July 25, 2025 • 49 mins
Just the News No Noise on Real America's Voice
Segment A: AGRICULTURE SECRETARY BROOKE ROLLINS ON HOW SHE'S PROTECTING AMERICA'S FOOD SUPPLY
Segment B: DR. SEB GORKA DISCUSSES HOW TO COUNTER AGRICULTURAL TERRORISM
Segment C: CONGRESSMAN MARK HARRIS ON WHAT CONGRESS IS DOING TO PROTECT AMERICA'S FARMLAND
Segment D: CHINA EXPERT GORDON CHANG ON HOW TO EFFECTIVELY COUNTER CHINA'S ATTACKS AGAINST AMERICA'S FOOD SUPPLY
Segment E: DO WE HAVE VIABLE SOLUTIONS TO AGRICULTURAL TERRORISM CONCERNS?
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Hello America, Happy Friday. Welcome to the latest edition of
Justin News, No Noise. I'm your host, John Solomon, as always,
hosting here in Washington, d C. And tonight we're going
to do something a little different. We're going to jump
off that breaking news train that we've been on for
the last month. Chronically, it has been so much big news,
and I want to go back to a deep dive
that we started a month ago, the issue of agrotrism.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
We are closer to.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
An enemy induced famine than most Americans realized. The Trump
Administration realized. Since our last special. At the end of June,
the Trump Administration rolled out one of the most extraordinary
agrotrism in food security plan and the country has ever seen.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's ay start.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It's a down payment on a much larger investment that
we're going to have to make to make sure.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
That our food supplier, water supply.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Is protected from enemies like China. But we got a
good start, and some of the issues that we brought
to light last month when we had that whistle blowing
Chinese doctor and others on the show, they're getting addressed now.
And I feel really lucky about that. Tonight I'm going
to be rejoined by a guy. Every time my work
with them, good things happen. He is another great host
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on This Real America's Voice network. He has a three
o'clock show. I'm lucky to sometimes be on there. Steve
Goober's joining us tonight. Steve, so much happened in the
last three weeks since we did a special, real action
concrete things. I don't think we could have expected that
much action so quickly.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Well, you mentioned something off the top of all those
breaking news for a month or two or three, and
you lose track of other very important issues, this being
one of them, of course, agricultural terrorism and China with
its fingers deep into universities across this country, into the
National Institute's Fort of Health, a lot of concerns out there,
and as you mentioned, John, a lot of it addressing
the big beautiful bill. Because look, if America's agricultural and
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food supply systems get attacked by China by way of
a pathogen like we saw happened at Michigan when University
of Michigan students were bringing in fungus, it could damage our.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Corn, our wheat, our beans.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Well, the ramifications could be global because some of the
first people that would pay the price if we had
a failed crop in America. It wouldn't necessarily be America
that pays the price first. It could be sub Saharan Africa.
They rely heavily on the exports of wheat and other
grains that we put out of America. So protecting the
American food supply is not just an American issue, It's
a global issue.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
John.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, we are the bread basket for so much of
the rest of the world, not only our own people
were a gracious farming industry here. I think now we
see the outlines of where the Trump administration is going
to go. They're gonna start making it harder for foreign
enemies by land. They're cracking down on foreign scientists coming
in and getting access to our bio technology, and still
(03:09):
a lot more to be done. Congress will be an
important part of codifying this long term. What are the
big things on your checklist right now?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Well, interestingly enough, they are Secretary of Homeland Security Christi Nomhen,
she was still governor of South Dakota who was one
of the first to step up and say, look, we
cannot have China owning agricultural ground in America and certainly
not in near military bases or other sensitive facilities. She
has one of the first step up Governor Rhonda Santa's
of Florida recently following the suit. I think that's one
of the things that people hear about all the time.
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Why does China own all this land in America?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Why do they have.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Access to all these different places? Plus the scientists at
National in Students of Health, the students that are working
in studying pathogens here in the United States and then
taking that information back to China. These are all areas
of concern, and I think I think the big beautiful
Bill put us on the right path.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It sure did, And we're lucky to kick off tonight's
show with someone who came for the farm industry and
today presides over it all.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Joining us now the Cabinet secretary who quarterback that historic
counter offensive against agretarism threats in America, the United States
Secretary of Agriculture, Bro Crawlins, Madam Secretary.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Great to have you on the show.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Good morning, Great to be here with you guys. Thanks
so much.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It's a great honor to have you on. This is
an extraordinary plan that you and the other cabinet secretaries
put together. How serious was the threat when you get
in office, What did you learn about the agretarism threat?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And how much did it surprise you?
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Well, there were a lot of things that were pretty surprising. John.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
The first thing was how just overall, how a lot
of people, most people didn't really consider that farm security
and food security is paramount to national security.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
I was sort of a little stunned.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
I mean, you know, you've kind of seen the narrative,
and I think you've even talked about maybe you were
even one of the first ones.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
To talk about John on this show.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
Was the China, you know, buying up all of our
farmland around military bases. And then of course we had
doche come in, which was amazing and help us think
through all these contracts and researchers. The US government didn't
even really know in a lot of ways who they were,
you know, contracting with and spending money with.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
And so President Trump had raised the alarm.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
On that, but no one had really thought about it
from a full kind of three hundred and sixty degree
view before.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
And so when I started.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Digging in, and you know, we had some agro some
bioterrorism over here, we had some mineral you know, supply
chain issues over there. The fact that the Secretary of
ag no matter who it is, was not on Sciphius,
which is the Treasury committee that approves the foreign purchase
of business and.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Land, et cetera.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
I mean, it was sort of one thing after another,
and kind of with my team, I thought, why isn't
anyone talking about this, like this is actually really significant
threat to our national security into America. So that's where
it all came from. Started talking to Attorney General BONDI,
of course she's got the DOJ side of things, talking
to Pete Hegseth on the defense of the homeland. Obviously,
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I'm talking to Christy nome So I said, would you
guys partner with me on this? I mean, I think
this is one of the magic things of President Trump's
cabinet is we all know and love each other, and
we all work so closely together. And all of them said, Brooke,
we are all in. Just tell us you know what
you want to do and how you want to do it.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
So that's kind of how it started.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Then thinking about and John, you know, we've worked together
for so long that the States are the guardians at
the gate. I've always believed that and ensuring that the
governors have the tools.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
That they need.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
So then they came in as really important partners in
this and of course so many champions on the hill
on the issue too, So that's really how it all
came together.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Extraordinary, Madam Secretary. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Obviously, the Chinese students have infiltrated American universities across the country.
And when you hear about the University of Michigan having
students trying to sneak in a different pathogens fungus in
this case, it could potentially destroy half the corn crop,
rice weed, everything else. How do you go ahead and
control You've got thousands, only tens of thousands of Chinese
students working in agricultural studies across this country, whether it's
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Michigan State, the University of Michigan, Texas A and m
picked your university that does agricultural studies, and you have
a big problem to try to corral and put a
leash on.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
How do you do that?
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Well, there is no doubt and really we're just peeling
the layers of the onion back right now. I mean,
as part of the announcement. When we announced this big
plan a couple of weeks ago, we canceled seventy actually
fired seventy different contractors that were from foreign nations that
are adversarial, including China, but including Iran and some other
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nations as well. This is unbelievable that US taxpayer dollars
for so many years went to fund people and contracts.
And let me be clear, other than what we found
with those students in Michigan, we have not seen anything
else nefarious but the fact that we even have open
and up these opportunities for citizens of foreign adversarial nations
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to be part of our university systems, to be part
of our research system. That's what we have to get
our arms around. And that's what President Trump has tasked
us with.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
I think that's what the people.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
Of America voted on on November fifth of last year
when they put him back into the White House, was
to ensure that we're keeping America and Americans safe.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
So we're on it.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
We've been canceling contracts, firing people, ensuring that we have
only those with America's best interests at heartworking. But this
is not going to happen overnight. That's why I think
this plan was so important. It puts us on a
path to ensure that we are being absolutely one hundred
percent Johnny on the spot to make sure that we're
doing what we need to to protect America.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
One of my favorite parts of the press conference that
you did with the Cabinet secretaries and the governors was
educating the American public that farms are increasingly at risk
of cybersecurity attacks. We kneel the Dole plant that got
struck in twenty twenty three, but as farms used more
smart to technology, they become more and more vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
To cyber hackers.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
How big is a threat and tell us about the
great solutions you've put in place.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Well, the cybersecurity threats are real, and we certainly know that.
I think we all probably have our own stories, you
know of something getting hacked, or my old organization, America
First Policy, certainly faced it. Now as a Cabinet secretary,
you know the team is now a heightened awareness.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
I have had some personal things.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Happen as well. I mean, I think it's it's certainly
it's affected every American. But when you think about for
our farmers who are producing our food supply what they
are facing every day, and as we are moving toward,
as we should, more automation, more AI understanding. You know
that the technology is incredible Silicon Valley and a lot
of those geniuses out there have turned their efforts to
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agriculture and how we can basically better help support our
farmers and our ranchers.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
But to your point, that opens up a whole.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
New level of potential attacks from the bad guy. So
we have put in place again more with Christy Nome
and Department of Home and Security, She's got a great
cybersecurity unit. Defense does as well across the government and
even here at the White House, we're spending a lot
of time on that. The team's here, but ensuring that
again agriculture is at the table, that those who are
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working on this realize that that is paramount to everything
we're doing to protecting America, to making sure that our
farmers and our ranchers and certainly our agriculture is protected
in every way that we can, and putting in place
those procedures and those policies and those plans to protect
from the cyber part of this as well.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
We had a seven point plan.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
I know that we announced this, John, what you're referring
to the cyberpiece of that was a really important piece
that a lot of people have not focused on.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
But we are hyper focused on that as well.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Important, I think to stay with, lets say, with cybersecurity
just for a bit longer at the universities, because with
all of these students, they have access to all of
this research and so forth, no matter which university it is,
we have to sit here and wonder how do you
protect each laptop, each pit.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I mean, obviously China.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Has no qualms about sealing intellectual property or research for
their own benefit and of the detriment of our country.
