November 21, 2025 • 50 mins
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Segment A: SENATOR RON JOHNSON DISCUSSES HOW THE GOVERNMENT IS ROOTING OUT CORRUPTION
Segment B: CONGRESSMAN ERIC BURLISON ON REFORMING ENTITLEMENTS
Segment C: FORMER TRUMP ATTORNEY CHRISTINA BOBB ON GETTING ACCOUNTABILITY FOR GOVERNMENT WEAPONIZATION
Segment D: OBAMACARE FRAUD - HOW BIG IS IT?
Segment E: HOW ELIMINATING FRAUD CAN SAVE US MONEY
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Good evening, America, and welcome to this Just the News,
Real America's Voice special report. Our topic tonight tackling government corruption,
everything from weaponized justice to entitlement fraud. We want to
thank our partners at AMAC for joining us on this
critical conversation tonight. We're diving deep into the scandals eroding
trust in our institutions. A DJ accused of targeting President
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Trump and his allies through abusive probes like the FBI
Zontic Frost operation and billions of dollars lost to fraud
and entitledle probe. It's like Snap and Medicare and Medicaid,
even dead people getting billions of dollars of benefits being
sent to them long after they're gone. And Trump has
long pointed out that the DOJ, as well as America's
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intelligence agencies were weaponized under the Obama and bidendministrations. And
we also know that America's entitlement programs are bleeding the
country of its wealth, especially when a lot of those
entitlements are being fraudulently collected, oftentimes by foreigners. Tonight, we'll
explore how Congress can hold the line, expose the abuses
in root out the waste to protect taxpayers before we
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hit a debt cliff we can't recover from. We have
a powerful lineup of guests, including today Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson,
who's been leading the fight to hold those responsible for
both wasting our money and weaponizing our justice system. We'll
also have on Missouri Congressman Eric Burrowson, a voice for
entitlement reform on the Oversight Committee, as well as former
Trump attorney Christina bob facing her own case of alleged
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prosecutorial abuse in Arizona. And on the medical fraud topic,
we'll bring in Brian Blaze, president of Paragon Health Institute,
whose studies on the waste and fraud in Obamacare have
led Congress to an important discussion the next few weeks.
All of that is part of our great conversation too.
Before we get to bringing in our guests, I want
to bring in my amazing co host for the evening.
(02:09):
He's AMAX News Line editor in chief Shane Here. Shane,
great to have you on the show.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, thanks so much for having me, John. What we're
hearing from our members is that these topics are extremely
important to them. As you mentioned, the waste, fraud and
abuse in America's entitlement programs, what's going on with DOGE,
and now Archic Frost is coming out, and really this administration.
Just from one day to the next, we're learning more
about corruption that's been going on in the federal government,
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which is exactly what President Trump was talking about on
the campaign trail last year. We're hearing from our more
than two million members every day that they want to
see more done to stop this, and so I'm excited
to get into it with our guests and learn more
about what we as the American people can do to
root out and stop the waste, fraud, and abuse in
government so important.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I was at the Patriot boot camp in Virginia just
a couple of weeks ago, and a person came up
to me there and said, there's only two things I
want before I hand off my country to my children.
I want some of my money back, and I want
my justice system back. And I thought that was such
a profound statement that someone understood that this path we've
been on is not only unsustainable, it's downright on American
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and I know a lot of AMAC members feel like
that member. It was a special event and a lot
of special people they're Shane, so great, great alliance among
the patriots who are association and mature American citizen members, AMAX.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Good stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
All right.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I can't think of a better way that we could
kick off the show than what I call who I
call the voice of Reason in Congress. He has been
relentless in trying to get his colleagues to focus on
commis and solutions through the wasteful and unsustainable spending and
to also all the corruption that has come from the
Biden years, the Obama years, and weaponized justice. He chairs
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the most powerful Senate investigative body, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee
on Investigations. He is Wisconsin and Senator Ron Johnson, Senator.
Great to have you on the show today.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Hello john the Hello Shane, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You have done more than anyone I can think of
in the Senate to shine a light on these problems
and to put meaningful solutions on the table, things like
just rolling back to the spending patterns before the COVID
era to just kind of get the budget stabilized.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Are we in any better shape?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Do we have a political will in Congress to change course?
Or is it going to still be a struggle.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
You know, I'm not the most uplifting character. No, we
got a real problem here.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
Let's step back and let's take a look at this
from three thousand foot view here. Yeah, I come from manufacturing.
You solve a lot of problems in manufacturing. There's a
process you have to go through. If you first have
to admit you have the problem, then you have to
properly define it. And so you know, you're talking about
wasting government. The the root cause of this problem literally
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is the radicalization of the Democrat Party starting with Barack Obama.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Remember Bill Clinton.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
Actually with New Gingrich, we had surpluses at the tail
end of the twentieth century. So it's literally the radicalization
of the Democrat Party, which then took over power under Obama.
They started weaponizing all these agencies. They burrowed in leftists
in throughout government, and we're living with the results what
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we are witnessing currently. When you start looking at the
Arctic frost investigations, you see the dragnet undertaken by Jack Smith,
targeting not just President Trump, not just members of Congress,
but ordinary American citizens for example, thirty eight wisconsinites. I
know most these people that they're just good patriots that
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they're god fearing, country loving law enforcement supporting people who
got caught up in that dragnet. Is Jack Smith weaponized
the agency and tried to criminalize what JFK did in
having an ultima electors when there's a dispute, for example
in Hawaii. So this is the Left is running circles
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around the right in terms of non governmental organizations, in
terms of legal groups that are engaged in this lawfare
against ordinary American citizens. I mean the civil lawsuits against
ultimately electors in Wisconsin and other states. It's just it's
flying under the radar because the left also controls the
legacy media.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
So this is an enormous problem.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
We can drill down to the individual problems, like the
complete miserable fare of Obamacare and how Democrats are trying
to mask that failure with these literally over ten years,
more than a trillion dollars in subsidies to mass the
fact that Obamacare caused premiums to skyrocket on the individual market.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
So we can talk about.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
Those, you know, the fraud and snap and in medicaid
expansion and you know, all these areas, but the root
cause is the radicalization of the Democrat Party who is
pushing bigger government because they just want power. Is the
unifying factor of Democrats is they want to acquire and
maintain power. They don't care who they destroy in that
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acquisition maintenance of power.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, Senator, thanks so much for being here. And as
you mentioned, this goes all the way back to Obama,
most recently with the Arctic frost investigation. So I kind
of want to take things thirty thousand foot for a level,
thirty thousand feet for a moment. Nobody has been on
the front lines of this more than you, going back
to twenty fifteen to now, really the story of President
Trump's rise, his first term and now a second term
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has been him fighting against the swamp and the swamp
fighting back. Your thoughts on what needs to be done
to actually win that fight. We've seen a lot of progress,
but as we saw with Arctic frost, you know, the
left is really pushing back on this. What do we
do to actually make some legitimate and permanent progress in
this fight?
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Well, again, he was fighting back against the radicalized Democrat
Party and all their operatives. I mean to call it
the swamp is I think it's doing a disservice to
really what the problem is. These are Democrats who want power,
and so from the minute that Donald Trump came down
that escalator, they realized he was going to be a
disruptive technology that they knew he was upset the apple cart,
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and so they had destroy him, and they pulled out
all the stops to destroy him and anybody around him.
And then they just got in boldened by the success,
the fact that they weren't caught, that they were actually
able to engineer the Mole investigation even though they knew
the Russian inclusion was a complete hoax, a dirty trick
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by the Hillary Clinton campaign. Again, that's what people need
to understand. Clearly, this isn't this is an issue of government.
I mean government might be able to be reformed. This
is a problem of a radicalized left having completely taken
over the Democrat Party. You know, we're a two party
system here, and now we've got one that is completely radicalized,
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only interested in their quest for power.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
They don't care who they destroy. Look at the most
recent shutdown, they didn't.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
Care that government employees of the American people were paying
the price. They're being used as pawns in this highly
politicized dysfunction.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
That was their goal.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
They wanted to make sure that the American economy doesn't
succeed so they can say, oh, it's all the Republican's fault.
They're in control. Vote for us in the next two elections.
That's their game plan here.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
It's sick.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
So the reason they abuse government is they've made it
so large, and it seems like a very simple prescriptive
antidote to this would be to shrink the resource that
funds and empowers that machinery of abuse. President Trump this
week put a propos on a table to get rid
of the Education Department, not get rid of the funds
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that go to the states and local schools, just get
rid of the layer of bureocracy.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
That's done.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Nothing can something like that even get through Congress or
are you concerned that the Senate can't get the sixty
votes on that?
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Well, again, that's why I've reluctantly agreed with the President Trump,
because he's completely right. When Democrats regain power, they will
they will in the filibuster. So we better act first,
and when we do it, we'll do it for the
ben for the American public. We'll do it to pass
good laws like you know, eliminate the prime education, secure
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our elections, you know, fully secure our border, hopefully repair
the damage done by Obiommeacare, and transition to as system
that actually works for the American people, improves health outcomes
and health health health care throughout America. That's not what
the Democrats will do in they on the filibus.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
So they'll they'll.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Add more Democrats, sanitars, they'll pat Supreme Court. It'll all
be about maintaining their power. And that's what people, that's
what Republican Zine understand you. Unfortunately, we've got some big
spending Republicans in our ranks as well. You know, we're
not in mind because we don't have that unifying goal
of acquisition of power.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
We have different ideas. We've got a broad spectrum.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
But I'm hoping, I'm hoping that my other Republican colleges
come see the light as we just witnessed the obnoxious
obstruction by Democrat day after day. They got to understand
that this wasn't about healthcare. The shutdown was not about
the subsidies they used as an excuse.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
This was about.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
Shutting down the government, taking our economy so they could
run a change election blame Republicans for the fact that
we have been able to bring prices down.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
They just want power.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
And Senator, speaking of power and the abuses of power,
I want to return for a moment to the Arctic
frost investigation, which I know that you've been intimately involved with.
