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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Welcome to securing America with me, Frank Afney the problem.
That's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country
we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the
glory of God and his Kingdom. We're going to talk
about His kingdom here on earth and the important place
in it of the Holy Land, the state of Israel
and the challenges that it is facing in well preserving
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the Holy Land, among other things, as well as surviving
assorted enemies' efforts to destroy it. I'm must say that
whenever we talk about this subject, I think it is
absolutely imperative to understand that the enemies that are seeking
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the destruction of the State of Israel make no secret
about their determination to achieve the destruction of the United
States as well. Israel is, the way I think of it,
a speed bump on the way to getting to us.
But it's more than that, of course. It is also
a nation that is aligned with us. Its values are
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our Judeo Christian values. Its form of government is our
form of government, more or less a parliamentary system, yes,
but one in which elected representatives do the work of
the people. And it is a nation whose destruction would
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serve as a catalyst for every to me of this
country on the planet, not just the Sharia supremacists who
are most immediately at the throats of the Israelis, but
every enemy of our nation to be further convinced that
our doom is inevitable. So for all these reasons, I
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very strongly believe that we have an urgent need to
understand what's going on with respect to Israel and yes
to support it in our interests, as well as as
we stand with an important ally in a moment of
very great peril for wealth the nation of Israel and
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her people. It is against this backdrop that I am
very pleased to say we have a full hour conversation
with one of our most important contributors. His name is
Rabbi Pessikwalicki. He is the executive director of an important
organization in Israel. It's called Israel three sixty five Action.
He's a podcaster with a shoulder to shoulder program, as
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he calls it, as well as a columnist for the
influential Jerusalem Post. We are privileged to have him as
one of our regular contributors. We haven't talked to him
in a while though, and just to catch up on
a whole host of front's. Rabbi, thank you so much
for joining us as always, but also for giving us
a full hour of your time to take stock on
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the latest developments and looking forward to what's coming next.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to the conversation, Frank. Every time
we've spoken over the last few weeks, it's been short.
We haven't been able to get into the meat and
potatoes of things, so I'm really happy that we have
this extended time together.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Me too, Thank you. Let me start by drilling down
on what has been going on in Gaza of late.
As I know you are keenly aware as you monitor
the information battle space intensively, Israel is getting very critical reviews,
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shall we say, internationally, including in this country, but it
would appear also from some at least in Israel, for
the conduct of the war in Gaza and what may
be the critical denu mantfase of it. Could you talk
a little bit about that war as you see it.
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I know you have a relative or two who have
been serving in the reserves there, I think maybe one
even so at the moment, what is the state of
the war in Gaza as you see it? And the
morale of the men and women in uniform of Israel
who are there fighting at the moment.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Well, Frank, let's first of all, thank you for mentioning
my family members who are fighting. I have currently two
sons who are in the Gaza Strip, in the combat zones,
in combat units. They're both officers, and they're right and
thick of it, so so thank you for bringing them
up and I and I asked that your audience, you know,
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continue to pray for not only them, but all of
all of our fighting men who were there, men and women.
In terms of the state of play, let's start with
the diplomatic front, because it really informs what's happening on
the ground. Is the Israeli cabinet decided over the last
few weeks, and this was very well publicized, that the
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time has come to finally finish the job, as it were,
and to conquer the Gaza Strip, and unfortunately what seems
to be happening is some feet dragging. There's been speculation
ever since that decision was made about whether perhaps Nitanyahu
meant it as a as a ploy to get Hamas
to finally come back to the bargaining table and do
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yet another partial deal that would bring home a few
hostages and have an extended ceasefire with a surge in
in quote unquote humanitarian aid going into the hands of Kamas,
which would only strengthened them and prolonged the war even further.
So there's a lot of speculation. NATANIAO is denying that
that's the goal. He's insisting that we will finally go
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in and finish the job, But there's a lot of
I would say that the entire country's kind of on eggshells.
Are we actually going to do it? Because the whole
world is losing patients. President Trump, who's been a wonderful
ally and a wonderful support for Israel ever since he.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Got elected, is as well losing patients.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
He came out with a statement the other day saying
that you know, Israel needs to wrap this up in
the next couple of weeks, and that's actually how most
Israelis feel.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
So if it's true that Israel.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Is actually going to go in and finally finish the
job and take those areas that Ramas is still in
control of, notably Gaza City and the surrounding camps, which
are the last remaining areas that Israel really has not
gone into in full force. It's also believed that that's
where the remaining hostages are being held. So if they're
actually going to do it, everyone will be relieved. The
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soldiers are, I wouldn't say they're getting burnt out.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Some of them are.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
They've been in this war for a long time, but
there is a sense of frustration that they keep getting
called back for reserve duty and told this time, we're
really going to finish the job, and then yet again,
yet again, they don't. When you were talking about the
criticism that Israel has been receiving for prosecuting the war,
I think what happened yesterday was a microcosm of what
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has taken place throughout this war, where Israel hit a
legitimate target and was accused of some humanitarian war crime
for hitting a hospital and killing quote unquote journalists. We
could talk about that more in detail, but the state
of affairs right now is that there are strikes every
day against Ramas, against Ramas Tamas positions. There's still the
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idea of is still destroying tunnels, still discovering new tunnels,
they're still killing terrorists. But at the same time there's
this under all this international pressure.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
There's been this surge.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Of aid going into the Gaza Strip, even into areas
that Hamas controls through these un agencies, and that has
been resupplying Hamas on the fly.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
So the calls on the one hand, when people say end.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
The war already, on the other hand, they say surge
the humanitarian aid.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
What they use.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
What they don't realize is that those two demands are
run counter to each other. Surging humanitarian aid into areas
that Kamas controls prolongs the war. So I hope, I
mean that's I guess that's a good starting point for
our discussion.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
You can take it whatever prorection we want to go now.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
It is the humanitarian aid is flowing in I think
principally because of these reports that are now ratcheting up endlessly,
that there's mass starvation, that famine is an affliction, you know,
really across the Gaza Strip, and that Israel is responsible
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for withholding the aid. We have to take a break
here in about forty seconds, but could you give us
a quick top line response.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Well, the top line response is that the quantity of
food aid that has gone into the Gaza Strip month
over month and since the beginning of the war till
date is far beyond what is necessary to feed the
entire population of Gaza according to the World Food Program's
own numbers. The entire starvation narrative is a hoax. It
is a lie. There's a lot of different ways that
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we could slice this. We could talk about that when
we come back. And I've recently written an article it's
about to be published on this topic.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Okay, We're going to come back to it, because it
does require for all these reasons are concerted attention more
with Repipesiclicky. Right after this, we're back, and so is
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Rabbi Pessik Willicki of columnists for the Jerusalem Post, where
I believe there will shortly be a piece by him
talking about this so called famine in the Gaza strip
and Israel's culpability for immense war crimes associated there. With Rabbi,
you were saying it's a hoax. Give us a little
bit more texture as to why I say that's so.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, And I use the word hoax deliberately because a
hoax isn't just something that's false, but it's a deliberate
plot to obfuscate and deceive people and that's really what
this is, going all the way back to the very
beginning of this war, all the way in, going all
the way back to November and December of twenty twenty three,
just after the war started, where there couldn't possibly have
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been famine, considering that the war was only a few
weeks old already, then the United Nations and its related
agencies were warning of looming or imminent famine, and that
became the drum beat ever since the war started, and
it hasn't led up. Meaning, if I take you all
the way back to December twenty twenty three, where the IPC,
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which is the which is the official body of the
UN that mone monitors of the famine Monitoring Body, they
already in December twenty twenty three they projected that there
is a quote risk of famine, and they already said
then that over fifteen percent of the population, some four
hundred thousand gasins were already in Phase five food insecurity. Now,
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this is a critical point here. I want that it's
getting into the wheeze, but it's very important. The IPC
classification system has five different levels of food insecurity. What's
called famine Phase five includes a number of criteria. One
of those criteria is that two people are dying for
every ten Two out of every ten thousand people are
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dying due to starvation every single day, and that means
that if they were right in December of twenty twenty
three that there were four hundred thousand or so Gazins
dying of starvation every day, there should have been between
seventy five and eighty deaths every single day at the
end of February twenty twenty four. A few months later,
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they up from famine right now. At the end of
February twenty twenty four, they upped the number to six
hundred thousand, and in February February fifteenth, they actually said
that there were six hundred and seventy seven thousand Gazins
who were suffering Phase five famine conditions. That would have
meant one hundred and thirty five starvation deaths every single day.