It seems that that's a pretty big task as well.
All those individual researchers, all those students that have links
back to Beijing. That's a big task too, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
It's a really really big task.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
And listen, the research by our land great universities is
second to none. I mean, the reason that America does
feed and fuel and provide fiber not just for our
own country but for the world. And of course, now
with another conversation for another time, John and s team,
but what the president has done realigning the world economy
around American products with the teri free negotiations. I mean,
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none of that is possible without the President leading the
way and opening up these markets. And a lot of
that is fueled empowered by this incredible research from all
of these great American universities.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
But the President has talked on.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
Stop since I was with him in the first term,
since he first came down the escalator of these real
threats that are happening from people that are coming into
our country, coming into our universities, you know, being our
students on the taxpayer dime, and then taking that whatever
it may be, the intellectual property, the aggressiat, whatever it
may be, taking those back home and then potentially using
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them against us.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
These are real threats and I think.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
That just beginning to understand that again, especially from my
lane on the agriculture side, in the last six months
and previous to that, but now building on it to
ensure that we're protecting is of key importance here.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
At the Secretary.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Before we let you go, you've talked a lot about
the importance of making the farmer county more resilient, and
there have been some major, major victories just in the
last month. The Big Beautiful Bill and the changes to
the state tax allows families to hand down to another
generation their farm without having to pay all their taxes.
And then these big deals Japan you mentioned in Indonesia,
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these are massive markets that have been closed off. How
much do you think the farmer county gets an injection
of a resilience through these deals.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
I think that we truly are moving toward a golden
age for agriculture.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
And I'll never forget John.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
I was voted and approved by the Senate on February thirteenth,
earlier this year, on my way to getting sworn in
by Justice Clarence Thomas, which of course was incredible. And
in that five minute the drive from the Capitol to
the Supreme Court, my phone rings and as President Trump,
of course, he was watching. You know, he's everywhere and
knows everything, seemingly, and he called and he said, you
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tell those farmers that we are about to embark. And
he used the words on a golden age of unprecedented
prosperity and understanding that they have been suffering for so long.
We've lost so many family farms over the last four
or five years that Joe Biden years, an increase in
the thirty percent cost of inputs for our farmers. We
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went from a trade surplus under Trump one to a
fifty billion dollar trade deficit for our agg community under Biden.
I mean, these are real challenges. These farmers are having
to choose between farming houses basically right, selling their farms
for development or trying to keep them. And whether it's
President trump realignment on tariffs, whether it is our work
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to bring inflation down the cost of inputs down.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
But the big beautiful.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Bill, I'm so happy John that you brought that up.
I don't know it was such a big and such
a beautiful bill. I don't know that a lot of
people realize how good it was for our farmers and ranchers.
And again talking about national security, ensuring that they have
a sustainable and resilient ability to pass these farms down
to their children and their children's children. But what normally
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would be in a farm bill, which the Biden team
could not get passed in the last administration, A lot
of that got passed in the bill.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
It's the inheritance tax, the.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Death tax basically now being taken off of two million
of our family farms, A ten billion dollar tax cut
for our farmers and our ranchers reference prices, which is
probably most people don't understand what that means. But for
our row croppers especially, they're the ones who've been the
most hurt over the last four years under the Biden team.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
All of that one hundred.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
Percent deductions, expense deductions forty five z for our corn farmers.
I mean, it is one win after another, and that's thanks.
I mean I've been sort of, you know, yelling it
from the rooftop for anyone that will listen to me.
But honestly, it's President Trump, his heart, his focus, his
passion for the American people. But from my world, especially
for the American farmer, there's nothing that's been like this,
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at least in my lifetime, and perhaps back to Abraham
Lincoln who started the US Department of Agriculture as the
People's department and to support our farmers and ranchers. I
don't know that there will have been a president since
Abraham Lincoln and before that, since George Washington, and that
has been so focused on prosperity and making sure that
every American has a real shot at the American dream,
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but making sure that our farmers and richers have what
they need to feed our country and to feed the world.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I was at a farmer's market and the farmers said
to me, the last six months have been the most
consequential time in farming and agricultural history in generations.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
You've been the quarterback of that.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
It's a great honor in the show today.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Thanks so much, John, Thank you.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
That's the greatest blessing to hear that. So thank you
so much, and you'll do such great work. I'd love
to come back on anytime. Thank you all for having me.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Let's do a great honor to have you all day, Rollins,
thanks so much for joining us today. Folks, Steve and
I have a lot more for your head right after
these messages.
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Her and welcome back to this special edition of Justin News,
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Speaker 4 (18:00):
I'm Steve you.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
We're co hosting tonight with Just the News editor in
chief John Solomon. This is part two of our deep
dive into the threat of agricultural terrorism here in America.
We know the Trump administration and saying a close look
at the issue and joining us just a short while
ago to discuss was Deputy Assistant to the President as
well as Senior Director for counter Terrorism at the National
Security Council, doctor Seb Gorka.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
We have to focus on what's happening with China.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
We see these students coming in with pathogens to the
University of Michigan and elsewhere. It could threaten as much
as half of the wheat corn rice.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
It's a huge concern.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
What is being done about it at the White House?
Speaker 8 (18:38):
Well, we can actually tell you that we understood this
threat and took it very very.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Seriously eight years ago.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
If you go back in time to the first Trump
administration that I was on it to serve in as well,
you just have to go online and you can find
a court case that we specifically declassified all the relevant
documents for of a Chinese national found stealing US corn
in the middle of a cornfield in the Midwest. Why
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because of the blight resistance that we have managed to
achieve with our crops here in the United States. So
this isn't just terrorism. This is espionage coming out of
the biggest communist nation in the world today. The good
news is President Trump takes it very very seriously, and
with the likes of Talca Gabbett as Director of National Intelligence,
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John Ratcliffe running the CIA, PAM Bondia's ag Cash Battel,
and Dan Bonchino the FBI, we will not allow this
to occur and we will make sure that the national
security of America includes our agriculture as well.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, it's so important, and I know the AC Secretary
Brook Rawllance has done a lot. I want to turn
to what happened in the four years after that.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
Sorry, sorry, I got to say, John, God bless you
for mentioning her because she is of this team, very
forward leaning as well.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So good for you. Now that's a great team, and
of course you too. I mean you have made this
a priority for a long time. We used to talk
about it on your radio show and your TV show.
I want to turn to something that happened. So there's
the vigilance of the first Trump administration. Then there's four
years of Joe Biden, where it looks like more than
a thousand Chinese scientists got into the federal government at
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the NIH, at FDA and actually at a USDA, and
they're all seemed to be interested in pathogens and bioterrorism
and bio capabilities. Was this a concerted effort by China
to try to embed and find our vulnerabilities and learn
our strengths.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
So let me answer it for you in a very
personal way.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
John.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
You know, I'm a conaterrorism guy and I've spent a
quarter of a century doing this, and now I've got
my dream job running Canaterrism for the most historic president
of the modern age.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
However, and I'm going to.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
Say this on your show, even as a CT guy
who has to deal with the likes of Biasis and
al Qaeda, once you get the clearances, your TSSCI, once
you're reading the President's daily briefing, you understand instantly that.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
We will deal with all the terrorists.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
We will deal with Russia, with Iran, with a little
Kim in North Korea. But there is one strategic level
threat we face as a peer or near peer competitor,
and that is communist China.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Period. End of story.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
And if you want to know the threat, you don't
even need our clearances. You go online and you read
the book by two former senior PLA Colonels, Unrestricted Warfare.
You look at what the One Belt, One Road initiative
is doing to be at war with us right now.
You don't need bombs and bullets to be at war
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with America. You can do it with espionage, with inflevemation, warfare,
with economic warfare. Why is the president so driven when
it comes to rare earth minerals? Because China is trying
to scoop them up everywhere and make it impossible for
us to maintain our security, whether it's from operating your
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tablet at home or the incredible weapons we recently used
in Operation Midnight Hammer.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
All of those require rare earth.
Speaker 8 (22:25):
Minerals, and we don't want them in the hands of
a communist dictatorship.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
So well, said.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Doctor One of the things that is clear and has
been in the front of our front headlines recently, is
the ownership of farmland in America.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
And it's not just farmland.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
It's farmland that is strategically located in your military bases
and elsewhere. It is of great concern of many people.
Some states have now outlawed China owning farmland in America.
Is a time for the federal government to make that
same move to make sure that Chinese nationals don't have
access to our farm fields of corn, wheat, writes whatever
may be an easy access to the heartland of America,
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should we stop this.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
Food security is national security, and let's be very clear,
this isn't just about land that is being used to
grow crops to feed Americans. It's about suspicious purchases of
huge tracts of land close to sensitive sites, whether it's
military sites, whether it signals intelligence sites, whether it's nuclear
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power stations. These are all national security issues. And remember,
we don't have to go back very far in time.
When a certain man in the building behind me called
Joe Biden, the alleged president allowed a Chinese surveillance balloon
to traverse the whole of the United States, including over
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very sensitive sites. That is a national security threat. So
you're absolutely right. We take this super seriously. And the
real president right now understands the threat from China, whether
it's economic, agriculture, espionage, or anything else.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, and in the last few months, you guys have
taken the most sweeping actions of any president, any administration
in history to start to address this. Now, executive orders
and executive actions can always be reversed by someone who
doesn't have the vigilance of this administration. What can Congress
do to codify and make sure that future administrations can't
drop the ball look the other way, turn a blind
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eye and put us at risk. For instance, should farmland
purchases by foreign countries maybe be part of the Scifius
review process?
Speaker 8 (24:42):
I love that, you know, I absolutely think that's a
great idea. I don't know if you've been taking calls
from President Trump.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I know he's very fond of you, John.
