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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Affne, the program
that's a kind of an owner's manual for protecting the
country we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to
the glory of God and his kingdom. We're going to
be talking about what is arguably the greatest threat we
face at this moment, which arises from the Iranian regime,
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what it is still capable of doing, and whether it
will have the opportunity to do the harm that it
seeks to not only Israel but to us. Before we
get to our first guest to talk about all of
that in detail, I wanted to give you some preliminary
thoughts of my own. President Trump abruptly left the G
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seven meeting to work on the conflict between Israel and
Iran's mullas. Thankfully, he has explicitly said it's not to
pursue a ceasefire whose practical effect would be to deny
the decisive victory israel security and ours requires. Instead, mister
Trump has said he's working on something bigger and that
he wants a real end to the Iranian nuclear threat,
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meaning Tehran giving up entirely. Our SUPERB emergency briefing yesterday
showed why the Iranian regime is committed to our destruction,
not just Israel's. It's compelled by faith to lie in
any negotiation, and it'll use anything short of complete defeat
to regroup, rearm, and resume its war on Judeo Christian civilization.
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Afraid the Trump team and you will go to Victory
the Victory Coalition's website victoryco dot org to see why
there is really no substitute for the decisive victory. Let's
turn to doctor David Wormser to explore why that is so.
This is a moment of truth for I believe our
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country as well as of course for Israel. It is
a time of choosing, and I'm anxious to get David's
sense of the lay of the land in terms of
this campaign to destroy yes Iran's nuclear capabilities and the
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means of delivering them, but also the necessary step of
destroying the mullahocracy that has brought us to this pass
as well, and whether we are going to help Israel
do that. David Wormser is a man of great experience
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in these matters, having not only studied them closely, but
having been a national security practitioner at the highest levels
of our government, a naval intelligence officer, among other things,
but also an advisor on the Middle East, to an
under Secretary of State, the National Security Advisor, and the
Vice President of the United States. These days, the senior
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analyst and director for mid these programs at the Center
for Security Policy, David warns, are welcome back. It's so
good to have you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, well, in Rome, I was on my way to Israel.
In two hours from landing in Tel Aviv. They turned
the plane around and landed us in Rome in an emergency,
which subsequently became the war we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yes, that war is quite far advanced, considering it's only
been I guess five days or so. Give us a
current situation report if you were doing an intelligence brief,
how do you see the war at the moment, not
just tactically, but in terms of the grand strategy that
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is playing out.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Before Sure, the very first waves of Israeli actions were
focused mostly on several targets, or several categories of target.
It's the first one was the command and control structure
of the Iranian regime. To confuse them and paralyze them
and preempt them, and to essentially keep them from being
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able to respond effectively to the next things that Israel
was going to do. The second batch of things were
the most critical and easiest nuclear targets, nuclear program targets,
so that Iran cannot very quickly cobble together something of
a bomb, even a dirty bomb, but to begin to
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take out as much of that as possible. It's quick
at the beginning. And then the third, which was the
most critical, was to Israel had the ability to take
to get air penetration and to reach wherever they needed
to reach, but they needed to clean out the Iranian
airspace of Iranian anti aircraft, but also early warning all
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sorts of radars and so forth, so that they can
maintain not only complete dominance and fly just about any
aircraft they want over Iran without any worry of being
shot down, but also to blind the Iranian regime to
what's coming. An early warning radar can't shoot anything down,
it's not connected to a shooting down structure, but it
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is something that can alert Krameni that the Israelis are
coming to bomb's bunker. So they That was the first
day or two of the operation that was expected to
take a week, and apparently it took a little over
a day, so it was a tremendous success, far more
than they thought, which led to the next batch, which
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is to really go after the missile launchers, because of
course that's what is shutting Israel down, is isolating Israel
from the rest of the world by having its airspace
shut down. The Israeli economy is completely shut down. So
as a result, the missiles became the next critical thing
to deal with to essentially bring Israel back to normalcy
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internally so they can sustain this war over weeks will
Iran cannot uh. And then also to continue the regime
command and control structure. And then eventually they were going
to intend to circle back and finish the tough targets
on the nuclear side and the tough targets on the
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missile side UH. And again all this is proceeding much
faster than what they had expected.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
UH.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
And the further the missiles go away, the more the
Israelis are able to function normally also in terms of
attacking Iran, and and so now what you're getting is
the most aggressive waves of attacks against the nuclear program.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Again and so forth.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Now in the last two days, this has also opened
up the Iranian regime and the Iranian regime stability. We
are seeing very clear signs that the Iranian regime is
becoming desperate. That despair now has turned into signs of
loss of control and even quite frankly teetering. So that's
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what we are and that now becomes not the intended objective,
but a very useful byproduct that you don't want to
shut down at this.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Point, David, I want to clarify that because there has
been talk from the get go that it was an
intended objective to end this regime, and frankly, as you know,
I have believed and I think you too, that anything
short of that was just, you know, an invitation to
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more of the same over time maybe and certainly more
of the horrific repression of the people of Iran, who
are our natural allies in this particular long running bar
Was it actually a priority for the Natannellhu government or
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wasn't it? And if it's not, is it now in
your estimation in reach?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I think that it was an intended byproduct. It wasn't
the absolute most important thing. The most important thing was
to gain air superiority shut down the missile threat so
that Israel doesn't suffer under these missiles much longer and
keep losing people, and then that opens the door for
the nuclear issue, which was of course the highest level,
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along with the fundamental industrial structure.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Behind the missile systems.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
So that was the highest level. But there was definitely
an awareness that the regime could be destabilized, and they
were perfectly happy to do operations that were intended to
create that that in fact targets that didn't make sense
other than through that.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
So I think it was something that they.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Didn't there wish for, but they did work for, and
they didn't had to work for.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
And really to that point, David, President Prime Minister that's
in Yahoo did say in several explicit appeals to the
Iranian people to move on this opportunity to liberate themselves.
And again, however you characterize that as a as a
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war aim, it certainly has to be and hopefully is
going to be the outcome. David, we have to take
a short break. We'll come back and assess where that
stands and and and the reason that all of this
had to take place. Now, stay tuned, be right back,
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Welcome back, and welcome once again to doctor David wormser
joining us from Rome. Doctor, we are looking at an
evolving and dynamic situation. I think your assessment and the
first block is that it is going rather better than
might have been the case. Thanks be to God for that.
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Two questions arise. One is there seems to be some
confusion about how imminent the threat of a nuclear capability
in Iran was, and some are suggesting that this was
all just kind of wag the dog exercise by Bbnohu
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because of his internal political concerns. Could you clarify the
cause that precipitate this and whether it's anything other than
strategic in character.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Sure, let me start backwards forwards the tail wagging the dog,
in other words, that the idea that the war is
to continue BB's political career.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
We heard this with Gaza too.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
The only problem is that most people in Israel, first
of all with Gaza, were frustrated that the war wasn't
going more aggressively, not less. It's not BB's war now
as far as Iran goes. If it is really the
tail wagging the dog or a sort of an attempt
to save his government, you'd think the Israeli opposition would
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be the loudest in condemning it. But you see these
voices who are saying this, none of them are Israeli.
Not even the left in Israel is criticizing Bbe. The opposite.
