The Charlie Kirk Show Files, July 15, 2025

Commentary on Jeffrey Epstein, Russia and Ukraine war, American weapons, bbb, John F. MacArthur, mainstream media, government releasing information to the public, the Department of Justice, and Pam Bondi      
 

Guests: Sean Parnell, Marc Caputo, and Mike Benz

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
The Charlie Kirk Show starts.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Now, you know the death of the labor market has
been greatly exaggerated based on recent data, and I think
that all in all, the inflation numbers they're pretty respectable.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Here, I just want to.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Say to your audience, there is not a more hard
working president than Donald J.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Trump.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
I witness it with my own two eyes every day
that man is working around the cloth.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
He hardly ever sleeps.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
He's constantly thinking about not just the problems in our
country here, but around this world and how to solve them.

Speaker 5 (00:50):
President Donald Trump will be on campus later today for
the first ever Pennsylvania Energy and Innovation Summit.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Ahead of today's.

Speaker 5 (00:57):
Summit, Republican Senator Dave McCormick mailed a seventy billion dollar
investment in AI and energy across Pennsylvania.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
This investment will include construction.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
Of data centers, which require a great deal of energy
to power artificial intelligence. One project is set to target
Aul Equippa, and the president of our IDC says this
investment will bring jobs, boost the economy, and even more.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
You've said you were four times close to a deal
with preaching.

Speaker 6 (01:25):
I'm good ad to deal.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Four times are you, are you done with him?

Speaker 7 (01:29):
I mean, I know that sounds a simplistic.

Speaker 8 (01:30):
Thing, but I'm disappointed in him.

Speaker 9 (01:32):
But I'm not done with him, but I'm disappointed in him.
So we have a deal done four times and then
you go home and you see it just a tech
a nurse.

Speaker 7 (01:40):
Yeah, and Kiev, And so what the hell was that
of about?

Speaker 10 (01:45):
You trustin?

Speaker 9 (01:46):
I trust almost nobody.

Speaker 11 (01:49):
And what's the feeling around if Trump will actually release
any of these any more information, anymore files this year?

Speaker 12 (01:57):
Yeah, so you know, we can go with a conventional
with him. We can look at the betting markets, and
I think that this part of what's going on is
that a lot of folks are saying, you know what,
He's not going to release anymore files. The Trump administration
is not going to release any more files. Get this
Trump releasing more Epstein files in twenty twenty five. According
to the betting markets, you go two months ago with
forty percent, you go a month ago with thirty nine percent.
Now it is just twenty one percent. So the magabase

(02:21):
is hoping, is hoping that there'll be more files to
be released, but at this particular point, neither they Neither
they nor the betting markets in fact believe there'll be
any more files to be released, and that, of course
is a problem for Donald Trump based upon what we've
seen from the MAGA base over the last twenty four,
forty eight and seventy two hours.

Speaker 13 (02:39):
But what happened today, which is the Dariendustree has now
made a commitment to get rid of all dies, with
some by the end of twenty twenty six, and some
of them are already taking action, some of them already
gotten rid of the size we now have with this contribution.

Speaker 14 (02:56):
With his commitment, we.

Speaker 13 (02:57):
Now have about forty percent of the food into that's
already made that commitment, and thirty five percent of the
food industry was already had already gotten ready to die.

Speaker 11 (03:09):
There needs to be more transparency on this, and I
think that that will happen. I mean, look, I don't
know what truly exists there, but I know that this
is something that's important to the President as well. He
doesn't want transparency on all these fronts, everything we're talking about,
because it's frustrated him as well.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
He's going to want to set things right as well.

Speaker 11 (03:28):
So I believe that there will probably be more coming
on this and I believe anything that they are able
to release that doesn't you know, damage any witnesses or
anyone under age or anything like that. I believe they'll
probably try to get out suitor rather than later, because
they hear it and they understand it.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
So hopefully we see.

Speaker 11 (03:46):
That happen soon in the later and that I guess
that would be my advice. But to everybody out there
who's all worked up about it, there's no great block
to keep this information away that I'm aware of. I
do just believe that maybe it's been slow for reasons
that hopefully we understand.

Speaker 15 (04:03):
Downline, these students every day.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Are on the front lines.

Speaker 15 (04:15):
Being spared, being slandered, being canceled, being kicked out of classes,
kicked out of matrinities, kicked out of sororities. These are
the students that worked so hard to register voters this
last election.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
These are the students that start these chapters. They are
the vanguard for staying.

Speaker 16 (04:32):
In this country.

Speaker 15 (04:33):
This generation is the most conservative generation that we have
seen in well over fifty years. There's something profout happening
in this stuffy There's something that is deemed that is
larger than what the media is covering. Youth delivered the
White House for President Trump.

Speaker 17 (04:50):
We've been given this gift and now it's on us
we have to execute.

Speaker 16 (05:01):
Every day is a battle for your mind, raging information
coming from every angle, but the will to the sea.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Fear not.

Speaker 16 (05:09):
You found a place for truth, the voice of a
generation that still has the will to believe in the
greatest country in the history of the world. This is
the Charlie Kirk Show.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Fuck a lot here we go at.

Speaker 15 (05:24):
All right, everybody, Radio stations across the country email us
as always Freedom at Charliekirk dot com. We heard the
Bitcoin dot com studio. You know, we had a great
show yesterday by all objector measurements. People love the show.
We were covering all sorts of different issues. And remember
the backdrop. Over the weekend, we had an event that
was heard around the world and definitely heard throughout Washington,

(05:45):
d C. We had Megan Kelly, we had Donald Trump Junior.
We had the great Steve benn and we had Christy Nome.
We had Tucker Carlson, we had Pete Hegseth and Epstein
was brought up a lot over this last weekend and
I was doing interviews on epssee I probably talk talk
about Epstein and let's just say fifty five different environments,
one off podcast, interviews from stage, speeches, question and answer

(06:10):
interviews with reporters.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
It was a lot.

Speaker 15 (06:13):
So on Monday morning, I had a lot of other
topics I wanted to cover. I wanted to cover Russia Ukraine.
I wanted to call covered NATO. I wanted to cover
the potential closure of the Department Education, the layoffs at
the State Department. Wanted to cover some of the economic news.
Wanted to cover tariffs. There was a lot to cover yesterday,
and we covered it all well. We covered most of it.

(06:35):
We had phenomenal guests. We also did a recap of
the student Action summit. So yesterday I basically am paraphrasing,
I'm going to get down to the essence of it.
I said, look, guys, back and forth, possession was grassroots
this weekend on Monday, July fourteenth, Yesterday, it's going to
be possession administration.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
We covered it at this last weekend.

Speaker 15 (07:01):
And apparently the media who has interestingly not covered the
Epstein story at all, the media that has been silent
on the Epstein story, they found it so objectionable that
even though they won't cover the Epstein story for one
two hour interval after talking about it for forty hours
this last weekend, they find this to be the number

(07:24):
one news story. These are all the articles about me
this yesterday. So I'm Yesterdairs, what the heck is going on?
So I'm gonna read you exactly what I said. This
is a total obsessive hoax. And this shows you exactly
the power of this program, the power of the show,
and also the contradiction of the media. Look at all

(07:46):
those articles, and even some people will email me, Charlie,
why are you not talking about Epstein?

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Why are you saying to move on? I never ever
ever said move on.

Speaker 18 (07:53):
Ever.

Speaker 15 (07:53):
I didn't whisper it, I didn't think it, I didn't
say it. I am going to now read you what
was said yesterday. MSNBC did an entire seven minute segment
on me this morning, and I'm.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Looking at this thing. I said. That's not what I said.

Speaker 15 (08:07):
I did a special YouTube video about Epstein yesterday about
what Laura Trump said on Benny Johnson's program.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
All we said was that we talked about it a lot.

Speaker 15 (08:19):
Over the weekend, and we're going to focus on other
stories and we talked about it a lot at the
Student Action summit, and your voices were heard, Our voices
were heard.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
So this is what I said yesterday.

Speaker 15 (08:32):
Plenty was said this last weekend at our event about Epstein. Honestly,
I'm done about talking about Epstein for the time being. Nobody,
not a single news outlet said for the time being.
They did not include that second part of the sentence.
I'm going to trust my friends of the administration.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
True.

Speaker 15 (08:49):
I'm gonna trust Cash Bettel, Dan Bongino, Jade Vance. It's
their ball, it's their possession. I'm gonna trust my friends
of the government to do what needs to be done.
I've said plenty this weekend, and the ball is in
their hands. So if you guys want to see my
commentary on it, that's fine. We have escalatory action being
taken in Ukraine and Russia, we have tons of announcements

(09:11):
happening when it comes to NATO. But let me say
this again. You know my opinion about Epstein, the messaging fumble.
I would love to see this again. No one covered
the second part of the statement. No one covered it.
This thing has like ten million views on social media
and unfortunately too many people on our side fell for
this garbage and I get it heightened. And by the way,

(09:31):
part of this is I'm gonna have some compassion. This
is a very hot moment, very hot. And let me
be clear, I'm not trusting the government. I'm trusting individuals
that you too also trust. You guys are all fans
of Dan Bongino and Cash Ptel. We are trusting that
they heard you, they heard me, and they are working.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
To fix this.