Speaker 8 (24:54):
I don't see why not Sithius doesn't fall onto my
mandate seeing director of Acanetarism. But these are national security issues,
from the grid to food security, all of them. So
even if you haven't whispered in the presidents here, I
may take that idea to him personally with your.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Permission, by all means, Yeah, thank you, doctor.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Let me ask you about this because here's something else
that comes up frequently where I live in Michigan. It's
an agricultural state. And our concern is that these University
of Michigan students that are caught a camp grailing, photographing
the Taiwanese American military exercises a few months ago, disguising
themselves as journalists, and more recently, these Chinese students bringing
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in these pathogens, these fungus in the United States from China.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
The concern is that there's no severe penalties.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
What about the penalties for these Chinese students, and what
about anybody on this side, an American that helps them
achieve their goals. We believe the penalties might need to
be a lot more severe.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
What say you, Well, look, my immediate boss, Acting Nationally
Advisor Secretary Marco Rubio, has recently, in a related issue,
made me acting chair of the Federal Counter Drone Task Force,
and that's exactly what we're going to do there as well.
(26:21):
Far too long, federal government has not taken seriously the
threats that these actors, including drone operators, represent, and they
often got away with a slap on the wrist or
a misdemeanor. We've changed that with the June sixth EO
the President's signed. So if you're a malefactor, if you're
(26:42):
a malicious actor, whether you're bringing deadly fungi into the
United States, stealing samples of our blight resistant agricultural crops,
or flying drones close to sensitive sites.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
You're not going to get away with a.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
Fine or misdemeanor slap on the wrist. We're going to
use the full extent of the low against you because
these all national security issues. You cross that line and
we will come down on you like the hammers of
hell because you are endangering American citizens and a.
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Welcome back in America.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
We're going to continue on the special discussion about the
threats of aggretarism and all that's being done in the
last few months in Washington. I'm joined tonight a special
guest as my host, the one and only Steve Guber.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
And now we're going to be.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Joined by a member of the House Agriculture Committee who
has really been on the front lines of advocating for
farmers and particularly digging down on this issue. We heard
from Broke Rollins what the Trump administration did. You're going
to be surprised how much Congress has gotten done in
the last few weeks on this issue and the farmers
and generally joining us now from the great state of
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North Carolina, one of our favorite guests, Congressman Mark Harris Congresson.
Good to have you back on the show.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
It's great to be with you and with Steve as well,
and thank you both for the work you're doing and
getting this information out and on.
Speaker 9 (29:23):
The forefront of what we're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
It's exciting.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
It's something that has been lingering as a concern for
a long time and it probably didn't get the attention needed.
Now it's got attention on steroids, which is great. The
Big Beautiful Bill did some pretty amazing things for agro
terrorism bio safety in the Farm Bill.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Because there's so much in it, it might have gotten lost.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Tell us what you managed to get in there and
what it does for the farmers and the food safety
of this country.
Speaker 9 (29:48):
Well, as you.
Speaker 10 (29:49):
Know, we recognize that we've got this serious issue that's
going on with China that is almost issuing a sort.
Speaker 9 (29:56):
Of multi front attack on America right under our.
Speaker 10 (29:59):
Noses, and we recognize that and we recognize that we've
got to do something. This administration, as we've said, Brooke Rollins,
has been really a champion in leading this and even
in that cabinet meeting a few weeks ago, when she
was asked about the things that were front and centered
on her plate, she held up that map that showed
the farm land that Chinese owned across our country and
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in many of our States, and so that certainly has
called a great attention to the problem that we've got.
The Congress has sought to respond, and I'm very excited
that there were several things that were part of the
One Big Beautiful Bill, one of them being the fact
that it provides one point five billion dollars over the
next decade to livestock biosecurity, and I think this is
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extremely important to all of our farmers and to the
whole food safety issue here in our country. So we're
excited about that. We're also excited that the One Big
Beautiful Bill invest one hundred and twenty five million dollars
per year for the Culture Research Facilities Act, and this
is going to help our universities that focus on agriculture
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to be able to really have the latest and be
able to lead the world when it comes to security,
when it comes to innovation. There, we're going to be
there leading at the forefront. And so Congress wants to respond.
We want to get the right things where they need
to be for our agriculture industry in this country and
for our farmers.
Speaker 9 (31:27):
And this is leading edge stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Huge sure is of agricultural land in America because it's
not just agricultural land.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
It is a concern.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
It's where they buy it in close proximity to military bases.
I've seen a couple of states South Dakota and Florida
come to mind, where they have basically outlawed the idea
that China and Chinese citizens can own land. Why can
we not do that at the federal level? Or can
we do that? Can we get legislation pass by part
of the legislation to ban the ownership maybe not just
of China, but of other foreign countries. We can't go
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to China and by land. I can't go to Mexico
and by land. Why do we allow that here?
Speaker 9 (32:05):
Well, I agree with you, Steve.
Speaker 10 (32:06):
I think there's something we've got to take a long,
hard look at and look at outlawing it. To your point,
my home state of North Carolina has been looking at
this issue. They've actually had to build introduce that says
that within if you're within seventy five miles of a
military base in North Carolina, you cannot China cannot own.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
Land around that base. I think that's.
Speaker 10 (32:30):
Important not only for China, but for any of our adversaries.
Cannot be able to own the land and to your point,
and I think this president understands it with his whole
reciprocal pieces and his trade agreements.
Speaker 9 (32:43):
We can't go over to China and buy land, so why.
Speaker 10 (32:46):
In the world should they be allowed to come in
here and purchase it as well?
Speaker 9 (32:49):
So you raise a great point.
Speaker 10 (32:51):
I think there are issues that we've got to begin
to look at and take action on because this is
important for our security.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah. Yeah, there's no doubt.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
One of the things that we've highlighted over the last
few months, Congressman here at justin News in Real America's
voice is the large number of scientists that came from
countries of concern, predominantly China but also Iran that we're
getting embedded in the NIH and the USDA. Since we
started that reporting, NIH has looked at over a thousand
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scientists and they're doing extreme vetting and they're going to
start to pull the visas Brooke Rollins announced on the
top of the show, she's already pulled the visas for
seventy such contractors and scientists there are USDA. Is it
something that Congress may need to put tighter roles on
the NIH and these scientific organizations to make sure they
don't let enemies, enemy scientists come into our country.
Speaker 10 (33:43):
Oh, I think that would be a very wise move.
And I think, frankly, when we continue to look at
this whole immigration issue, there are more and more things
just like that that we've got to be pinpointing and
taking the necessary steps and looking at it. There's so
many different ways with legal immigration to come into this country,
but we've got to be very careful with who is
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coming into our border. We saw that with the whole
bioterrorism issue just recently with the folks coming in in
Michigan with the fungus that they were going to bring
in and how dangerous that was going to be to
the agriculture industry.
Speaker 9 (34:20):
And there's certainly some history to that from.
Speaker 10 (34:22):
Nineteen eighty four when there was an international salmonella contamination
just a religious group there in the Dulles, Oregon that
affected over one hundred and seventy seven hundred and fifty people.
So I think when you see some of the things
that have happened historically, it's something that we've got to
keep in mind and be far more careful in who
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we're allowing into this country.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Yeah, I think we need to be leary of those
college kids.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I agree with that.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
I live in Michigan, so it hits close to home.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I do want to ask you about something else so
that I think is important when it comes to the
food supply in America. That's the Chinese ownership of Smithfield,
for example, one of the biggest packing plants in America.
China today in America owns something like twenty five or
thirty percent of all the hogs alive in America. They
are actually Chinese owned because they're owned by Smithfield. So
by extension you have that, you also have Syngenta, one
of the biggest seed producers in the world, owned by
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the Chinese. I see that would be a considerable risk
worthy of consideration as well. What would you say, Well,
I think.
Speaker 10 (35:21):
It certainly is something we consider. Now we have Smithfield
here in North Carolina. I've got the opportunity to go
and tour their packing plant there and see what has
done a number of jobs there in eastern North Carolina.
But you certainly raised a great point, because we just
went through a theme just a few years ago where
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the whole home farm situation was being turned upside down
here in North Carolina by big turning firms that were.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
Coming in and creating habit.
Speaker 10 (35:51):
But yeah, I think ownership of those companies that are
part of our food supply is.
Speaker 9 (35:57):
Something that certainly is game.
Speaker 10 (35:58):
And needs to be on the table, and we need
to be having those conversations, Sarah.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
One of the ways that our farms can be made
more resilient against this competition and sometimes very serious aggoctarism,
just making the farm economy more resilient. You did that
a lot with the big beautiful bill. There are just
so many provisions in there, including a change in the
inheritance tax that keeps farms in families for a long time.
But the next big one coming up is going to
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be the Farm build tell us how important it is
and what sort of momentum you may have to achieve
some more stuff in that bill.
Speaker 9 (36:31):
Well, John Dan, You're exactly right.
Speaker 10 (36:33):
The Farm Bill is something that really should have been
approved back in twenty twenty four. Congress was unable to
get it passed, and so here we are facing it
once again.
Speaker 9 (36:42):
The Chairman of Thericulture Committee, G. G.
Speaker 10 (36:45):
Thompson, has done a really good job, I think in
strategically planning how we are moving the Farm Bill forward.
Speaker 9 (36:51):
As part of the Big Beautiful.
Speaker 10 (36:53):
Bill, while we had that opportunity in front of us
to do reconciliation, we took care of a large part.
Speaker 9 (37:00):
Of the Farm bill, not only dealing with snap.