They were first of all saying criticizing him for not
doing it in the weeks leading up to it, and
second of all they were they are now one hundred
percent behind him.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
There was a very good picture.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
This morning of Israel with it's one of its most
left leaning opposition parties hugging and really a warm meeting
between him and the Prime Minister to express solidarity over
what they're doing. This is a wall to wall consensus
in Israel. There's no Israeli who thinks this was unnecessary.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
As far as the.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Timing goes, I'm not sure what the Prime Minister said,
and he might have misspoken saying months instead of days.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
But we know from the IAEA, we know.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
From other Israeli government statements, we know from French statements,
and we know from reports of certain activities that the
Israelis that the Iranians were potentially days or single weeks
away from a nuclear device they had detected. The IAEA,
which is no pro Israeli organization or part of the
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UN The IAEA had detected is Iranian implosion technologies being
loaded into structures which are basically devices, and that's the
weaponization structure. The certain types of metal and metallurgy and
so forth that was being employed were really final steps
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of the weaponization. And they had had sixty percent uranium,
which can be by the way, weaponized, not efficiently, but
it can be weaponized.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
And they were literally.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Between seven and twelve days away from taking that and
turning it into ninety percent. The estimate was within the
first four to six days they could turn one twenty
five kilogram bomb around and then it would take another
week or two to turn another nine. So Iran was
about three or so weeks two three weeks away from
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a weaponized nuclear arsenal, not just bomb.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
So, David, you have a background, as I mentioned in
Naval Intelligence. One of the things that people who are
caviling about the president's apparent support, strong support for Israel
and all of this, and I want to come back
to that in a moment, have pointed to as belying
all of this is a statement that was made by
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Tulsea Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence, very shortly after
she took office, obviously prepared by the you know, the
holdovers of the Biden administration, but nonetheless presented by her
to Congress in March, she said, there, you know, the
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consensus of the intelligence community of the United States is
there is no nuclear weapons program in Iran, and they
gave it up effectively and haven't restarted it since two
thousand and three.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Your thoughts, well, that national intelligence estement from literally almost
two decades ago, that this is based on what was
a lie to begin with, because we knew at the time,
and the IAA and others had said at the time
that there were nuclear activities that were weaponization activities. Then
the Obama administration came in and they put everything on
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this nuclear fatwah that said, well, it's not Islamic to
develop Obama and they put so much emphasis on this
except the fact is that fatwa never existed.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
It never was, or it wouldn't be true if it did.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
The Iranians were very clever. They sort of got their
agents to feel this idea that there was a fatwa,
and then they never corrected the impression. They never said
there wasn't a fat there was a fatwa. They simply
never corrected the impression. So Iran all along has been
developing a bomb. We know that from the archives, the
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nuclear archives that Israel had. So the Tulsi Gabbard issue,
what it is is really the problem here, which is
the intelligence community is part of the establishment, the Washington Swamp,
the establishment, whatever we want to call it, that is
trying to sabotage the mega agenda, the America First Agenda,
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to make America Great agenda, the America Proud and toll
of Reagan agenda that this administration is representing. And part
of this has been the very establishment view that Iran
has to be negotiated with. It's not really our enemy,
it's all rhetoric. They're sort of moderates and hardliners and
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so forth. And that community is what defined Tulci Gabbert
in the first weeks, because she has no staff and
she did not know enough.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
About the intelligence to know that.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
She can't question she must question this. What they were
handing her was something to handcuff her, not a genuine
intelligence assessment.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
It seems to have had that effect, and this needs
to be clarified and fixed. David, let me take the
last couple of minutes. We have with you quickly to
assess where Donald Trump is in all of this. As
I say, he's being in or tuned to try to
essentially stop Israel from achieving the decisive victory that seems
to be in the offing. What's your assessment, sir.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I think Donald Trump, deep down is where he's always been.
He knows that an Iranian nuclear device is the end
of America first in the region. It's the end of
America great in the region. It is a catastrophic defeat
and retreat of the United States if that happens. It
also is a grave threat to Israel's existence, which is
central to American power in the region as well. So
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he understands that this cannot be allowed to happen. He
said this in twenty seventeen. He's doing it now, so
I think he's in the right place where he wants
to go. He still puts some stock in a negotiated settlement,
and he thinks that this war is the mechanism to
bring Iran to its knees. He's a work in progress
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on the tactics of getting there. Early on it was okay.
The Israelis have shown the Iranians were serious, and now
they're going to come to an agreement. Now he's talking
more and more, let's bring Iran's going to come to
its knees, and it's going to surrender without a lot
of American concessions. It's nuclear program. So he's talking more
now in terms of surrender of Iran. However, he's not
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yet talking in terms of the destruction of the Iranian regime.
And that's where the Israelis are reaching into and I
think the reason for it is, first of all, he's
the intelligence community is still an issue, and they're telling them, no, no,
that's not going to happen. Number one, and number two,
they're telling them, well, if it happens, then it's a mess,
and Iran will be a mess, and we're going to
be dragged in in a nation building and all that.
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So he's still not there in terms of if the
regime's going to collapse as a byproduct of what Israel's
doing and the Iranian peoples.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
And by the way, it's the Iranian.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
People who will be engaged in the regime change action,
not Israel or the United States.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
And we did a very powerful webinar yesterday. As I
mentioned in my commentary, David I encourage everybody to go
check it out at victoryco dot org. One of the
key points was made I believe by you that if
the administration does indeed get into some kind of deal
making mode with the Iranian Mulla's, it will have a
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very depressive effect on the appetite of the people of
Iran to take the risk, and there will be a
considerable risk to try to bring it down. David, we
are out of time, alas, and so much more to
talk with you about safe travels onward to Israel, hopefully
in the next day or so, and we'll look forward
to your reporting from there. But thank you for your
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time and insights today. They are extraordinarily important and much
I appreciate it. God bless you, my friend. Stay well,
we'll be right back with more folks. Stay tuned. We're
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back and when I'm able to say so. Is Dave
Walsh is a banner day here at Securing in America,
one of our favorite guests, a duty expert on all
things energy related. You perhaps are aware of his background
as a senior executive at Westinghouse and Missipucci powers these
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days with the Dakota Group, a consulting firm but he
is very very much a fixture now in some of
the programming here at Real America's Voice, notably with our
friend Steve Bennon, and of course our program because of
his incisive commentaries about and understanding of the energy security
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needs of our nation and how they are affecting both
domestick economic and grand strategic imperatives as well. And Dave
came up on the net with me this morning making
some extremely important points about how the subject that we've
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been discussing in the course of the program for the
past couple of days, namely the campaign Israel has been
obliged to wage against the Iranian Mullahs and their nuclear
weapons program, bears on the main thing as we're fond
of calling it, thanks to Captain James Fonel China, the
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Chinese Communist Party and the threat that it poses to
all of us. Dave Welsh, thank you so much for
joining us. Welcome back, Rank thanks for having me so
give us sort of your lay of the land as
you see it, formed obviously by your expertise in the
energy sector, but also your larger, extremely impressive strategic document well.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
The Xijiping seized upon the Biden weakness of allowing the
deterioration of our sanctions against Iran to jump all over
this as a beachhead proxy state for them in the
Middle East, of extreme rancor to the US and its policies,
Iran wanting eventually to destroy US according to their own rhetoric,
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and certainly destroy Israel, using them as a beachhead for
one massively necessary oil supply to China, immediately negotiating two
million barrels a day at Brent crude pricing minus forty
a forty percent discount from Brent crude pricing, so he
got a rond to abandon the Opeq cartel to serve
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their new slave master, China, but in exchange, also not
for hard dollars, but for rememby, forced to sell the
oil and rememby and to spend them remmbee in China
on Chinese hardware, but including a lot of Chinese high
tech electronic warfare component support for Iran, including major military
hardware for Iran from China, along with in the long run,
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building couple of gas pipelines natural gas pipelines from Iran
to China, which China desperately needs, not lng from here
that they want to wean off of completely but pipeline
much cheaper natural gas from Russia and secondly from Iran.
