The Charlie Kirk Show Files, July 14, 2025

Commentary on reviewing of the SAS, Jeffrey Epstein, the younger generation of republicans, Vladimir Putin, the Southern Border, Israel, Gaza, and the debate between Josh Hammer and Dave Smith on Israel 
 

Guests: Alex Marlow and Josh Hammer

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
The Charlie kirkshow starts Now, I.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Think the campaign was hard.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Do you think what President Trump went.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Through was hard?

Speaker 4 (00:24):
And it was?

Speaker 3 (00:27):
The road ahead will not be easy. I can attest
personally that in my work as the Director of National Intelligence,
the deep state is fighting us every step of the way,
and it exists within every single federal agency. And so
I feel the same frustration that I see many of

(00:47):
you expressing on X or in different platforms about why
aren't things going faster? Why aren't we getting results more quickly?
I feel this frustration every single day. We are pushing hard,
know that they are pushing hard back.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
The left is panicked.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
Why because you aren't playing by their rules anymore. They
want you to sit down and shut the f up.
They want you to stay in your lane. Little did
they realize that you would build your own road and
go right through them. You all stand unapologetically for free

(01:30):
speech in the places that they thought they owned.

Speaker 6 (01:34):
Tonight, I'm talking to you.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
We got the.

Speaker 6 (01:37):
Most secure border in the history of this nation, in
their history. Early Grayson done ninety six percent that these
ninety six percent less people are coming, We're ninety six
percent less people are coming how many women are being

(01:57):
great by the cartels, how many children are dying journey,
how many reponnels of fatanol is to getting to the
country kill America.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
So you know he's not a communist either, right, So
ron So he.

Speaker 7 (02:09):
Says he wants to sees the means of production, but
he doesn't mean any of that.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
He's not authentic.

Speaker 7 (02:14):
Do you know how I know he's not a communist.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
His teeth.

Speaker 8 (02:17):
You gotta check out his teeth. They're not just white,
they're toilet bowl white. You're whiter than Joe Biden's. And
we've seen Joe Biden's teeth. Right, you don't get away.
You don't get that sort of color of teeth without capitalism.
That's cosmetic dentistry, that's zoom, that's veneers, it's capitalism.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
He's a fraud, he's a phrony.

Speaker 7 (02:38):
We all know that.

Speaker 9 (02:40):
We're going back to gender neutral, color blind, merit based
performance standards. We do readiness, we do accountability, we do
war fighting, we do lethality. We don't do social experiments experiments.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
We don't do politics. I don't care.

Speaker 9 (03:05):
In my formations. I mean, I have my political views.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
And you have yours.

Speaker 9 (03:09):
But I don't care in my formation. If you're a
Republican or a Democrat. Do you love the country? Have
you sworn oil to defend the constitution?

Speaker 10 (03:18):
What do I think about amnesty for farm workers? I
think it's the most grotesque thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 11 (03:22):
Are you joking?

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Amnesty for farmers?

Speaker 10 (03:26):
We have like sixty million illegal aliens in the country.
The country bears no resemblance to the country I grew
up in, and it's not better, it's worse. So I'm
not going to sit for another lecture from anybody telling
me we need to import more people to write code,
or pick grapes or any other task.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Be who you are.

Speaker 12 (03:45):
Don't pretend you're a lefty in order to win any
professor's the humor.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
He's not worth it.

Speaker 12 (03:50):
Get your d on your paper because you refuse to
argue that capitalism is bad and wear it like a
badge of honor. Bring it with you into your job interview,
and that will make sure you align with.

Speaker 7 (04:00):
An employer who's right for you right.

Speaker 12 (04:04):
Don't say that you support flamed parenthood the way they
want you to. Don't call yourself a feminist because your
teacher will give you pats on the head, stand up
for what you really believe in.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
And that's how we.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Spread the good word. The youth delivered the White House
to Donald Trump. The next generation rose up in record numbers,
and I started to see it at the proved me
wrongs across America. We would just start with a couple
hundred students and all of a sudden, like one thousand
students would come, and all of a sudden, they'd be
wearing red hats. As far as the eye could see.
Usaid there's something profound happening in this country. There's something

(04:36):
that is deep, that is larger than what the media
is covering. And we turned that red maga hat from
a symbol that everybody was afraid to wear back in
twenty sixteen, we're now in twenty twenty four. We turned
that into a symbol of hope, into a symbol of optimism,
of patriotism and taking back our country.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Every day is a battle for your mind, raging information
coming from every angle, but the will to the sieve
fear not. You found the place for truth, the voice
of a generation that still has the will to believe
in the greatest country in the history of the world.
This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Fuck a lot, here

(05:22):
we go a lot.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Okay, everybody, radio stations across the country honored to be
with you as always were back in the Bitcoin dot
Com studio. I had a very relaxing weekend, sitting by
the pool and getting a good tan, sleeping in till
one pm. That haven't been up to much, of course,
it's the exact opposite, insurer, I've never worked so hard
at any event in Turning Point USA history. The team
will attest to this. It's just up at six thirty

(05:48):
seven and literally no breaks. I think I maybe stopped
for ten or fifteen minutes to eat something. I was
just so excited to be around these young patriots. The
event had an energy, It had a buzz, It had
a fatality, It had a life of its own that,
quite honestly, we've experienced very rarely in Turning Point USA history.

(06:09):
Part of it was that the grassroots had questions. The
grassroots was engaged. You know what. You wouldn't think that
an event like we're hosting at the Student Action Summit,
coming after an election, you'd have this kind of spark
and this kind of energy. My schedule on Friday was
as follows, woke up very early, did Fox and Friends

(06:29):
Awesome with my friend Charlie Hurt. Went straight from there
and sat with the young students at Turning Point USA privately,
one hundred of them, table by table for over an
hour listening to them, learning from them. Went straight from
there and spoke to the chapter leadership summit for an
hour and a half and took questions. Dashed to our
program here, did two hours live on radio, then Boom

(06:49):
did another Fox News hit, and then straight from the
Fox News hit, went and did Approve Me Wrong for
an hour and a half where people were able to
ask non political cultural questions. Then went backstage, opened the event.
Then I had to go dash and go do interviews
at the member's only lounge of Charlie The Charlie Kirks
Show with Tucker Carlson. Then we did members only interview

(07:12):
that night with let me think who else there was?
It was Tucker that night, and there was somebody else.
And then after the Tucker one, went back to backstage.
Oh yeah, and then I had to go greet Pete Hegseth.
We did a members only interview with Pete Hegseth. Then
I went back to the main stage, interviewed Megan Kelly.
After I interviewed Megan Kelly, dashed back and did a

(07:33):
members only interview with the Apostate Prophet, which is an
incredible interview that you are going to love. Finished up
that members only interview with the Apostate profit to then
only have to go to two donor dinners, a couple
donor meetings, all in between getting lots of phone calls
about the very slow news weekend without any caffeine, purely

(07:54):
on water and patriotism. That was just Friday. Saturday was
even crazier. But we decided to push ourselves harder than
ever and we are the hardest working organization in the country.
We do more content, we do more events, we do
more grassroots engagement than any other organization out there, because
we believe the nation is at stake, the nation is

(08:15):
at in peril now. Plenty was said this last weekend
at our event about Epstein. Honestly, I'm done talking about
Epstein for the time being. I'm gonna trust my friends
the administration. I'm gonna trust my friends in the government
to do what needs to be done, solve it balls
in their hands, I've said plenty this last weekend, So
if you guys want to see my commentary on it,
that's fine. We have escalatory action potentially being taken in

(08:39):
Ukraine and Russia. We have tons of announcements happening when
it comes to NATO. But let me just say this again.
Everyone knows my opinion about the Epstein thing, the messaging fumble.
I would love to see the DOJ move to unseal
the grand jury testimony. I think that would be a
big win. I would love to see that. And I'm
gonna trust my friends Cash Pattel, Dan Bongino, my friend

(09:01):
Pam Bondi, all these guys. I'm going to Todd Blanche,
I'm going to trust them to solve it balls in
their court. I think that there was plenty of, let's say,
speeches that were directed towards this topic this last weekend,
so we don't need to spend our valuable time on
this program relitigating it. And by the way, this last

(09:21):
weekend we also had a lively debate on stage that
you should check out, which I'm going to talk about
later in the hour. I think we have Josh Hammer
joining us in the second hour about Israel. Josh Hammer
versus Dave Smith that's gone super viral all about Israel.
But taking a step back, I want to remind you
the big picture, and the big picture is this. What

(09:41):
I love about these events is I'm able to talk
to people directly. We did a focus group, by the way,
yesterday morning with well over fifty of our top Turning
Point USA students, and well ho that focus group is
going to go viral. Think like Jubilee times ten. Hearing
straight from students about issues that matter to them. The
Student Action some it was the largest we have ever had.

