STUDENT ACTION SUMMIT DAY 3 PART 4

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
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Speaker 3 (00:10):
And welcome back Real America's Voice audience. We are here
in Tampa, Florida at the Student Action Summit hosted by
Turning Point in USA. It has been an incredible weekend
with multiple members of President Trump's cabinet and conservative influencers
taking the stage connecting with the grassroots here over sixty

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Speaker 3 (02:48):
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Speaker 5 (02:55):
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Speaker 3 (02:58):
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Speaker 6 (03:12):
Student Action Summit. What is going on? You guys having
a good time in Tampa, Florida. Everybody made sure they
got a good night's sleep. I'm gonna tell your parents shame.
You know, it's been a big six months, big six months.

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Donald Trump has taken Washington by storm. The Republicans on
Capitol Hill, we actually passed one big beautiful bill. The
media doesn't really know what to think. Well, they never

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really knew what to think. Let's just be honest. Not
the brightest and the Democrats have lost it. They've lost
their minds. I'm from Brooklyn, New York, born and raised,
but you can hear by the chatters in the crowd.
Brooklyn is always in the house.

Speaker 7 (04:23):
But my former home.

Speaker 6 (04:25):
City has lost its mind. They are bringing in some
guy named mom Donnie. I mean, you can booth the
man because the ideas are crazy. This guy wants to
bring back government supermarkets. I say bring back because the
government used to be in the food distribution business. For

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anybody who's old enough, they will tell you that if
you were poor like I was in New York City,
like I was, you would stand in lines to get cheese,
peanut butter, and a bunch of other things. Government would
give the stuff out. I've stood in those lines as
a young kid.

Speaker 8 (05:04):
That's just history, that's the truth.

Speaker 6 (05:08):
The government so bad at it, they got out of
that business and just gave people these things called food
stamps we now call them snap benefits, and.

Speaker 8 (05:18):
That's what they gave people to.

Speaker 6 (05:19):
Go to the supermarket and buy it for themselves. Because
at some point somebody realized giving away food out of
a government store is not what the government.

Speaker 8 (05:29):
Should be doing.

Speaker 6 (05:30):
How about we just help people at the bottom, give
them purchasing power so they can go to the supermarket
and get it for themselves, novel concepts. But this guy
in New York wants to bring it back. He somehow
thinks that he is smarter than all economics, that all

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of human history and things he can actually deliver for
the people of New York City. So, as a guy
who's running for governor in the great state of Florida,

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who by the way, has been endorsed by Donald Trump
to be the next governor of Florida, I have a
responsibility to prepare my state for a lot more New Yorkers.

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When you come to this line and the speech, some
people are happy, some people are sad.

Speaker 8 (06:38):
But we have a simple phrase.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
We tell some of my former compatriots from the state
of New York, if you come here to Florida to
be free, to have no state income tax, to live
in a state where we want you to innovate, to
be successful, where government's not in your way. If you

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come here, do not vote for the same stupid people
in Florida.

Speaker 8 (07:16):
Don't vote for the same stupid people. These are the
people who thought it was cool to let an auto
pen run the White House. Let's not do that.

Speaker 6 (07:26):
These are the people who thought it was okay to
open up our borders and let tens of million people
in the United States.

Speaker 8 (07:34):
These are the people, and this is.

Speaker 6 (07:35):
One of their bright ideas that actually didn't get adopted.
These are the people who thought it was okay for
the Treasury Department to spy in every one of your
bank accounts if you spent more than eight hundred dollars
in a calendar year. That's how crazy the Democrats have gotten.

Speaker 8 (07:51):
This stuff is sick and it's nuts.

Speaker 6 (07:54):
These are the people who believe in a central bank
digital currency. These are the people who believe that just
by raising more taxes and spending more money that somehow
we will all be prosperous. But because of all of
your hard work over the last two years, the American

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people said, no, no, we don't want that mess anymore.
We want common sense, we want freedom, we want liberty,
we want Donald Trump. So keep Mom Donnie in New York,
but it ain't coming to Florida.

Speaker 8 (08:39):
Can't tell you all the story.

Speaker 6 (08:41):
So last year in the presidential campaign trail, I was
all over the country campaigning for President Trump.

Speaker 8 (08:47):
I was everywhere. It was wild.

Speaker 6 (08:50):
Honestly, it was a surreal time because you know. I'm
from Inner City Brooklyn. I moved to Florida almost thirty
years ago at the age of seventeen. I went to
college in Tallahassee. Fam you in Florida State, Gonos. Those
are my guys right there. It's my guys. Although I'm

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running for governor. I love all of our universities.

Speaker 8 (09:15):
I love them all.

Speaker 6 (09:17):
We have the best university system in the entire country.
It's a beautiful, beautiful system. So as a guy who
came here with nothing, I never thought in my wildest dreams,
I would be a surrogate for a candidate for president
of the United States. And because I'm from New York,
I really never thought I would be a surrogate for
Donald Trump. It's like a New York thing, you know,

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something I never really thought was ever gonna happen. But
it's happening. And we're going all over the country. And
my team would schedule events and I would go into
different arenas, you know, different symposiums, conferences everywhere, talking about
the president's agenda, what we were gonna do to make
America great again. And one of my colleagues, you know her,

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she was supposed to debate me a couple times the
President refers to her as Crockett, and so Crockett was
supposed to debate me. It's a funny thing happened. Her
schedule would always change.

Speaker 7 (10:23):
I would be.

Speaker 8 (10:24):
Ready to go. My team would say, all right, sir,
she's coming in. You're coming in.

Speaker 6 (10:27):
You're gonna debate about this stuff, and it would change,
and miraculously she couldn't do it. I think I remember
one time we were in Philadelphia and we were supposed
to do a debate for NPR, and all of a sudden,
her schedule changed. And the reason why the schedule kept
changing is because we understood very quickly that when you

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try to debate somebody who knows the facts, has the substance,
brings common sense, and has a better argument, it's better.

Speaker 8 (10:59):
For your schedule just to change. It might be better
for you to It might be better for you to.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
Just find something else to do. You see, we live
in a country where it is your voice. That is
what truly matters, not a lot of us who are
on stage or even do TV interviews or on social media.

Speaker 8 (11:22):
It is your voice.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
And the way we expand that voice is that we
need hardworking people from all walks of life who decide
that they're going to give a little bit of time
to this experiment called America.

Speaker 8 (11:36):
Just a little bit of time.

Speaker 6 (11:39):
That's what so many of you in this crowd and
so many others who couldn't join us this weekend here
in Tampa. This is the hard work you did last year.
And look, I get it as somebody who's knocked doors.
Trust me, I've knocked doors. I've knocked doors in the heat.
I've knocked doors looking like this. Can you imagine knocking

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doors in the suit in July in Florida.

Speaker 8 (12:05):
He's shaking his head.

Speaker 6 (12:06):
He's like, nah, man, no, we're not doing it. But
you gotta look good, baby. You got to dress for
the job. You got to show up at the door
and be like, I'm here for you. And so I've
not doors done it. I've been on the phone, did it.
I help people find what list that we're gonna look

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through to call.

Speaker 8 (12:28):
Been there.

Speaker 6 (12:30):
I know the hard work all of you have done,
and that is how you extend that branch. That's how
you reach the people of our country. It's door to door,
call the call person a person. We will find candidates
who will bring candidates who will uphold the principles of conservatism,
the principles of liberty, who fight for America, who are

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always going to stand on the right side of history.
But if that candidate doesn't have you, well that's a
tree that just falls in the forest with no one around.
That tree doesn't make a sound. And so I will
tell you political activism is critical for the future.

Speaker 8 (13:15):
I get it, man, we're riding high. Listen.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
Donald Trump is on a win streak. We've never seen
anything like this. We've never seen anything like this. I mean,
it's just when after when after, when people are excited.
I'll be honest, when I said I'm in and I
was gonna back the president, I backed him because I

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knew he could step in day one and turn this
country around.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
I knew it.

Speaker 6 (13:44):
In part because yes, he had been there and he
knew all the stuff from Trump one and coming into
Trump two, it was gonna be very, very different.

Speaker 8 (13:54):
And they are moving at light speed.

Speaker 6 (13:56):
But I'll be honest with you, I didn't even think
it would be moving this fast.

Speaker 8 (14:00):
Get shocked me.

Speaker 6 (14:03):
But that is because the president has surrounded himself with
life minded individuals who are committed to the agenda and
they're committed to you, the American people. But it didn't
matter where we went. We were on a bus tour
for two weeks in Pennsylvania. It didn't matter if we

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were in Pennsylvania working hard. It had to be people
in the crowd who are gonna be there standing with us.
To you young people at the Student Action Summit, let
me tell you this. We might be winning today. Florida
is red today. But the way we continue to win,

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the way we continue to keep Florida red, the way
we keep Texas and Tennessee red, the way.

Speaker 8 (14:53):
We bring Georgia back from the brink.

Speaker 6 (14:55):
Don't know what's going on there for a little bit,
we're gonna bring it back. If we're ever gonna have
a shot of getting the job done consistently in Nevada
and in Arizona and Wisconsin.

Speaker 8 (15:08):
Is with you.

Speaker 6 (15:16):
You're talking to a guy who fifteen years ago nobody
ever heard of. I walked into a tea party meeting
and they were like, who's this guy? But at least
he wants to learn about the Constitution. I went to
my first Republican Executive committee fourteen years ago and they
were like, we heard about him from the tea Party movement.
Nice to meet your son, because you know I was

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younger than not smaller, same size, just younger, right, and
they're that nice to meet your sonny, just the guy.
But I was passionate. The passion you bring to our
politics is what will keep us at the head of
the table. The work you bring into this endeavor is

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what will keep the Democrats as the current laughing stock
that they are. I mean, has anybody seen like the
Democrat approval rating lately?

Speaker 8 (16:14):
It's like twenty percent. I mean, that's bad.

Speaker 6 (16:20):
It's good for us, sir, You're right, it's good for us,
bad for them. But when you have bad policies, what
do you expect? When you have bad policies and run
worse people, this is what you get. But it's in
our hands. We can't give up now, and I know
you'll probably be like byeren Man, twenty.

Speaker 8 (16:39):
Four was a lot. Do you know how hard we worked?

Speaker 6 (16:42):
Trust me, I know how hard you worked. But constitutionalism,
representative democracy does not function without an active and motivated people.

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I'm a paraphrase, but in all saying goes like this.
Those who do not pay attention to their politics will
be ruled by their inferiors.

Speaker 8 (17:21):
And in America.

Speaker 7 (17:22):
For far too long.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
We have let our inferiors rule over this country. For
far too long, we have let people who quite frankly,
are not smart make decisions as if they are the
only people with intellect in the country. And a large
reason why that was even able to occur is because

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we were just living our lives, raising kids, going to
work in Florida. Head into the beach, and she's ready
to go back to the beach. She's like, I gotta
hit clear water. She's like, after this is over, I'm
hitting clearwater. That's what we're doing. But we can't live
like that anymore. We have to be engaged at all times.

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In this campaign for governor, I'm talking about the future
of our state. We are the best state in the
country here in Florida, the best.

Speaker 8 (18:20):
If you come from another state, I.

Speaker 6 (18:22):
Get it, but trust me, we're the best state in
the country.

Speaker 8 (18:31):
Just get to tell you the truth. You're a Texas person.
I love you. That's great. You're number two anyway.

Speaker 6 (18:37):
Anyway, anyway, Oklahoma's like seven.

Speaker 8 (18:40):
That's all right.

Speaker 6 (18:40):
I know some guys in Oklahoma.

Speaker 8 (18:42):
But let me tell you this. But let me tell
you this. Let me tell you this.

Speaker 6 (18:46):
We've gotten here because of consistent leadership over decades. Governor
DeSantis has done a tremendous job leading this state. A
tremendous job before him, Rick Scott did a tremendous job
leading this state. And so what we're talking about now

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is now that in Florida, the Democrats have been defeated
because we've had great policy and great leadership in our state.
Now it's time to look to the future, diversifying our economy,
making sure that the best jobs that exist anywhere in
America exist here, making Florida the financial capital of the world,
making our roads more efficient and better, cleaning up our

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insurance markets because we got to do that. You young people,
you haven't gotten there yet, but I'm telling you baby,
oh insurance. Oh it's tough, But we have the luxury
of doing that stuff in Florida because if you go
around this state like I have, our activists in Florida

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are committed to keeping Florida the free state of Florida.
They're committed. I know so many of them from my
time in the grassroots. They are locked in and not
going anywhere. So young people, students, activists, I'm telling you.

Speaker 8 (20:15):
I'm telling you the truth.

Speaker 6 (20:19):
There is no movement, there is no party that can
stop young people active for the right principles, the principles
of liberty and freedom for the future of America. I'm
looking at you now in this room, and I'm a

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little scared of y'all, because when you are mobile, agile, active,
when you never quit, you never give up.

Speaker 8 (20:50):
Don't mind the sweat, don't mind the rain.

Speaker 6 (20:52):
Yes, he'll be in a suit or in a button
up in ninety degree weather, but you gotta go see
miss Jane because Miss Jane's got to get to the polls. Baby,
we gotta get you in a vote. Thank you there.
I appreciate you. I appreciate you. We hiring her she's
too active. When that's the energy you bring to this

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movement of ours, we and I say we are unstoppable.
God bless you Turn the Point. I love you, guys,
Stay in the fight, stay with.

Speaker 7 (21:33):
Head.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Welcome back to because Voice coverage of the Student Actions
Summit hosted by Turning Point USA. We are hearing from
amazing folks all weekend long, the grass roots connected with
the greatest figures in the conservative MAGA movement. He just

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heard there the next governor of Florida, Byron Donald's gave
a big speech and we now have rob who has
taken the stage here.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
Let's go listen to him.

Speaker 9 (22:07):
I love it too.

Speaker 10 (22:09):
Look, we're learning so at least the truth is finally
coming out. And I don't know if you've heard, but
apparently Biden's brain didn't work and he wasn't really in charge.

Speaker 11 (22:19):
What a shock, I don't know.

Speaker 10 (22:23):
Also the health movement, we're learning stuff thanks to Robert Kennedy.
We're learning things, things that that have been hidden from
us for so long, like froot loops is not good
for us.

Speaker 11 (22:40):
Neither is coca cola. But the good news is, if
you're going to be.

Speaker 10 (22:45):
Fat, be fat in America. Of Americans are obese obese
meaning technically that their body.

Speaker 11 (23:01):
Fat is obvious.

Speaker 10 (23:06):
But if you're going to be fat, be fat in
America because you can always feel good about yourself. Because
in America, no matter how fat you are, all you
have to do is wait four minutes, five tops before
you see somebody that's way fatter than you are, like,
oh oh, I feel terrible, but look at that piece

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of shit.

Speaker 11 (23:29):
Good lord.

Speaker 12 (23:31):
Anyway, Also, Americans, we are four point two percent of
the world population, yet we consume seventy percent of all
prescription drugs made.

Speaker 10 (23:47):
Excuse me, we are all turning into Elvis's Elvis Presley
died at the ripe old age of.

Speaker 11 (23:53):
Forty two years old.

Speaker 10 (23:56):
Now, I remember I was thirteen years old in nineteen
seve twenty seven. My dad told me that Elvis Presley died.

Speaker 11 (24:02):
It's like, how did Elvis Presley die? I don't even
know how It's possible. They said he died on the toilet.

Speaker 10 (24:08):
It's like that was the craziest thing I'd ever heard
of my life. It's like, how does somebody die on
the toilet? Well, I turned sixty last year, and I
get it.

Speaker 11 (24:19):
I swear at least two times a month.

Speaker 8 (24:21):
I'm like, this could be in.

Speaker 10 (24:24):
All right, honey, tell the kids I love them.

Speaker 11 (24:26):
Nay, all right.

Speaker 10 (24:32):
We are lucky that we turned the corner here. I
mean the laws that are passed under democratic administrations and
states like in Colorado.

Speaker 11 (24:43):
I mean, I will tell.

Speaker 10 (24:44):
You that when I was a child, I remember the
police coming to our grammar school and telling us, Hey,
if any adult wants you or tries you to keep
a secret between you and them, that person is called
a molester and you need to call the police and

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tell your parents. Now that's called a Colorado public school teacher.

Speaker 8 (25:23):
Now, for.

Speaker 11 (25:25):
People who question.

Speaker 10 (25:29):
God's wisdom, God works in very different ways that you
and I wouldn't or couldn't understand.

Speaker 11 (25:38):
And who are we to judge God's wisdom.

Speaker 10 (25:40):
God chooses people that we wouldn't necessarily choose.

Speaker 11 (25:45):
If you look at the Bible and you.

Speaker 10 (25:46):
See Kingvid David was a murder an adulter, somebody who
coveted another man's wife. But God said, yeah, yeah, yeah,
but I need that guy.

Speaker 11 (25:58):
I can to use that guy.

Speaker 10 (26:00):
Moses was a stuttering shepherd. The guy said yeah, yeah,
but I want that guy. And it kind of makes
sense now if you realize why it took Moses nine
different plagues to get Pharaoh Ramses to release the Israelites,

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because Moses was up there going.

Speaker 8 (26:27):
You gotta let my people go go.

Speaker 10 (26:30):
Oh, there's gonna be plagues.

Speaker 7 (26:35):
It.

Speaker 11 (26:35):
Get this guy out of here.

Speaker 10 (26:39):
He's spitting all over me. And it's the same thing
with Donald Trump. God chose Donald Trump to lead this country. Now,
I'm privileged and honored to be with all of you today,
and I can say with pride and with humil that

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because of the young American patriots like yourselves, the communist
attack on the United States, disguised as woke tolerance, has failed.
The plan was to divide us again by race, create
turmoil and confusion in every aspect of society, so that

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chaos would be so overwhelming that we would trade something
that we cherished to regain a sense of calm and order.

Speaker 11 (27:29):
That's something that we were asked to trade for.