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But the problem is that a study, a careful study
done of the Hamas Health Ministry's own death data the
Death Registry, showed that we were only thirty one malnutrition
deaths from the beginning of the war until March twenty
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twenty four, meaning over that entire period, there was only
thirty one deaths and they were mostly due to intestinal infections.
There was no starvation deaths. That's the bottom line of this.
And this has gone on and on and on, and even.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Though let me just emphasize one point that you just
said there, sir, which is that you have actually as
the source of this information the books that are generally
regarded as having been cooked by the Gaza Hamas medical
authorities so called, and so if even their data doesn't
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support this claim, it obviously is manufactured. So bring us
up from March of twenty twenty four. This has been
clearly the case that there's been efforts, including by the Israelis,
to withhold some food from getting to Hamas, which of
course has not been making it available to the people
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as it's supposed to. But does that data hold up
even during this more recent period.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yea, well it holds up. And how let me explain. So,
First of all, in terms of Israel withholding food, Israel
has allowed in massive quantities of food throughout the entire war.
For the ten months of March through the end of
December twenty twenty four, Israel allowed in seven hundred and
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eighty eight thousand tons of food aid. That's seventy eight
or seventy nine thousand tons per month. According to the
World Food Program it's a UN agency. The number of
tons of food that is required to feed the entire
population of Gaza per month is sixty two thousand tons.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
So Israel was allowing in throughout.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Twenty twenty four twenty five percent more food per month
than is required by the World Food Program. And here's where.
And then Israel wanted to cut off the aid. And
this Israel announced with the ceasefire deal that went into
effect right at the beginning of the Trump administration, right
on day one, basically on the ceasefire deal went into effect,
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where they started exchanging hostages and then they surged the.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Quantitum hostages for prisoners made.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
For prisoners right exactly. The hostages were being exchanged for.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Terrorists, large numbers of terrorists actually.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
But listen to these numbers.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Frank in January and February of twenty twenty five, in
those two months alone, after an average of seventy eight
thousand tons of food going in per month in twenty
twenty four, in those two months alone, three hundred and
eighty thousand tons of food entered the Gaza Strip in
January and February. That's enough food according to the World
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Food Program's own numbers, to feed the entire Gaza Strip
till the end of June. But as soon as Israel
cut off the aid at the end of that ceasefire deal,
that was when Israel put a block aid and said
that they're not allowing any more aid in until they
come up with a new system to deliver the aid
directly to the gas and civilians and circumvent tramas, which
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took them a few months to put together, and they
started in the end of May, but there was enough
food in the Gaza Strip. There was enough supplies from
January and February alone to feed everyone through the end
of June. And then at the end of May that
we saw the beginning of the Gazer Humanitarian Foundation, which
is a joint American Israeli project to have distribution centers
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where gas and civilians could come directly in person and
get food given into their hands, circumventing ramas. And all
that's happened since then is Kamas has attacked the civilians
who are coming to the aid centers. They have demanded
that the aid centers be shut down. The UN has
demanded that the aid centers be shut down, but those
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aid centers are delivering over two million meals a day
directly to the gaz and civilians. If you add up
all the food aid, Frank Gaza is flooded with food supplies.
Now there might be people in Gaza or hungry because Hamas,
according to the UN's own numbers, Hamas common deers between
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eighty eight and ninety percent of all the food aid
that goes in, not through the Gazy Humanitarian Foundation, because
there's also.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Shipments of aid going in through these UN agencies.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And again the UN admits that ninety percent of all
that of all those supplies go to Hamas, and Ramas
hoards it.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
The hold and the point that you've been making throughout
all of this is it's not only hoarding it. It's
not only you know, consuming it itself to sustain its fighters.
It is weaponizing it as part of its strategy for
surviving in power. So, I mean, this is as counterproductive
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an action as one could possibly conceive of, and yet
Israel is being relentlessly hounded into doing more of it.
So if this is concurrently taking place, and ninety percent,
let's say of that food is actually in the hands
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of people who could get it directly to the people
of Gaza. In addition to that that the Gaza you
know of humanitarian foundation is providing. It's unconscionable. But it's
on Hamas clearly not on Israel.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Right for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Look, let's also add in that according to the Article
twenty three of the fourth Geneva Convention, which is what
mandates allowing humanitarian aid in to the to the enemy
side in a war zone for.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
The civilian population.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Acording to Article twenty three of the fourth Niva Convention,
there are stipulations, there are there are conditions under which
one does not have to allow the aid in. And
of course, and i'll read to you from Article twenty three,
it says that the obligation to allow free passage of
the aid of the consignments is subject to the following conditions. A.
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They that the consignments, meaning the aid, may be diverted
from their destination. That the control may not be effective,
or that there is an advantage that accrues to the
military efforts or economy of the enemy.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
All these we have to take a short break. We
will be right back to conclude on this point of
famine and talk also about what else is going on
in Gaza that is well contributing to difficulties there. Stay tuned,
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We're back, and so praise God. Is Rabbi Pessuk wallicky
and very important contributor to this program. I think one
of the most impactful individuals in the state of Israel
when it comes to information warfare. He understands how relentlessly
it's being waged against the people of Israel and their country,
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their government, and he is fighting back, notably through his
role as the executive director of Israel three sixty five Action. Rabbi,
we've been talking about famine. I think you've made powerfully
the case that this is not on Israel. It is
doing what it is required to do under humanitarian law.
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There are conditions under which it is titled to withhold,
such as supplies, and even so it has been making
food available in enormous quantities, so to the extent that
people are actually malnourished, let alone starving in Gaza. It
is I believe indisputably on Hamas rather than on Israel.
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Any further final thought on that before we turn to
another topic which is also great important.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, just as a closing thought, there's a doctor, John
Barowski who lives in Israel, but he's a humanitarian doctor.
He served in all sorts of famine zones in various
countries in Africa and India, and he recently put out
a very interesting article, a comment, a lengthy comment where
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he said that this looks nothing like what starvation looks
like in any of those zones, because what you have
in a starvation zone is whole hospital wards filled with
malnurish chill. And all of the supposed reports of starvation
that we've seen have been individual children whose physical appearance
is actually the result and more consistent with various diseases
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or genetic disorders.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And that's part of the whole hoax of this. He
pointed that out.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
He also pointed out the fact that what we all
see is that the adults in all of the pictures
and videos that we see coming out of the Gaza
Strip do not look malnourished. People's shoulders and upper bodies
look quite filled out. That is not consistent with famine conditions.
So this is when I say it's a hoax. It
is a deliberate hoax. There's the opposite is true. There's
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food is not the issue in the Gaza strip. What
the issue is Hamas and they're using their weaponization of
the food to control the population and to continue to
reinforce themselves, to recruit people, to pay their people, to
make money and to demonize Israel.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, I would just say, in closing on that point,
Rabbi that if it were true that there were horrific starvation,
clearly there is another alternative here, and that is the
surrender of Hamas and the freeing of its people to receive,
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you know, unlimited amounts of sustenance and so on. And
there is hardly any mention made of that as an option,
let alone is the necessity for actually ending this terrible war.
Let me turn to another aspect of that war. Israel
is again being very severely criticized internationally for what are
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reportedly now repeated attacks not only on hospitals in Gaza,
but on members of the press who are simply doing
their job of reporting from those places. Please, let's explain
what's going on there and is this another example of
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a hoax or worse.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
So let's talk about the members of the press and
what you're referring to is there was there was an
attack by an Israeli tank by tank shell on a
hospital in the Gaza Strip just yesterday, and everyone's freaking
out about this, Oh my gosh, Israel attack to hospital.
And in that attack, reportedly five journalists were killed.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
And I say journalists.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
We should put journalists in air quotes because among these
journalists we have, for example, Mohammad Salama.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Of Al Jazeera who.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Personally participated in the October seventh atrocities.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
We have Mariam Abu Dhaka.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Who is not as a reporter covering them, Rabbi, but
actually the.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Supporter participants participated. Yes, Mariam Abu Dhaka, she was a reporter.
