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July 8, 2025 89 mins

Commentary on President Trump in Cabinet Meeting, amnesty, open borders, mass deportation, scientific journalists, scientific publishing, and universities that get funding
 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And we had a lot of helicopters.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
It was actually dangerous, a lot of helicopters up there, but.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
They were real pros and they.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Were responsible for pulling out a lot of people and
we got 'em there fast, and they uh Texas had
some good ones too. But uh, I the response has
been incredible, and uh the fact that we got along
so well, I don't know, it's not I don't even
think that's a political thing, but uh, we got along
so well and it was so unified. I think a

(00:28):
lot of lives have been said. They could have been
as bad as it was, and you could have lost double,
a triple.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
This thing was just uh really horrible.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Well, uh, congratulations or a late job and appreciate.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
I know you're going down.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'll be going down on Friday with uh first lady
would be taking a trip.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
And uh, we don't wanna.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Get in anyone's way because uh, you know that's what
happens if president goes and everyone's around focused on I
don't want anyone to focus on us.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
But uh, as.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Possible, they could have, they could have if somebody saved.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Still, you know, there's a lot of areas. It's a
big area hm and uh, you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Probably unlikely at this point, but they could be. I mean,
there's they're thinking there could be the possibility. But uh,
what a tragic situation. A good job, and we'll see
you on Friday and we'll finish out the day right here.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
I think, uh you've been reading a lot about uh
it's uh a terrible topic when you talk about financial
after this. But we have a big country and we've
been doing very well.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
The tariffs, as you know, are starting to come in
at record levels, tremendous amounts of money. You're coming in
to a country we never did that before. We're not
used to We only have tariffs going out. We only
uh adhere to the rules of other nations who charge
us tremendous tariffs because we were led by stupid people,
poor people without any business sense. And uh, i'd like

(01:55):
to ask God you could maybe talk a little bit
about how well we're doing with regard to the money
coming in. And the big money will start coming in
on August first. I think it was made clear today
by the letters that were sent out yesterday and today.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Go ahead, listen, yes, sir, we will have taken in
about one hundred billion dollars in tariff income thus far
this year, and that's with the tariffs, the major tariff
not having started till the second quarter, so we could
expect that that could be well over three hundred billion
by the end of the year. We don't agree with
CBO scoring, but for those who do, the CBO scored

(02:35):
tariff income over the next ten years at two point
eight trillion, which we think is probably low. And Sir,
under your leadership, where witnesses they gave.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Us no credit or this last little the great, big,
beautiful bill.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
I always used the word grid. I add that to
him because it really is what.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
It has never been anything like, actually, and I want
to thank all the Republicans that voted for it. And
I w I wanna U, you know, scold the Democrats
because they're voting for tax cuts. They're voting for no
tax on tips, no tax on SoC social security, no
tax on overtime, and you know, many many other things

(03:14):
far more important.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Than that great health care uh.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
And frankly, they every every Democrat should lose your election
because it was purely political.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
But they were told not to vote for it.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
So think of it.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
We got two hundred and eighteen to two. And then
with the Senate we had tuh fifty to three. Democrats
didn't vote it all, but not one positive vote.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
With all other good things in.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Their economic development money tremendous uh border money M.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Now you're loaded up on the border mm.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
And I don't think we're gonna need so much of it,
cause we had a we had zero come in last month,
So I'm not sure how much of it we wanna spend.
You may think about it, right, You may actually think
about saving a lot of moneys, cause the wolves been
largely built and it obviously worked.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
But you may want to think about that.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
But so, I think it's incredible when I watch the
Democrats and they have standard lines, like they had Russia, Russia, Russia.
They had the laptop from Hell, it came from Russia.
You know, they make things up and they go with
it and they feed it to you people. In many
cases and they said, here's so what and I hear

(04:25):
the new line is death. Oh, it's death. Everyone's going
to die. There's nothing to do with that. The fact
we're saving our country death is from allowing twenty five
million people into our country, of which three or four
aren't stone cold hard criminals. Eleven and eighty eight are
murder as many of them committing more than one murder.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
That's death. And the Democrats did that.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Joe Biden did that by allowing people to come in
here just totally unchecked, unvented, open borders, open borders. The
whole world was dumped into our country from prisons.