As you mentioned, target not only President Trump and sitting
members of Congress, but also everyday Americans, including I think
you said thirty some people in Wisconsin. And I want
to ask you what your prognosis is or what your
hope is to get some real justice for that. What
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do you think needs to be done to punish those
responsible and do you think we're going to get there?
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Well, the first line of accountability is exposure. It's the
most important thing. I just met with a Pambondi Justice
Department yesterday. She's totally dedicated, as his cash pattel to
find the documents, get the documents, to make them public
so the American public understands how outrageous this weaponization of
government is. The problem is you've got burrowed in partisan
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actors still in the Justice Department and the FBI. They're
having a hard time staffing those agencies because of the
weaponization I mean, it doesn't take a dictator, doesn't take
too many hangings in the public square to get the
population to fall online.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
And that's what the Democrat Party, all.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Their operatives, all these outside legal groups, that's what they've
been doing. They've been weaponizing government against ordinary citizens.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
So people are reluctant to throw away.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Their legal career to join the Justice Department for three
years under Trump, they'll be blackball, they'll be disbarred. Okay,
So it's a real problem. That's why I'm saying that
the left is running circles around us because they don't
care who they destroyed. They don't follow the rules. The
rules are for somebody else, and because in control of
the media, they never called on the outrage.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Senator, I want to turn to something that was recently
turned over to a new cash of documents involving Hillary
Clinton's corruption. You did so much to show the Biden
family corruption, but the Clinton Foundation and its ability to
cle money from people who needed decisions from Hillary Clinton
hasn't ever really gotten its full airing. Even though you
tried your darness going all the way back to fourteen, fifteen,
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and sixteen. What have you learned in the new files,
and is there still some crimes to be prosecuted even
though they may be years old.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Yeah, I got not prosecuted, So I don't really understand
all the statute limitations how they apply to different crimes. Now,
what we found out is basically the Justice Department, the
deep state actors and partisans in the Justice Department, preventing
any of that prosecution for moving forward. They just blocked it.
And they're able to do that, they're able to frustrate. Mean,
let's face it, we know that the federal agencies did
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everything they could to sabotage the first Trump administration.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
They're still at it.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
They're trying to sabotage everything this administration is trying to do.
So that is the root cause I think the Clinton
behavior is outrageous. You know, people like Peter Schweizer, people
like yourself, investigative journals who point this out.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
We basically know these things, but.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
We don't have a We don't have a single system
of justice here that holds everybody equally accountable. We have
a duel or a multi tier system of justice. And
that's not what our founders envisioned at all. But that's
the sad fact. And again the Democrats also have the media,
they have all these NGOs, they have all these outside
legal groups that are carrying out their agenda, and I'm afraid,
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I'm afraid to report concerntives simply don't have that. We
have a tea party movement, which, let's be honest, it
was pretty well marginalized by a lot of established Republicans,
you know, once it you know, once it was developed,
and so so those those outside groups that advocated they
were a pushback, you know, some balance to the lectis groups.
They just don't have the power they used to have.
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We need, we need to re energize conservative groups to
push back and be a counter and a balance to
all the liberal groups out there.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah, Senator, before we go, I want to say some
I almost never disagree with you, but you said at
the beginning of this interview that you aren't uplifting. I
actually think people find a truth teller in Washingteam to
be very uplifting. You give it to us straight, you
don't sugarcoat it, you don't spin us, You tell it
what it's really like. And I have to tell you,
for those of us who want truth, it is kind
of uplifting.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
So I'll disagree with you one time, but thanks for
joining us. Say good to have you on the show.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Thanks for doing the opportunity.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
You have a great day.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, we appreciate you every time you come on. All right, folks,
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in just a second. Welcome back to America to this
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Just the News, Real America's Voice, special report, but attacking
the issue of government corruption.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
That's something very close to your hearts.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
We've been talking about it on the show, and tonight
we're going to lead into some of the solutions. I'm
still joined by AMAC Newsline Editor in chief Shane Harris.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Guest is a man who has led.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
The fight against weaponization and also wasteful spending in Washington.
He's a member of the House Oversight Committee, and he's been
one of the champions of fighting for a title reform.
He's Congressman Eric Perlson in the Great Stateium. So good
to have you on the show.
Speaker 8 (17:14):
Great to be on.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
All right, So there is a lot of important discussions
going on in Washington that we haven't had in a
long time. Things like Medicaid were just off limits for
a long time. But folks like you and Chip Roy
and Chairman Harris are all working on entitlement reform, particularly
medicaid reform. Tell us why now and what are some
of the best ideas you know.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
The Medicaid reform that we were able to get accomplished
in the One big Beautiful Bill was monumental and something
that this town never thought in a million years that
we could we could accomplish, And I'm proud to be
a member of Congress where we were actually able to
make some changes to eliminate the waste, fraud, and abuse
within the Medicaid system. Now we need to take on
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the healthcare system for.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
Everyone else.
Speaker 9 (18:07):
You know, everyone's health insurance premiums are going through the roof.
Obamacare has been proven to be an abject failure. It
was the only thing that's successful in is destroying the
healthcare economy and forcing us down the road of single
pair system. And so while we have the Republican majority
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that we have, we cannot waste this time or this opportunity.
We need to do reconciliation two point zero. We need
to go back in to reconciliation and fix Obamacare. And
I don't mean I'm saying dig the whole thing out completely,
eliminate it, or provide an alternative that no one will
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want to stay in Obamacare. So provide a free market,
like a super HSA account that lets people people pick whatever.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
Insurance plan that they want.
Speaker 9 (19:03):
Instead of having your employer pick your plan, or government
pick your plan and your network and your doctors and
your pharmaceuticals, the patient should be able to pick their doctors,
pick their insurance plan, pick the hospital they want to
be a part of that will actually start driving down costs,
and so.
Speaker 8 (19:23):
We need to be doing this.
Speaker 9 (19:24):
We need to be having this conversation today.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, Congressman, you mentioned Medicaid reform, which is obviously an
issue of top concern for our AMAC members, many of
whom are older Americans rely on medicaid. And you mentioned Obamacare,
and that's something you know. When Obamacare first passed, AMAC
was leading the charge against it, and it's sort of
has died down in recent years, but it's kind of
crept back into the news. And so from your insider perspective,
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what do you think the chances are of actually getting
some major reform or even a full repeal of Obamacare
As you're in these discussions and especially after the government
shutdown where this was a major issue, what do you
think the next steps are and what's your analysis of
our odds of getting that done.
Speaker 9 (20:09):
The more that people talk about it, the better our
odds get. And I think that the impetus has been
created because the Democrats were demanding us for US to
be able to extend the COVID era enhanced subsidies for Obamacare,
and those subsidies were checks that were literally not written
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to people, who was written to insurance carriers. The whole
system is designed to enrich insurance carriers and eliminate choice
for the patients and the consumers. So I think that
there's temptation by some moderate Republicans to extend that passed
the election. They believe, some of them believe they need
to do that to win their election. And my response
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is the whole everyone's health insurance premiums are going up
by about twenty percent, and if you pass these extended
Obamacare enhanced subsidies, you might reduce that to an increase
of seventeen percent. Do you think the American consumer is
going to thank you. No, they won't recognize.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
Any of it.
Speaker 9 (21:13):
If anything, we're just putting this nation into more debt
and throwing money down down the drain towards the program
that absolutely does not work. So I think that if
Republicans feel the political pressure to do something about healthcare,
that's good, because we need to tackle.
Speaker 8 (21:30):
This topic and I'm ready to do it. Chip Roy
and I have.
Speaker 9 (21:34):
Been talking about this for quite some time, or in fact,
we're doing white paper focus groups tonight even to try
to drill down on a solution that the American people
will love.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
That's important.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
An alternative, credible alternative, will make it go a big
way to solving the problem.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Something that you've really focused on.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
The JO does it really well, but you have taken
a look at just the fast fraud and sometimes improper
billing and proper payments. I think about two hundred billion
you tracked last year and some of the welfare programs.
This gets highlighted every year. It never gets fixed. Is
this the window where we finally get it fixed? It
seems like it should be easy to tell if you're
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paying someone who doesn't deserve it. You should be able
to figure it out pretty quickly.
Speaker 9 (22:20):
Yeah, we should, and DOGE did a great effort in
identifying that they and a lot of that work, to
your point, was already identified by the.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
Office of Inspector Generals.
Speaker 9 (22:30):
And for example, we know that the government loses two
hundred and thirty three billion to improper payments and five
hundred and twenty one billion annually to fraud, and so
that is huge and Congress needs to step up and
do something about it.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
And there's simple things that we can do.
Speaker 9 (22:50):
For example, we could require that the Sole Security Administration
provide their full death report to some of these agency
so that when somebody has died, you think that they'll
you think that when somebody has died and the government's
removed their or you know, mark that down as in
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the social Security system, that all the other systems would
fall a suit. But the left hand does not know
what the right hand does in this town.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
So we need to we need to build some.
Speaker 9 (23:21):
Interfaces and connections between all of these systems.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, in Congressman, I want to tie this back to
one of the hot hot button political issues or the
hot button political terms that's being thrown around a lot today,
and that's affordability. And I wanted to give you a
chance to talk a little bit about how addressing the
waste fraud abuse will actually make life more affordable. Because
if the government isn't spending so much on things that
doesn't need to be spending money on, that makes everyday
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life affordable for the American people.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
It absolutely does.