Speaker 10 (37:03):
Which oftentimes becomes a real sticking point when we're trying
to do the things we need to do for our
farms across this country. And by taking care of that
and the One Big Beautiful Bill and reconciliation, we now
are facing things that I think really do have momentum,
really should have by partisan support so that we can
make sure that we get what Chairman is calling kind
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of the skinny farm Bill or a two point zero
pasted later this year. So I'm confident that we're going
to be able to get there. We've been working hard
over these last couple of weeks, we've been having hearings
and getting ready for that, so I feel like there's
a lot of momentum and looking forward hopefully to seeing
that get over the finish line. For all of our farmers,
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they need to know that we're there, we need to
know that the support is there. But again, as part
of the One Big Beautiful Bill, we took a big
chunk or a down payment if you will on finishing
the farm Bill before the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
It's us of getting things done, perhaps some of the
most improvements in over a generation of American farm policy,
some pretty big stuff. Congressman, As always, we love having
you on the show. Thanks for giving us such an
important update. All right, folks, we think cook of us
for break. We got another good one right around the corner.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
One of the best kind of expertsist countries ever, pretty
Scord Chank will join us, So Delvinkimore.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
About what time has plans to replace the US as
the world global food superpower.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
All right, so I'll tell you what they really plan
to do with us. That's next after he's.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Messages and welcome back everyone. Of the special editions of
Justin is no Noise. I'm Steve.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
You're co hosing with my good friend John Solomon. Tonight
we are doing part two into our deep dive around
agricultural terrorism and the concerns that.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
They pose for us. If we've already discussed, we.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Know China is beyond a lot of the plots around
hurting American agriculture, and we know why because it hurts
America's food supply. What better way to make your adversary
weaker than by making them hard to find food. It's
a terrifying concern that could become a reality. Another terrifying
reality is what would happen for the rest of the
world if there was famine in America. Jumping out to
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discuss this is China expert and the author of Plan Red,
China's project to destroy America, Gordon g.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Chang.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
You can find him on exit Gordon g Chang. Gordon,
nice to see you again. Thank you for spending time
with us here tonight. Let's jump right into this if
America had a famine, because we've seen the Chinese and
their tentacles reach into the agricultural sector and one of
their objectives.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Would be to damage American agriculture.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
If that happened, if we lost thirty percent of our crop,
half our crop, what would it mean not just for us,
but for the rest of the world.
Speaker 11 (39:48):
This would be a shock that would reverberate everywhere. We
have to just look at something which was more, which
is small, which was the start of the war in
Ukraine that shocked culture around the world for two reasons.
First of all, weak prices tripled, and second of all,
fertilizer prices increased as well, because Ukraine produces urea, a
(40:10):
main component for much of the world's fertilizer. So we
saw what happened there, and the United States, which is
a much bigger agricultural player, the effect would be so
much greater. So we already have an example of what
could happen and we can just multiply that.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, great point, Gordon.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
I want to ask a little bit about what's happened
since the last time we had a conversation about this. Obviously,
five Cabinet secretaries got together. They announced a pretty sweeping plan,
everything from cybersecurity to farm our land, purchase reviews for foreigners.
What's your assessment of that plan, what Trump rolled out
and where are the gaps where Congress and the administration
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still need to fill into more better fortify our food supply.
Speaker 11 (40:56):
Well, first of all, it's really important for the federal
government to realize this is an issue. So the National
Farm Security Action Plan that Brooke Rolins announced was really
important because it's getting people to think about these things.
Speaker 9 (41:10):
In terms of the gaps.
Speaker 11 (41:12):
I believe that no Chinese national should own farm or
ranch land in the United States, whether it's near a
military facility or not, and there are a lot of
reasons for that. So far in the United States hasn't
gone that far because we're talking about expropriation of land
for sales. But that's something that I think that we
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absolutely need to do because we know of malign Chinese
activities on farm and ranch land, and it doesn't take
too much imagination to think what the Chinese could do
when they give the ghost signal to their agents, their operatives,
and their soldiers and their networks already in this country.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Wow, Bardon, let me dive into this part of it,
because what we saw that really raised the red flag
for a lot of us were University of Michigan students
caught with pathogens with fungus in their possession coming back
into the United States from China with the idea of
exploring what these funguses could do. That's the concern. But
my concern goes to cybersecurity. What about all these students,
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What about all these college students are invested in Chinese
agriculture and so forth. How easy are their computers act?
We know China will steal intellectual property at will. They
don't care, They'll do it, and if they could break
into computers that have research in it, that's another weak
point in the chain, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Well, it certainly is.
Speaker 11 (42:32):
And we just saw this with the revelation that Microsoft
was using engineers in China to work on Defense Department programs,
and those engineers in China were basically unsupervised. They had
what's called digital x escorts, but those digital escorts really
didn't know what the Chinese engineers were doing in many cases.
(42:55):
You know, Microsoft software is used across the United States.
Just a couple of days ago, there were hacks on
about four hundred networks in our country, and including in
the Department of Energy.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
This is Department of Energy. It's not just oil and
gas wells.
Speaker 9 (43:12):
It's also nuclear weapons.
Speaker 11 (43:13):
And in fact, the agency inside the Department of Agency
responsible for our US was in fact hacked.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
So clearly, you know, when you.
Speaker 11 (43:23):
Talk about agriculture, you talk about anything else, the Chinese
basically have their run of our networks until we can
eliminate these back doors that have been put in because
we have been completely oblivious.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah, that's the problem. Ignorance has been one of our
greatest weaknesses.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Gordon.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
One of the things we talked about earlier in the
show with Seb Gorka, the counter Terrorism Director. Is the
idea that maybe long term, something like Sciphius being required
to review any foreign land transaction, whether it's agriculture or
near a military base.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Is that a path to take?
Speaker 1 (43:59):
What are of the ideas to make sure that these
land purchases aren't part of a strategic, non kinetic war
against us.
Speaker 11 (44:09):
We know that the Syfius process was broken, and we
know that because, for instance, the Chinese food processor food
Fung was able to purchase land within twelve miles of
Grand Forks Air Force Base, which is important because Grand
Forks has satellite uplinks and also links to drones, and
Grand Forks was not on a list of sensitive military
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bases that gave Syphius jurisdiction, so they didn't have any
jurisdiction for that really critical purchase. Now that is being remedied,
but nonetheless we need blanket rules, Joring g.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Chang here with us. The urgency needs to be ramped
up here. We need to take those pray seriously, Gordon,
thank you so much for taking the time.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
To be here.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Well, thank you so much, guys.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
All Right, we'll take a break, We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Welcome Back in America to the special edition of Justin
Who's No Noise. We've been diving deep for a second
month now into the very serious issue of aggretarism and
food safety. A lot has happened in the month since
we began this conversation, and a lot happened on this show.
I want to bring in my amazing co host for
the night, Steve Gruber, whose idea was to do this collaboration.
I'm so grateful for Steve. We heard from the Agriculture Secretary,
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We got a sense of what Congress was going to do.
But I thought some big ideas came out in the conversation.
The idea that maybe we teach treat farmland and farm
technology like a special asset that has to be reviewed
by Siphius, maybe banning outright China's ability to buy farmland.
There are some big ideas put on the table tonight there.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
Certainly we're I'm going to back to seb Gorka the
idea and you said it, John, we need to vet
these people. We need to vet the students that are
coming into the University of Michigan. Obviously at the forefront
with those students trying to bring in that fungus and
potentially damage the food supply here because it could take
out half the corn, wheat, beans, rice. And how devastating
would that be, not just here but around the world.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
And I think that's incredibly important.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
And you point out those one thousand scientists floating around
that are Chinese nationals, Chinese citizens of places like the
National Institutes of Health, And I say, what are we thinking.
We now know that China had access to computer systems
in America dating back many years now by way of
Bill Gates and Microsoft having access, and you just have
to wonder, China has no qualms about stealing intellectual property.
(46:42):
They have no qualms about taking what they learned here.
And if they went back to China and made crops
that were resistant to fungus or other pathogens and then
let those pathogens go here in America or in Argentina
or Ukraine or some of the other places preuse tremendous
amounts of food in this world, I mean, the effects
could be devastating. So I really like what you and
(47:03):
seb Grk and we're talking about, let's vet these people.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
We can't just let them come in. Oh, I'm a student.
We need to do better. We need to do better.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah, we do.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
And I think there's a down payment now on a
real strategy that Brooke Rollins and the other Cabinet secretaries
Christy Nome and Pam Bondi and Pete Hegseth unveiled early
this month about a couple weeks after our special But
much more.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Still needs to be done.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
One area that I wasn't thinking about until today was
the vulnerability of our farming industry to hackers and cybersecurity.
The farming industry is becoming automated. AI is going to
make it even more automated, whether it's automated dairy machines
or automated tractors in the field, they're vulnerable and it's
like all of our other connected devices in the world.
(47:47):
Brooke Rollins really seemed to have her finger on that
pulse and making sure that we get ahead of that
before that becomes a crisis.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Well, I've had the privilege and I don't know the
last time you were in the cab of a big
John Deere track. First of all, there as big as
a battleship. Some of these tracks, they're gigantic, and they
can plug in everything. You know, you've got your geotracking systems,
you got your AI, you can do these giant fields
in Illinois and Iowa and all over this country and
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basically you're there as it's completely automated. The machine's moving,
and yes there's a human being in it. But because
of that, it's connected to satellites, it's connected to the cloud,
it's connected all these computer systems. And if the Chinese
or anybody else can figure out, well they're planning this
at this rate with this seed and some of these seeds.
As I mentioned Syngenta providing the seed, there's a lot
of place in there for some well for some monkey
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business for lack of a better term, where they could
play with how we plant things, how we don't plant things,
what fertilizer cans use, what seeds get used, and they
can all get and extract this information and that high
tech system.
Speaker 4 (48:51):
We love it. It helps us, but it also has some vulnerabilities.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Clearly, it seemed like today we got a good sense that, uh,
Congress isn't sure what's gonna do yet, we gotta we
gotta get a better focus on it. Where do you
think Congress goes. It's a really important piece of legislation.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Normally it was automatic. Last year we whiffed on it.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
Well, you know, we've had some good years and bad
years for the farm Bill. WI Stavena, the former Senator
of my stay, usually was at the forefront there. She's retired,
of course. I just hope we can excuse me for this.