Speaker 10 (27:33):
This to trade for the sense of calm was, of course,
our freedom. But America's freedom, earned through blood is not
for sale at any price. And let me tell you
something that is also no longer for sale in America

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thanks to the Trump administration. American farmland is no longer
for sale. Thanks to President Trump's administration, communists China can
no longer own farmland in the United States of America.

Speaker 13 (28:18):
Now do Bill Gates next?

Speaker 10 (28:22):
What we are experiencing is not a revolution, but a
counter revolution against the Democratic Party that tried to tear
apart the very fabric of.

Speaker 11 (28:31):
This great nation.

Speaker 10 (28:33):
I don't know if we truly realize how close we
came to losing everything. Our founding fathers fought and died
for another four years of open borders and another ten
million people coming across our borders would have been enough
to turn the United States into a forever blue California
style crap hole, with every major city flooded with homeless encampments,

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drug addicts, and illegal migro.

Speaker 11 (29:00):
And from every corner of the world.

Speaker 10 (29:03):
The question was, and still is, will President Trump and
this movement be just a minor setback, a speed bump
to the eventual global tyranny of social credit systems, where
every transaction made by citizens will be tracked and approved
or unapproved by banks and by government that tracks everything.

Speaker 11 (29:25):
That each and every one of us say and do.

Speaker 10 (29:27):
Could the United States and this greatest experiment in freedom
the world has ever known, be just this two hundred
and fifty year blip in human history enjoyed by the
very few and fortunate in world history, before the human
race return to feudalism. Thankfully, God has other plans, and

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as long as we are a nation under God, we
will always be free. Our unparalleled freedom is why the
United States is the creative, technological, and financial engine of
the world. Well, my fellow Americans, how do we continue

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to move this counter revolution forward? Luckily, the Democratic Party
has provided a map for us, and if we just
do the exact opposite of what the Democrats did, we
will be free for another thousand years. One of the
phrases that the left loves to use is the right

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side of history.

Speaker 11 (30:37):
It's a kind of incantation that can.

Speaker 10 (30:39):
Magically make any horrible idea sound progressive.

Speaker 11 (30:43):
So while they're destroying women's rights.

Speaker 10 (30:45):
They can say it's a good thing because we're on
the right side of history. As Democratic leaders call for
violence against politicians and federal agents, they'll remind you it's
because they're on the right side of history. All that
stuff about wanting to sterilize children, don't worry.

Speaker 11 (31:05):
They're on the right side of history.

Speaker 10 (31:08):
You know who else thought they were on the right
side of history. Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Malse Dung Polepot,
Benito Mussolini, Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin, Robert Bugabi, Augusto Pinoche,
Nikola Uceescu, Bashal alosad Vlad the.

Speaker 11 (31:27):
Impaler, and Lex Luthor.

Speaker 10 (31:30):
There's no such thing as being on the right side
of history, because we don't know what the future holds.
But those who are convinced of their own infallibility will
always make this claim. It gives them the kind of
a kind of get out clause, and it often justifies
the worst possible behavior. Now that we the Conservatives, are

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in power, we need to think carefully about about how
not to fall into the same trap.

Speaker 11 (32:01):
It's too tempting to assume that we.

Speaker 10 (32:03):
Have all the answers, that we know what the future
will look like.

Speaker 11 (32:07):
But we don't. So what's the solution.

Speaker 10 (32:11):
Humility, listening to others, being willing to have the debate,
not like the Democrats shouting down people on campus, not
just imposing our own values like the woke left have done.
And the best way to ensure that this will happen
is the preservation of our free speech. Free speech is

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the bedrock of our civilization, and for good reason, because
it means that even the most unpopular opinions get an airing,
even the most eccentric and implausible ideas get heard. And
the left forgot about that free speech, that even though
we voted for President Trump, we get the challenge and

(32:56):
test ideas coming out of our own side.

Speaker 7 (33:00):
We seem to assume.

Speaker 10 (33:01):
That just because the left has been wrong about so much,
that the right must be right about everything.

Speaker 11 (33:05):
It doesn't work that way.

Speaker 10 (33:08):
We've all encountered those leftists with Trump derangement syndrome, those
who think anything Trump does must be wrong.

Speaker 11 (33:15):
But certainly, if someone is claiming that Trump's decisions are never.

Speaker 10 (33:18):
Wrong and must be carried out exactly, isn't that just another.

Speaker 11 (33:22):
Form of Trump derangement syndrome.

Speaker 10 (33:25):
So in that spirit of humility and free speech, I
ask these questions.

Speaker 11 (33:36):
Release all the Epstein.

Speaker 10 (33:38):
Files, no matter the consequences. This is America. We'll deal
with whatever happens. Now, we have to also ask ourselves
something else. Why are we so obsessed with Jeffrey Epstein

(33:58):
while three hundred thousand children have been traffic in America
and are still missing.

Speaker 7 (34:11):
Why?

Speaker 10 (34:12):
Another question, why is America still sending arms to Ukraine?

Speaker 11 (34:22):
I have and will always support Israel. Israel is different because.

Speaker 10 (34:28):
If Hamas Hezbolah and Iran had the capability on October seventh,
twenty twenty three to on October seventh, if they had
that capability of just continuing the attack and murdering every man,
woman and child, they would have done that. Israel is
a free country, and Israel is a country that we

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must always stand by. But but until they become the
fifty first or a territory, their lobbying must apply as
foreign lobbyists.

Speaker 7 (35:04):
That's not anti semitic.

Speaker 10 (35:11):
You can support Israel completely and unabashedly, but also want
APEX to apply as a foreign lobbying group. While I
want to put Americans first. If we want to continue
to have fruits and vegetables in this country, we better

(35:32):
find a way to give Mexican workers some avenue to
legally do that work. Because you and I ain't.

Speaker 14 (35:38):
Gonna do it.

Speaker 7 (35:40):
Boo that you want.

Speaker 10 (35:41):
But if you want fruit and vegetables, you better figure
it out.

Speaker 11 (35:44):
And these are the people that are doing it. So
while you disagree with that, I disagree with that with.

Speaker 8 (35:48):
You on that.

Speaker 10 (35:50):
America was built on the freedom to question our government,
and we must ensure that we don't let that principle slide.
Dissent to disagree, and you're right to speak out, to protest,
to challenge authority without fear of censorship or government reprisals
is essential to our liberty. We need to hear what
Thomas Massey has to say. Always boo all you want.

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That's the beauty of this country, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (36:23):
I support it.

Speaker 10 (36:25):
I support your boo, but let's debate it, and let's
talk about it, and let's hear what Thomas Massey always.

Speaker 7 (36:30):
Has to say.

Speaker 10 (36:33):
Free speech, the open marketplace of ideas. This is what
made our country great.

Speaker 14 (36:39):
The fact that you could boo.

Speaker 10 (36:41):
Something I say and that I could disagree with you
is going to always lead America to a better place.

Speaker 11 (36:46):
Than silencing each other.

Speaker 10 (36:54):
Because to not air our grievances, to not air our
grievances is what the left has been trying to do
and will continue to do. The Left has been flirting
with socialism and communism, which will always promise utopia but
always delivered tyranny, famine, and mass murder.

Speaker 8 (37:18):
But we should know better.

Speaker 10 (37:19):
There is no such place as utopia. The word utopia
quite literally comes from the Greek meaning no place.

Speaker 11 (37:27):
That's why you're not going to find it.

Speaker 10 (37:30):
The left thought that if they could impose all their
values on the rest of us, they could achieve paradise.
They lost the art of disagreement. They started calling everyone
fascists for taking an alternative view. They wanted to censor
the Internet to carve out exceptions in the First Amendment

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by calling it hate speech. When Galileo was held under
house arrest.

Speaker 14 (37:58):
That was hate speech too.

Speaker 10 (38:02):
He was a minority voice saying all the elites had
got it wrong, and he turned out to be right.
A coherent society is all about messy negotiations.

Speaker 11 (38:13):
It's about that disagreement.

Speaker 14 (38:16):
It's about debate.

Speaker 10 (38:17):
It's about annoying each other by challenging each other's certainties.
Democracy without disagreement isn't democracy at all. So let's not
make those same mistakes again. America, for all its imperfections,

(38:39):
is still the greatest hope for freedom the world has
ever known. But we we must be vigilant. There will
be no marines from some other country to land on
our beaches to save our ass. No other country will

(39:01):
offer us a Marshall plan. We you and I and
all of us we are it.

Speaker 11 (39:09):
America.

Speaker 10 (39:11):
America is God's blueprint for humanity to live in prosperity
and liberty, because America recognizes the dignity of the individual
and that he is made in God's image and has
inalienable rights. So let's agree that it's okay to disagree

(39:36):
that no opinions, no ideas, no challenges should be off
the table in a free society. If we tolerate the
silencing of anyone, no matter how terrible we find their ideas,
we are establishing that one day it will be us

(39:58):
who will be the ones silence. As Thomas Paine said,
he that would make his own liberty secure must reguard
even his enemy from oppression. For if he violates this duty,
he establishes a president that will reach to himself.

Speaker 11 (40:19):
So I say all these things.

Speaker 10 (40:21):
As the beginning, as we continue.

Speaker 11 (40:24):
This debate, as.

Speaker 10 (40:26):
We continue on college campuses, to go back to discussing,
to disagreeing, defining the best idea, to this wonderful, messy country,
to this wonderful freedom that we have. And I will
always take a messy freedom over a very tidy tyranny. God,

(40:47):
bless all of you.

Speaker 11 (40:47):
Thank you very much, thank you very much.

Speaker 7 (40:51):
Thank you, God, bless your thank you, thank you, God,
bless all of you.

Speaker 11 (40:56):
Thank you, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
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Speaker 10 (43:27):
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Speaker 5 (43:38):
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Speaker 3 (43:38):
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to the stage. Savannah Krizzly has taken the podium.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
Let's go to her.

Speaker 15 (43:49):
That to me is not cool.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
And for us young people, we can be a voice
for those that may not know any better. We can
show up and be authentically ourselves. A friend of mine
just shared a stat with me and he said that
seventy four percent of gen Z don't trust their churches.

Speaker 15 (44:10):
They don't trust their church leaders.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Only eleven percent of gen Z are actually showing up
to church regularly. That to me tells us that we're
doing something wrong. We have to bring God back into church,
back into schools, back into families, back into marriages. That

(44:33):
is what's cool, because I can guarantee you one thing.
I want my kids to look at me and say,
I'm so proud that that's my mom. And They're not
going to find me on only fans.

Speaker 15 (44:42):
I can tell you that.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
And for me my story for those that don't know.
Both my parents were sentenced to a combined nineteen years
in federal prison. I sat in a courtroom and watched
the prosecutors in Fulton County, Georgia to ask for life in.

Speaker 15 (45:01):
Prison for my father.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
And when you're sitting there and when the government alleged
seventeen million dollars worth of fraud, as I said, allegas
because that was not accurate, you asked for life, And
that to me tells us where we're at as a nation.
You saw what the president went through. I lived what

(45:25):
my family went through, and I fought I didn't have
a single political connection. Two and a half years ago,
I had never even been to Washington, d C. And
when my parents went to prison, I refused to accept it.
That wasn't going to be the life that I was
going to accept, not only for me, but for my
brother and sister. I was going to get mom and

(45:47):
dad home, no matter what I had to do. And
I showed up in DC. I showed up in DC,
and I would look at the calendar, whether there was
a White House correspondence dinner or a big politic cool
event happening. I may not have had tickets to it,
but I can tell you I know what hotel they
all stayed at. I know what bars they frequented it to.

Speaker 15 (46:10):
And I showed up at those times.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Because if you can be in the hotel bar and
meet the right person at the right time, don't be
afraid to ask for help. And I put all pride aside.
If I saw a politician that could help, I went
up to them and said, hey, I need you.

Speaker 16 (46:25):
And this is why I was not afraid to use
my voice.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
And especially to all of the women in the room,
we're told be quiet, don't be as loud. You have
to be feminine, you have to whatever people want to say,
but be loud. Your voice matters. Stand up for the
people that feel like they've been left behind, because I

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can tell you that's exactly what I did, And.

Speaker 15 (46:51):
In a room full of men and being.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Told to shut up, I just got louder. And because
of everything that my family went through, I wouldn't trade it.

Speaker 17 (47:03):
For the world.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
But there is a oh gosh, I don't even know
why I'm saying this, but I'm going to. I had
a meeting at the White House a few weeks ago
about me potentially taking over a house seat in Tennessee
that's coming available, and what a.

Speaker 15 (47:24):
Journey that would be.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
I have gone through the process to see what that
would look like for me and my family, and I
know right now I can implement more change in atmospheres
like this, on college campuses, with youth, with young voters,
because in twenty twenty eight, this is our time to
stabilize ourselves and actually show up to vote. Show up

(47:48):
to vote, tell your friends to vote, go help them register,
educate yourselves, and educate yourselves on what you're voting for.

Speaker 15 (47:56):
Because, just like Riley.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Gaines, we don't want men and women's sports. We don't
want to make abortion cool again. I'm sorry, but I'm
pro life and there's.

Speaker 15 (48:09):
No apologies about it.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
So when it comes to running for public office right.

Speaker 15 (48:17):
Now, I don't know if I really want the House seat.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
I think maybe there's a Senate seat that could come
in my future in the next three years, and I'm
gonna go for the big dog. And as a woman,
that makes me feel so good because there is powerful
women that need to be in a position to make

(48:41):
change and to not be afraid to show up in
a room full of men and.

Speaker 15 (48:45):
Have your voice heard.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
And my little sister's looking up to me. I want
to show her that women have a seat at the
table and you don't always have to fight for her.
And since I'm clearly a fight, both my parents came
home and it was the greatest day of my entire life.

(49:10):
They came home May twenty eighth, and we are now
in July.

Speaker 15 (49:14):
I've had my feel it's a lot of family time.
I'm grateful for it.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
But my joke with my dad is that I think
there's a return policy. So before I implement that return policy,
I'm gonna have my dad out and we're gonna.

Speaker 16 (49:31):
Answer a few questions.

Speaker 18 (49:34):
Come on, old man, come on, so.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
And I love you back.

Speaker 15 (49:51):
Honestly, guys, he looks great, doesn't he.

Speaker 9 (49:57):
I will say, I say, it's the glow for those.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
That don't know, that's Bureau of Prisons. But when I
picked my dad up, I facetimed Mardo and she was
with the President and the President looks at him and goes,
you look good, and we died laughing.

Speaker 15 (50:16):
So, Dad, what how does it feel?

Speaker 2 (50:19):
First off, this is the biggest crowd that you've been
in since.

Speaker 9 (50:22):
Being home, Yes, since being home. Yes, And it's a lot,
it's a lot, but it kind of feels like home.
It feels like home.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
When you had to report for prison, what was that
feeling for you, knowing that you had just gotten twelve
years in federal prison for something that you.

Speaker 15 (50:45):
Did not do.

Speaker 9 (50:47):
You know, as we've talked to in our as our family,
God had taken that fear away from me before.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
I ever laughed.

Speaker 9 (50:55):
And although I was angry with God at that moment,
it was angry. While I was there for that first
several weeks. I now realized that God's mission for me
was far greater than anything I could imagine, and when
he placed me in the belly of the beast, it
was so that I could see what was really going
on in our country, because what you see out here,

(51:17):
this is our country. But you forget about those hundred
and fifty eight one hundred and fifty nine thousand men
and women who are incarcerated and out of sight, out
of mind. And I made a commitment that I would
never forget about those hundred and fifty eight thousand men
and women. And so when I left, as grateful as
I was to get that phone call that I had

(51:38):
been pardoned, there was a sadness of leaving these men behind,
of knowing that they didn't have your voice. And I
made a commitment between me and God and my brothers
that are there, that I will now become your voice.
So my mission today is more clearly than it's ever been.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Well's I say, I wouldn't trade it for the world,
because if it wasn't for all of this. I mean,
I sat in a room with Tom Homan and he
looked at me. Inside Savannah, you would be infuriated if
you saw the criteria for these ice detention facilities and
where your parents are at? And I said, what are

(52:20):
you talking about? He goes, Oh, where your parents are
at is far worse than these ice detention facilities.

Speaker 9 (52:26):
Well, you know, I can tell you that in speaking
with my brothers there, that when you look at how
much money was being paid for the illegal immigrants to
come in our country and what they were being given every.

Speaker 15 (52:38):
Day, legal aliens, I'll crack you.

Speaker 9 (52:40):
Aliens immigrants, Uh, regardless they were. It was like over
three hundred and fifty dollars a day in New York City.
But yet it cost one hundred and twenty two dollars
a day to incarcerate an American citizen in prison. And
to me, that made no sense. No, you're giving medical
care to people that are not citizens, but yet you're
denying it to those that are.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Exactly And I think too what we're doing now with
the Bureau of Prisons with Director Billy Marshall and Deputy
Director Josh Smith. I the first meeting I had with
him was three hours long, and that tells me that
the President did something right. Yes, So president has put
people in a position of power that want to hear

(53:23):
where the corruption is occurring and how do we fix it,
And we're working hand in hand with both of them.
I don't think you could have better men in charge.

Speaker 9 (53:33):
You know, when you know how I feel about the
Bureau of Prisons because I feel like that it's the
most abusive agency that we have in our country.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
It's only form of slavery that we have left in
the United States, exactly.

Speaker 9 (53:45):
And my faith was restored in speaking with the new director,
Billy Marshall, and with Josh Smith, the deputy director, and
I truly see change. Change is coming. But when you're
inside that prison, your hope is President Donald Trump because
of the FSA Act, the First Step Act. And so

(54:07):
you're sitting there calculating your days knowing that this man
in twenty eighteen implemented the First Step Act. But then
you realize after sitting there that during the Biden administration
they did nothing with the First Step Act, nothing nothing,
that was just a jab at President Trump. But now
these men and women stand have the opportunity to shorten

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their sentences about up to forty five percent under President Trump.
So I thank god. First I think President Trump, and
then I think my daughter.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
So I do have a tough question that I want
you to be one hundred and ten percent honest.

