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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to securing America with me, Frank Affney. The problem
that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country
we love against all enemies, foreign and domestic, to the
glory of God and his kingdom. Well, we're going to
do a special today on the enemy's domestic piece of
our national security challenges, national security, homeland security. The trouble
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is that increasingly it's hard to distinguish which is the
greater peril. We're going to be talking with one of
the country's pre eminent experts. In fact, I call him
a binational treasure. His name is Trevor Laudon. Many of
you are familiar with his work. We're going to have
a full hour of his time. Before we do, I'd
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just like to set up the stage for our conversation
by a few thoughts of my own about the enemy within.
There is at the moment a sizeable population inside our
country of people who have, for whatever reason, decided that
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they would rather align with, or at least benefit from
aligning with, some other force. Often it is a foreign force.
Sometimes it is an ideological force that is domestic as well.
But whatever it's providence, whatever its character, whatever the degree
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of conviction to which it is adhered to. These enemies
within confront our nation with the problem unlike any we've
seen before, certainly not since Franklin Delano Roosevelt interred large
numbers of Chinese excuse me, in turned large numbers of
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Japanese American citizens. We're going to explore what it means
for you in this moment in the course of our
conversation now with Trevor Alaudner. Trevor is, of course a
highly acclaimed author, a filmmaker, an essayist, researcher I think
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without peer, especially when it comes to this very important
question of are we in fact now well awash with
enemies within? And are they now constituting a mortal threat
to obviously our internal security but to the nation itself.
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And if so, why, how has this come to pass?
And who would benefit most from these enemies, especially to
the extent that they are demonstrably working together with our
foreign foes. Trevor has been particularly recognized, I think it's
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fair to say for a book and film by the
name of Enemies Within, Enemies Within the Church, another very
important film and myriad books in which he lays out
with exhaustive detail the evidence that people in various walks
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of life, notably in the United States government, have actually
become friends of our enemies and therefore compromised in ways
that could be very problematic. Indeed, I'm thinking of a
six volume set of analyzes of members of Congress titled
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The House on Americans, the two volume set of profiles
of senators known as the Security Risk Senators. He has
written about the Australian Prime Minister, now recently re elected,
the former Vice President of the United States, fortunately not
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elected into the presidency, and he is in short, an
incredible resource. We are privileged to have him with us always,
but especially for an extended conversation. Ever loud and welcome
back to Securing Americas.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Well, thanks so much, Frank, always a pleasure, and thanks
so much to viewers out there.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Well, I think they thank you, and they certainly will
by the time we're done. I think today, Trevor, let's
just level set a little bit on the phenomenon. Enemies
is a term that is sometimes and it about incautiously
within connotes inside the territory of the United States. But
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define the terms as you use them and give us
a sense of how people come to be enemies within.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Well. An enemy within is anybody who, through ideology or
money or compromise, puts the interests of a foreign power
or a foreign ideology above those of the United States. Now,
that could be a Cuban spy. It could be a
businessman doing shady deals with the Iranian. It could be
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a drug trafficker trafficking in you know, Chinese fentanyl. It
could be a senator who's basically trying to change policy
in favor of communist China. It could be a movie
mogul who only makes movies that show China in a
good light. It could be a Wall Street financier or
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a hedge trader who who does big, big deals with
China and helps to build up China's military. All of
those from from the street level radical who throws rocks
at the cops to you know, somebody in the most
powerful boardrooms of the United States could be an enemy
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within the within, very very very easy. We've seen examples
at every level for many years now.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
You know. I tend to think that we confront in
the wider world, Trevor, what I call the totalitarian trifecta,
the Chinese communists and all of the other sort of
communists that now I think largely follow the dominating lead
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of the CCP. We have globalists who have emerged, notably
in places like the United Nations, the World Health Organization,
the World Economic Forum, of course, and then I think
of as Sharia supremacists that are widely dispersed around the
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world adherence to the authoritative version of Sharia. We'll talk
about each of those, I'm sure, in turn. But is
it fair to say that each of those ideological adversaries
of our country? And I don't think there's any getting
around that they are adversaries of our country. They all
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seek to dispose of us in furtherance of their own
global ambitions, have their friends, their ally as their proxies
there associates inside our country, and are red against us
as well.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, look absolutely, Look, and you talk about the globalist
World Economic Forum, et cetera. Well, to a large degree,
the globalists, through the United Nations, the World Health Organization
and similar organizations all dance to the Chinese and to
some degree the Russian tune, you know, So they're still
there's a big overlap between the old communist movement modern Russia,
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the United Nations, the globalists, et cetera. And there's a
very big overlap between some of those globalist groups and
the Russians and the Chinese, and the Cubans and the Iranians,
with the Muslim supremacists as well. You know that we
talk off and frank about the Red Green axes, and
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we've seen that in play over the last year in
American campuses, where communists grew working with Islamist groups to
stir up hatred against Israel and create chaos. But in
the early days of the Soviet Union, the Soviets reached
into the madrasas and the Mosques and started up a
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lot of the early mos you know, Arab terrorist groups,
the PLO, they were involved in Hamas, the Popular Front
for the Liberation of Palestine, et cetera. So, yeah, there
are those three poles, but they all overlap, and they
all hate Israel and they all hate America. So you
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will see them work together very closely.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Hold that thought.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
We're going to come right back to it with Trevor Luden,
the author of, among other things, Enemies Within.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Welcome Back.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Trevor Loudon is in the house. We are visiting with
him about a phenomenon that he has I think helped
us understand as enemies within the United States. We're exploring
some of them, and not least the problem of how
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they are working together to advance what is, at least
for the moment, a shared objective of taking down this
country some of its friends, notably Israel. And Trevor, you
were talking a little bit about what's going on in
some of the college campuses, well, a lot of the
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college campuses not so long ago, and may at any moment,
you know, resume between on the one hand, pro jihadist,
pro Hamas, pro Sharia types, many of whom are college
kids who don't know anything about any of this, I guess,
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but they're being utilized, weaponized by folks with those proclivities
on the one hand, and then on the other there
are these Marxists deeply penetrated inside academia, to be sure,
talk a little bit about this red green axis for
one of a better term, and how is it they
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overlook how on the one hand they're working with atheistic
Marxists and on the other hand, they're working with people
who are championing, you know, the premiscy of a well
an ideological program that has a patina of religiosity to
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it the Sharia supremacism.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Well, well that's right. You know, how do you get
radical called gihrdes working with transgender queer radicals? People they
would throw off a roof if they happen to be
in the in Tehran or someone like that.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
So look, that's not just an expression, that is literal.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
That's what they do.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
What they do.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, they throw homosexuals off roofs. It's a time honored practice.
But you've got gihrdes on our campuses who would do
that back in Iran, working with gender queers, working with
radical feminists, working with all sorts of woke radicals on
our campuses. Why because they hate America more than they
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hate each other. They are willing to overlook each other's
idiosyncrasies because they see that by working together. As Carlos
the Jackal said, the famous terrorist America can be brought
down by an alliance of is Islamic He didn't say Exlamic,
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Exlomic middleitants and communist activists. He saw that as the
way forward. And he was a Cuban sponsored Venezuelans. You know,
he was a hardcore communist radical still in jail now,
I believe. But so that is the way forward. They see,
they see there's a big enough Muslim population in America
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now to create a lot of problems if necessary. There
is a growing radical population on the campuses who now
see they regard the Trump administration as a Nazi administration.
