The Charlie Kirk Show, April 21, 2025

Commentary on the Pope passing away, Pete Hegseth, the military, Bill Maher, and Christianity and reason.

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
The Charlie Kirk Show starts.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Now.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
The presidents fans strongly behind Secretary Hegseth, who is doing
a phenomenal job leading the Pentagon.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
And this is what happens.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
When the entire Pentagon is working against you and working
against the monumental change that you are trying to implement.
Secretary Hegswift. Hegseth was nominated for this position because he
is standing up for the war fighter, the men and
women in uniform who are putting their lives on the
line to protect our country and our homeland.

Speaker 5 (00:46):
And unfortunately, there.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Have been people at that building who don't like the
change the Secretary is trying to bring, so they are
leaking and they are lying to the mainstream media. We've
seen this game played before, the Secretary making a tremendous.

Speaker 6 (01:02):
Drink.

Speaker 7 (01:02):
No thank you if you don't drink, of course, moke bought.
And you're married and super Christian. We're going to go
on great.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
You know, this is this going to just be perfect?

Speaker 8 (01:12):
You know, one would expect that once the deregulation really
takes takes place and is sustained and the tax cuts
are extended, that.

Speaker 9 (01:20):
Would be a positive for the economy.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
But it sounds to me that you're not expecting.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
A reception this year, you know, I really am not.

Speaker 10 (01:25):
The first quarter is looking like it's going to be
way better that people thought at the beginning of the quarter,
way better than we expected because of what we inherited
from Joe Biden. And it's because President Trump's policies are
working pastors that expected.

Speaker 11 (01:38):
And the way to think about it really is that
what's going on is.

Speaker 10 (01:40):
We need to onshore activity create jobs in the US.
And it used to be that that was like a
really really slow moving thing. But now with AI and
supply chains that everything, it's a much.

Speaker 12 (01:49):
Less slow moving thing.

Speaker 11 (01:51):
If America was eighty one percent Christian or eighty one
percent Islamic, which what's a better country?

Speaker 6 (01:58):
Yes, according to the ideals I believe in. If you
think faith I know you do is the most important thing.
You might think Islam. But I happy to think freedom
is the most important thing. Personal liberty again, human rights,
rule of law, scientific inquiry, democracy, freedom of speech, all

(02:24):
these things which are absent much more in those societies
than the society I live.

Speaker 8 (02:29):
A new demands from Democrats for Elon Musk to step
down from his role in the federal government after a
group of seventy seven lawmakers sent a letter to the
Trump administration emphasizing the tech billionaire can only serve in
his role.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
As a special government employee.

Speaker 8 (02:44):
Until the end of May. Democrats say Musk's work heading
DOGE has done enormous harm of working Americans while continuing
to enrich himself and violate ethics laws.

Speaker 13 (02:55):
President has spent eighty seven days at the highest level
of its government repeatedly taking efforts to bring this war
to an end. We are now reaching a point where
we need to decide and determine whether this is even
possible or not, which is why we're engaging both sides.

Speaker 11 (03:10):
We need to figure out.

Speaker 13 (03:10):
Here now within a matter of day, whether this is
doable in the short term, because if it's not, then
I think we're just going to move on from our perspective.

Speaker 14 (03:19):
We have a couple of important issues to discuss today.
I want to update the Prime Minister on some of
the negotiations between Russia and you create and also some
of the things that have happened even in the past
twenty four hours, and thinking up some interesting things to
report on a course in private.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Some of the negotiations, I won't prejudge.

Speaker 14 (03:35):
Them, but we do feel optimistic that we can hopefully
bring this war, this very real wars we've closed, Yeah,
very sure.

Speaker 15 (03:54):
A specific number of days, but quickly if we want
to get it done.

Speaker 11 (03:58):
We're talking about here dying and.

Speaker 15 (04:00):
We're talking about over there people are dying also, like
on average two five hundred young people soldiers. And Marco
is right in saying, as we're getting we want.

Speaker 11 (04:09):
To see it end.

Speaker 16 (04:11):
I'm not sure why Abrago Garcia's rights should be denied
based on an awful murder that he had absolutely nothing
to do with.

Speaker 17 (04:22):
Who did paper this trip?

Speaker 9 (04:24):
This was an officially cleared, you know, congressional trip, clear basis, Yes,
like every other trip.

Speaker 18 (04:32):
David Hogg, who I know, you know, a vice chair
of the Democrat National Committee. He's going to be joining
us on the roundtable, and he is pursuing this effort
to unseat some Democrats in safe seats through primary challenges.

Speaker 19 (04:46):
If I look forward, there standing behind every single Democratic incumbent,
from the most progressive to the most centrist, in all
points in between.

Speaker 17 (05:01):
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(05:22):
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Speaker 11 (05:23):
Okay, everybody, Radio stations across the country. Honored to be
with you as always were here live at the Bitcoin
dot Com studio, live in Phoenix, Arizona. Email us as
always freedom at Charliekirk dot Com. Of course, the breaking
news that happened over the evening, over the night, I
should say late last night and early morning in Rome,
the news was announced that Pope Francis has died. This

(05:47):
is monumental news. I was reflecting, I have only lived
through three popes.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
I have lived for.

Speaker 11 (05:53):
Thirty one years and I've only lived.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Through three popes.

Speaker 11 (05:56):
We have, of course, I was born and John Paul
the second was Pope, and then Pope Benedict and now
Pope Francis. He was Pope for twelve years. He was
the first Pope from the Americas. He tended to be
a little bit questionable at times on some of his
let's just say social justice perspectives, but.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
I'm not Catholic.

Speaker 11 (06:16):
We do have Michael Knowles that's going to join us
in the program to discuss this and the significance of it.
The College of Cardinals will assemble after. Of course, the
funeral of Pope Francis and Pope France has certainly caused
a lot of heartburn to Catholics in America, and so
we're going to talk about the geopolitical significance of this,

(06:37):
because remember, John Paul the Second was incredibly effective at
fighting communism. I would love to see the next Pope,
whomever that is, maybe a Pope from Africa, or a
Pope from Asia, or a pope from wherever, have the
same sort of moral clarity that John Paul the Second
had against totalitarian Marxism. We'll discuss that later in the hour.

(07:02):
But first breaking yesterday on Easter Sunday was another attack
on American patriot Pete Hegseth. The New York Times launched
a massive attack on the front page. Right here, Defense
had said to send war plan to second group. Heag
Set's family members and lawyer are linked to encrypted chat.

(07:24):
There's a lot going on here, some of which I
can talk about publicly, some of which I cannot talk
about publicly.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Let's talk about the essence of it.

Speaker 11 (07:32):
They're criticizing Pete hegg Seth for sending war plans again
in a signal group chat. Now he denies this. It
looks like it's total incomplete BS. We know that there
were not war plans being sent. They're trying to take
out Pete Hegseth, and that really goes down to what's
going on here. They're not attacking Pete Hegseth because he's failing.

(07:54):
They are attacking Pete hegg Seth because he's succeeding.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Here's what they won't talk about.

Speaker 11 (08:00):
You see, it's not that Pete Hegseth is a disaster
of a Secretary of Defense.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Quite the opposite.

Speaker 11 (08:06):
He's already succeeding in the metrics that matter most from
building a lethal fighting force. And we must ask the
question throughout Coroy Bono, we asked this question a lot.
Who benefits from attacking Pete Hegseth. You see, it's not
that the military is falling apart like it was under
Joe Biden. The numbers are remarkable. First, recruiting is up

(08:29):
after historic lows in twenty twenty two, and twenty twenty three.
The Army and the Marine Corps recruiting have rebounded. In
fiscal year twenty twenty four, Quarter one, the Army reported
a ten percent increase in new enlistments year over year.
The Marine Corps hit one hundred percent of its recruiting goals. So,
when Joe Biden was president and Lloyd Austin was running things,

(08:50):
military recruitment was down, but interestingly, almost no one ever
attacked them. And just to be clear, Lloyd Austin did
something infinitely more inexcusable than Pete Hegseth when he was
hospitalized without telling anybody, and the chain of command of
our military was largely broken because of Lloyd Austin's decision

(09:10):
to go get I think it was like a prostate
surgery or something without telling anybody. Morale is up. A
recent Rand Corporation survey shows a fifteen point jump in
troop satisfaction compared to twenty twenty one, particularly among combat units.
It's interesting how morale goes up when you say that

(09:31):
we're gonna have the same physical fitness standards for men
and women.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
We're gonna get rid of the woke stuff.

