The Charlie Kirk Show, April 3, 2025

Commentary on tariffs, wallstreet, military standards, USA debt, Canada, fixing America's economy, and Ukraine.

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
The Charlie Kirk Show starts now.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
A Fellow Americans, this is Liberation Day waiting for a
long time. April second, twenty twenty five will forever be
remembered as the day American industry was reborn, the day
America's destiny was reclaimed, and the day that we began

(00:41):
to make America wealthy again.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Going to make it wealthy, good, and wealthy.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
A new CBS News Bowl shows a majority of Americans
support imposing tariffs unimported goods.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
And more have an optimistic view of the economy since
the election.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
From this day on, where not going to let anyone
tell us that American workers and families cannot have the
future that they deserve. We're going to produce the cars
and ships, chips, airplanes, minerals, and medicines that we need
right here in America. The pharmaceutical companies are going to
become roaring back. They're coming roaring back. They're all coming

(01:20):
back to our country because if they don't, they've got
a big text to pay. And if they do, I'll
be very happy, and you're going to be very happy,
and you're going to be very safe. We're going to
build our future with American hands, with American heart, American steel,
and we're going to build it with American pride like
we used to.

Speaker 5 (01:38):
You have tariffs on a whole number of products.

Speaker 6 (01:41):
And we'd be willing to take those off tomorrow if
you took all the paraffs off.

Speaker 7 (01:45):
If in fact, you're prepared to take your tariffs off,
why wouldn't you have that negotiation.

Speaker 8 (01:49):
In that conversation now before any tariffs.

Speaker 9 (01:51):
Get put in place.

Speaker 6 (01:53):
Well, we've had this conversation for all the last month.
We don't want tariffs.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Why is that not all? I guess my question is
why has all of that not already happened?

Speaker 7 (02:02):
And does President Trump know that you'd be.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Prepared to do that?

Speaker 6 (02:06):
He knows, and Secretary mac knows that we're willing to
take these tariffs off, Like in the next minute if
he said he's taking their tariffs off.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
The tariff is a beautiful thing, but it's got a
bad image. It needs you to fix the image the tariff.
We stop wars with tariffs. I mean I had cases
where I told a country that were being very aggressive
with another country had nothing to do with us. I
just don't like seeing dead people, okay, And they were
going to go to war.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
And I said, if you go to war and they do.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
A lot of business with the United States, I'm putting
one hundred percent tariff for everything you do, any business
you do with this.

Speaker 10 (02:42):
No, no, no, this has nothing to do I said,
it does.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Have I stopped the war?

Speaker 10 (02:46):
Well, I get Nobel prizes.

Speaker 11 (02:48):
Never.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
I mean, look what we did with the Abraham Accords.

Speaker 10 (02:51):
How good that was.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
But you can stop wars with tariffs.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
And the evidence we have so far indicates potentially that
Disney ABC were making employment decisions based on race and gender,
including having effectively race defined a findy group within the company.

Speaker 10 (03:06):
We have evidence that they put quotas in.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Place based on specific demographics.

Speaker 9 (03:11):
If the edit doesn't back play.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Out and shows that they weren't engaged in race and
gender based discremation, that's a very serious issue at the
FCC that could fundamentally go to their character qualifications even
hold a license.

Speaker 10 (03:24):
But we're going to follow the bats where.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
They got and there, great Secretary, you have done. Stand
up place, Christy, stand up Christie Nome.

Speaker 10 (03:35):
And Tom Holman.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
These people are doing a great job, but gotten them
out in records. We have problems with judges that don't
want them to go out. They want trend deir Raqua
and they want MS thirteen and the most vicious gangs ever.
Nobody's ever seen anything like an absolute killer gangs. They
kill people that don't even think about it, and we
put them out.

Speaker 10 (03:57):
Or we have judges now.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Radical left judges that want to They don't want them
to go out, they want them to even be brought back.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Let's bring them back.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
You've done a fantastic job. And please thank everybody Homeland Security,
thank everybody.

Speaker 12 (04:09):
Appreciating that referendum in Wisconsin. Then you should have brought
the SAVE back, which is a voter suppression bill that
we strongly opposed, to the floor week. You could have
done it, You could have done it today. To do
it tomorrow, I dare you to bring a SAVE back
to the.

Speaker 10 (04:27):
Floor in the coming days.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
There will be complaints from the globalists and the outsources
and special interests.

Speaker 9 (04:33):
And the fake news.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Never forget, every prediction our opponents made about trade for
the last thirty years has been proven totally wrong.

Speaker 9 (04:41):
They were wrong about NAFTA.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
They were wrong about China, they were wrong about the
Transpecific Partnership. In my first term, they said tariffs would
crash the economy. Instead, we built the greatest economy in
the history of the world.

Speaker 13 (05:01):
Every day is a battle for your mind, raging information
coming from every angle, but the will to the sea
fear not. You found the place for truth, the voice
from a generation that still has the will to believe
in the greatest country in the history of the world.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Ok a lot, here
we go.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
Wow, Okay, everybody, Radio stations across the country honored to
be with you.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Happy Thursday.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
President Donald Trump very well could have done what every
other politician does when it comes to trade and American manufacturing.
You say one thing to the heartland of this country,
and then you kowtow to the Wall Street class. We
have gone into great detail on this program on what
is a tariff, where the tariffs come from, why do
certain countries embrace them, and why do they not When

(05:48):
you are the incumbent economic power, tariffs can be a
tool to bring more money, more investment, more capital back
to the homeland. However, in order to use tariffs, you
have to be willing to look the markets in eye
and say, I know you might be a little ugly
I know you might be a little mean, but I
am willing to persevere. I'm willing to push through the

(06:10):
instant pains that we can have long term success. As
we've said many times on this program, the West was
built thanks to delayed gratification, not instant gratification, but instead
delaying the inevitable payoff. We have wanted to play this
piece of tape a couple times. I did play it

(06:31):
a few weeks ago on this program, and it's very important.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
It's one of my favorite pieces of tape.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
And credit to the Jesse Water Show for compiling it,
because I think this piece of tape sets the tone
from what President Trump announced in the Rose Garden. It
sets the tone as to what we are doing here.
And I'll be very honest with you. As I was
watching the Rose Garden speech and all the networks took it,
I was getting a little bit emotional. Not emotional because

(06:57):
of what President Trump was doing at the markets, but
when I saw a group of fifty five year old
auto workers, the white working class, with their hard hats on,
I thought of the countless MAGA rallies that I've spoke at.

(07:19):
I thought at the countless political events that I went
to and I and President Trump, of President Trump and myself,
I should stay and myself as proxy, would look these
guys in the eyes and we would make a promise
to them. We would say, to these white working class men,

(07:40):
elect us, and we are going to fight for you.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
We're going to do mass deportations.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
We're going to stop the stem on the southern borders,
the flow of illegal immigration and drugs, and we are
going to use tariffs. And these polite, mild mattern mid
what mattered Midwestern patriots that work for Ford or General Motors,
that work in manufacturing plants, those that still exist, would

(08:07):
applaud as if it was a lifeline. As we say
on this program, they're the ones that shower before work,
and they shower after work. And I got a little
emotional watching that Rose Garden speech. And as those very
same guys that we have campaigned for can say that
we voted for this, Donald Trump won the heartland because

(08:29):
of these swing voters. These are the Reagan Democrats, These
are the Obama Democrats that voted for Obama, and some
of them even voted for Joe Biden in twenty twenty,
and they came back home and you look right there
on screen. These are the garbage truck drivers, the UAW members,
And I thought to myself, it is very unique to

(08:50):
see a politician do what he said he was going
to do, regardless of what the media and the institutions
of power threatened him with. So I want to just
set the tone, to set the vibe of our conversation
around this historic Liberation Day speech with why we are here.

(09:13):
This is Jonestown, Pennsylvania, before I was born. This started
this sequence. This right here we're about to play is
what President Trump is aiming to solve in the Rose Garden.
Thirty two years of managed to climb, thirty two years,
thirty five years, you could say, forty years of the
slipping of American manufacturing dominance. It's a very difficult clip

(09:36):
to watch and multiply it by sixty thousand. Play cut
one twenty.