This is not what it is, but that's how they
see it, and so everything is off the table now.
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The Great Canary Mission organization sent out a video not
long ago with clips of various radical leftist Muslims on
our campuses talking about by the end of this year,
many of us won't be here because and the clear
implication was they said, basically laid out, there is going
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to be terrorist acts on our city, in our country
this year, and some of these people are going to
die in the process, but they are martyrs for the
cause and they will get their heavenly reward. Well, the
communists don't care about a heavenly reward. They're quite happy
to let the Moslems take the heat and do the killing.
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But I really think we are going to see the
red green axes alive on our streets this summer. And
I pray that I'm wrong. I pray that I'm the
I look the biggest fall in America by the end
of summer. But they are planning it. They are working together.
You've got a new breed of leftists who are basically
like the weather underground of the seventies. These are the
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extreme of the extreme. And especially since the October seven attacks,
you've seen an upsurd and young Muslim radicals just so
upset and so carried away. And this unholy alliance has
come together. And they all hate Trump, and they all
hate Conservatives, and they all hate Republicans. They see themselves
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as conducting a gorilla war and occupied territory the Muslims.
It's where they're under occupation by the Great Satan, the
Marxist kids that are under occupation by late stage capitalism.
So I think we're coming to a climax in this,
and I think Americans should be prepared, you know, land
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stocks of medicine, land stocks of food, because we could
see some serious disruption on our streets, and particularly if China,
if China attacks Taiwan or something goes nuclear in the
Middle East, Know, something goes really bad, an attack on
Iran or something break you attacked by Israel on Iran,
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is pretty imminent, and I think that will be the
signal for major, major upsurge in this country. I think
they could happen any day.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I have to say, I'm hearing this forecast from a
number of our reliable sources. Tever, you're not alone, needless
say as to you, I pray that will not take place.
But it is increasingly clear that the makings of widespread
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civil unrest, if not actual revolution, are being put into place.
Not least is that combination of forces augmented, it must
be said, by what some have estimated are tens of
thousands of people's liberation army arratives who have been brought in,
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as you know, across an open border during the Biden years,
but also trevor large numbers of jihadists who have been important,
some you know, illegally clandestinely, more or less some brought
in from Afghanistan quite you know, formally and officially. Give
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us a readout on how those kinds of trained personnel
might change the complexion of what could otherwise be kind
of a more amateur problem in America.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Well, exactly, I've got a good friend in Los Angeles,
and she was doing electoral canvassing and finding meeting in
car parks in Los Angeles. All these Chechens and Tajiks
and Iranians and others who were basically living in the well.
They had quarters arranged for them. They had places to
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live that have been range before they come across the water.
But they're all driving ride share, you know, Uber and
Lyft and door dash and this kind of thing. So
they were getting to know the city. They were getting
to know where who ordered stuff from Jewish delis and
things like this. And there was no reason these people
should be here. These were people from countries that aren't
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a natural source of immigration to America. So these people
are sent here and they have accommodation arrange for them.
And so now you've got you've got the that's the
jihadi side of it, and then you've got the Chinese side.
We know thousands of military age guys, some allegedly spent
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Chinese special forces are here now. They will be mapping
out infrastructure, they will be practicing with weapons, they will
be possibly playing around with biological weapons or chemical weapons.
They'll be mapping out stadiums and supermarkets and soft targets
and airports. You know that these people are not coming
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here to go to Vegas. They are here to take
down their worst enemy in the world. And you know,
the minute things turn hot on the international stage, I believe,
is when these people will be unleashed inside America.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Trevor again, I want to come back to that thought.
But when we return after this next break, I specifically
want to talk about some of those who are helping
organize these kinds of individuals and groups inside the United States.
That and much more with Trevor Louden, among other things,
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the author of Security Risk, Senators and House on Americans.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Want to miss a word of this statue. Welcome back.
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We are speaking with Trevor Louden for this full hour.
Want a treat a man whose expertise on the topic
of the day enemies within is I believe on paralleled
has certainly been at the very forefront of documenting and
raising awareness and well raising the alarm about what this
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problem of hostile elements inside the United States might mean
for all of us. And we're going to talk before
the show is ever about his very I think important
ideas about what we need to do about it.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
But one other.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Piece of this, and I want to tease out with you, Trevor,
you've sort of characterized the phenomenon of enemies within and
how people come to be part of that well, that
threat vector, for want of a better term. You've talked
a bit about some of those who populate the ranks
of groups that might be hostile, whether they're you know,
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formally tied with foreign governments or otherwise. I wanted to
turn to one of the governments that is particularly troubling,
and I have to say I have very profound misgivings
about President Trump's lavish embrace of the emir of this government,
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namely that of Cutter, during his visits recently to the
Middle East. We are, of course often told that Cutter
is a major non NATO ally. It houses one of
our largest overseas bases. It has been, we're told, helpful
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in brokering ceasefire negotiations between is Hamas and Israel and
trying to moderate other problems in Syria as.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Well as with Iran.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Again, tell us a little bit about Cutter, especially from
the perspective of someone who is concerned about the enemy
within and the role they're playing in greatly magnifying that thread.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Well, look, Kata is a major's center of Muslim Brotherhood
at activity. It's one of the key centers in the
world of Muslim brotherhood activity and is known to have
sponsored and participated in and aiding terrorists sheltering terrorists for many,
many years.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It is before you go further, Trevor, I see for interrupting,
but just maybe explain why the Muslim Brotherhood is a problem.
I think most of our audience knows. Yeah, fair a
bit about it. But your view on it, Well.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
A Muslim Brotherhood's been around since the twenties, but they
they learned their infiltration skills from the Soviet Union, you know,
in the back of when they were well, probably from
the Nazis and the Soviets. They really fell in with
the Soviets after World War Two when their Nazi allies
would defeat it, and so they have a long term Yeah, well,
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their goal. Their goal is to deliver the world to Allah.
The whole world belongs to Allah, and anybody who's not
a Muslim is a trespasser. So their goal is to
use subversion, terrorism, even war to recover the whole world
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for Allah.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Now in the West, say I usually shamelessly plugged it about
at this point this book the explanatory memorandum talks about
specifically the Muslim Brotherhood's mission in America as quote, destroying.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Western civilization from within by their unbelievers as well as
the believers. Quote.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
So that is the group that the Kataris are working
particularly closely with both elsewhere and here is.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
That right exactly? And see the thing in Hamas is
really upfront for the Muslim brother that's a Muslim Brotherhood
created organization. So they are very key players in world terrorism.
But in the United States particularly, they tend to work politically.
They tend to work in influence operations. They are softening
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us up before they directly attack us. They know it
would be madness to declare war in America now. But
by funding they got. The thing is they got more
than the Soviet Communists. That they got a lot of money.