Speaker 11 (09:35):
We're also not going to allow transgender people in the
military and all of a sudden boom, morale goes up.
Has the media mentioned any of this or is it
just the swirling attacks here it says Pete Hegseth is
under fire, Well, he might be under fire by all
the right people in DC. Instead, they should be doing

(09:57):
a puff piece. The New York Times should be on
how recruiting is up, morale is up, and yes, standards
are up. The Army at Combat Fitness Test as mentioned
the ACFT, once watered down, has been reformed to restore
challenge and purpose. And yes, even efficiency is up. Did
you know that the Department of Offenses Inspector General just

(10:20):
last month did an audit and they noted a twelve
percent increase in procurement efficiency and project delivery timelines. Our
influence also is up. Did you know in the Philippines
and Taiwan, joint exercises are up thirty percent year over year,
And of course, most importantly, our lethality is up. The

(10:42):
US military is again training for war fighting, not workshops.
In fiscal year twenty twenty four, combat writiness scores from
Centcom and Indo Pacom showed a twenty percent increase in
unit preparedness over fiscal year twenty twenty two. These are
real numbers morale, lethality, preparedness efficiency, So by all objective measurements,

(11:04):
Pete Hegset, in his short window of time has been
a roaring success, probably the most effective Secretary of Defense
since the New millennium. When you have a military that
was bogged down by bureaucracy, wokeism, and low morale, and
all of a sudden you see that turned around. You

(11:25):
have to wonder, but what is down?

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Exactly?

Speaker 11 (11:28):
What's down in the Secretary of Defense's office? What is
down in the Pentagon? The influence of neocons and the
failed perpetual war architects, the bureaucracy of combat forces that
is down, and the weaponization of the uniform to serve
ideological causes over national security.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Do you know what is gone now?

Speaker 11 (11:53):
Pete Hegset has removed this from the US military, and
that makes him a major enemy of the entrenched, permanent
bureaucracy in the Pentagon. When he removes the gay poems
from our battleships, it turns out that you can have
a thirty percent increase in wargames. Turns out that you
could be twelve percent more efficient play Cup one thirty four.

Speaker 20 (12:16):
The coolest thing I did on board was to be
able to participate in a LGBTQ spoken word night, and
I was able to read a poem that I wrote
to the whole ship, and that was probably the culmination
of focal deployment.

Speaker 11 (12:32):
This whole thing is done, that whole operation is done.
You know, I'm going to go read an lgbt gay
poem on top of a battleship. And it turns out
when you remove that efficiency, lethality, morale, recruitment all goes up.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
This is also gone. Here's another one.

Speaker 11 (12:49):
While in uniform we see the PSA on how to
use pronouns. Our own military was a major college campus
with Tomahawk missiles. Our military was becoming Harvard with drones.
That's what it was under Lloyd Austin and Mark Milly.
Speaking of what you know, what else is down the
BMI of the Secretary of Defense way down. Warrior culture

(13:13):
is ascendant, which is exactly why the knives are out
for Pete hegg Seth about this rubbish story. Oh he's
putting stuff in signal chance. Look at the core essence
to what's happening here. Steve ban would say, look at
the signal, not the noise. He has removed this cancer
rather quickly. Look at this play cup one thirty two.

Speaker 21 (13:32):
Hi, my name is Johnny, and I use hee him pronouns.
Using the right pronouns is a really simple way to
affirm someone's identity. It is a signal of acceptance and respect.

Speaker 22 (13:42):
If it's a signal of acceptance and respect, how do
we go about creating a safe space for everybody?

Speaker 12 (13:48):
That's a good question.

Speaker 21 (13:50):
A really good way to do that is to use
inclusive language. Instead of saying something like hey guys, you
can say hey everyone.

Speaker 22 (13:57):
Another way that we could show that we're and then
we accept everybody is to maybe include our pronouns in
our emails or like we just did, introduce ourselves using
our pronouns.

Speaker 11 (14:09):
This was an official military broadcast under Joe Biden, and
not a single criticism from the media, not a single
criticism from the regime. Now, instead we have the alpha
man ascendant, the warrior Ethos back into the Pentagon, and
that is what gets their attention. But there, of course
is another thing. Despite the fact that we're more lethal

(14:29):
morales up and recruiting is up and efficiency is up,
and that we have a real warrior leading things. No, no, no, no,
there's another thing at play here. And let we're gonna
go a level deeper because Pete hegset stands in the
way of the drums of war.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Do you hear that the.

Speaker 11 (14:44):
Bum to the bum, the dum tod bum to the
bum to the bum. Oh, the Neocons they want to
strike Iran more than anything else. They want a ground
warth iron, and Pete Hegseth stands atop the pentagon to say,
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Speaker 11 (15:31):
President Trump has Pete Heggsatz back. We're gonna play that
tape here live from the Easter egg Roll. They hate
him not because he's failing, but because he's succeeding and
revealing the scam the Pentagon became.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
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Speaker 1 (17:26):
Welcome back, everybody.

Speaker 11 (17:27):
Email us as always freedom at Charlie kirk dot com
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at the Bitcoin dot Com studio. Pete Hegseth is succeeding.
He's making us the finest fighting force on the planet.
Here's breaking news, President Trump backing Pete heg Seth live
from the Easter Egg Rold. Great job team getting that clip.
Thank you for that in real time play cut one

(17:48):
forty four.

Speaker 7 (17:49):
Hey wait, I hear they're doing that whole same thing again.

Speaker 11 (17:53):
Here we go again.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
It's just a waste of time.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
He is doing.

Speaker 15 (17:56):
He is doing a great job because he's doing great job.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
Thanks j Ask.

Speaker 15 (18:03):
Ask the hoodies how he's doing. Ask the hoodies how
much this function that is. Pete's doing a great job.
Everybody's happy with him. We have the highest recruitment recruitment
numbers I think we've had in twenty eight years. No,
he's doing a great job. It's just fake news. They
just bring up stories. I guess it sounds like disgrunt
old employees.

Speaker 11 (18:23):
You know, he was split there to get rid.

Speaker 15 (18:25):
Of a lot of bad people, and that's what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
So you don't always.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Have friends when you do that.

Speaker 11 (18:33):
One more paid piece here about the wocism. Then I
do want to focus on Iran, which again we on
this program. We have a very clear moral standard. Iran
kannaka a nuclear weapon. But you also you got to
keep Lindsey Graham and Tom Cotton away because they right
there and their staff, they're they're beating the war drums.
There is an undercurrent. Try to take out everyone around

(18:54):
Pete Hegseth and eventually do an encirclement around the Pentagon
so they can have a clear shot at bombing Iran.
And then look, once you bomb Moran, that's a declaration
of war.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
What do you get next? We don't know.

Speaker 11 (19:05):
You might get troops, you might get movements. You can't
play games with this stuff. A war with Iran would
break the back of this administration. One more on what
I just want to remind you what our military was becoming.
Morale was down, recruitment was down. We were a sad
fighting force under Joe Biden. And very quickly President Trump,

(19:25):
in trusting Peinenhegg's at.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
This brought it back. Play cut one thirty six.

Speaker 23 (19:30):
None a day goes by that I'm not grateful to
be serving at this period of sign being able to
undergo a full gender transition beyond harmones, laser hair and
mobile botox lip injections, hair lowering like, literally cannot be

(19:50):
more thankful to be live now.

Speaker 11 (19:55):
So for those of you on radio podcasting, you're very
blessed that you did not have to see that this
is a member of the military talking about the lip
injections and the gender transition, and how thankful that military
member is to be alive. Whenever rubbish. That is hair removal.
That's what our military was, that hexth inherited, all funded

(20:15):
by taxpayers. The military is no longer a safe space
for this radical woke ideology. We're back to not hair removal,
but terrorist removal. Not gender transition, but enemy elimination, lethality.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
At all costs.

Speaker 11 (20:33):
But pteg Seth is a prudent man, you see. Of
course it is inevitably, not inevitably, but it is President
Trump's final decision whether or not we go to war
with a run.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
He doesn't want to do that.

Speaker 11 (20:46):
But understand, all of the machinery around President Trump can
be very persuasive and can be incredibly powerful in how
military decisions are made. Let's play cut one twelve here.
I think it's around Iran. No, I'm sorry, that's something else.
That's Pete hegg set defending himself at the Egg roll.

(21:07):
I do want to play that, but let me just
say this in very, very quickly, the people around the
president matter. Back in the first term, it was mad
Dog Matis and Mike Pence that were literally launching a
collusive conspiracy to try and get President Trump to support
keeping troops in Afghanistan.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Let's play cut one twelve.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
You know what a big.