Speaker 14 (09:40):
Three for ages Hot Molten steel has been the lifeblood
of Johnstown, vigorously pumping dollars and jobs through the city's veins.
But now the pulse of the community is in cardiac
or rest. Bethlehem officials aren't making any more comments than
what's contained in.

Speaker 10 (09:57):
This press release.

Speaker 14 (09:58):
They're sorry that it's simply not cost effective to run
the mill any longer.

Speaker 9 (10:03):
It does hurt, and there's a dramatic spin off.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
It's going to come from that, and there's going to be.

Speaker 9 (10:08):
A lot of problems that have to be solved.

Speaker 14 (10:10):
In part, Bethlehem cites feerce, foreign competition, and the national
economy for their demise. For some Bethlehem employees, it's hard
to look past the shocking news we go.

Speaker 15 (10:21):
Don't rely on the corporation yet, don't want you in
a sense, and they don't care you know you.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Only a number.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
Jobs left and drugs came in, factories closed, and community shattered.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
We thought we were getting the better end of the deal,
free trade, our leaders told us. George H. W.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
Bush was president when that happened, and William Clinton took
office soon after in January of nineteen ninety three. Neither
actually decided to fix the raping of the Heartland. Jamie
Vance ran for the US Senate and eventually became the
Vice president. Because he is a son of the forgotten

(11:01):
family of the Midwest. He has a son of the
forgotten worker of the uaw jd Vance understands the shared
lived experience of the factory workers of Appalachia. And when
President Trump was doing in the Rose Garden, he did
not have to do this. He could have done what
every politician did. Oh, I'm in my second term. I'm

(11:23):
not running again. Forget this. I don't actually have to
deliver on the promises what I said I was going
to do.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
He could have.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
Coasted like Obama. He could have coasted like George W.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Bush.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
But let's go through the list. Reagan, he opened up
free trade, which destroyed the heartlands. True Reagan was good
with a lot of stuff. He was terrible with this.
He did some terrorists, but not nearly enough. Bill Clinton accelerated.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
George A. W. Bush was terrible. George W.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
Bush was awful. Barack Obama terrible. Joe Biden, He's the
first president in the post World War two based order
to say enough. Because President Donald Trump feels an obligation
to the people that actually put him into office. He
made a promise, He made a pledge, and to fulfill
that pledge, and to fulfill that promise requires moral clarity

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that we have not seen from an American president since
probably dwighty guys an hour.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
This is JD.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
Vance who understands the ramifications, the weight and the heaviness
of exactly what President Trump was contesting for in the
Rose Garden speech known as Liberation Day Play Cup one
twenty one.

Speaker 11 (12:32):
There were two conceits that our leadership class had when
it came to globalization. The first is assuming that we
can separate the making of things from the design of things.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
The idea of globalization was that rich.

Speaker 11 (12:45):
Countries would move further up the value chain while the
poor countries made the simpler things. He would open an
iPhone box and it would say designed in Cupertino, California.
Now the implication, of course, is that it would be
manufactured in Chinjin or somewhere else. And yeah, some people
might lose their jobs in manufacturing, but they could learn

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to design, or, to use a very popular phrase, learn
to code. But I think we got it wrong. It
turns out that the geographies that do the manufacturing get
awfully good at the designing of things. Now, we assume
that other nations would always trail us in the value chain,
but it turns out that as they got better at
the low end of the value chain, they also started

(13:26):
catching up on the higher end. We were squeezed from
both ends.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
President Donald Trump announced a solution what Jade Vance diagnosed
as the problem. And I'm going to tell you the
exact tariffs that he announced to me, a baseline ten
percent tariff on all US imports.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
That's big, everybody.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
You are seeing the reddesigning and the restructuring of the
artificial intelligence economy. You are seeing the restructuring of the
geopolitical hemisphere that America will lead. The Western hemisphere, the
northern hemisphere that we are in, that we live in,
is going to be dominant and self reliant, reliant on
China no more. You're seeing the recalibration of exactly how

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we view economic matters. And it's been long overdue because
the deal post World War two is we don't need
to make stuff.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
We can just consume stuff.

Speaker 5 (14:14):
We could trade a bunch of money and hedge against it,
maybe a little real estate economy, and will build software
not hardware. And it has resulted in the crippling of
our great nation. You are witnessing the reorganization and the
reorientation of the wealthiest country on the planet to make
sure that we remain the wealthiest country on the planet.

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Speaker 5 (17:30):
Exactly what President Trump is issuing as far as reciprocal
tariffs and tariffs across the board. But understand, you are
seeing a historic reorganization of the global and the American
economy and it's going to come as a shell shock
and there will be market volatility, there will be turbulence.
It's basically like taking cough serrup. It doesn't feel good,

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but it is good for you.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
It's necessary.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
We have been on borrowed time we have bought, been
on borrowed future promises, and you are not a nation
if you do not make stuff in your nation.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Let's play cut one twenty two.

Speaker 11 (18:13):
The second is that cheap labor is fundamentally a crutch,
and it's a crutch.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
That inhibits innovation.

Speaker 11 (18:20):
I might even say that it's a drug that too
many American firms.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Got addicted to. And so I'd ask my.

Speaker 11 (18:26):
Friends, both on the tech optimist side and on the
populace side, not to see the failure of the logic
of globalization as a failure of innovation. Indeed, I'd say
that globalizations hunger for cheap labor is a problem precisely
because it's been bad for innovation. Both our working people
are populous and our innovators gathered here today have the

(18:50):
same enemy. And the solution I believe is American innovation.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
So the US Trade Representative has chronicled every tariff and
every trade restriction on the United States. President Trump has
said they calculated an effective average tariff on US goods
if you combine all direct tariffs and all other trade restrictions.
He says, we are then retaliating by tariffing other countries
that amount directly, but cut in half with a floor

(19:17):
of ten percent. So you might say, what does that mean?
A lot of tariffs? That's what that means. It's going
to be a lot of tariffs with China, and they
could reciprocate, and I'll be very honest, it might be
harder to go buy piles of plastic that you do
not need.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Do you want to be reliant on the.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
Chinese Communist Party? Do you want to be subservient to
a foreign land? Are we a colony or are we
a country? And I can tell you who's cheering this
right now. The auto workers in Michigan, the welders in Wisconsin,
the people that showed up in record enormous numbers to

(19:56):
vote for President Trump are enthusiastically giving a state ovation
for this right now. And do you know how you
avoid a tariff? You make your product in America? And understand,
if President Trump was just doing tariffs, it's a left
hand right hand situation. On the left hand, you say,
just tariffs. If he was only doing tariffs, it'd be

(20:19):
a little rough. But he's doing the brilliant second move.
He's doing the brilliant right hand that makes it all happen.
He's doing tariffs plus tax cuts, deregulation, and drill baby drill.
So when you pair those two together, all of a sudden,
tariffs make a lot more sense. And he's so smart
to do this. So in the spring he announces tariffs,

(20:39):
which he can do with his unilateral authority. Get the
tough stuff out of the way, take the pill, everybody,
Maybe it's not as bad as you think. And then
the all encompassing strategy is boom on.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
The second part.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
Is a massive reconciliation bill of tax cuts, of no
tax on tips, of drill baby drill, of b and
sing the budget. President Trump is also offering tax deductions
on interest on car loans on American made cars. So
when you then look at the entire picture, and you
are a foreign company, you have to ask yourself a

(21:12):
very simple question, do you want to be able to
access the American consumer? What President Trump is doing is
he's saying, hey, in order to access the American consumer,
you got to make the stuff here, because the American
consumer is the golden prize on the planet. Let me
say that again, The American consumer is the golden prize.