All this was agree two and a half years ago.
So you've got this proxy state for China set up
holy hostile to our issues and our agenda and particularly
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Israel's existence, supported directly by China. So all due respect
to anyone talking about concerns with Iran as a proxy
state of Russia, no more pointedly in the last two
and a half years, clearly clearly of China. So we
have an ally closely aligned ally willing to be on
the point of the spear taking them on for the
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hideous support of Hamas Hezbola and the Houthis, and particularly
what happened a couple of octobers ago. You know this
is this is along the lines of China has overreached
its boundaries of being able to influence global policy. They're
ahead of their skis, they're too far afield, they're in
place they don't belong. And this is this is a
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key part of particularly this long term publicly announced effort
in Iran to develop a nuclear capability to wipe out
Israel that they've repeated oftentimes in public, have the technology
to do use centrifuges to go ahead and develop enrich
uranium for bomb creating purposes. That this is, this is
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a whole different situation than Iraq that had nothing to
do with China, and have in this case a very
clear articulated strategy and tactics underway in rod to develop
a nuclear nuclear arsenal that's known, a known, a known
thing and also I would add well known to NAT.
Yahoo had, according out to around themselves, numerous numerous intelligence
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operators inside of the Iranian government reporting back to him
basically everything going on there so acting with a lot
of intelligence in what he's done.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
So just to cut to the chase here, what you're saying,
as I understand it is, we have an opportunity by
helping this close ally at the point the end of
the spear, willing to take on the Iranian regime and
its nuclear ambitions and its missiles and so on, to
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smite not only an enemy that is obviously a mortal
peril to Israel, but also has made no secret of
their commitment. Not just as the Grandi Havela himself has said,
death to America is not a slogan, It is a policy,
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and perhaps if Israel succeeds in defeating decisively Iran, also
delivering a very important setback to the other very serious
enemy we have, I would argue even more dangerous enemy,
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namely the Chinese Communist Party as well.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah, I mean right, at this point, it doesn't look
like they need very much support in successfully controlling Iran.
The israelis so the last thing we need is a
definitive statement that we will never support that. No purpose
served with making a definitive statement that will never support that.
It doesn't appear that we need to say much of
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anything right now. They're doing, if you will, a damn
fine job on their own, which would be the best
case scenario here. But let's not step up in state
unequivocally we'll never support them in this those who have
said death to America and those who have expressed continuous, constant,
consistent annihilation of Israel in their mantra as a strategy
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and tactic, I think it would be a mistake to
claim that we would never support our ally Israel. We're
not seeking right now on an endorsement of jumping in.
It looks like it may not be necessary.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
It does look that way but just on this point
about China, if we were to fail to decisively defeat
the mows in Iran, would it we're down to the
benefit of the Chinese Communist Party, would you say, obviously,
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if they are able to continue getting oil and natural
gas and whatever else, but strategically as well, do you
think that they would be emboldened perhaps to believe even
that that failure of will on the part of the
West would be you know, perhaps conducive to They're pressing
the test in very much.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
So, very much so. And because the even comparing this
to Ukraine, we're not we're talking here about that nation
who is the enemy. China clearly our enemy, clearly our
adversary in Southeast Asia, in the Pacific Rim, Taiwan, South America,
where Secretary of State Rubio has been very effective at
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dislodging them in early efforts from Panama, a notorious positive
initiative of this administration. They're having a major foothold among
the most unstable nation in the Middle East, that is,
egregiously the most hostile to US and the largest with
the most military capabilities, a disaster for US, but their
dependence on Iran is huge. China doesn't have in ground
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natural gas and inequantity. The ability to extract a couple
of pipelines and pipeline natural gas out of with two
million barrels a day of oil is incredibly meaningful to
propping up the Chinese economy. So they have reasons. In
addition to political instability being controlled and more influenced in
that region. Resource is a big, big issue for China
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coming off agreements they made with the clerical government. They're
only two and a half years ago, and massively beneficial
oil price connected to delivering military hardware to Iran. Very
different situation than Iraq was completely different.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, no, I couldn't agree more. But David, just staying
with this idea of China. You know, our friend Steve
Bennam often talks about the people of China, my budging,
the ordinary people, and the horrors that that government has
inflicted upon them over the years. By some estimates, one
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hundred million of them have been killed. Actually, if you
add in the number that were murdered in the womb
in accordance with their one child policy, for example, it's
maybe half a million excuse me, five hundred million. Rather,
this is a regime that is in very severe difficulty,
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as you know, for a variety of reasons, demographic among others.
But is it possible that if what I call the
li Baijing of Iran succeed in removing the allies of China,
these Mullahs again their enemy as well as ours and israels,
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that that might further incentivize people in China to take
matters into their own hands as well. I mean, in
other words, might we see a real reshaping of the
entire globe as a result of what is now in
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prospect in Iran. Oh?
Speaker 4 (31:05):
I think that's way possible. It's certainly more possible in
this case than the opposite case, in the opposite case
where they continue to successfully prosecute their expansionism abroad. Where
by the way, again kudo's to Marco Rubio for the
fantastic job undergirding his selection for the role he's in
in beginning to ward them off of South America, which
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is a exposing their weakness. They've got a position there
they're not strong enough to hang on to. He's proven
that already in this case, this case be of exactly
the same thing. This is a very good thing for us,
The fact that that's been exposed.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
We have to leave it at that. Dave Welsh, thank
you for this update. Come back soon if you would.
It's vital. Thanks for this. Thanks, your insight is ever
God bless you. We'll be right back, folks, Stay tuned.
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Welcome back, and I'm delighted to say welcome once again
to John Guandola, one of our featured guests about this
time each week. I'm very proud to say he is,
of course, a freedom fighter par excellence in the very
literal sense of the word, as a combat veteran the
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Force Reconnaissance Marines, also in his role as one of
the members of and then the commanding officer of the
SWAT Team of the FBI, and subsequently as a counter
terrorism special agent in the Bureau. Before leaving the bureau
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that is the FBI, he became one of those seized
with the problem of what I call Sharia supremacism, and
he did his level best to teach others inside the
FBI and elsewhere in the government for that matter, about
his insights and the threats that we are now witnessing
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playing out big time around the world. And unfortunately, as
we'll discuss with him here, as well, John has gone
on to other things. He is now very actively involved
in trying to train both law enforcement, government officials and
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private citizens about all of these threats and what can
be done about them. You can find out much more
about all of that at his website Johnguandolo dot com. John,
welcome back, my friend. Good to have you.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Frank. It's great to be back on with you.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Thank you. Let me start by asking about Iran. John.
As I indicated, you were a combat marine, you served
in the region. You have studied closely both the macro
problem of Sharia supremacism as well as its practice by Iran.