Speaker 15 (09:52):
Let me finish this, but let me say this again.
I would love to see the gooj move to unseal
the grand jury testimony. We're gonna talk about that with
a guest later the show. I think this would be
a big win and I would love to see that.
I'm gonna trust my friends, Cash Buttel, Dan Bongino, my
friend Pam Bondi, all these guys. I'm gonna trust them
to solve it. Ball is in their court. I think

(10:15):
there was let's say, a lot of speeches that were
directed towards this topic.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
That's it. And by the way, today we're gonna.

Speaker 15 (10:25):
Cover it for nearly a full hour, but the media
went out of its way. Let's just put three twenty
three up there on screen again. All of these articles,
so they won't cover the essence or the story of
the Epstein story, but they'll cover the idea that somehow
Charlie Kirk is moving on. Never was that ever said

(10:45):
A no, is that the truth? And guys, they hurt us,
trust me, scudent action some it was near complete messaging saturation.
And so looking back, should I have said those five
words in the sequence? I said, here's what I should
have said and what I was saying. And guess what
you say, thousands of words on a talk radio program,

(11:05):
that all of them is as precise.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
You should have said.

Speaker 15 (11:07):
So this is what I was saying. Ball is in
your court. Guys, you are my friends. We got your
attention overwhelmingly.

Speaker 18 (11:16):
Fix it.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
That is what I was saying.

Speaker 15 (11:20):
And this was a mockingbird media hit from our guests,
from a lot of people chose to bring it up
all over the weekend, and that's fine, and to be clear,
we think they can fix it. So what I want
to make an addendum to what was said yesterday is
we're going to keep on talking about it. When I said,

(11:42):
for the time being, I was talking yesterday, I was
telling the audience, guys, I got a whole deck of
stories I gotta cover here. You see, they want to
cover MAGA in disarray, and there is so much going
on right now. So excuse me while I have an
obligation to you in this program to talk about a
rising kinetic conflict between Russia and Ukraine, to talk about

(12:04):
ICE agents being fired upon, to be talking about the
major issues with Mam Donni. We have a Minneapolis mom
Donnie rising up, So excuse me while I'm going to
use part of my program to talk about the other
issues and say, hey, possession was in the grassroots this weekend,
and now the possession arrow is in the hands of

(12:24):
some of who we all call these people friends. The
balls in Cashu's court, the balls in Dan's court, the
ball is in Pam's court. And I have over the
years known to trust these people to be able to
fix it, you see. But what's so disappointing, at disappointing
to an extent I get it, is that the magabase

(12:45):
is so fired up about this. And that's why I
didn't take this a lot of this seriously. Is that
you know people were incoming, Charlie, Why are you moving
on where it is no one's sane no one is saying.
But people are so fired up that if there's even
a semblance that this is not going to be prioritized,

(13:06):
people get upset. And of course I don't trust the
deep state. I trust people that I have known for years.
And what do I trust them to do. I trust
them that they hurt us because I know that they
hurt us. I know that the message of the student
action SEMIT was heard around the world very clearly. And
if there's one thing I've learned from you guys in

(13:28):
the grassroots, in this audience, you are not letting this
story go I know that. And number once that I
tell you guys to stop talking about it. This is
what's so maddening about the media coverage. They're so dishonest.
MSNBC Charlie Kirk tells audience to stop talking about When
did I ever tell you guys to stop focusing on it?

(13:49):
When did I ever tell you to keep the pressure off?

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Never?

Speaker 15 (13:54):
So I hope this is a learning lesson for a
lot of people that might have gotten a little fired
up about this. The media lie to you, and you
should look at exactly what people are saying, and also, guys,
look at what was done in a couple of days prior,
if I would have said that and there was no
student Action Summit prior. Okay, I think like a medium
level of intensity would have been justified. But after hosting

(14:16):
the radio program for two days and literally over twenty
hours of talking, I did twenty hours of talking, half
of which went on Epstein this last weekend. So excuse
me when I say, Hey, I want to talk about
rising home prices, and we're going to get to this
story continually throughout the week hence for the time being.
And so with that, and all of a sudden, people,

(14:38):
after all that we've been through and all the trust
that we've earned, people think I'm just dropping the story.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
It makes no sense. And for those of you that
saw through that crap, thank you. We appreciate it.

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want to hear from you. Email us freedom at Charliekirk
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Speaker 1 (17:30):
Moving on to other stories.

Speaker 15 (17:31):
The other part of it is like, oh, well, you
know Donald Trump called Charlie Kirk. Yes, he called to say,
how's the event going, what's the vibe?

Speaker 1 (17:38):
How are people doing?

Speaker 14 (17:40):
This?

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Crowd is so big.

Speaker 15 (17:43):
It's not breaking news that President Trump calls us. All right,
we're covering this all in hour two. For the record,
if you are transcribing, we're not moving on.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Did I say moving on?

Speaker 15 (17:55):
It's like we're moving on to another topic. We're not
moving on from Epstein. And I think this is a
very important thing. How about this progressing next topic? And
we're going to have a whole second hour on this.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
And I get it, I do.

Speaker 15 (18:13):
I get it because people are really fired up about this,
and we here on this program and many of us
kind of in the influencer podcast space. You guys are
the closest touch point you guys have to the administration,
and so we become kind of a let's just say

(18:36):
a vector and I take that so seriously believe me.
So when people were emailing me firing up, fired up,
it didn't bother me that much. It bothered me when
people said I was, you know, moving on, or that
I wasn't going to talk about the story.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
That was annoying.

Speaker 15 (18:54):
I said, guys, come on, look at what I actually said.
Someone says, Lynn says, so outrageous. I listened to you
yesterday and all weekend. It's just sick that the media
spinners twisted what you said. No one who listened all
to all the Summit and the Monday Show could have
believed that you were saying that anyone told you that
we should shut up about this. Thanks for reiterating today.
I'm sorry that these sick types are so bent on

(19:16):
dividing and conquering. God is on our side. God bless you, Charlie,
your family and your staff. Lynn, you're a great patriot.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Thank you.

Speaker 15 (19:22):
It's a great, great email. And I do want to
say though, that it is an honor and a responsibility.
And because a lot of people are fired up about this,
it's not breaking news. I've said that a while. People
are really animated about this because it involves children getting raped,

(19:45):
it involves a sex trafficking ring. It involves some of
the wealthiest, most powerful people out there. It very well
might involve our into community, which we're going to talk
about Mike Bens with Mike Ben's and so the bas
is really really animated about this. And you guys can't
email Donald Trump directly, but you can email me directly.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
And so I see it and I get it.

Speaker 15 (20:07):
So we kind of become a gathering point for the
excitement and the positivity, but also the angst and the anger,
and so over the last twenty four hours, we've kind
of just been a just a little bit of a
dartboard for a lot of people that wanted to blow

(20:28):
off some steam. And by the way, I know I
have no problem with people blowing off steam. Blowing off
steam is a big it is an important part of life.
Everyone blows off steam differently. Sometimes you just write a
letter and you don't send it. You go for a walk.
Could be very therapeutic. But now it's about fixing it.

(20:53):
And there was some breaking news yesterday. And why else
did I say that? Maybe because I've been talking and
I think that things are going to get fixed. Let's
play the Laura Trump Benny clip put all that in context,
let's play Laura Trump on The Benny Show.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Play this play the first one.

Speaker 11 (21:19):
There needs to be more transparency on this, and I
think that that will happen. I mean, look, I don't
know what truly exists there, but I know that this
is something that's important to the president as well. He
doesn't want transparency on all these fronts, everything we're talking
about because it's frustrated him as well. He's gonna want
to set things right as well. So I believe that

(21:39):
there will probably be more coming on this, and I
believe anything that they are able to release that doesn't,
you know, damage any witnesses or anyone underage or anything
like that. I believe they'll probably try to get out
suitor rather than later, because they hear it and they
understand it. So hopefully we see that happen soon in
the later and that I guess that would be my
advice to everybody out there who's all worked up about it.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
There's no great plot to keep.

Speaker 11 (22:04):
This information away then I'm aware of. I do just
believe that maybe it's been slow roll for reasons that
hopefully we understand.

Speaker 17 (22:13):
Down the line.