(10:04):
And President Trump was negotiating ends to war, and understandably
he was not able to make time. Jade Vance was
with his family, understandably not able to make time even
with that, and we would have loved to have them both.
We had seven thousand people, their largest ever student Action summit.
This is a movement that is durable, that is strong,
that is growing. We had Pete Hegseth, We had Tulca Gabbard,

(10:28):
we had Christy Numbs, we still had three Cabinet secretaries,
and we also had Tom Homan. Coming out of this event, though,
I want to repeat something that I told almost every
reporter to keep this movement together, to keep this movement
via the dominant generational movement and to make this the
most permanent generational shift since Woodstock, is that we must

(10:53):
be honest and serious about the renter economy versus the
owner ship economy. This kept coming up from students at
our event. The repetition from the students which is, Charlie,
I wish our leaders would just talk about how I
can't afford homes, Charlie, I wish our leaders would emphasize

(11:14):
about how I can't afford anything. And they said, we
love President Trump, we want the one big beautiful bill
to work. And the takeaway is that they want their
leaders to dress their immediate concerns when we win elections,
and I think President Trump is doing this. We must
govern in a way that fulfills the mandate. So I

(11:35):
look at myself almost as I mean, look, I wear
a lot of different hats, but in some ways I'm
an advocate. I'm like a special interest group advocate.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
And I had a.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Great conversation with the President on the phone last night
expressing this. I'm kind of a special interest advocate for
three groups, the conservative base, evangelicals, but most importantly and
most well known for younger people, younger voters, and you
could add the muscular class on top of that, because
we have a really good connection on this program and

(12:06):
through all of our advocacy with the muscular class. As
a side note, what's so awesome is when we do
these events, the guys taking out the trash, the guys
that were cleaning up the conference center, and they do
such a great job. They work tough, tough hours, a
lot of overtime. They all wanted selfies. They were all
giving us thumbs up. They were black, they were Hispanic,
they were diverse. That's our base. It was so good,

(12:27):
but specifically with younger people, I feel as if I
am a I'm a special interest group advocate. And I
say that kiddingly because I mean, what our younger voters
really a special interest group? No, of course not. But
what I'm saying, though, is that I'm trying to deliver
a message as a conduit, as a transmitter, as a interloctur,
if you will, saying the next generation is prime for

(12:53):
a permanent conservative realignment. It is temporary. So far we've
lived through a temporary conservative realignment. It is not permanent.
I know this generation better than any other prominent conservative,
not because I'm one of them. I'm a little bit
older than I'm thirty one. Lotdies kids are eighteen to
twenty one. But because I have spent hundreds of hours

(13:16):
asking questions, and Andrew will attest to it the way
that I ran that focus group yesterday. I'm able to
get down to the heart of the matter very quickly.
I know their lingo, I know their language. I'm able
to extract it because when you do as many campus
events as I do, you start to see patterns, and
you have pattern recognition, and it's a lot more accurate
than pulsing and macro data. And here is the kicker.

(13:40):
You are going to see more Zorn Mamdani's. You're gonna
see more. By the way, there's another Muslim running for
mayor in Minneapolis, big surprise, and he's arguing for the
exact same thing. You're going to see more mam Donni's
and aocs and elan Omars and Rashida Talibs. You're going
to see a rise of mom donni Ism in addition
to Mahat Mahama Hamaedism. So you have both kind of together.

(14:01):
But mom Donniism coupled with Muhammedism. If we do not
achieve and fulfill the mandate to get younger people to
own homes, get married, have kids. If we do not
fulfill that mandate, if we do not have young people

(14:22):
be able to own instead of rent, then you will
see an introduction of radicalization or politics. Here is Muslim
mayoral candidate Omar Fetta. I do want to cover this
action in the next segment, So actually, I'm not gonna
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the break.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
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Speaker 1 (15:58):
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(17:26):
email us is always freedom at Charliekirk dot com. If
we fail to make renters and owners or here at
the bigcoin dot com studio, if we fail and we
fall short, which again I think President Trump is really
onto something with the cutting the rates thing. If we
cut interest rates, a lot of this ownership economy becomes
more real. The tragedy is this and I know this

(17:50):
because we're here in Phoenix, Arizona, which was once one
of the most affordable cities in America and it's now
become one of the most expensive cities in America. Why
because during COVID this was a freedom beacon state. So
a lot of people sold their assets in blue states
that have much higher asset values because cost of living,
brought their appreciated capital into the state of Arizona and

(18:11):
created a housing rush with a limited supply. And next thing,
you know Arizona is now one of the most expensive
states in the country. And the tragedy is this, and
I know this from so many my wonderful staff. If you,
if you were able to get into the housing market,
let's just say before up until early twenty twenty two,

(18:32):
you are in a rock solid position. Let's just say
twenty twenty one, right as Trump left office. If you
though were able, if you have not been able to
and you wanted to get into the housing market in
twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five, you're
on the outside looking in. You're a renter. I mean
you take me for example. Again, we do very well
in this program. We're super blessed. God has really been

(18:56):
generous to us. But we were able to buy our
property and with like a two point eight percent interest rate,
it's ridiculous. Back during COVID, very very low. And then
of course then since COVID, that asset price has gone
up significantly and dramatically. I look at though, my fellow

(19:18):
employees or my fellow workers that want to now buy homes.
It's now at seven or eight percent interest rates, and
the homes are much more expensive. So the down payment
is more, and then the interest rate itself just makes
it impossible for them to even enter the housing market.
Not to mention, we have Blackrock coming in and buying

(19:39):
these homes and are bidding against our own young people.
And interest rates are only part of the pie because
unfortunately it won't help when like a garbage five hundred
square foot house costs six hundred thousand dollars. I think
that these major ten trillion dollar wealth managed funds and

(20:01):
illegal immigrants owning homes are two of the major problems.
So we got to figure it out. We have to
figure it out because if we don't. The red green
axis again, it's not always gonna be red green. It
just so happens. This is multiplying again. I'm gonna be
proven so right on this. People say, Charlie, you can't
say this, You can't say that Muslims are taken over
the West. Well they are. And I'm gonna say it

(20:22):
again and again and again because I see pattern recognition.
Sadik Khan in London, you have Zorn Mamdani in New York,
and now you have a new one, a guy who
wants to be mayor of Minneapolis, Omar Fata if we
do not solve the ownership crisis in America, which I

(20:44):
believe President Trump will, but it's a race against the clock.
It's literally a race against the glockets who gets there first.
Can we do it before this radicalism crescendos and peaks.
Can we keep the radicalism in its corner and into
the bowels of Americans society where it belongs, or is
it going to surface? Play cut two eighty six. Okay,

(21:14):
I don't know what that was, but apparently I thought
it was a video of him talking. Instead it sounded
like I was sitting in a nightclub. So apparently this
guy is Somali mayor candidate Omar Fata, who says, quote,
protecting all of our communities from Donald Trump means not
letting the Minneapolis Police Department interact with Ice, whether it's

(21:36):
an immigration raid or not. Again, so this guy is
a Muslim Somalian, so we've brought them in through mass migration,
and he doesn't care about So he's he's an instrument
for the destruction of the West. He wants this particular guy,
he wants Islamic socialist control over Minneapolis. And we've seen

(21:57):
this happen so many times. Mass immigration without assimilation is invasion.
Commit that to memory. Mass immigration without assimilation is invasion,
especially when you do it in such big numbers. So
my takeaway from the Student Action Summit was that these

(22:18):
young people have been sending us a distress signal, and
praise God for them. They're working their tail off their
starting turning point USA chapters. They are fighting on the
front lines, and they're saying, Charlie, can we just please
have a national project on marriage, kids homes, Marriage kids homes?

(22:41):
Said differently, mortgage marriage mating, mortgage marriage mating, the three ms.
Make it easier to have a mortgage, make it easier
to get married, and make it easier to mate those
three things, the three ms. And if we don't do that,
the warning that I derived from our seven thousand faithful

(23:03):
students is Charlie after us the deluge, so we better
stop it. Be right back.

Speaker 11 (23:21):
Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm
Terrence Bates. You're looking live at the White House where
President Trump is set to participate in this Faith Office
lunch and it's set to get underway here momentarily. We'll
try to take you there live the moment it happens.
You can see everyone simply waiting for the President to arrive.
In the meantime, the President also hosting NATO's Secretary General

(23:43):
there at the White House, the two leaders discussing everything
from sending weapons to Ukraine, to negotiating with Vladimir Putin
and trying to end the war between Russia and Ukraine,
to the success of the recent NATO summit.

Speaker 13 (23:56):
This is really bigg this is really big. You called
me home Thursday that you have taken a decision, and
the decision is that you want Ukraine what it needs
to have to maintain to be able to defend itself
against Russia, which you do, want to Europeans to pay
for it, which is totally logical. And this is building

(24:17):
on the tremendous success of the NATO summit, the five percent,
but also the decision to keep Ukraine strong and the
decision to increase our defense industrial production. So based on
that that was europe stepping up. This is again Europeans
stepping up. So I've been in contact with many countries.
I can tell you that at this moment Germany massively,

(24:40):
but also Finland and Denmark and Sweden and Norway and
ed Kingdom, the Nevlands, Canada. They all want to be
part of this and this is only the first wave.
There will be more.