She did work for the Associated Press. They're claiming her
as one of their own. And she literally worked for
Hamas and taught quote unquote journalism courses at the Hamas
Information Ministry. And you have Ahmed Abu Aziz, who celebrated
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the October seventh massacre on his x account calling it
the greatest day of our generation.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
That's who these people were there.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Look, this is a much larger issue in terms of
journalism in the Gaza Strip.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
There is no such.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Thing as a journalist in the Gaza strip. That has
to be made very very clear. Hamas runs a very
tight ship. They don't allow any free reporting. It was
recently a whistleblower from the Associated Press, a Matt Friedman,
who basically blew the whistle on Hamas and said that
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when he was covering Gaza over the years, he had
a situation once where he wrote a story that mentioned
that Hamas fighters pose as civilians under Hamas told the
Associated Press editors to take that line out of the story,
and the editors deleted it, and Matt Friedman complained and said,
wait a second, if you know, if you're gonna even
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if you're going to give into the Kramas censorship, there
should be a note at the bottom of the story
that says that this story was subject to Rahmas censorship.
The AP refused to do that, so the AP actually
bowed to the wishes of Hamas.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
That's just one one story.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
He told a few stories in an interview with him
you could find online again his name is Matt Friedman,
who worked for the AP in Gaza. But there's many
many stories of journal quote unquote journalists in the Gaza
strip who try to report on what's really happening there.
They are beaten, they are they're warned, they're threatened with
their lives. And the everyone you see in the Gaza
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strip wearing a press vest a fish is an employee
of Ramas. There's no such thing as journalists in the
guys of strip. But let's get let's get more into
the details of this particular hospital. The hospital that was
hit had surveillance cameras on it. It was used as
a surveillance site for Hamas. And one of the one
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of the hostages who was who was freed in one
of the earlier deals, Sharon Aloni Kunio, said that that
particular hospital is where she was brought.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
To and held and she and other and other.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Hostages were held in rooms at Naser Hospital. At this hospital,
Hamas used it as a place to hold Israeli hostages.
Let's think about that for a moment. We've all known
since the beginning of the war. It's been reported at
nauseum that Hamas uses hospitals as their command centers, and
Naser Hospital is no different. It was used as a
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Hamas command center. It was used as a Ramas surveillance post.
The quote unquote list sewer killed. There were Hamas operatives.
That's what we're talking about when we talk about a
hospital being hit. And let me add in that I
am kind of frustrated at our own leadership, at the
Israeli leadership, both the IDF spokesman and our Prime Minister Natanyahu,
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for issuing apologies for hitting this hospital. Rather than issuing apologies,
they should have just made it very clear that this
was a legitimate target because it was used as a
Hamask command center. And you know, apologizing only feeds the
narrative that Israel made some kind of mistake.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Israel did not make a mistake.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
The soldiers hit it again because it was being used
by Hamas as a military was legitimate military target.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, a mistake that suggests that it should have been
off limits, when in fact it's part of this operation
of Hamas to weaponize hospitals, schools, mosques and other seemingly
you know, sacrosanct areas for the purposes of waging the
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war against Israel. Rabbie, let me just ask you about this.
You mentioned at the outset we're going to talk about diplomacy.
There is talk, of course that another deal is on
the table. Hamas says it has accepted it. BB apparently
has not you mentioned, you know, some concerns about you know,
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is he susceptible to you know, going for it. Give
us a quick rendering of your assessment of where things
stand diplomatically at the moment.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Well, the deal that Hamas now says that they're accepting
is pretty much what we call the wit Cough deal.
It's the deal that Kamas rejected last month. That deal
would involve a return of some ten live hostages and
then a number of a number of bodies in exchange
for hundreds and hundreds of terrorists, including terrorists with blood
on their hands and most danger lead a sixty day
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ceasefire and the withdrawal of Israeli troops to a perimeter
on the edges of the Gaza Strip. Now, what that
means is that during that time Hamas would be able
to consolidate, to re arm, lick its wounds, recruit more people,
reassert its control over a population that they are in
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the current conditions that the IDF controls about seventy five
percent of the Gaza Strip. Hamas is struggling to retain
its control, which is a good thing. We need them
to lose all of their control. But this ceasefire deal
would be an absolute disaster at this point because at
this point in the war, Hamas is really on is
on the ropes. When Hamas rejected the deal, they rejected
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the deal because they saw the Israeli government as teetering.
Prime Minister Ntiniao's coalition was on the brink. We talked
about that, I think on one of my earlier appearances
on your show at the time, and they also saw
that their starvation hoax narrative and the media was working
very well for them, and they figured the time was
on their side. The reason that they came back and
said that they now accept this deal is because of
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the announcement by these Reeley Cabinet, by these readily leadership,
that there will be no more partial deals and we're
now the only acceptable deal at this point is Kamas's
total surrender and the release of all of our hostages completely.
So they come running back to the table and this
puts Natanyao, This puts these Redly government in a tight
spot because now they look like the bad guys that
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they're not going to accept the deal that they previously
agreed to. And like I said, My take on this
is that we absolutely cannot agree to this.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
This goes back to the biggest missacha.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Hold the thought. Hold the thought, Rabbi, We've got to
develop that just a little bit further. We do need
to take a break. We'll be right back with much
more with the Rabbi Pessic will like right after this
stay took place. Welcome back. We are talking about Gaza.
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An in depth conversation with one of the most astute
observers of what's happening there, a man actually who has
quite literally skinned in the game. Two of his children
are currently serving in the IDF in Gaza in combat.
He understands as well as anybody what's on the line here.
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And Rabbi, you were just finishing a thought about how
we are witnessing the diplomatic game engineered by the way
by Cutter and Egypt, in league with obviously Steve Whitcoff
and others in the United States to dust off a
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proposal that was previous rejected by hamas accepted by Israel.
Now the roles are reversed. Where do things stand, Baby's
in a tight spot? What does he do in your estimation, sir?
And how do the people of Israel figure into these calculations.
Are they ready for this just to be you know, ended,
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even if it means leaving Hamas in place on the
theory that that will result in all of the hostages
being released, Sir.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Answer is no, the is Raeli population is not willing
to accept Hamas remaining in power when polling is done
on this, on the ceasefire or hostage release, prisoner exchange,
whatever you want to call them, these deals, whenever polling
is done, it's very deceptive in how it's in how
it is reported. Because if you ask, if you pull
the is Raeli population and say are.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
You in favor of a deal that ends the war
and brings all the hostages home? They'll all say yes.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
But then once you ask the follow up question about
what ending the war means, and ask a question, are
you in favor of a deal that ends the war
and leaves Ramas in power and leaves Hamas not disarmed?
Once that gets added in the numbers completely flip. I mean,
the Israeli population of course wants all the hostages home,
and of course wants the war to end. However, more
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important to the Israeli population, thank God, is that Hamas
be removed from power. If this war ends and Hamas
is still a governing entity and Hamas is still still
has weapons, then that means that we've perpetuated the conflict.
There will be more hostages in the future, there will
be more death, more terrorism in the future. The only
acceptable outcome of this war is for Hamas to be
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totally destroyed. Frank this brings us all the way back
to the mistake that was made at the very beginning
of the war when the Israeli leadership bowed to pressure.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
And stated as a second goal of the.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
War besides destroying Ramas is the release of all the hostages.
And we all knew, and we've talked about this many
many times over the last year and a half rank
that we all knew that there would come a point
where we would realize that we're never going to get
all the hostages out.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Donald Trump is the only one speaking clearly on this.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
He's speaking very openly about the fact that you're not
going to get them all out. Hamas's only insurance policy
is holding the last few remaining hostages, and at some
point Israel needs to bite the bullet and go in
and destroy Hamas and if we rescue the hostages, that's wonderful.
Look when the Israeli commandos back in the nineteen seventies
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went into Entebbe in the famous raid to rescue all
of those hostages, it was wildly successful.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
But we didn't know it was going to be successful.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Thank god it was, and we knew that we were
risking the lives of the hostages by.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Doing a mission like that.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
But the reason that it was done was that you
don't negotiate with terrorists over hostages, because that only means
that hostage taking pays, and that is unacceptable. So when
the same rule should have here, what I think you
asked me what Prime Minister Induthiniao should do. What he
should do is announce that we are driving forward to
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total destruction of Tamas, conquering every area of the Gaza
strip to clean it out of Tamas. Work with whoever
our partners are, whether it's the UAE or whoever else
we're going to work with, to demilitarize and deradicalize Gaza,
and if we can save the hostages, we will do
our best to do so, but we will drive to victory.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
That's what should happen in the current situation.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
So, Rabbi, what I understand is that the people of
Israel want the war to be successfully concluded, and the
pressure on BB therefore is really from these external forces.