So they can buy endowments and universities, they can buy
advertisements in major newspapers, They con sponsor conferences, they can,
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you know, get their people onto boards. You know, President
Trump's disappointed to Muslim Brotherhood linked operatives to his Religious
Freedom's board. You know, no doubt, I'd like to know
who recommended those people. So the see the goal of
this infiltration. See you look, look back. You know, why
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couldn't America win the Korean War? Why couldn't America win
the Vietnam War? Why did America get bogged down in
the war on terrorism? Because you had people in our government,
the communists in the case of you know, Vietnam and
Korea and all that kind of thing. Who's in the
State Department who actively sabotaged a proper response to the enemy,
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who basically sold out countries to the enemy. Well, Diana
West points out in a great book, you know, American betrayal,
the same tactics used by the Soviets in the nineteen
forties and fifties and well beyond. You know, we lost
the Vietnam War because the Soviets and Communists spent more
money on the American protest movement and in the American
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Congress than they did in backing the North Vietnamese. But
this is a problem that was never cleaned out in
those days. The infiltration of the State Department, the co
option of several Congress members, peace movement activity, all of
this directed by the Soviet Union. Then La had taken
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over by the Chinese. Now being the same things that
been done by the Iranians and the Qataris, etc. So
they have a lot of money. They are more money
than the Soviets ever had. So they're buying up our businesses,
they're buying up our senators, they're buying up all sorts
of things. And now President Trump is giving one of
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our worst enemies respectability and greater access to our business community,
which will then be used to basically subvert the country.
You know, the same as opening up to China. You know,
China was nothing. So Kissinger scammed Nixon into opening up
with China because they'll come more like us. Right now,
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They've got a military that can challenge us, and they've
so infiltrated us. You know, we make billions trading with them,
and then we have to spend by a factor of
five the amount we've made defending ourselves from what we created,
and the same is going to happen with Kata. This
is a very very bad move on the part of
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the President.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I fear so as well. Trevor and people have on
this program in fact, sort of tried to put best
face on this. They can by suggesting that, well, if
we only engage and entangle ourselves more fully with those
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like the Qataris, you know, get vast amounts of money
from you know, their oil or gas revenues in the
case of Cutter shipped into this country and have them
buy weapons, and have them make investments and so on.
All will be well, we will not have war. And
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it's important to note, and you've just sort of alluded
to it, that was pretty much what we thought would
come of, or what's told at least would come of
engaging and otherwise enriching the children's communists.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, well, this is this would be the equivalent of
President Roosevelt doing deals with Nazi Germany and nineteen thirty
nine opening a hotel in Berlin or something and doing
these massive trade deals, doing the same thing with Mussolini.
You know, it was you know, for fifty years, the
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United States has blockaded Cuba because the Cuban has been selling,
been smuggling drugs to our country, stealing our secrets, co
opting our congress members, particularly in the Black Congressional the
Congressional Black Caucus, turning a whole bunch of them to
Cuban agents. And to stop that, to slow it down,
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we have sanctioned Cuba very very effectively and necessarily. But
we haven't done that to Cuba's major sponsors, I, Russia,
China and their friend Aram. You know, we've got to
apply the same strategy. The only reason these countries are
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a threat to us is because stupid people have allowed
them to become a meshed in our economies and those
and our government and our enemies have exploited that, and
they brought up so many of our congressmen and senators
that when you try and get it stopped, it's very
hard to stop the gravy train because so many people
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are on the take.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
So, whether it's the Chinese communists or the guitaries when
we see them making significant investments in our college campuses,
for example, or our media, including we're increasingly hearing conservative
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media at least on the part of the qataries to
say nothing of the financial sector or businesses, or for
that matter, government collective office campaigns. Perhaps we should be
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on notice that that is perilous in the extreme.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Is that your sort of bottom line?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Look, it's all about influence. And I quoted my book
on Kamala Harris Stealth. I quote a top Chinese official
and said, we are going to have organizations in every
congressional district in America, whether it's car plants, battery plants,
voter registration organizations, because if we have these organizations that
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employ large numbers of Americans, the local congressman will never
vote against China because a large number of his constituencies
jobs depend on China.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Hold the thought, Trevor. We're going to come right back
on that point. Stay tuned, folks will be with you
in just a moment.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
More of Trevor Lavian, author of Enemies Within Welcome back.
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And I'm delighted to say we have Trevor laden still
with us. In fact, we have two more segments with him,
rounding out this very deep dive on the problem, the phenomenon,
the largely unappreciated danger of the enemies within the United
States at this moment. Trevor, we talked a bit about
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what Kataris are doing to penetrate and subvert, certainly influence Americans.
Bring them alongside. Let's talk a little bit about the
Chinese in particular, in addition to the People's Liberation Army
personnel that we've heard are now operating inside this country.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Exactly they're doing, where.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
They're doing it, unclear alas, but they appear to be
here in very large numbers. So are students from China populating.
I think most, if not virtually all of our college
campuses talk a little bit about how you get to
be a student in the United States from China.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
What are the legal and other restraints under which you
have to operate, and what.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Might that mean in terms of a vast cohort. I
mean's something on the north of three hundred thousand, I'm told,
should they become weaponized against us as well?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Well, they are being weaponized now, but I'll explain that.
But look, you come here from China, if you're a
member of a Communist party family, or your family is
regarded as loyal to the regime. If your family is
Fealongong or Christian or underground Catholic, you're not coming to
the United States. You can forget it. You have to
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be loyal, you have to have family back home, you
have to be controllable, and so so you know, large numbers.
They reckon at least ten percent of the Chinese students
here are answerable to the intelligence services. I would say
it's one hundred percent personally, but they say at least
ten percent, and they are working in labs. They're working
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in it, they are working and all sorts of sophisticated.
You know, these kids don't come here to study sociology.
They do the stems, they do sciences, they do hard
stuff that has national security implications. But here's the other thing.
There's been major scandals in China about Chinese students being
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used to fake vote and man polling boots in certain
Canadian elections. They reckon they influenced at least twelve twelve
seats in the election before the last one, probably way
more in the last election in Australia. Yeah, in Canada.
In Australia they said there was a thirty percent swing
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towards the Labor Party by Chinese immigrants in the in
students in the last election. That's unheard of because the
Chinese Communist Party basically made it very clear who their
favorite candidate was, the Communist Albanesi, the incumbent prime minister.
They wanted him back. So it's like the Moslims, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
With profile in your newest book, come Prime Minister.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Prime Minister year. So look, they are they are used
for all sorts of things, and that's why they have
these Chinese police stations all over America. These these are
not like a station where you're going to lay a
complaint if, for somebody, somebody drops rubbish in your backyard.