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We consume more than any other nation. We are a
consumerist economy. We buy and we buy, and we buy
and we go out to eat. The Japanese are not
like that at all. They have a deflationary problem. They
save their money under pillows. Basically, that's why almost nothing
goes up in downtown Tokyo. They have a deflation problem.
They got to keep on printing money and going through
quantitative easing. In America is the exact opposite. We have

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high leverage and huge money veloci in investment and risk
taking and entrepreneurialism. So we are the Golden prize. We
are the top accomplishment. If you are a Dutch company,
a German company, and Argentine company, a Colombian company, you
can never reach global international success if you cannot get
into the US market. But now, in order to reach

(22:20):
the US market, you have to make that good in
the United States of America. Employ American labor, not just
say hey, I want to access the American market, thanks
so much, let's trade some dollar bills. I'm gonna bring
all the profits back to Bogata, and bring all the
profits back to Brussels, and bring all the profits back
to Copenhagen. I bring all the profits back to Amsterdam. Meanwhile,
all we get in return is a pile of plastic. Now, instead,

(22:45):
we say, if you want to be able to do that,
make the good in Knoxville, make the good in Marshall Toon, Iowa.
Make the good in Flagstaff, Arizona. Employ American labor. China
has now take and the most extraordinary step of building
in Mexico to avoid tariffs and access America's prize market.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
We are the largest market in the world. We're gonna
start acting like it be right back.

Speaker 17 (23:16):
President Trump says the US is in an economic emergency,
and a base ten percent tariff on imports from all
countries is the first step in getting out of it.
Good afternoon, everyone, I'm tering s Baates. We appreciate you
being here with us. During as much anticipated reciprocal tariff
announcement in the Rose Garden of the White House Wednesday,
the President also rolled out a thirty four percent tax

(23:37):
on imports from China and twenty percent on European Union imports,
among others. Plus he described the tariffs as kind tariffs,
implying that the plan could have been much more aggressive.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
If you want you're teriff RAI to be zero, then
you build your product right here in America, because there
is no tariff if you build your plant to your
product in America. And we've seen companies coming in like
we've never seen before. Likewise, all of the foreign presidents,
prime ministers, kings, queens, ambassadors, and everyone else who will

(24:12):
soon be calling to ask for exemptions from these tariffs,
I say, terminate your own tariffs, drop your barriers, don't.

Speaker 10 (24:20):
Manipulate your currencies.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
They manipulate their currencies like nobody can even believe.

Speaker 17 (24:27):
Apart from leveling the trading playing field, President Trump says
the goal of these latest taxes is to boost domestic
manufacturing and foreign investment in the United States. He claims
work has already begun on plants around the country, including
a sixty one billion dollar plant. The president says an
announcement will come in the next couple of days. Meantime,

(24:47):
markets around the world are reacting to President Trump's tariffs.
So far, US stock markets are tanking, with Nasdaq seeing
losses of more than five percent in early trading, and
Norway's foreign minister is pushing back againgainst the Trump tariffs,
saying he believes the new taxes will hurt NATO allies
and may violate Article two of the Alliance, which stresses

(25:08):
economic cooperation among allies. In order to avoid conflict, the
Foreign Minister plans to raise the issue with Secretary of
State Mark or Rubio during a NATO meeting in Brussels today.
Poland's Prime minister also chiming in and predicting that the
terroriffs will cut part of his country's gross domestic product,
saying that it was a quote severe and unpleasant blow

(25:29):
because it comes from the closest ally, but we will survive,
he says. That's a quick check of your headlines. As always,
we appreciate you being here with us.

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issues to discuss here with a really good guest. Will Tebow,
director of the American Military Project at the Claremont Institute
and also an Army veteran, Will welcome to the program.
Will we complained while Biden was president that there were
separate fitness standards in the military for men and women.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
If a woman wants to be in.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
The military, she should have to do the same amount
of push ups, the same amount of pull ups, and
run at the same pace as a man. In battle,
the enemy does not shoot less or deploy less IEDs
or fight softer if he finds out that it is
a female combatant versus a male combatant. Tell us about
the announcement that Pete Hegseth has made that women must

(28:56):
now be able to have the same strength and fitness
standards as men in the military.

Speaker 15 (29:01):
Tell us, that's exactly it, Charlie. It is finally common
sense again at the Pentagon for men and women to
be evaluated based on the same rubric. Right, what is
it that, frankly, the defense establishment and both parties have
told us for over ten years now men and women

(29:21):
deserve the same opportunities in combat that they do in
the rest of life, and so long as everyone passes
the same standards, well then they should have that opportunity
to serve in.

Speaker 18 (29:33):
These brutal roles.

Speaker 15 (29:35):
Well, we are finally taking a step towards that being
a reality after about fifteen years of meddling with this delusion.
You know, now when a man or a woman are
evaluated based on their fitness, they're evaluated on the same scale.
You know, before this week, a woman had to do
about forty two push ups to get an A plus
on her fitness test, while a man had to do

(29:57):
eighty four push ups. All the while, we were told
that man and that woman were able to do any
combat job in the same capacity, even though they're being
judged by the same standard.

Speaker 18 (30:08):
It was this bait and switch that.

Speaker 15 (30:10):
Frankly, both sides of the eye would tell the American people,
and Pete Hexseth has finally fixed that by saying when
it comes to these gruesome, you know, excellent driven jobs,
that it requires the same standards. So we're not playing
identity politics with the infantry.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
So just to get into more of the details of
how it was, yes, thank you, you guys found it. Great
job put forty four up on screen. This, by the way,
this entire rubric was so memory hold it was really
hard to find.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
This very hard.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
So if you are a woman in the US military, again,
this was a little bit goofy, So you guys have
to help me understand they did this. They also made
the chart in like this backwards way. It's very difficult,
so guys, help me understand this. So, if you are
a woman, for push ups, female in order to get
the most amount of points had to do fifty three

(31:05):
push ups, where a male had to do fifty seven
push ups. Am I reading that correctly? I believe I am.

Speaker 9 (31:10):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
Where in order to get the next threshold of points, Yeah,
this is all based on age, So basically the accommodation
against there's an age bracket here, it's very complicated. So
and by the way they got rid of pull ups completely,
it looks like they just got rid of pull ups.
But the running is the most dramatic, which I think
is one of the most important parts of physical of

(31:34):
military preparedness and fitness. Where the man has to be
able to run in thirteen minutes and twenty two seconds.
The female can be two minutes slower than a man
in a battlefield under the Biden physical fitness standards. The deadlift,
this one I find to be so flu miixing. So

(31:54):
to get a max score on a deadlift, a man
needed to be able to deadlift three hundred and forty
pounds a woman two hundred and thirty pounds. So will
explain to me, you're in a battlefield in Yemen, You're
in a battlefield in a Raq, You're in a battlefield,
and basically a woman under Joe Biden would not be

(32:16):
able to lift an average weight of a soldier and
still be able to be on the front lines. Am
I understanding this correctly?

Speaker 18 (32:24):
Precisely, Charlie.

Speaker 15 (32:25):
And that's what the deadlift was put in the Army
Combat Fitness test to measure the ability of a soldier.

Speaker 18 (32:32):
Again, we were told of any gender.

Speaker 15 (32:34):
To lift a heavyweight off the ground, like say, the
body of your fallen comrade, and.

Speaker 18 (32:40):
Then carry it out of harm's way.

Speaker 19 (32:42):
It is.

Speaker 15 (32:43):
It is brazen, as far as I'm concerned, to say
that there is this equal standard for all, when just
as you showed, it was a different standard. I'm pretty
sure you were just kind of reading off some of
the minimum standards. And that's not even in consideration for
Army combat rules. You know, it's important to note, and
you mentioned this, there was even a point where they

(33:05):
changed the test. It was the lake tuck close to
a pull up that proved, even with a gender segregated score,
to be too quote discriminatory for women. So you had
senators from both sides of the aisle and female army
generals who demanded that the Biden administration and the Army
under the Biden administration take out the take out that

(33:28):
event from the Army combat fitness test. So when we
say that, yes, it may be the same test that
measures people, well, it's been a test that's been altered
in order to meet the realities of gender disparity in
physical performance.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
So you know, it's grading on a curve. Is that
fair to say? Basically, we have a grading on the
curve for military preparedness.

Speaker 18 (33:52):
Precisely, that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 9 (33:54):
And it's a.

Speaker 15 (33:55):
Curve for our most serious roles. You know, if you
asked yourself, hey, who would I read rather, you know,
drag my son or daughter's body out of combat?

Speaker 18 (34:04):
If you had to choose out of a hat, it
would be a man or a woman.