Speaker 11 (24:50):
President Trump is also threatening to punish Russia with tariffs
if there isn't a deal to end the war with
Ukraine within the next fifty days. In Kentucky remains in
shock following a deadly shooting at a small rural church
on Sunday. Investigators say the suspect was shot and killed
by responding officers, but only after he shot a state

(25:10):
trooper and then barbed into Richmond Road Baptist church, where
he killed a seventy two year old mother and her
thirty four year old daughter. Two men were hit as
well and are reportedly fighting to recover at the hospital.
One of the victim's family members believes the shooter came
to the church looking for a woman he has three
children with. He reportedly stormed into the church asking for

(25:31):
the woman after starting to shoot. The guy is said
to have a history of mental health, drug and angry issues.
That's a great check off your headlines. I'm Terrence Bates.
Now let's get you back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
Sent American Maid and Darn proud of it the Charlie
Kirk Show.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Okay, everybody, we have some videos going viral on TikTok.
In fact, Marina from our team on Turning Point USA
team texted me. She said, Charlie, this video now has
twenty million views. I was like, what are what is happening?
It's one of the ways we reach the next generation.
Can we show that picture of the Student Action Summit?
You don't want to know one of the reasons. One
of the reasons why we had seven thousand students in

(26:29):
Tampa at the Student Action summits because we're able to
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(26:50):
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(27:11):
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Economic impact dot com. Okay, breaking news. President Trump did
a press conference this morning with the head of NATO
to announce that there is a little bit of an

(27:33):
arms deal. It's different than what Biden did, but let's
walk through the basics. First, Trump recently paused weaponshipments to Ukraine.
Also said he'd only send defensive weapons to avoid escalating
the war. But President Trump has apparently gotten very frustrated
with Russia, believing they're not serious about reaching a peace deal.
Let's start to get some tape about this, guys. As
as I go through some of the facts here, please

(27:54):
so today, in a press conference along with NATO Secretary
General Mark Rute, Trump said America will quote send the
best military equipment to other NATO members, including offensive weapons,
which they are free to transfer to Ukraine. Per President Trump,
we are just being an arms dealer selling to our
allies who can do whatever, who can do whatever. But

(28:15):
it's clear this is meant to be up to up
the ante against Russia. President Trump is also announced a
fifty day deadline for Russia to make peace or face
one hundred percent secondary tariffs, which apparently would be tariffs
on nations that buy Russian oil. Let's play cut two
eighty four.

Speaker 14 (28:30):
Please, We've made a deal today where we are going
to be sending them weapons that they're going to be
paying for them. The United States will not be having
any payment. May we are not buying it, but we
will manufacture it and they're going to be paying for
our last meeting of a month ago is very successful

(28:51):
in that they agreed to five percent, which is more
than a trillion.

Speaker 15 (28:54):
Dollars a year.

Speaker 14 (28:55):
So they have a lot of money and they have
These are wealthy nations. They have a lot of money.
I want to do it.

Speaker 16 (29:00):
They feel very strongly about it, and we feel strongly
about it too.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Now Here, the situation is a little bit different than
what Biden did. But I'm gonna give you my thoughts,
which is it's not a direct just weapon transfer to Ukraine.
At least somebody is purchasing them. Now, we have to
make sure this actually ends up happening, and I believe
it will. So NATO or Europe is basically going to
be an intermediory arms dealer with the United States that

(29:27):
will buy the arms from the United States, hopefully generating
some revenue, and then bringing them and sending them to Ukraine. Now,
I want to see an end to this Ukrainian Russian war. Personally,
I don't want us to send any more arms to Ukraine.
But at the same time, I want you, if you
agree with me in principle, what would you do if

(29:50):
you were President Trump. He's in a very difficult position here.
So let's walk through this, because I've done a lot
of thinking about this. So President Trump started by trying
to warm up the relationship between Vladimir Putin and America.
Good phone calls, kind of talking like more friendly. Remember

(30:12):
Joe Biden had that relationship dead, that relationship was dead
to rights. We didn't even have a back channel. And
right out of the gate there was a very bullish
trend and he gave Putin a huge leash. And there's
no better way to tick off President Trump. And honestly,
it would tick me off if I was in the chair,

(30:32):
would tick you off if you were president. Where you
have a great conversation with a foreign leader. Oh, yes,
everything's great, let's do a deal, and then boom, Vladimir
Putin is bombing churches on Palm Sunday, which did happen?
Now Russia will say, well, you know, there's been assassination
attempts against us, and we're responding in that capacity that regard, Okay,

(30:53):
it's a war. There's always I guess a couple sides
of this, but some open advice for Vladimir Putin. Don't
play Trump as a fool. This is not Joe Biden,
this is not Barack Obama. And so President Trump has
tried outright diplomacy multiple times. Now. If you think about it,
President Trump does not want to see the Russian army

(31:16):
march all the way to Kiev on his watch. I
don't think anyone wants to see that that would not
be good. So it's a very difficult balance. It's a
very difficult balance because of course Ukraine has not been forthright.
I mean, this guy is the greatest salesman since P. T. Barnum.
He shows up to America, you know, dressed like an
uppity foreigner in a black T shirt, and he ends

(31:38):
up with sixty billion dollars. I mean, Zelenski's the greatest
salesman we've ever seen. President Trump wants to see the
war end. He doesn't want to see the war lost.
And as someone who honestly I'm not I'm kind of like,
I don't want to see more arms to Ukraine. I don't.
I've said that, repeat, I said it under Biden. I

(31:58):
have a great deal of compassion and understand for President
Trump here. And I'm not just saying that because he's
a friend and I know him. And if you disagree
with me, then email me what you would do if
you were president, because this is not an easy one.
This one's a toughie. So President Donald Trump is doing
rationally the most important thing of which there is really

(32:19):
no downside in the pursuit of diplomacy if you think
about it, Vladimir Putin thinks that he understands domestic American politics.
Here's Vladimir Putin's perspective. He's not feeling Russian angst, as
we've explained on the prior show, because he's getting all
his troops in the rural parts of Russia, not from

(32:40):
Moscow or Saint Petersburg, where the Russian elites or oligarchs live.
So it's basically very poor Chechenians that are dying in
the war and are just being used as cannon fodder
for Vladimir Putin's agenda. So Vladimir Putin is making a bet.
And here is the bet that Vladimir Putin is making.
He is betting that America does not have the stomach

(33:02):
to keep financing or to keep sending American weaponry. Almost
all of Vladimir Putin's political calculus is based around the
first principle that America domestically is done with this, and
he's going to seize on that and he's going to
take advantage of it. So President Donald Trump is saying, no,

(33:27):
your first principle is incorrect. Play cut two ninety four.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Will these be patriot missiles specifically or a patriot batteries
that you're planning, and.

Speaker 17 (33:39):
When you win everything, patriots and all of them, it's
a full compliment with the batteries.

Speaker 15 (33:45):
And when you expect him to arrive in the crisier, well,
we're going to have something come very soon, within days actually,
because a couple of the countries that have patriots are
going to swap over and will replace the patriots with
the ones they have.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
So President Donald Trump saying this is now as he
now has a leverage point against Vladimir Putin. Oh really,
mister Putin, you're gonna tell me that you want to
do a deal and you're starting to go bomb children's
hospitals or whatever. I mean again, it's a warm Ukraine's
doing stuff they shouldn't be doing. Russia's doing stuff they

(34:21):
shouldn't be doing. I'm not getting too into the details.
It's so it's, by the way, it's a very confusing
war to follow. Seven thousand people died last week, and
we act like it's okay, Oh yeah, fine, seven thousand,
seven thousand people died, and we just kind of shrug
our shoulders. We're gonna roll our eyes over all that.

(34:42):
President Donald Trump continues and cut two ninety three, saying
that he'll impose very severe tariffs of the one hundred
percent on Russia if no deal is reached Play cut
two ninety three.

Speaker 17 (34:53):
I'm disappointed in the President of Putin because I thought
we would have had a deal two months ago. But
if it doesn't seem to get there.

Speaker 16 (35:01):
So based on that, we're going to be doing secondary
ters if we don't have a deal in fifty days.

Speaker 17 (35:05):
It's very simple, and they'll be at one hundred percent.
And that's the way it is. That can be more simple,
but it's just the way it is. I hope we
don't have to do it.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Now. Here's the argument that some are making. They're saying
this is a problem for NATO or Europe to be
in buying weapons because they want to bring Donald Trump
and America into this conflict. But I actually don't share
that view, and I think President Donald Trump has beyond
earned our confidence and our trust after what happened with Iran.

(35:40):
I think President Donald Trump has shown he does not
want a war against Russia. He does not want a
hot kinetic war. He doesn't and he didn't want one
against Iran. He doesn't want a quagmire. So I don't
share that view. Do I think that we could potentially
be stuck with a funding problem and a relentless kind
of armament problem. Yep, I could see that. Could I

(36:02):
see this war going on longer, then we would like it.
But let me repeat. If you are in my philosophical camp,
which I bet a lot of you are, and you're
kind of fatigued with the war in Ukraine, you don't
want to keep on financing it. You're kind of like,
what are you guys even fighting for another one hundred
extra miles so another five hundred thousand people can die?