I hope we can plant the seeds for security in
our agricultural sector going forward. It's important it feeds the world,
not just America, but the world. We have to be
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sensitive that, we have to be mindful of that. We
have to keep her eye on the ball, even with
all these other things going on, and boy has been
a busy news cycle, but nothing more important than the
food supply of this country for us and for everybody else.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
All right, folks, that'll wrap up our special conversation today
about aggretarism and food security.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Well off the weekend. We'll be back on Monday, regular
programming
Hello America, Happy Friday. Welcome to the latest edition of
Justin News, No Noise. I'm your host, John Solomon, as always,
hosting here in Washington, d C. And tonight we're going
to do something a little different. We're going to jump
off that breaking news train that we've been on for
the last month. Chronically, it has been so much big news,
and I want to go back to a deep dive
that we started a month ago, the issue of agrotrism.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
We are closer to.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
An enemy induced famine than most Americans realized. The Trump
Administration realized. Since our last special. At the end of June,
the Trump Administration rolled out one of the most extraordinary
agrotrism in food security plan and the country has ever seen.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's ay start.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It's a down payment on a much larger investment that
we're going to have to make to make sure.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
That our food supplier, water supply.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Is protected from enemies like China. But we got a
good start, and some of the issues that we brought
to light last month when we had that whistle blowing
Chinese doctor and others on the show, they're getting addressed now.
And I feel really lucky about that. Tonight I'm going
to be rejoined by a guy. Every time my work
with them, good things happen. He is another great host
(01:29):
on This Real America's Voice network. He has a three
o'clock show. I'm lucky to sometimes be on there. Steve
Goober's joining us tonight. Steve, so much happened in the
last three weeks since we did a special, real action
concrete things. I don't think we could have expected that
much action so quickly.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Well, you mentioned something off the top of all those
breaking news for a month or two or three, and
you lose track of other very important issues, this being
one of them, of course, agricultural terrorism and China with
its fingers deep into universities across this country, into the
National Institute's Fort of Health, a lot of concerns out there,
and as you mentioned, John, a lot of it addressing
the big beautiful bill. Because look, if America's agricultural and
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food supply systems get attacked by China by way of
a pathogen like we saw happened at Michigan when University
of Michigan students were bringing in fungus, it could damage our.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Corn, our wheat, our beans.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Well, the ramifications could be global because some of the
first people that would pay the price if we had
a failed crop in America. It wouldn't necessarily be America
that pays the price first. It could be sub Saharan Africa.
They rely heavily on the exports of wheat and other
grains that we put out of America. So protecting the
American food supply is not just an American issue, It's
a global issue.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
John.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, we are the bread basket for so much of
the rest of the world, not only our own people
were a gracious farming industry here. I think now we
see the outlines of where the Trump administration is going
to go. They're gonna start making it harder for foreign
enemies by land. They're cracking down on foreign scientists coming
in and getting access to our bio technology, and still
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a lot more to be done. Congress will be an
important part of codifying this long term. What are the
big things on your checklist right now?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Well, interestingly enough, they are Secretary of Homeland Security Christi Nomhen,
she was still governor of South Dakota who was one
of the first to step up and say, look, we
cannot have China owning agricultural ground in America and certainly
not in near military bases or other sensitive facilities. She
has one of the first step up Governor Rhonda Santa's
of Florida recently following the suit. I think that's one
of the things that people hear about all the time.
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Why does China own all this land in America?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Why do they have.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Access to all these different places? Plus the scientists at
National in Students of Health, the students that are working
in studying pathogens here in the United States and then
taking that information back to China. These are all areas
of concern, and I think I think the big beautiful
Bill put us on the right path.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It sure did, And we're lucky to kick off tonight's
show with someone who came for the farm industry and
today presides over it all.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Joining us now the Cabinet secretary who quarterback that historic
counter offensive against agretarism threats in America, the United States
Secretary of Agriculture, Bro Crawlins, Madam Secretary.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Great to have you on the show.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Good morning, Great to be here with you guys. Thanks
so much.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It's a great honor to have you on. This is
an extraordinary plan that you and the other cabinet secretaries
put together. How serious was the threat when you get
in office, What did you learn about the agretarism threat?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And how much did it surprise you?
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Well, there were a lot of things that were pretty surprising. John.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
The first thing was how just overall, how a lot
of people, most people didn't really consider that farm security
and food security is paramount to national security.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
I was sort of a little stunned.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
I mean, you know, you've kind of seen the narrative,
and I think you've even talked about maybe you were
even one of the first ones.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
To talk about John on this show.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
Was the China, you know, buying up all of our
farmland around military bases. And then of course we had
doche come in, which was amazing and help us think
through all these contracts and researchers. The US government didn't
even really know in a lot of ways who they were,
you know, contracting with and spending money with.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
And so President Trump had raised the alarm.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
On that, but no one had really thought about it
from a full kind of three hundred and sixty degree
view before.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
And so when I started.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Digging in, and you know, we had some agro some
bioterrorism over here, we had some mineral you know, supply
chain issues over there. The fact that the Secretary of
ag no matter who it is, was not on Sciphius,
which is the Treasury committee that approves the foreign purchase
of business and.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Land, et cetera.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
I mean, it was sort of one thing after another,
and kind of with my team, I thought, why isn't
anyone talking about this, like this is actually really significant
threat to our national security into America. So that's where
it all came from. Started talking to Attorney General BONDI,
of course she's got the DOJ side of things, talking
to Pete Hegseth on the defense of the homeland. Obviously,
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I'm talking to Christy nome So I said, would you
guys partner with me on this? I mean, I think
this is one of the magic things of President Trump's
cabinet is we all know and love each other, and
we all work so closely together. And all of them said, Brooke,
we are all in. Just tell us you know what
you want to do and how you want to do it.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
So that's kind of how it started.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Then thinking about and John, you know, we've worked together
for so long that the States are the guardians at
the gate. I've always believed that and ensuring that the
governors have the tools.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
That they need.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
So then they came in as really important partners in
this and of course so many champions on the hill
on the issue too, So that's really how it all
came together.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Extraordinary, Madam Secretary. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Obviously, the Chinese students have infiltrated American universities across the country.
And when you hear about the University of Michigan having
students trying to sneak in a different pathogens fungus in
this case, it could potentially destroy half the corn crop,
rice weed, everything else. How do you go ahead and
control You've got thousands, only tens of thousands of Chinese
students working in agricultural studies across this country, whether it's
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Michigan State, the University of Michigan, Texas A and m
picked your university that does agricultural studies, and you have
a big problem to try to corral and put a
leash on.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
How do you do that?
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Well, there is no doubt and really we're just peeling
the layers of the onion back right now. I mean,
as part of the announcement. When we announced this big
plan a couple of weeks ago, we canceled seventy actually
fired seventy different contractors that were from foreign nations that
are adversarial, including China, but including Iran and some other
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nations as well. This is unbelievable that US taxpayer dollars
for so many years went to fund people and contracts.
And let me be clear, other than what we found
with those students in Michigan, we have not seen anything
else nefarious but the fact that we even have open
and up these opportunities for citizens of foreign adversarial nations
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to be part of our university systems, to be part
of our research system. That's what we have to get
our arms around. And that's what President Trump has tasked
us with.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
I think that's what the people.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
Of America voted on on November fifth of last year
when they put him back into the White House, was
to ensure that we're keeping America and Americans safe.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
So we're on it.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
We've been canceling contracts, firing people, ensuring that we have
only those with America's best interests at heartworking. But this
is not going to happen overnight. That's why I think
this plan was so important. It puts us on a
path to ensure that we are being absolutely one hundred
percent Johnny on the spot to make sure that we're
doing what we need to to protect America.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
One of my favorite parts of the press conference that
you did with the Cabinet secretaries and the governors was
educating the American public that farms are increasingly at risk
of cybersecurity attacks. We kneel the Dole plant that got
struck in twenty twenty three, but as farms used more
smart to technology, they become more and more vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
To cyber hackers.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
How big is a threat and tell us about the
great solutions you've put in place.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Well, the cybersecurity threats are real, and we certainly know that.
I think we all probably have our own stories, you
know of something getting hacked, or my old organization, America
First Policy, certainly faced it. Now as a Cabinet secretary,
you know the team is now a heightened awareness.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
I have had some personal things.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Happen as well. I mean, I think it's it's certainly
it's affected every American. But when you think about for
our farmers who are producing our food supply what they
are facing every day, and as we are moving toward,
as we should, more automation, more AI understanding. You know
that the technology is incredible Silicon Valley and a lot
of those geniuses out there have turned their efforts to
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agriculture and how we can basically better help support our
farmers and our ranchers.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
But to your point, that opens up a whole.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
New level of potential attacks from the bad guy. So
we have put in place again more with Christy Nome
and Department of Home and Security, She's got a great
cybersecurity unit. Defense does as well across the government and
even here at the White House, we're spending a lot
of time on that. The team's here, but ensuring that
again agriculture is at the table, that those who are
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working on this realize that that is paramount to everything
we're doing to protecting America, to making sure that our
farmers and our ranchers and certainly our agriculture is protected
in every way that we can, and putting in place
those procedures and those policies and those plans to protect
from the cyber part of this as well.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
We had a seven point plan.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
I know that we announced this, John, what you're referring
to the cyberpiece of that was a really important piece
that a lot of people have not focused on.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
But we are hyper focused on that as well.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Important, I think to stay with, lets say, with cybersecurity
just for a bit longer at the universities, because with
all of these students, they have access to all of
this research and so forth, no matter which university it is,
we have to sit here and wonder how do you
protect each laptop, each pit.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I mean, obviously China.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Has no qualms about sealing intellectual property or research for
their own benefit and of the detriment of our country.
It seems that that's a pretty big task as well.