Speaker 9 (54:45):
Yes, I've had botox.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
We know that I was right when he got out
when obviously we have grown up in the world of
television of Hollywood for the past twelve years and twelve fifteen.

Speaker 15 (55:01):
God, you lose count.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
But in that world we were told no politics, you
keep quiet about it, no religion. And when I came
out politically, I know.

Speaker 15 (55:16):
There were some people in the family.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
That was like, she's be quiet, She's to be quiet,
and it worried a lot of people.

Speaker 15 (55:22):
It scared a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
What were your thoughts and feelings and was there a
part of you that was scared because of how we
all as a society have been conditioned.

Speaker 9 (55:31):
Well, no, because you if you'll remember back in season
one of our show, we were asked to take out
the prayer sing about praying before we eat, and I said,
if we can't worship our God on this show, then
we don't need to be doing a show with you.
So you having a voice, you was raised to be

(55:55):
heard and I've always told you there's no room you
can't walk into. But I know that I was conditioning
you to be the savior of mine in your mother's life.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
So as being a Christian conservative older man.

Speaker 16 (56:13):
What is some advice that right?

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Yeah, of course, he's always told us. We lost track
of his birthday's grind.

Speaker 9 (56:20):
I've caught up with my children's age at this point.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Yeah, what advice would you give to this group of
young conservative adults that are struggling now in a world
of technology and social media, are not feeling like their voice.

Speaker 15 (56:34):
Is being heard.

Speaker 9 (56:35):
I would say to you to stop listening to the noise,
because you are a child of God. You are made
perfectly as you are, and we as a country should
wrap our arms around each other. We should not ostracize people.
I believe that our country, that we are a melting pot,

(56:57):
and we want people to feel safe in our country
and to come here, but to come here legally. I
would say that you're a child of God, so you're
loved all the time. And I watch young kids every
day struggle with the comments that are made about them
on social media or someone said this about them in school.

(57:18):
Their opinion only matters to you if you allow it
to matter. And you know, we are more than just
someone else's opinion. And at the end of the day,
I choose not to fight what people say about me
because I'm gonna let God do that because he saw

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it too.

Speaker 15 (57:41):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Well, why don't we open up to the audience for
some questions. Perfect someone's walking around with.

Speaker 16 (57:53):
A mic, up, we'll just go to the people with
the mics.

Speaker 19 (58:08):
As as Christians, what do you think about like the
separation of Christian and politics, like how much should you
get involved in your church and stuff?

Speaker 9 (58:21):
I think personally that you as a young man, should
always be involved and should have a political view, and
that it should be guided by your faith.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
I think for me, when you live the Word of God,
that dictates every decision that you make in your life.
And when it comes to politics, you can't sit and
say you're pro life, or you can't sit and say
you're not pro life while being a Christian. And I
also say to people there is I know too that

(58:58):
what I'm about to say is a very very conflictings.

Speaker 15 (59:01):
Half the people in this room won't agree.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Half may But even when it comes to gay marriage,
I say, I know what the Bible says about it.
But I also know that the Bible says I had
your life mapped out for you before you were ever
even conceived. And at the end of the day, we
were called to love people and love people well. And
I think that's what life is about. Show up love people,
love people well, and you're set.

Speaker 7 (59:32):
Good morning.

Speaker 20 (59:33):
My name is Don Sovelo and I'm from Kirk County,
where the catastrophic Guadalupe River flood happened. What are your
thoughts on what happened back in Kirk County and what
are your thoughts on the people politicizing what happened and
saying that we deserve this.

Speaker 9 (59:49):
You know, again, I try not to listen to the
noise because if you're listening to the noise, you're not helping.
So my heart breaks for you and your community and
for every child that was lost, every individual that was
fighting to save a child. My heart breaks for you.

Speaker 11 (01:00:05):
Because I have children.

Speaker 9 (01:00:08):
I believe we should be less worried about politics and
a time of need like this, and we should band together.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
This right now is not a left or right issue.
This is a humanity issue and lives were lost. So
when it comes to politicizing disasters like this, I absolutely
find it disgusting and that's not what matters.

Speaker 9 (01:00:34):
Hi.

Speaker 15 (01:00:34):
Thank you guys. This is mostly for Todd. I know
you were in the prison, so some I.

Speaker 7 (01:00:43):
Was.

Speaker 21 (01:00:43):
I don't want to say a victim because that's a
terrible mentality, but I was looked into by the FBI
because of my political views, but as somebody who is
a conservative but wanted to go in law enforcement, to
leave that out of the picture, to fully focus on
a career. How do you think we can go about
that and continue our career even though having this over
our head with the FBI looking into our personal lives

(01:01:07):
because somebody didn't agree with our personal opinions.

Speaker 9 (01:01:10):
Well, I think that that was the Biden administration and
the administrations before or been. I do believe that. I
do believe that with Cash Betel at the head of
at the head of that agency, now you're going to
see a lot of change. But we cannot through adversity, Wilt.
That is our time to stand up. And I can

(01:01:32):
tell you during the Bureau of Me being in prison,
there were so many men that were mistreated that didn't
have a voice, and I stood up against that at
every turn. I mean, there's people in here tonight whose
families are here who still have incarcerated loved ones in Hannah.
If you're out there, I hear you. But at the

(01:01:52):
end of the day, I think that you have to
stand up against what you know is wrong, and we
have to applaud when when it's wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
And also, do not you follow your dream if it
doesn't matter who is looking into you, whether it's FBI,
who DOJ, whoever. You allow that to be your fuel
to fight hard.

Speaker 9 (01:02:13):
Amen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Because for me, if I would have allowed the irs, DOJ,
Fulton County, all these people they tried to scare me,
I could have just laid back, laid down and just
let them run all over me.

Speaker 15 (01:02:26):
I didn't. I fought back.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
And because I fought back in the midst of it,
it was hard. There were times I wanted to give up,
but I knew I had to do the right thing
in the end. So don't allow anyone to take your dream.

Speaker 9 (01:02:37):
For me, and you know, to go back to you.
When we came home, my wife said to me, she said,
are you going to leave this alone? And I said no,
And I said I'm going to I said, I'm going
to make sure that it's exposed what has happened to us.
And so after going through what we went through, it
would be easy to sit back and say, Okay, I'm

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not going to say anything else. That's not what God
wants you to do. God tells you to speak out,
so you speak out and stand up for yourself.

Speaker 7 (01:03:13):
I'm so grateful to ask that question because I'm very
similar question.

Speaker 10 (01:03:16):
How do you help people not be hypocrites and actually
stand up and be courageous and actually be Christians they
say they feel they are.

Speaker 9 (01:03:25):
You know, I think, and I've said this for years
to my children, that we as Christians are sometimes our
own worst enemy. That we want to kind of be
quiet when there's an uncomfortable situation. I have never believed
in being quiet, which everyone in this room knows. I
believe that we should stand up for what is right,

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and I think at times we've all been hypocrites. You know,
we don't want to get involved in certain things. Well,
you know that's an uncomfortable situation. I can tell you
for twenty eight months I was uncomfortable, But at no
time did I not stand up and speak out and
say this is injustice, this is inhumane. People should not
be treated this way, and you can't talk to him

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that way. So I'm saying to you, if someone in
my circle thinks I'm being hypocritical, I want to be
called out for that because I want to be the
voice of God.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
But I also think too, the biggest misconception about Christianity
is that it's perfection, that you're supposed to show up
and look perfect and act perfect and say the perfect things.

Speaker 15 (01:04:26):
Christianity is messy. You're gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Angry at God, you're gonna doubt God, You're gonna go
through these ebbs and flows. And the reason so many
young adults are veering away from the church is because
we've been taught it's perfection.

Speaker 15 (01:04:43):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
It is messy, and it is the most beautiful mess
you could ever live because at the end there's redemption.

Speaker 9 (01:04:50):
And you know, I'll add to that. I think when
you say that so many young people are leaving the church,
I think it's because it's not that they're wanting to
leave the church. They're leaving the message that's being delivered.
The church should always adhere to what is biblical, what
the scripture says, and you go to church to find
out the truth, not a show, not a whitewashed, sugar

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coated version that makes everyone feel comfortable.

Speaker 8 (01:05:21):
Hi.

Speaker 22 (01:05:21):
Hi, my name is John Carlinos. Tu said, I'm a
put a conservative activist.

Speaker 14 (01:05:26):
From Puerto Rico.

Speaker 22 (01:05:27):
My question is for Savannah. Savannah, Yes, you just talked
about supporting gay marriage and empowering women and standing up
to men, and we know the attacks of feminism to
traditional families. Do you consider yourself a feminist?

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
I do not.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
I do not. I do not consider myself a feminist.
I believe that that what is so powerful about being
feminine is having a voice and knowing when to it
and then knowing when to be soft. So no, I
don't believe that I'm a feminist. But I also do
believe that as women we have a seat at the table.

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We deserve just as much pay as a man.

Speaker 16 (01:06:11):
Yets we deserve that equality.

Speaker 15 (01:06:14):
But I also do believe I grew up with Southern values.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
I want to take my kids to school, I want
to cook dinner for my family.

Speaker 18 (01:06:22):
I want to provide.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
So I truly do believe the feminine energy is strong
while also being soft at the same time.

Speaker 9 (01:06:34):
I'm proud of you.

Speaker 14 (01:06:35):
This will be the last question.

Speaker 10 (01:06:38):
Hi.

Speaker 15 (01:06:38):
So, my name is Jayce Swearingen. I'm from up North Ulei, Florida.

Speaker 18 (01:06:42):
I grew up.

Speaker 23 (01:06:43):
Watching your show, So shout out to my mom.

Speaker 15 (01:06:45):
She loves the guys.

Speaker 23 (01:06:46):
So my questions for Todd, I was wondering, how did
you keep your faith, especially being in prison, and you know,
was it a tough journey to you know, be able
to wake up and pray but be surrounded by you know,
gray walls and like house.

Speaker 15 (01:07:00):
How was that situation?

Speaker 9 (01:07:01):
I will tell you that my faith grew much stronger.
My faith when God, when you're stripped away of everything
and all you have is God, that's when he's right
in your face. And I will tell you, with all
of the men that was there that I worshiped with,
that I still communicate with, it was a My faith

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today is stronger than it has ever been. And I
don't know that it would have happened had I not
been there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
I think one of my favorite things that you say
is prison is the greatest equalizer.

Speaker 9 (01:07:35):
It is because you know, when you're in prison, it
doesn't matter that you have a mansion waiting on you,
or you have cars and money and whatever, because not
everyone has that. But in prison, you have three hundred
and sixty dollars a month that you can spend. You
wear the same clothes, you have the same routine. And
I will tell you the brotherhood that I that was

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created with me, there is something that will carry me
for the rest of my life. So God was good
to me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Thank you guys, well, thank you guys so much.

Speaker 15 (01:08:06):
And we'll end it on a lighter note.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
What was your favorite food in prison that they concocted
and made?

Speaker 9 (01:08:14):
Casadilla?

Speaker 15 (01:08:17):
And how did they make it?

Speaker 9 (01:08:19):
We made it with an iron like you iron your clothes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
So welcome to prison, guys, but thank you so.

Speaker 24 (01:08:26):
Much, God, bless thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Welcome back Casa prison case. I'm getting hungry, but.

Speaker 5 (01:08:50):
I don't know about a prison casey.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
I got an iron, you got an iron. Let's that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:08:54):
I don't mean any of us on this stage. I've
been to prison.

Speaker 4 (01:08:58):
I've been to jail, Okay, yeah, for with Laura Lumer.
Actually for the governor's man in California. Did they feed
you for the sanctuaries? No, they didn't, okay, so.

Speaker 5 (01:09:08):
You couldn't rate your favorite person there about four.

Speaker 15 (01:09:11):
Hours in this okay, so they're not giving you a case.

Speaker 10 (01:09:13):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
By the way, the most epic mug shot ever I
had my Trumps, your president biggest.

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
Do we have that mug shot?

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
I don't think they have.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
It, Okay, posted on social labor, but it was beautiful.
It was one of the bet we did the sanctuary
State Fair. As they're letting illegals into our country. We're like,
wait a second, where's our sanctuary. Shouldn't we be able
to jump the wall at the Governor's mansion? Apparently not.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
The ben berkwall mug shot the second most iconic one
behind Donald J.

Speaker 5 (01:09:42):
Trumps.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Of course, really, I've posted him side by side.

Speaker 5 (01:09:45):
They are epic.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
That is that is amazing and wrapping up an epic
weekend here Tampa, Flor to the student Action Summitt, host
of My Turning Point USA. Again, we were not lying.
We had your coverage from the first speaker all the
way to the last, and you know, it has been
an incredible weekend and I think there's been a lot
of highlights, a lot of incredible moments, and we're kind

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of wrapping up our coverage here. I think we might
have one speaker left, but let's go around the horn
here and talk about for the viewers who were tuning
in at the end, a little highlight, a wrap up
of what this soul entailed and what you thought the
main takeaways, what.

Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
The main themes were on the mind of.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
The people, because there seemed to be a couple of
different themes that kept getting brought up here over the weekend,
and it's a good way for the politicians in charge
to say, listen, this is what we need to care about,
because this is what's on the mind of the base
and the voters.

Speaker 25 (01:10:37):
BO what you think, well, number one, I think, you know,
celebrating some of Trump's victories in his first several months
in office, I think that's a big thing. Obviously, with
Tom Homan being here, I think the border victories, you
have to celebrate those as well. But the controversial topics
Epstein came up time and time and time again, and
it seems that there's some out there that want to
just quash this and say there's nothing here.

Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
But I think there is something here.

Speaker 25 (01:10:58):
And it's very clear to me that the young student
actually do want that red meat. They want to know,
they want transparency, and they want trust. Those are the themes
that I saw for the weekend.

Speaker 26 (01:11:05):
Michelle, Yeah, double down on that. Epstein a massive topic.
We said, we were actually told not to discuss this
with some of our interviews, and as Mike Crispy put
it so bluntly with his New York charm, we said, no,
you're you're not coming on.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
We're not an on if you're going to give us
a three condition absolute question.

Speaker 26 (01:11:22):
Yeah right, no way, exactly, because we want transparency just
as much as everyone here does as well, so as
much as we love the big beautiful bill, and there's
some massive accomplishments that happen with that. It is getting
overshadowed by this Epstein situation. It's ultimately because people are
demanding transparency. Nonetheless, though, I was really inspired by a

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lot of the younger kids that I saw here today
making a difference, wanting a change.

Speaker 5 (01:11:47):
Again.

Speaker 26 (01:11:48):
This is going to be the future, and the midterms
are going to be here before we know it. I
know we're still all maybe a little exhausted by this
past election year, but it's coming, and we saw a
preview of what can happen if we let things get
out of control again. Look what going on in New
York City right now. It is so important to get
people engaged and ensure we are getting ready for the midterm.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
And speaking of which, speaking of engaged, a man who
is engaged outside with the looney left protesters makes it enough.
We'll call it the spiciest hour of the content that
we brought you. Ben Berkwam outside with the protesters, you know,
putting up with that smell, okay of leftist protesters who
haven't bathed in weeks, and they get paid fifty bucks

(01:12:27):
to come out in the hot Tampa the sun.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
We're gonna have to hold that hold that thought is
Charlie Kirk's on stage, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
I will finish that thought when we get back.

Speaker 27 (01:12:38):
I think we just need to just remember how far
our nation has come in the span of one year,
of how much has changed, and thanks to the goodness
and glory of God that Donald Trump turned his head
at that very moment. I'll never forget where I was
with my daughter. All of a sudden I saw in
the We're in some workout area and a son on

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screen Donald Trump shot. You all remember where you were
when you first heard the news, and then what a
sigh of relief when we saw him rise up and
he said fight, fight, fight. One year ago to this day.
But the reason I wanted to start with this is
that we also lost one of our own patriots that day,
Corey Competori, and we should just do a moment of
silence for ten seconds to remember Corey Compeatory that lost

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his life a year ago.

Speaker 13 (01:13:23):
Today.

Speaker 27 (01:13:28):
Thank you, and I know that so many of you
have been to MAGA rallies. He died a hero's death.
He put his body in the way and saved his
daughter's lives that they may live for the men out there.
That is the best of MAGA masculinity. And Corey, we
remember you today here in Tampa, Florida. Our last bit

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of programming here is going to be a debate. As
many of you guys know, I speak a lot about
this on college campuses. I get so many questions about
this topic on college campuses. Some of my best memories
ever I've been going to Israel, traveling to Israel, seeing
where Jesus rose from the Dad Jesus walked on water,
spoke in the gardenment, guest Enemy gave the sermon Mount Beatitudes, Abraham,
Isaac and Jacob and Hebron and some of my greatest

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experiences have been in the Holy Land and defending Israel.
But as you know, this is a very hot topic
on campus and increasingly a hot topic in conservative circles.

Speaker 13 (01:14:29):
And I thought, hey, let's.

Speaker 27 (01:14:31):
Lean in to that disagreement. Let's lean into that debate.
Let's have two people that don't agree on this topic.
That are some of the best defenders of the position
when it comes to Israel, when it comes to the
Twelve Day War, when it comes to whether or not
we should be supporting or sending aid to Israel. Because
we as conservatives, we want to have this debate. We

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don't want to just all of a sudden say oh,
you're not allowed to say that. No, we want to
foster an environment where we get.

Speaker 8 (01:14:56):
To the truth.

Speaker 27 (01:14:57):
We want to find the best ideas and have the
best the ideas win.

Speaker 13 (01:15:01):
And so we are.

Speaker 27 (01:15:02):
Thrilled to have two men and they know what they're
talking about. I'm gonna be moderating this. We're gonna make
sure that this remains mostly peaceful. So give it up
for Josh Hammer and Dave Smith, everybody. So, Josh and Dave,

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welcome to Turning Point us A welcome to Tampa, and
give it up for both these men.

Speaker 5 (01:15:48):
Again.