President Trump has said repeatedly he needs to finish the job.
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Is it your sense that the Prime Minister is going
to buckle and fail to finish the job or that
he will carry on until it is finished with hopefully
the consistent backing of the.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Well, I'll say I'm very worried that he will buckle
because he has been so.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
He's been so adamant.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
That he will free the hostages, and he has and
he's been consistent in that regard, and I'm worried that
he's going to give into another one of these partial deals.
It would be a disaster at this point in the
war with It would be an app for the reasons
that I just stated.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
It would be a disaster.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
On the other hand, he keeps being adamant that there
will be no more partial deals. Ron Dermer, the Minister
of Strategic Affairs who is the most important advisor to
Prime Minister is In Yao, has also been adamant that
there will be no more partial deals. At the same time,
Nathaniel is now talking about sending a delegation to more
negotiations with the Kataris and the Egyptians, and that's very
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worrisome because if there's going to be no more partial
deals and the only acceptable deal is Ramas surrendering its
weapons and releasing all of the hostages, then I don't
see the need for a negotiation. That said, throughout the war,
there have been points where I was worried that Prime
Minister Nathaniel would buckle, and he hasn't. He's kept his word,
so I'm hopeful that he's going to keep his word.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
On the one hand, it depends what minute you get
me in frank, but I am worried.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I think this is this is a very critical moment
because if if we go to another sixty day seas
fire that sees a surgeon in Aid into Ramas's hands,
and Ramas is able to rebuild and reconsolidate its power,
then we're rolling back a lot of the a lot
of the gains that we've made over the last few months,
and that, more than anything, will cause tremendous damage to
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the morale of the IDF and especially the reserve servists
who keep getting drawn back into this, leaving their families,
leaving their jobs with the promise that this will be
it and will finally finish the job. I think we're
really hitting that point where again, as I just said
a few minutes ago, if I was advising Prime Minister Nanyo,
I would say, speak plainly to the people of Israel.
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We are going to be victorious. We will try to
save as many hostages as we can, but we're going
to end this thing once and for all.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
We're hearing a lot of talk about rifts between the
military and the political authorities. I think what you're saying
is that that may be true at the senior most levels,
but that the rank and file of the military are
determined to finish the job and want to be given
the opportunity to do so. And I pray that their
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sentiments will be both reflected in what Prime Minister Netannell,
who does I admire greatly what he has done throughout
this There have been points on which we've disagreed, of course,
but I think, as with you, Rabbi Pessick WILLICKI, we
appreciate that his wartime leadership has been extraordinary and is
in our vital interest as well as Israel's We'll be
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right back for the final segment with Rabbi Pessick Wiliki
talking a little bit about Iran. Welcome back to this
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final installment of our extraordinarily important conversation with Rabbi Pessick Willicki,
our friend and colleague who runs Israel three sixty five Action,
who is a podcaster in Israel with the Shoulder to
the Shoulder podcast and also a very important columnist for
the Juris Posts, and Rabbi we were talking about Gaza.
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There's obviously a lot more that could be said, but
thank you for working through a number of the allegations
that have been made about Israel and its conduct and
setting the record straight. I wanted to turn to Iran.
As you know, Israel was prevented from finishing the job
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there unfortunately, and yet it appears as though Israel is
continuing to operate in Iran. There are reports of explosions
of some very interesting places around the country. The people
of Iran are also being buffeted by what appears to
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be both natural hardships naturally caused hardships I guess I
should say droughts, as well as power outages. The regime
is clearly unable to, you know, provide for the people
of Iran. Is it possible that such money as they
have is being spent on purposes other than caring for
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their people, including preparing to resume hostilities with Israel?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Sir, Well, they recently, and this is since the Twelve
Day War, they've already purchased a new fleet of.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Fighter jets from the Chinese.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
So I mean there's money to spend, and then they're
spending it on their military. Look, this is a country
that has anyone ever asked the question why one of
the largest oil producing countries in the world is hell
bent on creating a nuclear program that they claim is
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for domestic use. Why on Earth would a country and
Daniel Greenfield, our mutual friend, wrote about this months ago,
why would a country that has some of.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
The cheapest gas for itself in the.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
World be creating, be working to create a nuclear power grid.
This is a country that their infrastructure has been collapsing
for years. Years ago, Prime Minister Nitania Wu made a
video that went viral. It's had many millions of views
where he offered the Iranian people, the Iranian government that
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Israel would use its cutting edge water technology. Israel has
technologies that can pull water out of the air. It
takes the humidity in the air and turns it into
drinkable water. There are countries in Africa that have suffered
from drought for years that are now using this Israeli technology,
and all over Africa there's drinking water available in places
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where there's drought because of this Israeli technology. Israel's also
with leader in desalination technology, and even Iran's own neighbors
that it doesn't get along with, like the UAE, also
use this desalination technology, and Iran refuses to use Israeli technology.
Think about that they could actually be providing water for
their people using Israeli technology that they refuse to use
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because it's from Israel because Israel's their enemy. And at
the same time, like I said, they're spending billions of
dollars buying new weaponry from the Chinese, from the Chinese
Communist Party.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
So where does that leave us? Is the Twelve Day
War simply what in the Muslim tradition is called a
hudna a period much as you were suggesting, might happen
in Gaza if there is a ceasefire, a pause that
enables Israel's enemies to regroup, to rearm, and to resume
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the hostilities at their will.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Well, that's certainly how the Iranians see it.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
They also I should also point out that a large
shipment of weapons from Iran to the Houties was intercepted
by the Americans. Also, since the Twelve Day War, they
haven't let up on their on their attempts to attack Israel,
to destroy Israel, despite.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Some of those weapons have been or not those weapons,
but some such weapons have been used by the Huthis
to attack them.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
The Woies are still firing at us, you know, not
every day, but here and there they're firing that.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
They're still trying to fire missiles. Israel's hitting the Hooties.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Very missiles with cluster munitions as well.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yes, they used they fired a missile that was a
cluster bomb just the other day.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Thank god it didn't cause any casualties.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
But my point here about Iran is that people should
not think that trying to destroy Israel and America is
a hobby. It is the primary objective of the Iranian regime.
They are not interested in making the lives of their
citizens any better. Here's a population that is literally, uh
you know, suffering one of the worst droughts that we've.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Seen on Earth in the last decades. They don't have water.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
It's a ninety million population and they they don't have water.
They don't have a tricity for hours and hours every
single day because of the disastrous state of their infrastructure.
And yet they're spending billions of dollars to send weapons
to the Huthis, to buy fighter jets from the Chinese
Communist Party, And as you said at the beginning of
this segment, Israel continues to attack them, although they don't
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take credit for it. No one says it, and the
Iranians aren't even admitting it because it would show weakness.
But there are explosions on an almost daily basis of
key sites in Iran. Whether or not this will eventually
bring down the regime at some point, Frank, this is
up to the Iranian people.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Your question about whether this is a hudnah.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Thank god, Israel has still not relinquished its air superiority
and is guarding that very carefully, and that's what a
lot of these explosions are not necessarily coming from the air,
but Israel is maintaining tight surveillance over everything going on
in Iran. So although the Iranians do have hopes of
eventually being the threat that they were before to Israel,
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they're far from that, and we should be grateful for that.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
The Twelve Day War was a success. It wasn't. We
didn't finish the job.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
As you say, we really do need to remove that
regime at some point, but right now Israel Israel is
continuing to operate there and we can only hope and
pray that the Iranian people finally, at some point rise.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Up and overthrow this regime. It's going to have to
come from them.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
It has to come from them. I couldn't occur more.
But I do believe that there needs to be help
in so weakening the regime, that that's not simply a
suicide mission. And that's where Israel was prepared to go,
but for the intervention of the United States saying it's
a game over, It's not over. It continues. And again,
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as I said earlier, Rabbi, as you know so well,
it is in the vital interests of the United States
that this regime fall and that the people of Iran
are liberated, not just the people of Israel, but the
people of this country as well.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
And came the entire region.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yes, the world, let's be clear, but especially the American people,
because we're told that there's an endless war in the offing,
and I don't believe that for a minute. I think
the way to avoid it is actually to end the
endless war that's been underway since nineteen seventy nine at
the hands of the Iranian regime. God bless you, my friend.
Come back to us very soon, if you would, prahb,
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I thank you for your hour time. This is most appreciated.
I have the rest of you will join us next time.