These are little groups of Chinese affiliated people who monitor
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the local Chinese students and the Chinese diasper make sure
there's no impure thoughts getting in sending information back to China,
all this kind of thing. Tim Walls, as I record
my book too, was very very close to one of
these Chinese police stations in Minneapolis, which has a large
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Chinese community. So these Chinese students, look, they should not
be allowed in the country. It's as simple as that,
you know, would you bring in three hundred thousand German
students who are all the children of Nazi Party members
in nineteen thirty nine and expect to have a good result?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
So, Trevor, the other piece of this is that every
single one of these students, in addition to being selected
because well, I guess have a good social credit score
and lineage, political, if not physical, they know that they're
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here under the laws of China. Are they not talk
a little bit about that? And I'm told that one
of the other facets of these so called overseas police
service centers is to have the students in question here
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in the States see some of their loved ones in
the hands of what looked like some pretty unsavory thugs
in China, presumably law enforcement personnel or Ministry of State
Security or something. They're under no illusion that they have
to abide by what they're being told to do.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (37:53):
And what kinds of things do you believe they are
being told by the CCP.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Well, they've been told together information. They've been told to
vote certain ways or get involved in elections, whether illegally
or not, usually illegally. They are also you know, there
are major Chinese sponsored voter registration organizations here in the
Key Swing states, run through the Chinese Progressive Association with
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San Francisco, which works directly with the Chinese consulate in
San Francisco. They boast that they won the election for
Biden Harris in twenty twenty. They made the difference in
this key state. So that and some of these students
will also have military backgrounds. But I think the main
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thing they will do is be used to police other students,
So they're all policing each other and steal technology, and
you you know, steal patents, steal technology, still chemical processes,
still military secrets. And also the other thing we've we've
found several that have been several prosecutions in recent years
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off spies, Chinese spies working in the US military, and
everyone has been Chinese born. They may be American citizens,
they are in the military, and they've been prosecuted. And
everyone was either born in China or as Chinese parents,
every single one.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Which reminds me of terrible that Dick Durbin, Senator from Illinois,
has had the bright idea of having illegal aliens from overseas,
presumably Chinese among them, serve in the military.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Well, that's right, mark these citizens. In short order, Trevor,
we have to take another short break. I vote you
to finish that particular thought. But I do want to
talk with you about your I think brilliant ideas about
what we need to do about.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
These enemies with at this very very important juncture. We'll
get to that next. Welcome back to this final installment
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of this very special edition of Securing America, where we
are speaking about the phenomenon of the enemies within with
one of the world's leading authorities on the subject. I
call him a binational Treasury Hills originally from New Zealand,
as you may have discerned from his accent, but he
is very much part of America now having married an
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American citizen and now making this his home, for which
we are profoundly grateful. And Trevor, I had to cut
you off due to the exigencies of time, but I
think you wanted to make a further point about yes
particular problem.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Well, look, Dick Durbin of Illinois, as you said, has
pushed the idea of bringing illegals into the US mel
tree and giving them citizenship, and so has Mark Vacy,
the Congressman from North Texas. He's done the same thing.
From the Armed Services Committee. Vycy is very close to
the Communist Party USA, which is completely law to China.
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And Dick Durbin has a Communist background of his own
in his own rights, and is very close to the
Harness Center in Chicago, which is basically a pro North
Korean outfit. So it's not surprising. Imagine having several hundred
thousand illegal immigrants in the military, completely unvetted, from many
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from hostile foreign countries. How dangerous would that be? In
a war, or even the lead up to a war.
How much espionage, treachery and that are we opening ourselves
up to if we followed the advice of those two
extreme leftists.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Well, you know, it seems to me this speaks to
a larger problem, and we'll have to have you back
to discuss it at greater length because we've got one
other thing we need to address now, a lack of
national security mindedness. It's it's simply insane if it's not
very malevolent that one would even contemplate, you know, the
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the blue on green problem or green on blue problem.
I guess it was called in Afghanistan, for example, where
you know, soldiers were being whacked by people they were
told to trust as comrades in arms, not in our
own uniform, but in an ally. It's ostensibly this would
be true in space. To say nothing of what harms
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they might do.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
It would destroy their whole You would not trust.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Yeah, at all.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Part of the strategy isn't it down the US military?
So Trevor, you've done some very I think important and
creative thinking about how, given how advanced, how foreign fantastasized,
one might say this problem of enemies within is what
we might yet do to try to prevent the desired
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takedown of the country that apparently is animating them.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Give us your thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Well, I think the biggest problem we have is the
massive Soviet, Russian, Chinese, Iranian, Cuban cartel globalist infiltration of
our major institutions, including Congress, Hollywood, Wall Street, and so
we can never do anything to counter our enemies because
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they have so many people inside our system who are
stopping us. So President Trump has a unique opportunity here.
He's finally got a director of the FBI who's going
to take security seriously, and he's got a massive problem
of foreign infiltration. So what do you do? This is
what I think he should do. Get Cash Battel to
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set up a new agency subsidiary to the FBI, totally
veted of ex military guys, special forces, sheriff's deputies, vet
and vet and vet them. To get this elite unit
whose entire job is to go after foreign agents. So
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you've got this institution that is all about taking down
foreign agents. And then the president could declare a three
month amnesty. Every foreign subversive, every American traitor has got
three months to come in and fire. Well, if you're foreigner,
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to leave the country and never come back. And if
you're a local, you come into the new agency and
register your name, and you spill your guts, and you
tell everything you've done, who you betrayed, what you stole,
who you bought off, You tell everything, and if you're honest,
you get full immunity from prosecution, and your punishment is
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between you and God. I think if the president did this,
you'd see hundreds of thousands of Russians, Chinese cartel Iranians
leave the country within three months, and I'd say you'd
have several thousand people coming forward to tell what they
had done, because a lot of these people want out,
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they're trapped. They won out, but the only way out
is jail, right now, give them the way out. Look.
That would cause a massive meltdown of every foreign intelligence
network in the country, because the Iranian businessman who was
paying off the senator wouldn't know if the senator had
taken a deal and was wearing a wire, and the
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senator wouldn't know if the Iranian businessman had taken the
deal and was wearing a wire. So there would melt
down these all of these organizations would melt down, and
you'd have several thousand people coming forward willing to tell
their story to the American public. The American public would
finally understand how deep this problem was and would support
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the security measures going forward to make sure it doesn't
happen again. And you don't have to prosecute probably a
few hundred people who didn't come forward, but you'd have
the biggest cleansing of foreign influence operations in your country
you've ever seen. It would completely wipe out these things,
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and America could finally start to recover some sanity and
go forward to a much better future. It's the It's
how you take down organized crime. You get low level guys,
you offer them a deal, they rat on their bosses,
and you take them down. This has to be applied
to the penetration of foreign intelligence operations in America. This
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is how it has to be.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yew, this makes emminent sense to me.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
And again, as you say, Trevor, this is not some
pie in the sky idea. This is something that has
been demonstrated to be successful in counter mafia operations. And
I'm fond of saying that the Chinese Communist Party, and
for that matter. I think these other totalitarian elements really
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are at their core transnational criminal organizations, so treat them
as such prospect that you may be able to turn
them against one another to save our country from the
enemy within. Trevor Ludden, I can't believe how fast the
time flies. You have been as always generous with that time,
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and I so appreciate what you do. Thank you for
being one of our fellows at the Institute for the
American Future, and for all your collective works.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
I know you'll keep it up. I hope you'll come
back to with so.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
I hope the rest of you'll do the same next time.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Until then, go forth and
Welcome to securing America with me, Frank Affney. The problem
that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country
we love against all enemies, foreign and domestic, to the
glory of God and his kingdom. Well, we're going to
do a special today on the enemy's domestic piece of
our national security challenges, national security, homeland security. The trouble
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is that increasingly it's hard to distinguish which is the
greater peril. We're going to be talking with one of
the country's pre eminent experts. In fact, I call him
a binational treasure. His name is Trevor Laudon. Many of
you are familiar with his work. We're going to have
a full hour of his time. Before we do, I'd
(00:55):
just like to set up the stage for our conversation
by a few thoughts of my own about the enemy within.
