The Charlie Kirk Show, August 6, 2025

Commentary on crime going down, President Trump as head of enforcing law, Tulsi Gabbard, the Middle East, Ukraine, being in shape, the vaccine, food, and health recovery 
 

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
The Charlie Kirk Show starts.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Now, and so I want people to see him and
understand who he is. This is a person that has
a problem with people of color period. I don't care
how many black maga out there with they had.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I want to be clear when.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
We look at who it is that he's kicking out
of this country as people of color.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
I've got news for the President.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
I am not going anywhere, no matter how many squiggly
lines they draw in the state of Texas, I will
be back and I will be on his behind and
making sure they're real accountability that the American people are demanding,
whether they're Democrats, Republicans, or independence that it has had
when the Democrats take control of this House in the midterms.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
On transgender athletes in the Olympics back to safety, especially
of female combat boxers.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Will the Department of.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Justice considering pressing charges against any man that tries to
escreat as a woman coming into this country to beat
up American athletes? And secondly, would your administration consider on
genetic testing so that these people can prove that they're
actually women competing?

Speaker 5 (01:18):
Well, I think there is going to be a very
strong form of testing as far as charges. I have
to ask the Attorney General about that. I don't know,
but there will be a very very strong form of
testing and if the test doesn't come out appropriately, they
won't be in the Olympics.

Speaker 6 (01:34):
This is extraordinarily stupid.

Speaker 7 (01:35):
It's extraordinarily stupid on so many counts. Barack Obama had
nothing to do with this, by anybody's accounts, And when
poor John Durham was made to sacrifice his professional career
to go around the world investigating the investigators, he found
nothing and ended up making a fool of himself. I mean,

(01:56):
we even found out that the two documents and supposedly,
you know, fed into the Clinton conspiracy that she was
the one pushing this actually was Russian disinformation.

Speaker 8 (02:07):
Democrats are sick and tired of showing up two fights
with the wrong weaponry. We've been pushed around by Miss
McConnell and the Republicans for far too long, and of
course we're going to take the opportunity when we see
it to redistrict in a way that is favorable to us.
We would be stupid not to, but it doesn't change
the facts on the ground. There was a bill in
twenty twenty one that all the Democrats supported that would

(02:29):
have had a national ban on redistricting in this way,
and all the Republicans opposed it.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Well, I think they've abandoned the state. Nobody's seen anything.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
Like it, even though they've done it twice before, and
in a certain way, it almost looks like they've abandoned
the state.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Looks very bad.

Speaker 6 (02:45):
Yeah, go ahead, please, I get involved.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Should the FBI get involved.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Well, they may have to, they may have to. No,
I know they want them back, not only the attorney general.

Speaker 6 (02:53):
The governor wants them back.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
If you look, I mean, the governor of Texas is
demanding they come back. A lot of people at demanded
that they come back. You can't just sit it out.
You have to go back. You have to find it out.
That's what elections are all about.

Speaker 9 (03:07):
President Obama directed that a National Security Council meeting be.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Called to talk about Russia.

Speaker 9 (03:13):
They were tasked to create an intelligence assessment that detailed
how Moscow tried to influence the election, not if, but how.
And this was the beginning of this manufactured intelligence assessment
where they knowingly wrote things in this assessment that were
false and they knew they were false.

Speaker 10 (03:34):
I mean, I think the Mamdani like policies. The policies
that you've mentioned by you for I think stands.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Out for me as examples of the kind.

Speaker 11 (03:45):
Of work that need a Trump administration source telling the
angle that a criminal investigation of Adam Schiff is underway
conducted by US Attorney's Office in Maryland for possible charges
involving mortgage fraud.

Speaker 12 (04:00):
The story we.

Speaker 11 (04:00):
Broke last month when the Federal Housing Finance Agency sent
a criminal referral to the DOJ alleging this ship in
multiple instances falsified bank documents and property records to acquire
more favorable loan terms. And a twenty eleven AFFI David
signed by the then California congressman, he certified that a
property in Montgomery County, Maryland is his primary residence. He

(04:23):
also owns a condo in Burbank, California, which he's also
claimed is his primary residence, and said so in twenty
twenty three during his campaign for Senate.

Speaker 13 (04:33):
Do you agree that the heir apparent to MAGA is
jd vance Well, I think.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Most likely, in all fairness, he's the vice president. I
think Marco is also somebody that maybe would get together
with JD in some form. I also think we have
incredible people, some of the people in the stage right here.
So it's too early, obviously to talk about it, but
certainly he's doing a great job and he would be
probably favorite at this point.

Speaker 14 (05:02):
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Speaker 6 (05:21):
Buck a lot. Here we go a lot. Okay, everybody,
radio stations across the country. I am back in mission
control here in beautiful Phoenix, Arizona. It is the Bitcoin
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It is the actual Bitcoin dot Com Studio. Email us
as always, Freedom at Charliekirk dot Com. We are honored

(05:43):
to be with you. As always, there's so much news happening.
We have Lieutenant General Michael Fulynn joining us in cups
in just a couple of moments, about Russia Gate, about Obamagate,
and the pass forward on whether we're going to indice.
John Brennan James Comey or Barack Obama, what is the

(06:04):
game plan? What does he know? We're going to dive
into that. But first, amazingly, crime is actually going down
across the country. The Donald Trump effect is real. The
more that we do mass deportations, the more that criminals
know that they might end up getting a prison sentence,
the more that we're seeing the rate of violent crime decrease.

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But that is not stopping of course, all violent crime.
Washington DC is no different. Washington DC. We saw a
massive increase in carjackings when we just decided to stop policing. Now,
let's just take a step back. I was recently asked
to give advice to a group of Republican lawmakers and donors.
They said, Charlie, what is the issue that you think

(06:45):
Republicans should own and should be known for. I said, honestly,
we should. We must much tough run crime. We need
more people in jail, we need more arrests. We need
no let's just say ease, We need no accommodation to criminals.
People do not like criminals. Make liberals defend them and

(07:06):
celebrate them. We need more police officers, we need higher standards,
we need more rigidity. We do not have enough people
in jail in this country, and that is shocking. When
people hear that, they say, oh, we have a prison
industrial complex. We're just a more violent country than other countries.
We also, the average rapist only spends about five to
six years in prison. Where all the suburban women that

(07:29):
talk about how terrible rapists as they should, and yet
they're not marching in the streets demanding that rapists spend
more time in jail, more people in jail, longer sentences,
and more cups on the street, more enforcement. One of
my hopes is to turn the Republican Party into a
resolutely stronger party on crime. The Democrats they can't do

(07:53):
this because they think the risis they have to pander
to a criminal base of their party, and they think
everything is through racial and systemic terms. We are not
harsh enough on crime in this country. We put up
with it too much. We try to accommodate the criminal.
And this is not just about stopping criminals. If you
enforce the law, housing will be cheaper because more of

(08:13):
the country will be livable. When you think about it,
why is the housing prices go up so much because
you have a small group of law abiding young people
that want to live in certain zip codes. Why don't
you open up more zip codes? If you enforce the law,
we'll have more manufacturing here in America. If you enforce
the law, the economy will grow faster. And the economic

(08:35):
loss from crime is in trillions of dollars. The Republican
Party needs to become harsher and harder on crime. President
Donald Trump agrees. If I had to rank President Donald
Trump as being ten out of ten on certain issues,
he is ten out of ten. And at his best,
he is in the flow state, as we call it.

(08:56):
When it comes to border and crime. President Donald Trump
is in that kind of Michael Jordan fourth quarter watched
him do his best work when it comes to crime
and it comes to the border. Unquestionably the best American
president on immigration and on crime in the zone. When
America has less crime, everything is better. That's why the

(09:18):
left loves crime so much. It makes everything worse. And
just a couple days ago, something happened in Washington, DC
that caught the President's attention. By the way, we're still
waiting for hate crime arrest in Cincinnati of the young
woman that was nearly beat to death hospitalized, had to
take an uber home while the police watched her. Holly

(09:39):
in Cincinnati, we're still waiting for hate crime arrest because
she was obviously targeted because of the color of her skin.
It was a black on white hate crime, not an arrest. Yet,
we're expecting arrests from this Department of Justice. We are
eagerly anticipating it. We are ready to receive those arrest warrants.
And the mayor never even called her. But unfortunately, another

(09:59):
situation happened in Washington, d C. Involving someone that has
been boy. He's had a year. I actually had a
chance to meet this young man in text with this
young man, he is known as Big Balls. Now, remember
Big Balls nearly got run out of the government because

(10:19):
he was a quote unquote racist. Remember Big Balls nearly
got run out of the This is a very important
story everybody. Now, I want you, guys, Blake, can you
remind me why he almost got run out of the government.
It was some like tweet or social media posts and JD.
Vance stood up for Big Balls. His name is Edward
Corstini Corstini and he was basically the victim of an

