'm like, this is the most bizarre thing that's

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ever happened in my life. And from that night forward,
I went to her church, her home church, preached a revival,
and we fell in love. And that was in April,
and in September, on my birthday, we got married.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Well, my goodness, well, I just want to tell you
grandpa'shs better than your letter.

Speaker 10 (40:02):
Grandpa's in heaven today.

Speaker 11 (40:04):
Grandpa's in heaven today, but his prophecy still lives on.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
We all immediately started after you graduated to pastor. Very
small church we did, and you're very in your twenties,
twenty two years old.

Speaker 11 (40:17):
When I became the senior pastor of the Mountain Meadows
Church of God, the Mountain.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Meadows Church, I love that myself.

Speaker 11 (40:24):
Yeah, two Meadow Church, thirty four people on my first Sunday.
I successfully grew it from thirty four to twenty eight by.

Speaker 10 (40:33):
The next side.

Speaker 11 (40:34):
And we had no clue what was what God had
in mind when when he started that.

Speaker 10 (40:41):
Johnny is just it was remarkable.

Speaker 11 (40:44):
In the first six months, Uh, Devin got spinal meningitis.
My two sons, Isaiah was newborn and my son Jeremiah,
who was one year old. Jeremiah had kidney stones in
his first six months, my first six months as a pastor,
they found kidney stones in your minds kidney. Isaiah got
spinal meningitis, Devin got spider meningitis. I almost had a

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nervous breakdown. I thought I was going to my mind.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Do you think you might get out of the ministry.

Speaker 11 (41:09):
At that point, I told the Lord, I didn't sign
up for this.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (41:12):
And I went to church on a Sunday night, having
visited my wife in the hospital with spinal meningitis, walked
down the hallway to visit my son with spinal men
and I told the Lord in that hallway, I got
a message. I preached that I got in that hallway
called hell in the hallway, and I told the Lord
in that hallway, I didn't sign up for this my
family's suffering. And it was a Sunday night. I went

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to church with twenty people there that night and al
M Kelly, an old sweet saint who's in heaven today.
But she had the voice of like a bulldozer, a
big alto voice. I was getting ready to stand up
and preach. She come to me and she said, Pastor,
I have a song on my heart. I said, by
all means, Mama Kelly, sing the song. And she started

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singing the Blood will never lose its power.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 10 (41:58):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (41:59):
And there were twenty people in that room that night,
but it felt like a host of angels rushed into
that place. And that night, I believe that night is
when it happened. It took two days for them to
get out of the hospital. But God healed my son
of spider meningitis. He healed my wife. And an atheist
doctor from a Vanderbilt she looked up my son's kidneys
and says, I don't know how to explain this. In

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this picture we took several weeks ago. There are seven
kidney stones in your son's kidney, But in this picture
I just took.

Speaker 10 (42:27):
This was a couple of weeks later. We can't find
where a kidney stone ever live.

Speaker 11 (42:33):
And the church went into one of the first waves
of revival.

Speaker 10 (42:37):
I call it a wave.

Speaker 11 (42:38):
It was a wave of revival where just blessing and
miracles broke out.

Speaker 10 (42:42):
And I give him all the praise.

Speaker 11 (42:44):
So the doctor from Vanderbilt was an atheist, and today
I don't know if she's born again, but I know
she saw something she didn't know.

Speaker 10 (42:52):
How to explain.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Well, that's what you call a miracle. So the church
began to grow. You said, you kind of felt like
you were hidden out.

Speaker 11 (43:00):
You know, I felt like John the Baptist. The Bible said,
God hit him until it was his time. Yes, yeah,
And so we were just on the back side. I
call it the arm pit of change.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
He stayed with it, like you you that was your city.

Speaker 10 (43:13):
We did, we did. I don't think you.

Speaker 11 (43:15):
I think it's illegal to claim a harvest that you
haven't sown into the field of right, you know, and
that takes years. I admire them and I pray for
these guys that bounce all over the place. There's nothing
wrong with that. But if you're going to have an
impact and a harvest, you got to fight some giants
and see God give you victory and sow some seeds.