Speaker 9 (23:52):
Look, every dollar that government spends in deficit spending is
inflationary spending. So when we're spending two trillion dollars more
every year than we bring in, then we that by
definition is printing money and diluting the value of every
person's dollar, and therefore every time you go to this
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to buy something, you got to put forward more dollars this.
It's we have got to restrain ourselves and reduce spending.
And if we can do that, we will see inflation
go down.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
It might even reverse if we could.
Speaker 9 (24:27):
If we could dramatically reduce spending, and we would also
see interest rates come down. So when the government is
spending two trillion dollars more, we have to take that
out in debt, which means we're out there shopping for
the debt in order to pay in order to continue
our spending problem. And when we're shopping, we're basically competing
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with consumers or businesses who are looking to take out
loans or debt, and that's driving up interest rates.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
You could the Fed could lower rates all.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
Day long, but the market for the for in the
demand is what's it's what's keeping interest rates, you know,
statically high.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
And so that's government. At the end of the day.
Government has to reduce it spent expenditures.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Great to have you on the show, Congress, and what
an honor to have on tonight.
Speaker 8 (25:17):
Anytime, John's an honor for me.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah, we love having you on.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
You've got such a big work. All right, folks, big
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We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Welcome back everybody to this just the News, Real America's Voice,
special report. I'm joined again by my good friends at AMAC,
specifically AMAC News Lines Shane Harrison. Our next guest is
Christina Bob, former Trump attorney and current Judicial Watch litigator.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
She's also the author of an.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Extraordinary book called Define and Encourage everybody to get a
great read.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Christina, great to have you back on the show.
Speaker 10 (26:26):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
John.
Speaker 10 (26:27):
I'm thrilled to be here.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
We love having you.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
We're talking about abuses and corruption and waste and fraud,
and you can't have that conversation about government if we
don't talk about the weaponization of what happened in the
justice system. You've written an extraordinary book. You witness that
systemic abuse firsthand. Tell us are returning to corner. Is
this the moment where accountability and a turn occurs.
Speaker 10 (26:54):
Well, we're definitely at the crossroads for sure, whether we've
made the right turn or not. Personally, I'm still kind
of waiting to see how that plays out. I was
hoping to see the Department of Justice come out a
little bit more aggressive. You know, I do give them
credit that these types of cases are complex and trying
to weed this out is not a simple task. So
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I'm trying to be patient, but I am eager to
see the direction that we end up taking, because we
are at a turning point.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, and Christina just kind of building on that idea
a little bit. You're somebody who's seen firsthand the law
fair and the weaponization of government. Moving forward over the
next several months, the next couple of years, what would
you like to see from the Trump DJ to kind
of ensure that some of the stuff that we saw
last year doesn't happen again in the future.
Speaker 10 (27:45):
Personally, and maybe a bit selfishly, I would like to
see whether it's criminal charges or criminal referrals, or the
civil litigation section her Meet Dyllan section one way. I
don't to be honest, I don't necessarily care which way
it goes. But we need to see the Department of
Justice weeding out civilly or criminally with prosecutions the people
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that have been targeting regular ordinary Americans that are just
trying to exercise their civil rights and support the candidate
of their choice. I was part of that. It was
the whole Arctic frost that got pushed all the way
down to the state and local level. President Trump just
pardoned I want to say, seventy seven folks myself included,
largely symbolically, but still a very important symbol of what's
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going on at the state level. I think Americans see
a lot of the high level stuff between Donald Trump
and Letitia James and Komy and you know, the people
that kind of they look like elitists above just the
common man. And I don't think Americans really appreciate how
much their own rights are in danger. If they just
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so happened to support the wrong candidate, or god forbid,
they actually become successful at voicing their opinions, they'll be targets.
So personally, I would like to see more of the
cases targeted on the Arctic frost aspect of things that
actually we're targeting ordinary Americans, I would say, illegally.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, Christina, I'm so glad you mentioned that, because I
think a lot of the headlines they talk about President Trump,
they talk about the spying that went on on members
of Congress. But the message that you've always pushed and
that I think is really important, is that if they
can do this to President Trump, if they can do
this to sitting members of Congress, they can do it
to anybody. And as you mentioned with Arctic frost, you know,
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beneath the national headlines was everyday Americans who were really
impacted by this, And so I'd just like to get
your take on the continuing threat to everyday Americans. You know,
if we didn't have a Trump administration, if we do
have another Democrat administration somewhere down the line, what are
the threats that still need to be addressed, either from
an administration standpoint or what more importantly, what does Congress
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need to do to ensure that this doesn't happen again.
Speaker 10 (29:53):
Well, I think Congress the most important thing they can
do is pass comprehensive election reform, mean past the reformations
that President Trump wants, voter ID, no mail in ballots
are only for very limited situations in person voting, one
day voting, no ballots received after the election. Do what
they can to secure the elections as best as possible,
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because if our elections are not secure and you have
rogue people from whichever party running the Department of Justice
in these state organizations, I mean, the American people have
effectively lost their voice. They're going to get thrown in jail,
and they're not going to be able to effectively through
elections elect the people of their choice. So if whether
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the Department of Justice actually brings charges that could clean
some of this out kind of remains to be seen.
But as far as I can tell, Congress really hasn't
done much of kind of plugging the other hole, which
is all of the shenanigans going on within our elections.
We have to have both of those. You know, there's
lots of issues to tackle in our nation, but if
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you don't have clean elections and you don't have a
clean justice department, I mean, our liberties are very very
much at stake.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I want to stay on that subject, Christina, because I
think it's so important. We were born in this country
in part because our founding fathers chiefed at the idea
that the British system had general warrants, meaning they could
look anywhere and try to find a crime rather than
just investigating something. Nearly Arctic frost was basically a giant dragnet.
They were just dragging the ocean looking for any rusty
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license plate they could hang on a person. How do
we get reforms to things like FAISA and Title III,
which allows people's phone records to be taken because it's
obviously way too easy to get people's private data without
a real cause of action one thousand percent.
Speaker 10 (31:43):
And I love this topic because it's the Republican topic.
Republicans are the ones that continue to double down allowing
these PISA warrants, allowsing PAISA and all of the procedures
that go along with it to continue, and so I
was particularly upset, you know, and I understand the Senators
have come out and said it's not what it means.
You know, it's not what it looked like. But the
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senators that said, you know, the eight senators that snuck
that provision in allowing five hundred thousand dollars for themselves
but not for anybody else who was actually harmed and
actually knew that they were being targeted. To me, I
think that was that really highlighted the symptom, or maybe
even the root cause is I think Republicans, and I
say this as a strong conservative, I think the Republicans
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in office today are a bit out of touch with
the concerns of the Republican base. And I think that
little if you want to call the snafoo, you know,
that's my friendly way. I think they've missed the mark,
and I think they I don't believe that the Republicans
in Congress right now really understand how important that issue
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is to their constituents, because if they did, they wouldn't
be voting the way they do. And then on the
other side of that, I don't think the American people
really truly understand how much Republicans are to blame for it.
Speaker 8 (32:58):
I think it's easy to get all of.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
The lawfair against Donald Trump and all the lawfare against Republicans,
and people who may not be in DC or may
not be in the news regularly don't realize that it's
actually Republicans that are enabled, you know, in some ways
enabling that to happen. By the way they're voting on surveillance.
It's Republicans that are the surveillance party. And the good
news about that is we can change it. We can
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just change it because that's our side that's doing it.
But so far they haven't.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Absolutely, When Christina, I just wanted to get your thoughts
and you sort of hit on this. I know that
President Trump gave you a pardon, and I think that
that speaks to his ability to understand that this is
an issue to the base, not because you did anything wrong,
but as sort of a symbolic gesture that he sees
you and the everyday Americans who have been impacted by this.
(33:54):
Wanted to give you a chance to just give your
thoughts on what that meant to you and what it
says about him as someone who understands this issue.
Speaker 10 (34:00):
You Yeah, no, I really appreciate it. You know, it's
not going to directly impact my state case, but it's
it did help bring it back into the news because
I think a lot of people assumed that when President
Trump won the election, all of those cases just went away,
and they didn't. We've all still been fighting it month
after month after month for over a year at this point,
for while for over a year past the election, you know,
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eighteen months for me, and I know two to three
years in some of the other states. But so it
was the thing that I was really grateful for about
it was it brought it back into the news for
people to go, oh, that's still going on. So that
was great. And then the other side of that was,
you know, I think Donald Trump is trying really hard
to accomplish the agenda and to represent the people who
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put him in office, and his Department of Justice has
not pursued this. You know, I filed my whistleblower complaint
that's out for people to see, and I think at
least on the civil side, they can look into a
lot of the abuses that stem from Arctic frost and
step in and help help these Americans that are still
facing these or doesn't we haven't seen that come out.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
Of this DOJ yet.
Speaker 10 (35:02):
So I also took it as Donald Trump trying to
kind of make up a little bit for where his
DOJ is lacking.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, I have a funny feeling it's going to be
a very busy winter for the Justice Department. I have
a good idea for people who want to learn a
little bit of what the system's like too. They can
read your amazing book to find Christina. It's a great book.
You do such great work. Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 11 (35:24):
Thanks so much, John, Yeah, I appreciate.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
You so much.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
All Right, folks, what a great conversation. Go check that
book out. It's absolutely chilling to read.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
What Christina went through. It's it's amazing. All right.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Up after the Blake, Brian Blaze, a Paragon Health Institute
will discuss finding billions of dollars in Obamacare fraud. And
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Speaker 1 (36:11):
Welcome back to America to this just the News Reil
America's Voice special brought to you by our friends at AMAC.
I'm still joined by my amazing coast Tonight, Shane Harrison,
it's time to bring in Brian Blaze, president of Paragon
Health Institute and former Special Assistant to the President for
Economic Policy under President Trump.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Brian, great to have you on the show.