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As we speak, I think there's an epic decision pending.
President Trump may have already made it, removing forces around
the region and to the region. It seems, tanker fleets
and other assets, notably the USS Nimics now being redeployed
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from the Far East. When you look at what's going
on with this war Israel is waging against Iran, it's
really a campaign, properly understood, rather than the war. The
war has been underway.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
For decades, as you know.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
What do you make of it, sir? And what do
you think are the stakes in it coming out right and.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
That look like well, I appreciate the question.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
That's a big question.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
To jump start this conversation, I would say, first, whenever
I see these events take place, I always try to
put them in context of the larger war that we
are engaged in which we are engaged, and that would
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include obviously the Islamic movement globally as well as the
Islamic movement in North Americans specifically the United States. So first,
at the international level, I Ran continues going on six decades,
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certainly for five four to five decades, has been a
threat to the West, and not just as a potential
threat from nuclear weapons, but funding and promoting and physically
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militarily acting on their doctrine Sharia Islam in the Middle
East as well as in the West. And for certainly
since nine to eleven, there has been plenty of testimony,
plenty of public statements by officials in several administrations that
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Iran and the part of the Iranian government that is
his Belah a designated terrorist organization and the role they
play in the global terrorist networks. I think it's really
important to remind everyone that there's been plenty of unclassified
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public statements leadership in several administrations about the significant his
Bala networks here in the United States, the Iranian counterintelligence
influence operations in the key components of the United States
governments that have been exposed, certainly in the last five
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to ten years, But this goes back more than that.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
And so John, in addition to all of that, what
I call the kind of infrastructure that these jihadists have
established in our country, serious as that is, and whether
it's mosques or whether it's front organizations or whether it's cells.
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We're told that there are assassination teams that the Irunians
have inserted into this country for the purpose of killing
President Trump and some of his senior subordinates from his
first term. Do you credit those assessments, John, And if so,
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I mean maybe put it all together, But particularly with
that fine point, how serious would you regard the threat
inside this country is of Iranian operations?
Speaker 5 (38:27):
So I think the threat is real, it's significant, and
it's being for the most part completely unaddressed. I mean,
the problem is when these things, when these national news
media stories and real stories, real actions, real events pop up,
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we look at the event or at least the media
and many politicians look at the event, but the network
in the United States, both on the Sunni and the
Shia side, from the Islamic threat, those networks continue to
be unaddressed by the US government, by state governments across
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the United States, and have been since I would argue
before nine to eleven. That is the problem. And until
those the infrastructure, the networks for these operations are dismantled
and destroyed, we're going to continue to have a grave
and increasing threats to the United States.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
John hold the thought. We're going to talk about what
we need to do about that with one of our
great experts on the subject, John Guandolo. You're not going
to want to miss his recommendations. Stay tuned. We're back
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as is John Guandola. I'm very pleased to say please
check out his very, very valuable online resources as well
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a little bit about them. You can learn more about
all of it at John Guandola dot com. John, you have,
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as I've indicated, spent much of your professional life now
both becoming deeply knowledgeable about the nature of these well again,
my term Sharia supremacists and the gihad, that they are
compelled according to Sharia, to engage in both of the
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violent and the stealthy kind. You have described briefly in
the previous segment the concern that you have about, particularly
the Iranian piece, because that's obviously a matter of great
focus at the moment, but more generally the Islamic movement
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and its infrastructure and capabilities inside this country. I am
very much of the view, as I know you are,
that this is a ticking time bomb, and I think
on this program I certainly heard you say it elsewhere.
You believe that the ticking is perhaps ticking down rather rapidly,
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that there are those inside this country now who seek
to embrace not only the idea of jihad, but it's practice,
and to use it to take down, if they can,
this country to the extent that that is the case,
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talk about what we as a nation must do about this.
Recalling that Donald Trump back on that famous speech he
made in August fifteenth, twenty sixteen, in which he warned
about the ideological threat posed by what he called radical
Islamic terrorism. He talked about stripping out the networks that
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support those kinds of activities. So give us your both
situation report, if you will, and your assessment of the
course of action we must take.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
Well, that's really the crux of it all, isn't it.
What do we do? And I think the problem goes
back to acknowledging first acknowledging the real threat posed by
the Islamic movement globally and in the United States, the
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threat posed by the communist movement in the United States
and globally, and how those two movements are working again
other And so a lot of our time on this
program has been spent, Frank talking about these networks, and
rightly so, I believed, because they continue to be untouched.
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And so I think you can't talk about dismantling these
networks if you don't actually know who they are. Now
there have been people I think that could I could
I just.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Clarify one thing, because untouched is a sort of understatement.
I would say, you've done as much as anybody to
document this. We have actually seen government at various levels,
including the federal one, sadly, including to some extent under
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the Trump presidencies, actually sort of legitimizing of these elements
to some extent. I don't think knowing doing so if
they're you know, the Council of American Islamic Relations for example,
AMAS FRONT or their Iranian counterparts, but at least implicitly
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doing so. So just pick up from that point, if
you would.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Yeah, So that's a great points. And this is the issue.
It's not just that there's a there's an ignorance or
in a lack of action, the action being taken not
only at the federal level, at the state level. You know,
we just had that recent report out about Texas funding
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over thirteen million dollars of these jihadi organizations. Whether it's
the civilization jihad as they call it, or it's the
kinetic jihad, it's all part of the law of you know,
the Kurna concept of war. And so if we look
at these networks, you know, we can go back. I
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recall an article in the Free Beacon where Peter King
was quoted talking about the Iranian network. So again, public
statements about these networks are just as bad or worse.
They several national level leaders in our intelligence community, people
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that sit on or chair committees inside the Senate in
the House, saying that the Hisbola slash Iranian network because
Hisbela is a part of the Iranian government. It's not
just some offshoot, that's right. It's much stronger than the
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Sunni Muslim Brotherhood Hamas network. Now arguably in the United States,
the Muslim Brotherhood and currently in the United States run
by Aridawana Turkey is leading that effort here in the
United States. But the reality is these networks are identifiable.
We know the organizations both on the kinectic and non
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kinetic side. It's a massive counter intelligence network. You had
this whole Iranian network inside the Pentagon where the chief
of staff for the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special
Operations in the Department of Defense, where I was an
Iranian asset, Arion Tabat Toabai, and that entire network inside
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the government. This is just a couple of years ago.
And so when we look at the Iranian penetration influence
as well as the military kinetic side working directly with
Hamas Muslim Brotherhood in the United States and externally, it's
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significant and there is not Again, as you noted, it's
not only that the US government, including under the Trump administration,
isn't doing anything. They're taking actions that actually advances these networks.