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And you know, I was reading it on the plane
on my way here today. Paul says to the Church
of Galatia, if you don't faint, you will reap in
due season. And I'm not going to faint, by the
grace of God. And you haven't fainted, and that's why
we're here today.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
That's right. Well, the this is a forty year journey here.
You're seeing right here. But you know, I feel like
we're supposed to talp right now. I'm going to. I
want to get to kind of some miracles that happen
beyond all this, because now you're what seven eight churches
around the world and campuses and God's did amazing things.
But as we were talking about healing, there's some of

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you that need healing right now, and the Lord wants
to touch you. Would you just pray as you feel led,
Bishop as shut your hand and just pray.

Speaker 11 (44:19):
So, Father, we just thank you for every person that
is tuned in right now and wherever they are and
whatever season in life they have found themselves in. I
just declare, Lord, whether they know it or not, you're
up to something good in their life. And I thank
you Lord, like Bishop Mason said, Lord one day, he
said that I see you in your future and you

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look better in your future than you do right now.
And Lord, we just declare over every person sick in
their mind or in their body that they're coming into
a grace of healing right now. Lord, your power is
present to heal, not just to feel it. We thank
you for what we feel, but healing is available. And
now by faith, we thank you for healing those that

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are watching and that their lives are going to be
made whole by the power of God in Jesus precious name.

Speaker 10 (45:07):
Amen.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Everybody said, Amen, Well you got to hear this great story.
Here you are you get married the church has grown.
You have four amazing kids.

Speaker 10 (45:16):
Amazing kids. And then and then.

Speaker 11 (45:18):
Surprise, surprise twenty five, says surprise, surprise. I am on
my way home, so I'm in my forties. I'm forty five,
so that would have been forty one. I'm forty one
at this time, and I'm on my way home from
a preaching age.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Just a baby, Kevin, You're okay.

Speaker 10 (45:35):
Yeah, Well I didn't feel so baby ish back then.
But I but this.

Speaker 11 (45:40):
I'm landing in the plane and I get a message
from death, my wife, and she's left me a voice message,
which is rare. And then the voice message, I can
hear the quivering in her voice, and she said, Kevin,
I don't know how to tell you this, but I
was just talking to a fourteen year old girl whose
grandmother called me to intervene in an unex afected pregnancy.

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And while I'm sitting there talking to this young lady,
the spirit of God speaks to me and says, Devin,
she's carrying your child. So I thought, no, she's not that. Okay,
maybe she is, but it's a spiritual child and will
send her to college?

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Break up?

Speaker 11 (46:19):
Yes, yes, So I literally I literally look at the pilot,
I say, take me back up in the air. I landed,
and this is the craziest thing I've ever heard. And
so I called her. I said, talk to me, what's
going on? And she said, I'm just telling you. The
Lord moved.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
She doesn't say things like that. No, she's not cavalier
about things.

Speaker 10 (46:37):
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 11 (46:38):
Devin is very, very hesitant to say the Lord said.
But Devon is also very I am convinced that when
she would come with something like that, and she's heard
the Lord, and there was a trepidation and a fear
of the Lord in her voice, and it was real.
And I'm likev this is the busiest season of our life.

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We planted camp is, I have two teenagers, we're getting cars,
my son's getting married. What in the name of Mary
is going on? This cannot be that we're having an
adoption here. And I meet the fourteen year old girl
with Devon, and the fourteen year old young lady looks
at us and she said, I've checked your family out
and I've seen all that you guys are up to,

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and if you will take my baby, I will have her.

Speaker 10 (47:24):
Now.

Speaker 11 (47:24):
Her mother and father have both suggested she have an abortion,
and the grandmother who was born again said no, I
got to take you to this preacher's wife and gets.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Connected because Devon would work.

Speaker 11 (47:36):
With Devin still to this day, rescuing babies us two things.
Work rescues women and human trafficking, and works to connectant
pregnant mothers who are either in an unwonted or unexpected
pregnancy with adoptive families.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
And to give them the help and support they need
one hundred percent of the journey one hundred percent.