Speaker 5 (04:59):
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Speaker 7 (05:25):
Okay, everybody, radio stations across the country on interview with
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is a high profile cabinet meeting occurring between President Donald
Trump and you can call it the Board of Directors
of the federal government. We're gonna post it in its

(05:47):
entirety on our YouTube channel and on our social media page.
But we're gonna cover other stuff because we've got to
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Speaker 8 (06:56):
It is going to be a.

Speaker 7 (06:57):
Monumental game changing of event, potentially life changing sas twenty
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it seems it's very interesting.

Speaker 8 (07:09):
We made some news as we.

Speaker 7 (07:12):
Reported on this program that there was a push below
the surface to try and sneak in amnesty after the
passage of the One Big Beautiful Bill. Now, mind you,
a lot of people covered this yesterday, but no one
called us a liar. Do you notice that no one
said that we were lying and stead we had Jim Banks,

(07:35):
we had Mike Lee, we had Eric Schmidt all come
out and affirm and say no amnesty. In addition, we
had Byron Donald's come on our program on this show
and say, yep, Charlie, I'm here in the very same rumors.
In fact, I received a phone call from a top
senator yesterday while I was actually in the gym, and

(08:01):
he said a guy that I know, and he says, Charlie,
I saw your tweet, saw your show. I'm going to
say is that there are some conversations out there.

Speaker 8 (08:11):
How did you know this question?

Speaker 7 (08:12):
I said, oh, we have very good sources here, and
he assured me that it was not going to be amnesty. Now,
in that conversation, many other conversations, I have an idea
of what potentially could be proposed, and we're going to
try to flush it out.

Speaker 8 (08:27):
We're going to explain it. But very important.

Speaker 7 (08:29):
Though, the Secretary of Agriculture and a friend of mine,
I've known her for well over a decade, Brooke Rowlins,
who's a good person, came out today and she said declaratively,
no amnesty. She came out today and she said there
will be no amnesty. The mass deportations will continue, but
in a strategic way. Brooke Rollins deserves credit for this

(08:50):
because she's going to get a lot of heat from
the agricultural lobby. She's going to get a lot of
heat from the farm lobby. So good for you, Brooke
Rowins for saying this. Let's play cut two ninety six.

Speaker 9 (09:01):
I think we'll probably hear a little bit more about
this today and the conversations will continue. But I can't
underscore enough there will be no amnesty. The mass deportations continue,
but in a strategic way, and we move the workforce
towards automation and one hundred percent American participation, which again,
with thirty four million people able bodied adults on Medicaid,

(09:21):
we should be able to do that fairly quickly.

Speaker 7 (09:24):
Now, strategic way is understandable, but we also must keep
the heat on, which means that look, if there are
some farms that have engaged with illegals for the last
ten years, they got to go. However, there's a process
which like we're gonna give you twenty day warning, you know,
fifteen day warning, you have to scale back. You have
to be able to find American labor or find legal

(09:44):
immigrant labor if necessary.

Speaker 8 (09:46):
And again, a whole legal h two bvs.

Speaker 7 (09:48):
I'm a little skeptical that I think that whole thing's
a little bit of a scam. By the way, of
all the different places that we need to do deportations,
there are places that are that are just glaring in
front of us, where yes, we can work the farms,
but there are places that are currently displacing Americans that
want a lot.

Speaker 8 (10:06):
Of other jobs. In this country.

Speaker 7 (10:09):
We have a legal immigration system, which, by the way,
I think we need a full pause on because we
have way too many people in this country, but these
they should not be here in the first place. And
it's been this amazing last twenty four hours to witness
major senators, major lawmakers come out and affirm exactly what
we have been saying on this program, and to reiterate saying, Charlie,

(10:32):
you're right, there is a push for this.