(36:24):
What would you do differently? And if your answer is
that we're just going to pull out completely, you run
a major geopolitical and political risk that Ukraine will no
longer exist as a country. Now, some people hold that view,
that is a firm view. Some people say that, hey,

(36:45):
if Russia wants it, Russia gets it. Now. The counter
I don't like as well, then in Russia is going
to march all the way to Paris Now they're not.
Actually Article five will prevent him from even stepping foot
into poland that's not gonna happen. The argument again, the
whole kind of slippery slope argument that oh, Vladim Putin's
gonna march tanks through Warsaw and then next thing you know,
he'll be running Brussels. No, Ukraine is different. So the

(37:10):
question is then the important question is not about Brussels
or Paris or Madrid. The more important question is are
you okay with Ukraine being conquered by Russia completely? And
that is a very complicated question. Now are you okay

(37:31):
morally or do you want to involve militarily. I'm of
the opinion that this is not our fight and this
is not our war. But President Donald Trump has to
manage a global economy as well. He wants to keep
the dollar as the world reserve currency status. This is
not an easy one. We need to aim for a ceasefire,
and I think President Donald Trump has that as an

(37:53):
ultimate destination. And I also think President Donald Trump dismisses
some of the more radical clamoring people, oh yeah, he's
gonna roll tanks all the way into progue, No he's not.
Just just stop it. That's not gonna happen. Will he
potentially take over Ukraine? And would it be a gut
punch to the European psyche and to continental Europe. Yes,

(38:14):
and so he's threading the needle. And so Putin basically
is not taking what Trump was saying seriously because Putin
was saying now, he didn't say it, but he was
acting as if, well, Trump, you have no cards. Well
now Trump does have some cards, actually, and that's why
he's doing the full compliment. Putin may be misreading the

(38:34):
influence of some of the Maga portion of the country
that wants no involvement in Ukraine. That's why I think
Putin's first principle is incorrect. And so Donald Trump says, oh,
you think you understand where we're at, Well, now I'm
doing a full compliment for Ukraine. Do you want to
negotiate now, mister Putin. So I have all the confidence
that President Donald Trump is going to keep us out

(38:56):
of any sort of kinetic dragging us into it. I
have no concern whatsoever. The reason why Iran I had
so much concern. There was a lot of other reasons.
Why with Iran is because we didn't know the rationality
of Iran. Russia I think doesn't want it either. That's
the other thing. Russia does not want to hot war
against America. But now President Donald Trump This is key.

(39:18):
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(39:40):
The aim should be the ceasefire, and I have faith
President Trump now has the cards to get that done.
Be right back.

Speaker 16 (39:49):
To that thing, being big, big big could have done
it all day long. Broke to the record by one
hundred and nineteen pounds. The whole thing is crazy. The
swimming records are pretty good too. You got to see that.
I told the story. You had this great group of
young ladies and they grew up with each other because

(40:11):
you know, they sort of swam at the top level.
And they were swimming and one girl was seriously injured.
She looked left and she saw the same girl she
grew up with, Kelly and California, same girls, you know,
that young age. They sort of rise to the top.
She looks at her right. She saw the same girls,
but there was this giant standing right next to her,

(40:33):
and he had transitioned. You probably heard this. He had
transitioned and she was never seen her before. And when
the race was started, he blew by her so fast
that she suffered massive wind burned. They had to take
her trip and he got out of the race and

(41:00):
he had a little lunch, and then he came back
and watched the rest of the young ladies finisher. The
whole thing is crazy, and it's so demeaning to women.
It's so demeaning to women, but it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Okay, everybody, welcome back. Email us as always Freedom at
Charliekirk dot com and subscribe to our podcast. Let's see
here I want to do we have a partner and
tell you about or no, okay, I want to now
get to another story here. Actually, let's just play some
of the best moments from the student actions while it's
still fresh. We had some amazing speakers. By the way,

(41:48):
we have our student actions some at Strawppole results coming
out soon. Let's play cut two forty six from Tom Holman,
one of the greatest accomplishments from this administration, it needs
to be repeated on a daily basis, is how now
we now have a hermetically sealed border and the invasion

(42:09):
is over. It is a incredible accomplishment. Please cut two
forty six tonight.

Speaker 6 (42:17):
But I'm talking to you. We got the most secure
border in the history of this nation, in their history.
Early rumor gresson down ninety six percent. Then these ninety
six percent less people are coming. When ninety six percent

(42:37):
less people are coming, how many women are being raped
by the cartels, how many children are dying making that journey.
How many pounds of fat and aw is to get
into the country kill American.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
What they've been able to accomplish, What President Trump has
been able to do at the southern border, He can
golf for the next couple of years and still call
this presidency a success to stop the invasion of foreigners
into the United States of America. Now it's time also
for mass deportations, and we are getting mass deportations. We
had Christino and we had Tom Home, and I spoke
to them both publicly and privately, and it like a

(43:13):
commitment and unspeakable resolve to the mass deportation agenda. It
was an honor to have our good friend Pete Hegseth,
Secretary of Defense, sect deaf man. I've seen motorcids in
my life. That is the closest thing to a presidential

(43:33):
motor kid. When Pete hegg Seth pulled up to our event,
he came in with forty three people. It's amazing. But
he's still the same person. He was still the same person, humble, strong,
for a fortitude, excellent resolve. Here's Pete Hegseeth at the
Department of Defense. One of the best rated speeches, play

(43:55):
cut two forty eight.

Speaker 9 (43:57):
We're going back to gender neutral, color blind, merit based
performance standards. We do readiness, we do accountability.

Speaker 18 (44:14):
We do war fighting, we do lethality.

Speaker 9 (44:16):
We don't do social experience experiments.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
We don't do politics.

Speaker 9 (44:21):
I don't care in my formations. I mean, I have
my political views and you have yours, But I don't
care in my formation. If you're a Republican or a Democrat,
do you love the country? Have you sworn ill to
defend the constitution?

Speaker 1 (44:37):
And you know, we had dozens of young men, I
think some young ladies, but mostly young men that said
they wanted to join the military because of behad Seth speech.
They have hit their recruitment goals so early they need
to go to Congress ask for more money to satisfy
the recruitment goals. And under Biden, the recruitments were record
lows recruitment. Military recruitment is a poll test of national morale.

(45:04):
When you are hitting your national recruitment numbers, when you
are hitting your military recruitment numbers, it is a leading
indicator for national revival, for national revitalization. We also hosted
a debate Josh Hammer versus Dave Smith about Israel, and
I think we're going to be airing part of that

(45:25):
on Real America's Voice. We should post that sooner rather
than later on the Charlie Kirkshew podcast page. By the way,
that's the reason to subscribe to Charlie Kirkshew podcast page.
We have all sorts of incredible content and we have
Josh Hammer coming up an hour two. So actually, I
don't want to spend time on that because we'll do
that with Josh Hammer will kind of go through that.
But let's go to this one here, which also went

(45:47):
very very viral. I could tell you that which is
Tucker Carlson smashing the push for amnesty Play cut two
forty nine.

Speaker 10 (45:57):
What do I think about amnesty for farm workers? I
think it's the most grotesque.

Speaker 18 (46:00):
Thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 11 (46:02):
Are you joking?

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Amnesty for farmer?

Speaker 10 (46:08):
We have like sixty million illegal aliens in the country.
The country bears no resemblance to the country I grew
up in, and it's not better, it's worse. So I'm
not gonna sit for another lecture from anybody telling me
we need to import more people to write code, or
pick grapes or any other task. Period it hasn't worked.
The country hasn't gotten richer, it hasn't become more unified.

(46:31):
Those words should burn on the tongue of anyone who
utters them.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
How dare you talk like that?

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Amnesty?

Speaker 1 (46:41):
This was the most successful student action summer in history.
We made a lot of headlines, We had a lot
of spirited debate, a lot of discussion. Was a phenomenal success.
Email us Freedom at Charliekirk dot com. Subscribe to our
podcast second, how We're coming up? Okay, everybody, welcome back.

(47:20):
Email us as always, Freedom at Charliekirk dot com. We
are here at the Bitcoin dot Com Studia that is
the Bitcoin dot Com Studio, and subscribe to the Charliekirkshow
podcast That is the Charlie Kirkshow podcast page. Joining us
now is Alexmarlow, Editor in chief of Breitbart dot Com,
host of The Alexmarlow Show. Alex, great to see you.
We were just with each other a couple days ago

(47:42):
in Tampa, Florida. Remind our audience walk them through what
this event was like for you.

Speaker 7 (47:47):
It was an amazing event for me. Charlie, congratulations are you.
Guys are the centerpiece of the political universe right now,
and that's the point. We're a free Ida, free speech country.
We should be a movement that is routinely checking in
and where we stand on various issues. It's one of
the things I admire most about President Trump, and it's
why I was so enthusiastic about guys like you know,

(48:07):
Robert Kennedy, not a traditional Republican, being a part of
Trump's cabinet. It is the spirit of challenging ourselves to
be sharp on all the ideas, and your conference has
just become the absolute nucleus for that.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
So it's there.