Speaker 7 (36:30):
It's great to be here, John, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
All right.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
So we've been talking this whole show about ways that
the government and taxpayers end up losing money because of
waste and efficiency, fraud, corruption. When it comes to Obamacare,
you've done an awful lot to show the American people
how corrupt and how inefficient.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
This program is. Tell us a little bit about it.
Speaker 12 (36:53):
Yeah, So the main problem is these expanded subsidies that
were enacted during a pandemic to help Americans make sure
that they didn't lose health coverage. But they've had massively negative,
unintended consequences that have exacerbated fraud. What they did is
create fully subsidized plans and give incentives for unscrupulous brokers
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and agents to manipulate the applications of enrollees so that
they form their application to be eligible for these fully
subsidized plans even when they weren't. That generated big commissions
for agents and brokers. It also generated big profits for
health insurance companies. If health insurance companies, they get these
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subsidies or payments directly from the US Treasury into their coffer.
And it turns out you can roll a lot more
people in the program if individuals don't have to pay
a penny for the coverage. So we did an analysis
in the Greater Obamacare enrollment fraud that found that there
were six point four million improper enrollees in this program
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that don't have the income that they have on their
application to qualify for these fully subsidized plans, and that
has led so many of these visuals don't know that
they're covered. They were misled by schemes advertising free plans,
advertising cash gift cards if they gave their information that
was necessary for enrollment. So you have massive improper enrollment,
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big benefits to health insurance companies, and we now see
millions and millions of these enrollees twelve million in twenty
twenty four. In fact, didn't use their health plan a
single time in twenty twenty four, So no doctor service,
no prescription, no lab test. So basically what we have
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is Washington sending enormous payments to health insurance companies on
behalf of people who don't know they're covered, have other
coverage and don't benefit from the plan and all.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
One thing that I'd like to point out and have
you expand on is what this means for not only
Americans who are paying for all these subsidies and all
this fraud, but for Americans who just have their own
private health insurance.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
How does this affect them and the rates that they're paying.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
So that's a great question.
Speaker 12 (39:19):
You know, Obamacare had underlying features that have increased commercial prices,
so that there has been there's higher payments, largely because
of a lot of the consolidation that's happened with Obamacare.
You do have people that have private insurance paying additional
premiums because of that, but most the biggest effect is
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rising tax burdens, rising inflation, rising interest rates. So all
of this wasteful spending just one it has to be financed.
It's now financed by deficits, and all of deficits. Higher
deficits mean higher interest rates, higher inflation. These expanded Obamacare subsidies,
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which were part of the COVID response, were a contributing
factor to the rising inflation that Americans suffered under during
the Biden administration.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
That just amazing, Brian.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
I want to ask a little bit about do any
Americans get any of these subsidies or do they just
go straight to the insurance companies? Right then, the people
were trying to help, Actually don't touch this money at all,
do they.
Speaker 12 (40:38):
No, they are payments directly from the treasury to health
insurance companies. Now individuals they benefit from having to pay
less out of pocket premium because there's a shift in
the responsibility to the tax payer. But people don't have
control over the subsidies. They go directly to the insurance companies.
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They have limited ability to use the subsidies in ways,
either on plans or on care that they think is
the best fit. You know, one of the things that
we think is important to both improve healthcare and also
to reduce all of the waste and fraud is to
realign incentives. So if the government is sending subsidies for
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lower income Americans to those Americans and giving them the
ability to choose the health care services that work best
for them.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
That's a way to dramatically.
Speaker 12 (41:32):
Reduce the waste that's resulted from all of these subsidies.
You know, health insurance companies have been the big winner
from Obamacare. They have benefited from the fraud. If you
look at some of their financial reports, they indicate that
there is a material risk if the government starts to
take action to reduce the improper spending and fraud in
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the exchanges. And their stock price has increased three times
faster than the general S and P increase since Obamacare
took effect.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yeah, simply incredible.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
And Brian, let me let me ask you this the
level of fraud that we're seeing with all this what
you've just described to us, is this all some big
accident or was this by design? In other words, when
the Democrats set Obamacare in motion over a decade ago,
is this really what they were trying to get us
to all along?
Speaker 7 (42:30):
You know, that's a good question.
Speaker 12 (42:33):
I think that you know, the Democrats when they enacted Obamacare,
I think they were genuine in their desire that the
law work, and they wanted to create a individual market,
so the place where people go that don't get employer
sponsor insurance that offered more competitive plans. I just think
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it was very ill designed, and because of its ill designed,
it didn't create more affordable health coverage. You know, premiums
and deductibles increased for coverage that had increasingly narrow networks,
meaning that it didn't cover a lot of the best
hospitals and doctors in regions. Rather than dealing with the
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underlying flaws in Obamacare and looking for bipartisan solutions, they
just layered a massive additional subsidies to health insurers to
prop up a program that is failing. It is now
nearly eighty five percent of the entire market is the
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revenues that insurers receive are subsidies or payments from the
federal government. That is not a sign of a healthy
competitive market. That's a sign of a market that has
been damaged by excessive government regulation and mandates and subsidies.
And what these subsidies do is that they perpetuate a cycle.
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Your premiums and prices continue to increase. So we need
to stop the throwing good money after bad money. And
the key to reforming Obamacare and the American health sector
is to stop subsidizing insurers for offering inferior products and
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to realign incentives so that insurers actually provide coverage that
Americans value.
Speaker 7 (44:27):
And we'll spend their own money.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
On one thing.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
I'm certain that, Brien, we've done a lot of work
based on the Paragon Health Institute's great research. You have
the roadmap. Congress just needs to pay attention, great honor
to have you on the show, my friend.
Speaker 7 (44:42):
Thank you very much, appreciate you saying that.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, folks, go check all the great work paraguns and
they understand this better than anything. All Right, Shannon and
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Speaker 1 (45:18):
Welcome back everybody to this Just the News, Real America's
Voice special Report.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
I'm joined by my good.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Friend Shane Harris at AMAC and it's time now to
bring in our final guests of the evening, and he
can tell us the consequences of fraudulent spending and entitlements
and what that means for the overall economy and the
individual American taxpert.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
People like you and me.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
He's a physical policy fellow Americans for prosperity.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
He is Urt Cauchman. Kurt, good to have you back
on the show.
Speaker 7 (45:43):
Hey, it's great to be here with you.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
All right. I love when we do this.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
You've helped us understand how we got to this thirty
eight trillion dollar monstrosity that's a deficit and debt. Help
us understand we're waste, fraud, abuse, and I guess corruption
is some preeze gets us to this unattainable future.
Speaker 11 (46:04):
Well, the American taxpayers are shelling out hundreds of billions
of dollars every single year that is going straight in
the pockets of fraudsters. Every program has this unique characteristics,
and there are lots and lots of different ways for
people to cheat the system. During the pandemic, there were
literally hundreds of billions of dollars that were stolen when
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all that money went out to help people get through
the consequences of the shutdowns and the lockdowns.
Speaker 7 (46:30):
And all of that.
Speaker 11 (46:30):
Some of them were international criminal gangs, and the problem
is that one we just don't have enough agency oversight.
That starting to change. We saw Secretary of Agriculture Brook
Rawlins saying that people are going to have to reapply
for SNAP benefits because there's just so much fraud in
the system, she says, So it's a real cost on
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the American people. It's also making it harder for people
that are eligible for the programs to get access to them.
We see that especially in healthcare. And there's so much
work left to be done. There was some progress made
by the Reconciliation Bill this summer, but there's just a
lot more to be done, and some of it has
to do with fixing the underlying incentives for members of
Congress to care more about these things.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, yeah, and Eric, if I could ask you to
expand a little bit more on that. So what we've
seen from the Trump administration is that they've been very
committed to fighting waste, fraud and abuse in the federal government.
Congress has sort of dragged its feet a little bit,
but we know that Republicans won't control Congress forever, and
they won't control the White House forever, and they may
actually have a very short window before the midterms next
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year to do something long term about the waste, fraud,
and abuse.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
So, from your perspective, what would you.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Like to see get done in the next ten to
twelve months to make some of these reforms more permanent.
Speaker 11 (47:45):
Well, everyone needs to do as much as they possibly
can during the time that they have a lot of
things are pretty sticky in Washington. You do a regulation,
you improve program integrity, and those things will last for
a long period of time. You change the laws even
more so. The ultimate goal, however, is to get Congress
to be thinking, hey, what's the best way to provide
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value for the American people? And right now they don't
really have a system that's set up for that. They
have an appropriations process, which is great, but it's only
about a quarter of spending and none of the revenue.
Speaker 7 (48:17):
A lot of the.
Speaker 11 (48:17):
Programs where the fraud, the waste, and the abuse are
so rampant, are not in the appropriations process. They're in
the other three fourths of spending. Sometimes they're through provisions
of the tax code. And so if you want to
get Congress to be an active participant in raining all
that nonsense in. You need to get Congress looking at
the entire federal budget, all the spending, all the revenue,
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all the tax preferences within per committee spending caps, so
that they have an incentive to manage within their portfolios
for the best value. And that means going after and
having political cover to go after the nonsense that's out
there right now. The incentives for that a pretty week
because oftentimes there are people that are getting paid because
of some with this nonsense, and then they come into
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the lobby Congress. Not the criminal element, of course, because
those people are not going to be going to the politicians,
but you know people of legitimate businesses that benefit indirectly from.
Speaker 7 (49:14):
Some of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Kurt, you guys do such amazing work at Americans for Prosperity, smart,
forward thinking solutions.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
Great honor to have you on the show today.
Speaker 7 (49:23):
Thanks for joining us, Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
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Speaker 4 (49:57):
I have a good night.