There is at the moment a sizeable population inside our
country of people who have, for whatever reason, decided that
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they would rather align with, or at least benefit from
aligning with, some other force. Often it is a foreign force.
Sometimes it is an ideological force that is domestic as well.
But whatever it's providence, whatever its character, whatever the degree
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of conviction to which it is adhered to. These enemies
within confront our nation with the problem unlike any we've
seen before, certainly not since Franklin Delano Roosevelt interred large
numbers of Chinese excuse me, in turned large numbers of
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Japanese American citizens. We're going to explore what it means
for you in this moment in the course of our
conversation now with Trevor Alaudner. Trevor is, of course a
highly acclaimed author, a filmmaker, an essayist, researcher I think
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without peer, especially when it comes to this very important
question of are we in fact now well awash with
enemies within? And are they now constituting a mortal threat
to obviously our internal security but to the nation itself.
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And if so, why, how has this come to pass?
And who would benefit most from these enemies, especially to
the extent that they are demonstrably working together with our
foreign foes. Trevor has been particularly recognized, I think it's
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fair to say for a book and film by the
name of Enemies Within, Enemies Within the Church, another very
important film and myriad books in which he lays out
with exhaustive detail the evidence that people in various walks
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of life, notably in the United States government, have actually
become friends of our enemies and therefore compromised in ways
that could be very problematic. Indeed, I'm thinking of a
six volume set of analyzes of members of Congress titled
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The House on Americans, the two volume set of profiles
of senators known as the Security Risk Senators. He has
written about the Australian Prime Minister, now recently re elected,
the former Vice President of the United States, fortunately not
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elected into the presidency, and he is in short, an
incredible resource. We are privileged to have him with us always,
but especially for an extended conversation. Ever loud and welcome
back to Securing Americas.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Well, thanks so much, Frank, always a pleasure, and thanks
so much to viewers out there.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Well, I think they thank you, and they certainly will
by the time we're done. I think today, Trevor, let's
just level set a little bit on the phenomenon. Enemies
is a term that is sometimes and it about incautiously
within connotes inside the territory of the United States. But
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define the terms as you use them and give us
a sense of how people come to be enemies within.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Well. An enemy within is anybody who, through ideology or
money or compromise, puts the interests of a foreign power
or a foreign ideology above those of the United States. Now,
that could be a Cuban spy. It could be a
businessman doing shady deals with the Iranian. It could be
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a drug trafficker trafficking in you know, Chinese fentanyl. It
could be a senator who's basically trying to change policy
in favor of communist China. It could be a movie
mogul who only makes movies that show China in a
good light. It could be a Wall Street financier or
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a hedge trader who who does big, big deals with
China and helps to build up China's military. All of
those from from the street level radical who throws rocks
at the cops to you know, somebody in the most
powerful boardrooms of the United States could be an enemy
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within the within, very very very easy. We've seen examples
at every level for many years now.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
You know. I tend to think that we confront in
the wider world, Trevor, what I call the totalitarian trifecta,
the Chinese communists and all of the other sort of
communists that now I think largely follow the dominating lead
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of the CCP. We have globalists who have emerged, notably
in places like the United Nations, the World Health Organization,
the World Economic Forum, of course, and then I think
of as Sharia supremacists that are widely dispersed around the
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world adherence to the authoritative version of Sharia. We'll talk
about each of those, I'm sure, in turn. But is
it fair to say that each of those ideological adversaries
of our country? And I don't think there's any getting
around that they are adversaries of our country. They all
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seek to dispose of us in furtherance of their own
global ambitions, have their friends, their ally as their proxies
there associates inside our country, and are red against us
as well.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, look absolutely, Look, and you talk about the globalist
World Economic Forum, et cetera. Well, to a large degree,
the globalists, through the United Nations, the World Health Organization
and similar organizations all dance to the Chinese and to
some degree the Russian tune, you know, So they're still
there's a big overlap between the old communist movement modern Russia,
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the United Nations, the globalists, et cetera. And there's a
very big overlap between some of those globalist groups and
the Russians and the Chinese, and the Cubans and the Iranians,
with the Muslim supremacists as well. You know that we
talk off and frank about the Red Green axes, and
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we've seen that in play over the last year in
American campuses, where communists grew working with Islamist groups to
stir up hatred against Israel and create chaos. But in
the early days of the Soviet Union, the Soviets reached
into the madrasas and the Mosques and started up a
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lot of the early mos you know, Arab terrorist groups,
the PLO, they were involved in Hamas, the Popular Front
for the Liberation of Palestine, et cetera. So, yeah, there
are those three poles, but they all overlap, and they
all hate Israel and they all hate America. So you
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will see them work together very closely.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Hold that thought.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
We're going to come right back to it with Trevor Luden,
the author of, among other things, Enemies Within.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Welcome Back.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Trevor Loudon is in the house. We are visiting with
him about a phenomenon that he has I think helped
us understand as enemies within the United States. We're exploring
some of them, and not least the problem of how
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they are working together to advance what is, at least
for the moment, a shared objective of taking down this
country some of its friends, notably Israel. And Trevor, you
were talking a little bit about what's going on in
some of the college campuses, well, a lot of the
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college campuses not so long ago, and may at any moment,
you know, resume between on the one hand, pro jihadist,
pro Hamas, pro Sharia types, many of whom are college
kids who don't know anything about any of this, I guess,
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but they're being utilized, weaponized by folks with those proclivities
on the one hand, and then on the other there
are these Marxists deeply penetrated inside academia, to be sure,
talk a little bit about this red green axis for
one of a better term, and how is it they
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overlook how on the one hand they're working with atheistic
Marxists and on the other hand, they're working with people
who are championing, you know, the premiscy of a well
an ideological program that has a patina of religiosity to
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it the Sharia supremacism.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Well, well that's right. You know, how do you get
radical called gihrdes working with transgender queer radicals? People they
would throw off a roof if they happen to be
in the in Tehran or someone like that.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
So look, that's not just an expression, that is literal.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
That's what they do.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
What they do.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, they throw homosexuals off roofs. It's a time honored practice.
But you've got gihrdes on our campuses who would do
that back in Iran, working with gender queers, working with
radical feminists, working with all sorts of woke radicals on
our campuses. Why because they hate America more than they
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hate each other. They are willing to overlook each other's
idiosyncrasies because they see that by working together. As Carlos
the Jackal said, the famous terrorist America can be brought
down by an alliance of is Islamic He didn't say Exlamic,
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Exlomic middleitants and communist activists. He saw that as the
way forward. And he was a Cuban sponsored Venezuelans. You know,
he was a hardcore communist radical still in jail now,
I believe. But so that is the way forward. They see,
they see there's a big enough Muslim population in America
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now to create a lot of problems if necessary. There
is a growing radical population on the campuses who now
see they regard the Trump administration as a Nazi administration.