Speaker 7 (48:21):
Is if you go to these things and you just
want it to be combaiot agreement all the time.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Then you're just being so lazy.

Speaker 7 (48:26):
And that's some of the vibe I'm getting online is
just outrage that you guys would have discussions about certain things.
Just no, no, thank you, please stop count me out
of that.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah, So what would you have to say to people
that they saw a speaker they didn't like and then
they try to blame me for having that speaker because
they didn't like that speaker. And by the way it
goes all it's all across, you know, it's on both
every possible garden variety of that. How should we approach
that question of platforming and of running an event like this?

(48:58):
You have something to say about this running Brightbart as
long as you have, please, I love your commentary on this.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, I'd like to never want authority on this thing.
So let me tell you. I can only speak for
myself here, Charlie.

Speaker 7 (49:07):
But once you tell me I cannot have a person
that I've chosen as editor in chief of Bright Part
to platform on my platform, I have no other choice
but to have them again over and over again. So
you're actually hurting your own cause by suggesting that you
can't have X, Y or Z person speak, especially if
you use in a public way, because then I don't
have any other moves. My only move is if we're

(49:28):
playing chess here is to platform them again and again
and again. And so if you really want to get
through to me, that's just not the way to do it.
And yet I did see that a lot online, Charlie
telling you, well, we can never do this again.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Well, then what's your reaction.

Speaker 7 (49:40):
Your reaction is probably going to be, well, now they're
just going to be the centerpiece of the whole thing
because you can't tell me what to do. Charlie, you
didn't do this for ten twelve years, but you've done
turning point to have people chirping online to say that
to try to control what you're doing in your platforming
and which voices you want a feature, that's not why
you built this. So I know this is someone who
built something similar and was told the same stuff. So

(50:02):
I find it to be something. It'll blow over, people
will calm down. But overall, the vibe of the event
was very exciting, and I think it is wevery vibrant
movement with a lot of super interesting, smart people who
were constantly challenging each other to bring the heat. I
watched the whole debate last night on the plane with
josh Hammer.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Now, what'd you gave that?

Speaker 7 (50:22):
They're so they're both so sharp. It's like, I agree
with Josh way more than I agree with Dave. But
they both had commanding presences. There was the right amount
I think of emotion because it's an emotional topic without
it being too emotional. And they were bringing all this
detail and facts and that I didn't know all of it,
and I read this stuff twenty four to seven, so
I thought it was a total treat. And it's not
something you're getting anywhere else. So why are we saying, oh,

(50:42):
this is unique, this original, No one else is doing this.
Oh well, then let's just stop doing it. No, that's
the exact wrong way to approach media.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yeah, and honestly, I don't want to give too much
credence because I think the criticism rises to the surface.
The audience loved it. I've gotten hundreds of hundreds of
messages and thousands of comments because I'm moderated. I think
I have very strong views on this stuff, and I'm
very much in Joshua's view. I think Dave brought up
some points on the neo conservatism stuff that I'm fully

(51:10):
in alignment, but as anti Trump stuff obviously I don't
agree with. But what would you say when people say, well,
you can't platform that person even though it's in the
in the scope of a debate.

Speaker 7 (51:21):
Yeah, I completely disagree with that, And I'll tell you why,
because I learned so much about Dave from this, because
it's the most i've heard him speak, And to be
honest with you, I didn't find his arguments overly persuasive,
but I felt like that was actually comforting to me
that I felt like, as someone who's mostly pro is
reel very much as Zionist looking at this debate, I

(51:42):
did not feel overly intimidated, but I got to understand
where he's coming from. I'm very empathetic and sympathetic to
someone who's coming from the sort of rom Paul wing
where rom Paul's invindicated again and again over the years.
And if that's sort of your baseline and you're just
going to assume that, basically, I'm taking that he's my
north star and then I'm gonna pick and choose from there.
It helps me understand where people are coming from. How

(52:02):
am I going to understand where he's coming from unless
if I'm not one to seek out his content, unless
someone like you is moderating a form like this. It
just it makes perfect sense to me. And the key
to media, the key to getting people's attention right now
is you have to do something unique, you have to
do something original, and where else you're getting a debate
like this, I haven't seen one in forever.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Well, thank you, and by the way, it is one
that our students especially are seeking clarity on. Yeah, they
don't really know how they stand on these issues. They
don't really oh, because they're told one thing and what
I was, what I was. The biggest takeaway is like Charlie,
thank you, I have more clarity of how now I'm
going to think about this. Their their mind is not
going to be made up in an instant. These things

(52:40):
are culminating over periods of time. And again, we have
Josh Hammer coming on later in the show. I encourage
everyone to watch it. It's on our YouTube channel, we're
posting it on our podcast, that's on our x feed.
It already has millions of views. The way I moderated though,
because I watch a lot of debates, and I participate
in a lot of debates. What ends up happening is
debate or a and debated b start talking past each

(53:01):
other and you end up discussing a nuanced portion of
the rabbit hole that nobody in the audience cares about.
So they were talking about like something and like a
prime minister of Israel in two thousand and two, like guys,
is no one knows what you are talking about, okay,
or the Barracks bombing in nineteen eighty three. So it's
the moderator's job to try to bring it back into
a place where the audience can actually follow it. Otherwise

(53:23):
they're like, no, the sixteenth point you made is incorrect. No,
my sixteenth point is right, and you miss number one,
two or three. Yeah, And so I also, I can't
stand when you know, there's interruptions of debates, and it's
just it's very important to try to keep decorum. And Alex,

(53:44):
wouldn't you say, though, this makes it a lot different
than the Democrats. Would you would you ever find a
Democrat conference where they would have a debate like this
on in front? I don't think so, right, So, if.

Speaker 7 (53:56):
You want to go back into my history in the
conservative movement. I've been think I don't think it's overly
I know that it's self praise, but I've been I
think had some of the most longevity and effectiveness in
the conservative.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Wh'vement of the last few decades.

Speaker 7 (54:10):
It all started when I was UC Berkeley and I
thought I was a libertarian. But u C Berkeley there's
only one conservative club, the College Republicans, and I just
showed up because I thought, I think I'm a political guy.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
I think I'm a conservative.

Speaker 7 (54:21):
I'm gonna go and they would do debates amongst themselves.
They would have the Ron Paul Libertarians, who were sort
of no war, very limited government, and then you would
have the George Bush style Republicans, who were huge government.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Every war.

Speaker 7 (54:34):
They agreed on nothing. And yet somehow we were in
the same club. And I found that to be utterly fascinating.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
And so if that's.

Speaker 7 (54:40):
The moment we're in, it's fine with me. It's I'm
a pro Israel guy. I tend to give the Israel
to benefit the doubt on a personal level, but I
don't mind being challenged.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
And if you do, then grow up. Stop being a baby.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Yes, and doesn't it make us stronger. And look, I
have a lot of sympathy for the rom Paul stuff.
There's so much stuff that Ron Paul said that. What
it did is it made me at least reconci a
certain foreign policy doctrine and dogma. Definitely made me less
neo conservative. But I don't agree with everything wrong. Paulse
id to legalize all drugs and you know no that
that stuff is silly. But I want to just kind

(55:12):
of get to a point here, which is that here's
a question, then, Alex, then where do we draw the line?

Speaker 18 (55:18):
Who?

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Then do we not platform? What criteria? Then would you submit? Again,
I'm running the event. You know you're you're a great advisor.
What what would a matrix criteria be for such a thing?
Here's where my criteria is, either you're a good faith
actor or bad faith actor. It's very easy, it's self
evident to use a Jeffersonian phrase. If you're a self

(55:39):
evidently bad faith actor, you're not You're not going to
get a platform from me or an organization out.

Speaker 7 (55:45):
Yeah, here's the thing I would say to you in
private triial. Try to say it exactly the same in
public as I would say in private. A lot of
your power, if not all of your power, is because
you've built a lot of credibility within conservative politics, which
is legitimate power, and that when you weigh in on
something politically, when you're leading your herd somewhere politically, it
makes a difference. And you don't want to waste that

(56:06):
for just for a few extra clicks.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
And we're in a media.

Speaker 7 (56:10):
Economy where attention seeking behavior is rewarded right now, whether
it's good or bad attention, it is rewarded in the marketplace,
in this sort of podcast marketplace that we're in, and
you have to pay attention to people who if they're
tipping a little bit into the I'm just trying to
get attention and clicks at the expense of substantive arguments,
at the expense of seeking out truth and what is

(56:33):
productive for the movement, not just over the next three weeks,
but over the next thirty years. Then I feel like
it's probably not worth the time. But that said, you
can always check yourself by trying something new. And I
always remind myself of this at Bright Part News. If
i feel like I'm too set my ways, I'll try
to do something different just in order to try to
challenge myself and see what it's like and to test waters.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
So you're free to do that.