Speaker 15 (34:06):
Anyone would choose a man if they had to choose, right,
It's the perfect case of where the exception proves the
rule here. But that's it's about what the military is.
The military is not a bastion of equal opportunity. It
is not a place where you necessarily deserve a fair
shot at the job that you might think you deserve.

Speaker 18 (34:25):
It's a job where only the best is needed and where.

Speaker 15 (34:29):
Masculine virtue is absolutely necessary. And there's no greater way
of laying that disparity clear than in the physical fitness test.
But it is where we were told, you know, the
most brazen lies. And it's why although this policy change
of course by the Defense establishment is kind of you know,
tasked aside and said, it's just an issue of identity politics.

Speaker 18 (34:49):
That's not true.

Speaker 15 (34:50):
It is at the core of what it means to
be in the military, and that's to maintain physical excellence
and to be capable of going to what we called
in the Army, the limit of advance with your unit,
no matter the challenge ahead of you.

Speaker 18 (35:02):
That's what the Army Combat Fitness Test measured.

Speaker 15 (35:04):
And we're finally one step closer for it to being
a genuine test of physical excellence and not just a
pass fail metric. You know, before you can include all
other other characteristics of identity politics.

Speaker 5 (35:18):
Let's hear it in Pete Hegsett's own words, let's play
cut two ninety five.

Speaker 7 (35:21):
Please here at the Defense Department, we are restoring the
warrior ethos, and that means we've got to be fit
to fight inside all of our formations. That starts with
standards and going back to basics. So for decades the
military I joined, there were different male and female physical
standards because men and women are different, and that's understandable,

(35:43):
but there were certain jobs combat moss that were only
for men, and so you had a male standard. Then
in twenty fifteen, under the Obama administration, against the advice
of the military services opened up all those combat moss
to males and females.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Fine, if that's.

Speaker 7 (35:59):
Their decision, but they never changed the standards in a
lot of those roles, so you still had higher standards
for men than for women a lot of those combat moss.

Speaker 9 (36:09):
Some changed it, but not all did.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
We're fixing that will.

Speaker 15 (36:16):
Right, and that's that's the point it one thing that
I think is worth making explicit again. Under the Obama administration,
standards became mere pass fail metrics for the bare minimum
of what it took to serve in some of these units.
Even when I joined the army, what the fitness test was.

(36:38):
It was a means of determining who is the best
and who is the rest, from first to worst. And
if you were first, you got whatever job you wanted,
and you filled out the units, you know, by by
order of merit.

Speaker 18 (36:51):
From there, standards have not been that since the policy changed.

Speaker 15 (36:56):
That Secretary of Defense heg Seth describes that's a fundamental
difference when we're measuring our military on past fail minimum
metrics as opposed to genuine excellence in the pursuit of
being the best.

Speaker 9 (37:09):
You know.

Speaker 15 (37:10):
I'll also say he glazed over this too. You know
military generals, uniform generals recommended against this policy change even
back in twenty fifteen, about ten years ago. You know,
I would be hard pressed to think that there are
many two, three and four.

Speaker 18 (37:25):
Star generals who would put their career in.

Speaker 15 (37:28):
The line and recommend against such a policy change.

Speaker 9 (37:31):
Today.

Speaker 15 (37:32):
You know, as I said at the start, there were
many generals who lost their mind when it became clear
that women weren't performing as well under the first iteration
of the Army combat fitness test, and so with help
from Democrat senators, the Army changed that test. So let's
also use this as an occasion asked serious questions about
the military leaders who were implementing this policy.

Speaker 18 (37:54):
In many cases, these are the same leaders who.

Speaker 15 (37:57):
Carried forward the Obama policy and for different units, and
now we're expecting them to all the sudden faithfully execute
Trump administration policy.

Speaker 18 (38:04):
We need to be really careful about how that gets implemented.

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Speaker 7 (42:42):
We're ensuring that any combat position across any of the services,
and the services are evaluating that has the same standard
for men and women, which means anybody can join, but
the standard is to meet what it takes to do
that combat job, rigorous physical standards so that your sons
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(43:04):
possible units, the most lethal units. So this is a
standard review looking at combat units, looking at men and women.
No standards will be lowered, only at the highest level,
and we look forward to all our best warriors joining
those units. It's a review that's important, long overdue, and
the kind of thing we promised inside the Trump administration.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
Will Tiebou continues, does Army veteran and director of American
Military Project the Claremont Institute put CUT three.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Twenty five up.

Speaker 5 (43:30):
Under the Biden administration, there was a celebration of pregnant
Air Force pilots. Pregnant Air Force pilots. That's what the
military has become. Of course, we're all for people having families,
but the military should be to crush our enemies. Will
what percentage of women are going to make through make
it through these fitness standards that are now equal for

(43:52):
men and women.

Speaker 15 (43:55):
Perhaps a handful, But the point is, what does this
do to the culture in the unit cohesion of these units?
You know, Frankly, Charlie, I can tell you firsthand that
even if it's just one or two women in a
large unit, that is kind of a reorganizing principle based

(44:17):
on something other than lethality and readiness. The whole framework
for how a unit trains and fights is different because
I was in the infantry when it became gender integrated
and there was working groups, there were new resourcing requirements,
you know, time in the woods where we would spend

(44:37):
you know, three weeks in the field and not really
think about it too much. We're all of a sudden
unique because of you know, the different kinds of demands
that men and women need when they're supposed to live
in austere environments.

Speaker 18 (44:49):
And you know, I don't.

Speaker 15 (44:51):
Obviously a lot won't make it, and the vast majority won't,
and there might.

Speaker 18 (44:55):
Be some that do.

Speaker 15 (44:56):
But does that mean that it's worth it to change
the fundamental character of a war fighting formation again, not
a not a McKinsey consulting class, not a Harvard Law
School class, but an infantry platoon, a platoon that is
meant to fight in a war, no matter the consequences
and no matter the conditions. It's been a while since

(45:18):
we've had you know, sustained combat that looks like that,
and I fear that we may naturally fall into this
trap where we think, you know, twenty first century values
merged with twenty first century war fighting. Will we will
just assume that it works that way and that and
that all will be the same, even if it's just
a few elite you know, great excellent women who can

(45:40):
meet these standards.

Speaker 18 (45:42):
Frankly, my wife was one of those.

Speaker 15 (45:43):
Women who can meet those standards, and she served alongside
special operations units.

Speaker 18 (45:48):
That's how we met.

Speaker 15 (45:49):
But she would be the first to tell you that,
you know, again, the exception doesn't prove the rule in
her predilections or you know, willingness to serve. It does
not mean we need to change the fundamental character of
previously all male war fighting units.

Speaker 18 (46:08):
I think there's still some more questions to ask here.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Will Tibo excellent?

Speaker 5 (46:11):
Yeah, I mean, look, it does beg a deeper and
broader question should women be in combat units? And that's
a deeper question, and at least from the fitness standards,
at the very least in order for that question, we answered,
you have to at least be able to have the
same fitness standards. So let's just start there. This is
just a very simple, common sense way. That's a controversial question,

(46:32):
and there's plenty of supporting roles. But if you can't
even do the physical stuff if all of a sudden
your fellow marine has his leg blown off and you
can't put that marine on your back to be able
to hike a mile with him, to be able to
get necessary immediate medical support because you had a special
deadlift accommodation you should not be in a combat role.
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(46:55):
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Speaker 17 (47:16):
Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news breakout of
Terrence Beads. President Trump's reciprocal tariffs and twenty five percent
tariffs on foreign cars and car parts have the world
in a bit of a tailspin right now. The President's
goal is to spur manufacturing an investment here in the
United States, but the immediate impact has been a shock
to the world's economic system, with global markets including Wall

(47:38):
Street feeling the sting. Real America's Voice White House correspondent
Brian Glenn joining us from the nation's capital this morning
with the very latest. So Brian, first of all, good
afternoon to you there in Washington, DC. And I'm curious
what the reaction at the White House is given the
losses being sustained on all three major usn disease right now.