This is not what it is, but that's how they
see it, and so everything is off the table now.
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The Great Canary Mission organization sent out a video not
long ago with clips of various radical leftist Muslims on
our campuses talking about by the end of this year,
many of us won't be here because and the clear
implication was they said, basically laid out, there is going
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to be terrorist acts on our city, in our country
this year, and some of these people are going to
die in the process, but they are martyrs for the
cause and they will get their heavenly reward. Well, the
communists don't care about a heavenly reward. They're quite happy
to let the Moslems take the heat and do the killing.
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But I really think we are going to see the
red green axes alive on our streets this summer. And
I pray that I'm wrong. I pray that I'm the
I look the biggest fall in America by the end
of summer. But they are planning it. They are working together.
You've got a new breed of leftists who are basically
like the weather underground of the seventies. These are the
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extreme of the extreme. And especially since the October seven attacks,
you've seen an upsurd and young Muslim radicals just so
upset and so carried away. And this unholy alliance has
come together. And they all hate Trump, and they all
hate Conservatives, and they all hate Republicans. They see themselves
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as conducting a gorilla war and occupied territory the Muslims.
It's where they're under occupation by the Great Satan, the
Marxist kids that are under occupation by late stage capitalism.
So I think we're coming to a climax in this,
and I think Americans should be prepared, you know, land
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stocks of medicine, land stocks of food, because we could
see some serious disruption on our streets, and particularly if China,
if China attacks Taiwan or something goes nuclear in the
Middle East, Know, something goes really bad, an attack on
Iran or something break you attacked by Israel on Iran,
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is pretty imminent, and I think that will be the
signal for major, major upsurge in this country. I think
they could happen any day.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I have to say, I'm hearing this forecast from a
number of our reliable sources. Tever, you're not alone, needless
say as to you, I pray that will not take place.
But it is increasingly clear that the makings of widespread
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civil unrest, if not actual revolution, are being put into place.
Not least is that combination of forces augmented, it must
be said, by what some have estimated are tens of
thousands of people's liberation army arratives who have been brought in,
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as you know, across an open border during the Biden years,
but also trevor large numbers of jihadists who have been important,
some you know, illegally clandestinely, more or less some brought
in from Afghanistan quite you know, formally and officially. Give
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us a readout on how those kinds of trained personnel
might change the complexion of what could otherwise be kind
of a more amateur problem in America.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Well, exactly, I've got a good friend in Los Angeles,
and she was doing electoral canvassing and finding meeting in
car parks in Los Angeles. All these Chechens and Tajiks
and Iranians and others who were basically living in the well.
They had quarters arranged for them. They had places to
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live that have been range before they come across the water.
But they're all driving ride share, you know, Uber and
Lyft and door dash and this kind of thing. So
they were getting to know the city. They were getting
to know where who ordered stuff from Jewish delis and
things like this. And there was no reason these people
should be here. These were people from countries that aren't
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a natural source of immigration to America. So these people
are sent here and they have accommodation arrange for them.
And so now you've got you've got the that's the
jihadi side of it, and then you've got the Chinese side.
We know thousands of military age guys, some allegedly spent
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Chinese special forces are here now. They will be mapping
out infrastructure, they will be practicing with weapons, they will
be possibly playing around with biological weapons or chemical weapons.
They'll be mapping out stadiums and supermarkets and soft targets
and airports. You know that these people are not coming
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here to go to Vegas. They are here to take
down their worst enemy in the world. And you know,
the minute things turn hot on the international stage, I believe,
is when these people will be unleashed inside America.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Trevor again, I want to come back to that thought.
But when we return after this next break, I specifically
want to talk about some of those who are helping
organize these kinds of individuals and groups inside the United States.
That and much more with Trevor Louden, among other things,
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the author of Security Risk, Senators and House on Americans.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Want to miss a word of this statue. Welcome back.
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We are speaking with Trevor Louden for this full hour.
Want a treat a man whose expertise on the topic
of the day enemies within is I believe on paralleled
has certainly been at the very forefront of documenting and
raising awareness and well raising the alarm about what this
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problem of hostile elements inside the United States might mean
for all of us. And we're going to talk before
the show is ever about his very I think important
ideas about what we need to do about it.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
But one other.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Piece of this, and I want to tease out with you, Trevor,
you've sort of characterized the phenomenon of enemies within and
how people come to be part of that well, that
threat vector, for want of a better term. You've talked
a bit about some of those who populate the ranks
of groups that might be hostile, whether they're you know,
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formally tied with foreign governments or otherwise. I wanted to
turn to one of the governments that is particularly troubling,
and I have to say I have very profound misgivings
about President Trump's lavish embrace of the emir of this government,
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namely that of Cutter, during his visits recently to the
Middle East. We are, of course often told that Cutter
is a major non NATO ally. It houses one of
our largest overseas bases. It has been, we're told, helpful
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in brokering ceasefire negotiations between is Hamas and Israel and
trying to moderate other problems in Syria as.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Well as with Iran.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Again, tell us a little bit about Cutter, especially from
the perspective of someone who is concerned about the enemy
within and the role they're playing in greatly magnifying that thread.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Well, look, Kata is a major's center of Muslim Brotherhood
at activity. It's one of the key centers in the
world of Muslim brotherhood activity and is known to have
sponsored and participated in and aiding terrorists sheltering terrorists for many,
many years.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It is before you go further, Trevor, I see for interrupting,
but just maybe explain why the Muslim Brotherhood is a problem.
I think most of our audience knows. Yeah, fair a
bit about it. But your view on it, Well.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
A Muslim Brotherhood's been around since the twenties, but they
they learned their infiltration skills from the Soviet Union, you know,
in the back of when they were well, probably from
the Nazis and the Soviets. They really fell in with
the Soviets after World War Two when their Nazi allies
would defeat it, and so they have a long term Yeah, well,
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their goal. Their goal is to deliver the world to Allah.
The whole world belongs to Allah, and anybody who's not
a Muslim is a trespasser. So their goal is to
use subversion, terrorism, even war to recover the whole world
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for Allah.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Now in the West, say I usually shamelessly plugged it about
at this point this book the explanatory memorandum talks about
specifically the Muslim Brotherhood's mission in America as quote, destroying.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Western civilization from within by their unbelievers as well as
the believers. Quote.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
So that is the group that the Kataris are working
particularly closely with both elsewhere and here is.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
That right exactly? And see the thing in Hamas is
really upfront for the Muslim brother that's a Muslim Brotherhood
created organization. So they are very key players in world terrorism.
But in the United States particularly, they tend to work politically.
They tend to work in influence operations. They are softening
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us up before they directly attack us. They know it
would be madness to declare war in America now. But
by funding they got. The thing is they got more
than the Soviet Communists. That they got a lot of money.