Speaker 24 (21:28):
Surprise that a bunch of a few leakers get fired
and suddenly a bunch of hit pieces come out from
the same media that peddled the Russia hopes won't get
back their pultzers. They got pulchers for a bunch of lies. See,
this is what the media does. They take anonymous sources
from disgruntled former employees and then they try to slash
and burn people and ruin their reputation.

Speaker 11 (21:52):
And Pete Hegseth is right there. He is pushing back
against the media attacks because people that he fired for
leaking to the media are now attacking him. Okay, great,
but that's not really what's going on here.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
It's a level deeper.

Speaker 11 (22:09):
He knows that it's about the warmongers that never wanted him. Remember,
Pete hegg Seth was at a fifty to fifty vote.
Do you remember what we had to do on this program.
You remember the effort, the energy, the intensity, the vigor,
the spunk, the spirit, the mobilization. It was supposed to
be the era of good feelings. It was December, we

(22:29):
just won the election. I was in Palm Beach. You
guys were nicely supporting our program, and we felt as
if the fights were over. But no, we mobilized the cavalry.
We mobilized the infantry metaphorically, and we said Pete was
a red line and we said, oh, Joni Ernstein, don't
think you want to do this. And boyd did she
make a one to eighty very quickly. She did not

(22:49):
realize she touched the stove and realized it was scolding hot.
They did not want Pete hagg Seth all along because
they knew that he was not one of them, that
Pete hag Seth is actually a grass roots warrior number one,
number two. He's a fighters fighter, and he doesn't want
a war with Thron. That's why they try to take
him out then and now, and we have his back.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Michael Moles' next.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Welcome back to this Real America's Voice News Break. I'm
Terrence Bates. As the world continues to mourn Pope Francis's passing,
President Trump is ordering all US flags at the White House,
public buildings, and military installations to be flown at half staff.
He made the announcement in this True Social post, saying
the flag shall be flown at half staff for the

(23:41):
same length of time at all US embassies and consulates
abroad as well. The move is being taken quote as
a mark of respect for the memory of His holiness,
Pope Francis. Francis's death was announced early this morning. The
Vatican isn't being specific about his cause of death, but
we do know he suffered from very illnesses recently. Pope

(24:02):
Francis dead at eighty eight years old. Well wishes and
condolences from world leaders are flooding into our flooding and
excuse me for the pontiff. President Trump out with a
short tribute, saying on True Social rest in peace, Pope Francis.
May God bless him and all who loved him. King
Charles of England is remembering the pope quote contagious smile

(24:24):
and boundless compassion in this statement posted on x The
King goes on to write the Queen and I remember
him with particular affection our meetings with the Holiness over
the years, and we were greatly moved to have been
able to visit with him earlier in the month, and
just hours ago, Vice President Vance learned the news, writing,
I was happy to see him yesterday, though he was

(24:46):
obviously very ill. But I'll always remember him for the
below homily he gave in the very early days of COVID.
It was really quite beautiful. May God rest his soul,
he writes. Cardinals from around the world. Meantime, we're preparing
travel plans to the Vatican as we speak, in advance
of the first papal conclave in a decade. The conclave

(25:07):
is a secret meeting during which the next pope is
going to be elected. Eligible cardinals will be locked in
the secure area of the Vatican, typically the Assistine Chapel,
where they'll deliberate potentially for weeks until they reach a decision.
They won't be allowed to leave or communicate with the
outside world until the decision is made. There's a lot
at stake with the selection, not just for the one

(25:28):
more than one billion Catholics around the world, but also
when it comes to the Church's doctrine moving forward. Among
the names being floated as front runners to replace the
Pope Francis our sixty seven year old Luis Antonio Taglea
of the Philippines. That's a quick check of your head.

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Easter Monday, this news broke. It is Michael Knowles from
the Michael Moles Show. When I want guidance and wisdom
on all things Catholicism, I go to Michael Knowles.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Michael, great to see you, Charlie.

Speaker 26 (27:37):
It's great to be with you. I'm sorry that I
can't be on camera. The timing of this is really odd.
I was walking down this morning to the Easter egg
hunt at the White House and I got my whole
family with me at six o'clock in the morning, and
I see that the Holy Father has died, and I thought,
you know, of all the mornings to take off work,
this is probably one of the worst ones I could

(27:59):
have taken off. But Alas, I'm glad that I could
at least phone in because I think people are having
a lot of trouble processing the news. I mean, you
and I have talked about the Pope for years at
this point, and I'm not going to sugarcoat it. There
are plenty of conservatives and conservative Catholics have had a
lot of questions with Pope Francis and problems with some

(28:21):
of the things he's done, so there's no sugarcoating. But
I think when we consider his legacy, the most notable
aspect of it to me is that left right political
analysis doesn't totally map on to ancient institutions. That's kind
of my biggest takeaway with Pope Francis, because whenever we

(28:43):
think we can pin him down, we say, all right,
he's Argentinean, he comes from this kind of left wing
economic background. Then he'll come out and say something like
gay marriage is a machination of the father of lies
to deceive and used the children of God. You know,
every time we think he's going soft on some social issue,
he'll say abortion is an assassination, you know, abortionists or

(29:04):
hired assassins, and so you can't you can't really pin
him down. And I think part of the reason for
that is just the weight of the Catholic Church. You know,
It's just it's just been around for so long, and
so we can't are modern notions of politics, you know,
they take you as far as they take you. But
but it would be a disservice to to the man,

(29:25):
really to to try to just minimize him in that way.

Speaker 11 (29:30):
So he his passing was today, We've only lived through
three popes. I don't know how I'm guessing. I don't
know your age exactly, Michael, but yeah, three posts. You know,
I was gonna say, that's right, and just think about that,
I mean, rather monumental, how few popes there are. And
so let's get technical for a second. Michael. I, as

(29:51):
you know, am not Catholic. I'm an Evangelical. A lot
of respect for Catholics, and a lot of people that
I care about are Catholic. And you know, we know
a lot of good local Catholics here, including local father.
What is the College of Cardinals? What is about to happen?
So everyone meets in realm Sistine Chapel. Who's involved in it?
It's kind of a good old boys network, is what
I'm told. Did Pope Francis put a lot of his

(30:13):
allies in there?

Speaker 1 (30:15):
What?

Speaker 11 (30:16):
Just walk us through the technical details what we can
expect for the selection of a new pope because it
gets a little rusty here because we've only seen it
a couple times in our lifetime.

Speaker 26 (30:26):
That's true, and this what we're doing right now has
been happening for about two thousand years. Which is immediately
when the seat is vacant, they call it se dee becante.
When a pope dies, immediately everyone starts talking about who's
the next one going to be?

Speaker 5 (30:39):
How does this happen?

Speaker 26 (30:40):
So the cardinal Tamerlango comes out, this is this position
in the Vatican. He's announced the pope's death, and there
will be a period of about fifteen to no more
than twenty days of morning and then the College of
Cardinals is going to assemble. The cardinals are bishops who
are picked by the pope as sort of advisors and
have positions within the Vatican. Bishops under the age of

(31:03):
eighty can herb sorry, cardinals under the age of eighty
can vote for a pope in the College of Cardinals.
So they they're not only within the College of Cardinals,
but they're cardinal electors. They're all going to meet. They're
about I think about one hundred and eighty of them
right now who are eligible to vote. They're going to
go into the Sistine Chapel and then you're not going
to hear anything else the way that you're going to

(31:24):
know that they've picked a pope both through smoke coming
out of the Vaticans, so you know, classically you're looking
for the white smoke or the black smoke, and then
when when the right smoke comes up, then they're going
to say, abe mus Papa. So who's it going to be?
Because again, not to sugarcoat some of the questions that
have come up under the Francis Pontificate, a lot of
people are saying, is the next pope going to be

(31:47):
really liberal? Is he going to be is he going to,
I don't know, try to undermine the Catholic tradition or
something like that. And again, you know, it's really hard
to predict these things. But just because Pope France has
appointed now so many cardinals does not necessarily mean that
the cardinals are politically liberal or you know, I don't

(32:09):
know side with Pope Francis on this issue or that issue.
You know, a lot of these popes are in the
developing world, a lot of them are socially very very conservative.
And so the ones who are up for it right now.
One who's been talked about is Cardinal Pizza Bala. He's
the Latin patriarch of Jerusalem. That would be quite interesting

(32:30):
given what a touch point Jerusalem has been in the
Israel Gaza conflict. Another one who's up for it would
be Peter Urdo. He's in Hungary, also considered moderate to conservative.
There are a few who seem to be a little
bit more liberal. That would be Cardinal Zupi Zupi or Periline,

(32:51):
Cardinal Peroline. But again we don't really know. You know,
in some ways, it's kind of like the Supreme Court justices.
You know, Republican pick these Supreme Court justices and then
half of the time they go on and disappoint us.
They rule in ways that are totally different than we expected,
and that could happen, you know, as well with with popes.