Come back, and until then, go forth and multiply
Welcome to securing America with me, Frank Afney the problem.
That's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country
we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the
glory of God and his Kingdom. We're going to talk
about His kingdom here on earth and the important place
in it of the Holy Land, the state of Israel
and the challenges that it is facing in well preserving
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the Holy Land, among other things, as well as surviving
assorted enemies' efforts to destroy it. I'm must say that
whenever we talk about this subject, I think it is
absolutely imperative to understand that the enemies that are seeking
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the destruction of the State of Israel make no secret
about their determination to achieve the destruction of the United
States as well. Israel is, the way I think of it,
a speed bump on the way to getting to us.
But it's more than that, of course. It is also
a nation that is aligned with us. Its values are
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our Judeo Christian values. Its form of government is our
form of government, more or less a parliamentary system, yes,
but one in which elected representatives do the work of
the people. And it is a nation whose destruction would
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serve as a catalyst for every to me of this
country on the planet, not just the Sharia supremacists who
are most immediately at the throats of the Israelis, but
every enemy of our nation to be further convinced that
our doom is inevitable. So for all these reasons, I
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very strongly believe that we have an urgent need to
understand what's going on with respect to Israel and yes
to support it in our interests, as well as as
we stand with an important ally in a moment of
very great peril for wealth the nation of Israel and
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her people. It is against this backdrop that I am
very pleased to say we have a full hour conversation
with one of our most important contributors. His name is
Rabbi Pessikwalicki. He is the executive director of an important
organization in Israel. It's called Israel three sixty five Action.
He's a podcaster with a shoulder to shoulder program, as
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he calls it, as well as a columnist for the
influential Jerusalem Post. We are privileged to have him as
one of our regular contributors. We haven't talked to him
in a while though, and just to catch up on
a whole host of front's. Rabbi, thank you so much
for joining us as always, but also for giving us
a full hour of your time to take stock on
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the latest developments and looking forward to what's coming next.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to the conversation, Frank. Every time
we've spoken over the last few weeks, it's been short.
We haven't been able to get into the meat and
potatoes of things, so I'm really happy that we have
this extended time together.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Me too, Thank you. Let me start by drilling down
on what has been going on in Gaza of late.
As I know you are keenly aware as you monitor
the information battle space intensively, Israel is getting very critical reviews,
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shall we say, internationally, including in this country, but it
would appear also from some at least in Israel, for
the conduct of the war in Gaza and what may
be the critical denu mantfase of it. Could you talk
a little bit about that war as you see it.
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I know you have a relative or two who have
been serving in the reserves there, I think maybe one
even so at the moment, what is the state of
the war in Gaza as you see it? And the
morale of the men and women in uniform of Israel
who are there fighting at the moment.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Well, Frank, let's first of all, thank you for mentioning
my family members who are fighting. I have currently two
sons who are in the Gaza Strip, in the combat zones,
in combat units. They're both officers, and they're right and
thick of it, so so thank you for bringing them
up and I and I asked that your audience, you know,
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continue to pray for not only them, but all of
all of our fighting men who were there, men and women.
In terms of the state of play, let's start with
the diplomatic front, because it really informs what's happening on
the ground. Is the Israeli cabinet decided over the last
few weeks, and this was very well publicized, that the
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time has come to finally finish the job, as it were,
and to conquer the Gaza Strip, and unfortunately what seems
to be happening is some feet dragging. There's been speculation
ever since that decision was made about whether perhaps Nitanyahu
meant it as a as a ploy to get Hamas
to finally come back to the bargaining table and do
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yet another partial deal that would bring home a few
hostages and have an extended ceasefire with a surge in
in quote unquote humanitarian aid going into the hands of Kamas,
which would only strengthened them and prolonged the war even further.
So there's a lot of speculation. NATANIAO is denying that
that's the goal. He's insisting that we will finally go
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in and finish the job, But there's a lot of
I would say that the entire country's kind of on eggshells.
Are we actually going to do it? Because the whole
world is losing patients. President Trump, who's been a wonderful
ally and a wonderful support for Israel ever since he.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Got elected, is as well losing patients.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
He came out with a statement the other day saying
that you know, Israel needs to wrap this up in
the next couple of weeks, and that's actually how most
Israelis feel.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
So if it's true that Israel.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Is actually going to go in and finally finish the
job and take those areas that Ramas is still in
control of, notably Gaza City and the surrounding camps, which
are the last remaining areas that Israel really has not
gone into in full force. It's also believed that that's
where the remaining hostages are being held. So if they're
actually going to do it, everyone will be relieved. The
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soldiers are, I wouldn't say they're getting burnt out.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Some of them are.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
They've been in this war for a long time, but
there is a sense of frustration that they keep getting
called back for reserve duty and told this time, we're
really going to finish the job, and then yet again,
yet again, they don't. When you were talking about the
criticism that Israel has been receiving for prosecuting the war,
I think what happened yesterday was a microcosm of what
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has taken place throughout this war, where Israel hit a
legitimate target and was accused of some humanitarian war crime
for hitting a hospital and killing quote unquote journalists. We
could talk about that more in detail, but the state
of affairs right now is that there are strikes every
day against Ramas, against Ramas Tamas positions. There's still the
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idea of is still destroying tunnels, still discovering new tunnels,
they're still killing terrorists. But at the same time there's
this under all this international pressure.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
There's been this surge.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Of aid going into the Gaza Strip, even into areas
that Hamas controls through these un agencies, and that has
been resupplying Hamas on the fly.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
So the calls on the one hand, when people say end.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
The war already, on the other hand, they say surge
the humanitarian aid.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
What they use.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
What they don't realize is that those two demands are
run counter to each other. Surging humanitarian aid into areas
that Kamas controls prolongs the war. So I hope, I
mean that's I guess that's a good starting point for
our discussion.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
You can take it whatever prorection we want to go now.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
It is the humanitarian aid is flowing in I think
principally because of these reports that are now ratcheting up endlessly,
that there's mass starvation, that famine is an affliction, you know,
really across the Gaza Strip, and that Israel is responsible
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for withholding the aid. We have to take a break
here in about forty seconds, but could you give us
a quick top line response.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Well, the top line response is that the quantity of
food aid that has gone into the Gaza Strip month
over month and since the beginning of the war till
date is far beyond what is necessary to feed the
entire population of Gaza according to the World Food Program's
own numbers. The entire starvation narrative is a hoax. It
is a lie. There's a lot of different ways that
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we could slice this. We could talk about that when
we come back. And I've recently written an article it's
about to be published on this topic.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Okay, We're going to come back to it, because it
does require for all these reasons are concerted attention more
with Repipesiclicky. Right after this, we're back, and so is
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Rabbi Pessik Willicki of columnists for the Jerusalem Post, where
I believe there will shortly be a piece by him
talking about this so called famine in the Gaza strip
and Israel's culpability for immense war crimes associated there. With Rabbi,
you were saying it's a hoax. Give us a little
bit more texture as to why I say that's so.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, And I use the word hoax deliberately because a
hoax isn't just something that's false, but it's a deliberate
plot to obfuscate and deceive people and that's really what
this is, going all the way back to the very
beginning of this war, all the way in, going all
the way back to November and December of twenty twenty three,
just after the war started, where there couldn't possibly have
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been famine, considering that the war was only a few
weeks old already, then the United Nations and its related
agencies were warning of looming or imminent famine, and that
became the drum beat ever since the war started, and
it hasn't led up. Meaning, if I take you all
the way back to December twenty twenty three, where the IPC,
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which is the which is the official body of the
UN that mone monitors of the famine Monitoring Body, they
already in December twenty twenty three they projected that there
is a quote risk of famine, and they already said
then that over fifteen percent of the population, some four
hundred thousand gasins were already in Phase five food insecurity. Now,
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this is a critical point here. I want that it's
getting into the wheeze, but it's very important. The IPC
classification system has five different levels of food insecurity. What's
called famine Phase five includes a number of criteria. One
of those criteria is that two people are dying for
every ten Two out of every ten thousand people are
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dying due to starvation every single day, and that means
that if they were right in December of twenty twenty
three that there were four hundred thousand or so Gazins
dying of starvation every day, there should have been between
seventy five and eighty deaths every single day at the
end of February twenty twenty four. A few months later,
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they up from famine right now. At the end of
February twenty twenty four, they upped the number to six
hundred thousand, and in February February fifteenth, they actually said
that there were six hundred and seventy seven thousand Gazins
who were suffering Phase five famine conditions. That would have
meant one hundred and thirty five starvation deaths every single day.