Speaker 8 (10:36):
Now.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
I want to now articulate what some people are proposing
as the solution, because right now we have a declarative
statement President Trump's not saying for amnesty. Brook Ronald's not
staying for amnesty. But this is a little bit of
a word game. It's going to be a little bit
of semantics. So let me tell you what will likely
be a proposal that will be shot out there, and

(11:02):
the word Let me be very clear, the word amnesty
is dead, but the essence of amnesty very well might
not be dead.

Speaker 8 (11:10):
I'm just gonna be honest. We have killed the word amnesty.
No one's using the word amnesty.

Speaker 7 (11:15):
We have just completely just buried the word amnesty. It
is so unpopular no one's ever gonna use it. But
the spirit of amnesty is still very much alive in Washington,
d C. Not from Brook and not from President Trump.
I think that they are standing from with their base,
but that does not mean that there will be a
one two three combo move. And just this morning I

(11:37):
got a text message that reiterates this good guy.

Speaker 8 (11:40):
Owns a hotel and of some other stuff.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
He says, Charlie, I can't find workers and I can't
run my hotel. I mean, there's gonna be a kind
of a red alert, kind of ten out of ten
deaf con one crisis that will be communicated from the
corporate class saying that we need a bunch of illegals.
We can't keep bar our business is open. So that's
gonna be the opening salve. And let me tell you

(12:04):
what is going to happen is that you're going to
see a narrative in the next couple of months at
some way, because you know they're distracted right now and
by the way, this stuff in Texas is just terrible.

Speaker 8 (12:13):
You're going to see a narrative.

Speaker 7 (12:14):
And when you see one of these synthetic counterfeit narratives,
that's why the Charlie kirksh what we do here in
this program so important. We are pre bunking, and we
are preparing you for what is coming next. Is there
will be all of a sudden front page Wall Street Journal,
front page New York Times. It'll be so it'll be
so concocted, it'll be so synthetic, you're like, this is
this seems fake because we're pre bunking it. And it'll

(12:37):
basically say massive amounts of businesses can't find workers because
of Trump's mass deportation. So that will be the prerequisite,
and it might happen this summer. Don't be shocked if
they're saying summer vacations are being put in jeopardy by
Trump's mass deportations. So that is the leading argument. It'll
come from the corporate class. It'll come from a you

(12:59):
can't enjoy your leisure because of mass deportations.

Speaker 8 (13:03):
For maids and for cooks and for janitors.

Speaker 7 (13:06):
So that will be the opening salvo. And so and
they're gonna say crops are rotting in the field. And
then they'll say because of this, here is what their
proposal will be. And I don't have a lot of
time to build this out in this segment, but we're
gonna I'm gonna be in the next segment. I'm gonna
tell you what it is, so then someone will say
this because I heard it from a lawmaker yesterday. I

(13:27):
heard it from a lawmaker yesterday and he wasn't even
saying he supported. He said, well, this is what some
people are discussing on the hill, and it's the following
and then we will I will tell you why it
is seemingly reasonable, but it's a catastrophically bad idea. They
will remember, the Left will always exploit in an alleged emergency.

(13:50):
If we do not have sweeping quasi amnesty, will starve
and our businesses will collapse. Remember during COVID, if we
don't lock down the schools, kids are going to die.
I'm sorry, I don't believe you anymore when you come
to these incredibly hyperbolic emergency type signals.

Speaker 8 (14:08):
So what is it that they will propose?

Speaker 7 (14:10):
And I want you to stew on this during the break,
and then I'm going to tell you why. It might
sound fractionally reasonable, but it would be catastrophic. And it's
this illegals that have been here for more than ten years,
they have committed no crimes. We should give them a
pathway to legal residency, not citizenship. Let me repeat it again.