Speaker 27 (01:15:49):
It's so we have a clock here we can blow
through that if this is going well and respectful and spirited.
I first wanted to start by introducing both these men,
Josh Hammer, Newsweek, Josh Hammer's Show. Josh is a very
passionate and eloquent defender of Israel and also is a
great friend and someone that we talk about a lot

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of other issues as well. So Josh, welcome, great to
have you, great to be a true Also Dave Smith.
Dave is comedian a lot of fans if you are
here in the audience, Dave and also a libertarian, and
we're not going to talk much about that, but we're
talking about how much we agreed backstage on certain things,
and Dave means a lot that you made work here.

(01:16:31):
You took an awful flight to get here from halfway
across the country, and so Dave, you could plug your
stuff as well, because I don't know the name of
your show and stuff.

Speaker 13 (01:16:40):
But I want to start with this.

Speaker 27 (01:16:41):
I want to start with opening statements, if you will.
There are three big things that I want to cover,
and we just did a focus group with some of
our students here earlier. The three big things want to cover.
We want to cover the twelve day war between Israel
and Iran. What do we think of that?

Speaker 7 (01:16:53):
Good? Bad?

Speaker 27 (01:16:54):
How did Trump handle it? Number two, we want to
talk about the appeared the fake or the amount of
Israeli influence in American politics from APAC to how congressmen
are involved and kind of have our discussion debate, and
then finally it's one thing to be against stuff everybody
you can always you know, I.

Speaker 13 (01:17:12):
Don't like this. I don't like that.

Speaker 27 (01:17:13):
I want both of these men to present what they
Their solution is their proposition of how what they are proposing.
So with that though, Dave, I thought it would be helpful.
This is your first turning point event some people aren't
familiar with your work. Introduce yourself, make an introductory statement,
and the floor is yours, my friend.

Speaker 17 (01:17:30):
Well, thank you very much, and thank you guys for
having me.

Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:17:34):
As as as Charlie mentioned, I took a flight here,
so I'm going on no sleep, so if Josh wins,
it doesn't count. But I I'm a stand up comedian
and I'm also a libertarian.

Speaker 7 (01:17:50):
I'm really a follower of.

Speaker 17 (01:17:53):
The greatest congressman who's ever lived, who is doctor Ron Paul,
who is turning ninety years old. Happy birth to him.
And it as far as look, I would say, I
think that American foreign policy for my entire life has
been insane and like criminally insane. We've launched war after war,

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We've talked about peace through strength, the whole time, but
all we've gotten is permanent militarism and forever wars against
countries that pose no threat to us.

Speaker 7 (01:18:23):
And a huge.

Speaker 17 (01:18:24):
Part of the reason why we've embarked on this is
because the neo Conservatives hijacked our foreign policy and they
were in power after nine to eleven, and the neo Conservatives,
as everybody who's followed it knows, were joined at the
hip with the Lekud party. That's just the fact they
all admitted in their own words. And you can go
back and you can read the Clean Break memo. You
can read the companion piece Coping with Crumbling States. This

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was written by David Wormser and Richard Pearl, and they
laid out their plant.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
Now.

Speaker 7 (01:18:53):
Their plan was that to help Israel.

Speaker 17 (01:18:57):
The Clean Break is a break from the peace process,
break from Oslow, which was designed to give the Palestinians
their own state. And these neo conservative geniuses decided that
instead of the Israelis making peace with the Palestinians, they
could just have the US overthrow all of the surrounding
governments that were giving Israel a hard time. And this

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is where for Star General Wesley Clark says that he
saw the plans right after nine to eleven to overthrow
seven countries in the next five years.

Speaker 7 (01:19:25):
And what was the last country on that list? It
was Iran. Okay, this is.

Speaker 17 (01:19:30):
A big part of what the whole conflict is about.

Speaker 7 (01:19:33):
Now.

Speaker 17 (01:19:33):
The neo conservatives, neo conservative has kind of become like
a pejorative for warhawks these days. And don't get me wrong,
I support that. Keep calling them neocons, But the actual
neo conservatives, the self identified neo conservatives, aren't really in
power anymore.

Speaker 7 (01:19:49):
But Benjamin Netanyahu is.

Speaker 17 (01:19:50):
Still in power in Israel and the LCUDE Party is
still pushing for this.

Speaker 12 (01:19:54):
Now.

Speaker 17 (01:19:54):
I want very quickly. I'll try to not go too
long here, I bet.

Speaker 7 (01:19:57):
Okay.

Speaker 17 (01:19:58):
They actually did focus group ten sting back in the
nineties before the first Gulf War in Iraq, and you know,
Americans weren't really moved by we have to reinstall the
King of Kuwait, but they were moved by the nuclear threat. Now,
if you go read Coping with Crumbling States or the
Clean Break Memo in the nineties, when the neocons admitted
they wanted to overthrow Saddam Hussein, they never said it

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was because he had nuclear weapons.

Speaker 7 (01:20:22):
They said he was a problem for Israel in the region.

Speaker 17 (01:20:25):
They only made up that lie after nine to eleven
because they knew that's what would sell you. Maybe not
you, you're too young, but sell your moms and dads on
going and fight in this war.

Speaker 7 (01:20:35):
And by the way, when they talked.

Speaker 17 (01:20:36):
About wanting to overthrow Iran, it was the same thing.
Never had nothing to do with a nuclear threat. That's
just the thing they use now as the excuse. So, yes,
there is tremendous influence by Israel in our government. That
doesn't mean I'm subscribing to some crazy conspiracy or telling
you to hate Jewish people. I'm Jewish. I'm just saying
they have influence, they've used it in a very negative way,

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and we should reject this insane foreign policy and embrace
the foreign policy that doctor Ron Paul advocated, which is
the foreign policy of the Founding Fathers. Stay out of
entangling Alliance says, stay out of unnecessary wars, be friends
with the world, and trade with the world. That's the
key to prosperity.

Speaker 13 (01:21:13):
Thank you, Dave.

Speaker 27 (01:21:16):
Josh opening statement.

Speaker 13 (01:21:18):
Feel free to respond, and then we'll proceed as we go.
So that was about three and a half four minutes,
so same amount as time.

Speaker 28 (01:21:24):
All right, So it's really great to be here. Thank
you Charlie for having me, Thank you Turning Point for
having me back. It's really wonderful to be at this
amazing conference. You know, Dave Joe that he didn't get
any sleep last night. Say's actually also a fast day
on the Jewish calendar. I'm not eating or even drinking water.
So we're all we're all on the same page here.
We're all just totally screwed. So you can kind of
get get off the same start start starting place there. Look,
there's a lot of substance to respond to. I'll just

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really briefly do that and then talk about what I
actually want to talk about them. In my opening remarks,
Dave mentioned this alleged coordination between the neo Conservatives, which
I presume he means Bush era foreign policy and the
Lacud Party. I presume half of you probably don't even
know what the Locude party is. It's referring to the
Israeli right. It's very instructive, and Dave always conveniently neglects

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to inform the audience of this that the actual leader
of the Israeli right back in two thousand and two,
men by the name of Ariel Sharon vehemently opposed the
Bush administration going into a rock. So this whole notion
that Israel is talking America into foreign warris is total nonsense. Actually,
twenty eleven, when the Obama administration toppled Momar Kadaffi in Libya,

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it's actually well known that Libya actually sent secret diplomatic
envoys to Israel trying to tell them to then talk
to the United States and France to talk NATO off
of that attack there. So this whole narrative is totally
backwards there. But I want to kind of dumb things
down a little bit here. I see a lot of
people wearing forty seven hats. I vote a President Trump
multiple times. I love our president. You guys love our president? Right,

(01:22:47):
you love President Trump? Okay, this is this is turning point.

Speaker 14 (01:22:51):
Freaking us.

Speaker 28 (01:22:52):
Say, Charlie, God bless you. You have built the largest maga
grassroots army in the country. Series Front you you deserve this.
You all are car carrying members of it. We hear
a part of that. The good news is that while
no one should be afraid of debate, and this debate
is a nice thing here. The MAGA movement is actually
quite unified, believe it or not. All the talk to
the contrary when it comes to these issues. An overwhelming

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majority of self identified mag Republicans supports close users relations,
according to a CBS News poll. Moreover, after the recent
Operation Midnight Hammer B two bombers in Iran, ninety four
percent ninety four percent of self identified mag Republicans supported
President Trump's dropping those B two bombs on four Donatans

(01:23:35):
and the other Ronnie facilities there. This is a wildly,
wildly popular policy there. What did Dave Smith say about this?
He re upped his now years long crusade to call
for Donald Trump's impeachment. Y'all probably don't know that about
Dave smithdo He's now called for Dave Smith for Donald
Trump to be impeached multiple times. But Dave, you know, look,
I mean, I don't like when people misquote me either.

(01:23:55):
You probably don't like when people misquote you. So I
actually have a little bit of a highlight reel here
of Dave Smith tweets over the years. Dave Smith March nineteenth,
twenty twenty four. Donald Trump is responsible for around five
hundred thousand debts in Yemen. In between the weapons to
Ukraine and the Abraham Accords. Jerusale Embassy, he is at
least partially responsible for the two worst humanitarian crises in

(01:24:15):
the world. He's a war criminal who should spend his
life in prison. He is calling Donald Trump a war
criminal who should spend his life in prison. You should
be living at that. I am living that as a
Trump supporter Donald Trump. Dave Smith, June sixteen, twenty twenty five.
Trump allegedly had full prior knowledge of Israel's attacks and
gave it his blessing while pretending to be negotiating with

(01:24:37):
the Iranians as a cover. If this is true, Trump
is the most impotent bitch of a leader imaginable. He's
calling our president, the greatest president in my lifetime, an
impotent bitch. Are you kidding me? June twenty first, twenty
twenty five. Donald Trump is at an illegal war of
aggression against Ran.

Speaker 8 (01:24:55):
The risk of an.

Speaker 28 (01:24:56):
Absolute catastrophe is very high and the benefits are non existent.
Dave Smith, June twenty first, dead wrong. This notion that
World War three would start. Not a single American casualty.
We should be celebrating that. Donald Trump fulfilled multiple He
fulfilled multiple campaign promises. The Escalator's speech in twenty fifteen
at Trump Tower, he literally said, I'm not gonna let

(01:25:18):
a wrong get nuclear weapon. And guess what I Also,
he said, I oppose a new conservative foreign policy. He
did both of those things with Iran. He deprived the
Irani regime of nuclear weapons while not losing a single
American sailor soldier marine while depriving them of nuclear weapons.
And finally, trial I lent one this Dave Smith, July eighth,
twenty twenty five. In the last month, Donald Trump has
launched a war of aggression on behalf of a foreign government,

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exploded the debt, announced that he's continuing the Biden policy
of armed Ukraine and cover up a giant child rape operation. So,
according to my interlock, yetar, Donald Trump is not just
engaging in wars on behalf of foreign government. He is
also covering up the world's giants pedophilic child sex trafficking
ring allegedly at presume, on behalf of foreign government as well.
So I'm disgusted, frankly that this man is on stage
that okay.

Speaker 7 (01:26:01):
Well.

Speaker 13 (01:26:02):
Got it, so.

Speaker 27 (01:26:05):
You can see piece is hard. I'm trying to keep
the peace. Now, Dave, I want to give you an
opportunity about four minutes to respond to that. But also
I do want to now that we had the opening
Salvos and the Tomahawk missiles launched, Let's let's respond as
you see fit now and then bring us to the
twelve day war.

Speaker 7 (01:26:23):
Is that road?

Speaker 13 (01:26:24):
Let's stay focused on that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:25):
Yeah, we can't.

Speaker 13 (01:26:26):
Well, the thing defend yourself, Sean.

Speaker 7 (01:26:28):
Well, the thing is, Charlie.

Speaker 17 (01:26:29):
As you may have noticed that some of you may
have seen some of my other debates. Every single time
I come up here to debate issues and they come
up here to debate me and my character.

Speaker 7 (01:26:38):
It's all they have.

Speaker 17 (01:26:39):
Every single time because they can't, because they can't actually
take on any of the arguments. And so the most pathetic,
low hanging fruit of you guys like Trump. This guy
said bad things about Trump. Listen, guys, I'm a free American.
I supported Donald Trump in this last election. Yes, he
did just actively cover up a giant child rapist ring,

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and I'm gonna criticize him for that, Okay, And I'm
sorry after all these years of US right wingers saying
protect the children, come on, that's bad for your soul
if you don't you speak up about that.

Speaker 7 (01:27:11):
It's horrible what he's doing. And you know, as far as.

Speaker 17 (01:27:14):
The actual substance of what Josh said here, which there
really wasn't much, but I already pointed this out the
last time we debated. His topic about how Sharon was
against the war in Iraq is total nonsense. Sharon's envoy
initially opposed it when he found out that Bush was
going to invade Iraq, not because he didn't want Saddam
Hussein to be overthrown, but because he wanted regime change

(01:27:34):
in Iran first.

Speaker 7 (01:27:36):
And then when the George W.

Speaker 17 (01:27:37):
Bush administration assured him that Iran would come next, they
got on board with it. And they started pumping out
all types of propaganda about how Saddam Hussein's nuclear secret.

Speaker 7 (01:27:47):
Sites that didn't exist.

Speaker 17 (01:27:48):
And Benjamin Netan, yahoo the longest serving prime minister in
Israeli history that year in two thousand and two, came
to Congress and testified under you know, a regal testimony
that anyone can go watch and advocate it not that
the US let Israel do it, but that the US
overthrows Saddam Hussein. I believe his words were, I guarantee

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that peace will spread through the region. And he also
advocated that we overthrow Momar Kadafi and the Mulla isn't around.
So that's just you're just wrong about it. That's not true.
And yes, have I been critical of Donald Trump when
I think he gets things wrong. Yeah, I mean I
think that's what we should do. This is America. You
criticize the government when they get things wrong, and.

Speaker 13 (01:28:34):
So I war criminals. I gotta keep the peace here.

Speaker 27 (01:28:39):
Dave thought a minute ish, Okay, No, I'm taking a
right time. I'm just look as far as far as
twelve day war thing.

Speaker 17 (01:28:47):
Yeah, sure, as far as the twelve day war goes,
I mean, look, I'll be honest, Donald Trump, it might
be the greatest thing he's ever done in his life
that at the end of the twelve Day War, he
after the Iranian response was as weak as it and
they gave us advanced warning, so there were no American casualties.
He started pushing for a ceasefire, and that was great
that he did that. But the point is that the

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war never needed to be launched to begin with. Iran
did not have nuclear weapons. Iran, according to all of
the according to all of the intelligence, including our Director
of National Intelligence, until a day after Israel bombed them
and she changed her mind. Go read the annual threat
assessment from earlier this year. Iran had not made the

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political decision to acquire a nuclear weapon, and they were
in negotiations with Donald Trump at the time to bring
their enrichment down.

Speaker 7 (01:29:37):
God, there was just no need other.

Speaker 17 (01:29:38):
Than the fact that Benjamin Netanyaw, who wants that regime over.

Speaker 13 (01:29:42):
Gosh feel fe to respond.

Speaker 28 (01:29:43):
Yeah, I'd be curious if Dave Smith also believes in
the tooth fairy a and pink unicorns. I mean, what
lie does Dave Smith not believe? Frankly, look, the recent
twelve day War is literally the encapsulation of the Trump
doctrine of foreign policy. Donald Trump ran against neo conservatism.
He is not a neo conservative. That's good because neo

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conservatism is actually really, really bad. I actually have a
whole chapter in my book, Israel and Civilization talking about
how bad neo conservatism is is chapter seven. If you
haven't read, you should go ahead and pick up a copy.
So it's really good that Donald Trump opposes moralistic nation
building boondoggles.

Speaker 14 (01:30:19):
Guess what.

Speaker 28 (01:30:19):
Donald Trump is also not and never has been since
day one. He's never been a hardcore isolationist. He is
a foreign policy nationalist and realist. We would say that
he is a Jacksonian. He is in the mold of
Andrew Jackson, one of his favorite presidents of all time,
because he believes in generally following the very wise advice
of George Washington in his farewell address that you should

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be aware of foreign entanglements, but when you are attacked,
you are going to punch back three times as hard.
How many times has Trump said that in a debate there,
when he's punched, he's going to punch back really, really,
really hard. What happened in the Twelve Day War was
you had a close ally Israel that through their wonderful
control of this guy, and they're taking out the missile
launchers and the IRGC command. They're essentially paved a very

(01:31:05):
clean runway through that and they're neutralizing has Bola last
year in twenty twenty four. That then allowed the United
States to come in with the B two bombers and
the death blow. It was a perfect alleyu for you
basketball fans, it was kind of like Kobe Bryant tossing
it to Shaquille O'Neil back in the way. It was
a perfect tag team operation to neutralize and set back
by many years the threat of a regime that, whether

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or not we care to admit it, has actually been
at war with the United States at least since the
nineteen eighty three b Root Lebanon has Balla Barracks bombings
that slaughtered two hundred and forty one marines, arguably since
the nineteen seventy nine hostage crisis as well. Again, Donald
trum fulfilled multiple campaign promises he set back the nuclear program.
Not a single American soldier, sailor, or marine dot. It

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was a brilliant, brilliant move of statesmanship, a fantastical move. Frankly,
it's a borderline Mount Rushmore worthy accomplishmen would say.

Speaker 13 (01:31:54):
So, here's what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 27 (01:31:55):
I'm gonna insert myself because I don't want to have
to talk past each other, because these conversations have a
tendency to do that. So I'm gonna try to I'm
gonna ask both of you a critical question that both
of you guys already launched. Josh to you first, Dave's contention,
and Dave, you can correct me ifver wrong is that
the nuclear program was not a threat, correct that it
was a intel push. Would you even say that what

(01:32:16):
I'm strong manning your argument steel manning it, Josh, what
do you have to say to that, to the veracity
of the claim that there was an imminent threat of
Iran getting a nuclear bump that is a core point
of Dave's argument than Dave, I'm gonna throw back an
equally difficult question for you, Josh.