Speaker 15 (22:15):
Laura Trump says that President Trump hears you and that
she thinks that information will be released soon. The grassroots
pressure on this is enormous and they are hearing your voice.
Trust me, all throughout the digital world. It is enormous
and I would love to start to see some material

(22:36):
progress on this. And again, I know that people knock
me for saying this, but when you have friends, don't
you give your friends some opportunity to be able to
get it right, to fix it, especially once that memo
is delivered. Everybody, email us Freedom at Charliekirk dot com.

(22:56):
We're going to cover this extensively again in the second hour.
We have Mark Capudo from Axios and Mike Ben's coming
up the next hour all about Epstein. So email me
your thoughts about any questions you guys have for Epstein
and we'll ask them Sean Parnell from the Department of
Defense next.

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and Sean Parnell, Chief Pentagon spokesman. Sean, you're a great American.
Congratulations on all you're doing.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Sean.

Speaker 15 (26:59):
I'm so excs to have you get you on the
program because our audience is very confused and they want
to try to get clarity on what's happening with the
recent news with Russia and Ukraine, and so I just
want to give you an uninterrupted opportunity to make the
case and separate fact from fiction. Sean Parnell, Assistant to
SECT def for Public Affairs.

Speaker 19 (27:19):
Yeah, well, first of all, thanks for having me, Charlie.
It's great to be back on the show after a
little hiatus. You know, well, look, the Russia Ukraine conflict
has been a central focus for President Trump since he
was on the campaign trail. If you remember back to
the very first interview where he's had a town hall
with Caitlin Collins and she asked him the ambush question

(27:39):
of like, do you want Putin to win this war?
President Trump responded with something very simple yet also very profound,
and he said, I want people to stop dying. What
we've seen over the last year hundreds of thousands of
people dead in this conflict, and a central focus of
President Trump's second administration is bringing this war to a

(28:01):
peaceful resolution. You heard President Trump from the OVA Office yesterday.
Clearly he's frustrated with Vladimir Putin stringing along negotiations. He
doesn't seem like he's being serious. And so what we've done,
at the Department of Defense and at the President's direction
and the sec Def's direction, is provide a framework for
munitions that we can send to Ukraine to help them

(28:21):
defend themselves while the President pursues peace between Russia and Ukraine.

Speaker 18 (28:26):
And that's all we've done.

Speaker 19 (28:27):
And so we're going to continue to do that and
give the President robust options as he pursues the peace.

Speaker 15 (28:33):
So the skepticism from the audience, I would say on
the Russia Ukraine situation is that they do not want
to see America embroiled into another quagmire. I actually don't
share that concern. I trust the President. I trust you guys.
I think he demonstrated with Iran that he has incredible
wisdom and prudence to.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Be able to navigate this.

Speaker 15 (28:55):
So I don't share that concern. I do potentially see,
you know, in war, you have to enter things with
humility because things can get out of control and all
of a sudden, you know, NATO Article five, could I
guess get triggered.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Also, the audience does not like the idea of giving
away money.

Speaker 15 (29:13):
So is this a purchase agreement? Can you explain that
this is a purchase, not a giveaway.

Speaker 18 (29:19):
Yeah, it's such a great point.

Speaker 19 (29:22):
So yeah, I mean, basically, these are weapons made in America,
purchased by NATO. So that's that's just what this framework
provides for. And to your point about the base and
the audience, I completely understand that the skepticism in the
fear as someone who fought in Afghanistan for sixteen straight
months and to watch Afghanistan surrendered in twenty twenty one

(29:45):
was horrific.

Speaker 18 (29:46):
It hurts my soul just to think about it.

Speaker 19 (29:48):
And you look at American foreign policy in the twentieth
and twenty first century, whether it's toppling autocrats from Egypt
to Libya, to Syria to Iraq and Afghanistan, none of
that has paid off well for America. And especially when
you look at a wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and
what do we have? You ask yourself, what do we
have to show for those wars? After being embroiled for

(30:08):
over a decade in Afghanistan almost twenty years, we have
thousands of Americans dead, tens of thousands of Americans suffering
from the invisible wounds of war, and hundreds of thousands
of families who are affected by those conflict, and again,
what do we have to show for it? So the
skepticism and the fear from the audience is certainly warranted.
But I think you have to think back to what

(30:29):
President Trump has said and done in his first term.
He was a president of peace with the abrahams Abraham
Accords in his first term, and he's pursuing a path
of peace here in a second. Look at the Whoty
operation in the Red Sea, you had a clearly defined
mission in an end state. Look at the Iran operation
with Operation Midnight Hammer, you had a clearly defined mission
in an end state. So for President Trump, peace is

(30:52):
his focus. But in order to pursue peace and to
give yourself the strongest hand available at the negotiating table,
you have to be strong. And that is exactly what
President Trump is signaling in this Russia Ukraine fight, so
that he can set the conditions for peace moving forward.
And by the way, I fully trust the President. He
has never once violated the trust of this country or

(31:12):
the American people. That's why people love this president. When
he says something on the campaign trail, he makes good
on the promise.

Speaker 18 (31:20):
When he's in office. And by the way, that's something
that has been.

Speaker 19 (31:22):
Very different from Republicans and democratic administrations in the past.

Speaker 18 (31:25):
When the president says something, he actually does it and
keeps his promise.

Speaker 15 (31:29):
That is correct and that is true. So Sean NATO
is purchasing the money. And is it fair to say
that this is going to be a europe European led
purchase because obviously we give a lot of money to NATO.
I know that Europe is giving more and more money
to NATO, So is it NATO buying the weapons? Will
be mainly Germany, So kind of walk us through just

(31:49):
a little bit. There might be classified stuff here, but
I bet most of this is public kind of the
scope of the deal.

Speaker 19 (31:56):
So first of all, we should give credit work credits
due to the Secretary of Defense who has made it
a focus of his tenure as sect DEF to ask
the Europeans to do more. It ask the Europeans to
step up and spend more on defense between three point
five and now five percent. I would also add that
four months ago people were saying that it was not possible.

(32:21):
People were throwing shade at the sec Def and saying
that he couldn't get it done. But he did in
conjunction with the president. So we have our European allies
right now committed to spend more on their defense and
part of that deal is buying American weapons from America
manufactured in America as part of this framework to help
support Ukraine while he pursues peace. And as I understand it,

(32:41):
like this deal is very much it's very much in
the early stages, right, but you have different NATO countries
wholeheartedly on board with committing with giving their resources, financial
resources through yucom to NATO, which will then in turn
be weapons into Ukraine and money's back to the US treasury.

(33:02):
So again, this is a good deal for the country.
It's in keeping with the sectf's national defense strategy of
asking for our allies to do more while we can
shift our focus to the Endo Pacific where we think
it belongs.

Speaker 15 (33:15):
I love that because it's got it's got to be
all eyes on the rise of Chinese, the Chinese Communist
Party about their potential you know, military incursion with Taiwan.

Speaker 19 (33:25):
Yeah, and Charlie, it's the most thing, You're right, it's
the most pragmatic thing in the world. Like this is
America first, does not mean America alone, and if the
threats that we face in this world evolve, and they
evolve quickly, and the threats we think, you know, a
near peer adversary in China represents a what is a
very real threat to America and it's interests.

Speaker 18 (33:46):
China has said from.

Speaker 19 (33:46):
The very they've made it part of their of their
strategic calculation to be the world's loan superpower.

Speaker 18 (33:52):
And we want to do everything that we can.

Speaker 19 (33:54):
To stop that and keep America the number one loan
superpower in the world because Erica buy and large is
a force for good. In order to do that, we
have to ask our allies to do more, ask our
allies to be good friends and good partners while we
shift our focus to the end of Pacific, which is
again where we think it belongs.

Speaker 15 (34:14):
Okay, So Sean, now I want to talk about the
one big, beautiful Bill. I want to give you an
opportunity to make the case for the increase of defense spending. Obviously,
we're behind the president when the beautiful Bill was awesome.
But one thing, just like little whispers and murmurs, especially
amongst some of the younger demo, is they say, do
we really need to now go to a trillion dollars
on the defense budget. Can you talk about where this

(34:35):
money will be spent, spent, where it is going, and
how you believe this is necessary to fortify national security.

Speaker 19 (34:43):
Well, I mean, look the things that we're doing in
the Department of Defense right now, and I'll say, in
the first six months of the sectf's tenure here at
the Pentagon, he's done more than most secretaries have done
in the last four years. The changes that he is
making here in the Pentagon will be generational. I mean,
he's making the Pentagon. I think our country in the
world a better place by some of these changes and

(35:05):
removing red tape. So when you look at our overall budget,
we need to have a budget that supports that unbelievable change, right,
And so we're investing in historic things like F forty seven,
a six generation fighter. We're investing in things that have
never been done before, with multiple Manhattan projects in Golden
Dome for America to protect our homeland. We're talking about

(35:26):
we're talking about reinvesting in things or investing in things
that that we've never invested in before, Charlie. And so
we've got to give the sect F the resources that
he needs to accomplish the President's vision, and that's part
of the reason why we have the resources that we
do in this budget.