Speaker 11 (47:53):
And we've done that, and she's done that so well
and faithfully over the years, and it just remarkable. And
so I meet this girl with dev and the girl
tells us that, and it's one of those things where
you're sitting at a table with like five or six
ladies and you're like you can't.

Speaker 10 (48:12):
Say no, Like you just can't say no.

Speaker 11 (48:14):
You're the only guy in the group, and you're like,
I got.

Speaker 10 (48:16):
To do with my wife is feeling.

Speaker 11 (48:17):
And so this young lady looks at me and says,
I'll have this child if you take it. And I
look at dev and I'm like, what can I do?
I love you know, and so we said we will
long story short, this precious young fourteen year old girl
courageously has this child.

Speaker 10 (48:36):
That fourteen year old girl has a mother.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Wait wait before you sell that. Now you got to
tell about We have a picture of the girl, and
this is what he says about this little precious one.
What do you say?

Speaker 11 (48:50):
She's spicy, and she's full of life and has me
wrapped around everything. Her name is Genesis Amaya. Yes, and
she is beautiful, she is timing out, and she's brilliant.

Speaker 10 (49:05):
She's four, she's tall. They told her she could be
six foot tall.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (49:09):
And she tested on like second grade levels. So we're
putting her in kindergarten. Oh, and I want to say
this to all young boys. I'm not afraid to have
a prison ministry. If you mess with my daughters, I'll
write letters from prison, like Paul if you mess with
the tall Okay.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
So you adopt her and then, as it would turn out,
there were more surprises coming. You had no idea.

Speaker 11 (49:35):
Yes, So the fourteen year old girl who courageously gives
birth to Genesis, that fourteen year old girl has a mother,
precious dear lady who has had nine abortions, and.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
She has kind of a rough, oh lifestyle.

Speaker 11 (49:50):
She has endured unimaginable circumstances, torture, involved in all kinds
of things that I won't even go into here. But
she's getting ready to to have her tenth abortion. The
fourteen year old girl goes to her mother and says, Mom,
don't have the abortion. If you'll have the baby, I
know a preacher's family who'll take that. No one has

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been passed by the preacher. We can have a consultation.
And I told the young lady later, I don't need
you to be my adoption. I got my wife, she
can handle this. But the reality of it is, Devin
met with that precious dear lady, and we brought her
in because she was involved in trafficking and drugs herself.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Not you got her some help, a safe.

Speaker 10 (50:36):
Place, found a safe place, a safe home.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
You get a safe place for her. And she says
she's going to have the baby.

Speaker 11 (50:41):
She says, I'm gonna have the baby. And she has
this child on Valentine's Day. Wow, and this little guy the.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Day you wrote the letter to Yeah, yeah, this little.

Speaker 10 (50:55):
Guy is born on Valentine's Day.

Speaker 11 (50:57):
He was supposed to be the tenth aborted child this
woman had had in her womb, but he lives, and
Devin's the first one to hold him, and I'm the
second one. And what's wild It is fifteen years ago,
before fifteen years so now almost twenty. That's unbelievable. God
gave Devin the name Isaac Asher. Isaac Asher, It's a

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name we had talked about but never named one of
our sons. Our sons had already been born. So I'm like,
who's Isaac Asher a grandchild? I mean, what are we
talking about here?

Speaker 1 (51:26):
There?

Speaker 11 (51:26):
He was that and Isaac and Asher both mean joy
and happiness, and he is the purest expression of joy.
He is the baby three years old this past Valentine's Day,
and I.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Was just and they're like, they're actually related, but he's.

Speaker 11 (51:45):
So by by blood. He is her uncle by adoption.
He is her brother, so we call him Bunkle and
he is the absolute sweet child and so full of life.
And you know, the Bible says God gave Jacob some
sons in his old age that brought him great joy.