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But the problem is that a study, a careful study
done of the Hamas Health Ministry's own death data the
Death Registry, showed that we were only thirty one malnutrition
deaths from the beginning of the war until March twenty
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twenty four, meaning over that entire period, there was only
thirty one deaths and they were mostly due to intestinal infections.
There was no starvation deaths. That's the bottom line of this.
And this has gone on and on and on, and even.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Though let me just emphasize one point that you just
said there, sir, which is that you have actually as
the source of this information the books that are generally
regarded as having been cooked by the Gaza Hamas medical
authorities so called, and so if even their data doesn't
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support this claim, it obviously is manufactured. So bring us
up from March of twenty twenty four. This has been
clearly the case that there's been efforts, including by the Israelis,
to withhold some food from getting to Hamas, which of
course has not been making it available to the people
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as it's supposed to. But does that data hold up
even during this more recent period.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yea, well it holds up. And how let me explain. So,
First of all, in terms of Israel withholding food, Israel
has allowed in massive quantities of food throughout the entire war.
For the ten months of March through the end of
December twenty twenty four, Israel allowed in seven hundred and
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eighty eight thousand tons of food aid. That's seventy eight
or seventy nine thousand tons per month. According to the
World Food Program it's a UN agency. The number of
tons of food that is required to feed the entire
population of Gaza per month is sixty two thousand tons.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
So Israel was allowing in throughout.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Twenty twenty four twenty five percent more food per month
than is required by the World Food Program. And here's where.
And then Israel wanted to cut off the aid. And
this Israel announced with the ceasefire deal that went into
effect right at the beginning of the Trump administration, right
on day one, basically on the ceasefire deal went into effect,
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where they started exchanging hostages and then they surged the.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Quantitum hostages for prisoners made.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
For prisoners right exactly. The hostages were being exchanged for.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Terrorists, large numbers of terrorists actually.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
But listen to these numbers.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Frank in January and February of twenty twenty five, in
those two months alone, after an average of seventy eight
thousand tons of food going in per month in twenty
twenty four, in those two months alone, three hundred and
eighty thousand tons of food entered the Gaza Strip in
January and February. That's enough food according to the World
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Food Program's own numbers, to feed the entire Gaza Strip
till the end of June. But as soon as Israel
cut off the aid at the end of that ceasefire deal,
that was when Israel put a block aid and said
that they're not allowing any more aid in until they
come up with a new system to deliver the aid
directly to the gas and civilians and circumvent tramas, which
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took them a few months to put together, and they
started in the end of May, but there was enough
food in the Gaza Strip. There was enough supplies from
January and February alone to feed everyone through the end
of June. And then at the end of May that
we saw the beginning of the Gazer Humanitarian Foundation, which
is a joint American Israeli project to have distribution centers
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where gas and civilians could come directly in person and
get food given into their hands, circumventing ramas. And all
that's happened since then is Kamas has attacked the civilians
who are coming to the aid centers. They have demanded
that the aid centers be shut down. The UN has
demanded that the aid centers be shut down, but those
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aid centers are delivering over two million meals a day
directly to the gaz and civilians. If you add up
all the food aid, Frank Gaza is flooded with food supplies.
Now there might be people in Gaza or hungry because Hamas,
according to the UN's own numbers, Hamas common deers between
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eighty eight and ninety percent of all the food aid
that goes in, not through the Gazy Humanitarian Foundation, because
there's also.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Shipments of aid going in through these UN agencies.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And again the UN admits that ninety percent of all
that of all those supplies go to Hamas, and Ramas
hoards it.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
The hold and the point that you've been making throughout
all of this is it's not only hoarding it. It's
not only you know, consuming it itself to sustain its fighters.
It is weaponizing it as part of its strategy for
surviving in power. So, I mean, this is as counterproductive
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an action as one could possibly conceive of, and yet
Israel is being relentlessly hounded into doing more of it.
So if this is concurrently taking place, and ninety percent,
let's say of that food is actually in the hands
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of people who could get it directly to the people
of Gaza. In addition to that that the Gaza you
know of humanitarian foundation is providing. It's unconscionable. But it's
on Hamas clearly not on Israel.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Right for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Look, let's also add in that according to the Article
twenty three of the fourth Geneva Convention, which is what
mandates allowing humanitarian aid in to the to the enemy
side in a war zone for.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
The civilian population.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Acording to Article twenty three of the fourth Niva Convention,
there are stipulations, there are there are conditions under which
one does not have to allow the aid in. And
of course, and i'll read to you from Article twenty three,
it says that the obligation to allow free passage of
the aid of the consignments is subject to the following conditions. A.
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They that the consignments, meaning the aid, may be diverted
from their destination. That the control may not be effective,
or that there is an advantage that accrues to the
military efforts or economy of the enemy.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
All these we have to take a short break. We
will be right back to conclude on this point of
famine and talk also about what else is going on
in Gaza that is well contributing to difficulties there. Stay tuned,
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We're back, and so praise God. Is Rabbi Pessuk wallicky
and very important contributor to this program. I think one
of the most impactful individuals in the state of Israel
when it comes to information warfare. He understands how relentlessly
it's being waged against the people of Israel and their country,
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their government, and he is fighting back, notably through his
role as the executive director of Israel three sixty five Action. Rabbi,
we've been talking about famine. I think you've made powerfully
the case that this is not on Israel. It is
doing what it is required to do under humanitarian law.
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There are conditions under which it is titled to withhold,
such as supplies, and even so it has been making
food available in enormous quantities, so to the extent that
people are actually malnourished, let alone starving in Gaza. It
is I believe indisputably on Hamas rather than on Israel.
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Any further final thought on that before we turn to
another topic which is also great important.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, just as a closing thought, there's a doctor, John
Barowski who lives in Israel, but he's a humanitarian doctor.
He served in all sorts of famine zones in various
countries in Africa and India, and he recently put out
a very interesting article, a comment, a lengthy comment where
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he said that this looks nothing like what starvation looks
like in any of those zones, because what you have
in a starvation zone is whole hospital wards filled with
malnurish chill. And all of the supposed reports of starvation
that we've seen have been individual children whose physical appearance
is actually the result and more consistent with various diseases
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or genetic disorders.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And that's part of the whole hoax of this. He
pointed that out.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
He also pointed out the fact that what we all
see is that the adults in all of the pictures
and videos that we see coming out of the Gaza
Strip do not look malnourished. People's shoulders and upper bodies
look quite filled out. That is not consistent with famine conditions.
So this is when I say it's a hoax. It
is a deliberate hoax. There's the opposite is true. There's
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food is not the issue in the Gaza strip. What
the issue is Hamas and they're using their weaponization of
the food to control the population and to continue to
reinforce themselves, to recruit people, to pay their people, to
make money and to demonize Israel.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, I would just say, in closing on that point,
Rabbi that if it were true that there were horrific starvation,
clearly there is another alternative here, and that is the
surrender of Hamas and the freeing of its people to receive,
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you know, unlimited amounts of sustenance and so on. And
there is hardly any mention made of that as an option,
let alone is the necessity for actually ending this terrible war.
Let me turn to another aspect of that war. Israel
is again being very severely criticized internationally for what are
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reportedly now repeated attacks not only on hospitals in Gaza,
but on members of the press who are simply doing
their job of reporting from those places. Please, let's explain
what's going on there and is this another example of
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a hoax or worse.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
So let's talk about the members of the press and
what you're referring to is there was there was an
attack by an Israeli tank by tank shell on a
hospital in the Gaza Strip just yesterday, and everyone's freaking
out about this, Oh my gosh, Israel attack to hospital.
And in that attack, reportedly five journalists were killed.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
And I say journalists.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
We should put journalists in air quotes because among these
journalists we have, for example, Mohammad Salama.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Of Al Jazeera who.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Personally participated in the October seventh atrocities.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
We have Mariam Abu Dhaka.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Who is not as a reporter covering them, Rabbi, but
actually the.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Supporter participants participated. Yes, Mariam Abu Dhaka, she was a reporter.