Good evening, America, and welcome to this Just the News,
Real America's Voice special report. Our topic tonight tackling government corruption,
everything from weaponized justice to entitlement fraud. We want to
thank our partners at AMAC for joining us on this
critical conversation tonight. We're diving deep into the scandals eroding
trust in our institutions. A DJ accused of targeting President
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Trump and his allies through abusive probes like the FBI
Zontic Frost operation and billions of dollars lost to fraud
and entitledle probe. It's like Snap and Medicare and Medicaid,
even dead people getting billions of dollars of benefits being
sent to them long after they're gone. And Trump has
long pointed out that the DOJ, as well as America's
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intelligence agencies were weaponized under the Obama and bidendministrations. And
we also know that America's entitlement programs are bleeding the
country of its wealth, especially when a lot of those
entitlements are being fraudulently collected, oftentimes by foreigners. Tonight, we'll
explore how Congress can hold the line, expose the abuses
in root out the waste to protect taxpayers before we
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hit a debt cliff we can't recover from. We have
a powerful lineup of guests, including today Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson,
who's been leading the fight to hold those responsible for
both wasting our money and weaponizing our justice system. We'll
also have on Missouri Congressman Eric Burrowson, a voice for
entitlement reform on the Oversight Committee, as well as former
Trump attorney Christina bob facing her own case of alleged
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prosecutorial abuse in Arizona. And on the medical fraud topic,
we'll bring in Brian Blaze, president of Paragon Health Institute,
whose studies on the waste and fraud in Obamacare have
led Congress to an important discussion the next few weeks.
All of that is part of our great conversation too.
Before we get to bringing in our guests, I want
to bring in my amazing co host for the evening.
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He's AMAX News Line editor in chief Shane Here. Shane,
great to have you on the show.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, thanks so much for having me, John. What we're
hearing from our members is that these topics are extremely
important to them. As you mentioned, the waste, fraud and
abuse in America's entitlement programs, what's going on with DOGE,
and now Archic Frost is coming out, and really this administration.
Just from one day to the next, we're learning more
about corruption that's been going on in the federal government,
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which is exactly what President Trump was talking about on
the campaign trail last year. We're hearing from our more
than two million members every day that they want to
see more done to stop this, and so I'm excited
to get into it with our guests and learn more
about what we as the American people can do to
root out and stop the waste, fraud, and abuse in
government so important.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I was at the Patriot boot camp in Virginia just
a couple of weeks ago, and a person came up
to me there and said, there's only two things I
want before I hand off my country to my children.
I want some of my money back, and I want
my justice system back. And I thought that was such
a profound statement that someone understood that this path we've
been on is not only unsustainable, it's downright on American
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and I know a lot of AMAC members feel like
that member. It was a special event and a lot
of special people they're Shane, so great, great alliance among
the patriots who are association and mature American citizen members, AMAX.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Good stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
All right.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I can't think of a better way that we could
kick off the show than what I call who I
call the voice of Reason in Congress. He has been
relentless in trying to get his colleagues to focus on
commis and solutions through the wasteful and unsustainable spending and
to also all the corruption that has come from the
Biden years, the Obama years, and weaponized justice. He chairs
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the most powerful Senate investigative body, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee
on Investigations. He is Wisconsin and Senator Ron Johnson, Senator.
Great to have you on the show today.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Hello john the Hello Shane, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You have done more than anyone I can think of
in the Senate to shine a light on these problems
and to put meaningful solutions on the table, things like
just rolling back to the spending patterns before the COVID
era to just kind of get the budget stabilized.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Are we in any better shape?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Do we have a political will in Congress to change course?
Or is it going to still be a struggle.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
You know, I'm not the most uplifting character. No, we
got a real problem here.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
Let's step back and let's take a look at this
from three thousand foot view here. Yeah, I come from manufacturing.
You solve a lot of problems in manufacturing. There's a
process you have to go through. If you first have
to admit you have the problem, then you have to
properly define it. And so you know, you're talking about
wasting government. The the root cause of this problem literally
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is the radicalization of the Democrat Party starting with Barack Obama.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Remember Bill Clinton.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
Actually with New Gingrich, we had surpluses at the tail
end of the twentieth century. So it's literally the radicalization
of the Democrat Party, which then took over power under Obama.
They started weaponizing all these agencies. They burrowed in leftists
in throughout government, and we're living with the results what
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we are witnessing currently. When you start looking at the
Arctic frost investigations, you see the dragnet undertaken by Jack Smith,
targeting not just President Trump, not just members of Congress,
but ordinary American citizens for example, thirty eight wisconsinites. I
know most these people that they're just good patriots that
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they're god fearing, country loving law enforcement supporting people who
got caught up in that dragnet. Is Jack Smith weaponized
the agency and tried to criminalize what JFK did in
having an ultima electors when there's a dispute, for example
in Hawaii. So this is the Left is running circles
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around the right in terms of non governmental organizations, in
terms of legal groups that are engaged in this lawfare
against ordinary American citizens. I mean the civil lawsuits against
ultimately electors in Wisconsin and other states. It's just it's
flying under the radar because the left also controls the
legacy media.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
So this is an enormous problem.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
We can drill down to the individual problems, like the
complete miserable fare of Obamacare and how Democrats are trying
to mask that failure with these literally over ten years,
more than a trillion dollars in subsidies to mass the
fact that Obamacare caused premiums to skyrocket on the individual market.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
So we can talk about.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
Those, you know, the fraud and snap and in medicaid
expansion and you know, all these areas, but the root
cause is the radicalization of the Democrat Party who is
pushing bigger government because they just want power. Is the
unifying factor of Democrats is they want to acquire and
maintain power. They don't care who they destroy in that
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acquisition maintenance of power.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, Senator, thanks so much for being here. And as
you mentioned, this goes all the way back to Obama,
most recently with the Arctic frost investigation. So I kind
of want to take things thirty thousand foot for a level,
thirty thousand feet for a moment. Nobody has been on
the front lines of this more than you, going back
to twenty fifteen to now, really the story of President
Trump's rise, his first term and now a second term
(07:45):
has been him fighting against the swamp and the swamp
fighting back. Your thoughts on what needs to be done
to actually win that fight. We've seen a lot of progress,
but as we saw with Arctic frost, you know, the
left is really pushing back on this. What do we
do to actually make some legitimate and permanent progress in
this fight?
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Well, again, he was fighting back against the radicalized Democrat
Party and all their operatives. I mean to call it
the swamp is I think it's doing a disservice to
really what the problem is. These are Democrats who want power,
and so from the minute that Donald Trump came down
that escalator, they realized he was going to be a
disruptive technology that they knew he was upset the apple cart,
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and so they had destroy him, and they pulled out
all the stops to destroy him and anybody around him.
And then they just got in boldened by the success,
the fact that they weren't caught, that they were actually
able to engineer the Mole investigation even though they knew
the Russian inclusion was a complete hoax, a dirty trick
(08:47):
by the Hillary Clinton campaign. Again, that's what people need
to understand. Clearly, this isn't this is an issue of government.
I mean government might be able to be reformed. This
is a problem of a radicalized left having completely taken
over the Democrat Party. You know, we're a two party
system here, and now we've got one that is completely radicalized,
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only interested in their quest for power.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
They don't care who they destroy. Look at the most
recent shutdown, they didn't.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
Care that government employees of the American people were paying
the price. They're being used as pawns in this highly
politicized dysfunction.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
That was their goal.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
They wanted to make sure that the American economy doesn't
succeed so they can say, oh, it's all the Republican's fault.
They're in control. Vote for us in the next two elections.
That's their game plan here.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
It's sick.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
So the reason they abuse government is they've made it
so large, and it seems like a very simple prescriptive
antidote to this would be to shrink the resource that
funds and empowers that machinery of abuse. President Trump this
week put a propos on a table to get rid
of the Education Department, not get rid of the funds
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that go to the states and local schools, just get
rid of the layer of bureocracy.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
That's done.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Nothing can something like that even get through Congress or
are you concerned that the Senate can't get the sixty
votes on that?
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Well, again, that's why I've reluctantly agreed with the President Trump,
because he's completely right. When Democrats regain power, they will
they will in the filibuster. So we better act first,
and when we do it, we'll do it for the
ben for the American public. We'll do it to pass
good laws like you know, eliminate the prime education, secure
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our elections, you know, fully secure our border, hopefully repair
the damage done by Obiommeacare, and transition to as system
that actually works for the American people, improves health outcomes
and health health health care throughout America. That's not what
the Democrats will do in they on the filibus.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
So they'll they'll.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Add more Democrats, sanitars, they'll pat Supreme Court. It'll all
be about maintaining their power. And that's what people, that's
what Republican Zine understand you. Unfortunately, we've got some big
spending Republicans in our ranks as well. You know, we're
not in mind because we don't have that unifying goal
of acquisition of power.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
We have different ideas. We've got a broad spectrum.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
But I'm hoping, I'm hoping that my other Republican colleges
come see the light as we just witnessed the obnoxious
obstruction by Democrat day after day. They got to understand
that this wasn't about healthcare. The shutdown was not about
the subsidies they used as an excuse.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
This was about.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
Shutting down the government, taking our economy so they could
run a change election blame Republicans for the fact that
we have been able to bring prices down.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
They just want power.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
And Senator, speaking of power and the abuses of power,
I want to return for a moment to the Arctic
frost investigation, which I know that you've been intimately involved with.
As you mentioned, target not only President Trump and sitting
members of Congress, but also everyday Americans, including I think
you said thirty some people in Wisconsin. And I want
to ask you what your prognosis is or what your
hope is to get some real justice for that. What
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do you think needs to be done to punish those
responsible and do you think we're going to get there?