(14:34):
This is likely what someone is going to propose. It's
not amnesty, Charlie, but illegals that have been here for
ten years, committed no crimes.

Speaker 8 (14:44):
We should give them a pathway to legal residency.

Speaker 7 (14:46):
I want you to think about that during the break,
and then I am going to give a response, and
one that you might not expect.

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(15:35):
Illegals that have been here for ten years committed no crimes.
Should we give them a pathway to legal residency?

Speaker 8 (15:42):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
We get a lot of it.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Oh no, this by poot for you.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
One another truth.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
It's very nice all the time, but it turns out
to be meaningless.

Speaker 11 (15:59):
Do you want to sleep?

Speaker 3 (16:03):
I'm looking at it.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, No, I'm looking The Senator is passing and passed
us a very very tough sanctions.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
But yeah, I'm.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Looking at It's an optional bill. It's totally at my option.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
They pass it totally at my option and determinate totally
at my option, and I'm looking at it very strongly.
Economic Advisors moves to new reports, saying that that imported goods.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Uh have actually decreased the price.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Well, my questions.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
That terrorts are going to cause Chairman of the Fed. Yes,
you do a better job than it. Other prices just
not passed through yet.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
No. I think what's happening is everything's evening out. You know,
when we charge her, see what people are going to said?
The other countries have been charged almost every country charges
US tariffs. We had deficits whatever everybody for years, for decades,
and we were like this big modelis that made bad
deals with everybody? You know, we rebuilt South Korea. We

(17:10):
stayed there. It's okay, we rebuilt it and we stayed there.

Speaker 8 (17:25):
Okay, everybody, welcome back.

Speaker 7 (17:26):
Email us Freedom at Charliekirk dot com. So it we're
here a the Bitcoin dot Com studio. I think every
reasonable member of our common sense movement could potentially at
least say you know what I see it.

Speaker 8 (17:39):
You've been here for fifteen years. You know you've worked
as a chef. Okay, now hold on.

Speaker 7 (17:47):
Now, first of all, I principally don't share that view,
but I understand if you do. However, let me just
repeat again what someone is likely to propose. Illegals that
have been here for ten years, committed no crimes. They
should be given a pathway to legal residency, not citizenship.

Speaker 6 (18:05):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (18:06):
So I want you to think about this in three
different steps. Number One, we do not know how many
illegals are in America, and there is no record whatsoever
of when they came in. The Democrats are not wrong
about something. They are undocumented. We have no documentation whatsoever. Therefore,

(18:27):
there's a great mystery around their status. So if someone
has been here sixteen years or someone has been here
for six months, how do you define this. The nineteen
eighty six amnesty was like this. Three million people got it,
way more than we're expected. People were still claiming that

(18:48):
amnesty within the past decade. So the eighty six amnesty
lasted many more years. You can still claim it, by
the way, as long as you argue you did agricul
true labor in nineteen eighty five. So basically you're expanding
a window that as long as you're willing to lie,
you can get some form of amnesty. Now here's the

(19:09):
key though, here's the kicker that's important, but the more
important one that will end this proposal and it should
make it doa So therefore, since we do not know
when illegals came in, if ICE, for example, has their
hands on an MS thirteen gang member who has not
necessarily committed crimes but he needs to go, all that

(19:31):
MS thirteen gang member needs to do is say, Nope,
you can't deport me. I've been here for ten years,
and that person then gets put into a three to
five year court process. This would effectively end all deportations
immediately in our country, all of them. What I'm saying though,

(19:55):
is that it sounds good. Illegals that have been here
for ten years, no crimes, pathway, illegalize sidency. Every single illegal,
every bad ombre would say, well, I've been here for
ten years, and they might be live. But what they're
doing is more intentional, is that they're going to delay
the process and short circuit all deportations in real time.