She did work for the Associated Press. They're claiming her
as one of their own. And she literally worked for
Hamas and taught quote unquote journalism courses at the Hamas
Information Ministry. And you have Ahmed Abu Aziz, who celebrated
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the October seventh massacre on his x account calling it
the greatest day of our generation.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
That's who these people were there.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Look, this is a much larger issue in terms of
journalism in the Gaza Strip.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
There is no such.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Thing as a journalist in the Gaza strip. That has
to be made very very clear. Hamas runs a very
tight ship. They don't allow any free reporting. It was
recently a whistleblower from the Associated Press, a Matt Friedman,
who basically blew the whistle on Hamas and said that
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when he was covering Gaza over the years, he had
a situation once where he wrote a story that mentioned
that Hamas fighters pose as civilians under Hamas told the
Associated Press editors to take that line out of the story,
and the editors deleted it, and Matt Friedman complained and said,
wait a second, if you know, if you're gonna even
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if you're going to give into the Kramas censorship, there
should be a note at the bottom of the story
that says that this story was subject to Rahmas censorship.
The AP refused to do that, so the AP actually
bowed to the wishes of Hamas.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
That's just one one story.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
He told a few stories in an interview with him
you could find online again his name is Matt Friedman,
who worked for the AP in Gaza. But there's many
many stories of journal quote unquote journalists in the Gaza
strip who try to report on what's really happening there.
They are beaten, they are they're warned, they're threatened with
their lives. And the everyone you see in the Gaza
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strip wearing a press vest a fish is an employee
of Ramas. There's no such thing as journalists in the
guys of strip. But let's get let's get more into
the details of this particular hospital. The hospital that was
hit had surveillance cameras on it. It was used as
a surveillance site for Hamas. And one of the one
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of the hostages who was who was freed in one
of the earlier deals, Sharon Aloni Kunio, said that that
particular hospital is where she was brought.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
To and held and she and other and other.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Hostages were held in rooms at Naser Hospital. At this hospital,
Hamas used it as a place to hold Israeli hostages.
Let's think about that for a moment. We've all known
since the beginning of the war. It's been reported at
nauseum that Hamas uses hospitals as their command centers, and
Naser Hospital is no different. It was used as a
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Hamas command center. It was used as a Ramas surveillance post.
The quote unquote list sewer killed. There were Hamas operatives.
That's what we're talking about when we talk about a
hospital being hit. And let me add in that I
am kind of frustrated at our own leadership, at the
Israeli leadership, both the IDF spokesman and our Prime Minister Natanyahu,
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for issuing apologies for hitting this hospital. Rather than issuing apologies,
they should have just made it very clear that this
was a legitimate target because it was used as a
Hamask command center. And you know, apologizing only feeds the
narrative that Israel made some kind of mistake.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Israel did not make a mistake.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
The soldiers hit it again because it was being used
by Hamas as a military was legitimate military target.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, a mistake that suggests that it should have been
off limits, when in fact it's part of this operation
of Hamas to weaponize hospitals, schools, mosques and other seemingly
you know, sacrosanct areas for the purposes of waging the
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war against Israel. Rabbie, let me just ask you about this.
You mentioned at the outset we're going to talk about diplomacy.
There is talk, of course that another deal is on
the table. Hamas says it has accepted it. BB apparently
has not you mentioned, you know, some concerns about you know,
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is he susceptible to you know, going for it. Give
us a quick rendering of your assessment of where things
stand diplomatically at the moment.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Well, the deal that Hamas now says that they're accepting
is pretty much what we call the wit Cough deal.
It's the deal that Kamas rejected last month. That deal
would involve a return of some ten live hostages and
then a number of a number of bodies in exchange
for hundreds and hundreds of terrorists, including terrorists with blood
on their hands and most danger lead a sixty day
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ceasefire and the withdrawal of Israeli troops to a perimeter
on the edges of the Gaza Strip. Now, what that
means is that during that time Hamas would be able
to consolidate, to re arm, lick its wounds, recruit more people,
reassert its control over a population that they are in
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the current conditions that the IDF controls about seventy five
percent of the Gaza Strip. Hamas is struggling to retain
its control, which is a good thing. We need them
to lose all of their control. But this ceasefire deal
would be an absolute disaster at this point because at
this point in the war, Hamas is really on is
on the ropes. When Hamas rejected the deal, they rejected
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the deal because they saw the Israeli government as teetering.
Prime Minister Ntiniao's coalition was on the brink. We talked
about that, I think on one of my earlier appearances
on your show at the time, and they also saw
that their starvation hoax narrative and the media was working
very well for them, and they figured the time was
on their side. The reason that they came back and
said that they now accept this deal is because of
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the announcement by these Reeley Cabinet, by these readily leadership,
that there will be no more partial deals and we're
now the only acceptable deal at this point is Kamas's
total surrender and the release of all of our hostages completely.
So they come running back to the table and this
puts Natanyao, This puts these Redly government in a tight
spot because now they look like the bad guys that
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they're not going to accept the deal that they previously
agreed to. And like I said, My take on this
is that we absolutely cannot agree to this.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
This goes back to the biggest missacha.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Hold the thought. Hold the thought, Rabbi, We've got to
develop that just a little bit further. We do need
to take a break. We'll be right back with much
more with the Rabbi Pessic will like right after this
stay took place. Welcome back. We are talking about Gaza.
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An in depth conversation with one of the most astute
observers of what's happening there, a man actually who has
quite literally skinned in the game. Two of his children
are currently serving in the IDF in Gaza in combat.
He understands as well as anybody what's on the line here.
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And Rabbi, you were just finishing a thought about how
we are witnessing the diplomatic game engineered by the way
by Cutter and Egypt, in league with obviously Steve Whitcoff
and others in the United States to dust off a
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proposal that was previous rejected by hamas accepted by Israel.
Now the roles are reversed. Where do things stand, Baby's
in a tight spot? What does he do in your estimation, sir?
And how do the people of Israel figure into these calculations.
Are they ready for this just to be you know, ended,
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even if it means leaving Hamas in place on the
theory that that will result in all of the hostages
being released, Sir.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Answer is no, the is Raeli population is not willing
to accept Hamas remaining in power when polling is done
on this, on the ceasefire or hostage release, prisoner exchange,
whatever you want to call them, these deals, whenever polling
is done, it's very deceptive in how it's in how
it is reported. Because if you ask, if you pull
the is Raeli population and say are.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
You in favor of a deal that ends the war
and brings all the hostages home? They'll all say yes.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
But then once you ask the follow up question about
what ending the war means, and ask a question, are
you in favor of a deal that ends the war
and leaves Ramas in power and leaves Hamas not disarmed?
Once that gets added in the numbers completely flip. I mean,
the Israeli population of course wants all the hostages home,
and of course wants the war to end. However, more
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important to the Israeli population, thank God, is that Hamas
be removed from power. If this war ends and Hamas
is still a governing entity and Hamas is still still
has weapons, then that means that we've perpetuated the conflict.
There will be more hostages in the future, there will
be more death, more terrorism in the future. The only
acceptable outcome of this war is for Hamas to be
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totally destroyed. Frank this brings us all the way back
to the mistake that was made at the very beginning
of the war when the Israeli leadership bowed to pressure.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
And stated as a second goal of the.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
War besides destroying Ramas is the release of all the hostages.
And we all knew, and we've talked about this many
many times over the last year and a half rank
that we all knew that there would come a point
where we would realize that we're never going to get
all the hostages out.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Donald Trump is the only one speaking clearly on this.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
He's speaking very openly about the fact that you're not
going to get them all out. Hamas's only insurance policy
is holding the last few remaining hostages, and at some
point Israel needs to bite the bullet and go in
and destroy Hamas and if we rescue the hostages, that's wonderful.
Look when the Israeli commandos back in the nineteen seventies
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went into Entebbe in the famous raid to rescue all
of those hostages, it was wildly successful.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
But we didn't know it was going to be successful.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Thank god it was, and we knew that we were
risking the lives of the hostages by.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Doing a mission like that.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
But the reason that it was done was that you
don't negotiate with terrorists over hostages, because that only means
that hostage taking pays, and that is unacceptable. So when
the same rule should have here, what I think you
asked me what Prime Minister Induthiniao should do. What he
should do is announce that we are driving forward to
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total destruction of Tamas, conquering every area of the Gaza
strip to clean it out of Tamas. Work with whoever
our partners are, whether it's the UAE or whoever else
we're going to work with, to demilitarize and deradicalize Gaza,
and if we can save the hostages, we will do
our best to do so, but we will drive to victory.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
That's what should happen in the current situation.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
So, Rabbi, what I understand is that the people of
Israel want the war to be successfully concluded, and the
pressure on BB therefore is really from these external forces.