Speaker 19 (47:57):
Yeah, well, it's definitely a shock, and I don't I
think it's anything that we did not expect, especially coming
from a very highly anticipated announcement on these reciprocal tariffs.
But as I sat in the Rose Garden and we
had the pageantry, we had the music, the flags, we
had it all, it was kind of an upbeat moment.
When he passed out these what he calls a fair

(48:19):
reciprocal tariff to these countries, I thought it was way
beyond fair, you know, looking at China's you know, giving
us what sixty seven percent tariff, and we're matching them
with I think a thirty four percent tariffs. So a
lot of these tariffs were about fifty percent from what
these other nations charge us. But we knew there'd be
some reaction in the market terrence. That's to be expected.

(48:41):
But if you're playing the long game in this, and
I'm not talking about the stock market, I'm talking about
bringing manufacturing back to this country, this is definitely the
right move.

Speaker 17 (48:52):
And part of this is posturing, I would imagine, trying
to get people to come to the table. Spain's prime
Minister writing, we're once again asking President Trump to reconsider
to sit down at the negotiating table with the European
Union and also the rest of the world. I use
that quote to kind of put into context that a

(49:12):
lot of these countries that have been taking advantage of
the United States are already saying, Okay, we're ready to talk,
We're ready to negotiate. And it seems to me that
that's part of what President Trump was trying to achieve.

Speaker 19 (49:22):
Yeah, that's what it is. It's the art of the deals,
negotiating tactics. And by the way, the European Union is
another one of the worst ratios that we've been charged
to what we charge them, So maybe it's about time
they come to the table. And President Trump has talked
about this to the campaign trail, how we've been ripped
off by foreign countries for far too long and it's

(49:44):
time to make the United States wealthy again. And this
is part of it. It's a negotiation tactic. I would
imagine the phone right now at the White House is
ringing off the hook, ready to book their next appointment
to the White House to talk about these tariffs.

Speaker 17 (50:01):
And Brian moving forward to this weekend. Is it going
to be a ghost town there in Washington, D C?
President Trump leaving the capital this afternoon. Of course, most
of the House is gone back to their districts. After
Speak of the House, Mike Johnson sent everybody home. Not
a whole lot going to be happening this weekend, over
the next twenty four hours, I would.

Speaker 19 (50:19):
Think, yeah, it will be a ghost town. I know.
President Trump is scheduled to leave just in a few
headed down to Miami to attend a live golf tournament,
a dinner tonight, and then he will return to mar
A Lago, which I would imagine he'll probably instead of
watching golf, he'll probably play golf at mar A Lagos.
So kind of a long weekend for the president. But

(50:41):
it's been a very actic week here in Washington, D C.
But as far as Congress and the Senate goes, well,
we know Mike Johnson called it early, threw in the
red flag earlier in the week, called no more votes
due to kind of that conflict on the floor we
had all with the proxy voting that pretty much ruined

(51:02):
the chances of any additional voting for the week. That's
still got to be resolved in then the course of Senates,
they've all got their issues, So it's never a dull
moment here in DC. But when it comes to the
White House today, it's nothing but marine one leaving here
to go to Joint Bass Andrews and of course down
down to Miami.

Speaker 17 (51:20):
Brian twenty seconds. What's your sense in terms of what
will start happening next week? Will Congress be back in town?
Will the work of the people actually get start getting
back underway.

Speaker 19 (51:30):
I think the heat will be turned up, assuming that
they pretty much wasted lack of a better word, though
time this week. So next week I know Congress is
back in session to get things done. Stay tuned, we'll
have it all right here on Real America's Voice as usual.

Speaker 17 (51:45):
Chief White House Correspondent Brian Glenn reporting to us from Washington, DC.
Make sure to turn into tune into America's Voice Live.
He'll also be hosting that later on today. Well, folks,
that's going to do it for your headlines here on
Real America's Voice. We appreciate you being here. Now let's
get you back to you regularly scheduled programming.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
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Speaker 5 (52:23):
Email us as always, Freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com
joining us for the entire hour is the legend. Someone
that I listen to every week. I try to read
almost everything he publishes. Is Victor Davis Hanson, a senior
fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. Victor, great
to see you, Thank you for taking the.

Speaker 9 (52:40):
Time, Thank you for having me so.

Speaker 5 (52:44):
Victor, you have had some phenomenal commentary lately on President
Trump's tariff policy and how we should think about this
through national security and the reindustrialization of America terms. Please
explain to our audience what your take is on President
Trump's tariff announcement.

Speaker 8 (53:03):
Well, it's very incumbent upon him and his team to
talk in terms of symmetry and parody and to emphasize
that his wish would be a terriff free world. But
unfortunately that's been only half true. That the United States
is the only country in the world with such low
tariffs and has essentially a free market. And that was

(53:26):
fine during the postwar era when we were rebuilding Europe
and deterring the communist world. But eighty years later, the
United States is facing thirty seven trillion dollars in debt
to three billion dollars in interest per year of one
point seven trillion dollar budget deficit and almost over most

(53:48):
years over a billion dollar, excuse me, a trillion dollars
in trade deficits. So what we're asking for is not asymmetry,
but just parody. And that would mean I don't even
think Donald Trump and his team have said we need
parody right now. Just to take one example, they would
say to Mexico, you were part of a free.

Speaker 9 (54:09):
Trade North American continent. What happened?

Speaker 8 (54:13):
You're running fifty and then eighty, and then one hundred,
then one hundred and fifty. Now you're running one hundred
and seventy seven billion dollar annual trade deficit. You're a
conduit for the communist Chinese to get around tariff policies
which are asymmetrical in their favor. And this is in
addition to you have sixty three billion dollars coming to

(54:33):
your country and remittances most of whom are people here,
are from whom people are here illegally, and they're subsidized
by our own welfare system. And then when there's a
some twenty to thirty billion dollars in an excess that's
estimated to come from smuggling in the cartel's sentinel trade,
which is killed. That's not the behavior of a good neighbor.

(54:56):
And we're just asking for parity. And I think he
could apply that logic and tone vocabulary addiction to all
of these Europe, China, maybe not China because we expected
from them, but Europe, Canada, Mexico, and not let them
get away with the idea that we're waging a unilateral
trade war when we're just asking for parity and reciprocity.

Speaker 5 (55:19):
So help me understand the history of tariffs. The only
history that most people can remember is, oh, tariffs cause
the Great Depression, smoot Hay tariff. But it's actually far
more deep and complex and interesting than that. Our government
was largely funded on tariffs, as per Abraham Lincoln supported
in Alexander Hamilton. What is the history of tariffs when

(55:40):
it comes to our country? And let's go much deeper
than the superficial analysis that, oh, it caused the Great Depression.

Speaker 8 (55:46):
Well, to put it another way, we didn't have an
income tax. It was envisioned in nineteen thirteen but ratified
nineteen sixteen. So then that begs the question, where did
the federal government get their money. They had no other
source of revenue other than tariffs, essentially, and that was

(56:06):
it wasn't just the idea of protecting domestic industries, but
it was also a revenue generating mechanism for the federal government.
And one of the reasons, to be frank, why people
did not want an income tax is because they felt
that government by needs would be small and manageable. The

(56:27):
federal government would be if it relied on tariff income
rather than everybody paying a percentage of their wages. That
was never envisioned by the founders, but tariffs were pretty
much part and parcel of the American project until about
nineteen sixteen, and then all of a sudden we substituted
them with this vast new influx of the IRS and

(56:51):
income tax revenue. And then people said, well, they're kind
of obsolete now. But they were designed both to fund
the federal government, but the small federal government, and also
to protect vulnerable industries. But remember what the opposition is saying, Charlie,
the free but not fair opposition. They're saying, well, we

(57:14):
believe that free trade must be maintained.

Speaker 9 (57:18):
At all costs, without exception.

Speaker 8 (57:21):
And when you say it hurts Americans, Americans lose jobs
in American industries or offshort or outsource. They say, no, no,
it doesn't matter, because the subsidies of our foreign governments
are not sustainable if they're dumping product here below the
cost of production.

Speaker 9 (57:39):
And we found that not to be true.