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I know I'm not old, but forty five is not twenty.
And I had all of my biological children, well, Devin
and I were in our twenties and I was talking
to the sisters before.

Speaker 10 (52:16):
We got on.

Speaker 11 (52:17):
It's a different vibe all together. Raising two tallers in
twenty twenty five, when you're forty five and you got
seven churches and a network, and you got all this
going on, and I just find it the most fascinating,
fun and exhausting, exhausting all simultaneously.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Yes, I know we didn't get to touch very much
on Revival, but quickly, just take a moment and just
share what's on your heart. Not only is it a
revival of the family God putting families together in a
way that supernatural, but the family of God really needs
revival as well.

Speaker 11 (52:53):
Absolutely, and I think they're tied together.

Speaker 10 (52:54):
Mss Jonny.

Speaker 11 (52:55):
I think when America values what Heaven values, when our
courts get in harmoning more with what Heaven's courts are
in harmony with God, releases a spirit of revival on
a place. And we're in a window. You said that earlier,
Someone said that earlier. I believe we're in a space,
in a window where grace is flowing, a reset is
happening in the body of Christ. We want the authentic

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presence of God to touch and reinvigorate hearts we're seeing it,
and we're seeing a disinterest in Christianity that is actually
dropping for the first time in forty years. We don't
know if it's going up. I choose to believe it is.
But here's what I do know that disinterest has stopped.
There's a leveling off of people who say, I don't

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want to be thinking about Jesus anymore. There is this resurgence,
there's a reinterest in the person and work of Jesus.
This man with feet like brass and eyes like fire
is becoming the center of attention again, and it's changing
the Church, and I think it's time to change the nation.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Would you just take a moment and for those that
are watching right now that you maybe don't know the Lord,
and really it's so simple to pray this prayer and
invite Jesus in. And I'm going to tell you it'll
be the most important prayer you ever prayed, and it
will change your life forever. You've been looking everywhere else,
every dark corner, but this is the truth you've been

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looking for, and it's a simple prayer. Way we just
do that, Pastor.

Speaker 11 (54:20):
Yes, I just want to invite you to join me
in this prayer, and I want you to say, Dear
God in Heaven, I believe that your son Jesus came
and died for me.

Speaker 12 (54:29):
I believe that, and I believe that the price he paid,
and I believe by giving his life giving is enough
to cancel and forgive all my sin.

Speaker 10 (54:42):
And so Jesus forgive me.

Speaker 11 (54:46):
Jesus forgive me, and come into my heart and be
the Lord of my life, the Lord for today today,
and the rest.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Of my life, and the rest of my life.

Speaker 10 (54:56):
Jesus Name, Amen, Jesus Name, Amen.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
And I just want to say again those of you
that I just felt need to say it again, those
of you that may be watching it. You've had an abortion,
We don't judge you. God loves you. He understands whatever
was going on. And I just want you to know
that He loves you today. So don't believe the lie

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that Christians hate you or that God hates you. That's
a complete lie, and that's what some people will tell you.
It's not true. We love you, and God forgives and
you will see that child again if you prayed that prayer,
if you've invited Jesus in. It's just that simple. What
we are out of time. I want you to remember,
revival doesn't begin in a building. It begins in hearts

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fully surrendered to God. And when we yield to Him,
his presence moves in ways we cannot even imagine. If
you're watching the day and you need prayer, or you
prayed that prayer, that's why that numbers on the screen.
We have amazing prayer partners that are standing by ready
to pray with you, and it's our honor, our privilege
should do that. We also would love to send you
the Book of John. Is the Gospel of John is

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a free gift, great place to start in the Word
of God, and that that's a free gift for you.
And just want to be a blessing to you. But
I do want to thank Bishop Kevin for joining us.
To find out more about his ministry, visit Kevin Wallace
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of you that pray that prayer. I'm really excited about
the days ahead what God has for you. Remember, no
matter what you've done, God loves you. Today's a new day.

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You can begin again today, and it starts with that prayer. Jesus,
I need you. He's right there for you. We'll see
you next time. Bye bye for today.