(10:44):
online lynch mob trying to kick him out of the
federal government for thought crimes, for believe he said something spicy,
but this is so important. Oh is it a different guy?
I thought they were trying to run this guy out.
It wasn't big Balls. Oh, a different guy said the

(11:07):
Indian thing. Got it? Big balls is just a meme?
Got it? Well, big Balls apparently is quote unquote a
different person on the team. So I stand corrected. But
the point remains. They were trying to run this guy
out of government. They were trying to run him out
of government because of Doge. They were trying to docks
this young man. They were trying to destroy this young

(11:28):
man's life. That is correct. What happened the other night
was remarkable. Two teenagers were teenage. I'm so sick of this.
Oh yeah, teenagers. I wonder teenagers at three a m.
Going wild thing trying to carjack teenagers. Do you notice
they never use the race when it's blacks, but they
almost always use the race when it's whites, and it

(11:49):
ends up being two white offenders. I will correct the record,
and I will apologize. I will. We don't quite know yet,
but I have a sneaking suspicion I think we all
know because they are not telling us. Two teenagers ridiculous
were arrested. Don't you guys hate That isn't teenage crime
the problem in this country? You know? Teenage carjacking. Two

(12:10):
teenagers who are arrested in connection to the attempted carjacking
of a former Department of Government Efficiency staffer known as
Big Balls. Authority said. The fifteen year old suspects who
were charged with the unarmed carjacking were among several teens
who allegedly approached the victim, Edward Costinini, and a woman
police identified, around three am Sunday in the Washington's Logan

(12:32):
Circle neighborhood. This group allegedly made comments about taking the
car before Corstinini pushed his significant other into the vehicle
for safety and prepared to confront the group. Law enforcement
officials said. Corsdinini turned to face the teenagers, and several
of them attacked him until police patrolling the area intervened.

(12:52):
The group fled on foot when the police approached, Authority said,
and so this is heroic behavior. This is like Trump
and Butler, this is Daniel Penny esque. This young man
should be on the front page of every single newspaper.
This is the type of sun that I want. This
is the type of man I want my son to

(13:13):
grow up to be to defend women against a mob.
And I think we know what kind of mob it
actually is. I don't see it on the front page
of the Wall Street Journal. I don't see it on
the front page of the New York Times. Mike Lee
wants to give him the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Now,
if he had shot and killed one of these attackers,
they would try to indict him for murder. That is

(13:34):
the left. But here is a young white man who's
working in the federal government as a doge staffer, very
similar to Kyle Rittenhouse. And we are only saying, well,
these were just a bunch of youths and teenagers. Oh,
a bunch of teenagers going carjacking at three am. We
should no longer put up with this. We should treat

(13:56):
juvenile individuals at a adult threshold. We should have the
juvenile threshold at the adult And this young man could
have been killed. President Trump is calling for fourteen years
and older, and he is right. And I believe it's
time to exercise the federalization of Washington, DC. Bring in

(14:19):
the troops, cut out the crime. Federalize Washington, d C.
President Trump has the power to do it. He has
exercising home rule over the nation's capital. Make DC the
safest city in America. Bring in the Marines, call in
the Insurrection Act, make the crime go to zero. Use
it as an example. Make d C as safe as Tokyo,

(14:41):
Make d C as safe as Singapore, Make d C
as safe as Soul, South Korea. We can do it,
but we choose not to because we don't want to.
We don't want to offend the teenagers. You see, I
know so many of you when you're out at night,
you're worried about teenager crime. How can we call ourselves
a superpower when our great capital is a dangerous dump.

(15:04):
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Let's get into it.

Speaker 6 (17:26):
Okay, everybody, welcome back. Email us as always Freedom at
Charliekirk dot com. So another video is going viral. We're
here at the Bitcoin dot Com studio. Senator Corey Booker
tweeted out a response to one of my viral contention
videos that I had on Jubilee from a guy by
the name of Garrison Hayes. I believe that's his name.
And it's very linked to the first topic here. So

(17:48):
Garrison Hayes says that I was wrong in a video
where I said that thirteen percent of the population Blacks
commit well over fifty percent of the crimes. He says, wrong,
thirty eight percent of America's prison population is black, and
that's according to the US government. His response is statistically illiterate,

(18:11):
and he talks about exonerations. It's very he goes the
great lengths to try to fight against the reality that
Black America commits way more crimes than the percentage of
their population. And it's an unnecessary rationalization. The fact that
you have to rationalize it is an impediment to solving

(18:33):
the problem. Play cut three eighty Black Americans abound thirteen
to fourte percent of population. Yes, about half of all
prisoners are black.

Speaker 17 (18:41):
Wrong, Just thirty eight percent of America's prison population is black.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
That's according to the US government.

Speaker 17 (18:47):
It makes you wonder why Charlie feels the need to
add an additional twelve percent to the black prison population.
Couldn't be because his bigoted talking points only work if
he exaggerates. If Charlie were actually looking for the race
that makes up half the prison population in the US.
He looked no further than white people at fifty seven percent.

Speaker 6 (19:04):
So blacks commit more crimes than white's.

Speaker 13 (19:06):
Wrong.

Speaker 6 (19:08):
No, blacks absolutely commit more crimes than white people. Number one,
do you know what per capita means? Harrison? Do you
understand fractions? Or is it Garrison? Wherever his name is? Garrison? Harrison, Garrison, Harrison,
I don't know. So whites, which are fifty seven percent
of the population, have a lower prison threshold than their
allotment in the American population, and whites count hispanics as white. Two,

(19:35):
So white's plus Hispanics are actually lower than their threshold
in the federal data. But let me dive deeper into this,
so he let me play his second piece of tape.
Here play cup three eighty one.

Speaker 17 (19:49):
What's painfully obvious is that Charlie Kirk isn't interested in
understanding the statistics he's so carelessly misquotes. He's interested in
making bad faith arguments, something that becomes even more obvious
in his next point.

Speaker 6 (20:00):
Blacks are thirteen percent of the population, and they commit
fifty eight percent of all the murder.

Speaker 17 (20:04):
Wrong again and loud this time. If Charlie were interested
in honesty, he would have mentioned the other thirteen fifty statistics. Yes,
black people are about thirteen percent of the population, but
make up fifty three percent of all criminal exoneration. And
then people like you have the nerve to parade these
stats around as though they prove something. The realities that
you probably know these stats, but you leave them out

(20:26):
on purpose, because to bring that stat into this conversation
would make some people think.

Speaker 6 (20:30):
And that's the last thing a person like you want.
All right, Garrison, by the way, you're welcome. We'll have
a chat any time. I'll explain to you what per
capita and what a fraction means. You can understand that Garrison,
exonerations are only a tiny share of total convictions. We
literally have two million people in jail or in prison
at any time, but the total number of exonerations is

(20:52):
only a few thousand. If Blacks are fifty five percent
of murder exonerations and also about fifty five percent of
murder convictions, that indicates that really they're getting convicted at
the right rate. If they were wrongly convicted all the time,
there'd be higher share of exonerations. Just thirty eight percent
of prisoners are black, means they're also vastly overrepresented of

(21:12):
all crimes. Also, fifty seven percent misses. It lumps in
white and Hispanics into all the white categories. And finally,
the key is this, so much of black crime goes
without arrest and conviction and a prison sentence. Half of
all Chicago murders are unsolved. If we actually arrested every

(21:34):
single black criminal, it would go to sixty or sixty
five percent. And that's just the rough math of the
unsolved black on black crime in downtown Chicago because of
anti snitch culture and lack of policing and most dangerous cities,
police are overwhelmed and there is bad reporting and nine
to one to one calls go unanswered, and the left

(21:55):
meanwhile wants to pile up grievances and let criminals roam free.
And yes, there is a number right here that I
was citing in twenty nineteen FBI data, And interestingly we
haven't gotten the data in a while, but I know
under cash PTEL we will fifty one percent of all
murder arrests. We're Black Americans, thirteen percent of the population,
fifty one percent of all the murders, and a sitting

(22:18):
Senator just applauded this nonsense. And we're not even bothering
to mention random muggings. We're not even bothering to solve
the high the carjackers. And they call me a racist.
They just stop it. This is not twenty sixteen. This
doesn't mean anything. I'm the only one actually fighting to
Blake to make black neighborhoods safer. You peddling this garbage,

(22:40):
Garrison Hayes, or whatever your name is, You're siding with criminals,
and Garrison Hayes cannot get past the irrefutable piece of
information that Black America has an almost a multiple effect
on their proportion of the population versus the crimes that
they commit. Until we can say that truth repeatedly, openly

(23:04):
and honestly, we will not solve the teenage crime issue
in this country. General Flynn, next.

Speaker 16 (23:19):
Trex Bates here with your Real America's Voice news play.
Thanks so much for being along for the ride. President
Trump is giving Vice President JD. Vance the nod to
be the next Republican nominee for president.