Speaker 8 (57:40):
China has been fine doing it for almost a half century.
Then they said, well, it lowers consumer prices because you're
bringing in cheap stuff that domestic people have to adjust to.
That may or may not be true. But if the
other side is being subsect dies and your own producers

(58:01):
are not being subsidized, then it's a way to put
people into bankrupt And I can attest for that as somebody.

Speaker 9 (58:07):
Who farmed during the Reagan period when EU.

Speaker 8 (58:12):
Agricultural products produced was subsidized and dumped in this country,
and we were told that that was good for us
because it would make us more efficient.

Speaker 9 (58:20):
And that's the third fallacy. They say, well, if.

Speaker 8 (58:24):
You allow foreign stuff to come in without a tariff,
even though it's being produced below the cost of production,
then you're going to have to compete with it, and
that'll make you lean and mean. But there's only a
certain point where you can compete when you're losing money.
So it's a deliberate policy that I'm speaking as a conservative,

(58:44):
but a lot of the libertarians believe that even the
most abusive tariff asymmetrical tariffs are in the interest of
the target, almost as if you get with it or
get over it. And it's destroyed the interior of the
United States.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Yes, it has.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
And I want to really hone in on a couple
things you mentioned there, the first of which is how
the libertarian free trade absolutism took over so much of
our trade policy and so much of the prevailing dogma
of Washington DC. When did that start and why did

(59:25):
it largely go unchallenged or checked unchecked from the American
right for nearly thirty or forty years, despite the obvious
consequences of de industrialization, factory closings, and the fact that
we couldn't make anything walk us through kind of how
that hyper libertarian view grew.

Speaker 9 (59:45):
There had been a view.

Speaker 8 (59:50):
In the nineteen sixties and seventies and eighties. As we remember,
in nineteen forty five, there was no China as an
industrial power, Russia was destroyed, Europe was completely leveled, to speak,
and Japan was destroyed. So we were providing about eighty
five percent of the washers, the dryers, even the vehicles,

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the planes. And that started to end as we subsidized
the rebirth of these once powerhouses by letting them send
their products in here without a tariff. Either in the
case of our allies, that we owed it to them
and they would get back on their feet and they

(01:00:32):
wouldn't turn communists, or in the case of places like China,
they would be liberal the more.

Speaker 9 (01:00:37):
Affluent they got.

Speaker 8 (01:00:39):
Affluence was the twin supposedly of consensual government, which didn't
turn out to be true. But so we were losing
the rust belt in the seventies. And then what happened
was I think part of it was during the Reagan
administration and the George H. W and the Bill Clinton
there was this idea that finance was more important than assembly.

(01:01:03):
Global finance, so why this was the trade was destroying
manufacturing and assembly in the middle classes, then the service classes,
and I'm talking about insurance and law and media and
academia and all sorts of investment we were pretty good at.
And now we had, under globalization, not a three hundred

(01:01:26):
million person market at the time. It's six billion, and
so these areas. Anybody who could have a product that
was globalized and that was mostly in these areas made
out like bandits, and they sold it to the middle
class by saying, well, you have four oh one k's,
so maybe not making what you want, but you've got
all this investment now. Because in the high tech as well,

(01:01:49):
you know, we're selling a billion Apple computers or iPhones
and this is all good for you. But the problem
was if you had muscular labor that could be outsourced
or offshore, and it was then it was so they said, well,
we're going to provide people with high tech communication devices,

(01:02:13):
social media services, financial services, law services, academy, all that stuff,
but the muscles of the United States will be over
with and that'll be that's kind of passee.

Speaker 9 (01:02:26):
So even in the case of.

Speaker 8 (01:02:27):
Agriculture, hold that thought millions of acres were being farmed
in Latin America and Asia and industries were offshort outsourced,
and the idea was that the middle class. And you
could see it when Hillary Clinton went to West Virginia.

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Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
Sorry to cut you off, Please continue. I love this
idea on that you were getting into. That it became
almost I like the word passe, but it was just
not acceptable or desirable to work with one's hands. That
upper middle class society, no one wanted the children.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
No one in.

Speaker 5 (01:05:01):
Suburban society wanted their kids to go work construction. The
idea was, you're going to go work on a laptop.
You're gonna go work as an accountant or an engineer.
Upper middle class dogma became that if you had to
sweat to make a living, to be a plumber of
welder electrician. There's something wrong with you. Go get a
four year degree. Please continue on that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Victor, Well, it was.

Speaker 8 (01:05:21):
The idea that we were going to be the brain
of the world, and the world would be the body,
and the body was inferior, and that we were going
to make so much money that it would trickle down
to everybody in their four on one case and everything.

Speaker 9 (01:05:34):
And you saw that the vocabulary adjusted.

Speaker 8 (01:05:38):
Joe Biden said that the people had to learn to
code if they were miners or something.

Speaker 9 (01:05:42):
He always said something the same thing. In West Virginia,
we had this.

Speaker 8 (01:05:47):
Kind of thinly veiled class disparagement vocabulary, irredeemables, you know, clingers, chomps, dregs, etcetera.
So there was a kind of a demonization as if
they were the losers of globalization.

Speaker 9 (01:06:03):
And there was a geographical element to it.

Speaker 8 (01:06:05):
It was in the interior of the United States. Restaurant
and then the two Blue Coasts were going to be
We're all Stanford, Caltech, carver Dale, Princeton, federal government, big banks,
corporate headquarters, Silicon Valley. These were going to be leading
in the United States, and we were going to kind
of be the tail or, the drag you know, farming, mining,

(01:06:27):
getting your hands dirty, extraction, production, assembly, manufacturing, and it
wasn't really necessary. And then of course we started to
notice things Charlie that we were producing one warship a
year and the China was produce a month and they
were producing over two hundred. And during COVID, we looked
for our pharmaceuticals, masks, all these things we thought were

(01:06:49):
mundane and trivial, and suddenly these countries were saying, well,
we don't know if we're going to ship it to
you this week or not. And so we realized that
our grandfathers were not stupid, but they wanted to be
self sufficient in the stuff of civilization, food, energy, housing, materials, ships,

(01:07:09):
military equipment. And so I think we're kind of we're
questioning them that that we thought we were so wealthy
that the financial sectors and the globalization was going to
carry us, and now suddenly we're thirty seven trillion dollars
in debt and people are saying, well, maybe our grandfathers
were not that bad off because they were.

Speaker 9 (01:07:30):
Producing the stuff that civilization and life needs.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
So I couldn't agree with that more.

Speaker 5 (01:07:39):
And what President Trump is trying to course correct it
I suppose I'm going to ask you a speculative question
here about two minutes in the segment, Can we become
a body not just a brain economy?

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Is it possible?

Speaker 8 (01:07:54):
It is because you see that it's not just a
bunch of people mindlessly on an assembly line putting widgets together.
It requires the most sophisticated robotics artificial intelligence, and those
are areas that we excel in. So when you start
to see these people building these huge power plants mostly

(01:08:16):
by natural gas and AI plants, that technology can be
married with assembly. So even though we have a fossilized
one point six fertility rate, you can get an American
and marry him with machines in assembly, in manufacturing, even
in things like housing now where you see entire walls

(01:08:37):
made in factories, you know, the studs and everything, and
then brought to the site and they're pre assembled. And
so we're very innovative, and it's time that we could
do both very well. And it's kind of interesting what
Trump is doing. He's kind of emulating very quickly the
war production board. You know, we were the seventeenth largest

(01:08:59):
army the world at the end of nineteen forty five.
We had twelve million people, almost to size the Soviet
Union's army, and we had the largest navy in the world,
but it was the largest navy in the sense of
greater than all the.

Speaker 9 (01:09:12):
Navies put together.

Speaker 8 (01:09:13):
We built one hundred and forty aircraft carriers of various classifications.
And what I'm getting at is what Roosevelt did the socialists.
He said, I'm not going to be a socialist anymore.

Speaker 9 (01:09:23):
During the war.

Speaker 8 (01:09:24):
You Henry Ford, you, Henry Kaiser, you William Knutson. You
go out and make bombers and liberty ships and make
a profit. But you've got to have the United States interest.
And I think that's what Trump's doing with Andresen and
David Sachs and even to degrees Zuckerberg and Elon Muskis.
I will protect you when the Europeans go after you

(01:09:46):
or the Chinese cheat on you. But I want you
to invest here, and I want your abilities to be
in service of America. And I want your rockets and
your Facebook and your investments and any thing you make
create jobs here first. And it's kind of an appeal
to a national's patriot, I guess element I think a

(01:10:09):
lot of the billionaire entrepreneurs are starting to.