Speaker 15 (35:42):
In closing, here Sean talk about the increase of military recruitment.
That is it's one of my favorite things. I told
Pete this privately. In publicly, I said, Pete, you guys
should be talking about this every day, because that right there,
it's better than you know, some rest museen poll or
some sort of you know, morning console hole. The President
has said this to me before as well. Which is

(36:03):
the best indicator of national morale, strengthening of the ability
to see whether or not people believe in America and
they want to serve the country is military recruitment. Remember
after nine to eleven, military recruitment went straight up, right.
We've seen this at different times in American history, and
also in the midst of Vietnam, voluntary military recruitment went down.

(36:28):
Voluntary military recruitment started to go down towards.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
The end of the Iraq War.

Speaker 15 (36:32):
It also was at record low levels per percentage under
Joe Biden, especially after the f guest Afghanistan withdrawal. Where
is it now and brag on the success of the
increase of the military recruitment.

Speaker 19 (36:51):
So right now I'm co shaaring the Recruiting Task Force
here at the Department of Defense force wide. So we
could probably do another interview deep dive on all of this,
because it's an interesting yet complicated topic.

Speaker 18 (37:01):
But you are absolutely.

Speaker 19 (37:02):
Right the proof is in the pudding, and as it
pertains to recruiting, leadership matters. So take our let's let's
go back a year where President Trump was almost assassinated
on that stage in Butler under fire.

Speaker 18 (37:15):
You don't know, even regard even people that have all
the training in the world don't know how they're going
to react under under fire.

Speaker 19 (37:20):
President Trump was almost assassinated on that day, and within
seconds of being shot, the President stood up, pumped his fist,
looked out to the crowd, looked out to our country,
looked out to the world, and said fight, fight, fight defiantly.
So you juxtaposed that image with the image of Biden,
his predecessor before him, who is an animated corpse, had

(37:41):
to be dipped in the Lazarus pit every day. Every
day it was less and less affected, hardly an inspiring figure.

Speaker 18 (37:46):
And by the way, a week.

Speaker 19 (37:47):
After President Trump was almost assassinated. Biden resigns the presidency
in a pdf on social media, which is almost the
equivalent of writing, I quit on a napkin at work
before you leave. I mean, Biden embodied weakness. President to
Trump embodies strength likewise, so too does Secretary Heeg Seth.
And when you embody strength, it inspires people to say, hey,

(38:08):
I want to serve under that commander in chief. I
want to serve under this secretary. Defense and that is
the reason why you're recruiting right now has been historic,
and I don't think there's gonna.

Speaker 18 (38:19):
Be any end in sight.

Speaker 15 (38:20):
Charlie Sean Parnell, great work, Thank you so much. Talk
to you soon. You're welcome anytime here, and make sure
you keep those recruitment numbers up.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
It's very important. Thank you so much. JN. Parnell got
it excellent, great guy.

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Speaker 1 (40:15):
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so last night we lost a legend, and in fact
I want to re air on podcasts then YouTube contemplation
a best of our interviews with John MacArthur. John MacArthur

(42:19):
passed away last night. John MacArthur's been in out of
hospitals and he has been struggling with pneumonia and other
health issues.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
He passed away at the age of eighty four.

Speaker 15 (42:29):
John MacArthur is, without a doubt, one of the most
influential Protestant minds since the Reformation.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
I would put him top ten. I have an.

Speaker 15 (42:40):
Entire part of my library wall just dedicated to John
MacArthur's biblical commentary. He was one of the most well read,
researched wyse and deep thinkers and an unan wavering pastor.

(43:03):
I actually never met him in person, and I regret
that our schedules never aligned, but we did many zoom
calls and phone calls together. So praise the Lord that
we are able to do that. John MacArthur goes all
the way back to fighting against Gavin Newsom against same
sex marriage. He was putting on a clinic against then.

(43:28):
I think Mayor Newsom or activist Newsom play cut three
twenty eight.

Speaker 20 (43:33):
I'm a practicing Catholic. I got married in the church
two plus years. I don't see what we're doing in
terms of advancing the bond of love and monogamy and
extending that to families families of same sex in any way,
shape or form, takes away anything from the Church or
the sanctity of the union that my wife and I have.

Speaker 21 (43:50):
I would just like to ask the mayors of pregnacy
Catholic do you believe the Bible is the Word of God.

Speaker 20 (43:54):
Yeah, Look, Pastor, I'm not going to get in a
theological debate with you that that's not.

Speaker 21 (43:58):
A theological debate. That was just a straight question. Do
you believe the Bible is the authoritative word of God?

Speaker 10 (44:04):
I with respect, I guess I do.

Speaker 14 (44:06):
Now.

Speaker 21 (44:07):
Then the Bible says when God created man, he said,
one man, one woman, cleave together for life. That's a family.
Jesus in the New Testament reaffirms that. All the writers
of the Old and the New Testament affirm it.

Speaker 15 (44:21):
The clip actually keeps on getting better. Let's try to
get the full one at another time. But here's why
John MacArthur will go down as a legend in my book.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
It's not his books, it's not.

Speaker 15 (44:33):
All his commentary, it's not even as sermons. And that
is exceptional. I will listen to it.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
It's because.

Speaker 15 (44:41):
When it mattered most, when churches were closing, and they
were taking Easter and Pentecost, and the entire Californian government
was coming down on churches, and most bent to knee
and they refused to open. Of course, my pastor and
dear friend Rob McCoy did not John MacArthur, and all

(45:02):
eyes of the nation were on John MacArthur. All pastors
were watching his see what is John MacArthur going to do?
And he openly defied the California government.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
He rejected the lockdowns.

Speaker 15 (45:14):
And John MacArthur did something that is one of the
most difficult, one of the most important parts of a
Christian walk is he finished well. He never bowed to
the gods of this age. He never apologized for scripture.
He was a fighter through and through. And the last

(45:36):
chapter of John MacArthur's legendary career from fighting homosexual marriage,
from fighting against the trans stuff which he was incredible.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
The final part of his chapter.

Speaker 15 (45:48):
Was will you resist government tyranny or will you submit
to the will of God?

Speaker 1 (45:55):
And he crushed it and he aced it tragically.

Speaker 15 (46:00):
So many other Christian pastors, and I will not say
their name, they're finishing really poorly right now. There's a
list of guys men that were good, that were strong,
and they became weak during COVID and woke John MacArthur,
though fully embodied two Timothy four seven. I have fought

(46:24):
the good fight. I have finished the race, and I
have kept the faith. John MacArthur and I have something
in common. We're both Scots. We don't like being told
what to do. We're lovers of liberty, lovers of freedom,
lovers of America. John MacArthur is now in heaven with
our Lord and we will continue the fight that he started.

(46:48):
And as you hear those bagpipes, those are for you,
John MacArthur, because as a fellow scotsmen, we keep on
fighting for Jesus and fighting for what's right.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Second, now we're coming up.

Speaker 10 (47:17):
Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm
Terrence Bads. President Trump is set to take the stage
in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in about an hour and a half.
Is the featured speaker at Senator Dave McCormick's inaugural Energy
and Innovation event. The Summit is Built is bringing together
the top names and energy and artificial intelligence. McCormick says,

(47:38):
today's event is about showcasing Pennsylvania's incredible potential to power
the AI revolution. Real America's Voice correspondent Michelle Backus is
at Carnegie Mellon University where the event is set to
get under way. Hearers already underway. President Trumps set to
arrive shortly. Michelle, Good afternoon to you.

Speaker 22 (47:58):
Hey, good afternoon, Terrance. This is so of breaking news.
But when we arrived here this morning, we thought that
it was roughly seventy billion dollars worth of investment. Senator McCornick,
mcclorwik coming out and announcing it's now actually ninety billion
dollars worth of investment here in the Keystone State. That
is breaking records. And this is going to be monumental
for Pennsylvania.

Speaker 10 (48:19):
And the huge thing is bringing all of these leaders
together and being able to, as I said, to showcase
what Pennsylvania has to offer in terms of attracting some
of these leaders.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
Yeah, it's Terrence.

Speaker 22 (48:32):
We're looking at over sixty major CEOs coming here to
Pittsburgh today to be part of this sum and of
course Larry Fink from Blackrock. You also have the CEO
of ex On Mobile Meta as well Google or Alphabet
as it's now formerly called, multiple CEOs focusing in on
Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh let alone, Pennsylvania a great place to invest.
Think about it, where these second largest person with the

(48:55):
state here with natural resources behind Texas. We're also third
in coal mining, have a great infrastructure, tons of land
in order to build these data centers that are ultimately
going to fuel the AI revolution.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
And if you think back, we were the steel town.