Speaker 6 (23:30):
Do you agree that the heir apparent to Maga is
Jade Vance? Well, I think most.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Likely, in all fairness, he's the vice president. I think
Marco is also somebody that maybe would get together with JD.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
In some form.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
I also think we have incredible people, some of the
people in the stage right here. So it's too early,
obviously to talk about it, but certainly he's doing a
great job, and he would be probably favorite at this point.

Speaker 16 (23:56):
As you just heard, apart from giving his vice president
the edge andeping the White House under Republican leadership, the
Commander in Chief going on to float the idea of
Vance and Secretary of State Mark or Rubio teaming up
for the twenty twenty eight GOP presidential ticket. While President
Trump's statement isn't necessarily an endorsement, it is still major
for Vance's presidential ambition should he want the job. The

(24:19):
forty year old Vice president has proven himself to be
a key diplomat and surrogate for selling President Trump's domestic
and foreign policy agenda. Similarly, Secretary Rubio has cut his
teeth as the first person since Henry Kissinger to serve
as both Secretary of State and National Security advisor. House
Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer is out with deposition subpoenas

(24:43):
for Bill and Hillary Clinton. As part of his panel's
probe into the crimes perpetrated by Jeffrey Epstein. The committee
has also subpoened former FBI Directors James Comy and Robert Muller,
along with former Attorneys General Loretta Lynch, Eric Holder, Merrick Garland,
Jeff Sessions, and and Bill Barr. Bill and Hillary Clinton,
by the way, are being asked to appear before the

(25:04):
panel in early October, while Attorney's General Barr and Sessions
are set for late August. Attorneys General Holder and Lynch
are set to appear in September, happening this evening. In
the meantime, Vice President JD Vance expected to host top
administration officials, including Attorney General Pam Bondi, along with Todd Blanche,
FBI Director Cash Pttel, and White House Chief of Staff

(25:27):
Susie Wilds, to strategize about next steps in the Jeffrey
Epstein case. The administration is reportedly considering releasing the transcript
from the Justice Department's recent interview with Epstein co conspirator
Glinne Maxwell as well. That's a great check off your headlines.
I'm Terrence Bates.

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Thank you so much for taking the time. I want
to take a step back before we get into the

(27:09):
details of Obamagate and Russia Gate. I want you to
remind everyone what happened to you and what the FBI
did to We have a lot of younger listeners in
our audience that are not as familiar or have memory
of it. They didn't live through it. The FBI sent
people to entrap you in the guise of offering you
help in the first days of the administration. You were

(27:29):
patient zero. Sir, please walk us through it and remind us.

Speaker 18 (27:33):
Yeah, so for your audience, Charlie, when President Obama first
met with President elect Trump right after the twenty sixteen
presidential election, he had a very short conversation with him,
and President Obama at that time told President Trump that
he should not hire me. And it was very odd,

(27:53):
and Trump and I spoke about that after.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
His meeting with Obama.

Speaker 18 (27:58):
It was just odd that why would the President States
and transitioning the entirety of the government point out one
person in this case me to not hire and of
course you know what Trump did was he then hired
me as the National Security Advisor.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
And we now know Charlie when that.

Speaker 18 (28:13):
So if you go back and you look at the
dates and the timeline, now we know about this eight
December twenty sixteen meeting, we know about the five January
twenty seventeen meeting where there was collusion inside the Oval
Office led by Barack Obama.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
And it's very clear now the evidence is really clear.

Speaker 18 (28:32):
We were able to in my case, sort of jump
forward to fast forward. The Jim Comey, the director of
the FBI, sent in two agents to my office. They
interviewed me, no problem, and I didn't have any issues
with it.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
I had been working with.

Speaker 18 (28:46):
The FBI for the better part of fifteen years part
of that, and I didn't lie to them then and
they actually said that they wrote it down. We found
that out in evidence later on. They then came after
me very hard when the investigation hit. They when they
came after me, this is where they brought my family
in right and they threatened me, and they threatened my son,

(29:09):
my youngest son, who was about to have a child
with basically all kinds of felony counts and we're gonna
throw you in prison.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
You know, for years that all and so that was
all true, that's.

Speaker 18 (29:20):
All come out, and they went after me because you know,
why why did Obama say that to Trump?

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Why did Obama go after me so hard early on?

Speaker 18 (29:28):
Because Charlie, there's no there's been. You know, I'll pat
myself on the back. Heard, there's not been a national
security advisor to the United States of America with my background,
not one. I mean going back to Henry Kissinger, who
I met or three times.

Speaker 6 (29:43):
Well to do a handle. Let me interject, you were
also very cautious on Russia. You see, they needed to
take you, they needed to take you out because they
wanted to get to a kinetic war against Russia. And
you had a much more cautious, realistic, and restrained approach
to Russia. So you were critical not only to manufacture

(30:03):
the Russian narrative because they tried to, you know, gin
up something because of some trip that you took or whatever,
but to use you as a centerpiece. You were you
were a stumbling block because you did not believe into
in the DC empire's view that Russia was our greatest enemy.
You were necessary for removal. I would argue that if

(30:24):
you sustained through the first administration, that we might never
have got we might never have had Russia Gate. Please continue, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
No, I I yeah, I agree.

Speaker 18 (30:32):
You know, one of the things that I talked I
talked to Trump about during the twenty sixteen campaign and
certainly going into the administration after.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
You won, was I wanted and I still am. I
still believe this.

Speaker 18 (30:43):
We must pull Russia out of the of the influence,
the sphere of influence that China has, right, China is
really the sort of the wolf at the at the
door here.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
So we have to pull.

Speaker 18 (30:55):
Russia and we and that's what I was talking about.
Then we've got to figure out ways to pull them out.
We've never been to war, We've never been at war
with Russia. Russia supported US during World War Two. Russia
supported us in the Middle East. I mean, most people,
maybe a lot in your audience, don't realize, but we
were working with the Russian Navy, We were working with
Russian military in places like Syria going against al Qaeda
and ISIS. So we had a great relationship. After the

(31:17):
end of the Cold War, I actually worked and trained
with Russian forces in different training exercises and scenarios that
we had in the nineties and into the early two thousands,
and of course until nine to eleven.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
So Russia actually and I wrote something in the.

Speaker 18 (31:33):
Last four days here, Charlie about sort of rules for
diplomacy that I would, you know, bring your audience.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
To the attention of that.

Speaker 18 (31:39):
But there's eighty percent in a recent a good poll,
eighty percent of the Russian people in Russia today, mostly
young people, Charlie, want a more positive relationship with the
United States of America because they feel aligned with US.
So back then, in the twenty sixteen twenty seventeen timeframe,
we're you know, the Obama administration did some really terrible things.

(32:02):
They expelled a bunch of Russians, They put sanctions on
all these on the Russians for no other reasons than
to upset the incoming Trump administration.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
And one of the actions that I took, among many
talking to foreign leaders, which.

Speaker 18 (32:14):
Is which was I was you know, authorized to do
it and fully by rights to do I spoke with
the Russians multiple times to let them know, look, let's
let cool heads prevail.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
President Trump has a different view on foreign policy.

Speaker 18 (32:27):
Let's let us get into the office of the Presidency
so we can start a different tack going down the road.
When it came to Russia, the Obama administration wasn't having
anything of it. And frankly, the intelligence community and many
many on both sides of the of the political isle,
that the likes to have a war, you know, a

(32:47):
boogeyman in the name of Russia, Russia, Russia, because Charlie,
and this is for your audience, there are billions and
billions of dollars that flow into the coffers. As long
as we have that boogeyman Russia and the American taxpayers, Charlie,
we can't afford it anymore.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
We can't afford to have these wars going on. And
for everybody.

Speaker 6 (33:08):
That's gone, even if we could afford it, we should
not be at war against Russia, even if we were
endlessly rich and we had a sovereign wealth fund. It
is not in our geopolitical interest. I don't like Putin.
You don't like Putin. I don't like the way they've
been acting. I don't like the fact they bomb churches
on Palm Sunday. That really bothered me when they did that,
but the real enemy is all to the east. It's

(33:31):
the Chinese Communist Party. Can we build a hegemonic coalition
against the rise of the Chinese Communist Party? It's all
about China. So much of this is about trying to
distract and divide, separate what should be a coalition against
the Chinese Communist Party. So now let's talk about John Brennan.

(33:51):
I'm of the opinion, and I want your opinion, Lieutenant
General Michael Flynn, that we need to be very cautious
and very careful going about possibly indicting Barack Obama himself.
I think we should start with John Brennan. I think
John Brennan is the central nervous system. He's the offensive coordinator.
He was calling the plays, he was the maister of

(34:12):
the orchestra. I think that is the lowest haanging fruit.
And he does not have presidential immunity. Do you agree,
And if so, what could he be charged for? Realistically? Yeah,
I do.