All those individual researchers, all those students that have links
back to Beijing. That's a big task too, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
It's a really really big task.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
And listen, the research by our land great universities is
second to none. I mean, the reason that America does
feed and fuel and provide fiber not just for our
own country but for the world. And of course, now
with another conversation for another time, John and s team,
but what the president has done realigning the world economy
around American products with the teri free negotiations. I mean,
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none of that is possible without the President leading the
way and opening up these markets. And a lot of
that is fueled empowered by this incredible research from all
of these great American universities.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
But the President has talked on.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
Stop since I was with him in the first term,
since he first came down the escalator of these real
threats that are happening from people that are coming into
our country, coming into our universities, you know, being our
students on the taxpayer dime, and then taking that whatever
it may be, the intellectual property, the aggressiat, whatever it
may be, taking those back home and then potentially using
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them against us.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
These are real threats and I think.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
That just beginning to understand that again, especially from my
lane on the agriculture side, in the last six months
and previous to that, but now building on it to
ensure that we're protecting is of key importance here.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
At the Secretary.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Before we let you go, you've talked a lot about
the importance of making the farmer county more resilient, and
there have been some major, major victories just in the
last month. The Big Beautiful Bill and the changes to
the state tax allows families to hand down to another
generation their farm without having to pay all their taxes.
And then these big deals Japan you mentioned in Indonesia,
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these are massive markets that have been closed off. How
much do you think the farmer county gets an injection
of a resilience through these deals.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
I think that we truly are moving toward a golden
age for agriculture.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
And I'll never forget John.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
I was voted and approved by the Senate on February thirteenth,
earlier this year, on my way to getting sworn in
by Justice Clarence Thomas, which of course was incredible. And
in that five minute the drive from the Capitol to
the Supreme Court, my phone rings and as President Trump,
of course, he was watching. You know, he's everywhere and
knows everything, seemingly, and he called and he said, you
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tell those farmers that we are about to embark. And
he used the words on a golden age of unprecedented
prosperity and understanding that they have been suffering for so long.
We've lost so many family farms over the last four
or five years that Joe Biden years, an increase in
the thirty percent cost of inputs for our farmers. We
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went from a trade surplus under Trump one to a
fifty billion dollar trade deficit for our agg community under Biden.
I mean, these are real challenges. These farmers are having
to choose between farming houses basically right, selling their farms
for development or trying to keep them. And whether it's
President trump realignment on tariffs, whether it is our work
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to bring inflation down the cost of inputs down.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
But the big beautiful.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Bill, I'm so happy John that you brought that up.
I don't know it was such a big and such
a beautiful bill. I don't know that a lot of
people realize how good it was for our farmers and ranchers.
And again talking about national security, ensuring that they have
a sustainable and resilient ability to pass these farms down
to their children and their children's children. But what normally
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would be in a farm bill, which the Biden team
could not get passed in the last administration, A lot
of that got passed in the bill.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
It's the inheritance tax, the.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Death tax basically now being taken off of two million
of our family farms, A ten billion dollar tax cut
for our farmers and our ranchers reference prices, which is
probably most people don't understand what that means. But for
our row croppers especially, they're the ones who've been the
most hurt over the last four years under the Biden team.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
All of that one hundred.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
Percent deductions, expense deductions forty five z for our corn farmers.
I mean, it is one win after another, and that's thanks.
I mean I've been sort of, you know, yelling it
from the rooftop for anyone that will listen to me.
But honestly, it's President Trump, his heart, his focus, his
passion for the American people. But from my world, especially
for the American farmer, there's nothing that's been like this,
(15:45):
at least in my lifetime, and perhaps back to Abraham
Lincoln who started the US Department of Agriculture as the
People's department and to support our farmers and ranchers. I
don't know that there will have been a president since
Abraham Lincoln and before that, since George Washington, and that
has been so focused on prosperity and making sure that
every American has a real shot at the American dream,
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but making sure that our farmers and richers have what
they need to feed our country and to feed the world.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I was at a farmer's market and the farmers said
to me, the last six months have been the most
consequential time in farming and agricultural history in generations.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
You've been the quarterback of that.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
It's a great honor in the show today.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Thanks so much, John, Thank you.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
That's the greatest blessing to hear that. So thank you
so much, and you'll do such great work. I'd love
to come back on anytime. Thank you all for having me.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Let's do a great honor to have you all day, Rollins,
thanks so much for joining us today. Folks, Steve and
I have a lot more for your head right after
these messages.
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Her and welcome back to this special edition of Justin News,
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Speaker 4 (18:00):
I'm Steve you.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
We're co hosting tonight with Just the News editor in
chief John Solomon. This is part two of our deep
dive into the threat of agricultural terrorism here in America.
We know the Trump administration and saying a close look
at the issue and joining us just a short while
ago to discuss was Deputy Assistant to the President as
well as Senior Director for counter Terrorism at the National
Security Council, doctor Seb Gorka.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
We have to focus on what's happening with China.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
We see these students coming in with pathogens to the
University of Michigan and elsewhere. It could threaten as much
as half of the wheat corn rice.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
It's a huge concern.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
What is being done about it at the White House?
Speaker 8 (18:38):
Well, we can actually tell you that we understood this
threat and took it very very.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Seriously eight years ago.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
If you go back in time to the first Trump
administration that I was on it to serve in as well,
you just have to go online and you can find
a court case that we specifically declassified all the relevant
documents for of a Chinese national found stealing US corn
in the middle of a cornfield in the Midwest. Why
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because of the blight resistance that we have managed to
achieve with our crops here in the United States. So
this isn't just terrorism. This is espionage coming out of
the biggest communist nation in the world today. The good
news is President Trump takes it very very seriously, and
with the likes of Talca Gabbett as Director of National Intelligence,
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John Ratcliffe running the CIA, PAM Bondia's ag Cash Battel,
and Dan Bonchino the FBI, we will not allow this
to occur and we will make sure that the national
security of America includes our agriculture as well.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, it's so important, and I know the AC Secretary
Brook Rawllance has done a lot. I want to turn
to what happened in the four years after that.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
Sorry, sorry, I got to say, John, God bless you
for mentioning her because she is of this team, very
forward leaning as well.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So good for you. Now that's a great team, and
of course you too. I mean you have made this
a priority for a long time. We used to talk
about it on your radio show and your TV show.
I want to turn to something that happened. So there's
the vigilance of the first Trump administration. Then there's four
years of Joe Biden, where it looks like more than
a thousand Chinese scientists got into the federal government at
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the NIH, at FDA and actually at a USDA, and
they're all seemed to be interested in pathogens and bioterrorism
and bio capabilities. Was this a concerted effort by China
to try to embed and find our vulnerabilities and learn
our strengths.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
So let me answer it for you in a very
personal way.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
John.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
You know, I'm a conaterrorism guy and I've spent a
quarter of a century doing this, and now I've got
my dream job running Canaterrism for the most historic president
of the modern age.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
However, and I'm going to.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
Say this on your show, even as a CT guy
who has to deal with the likes of Biasis and
al Qaeda, once you get the clearances, your TSSCI, once
you're reading the President's daily briefing, you understand instantly that.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
We will deal with all the terrorists.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
We will deal with Russia, with Iran, with a little
Kim in North Korea. But there is one strategic level
threat we face as a peer or near peer competitor,
and that is communist China.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Period. End of story.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
And if you want to know the threat, you don't
even need our clearances. You go online and you read
the book by two former senior PLA Colonels, Unrestricted Warfare.
You look at what the One Belt, One Road initiative
is doing to be at war with us right now.
You don't need bombs and bullets to be at war
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with America. You can do it with espionage, with inflevemation, warfare,
with economic warfare. Why is the president so driven when
it comes to rare earth minerals? Because China is trying
to scoop them up everywhere and make it impossible for
us to maintain our security, whether it's from operating your
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tablet at home or the incredible weapons we recently used
in Operation Midnight Hammer.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
All of those require rare earth.
Speaker 8 (22:25):
Minerals, and we don't want them in the hands of
a communist dictatorship.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
So well, said.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Doctor One of the things that is clear and has
been in the front of our front headlines recently, is
the ownership of farmland in America.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
And it's not just farmland.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
It's farmland that is strategically located in your military bases
and elsewhere. It is of great concern of many people.
Some states have now outlawed China owning farmland in America.
Is a time for the federal government to make that
same move to make sure that Chinese nationals don't have
access to our farm fields of corn, wheat, writes whatever
may be an easy access to the heartland of America,
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should we stop this.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
Food security is national security, and let's be very clear,
this isn't just about land that is being used to
grow crops to feed Americans. It's about suspicious purchases of
huge tracts of land close to sensitive sites, whether it's
military sites, whether it signals intelligence sites, whether it's nuclear
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power stations. These are all national security issues. And remember,
we don't have to go back very far in time.
When a certain man in the building behind me called
Joe Biden, the alleged president allowed a Chinese surveillance balloon
to traverse the whole of the United States, including over
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very sensitive sites. That is a national security threat. So
you're absolutely right. We take this super seriously. And the
real president right now understands the threat from China, whether
it's economic, agriculture, espionage, or anything else.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, and in the last few months, you guys have
taken the most sweeping actions of any president, any administration
in history to start to address this. Now, executive orders
and executive actions can always be reversed by someone who
doesn't have the vigilance of this administration. What can Congress
do to codify and make sure that future administrations can't
drop the ball look the other way, turn a blind
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eye and put us at risk. For instance, should farmland
purchases by foreign countries maybe be part of the Scifius
review process?
Speaker 8 (24:42):
I love that, you know, I absolutely think that's a
great idea. I don't know if you've been taking calls
from President Trump.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I know he's very fond of you, John.
Speaker 8 (24:54):
I don't see why not Sithius doesn't fall onto my
mandate seeing director of Acanetarism. But these are national security issues,
from the grid to food security, all of them. So
even if you haven't whispered in the presidents here, I
may take that idea to him personally with your.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Permission, by all means, Yeah, thank you, doctor.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Let me ask you about this because here's something else
that comes up frequently where I live in Michigan. It's
an agricultural state. And our concern is that these University
of Michigan students that are caught a camp grailing, photographing
the Taiwanese American military exercises a few months ago, disguising
themselves as journalists, and more recently, these Chinese students bringing
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in these pathogens, these fungus in the United States from China.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
The concern is that there's no severe penalties.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
What about the penalties for these Chinese students, and what
about anybody on this side, an American that helps them
achieve their goals. We believe the penalties might need to
be a lot more severe.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
What say you, Well, look, my immediate boss, Acting Nationally
Advisor Secretary Marco Rubio, has recently, in a related issue,
made me acting chair of the Federal Counter Drone Task Force,
and that's exactly what we're going to do there as well.