(20:17):
This basically another way of thinking about this is they
would use the asylum scam model, where our asylum system
is a total scam. So they know that if you
go to the southern border and say the magic words
hocus pocus, you're able to then abracadabra, you're able to
stay in the country. So what this proposal, and again

(20:39):
it's not an official proposal, it's still in the ether,
but we need to kill it now early. What it
would be able to do is that every illegal would
in real time, as soon as an ICE officer comes
up to them, the ice officer would not be able
to lay hands on them. They'd say, nope, I've been
here for ten years. I've been here for ten years sorry,

(21:03):
and and the ice officer could say no, I, no,
I got to have a court date, and that court
date would be five to seven years, three to five
to seven years. It would stop all deportations in real time. So,
if you think about it, it's so smart from the
open borders lobby. So I want you to think about
it as a open borders zelot. So an open borders zelot,

(21:26):
they want every single one of these people to stay.
They want the great replacement. They know that Trump has
momentum unmassed deportations, they know that people voted for it,
and they know that all of a sudden that we
have the one big, beautiful bill. So if you were
an open borders zelot, how do you then keep these
tens of millions of people in the country. How do

(21:53):
you keep these tens of millions of people in the country.
You keep them by having just a rhetorical and a
linguistic tool, basically a way that stops all deportation in
real time. You would end all deportations with this. And

(22:17):
so then what the open borders designer and architect would
do is to have this ridiculous loophole the same way
our asylum system has allowed millions of people in the
country that should not be there and we can't support them,
and they do it on the good intentions of Mega,
the good intentions that a lot of common sense people.
They say, you know, you've been here for seventeen years,

(22:38):
so it's using our good heart against us. And isn't
this the pattern of how they have changed America of
imass migration. We have big hearts, we have we're compassionate,
So they would weaponize the compassion and you would then
have twenty million people every time someone would try to
be deported and say, all they would have to do

(23:00):
is be instructed and say I've been here for more
than a decade, and even if you know they are lying,
it would take five years to adjudicate that line. Therefore,
short circuiting our entire mass deportation agenda will be right back.

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(24:32):
in the Lone Star State following this weekend's deadly flooding.
The death toll continues to rise and has now reached
more than one hundred people. However, first responders are still
working and holding out hope of finding survivors.

Speaker 13 (24:46):
As of eight am Central time, eighty seven deceased have
been recovered in Kirk County, including fifty six adults and
thirty children. Identification is pending for nineteen adults and seven children,
with the one additional person still unidentified. At President five
camp missed. The campers and one counselor still remained unaccounted for.

Speaker 8 (25:09):
We asked private.

Speaker 14 (25:10):
Boats to stay off the Guadaloupe River to allow search
and rescue teams to operate without any interference.

Speaker 12 (25:18):
President Trump iss scheduled to visit the devastation later this week,
likely on Friday, so as to not distract from the
ongoing recovery efforts. In the meantime, questions are being asked
about weather warnings, about weather warnings excuse me leading up
to the downpours that caused the flooding, and why some
of the kids summer camps that were affected didn't evacuate
ahead of the flooding. Rafts Chief White House Correspondent Brian

(25:42):
Glynn actually took those questions directly to the White House,
and the White House says that the warnings were in
place and that all agencies were properly staffed.

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Uh.

Speaker 7 (27:13):
Joining us now is Senator Eric Schmidt. Now, Senator, I
promise you that I will not mention what happened on
Sunday night. It was a glorious night in many different ways.
But I know you were watching too. I was texting it.
Oh that's a beautiful song, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (27:29):
I think it's go Cubs, go see. I know you're
gonna do.

Speaker 11 (27:35):
I got it. Listen my shield, my David Freeze shield.

Speaker 8 (27:38):
I was gonna say, is that Mark maguire was David Freese.

Speaker 15 (27:42):
The hero of the twenty eleven World Series. I had
to have some kind of protection. I knew you're gonna come.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
At me with this.

Speaker 8 (27:47):
No, no, listen, listen.

Speaker 7 (27:49):
We're It's a long season and once this what baseball
is fun again?

Speaker 8 (27:55):
This summer.