Speaker 7 (56:55):
You should feel boldened to make mistakes, but overall you
feel like you could be erouting some of the trust
people have built in you.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Politically, Then I feel like, here's about.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Again, this is for me to decide because I'm in
charge of YEA and yeah, they can say whatever they want.
I have to make the decision. Are you seeking to
be a statesman or a philosopher or are you a
performer or an actor, which in the ancient virtues were
the lowest of all the ancient virtues. So if again,
if we have the appearance over lots of period of
time that you're just like trying to basically be a

(57:27):
court jester and you're a bad faith person to just
try to get clicks and there's not deeply held beliefs
or can be explained with prudence or wisdom or at
least to have some sort of admission or reconciliation towards wisdom,
then you know you're not gonna come on stage criticizing
as hard building as hard coalitions are hard, the student
actions some it was a major success. Alex Marler continues after.

Speaker 16 (57:49):
Booth, I said, wait a minute, give me a tank
of guess and I'll fly it to Pakistan, or I'll
fly it to someplace, or I'll fly back home. Why

(58:10):
is it cheap or it's just cheaper. That's when I
realized the guy was grossly incompetent. Okay, tell me it's
cheaper to leave a plane than it is that the
place goes to one hundred and fifty million apiece.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Let's leave it, sir.

Speaker 16 (58:20):
It's just great. And they did. They left all. You
know they I was taking everything, but they left it behind.
But when you look at what happened and compare that
to what we have now, we have a We have
a real great machine. I rebuilt the military my first term.

Speaker 19 (58:36):
And we left.

Speaker 16 (58:40):
We left some of it to Afghanistan and the Taliban,
and they have their parades. I hate those parades. Every
year they have a parade wheeling down our equipment on
some very unattractive street that's, you know, their fifth avenue.
They show our equipment going down just it's getting older
and older. But I hate to say it, but we're

(59:02):
going to be working together to protect our children with
the grace of God and blessing of Providence, we will
lead our country to heights that it's never seen before.
I think we're going to be more successful in many ways,
but I think we're going to be more successful than
we've ever been. And I do think this if we didn't.

Speaker 19 (59:19):
Catch it, Welcome back everybody.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Email us as always predam at Charliekirk dot com and
subscribe to our podcast. Alex, you were around the conference
in Tampa. What would you look at Bitcoin dot com studio?
What did you learn from the students. What did open
your eyes about how they're feeling, what they're sensing from
a political standpoint, Because it was buzzing with youthful energy
that which I wish most of our leaders would take

(59:58):
time to seek to understand.

Speaker 7 (01:00:00):
Smartlowe, Yeah, it's really important to understand. This is these
so they want to be reached, they want to be
talked to, they want to be respected, and one of
the reasons why is because they're leaving these online lives
and they don't get that physical interaction. I mean, it's
just seeing people is such a pleasure for them to
see the people who are their favorite characters in the

(01:00:20):
Because this is Charlie, we know we're witnessing the greatest
movie of all time, the Trump era of American politics.
We've never seen anything like it. It's the most entertaining
thing ever. And these are their characters, and they see
them show up in person and they're talking to them
and tailoring messages to them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
It just really delights them.

Speaker 7 (01:00:35):
So it's really important for them to do this, and
I'm glad that you keep getting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
These great rosters of speakers. But they're also so much smarter.

Speaker 7 (01:00:42):
Than I mean, I'm not exactly an old guy, but
when I was on the campuses twenty years ago, eighteen
years ago, whatever it was, I didn't have a fraction
of the information is the normal person does who's just
going around these campuses because of the Internet, because of
the accessed information. So these are incredibly smart people and
they're very mouldable and so but they have to be
expected too because they like agency, they like dignity. So

(01:01:04):
I mean, it really is terrific to get to understand
what's important to them and what interests them and what
draws them into the political fraight.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
What would you say, uh, Because there's like a couple
major issues Aid to Ukraine, mass deportation, slash some not
President Trump whispering amnesty. What were the what were some
of the biggest issues that you were hearing about. I
know Epstein got a lot of attention. I don't want
to talk much about that. Okay, I think we've exhausted it.

(01:01:31):
I told people in the audience, like, I am trusting
my friends the administration to precede the balls in their court.
I Cash, you're the man, Bongino, you're the man, Pam,
great friend, balls in your court. Take it, run with
it the full faith. I think all that all that
is said is needed to be said this last week,
and it's just repeating the same thing over and over again.
But what else, What was like the most shocking thing

(01:01:52):
that you wish an average older conservative could learn from
what you saw at the event or the conference.

Speaker 7 (01:01:58):
Yeah, but I think the Epstein thing, what's in about
it is not is that that's worth mentioning. Is that
the transparency thing is is a big deal. And authenticity
and feeling like you can trust the government is a
big deal. And over promising and undering under delivering is
going to affect newer voters to the coalition. And I'll
tell you, Charlie from my audience. I had put a

(01:02:18):
lot of cold water that we were ever going to
get great answers on Epstein. I figured they were either
too complicated to release and they could really interfere with
the lives of innocent people, or there wasn't It wasn't
as bad as people thought.

Speaker 19 (01:02:32):
Is.

Speaker 7 (01:02:32):
I mean, we knew as bad obviously, but that stuff
was out there, so I was always very skeptical we
get much. But it's the over promising from certain members
of the administration that things were going to come out
that's the real problem.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
And that's the point.

Speaker 7 (01:02:44):
Is the authenticity and the transparency really makes a big deal.
They do not want to go and fight useless wars
for other countries, that is flat out, and that's why
it is. I think that's a very important pressure because
I think the way Trump handled the Iron situation was perfect,
but I think gay World War three or ground war
is totally it would be intolerable to the whole nation.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
So it's good to see that.

Speaker 7 (01:03:07):
And I do think there's a deeper concern that the
system is rigged to favor a few people the very
very top, and that is something that the right is
not I don't think we're grappling with that. And you
brought this up as much as anyone, Charlie, that if
we don't figure out a way to message on this issue,
we run the risk of seeing the mam Donni's rise,
who have terrible ideas. But you say it with a

(01:03:28):
smiley face, and maybe you say it persuasively and it
could get through to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Some low information people.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
And if we do not have more young people be
able to own homes and stop renting, political radicalism will rise.
Political radicalism will set in to the nation and the country.
Final question here, Alex Marlow Biden auto pen. You've covered
Biden a lot. I got to let you riff on this.

Speaker 7 (01:03:56):
Yeah, it's the This is exactly what we thought we
were getting when we had heard that. This is the
best case scenario in terms of people who think the
Biden administration was basically illegitimate. When you see that he
did not approve many of the name's pardoned with the autopen.
This is where the legal apparatus, if worked effectively, can

(01:04:16):
start unraveling parts of his administration, because if we can
determine that was in fact illegal, it should be the
president's supposed to sign this stuff whoever came with his
autopen it is for certain things. For certain things, maybe
they'll determine it was okay. But for certain things this
is absolutely illegitimate. This could open up some of those
investigations to try to get justice for President Trump and

(01:04:36):
for the American people who.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Got railroaded by this guy.

Speaker 7 (01:04:38):
So I'm not surprised, but I'm very heartened that we
now have attack vectors in terms of trying to unravel
some of the horrible stuff Biden did.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Alex Marlow check it out. Breitbart dot com does excellent work, Alex,
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Charlie email us Freedom at Charliekirk dot com. So yesterday
we hosted a now very viral debate of Israel topic
I was gonna say Israel verse whatever, it was just
Israel with Josh Hammer and with Dave Smith. I want
you all to check it out. It's on our YouTube page,
it is on our x feed. We're going to post

(01:05:14):
it actually as a podcast, so I want you guys
to check it out. We're going to recap part of
it with Josh Hammer, as I think it was the
first to bed ever moderated. We'll be right back.

Speaker 11 (01:05:30):
Welcome back to this Real America's Voice News break. I'm
Terrence Bates. You're looking live at the White House where
President Trump is set to participate in this Faith Office
lunch and it's set to get underway here momentarily. We'll
try to take you there live the moment it happens.
You can see everyone simply waiting for the President to arrive.
In the meantime, the President also hosting NATO's Secretary General

(01:05:52):
there at the White House. The two leaders discussing everything
from sending weapons to Ukraine, to negotiating with Vladimir Putin
and trying to end the war between Russia and Ukraine,
to the success of the recent Natal summit.

Speaker 13 (01:06:05):
This is really big, This is really big. You called
me on Thursday that you have taken a decision, and
a decision is that you want Ukraine what it needs
to have to maintain to be able to defend itself
against Russia, which you do, want to Europeans to pay
for it, which is totally logical. And this is building

(01:06:26):
on the tremendous success of the Natal Summit, the five percent,
but also the decision to keep Ukraine strong and the
decision to increase our defense, industrial production. So based on
that that was europe stepping up. This is again Europeans
stepping up. So I've been in contact with many countries.
I can tell you that at this moment Germany massively,

(01:06:49):
but also Finland and Denmark and Sweden and Norway and Kingdom,
the Nevlands, Canada, they all want to be part of this.
And this is only the first wave. There will be more.