Speaker 28 (01:32:31):
So I profess agnosticism as to the imminage nature of
Charlie because I have not seen the reports, neither of
you nowther as Dave. Literally no one this room has
actually seen the report. So I do not know literally
what the exactly imminent nature of the threat was. It
would be impossible for me to say, I'm not going
to bullshit you and pretend like I know, because I
simply don't know. What I can say is the following.
Iran has transparently and obviously been trying to acquire a

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nuclear weapon for two and a half three decades. We
know this for approximately one to two million different reasons.
Among them that we can point to is that the IAEA,
the International Atomic Energy Administration, which is essentially the nuclear
watchdog for the United Nations. They have been sounding the
alarm about this, and they have said very loudly and
clearly that Iran has blocked their inspectors from going to

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inspect their enriched uranium, and that they have concluded over
the over recent years, especially including recent months, that Iran
is enriching uranium at a much quicker rate into a
much higher percentage and rate of enrichment than any civilian
program would ever justify. By the way, the notion that
Iran even needs a civilian program in the first place,
I think is kind of bonkers. Is one of the
most petroleum, oil and gas rich countries in the world,

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so that's kind of a bit of a red herring
in and of itself. But we know from a million
different international organizations that they have been doing this, And
Charlie more to the point again, you know, Dave likes
to say, oh, they just chant death to America, which
they do, they literally chanted every single day in their
Potempkin Parliament, but they actually do act on it. They
killed hundreds and hundreds of American soldiers on the roadside
of Fallujah, all Onmbar Province during Iraq with Kasai Sulivani's

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applied IEDs. They have killed Americans going back to the
two hundred forty one Marines in Bairut Lebanon. By the way,
the Hasbology hottists who organized that operation to slaughter those
Marines in Bairut Lebanon in nineteen eighty three was manned
by the name of Fuad Shakur. The US State Department
had a five million dollar bounty on his head following

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the nineteen eighty three slaughter of the Marines there in Beirut.
He went alive for forty one years. You know who
killed him? Last year the IDEF Israel took out this
guy that the State Department had a five million dollar
bounty out for forty one years for killing two hundred
and forty one of our boys back in nineteen eighty three.

Speaker 14 (01:34:36):
And Beroute.

Speaker 27 (01:34:36):
So I'm gonna now ask job. I'm a really tough follow.

Speaker 13 (01:34:40):
Up for you.

Speaker 27 (01:34:40):
You do not want Iran to get a nuclear weapon?

Speaker 7 (01:34:43):
Bad?

Speaker 27 (01:34:44):
Would you if it ever took, if it required US
troops on the ground, would that be worth a ron?

Speaker 13 (01:34:49):
Not getting a nuclear weapon?

Speaker 28 (01:34:51):
Charlie, with respect, I reject the premise. I simply do
not think it does.

Speaker 27 (01:34:54):
Actually, I know it's a hypothetical, but it's worth thinking about. Okay, Dave,
I got to ask you tough questions now, Yeah, my.

Speaker 17 (01:35:01):
Guy, I want to respond to some of this stuff
because all of that.

Speaker 27 (01:35:04):
You will, you will hold on. I don't want us
to talk past each other. Else we're gonna spend all
this time on prime ministers in two thousand and two
that the audience doesn't know about it.

Speaker 17 (01:35:13):
But he's making claims about like something that's jering not.

Speaker 27 (01:35:16):
I want you to get to I want to just
ask a very simple question from your perspective, because I
just asked the tough one to Josh, is are you
okay or do you think we should do anything to
prevent a Ron from getting a new clear bond?

Speaker 17 (01:35:29):
I'm anything sure. Yeah, there's lots of things I think
we should do. And military action ever justified. Well, again,
this is a yes, there are times when military action
is justified. But if you're saying what we could do
to prevent around from getting a nuclear weapon, what we
were doing. Donald Trump was in negotiations with them, and
I think he should have continued those and the truth
is that the big problem with the JCPOA that Obama

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got us into was that there were sunset provisions. They
opened up a whole new inspections regime. It is not
true that the IAEA is saying that Iran was about
to get a nuclear weapon. Anybody you want all it's
published online. You can go read the conclusion of their
last report where they explicitly said Iran does not have
nuclear weapons and is not trying.

Speaker 7 (01:36:10):
To develop them.

Speaker 17 (01:36:10):
They are enriching at sixty percent, and they were in
negotiations to maybe bring that down. But you know, when
you bring up when you bring up the fact that
the Marines getting killed in nineteen eighty three, it's actually
an interesting if. Ronald Reagan, who was president at the time,
he wrote about this in his memoir. Now, if you
know what Ronald Reagan did was he pulled out after that,
he turned tail and run, and he said in his

(01:36:31):
memoir he said, I underestimated the irrationality of Middle Eastern
politics and we never should have gotten involved in that. Now,
if you want to say that Iran backed them, okay.
A couple of years after that, Charlie, there was a
scandal in the Reagan administration. It was the something contrast
a RAN contract. That's right, Ronald Reagan was selling weapons

(01:36:52):
to the Iranians a couple of years after this happened.
So to come back now forty plus years later and
use that as the excuse why we got to go
to war with the Ran, I mean, just think about
how crazy this is. And the stuff he said about
the roadside bombs in Iraq is just not true. It's
been debunked. It's more war propaganda that's been debunked. I
highly recommend anyone can read the book enough already. I

(01:37:15):
highly recommend people read the book enough already. It is
the best book that's been written about the Terror wars
by Scott Horton. He has all the footnotes in there,
you can go through it yourself.

Speaker 7 (01:37:25):
It's completely debunked.

Speaker 17 (01:37:27):
Those roadside bombs were built by Sheites in Iraq. Now
I'm not saying now some of them did have relationships
with Iran, but the majority of Iraq is SITE. So yes,
we invaded the next door country and we got into
some fights with the SITE groups there. But to say
that's a reason why we now have to invade Iran
or we have to bomb them or something.

Speaker 27 (01:37:44):
It just doesn't make any sense. I just so one
or two really quick. Chris follows, and then we'll do this.
Both sides need to get under good cross examination. Do
you think it would be bad if a Roan got
a nuclear bomb?

Speaker 7 (01:37:55):
Yes? I think it's bad. I think it's bad, and
that moral.

Speaker 17 (01:38:00):
I don't think anybody should be allowed to have nuclear
weapons secretly?

Speaker 13 (01:38:04):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:38:05):
And so how about that?

Speaker 27 (01:38:06):
I will ask Josh about that, because that's a not
so subtle dig at Israel.

Speaker 17 (01:38:10):
Hell, hold on, are you suggesting that Israel has nuclear we?

Speaker 8 (01:38:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 13 (01:38:13):
Actually it probably did, you do.

Speaker 27 (01:38:15):
I don't know the intelligence. I'm not that of dn I,
but I mean they probably do. But let me ask you, Dave,
now another question. What is your Now, let's just say criticism.
No US troops were killed, it required no use troops
on the ground, there was no war lasted twelve days,
Fourdeaux was pretty eliminated, and even the Iranians say it

(01:38:35):
so looking at it now twelve days later, what is
your problem with what seems to be a masterclass in
twelve days in out, no problem, no US troops and
we've kind of moved on.

Speaker 13 (01:38:47):
What what would your problem with that be.

Speaker 17 (01:38:50):
You know, I think, and I do think, there's something
really sick and poisoning about this is that our country
has become so addicted to war that if we launch
a war and you go, well, hey, it wasn't a
complete catastrophe.

Speaker 7 (01:39:02):
I mean a million people.

Speaker 17 (01:39:04):
Didn't die in this one, like in Iraq, or hundreds
of thousands didn't die in this one like in Afghanistan
or liby Ar Siria. It's like, okay, look, people died
in this war. Okay, there were both Iranian civilians and
Israeli civilians who died in this war. There's a terrible
fit for them in their families. This was a catastrophe.
And my point is that the war never needed to
be launched to begin with. But there's no reason why

(01:39:26):
we even have to be enemies with Iran.

Speaker 7 (01:39:28):
They opposed.

Speaker 17 (01:39:29):
No, this is a third world country in the Middle
East that does not have nuclear weapons, does not have
intercontinental ballistic missiles, does not have an air force capable
of hitting us with anything. This is Israel's problem. We
don't need to be involved in that. Sorry, we got
our own issues here. And look again, I'll give Donald
Trump credit that Okay, it didn't turn into a catastrophe.

(01:39:52):
He took the off ramp when he had the chance.
But look, a lot of that was out of Donald
Trump's control. The risk of this war. Like a lot
of people love to like, Josh likes to read my tweets.
When I was saying this could turn into a catastrophe, because.

Speaker 14 (01:40:04):
You were dead wrong, he looks stupid.

Speaker 13 (01:40:06):
Gosh, Josh say no, no, let's de escalate this same
no actively.

Speaker 17 (01:40:14):
What Josh is saying is the lowest IQ argument that
anyone can make. I'm warning, I was warning that there's
a risk of its catastrophe, and he's saying you're stupid
because there wasn't a catastrophe.

Speaker 7 (01:40:25):
This is on the level of playing Russian Roulette.

Speaker 17 (01:40:27):
And if the bullet doesn't go off, you go, see, dummy,
you were warning that could go bad.

Speaker 7 (01:40:32):
That doesn't prove anything. Listen for all you guys.

Speaker 17 (01:40:36):
If you talking about how big and bad the Iranians
are and what a scary threat they are, what if
they hadn't given us advanced notice? What if a ran
was actually as suicidal as people like Josh pretend they are,
and what if their response had killed a few hundred Americans?
In the region, which by all military assessments, they are
capable of doing.

Speaker 7 (01:40:54):
What would Donald Trump have had to do? Then, Charlie,
was he? What would it you get?

Speaker 13 (01:40:58):
I'm asking I'm a moderate?

Speaker 17 (01:41:00):
No, no, no, okay, sorry, Like come on, Dave, it
was a rhetorical cut, I.

Speaker 13 (01:41:03):
Know, but both sides are getting tough questions.

Speaker 17 (01:41:06):
Is Donald Trump would have had to respond even harder
and then we're gonna happen.

Speaker 27 (01:41:12):
Let's let's give Josh a chance to respond.

Speaker 13 (01:41:14):
But first it didn't happen.

Speaker 27 (01:41:16):
It's a counter you hadn't had when when when people
talk over each other, they don't like listening to that.
So that's why I'm here, Josh. I want you to
respond to that. But to Dave's point, do you think
Israel has a secret nuclear program?

Speaker 13 (01:41:30):
And is that a problem?

Speaker 8 (01:41:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 28 (01:41:31):
I think it's not particularly disputed that Israel has a
nuclear program. We know exactly where it is based. This
is this is not a particularly hidden thing there. I mean,
it's so well known, in fact, Charlie, that I don't
know exactly why it's officially a secret. Unofficially it's not
much of a secret. I'm non ISRAELI I have no
idea why the exact policy is the way it is.
I don't particularly have a program with it. As I said,

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is one of the world's worst kept secrets.

Speaker 14 (01:41:53):
It kind of just just is what it is.

Speaker 28 (01:41:55):
But more generally speaking, I do understand while we're going
so far down this rabbit hole, would have, could have,
should have the people. Look, let's say something very simple here.
The people who said that Donald Trump's involvement in the
thirty seven hour operation of the B two bombers flying
from Missouri to Iran and back with not a single
shot fired at our boys. By the way, as I said,

(01:42:16):
that was partially due to the fact that the IDF
had so neutralized the Iranian Air Force and their defenses there,
So the fact that he was able to accomplish that
so amazingly there. We should have seen that coming because
it was actually pretty easily foreseeable. And the people who
did not see that coming are the people who have
lost credibility to comment frankly on these affairs. People who
warned about thousands and thousand, thousands of dead American lives

(01:42:39):
and said that China and Russia would swoop in and
that this would be World War three, Well, you know what,
God blessed you all because you apparently survived World War three.
It was the shortest World War three of all of
our lifetime. And Dave I restrained, Josh, Josh, keep going again.
This is the Donald Trump foreign policy doctrine inaction. It
is quick surgical strikes Rogerstone was talking about earlier. It's

(01:43:01):
exactly right. He is not a neocon. Neo conservatism, bad isolationism,
also nai even stupid.

Speaker 14 (01:43:07):
Donald Trump agrees to both those things.

Speaker 28 (01:43:09):
The nationalist realist MAGA america first approach to foreign policy
is to have strong nationalist allies that are generally capable
of securing and patrolling their own regions in a way,
there were downs not merely to the allies national interest,
but also to the American national interest.

Speaker 14 (01:43:25):
That is exactly what Israel has been.

Speaker 28 (01:43:27):
Doing for forty fifty years, as they have taken out
Islamist and Shuria supremacist thugs in Gaza, in Yemen. Hasballah
I mentioned Fua chakor the Hasbiologihati who killed two undred
forty one Marines in Beirut Lebanon nineteen eighty three. There's
a million examples there. That is the definition of an
America first ally, and what has happened in the Twelve
Day War is an encapsulation of the America first Trump
doctrine that in this case, this tag team between the

(01:43:49):
US and Israel against the mutual threveron inaction.

Speaker 27 (01:43:52):
Okay, So I want to now move because it's important,
but it's connected. So I think we have on full
display a difference of opinion on the twelve Day War.

Speaker 13 (01:43:59):
Now let's go to the one.

Speaker 27 (01:44:00):
It's inferred in both of these points, but you only
get to answered as yes and no one of the time.

Speaker 28 (01:44:04):
Is Israel an ally of the United States? Yes, of
course no.

Speaker 13 (01:44:08):
Okay, So now we have disagreement.

Speaker 27 (01:44:09):
We're gonna now figure that out, and then I want
to then indicate it in that is is Israel influencing
American politics? So I'm gonna start with Josh, and then
we'll go back to Dave. You say Israel is an ally,
spend a minute on that, and then address how some
people have concerns that Israel is influenced in the US government,
and then I'll allow Dave to have some time. Josh,

(01:44:31):
all right, there's multiple reasons why Israel is an ally
First and foremost, you know, I think most people in
this room are believers of some stripe, right, I am Jewish,
most of you are are probably Christians, and God bless
you for that. If you have any attachment whatsoever to
the Holy Size, if you have any attachment whatsoever to
this narrow strip of land between the river and the sea,

(01:44:52):
as the Hamas propagandists call it, then you're going to
have some reason to care about this particular sliver of land.
That's point number one. Just kind of get out there,
especially if you understand that we and Western civilization are
fundamentally at war with barbarism, Barbarism being best represented by
the Islamists and Sharia supremacist. When you understand the Western

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civilization really just is the Bible, there is a special
calling to have an ally with a certain part of
the Middle East.

Speaker 14 (01:45:19):
That's point one.

Speaker 28 (01:45:20):
Point two is just the islmist deterrent point, Charlie, which
is that America has faced jihadism time and time again,
going back for forty to fifty years, nine to eleven. Obviously,
the most tragic example we just saw it again on
the streets of Bourbon Street in New Orleans on January first,
just a few months ago. There If you care about
deterring Islamism from conquering Western civilization, a point that you
have very astutely been talking about a lot recently on

(01:45:41):
your TV hits on social media, A very very important point.
If you care about defending Western civilization from the barbarians,
you absolutely have to place a special premium on this
particular relationship. And then third is that if you actually care,
as I do. You know, paradoxically, I actually care a
lot about China. In fact, I think that America because
by far number one biggest threat this century is China.

(01:46:03):
If you care about effectuating this broader pivot to the
Indo Pacific, as American Forum positive people been talking about
for twenty thirty years now, you have to have some
way of stabilizing the Middle East. The way to do
that is not to just adopt the stupid and acidine
Barack Obama foreign policy of appeasing America's enemies. And the
way to do that is to embold in your allies. Again,

(01:46:25):
that is the Trump doctrine.

Speaker 27 (01:46:26):
So we didn't get to the second part of the question.
So do you want to start on the ally and
then we'll do Yeah, you can incorporate both, Dave he
had two answers in a row, so take three to
four minutes.

Speaker 17 (01:46:34):
Well, look, this idea that the great battle of our
time is US verst the Islamists, US versus these barbarians.
You know, that's really the problem here in the United
States of America, Lebanon, That's what you gotta worry about.

Speaker 7 (01:46:48):
Listen.

Speaker 17 (01:46:48):
I think everyone here, all you guys should know this
at this point. Our problem in America is the deep
State of the United States of America.

Speaker 7 (01:46:57):
Okay, they are the ones.

Speaker 17 (01:46:59):
They are the ones who framed Donald Trump for treason,
his own intelligence agencies frame the sitting US president. And
you know what that deep state wants, by the way,
permanent war. That's what they always want. That's how they
and their friends make their money. And so all of
this talk is just so ridiculous, man, I mean this
talk about how like, if you care about the Holy

(01:47:20):
sites in Israel, Like, okay, sure, obviously Christians and Jews
and Muslims have a connection to that land, but that
doesn't mean we have to bomb Iran for Israel. That
doesn't well we just bombed aroand that was the first topic. Okay, okay, anyway,

(01:47:41):
there doesn't mean that we have to support Israel slaughtering
people in Gaza. None of that has anything to do
with the Holy sites, and in fact, a lot of
sites get destroyed when there's bombs flying. But listen, the
real problem for America. If you want to even talk
about like the Islam, Islam taking over America or take
over Europe, well, how.

Speaker 7 (01:48:01):
Did that happen?

Speaker 17 (01:48:02):
That happened because we completely destabilized the region, fighting war
after war after war that did nothing but slaughter hundreds
of thousands of people. And then our Western governments had
the most insane open immigration policy that was basically suicidal.

Speaker 7 (01:48:18):
We're doing this to ourselves.

Speaker 17 (01:48:20):
We're thirty seven trillion dollars in debt and we're looking
for another.

Speaker 7 (01:48:24):
Enemy to go fight.