And the solution is eradicating the network that gives hostile
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foreign nations like Iran the ability to operate here in
the United States. And so far again, not only has
that not been done and no serious counterintelligence effort been
made to undermine these networks here in the United States,
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the government, including under Trump, have actually taken actions to
advance it.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
John, we have to leave it at that. Much more
to come, especially if we roll up the head of
the snake, as they say in Iran. Come back to
assume with updates, Sir, if you would
Welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Affne, the program
that's a kind of an owner's manual for protecting the
country we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to
the glory of God and his kingdom. We're going to
be talking about what is arguably the greatest threat we
face at this moment, which arises from the Iranian regime,
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what it is still capable of doing, and whether it
will have the opportunity to do the harm that it
seeks to not only Israel but to us. Before we
get to our first guest to talk about all of
that in detail, I wanted to give you some preliminary
thoughts of my own. President Trump abruptly left the G
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seven meeting to work on the conflict between Israel and
Iran's mullas. Thankfully, he has explicitly said it's not to
pursue a ceasefire whose practical effect would be to deny
the decisive victory israel security and ours requires. Instead, mister
Trump has said he's working on something bigger and that
he wants a real end to the Iranian nuclear threat,
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meaning Tehran giving up entirely. Our SUPERB emergency briefing yesterday
showed why the Iranian regime is committed to our destruction,
not just Israel's. It's compelled by faith to lie in
any negotiation, and it'll use anything short of complete defeat
to regroup, rearm, and resume its war on Judeo Christian civilization.
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Afraid the Trump team and you will go to Victory
the Victory Coalition's website victoryco dot org to see why
there is really no substitute for the decisive victory. Let's
turn to doctor David Wormser to explore why that is so.
This is a moment of truth for I believe our
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country as well as of course for Israel. It is
a time of choosing, and I'm anxious to get David's
sense of the lay of the land in terms of
this campaign to destroy yes Iran's nuclear capabilities and the
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means of delivering them, but also the necessary step of
destroying the mullahocracy that has brought us to this pass
as well, and whether we are going to help Israel
do that. David Wormser is a man of great experience
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in these matters, having not only studied them closely, but
having been a national security practitioner at the highest levels
of our government, a naval intelligence officer, among other things,
but also an advisor on the Middle East, to an
under Secretary of State, the National Security Advisor, and the
Vice President of the United States. These days, the senior
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analyst and director for mid these programs at the Center
for Security Policy, David warns, are welcome back. It's so
good to have you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, well, in Rome, I was on my way to Israel.
In two hours from landing in Tel Aviv. They turned
the plane around and landed us in Rome in an emergency,
which subsequently became the war we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yes, that war is quite far advanced, considering it's only
been I guess five days or so. Give us a
current situation report if you were doing an intelligence brief,
how do you see the war at the moment, not
just tactically, but in terms of the grand strategy that
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is playing out.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Before Sure, the very first waves of Israeli actions were
focused mostly on several targets, or several categories of target.
It's the first one was the command and control structure
of the Iranian regime. To confuse them and paralyze them
and preempt them, and to essentially keep them from being
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able to respond effectively to the next things that Israel
was going to do. The second batch of things were
the most critical and easiest nuclear targets, nuclear program targets,
so that Iran cannot very quickly cobble together something of
a bomb, even a dirty bomb, but to begin to
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take out as much of that as possible. It's quick
at the beginning. And then the third, which was the
most critical, was to Israel had the ability to take
to get air penetration and to reach wherever they needed
to reach, but they needed to clean out the Iranian
airspace of Iranian anti aircraft, but also early warning all
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sorts of radars and so forth, so that they can
maintain not only complete dominance and fly just about any
aircraft they want over Iran without any worry of being
shot down, but also to blind the Iranian regime to
what's coming. An early warning radar can't shoot anything down,
it's not connected to a shooting down structure, but it
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is something that can alert Krameni that the Israelis are
coming to bomb's bunker. So they That was the first
day or two of the operation that was expected to
take a week, and apparently it took a little over
a day, so it was a tremendous success, far more
than they thought, which led to the next batch, which
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is to really go after the missile launchers, because of
course that's what is shutting Israel down, is isolating Israel
from the rest of the world by having its airspace
shut down. The Israeli economy is completely shut down. So
as a result, the missiles became the next critical thing
to deal with to essentially bring Israel back to normalcy
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internally so they can sustain this war over weeks will
Iran cannot uh. And then also to continue the regime
command and control structure. And then eventually they were going
to intend to circle back and finish the tough targets
on the nuclear side and the tough targets on the
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missile side UH. And again all this is proceeding much
faster than what they had expected.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
UH.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
And the further the missiles go away, the more the
Israelis are able to function normally also in terms of
attacking Iran, and and so now what you're getting is
the most aggressive waves of attacks against the nuclear program.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Again and so forth.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Now in the last two days, this has also opened
up the Iranian regime and the Iranian regime stability. We
are seeing very clear signs that the Iranian regime is
becoming desperate. That despair now has turned into signs of
loss of control and even quite frankly teetering. So that's
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what we are and that now becomes not the intended objective,
but a very useful byproduct that you don't want to
shut down at this.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Point, David, I want to clarify that because there has
been talk from the get go that it was an
intended objective to end this regime, and frankly, as you know,
I have believed and I think you too, that anything
short of that was just, you know, an invitation to
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more of the same over time maybe and certainly more
of the horrific repression of the people of Iran, who
are our natural allies in this particular long running bar
Was it actually a priority for the Natannellhu government or
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wasn't it? And if it's not, is it now in
your estimation in reach?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I think that it was an intended byproduct. It wasn't
the absolute most important thing. The most important thing was
to gain air superiority shut down the missile threat so
that Israel doesn't suffer under these missiles much longer and
keep losing people, and then that opens the door for
the nuclear issue, which was of course the highest level,
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along with the fundamental industrial structure.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Behind the missile systems.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
So that was the highest level. But there was definitely
an awareness that the regime could be destabilized, and they
were perfectly happy to do operations that were intended to
create that that in fact targets that didn't make sense
other than through that.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
So I think it was something that they.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Didn't there wish for, but they did work for, and
they didn't had to work for.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
And really to that point, David, President Prime Minister that's
in Yahoo did say in several explicit appeals to the
Iranian people to move on this opportunity to liberate themselves.
And again, however you characterize that as a as a
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war aim, it certainly has to be and hopefully is
going to be the outcome. David, we have to take
a short break. We'll come back and assess where that
stands and and and the reason that all of this
had to take place. Now, stay tuned, be right back,
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Welcome back, and welcome once again to doctor David wormser
joining us from Rome. Doctor, we are looking at an
evolving and dynamic situation. I think your assessment and the
first block is that it is going rather better than
might have been the case. Thanks be to God for that.
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Two questions arise. One is there seems to be some
confusion about how imminent the threat of a nuclear capability
in Iran was, and some are suggesting that this was
all just kind of wag the dog exercise by Bbnohu
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because of his internal political concerns. Could you clarify the
cause that precipitate this and whether it's anything other than
strategic in character.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Sure, let me start backwards forwards the tail wagging the dog,
in other words, that the idea that the war is
to continue BB's political career.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
We heard this with Gaza too.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
The only problem is that most people in Israel, first
of all with Gaza, were frustrated that the war wasn't
going more aggressively, not less. It's not BB's war now
as far as Iran goes. If it is really the
tail wagging the dog or a sort of an attempt
to save his government, you'd think the Israeli opposition would
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be the loudest in condemning it. But you see these
voices who are saying this, none of them are Israeli.
Not even the left in Israel is criticizing Bbe. The opposite.