Speaker 18 (34:24):
Agree that he is the sort of the lynchpin here, Charlie,
and I do think that there are people. In fact,
I know because partly Tulsea has said it, but I
also am aware that there are whistleblowers that have come
forward with some very very egregious information as it relates
to that man that you're showing right now. There are
going to be other leaders that were in the rooms

(34:46):
with Barack Obama, with those two Obama and Brennan that
are also going to you know, they're gonna they're gonna
talk because they don't want to get into trouble here.
There is a there is a conspiracy and it is
still an ongoing conspiracy. And so all this talk about
statutes of limitations, you know, I'll lead it to the
constitutional lawyers who have studied this thing and looked at

(35:10):
the problems that this guy is involved in.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
That Brennan is involved in.

Speaker 18 (35:13):
But he's got a lot, He's at risk.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Right now in a big, big way.

Speaker 18 (35:18):
And I have a funny feeling that once you start
to bring these people in, and I've been very public
about guys like Jim Clapper because Jim Clapper, I believe
you bring Jim Clapper and Jim Clapper.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Will spill the beans.

Speaker 18 (35:29):
Jim Clapper has already said publicly on a cable news
network that they were ordered by Obama to do it.
We now see the evidence, so he said it, and
that's fine. But now we have the evidence coming out
of the Director of National Intelligence's mouth and documented that
shows that, in fact, these things happened. Tulsea Gabbard the

(35:50):
other day on another show talked about these things happening.
So the legalities of what these people are facing, I
think are severe.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
They has to happen.

Speaker 18 (36:00):
I think that the president, the President the United States,
also needs to understand this again for your young audience.
The President of the United States is the president of
the United States. He is the commander in chief, but
he's also the chief law enforcement officer of the country,
not the attorney general. The attorney general is the attorney general,
and frankly, you don't even need to be a lawyer
to be the Attorney general of the United States of America.

(36:23):
Most people don't know that. But the chief law enforcement
officer is the president, who has extraordinary authority and power
executive power. And the president's going to have to He's
going to have to weigh in from time to time
to direct his justice system to follow what I call
the constitutional order of our country, to go after and

(36:43):
hold to account people like Brennan, people like Jim Comey,
and there are going to be others. And once they
start that ball rolling and they start holding these people accountable,
I think and frankly, the evidence is there. We don't
need years long investigations. The evidence is there. And frankly,
for the courageousness of Telsey Garrett, who who I'm a

(37:05):
big fan of, you know, she's exposing more and more.
And what these people do, know Charlie, is they know
that there's more to come.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
I mean, she is like like a good.

Speaker 18 (37:14):
Lawyer, and even though she's not one, she's holding cards
that these people know exists, people like him no exists,
people like call me no exist.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
She's holding these cards because they're going to use.

Speaker 18 (37:27):
Them in the courtroom right in the rule, in the
system that we call, you know, our constitutional order. Right
and so when this happens, you know, the Katie bar
the door. So what these people are gonna are what
these people are going to start talking about.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
But that has to happen, you know.

Speaker 18 (37:45):
At the same time President Trump is having to deal
with the situation in the Middle East, he's having to
deal with a Frankly, it's a losing war in Ukraine.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
So Ukraine lost the war. It's that part has done.

Speaker 18 (37:57):
They're already talking about sixty year olds trying to get
sixty year old to serve in the Ukrainian military. So
you know, there's there's it is a giant money laundering
pit and that needs to end in the president. Uh,
he knows that, but he's got to really take heed
of the type of advice that he's getting. But his
number one priority, Charlie, and I'll finish with this is
what we all have come to believe in this this

(38:19):
phrase not make America great again. That's Trump's campaign bumper
sticker and and it and it got him two victories.
But really the phrase is America first. And America first
is not in isolation to the rest of America. First
is getting and making sure that we take care of
our country, for the for the young people of the future.

Speaker 6 (38:38):
Say there, we're gonna blow We're gonna blow the brakes.
It's America first, not America only. It's a very important distinction.
It's America leader, It's America first. But it's also we
do not want America everywhere. That's also a difference. It's
not America everywhere. President Trump has blazed a new trail.
Stay right there, We're gonna go through the breaks. Lieutenant

(38:58):
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Speaker 19 (40:01):
John Brennan and Jim Comy and I are part of
the group that were tasked by President Obama to put
together all the reporting we had on the Russian interference
and which we did. President Obama directly and personally confronted
Putin about the Russian interference in September and did not

(40:24):
accept at face value Putin's protestations. John Brennan directly did
the same thing with his.

Speaker 6 (40:31):
Counterpart, Lieutenant General Michael Flynn. What did we do is
that the clip that you were mentioning.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, I say that's perfect. That was perfect.

Speaker 18 (40:39):
So thank you for teeing that up so for your audience.
So he said in September. That's September of twenty sixteen.
What's very important is on the third of August of
twenty sixteen, three August twenty sixteen, Brennan back to Brennan,
he brought into President Obama at that time, into the
Oval Office the dossier and told Obama at that time

(41:02):
that that was made up information from the Hillary Clinton
campaign that they were going to use as their October
surprise against Trump to win the presidency.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
So Brennan and Obama.

Speaker 18 (41:15):
On the third of August of twenty sixteen knew then
that it was made up beloney from the Hillary Clinton
campaign to attack Trump so she could be the president.
So here's Clapper. It's a really important piece of evidence.
There that Clapper says in September. So a month later,
here is Clapper saying that the president directed him, as

(41:36):
the Director of National Intelligence to gather all the evidence
about what Russia was doing to interfere in our elections. Well,
Obama already knew that this scheme was in play. That
was August of twenty sixteen. Now we fast forward Trump wins,
and I'll remind your audience again there was a very
famous text message that I brought out in my case

(41:57):
of from Strock to his lover and two lawyer at
the FBI, Lisa Page. Peter Strock was the Deputy director
of counter Espionage for the FBI, and in his text
message to hers, if Trump wins, we have a insurance policy.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Right, if he should win, we have an insurance policy.

Speaker 18 (42:14):
Well after I get after I get picked by Trump,
after Obama said now we can't have him, I get
picked by Trump to be the NASCAR advisor.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Now it's like, oh my god.

Speaker 18 (42:22):
This guy who ran one of the largest intelligence agencies
in the world, you know, had a very different view
and it was very close to Trump on our foreign
policy ideas.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
You know.

Speaker 18 (42:31):
On the eighth of December, this is one of the
bombshells that Tulsey discovered on the eighth of December in
the Oval Office.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
After Trump beat Hillary, which was which they didn't expect.

Speaker 18 (42:41):
They then sat in that meeting and they conspired to
start the engines of Russia, Russia, Russia going fast forward
one more month, five January twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
They did it again, this time in that meeting.

Speaker 18 (42:54):
And this is hard evidence, Charlie in court, in the
court of law, the hard evidence that during that five
January they said, essentially, we need to get Flint out
in order to get Trump okay. And we know that
because there are there were notes that were written by
people in that meeting that we were able to put out.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
In my case, you know, I spent five years in prison.

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you're afraid they might miss in the cacophony of corruption here?

(44:31):
What would you say is the strategic plan, the pinpoint,
the north star that we can't lose sight of, Lieutenant
General Michael fulk Yeah, thank.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
You, Charlie.

Speaker 18 (44:41):
I think for for Trump, Trump really needs to he
needs to.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
He needs to remind.

Speaker 18 (44:46):
People what our country is all about. That light right
on the hill.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Right, that's he's got he's got to, he's got to
give hope to the American people and and the red.

Speaker 18 (44:56):
And the way he gives us that hope is by
telling the American people that, look, here is our plan,
what's already been.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Exposed to do things to reform the.

Speaker 18 (45:06):
Government, to you know, reduce the size of the government.
And he's already talking about our economy and the things
that we need to do as as we just talked
about America first, but it does not mean America alone.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
He also is going to he must end this war
in Ukraine. He has to.

Speaker 18 (45:22):
We can't keep you know, pouring more money into a
into a sief.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
He's got to end that war.

Speaker 18 (45:27):
And he also needs to figure out a way to
bring the Middle East back to the Abraham the Cords,
which I thought was one of the fundamental, you know,
the big.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Ticket marks on his previous administration. So those are three
big issues.

Speaker 18 (45:41):
The idea of hope matters to the American people, but
it's hope with a purpose, and that that purpose means you're.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Going to have to hold people accountable.

Speaker 18 (45:51):
The president is going to have to spend you know,
days of his time directly involved in where are we
withholding these people accountable? Because the American people, Charlie are
not walking away from this.

Speaker 6 (46:03):
They're not walking away from the idea. So I want
to zero in on two the things you said. I
might keep you a little bit beyond the break here
because it's so important. The Russia thing. I completely agree.
I don't think we should be sending more weapons to Ukraine.
I know why Trump is doing it, and I can
even make an argument for it, and I sympathize for it.
But how do we end this thing then, because it

(46:24):
seems as if Putin does not want a settlement to it.
If you were advising, what is the way that we
could come to a conclusion to this Russian Ukrainian war?

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yeah? I think you know.