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Far too long, federal government has not taken seriously the
threats that these actors, including drone operators, represent, and they
often got away with a slap on the wrist or
a misdemeanor. We've changed that with the June sixth EO
the President's signed. So if you're a malefactor, if you're
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a malicious actor, whether you're bringing deadly fungi into the
United States, stealing samples of our blight resistant agricultural crops,
or flying drones close to sensitive sites.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
You're not going to get away with a.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
Fine or misdemeanor slap on the wrist. We're going to
use the full extent of the low against you because
these all national security issues. You cross that line and
we will come down on you like the hammers of
hell because you are endangering American citizens and a.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Lot more straight ahead, We'll be right back.
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Speaker 2 (28:36):
Welcome back in America.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
We're going to continue on the special discussion about the
threats of aggretarism and all that's being done in the
last few months in Washington. I'm joined tonight a special
guest as my host, the one and only Steve Guber.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
And now we're going to be.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Joined by a member of the House Agriculture Committee who
has really been on the front lines of advocating for
farmers and particularly digging down on this issue. We heard
from Broke Rollins what the Trump administration did. You're going
to be surprised how much Congress has gotten done in
the last few weeks on this issue and the farmers
and generally joining us now from the great state of
(29:09):
North Carolina, one of our favorite guests, Congressman Mark Harris Congresson.
Good to have you back on the show.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
It's great to be with you and with Steve as well,
and thank you both for the work you're doing and
getting this information out and on.
Speaker 9 (29:23):
The forefront of what we're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
It's exciting.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
It's something that has been lingering as a concern for
a long time and it probably didn't get the attention needed.
Now it's got attention on steroids, which is great. The
Big Beautiful Bill did some pretty amazing things for agro
terrorism bio safety in the Farm Bill.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Because there's so much in it, it might have gotten lost.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Tell us what you managed to get in there and
what it does for the farmers and the food safety
of this country.
Speaker 9 (29:48):
Well, as you.
Speaker 10 (29:49):
Know, we recognize that we've got this serious issue that's
going on with China that is almost issuing a sort.
Speaker 9 (29:56):
Of multi front attack on America right under our.
Speaker 10 (29:59):
Noses, and we recognize that and we recognize that we've
got to do something. This administration, as we've said, Brooke Rollins,
has been really a champion in leading this and even
in that cabinet meeting a few weeks ago, when she
was asked about the things that were front and centered
on her plate, she held up that map that showed
the farm land that Chinese owned across our country and
(30:21):
in many of our States, and so that certainly has
called a great attention to the problem that we've got.
The Congress has sought to respond, and I'm very excited
that there were several things that were part of the
One Big Beautiful Bill, one of them being the fact
that it provides one point five billion dollars over the
next decade to livestock biosecurity, and I think this is
(30:44):
extremely important to all of our farmers and to the
whole food safety issue here in our country. So we're
excited about that. We're also excited that the One Big
Beautiful Bill invest one hundred and twenty five million dollars
per year for the Culture Research Facilities Act, and this
is going to help our universities that focus on agriculture
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to be able to really have the latest and be
able to lead the world when it comes to security,
when it comes to innovation. There, we're going to be
there leading at the forefront. And so Congress wants to respond.
We want to get the right things where they need
to be for our agriculture industry in this country and
for our farmers.
Speaker 9 (31:27):
And this is leading edge stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Huge sure is of agricultural land in America because it's
not just agricultural land.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
It is a concern.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
It's where they buy it in close proximity to military bases.
I've seen a couple of states South Dakota and Florida
come to mind, where they have basically outlawed the idea
that China and Chinese citizens can own land. Why can
we not do that at the federal level? Or can
we do that? Can we get legislation pass by part
of the legislation to ban the ownership maybe not just
of China, but of other foreign countries. We can't go
(32:00):
to China and by land. I can't go to Mexico
and by land. Why do we allow that here?
Speaker 9 (32:05):
Well, I agree with you, Steve.
Speaker 10 (32:06):
I think there's something we've got to take a long,
hard look at and look at outlawing it. To your point,
my home state of North Carolina has been looking at
this issue. They've actually had to build introduce that says
that within if you're within seventy five miles of a
military base in North Carolina, you cannot China cannot own.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
Land around that base. I think that's.
Speaker 10 (32:30):
Important not only for China, but for any of our adversaries.
Cannot be able to own the land and to your point,
and I think this president understands it with his whole
reciprocal pieces and his trade agreements.
Speaker 9 (32:43):
We can't go over to China and buy land, so why.
Speaker 10 (32:46):
In the world should they be allowed to come in
here and purchase it as well?
Speaker 9 (32:49):
So you raise a great point.
Speaker 10 (32:51):
I think there are issues that we've got to begin
to look at and take action on because this is
important for our security.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah. Yeah, there's no doubt.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
One of the things that we've highlighted over the last
few months, Congressman here at justin News in Real America's
voice is the large number of scientists that came from
countries of concern, predominantly China but also Iran that we're
getting embedded in the NIH and the USDA. Since we
started that reporting, NIH has looked at over a thousand
(33:21):
scientists and they're doing extreme vetting and they're going to
start to pull the visas Brooke Rollins announced on the
top of the show, she's already pulled the visas for
seventy such contractors and scientists there are USDA. Is it
something that Congress may need to put tighter roles on
the NIH and these scientific organizations to make sure they
don't let enemies, enemy scientists come into our country.
Speaker 10 (33:43):
Oh, I think that would be a very wise move.
And I think, frankly, when we continue to look at
this whole immigration issue, there are more and more things
just like that that we've got to be pinpointing and
taking the necessary steps and looking at it. There's so
many different ways with legal immigration to come into this country,
but we've got to be very careful with who is
(34:06):
coming into our border. We saw that with the whole
bioterrorism issue just recently with the folks coming in in
Michigan with the fungus that they were going to bring
in and how dangerous that was going to be to
the agriculture industry.
Speaker 9 (34:20):
And there's certainly some history to that from.
Speaker 10 (34:22):
Nineteen eighty four when there was an international salmonella contamination
just a religious group there in the Dulles, Oregon that
affected over one hundred and seventy seven hundred and fifty people.
So I think when you see some of the things
that have happened historically, it's something that we've got to
keep in mind and be far more careful in who
(34:44):
we're allowing into this country.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Yeah, I think we need to be leary of those
college kids.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I agree with that.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
I live in Michigan, so it hits close to home.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I do want to ask you about something else so
that I think is important when it comes to the
food supply in America. That's the Chinese ownership of Smithfield,
for example, one of the biggest packing plants in America.
China today in America owns something like twenty five or
thirty percent of all the hogs alive in America. They
are actually Chinese owned because they're owned by Smithfield. So
by extension you have that, you also have Syngenta, one
of the biggest seed producers in the world, owned by
(35:14):
the Chinese. I see that would be a considerable risk
worthy of consideration as well. What would you say, Well,
I think.
Speaker 10 (35:21):
It certainly is something we consider. Now we have Smithfield
here in North Carolina. I've got the opportunity to go
and tour their packing plant there and see what has
done a number of jobs there in eastern North Carolina.
But you certainly raised a great point, because we just
went through a theme just a few years ago where
(35:42):
the whole home farm situation was being turned upside down
here in North Carolina by big turning firms that were.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
Coming in and creating habit.
Speaker 10 (35:51):
But yeah, I think ownership of those companies that are
part of our food supply is.
Speaker 9 (35:57):
Something that certainly is game.
Speaker 10 (35:58):
And needs to be on the table, and we need
to be having those conversations, Sarah.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
One of the ways that our farms can be made
more resilient against this competition and sometimes very serious aggoctarism,
just making the farm economy more resilient. You did that
a lot with the big beautiful bill. There are just
so many provisions in there, including a change in the
inheritance tax that keeps farms in families for a long time.
But the next big one coming up is going to
(36:23):
be the Farm build tell us how important it is
and what sort of momentum you may have to achieve
some more stuff in that bill.
Speaker 9 (36:31):
Well, John Dan, You're exactly right.
Speaker 10 (36:33):
The Farm Bill is something that really should have been
approved back in twenty twenty four. Congress was unable to
get it passed, and so here we are facing it
once again.
Speaker 9 (36:42):
The Chairman of Thericulture Committee, G. G.
Speaker 10 (36:45):
Thompson, has done a really good job, I think in
strategically planning how we are moving the Farm Bill forward.
Speaker 9 (36:51):
As part of the Big Beautiful.
Speaker 10 (36:53):
Bill, while we had that opportunity in front of us
to do reconciliation, we took care of a large part.
Speaker 9 (37:00):
Of the Farm bill, not only dealing with snap.