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Well, the first line of accountability is exposure. It's the
most important thing. I just met with a Pambondi Justice
Department yesterday. She's totally dedicated, as his cash pattel to
find the documents, get the documents, to make them public
so the American public understands how outrageous this weaponization of
government is. The problem is you've got burrowed in partisan
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actors still in the Justice Department and the FBI. They're
having a hard time staffing those agencies because of the
weaponization I mean, it doesn't take a dictator, doesn't take
too many hangings in the public square to get the
population to fall online.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
And that's what the Democrat Party, all.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Their operatives, all these outside legal groups, that's what they've
been doing. They've been weaponizing government against ordinary citizens.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
So people are reluctant to throw away.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Their legal career to join the Justice Department for three
years under Trump, they'll be blackball, they'll be disbarred. Okay,
So it's a real problem. That's why I'm saying that
the left is running circles around us because they don't
care who they destroyed. They don't follow the rules. The
rules are for somebody else, and because in control of
the media, they never called on the outrage.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Senator, I want to turn to something that was recently
turned over to a new cash of documents involving Hillary
Clinton's corruption. You did so much to show the Biden
family corruption, but the Clinton Foundation and its ability to
cle money from people who needed decisions from Hillary Clinton
hasn't ever really gotten its full airing. Even though you
tried your darness going all the way back to fourteen, fifteen,
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and sixteen. What have you learned in the new files,
and is there still some crimes to be prosecuted even
though they may be years old.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Yeah, I got not prosecuted, So I don't really understand
all the statute limitations how they apply to different crimes. Now,
what we found out is basically the Justice Department, the
deep state actors and partisans in the Justice Department, preventing
any of that prosecution for moving forward. They just blocked it.
And they're able to do that, they're able to frustrate. Mean,
let's face it, we know that the federal agencies did
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everything they could to sabotage the first Trump administration.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
They're still at it.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
They're trying to sabotage everything this administration is trying to do.
So that is the root cause I think the Clinton
behavior is outrageous. You know, people like Peter Schweizer, people
like yourself, investigative journals who point this out.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
We basically know these things, but.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
We don't have a We don't have a single system
of justice here that holds everybody equally accountable. We have
a duel or a multi tier system of justice. And
that's not what our founders envisioned at all. But that's
the sad fact. And again the Democrats also have the media,
they have all these NGOs, they have all these outside
legal groups that are carrying out their agenda, and I'm afraid,
(14:52):
I'm afraid to report concerntives simply don't have that. We
have a tea party movement, which, let's be honest, it
was pretty well marginalized by a lot of established Republicans,
you know, once it you know, once it was developed,
and so so those those outside groups that advocated they
were a pushback, you know, some balance to the lectis groups.
They just don't have the power they used to have.
(15:14):
We need, we need to re energize conservative groups to
push back and be a counter and a balance to
all the liberal groups out there.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah, Senator, before we go, I want to say some
I almost never disagree with you, but you said at
the beginning of this interview that you aren't uplifting. I
actually think people find a truth teller in Washingteam to
be very uplifting. You give it to us straight, you
don't sugarcoat it, you don't spin us, You tell it
what it's really like. And I have to tell you,
for those of us who want truth, it is kind
of uplifting.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
So I'll disagree with you one time, but thanks for
joining us. Say good to have you on the show.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Thanks for doing the opportunity.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
You have a great day.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, we appreciate you every time you come on. All right, folks,
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Just the News, Real America's Voice, special report, but attacking
the issue of government corruption.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
That's something very close to your hearts.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
We've been talking about it on the show, and tonight
we're going to lead into some of the solutions. I'm
still joined by AMAC Newsline Editor in chief Shane Harris.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Guest is a man who has led.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
The fight against weaponization and also wasteful spending in Washington.
He's a member of the House Oversight Committee, and he's been
one of the champions of fighting for a title reform.
He's Congressman Eric Perlson in the Great Stateium. So good
to have you on the show.
Speaker 8 (17:14):
Great to be on.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
All right, So there is a lot of important discussions
going on in Washington that we haven't had in a
long time. Things like Medicaid were just off limits for
a long time. But folks like you and Chip Roy
and Chairman Harris are all working on entitlement reform, particularly
medicaid reform. Tell us why now and what are some
of the best ideas you know.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
The Medicaid reform that we were able to get accomplished
in the One big Beautiful Bill was monumental and something
that this town never thought in a million years that
we could we could accomplish, And I'm proud to be
a member of Congress where we were actually able to
make some changes to eliminate the waste, fraud, and abuse
within the Medicaid system. Now we need to take on
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the healthcare system for.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
Everyone else.
Speaker 9 (18:07):
You know, everyone's health insurance premiums are going through the roof.
Obamacare has been proven to be an abject failure. It
was the only thing that's successful in is destroying the
healthcare economy and forcing us down the road of single
pair system. And so while we have the Republican majority
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that we have, we cannot waste this time or this opportunity.
We need to do reconciliation two point zero. We need
to go back in to reconciliation and fix Obamacare. And
I don't mean I'm saying dig the whole thing out completely,
eliminate it, or provide an alternative that no one will
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want to stay in Obamacare. So provide a free market,
like a super HSA account that lets people people pick whatever.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
Insurance plan that they want.
Speaker 9 (19:03):
Instead of having your employer pick your plan, or government
pick your plan and your network and your doctors and
your pharmaceuticals, the patient should be able to pick their doctors,
pick their insurance plan, pick the hospital they want to
be a part of that will actually start driving down costs,
and so.
Speaker 8 (19:23):
We need to be doing this.
Speaker 9 (19:24):
We need to be having this conversation today.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, Congressman, you mentioned Medicaid reform, which is obviously an
issue of top concern for our AMAC members, many of
whom are older Americans rely on medicaid. And you mentioned Obamacare,
and that's something you know. When Obamacare first passed, AMAC
was leading the charge against it, and it's sort of
has died down in recent years, but it's kind of
crept back into the news. And so from your insider perspective,
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what do you think the chances are of actually getting
some major reform or even a full repeal of Obamacare
As you're in these discussions and especially after the government
shutdown where this was a major issue, what do you
think the next steps are and what's your analysis of
our odds of getting that done.
Speaker 9 (20:09):
The more that people talk about it, the better our
odds get. And I think that the impetus has been
created because the Democrats were demanding us for US to
be able to extend the COVID era enhanced subsidies for Obamacare,
and those subsidies were checks that were literally not written
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to people, who was written to insurance carriers. The whole
system is designed to enrich insurance carriers and eliminate choice
for the patients and the consumers. So I think that
there's temptation by some moderate Republicans to extend that passed
the election. They believe, some of them believe they need
to do that to win their election. And my response
(20:52):
is the whole everyone's health insurance premiums are going up
by about twenty percent, and if you pass these extended
Obamacare enhanced subsidies, you might reduce that to an increase
of seventeen percent. Do you think the American consumer is
going to thank you. No, they won't recognize.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
Any of it.
Speaker 9 (21:13):
If anything, we're just putting this nation into more debt
and throwing money down down the drain towards the program
that absolutely does not work. So I think that if
Republicans feel the political pressure to do something about healthcare,
that's good, because we need to tackle.
Speaker 8 (21:30):
This topic and I'm ready to do it. Chip Roy
and I have.
Speaker 9 (21:34):
Been talking about this for quite some time, or in fact,
we're doing white paper focus groups tonight even to try
to drill down on a solution that the American people
will love.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
That's important.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
An alternative, credible alternative, will make it go a big
way to solving the problem.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Something that you've really focused on.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
The JO does it really well, but you have taken
a look at just the fast fraud and sometimes improper
billing and proper payments. I think about two hundred billion
you tracked last year and some of the welfare programs.
This gets highlighted every year. It never gets fixed. Is
this the window where we finally get it fixed? It
seems like it should be easy to tell if you're
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paying someone who doesn't deserve it. You should be able
to figure it out pretty quickly.
Speaker 9 (22:20):
Yeah, we should, and DOGE did a great effort in
identifying that they and a lot of that work, to
your point, was already identified by the.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
Office of Inspector Generals.
Speaker 9 (22:30):
And for example, we know that the government loses two
hundred and thirty three billion to improper payments and five
hundred and twenty one billion annually to fraud, and so
that is huge and Congress needs to step up and
do something about it.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
And there's simple things that we can do.
Speaker 9 (22:50):
For example, we could require that the Sole Security Administration
provide their full death report to some of these agency
so that when somebody has died, you think that they'll
you think that when somebody has died and the government's
removed their or you know, mark that down as in
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the social Security system, that all the other systems would
fall a suit. But the left hand does not know
what the right hand does in this town.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
So we need to we need to build some.
Speaker 9 (23:21):
Interfaces and connections between all of these systems.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, in Congressman, I want to tie this back to
one of the hot hot button political issues or the
hot button political terms that's being thrown around a lot today,
and that's affordability. And I wanted to give you a
chance to talk a little bit about how addressing the
waste fraud abuse will actually make life more affordable. Because
if the government isn't spending so much on things that
doesn't need to be spending money on, that makes everyday
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life affordable for the American people.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
It absolutely does.
Speaker 9 (23:52):
Look, every dollar that government spends in deficit spending is
inflationary spending. So when we're spending two trillion dollars more
every year than we bring in, then we that by
definition is printing money and diluting the value of every
person's dollar, and therefore every time you go to this
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to buy something, you got to put forward more dollars this.
It's we have got to restrain ourselves and reduce spending.
And if we can do that, we will see inflation
go down.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
It might even reverse if we could.