Speaker 18 (46:36):
President Putin made a statement the other yesterday, I think
it was twenty four hours ago, and it's very important
and Trump should listen to it. If one of his
advisors hasn't brought it to him, Trump needs to listen
to Putin's speech like in the last twenty four to
forty eight hours and his speech he said, these are
these are.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Our lines, right?

Speaker 18 (46:53):
So Trump needs to call up Putin and he needs
to say, okay, you know what, where where are you?

Speaker 1 (47:00):
And I'm just talking about the two of them and I'm.

Speaker 18 (47:01):
Not talking about with Zelenski because Zelensky is neuter.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
He's not he's not affective.

Speaker 18 (47:07):
Trump used to call it Putin and say, where is
it in that in that red lines, those red lines
that you drew.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
That you are willing to negotiate? Are you willing to negotia?

Speaker 18 (47:15):
Are you willing to negotiate let's say, an election in
the four don bass is the four provinces that that
Putin mentioned in his speech.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Are you are you willing to talk about? You know?

Speaker 18 (47:25):
Because because there's a place geography, and I'll to point
your audience to it, a place called Odessa, you know, and Crimea.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
We have to think about that.

Speaker 18 (47:32):
Also, East of the Urals, east of the Earls Eural
mountains are in Russia right and east of the Earls matter,
and Trump and Putin. If Putin was listening to me
right now, Charlie and Obama or I'm sorry and Trump
was listening to me, they would know what that means.
The other thing is, Charlie, we tend to think about
about Ukraine and isolation of just that piece of geography.

(47:53):
Cuba matters, Venezuela matters, Other parts of the of the
world matter, in these alliances and these structures that we have,
so we at the United States of America ought to
be bringing in Cuba. What's the what's the future relationship
that we're gonna have with the Cubans, what's our future
relationship that we're gonna have with the Venezuelans.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
I mean, there's.

Speaker 18 (48:10):
More to negotiating than just that piece of turf that
splits the Russian Federation and Ukraine right now. And frankly,
I think personally I would tell Trump NATO has to
be off the table because Putin.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
And They're just not going to allow it.

Speaker 18 (48:27):
And frankly, if you go back to the to the
nineteen ninety four Budapest A Chords, where we were we
committed to no expansion of NATO. And I wrote about
this in an article that I published in the last
forty eight hours here about my rules for diplomacy.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
People can go to my website to read it or
go follow me on X read it. We have We've lied.
We basically lied as as a nation.

Speaker 6 (48:51):
Stay there, I'm going to keep you. I'm going to
keep you for five more minutes, okay, kind of General
Michael Flint, stay right there.

Speaker 16 (49:10):
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(49:31):
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Speaker 1 (49:52):
Thank you so much. It's good to be here.

Speaker 16 (49:54):
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Speaker 10 (50:03):
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they are the key to maintaining overall health, or at
least one of the main keys Omega three is reduced inflammation.
They contribute to hard health, brain and eye health, bone health, metabolism,
and potentially even cancer provision. And with a healthy diet.

(50:24):
We get Omega three's from our food. We get it
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(50:45):
of Omega three's.

Speaker 16 (50:47):
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to what a lifestyle that you should be leading.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
That's right.

Speaker 10 (51:00):
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(51:21):
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Speaker 16 (51:28):
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Speaker 16 (52:08):
So I've got a couple of your supplements here on hand,
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Speaker 6 (52:21):
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can be found in those waters, so I simply don't

(52:45):
trust it. And the other issue with fish oil is
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It's better absorbed by the body by eight times and

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for health, Fitness and the Biggest Loser. Stacey's gonna love
this one. This is a very exciting guest. First time
actually ever meeting her. Been following her for a while
and you might remember her on a certain show. The
Biggest Loser so joining us now is Jillian Michaels. Jillian,
come on up, peer, Okay.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
I will thank you so much. I appreciate that. Thank you.
I love this.

Speaker 6 (55:19):
I'm already matches your eyes.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Thank you, Thank you everyone, Thank you so.

Speaker 6 (55:25):
Much, so so nice to meet you. I've been following
you from Afar for a while, and it's just kind
of fun how all these paths kind of come together, right.

Speaker 21 (55:34):
It's awesome actually, and I really have to commend you,
excuse me for being such a uniting cultural force.

Speaker 6 (55:42):
Oh, thank you, I appreciate it. We have lots of
voices here, lots of perspectives, and it's exciting. So for
those of you that are not totally familiar with you
or your story, who are you? And tell us why
you're so passionate about making America healthy? A guys, gosh.

Speaker 21 (55:57):
Well, I am a former fat kid that fell into
fitness because I got into martial arts and I learned,
over the course of many years and great instruction that
when you feel strong physically, you feel strong in every
facet of your life.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Fell into being a fitness trainer, ended up working.

Speaker 6 (56:16):
Sorry, I'll go over here.

Speaker 21 (56:18):
I don't know why I felt they need to deepen
my voice as well in that moment.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Quite forget me, all right? Anyway, I fell.

Speaker 21 (56:24):
Into fitness training when I was training for my black belt,
and the rest kind of took on a life of
its own. And this is why I think when you
do what you love, the universe really does conspire on
your behalf. And I've had a huge amount of serendipity
that I'm grateful for.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
And how I ended up.

Speaker 21 (56:41):
Sitting here with you, Maha is definitely part of it,
and I'm grateful for that movement.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
I think it's long overdue.

Speaker 21 (56:49):
But health became a political football, and so I was
dragged into this arena. I'm not sorry, and I think
this is where I need to be, and that's where
these VEN diagram, the VEN diagram of politics and wellness
intersects from me.

Speaker 6 (57:06):
And so you were outspoken against a lot of the
mandates during COVID.

Speaker 21 (57:10):
Correct, I was as time progressed, I didn't really understand
the vaccine piece of it all, and to be dead honest,
I just assumed it was safe.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
I mean, why wouldn't it be safe.

Speaker 21 (57:24):
To say that vaccines weren't safe was like saying the
earth was flat. What I did appreciate very early on
is that the lockdowns made no sense and the mandates
made no sense. Like you would walk into a restaurant,
this one's my absolute favorite, and you have to wear
a mask when you walked in because you could only
catch COVID if you were standing up, and then when

(57:44):
you sat.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Down you could take off your mask safely and converse
and consume food.

Speaker 21 (57:50):
And I remember thinking, this does not make a ton
of sense to me, And then later I began to
investigate more of what did not make sense.

Speaker 6 (57:58):
Well, And my favorite during COVID was when you've flown
an airplane, where that the virus is a very very
tricky virus. It takes time off while you eat. Yes, yes,
so when you're eating or drinking the virus just kind
of chills out exactly, But otherwise you must keep the
mask on, and very important, you're allowed to eat and

(58:20):
drink with people next to you at thirty five thousand feet,
but once you land in LA, all the restaurants are
closed because you're not allowed to eat next to people
in LA. But you're allowed to eat next to people
on your flight to LA sitting right next to you indoors,
not socially distanced.

Speaker 21 (58:37):
And the mask also screens out the virus from going
into your eyeballs, despite the fact that it only covers
your nose in your mouth, because as we know, you
can catch pathogens through your eyes but not COVID, especially
when you're wearing the mask.

Speaker 6 (58:53):
So I guess you became outspoken to this and the
backstory you were you ran or the host the show
The Biggest Loser? Is that correct?

Speaker 18 (59:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (59:02):
But way back when, and I think a lot of
people remember that. Who remembers that with Gillia? So that's
a big, big, big show. I want to take a
sidebar and just talk about that. How did you get
into that? First of all, well.

Speaker 21 (59:16):
I opened a sports medicine facility when I was around
thirty years old, and I had briefly worked in the
entertainment industry and branding and motion picture packaging. So I
had a lot of clients that worked in the entertainment
industry and they'd heard about this show on NBC and
I really did not like the name of the show,
but I got pushed to go out for it. And

(59:37):
I had thought at the time I was going to
brand my gym. I thought that was going to be
the brand, and I was going to be the next Curves,
which is probably before your time.

Speaker 6 (59:44):
I remember Curves.

Speaker 21 (59:45):
Okay, fair fair you work out there, Charlie, No, okay,
fair enough.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
So long story short, I went out for the job.

Speaker 21 (59:55):
I ended up getting it, and I had, you know,
an on again, off again relationship the network and the producers.
For all the reasons that the show remained controversial, but
nevertheless it gave me a global megaphone and I'm grateful
for it and hopefully doing better things with it. Well
that's kind of how I ended up here. But as
you know, politically in culture, it became we began to

(01:00:20):
glorify obesity, and I think this is really pre COVID
where I started to get red pilt. That's really when
it began in twenty nineteen, and there's a famous incident
where I was asked by BuzzFeed if I celebrated the
fact that Lizzo was obese, and I was like, well,
I celebrate Lizzo. I think she's a brilliant artist. I
don't think her body is any of my business. And
I continue to get pushed and I was like, if

(01:00:41):
you're asking me whether or not I celebrate the fact
that she is overweight, I do not, because if you
truly value her, you would never want her to suffer
with any of the comorbidities that obesity carries with it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
And that was it.