So they can buy endowments and universities, they can buy
advertisements in major newspapers, They con sponsor conferences, they can,
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you know, get their people onto boards. You know, President
Trump's disappointed to Muslim Brotherhood linked operatives to his Religious
Freedom's board. You know, no doubt, I'd like to know
who recommended those people. So the see the goal of
this infiltration. See you look, look back. You know, why
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couldn't America win the Korean War? Why couldn't America win
the Vietnam War? Why did America get bogged down in
the war on terrorism? Because you had people in our government,
the communists in the case of you know, Vietnam and
Korea and all that kind of thing. Who's in the
State Department who actively sabotaged a proper response to the enemy,
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who basically sold out countries to the enemy. Well, Diana
West points out in a great book, you know, American betrayal,
the same tactics used by the Soviets in the nineteen
forties and fifties and well beyond. You know, we lost
the Vietnam War because the Soviets and Communists spent more
money on the American protest movement and in the American
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Congress than they did in backing the North Vietnamese. But
this is a problem that was never cleaned out in
those days. The infiltration of the State Department, the co
option of several Congress members, peace movement activity, all of
this directed by the Soviet Union. Then La had taken
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over by the Chinese. Now being the same things that
been done by the Iranians and the Qataris, etc. So
they have a lot of money. They are more money
than the Soviets ever had. So they're buying up our businesses,
they're buying up our senators, they're buying up all sorts
of things. And now President Trump is giving one of
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our worst enemies respectability and greater access to our business community,
which will then be used to basically subvert the country.
You know, the same as opening up to China. You know,
China was nothing. So Kissinger scammed Nixon into opening up
with China because they'll come more like us. Right now,
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They've got a military that can challenge us, and they've
so infiltrated us. You know, we make billions trading with them,
and then we have to spend by a factor of
five the amount we've made defending ourselves from what we created,
and the same is going to happen with Kata. This
is a very very bad move on the part of
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the President.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I fear so as well. Trevor and people have on
this program in fact, sort of tried to put best
face on this. They can by suggesting that, well, if
we only engage and entangle ourselves more fully with those
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like the Qataris, you know, get vast amounts of money
from you know, their oil or gas revenues in the
case of Cutter shipped into this country and have them
buy weapons, and have them make investments and so on.
All will be well, we will not have war. And
(28:35):
it's important to note, and you've just sort of alluded
to it, that was pretty much what we thought would
come of, or what's told at least would come of
engaging and otherwise enriching the children's communists.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, well, this is this would be the equivalent of
President Roosevelt doing deals with Nazi Germany and nineteen thirty
nine opening a hotel in Berlin or something and doing
these massive trade deals, doing the same thing with Mussolini.
You know, it was you know, for fifty years, the
(29:15):
United States has blockaded Cuba because the Cuban has been selling,
been smuggling drugs to our country, stealing our secrets, co
opting our congress members, particularly in the Black Congressional the
Congressional Black Caucus, turning a whole bunch of them to
Cuban agents. And to stop that, to slow it down,
(29:35):
we have sanctioned Cuba very very effectively and necessarily. But
we haven't done that to Cuba's major sponsors, I, Russia,
China and their friend Aram. You know, we've got to
apply the same strategy. The only reason these countries are
(29:55):
a threat to us is because stupid people have allowed
them to become a meshed in our economies and those
and our government and our enemies have exploited that, and
they brought up so many of our congressmen and senators
that when you try and get it stopped, it's very
hard to stop the gravy train because so many people
(30:17):
are on the take.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
So, whether it's the Chinese communists or the guitaries when
we see them making significant investments in our college campuses,
for example, or our media, including we're increasingly hearing conservative
(30:42):
media at least on the part of the qataries to
say nothing of the financial sector or businesses, or for
that matter, government collective office campaigns. Perhaps we should be
(31:02):
on notice that that is perilous in the extreme.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Is that your sort of bottom line?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Look, it's all about influence. And I quoted my book
on Kamala Harris Stealth. I quote a top Chinese official
and said, we are going to have organizations in every
congressional district in America, whether it's car plants, battery plants,
voter registration organizations, because if we have these organizations that
(31:32):
employ large numbers of Americans, the local congressman will never
vote against China because a large number of his constituencies
jobs depend on China.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Hold the thought, Trevor. We're going to come right back
on that point. Stay tuned, folks will be with you
in just a moment.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
More of Trevor Lavian, author of Enemies Within Welcome back.
(32:13):
And I'm delighted to say we have Trevor laden still
with us. In fact, we have two more segments with him,
rounding out this very deep dive on the problem, the phenomenon,
the largely unappreciated danger of the enemies within the United
States at this moment. Trevor, we talked a bit about
(32:36):
what Kataris are doing to penetrate and subvert, certainly influence Americans.
Bring them alongside. Let's talk a little bit about the
Chinese in particular, in addition to the People's Liberation Army
personnel that we've heard are now operating inside this country.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Exactly they're doing, where.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
They're doing it, unclear alas, but they appear to be
here in very large numbers. So are students from China populating.
I think most, if not virtually all of our college
campuses talk a little bit about how you get to
be a student in the United States from China.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
What are the legal and other restraints under which you
have to operate, and what.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Might that mean in terms of a vast cohort. I
mean's something on the north of three hundred thousand, I'm told,
should they become weaponized against us as well?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Well, they are being weaponized now, but I'll explain that.
But look, you come here from China, if you're a
member of a Communist party family, or your family is
regarded as loyal to the regime. If your family is
Fealongong or Christian or underground Catholic, you're not coming to
the United States. You can forget it. You have to
(34:05):
be loyal, you have to have family back home, you
have to be controllable, and so so you know, large numbers.
They reckon at least ten percent of the Chinese students
here are answerable to the intelligence services. I would say
it's one hundred percent personally, but they say at least
ten percent, and they are working in labs. They're working
(34:28):
in it, they are working and all sorts of sophisticated.
You know, these kids don't come here to study sociology.
They do the stems, they do sciences, they do hard
stuff that has national security implications. But here's the other thing.
There's been major scandals in China about Chinese students being
(34:51):
used to fake vote and man polling boots in certain
Canadian elections. They reckon they influenced at least twelve twelve
seats in the election before the last one, probably way
more in the last election in Australia. Yeah, in Canada.
In Australia they said there was a thirty percent swing
(35:15):
towards the Labor Party by Chinese immigrants in the in
students in the last election. That's unheard of because the
Chinese Communist Party basically made it very clear who their
favorite candidate was, the Communist Albanesi, the incumbent prime minister.
They wanted him back. So it's like the Moslims, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
With profile in your newest book, come Prime Minister.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Prime Minister year. So look, they are they are used
for all sorts of things, and that's why they have
these Chinese police stations all over America. These these are
not like a station where you're going to lay a
complaint if, for somebody, somebody drops rubbish in your backyard.