Speaker 22 (49:10):
We made our economic drivers through steel that obviously subsided
in the mid nineteen seventies. But now there's a new
industrial revolution. It's a great opportunity for Pennsylvania to get
ahead of the curve and be part of it as
we look into AI in the future.

Speaker 10 (49:24):
Michelle, I'm smiling because you say we it is your hometown,
and so you're giving your hometown an extra big up here.
One of the things I find interesting artificial intelligence and
the tech sector. That's what's like to be going to
get all the headlines. But this conference is also about energy,
which is something that President Trump has talked about on
the campaign trail and even early in his administration, saying

(49:45):
that he wants to make the United States energy dominant again.
And so that's part of what I expect he'll probably talk.

Speaker 14 (49:51):
About this afternoon.

Speaker 22 (49:54):
Yeah, Terrence, it's really about America first, economics and bringing
energy home, bringing economics back into our states rather than
fueld amount to other countries that ultimately hate US.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
I mean, you're looking.

Speaker 22 (50:05):
At a great position here in Pennsylvania where we.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
Have the abundant natural resources.

Speaker 22 (50:10):
It's time we utilize them here rather than shell out
money to other countries.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
That's what we're looking at promises made, promises kept.

Speaker 22 (50:17):
This was a big promise, especially for Pennsylvania's on the
campaign trail when Trump came and visited. Now he's holding
true to that, especially with this ninety billion dollar investment.
This is also going to create thousands of jobs and
again position Pittsburgh as well as Pennsylvania in a great
place moving forward. So I'm even calling it the potential
Silicon Valley of the East Coast. Of course, as you mentioned,

(50:38):
I'm very proud as a Pittsburgh native to see industry
coming back to this beautiful state and ultimately this city.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
So it's really exciting, especially for all the locals here.

Speaker 10 (50:50):
And these investments that you talked about. It's not just
domestic investment. I was listening to Senator McCormick earlier today
and he was saying that there are even some executives
from the United Arabs on hand, and he's looking for
potential investment from them as well. So I would imagine
there are other CEOs and other companies from outside the
US borders who potentially are looking at Pittsburgh or Pennsylvania
as a whole.

Speaker 22 (51:12):
Yeah, it's really profound to see as you are seeing
these foreign companies and these sporgers and CEOs come in
today and talk about investing in Pittsburgh and in Pennsylvania
as well. Again, we have the resources in this country.
It's time to put our foot down and stop exporting
them to other countries instead of producing here. Again, it
goes back to America first economics, and it's a campaign

(51:32):
promise that Trump had talked about all throughout the campaign.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
Now he's holding true to it.

Speaker 22 (51:37):
We're getting economics, We're getting industries back here into the
United States, and there's really no better place, in my opinion,
for that to start than Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Many workers who
are in the steel industry now looking for new jobs.
And as we continue with this new wave of industrial revolution,
we're looking at technology, We're looking at AI and you
also have to think the amount of abundant land we

(51:58):
have in Pennsylvania need data centers to be able to
fuel this AI revolution, and that's what we're also looking
like here in the state.

Speaker 10 (52:06):
Michelle Back is reporting to us from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 15 (52:22):
Okay, everybody, welcome back. Email us as always Freedom at
Charliekirk dot com. And we are here in the Bitcoin
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Speaker 1 (52:33):
As we have said prior.

Speaker 15 (52:34):
In our one, it is time for us to try
to put a path forward. Let's try to try try
to figure out a path forward of a way that
this administration might solve what is happening with the Epstein situation.
Joining us now is Mark Kapudo, reporter for Axios, that
is Axios dot Com. Axios has been covering this story

(52:56):
throughout all of its different elements. So Mark, it's great
to see you so Mark on this program. Obviously, I
said a lot of my friends are in the administration,
but we've really never seen grassroots anger like this. We
want the administration to succeed. We want to we want
to see on this program this thing rectified, and we
want the truth to come out. Mark, what does your

(53:18):
reporting show? And then please walk us through your excellent piece.

Speaker 6 (53:23):
I'm not sure how much truth can actually come out.
We can discuss that in depth. It's very difficult and
complicated to explain legal process. People are expecting a lot
more than would be available under any administration. But for now,
Donald Trump has basically said he's done with us and
he's moving on, and the DOJ memo that got released
last Sunday, speaking to such is going.

Speaker 7 (53:46):
To control now.

Speaker 6 (53:48):
Obviously the blowback has been so severe and so serious
that White House advisors, Trump advisors, both in the administration
outside of the administration, are talking about different ideas if
they do decide to do a course correction. Now obviously
they're not going to call it a course correction. And
there's basically three ideas here as you have on the screen.
Idea Number one is have some sort of special council,

(54:11):
some sort of special prosecutor or a team a special
master to review the case from top to bottom, or
to review the criminal elements of it from top to
bottom to make sure it was prosecuted properly. And that
helps get around Trump's discussion or statement that he's sort of.

Speaker 7 (54:30):
Done with this. There are still things to examine here,
so that's number one.

Speaker 6 (54:34):
Number two is unredact those things that have been redacted.
There is on the FBI website something called the Vault.
You can read a number of Jeffrey Epstein documents there.
Many are redacted. There are other documents that happened and
uploaded that because it was just a massive investigation, a
series of investigations over time. And the number three is

(54:55):
courts have sealed various records in both criminal case and
in some of the civil case. Is petition the courts
to unseal those and this would bring more transparency and
more stuff to light.

Speaker 7 (55:07):
Now there's a lot of caveats here.

Speaker 6 (55:09):
Mike Davis with the Article three project has been very
forceful about this on Twitter, and he's right. Which is
grand jury testimony which and there is grand jury documentation
that has not been released is kept secret for a reason.

Speaker 7 (55:23):
There are people.

Speaker 6 (55:24):
Who are accused in these closed door proceedings of various things.
There's evidence that's brought against them, but in a grand
jury it's not rebutted evidence. That is, you don't have
the defense counsel saying, wait a minute, what you're showing
here is not true. It can be rebutted, it can
be explained, it can be expanded or whatnot that's not
in there. So if you just wind up releasing grand

(55:45):
jury testimony, for instance, you could really come up with
a warp sense of who is guilty and who isn't.
And that sort of controls in understanding how the Department
of Justice got to the situation and more broadly is
the Justice Department since forever has never really disclosed and
does not like to disclose, and understandably doesn't disclose information

(56:10):
about potential suspects unless it's ready to indict. One of
the reasons you'll read it say, in an indictment of
a conspiracy, if they're indicting Mark Capudo at Axios for
some sort of crime, and if one of my co
conspirators is Charlie Kirk but he hasn't been charged yet,
they'll just call you co conspirator one. They're not going
to say Charlie Kirk until they're ready to indict. And

(56:32):
the reason for that again is you don't want to
accuse people before they're charged, and then once they're charged,
they're still innocent until proven guilty in the court of
public opinion. When you just start releasing all of this documentation,
you don't have that careful, controlled process by which the
truth can be arrived at through our legal system.

Speaker 15 (56:51):
Look, but we have to start to see some credible
information to come up credible information. So the first question
I have from your reporting, why is it that has
not been for nine days now not a singular press conference.
I mean, Caroline Levitt tried her best. And then also, Mark,
why is it that a lot of your colleagues in
the Washington Press Corps have not asked the president about

(57:12):
this for nearly a week and a half.

Speaker 6 (57:15):
I think there was some question that was done outside
of Air Force One, but I had I been there,
I would certainly ask a little more about it. But
Donald Trump certainly doesn't want to talk about as for
whether Pam bondy, and to a degree, the deputy DOJ,
Deputy Attorney General Todd blanch who's in charge of the
criminal Division, whether they wind up talking to the press,

(57:38):
perhaps you a podcast is probably a preferred forum to
discuss the case. I think that's still an open question.
But for now, the administration is following the lead as
it does and as its structured to do of the president.
President Trump doesn't want to really talk about this. He
wants to move on, and so the official position now

(57:59):
of themistration is we've said what we've said, and until
the President decides to sort of uncork the bottle or
decide to do more, we're not going to do more.

Speaker 15 (58:11):
Right just to one point here, though, I have to
elaborate a little bit further, though, I know you said
the President doesn't want to talk about it, But since
one is the Washington Press Corps not asked questions about
stuff Trump doesn't want to.

Speaker 7 (58:21):
Talk about, That's a great question.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Again, colleagues you, I'm not blaming you, but I am curious.
I'm not blaming you.

Speaker 15 (58:29):
Help the audience understand why your colleagues in the media
are so uninterested in this. I just think there is
some interesting not a single question, I mean there was.
There was sixty five questions asked of President Trump in
a week and a half and so from us in
the grassroots. The reason this is important is that if
he's not hearing from it from the Washington Press Corps,

(58:52):
then he's like, oh, okay, it's not as big of
a deal. So it's a little strange that the Washington
Press Corps is not asking questions about it. Don't maybe
I'm I don't quite. They're only covering one element of it.
They're covering the well. You know, Maga is upset about this.
Is it that maybe they're intimidated by President Trump?