Speaker 10 (37:03):
Which oftentimes becomes a real sticking point when we're trying
to do the things we need to do for our
farms across this country. And by taking care of that
and the One Big Beautiful Bill and reconciliation, we now
are facing things that I think really do have momentum,
really should have by partisan support so that we can
make sure that we get what Chairman is calling kind
(37:25):
of the skinny farm Bill or a two point zero
pasted later this year. So I'm confident that we're going
to be able to get there. We've been working hard
over these last couple of weeks, we've been having hearings
and getting ready for that, so I feel like there's
a lot of momentum and looking forward hopefully to seeing
that get over the finish line. For all of our farmers,
(37:46):
they need to know that we're there, we need to
know that the support is there. But again, as part
of the One Big Beautiful Bill, we took a big
chunk or a down payment if you will on finishing
the farm Bill before the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
It's us of getting things done, perhaps some of the
most improvements in over a generation of American farm policy,
some pretty big stuff. Congressman, As always, we love having
you on the show. Thanks for giving us such an
important update. All right, folks, we think cook of us
for break. We got another good one right around the corner.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
One of the best kind of expertsist countries ever, pretty
Scord Chank will join us, So Delvinkimore.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
About what time has plans to replace the US as
the world global food superpower.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
All right, so I'll tell you what they really plan
to do with us. That's next after he's.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Messages and welcome back everyone. Of the special editions of
Justin is no Noise. I'm Steve.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
You're co hosing with my good friend John Solomon. Tonight
we are doing part two into our deep dive around
agricultural terrorism and the concerns that.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
They pose for us. If we've already discussed, we.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Know China is beyond a lot of the plots around
hurting American agriculture, and we know why because it hurts
America's food supply. What better way to make your adversary
weaker than by making them hard to find food. It's
a terrifying concern that could become a reality. Another terrifying
reality is what would happen for the rest of the
world if there was famine in America. Jumping out to
(39:16):
discuss this is China expert and the author of Plan Red,
China's project to destroy America, Gordon g.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Chang.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
You can find him on exit Gordon g Chang. Gordon,
nice to see you again. Thank you for spending time
with us here tonight. Let's jump right into this if
America had a famine, because we've seen the Chinese and
their tentacles reach into the agricultural sector and one of
their objectives.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Would be to damage American agriculture.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
If that happened, if we lost thirty percent of our crop,
half our crop, what would it mean not just for us,
but for the rest of the world.
Speaker 11 (39:48):
This would be a shock that would reverberate everywhere. We
have to just look at something which was more, which
is small, which was the start of the war in
Ukraine that shocked culture around the world for two reasons.
First of all, weak prices tripled, and second of all,
fertilizer prices increased as well, because Ukraine produces urea, a
(40:10):
main component for much of the world's fertilizer. So we
saw what happened there, and the United States, which is
a much bigger agricultural player, the effect would be so
much greater. So we already have an example of what
could happen and we can just multiply that.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, great point, Gordon.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
I want to ask a little bit about what's happened
since the last time we had a conversation about this. Obviously,
five Cabinet secretaries got together. They announced a pretty sweeping plan,
everything from cybersecurity to farm our land, purchase reviews for foreigners.
What's your assessment of that plan, what Trump rolled out
and where are the gaps where Congress and the administration
(40:51):
still need to fill into more better fortify our food supply.
Speaker 11 (40:56):
Well, first of all, it's really important for the federal
government to realize this is an issue. So the National
Farm Security Action Plan that Brooke Rolins announced was really
important because it's getting people to think about these things.
Speaker 9 (41:10):
In terms of the gaps.
Speaker 11 (41:12):
I believe that no Chinese national should own farm or
ranch land in the United States, whether it's near a
military facility or not, and there are a lot of
reasons for that. So far in the United States hasn't
gone that far because we're talking about expropriation of land
for sales. But that's something that I think that we
(41:33):
absolutely need to do because we know of malign Chinese
activities on farm and ranch land, and it doesn't take
too much imagination to think what the Chinese could do
when they give the ghost signal to their agents, their operatives,
and their soldiers and their networks already in this country.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Wow, Bardon, let me dive into this part of it,
because what we saw that really raised the red flag
for a lot of us were University of Michigan students
caught with pathogens with fungus in their possession coming back
into the United States from China with the idea of
exploring what these funguses could do. That's the concern. But
my concern goes to cybersecurity. What about all these students,
(42:12):
What about all these college students are invested in Chinese
agriculture and so forth. How easy are their computers act?
We know China will steal intellectual property at will. They
don't care, They'll do it, and if they could break
into computers that have research in it, that's another weak
point in the chain, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Well, it certainly is.
Speaker 11 (42:32):
And we just saw this with the revelation that Microsoft
was using engineers in China to work on Defense Department programs,
and those engineers in China were basically unsupervised. They had
what's called digital x escorts, but those digital escorts really
didn't know what the Chinese engineers were doing in many cases.
(42:55):
You know, Microsoft software is used across the United States.
Just a couple of days ago, there were hacks on
about four hundred networks in our country, and including in
the Department of Energy.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
This is Department of Energy. It's not just oil and
gas wells.
Speaker 9 (43:12):
It's also nuclear weapons.
Speaker 11 (43:13):
And in fact, the agency inside the Department of Agency
responsible for our US was in fact hacked.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
So clearly, you know, when you.
Speaker 11 (43:23):
Talk about agriculture, you talk about anything else, the Chinese
basically have their run of our networks until we can
eliminate these back doors that have been put in because
we have been completely oblivious.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah, that's the problem. Ignorance has been one of our
greatest weaknesses.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Gordon.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
One of the things we talked about earlier in the
show with Seb Gorka, the counter Terrorism Director. Is the
idea that maybe long term, something like Sciphius being required
to review any foreign land transaction, whether it's agriculture or
near a military base.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Is that a path to take?
Speaker 1 (43:59):
What are of the ideas to make sure that these
land purchases aren't part of a strategic, non kinetic war
against us.
Speaker 11 (44:09):
We know that the Syfius process was broken, and we
know that because, for instance, the Chinese food processor food
Fung was able to purchase land within twelve miles of
Grand Forks Air Force Base, which is important because Grand
Forks has satellite uplinks and also links to drones, and
Grand Forks was not on a list of sensitive military
(44:32):
bases that gave Syphius jurisdiction, so they didn't have any
jurisdiction for that really critical purchase. Now that is being remedied,
but nonetheless we need blanket rules, Joring g.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Chang here with us. The urgency needs to be ramped
up here. We need to take those pray seriously, Gordon,
thank you so much for taking the time.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
To be here.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Well, thank you so much, guys.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
All Right, we'll take a break, We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Welcome Back in America to the special edition of Justin
Who's No Noise. We've been diving deep for a second
month now into the very serious issue of aggretarism and
food safety. A lot has happened in the month since
we began this conversation, and a lot happened on this show.
I want to bring in my amazing co host for
the night, Steve Gruber, whose idea was to do this collaboration.
I'm so grateful for Steve. We heard from the Agriculture Secretary,
(45:34):
We got a sense of what Congress was going to do.
But I thought some big ideas came out in the conversation.
The idea that maybe we teach treat farmland and farm
technology like a special asset that has to be reviewed
by Siphius, maybe banning outright China's ability to buy farmland.
There are some big ideas put on the table tonight there.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
Certainly we're I'm going to back to seb Gorka the
idea and you said it, John, we need to vet
these people. We need to vet the students that are
coming into the University of Michigan. Obviously at the forefront
with those students trying to bring in that fungus and
potentially damage the food supply here because it could take
out half the corn, wheat, beans, rice. And how devastating
would that be, not just here but around the world.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
And I think that's incredibly important.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
And you point out those one thousand scientists floating around
that are Chinese nationals, Chinese citizens of places like the
National Institutes of Health, And I say, what are we thinking.
We now know that China had access to computer systems
in America dating back many years now by way of
Bill Gates and Microsoft having access, and you just have
to wonder, China has no qualms about stealing intellectual property.
(46:42):
They have no qualms about taking what they learned here.
And if they went back to China and made crops
that were resistant to fungus or other pathogens and then
let those pathogens go here in America or in Argentina
or Ukraine or some of the other places preuse tremendous
amounts of food in this world, I mean, the effects
could be devastating. So I really like what you and
(47:03):
seb Grk and we're talking about, let's vet these people.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
We can't just let them come in. Oh, I'm a student.
We need to do better. We need to do better.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah, we do.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
And I think there's a down payment now on a
real strategy that Brooke Rollins and the other Cabinet secretaries
Christy Nome and Pam Bondi and Pete Hegseth unveiled early
this month about a couple weeks after our special But
much more.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Still needs to be done.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
One area that I wasn't thinking about until today was
the vulnerability of our farming industry to hackers and cybersecurity.
The farming industry is becoming automated. AI is going to
make it even more automated, whether it's automated dairy machines
or automated tractors in the field, they're vulnerable and it's
like all of our other connected devices in the world.
(47:47):
Brooke Rollins really seemed to have her finger on that
pulse and making sure that we get ahead of that
before that becomes a crisis.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Well, I've had the privilege and I don't know the
last time you were in the cab of a big
John Deere track. First of all, there as big as
a battleship. Some of these tracks, they're gigantic, and they
can plug in everything. You know, you've got your geotracking systems,
you got your AI, you can do these giant fields
in Illinois and Iowa and all over this country and
(48:15):
basically you're there as it's completely automated. The machine's moving,
and yes there's a human being in it. But because
of that, it's connected to satellites, it's connected to the cloud,
it's connected all these computer systems. And if the Chinese
or anybody else can figure out, well they're planning this
at this rate with this seed and some of these seeds.
As I mentioned Syngenta providing the seed, there's a lot
of place in there for some well for some monkey
(48:39):
business for lack of a better term, where they could
play with how we plant things, how we don't plant things,
what fertilizer cans use, what seeds get used, and they
can all get and extract this information and that high
tech system.
Speaker 4 (48:51):
We love it. It helps us, but it also has some vulnerabilities.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Clearly, it seemed like today we got a good sense that, uh,
Congress isn't sure what's gonna do yet, we gotta we
gotta get a better focus on it. Where do you
think Congress goes. It's a really important piece of legislation.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Normally it was automatic. Last year we whiffed on it.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
Well, you know, we've had some good years and bad
years for the farm Bill. WI Stavena, the former Senator
of my stay, usually was at the forefront there. She's retired,
of course. I just hope we can excuse me for this.
I hope we can plant the seeds for security in
our agricultural sector going forward. It's important it feeds the world,
not just America, but the world. We have to be
(49:34):
sensitive that, we have to be mindful of that. We
have to keep her eye on the ball, even with
all these other things going on, and boy has been
a busy news cycle, but nothing more important than the
food supply of this country for us and for everybody else.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
All right, folks, that'll wrap up our special conversation today
about aggretarism and food security.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Well off the weekend. We'll be back on Monday, regular
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