Speaker 21 (01:00:54):
It was Oh my god, it was cancel culture Central,
and that was really my way up call.

Speaker 6 (01:01:01):
I So the when you you you have dealt with
this a lot, biggest loser privately publicly when somebody is
obese in your experience, what is the percentage composition of
it being lifestyle agency and genetics? So how much of
it is what they are kind of putting in their body?

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Got it?

Speaker 6 (01:01:22):
Meaning like are they being poisoned by their food?

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Unquestionably?

Speaker 6 (01:01:25):
Got it? So that's a factor. So we should have
your passion and that a factor. Yes, genetics is a factor, minimally, minimally,
exceptionally minimally, okay, So build that out because we're you know,
people say I'm boring this way, I'm born big boned.
I'm boring.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
No, So you're born with a predisposition for things.

Speaker 21 (01:01:45):
And I'm sure you've heard from fantastic mds for more
credible than me tell you that while genetics loads the gun,
lifestyle pulls the trigger.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
I have four obesity genes, perfectly healthy. So while I may.

Speaker 21 (01:01:59):
Not get to eat as much as my son, who can.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Eat anything and everything and never gain a pound, and
it's exceptionally frustrating.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
But with that.

Speaker 21 (01:02:09):
Said, if I am mindful about what I eat, I
can be very healthy. So you simply have to address
the fact that your genes are predisposed.

Speaker 6 (01:02:19):
Oh got it, slower metabology, So de emphasis on genetics,
which I love because I feel as if that is disempowering.
In fact, that's actually a really sad message to tell
obese people because it basically removes agency from the equation.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
So that's so on purpose, on purpose.

Speaker 6 (01:02:36):
So you think it's on purpose, Oh, of course.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
It's on purpose.

Speaker 21 (01:02:38):
So, for example, the siop with big food is that
you can be healthy in any size and we know
that they paid off influencers and even registered dietitians to
spread this messaging. And then Big Farmer's narrative is no, no, no, no,
don't worry you sad, sorry thing. You will never be
able to help yourself out of this, So just take

(01:02:59):
this drug and then you'll be okay. But by the way,
the only mechanism by which the drug facilitates.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Weight loss is that it helps you eat less food.

Speaker 21 (01:03:09):
Which brings me to the factor you didn't mention, and
that's the psychological That's what.

Speaker 6 (01:03:13):
That was the last one. So if you had to
wait it out of a scale of one hundred, yeah, no,
But how much of it would be like agency attitude, mindset?
What would you put that eighty percent ninety percent of
the problem.

Speaker 21 (01:03:26):
For people that are morbidly obese, I would put it
at eighty percent of the problem, because for them, food
is equated with their psychological survival.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
And I'll give you a very obvious example.

Speaker 21 (01:03:37):
If somebody has been insested or raped or sexually abused,
they may choose to desexualize by eating a lot and
getting bigger. It's not conscious necessarily, but many people do this,
and there are many different examples in response to different trauma.

(01:03:57):
So they're not lazy, they're not dumb, they're not week,
they're not stupid.

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Speaker 21 (01:06:43):
If you haven't experienced that and you're not morbidly obese,
we are still overworked, overstressed, We are spread far too thin,
and this food is engineered to be addictive. It's omnipresent,
so they exploit people's vulnerabilities. And this is why we
want from five percent of our population being overweight in

(01:07:03):
the seventies to seventy four percent of our adult population.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Being overweight today.

Speaker 21 (01:07:08):
It's not a quantum leap in genetics, and it's not
a moral failing of the vast majority of our adults.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
You're being set up. The system is rigged.

Speaker 6 (01:07:17):
It's also lack of nicotine. Of course, Well, because I
think you use.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Nicotine, right, Do people think I smoked? They're like, I
didn't know she was a smoker. I'm like, no, No.

Speaker 6 (01:07:26):
Nicotine is an appetite suppressant, So I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
It's say, also big cognitive enhancer.

Speaker 6 (01:07:30):
It of course, yeah, that's why I use. Yeah, it does,
and it constricts blood vessels and actually prevents dementia in
Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. But no, I have a whole theory
that smoking is bad. You should not smoke. Smoking is bad,
and I think it's disgusting. I hate the smell of smoking.
But we were a thinner country when people smoked. Obviously,
well that that definitely played a role. I mean, because
it's just when you're smoking as an appetite suppressant. But

(01:07:51):
I'm not we should not do smoking, like, do not
smoke that?

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Yeah, please, don't, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:07:56):
But can make an argument though that even with a
smoke like it's it's funny when when more people smoked,
we were a healthier country.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
There were also a lot of other factors.

Speaker 21 (01:08:05):
The food milk was not filled with hormones and antibiotics,
and ultra processed food was really just sugar and fat,
not high fructose cornstrow have been ten thousand other ingredients
that are designed to trigger the dopamine center in your
brain and impede your satiety.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
Hormones. It's a it's a science experiment for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:08:25):
So for people that say, let's say they're overweight, how
much of them? Here's not the other kicker, exercise versus diet.

Speaker 21 (01:08:33):
Great question, all right, So it depends on what you're
trying to achieve. If you're trying to maintain your weight,
food is a factor, But if you're working out, it's
arguably the most effective tool at maintaining metabolism exactly. Truthfully,
if you overeat, that's the thing that's going to make
you gain weight.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
You can't really exercise your way out of it.

Speaker 21 (01:08:53):
But if you have a lot of weight to lose,
I can't starve it off of you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
So here's what I mean.

Speaker 21 (01:08:58):
With the contestants on the show that people saw go
from four hundred pounds to one hundred and eighty pounds,
I'm not dropping their calories to zero. And even if
I did, the math isn't there anyway. In other words,
if it takes thirty five hundred calories to burn off
a pound of fat, roughly give or take, it's an estimate.
But nevertheless, okay, so you eat zero, how much does

(01:09:21):
your body burn in a day.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Let's say it's three thousand.

Speaker 21 (01:09:24):
I mean, that's like your best case scenario and you'll
end up destroying your health. So steady state cardio, that's
how I would kind of push them. I would make
them going what I would call the walk to China,
although that's probably the wrong country to bring up here,
but it had no it had no charge back in
the day.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
That's a perfect yes, a Europe at the same place.

Speaker 21 (01:09:44):
So long story shorts, that would have them do this long,
steady state duration cardio to create a massive energy call.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
And that's all that fat is.

Speaker 6 (01:09:53):
Its stored energy is their metabolic rate.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Yeah, burns calories.

Speaker 6 (01:09:56):
So then so you want obviously, I mean, like if
you want to lose weight just being a calorie deficit, right, Yeah,
it's not that hard. It's like it's just burn more
calories than you put in and definitionally you'll lose weight.
So just excite note because it just came to me.
So you did it for thirteen years gosh did I
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
You said that right on the Biggest Losers.

Speaker 6 (01:10:16):
Gosh, maybe that's what you said, right, I don't know,
maybe thirteen years ago, or maybe there were thirteen years.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Jeez, Okay, for maybe a long time.

Speaker 6 (01:10:24):
So you had hundreds of contestants dozens.

Speaker 21 (01:10:27):
Okay, so I would imagine that probably while I was
on the show, several hundred came through. I worked with
half of them. Now, the sad part of this is
that you would only get a few of them. It
was a game show. It was the gamification of weight loss,
which I actually don't agree with and was one of
the things that I took mbage with with the producers.

(01:10:51):
But they would go home week one, week two, week three.
But the reality is that probably thirty five percent of
the people I worked with continue to be healthy and
keep that.

Speaker 6 (01:11:01):
That was going to be my question, So what percentage
of the people that went from four hundred to one
eighty stayed in that range?

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
For me, roughly thirty five percent.

Speaker 6 (01:11:09):
Did they go back to four hundred or did they
like go to two fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Not the ones that maintained.

Speaker 21 (01:11:15):
The ones that maintained probably went up twenty pounds for
the guys, ten to fifteen pounds for the girls. Because
you also have to remember they were coming in at
that finale, like you know, so lean.

Speaker 6 (01:11:29):
And they relaxed and motivated.

Speaker 21 (01:11:30):
Yeah, but the ones that put it all back put
it all back, and some did oh sixty six percent,
I would say, and it's unbelievad.

Speaker 6 (01:11:38):
I mean, so what, that's nothing.

Speaker 21 (01:11:40):
Five percent of the people that lose weight are the
ones that keep it off.

Speaker 6 (01:11:46):
But what is the data on dramatic weight loss? It's
that so I mean meaning people will lose two hundred
to go regain two hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Absolutely yes.

Speaker 21 (01:11:55):
And the reason it's so sad here's why, though, because
while you and I consider and saying, look, how.

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
Simple this is, just I'm not saying it's simple. I'm
just saying well said.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Or the simple math, meaning right that the math is
very simple, not hard to understand. To eat less food,
you lose weight. Don't buy into the narratives.