Speaker 6 (59:13):
I'd say there's a number of factors. One, yes, he
can be scary for people to ask questions of. And
some people don't necessarily do a very good job asking.

Speaker 7 (59:19):
The question of that. I'm not going to name names.

Speaker 6 (59:21):
Two, there is the overall perception in the mainstream media.

Speaker 7 (59:27):
That the reality is.

Speaker 6 (59:31):
The reason that sort of the online MAGA base and
a number of people who might not even be Trump
voters think there's so much more here is that they
were spun up by conspiracy theories that wind up either
being untrue or unproducible or unverifiable. So there's no point
asking I, however, am in your boat here that I

(59:52):
think more questions should be asked about what the president
is thinking and why he arrived at this idea. There
is that notable Fox interview that resurfaced recently where he
was asked about disclosing these records, and his response I
thought was kind of telling and not enough people I
think it paid attention to it, which is he had

(01:00:14):
mentioned that and I'm.

Speaker 7 (01:00:16):
Sort of paraphrasing here.

Speaker 6 (01:00:17):
The reason he doesn't want to disclose those records is, quote,
there's a lot of phony stuff in there, and this
stuff he doesn't want to get out. And I think
Donald Trump understands that because he was friends with Epstein
for a period of time, He's going to be mentioned
in there now. Julie Brown, who is the Miami Herald
reporter who really was the one responsible for exposing the

(01:00:38):
sweetheart deal that Epstein got and bringing him back to
justice in twenty eighteen twenty nineteen. She has said she
has not really heard that Donald Trump is a major
player there. However, Trump is aware that once these documents
get released, you're gonna get those headlines. But there are
also just other people are going to be collateral damage.
And that's just a controlling concern of his. That's something
I would like to ask him more about, and I'd

(01:01:00):
like to hear more from him. Sure, and yeah, sure
if I have an opportunity. You know, you talk to
Trump all the time. If he wants to sit down
with an interview with me or discuss it, I would
be more than happy to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
We'll see what happens.

Speaker 15 (01:01:11):
Mark, I do want to keep you from another segment, though,
I want to just narrow in more on the move
of the unseiling of the Department of Justice grand jury
testimony and whether or not you're saying it's very rare. However,
I do think this is a rare case, and I
understand that it's without cross examination. But the American people,

(01:01:33):
especially the base that watches this audience, is overwhelmingly interested
as they should be in this story. And so thank
you for saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Mark.

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Caputo is with us from Axios. Three ways that Trump
might be able to diffuse the Epstein situation.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
So Mark, just really quick, is it?

Speaker 14 (01:04:51):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
It's rare? But is it possible?

Speaker 15 (01:04:54):
Is the word I'm looking for to unseal the Grandeury testimony.

Speaker 7 (01:05:01):
I think it's possible. But if it's unsealed. I cannot
see how there.

Speaker 6 (01:05:10):
Would not be the redactions in it that would make
people happy. I'm ultimately part of the problem that the
Trump administration has here is this is an article of
faith by a number of people that there's an evil
cabal of corrupt princes that rule this world and get
away with crimes against children in humanity, and the Epstein

(01:05:32):
case is a perfect example. And so if everything were
to somehow come out, that would probably not be enough.

Speaker 7 (01:05:39):
For some people. But I'm not making a false choice here.

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
The reality is there's a space between what was released
on Sunday and what has been.

Speaker 7 (01:05:47):
Released so far and what can be released.

Speaker 6 (01:05:50):
So putting on my sort of thinking cap and listening
to what folks in and out of the administration have
said about these three sort of different ideas to bring
more transparency to one of the ideas, the leading one
is to have that special master, a special prosecutor special
counsel to review the case and participate in sort of

(01:06:11):
unredacting various documents and documentation. And I think there you
could wind up with grand jury information disclosed, but it
would be so exceedingly rare, and it would take quite
an act by the President and by the government, by
the Department of.

Speaker 7 (01:06:28):
Justice to decide to stick by that.

Speaker 6 (01:06:31):
I'm not going to say never, say never, but there's
just such institutional resistance in DOJ regardless of who is there,
and partly understandably so. But to your point, this has reached,
at least online a crisis point for the administration to
respond to. And there is a contrast to be drawn

(01:06:53):
between the way the administration is handling the Epstein case
and the way it's handling.

Speaker 7 (01:06:57):
The disclosure of the JFK.

Speaker 6 (01:07:00):
JFK was murdered sixty two years ago, and we're still
receiving documentation now and more evidence, in part because the
Trump administration is demanded that the United States government finally
make good on the nineteen ninety two JFK Records Act
and disclose everything. And we're still learning new stuff. And
one of the reasons that's a good idea is that

(01:07:21):
when you have information vacuums, false conspiracy theories easily fill it.
And in the absence of more information, I don't think
a lot of people are going to be satisfied with
the answers or lack thereof that they've.

Speaker 7 (01:07:33):
Gotten so far.

Speaker 15 (01:07:35):
So what are the other two ideas then that you
would propose to be able to proceed.

Speaker 7 (01:07:40):
Here, Well, I wouldn't propose.

Speaker 6 (01:07:41):
I just in my reporting what they're discussing, it's understandable
and it's rational. Which is this special master to not
only help disclose records and to issue a final report
and to re examine the case, but also to redact
those records that are unredact those records that have so
far been released. Some of that can be done relatively easily.

(01:08:05):
The government, regardless of agency and administration, always has a
tendency to over redact things and then lastly to petition
the courts to release those things that can be released
without harming victims and innocent people who happen to be
accused of wrongdoing or just happen to be in the
wrong place at the wrong time.

Speaker 15 (01:08:25):
So the final point I suppose here is that it
is is it your reporting and your contention that the
current information that the Department of Justice has they cannot
release or they will not release, And what is the
reason your reporting bears out as to why they cannot
or will not release what they all the information gathered

(01:08:45):
currently at the Department of Justice.

Speaker 6 (01:08:47):
I think it's a combination of cannot release and will
not release.

Speaker 7 (01:08:51):
That is, they are sort of they are still bound.

Speaker 6 (01:08:54):
The Department of Justice is a group of attorneys, and
they're they're bound by their oath to the court and
the US legal cism and the US legal system. To
put a charitably frowns ondisclosing things like grand jury testimony
for the reasons previously stated.

Speaker 7 (01:09:08):
But where there's a will, there's a way.

Speaker 6 (01:09:10):
And if President Trump determines that this stuff needs to
be done, I assume that it's gonna get done in
a relatively short period of time, but it's going to
take a while.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Mark. Thank you for your time Axios dot com. I
appreciate it. Thank you, thank you. Thanks.

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Speaker 15 (01:09:56):
Reporting was very good on this, but I'm of the
opinion you got to move to unc the DOJ. The
DJ has got to moved on sealed the grandjury testimony.
You got to figure it out. We need to have
movement on this that, amongst many other ideas, when there
is a will, there is a way. And Mike Ben's
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A separate time, we could talk about all the unanswered questions,
of which there are aplenty, and the messaging fumble and
all of that. If if you were advising the President
the United States, if President Donald Trump called you up
and said, Mike, what should I do that is reasonable?
What would you tell him to do?

Speaker 23 (01:14:43):
I would tell him to have Pambondy walk down the
hallway at main Justice to the Office of Professional Responsibility
OPR and pull all files related to the November twenty
twenty OPR report that evaluated Jeffrey Epstein's two thousand and
eight plea deal. In the process of that OPR investigation,

(01:15:04):
they interviewed everyone at Justice who was involved in that
two thousand and eight plea deal Jeffrey Epstein, and sought
to put the story to bed by collecting transcribed interviews, audio,
and basically reams of files. The report itself took nine
months to produce. It's three hundred and forty eight pages long,

(01:15:26):
but it leaves out the critical information that's necessary for
both the public and the current Justice Department to understand
the Epstein issue. In particular, they interviewed Alex Acosta, the
main Justice Department official who gave Jeffrey Epstein the sweetheart
plea deal about Epstein's intelligence ties. They have a one

(01:15:46):
line summary for that conversation buried in a footnote on
footnote two hundred and forty four. Pull that transcript from
DOJOPR and Alex Acosta and make that transcript public so
we know exactly what the Justice Department asked about Epstein's
intelligence ties and exactly what Acosta, who cut the plea

(01:16:07):
deal said.

Speaker 15 (01:16:08):
Okay, so let's let me just repeat that. So this
was an OPR Office of what again, Professional Responsibility, postal responsibility,
internal report on Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Is that correct?