(33:11):
I mean, just to use the example of John Paul
the Second everyone loves, don't forget. John Paul the Second
was a child of Vatican Two, of this major ecumenical council,
which resulted in all sorts of reforms that some of
the reforms that follow the Sego Vatican Council, some of
us think had some problems with them, especially those of

(33:32):
us who love the traditional Latin masks, the traditional liturgy.
And yet John Paul the Second and put Benedict for
that matter, you know, considered perhaps even more conservative. Both
of these guys come out of the Vatican Council, and
yet they become some of the most stalwart conservative seeming
figures of our lifetime. So I guess, getting back to
the top, that's what I mean when I say you
can't totally map this stuff on to left right politics.

(33:54):
And also you might think you've got a slam dunk
with whichever cardinal is going to be the next pope
doesn't have to be a cardinal, and technically I suppose
could be me, but no one's picked up to call me.
So you know, you think she might know what the
next pontificate is going to look like. Really, at this
point we have no idea.

Speaker 11 (34:13):
What do you want to see in the next pope?
I mean, obviously would help if he's Catholic, but what
what would you like to see? As far as the
advocacy internationally? You mentioned John Paul the Second. As I
was raised my grandmother, incredibly devout Catholic, wonderful person.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
We grew up talking about John.

Speaker 11 (34:33):
Paul the Second, about his moral clarity, about his uncompromising
views on the protective life, and honestly, how.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
He believed the West was the best.

Speaker 11 (34:44):
He was an articulate and effective critic of the Soviet Union.
Being the Polish pope, he was vehemently anti communist. He
made no he made no mystery or no mistake with that.
What would you like to see in the next pope?
And let's let's talk less regionally or less biographically, but

(35:06):
from a positional let's just say, from the position of
the pope, what would you like to see?

Speaker 24 (35:14):
Right?

Speaker 26 (35:14):
What's he good to do? You know, not that anyone's
called to ask me, however, but you have called to
ask me, so I'm happy to answer and maybe people
in the curia could listen. I think what would be
really helpful to the church in the next pope is
to have a pope who is not hostile to tradition,
to the traditional liturgy. You know, what we call the
Mass of the Age is the traditional Latin Mass. A

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lot of people think the traditional Latin Mass is just
the new Mass that we have, but in Latin that's
not true. To really different masses. The new Mass has
removed a lot of prayers. The New Mass actually could
be said in Latin, but usually is not. You know,
the reason I mentioned this is not just because I'm
a fuddyduddy and I have bow ties or something. It's
because there is so much beauty in this Mass that

(35:57):
endured substantially unchanged for about fourteen years.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
There's so much beauty that.

Speaker 26 (36:01):
It's attracting a lot of people back to the church.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
You're seeing that.

Speaker 26 (36:07):
You saw this in France. Just on Easter Sunday, you
had a record number of baptisms in the UK. Now
you've got this massive resurgence in the Catholic Church in England.
For goodness sake, so's the birthplade. This is the land
of Henry the eighth, and yet now Catholics are outnumbering Anglicans.
I mean, it's it's this unthinkable. I don't know what
you want to call it. Springtime for the church. A

(36:28):
lot of the people who are converting are converting not
because of innovations or electric guitars or something, but because
the old smells and bells. Yeah, listen, I play electric guitar.
I'm not totally of those electric guitars.

Speaker 11 (36:43):
The kidding you're onto something, you're on to something, You're
not wrong.

Speaker 26 (36:47):
I mean, they love I mean, I think you could
say this, Charlie, even from the evangelical perspective, where people
are returning, it's where they find orthodoxy. It's not where
they want more of the world, right. They want they
want something. They want something a little, a little higher
than the world, at least for Sunday morning. Well, yeah,
that would be what I would hope for in a pope.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (37:09):
And I'm going to talk about this in the last
segment here, which is especially young men. They see a
world consumed by evil and falling apart, and they want
one thing that hasn't changed in two thousand years.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
And they say, hey, that's this place.

Speaker 11 (37:21):
This place has lasted, and I know it's going to
last another two thousand years because it hasn't changed. So
that's what I want. Michael, in closing here, what is
a timeline? When can we expect a new pope? Would
you say? And I'm sure there'll be a lot of
coverage and drama at a room in the coming days
and weeks.

Speaker 26 (37:38):
Well, officially there's no campaigning, there's no jockey, and of
course the reality might differ from the official way it's
supposed to go. I could see us having it. I
bet we could have a pope within within three weeks,
or maybe just after three weeks. I don't think it's
going to take very long. I think that there could

(37:59):
be people have been expecting this now ever since, but
Francis's most recent illness, so I think things are going
to move rather quickly. I think the number of cardinals
who are really too popula is pretty small. I think
you could basically count them on one hand. So I
don't think it's going to be long now. I mean,
just as young people are returning to the church because

(38:20):
they want stability, they want order, they want orthodoxy. Yes,
I think the Vatican want some stability too, and so
I think it's going to happen fast.

Speaker 11 (38:29):
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Mulls Show and we will be praying for you.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Guys.

Speaker 11 (38:35):
Hope a good decision is made and someone that leads
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(42:32):
to talk about this story here from the New York Post.
I think it's very interesting and instructive in a variety
of ways. Young people are converting to Catholicism on Moss,
driven by pandemic internet and lax alternatives. First of all,
I see this happening on the ground. In fact, I'm
in a group chat with some amazing Protestant evangelical pastors.
I said, guys, this is a trend that's happening. Are

(42:53):
you seeing it? They all agreed that young men in
particular are joining the Catholic Church even more so than
the evangelical time churches in the local area. Some pastors
had some theories, including my friend Pastor James Cadiz, which
I think he was spot on with saying that young
people like the liturgy and that they're very disappointed in
the wokeism and the liberalism of a lot of the

(43:13):
evangelical churches. But let me go a little a step
further and build this out. There is so little tradition
today that people seek it out. Our society is increasingly ugly.
Go to a shopping mall. Do any of those buildings
elevate you? Go to the local McDonald's. We used to

(43:33):
be a country that even the local convenience store was
built with the intent that it wanted to lift up
the people that would shop there. The town hall or
the town center, for example, get you know, get a
picture of Prescott, Arizona's town center to city hall.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Just an example, just.

Speaker 11 (43:53):
To get an example of any one of these old
Western towns what they used to build. And again Blake
would know these examples better than I would. There's hundreds
of them. Now, when we build a city council, if
you guys could this is get Arlington Heights City Hall, Illinois.
And contrast that with the Prescott Arizona City Hall. Yes,
get Prescott Arizona. This is the Yava Pie Courthouse. That's

(44:15):
a beautiful building. It's built with Roman columns, so it's
a courthouse, so it's supposed to resemble structure order, so
that it's built with a lot of rigidity, but it
still lifts you up, with the highest thing being the flag. Now,
contrast that with the Arlington Heights City Hall, which might
as well just be the Department of ag Actually, that's

(44:35):
more beautiful than I remember, but not as inspiring. At
least they have a clock tower to their defense. Good pulldough, guys.
That's a much more that's a much more appealing picture
than actually it's actually a huge parking garage. It's hard
not to feel like evangelicalism is very shallow in the
comparison to an ancient liturgy and to be honest. The

(45:04):
trend that we are seeing is a very positive one.
People are seeking tradition, and what I hear from young
people in particular is they say everything is changing. I
don't need a worship song with electric guitar and smoke.
I want to feel holy and to be perfectly honest.
It's a learning lesson for a lot of pastors I

(45:25):
talk to. If you are not creating an environment where
the people that come to your church can find holiness
and meaning and can be elevated.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
You're not doing your job.

Speaker 11 (45:40):
There was a time in the nineties where people were
hungry for a personal encounter with God, and Evangelicalism I
think offers that better than some Catholicism circles. Maybe that's
to be debated, but times change and needs an appetites change.
And I could tell you on Saturday evening, I wanted
to honor Our Lord night before the Resurrection, so I

(46:02):
knew the local Catholic church was doing an Easter vigil.
Mind you, this goes from eight pm to midnight. An
Easter vigil is a very long standing tradition in the
Catholic Church, where they read basically almost the entire body.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
They read from most the whole Bible.