Speaker 16 (01:12:23):
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Speaker 21 (01:16:05):
It's simple, but just because it's simple doesn't mean it's easy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
So whatever it was that the food afforded them, generally speaking, it.

Speaker 21 (01:16:15):
Doesn't get resolved. So I'll give you one more example.
There was a kid that I worked with who was
eighteen years old. He lost a huge amount of weight,
and he went home for the holidays, because on the
show there were holidays and the contestants would go home
and we would frame it like, we're just going to
see how you guys did on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
And he came back and he gained seven pounds. So
of course he's giving me all the excuses of its.

Speaker 6 (01:16:37):
Hard white tracking pie.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
Yeah, though I was traveling. Oh, it was so hard
to find out. They didn't have time to move.

Speaker 21 (01:16:42):
My body and sat down for hours and kind of
worked it through what happened, And the long and the
short of it is that his mother, when he walked
in the door, one hundred pounds thinner, his mother broke
into tears, and they weren't tears of joy because she's
also morbidly obese, and she oa, this is so important.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
You already got it right.

Speaker 21 (01:17:03):
So he broke the contract, and for her, this is
how they bonded, This is how they were close. When
she saw him so much healthier and so much thinner,
she felt abandoned and she became sad and depressed and withdrew.
So what does the food afford him a connection to

(01:17:23):
his mother? Is he conscious of that? No, But that
is what I mean when I tell you people are
not They're not dumb, they're not lazy, they're not weak.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
The big food is working to exploit their vulnerabilities.

Speaker 21 (01:17:35):
But it is because he hasn't worked through this issue
that he would return to so much.

Speaker 6 (01:17:41):
What you're saying is that you actually want to if
you want to be healthy. And so I was recently
in the South for a thing, and the South is awesome.
I like a lot of it, but it's very obese
parts of the South. It is a lot of reasons
for it, and honestly, one of the reasons is that
it's culturally accepted. And I was in a town where

(01:18:03):
people were very, very overweight, and I mean they ate
a lot. It was fine. I don't eat any of it,
like I fasted that day. By the way, my act,
my real like designed weight is like two thirty five.
If I ate regular, i'd be like two forty. I'm
at like one ninety five. I have to work to
keep weight off Like that's but that's exactly what. But
I know my nature. I don't want to be I
don't want to be overweight. That's the way it is.

(01:18:24):
But also I come from a I'm around like people
that are constantly moving, and like it's kind of socially stigmatized, right,
and that's actually positive. The inverse, though, is what you're
saying is that if there's no social pressure to stop
being obese and it's rewarded, No, that's right, that the
social currency is actually being obese. In fact, if you
are surrounded by forty people that are overweight and you're

(01:18:48):
the skinny one, you're kind of bullied, absolutely, or you're ostracized,
or you're othered at least and listen.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
One would encourage that person to find another community. But
when it's your mother, quite that easy. You're not going
out to get a new mom. So there's varying degrees
of difficulty, if it makes sense.

Speaker 6 (01:19:06):
So half of our kids, fifty percent of our kids
are obese or overweight by the age of fifteen. Five
percent of Japanese kids are obese overweight by the age
of fifteen.

Speaker 21 (01:19:17):
Why again, look at the culture. Look what's allowed here
and what is it? Look what's rewarded? And I say
this with regard to big business. They literally they designed
the food with a team of scientists to addict you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
They design there's.

Speaker 21 (01:19:33):
A literal multidisciplinary team of behavioralists, marketing experts, PhDs, mds, neuroscientists,
and every step of the way, how do we grab them,
how do we addict them?

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
How do we capture them? And I believe probably by
Cali means he we.

Speaker 6 (01:19:49):
On this frow many times. He's great.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Cali talks all about how.

Speaker 6 (01:19:52):
Cali's the guy, Casey's the girl.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
Yes, Casey's the doctor, and Cali he's the activist too.

Speaker 6 (01:19:57):
Got to remind myself, I'm sorry, it's totally fine.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
I do it all the time, and I have known
them for quite so wonderful.

Speaker 21 (01:20:03):
But he goes on to talk about how big Tobacco
bought Big Food in the eighties and just applied the playbook.
So that is not allowed in Japan. These chemicals are
not allowed in the food. They engineer the environment. Do
you remember back in the day when you couldn't bring
food into a bookstore. Now they sell food at the bookstore.
No matter where you go, the food is there. It's

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in vending machines. They siphon off billions hundreds of billions
in our tax dollars to go towards refined grains, and
then things like SNAP or the WIC program. It's fascinating
when they're one side well not really a sidebar, but
if I could go on a brief tangent. I was

(01:20:47):
reading an article the other day about the food pyramid
and how people who were pushing back on the USDA
and RFK working to change it. They're like, this is
what we used to feed our children and our soldiers
without realizing are truly abominable. That is because the corn
Refiners Association, the wheat lobbyies, the vegetable oil lobby, they.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Created that food pyramid. It's all processed crap, and then
they get the contracts and they take subsidy dollars to
put that food in our schools, to put it in
the ready to eat meals for the soldiers or what
they call the MRIs ready thank you exactly. So this
is all rigged and gamed.

Speaker 21 (01:21:29):
That kind of corporate influence in politics is.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
Probably not allowed in Japan. A lot of this is
illegal in Japan.

Speaker 21 (01:21:36):
So while you don't want a nanny state, I'm not
advocating for that. It's also not fair to rig the system,
and the other direction poison is poison.

Speaker 14 (01:21:47):
Period.

Speaker 6 (01:21:48):
So a couple more topics I want to cover. Are
you a fan of ozembic.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
I'm not a fan of ozebiic. You guys might be
surprised to hear.

Speaker 6 (01:22:00):
I mean, you know, GLP ones and some magulotide inductions.
It's all good. Why are you going.

Speaker 8 (01:22:05):
To do it?

Speaker 21 (01:22:05):
Well, okay, you could twist my arm on the following
And I want to lay this out there. There are
some pretty respectable people in wellness that advocate for microdosing
it for people who are severely obese as a last.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Resort, and you would get me there.

Speaker 6 (01:22:21):
One hundred percent second appetite suppressant.

Speaker 21 (01:22:23):
Essentially, it works in exactly the same way with a
fraction of the side effects at a fraction of the cost.
Which is why, by the way, Big farm Al wants
to shut down compounding pharmacies, because you can't do that
if you're buying ozempic. And exactly so, my personal issue

(01:22:44):
with this is twofold. First of all, it has a
host of nefarious side effects, from intestinal blockage to stomach paralysis.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Thyroid cancer rare but still happens.

Speaker 21 (01:22:56):
Pancreatitis, people are losing their vision anecdotally, you're hanging about
suicidal ideation accelerated in of course. I mean the list
is long and it's extensive. You can never get off
of it or you'll gain all your weight back. It's
extremely expensive, like this is not a solution. And of
course now they're trying to push it as a first
line of defense for kids as young as six years

(01:23:16):
old on.

Speaker 6 (01:23:17):
The Medicaid schedule, which will cost us like a trillion
dollars a year.

Speaker 21 (01:23:22):
I believe r FK One said, like, I could give
a gym membership in healthy food to every family in
the country if we did this.

Speaker 6 (01:23:27):
They want nine year olds on ozempic.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Six year olds on ozempic.

Speaker 6 (01:23:30):
Could you imagine they have?

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
And right now it's a first line of defense for twelve.

Speaker 6 (01:23:36):
Year be illegal for a six year old. I mean,
I just it's just incomprehensible where this is.

Speaker 21 (01:23:42):
Well, the American Academy of Pediatrics is essentially a subsidiary
of Big Format. And it doesn't mean that doctors are
not great people. Of course they are, and I work
with many of them, some being the keyword, right like
in every profession, So that is deeply alarming to me,
beyond the fact that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
It doesn't solve the root of the problem. So there's a.

Speaker 21 (01:24:06):
Great TED talk, for whatever Ted is worth these days,
but it was a valuable talk, and it talked about
doctors in particular, and they're trained to do triage. So
the metaphor is a bunch of people are drowning in
this river. The doctors are jumping into the river, they're
grabbing the people out, and they're performing triage. One of
the doctors starts walking upstream and all the doctors on
the shore like, what are you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
We need you here.

Speaker 21 (01:24:27):
People are dying, And he's like, I'm gonna go upstream
and find out why are all of these bodies in
the water.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
That is what you need.

Speaker 21 (01:24:36):
That's the way we need doctors to think. And ounce
of prevention is worth a pound of cure. What is
the bigger problem here?

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
This is not solving anything.

Speaker 21 (01:24:43):
And by the way, Big Food is now working to
engineer their product so that it bypasses the GLP one
pathway anyway.

Speaker 6 (01:24:51):
Well, just there you go, so az empic would be
rendered useless. So I think a good universal rule is
just eat whole foods, not necessarily at whole foods. What's
funny you do? But just whole mean? And what is
a whole food? There's no ingredients, like basically the ingredient
is just itself ingredients. You can pronounce an ingredients that
you know like most moments, cashews, bananas, right, apples?