They were first of all saying criticizing him for not
doing it in the weeks leading up to it, and
second of all they were they are now one hundred
percent behind him.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
There was a very good picture.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
This morning of Israel with it's one of its most
left leaning opposition parties hugging and really a warm meeting
between him and the Prime Minister to express solidarity over
what they're doing. This is a wall to wall consensus
in Israel. There's no Israeli who thinks this was unnecessary.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
As far as the.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Timing goes, I'm not sure what the Prime Minister said,
and he might have misspoken saying months instead of days.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
But we know from the IAEA, we know.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
From other Israeli government statements, we know from French statements,
and we know from reports of certain activities that the
Israelis that the Iranians were potentially days or single weeks
away from a nuclear device they had detected. The IAEA,
which is no pro Israeli organization or part of the
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UN The IAEA had detected is Iranian implosion technologies being
loaded into structures which are basically devices, and that's the
weaponization structure. The certain types of metal and metallurgy and
so forth that was being employed were really final steps
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of the weaponization. And they had had sixty percent uranium,
which can be by the way, weaponized, not efficiently, but
it can be weaponized.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
And they were literally.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Between seven and twelve days away from taking that and
turning it into ninety percent. The estimate was within the
first four to six days they could turn one twenty
five kilogram bomb around and then it would take another
week or two to turn another nine. So Iran was
about three or so weeks two three weeks away from
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a weaponized nuclear arsenal, not just bomb.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
So, David, you have a background, as I mentioned in
Naval Intelligence. One of the things that people who are
caviling about the president's apparent support, strong support for Israel
and all of this, and I want to come back
to that in a moment, have pointed to as belying
all of this is a statement that was made by
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Tulsea Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence, very shortly after
she took office, obviously prepared by the you know, the
holdovers of the Biden administration, but nonetheless presented by her
to Congress in March, she said, there, you know, the
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consensus of the intelligence community of the United States is
there is no nuclear weapons program in Iran, and they
gave it up effectively and haven't restarted it since two
thousand and three.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Your thoughts, well, that national intelligence estement from literally almost
two decades ago, that this is based on what was
a lie to begin with, because we knew at the time,
and the IAA and others had said at the time
that there were nuclear activities that were weaponization activities. Then
the Obama administration came in and they put everything on
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this nuclear fatwah that said, well, it's not Islamic to
develop Obama and they put so much emphasis on this
except the fact is that fatwa never existed.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
It never was, or it wouldn't be true if it did.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
The Iranians were very clever. They sort of got their
agents to feel this idea that there was a fatwa,
and then they never corrected the impression. They never said
there wasn't a fat there was a fatwa. They simply
never corrected the impression. So Iran all along has been
developing a bomb. We know that from the archives, the
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nuclear archives that Israel had. So the Tulsi Gabbard issue,
what it is is really the problem here, which is
the intelligence community is part of the establishment, the Washington Swamp,
the establishment, whatever we want to call it, that is
trying to sabotage the mega agenda, the America First Agenda,
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to make America Great agenda, the America Proud and toll
of Reagan agenda that this administration is representing. And part
of this has been the very establishment view that Iran
has to be negotiated with. It's not really our enemy,
it's all rhetoric. They're sort of moderates and hardliners and
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so forth. And that community is what defined Tulci Gabbert
in the first weeks, because she has no staff and
she did not know enough.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
About the intelligence to know that.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
She can't question she must question this. What they were
handing her was something to handcuff her, not a genuine
intelligence assessment.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
It seems to have had that effect, and this needs
to be clarified and fixed. David, let me take the
last couple of minutes. We have with you quickly to
assess where Donald Trump is in all of this. As
I say, he's being in or tuned to try to
essentially stop Israel from achieving the decisive victory that seems
to be in the offing. What's your assessment, sir.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I think Donald Trump, deep down is where he's always been.
He knows that an Iranian nuclear device is the end
of America first in the region. It's the end of
America great in the region. It is a catastrophic defeat
and retreat of the United States if that happens. It
also is a grave threat to Israel's existence, which is
central to American power in the region as well. So
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he understands that this cannot be allowed to happen. He
said this in twenty seventeen. He's doing it now, so
I think he's in the right place where he wants
to go. He still puts some stock in a negotiated settlement,
and he thinks that this war is the mechanism to
bring Iran to its knees. He's a work in progress
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on the tactics of getting there. Early on it was okay.
The Israelis have shown the Iranians were serious, and now
they're going to come to an agreement. Now he's talking
more and more, let's bring Iran's going to come to
its knees, and it's going to surrender without a lot
of American concessions. It's nuclear program. So he's talking more
now in terms of surrender of Iran. However, he's not
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yet talking in terms of the destruction of the Iranian regime.
And that's where the Israelis are reaching into and I
think the reason for it is, first of all, he's
the intelligence community is still an issue, and they're telling them, no, no,
that's not going to happen. Number one, and number two,
they're telling them, well, if it happens, then it's a mess,
and Iran will be a mess, and we're going to
be dragged in in a nation building and all that.
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So he's still not there in terms of if the
regime's going to collapse as a byproduct of what Israel's
doing and the Iranian peoples.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
And by the way, it's the Iranian.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
People who will be engaged in the regime change action,
not Israel or the United States.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
And we did a very powerful webinar yesterday. As I
mentioned in my commentary, David I encourage everybody to go
check it out at victoryco dot org. One of the
key points was made I believe by you that if
the administration does indeed get into some kind of deal
making mode with the Iranian Mulla's, it will have a
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very depressive effect on the appetite of the people of
Iran to take the risk, and there will be a
considerable risk to try to bring it down. David, we
are out of time, alas, and so much more to
talk with you about safe travels onward to Israel, hopefully
in the next day or so, and we'll look forward
to your reporting from there. But thank you for your
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time and insights today. They are extraordinarily important and much
I appreciate it. God bless you, my friend. Stay well,
we'll be right back with more folks. Stay tuned. We're
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back and when I'm able to say so. Is Dave
Walsh is a banner day here at Securing in America,
one of our favorite guests, a duty expert on all
things energy related. You perhaps are aware of his background
as a senior executive at Westinghouse and Missipucci powers these
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days with the Dakota Group, a consulting firm but he
is very very much a fixture now in some of
the programming here at Real America's Voice, notably with our
friend Steve Bennon, and of course our program because of
his incisive commentaries about and understanding of the energy security
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needs of our nation and how they are affecting both
domestick economic and grand strategic imperatives as well. And Dave
came up on the net with me this morning making
some extremely important points about how the subject that we've
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been discussing in the course of the program for the
past couple of days, namely the campaign Israel has been
obliged to wage against the Iranian Mullahs and their nuclear
weapons program, bears on the main thing as we're fond
of calling it, thanks to Captain James Fonel China, the
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Chinese Communist Party and the threat that it poses to
all of us. Dave Welsh, thank you so much for
joining us. Welcome back, Rank thanks for having me so
give us sort of your lay of the land as
you see it, formed obviously by your expertise in the
energy sector, but also your larger, extremely impressive strategic document well.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
The Xijiping seized upon the Biden weakness of allowing the
deterioration of our sanctions against Iran to jump all over
this as a beachhead proxy state for them in the
Middle East, of extreme rancor to the US and its policies,
Iran wanting eventually to destroy US according to their own rhetoric,
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and certainly destroy Israel, using them as a beachhead for
one massively necessary oil supply to China, immediately negotiating two
million barrels a day at Brent crude pricing minus forty
a forty percent discount from Brent crude pricing, so he
got a rond to abandon the Opeq cartel to serve
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their new slave master, China, but in exchange, also not
for hard dollars, but for rememby, forced to sell the
oil and rememby and to spend them remmbee in China
on Chinese hardware, but including a lot of Chinese high
tech electronic warfare component support for Iran, including major military
hardware for Iran from China, along with in the long run,
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building couple of gas pipelines natural gas pipelines from Iran
to China, which China desperately needs, not lng from here
that they want to wean off of completely but pipeline
much cheaper natural gas from Russia and secondly from Iran.