Speaker 9 (01:10:12):
React to him.

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Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm
Terrence Bates. Markets around the world are reacting to President
Trump's tariffs. So far, US stock markets are tanking, with
the NASDAC seeing losses of more than five percent in
early trading. In the meantime, Norway's Foreign minister is pushing
back against the Trump tariff, saying that he believes the

(01:10:48):
new taxes will hurt NATO allies and may violate Article
two of the Alliance, which stresses economic cooperation among allies.
In order to avoid conflict, the foreign minister plans to
raise the issue with Secretary of State Mark or Rubio
during a NATO MEETI in Brussels.

Speaker 9 (01:11:03):
Today.

Speaker 17 (01:11:04):
Poland's Prime minister is predicting that the terrorists will cut
part of his country's gross domestic product, saying it was
a quote severe and unpleasant blow because it comes from
the closest ally, but we will still survive. And then
Spain's Prime minister is chiming in saying that we're once
again asking President Trump to reconsider to sit down at
the negotiating table with the European Union and also with

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the rest of the world. In other headlines, New York
Mayor Eric Adams has a new lease on life figuratively
speaking of course, not only did he see the corruption
against him or the corruption case against him be dismissed
on Wednesday, he now also believes that he'll win reelection. However,
the judge calls the Justice departments rationale for wanting to
for wanting the charges against Adams thrown out called troubling, saying,

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quote everything here smacks of a bargain dismissal of the
indictment in exchange for immigration policy concessions question mark. However,
the judge went on to dismiss the case without prejudice,
meaning the charges can't be brought again after Adams Leave's office.
While the Justice Department describes the Adams case as an
example of political weaponization and a waste of resources, Adams claims,

(01:12:15):
quote I have always been solely beholden to the people
of the City of New York. Amazon could be adding
TikTok to its portfolio a Trump administration official says the
online retailer put in a bid to buy the Chinese
owned social media site before its band, TikTok, is set
to go dark in the United States the day after
tomorrow unless its Chinese owner, Byte Dance taught ourselves to

(01:12:39):
an approved buyer. President Trump also has the authority to
extend the current pause on the apps ban. It's still
unclear though, if Byte Dance plans to actually sell TikTok,
but a number of potential bidders have come forward over
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I know we both share an admiration of them. You're
a visiting lecturer there, are you not?

Speaker 8 (01:14:13):
Yeah, I've been there for twenty one years in the fall,
and I'm going to give the graduation speech in May
May tenth, so I'm looking forward to it. It's a
wonderful place. First day I got there, I noticed two
things that nobody locked their bike up.

Speaker 9 (01:14:25):
And there wasn't one book in the.

Speaker 8 (01:14:26):
Bookstore that had a dash studies, No environmental studies, gender studies.

Speaker 9 (01:14:30):
Radis studies.

Speaker 8 (01:14:31):
It was all regular courses of the old style math, science, literature, history, philosophy.

Speaker 5 (01:14:40):
And if I remember correctly, I could be wrong, but
I'm drawing from memory of one of your lectures or
articles that you might have been at Hillsdale or in
Michigan riding your bike or something, and you saw Trump
flags in twenty sixteen and you saw some indicator.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Is that? Am I am I remembering correctly?

Speaker 9 (01:14:56):
Yeah. I came back and wrote a columns and I
think he's a win, because that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
I remember this.

Speaker 8 (01:15:02):
I saw them everywhere, and I saw a guy painting
the side of his barn. I got off and I
thought somebody was vandalizing it. I didn't see the Trump,
just part of the tea. I ran over there and he.

Speaker 9 (01:15:12):
Was very nice.

Speaker 8 (01:15:13):
He just said, I can do whatever I want to
my blank blank barn. And I said, well, what are
you doing that. I'm curious. He said, I'm painting the
word Trump. So that was that was I thought he
had a chance. I really did, and I wrote that
because I saw and here where I live in the
Sanwakin Valley, a lot of Hispanic males, especially even as
early as twenty sixteen. I was a stunned that so

(01:15:36):
many of them and building construction, agriculture were going to
vote Trump for a variety of reasons.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
That's a good segue to something you mentioned previously. You're
different than most intellectuals, philosophers and historians and professors. You
work with your hands. You are a farmer. It's not
just some hobby. It's not something you do for social media.
You don't run a TikTok account where you do it
for likes. You enjoy being in contact with the earth,
if you have been your entire life. There is a
fair amount of angst and anxiety in the farmer community

(01:16:05):
right now about these tariffs.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
I know you touched on this previously.

Speaker 5 (01:16:09):
I was at Oklahoma State University in Stillwater, Oklahoma a
couple days ago, and a couple of farmers came up
and they were all Trump guys wearing Trump gear, and
they were very worried. They said that these terriffs very
well might raise the price of equipment coming in, that
they might not be able to export their goods. Please,
as a farmer, give us your take on Trump's tariff announcement.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
How should we think about this?

Speaker 8 (01:16:32):
Well, it's I think the way to look at is
long term and short term. Almost every country that we
export with we're running a deficit with. I mean in
terms of now as a farmer, and say almonds with India,
and they have tariffs and they're very tough people. So

(01:16:52):
if they retaliate, the easiest thing they're going to do
is say we're not going to allow almonds in without
a forty percent And they already have tariffs but not
that high. But long term, if you were able to
achieve parody and we took a short term hit, and
you were able to tell India and China and the Europeans,

(01:17:12):
we're not going to let in this this this unless
you let our soybeans or our almonds or cheese in
at the same rate that we let yours in, it
would be it would be kind of fantastic, It really would.
And then I don't know to the degree which he
is going to retaliate by putting tariffs on imported food stuffs.

(01:17:36):
The United States is a lot. It's not the largest
producer of export food and volume, but it is in
value that's pretty amazing when you think we only have
three hundred and thirty five million forty million, and China's
got one point four billion. But so what I'm getting
at is half of everything we produce we sell abroad,
and it's very pricey. It's things like high volume pistachios

(01:17:59):
that are worth a lot of money, or walnuts or
processed cheese, things like that. It's not just grain, which
is essential corn or sorghum, but we have a lot
of really specialty crops that the world likes, and people
are paranoid about that, especially because you can live without
almonds and you can live without pistachios. So if they

(01:18:21):
think that they're going to hurt a particular sector of
the American and that's what they do. They when they
negotiate with Trump, they look at particular.

Speaker 9 (01:18:29):
Red state or areas.

Speaker 8 (01:18:31):
That are his supporters and that they want to target
that type of commodity for these small towns and rural areas.

Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
The farmer base overwhelmingly supported President Trump, and I believe
long term it is going to they're going to have
incredible prosperity to also get heavy machinery discounts. I know
that the president is looking at that in the upcoming
tax bill victory. Also, you mentioned something a little while
just previously, you said that you were stunned by how

(01:19:02):
many Hispanics and men were going in President Trump's direction.
We are seeing a realignment of political parties. I know
you've written extensively about this, where no longer are we
divided as much on race, but we are divided instead
really on male, female, and on class. How should we

(01:19:22):
think about the current political divides and how our political
parties are realigning.

Speaker 8 (01:19:31):
Trump got twenty six percent I think of the black vote,
and about fifty five percent of the Hispanic male maybe
forty eight in general. So there is a part of
that was cultural.

Speaker 9 (01:19:42):
In other words, they like a strong leader.

Speaker 8 (01:19:44):
Biden's mental and physical feebleness bothered them, of course, but
they're also on cultural issues. They don't like the idea
of biological male crime, open.

Speaker 9 (01:19:56):
Borders, especially here, people didn't like.

Speaker 8 (01:20:00):
There was also something about I don't want to say macha,
but there was the idea that you want a strong
representative of the United States and embodies our confidence. And
so if somebody they don't like optional military engagements in
the Middle East or anywhere.

Speaker 9 (01:20:14):
But if it's more of.