President Trump has said repeatedly he needs to finish the job.
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Is it your sense that the Prime Minister is going
to buckle and fail to finish the job or that
he will carry on until it is finished with hopefully
the consistent backing of the.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Well, I'll say I'm very worried that he will buckle
because he has been so.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
He's been so adamant.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
That he will free the hostages, and he has and
he's been consistent in that regard, and I'm worried that
he's going to give into another one of these partial deals.
It would be a disaster at this point in the
war with It would be an app for the reasons
that I just stated.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
It would be a disaster.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
On the other hand, he keeps being adamant that there
will be no more partial deals. Ron Dermer, the Minister
of Strategic Affairs who is the most important advisor to
Prime Minister is In Yao, has also been adamant that
there will be no more partial deals. At the same time,
Nathaniel is now talking about sending a delegation to more
negotiations with the Kataris and the Egyptians, and that's very
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worrisome because if there's going to be no more partial
deals and the only acceptable deal is Ramas surrendering its
weapons and releasing all of the hostages, then I don't
see the need for a negotiation. That said, throughout the war,
there have been points where I was worried that Prime
Minister Nathaniel would buckle, and he hasn't. He's kept his word,
so I'm hopeful that he's going to keep his word.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
On the one hand, it depends what minute you get
me in frank, but I am worried.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I think this is this is a very critical moment
because if if we go to another sixty day seas
fire that sees a surgeon in Aid into Ramas's hands,
and Ramas is able to rebuild and reconsolidate its power,
then we're rolling back a lot of the a lot
of the gains that we've made over the last few months,
and that, more than anything, will cause tremendous damage to
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the morale of the IDF and especially the reserve servists
who keep getting drawn back into this, leaving their families,
leaving their jobs with the promise that this will be
it and will finally finish the job. I think we're
really hitting that point where again, as I just said
a few minutes ago, if I was advising Prime Minister Nanyo,
I would say, speak plainly to the people of Israel.
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We are going to be victorious. We will try to
save as many hostages as we can, but we're going
to end this thing once and for all.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
We're hearing a lot of talk about rifts between the
military and the political authorities. I think what you're saying
is that that may be true at the senior most levels,
but that the rank and file of the military are
determined to finish the job and want to be given
the opportunity to do so. And I pray that their
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sentiments will be both reflected in what Prime Minister Netannell,
who does I admire greatly what he has done throughout
this There have been points on which we've disagreed, of course,
but I think, as with you, Rabbi Pessick WILLICKI, we
appreciate that his wartime leadership has been extraordinary and is
in our vital interest as well as Israel's We'll be
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right back for the final segment with Rabbi Pessick Wiliki
talking a little bit about Iran. Welcome back to this
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final installment of our extraordinarily important conversation with Rabbi Pessick Willicki,
our friend and colleague who runs Israel three sixty five Action,
who is a podcaster in Israel with the Shoulder to
the Shoulder podcast and also a very important columnist for
the Juris Posts, and Rabbi we were talking about Gaza.
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There's obviously a lot more that could be said, but
thank you for working through a number of the allegations
that have been made about Israel and its conduct and
setting the record straight. I wanted to turn to Iran.
As you know, Israel was prevented from finishing the job
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there unfortunately, and yet it appears as though Israel is
continuing to operate in Iran. There are reports of explosions
of some very interesting places around the country. The people
of Iran are also being buffeted by what appears to
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be both natural hardships naturally caused hardships I guess I
should say droughts, as well as power outages. The regime
is clearly unable to, you know, provide for the people
of Iran. Is it possible that such money as they
have is being spent on purposes other than caring for
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their people, including preparing to resume hostilities with Israel?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Sir, Well, they recently, and this is since the Twelve
Day War, they've already purchased a new fleet of.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Fighter jets from the Chinese.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
So I mean there's money to spend, and then they're
spending it on their military. Look, this is a country
that has anyone ever asked the question why one of
the largest oil producing countries in the world is hell
bent on creating a nuclear program that they claim is
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for domestic use. Why on Earth would a country and
Daniel Greenfield, our mutual friend, wrote about this months ago,
why would a country that has some of.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
The cheapest gas for itself in the.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
World be creating, be working to create a nuclear power grid.
This is a country that their infrastructure has been collapsing
for years. Years ago, Prime Minister Nitania Wu made a
video that went viral. It's had many millions of views
where he offered the Iranian people, the Iranian government that
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Israel would use its cutting edge water technology. Israel has
technologies that can pull water out of the air. It
takes the humidity in the air and turns it into
drinkable water. There are countries in Africa that have suffered
from drought for years that are now using this Israeli technology,
and all over Africa there's drinking water available in places
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where there's drought because of this Israeli technology. Israel's also
with leader in desalination technology, and even Iran's own neighbors
that it doesn't get along with, like the UAE, also
use this desalination technology, and Iran refuses to use Israeli technology.
Think about that they could actually be providing water for
their people using Israeli technology that they refuse to use
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because it's from Israel because Israel's their enemy. And at
the same time, like I said, they're spending billions of
dollars buying new weaponry from the Chinese, from the Chinese
Communist Party.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
So where does that leave us? Is the Twelve Day
War simply what in the Muslim tradition is called a
hudna a period much as you were suggesting, might happen
in Gaza if there is a ceasefire, a pause that
enables Israel's enemies to regroup, to rearm, and to resume
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the hostilities at their will.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Well, that's certainly how the Iranians see it.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
They also I should also point out that a large
shipment of weapons from Iran to the Houties was intercepted
by the Americans. Also, since the Twelve Day War, they
haven't let up on their on their attempts to attack Israel,
to destroy Israel, despite.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Some of those weapons have been or not those weapons,
but some such weapons have been used by the Huthis
to attack them.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
The Woies are still firing at us, you know, not
every day, but here and there they're firing that.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
They're still trying to fire missiles. Israel's hitting the Hooties.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Very missiles with cluster munitions as well.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yes, they used they fired a missile that was a
cluster bomb just the other day.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Thank god it didn't cause any casualties.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
But my point here about Iran is that people should
not think that trying to destroy Israel and America is
a hobby. It is the primary objective of the Iranian regime.
They are not interested in making the lives of their
citizens any better. Here's a population that is literally, uh
you know, suffering one of the worst droughts that we've.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Seen on Earth in the last decades. They don't have water.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
It's a ninety million population and they they don't have water.
They don't have a tricity for hours and hours every
single day because of the disastrous state of their infrastructure.
And yet they're spending billions of dollars to send weapons
to the Huthis, to buy fighter jets from the Chinese
Communist Party, And as you said at the beginning of
this segment, Israel continues to attack them, although they don't
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take credit for it. No one says it, and the
Iranians aren't even admitting it because it would show weakness.
But there are explosions on an almost daily basis of
key sites in Iran. Whether or not this will eventually
bring down the regime at some point, Frank, this is
up to the Iranian people.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Your question about whether this is a hudnah.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Thank god, Israel has still not relinquished its air superiority
and is guarding that very carefully, and that's what a
lot of these explosions are not necessarily coming from the air,
but Israel is maintaining tight surveillance over everything going on
in Iran. So although the Iranians do have hopes of
eventually being the threat that they were before to Israel,
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they're far from that, and we should be grateful for that.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
The Twelve Day War was a success. It wasn't. We
didn't finish the job.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
As you say, we really do need to remove that
regime at some point, but right now Israel Israel is
continuing to operate there and we can only hope and
pray that the Iranian people finally, at some point rise.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Up and overthrow this regime. It's going to have to
come from them.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
It has to come from them. I couldn't occur more.
But I do believe that there needs to be help
in so weakening the regime, that that's not simply a
suicide mission. And that's where Israel was prepared to go,
but for the intervention of the United States saying it's
a game over, It's not over. It continues. And again,
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as I said earlier, Rabbi, as you know so well,
it is in the vital interests of the United States
that this regime fall and that the people of Iran
are liberated, not just the people of Israel, but the
people of this country as well.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
And came the entire region.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yes, the world, let's be clear, but especially the American people,
because we're told that there's an endless war in the offing,
and I don't believe that for a minute. I think
the way to avoid it is actually to end the
endless war that's been underway since nineteen seventy nine at
the hands of the Iranian regime. God bless you, my friend.
Come back to us very soon, if you would, prahb,
(48:21):
I thank you for your hour time. This is most appreciated.
I have the rest of you will join us next time.
Come back, and until then, go forth and multiply
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