Speaker 11 (46:15):
I go there and I couldn't find a seat at
ten pm at night on a Saturday night, and over
half the people there were people my age. It was
like a selfie line just trying to get in there.
Everyone knew they followed the show. I said, is this
a turning point rally or is this an Easter vigil
the night before our Lord Again? I'm not Catholic, but
I went there because when I walk into that specific
Catholic church, it points up. It's not a costco with

(46:40):
a rock band and a ted talk and good coffee.
To be honest, I've had enough of that. I don't
want to go to Sam's Club to go to church
or a school gym. Kind of enjoyed the holiness, the beauty,
the pageantry, the structure, the tradition of the reverence. So
I totally get it. God bless those churches for elevating
our soul. Second hour coming up.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
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Speaker 11 (52:23):
Okay, everybody, welcome back. Email us is always freedom at
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A lot to discuss here. But as you know, I

(52:44):
went on Bill Maher's program last week. I have never
done marijuana my life, but I don't know if I
could say that anymore so now when I go to
these college campuses'll say, have Charlie, have you ever smoked weed?
I'm like, well, not directly, but very well by secondhand smoke.
What was your reaction to my conversation with Bill Maher?
I thought it was very friendly, It was very cordial

(53:07):
and in some ways very hopeful, Alex your thoughts.

Speaker 29 (53:11):
Yeah, totally agree. Good for you for going on, Charlie,
you're cornering the market for actually talking to the other side,
which is which is nice. It's the it's a great
spot to be in. If I interviewed you, my first
question was going to be did you get a contact high?
It's one of these things out here in California, that is,
it's a real thing.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
Because I've never spoke weed also, so I don't.

Speaker 26 (53:30):
I think you.

Speaker 29 (53:31):
Now have officially had a half a time, So I
think one half of a time. I think you can
say if anyone asked, my.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
Reaction is very positive.

Speaker 11 (53:39):
For the record, I did not inhale.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
That's right. It's worked before.

Speaker 29 (53:43):
That excuse has worked before in the past, people have
gotten away with it. So my reaction is very positive.
I'm glad you're doing it. I'm glad he's doing this.
So in general, I'm in the camp that mars stick.
He's got a couple of sticks, but one of them
is he's saying all the stuff that folks like you
and me and Steve and all that Donald Trump were
saying eight ten years ago, and people are talking about

(54:04):
him like he's a genius for saying them, and I
do find that a little irritating and frustrating. But he
does have one other stick that I love, which is
he literally is the only person who's talking to all
people of every political angle.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
I know you would talk to them, Charlie.

Speaker 29 (54:18):
I know I would talk to them on my show,
but they don't tend to show up for whatever reason.
He's figured out a way to get all these people
to show up and talk to him of all these
different viewpoints, and it is a terrific product that he
puts out because of that. And it's not that he's
so amazing, even though he's of course got some skills,
but his ability to bring people in is a skill
in and of itself, and you've absolutely got to hand

(54:40):
it to him for that. And it makes it so
that you're able to get deeper on conversations and topics
that you're just not going to be able to do
in a two minute sound bit iter people talking past
each other on social media. So I'm glad you're doing it,
and I'm glad that.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
This could be hopefully open up some doors for some people.

Speaker 11 (54:57):
Yeah, and we have later in the hour, Frank Turrek
to die deeper into the apologetics christian side of the discussion,
which a lot of our discussion was centered around Christianity.
Let's just play one piece of tape here, and then
I want to get into some of the news of
the day, because we did talk a lot about Garcia.
That was a big portion of my conversation with Bill Maher.

(55:18):
Let's play a little funny one. Let's play cut one
twenty three.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
No, I'm good, thank you.

Speaker 7 (55:24):
You don't drink no, of course, smoke pot no, and
you're married and super Christian.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
We're going to go along great, this.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Is this is going to just be perfect.

Speaker 11 (55:33):
And we did get along great. It's a good example
of how we can heal the country. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
And I do like that you guys got along.

Speaker 29 (55:41):
I think it's a good thing because for me, I'm
an information guy and I am ideologically conservative.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
I'm a Catholic, I'm a Christian.

Speaker 29 (55:49):
It's the I've been a Republican for my whole life,
even though that's been hard sometimes. But I will tell you, Charlie,
what animates me more as a newsperson is what's next,
what's coming down the pie, what's exciting, what interesting conversations
are being had, and so I want more of that.
I don't need agreement to this world will be incredibly
uninteresting if people only agreed.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
So if there's.

Speaker 29 (56:10):
A new willingness to talk amongst people who do not
have your same viewpoint or lifestyle. You have children, he's
twice your age and no children. I mean, there's so
many differences, but it does make for an interesting conversation.
I'm just sad to see it's so infrequent. It really
is still too infrequent. This is, unfortunately the exception and
not the rule. But let's make it the rule. Let's

(56:31):
make it the rule that we actually start talking to
each other again. But also, I think some of what
he's doing there with the substances is stick. I think
he's trying to draw you out. I think Rogan does
this to some degree with people. I don't Was he
getting drunk and high while he was there? I know
he was sipping on stuff, but.

Speaker 11 (56:44):
Oh yeah, no, no, no, yeah, it was, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
It was.

Speaker 11 (56:47):
It was quite a exhibit in hedonism.

Speaker 29 (56:51):
Oh really, that's because I always feel like I asked
this because my friend Robert Dobby right for us sometimes
who I'm sure you're aware of who's an actor from
a lot of things die Hard among other things. He
used to hang out with a lot of the wrap
pack guys. I always asked him, were they always just
getting completely loaded or was that part of part of
part of an image, And he said it was a mix.
It was they were drinking, but it was exaggerated for

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the sake of storytelling.

Speaker 11 (57:16):
So so Alex now transitioning to mister Abrego Garcia Kim's.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
Favorite Maryland resident.

Speaker 11 (57:25):
Yeah, Maryland Dad, the Maryland man, the upstanding citizen. Where
does this whole situation stand and what is your analysis
of it?

Speaker 29 (57:33):
So what's interesting about this case is that I think
both sides is a rorshack test. Both sides think they're
going to win this thing. We see it as these
people are lunatics. They are all in for MS thirteen,
meaning the Democrats. They're going down there with the have
Margarita's with MS thirteen members. It's this case where he's
got all these people in the car with him, and

(57:55):
noe's got any luggage and it is clearly involved in
human smuggling that appears to be adding to his resume.
Makes you feel as though that how could the Democrats
possibly get the upper hand on this, but that's not
really the game they're playing. The game they're playing is
they're trying to trip up Donald Trump and Steven Miller
and the people who are setting policy for the White
House and trying to get them to cross one of

(58:17):
these judges to have some sort of a constitutional crisis
to creating narrative that will allow for them to win
in the midterms and then start the impeachments and Trump's
presidency is going to be completely curtailed by the left
wing hysteria and legal activism and law fair. That's the
game they're playing. They're not really living for just this
new cycle. They're trying to lay out a strategy that
will eventually lead to an impeachment for Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (58:39):
So let's not get too cocky.

Speaker 29 (58:40):
I know they look insane defending MS thirteen today, but
we've got to be pretty vigilant here because if Trump
makes one false move here, they're trying to come up
with a strategy that leads to his, if not outright removal,
at least waste all his time.

Speaker 11 (58:53):
Yeah, so I think that's right. I think that's really
appropriate prudence. What do you make of the calamity in
the judicial branch. There is a school of thought this
is look, the Trump administration, just fill out the forms,
request him back. In quotes Bokel will say no, that'll
satisfy the courts, and this issue will largely be put

(59:13):
to rest. It keeps on living because of the numerous
court interventions around this case.

Speaker 29 (59:20):
Yeah, it's a great question because I'm generally a don't
give an inch guy, But I do feel like I
would kind of love to see them bring him back
and then just deport them again, because they would and
they could. Miller said as much, and he could be
deported for any reason.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
So I don't know.

Speaker 29 (59:34):
Maybe this morning I'm leaning towards towards do that, But
in general, until you just brought it up just now,
I do like that don't give an inch approach. Who
cares about these people, who cares about left wing media.
There was nothing wrong that was done in terms of
the law, but the left things there's some sort of
a hold order that Trump is violating here. And Trump
has not crossed one of these law fier judges yet.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
He's not done anything illegal.