All this was agree two and a half years ago.
So you've got this proxy state for China set up
holy hostile to our issues and our agenda and particularly
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Israel's existence, supported directly by China. So all due respect
to anyone talking about concerns with Iran as a proxy
state of Russia, no more pointedly in the last two
and a half years, clearly clearly of China. So we
have an ally closely aligned ally willing to be on
the point of the spear taking them on for the
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hideous support of Hamas Hezbola and the Houthis, and particularly
what happened a couple of octobers ago. You know this
is this is along the lines of China has overreached
its boundaries of being able to influence global policy. They're
ahead of their skis, they're too far afield, they're in
place they don't belong. And this is this is a
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key part of particularly this long term publicly announced effort
in Iran to develop a nuclear capability to wipe out
Israel that they've repeated oftentimes in public, have the technology
to do use centrifuges to go ahead and develop enrich
uranium for bomb creating purposes. That this is, this is
(24:45):
a whole different situation than Iraq that had nothing to
do with China, and have in this case a very
clear articulated strategy and tactics underway in rod to develop
a nuclear nuclear arsenal that's known, a known, a known
thing and also I would add well known to NAT.
Yahoo had, according out to around themselves, numerous numerous intelligence
(25:10):
operators inside of the Iranian government reporting back to him
basically everything going on there so acting with a lot
of intelligence in what he's done.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
So just to cut to the chase here, what you're saying,
as I understand it is, we have an opportunity by
helping this close ally at the point the end of
the spear, willing to take on the Iranian regime and
its nuclear ambitions and its missiles and so on, to
(25:42):
smite not only an enemy that is obviously a mortal
peril to Israel, but also has made no secret of
their commitment. Not just as the Grandi Havela himself has said,
death to America is not a slogan, It is a policy,
(26:09):
and perhaps if Israel succeeds in defeating decisively Iran, also
delivering a very important setback to the other very serious
enemy we have, I would argue even more dangerous enemy,
(26:30):
namely the Chinese Communist Party as well.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah, I mean right, at this point, it doesn't look
like they need very much support in successfully controlling Iran.
The israelis so the last thing we need is a
definitive statement that we will never support that. No purpose
served with making a definitive statement that will never support that.
It doesn't appear that we need to say much of
(26:55):
anything right now. They're doing, if you will, a damn
fine job on their own, which would be the best
case scenario here. But let's not step up in state
unequivocally we'll never support them in this those who have
said death to America and those who have expressed continuous, constant,
consistent annihilation of Israel in their mantra as a strategy
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and tactic, I think it would be a mistake to
claim that we would never support our ally Israel. We're
not seeking right now on an endorsement of jumping in.
It looks like it may not be necessary.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
It does look that way but just on this point
about China, if we were to fail to decisively defeat
the mows in Iran, would it we're down to the
benefit of the Chinese Communist Party, would you say, obviously,
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if they are able to continue getting oil and natural
gas and whatever else, but strategically as well, do you
think that they would be emboldened perhaps to believe even
that that failure of will on the part of the
West would be you know, perhaps conducive to They're pressing
the test in very much.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
So, very much so. And because the even comparing this
to Ukraine, we're not we're talking here about that nation
who is the enemy. China clearly our enemy, clearly our
adversary in Southeast Asia, in the Pacific Rim, Taiwan, South America,
where Secretary of State Rubio has been very effective at
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dislodging them in early efforts from Panama, a notorious positive
initiative of this administration. They're having a major foothold among
the most unstable nation in the Middle East, that is,
egregiously the most hostile to US and the largest with
the most military capabilities, a disaster for US, but their
dependence on Iran is huge. China doesn't have in ground
(28:54):
natural gas and inequantity. The ability to extract a couple
of pipelines and pipeline natural gas out of with two
million barrels a day of oil is incredibly meaningful to
propping up the Chinese economy. So they have reasons. In
addition to political instability being controlled and more influenced in
that region. Resource is a big, big issue for China
(29:15):
coming off agreements they made with the clerical government. They're
only two and a half years ago, and massively beneficial
oil price connected to delivering military hardware to Iran. Very
different situation than Iraq was completely different.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, no, I couldn't agree more. But David, just staying
with this idea of China. You know, our friend Steve
Bennam often talks about the people of China, my budging,
the ordinary people, and the horrors that that government has
inflicted upon them over the years. By some estimates, one
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hundred million of them have been killed. Actually, if you
add in the number that were murdered in the womb
in accordance with their one child policy, for example, it's
maybe half a million excuse me, five hundred million. Rather,
this is a regime that is in very severe difficulty,
(30:17):
as you know, for a variety of reasons, demographic among others.
But is it possible that if what I call the
li Baijing of Iran succeed in removing the allies of China,
these Mullahs again their enemy as well as ours and israels,
(30:42):
that that might further incentivize people in China to take
matters into their own hands as well. I mean, in
other words, might we see a real reshaping of the
entire globe as a result of what is now in
(31:02):
prospect in Iran. Oh?
Speaker 4 (31:05):
I think that's way possible. It's certainly more possible in
this case than the opposite case, in the opposite case
where they continue to successfully prosecute their expansionism abroad. Where
by the way, again kudo's to Marco Rubio for the
fantastic job undergirding his selection for the role he's in
in beginning to ward them off of South America, which
(31:27):
is a exposing their weakness. They've got a position there
they're not strong enough to hang on to. He's proven
that already in this case, this case be of exactly
the same thing. This is a very good thing for us,
The fact that that's been exposed.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
We have to leave it at that. Dave Welsh, thank
you for this update. Come back soon if you would.
It's vital. Thanks for this. Thanks, your insight is ever
God bless you. We'll be right back, folks, Stay tuned.
(32:10):
Welcome back, and I'm delighted to say welcome once again
to John Guandola, one of our featured guests about this
time each week. I'm very proud to say he is,
of course, a freedom fighter par excellence in the very
literal sense of the word, as a combat veteran the
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Force Reconnaissance Marines, also in his role as one of
the members of and then the commanding officer of the
SWAT Team of the FBI, and subsequently as a counter
terrorism special agent in the Bureau. Before leaving the bureau
(32:53):
that is the FBI, he became one of those seized
with the problem of what I call Sharia supremacism, and
he did his level best to teach others inside the
FBI and elsewhere in the government for that matter, about
his insights and the threats that we are now witnessing
(33:14):
playing out big time around the world. And unfortunately, as
we'll discuss with him here, as well, John has gone
on to other things. He is now very actively involved
in trying to train both law enforcement, government officials and
(33:35):
private citizens about all of these threats and what can
be done about them. You can find out much more
about all of that at his website Johnguandolo dot com. John,
welcome back, my friend. Good to have you.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Frank. It's great to be back on with you.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Thank you. Let me start by asking about Iran. John.
As I indicated, you were a combat marine, you served
in the region. You have studied closely both the macro
problem of Sharia supremacism as well as its practice by Iran.
(34:14):
As we speak, I think there's an epic decision pending.