Speaker 17 (01:48:25):
Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, we've spent twenty
trillion dollars on empire and wars. And you know what,
we can't tax enough money to pay for it. We
can't borrow enough money to pay for it. So what
do we do. We print the money. And now you
guys are coming out into the world and you're wondering

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why you're six figures in.

Speaker 7 (01:48:47):
Debt from college and you're getting.

Speaker 17 (01:48:50):
A job at door dash and the average house goes
for eight hundred grand because we've destroyed the currency, chasing
these monsters that were never any threat to our country.
So one quick point and Youtolf Hitler and the Nazis
couldn't bring down America. Joseph Stalin and the Kamis couldn't
bring down America. The British Empire couldn't bring down America.

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But you think the Hesbelah and Lebanon are a threat
to us? They're a problem for Israel to deal with.

Speaker 28 (01:49:18):
We are that the Babirut barretts bombing in nineteen eighty three.
Seriously say that to them. Have you spoken to the
families are the people who have been killed in nineteen
eighty three and Babirut Lebanon the people who have been
killed by those IEDs and a rot that you're just
casually's missing. Have you actually spoken to any these families?
First of all, yes, I have nine eleven families, any
of them?

Speaker 7 (01:49:38):
Yes I have?

Speaker 14 (01:49:39):
Are you aware?

Speaker 7 (01:49:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:49:42):
OK, so you're just asking me questions.

Speaker 7 (01:49:44):
That's stupid.

Speaker 13 (01:49:45):
This is why I'm here.

Speaker 27 (01:49:49):
So why don't we both just take a deep breath.
Because they want to see a debate where they can
make their mind up. They don't want to see interruptive stuff. Okay,
that's why this is going to be a different type
of discussion. So let me both steel Man, you're both arguments.
You have to answer to me. Okay, So Josh, Well,

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actually to Dave first and then to Josh, Josh is saying,
what about all of the Islamist death that they're responsible for,
be root bombings, You mentioned the shie. That's basically the
essence of your argument, right, Josh by saying did you
talk to he's saying, why are you minimizing this?

Speaker 13 (01:50:29):
That would be Josh's contention. Is that fair, Josh?

Speaker 14 (01:50:31):
And nine to eleven is right?

Speaker 27 (01:50:33):
Dave responded that, and then I will throw it back
to Josh.

Speaker 17 (01:50:36):
Well, I certainly don't think I in any way minimized
any of those deaths. I've made the point that around
that Ronald Reagan still sold weapons to a Ran a
couple of years after that, and I made the point
that those roadside weapons were built in Iraq by sites
they are. That's not minimizing it. This is a huge
part of the reason why we never should have invaded
Iraq to begin with, because we get our bravest young
boys killed.

Speaker 7 (01:50:57):
It's ten you know, tens of foul of them have
have committed.

Speaker 17 (01:51:01):
Suicide in the last few years, and that doesn't seem
to stop anyone from wanting to pursue the next attack.
So the point is right that I think if we
want to really understand this stuff, it's it's wise to
look at what some of the motivating factors for the
for the hatred against us.

Speaker 7 (01:51:18):
Is. All you got to do is listen.

Speaker 17 (01:51:20):
Yes, I have talked actually to families of people who.

Speaker 7 (01:51:22):
Have died in Iraq.

Speaker 17 (01:51:24):
You know what, Overwhelmingly they're non interventionists, anti war people.

Speaker 7 (01:51:28):
Now, in fact, did.

Speaker 17 (01:51:29):
You know that in two thousand and eight and in
twenty twelve, doctor Ron Paul got more money from active
duty military than all the other candidates combined, including Barack Obama,
because the active duty military are actually the ones who
are the most hardcore.

Speaker 7 (01:51:44):
Now I wore now, don't don't invoke them. Let's try
to sell another.

Speaker 27 (01:51:49):
But but Dave, I'm going to follow up with a
tough quote. I want I want you to make the
case because I don't I don't want to have you
be able to get past this. You say, Israel is
not an ally that that is not an opinion that
people hear a lot.

Speaker 13 (01:52:03):
Why is that.

Speaker 17 (01:52:04):
Look all I'm saying is Israel has at every turn.
And look again, when I say Israel, I'm talking about
the government of Israel. I'm not talking about the people
they are. And I'm specifically talking about Benjamin Nettan Yahoo
and the Lacud party, who have been in control for
most of this time, for most of my lifetime, yeah,
and right most of the twenty first century. And so

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when I say they have been constantly pushing America toward
more aggressive policies, toward getting in more fights. And just
like I always say, if you went out to the
bar every single night with your friend, and every night
your friend's trying to convince you to get into a fight,
and while you're beating a lot of people up, you're
also taking a lot of wounds, and you're going to

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jail and you're getting in trouble. You got to stop
hanging out with that friend. And so I think that
I my position, don't I don't believe in in wars
of aggression and wars of choice. I don't believe in sanctions.
We don't believe that we should be friends with Israel.
We should trade with Israel and have a good relationship
with them.

Speaker 7 (01:53:04):
But you know what, I also.

Speaker 17 (01:53:06):
Don't believe in welfare, and they shouldn't get another dime
of US taxpayer money. And they should not so belield
on their lobby. Their lobby should register as.

Speaker 13 (01:53:16):
A false That's a good segue, finished, And.

Speaker 7 (01:53:17):
They should stop blackmailing our politics.

Speaker 13 (01:53:19):
Got it? So back to Josh. Back to Josh.

Speaker 27 (01:53:24):
Dave had some uninterrupted time there. Let's now address that
because you know, again there's a text chain. I have
all the text to prove it. Everyone knew where this
debate was going, right, Dave. There's been no surprises, Josh.
You knew that there are some concerns, and Dave mentioned
it such as you I think you're saying a pack
Is that correct?

Speaker 7 (01:53:40):
Well, the broader Israel lobby, but that's certainly part of it.

Speaker 27 (01:53:42):
Can you address this, Josh, because this is a question
people are confused about. Take take two to three minutes
on this and then build out the ally Israel at
the end of it. But Josh, Dave is making a point,
I'd like you to respond.

Speaker 28 (01:53:56):
Okay, So, first of all, I'm not a fan of
a pack have I donated one stay pack fifty four
dollars like a decade ago, and I basically got swindled
into doing it, So I'm not a fan of a pack.
But APAK is not this nefarious boogeyman that Dave spent
Peple make it out to be. It stands for America
Israel Political Action Committee. It is a group of Americans

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who place a premium on the US Israel relationship, the
same way that the NRA is a group of Americans
who plays a premium on the Second Amendment.

Speaker 14 (01:54:24):
I do too.

Speaker 28 (01:54:25):
I'm a concealed carry kind of guy myself, same way
that there are any number of other lobby groups that
support any number of other things. By the way, there's
also similar groups similar to a PAC, for American citizens
to support US relations with other foreign countries. Funny how
these other groups never get brought.

Speaker 14 (01:54:39):
Up in this debate.

Speaker 28 (01:54:40):
For instance, anyone who's been to Glendale, California, you probably
heard folks in ANKA. That's the Armenia National Committee of America,
a very loud, active group in Washington, d C. Perhaps
more nefariously, there is the NIAC, the National Iranian American Council.
It's funny call in these debates when you talk about
various American citizens who get involved to lobby or or
to express their political opinion, as the First Woman gives

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you the right to do, because they think that the
US national interest is served by allying with a certain country.
It's funny and perhaps a little worse than funny. How
the whole register as a foreign agent talking point comes
up only in one context, in one context only, which
is a PAC. Look the notion, Charlie, that APAC, which
again I'm not a fan of. I have literally I'm

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not a fan of a pack. Why are you not
a fan of you?

Speaker 14 (01:55:25):
Yeah, I'm not a fan of a pack.

Speaker 28 (01:55:26):
For the reason that I'm just about to give actually,
which is that a a pack exists, their raison to etra,
Their entire purpose for existing is to secure large scale
annual appropriations, currently about three point eight billion dollars annually.

Speaker 14 (01:55:39):
In US aid to Israel.

Speaker 28 (01:55:40):
I'm not a big I'm not a particularly big fan
of foreign aid in general, and I've been arguing for
literally a decade that the US should wind down foreign
aid to Israel in particular. I think it actually is
a bad idea for both countries.

Speaker 13 (01:55:52):
Do we have agreement on that.

Speaker 7 (01:55:54):
Yeah, if you want to wind it down to zero tomorrow,
we have agreement on that at tomorrow. Yes, i'd support.

Speaker 13 (01:56:00):
Well, so we have an agreement on an end point.

Speaker 28 (01:56:02):
Yes, sure, Okay, keep going, job, Yeah, so you obviously.

Speaker 7 (01:56:06):
Yeah, are you guys a good people? They just cheered
for agreement.

Speaker 13 (01:56:09):
I like to say, that's the point. We're not here
just the hurl insults. Yeah, you could do that online.

Speaker 27 (01:56:14):
This is here to actually have some sort of we're
a nation, these are our fellow citizens.

Speaker 13 (01:56:19):
We got to figure this stuff out. Josh, keep going.

Speaker 7 (01:56:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 28 (01:56:21):
So you obviously can't do it tomorrow because that would
be to betray an ally in the middle of a
hot war. That would send a terrible signal to other allies, Saudi's, mriaties,
you name it. So you can't do it tomorrow. But
I do agree that you should have a game plan five, ten,
twenty years, whatever it is.

Speaker 14 (01:56:34):
I don't really care.

Speaker 28 (01:56:34):
Honestly, get a game plan in place to phase out
this AID. It's not good for the United States, it's
crony capitalism, Eisenhower Defense Industrial complex, bowing north of Grumman.
All of that is totally true. And then from Israel's perpective,
it's also bad for them too, because it makes them
overly reliant. It actually ends up undermining the entire notion
of Zionism. The notion of the Jews should control their
own right to their own existence and their own homeland

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undermines Zionism in the long run self. So it's actually
bad for both countries. But Charlie, this notion that APAK
is this big powerful lobby can be dispelled with literally
one anecdote. And I only need one anecdote to dispel
this off repeeda notion, which is the entire twenty fourteen
to twenty fifteen Barack Obama are on nuclear debates. The
fact that the jcpoa Barack Obama's Joint Comprehensive Plan of

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Action nucledeal pass is literally the singular data point that
disproves the entire alleged existence of the nefarious Israel lobby
that controls all politicians there. They failed epically to get
that pass. But I do have a question, Charlie for
a Dave there, which is I will translate it, okay, Well, Charlie,
I would be very very curious based on Dave's recent

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tweets about Donald Trump doing xyz things, whether it's covering
up for a pedophile Rann or engaging in foreign wars
all on behest of a foreign power. Does Dave actually
think that Donald Trump, Jdvans, the entire Trump minstration are
literally bought off by the Jews?

Speaker 14 (01:57:53):
Is that actually your honestans?

Speaker 13 (01:57:55):
Okay, so what Josh is asking.

Speaker 17 (01:57:56):
Well, yeah, well it's always look all of this, I mean,
but I'm sorry, but just like everything you just said,
like all of it, I just find to be like
the cheapest debate tactics. First off, I never said anyone's
bought off by the Jews. We're both Jewish, and that's
a dirty little trick you play when I'm talking Jewish guy,

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I'm talking about a foreign Yeah, I'm talking about a
foreign government. And then you kind of imply and no, again,
this is all just straw man. It's this whole thing
of like Dave saying, APAK is this big, bad monster
that controls everything.

Speaker 7 (01:58:33):
Therefore, if I have one data point.

Speaker 17 (01:58:35):
Of where a policy that APAC didn't want gets through,
that disproves the whole narrative. And then this distraction with
talking about the Armenian lobby or it's like, yeah, well,
if we were having a discussion about that, maybe that
would come up. But we're talking about this. And to
compare APAK to the NRA, who, by the way, are
kind of sellouts and don't go nearly far enough.

Speaker 7 (01:58:55):
But like, I'm a hardcore gun rights guy.

Speaker 8 (01:58:59):
Got more a green.

Speaker 13 (01:59:00):
We love our guns, don't we? Everybody?

Speaker 17 (01:59:01):
Right, Yeah, now you know the NRA guys who always
go the key is to enforce existing gun laws. No,
the key is to repeal every last one of the
existing God there.

Speaker 7 (01:59:14):
Should be one law, one law, the Second Amendment. That's
the law.

Speaker 17 (01:59:18):
Okay, but all that, No, it is totally different to
have a group of Americans advocating on it for a
constitutionally protected natural right for American citizens than to have
a group of Americans advocating for a foreign government in
conjunction with that foreign government.

Speaker 7 (01:59:35):
That's a different thing. And to even let.

Speaker 17 (01:59:37):
Me finish, Josh, and to even compare them is ridiculous.
And listen, by the way, I'll just say this, every
single person in this room, you have to hate APAC.

Speaker 7 (01:59:46):
You don't even have a choice. You're here at turning
Point USA.

Speaker 17 (01:59:49):
A pack contributes millions of dollars to woke progressive Democrats
if they support Israel. In other words, it's okay to
destroy our country as long as that helps Israel. So
I'm sorry, I don't know. Turning point USA real, this
is my first time here. Quick question, are we allowed
to support groups that contribute millions of dollars to woke

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progressive Democrats?

Speaker 7 (02:00:11):
Because I thought the answer was.

Speaker 27 (02:00:13):
No, So Josh, and then, Dave, I'm gonna have a
tough followup for you. So take a drink of water. Josh,
what would you say to that?

Speaker 13 (02:00:20):
Because look, I wouldn't.

Speaker 27 (02:00:23):
Some people would would ask the question, Okay, does APAC
have more power than like your traditional like Armenian lobby,
and more broadly, let's just take it more broadly, like
is there any concern that or how would you address
the concern? Let me put it this way, how would
you address the concern that some people have that a

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foreign government tends to have an outsized amount of platform
in the US government? Charlie, I think that there are tens,
if not hundreds of millions of Americans who care a
lot about US relations with the State of Israel for
understandable reasons.

Speaker 14 (02:01:03):
This literally goes back by the way.

Speaker 28 (02:01:04):
Those of you who are familiar with American history, this
literally goes back to the American Founding. The American founders
were extremely, extremely eloquent and outspoken about this, from George
Washington to John Adams to Hamilton to Abraham Lincoln's famous
February eighteen sixty one speech referring to Americans as an
almost chosen people. They quoted the Hebrew Bible over and
over and over again. They understood that the Christianity upon

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which America is predicated is not exclusively but has a
lot of Old Testament Hebrew Bible emphasis therein, and that's
been part of our constitution, part of our legal code,
part of our moral code.

Speaker 14 (02:01:39):
Since day one.

Speaker 28 (02:01:40):
So it is completely reasonable for people in the year
twenty twenty five to look at that, to look at
all the other things we talked about when it comes
to deterring Islamism Andstryia supremacism, when it comes to trying
to achieve this Abraham Accord style nationalist realist foreign policy,
when it comes to deterring the Iranian regime and their
various propheies. It's a very very under standbal for American citizens, again, Americans,

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to look at that and to conclude that we have
important reasons for aline with Israel. They are not doing
so on behalf of a foreign government. This framing is absurd.
It's utterly absurd. They are doing so because they are
patriotic Americans and they feel it is their subjective sense
that as patriotic Americans that this alliance is Furthered.

Speaker 27 (02:02:21):
And they are US passport holders. Some people think that
they're strictly foreign nationals.

Speaker 8 (02:02:25):
Is that correct?

Speaker 28 (02:02:26):
Yes, and that's just simply just not true. Now again,
I say that, by the way, someone who's been very
critical of APACT, But it's just simply not true.

Speaker 27 (02:02:32):
We're using that as a filler term. So now, Dave,
for you two quick ones. Do you think that the
Council for American Islamic Relations should register as a foreign agent.

Speaker 17 (02:02:41):
Yeah, I don't think there should be any, like any
groups advocating on.

Speaker 5 (02:02:44):
Behalf of farm.

Speaker 27 (02:02:47):
Secondly, though, and Josh did not say this, but he
laced it in through.

Speaker 13 (02:02:52):
One of the salvos.

Speaker 27 (02:02:52):
That was he said, you know, Dave, you're accusing them
of being bought by the Jews. Now, Dave, there is
a rise of I just think some disgusting stuff online
I'm not blaming you for this. I'm not one of
those people, right, But what do you have to say
that there's this like dark jew hate out there and
you see it and I see I hate it.

Speaker 13 (02:03:11):
It's not good.

Speaker 27 (02:03:12):
Yeah, and everyone in this audience, guys, don't get yourself
involved in that. I'm telling you, well, rot your brain.
It's bad for your soul. It's bad, it's evil. I
think it's demonic. And so Dave, though, how do you
navigate being critical of a foreign government while also, like
some people say, well, your fans hate you, You're not
responsible your fans.

Speaker 13 (02:03:33):
That is dumb, That is terrible. I don't believe that.

Speaker 27 (02:03:35):
At the same time, though, Dave, you have a big
responsibility on your shoulders, right, because you're saying something that
is heterodox, not in popular opinion, that some people are
trying to use to push a much more sinister agenda.

Speaker 7 (02:03:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (02:03:47):
Well, I think there's a lot of truth to that,
and I think that the fact is that the policy
is that America, the US government is pursuing, are almost
guaranteed to create this. And look, I think there's a
lot of factors here. I don't have nearly enough time
to kind of give all of my thoughts on this,
but I think as you as you young people know, right,

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even though kind of over the last year with Trump's victory,
like wokeism has been receding, at least to some degree,
it really can't be overstated how much every institution in
American life bought into racialism over.

Speaker 7 (02:04:25):
The last fifteen years.

Speaker 17 (02:04:26):
And it's like these young kids came up in an
environment where that was just considered normal, Like you judge
people by their race and make racialist arguments, and yes,
now that has also been embraced by some people on
the right. I will say that I think what I
think the best thing to always do in these situations
is tell the truth, try to be a good person,

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try to deliver your message in the most compelling way,
and let the chips fall where they may. But I
do think that the level of Israeli control over our
politics is frankly pretty undeniable, as much as people try
to look. Just think one example, right of this, so
Donald Trump. You remember at the end of the Twelve
Day War, when Donald Trump starts pushing for a ceasefire,

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and then what does Israel do? They come in and
start bombing regime targets, not nuclear sites.