Speaker 29 (59:57):
He does not, And I think that's a really wise
strategy for now. But it's also Charlie, what we're seeing
is not sustainable. They can't have a six hundred and
seventy five presidents of the United States who are doubling
his district court judges, who have a veto over everything
Donald Trump does.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
We can't do.

Speaker 29 (01:00:14):
That for the next seven to eight, seven or eight years,
however long Trump's going to remain as president.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
So yes, So.

Speaker 11 (01:00:24):
Let's play a piece of tape here from Yeah, let's
play cut ninety seven.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Please, who did pay for this trip?

Speaker 9 (01:00:32):
This was an officially clear you know, congressional trip clears yes,
like every other trip.

Speaker 11 (01:00:41):
And then let's put one seventy two up on screen.
This shows that again apparently so gang tattoos work in
MS thirteen style.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Tattoo right on his hands.

Speaker 11 (01:00:54):
And so Alex, your message is caution here, understand the
bigger picture. Please elaborate one final time and I got
a one minute.

Speaker 22 (01:01:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:01:04):
I just feel like this is one where in the
short term we got to emphasize the Democrats are cornered
here defending all of them S. Thirteen, and they're of
course defending illegal alien gang members over American citizens. Continuing
Trump continuing to have the Angel moms out there. Make
them surrogates in this regard, I think is really important
and it's a great move, but just.

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
Know that the main goal. They're not dumb.

Speaker 29 (01:01:25):
They're foolish sometimes, but they're not dumb on the left,
and they're trying to get Trump administration to violate some
sort of directive from a court that could lead towards
political momentum towards impeachment. And so just keep that in
mind that they're not doing this without an endgame in mind.
They are I think we can beat them at this.
I think we are beating them. But let's just not
not be too over zealous.

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Email us as always Freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com
and Alexmarlow from Breitbart and the Salem Radio Network is
with us. So I want to place a piece of
tape here and get your analysis Alex, which it's easy
to dismiss this. David Hogg, you know in FI with
jakeem Jeffries not just kickem Jeffries as rabble rousing. And

(01:05:04):
of course I did a hit with Will Caine on
Fox News. I said, look, it's probably a breakdown of
fiduciary duty. But understand was our party made stronger because
of some of the primary challenges we did the last decade.
You see Democrats they've come into a mentality the last
couple of years, no primaries doesn't matter, if it's no
matter who vote blue. Let's play cut one oh six,
and then I want your take on is the Democrat

(01:05:27):
Party trying to get more based play cut one oh six.

Speaker 18 (01:05:32):
David hag who I know, you know, a vice chair
of the Democratic National Committee. He's going to be joining
us on the roundtable and he is pursuing this effort
to unseat some Democrats in safe seats through primary challenges.

Speaker 19 (01:05:46):
But I look forward to standing behind every single Democratic incumbent,
from the most progressive to the most centrist, in all
points in between.

Speaker 29 (01:05:57):
Alex your thoughts, Yeah, it's really because we and the
Republican Party benefited greatly from a civil war that took place,
and the history is just just really important here because
remember when Mitt Romney lost. I think he spent like
three billion dollars on that campaign, and we thought he
had a good chance. Remember, Charlie, he basically took a
walk on the last debate with Obama because he thought

(01:06:17):
he won. He just agreed with Obama on everything in
the last debate, and then he got his clock cleaned.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
And we were.

Speaker 29 (01:06:22):
All sitting around thinking what we got to do, and
the Republican establishment told us we need to embrace amnesty,
ambassy for legal aliens. That's what it was going to
take for us to win elections, and a lot of us,
myself included, said we're not going to do that. And
that's where places like breit Barton. It led to the
rise of Trump starts saying we're going to crack down
on this stuff. We're going to complete opposite direction, and
we don't care if a civil war breaks out because

(01:06:44):
this is a hill to die on.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
And it worked out incredibly.

Speaker 29 (01:06:47):
I mean, if you had told me that after the
twenty twelve autopsy that we did Donald Trump in four
years and then Donald Trump again four years after that,
I mean I or eight years after that. I mean,
you wouldn't believe it. But it worked out for us. Now,
the problem is who would win a civil war with
the Democrats. It'd probably be the insane people because they've
got the most energy. They inspire the donors, so you
get this sort of dark woke that is what they're

(01:07:10):
talking about, where they're really leaning into the woke stuff.
Even though we think woke is over, Charlie, they don't
all feel that way. So if they have a civil war,
I think it might actually hurt them. But you know what,
if they want to try it, they might need to
because their leadership is so lame and weak right now.

Speaker 11 (01:07:27):
And so there's something of note here that we don't
want to ignore. I was just in Boise, Idaho, and
we drew a big crowd. I mean, you know, to
go to bate a bunch of college kids to draw
three thousand people that's big. However, you have to be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
You got to tell it like it is.

Speaker 11 (01:07:42):
The night before Bernie and AOC, they drew twelve thousand
people in Boise. It's a big number. Now, I understand
that area, that part of the world doesn't get a
lot of attention. It's kind of like what happens when
we go to California. When you're so in the ideological minority,
you tend to draw out anyone that's like minded, because
there really is nothing of the sort but people, and
Boise is real. They were drawing big crowds all across

(01:08:03):
the West. What do you make about the AOC of
the AOC Bernie combination. Is this a robust grassroots populist
counter to MAGA or is it basically the Democrats continuing
on their ultra radical policies and something that we should
encourage more of happening.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
Well, Bernie's a total fraud.

Speaker 29 (01:08:24):
He wouldn't even support the Democrats that he got along
with when Trump put them up for confirmation, which is
another genius move by Trump. Not only did he pick
the best people for his cabinet, but he picked Democrats
specifically to expose the senators who act like their anti establishment,
but their pure establishment.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
Bernie's always been that way.

Speaker 29 (01:08:39):
He's got a bunch of houses, he's a rich guy,
and then he acts like he's a socialist. But there
is an AstroTurf here which might comfort the audience a
little bit, which is a lot of them are trying
to piggyback off of musical acts, so they'll get the
musicians out who people want to see, and then they'll
pack on at AOC or Bernie Sanders speech. So I
don't really buy the twelve thousand number. But that said,
we should go to the d and act as though

(01:09:01):
they're building a robust grassroots resistance that isn't just Soros
funded stuff. Likes a lot of the Tesla stuff, and
a lot of are reporting this group Indivisible that's very networked,
or the new Arabella Advisors where they're just funding everything.
We got to act like they're going to get organized
and they're going to come back, and they're going to
mount to come back. We got to act like we're't
a war footing. We're not in peace time yet, we're

(01:09:22):
more time. We should behave that way. But if you
want a comfort, I don't think the twelve thousand numbers. Legit, Charlie.
Your three thousand number is legit and very impressive. I'm
loving the college stuff, absolutely incredible content, and good for
you for doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Thank you.

Speaker 11 (01:09:34):
In fact, we're doing more campus tour stops this semester
than even during the election. We are in a twenty
four to seven three sixty five mentality. Elections are merely
just moments in a broader cultural conflict. Alex, You're the
best plug whatever you want to our audience.

Speaker 29 (01:09:50):
Alex Marlow Show and the Salem Podcast Network, so that's
the wherever you get your podcasts, and leaving a nice
review is always good as well.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
But anytime you need me, Charlie, I'm here for you.

Speaker 11 (01:10:00):
Thanks Alex so much, really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Thank you.

Speaker 11 (01:10:05):
Do you have enough faith to be an atheist? I
sat down with Bill Maher. We discussed everything from the
Resurrection to the Book of Acts.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
My friend Frank.

Speaker 11 (01:10:16):
Turek is the best when it comes to Christian apologetics.
We're going to walk through my Bill Maher discussion and
add on to it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Terrence by two with your Real America's Voice news break.
Thanks so much for being here with us. The world
is mourning the death of Pope Francis, who passed away
while you were sleeping. He was eighty eight years old.
The Pontiff had been in failing health and had just
been discharged from the hospital recently after a near deadly infection.
The death comes less than twenty four hours after Vice

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President Jadie Vance met with the leader of the Catholic
Church at the Vatican on Easter Sunday.