Speaker 9 (24:27):
If we could dramatically reduce spending, and we would also
see interest rates come down. So when the government is
spending two trillion dollars more, we have to take that
out in debt, which means we're out there shopping for
the debt in order to pay in order to continue
our spending problem. And when we're shopping, we're basically competing
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with consumers or businesses who are looking to take out
loans or debt, and that's driving up interest rates.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
You could the Fed could lower rates all.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
Day long, but the market for the for in the
demand is what's it's what's keeping interest rates, you know,
statically high.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
And so that's government. At the end of the day.
Government has to reduce it spent expenditures.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Great to have you on the show, Congress, and what
an honor to have on tonight.
Speaker 8 (25:17):
Anytime, John's an honor for me.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah, we love having you on.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
You've got such a big work. All right, folks, big
commercial break, Well let me come back. Former Trump attorney
Christina Bob will discuss the weaponized justice system she's experienced
first and now, as before we do that, then we're
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Speaker 1 (26:05):
Welcome back everybody to this just the News, Real America's Voice,
special report. I'm joined again by my good friends at AMAC,
specifically AMAC News Lines Shane Harrison. Our next guest is
Christina Bob, former Trump attorney and current Judicial Watch litigator.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
She's also the author of an.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Extraordinary book called Define and Encourage everybody to get a
great read.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Christina, great to have you back on the show.
Speaker 10 (26:26):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
John.
Speaker 10 (26:27):
I'm thrilled to be here.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
We love having you.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
We're talking about abuses and corruption and waste and fraud,
and you can't have that conversation about government if we
don't talk about the weaponization of what happened in the
justice system. You've written an extraordinary book. You witness that
systemic abuse firsthand. Tell us are returning to corner. Is
this the moment where accountability and a turn occurs.
Speaker 10 (26:54):
Well, we're definitely at the crossroads for sure, whether we've
made the right turn or not. Personally, I'm still kind
of waiting to see how that plays out. I was
hoping to see the Department of Justice come out a
little bit more aggressive. You know, I do give them
credit that these types of cases are complex and trying
to weed this out is not a simple task. So
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I'm trying to be patient, but I am eager to
see the direction that we end up taking, because we
are at a turning point.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, and Christina just kind of building on that idea
a little bit. You're somebody who's seen firsthand the law
fair and the weaponization of government. Moving forward over the
next several months, the next couple of years, what would
you like to see from the Trump DJ to kind
of ensure that some of the stuff that we saw
last year doesn't happen again in the future.
Speaker 10 (27:45):
Personally, and maybe a bit selfishly, I would like to
see whether it's criminal charges or criminal referrals, or the
civil litigation section her Meet Dyllan section one way. I
don't to be honest, I don't necessarily care which way
it goes. But we need to see the Department of
Justice weeding out civilly or criminally with prosecutions the people
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that have been targeting regular ordinary Americans that are just
trying to exercise their civil rights and support the candidate
of their choice. I was part of that. It was
the whole Arctic frost that got pushed all the way
down to the state and local level. President Trump just
pardoned I want to say, seventy seven folks myself included,
largely symbolically, but still a very important symbol of what's
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going on at the state level. I think Americans see
a lot of the high level stuff between Donald Trump
and Letitia James and Komy and you know, the people
that kind of they look like elitists above just the
common man. And I don't think Americans really appreciate how
much their own rights are in danger. If they just
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so happened to support the wrong candidate, or god forbid,
they actually become successful at voicing their opinions, they'll be targets.
So personally, I would like to see more of the
cases targeted on the Arctic frost aspect of things that
actually we're targeting ordinary Americans, I would say, illegally.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, Christina, I'm so glad you mentioned that, because I
think a lot of the headlines they talk about President Trump,
they talk about the spying that went on on members
of Congress. But the message that you've always pushed and
that I think is really important, is that if they
can do this to President Trump, if they can do
this to sitting members of Congress, they can do it
to anybody. And as you mentioned with Arctic frost, you know,
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beneath the national headlines was everyday Americans who were really
impacted by this, And so I'd just like to get
your take on the continuing threat to everyday Americans. You know,
if we didn't have a Trump administration, if we do
have another Democrat administration somewhere down the line, what are
the threats that still need to be addressed, either from
an administration standpoint or what more importantly, what does Congress
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need to do to ensure that this doesn't happen again.
Speaker 10 (29:53):
Well, I think Congress the most important thing they can
do is pass comprehensive election reform, mean past the reformations
that President Trump wants, voter ID, no mail in ballots
are only for very limited situations in person voting, one
day voting, no ballots received after the election. Do what
they can to secure the elections as best as possible,
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because if our elections are not secure and you have
rogue people from whichever party running the Department of Justice
in these state organizations, I mean, the American people have
effectively lost their voice. They're going to get thrown in jail,
and they're not going to be able to effectively through
elections elect the people of their choice. So if whether
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the Department of Justice actually brings charges that could clean
some of this out kind of remains to be seen.
But as far as I can tell, Congress really hasn't
done much of kind of plugging the other hole, which
is all of the shenanigans going on within our elections.
We have to have both of those. You know, there's
lots of issues to tackle in our nation, but if
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you don't have clean elections and you don't have a
clean justice department, I mean, our liberties are very very
much at stake.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I want to stay on that subject, Christina, because I
think it's so important. We were born in this country
in part because our founding fathers chiefed at the idea
that the British system had general warrants, meaning they could
look anywhere and try to find a crime rather than
just investigating something. Nearly Arctic frost was basically a giant dragnet.
They were just dragging the ocean looking for any rusty
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license plate they could hang on a person. How do
we get reforms to things like FAISA and Title III,
which allows people's phone records to be taken because it's
obviously way too easy to get people's private data without
a real cause of action one thousand percent.
Speaker 10 (31:43):
And I love this topic because it's the Republican topic.
Republicans are the ones that continue to double down allowing
these PISA warrants, allowsing PAISA and all of the procedures
that go along with it to continue, and so I
was particularly upset, you know, and I understand the Senators
have come out and said it's not what it means.
You know, it's not what it looked like. But the
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senators that said, you know, the eight senators that snuck
that provision in allowing five hundred thousand dollars for themselves
but not for anybody else who was actually harmed and
actually knew that they were being targeted. To me, I
think that was that really highlighted the symptom, or maybe
even the root cause is I think Republicans, and I
say this as a strong conservative, I think the Republicans
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in office today are a bit out of touch with
the concerns of the Republican base. And I think that
little if you want to call the snafoo, you know,
that's my friendly way. I think they've missed the mark,
and I think they I don't believe that the Republicans
in Congress right now really understand how important that issue
(32:47):
is to their constituents, because if they did, they wouldn't
be voting the way they do. And then on the
other side of that, I don't think the American people
really truly understand how much Republicans are to blame for it.
Speaker 8 (32:58):
I think it's easy to get all of.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
The lawfair against Donald Trump and all the lawfare against Republicans,
and people who may not be in DC or may
not be in the news regularly don't realize that it's
actually Republicans that are enabled, you know, in some ways
enabling that to happen. By the way they're voting on surveillance.
It's Republicans that are the surveillance party. And the good
news about that is we can change it. We can
(33:22):
just change it because that's our side that's doing it.
But so far they haven't.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Absolutely, When Christina, I just wanted to get your thoughts
and you sort of hit on this. I know that
President Trump gave you a pardon, and I think that
that speaks to his ability to understand that this is
an issue to the base, not because you did anything wrong,
but as sort of a symbolic gesture that he sees
you and the everyday Americans who have been impacted by this.
(33:54):
Wanted to give you a chance to just give your
thoughts on what that meant to you and what it
says about him as someone who understands this issue.
Speaker 10 (34:00):
You Yeah, no, I really appreciate it. You know, it's
not going to directly impact my state case, but it's
it did help bring it back into the news because
I think a lot of people assumed that when President
Trump won the election, all of those cases just went away,
and they didn't. We've all still been fighting it month
after month after month for over a year at this point,
for while for over a year past the election, you know,
(34:20):
eighteen months for me, and I know two to three
years in some of the other states. But so it
was the thing that I was really grateful for about
it was it brought it back into the news for
people to go, oh, that's still going on. So that
was great. And then the other side of that was,
you know, I think Donald Trump is trying really hard
to accomplish the agenda and to represent the people who
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put him in office, and his Department of Justice has
not pursued this. You know, I filed my whistleblower complaint
that's out for people to see, and I think at
least on the civil side, they can look into a
lot of the abuses that stem from Arctic frost and
step in and help help these Americans that are still
facing these or doesn't we haven't seen that come out.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
Of this DOJ yet.
Speaker 10 (35:02):
So I also took it as Donald Trump trying to
kind of make up a little bit for where his
DOJ is lacking.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, I have a funny feeling it's going to be
a very busy winter for the Justice Department. I have
a good idea for people who want to learn a
little bit of what the system's like too. They can
read your amazing book to find Christina. It's a great book.
You do such great work. Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 11 (35:24):
Thanks so much, John, Yeah, I appreciate.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
You so much.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
All Right, folks, what a great conversation. Go check that
book out. It's absolutely chilling to read.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
What Christina went through. It's it's amazing. All right.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Up after the Blake, Brian Blaze, a Paragon Health Institute
will discuss finding billions of dollars in Obamacare fraud. And
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Speaker 1 (36:11):
Welcome back to America to this just the News Reil
America's Voice special brought to you by our friends at AMAC.
I'm still joined by my amazing coast Tonight, Shane Harrison,
it's time to bring in Brian Blaze, president of Paragon
Health Institute and former Special Assistant to the President for
Economic Policy under President Trump.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Brian, great to have you on the show.
Speaker 7 (36:30):
It's great to be here, John, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
All right.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
So we've been talking this whole show about ways that
the government and taxpayers end up losing money because of
waste and efficiency, fraud, corruption. When it comes to Obamacare,
you've done an awful lot to show the American people
how corrupt and how inefficient.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
This program is. Tell us a little bit about it.