Speaker 7 (02:05:15):
They come in and start buy.

Speaker 17 (02:05:16):
And then Donald Trump was furious with Netanyah who obviously
he had his most angry moment toward Netanyah who when
he said, they both don't know what the f they're doing.

Speaker 13 (02:05:24):
I kind of love that moment. Yeah, I love.

Speaker 7 (02:05:28):
That moment too.

Speaker 17 (02:05:30):
But then the next day he's right back to just
advocating that they drop the charges against Netanyah, who He's
still going to continue funding Netanyah, who unconditionally, did you
know anyone else Donald Trump would have come up with
a nickname for him already and just been smashing them
all over the place. He was trying to lureer America
into a war that Donald Trump didn't want to get into.

Speaker 28 (02:05:50):
But then you said, still get to it, because he
literally chose to get involved. Like that was Donald Trump's decision, right,
but decision had a backup, right.

Speaker 17 (02:05:57):
But it was also his decision to push for a
ceasefire and to try to the thing.

Speaker 28 (02:06:00):
And Israel agreed immediately.

Speaker 7 (02:06:01):
No, no, they bombed the crap out of him immediately.

Speaker 28 (02:06:04):
That's what Trump was same a question, I want to
phase out USA.

Speaker 14 (02:06:07):
It's Israel, Okay.

Speaker 28 (02:06:08):
I established that allegedly primary nation. Yah who is now
getting on board with that as well, certainly a lot
of people in his coalition.

Speaker 7 (02:06:14):
To I'll believe that When I say that.

Speaker 28 (02:06:16):
Well, he's basically said that, so you should believe it.

Speaker 27 (02:06:18):
But what the politicians saying, Josh, you should believe Josh
finish his question.

Speaker 28 (02:06:23):
If the if the Israeli governments were to agree that
is the best policy, and if the United States were
to do that, then what in God's name is your
actual problem?

Speaker 17 (02:06:33):
Well, I'm sorry, So if America was not propping up
Israel and America was not.

Speaker 28 (02:06:37):
Wind down the foreign aid, then what is your issue?

Speaker 17 (02:06:39):
Well, there's other military intervention obviously, so I'm not sure
I follow. I'd be very happy to wind down the
foreign aid, but other than that, what is my Listen?

Speaker 7 (02:06:48):
I'm a non interventionist, so I'm not saying America.

Speaker 17 (02:06:50):
Should get involved, but no, I mean, I do think objectively,
what Israel's doing to Gaza is horrible. I think, and
I want to talk about God, I couldn't do it
without us. Make that case they were, I would still
be Again, we have.

Speaker 27 (02:07:00):
To go fast because people have flights and stuff. But
I want to get to this right, and we still
haven't gotten to the final conclusion.

Speaker 13 (02:07:05):
So let's talk Gaza.

Speaker 27 (02:07:07):
Because first I want to go Josh on October seventh,
because I want you to remind people what happened on
October seventh. And Dave, I'll be honest, I think your
portion of the debate, your portion of your your community
could do a better job of remembering the horror on
October seven. I'm just gonna be honest. That's my I'm
not putting that on you. I'm saying just your community.
I want you, but I'm gonna have that's just me.
I want you just to think because I think we
kind of forget because there was something unique and terrible. Josh,

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want me to talk about that, And then I want
you to make the best case you can because every
human beings made in the image of God.

Speaker 28 (02:07:34):
I don't like seeing dead kids anywhere. I don't like
seeing dead kids in Gaza.

Speaker 14 (02:07:37):
I don't like it.

Speaker 27 (02:07:37):
So we we we're Christians here. So Josh, I want
you to kind of walk us through the series events
because it can't be lost in us. Talk about Gaza,
talk about the horror of October seventh. Then Dave, I
want you to talk about your criticism about Gaza, and
then I'm gonna ask you a follow up, Dave, about
something that happened from the Joe Rogan show.

Speaker 28 (02:07:52):
Josh you first, I'm just curious, has anyone just put
your hand up and make some noise? Have you been
any of you too? Parts of Israel that were slaughtered
by Hamas anyway are a few people, Okay, so I
was also there a few months after it happened. If
you haven't been there, it's very difficult to describe.

Speaker 14 (02:08:11):
What you see.

Speaker 28 (02:08:12):
You see these keyboot see in these small villages. By
the way, these were typically left wingers.

Speaker 14 (02:08:17):
These are peace necks.

Speaker 28 (02:08:18):
That were establishing their villages on the border to try
to engage in pen pal diplomacy, if you will, with
the Arabs of Gaza. These are very kind of left
wing pieacenic people. And you see just kitchen wear throughout
the streets, teddy bears everywhere, blood stained walls, bullet holes
as far.

Speaker 14 (02:08:36):
As the eye can see. It's very difficult to describe.

Speaker 28 (02:08:40):
The only time that I had that similar feeling walking
around places like Kafaraza was when I was in Trablinka,
the Nazi concentration clan camp itself. So look in total,
and there's a brand new report talking about the extent
of the mass raping and sexual violence that Hamas committed
on October seventh. Combined, you're looking at roughly twelve hundred
people slaughtered. By the way, not all is reals. Dozens

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of Americans were either murdered or taken hostage in Gaza
as well. In total, something like forty to fifty different
nationalities were represented of those who were slaughtered on October seventh.

Speaker 14 (02:09:11):
In fact, just looking.

Speaker 28 (02:09:12):
At it from a very strictly narrowly American perspective, October
seventh the mounted on its own terms to the largest
American only hostage crisis since Tehran in nineteen seventy nine,
because of all the American citizens who were then taken
hostage into God. So it was an unspeakable atrocity. We
don't really have all the answers to this day as
to how it happened. Perhaps we never will. I certainly

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hope to get some clarity at some point there. But
it was the single deadliest day for the Jewish people
since World War Two, And given Israel's small size, it's
roughly the equivalent of forty five to fifty nine to
elevens if you can possibly contextualize them. So that was
what precipitated this war, and it was a war that
Israel Charlie did not want. As you know hamastak Over

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in two thousand and seven, Israel repeatedly, time and time
again decided not to try to topple Hamad under the
idea that you could potentially have an even worse alternative,
better to deal with the devil that you know, and
so forth there October seventh, I think extremely reasonably, given
the sheer level of carnage and terror and just just
outright satanic, demonic evil that happened, they quite recently concluded

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that policy simply had to end. And what's happened in
Gaza for the past year and a half, almost two
years now has been a protracted war and one of
the most condensed urban environments in the world. It is
very very, very very difficult war fighting conditions. I would
like to remind you just of at least one or
two very simple facts. One is that let's not forget
that Hamas, who Israel is a war against in Gaza,

(02:10:40):
is a US recognized foreign terrorist organization. They are indistinguishable
in that respect from al Qaeda, or ISIS or any
of these other foreign terrorist organizations. They are in a
rabid Jihadis network that, like all these other Jihadis and
Sera supremacists, also wants to kill not merely Jews, but
Christians in all infidels. They say that very clearly in
the nineteen eighty seven Founding Charter. That is point number one,

(02:11:02):
point number two. Charlie, you mentioned that this is a
very Christian audience. I am Jewish, we happen to share
most of the Bible, and I am a firm believer
in Genesis one twenty seven that we are all made
in God's image. That is one of my foundational beliefs
in everything I.

Speaker 14 (02:11:15):
Write about this.

Speaker 28 (02:11:17):
I write about this at great length in my book
Israel and Civilization. To me, that's a single foundational ethical
imperative of all of Western civilization and informs my pro
life views and so much else. So I, like you,
and like so many others, also weep whenever innocent people
are dead. There are two points to make it. I'll
make them very briefly, because I know some sense of
the time. One is that we know because we actually

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have people like John Spencer, the head of Urban Warfare
studies at West Points, who have actually been able to
crunch numbers. We know that when you actually look at
the civilian to combat in death ratios in Gaza, it
is the most humane civilian to combat in death ratio
in the entire history of urban warfare. John Spencer was there,
by the way, in twenty sixteen twenty seventeen in Fallujah

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a rock during the Trump led ISIS counter insurgency, the
United States Army, God blessed them, did not even do
quite as well as the IDEAF in terms of civilian
to combine into death ratio. According to John Spencer of
West Point. Point number two, which is a very simple
point that Dave Smith and his friends always like to
look over, is that when you're just trying to ascribe
moral culpability to every single tragic death in Gaza. Charlie,

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you made this point so well in your recent debates
over in England against these high fluid and British FOEX
intellectuals at Cambridge and Oxford when you said that the
moral culpability comes to people who are using human shields.

Speaker 14 (02:12:31):
That is just how it works. That is the law war.

Speaker 28 (02:12:34):
That is the law of combat. That is just basic
morality and logic one oh one. So that is essentially
how I see gossip. I know Dave has plenty to
say in response to that. So Dave, take two minutes
and then I have a crisp follow up.

Speaker 7 (02:12:44):
Yeah, I mean, jeez, there's a lot there.

Speaker 17 (02:12:48):
First of all, look, if you support what Israel's doing
in Gaza right now, I would just like my advice
to you guys is just know that you never have
a leg to stand on claiming to be pro life
for the rest of your life, just saying that the view.

Speaker 7 (02:13:02):
Oh it's so, it's.

Speaker 17 (02:13:03):
Okay to support let's not boo our speakers policy that
is killing babies all of a sudden, killing babies is negotiable.

Speaker 7 (02:13:10):
All right, fine, I'm just coming the room.

Speaker 13 (02:13:12):
So Dave don't know, I'm not talking about that. Hold
on shields back up, Dave.

Speaker 7 (02:13:17):
Why don't just let you go on this whole long.

Speaker 13 (02:13:18):
I know I'm gonna actually help you out here, Dave.

Speaker 27 (02:13:20):
Okay, what I'm doing I want you to tell the
audience what's going on in Gaza, because some people in
the audience don't know what's going on.

Speaker 13 (02:13:27):
So I assume they know and don't. Let's not get back.

Speaker 7 (02:13:29):
Okay, well I did.

Speaker 17 (02:13:30):
I did assume that most people know that lots of
babies are being killed in Gaza.

Speaker 7 (02:13:34):
But maybe I shouldn't assume that.

Speaker 8 (02:13:35):
Don't.

Speaker 13 (02:13:36):
Well, don't be sarcastic about it, Dave. Instead, I mean this.

Speaker 7 (02:13:39):
No, I meant that utterly.

Speaker 13 (02:13:40):
I did a SA loop where they're on social media
all the time.

Speaker 27 (02:13:42):
Okay, so walk through numbers, walk through what animates you
to say something like that.

Speaker 17 (02:13:46):
Well, okay, well let me respond to a few of
the things that that Josh claimed.

Speaker 7 (02:13:50):
I mean, if you want to go.

Speaker 17 (02:13:50):
There was just a major report a couple of weeks
ago in Heratz, the Israeli newspaper, where they had a
bunch of IDF soldiers. They actually had one who went
on record who was saying that they were ordered to
shoot at crowds of people who were going into our deadline.

Speaker 13 (02:14:04):
We left felf not the way Gosh, I let you talk.
Let's please let.

Speaker 17 (02:14:07):
Dave make this case well as the IDF soldier who
went on the record also film probably Okay, all right,
there you go, so there see you're whatever. That's when
you'll criticize the idea look, Josh is just lying when
he says that Israel supported Hamas for all those years
because they feared there might be a worse alternative. It's
just not true. And this has been so widely reported.
You don't have to rely on Horetz. You can rely

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on all types of reporting, or you can just look
at all of the leaders in their own words, what
they said. They chose net Yahu, and this was very
controversial in Israel. There were lots of critics of this.
Netanyahu thought he had this brilliant idea, which is that
he would.

Speaker 7 (02:14:41):
Prop up Hamas and keep them in power.

Speaker 17 (02:14:44):
His exact quote was, we can control the height of
the flame. So he was that we'll keep these terrorists
in power, and that way we can tell the entire
international community that, look, we have no partner for peace,
we have no one to deal with here, and that
way we never have to negotiate with the Palestinians.

Speaker 7 (02:15:01):
This was the game that.

Speaker 17 (02:15:02):
He played, and it blew up in his face and
really blew up in the Israeli people's face on October seventh.
And I've never downplayed October seventh, I know, but I'm
just making the point that I never have happened totally, Kay,
it doesn't.

Speaker 7 (02:15:16):
You don't have to downplay any of that.

Speaker 17 (02:15:18):
And in fact, I've criticized many other critics of Israel
who have downplayed that it was a horrible day, awful
atrocious acts were committed by Hamas terrorists. But at the
same time, Benjamin Netanya, who was propping those guys up.
In fact, according to the Israeli former Defense secretary, he
sent the head of the massade to Qatar to quote.

Speaker 7 (02:15:41):
Beg them to continue shipping the money.

Speaker 17 (02:15:43):
And all the meanwhile, they had a blockade around Gaza.

Speaker 7 (02:15:47):
They wouldn't let sugar.

Speaker 17 (02:15:48):
They wouldn't let potatoes in because they claim that's dual use,
that could be used to build rockets, so the kids
can't get, you know, food, Yet hundreds of millions of
dollars in cash directly to Hamas. I guess money doesn't
have a dual use. So you know, the whole mission
of this, of this what you can't even.

Speaker 7 (02:16:09):
Really call a war because it's not a war.

Speaker 17 (02:16:12):
It's the destruction of a captive people gods has been
occupied since nineteen sixty seven by the Israelis, and they're
now just slaughtering the people. They are under that's effect,
and it's under the supposed goal that they want to
eliminate Hamas and they want to retrieve the hostages, and
yet they've Hamas is not being eliminated, they claim the

(02:16:36):
Israeli government is claiming that they've killed twenty thousand of
their fighters, and yet there's still as many as there
were beginning.

Speaker 27 (02:16:42):
Let me ask you the follow up that I wish
that I had an answer to when you were on
the Joe Rogan Show, But that thing decended into a mess,
right it was madness. So I'm going to try to
do it here. This was the best point that I
think that you that whatever reason, it wasn't answered, How
then should Israel have responded to October seven?

Speaker 13 (02:16:58):
Be specific?

Speaker 27 (02:17:00):
I know you might say, well, don't kill kids, but
hold on, how would you say you would be okay
for Israel to respond because it would be a defensive war.
At that time, thirteen hundred of their own kids and
women were killed and raped. So please just answer, how
then would you be okay with Israel responding to October seventh?

Speaker 7 (02:17:16):
Yeah? Well, I certainly.

Speaker 17 (02:17:17):
Look, I'm not saying that Israel was going to respond
with zero violence from after October seventh. But I think
the important thing to remember here is that, first of all,
for the entire history of israel existence, they've been dealing
with this terrorism problem. I would argue that the Palestinians
have been dealing with the terrorism problem from Israel as well,

(02:17:38):
but this is and they've never until met and Yahoo,
they never treated it as a problem.

Speaker 7 (02:17:43):
For the regular old military.

Speaker 17 (02:17:45):
It was always targeted assassinations and special ops.

Speaker 7 (02:17:49):
And look, the truth is this, This is the.

Speaker 17 (02:17:51):
Fact, right when you have been occupying a group of
people since nineteen sixty seven, Israel has completely controlled Gaza.

Speaker 14 (02:17:59):
He withdrew and many years ago.

Speaker 7 (02:18:00):
Yes, okay, And if.

Speaker 17 (02:18:01):
You want to go back and look at this, you
can read Sharon's top advisor in his own words, said
the disengagement.

Speaker 13 (02:18:08):
Was to put there running out of time.

Speaker 17 (02:18:10):
But I won't be able to go through all of this.
But it's not true. Israel continued to occupy the whole time.
And when people broke out, okay, So when people break
out of Gaza and just start ran just slaughtering civilians
in Israel, yes, it was a horrible day and the
world feels for those civilians. But at the same time,

(02:18:32):
you have to know if you're Israel that the way
that you respond to this is going to be how
you're characterized in the international community. And so you would
at least make some effort to not kill so many civilians.
You can't, dude, uh Smotrich. The finance minister was bragging
for three months that not one ounce of grain would

(02:18:53):
get into Gaza Hamasas all you interrupt every two seconds
to Hamas has all the food they need. This is
a war on the civilian population. And then, as is
reported admitted by Idea. By the way, this is admitted
by the Israeli government. You can say whatever you want
about Heretz. They they denied that they gave the orders,

(02:19:14):
but they admitted that it was the.

Speaker 7 (02:19:15):
IDF who was shooting at those people.

Speaker 17 (02:19:17):
Then after you deny the civilian's food for three months,
then you start shooting at the people who are desperately
trying to get some food for them and their kids. So, no, listen,
I'm sorry, and I guess I am partly rejecting the
premise of your question. Well let me just say it
like this, Charlie. If your if you're pro life and
you say.

Speaker 28 (02:19:36):
I stupid argument, you should not buy Shut up, bro.

Speaker 17 (02:19:40):
It's not it's a stupid argument.

Speaker 7 (02:19:43):
You haven't heard the argument.

Speaker 17 (02:19:45):
What's the argument that's stupid?

Speaker 7 (02:19:50):
The artist? Hold on one second?

Speaker 17 (02:19:54):
People like the argument that you what's the argument that
you called?

Speaker 13 (02:19:58):
Why don't you finish it?

Speaker 8 (02:19:59):
Josh?

Speaker 7 (02:19:59):
Even you know what it is?

Speaker 17 (02:20:00):
He interrupted me before I even said it.

Speaker 7 (02:20:02):
Okay, here's the argument.

Speaker 17 (02:20:04):
If your pro life, it's not incumbent on you to
have a plan for what the mother ought to do
with the baby. Like you don't have to have a
plan for daycare and college.