Speaker 11 (01:06:59):
President Trump is also threatening to punish Russia with tariffs
if there isn't a deal to end the war with
Ukraine within the next fifty days. Lexington, Kentucky, remains in
shock following a deadly shooting at a small rural church
on Sunday. Investigators say the suspect was shot and killed
by responding officers, but only after he shot a state

(01:07:19):
trooper and then barged into Richmond Road Baptist church, where
he killed a seventy two year old mother and her
thirty four year old daughter. Two men were hit as
well and are reportedly fighting to recover at the hospital.
One of the victim's family members believes the shooter came
to the church looking for a woman he has three
children with. He reportedly stormed it to the church asking

(01:07:39):
for the woman after starting to shoot. The guy is
said to have a history of mental health, drug and
angry issues. That's a great chuck off your headlines. I'm
Terrence Bates. Now let's get you back to your regularly
scheduled programming.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
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by My Patriots Supply That is my Patriots Supply dot com.
That is my Patriotsupply dot com. Email us as always
freedom at Charliekirk dot com and subscribe to the Charlie
Kirkshow podcast page. Joining us now is Josh Hammer. Josh,
great to see you again. We were on stage together yesterday.
I guess to make it fair, we should have Dave

(01:09:37):
Smith also on the show. But we could have Dave
back on at another time. But Dave I do want Josh,
I do want to take this opportunity just to promote
the debate for those that haven't seen it to recap it.
So Josh, I want to get your opinion. Then we're
gonna play some pieces of tape and then Josh, I
want to give you an opportunity to maybe finish some
points that you might not have had time to do so.

(01:09:58):
But first, Josh, your impression, your experience at the turning
point USA high profile Israel debate.

Speaker 20 (01:10:05):
Well, first of all, Charlie, thank you for the imitation
to appear at the debate, and thank you for moderating.
You moderated an outstanding debate. I told you in person
afterwards that I thought it was ten out of ten.
You did a fantastic job there. Look, it's a very
emotional topic and emotions run high there, but there are
a lot of substant points on both sides. One of
the things that I that I want to do, and
now that we've already seen what happened, I think it's

(01:10:26):
very clear in retrospect that it was a deliberate, one
of many deliberate tactics on my end to try to
make sure that the people there understand and the audience
watching at home around the world that MAGA and America
first and the Trump doctrine of foreign policy simply does
not mean why Libertarian isolationists like Dave Smith think that
it means or what they think it ought to mean.

(01:10:47):
The Trump doctrine of foreign policy is a nationalist, realist
foreign policy. It is a third wave form policy between
the equally absurd extremes of neo conservatism on the one
end and isolationism on the other end. And Charlie, that
was a theme that I tried to hit over and
over and over again through the course of this debate.
It was a very lively audience. The audience was super engaged.
There all sorts of applause lines I thought for both

(01:11:09):
of us, the occasional boo at times as well. But
it was an incredibly enriching and rewarding experience, and I'm
deeply happy that I did it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Yeah, and so I want to play some pieces of tape,
but I want to congratulate both you and Dave. Usually
on Sunday, the rule it works at the rule at
Turning Point USA events is Sunday. We'll be lucky to
have like one third of the room filled. It's just
the way it is. People fly home, they're like, Okay,
I had a long night the night before. But it

(01:11:37):
was packed. I mean, it was the most packed closing
to a summit we've ever had outside of having Trump
or something like that, obviously. So let's just play some
pieces of tape here that have gone viral. But first
I want to go to a piece of agreement that
I think is important. I want to first play cut
two fifty seven where I throw it down and I say, look,

(01:11:59):
we and you can criticize the net and Yahoo government, great, Dave, Josh,
you know you can have a view on you know,
Irani intervention, but we're not gonna put up with this
jew hate stuff. It's not gonna happen. We're not gonna
put up with it. Play cut two fifty seven. There
is a rise of I just think some disgusting stuff online.
I'm not blaming you for this. I'm not one of
those people, right, But what do you have to say

(01:12:22):
that there's this like dark jew hate out there and
you see it and I see it. I hate it.
It's it's not good. Yeah, and everyone in this audience, guys,
don't get yourself involved in that. I'm telling you, well,
rot your brain. It's bad for your soul. It's bad,
it's evil. I think it's demonic, Josh. I think that
was an important point. Dave agreed, and it really kind

(01:12:44):
of fenced in where this is what I think good
faith argumentation versus kind of the slop that we see
emerge far too often online.

Speaker 18 (01:12:55):
Yeah, and this is the critical distinction.

Speaker 20 (01:12:56):
Look, there are so many parts of US is relation
of US involvement in the Middle East, more generally US
involvement in this in the twelve Day war against Iran.
I think all this is totally fair game. What should
the level of USA to Israel?

Speaker 18 (01:13:11):
What should it be?

Speaker 20 (01:13:11):
Should there actually be a Dave and I actually agree
that that aide should be phased out. We disagree on
the timeframe, but we broadly agree that US aid to
Israel ends up being something of a mutual bear hug that,
in my judgment, actually ends up undermining both the United
States and Israel in the midtal long term. So there
was actually no small amount of agreements when you kind
of go between the lines there. But this clip that

(01:13:34):
we just saw, Charlie is so important, and throughout your
entire career you've just been such a stalwart friend of
the Jewish people, defender of the Jewish people.

Speaker 18 (01:13:41):
Charlie. You and I are friends.

Speaker 20 (01:13:41):
We talk a lot offline, and you know I've told
you that what you go through on college campuses when
you have these crazy people that have gone down these
rabbit holes on social media that are talking to you,
Charlie Kirk, a young Evangelical Christian, about what is in
the Talmud.

Speaker 18 (01:13:57):
First of all, my heart breaks.

Speaker 20 (01:13:59):
So this is where we are in the year twenty
twenty five, that a young conservative Christian is being asked
to defend the Talmud. It's just an utterly absurd thing.
On his face, it is just totally absurd. But more importantly,
you do an amazing job with it, an absolutely amazing
job of defending the dignity of the Jewish people, the dignity.

Speaker 18 (01:14:15):
Of the of the Jewish date of Israel.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
There.

Speaker 20 (01:14:17):
So God bless you and thank you for all you've
done throughout your career to defend the Jewish people in
the Jewish dam think. I think the crowd and everyone
watching at home saw that yet again yesterday, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
For saying that, and that is such a good point.
And look, some people are you know, how Charlie, how
dare you platform? Can you respond to that, Josh, because
they're saying, you know, why'd you platform? Dave Smith? By
the way, And I think that's ridiculous, but it was
a debate. Obviously, you know that. I think that we
actually get stronger through debate. We should be unafraid to
have those kind of discussions. How would you respond to that, Josh?

Speaker 18 (01:14:50):
So, first of all, this actually is not my first
time debating Dave Smith. Try.

Speaker 20 (01:14:52):
I actually debated him back in February at Princeton University
in New Jersey as part of the Steamboat Institute's Campus
Liberty Tour, I think is the name for that tour.
So this is my second time in just six months
debating him. So if people are blaming Charlie Kirk and
Turning Point USA for throwing Dave Smith into a debate,
then they probably have other organizations to blame as well.
Look Dave Smith, for better or for worse, Your mileage

(01:15:14):
may vary. I obviously am not a fan to put
a mildly of what the guy says.

Speaker 18 (01:15:19):
I think I think a lot of it.

Speaker 20 (01:15:20):
Is egregiously wrong, to the point at times of just
being utterly offensively wrong. But he has a platform, and people,
especially a lot of younger people, really really really tend
to do glom on to what he says and to
take what he says seriously and to the extent that
we're debating legitimate substantive issues are what is the nature
of US israelations? What should US Israel relations look like?

(01:15:41):
I think that is entirely legitimately fair game. Now, Charlie,
it would have been very different if we had gone
there on that stage and U, as the moderate said, Okay,
you know, Josh and Dave Wanni debate whether Israel is
a Nazi enterprise committing a Nazi esque holocaust in Gaza,
god forbid, or less debate whether Israel.

Speaker 18 (01:15:58):
Is in apartheid state.

Speaker 20 (01:16:00):
You know, there are some things that I think definitely
should not be subject to a legitimate debate, especially a
high profile, highly influential conference like TPUSA Student Action Summit.
But that's not what we did on stage yesterday. And
I'm really just quite pleased.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
With how it went. I want to play one more
piece of tape here, but now I want to get
let's just play this here.

Speaker 16 (01:16:17):
This is.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Towards the end and the agreements, and let's just go through.
You and Dave both agreed on a sun setting of
aid to Israel that the United States should decouple. And
I've said this for a while. By the way. Bb
Net and Yahoo has also said this that if Israel
is betting on the domestic support of the American body politic,

(01:16:41):
that is a risky support, risky bet. Things can change
over time. Let's go to the agreements. Let's go to
cut two fifty four. I want to just summarize, this
was time well spent. Both Dave and Josh agree on
some plan to wind down US Israel aid that was
an agreement, correct the timeline. You can debate about number two.