Speaker 8 (01:20:15):
A Jacksonian, don't tread on me, but no better friend,
no worse enemy. That type of foreign policy appeals a
lot to males. But class wise, the idea of bringing
jobs back in the United States and having say a
worker and a half for every job, I mean two
jobs for every worker rather than you know, two workers

(01:20:37):
for every job is what they want because it makes
them more valuable and prize and appreciate it. So this
idea when Trump says I brought in three trillion dollars
worth of foreign investment and in three years, you know,
most economists say for every ten billion dollars, some say twenty,

(01:20:57):
you get a million jobs. So if what he says
is correct, you could see thirty or forty fifty million
jobs in the next decade.

Speaker 9 (01:21:05):
And that appeals to people.

Speaker 8 (01:21:06):
They'll say, you know what, I can be a machine
operator and I'll have three or four offers rather than
have to go beg and humiliate myself to work at
minimum wage part time. So it's kind of like a
can do we all want. We want to get the
country movie, we want to be pre eminent in every field.
Military food, oil, gas, everything and that that appeals to

(01:21:29):
I think men in a strange way.

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
So as a historian, how would you judge President Trump's
We're almost at one hundred days, his first hundred days
versus Obama and that of the twentieth century. He has
accomplished quite a lot, signed a ton of executive orders.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
How would you look at.

Speaker 5 (01:21:51):
What President Trump has been able to do in such
a short period of time.

Speaker 8 (01:21:55):
Well, he's a counter revolutionary, so he's mapped out his
counter revolution and he's got, as you know, more lower
district court injunctions in the first two months than any
president I mean then Biden had in four years, or
any other president. So they are trying to do everything
they can to stop him, and we're right at the abyss.

(01:22:17):
But if he should do just four or five things,
achieve a piece in the Ukraine, a peace in the
Middle East, and make a ran inert in nuclear terms,
get somewhat symmetry or parody in trade. And if he
can cut even a half a billion dollar a half
a trillion and get on a trajectory within three years,

(01:22:39):
we're going to have a balanced budget. Just those things
alone would make him more successful than any president in
the last half century, at least, no I a Republican
has ever tried that. Reagan, George HW, George w. They
all said the same thing. You know, we're going to
slow down the cultural We're not going to stop it.
We're going to slow the growth of government. We're not

(01:23:02):
going to cut it. We're going to look at deregulation
and taxes, but we're gonna not talk about trade. So
they knew that if they were to do they wanted,
probably some of them to do what Trump did. But
if they did do what Trump, they would meet a
level of resistance that they thought would be incompatible, either
socially or culture. They just didn't want to handle that,

(01:23:23):
and they got a lot of resistance as it was.
But I think something about Trump's temperament or background, or
attitude or outlook makes him invulnerable or oblivious or protected
from social probium.

Speaker 9 (01:23:36):
He didn't care.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
It really is. He's a political marvel. Victor.

Speaker 5 (01:23:43):
You wrote extensively for the last couple of years when
Biden was president on the mass chaos on the southern border.
Can we just comment for a couple of minutes on
how quickly President Trump has been able to seal the
southern border. It is we have grown accustomed to crises
go on for five, ten, fifteen years. Think about it,
COVID and the lockdowns, and the two thousand and eight

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financial crisis in our national debt, and Nixon had a
war on drugs. Never before in my lifetime have I
seen something go from crisis to non issue in under
one hundred days.

Speaker 9 (01:24:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:24:14):
I mean, they told us that you had to have
comprehensive immigration reform, which was basically amnesty in their view,
and if you didn't, you couldn't close the border. And
he understood that the border was open because they wanted
the border open, and they wanted twelve million people in here,
both for cheap labor and for future political constituents and
for larger federal programs.

Speaker 9 (01:24:36):
Greater taxes, more redistribution.

Speaker 8 (01:24:39):
And he just simply said, if you obey the law,
and that means you fortify the border and you secure it,
and you turn people back and there's no catching release
and no refugee status once you're here, but you have
to do it. You could stop it and create More importantly,
that's psychological sense of deterrence. And when he started to
say things like I have an executive of order that

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if you come across the border illegally, you can't come
back for ten years. That was very brilliant because it
told people, oh, I'm here and these people are serious.
They might catch me, and then I can't come back legally.
So you're actually seeing a little bit of reverse immigration.
I think they really need to enhance that because it's
something people had talked about in the past, but they

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thought no president would ever dare do it.

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Davis Hanson concludes the hour with us. So, Victor, I
have a difficult question, one that I have not heard
you answer. What do you think that the Trump administration
could be doing better right now?

Speaker 9 (01:29:17):
I think they can. The messaging I think could be improved.

Speaker 8 (01:29:20):
I would get a little bit more tragic than Raggaedacco.
In other words, I wouldn't have a chainsaw when I'm cutting.
I would say something along the following. I don't like
laying people off. I don't like the idea of getting
in arguments with Canada. But and I'm willing to hear things.
But I didn't start this. I didn't open the border.

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I didn't let in twelve million people. I didn't run
up thirty seven trillion dollars. I didn't have to get
us into three billion in interest a year. I don't
like any of that, but I'm the one that's tasked
with fixing all this, and that sometimes is a rough
thing to do, because in this transition, there's going to
be people are going to have to change their methods,
They're going to lose jobs, and I'm going to try

(01:30:04):
to get as much federal investment as I can three
trillion dollars worth. And for every person that we have
to eliminate their job, we're going to try to get
them something better in the private sector.

Speaker 9 (01:30:14):
But I think a.

Speaker 8 (01:30:15):
Little bit more of that tone that we didn't ask
for this, but if we don't do it, nobody else
is going to do it.

Speaker 9 (01:30:22):
And they left it.

Speaker 8 (01:30:24):
They being the whole progressive agenda and project, and we
have to do this and there's no we ran out
of time. It was on our watch, our station, our time.
This task fell to us. We didn't ask for it,
but we're going to complete it. That kind of attitude
I think would be a little bit better, or at
least explain in detail. But if you just say, you know,
we're going to invade Panama or we're going to take

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you know, Canada should be our fifty for I understand
the art of the.

Speaker 9 (01:30:49):
Deal, but you've got to We've got.

Speaker 8 (01:30:52):
About a ten percent independent conservative democratic constituency that we've
got to reassure that things are going to get better.
And we're doing this radical things because they were the radicals.
We weren't the radicals, were the counter revolutionaries. They were
the revolutionaries. We're bringing things back to the normal. They
were the ones that took it off the spectrum. That

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kind of explication very quickly each time they have an
important announcement, I think would help.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
I think that is excellent.

Speaker 5 (01:31:21):
In closing here, about two and a half minutes remaining
the Russian Ukrainian conflict. It's proving to be even more
difficult than we could have imagined to bring this thing
to peace. What is your expert analysis of where things stand?
And do you think we're going to enter another summer
of killing?

Speaker 9 (01:31:37):
I hope no. It's worse than Stalingrad.

Speaker 8 (01:31:40):
I think everybody understands, they don't want to admit, they
all understand the contours of a peace. They're not going
to get the donbas In Crimea back Ukraine, no president
ever advocated it. They're not going to be a NATO.
But on the other hand, they've got the biggest army
of any NATO country, and they're well armed to the chief,
and they've killed or wounded tragically a million Russians, and

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so Russia the only thing, the only point in contention
is how far west does Putin think he can get?
In other words, how far can you push him back
east from his embarkation point.

Speaker 9 (01:32:14):
That's negotiable.

Speaker 8 (01:32:15):
So if you give them guarantees that they can defend themselves,
then I think we see the piece. All we're doing
now is that every time we criticize Putin's, Zolenski gets
on his hind legs and says, I.

Speaker 9 (01:32:27):
Want to be back in NATO. I want more money.

Speaker 8 (01:32:29):
And every time we criticize him, Putin says this, but
that's that's normal. That's the ying and yang of a
peace negotiation. So the difficult part's been done. We all
know the contours of the piece. It's just convincing both
of them they're both better off now than later. We
don't need to have another five hundred thousand people named
or killed to do what we could do right now.

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Speaker 9 (01:32:57):
Thank you.

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