These are little groups of Chinese affiliated people who monitor
(36:08):
the local Chinese students and the Chinese diasper make sure
there's no impure thoughts getting in sending information back to China,
all this kind of thing. Tim Walls, as I record
my book too, was very very close to one of
these Chinese police stations in Minneapolis, which has a large
(36:29):
Chinese community. So these Chinese students, look, they should not
be allowed in the country. It's as simple as that,
you know, would you bring in three hundred thousand German
students who are all the children of Nazi Party members
in nineteen thirty nine and expect to have a good result?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
So, Trevor, the other piece of this is that every
single one of these students, in addition to being selected
because well, I guess have a good social credit score
and lineage, political, if not physical, they know that they're
(37:10):
here under the laws of China. Are they not talk
a little bit about that? And I'm told that one
of the other facets of these so called overseas police
service centers is to have the students in question here
(37:30):
in the States see some of their loved ones in
the hands of what looked like some pretty unsavory thugs
in China, presumably law enforcement personnel or Ministry of State
Security or something. They're under no illusion that they have
to abide by what they're being told to do.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (37:53):
And what kinds of things do you believe they are
being told by the CCP.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Well, they've been told together information. They've been told to
vote certain ways or get involved in elections, whether illegally
or not, usually illegally. They are also you know, there
are major Chinese sponsored voter registration organizations here in the
Key Swing states, run through the Chinese Progressive Association with
(38:18):
San Francisco, which works directly with the Chinese consulate in
San Francisco. They boast that they won the election for
Biden Harris in twenty twenty. They made the difference in
this key state. So that and some of these students
will also have military backgrounds. But I think the main
(38:39):
thing they will do is be used to police other students,
So they're all policing each other and steal technology, and
you you know, steal patents, steal technology, still chemical processes,
still military secrets. And also the other thing we've we've
found several that have been several prosecutions in recent years
(39:02):
off spies, Chinese spies working in the US military, and
everyone has been Chinese born. They may be American citizens,
they are in the military, and they've been prosecuted. And
everyone was either born in China or as Chinese parents,
every single one.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Which reminds me of terrible that Dick Durbin, Senator from Illinois,
has had the bright idea of having illegal aliens from overseas,
presumably Chinese among them, serve in the military.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Well, that's right, mark these citizens. In short order, Trevor,
we have to take another short break. I vote you
to finish that particular thought. But I do want to
talk with you about your I think brilliant ideas about
what we need to do about.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
These enemies with at this very very important juncture. We'll
get to that next. Welcome back to this final installment
(40:17):
of this very special edition of Securing America, where we
are speaking about the phenomenon of the enemies within with
one of the world's leading authorities on the subject. I
call him a binational Treasury Hills originally from New Zealand,
as you may have discerned from his accent, but he
is very much part of America now having married an
(40:38):
American citizen and now making this his home, for which
we are profoundly grateful. And Trevor, I had to cut
you off due to the exigencies of time, but I
think you wanted to make a further point about yes
particular problem.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Well, look, Dick Durbin of Illinois, as you said, has
pushed the idea of bringing illegals into the US mel
tree and giving them citizenship, and so has Mark Vacy,
the Congressman from North Texas. He's done the same thing.
From the Armed Services Committee. Vycy is very close to
the Communist Party USA, which is completely law to China.
(41:16):
And Dick Durbin has a Communist background of his own
in his own rights, and is very close to the
Harness Center in Chicago, which is basically a pro North
Korean outfit. So it's not surprising. Imagine having several hundred
thousand illegal immigrants in the military, completely unvetted, from many
(41:36):
from hostile foreign countries. How dangerous would that be? In
a war, or even the lead up to a war.
How much espionage, treachery and that are we opening ourselves
up to if we followed the advice of those two
extreme leftists.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Well, you know, it seems to me this speaks to
a larger problem, and we'll have to have you back
to discuss it at greater length because we've got one
other thing we need to address now, a lack of
national security mindedness. It's it's simply insane if it's not
very malevolent that one would even contemplate, you know, the
(42:19):
the blue on green problem or green on blue problem.
I guess it was called in Afghanistan, for example, where
you know, soldiers were being whacked by people they were
told to trust as comrades in arms, not in our
own uniform, but in an ally. It's ostensibly this would
be true in space. To say nothing of what harms
(42:40):
they might do.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
It would destroy their whole You would not trust.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Yeah, at all.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Part of the strategy isn't it down the US military?
So Trevor, you've done some very I think important and
creative thinking about how, given how advanced, how foreign fantastasized,
one might say this problem of enemies within is what
we might yet do to try to prevent the desired
(43:13):
takedown of the country that apparently is animating them.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Give us your thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Well, I think the biggest problem we have is the
massive Soviet, Russian, Chinese, Iranian, Cuban cartel globalist infiltration of
our major institutions, including Congress, Hollywood, Wall Street, and so
we can never do anything to counter our enemies because
(43:39):
they have so many people inside our system who are
stopping us. So President Trump has a unique opportunity here.
He's finally got a director of the FBI who's going
to take security seriously, and he's got a massive problem
of foreign infiltration. So what do you do? This is
what I think he should do. Get Cash Battel to
(44:01):
set up a new agency subsidiary to the FBI, totally
veted of ex military guys, special forces, sheriff's deputies, vet
and vet and vet them. To get this elite unit
whose entire job is to go after foreign agents. So
(44:22):
you've got this institution that is all about taking down
foreign agents. And then the president could declare a three
month amnesty. Every foreign subversive, every American traitor has got
three months to come in and fire. Well, if you're foreigner,
(44:43):
to leave the country and never come back. And if
you're a local, you come into the new agency and
register your name, and you spill your guts, and you
tell everything you've done, who you betrayed, what you stole,
who you bought off, You tell everything, and if you're honest,
you get full immunity from prosecution, and your punishment is
(45:06):
between you and God. I think if the president did this,
you'd see hundreds of thousands of Russians, Chinese cartel Iranians
leave the country within three months, and I'd say you'd
have several thousand people coming forward to tell what they
had done, because a lot of these people want out,
(45:26):
they're trapped. They won out, but the only way out
is jail, right now, give them the way out. Look.
That would cause a massive meltdown of every foreign intelligence
network in the country, because the Iranian businessman who was
paying off the senator wouldn't know if the senator had
taken a deal and was wearing a wire, and the
(45:47):
senator wouldn't know if the Iranian businessman had taken the
deal and was wearing a wire. So there would melt
down these all of these organizations would melt down, and
you'd have several thousand people coming forward willing to tell
their story to the American public. The American public would
finally understand how deep this problem was and would support
(46:10):
the security measures going forward to make sure it doesn't
happen again. And you don't have to prosecute probably a
few hundred people who didn't come forward, but you'd have
the biggest cleansing of foreign influence operations in your country
you've ever seen. It would completely wipe out these things,
(46:32):
and America could finally start to recover some sanity and
go forward to a much better future. It's the It's
how you take down organized crime. You get low level guys,
you offer them a deal, they rat on their bosses,
and you take them down. This has to be applied
to the penetration of foreign intelligence operations in America. This
(46:55):
is how it has to be.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yew, this makes emminent sense to me.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
And again, as you say, Trevor, this is not some
pie in the sky idea. This is something that has
been demonstrated to be successful in counter mafia operations. And
I'm fond of saying that the Chinese Communist Party, and
for that matter. I think these other totalitarian elements really
(47:20):
are at their core transnational criminal organizations, so treat them
as such prospect that you may be able to turn
them against one another to save our country from the
enemy within. Trevor Ludden, I can't believe how fast the
time flies. You have been as always generous with that time,
(47:42):
and I so appreciate what you do. Thank you for
being one of our fellows at the Institute for the
American Future, and for all your collective works.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
I know you'll keep it up. I hope you'll come
back to with so.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
I hope the rest of you'll do the same next time.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Until then, go forth and
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