Speaker 14 (01:10:57):
I know you've not been feeling greater, but it's good
to see.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
General Vance and his family also observed Eastern Mass at
one of the four Pontifical basilicas in Rome. The Vice
President is Catholic after converting in twenty nineteen. Pope Francis,
by the way, was the first Latin American leader of
the Roman Catholic Church. The eyes of the world will
remain on the Vatican until white smoke billows from the

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chimney of the Sistine Chapel, indicating the papal conclave has
selected a new leader. By the way, we're also just
learning that President Trump is expected to attend Pope Francis's
funeral later on this week. Also, the President is ordered
that all flags be flown at half staff on federal
buildings as well as at the White House in memory

(01:11:43):
of the Pope. The US Supreme Court rules to block
the Trump administration from deporting a group of Venezuelan migrants
until further notice. The bigger story may be the scathing
descent from Justice Samuel Alito, though his colleagues on the
High Court reached the emergency ruling in the early morning
hours of this past Easter weekend, which Alito questions in

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his response, writing in some literally in the middle of
the night, the Court issued the unprecedented and legally questionable
relief without giving the lower courts a chance to rule,
without hearing from the opposing party, within eight hours of
receiving the application, with dubious factual support for its order,
and without providing any explanation for its order. Justice Clarence

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Thomas joined Alito in his descent. The case was brought
by the American Civil Liberties Union, arguing that dozens of
Venezuelans faced imminent deportation without an opportunity to plead their
cases in court. Meantime, issues like President Trump's policies on deportations,
along with mass government firings in the wars in Gazian

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Ukraine motivated protesters across the country to take to the
streets this past weekend. That's a quick check off your headlines.
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As you know, I joined the Bill Maher program last
week and it aired yesterday and our full annotated version
will be out tomorrow. And my very good friend Frank
Turek took a lot of time, about two hours out
of probably three hours out of his schedule to watch
the entire thing and give his feedback on things that
we could add on top of it on how we

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can best defend our faith. Frank, great to see you
and thank you for taking the time and happy belated Easter.

Speaker 30 (01:15:15):
Yeah, Charlie, you took the right approach with Bill. You
were very kind to him. You could have said a
lot more, but as you say, when you're on a podcast,
somebody else's podcast, you want to give him the benefit
of the doubt.

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
You just you want to get a.

Speaker 30 (01:15:27):
Few points in, but you don't want to make it
a monologue as to why the guy's wrong.

Speaker 11 (01:15:32):
Well, thank you, and it was. It was not an
interesting environment to be in, to say the least.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
So let's go to this one.

Speaker 11 (01:15:42):
Let me see here, let's go to I don't know
if we actually have Okay, let's play cut one twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
I'd love your reaction, Frank, I'm going.

Speaker 6 (01:15:52):
To take something that is so anti intellectual, even though
I can argue like an.

Speaker 11 (01:15:57):
Antil, however, but you have to acknowledge even the greatest
minds of history have been mesmerized by the scriptures. Isaac Newton,
Thomas aquinas well. Isaac Newton wrote more about biblical prophecy
than even physics. And so there's something about the scriptures
that are intellectual that does push your limits. And that's
what I think is so beautiful about our faith as

(01:16:18):
it can be accessible to everyone, but also infinitely nourishing
an exploration. Frank, are the scriptures anti intellectual?

Speaker 5 (01:16:27):
No, not at all.

Speaker 30 (01:16:28):
In fact, the Bible continually tells us to give reasons
for what we believe, and of course even Yahweh in
the Old Testament says, come let us reason together. You know, Charlie,
one of the things that atheists cannot answer, cannot actually give.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
A cause for, is reason itself.

Speaker 30 (01:16:45):
I mean, if we're just molecules in motion, if we're
just molecular machines, if we're nothing but moist robots, which
is the common view of most materialists today, most atheists today,
then they shouldn't even believe any thing they think because
every thought they have is the result of the laws
of physics.

Speaker 5 (01:17:04):
They're not really thinking, they're reacting.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
And C. S.

Speaker 30 (01:17:07):
Lewis pointed this out brilliantly in so many of his works,
that if materialism's true, there's no way to even justify thinking.
There's no way to justify reason. And if you can't
justify thinking, you can't call a Christian anti intellectual because
you haven't, as an atheist even explained our ability to think.

Speaker 11 (01:17:27):
And reason, and so Frank. One of the contentions that
Bill marmade is that listen, Christianity, it's just a counterfeit
of all these other Middle Eastern religions Osiris and all
this virgin birth and raise from the dead. This is
a story that is appropriated, and Christianity just copied other
religions in the Middle East. How would you react to that, Well.

Speaker 30 (01:17:49):
We have a whole section and I don't have enough
faith to be an atheist about that. It's just not true.
Just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean it's true. Okay,
about the only dying and right God prior to Christianity
was a Cyrus from Egypt, and that wasn't a resurrection
into a new body. That was a kind of ethereal

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resurrection into the underworld. That's not what the New Testament's
talking about. In fact, almost all of these supposed dying
and rising gods come after Christianity, not before. So if
anyone's copying from anyone, it's not Christianity copying from Pagan
Resurrection Miss. It's the Pagan Resurrection miss copying from Christianity.

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
But you know, I C. S.

Speaker 30 (01:18:34):
Lewis also pointed out, just because you have a parallel
between two stories doesn't mean one is copied from another.
In fact, there was a there was a ship Charlie.
I don't know if you've heard about it. It made
its maiden voyage from the UK back in the early
nineteen hundreds. It hit an iceberg, a lot of people died,

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and of course you're going to say, well, Frank, of
course that was the Titanic. Well, actually it was actually
a novel from I think eighteen ninety eight called The Futility,
and it predated the Titanic. Just by chance, nobody would say, well,
the Titanic story then must be copied from this novel

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called Futility. It just happened to be that there were parallels.
So parallels don't necessarily prove that one is copying from
another anyway.

Speaker 11 (01:19:24):
And look, for example, a lot of the religions that
overlap with Christianity, the overlap lines up with Christianity's rise,
so they're just copying it. Like in Norse mythology, for example,
there's a god Balder who dies and comes back and
creates a paradise after an apocalypse. But almost certainly this
part of the myth was influenced by the spread of
Christianity and was written down only in the Middle Ages.

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Another thing that Bill Maher mentioned in the discussion. And
I didn't even know how to process this, I mean
in real time, Frank, I knew that this school of
thought existed, but I thought it was only on Reddit
or discord channel, not in agreed upon high scholarly thinking.
Did Jesus Christ actually exist?

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Frank Turrek that.

Speaker 30 (01:20:11):
If there is one or two scholars out of many thousands,
Charlie in academia today who study this kind of material,
And I'm not talking about you know, Bible believing Christians.
There are atheists or New Testament scholars. If there's one
or two out there, it's a lot who say Jesus
never existed.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
I mean, think about this, Charlie.

Speaker 30 (01:20:31):
Jesus inarguably is the most influential human being to ever
walk the earth.

Speaker 5 (01:20:40):
How could he possibly have never existed.

Speaker 30 (01:20:43):
It would be like somebody two thousand years from now
saying Luke Skywalker is the most influential human being to
ever walk the earth. Nobody two thousand years from now
is going to take a fictitious character and say that.

Speaker 5 (01:20:57):
Person is the most influential human.

Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
Being on the earth.

Speaker 30 (01:21:00):
Not only that, but there are non Christian sources. And
you began to talk about this a little bit in
your interview with Bill Charlie. You didn't get a chance
to complete the thought. But there are at least ten
ancient non Christian sources within one hundred and fifty years
of Jesus's life that mentioned Jesus and or the Apostles,
people like Josephus, Suetonius, Thallas, Flayguy.

Speaker 11 (01:21:23):
I forgot, I screwed up Herodotus and Josephus.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
But thank you.

Speaker 11 (01:21:27):
But that's a big one. Remind the audience who Josephus was.
That's an extra biblical account of Jesus's life, non biblical.

Speaker 30 (01:21:36):
Josephus lived from thirty seven AD to about one hundred AD,
and he wrote several books related to the Jews, once
called Antiquities and others called It's about the Jewish War
is another one, and he mentioned Jesus.

Speaker 5 (01:21:50):
He mentioned John the Baptist.

Speaker 30 (01:21:52):
He mentions that James, the half brother of Jesus, is
killed as a martyr. He's the pastor of the church
in Jerusalem and he's kild in sixty two AD. The Sanhedrin,
the Jewish ruling council threw him off the Temple mount
and then they stoned him to death.

Speaker 5 (01:22:09):
Now this is the same.

Speaker 30 (01:22:09):
Guy, by the way, Charlie, who wrote that little book
in the New Testament called James. He's also the same
guy who did not believe his brother was God before
the resurrection. But then James had Jesus appear to him,
and that's why he converted, and that's why he was
later executed by the Jews. So Josephus has a lot

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of great information on some.