Speaker 23 (01:16:19):
Well, they produced it for the public. This was so
here's a history of this. The second indictment for Jeffrey
Epstein happened after a I believe it was. The Miami
Herald published a kind of blockbuster series in twenty eighteen
about the contents of the secret plea deal that the

(01:16:40):
Justice Department cut, the fact that it had been it
had been offered before the Justice Department even reviewed key
evidence that victims were not included in the talks about
the plea deal, that it had been hijacked from the FBI,
had been stopped from pursuing prosecution. That creates a big scandal,
and in February twenty nineteen. In February twenty nineteen, the

(01:17:04):
Justice Department announces that it's going to be conducting this
basically special review, this Office of Professional Responsibility review of
the Epstein plea deal, in response to the giant outrage
over the Miami Herald series. Now five months later, Jeffrey

(01:17:26):
Epstein in July twenty nineteen gets arrested.

Speaker 14 (01:17:30):
On July six, twenty nineteen.

Speaker 23 (01:17:31):
Three days later, Vicky Ward publishes an article saying, alex
Acosta said that Jeffrey Epstein belonged to intelligence and that's
why he cut him the plea deal, and.

Speaker 14 (01:17:43):
He was told the back off.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
So here's my question.

Speaker 15 (01:17:46):
So are you saying that there are transcripts that could
get released that were the underlying supportive material of this
OPR report?

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
Yes, okay, got it.

Speaker 15 (01:17:57):
So you want the raw data underneath the OPR report. Essentially,
that's that's the thrust of your focus. If the president
was asking, hey, what do I do?

Speaker 23 (01:18:08):
Yes, because the meta question that hangs over this whole
thing is did is it true? Did he get the
plea deal because he quote belonged to intelligence and if
that's true, we that's that's the question that just has
to be answered, or at least has to be attempted
to be answered, because that's that's really the great speculation

(01:18:29):
that you can't answer fully without some sort of confirmation
or at least boxes being checked now now in that process,
by the way, Charlie OPR works with the CIA Office
of General Counsel. The Office of General Counsel is who
coordinates with the the Justice Department OPR whenever there's anything

(01:18:50):
sensitive or relating to classified or confidential information. Oftentimes the
you know, DJ and CIA will work together on on
any sort of classified element. And I would like to know,
for example, I think the public has a right to
know in the production of this November twenty twenty report,
because it's so strange the way it's put together. It

(01:19:11):
was supposed to put the intelligence issue to bed, and
they buried it in one line on page one hundred
and sixty nine.

Speaker 15 (01:19:17):
OK, let's tip into that. So this is a big
part of this. So the question is was Jeffrey Epstein
an intelligence asset? And some people are saying that he
was an intelligence asset of Massad. I do have to
read this and I want your response. This is from
Naftali benefit Bennett, former Israel Israeli Prime Minister. He says,
yesterday quote as for Israeli Prime minister, with the Massad

(01:19:37):
having reported directly to me, I can say with you
one hundred percent certainty quote. The accusation that Jeffrey Epstein
somehow worked for Israel or the Masad running a blackmail
ring is categorically and totally false. Epstein's conduct, both the
criminal and merely despicable, had nothing whatsoever to do with
Massad or the State of Israel. Epstein never worked for
the Massad. This accusation is a live being peddled by

(01:20:00):
He mentions Tucker Carlston by name, who's a friend of mine.
But he just mentioned him, and they just make things up,
say with confidence and lies. This is vicious lies. We
will not take it anymore. It's a pretty strong and
this is an X that is a pretty strong let's
say response. So, rebuttal, do you believe that? Mike pretty

(01:20:23):
strong denial?

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Do you believe that?

Speaker 15 (01:20:26):
Or number one number two could Jeffrey Epstein been m
I six Central Intelligence Sawdy Intelligence, Mike benz Well.

Speaker 23 (01:20:33):
I when I hear that, I hear the same sort
of carefully worded statement that I hear from the CIA side.
I don't believe that Jeffrey Epstein his intelligence aspects were
primarily around blackmail. I was never I've never been really
interested in the blackmail side of that.

Speaker 14 (01:20:50):
Of this.

Speaker 23 (01:20:50):
He's a he was a financier, he was a financial
fixer the SEI. I can name ten examples of what
do you c I.

Speaker 15 (01:20:59):
What do you mean a financial fixer? Because obviously he
didn't make his money. I mean he didn't earn it
through trades or by market brilliance. So what do you
mean by that?

Speaker 14 (01:21:09):
Look?

Speaker 23 (01:21:10):
Think about figures like Mark Rich and Bruce Rapaport. These
are people who who work with US intelligence as well
as Israeli intelligence as well as an intelligence agencies across
the Five Eyes and across the sort of old Safari
Club from the seventies and eighties.

Speaker 14 (01:21:26):
These are figures.

Speaker 23 (01:21:27):
Who have access to huge amounts of capital and when
the when the CIA wants to do something but off
books in terms of transaction, or the State Department wants
a pipeline done in the Middle East, but they need security,
they need guarantees or buying from a couple of different
governments and were arms brokers. I mean this is like,

(01:21:49):
this is like the odd Non Koshogi story. For example, right,
odd non Koshogi. Jeffrey Epstein personally bragged that odd Nan
Kashogi was one of his top clients in nineteen eighty seven. Well,
what was Adnan Koshoki doing in nineteen eighty seven? Adan
Kashogi was the middleman between the US and Israel on

(01:22:09):
Iran contrary, it was odd On Koshogi when he flew
to the White House. He was a snowt On Koshogi
was a Saudy, the biggest arms dealer in world history.
He he made three times more as a commissions agent
for Lockey Martin than every other arms broker combined three times.

Speaker 15 (01:22:26):
For So let me just interrupt you. Sorry, Mike, this
is breaking news. This is three thirty four. President Trump
was asked about Jeffrey Epstein saying that anything that is
credible should be released. It's funny we said the same
thing yesterday, just moments ago. Play cut three thirty four.

Speaker 11 (01:22:40):
Ostina, there were a few of the files. Rynal Pamponi, very.

Speaker 13 (01:22:43):
Very quick briefing here did she tell you?

Speaker 22 (01:22:45):
What did she tell you about when you had specifically
think she'd.

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
Tell you about all that your name up here and
bought and.

Speaker 24 (01:22:51):
No, No, she's she's given us just a very quick
briefing and in terms of the credibility of the different
things that they've seen, and I would say.

Speaker 18 (01:23:01):
That you know, these files were made.

Speaker 24 (01:23:03):
Up by Komi, they were made up by Obama, they
were made up by.

Speaker 18 (01:23:07):
But the biting it from you know, uh we and.

Speaker 8 (01:23:10):
We went through years of that with the Russia, Russia, Russia.

Speaker 18 (01:23:14):
Hopes with all of the different things that we had
to go through. We've gone through years of it. But
she's handled it very well and it's.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Going to be up to her.

Speaker 24 (01:23:22):
Whatever she thinks is credible, she should release you.

Speaker 15 (01:23:26):
That's the end at the kicker here, And it's a
little so so Mike, I'm starrying interrupt because that was
very important. We're going to go along here, by the way,
so we're gonna be able to cover the small dimensions.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
So based on.

Speaker 15 (01:23:35):
Your original point, that o PR Office of General Council
transcript would be credible, right and then potentially could be released,
So that would fit within what you're talking about here, Mike.

Speaker 23 (01:23:47):
Benns exactly hard forensic evidence. I also believe that on
the CIA side, you're not looking for black but I'm
not saying blackmail didn't happen. I don't know if it
did or didn't, but I don't see the evidence that
it did. And it wouldn't be Epstein himself who would
be doing it, because then you lose all the access

(01:24:09):
and you lose all the deal brokering if you have
a reputation as a blackmailer. The fact is is what
the CIA needs first and foremost is money. Jeffrey Epstein's
career started at the time of the creation of a
private CIA in the CIA. He started his career at
bear Stearn's under a Screenberg between in nineteen seventy six.

(01:24:31):
He was there until nineteen eighty That's the exact period
under Jimmy Carter when the CIA got destroyed in the budget,
got all these handcuffs placed on it. In nineteen seventy nine,
Iran fell and this is what set off a whole.

Speaker 14 (01:24:50):
Private CIA operation.

Speaker 23 (01:24:51):
Through Iran Contra and the Iran Iraq War between nineteen
eighty nine in nineteen eighty eight, and it was this
exact network of f financiers primarily around US Israel, but
also UK, France and Saudi and their interests in having
to deal with Iran, And so you have these financial fixers, Like,

(01:25:14):
let's just stick with this Kashogi story for a second.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Yeah, you got thirty seconds, Sorry, Mike, Get on.

Speaker 14 (01:25:20):
It was Kashogi.