Speaker 7 (02:20:16):
Funds and all that.

Speaker 17 (02:20:17):
You just say, Hey, I think this option should be
off the table. I don't think you have the right
to murder the baby while it's inside of you.

Speaker 7 (02:20:23):
Likewise, I'm not saying I have to have the perfect plan.

Speaker 17 (02:20:25):
If we had more time, I could expand on what
I think they should have done. But how about don't
deny one ounce of grain for three months and then
shoot at the poor people who are trying to get food,
Josh Haspot, take that option off the table?

Speaker 7 (02:20:38):
Is that argument stupid? Josh?

Speaker 8 (02:20:40):
Dave?

Speaker 13 (02:20:41):
Okay, Bosh.

Speaker 28 (02:20:41):
The party in Gaza that is not pro life is Hamas.

Speaker 7 (02:20:46):
Agree.

Speaker 28 (02:20:46):
Hamas is the gie hottest US recognized foreig entirest organization
that in their founding charter. By the way, they were
founded simply as the Palestinian Arab offshoot at the Muslim Brotherhood.

Speaker 17 (02:20:56):
We all agree Hamas is bad. Well, now I'm not
gonna sit here while he interrupts me every.

Speaker 27 (02:20:59):
Time day, if respectful, you are criticizing him for interrupting,
So don't do that. So just let's let's have an
uninterrupted marit.

Speaker 14 (02:21:09):
Just thank you, okay.

Speaker 28 (02:21:11):
Hamas calls in their founding charter for the death not
merely the US, really not merely every Jew, but of
every Infidel, which they identify as not merely all Christians
but also all Muslims don't subscribe to their idiosyncratic form
of Sunni Shuria supremacism.

Speaker 14 (02:21:27):
So the the group in Hamas, the group.

Speaker 28 (02:21:29):
In Gaza that is not pro life is Hamas, and
Hamas has the unequivocal and I would argue sole moral
culpability for the human shield induced deaths of all the women,
civilians and babies when they are indiscriminately firing rockets, mortars
and missiles from mosques, from the United Nations schools and on.
That is where the blame goes the blame goes to Hamas.

(02:21:52):
Once upon a time, anyone with any decent functioning moral
compass or any knowledge of international law one on one
would have been able to tell you that.

Speaker 14 (02:21:59):
So that that that is where this goes.

Speaker 17 (02:22:00):
But again it's just you pivot to blaming Hamas and
they're the ones who aren't pro life. As if I
was making the claim that Hamas is pro life, I'm
criticizing Benjamin Netanyahu for funding and propping up this.

Speaker 7 (02:22:11):
Horrific terrorist organization.

Speaker 17 (02:22:13):
But so how are you in one breath going to
talk about how terrible they are and then completely remove
culpability from the guy who.

Speaker 13 (02:22:19):
I am curious?

Speaker 7 (02:22:20):
Hip got it?

Speaker 27 (02:22:21):
I'm curious. I got to interrupt. What is your response
to the human shield argument? It has been proven, it
is legit. What is your response to a fact we
don't know how widespread it's stump. I think it's rather
that Hamas uses human shields.

Speaker 17 (02:22:33):
Yeah, they certainly have at like, I'm not denying that,
but at the same time, like it's kind of you know,
if let's say, like in a domestic criminal situation, if
there was somebody who killed a bunch of people and
then they ran into a school and they're like using
the kids as human shields. They're hiding behind the kids.
And then your local police department came over and said,
blow up the school and killed all the kids. You

(02:22:55):
wouldn't go, well, they have no moral responsibility because they
were using them as human shields. Yeah, as Bill bursaid
in a special you gotta work around that, bro, and
like Hamas is terrible.

Speaker 7 (02:23:05):
Nobody's arguing with that.

Speaker 17 (02:23:07):
But that doesn't mean there's no responsibility for the people
dropping the butt.

Speaker 7 (02:23:11):
And by the way, again, as you don't want.

Speaker 17 (02:23:12):
To talk about, how about when they're shooting at people
trying to get aid.

Speaker 7 (02:23:15):
There were no human shields there. I do want to
talk at a picture of Gaza.

Speaker 17 (02:23:19):
Human shields does not describe most of what's happened to Gaza. Yes,
there are certain air instances.

Speaker 7 (02:23:25):
And by the way, Israel also has.

Speaker 17 (02:23:27):
A bunch of military targets in civilian areas. Like I'm
just saying, that doesn't actually mean it's okay to just
now you have a moral get out of jail free
card to do whatever you want to the poor innocent
people who, as you pointed out, are also victims of Hamas, Josh,
and that's what people are objecting to.

Speaker 7 (02:23:43):
Josh.

Speaker 27 (02:23:44):
What is your response to I know there was some
pushback online. So the shooting at the AID site with
food is that as Dave is telling.

Speaker 14 (02:23:50):
It, Charlie.

Speaker 28 (02:23:52):
Honestly, I have not spent too much time in the details.
What I can tell you is this, we know for
a fact that at least until the recent Gaza Humanitarian Foundation,
which is this US organized NGO distributing the AID, we
know that prior to the establishment of this, Hamas was
pilfree and confiscating a shockingly high percentage of the AID
that entered Gaza, sometimes well more than fifty percent, because

(02:24:13):
that's what they do. They have monopoly of use of
for US and Gaza, and they were essentially just artificially
inflating the prices of the actual gazin's goods and then
stealing it all for themselves. That's what HAMAS does. It
is a deeply corrupt cleptocracy. In addition to being a AAG.

Speaker 4 (02:24:28):
Hey, guys, special breaking news. I wanted to bring this
out from the event. We're still wrapping up here at
Turning Point USA. But Brian, our very own Brian Glenn
is with President Trump. President Trump is landing for a
I believe a soccer match. I want to bring Brian in.
Tell us what's going on out there.

Speaker 29 (02:24:45):
Brian, Hey, guys, we're just outside waiting for President Trump
to land here.

Speaker 20 (02:24:52):
He will be attending a soccer the pump Well Championship
here in a couple of hours.

Speaker 8 (02:25:00):
Puck and say then the mother kid is set to
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Awesome, look at that marine one landing there. President Trump
never stops. That was the difference between Joe Biden and
President Trump. President Trump just never stops. For all the
soccer fans out there. You know, when I was a kid,
i played. I'm not a big fan, but globally it's
a big deal. So we'll be watching this anywhere. President

(02:25:32):
Trump goes Brian Glenn, Real America's Voice News.

Speaker 1 (02:25:35):
We are there.

Speaker 4 (02:25:36):
Looks like that marine one is landing as we speak.

Speaker 5 (02:25:39):
Let's go full.

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Screen on that if you can. Guys, I know America
would rather see President Trump than me.

Speaker 8 (02:26:04):
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Speaker 13 (02:26:08):
You know again, I'd like to keep you guys up
at date for right.

Speaker 9 (02:26:12):
Now, so we get kind of loud.

Speaker 2 (02:26:13):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:26:14):
We're gonna get a little bit closer to uh the helicopters,
So I'll try.

Speaker 6 (02:26:17):
To stay off uh the mic as much as possible,
just so you.

Speaker 22 (02:26:21):
Can hear everything.

Speaker 17 (02:26:22):
But yeah, UH, I d see donkey, you just got
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Speaker 8 (02:26:26):
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Speaker 12 (02:26:27):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:26:27):
Once this motivated right here moves out.

Speaker 1 (02:26:30):
Of the way, UH, I'll be able to kind of
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Speaker 10 (02:26:44):
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Speaker 8 (02:26:45):
We're gonna get up a little bit tighter.

Speaker 10 (02:26:47):
I can, but I can demand the power.

Speaker 4 (02:26:50):
And show the that Brian walk us through uh again
what's happening uh, and then what the plans are for
the rest of the day.

Speaker 29 (02:26:59):
Okay, Well, basically, if we hear from FIFA start of
that hue, let's frame it up here here.

Speaker 7 (02:27:07):
Shortly we're gonna go.

Speaker 29 (02:27:09):
We're gonna transition to MetLife Stadium where President Trump is
gonna watch the final match.

Speaker 8 (02:27:14):
Now, from what I understand, he's going.

Speaker 1 (02:27:17):
To watch uh the entire uh with the entire match.

Speaker 29 (02:27:22):
And so he's gonna present the uh the trophy which
we all saw that he has in his office. We're
gonna do that as well, I'm gonna go ahead and
work on getting a better shot at President Trump.

Speaker 8 (02:27:32):
Walking off this. So I'm gonna get off of mi
cone the microphone for a second.

Speaker 29 (02:27:35):
If we watch President Trump get off of Marine one.

Speaker 4 (02:28:00):
We got the beast there blocking the shot a little bit,
but you could see Marine one.

Speaker 1 (02:28:04):
You got the Marines coming off. President Trump should be there.
We go better angle there.

Speaker 4 (02:28:33):
Yeah, and we are finishing coverage here at Turning Point
Action Student Action Summit, and the action will continue tomorrow.

(02:29:09):
It looks like Milania's exiting, and yep, there's President Trump
and Milania.

Speaker 1 (02:29:24):
That's what them all right.

Speaker 4 (02:29:32):
Looks like Brian's gonna have to get back in the van.
They're moving to another location. There's that secondary shot of
President Trump heading in to watch FIFA, the Man of
the People, the President of the People, President Donald J.
Trump heading to watch the final FIFA matchm and of

(02:30:01):
course the ever elegant First Lady Milania. All right, guys,
we're gonna bring you more of that as we have it,
but for now we are going to head back to
the stage with Charlie Kirk on the Israel Palestinian debate.

Speaker 27 (02:30:20):
You know, people are killed also, I think we all
agreed October seventh was awful. It was terrible and should
be talked about more, and it needs to be emphasized.
We also agree this jew hate stuff has no place
in public discourse, period, end of story.

Speaker 13 (02:30:34):
And I don't like it.

Speaker 27 (02:30:35):
It's disgusting and we need to call it out when
we see it. And finally, I think the fifth is
that I hope we demonstrated and both our participants got
a little lively at times, that this is a debate
worth having, that it's better to have this out in
the open than silence people and censor them and call
them names instead. This is how we solve our problems.

(02:30:55):
Give it up for joshin day one last time.

Speaker 30 (02:30:57):
Everybody, Thank you, Thank you guys, thank you.

Speaker 31 (02:31:00):
K did we enjoy that? Everybody was that great?

Speaker 13 (02:31:22):
Okay?

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I just want to thank you guys for a phenomenal event.
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Speaker 3 (02:32:32):
All right, and welcome back, and we are at the
finish line. What a weekend, baby, Real America's Voice giving
you coverage that you cannot get anywhere else. This is
turning point in USA hosting the Student Action Summit.

Speaker 5 (02:32:48):
It has been a phenomenal weekend.

Speaker 3 (02:32:50):
Phenomenal speakers, phenomenal perspective, phenomenal debates, and of course a
phenomenal panel. Ben Burkekwa, Michelle Bachus, My chrispy Bo David said,
let's get a round table here. Your final thoughts are
what was really an incredible action packed weekend.

Speaker 5 (02:33:08):
Ben Well, look.

Speaker 4 (02:33:10):
I love this panel specifically about this is really turning point.
Charlie Kirk, everything that they embody coming together with difference
of opinions and saying we can sit down respectfully and
have a dialogue and see where you're coming from, where
I'm coming from, and then let the audience make conformed consent,

(02:33:31):
informed consent. And it's the same thing that the left
does not want. It's the exact opposite of what you
see out on the streets. What we saw yesterday, it's
what the exact opposite of what the communist leftist Marxists
that have taken over our college campuses.

Speaker 1 (02:33:45):
They don't want, and they understand why.

Speaker 4 (02:33:47):
It's the reason they don't want it is because they
understand how powerful it is if you can sit there
and have a debate. Now, it was a little contentious,
there's some parts where we're like, wow.

Speaker 1 (02:33:56):
This could get this could go sideways.

Speaker 4 (02:33:58):
But if you can do that, if you can respectfully
debate somebody that you disagree with and disagree strongly with
on certain issues, then and you can walk away from that,
that's how we restore our country. That's how we unite
our country once again. I think we need more of that.
I don't think we absolutely need more of that, not

(02:34:19):
less of that. And if anything, I think that was
a great way to kick this eying off and the.

Speaker 1 (02:34:23):
Direction we're heading.

Speaker 4 (02:34:24):
And then on top of that, to me, the best
part where the kids, these young kids, the hope for
our future of our nation.

Speaker 5 (02:34:29):
Beautifully said Ben Michelle.

Speaker 26 (02:34:31):
I want to piggyback off of what Ben said, because
that's the difference between the Republicans and the Democrats, right
We all have friends who have canceled us, have said
things to us. My own cousin blocked me on social
media over my beliefs, and it's something a lot of
us deal with. This is a great place to come
to have that community, especially if you are an area
maybe like Chicago, LA, you feel like you're alone. This

(02:34:54):
is a great reminder that you are not alone. And
to that point as well, I give all of us
up here all lot of credit because we continued to
ask the questions, especially about Epstein, despite the fact that listen,
we don't care Republican Democrat. We want the truth, we
want the transparency. Everyone else here wants that as well.
So overall, I think that this was just a great

(02:35:14):
weekend for community, and I'm looking forward to the mid terms.
I'm looking ahead. We have to get people involved in
This is a good reminder the work is not done,
it's just getting.

Speaker 5 (02:35:24):
Started, beautifully, said Michelle bo.

Speaker 8 (02:35:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (02:35:26):
I think it's just a robust debate. That's exactly what
these age kids need to have. And to your point
been about the left doesn't do this when you look
at New York right now, Mom, Donnie, no one's sitting
down and saying are these ideas good ideas? They're having
that debate right now about Israel and Palestine right now
because people need to hear what's being said and hash

(02:35:47):
that out and actually listen to the proper argumentative debate.
It's so important what TPUSA is doing because that's exactly
what this country was founded on. And I'll go back
even one step further, and that is to talk about
the foundation of faith. One year ago Butler, Pennsylvania, Yep, Yeah,
Bullet grazes Trump's here. In fact, you could say that
was a new rebirth for Donald Trump in terms of
his faith.

Speaker 13 (02:36:06):
And you come back to TP Faith, TP.

Speaker 25 (02:36:08):
Action, all the different initiatives that Charlie Kirk has created here,
Russell Brand talking about walking away from addiction, finding something new,
finding a personal savior in Jesus Christ. Watching them worship
this morning, I find that to be inspiring, motivating, and
this sense of community that they've created here is really
just awe inspiring to me.

Speaker 5 (02:36:26):
Mike beautifully said Bo.

Speaker 3 (02:36:27):
And I'll say my takeaways are I love the way
that we have accessibility. Look at the way that multiple
members of President Trump's cabinet were here. Was there any
instances of Joe Biden's cabinet at events with the grassroots
on the left side. Absolutely not to have Secretary Nome,
Secretary Heg Saith Tulsea, Gabbert, tom Holme, and the lights.

(02:36:49):
The fact that they come here and directly interact with
the grassroots base, the fact that they've done that for
years now. A lot of these members of the cabinet
have come to these events to get the pulse of
what Maga is thinking, speak to them, face them. I
think that's something special, and I do think it's special
that we come together at such an important time for
our country. Obviously we're having unprecedented wins in President Trump's

(02:37:14):
first year of the term. We have a long way
to go, and as we've all said on the panel today,
differences of opinion is a good thing. This isn't the
left where they stifle anybody who doesn't go lockstep militant.

Speaker 5 (02:37:26):
With what the leaders say.

Speaker 3 (02:37:28):
We're allowed to have these debates on Jeffrey Epstein because
we're Americans. We have the First Amendment, and we all
want the truth and transparency to be brought to light.
So I do love the fact that the timing of
all this. Again, I don't love the situation. I don't
love Pambondi's memo, matter of fact, quite the opposite of it.
But I do love the fact that the timing of

(02:37:49):
it was where thousands of patriots of all ages came
together and have made their voice heard that this is
not an acceptable way to go. We elected President Trump
for transparency, truth, to restore American greatness. And I know
for a fact that people in the White House on
down are listening to this, They're hearing what the bas
is saying at this conference all over the place on

(02:38:12):
social media, these interviews that are going on with people.
It's a viral sensation everything going on here, and I
know that that is resonating home. So one of an
amazing weekend, guys. And again, nobody could have done it
like Real America's Voice.

Speaker 1 (02:38:26):
And what's coming.

Speaker 4 (02:38:28):
What I'm really excited about is God's next phase for
our network for this country, Real America's Voice News. We're
going to be launching Real America's Faith and Family. Been
working on that for a long time. Instead of only
having bad news, it's time to bring some good news
and shine some light, tell the good stories of America.
We've got a family road trip show we're working on,
and a whole bunch of other stuff. So if you're not, look,

(02:38:49):
you're watching Real America's Voice News. But if you have
friends or family or anyone else that you know that
is not, you've got to share it with.

Speaker 1 (02:38:55):
Them, let them know.

Speaker 4 (02:38:56):
Amazing things are coming with all of our shows across
the network and our new network.

Speaker 1 (02:39:00):
It's going to be great.

Speaker 5 (02:39:01):
Start. I love it.

Speaker 3 (02:39:02):
I love it, as I always like to say, and
as we stand this network, we are just getting started.
Truly are our country and Real America's Voice. Appreciate everybody
tuning in all weekend long, Ben Burgh, kwamshells Mo Davidson,
the incredible production crew that made this possible, Parker Say,

(02:39:24):
Rob Sick, the whole entire crew, and you guys out there,
love you and we'll see.

Speaker 32 (02:39:30):
You back alive on the next broadcast. Have a great night, everybody.

Speaker 7 (02:39:51):
Thank you to Julio Gonzalez, CEO and founder of Engineer
Tech Services, Incorporated for sponsoring this event. A true American patriot, Engineer.

Speaker 17 (02:40:01):
Tax Services, innovative, ethical, transparent.

Speaker 7 (02:40:09):
This has been a live special report. We now join
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