President Trump may have already made it, removing forces around
the region and to the region. It seems, tanker fleets
and other assets, notably the USS Nimics now being redeployed
(34:37):
from the Far East. When you look at what's going
on with this war Israel is waging against Iran, it's
really a campaign, properly understood, rather than the war. The
war has been underway.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
For decades, as you know.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
What do you make of it, sir? And what do
you think are the stakes in it coming out right and.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
That look like well, I appreciate the question.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
That's a big question.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
To jump start this conversation, I would say, first, whenever
I see these events take place, I always try to
put them in context of the larger war that we
are engaged in which we are engaged, and that would
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include obviously the Islamic movement globally as well as the
Islamic movement in North Americans specifically the United States. So first,
at the international level, I Ran continues going on six decades,
(35:48):
certainly for five four to five decades, has been a
threat to the West, and not just as a potential
threat from nuclear weapons, but funding and promoting and physically
(36:11):
militarily acting on their doctrine Sharia Islam in the Middle
East as well as in the West. And for certainly
since nine to eleven, there has been plenty of testimony,
plenty of public statements by officials in several administrations that
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Iran and the part of the Iranian government that is
his Belah a designated terrorist organization and the role they
play in the global terrorist networks. I think it's really
important to remind everyone that there's been plenty of unclassified
(36:57):
public statements leadership in several administrations about the significant his
Bala networks here in the United States, the Iranian counterintelligence
influence operations in the key components of the United States
governments that have been exposed, certainly in the last five
(37:20):
to ten years, But this goes back more than that.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
And so John, in addition to all of that, what
I call the kind of infrastructure that these jihadists have
established in our country, serious as that is, and whether
it's mosques or whether it's front organizations or whether it's cells.
(37:51):
We're told that there are assassination teams that the Irunians
have inserted into this country for the purpose of killing
President Trump and some of his senior subordinates from his
first term. Do you credit those assessments, John, And if so,
(38:11):
I mean maybe put it all together, But particularly with
that fine point, how serious would you regard the threat
inside this country is of Iranian operations?
Speaker 5 (38:27):
So I think the threat is real, it's significant, and
it's being for the most part completely unaddressed. I mean,
the problem is when these things, when these national news
media stories and real stories, real actions, real events pop up,
(38:48):
we look at the event or at least the media
and many politicians look at the event, but the network
in the United States, both on the Sunni and the
Shia side, from the Islamic threat, those networks continue to
be unaddressed by the US government, by state governments across
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the United States, and have been since I would argue
before nine to eleven. That is the problem. And until
those the infrastructure, the networks for these operations are dismantled
and destroyed, we're going to continue to have a grave
and increasing threats to the United States.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
John hold the thought. We're going to talk about what
we need to do about that with one of our
great experts on the subject, John Guandolo. You're not going
to want to miss his recommendations. Stay tuned. We're back
(40:01):
as is John Guandola. I'm very pleased to say please
check out his very, very valuable online resources as well
as the services he renders, and we're going to talk
a little bit about them. You can learn more about
all of it at John Guandola dot com. John, you have,
(40:21):
as I've indicated, spent much of your professional life now
both becoming deeply knowledgeable about the nature of these well again,
my term Sharia supremacists and the gihad, that they are
compelled according to Sharia, to engage in both of the
(40:47):
violent and the stealthy kind. You have described briefly in
the previous segment the concern that you have about, particularly
the Iranian piece, because that's obviously a matter of great
focus at the moment, but more generally the Islamic movement
(41:07):
and its infrastructure and capabilities inside this country. I am
very much of the view, as I know you are,
that this is a ticking time bomb, and I think
on this program I certainly heard you say it elsewhere.
You believe that the ticking is perhaps ticking down rather rapidly,
(41:33):
that there are those inside this country now who seek
to embrace not only the idea of jihad, but it's practice,
and to use it to take down, if they can,
this country to the extent that that is the case,
(41:55):
talk about what we as a nation must do about this.
Recalling that Donald Trump back on that famous speech he
made in August fifteenth, twenty sixteen, in which he warned
about the ideological threat posed by what he called radical
Islamic terrorism. He talked about stripping out the networks that
(42:21):
support those kinds of activities. So give us your both
situation report, if you will, and your assessment of the
course of action we must take.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
Well, that's really the crux of it all, isn't it.
What do we do? And I think the problem goes
back to acknowledging first acknowledging the real threat posed by
the Islamic movement globally and in the United States, the
(42:52):
threat posed by the communist movement in the United States
and globally, and how those two movements are working again
other And so a lot of our time on this
program has been spent, Frank talking about these networks, and
rightly so, I believed, because they continue to be untouched.
(43:13):
And so I think you can't talk about dismantling these
networks if you don't actually know who they are. Now
there have been people I think that could I could
I just.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Clarify one thing, because untouched is a sort of understatement.
I would say, you've done as much as anybody to
document this. We have actually seen government at various levels,
including the federal one, sadly, including to some extent under
(43:46):
the Trump presidencies, actually sort of legitimizing of these elements
to some extent. I don't think knowing doing so if
they're you know, the Council of American Islamic Relations for example,
AMAS FRONT or their Iranian counterparts, but at least implicitly
(44:12):
doing so. So just pick up from that point, if
you would.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Yeah, So that's a great points. And this is the issue.
It's not just that there's a there's an ignorance or
in a lack of action, the action being taken not
only at the federal level, at the state level. You know,
we just had that recent report out about Texas funding
(44:39):
over thirteen million dollars of these jihadi organizations. Whether it's
the civilization jihad as they call it, or it's the
kinetic jihad, it's all part of the law of you know,
the Kurna concept of war. And so if we look
at these networks, you know, we can go back. I
(45:00):
recall an article in the Free Beacon where Peter King
was quoted talking about the Iranian network. So again, public
statements about these networks are just as bad or worse.
They several national level leaders in our intelligence community, people
(45:23):
that sit on or chair committees inside the Senate in
the House, saying that the Hisbola slash Iranian network because
Hisbela is a part of the Iranian government. It's not
just some offshoot, that's right. It's much stronger than the
(45:45):
Sunni Muslim Brotherhood Hamas network. Now arguably in the United States,
the Muslim Brotherhood and currently in the United States run
by Aridawana Turkey is leading that effort here in the
United States. But the reality is these networks are identifiable.
We know the organizations both on the kinectic and non
(46:06):
kinetic side. It's a massive counter intelligence network. You had
this whole Iranian network inside the Pentagon where the chief
of staff for the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special
Operations in the Department of Defense, where I was an
Iranian asset, Arion Tabat Toabai, and that entire network inside
(46:29):
the government. This is just a couple of years ago.
And so when we look at the Iranian penetration influence
as well as the military kinetic side working directly with
Hamas Muslim Brotherhood in the United States and externally, it's
(46:49):
significant and there is not Again, as you noted, it's
not only that the US government, including under the Trump administration,
isn't doing anything. They're taking actions that actually advances these networks.
And the solution is eradicating the network that gives hostile
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foreign nations like Iran the ability to operate here in
the United States. And so far again, not only has
that not been done and no serious counterintelligence effort been
made to undermine these networks here in the United States,
(47:35):
the government, including under Trump, have actually taken actions to
advance it.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
John, we have to leave it at that. Much more
to come, especially if we roll up the head of
the snake, as they say in Iran. Come back to
assume with updates, Sir, if you would
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