Speaker 23 (01:25:21):
When Kashogi flew to the White House in nineteen eighty
three to meet with Ronald Reagan's National Security advisor to
pitch the idea of arms to Iran to sell the
proceeds to Nicaragua. The whole plan was was how do
you do that despite an arms embargo, the fact that
it's illegal. So what they did is they used Israel's

(01:25:44):
a middleman to sell the arms and then achieve the
goals in Nicaragua. But this was a US intelligence operation
that needed covert financing throughout non Koshogi, who Jeffrey Epstein
client in ordered to sell arms to Iran to do,
you know, to basically have a proxy war in Nicaragua.

Speaker 14 (01:26:06):
What I'm saying is is this is the sort of
thing that you need for COVID action. You need covert financing.
Jeffrey Epstein everyone who talks to him.

Speaker 15 (01:26:15):
Okay, so sorry, Mike, I'm just I'm going to blow
through the breaks here.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
But then, where do you think is the source of
the money?

Speaker 23 (01:26:22):
Then, well, I think the source of the money are
the folks in different aspects of the finance world who
are principally who have access to the pools of money
that Epstein brokers. So, for example, I think that Jeffrey
Epstein got his career start of his career serving Bear Stearns. Well,

(01:26:43):
I think it started, I mean with the Edgar bronfin
and the and the Ace Greenberg network.

Speaker 15 (01:26:48):
Ten seconds, we'll be right back. Let's blow through the breaks.
I'm trying to make sense of this, and Mike's onto something.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
Stay right there.

Speaker 15 (01:27:07):
Okay, got it, So Mike Bens is here, So Mike,
I'm just trying to understand here that so basically your
theory is he helped intelligence agencies by providing funds to
people they wanted to give to Indirectly, he was a
a money man.

Speaker 18 (01:27:24):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
And the sex.

Speaker 15 (01:27:25):
Stuff was a sideshow because he was a creep, pervert,
evil person, Is that right?

Speaker 14 (01:27:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:27:30):
I don't even I don't not even thinking about the
sex stuff that the intelligence. That's not what would be
in the intelligence files. What what I believe you would
find if you look for it would be that would
be the different financial transactions, the private financial truth.

Speaker 14 (01:27:45):
So this is the role would not be as an asset.

Speaker 23 (01:27:47):
And this is why I say I don't like when
I hear the phrase intelligence asset. And whenever I hear
Pam Bondi being asked about it or Alexecosta being asked
about intelligence asset, I think, well, that's a limited hangout.
You know, you know what you're asking there. You know
that's not the you know, that's not the question. There
is not going to be a human to a one
file on Jeffrey Epstein. There never is for financial fixers.

(01:28:10):
I did a study recently of ten financial fixers that
that the CIA used for various covert financing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Name covert action file, one that people would know.

Speaker 23 (01:28:21):
Bruce, Bruce Rappaport, Mark Rich like as I just said,
I mean, I can I have a list on me
if if you want me to go names.

Speaker 15 (01:28:33):
So just so, the an intelligence financial fixer someone who
is given a pool of money and distributes it upon command.

Speaker 14 (01:28:42):
No, no, no, no, no, They're not given a pool
of money. They are. They have access to money. Think
so let me get give you an example. Okay.

Speaker 23 (01:28:49):
In nineteen fifty one, declassified CIA records show show the
head of Intelligence ahead of Research Analysis for the CIA
sending a letter to the head of the CIA saying,
next time you talk to the Ford Foundation, get ask
them if they can provide financing to the following universities. Now,

(01:29:10):
this is because the CIA doesn't have enough money in
the budget to fund thirty different universities they need. They
want financing for research done at universities on sovietology, on
what's going on in Africa or Asia. They don't have
the money for it. They can't get it through Congress.
But they have friends, friends of the station, and so

(01:29:32):
they will speak with outside groups, or they'll speak with
foundations or hedge fund managers to arrange financing that is
not on the CIA's books and that will accomplish the goal.

Speaker 14 (01:29:46):
It's the same thing with Epstein.

Speaker 23 (01:29:49):
Epstein is I don't think it's moving CIA money. The
CIA has a goal, for example, in the Middle East,
they want a pipeline construction, or they want some initiative
to go through, but it requires juicing the deal by
getting buy in from folks in Saudi Arabia, folks in Egypt,

(01:30:12):
folks in France. Somebody has to put that deal together
and be responsible for the deal in case it goes wrong.
And also sometimes these deals are quite dirty or they
inflame other allies of the United States. So the US
does not want to be to look like all that thought.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Stay right there, Mike, stay right there.

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Speaker 23 (01:31:28):
Okay, so let's get Let's use a specific example. I
mentioned a couple names like Bruce Rapaport, Mark Rich and
the like. So so Bruce Rapaport. There's a scandal that
folks would do well to look back at today, and
that was the pipeline scandal in the nineteen eighties that

(01:31:49):
involved Ronald Reagan's Attorney general during the attempted construction of
a pipeline through Iraq. Now this was that the Iraq
was being The pipeline was to be built by basically
the Bechtel Halliburton network, a US company, but it was
there was a lot of tensions because of the Iran

(01:32:09):
Iraq War, and so the US government wanted this pipeline done.
The CIA wanted this pipeline done. They believed that it
would advance US interest to do so, but they wanted
to make sure that Israel did not attack the pipeline
because of its proximity.

Speaker 14 (01:32:26):
To the conflict zone.

Speaker 23 (01:32:28):
So what they did is they engaged Bruce Rappaport, a outside,
highly controversial financier Swiss Israeli and who was also basically
a very close friend of William Casey, the CIA director.
They were golfing buddies, they were close friends, They met

(01:32:51):
very frequently, and Bruce Rappaport played the role of not
only providing the financing but ensuring that there would be
that there would be security guarantees because he was very
close with friends in the Israeli government. Now, what happened
there was there ended up being a special prosecutor investigation

(01:33:13):
into the Attorney General of the United States because of
this scandal, because they argued that there was kind of
a paid to play aspect going on with this, and
but what and they they argued that there were bribes.
But what Bruce Rappidport ended up saying later was no, no, no.
According to the there were no bribes. According to this
secret deal, the Israeli government was actually going to get

(01:33:35):
a thirty percent equity stake in it, so.

Speaker 14 (01:33:38):
Nobody actually got paid.

Speaker 23 (01:33:39):
But the fact is, at that point you need to
coordinate four different Middle East governments as well as as
well as US and US contractor interest in this. So
this is what I believe the girls are in the
Epstein story. Girls juice deals when you are when you
are having to coordinate with all these sort of saudy
shakes and uh, you know how I net worth individuals

(01:34:01):
and you're doing business. You're doing deals and being around
young women for parties and things like that is a
way to create an environment where people like hanging out
with you and want to do deals with you. Because
these deals last for years. They want to, they want
to be around, They want to. They may think they

(01:34:22):
can only get access to the deals.

Speaker 15 (01:34:23):
You know, if they think that the girls were a
means to the money. The money was not a means
to the girls.

Speaker 23 (01:34:30):
I think the girls were away primarily of juicing deals.

Speaker 14 (01:34:34):
You're more likely to do.

Speaker 23 (01:34:35):
Business with someone who provides you a currency you can't
get elsewhere.

Speaker 14 (01:34:39):
You have these sixty seventy year old.

Speaker 23 (01:34:41):
Dudes who can't meet, you know, an eighteen year old
girl at a bar anymore. Where do you meet them? Well,
you meet them at Jeffrey Epstein's place. Hey, if I
do this deal with Jeffrey Epstein, he can supply me
with girls. So even though this pipeline might not be
in my interests, you know, even if I really don't
care about the petroleum market and ken you uh, even
if I you know, I really don't want to sell

(01:35:02):
guns to Antigua. You know, I know if I if
I do this deal, then I know at a great
time at that last party, I'd like to be included
at the next one. And so you know, that is
a very plause. I'm not saying definitively that's what's happening,
that's what happened here, but that explains it in my view,
without even having to go, you know, much farther than that.

Speaker 14 (01:35:24):
Because here's the thing. You don't have two O one files.
You don't have these.

Speaker 23 (01:35:29):
An intelligence asset is someone who is formally recruited and
there needs to be counterintelligence done on that.

Speaker 14 (01:35:36):
It's a it's a process.

Speaker 23 (01:35:38):
There is a there's a vast field beyond asset, and
it's called cooperative, cooperative contact or facilitator or liaison. And
these are the brokers because you need these brokers, these
fall guide type figures, but who also are willing.

Speaker 15 (01:35:55):
To make all broker makes sense now that that's the keyword.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
Now it's it's really hit. I'm gonna keep you through
the break.

Speaker 15 (01:36:01):
We're gonna end on radio and RAV ten seconds we got,
we got uninterrupted time, Mike.

Speaker 14 (01:36:05):
So this is why, this is why.

Speaker 23 (01:36:07):
Bill Burns, the CIA director, met three times with Jeffrey Epsteine,
the