Speaker 5 (01:22:32):
Of the New Testament events.

Speaker 30 (01:22:34):
But let me hasten to say this, Charlie, the best
evidence for Jesus is in what we call the New
Testament documents. And you don't have to assume that they
are inspired to get good historical information out of them.
Even atheist like bart Erman, who teaches here where I
am at in North Carolina, unc Chapel Hill, he admits

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that Jesus existed.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
He said, probably one.

Speaker 30 (01:22:57):
Of the most attested to facts from ancient Hill is
the crucifixion of Jesus. Of course, he doesn't believe in
the resurrection, but there's virtually no scholars out there who
say Jesus never rose from the dead or I should
say never existed, which is why when Bill tried to
say that.

Speaker 11 (01:23:11):
It's and the other one, which I didn't quite grasp
And I did find that there was a school of
thought out there that exists, but very fringe. That Paul
was talking about a spiritual Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
That Paul I just thought, I thought my head.

Speaker 11 (01:23:25):
I mean, First Corinthians, he talked about will we will
say that Jesus rose from the dead and that Jesus
appeared to five hundred believers. Where does this come from?
And is there any merit to the argument that Paul
was somehow not connected to or he thought Jesus was
just the spiritual celestial being.

Speaker 30 (01:23:44):
No, because Paul makes it very clear that he's talking
about a resurrected body, a body that comes out of
the tomb. It would have been easy to say Jesus
resurrected spiritually. Then you wouldn't have to you know, he
could his body could still be in the tomb, and
you can still say, oh, he resurrect and spiritually.

Speaker 5 (01:24:01):
But that wasn't the case.

Speaker 30 (01:24:02):
Jesus's tomb was empty, and it would have been easy
to squash Christianity if it wasn't empty, because both the
Romans and the Jews, who didn't want Christianity to succeed,
would have gone to the right tomb and taken out
his body. They didn't do it because his body wasn't
in there. So no, this was a physical resurrection. And

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that's what made it so crazy to the Greeks because
they didn't think. They didn't think anyone would want to
have their body raised. They wanted to be liberated from
the body. So when Paul is talking on on now
Mars Hill, as recorded in Acts seventeen, and he's bringing
up a physical resurrection, these guys over there are incredulous.
You know, they're going, we don't want that, We want
to be liberated from the body. No, this was a

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physical resurrection. Christianity only makes sense if that's the case.

Speaker 11 (01:24:51):
The book is I don't have enough faith to be
an atheist. And Frank, I want you to sign one
for Bill. Next time I see him, I'm going to
give him a copy and say you have an obligation
to read this bill super quick. About thirty seconds here, Frank,
and we have another segment coming up. Remind the audience
of the great work that Cross Examine does and plug
the book as well.

Speaker 30 (01:25:09):
Yeah, absolutely, Cross Examined dot org. We go to college
campuses as well, Charlie. We're nearly always talking about why
I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. We're
giving evidence that Christianity is true. Then we take questions.
We have a YouTube channel, cross Examined two words at YouTube,
and we also have a podcast called I.

Speaker 5 (01:25:27):
Don't have Enough Faith to be an Atheist.

Speaker 30 (01:25:28):
So we're going to college campuses, high school's churches, presenting
the evidence that Christianity is true and taking a lot
of questions. We have over twenty five hundred videos on
our YouTube channel. Most of them are Q and A
videos from the college campus.

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I first came aware of Frank on public access television
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Speaker 11 (01:29:01):
Another contention that he made was that the Holy Spirit
was not mentioned until three hundred years later. I don't
know if you caught this in part of the interview
where he said, well, the Holy Spirit's a concept that
came hundreds of years later. I actually think I did
a pretty good job of interjecting and correcting the record.
It's clearly not true. The Spirit is actually mentioned all
the way back into the Old Testament, but primarily we

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see that in the Baptism of Christ our Lord, where
it was Jesus Christ, the Spirit came upon him, and
God the Father said, this is my son and whom
I am pleased. Is there any truth to that, truth.

Speaker 4 (01:29:35):
To what you said? What he said?

Speaker 30 (01:29:37):
In fact, it's all over the New Testament, and as
you mentioned.

Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
Even the Old Testament.

Speaker 30 (01:29:41):
I mean, the Holy Spirit comes upon the believers at Pentecost,
which as one of the most accurate. But I mean,
I think all the books are accurate, but the one
of the most verifiable books in the New Testament is
the Book of Acts, Charlie. And in our book, yeah,
you did, because both Luke and written by Luke, and

(01:30:01):
Luke is an historian, a first rank. That was even
admitted by an archaeologist by the name of Sir William Ramsay,
who initially was skeptical of luc one hundred years ago.
Then he spent twenty years studying Luke, and he said,
Luke is an historian, a first rank. And if you
go through the Book of Acts, there are eighty four
historically eyewitness confirmable details that only an eyewitness or somebody

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that knew an eyewitness would know. Just in the Book
of Acts, Charlie, we list them all. And I don't
have enough faith to be an atheist. So the Holy
Spirit is all over the documents. And as you pointed
out in your rebuttal video or response video that you
released earlier today or maybe it was yesterday with Bill Maher,
even the I mean, the date of the documents is important,

(01:30:48):
but what's more important are the sources for the documents, Charlie.
As you explain, if you were to write a book
or I woure to write a book about nine to
eleven right now, which is about twenty three years ago,
it's more important that I'm interviewing people who saw it.
That's more important than the date I'm writing it down
right now in twenty twenty five. And that's what goes

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on with the New Testament.

Speaker 5 (01:31:10):
The date.

Speaker 30 (01:31:12):
It's the dates of these of these books are written
during the lifetime of the eyewitnesses by eyewitnesses or people
that knew eyewitnesses, because they proved it by putting data
in the text that only an eyewitness would know.

Speaker 5 (01:31:24):
But they're actually interviewing people.

Speaker 30 (01:31:26):
If they weren't eyewitnesses themselves, like Luke wasn't, they were
interviewing people that were there and they're still alive when
they're writing it. So this is eyewitness testimony. This material
is telling us really what happened. And by the way, Charlie,
they had no motive to make it up. They didn't
get sex, they didn't get money, they didn't get power.
All they got as former believers in Yahweh, just Jewish

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believers in Yahweh is they got kicked out of the synagogue.
They got beaten, tortured and killed. That's why I thought
your question when you asked him why would they fake
the resurrection was brilliant and he really didn't have a
response because there is no answer. Why would they fake
this to get themselves abused?

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
They wouldn't.

Speaker 11 (01:32:09):
In closing here, Frank, what from my conversation Bill, more broadly,
how should Christians share the Gospel? I try to take
a more gentle touch. I wanted to develop a relationship
with Bill. It was tempting to kind of go all
in and go heavy apologetics and a little fingerwat wagging.
Just speak as someone who does this for a living.

(01:32:30):
And closing here about a minute half remaining the different
approaches that we as believers should bring to unusual circumstances
to point towards Jesus.

Speaker 30 (01:32:39):
Well, I think both you and I try and take
the approach where we don't want to try and own people.

Speaker 5 (01:32:44):
We want to gently.

Speaker 30 (01:32:45):
Correct them and ask them a lot of questions because
we want them walking away going I want to know more.
We don't want them walking away from it from a
interaction with us to say, oh, man, I hated that guy.

Speaker 5 (01:32:58):
He made me look bad. You don't want to do that.
You want to try and win people.

Speaker 30 (01:33:02):
Look, Charlie, as you know, when somebody asks you a question,
you're not just answering a question, you're answering a person,
and so you want to provide an opening.

Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
For the next conversation.

Speaker 30 (01:33:15):
And what I try and ask people is if Christianity
were true, would you become a Christian?

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
And Charlie, I've had atheist stand.

Speaker 30 (01:33:22):
At the microphone in front of hundreds of people on
college campuses and say no because they don't want it
to be true. So I think that clears the deck
of all the objections they could have. So I always
ask that question. You asked a similar question to Bill.
You asked him, Hey, do you hope you were wrong?

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
That kind of thing. That's what we need to take.

Speaker 30 (01:33:40):
We need to ask people questions, and we shouldn't expect
people to agree with us. We should just ask questions,
make points, and really highlight grace, Charlie, because grace is
what people are looking for. Look, there's only two things
you're gonna get right afterlife. You're either gonna get justice
or grace. There's no other category.

Speaker 11 (01:33:58):
Frank, thank you so much, God us, you my friend,
cross examined dot org.

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Speaker 11 (01:34:05):
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