(01:17:02):
They both say every humans man image of God, and
we should not trivialize when you know the people are killed. Also,
I think we all agreed October seventh was awful. It
was terrible and should be talked about more and it
needs to be emphasized. We also agree this jew hate
stuff has no place in public discourse, period, end of story.
And I don't like it. It's disgusting and we need

(01:17:22):
to call it out when we see it. And finally,
I think the fifth is that I hope we demonstrated
both our participants got a little lively at times, that
this is a debate worth having, that it's better to
have this out in the open than silence people and
censor them and call them names instead. This is how
we solve our problems. Give it up for Josh and

(01:17:42):
Dave one last time, everybody, Thank you, So Josh comment
on the agreement.

Speaker 20 (01:17:48):
So you know, we talked a little bit about the age, Charlie,
but I'll just kind of reiterate my basic points here,
which is that US aids to Israel. I've been criticizing
this arrangement for the past decade. In fact, a pack,
first of all, APAC is not the boogeyman. A lot
of people think that it is. We have this conversation
on stage yesterday. They simply are not anywhere close to
as powerful as I think a lot of people think

(01:18:09):
that they are.

Speaker 18 (01:18:10):
The Easiest way to know that is.

Speaker 20 (01:18:11):
That a pack failed to stop Barack Obama's a nuclear
deal back in twenty fifteen. It was the number one
priority of the entire decade.

Speaker 18 (01:18:18):
They failed. But nonetheless, despite.

Speaker 20 (01:18:20):
That point, I'm not personally a fan of them because
they exist effectively in large parts to get these large
scale and annual aid appropriations roughly three point eight billion
dollars in the most recent aid package every year from
the US to Israel. Now, in my opinion, that aid
ends up being harmful to both countries. From the United
States perspective, it does end up being a crony capitalist

(01:18:41):
bit of the military industrial complex the President Dwight Eisenhower
famously warned about in his farewell address. You end up
essentially subsidizing Boeing North of Grumman, very large fat cat
defense contractors. People, you know, the kind of companies that
Lindsay Graham lobbies for. Are you frankly don't need any
more money falling into their coffers. But from issues of
you know, they should understand I think Israel that the

(01:19:03):
more that they are reliant on foreign aid, the more
that you embolden other countries that are not in this
case Israel to essentially wag a finger and know you
can't do X, Y Z thing, or else We're going
to cut off your aid. We saw that time and
time again, and from the Biden administration in particular after
October seventh. Then if you actually believe in Zionism, Charlie
Zionism is his word that has been tarred and feathered

(01:19:24):
by the Jihads, the cafia clad radicals on canvases. Zionism
is a very simple and actually beautiful concept. It is
the notion rooted. I would argue in the Book of
Genesis no less that the Jewish people have a god given, ancestral,
biblical right to their homeland. That's literally all the Zionism is.
So if you believe with that very simple, rudimentary proposition,
it stands to reason that the Jewish people actually should

(01:19:46):
determine that and that they should not be reliant on
anyone ultimately other than themselves to the extent possible. There So,
I think that this aid arrangement ends up undermining both countries'
interests in the mid to long term. Again, I think
Dave and I disagree very much on the timeframe. I
wouldn't I wouldn't cut that off, God forbid, in the
middle of an active seven front war, the likes of
which Israel has been facing since October seventh. But I

(01:20:06):
definitely think that in the mid to long term it
would be a good idea for both countries. And just
really briefly on the Genesis one twenty seven point Charlie.
In my book Israel and Civilization, I talk about how
Genesis chapter one, verse twenty seven the divine image imperative.
But sel Milchem, we would say in the Hebrew Amago
Day for our Catholic friends in the Latin this is
the foundational, ethical and moral imperative of all of Western civilization,

(01:20:29):
literally everything. In fact, I argue that Thomas Jefferson never
would have been able to write the words that he
wrote in the Declaration Independence. We hold these truths to
be self evident, that all men are created equal. Well,
where is he getting that from the Fourteenth Amendment, sweeping
claim of equal protection in section one the fourteen Men
the equal protection clause? Where is that coming from Martin
Luther King's speech in Washington, the civil rights at the

(01:20:50):
nineteen sixty four all these sweeping moral assertions of genuine
human equality in the American legal and moral order. It
has its roots root is the Hebrew Bible, and that
root is Genesis one twenty seven. So yes, we obviously
all care about the dignity and the humanity of every
single human being across the world, and is very important
no matter what conflict we're discussing, whether it's Gaza, whether

(01:21:13):
it's the Many Civil War or anything there. And I
do think it's curious by the way the law people
tend to assert this concern when it comes just to Gaza,
but tend to be a little silenced when it comes
to Yemen or Syria or Boca Harama, Nigeria and so forth.
So I will call them out for some hypocrisy there,
but I try to be consistent in trying to believe
in Genesis one twenty seven what that means for all
conflicts all throughout the world.

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versus Dave Smith. Josh what points do you wish you
would have made or that you would have made more
completely had you had more time.

Speaker 20 (01:24:45):
Charlie, I would have liked to spend a little more
time and to be clear as a night you or
fault is. It's just the nature of how these debates go.
But I would have liked to take taken a little
more time to explain the the proactive humanitarian measures that
the Israeli military takes in Gaza to prevent civilian casualties.
There's a lot of exchange, a lot of accusations. Dave
Smith and people who agree with Dave Smith tend to

(01:25:07):
oftentimes accuse Israel doing terrible things, of slaughtering babies, of
indiscriminately just opening fire. Now on the debate, which I
agree with, when should go ahead and check out the debate.
I did talk a little bit about how we actually
have some numbers when it comes to civilian to combat
in death ratio one to one point five, as crunched
by John Spencer, the head of Urban Warfare studies at

(01:25:27):
West Points, a number that he says is the lowest
in the entire history of recorded urban warfare. Literally ever
so the most too main But I would have liked
to explain a little bit more about how the IDF
going back at least as far as the twenty fourteen
war in Gaza, arguably as far back, I think maybe
as even the prior conflict twenty twelve. They will literally
drop leaflets out of the sky onto buildings. They will

(01:25:49):
individually call up apartment buildings and stores and houses and say,
there is going to be a military operation here because
there is a Hamas facility headquartered as the case may be,
in the mosque where you are, in the housing area
where you are there.

Speaker 18 (01:26:03):
So we're gonna have to take care of this.

Speaker 20 (01:26:05):
So you have thirty sixty minutes, two hours, four hours,
whatever it is to basically get the heck out of Dodge.
They do this all the time there. So look, in
many ways, Israel is the idea of along the US
Army is the most moral warfighting machine.

Speaker 18 (01:26:18):
In the modern history of the world.

Speaker 20 (01:26:20):
So these continued allegations of just effectively just trying to
turn the old blood libel smear and then turn it
on the Jewish military when it comes to Gaza. It's
really just a frankly despicall line. I would have liked
to have taken a little more time to explain why
it simply is not the case there, because again they
go above and beyond Charlie. Sometimes, frankly, even some folks
in the US military have looked what Israel does, and

(01:26:42):
I've heard some veterans say, wow, I mean, we would
never do such a thing there. So, you know, we
complain a lot about how Barack Obama put overly restrictive
rules of engagement on our own place here in the
US military, Israel's goes so far, arguably, one might even argue,
but perhaps the times too far to impose ultra ultra
ultra strict rules of engagement on their own forces, all
trying to basically appease these nefarious and scandalous allegations of

(01:27:05):
industrially slaughtering children, none of which is even remotely true.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
And closing here, Josh, what would you say is the
takeaway of how young people are viewing this issue and
what you may be learned throughout the debate on a
better way to keep framing it to win over younger people.

Speaker 20 (01:27:23):
Charlie, Look, you and I are are in our thirties
at least I think you're in your thirties, you know. Yeah,
I'm thirty six, So we're effectively the same age. And
we grew up in the context and in the immediate
aftermath of the failed regime change, moralistic boondoggles in Iraq
and Afghanistan. And for younger millennials and gen z who
grew up in this context, they rightfully are skeptical when

(01:27:45):
it comes to US military involvement overseas. I think that
Operation Midnight Hammer, Trump's twelve day War, the thirty seven
hour be Too bomber runs in Iran could potentially be
an inflection point in showing to young people than not
every use of an Arkan military force. Trump did the
same theme with Kasaim Sulimani and Abu Bakar al Baghdati,
the head of ISIS, by the way back during his

(01:28:06):
first term. I think he has shown yet again with
this extraordinarily successful surgical strike in Iran, a strike, by
the way, that would not have been possible. We're not
for the idea of essentially neutralizing the Iranian air air
control and missile launchers and all that there. But with
this strike, I think that Donald Trump has highlighted for
young people for maybe the first time in their lives,
what a truly surgical strike, nationalist realist bombed the crap

(01:28:29):
out of randemies who want to kill us, and then
get the heck out what that kind of foreign policy
can actually look like.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Charlie.

Speaker 20 (01:28:34):
It is the Trump doctrine in action, as I've been
arguing for the past month, and I'm just proud to
call this man commander in chief because again he fulfilled
multiple campaign promises.

Speaker 18 (01:28:43):
With one strike of the blow.

Speaker 20 (01:28:46):
He has set Iran's nuclear ambitions back by many years
on the one hand, and two he did so without
starting a war, without a single American casualty.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
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