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
Is it a mother not? Did it come from the
ground like a cheeto? There's no cheeto tree?

Speaker 6 (01:25:19):
So exactly, and so how much? If is it difficult
if you were to I think it's difficult to become obese.
If you just ate whole.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Foods, you could do it.

Speaker 6 (01:25:31):
You could, but I mean the percentages would go down
because they're not designed to trigger the flow.

Speaker 21 (01:25:38):
You got it, So they inherently trigger your satiety. Right,
So when you look at what triggers satiety, hormones, it's fiber,
it's protein, it's fat.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
Soda has none of that. In fact, it does the
exact opposite.

Speaker 21 (01:25:54):
So you drink a soda, it's two hundred and fifty
calories of sugar. It has no fat, no fiber, no protein.
So not only is it not triggering your satiety, it's
actually crashing your blood sugar because it hits the bloodstream
like a ton of bricks, pancreas dumps, insulin scrapes all
the sugar out of the blood. As you're on your
way to becoming type two diabetic, and you have a
sugar crash, and now you're hungry again. And that's just

(01:26:16):
one of the mechanisms it utilizes to keep you hungry.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
I mean, they brag, you can't eat just one.

Speaker 6 (01:26:23):
It's by design, so really quick, How big would you
weight insulin resistance? Are you carbohydrate skeptic?

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
No?

Speaker 21 (01:26:32):
The carbohydrate insulin model of obesity has been debunked by
very credible PhDs in nutrition science. And I am living proof.
I eat plenty of carbs. If you want to look
at it anecdotally, you want to look at it from
an observational perspective, The Mediterranean diet is arguably the healthiest
with regard to all of the pluses across biomarkers, and

(01:26:55):
it's sixty percent carbs.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
The key is the quality of the carbs.

Speaker 21 (01:27:01):
Hence you come back to whole foods ultra processed food,
those kinds of carbs, refined grains, refined sugars.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
That's what's exceptionally bad.

Speaker 6 (01:27:11):
Let's do a couple of questions. Super quick guys for Jillian,
and then we have to have you been on stage?

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
I have been.

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Thank you.

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I can imagine.

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Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
The Charlie Kirk Show.

Speaker 6 (01:29:03):
Caleb, what's on your mind when you were talking about
the people who are successful in their weight loss because
they were replacing whatever that need was with something else.
What were the best replacements that you observed in your experience.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
For that problem.

Speaker 21 (01:29:21):
Okay, so it's not necessarily that they were replacing the need.
It became more painful to do what they were doing
than the work and the sacrifice associated with the change.
So you have to work through the thing that you
are arguably losing.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
Because remember, for these.

Speaker 21 (01:29:40):
Kinds of people, and I'm saying these kinds of people
who are morbidly obese that utilize food as a defense structure,
it's affording them something that meant their psychological survival. So
you have to show them that while at one time
or another.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
This probably kept you alive. Drug addicts will tell you
the same thing. Alcoholics will tell you the same thing.
Now it's completely counterintuitive to you. You need to recognize
the pattern.

Speaker 21 (01:30:03):
You need to learn that you're safe without this, and
to be totally honest, it takes years of therapy. Not
everyone breaks through, and this is one of the reasons
I wonder if something like psilocybin or eye will gain
would be helpful because we've seen the incredible transformations that
it's given.

Speaker 23 (01:30:21):
Drug addicts welcome back.

Speaker 6 (01:30:35):
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Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
It helps them work this stuff through.

Speaker 21 (01:30:43):
At an accelerated pace and has an eighty plus percent
secession rate. But right now you can't do it because
it's schedule one, which is absurd.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
So they have to do all of this work. You
have to surround them in a community that's supportive. You
have to dopamine. He talks them like, there's a lot
that needs to be done. That's why it's free.

Speaker 6 (01:31:05):
Say again, like devices, dopamine des like that type.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Of So think of it like this. The food is addictive.

Speaker 21 (01:31:11):
I interviewed an addiction specialist by the name of doctor
Anna lemk Itt stance dopa bingo, Yes, and she's like,
you can talk to me all day long about trauma,
but when they're still hooked on this stuff, there's no hope.
Hence the reason that you would want to simultaneously detox
them from the chemical addiction while working on the psychological

(01:31:32):
component and then building in successes with the food and fitness.
It's unfortunately as simple as it is, it's it's it's.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
Hard, and it is multifactorial. But understanding that is the
first step, and working on each one of these things
as it presents presents itself to you goes a really
long way.

Speaker 6 (01:31:52):
Thank you. I do want to get anyone in the
line that hasn't asked a question today. I'm sorry, you're
everyone's I don't mean to No, that's all right, No,
you're good man. I'm sorry. You can still wait in line.
I just want to make sure we get to people
that haven't yet had answered question. Yes, sir, I was wondering.

Speaker 12 (01:32:06):
So I recently read in the Epic Times about vaccines
and how the studies with autism and vaccines, how there
was many flaws and they sometimes they only tested one
form of vaccine. And it was written by doctor you're
saying he was really unsure if he didn't see anything
about evidence of vaccines necessarily causing autism.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
Just probably Joel Worshly wrote it. He's great point.

Speaker 12 (01:32:34):
So sorry, My question was, have you seen any anything
that points to vaccines actually causing autism?

Speaker 6 (01:32:42):
Or is it just a lack of studies.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 21 (01:32:45):
What I can tell you, having tried to explore this
with very credible experts, is the solid and safe answer
here is we don't know because of several factors.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
And I don't want to take up a ton.

Speaker 6 (01:32:57):
Of time out right. I'm sorry, I'm just managing no, no, no, if.

Speaker 21 (01:33:00):
It's okay to explain this one real quick. So CNN okay,
hold on, let me back up. You've seen Kennedy say
we need better research, we need gold standard science.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
Okay.

Speaker 21 (01:33:09):
So CNN goes out and they crowd source a freaking appendix,
a spreadsheet of studies that had placebo controlled trials on vaccines,
and they're like, look at he's a liar, he's a dummy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
This is all you know.

Speaker 21 (01:33:26):
It's it's it's the disputed debunked.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
Okay, here's the bottom line.

Speaker 21 (01:33:31):
First of all, over half of the vaccines on the
spreadsheet aren't even on the children's schedule.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
Okay.

Speaker 21 (01:33:36):
Next, what Kennedy is Kennedy's asking for is an inert placebo.
So this means if one kid had saline and another
one had the vaccine, the inert place ebo was the sailings.

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
You can do a true study on it.

Speaker 21 (01:33:50):
But for the vast majority of those studies they use
something called an active comparable as the placebo, and that
means a previous vaccine, which is bananas. Let's say that
wasn't the case and they did use in inert placebo,
that'd be amazing. What did they actually do the study
on efficacy, it worked ten years from now, okay, but
not long term safety, imugenicity, How well did your body

(01:34:13):
mount a response to the vaccine?

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
Okay? So that took almost all of them off the table.

Speaker 21 (01:34:19):
So now there's like a handful less than I can
count on one hand that had inert placebo, not all
of them, a handful of them that utilized inert placebo
for long term safety.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
None of them were done.

Speaker 21 (01:34:33):
Pre licensing of the vaccine. So what Kennedy is telling
you is in fact the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
We don't have the studies.

Speaker 6 (01:34:43):
Now.

Speaker 21 (01:34:44):
I'm sure you saw him on Tucker talking about b
and having in a eleven hundred and thirty four percent
increased risk of autism. And I could get into all
of that, but what they were looking for, and it's
no longer in the vaccine despite other concerns. They were
looking at something called thi marzol, which is a preservative
that's fifty percent mercury by weight.

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
That is no longer in vaccines. But obviously if.

Speaker 21 (01:35:08):
You look up, you know, hey, mercury and health issues
not awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
It's not awesome, but it is.

Speaker 21 (01:35:16):
Out now, and there are other adjuvants like aluminum.

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
We just don't know.

Speaker 21 (01:35:21):
Like with MMR, you've got three different vaccines now together,
not individually.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
Have they done those kinds.

Speaker 6 (01:35:27):
Of statues with t depth?

Speaker 21 (01:35:29):
Exactly the point hence the reason he's saying, Look, I'm
not taking away your vaccines, but there's definitely something going on,
and we certainly don't have the gold standard science.

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
Why don't we ask the question if.

Speaker 6 (01:35:40):
This is what's it's a truism of life. If you
have nothing to hide, why are you offended by the question? Exactly?
It doesn't make any sense, Exactly. I just like, okay
for anything, you can ask any question. Like I'm not
saying there's something there, but I do approving wrong on
campus for three hours. I have nothing to hide. Ask
me anything. Can I do? Approve me wrong with the
CEO of five?

Speaker 18 (01:36:00):
Here?

Speaker 6 (01:36:00):
Can I do it? That's all for today. Talk to
you guys tomorrow. God bless h