Speaker 12 (36:53):
Yeah, So the main problem is these expanded subsidies that
were enacted during a pandemic to help Americans make sure
that they didn't lose health coverage. But they've had massively negative,
unintended consequences that have exacerbated fraud. What they did is
create fully subsidized plans and give incentives for unscrupulous brokers
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and agents to manipulate the applications of enrollees so that
they form their application to be eligible for these fully
subsidized plans even when they weren't. That generated big commissions
for agents and brokers. It also generated big profits for
health insurance companies. If health insurance companies, they get these
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subsidies or payments directly from the US Treasury into their coffer.
And it turns out you can roll a lot more
people in the program if individuals don't have to pay
a penny for the coverage. So we did an analysis
in the Greater Obamacare enrollment fraud that found that there
were six point four million improper enrollees in this program
(38:05):
that don't have the income that they have on their
application to qualify for these fully subsidized plans, and that
has led so many of these visuals don't know that
they're covered. They were misled by schemes advertising free plans,
advertising cash gift cards if they gave their information that
was necessary for enrollment. So you have massive improper enrollment,
(38:29):
big benefits to health insurance companies, and we now see
millions and millions of these enrollees twelve million in twenty
twenty four. In fact, didn't use their health plan a
single time in twenty twenty four, So no doctor service,
no prescription, no lab test. So basically what we have
(38:50):
is Washington sending enormous payments to health insurance companies on
behalf of people who don't know they're covered, have other
coverage and don't benefit from the plan and all.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
One thing that I'd like to point out and have
you expand on is what this means for not only
Americans who are paying for all these subsidies and all
this fraud, but for Americans who just have their own
private health insurance.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
How does this affect them and the rates that they're paying.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
So that's a great question.
Speaker 12 (39:19):
You know, Obamacare had underlying features that have increased commercial prices,
so that there has been there's higher payments, largely because
of a lot of the consolidation that's happened with Obamacare.
You do have people that have private insurance paying additional
premiums because of that, but most the biggest effect is
(39:43):
rising tax burdens, rising inflation, rising interest rates. So all
of this wasteful spending just one it has to be financed.
It's now financed by deficits, and all of deficits. Higher
deficits mean higher interest rates, higher inflation. These expanded Obamacare subsidies,
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which were part of the COVID response, were a contributing
factor to the rising inflation that Americans suffered under during
the Biden administration.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
That just amazing, Brian.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
I want to ask a little bit about do any
Americans get any of these subsidies or do they just
go straight to the insurance companies? Right then, the people
were trying to help, Actually don't touch this money at all,
do they.
Speaker 12 (40:38):
No, they are payments directly from the treasury to health
insurance companies. Now individuals they benefit from having to pay
less out of pocket premium because there's a shift in
the responsibility to the tax payer. But people don't have
control over the subsidies. They go directly to the insurance companies.
(40:58):
They have limited ability to use the subsidies in ways,
either on plans or on care that they think is
the best fit. You know, one of the things that
we think is important to both improve healthcare and also
to reduce all of the waste and fraud is to
realign incentives. So if the government is sending subsidies for
(41:21):
lower income Americans to those Americans and giving them the
ability to choose the health care services that work best
for them.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
That's a way to dramatically.
Speaker 12 (41:32):
Reduce the waste that's resulted from all of these subsidies.
You know, health insurance companies have been the big winner
from Obamacare. They have benefited from the fraud. If you
look at some of their financial reports, they indicate that
there is a material risk if the government starts to
take action to reduce the improper spending and fraud in
(41:55):
the exchanges. And their stock price has increased three times
faster than the general S and P increase since Obamacare
took effect.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yeah, simply incredible.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
And Brian, let me let me ask you this the
level of fraud that we're seeing with all this what
you've just described to us, is this all some big
accident or was this by design? In other words, when
the Democrats set Obamacare in motion over a decade ago,
is this really what they were trying to get us
to all along?
Speaker 7 (42:30):
You know, that's a good question.
Speaker 12 (42:33):
I think that you know, the Democrats when they enacted Obamacare,
I think they were genuine in their desire that the
law work, and they wanted to create a individual market,
so the place where people go that don't get employer
sponsor insurance that offered more competitive plans. I just think
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it was very ill designed, and because of its ill designed,
it didn't create more affordable health coverage. You know, premiums
and deductibles increased for coverage that had increasingly narrow networks,
meaning that it didn't cover a lot of the best
hospitals and doctors in regions. Rather than dealing with the
(43:17):
underlying flaws in Obamacare and looking for bipartisan solutions, they
just layered a massive additional subsidies to health insurers to
prop up a program that is failing. It is now
nearly eighty five percent of the entire market is the
(43:38):
revenues that insurers receive are subsidies or payments from the
federal government. That is not a sign of a healthy
competitive market. That's a sign of a market that has
been damaged by excessive government regulation and mandates and subsidies.
And what these subsidies do is that they perpetuate a cycle.
(44:00):
Your premiums and prices continue to increase. So we need
to stop the throwing good money after bad money. And
the key to reforming Obamacare and the American health sector
is to stop subsidizing insurers for offering inferior products and
(44:21):
to realign incentives so that insurers actually provide coverage that
Americans value.
Speaker 7 (44:27):
And we'll spend their own money.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
On one thing.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
I'm certain that, Brien, we've done a lot of work
based on the Paragon Health Institute's great research. You have
the roadmap. Congress just needs to pay attention, great honor
to have you on the show, my friend.
Speaker 7 (44:42):
Thank you very much, appreciate you saying that.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, folks, go check all the great work paraguns and
they understand this better than anything. All Right, Shannon and
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Go check it out. During the break, we'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Welcome back everybody to this Just the News, Real America's
Voice special Report.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
I'm joined by my good.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Friend Shane Harris at AMAC and it's time now to
bring in our final guests of the evening, and he
can tell us the consequences of fraudulent spending and entitlements
and what that means for the overall economy and the
individual American taxpert.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
People like you and me.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
He's a physical policy fellow Americans for prosperity.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
He is Urt Cauchman. Kurt, good to have you back
on the show.
Speaker 7 (45:43):
Hey, it's great to be here with you.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
All right. I love when we do this.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
You've helped us understand how we got to this thirty
eight trillion dollar monstrosity that's a deficit and debt. Help
us understand we're waste, fraud, abuse, and I guess corruption
is some preeze gets us to this unattainable future.
Speaker 11 (46:04):
Well, the American taxpayers are shelling out hundreds of billions
of dollars every single year that is going straight in
the pockets of fraudsters. Every program has this unique characteristics,
and there are lots and lots of different ways for
people to cheat the system. During the pandemic, there were
literally hundreds of billions of dollars that were stolen when
(46:24):
all that money went out to help people get through
the consequences of the shutdowns and the lockdowns.
Speaker 7 (46:30):
And all of that.
Speaker 11 (46:30):
Some of them were international criminal gangs, and the problem
is that one we just don't have enough agency oversight.
That starting to change. We saw Secretary of Agriculture Brook
Rawlins saying that people are going to have to reapply
for SNAP benefits because there's just so much fraud in
the system, she says, So it's a real cost on
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the American people. It's also making it harder for people
that are eligible for the programs to get access to them.
We see that especially in healthcare. And there's so much
work left to be done. There was some progress made
by the Reconciliation Bill this summer, but there's just a
lot more to be done, and some of it has
to do with fixing the underlying incentives for members of
Congress to care more about these things.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, yeah, and Eric, if I could ask you to
expand a little bit more on that. So what we've
seen from the Trump administration is that they've been very
committed to fighting waste, fraud and abuse in the federal government.
Congress has sort of dragged its feet a little bit,
but we know that Republicans won't control Congress forever, and
they won't control the White House forever, and they may
actually have a very short window before the midterms next
(47:34):
year to do something long term about the waste, fraud,
and abuse.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
So, from your perspective, what would you.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Like to see get done in the next ten to
twelve months to make some of these reforms more permanent.
Speaker 11 (47:45):
Well, everyone needs to do as much as they possibly
can during the time that they have a lot of
things are pretty sticky in Washington. You do a regulation,
you improve program integrity, and those things will last for
a long period of time. You change the laws even
more so. The ultimate goal, however, is to get Congress
to be thinking, hey, what's the best way to provide
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value for the American people? And right now they don't
really have a system that's set up for that. They
have an appropriations process, which is great, but it's only
about a quarter of spending and none of the revenue.
Speaker 7 (48:17):
A lot of the.
Speaker 11 (48:17):
Programs where the fraud, the waste, and the abuse are
so rampant, are not in the appropriations process. They're in
the other three fourths of spending. Sometimes they're through provisions
of the tax code. And so if you want to
get Congress to be an active participant in raining all
that nonsense in. You need to get Congress looking at
the entire federal budget, all the spending, all the revenue,
(48:39):
all the tax preferences within per committee spending caps, so
that they have an incentive to manage within their portfolios
for the best value. And that means going after and
having political cover to go after the nonsense that's out
there right now. The incentives for that a pretty week
because oftentimes there are people that are getting paid because
of some with this nonsense, and then they come into
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the lobby Congress. Not the criminal element, of course, because
those people are not going to be going to the politicians,
but you know people of legitimate businesses that benefit indirectly from.
Speaker 7 (49:14):
Some of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Kurt, you guys do such amazing work at Americans for Prosperity, smart,
forward thinking solutions.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
Great honor to have you on the show today.
Speaker 7 (49:23):
Thanks for joining us, Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
All Right, folks, it's hard to believe the hour went
away like that, but we had a great conversation. First,
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Shane Harris, and of course our partners at AMAC, the
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Speaker 4 (49:57):
I have a good night.
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