Speaker 7 (27:56):
It's just it's just been when the Cubs are good,
baseball is better. I know that you disagree down in
Bush Stadium, but eleven nothing.

Speaker 8 (28:04):
I was like, what am I?

Speaker 1 (28:05):
That was rough? That was rough?

Speaker 7 (28:06):
That was rough, Senator. Great to see you. A lot
happening here. You chimed in yesterday and you agreed what
we said about no amnesty. I got a call from
another US Senator saying, Charlie, there are some discussions about
this again informal, still kind of rumor mill, What are
you hearing? What is the kind of chatter in the
US Senate?

Speaker 15 (28:25):
So what's interesting is I got back to Missouri after
the Big Beautiful Bill, and so I've kind of tried
to unplug a little bit. So i I'm flying literally
after the show. I'm catching a flight, and so I'm
gonna check into this. I would just be shocked, honestly.
There's just no way you can go from campaigning one

(28:46):
of the two big issues, and you did too a
lot of time.

Speaker 11 (28:49):
I spent a lot of time with him on the
campaign trail.

Speaker 15 (28:51):
I mean, he talks about obviously inflation and then migration,
and you meet mass migration with mass deportations. In the
Big Beautiful Bill, front loads now money to finish the wall,
build detention beds, Have you know a lot more ice
agents to go do this thing. I just don't I
can't believe that we would consider mass amnesty at this point,

(29:11):
so I'm gonna check into it.

Speaker 11 (29:13):
I'm glad you sort of raising the alarm bell on this.

Speaker 15 (29:15):
But as I, as I tweeted out on the meme,
my offer is this nothing.

Speaker 11 (29:21):
There's just no way we can go down this road
right now.

Speaker 7 (29:24):
So it's it's not gonna happen, period, end of story.
And that's why we have to try to prebunk this,
and we need to try and flush it out early
because it would be a redline coalition killer.

Speaker 8 (29:35):
And it came out and it's coming out of nowhere.
I totally agree.

Speaker 7 (29:38):
Again, I don't I don't do this lightly, but we
have Byron Donald's on the show.

Speaker 15 (29:41):
Yeah, no, I trusted it. Yeah, that's what you're hearing.
There's something to it. We just got to make sure
that that we nip in the bud.

Speaker 7 (29:49):
So so the big beautiful bill passed. It's a phenomenal
and significant achievement. And now we are seeing ambushes of
ICE agents across the country. I want play some of
this here. We have not covered this nearly as much
as we should, but let's go to this one here.

Speaker 8 (30:05):
This is threeh eight.

Speaker 7 (30:07):
Fox reports that ten suspects have been arrested and charged
with attempted murder after a violent attack on Ice and
Border Patrol agents.

Speaker 8 (30:16):
Play cut three o eight please.

Speaker 16 (30:18):
As we told you earlier, a police officer was shot
in the next So here are the ten suspects. They
are all charged with attempted murder. And of course it's
just one of several recent attacks on ICE and Border
Patrol agents and facilities. And Senator Mark Wayn Mullen spoke
to us about it last hour.

Speaker 7 (30:34):
Watch.

Speaker 17 (30:36):
It's not surprising when you had the Democrats that are
out there constantly vitilizing the ICE agents, actually leading the
charge towards obstruction and getting in their way and not
treating them with respect as true law enforcement. This is
going to continue to happen and the Democrats should be
held responsible that have been vitilizing the ICE agents for

(30:58):
the last.

Speaker 8 (30:59):
What three months?

Speaker 17 (31:00):
Four months?

Speaker 8 (31:01):
Senator what's going on here?

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (31:03):
I think this is sadly, this is a natural progression,
Charlie from this issue was greatly in front of the
voters in November. They voted for President Trump for deportations.
This issue has been in front of the courts now
and Trump by and large is waiting these court battles
to move forward with deportations. And so now the radical
left is moving to the next tactic, which is violence.

(31:25):
And you've got Democrat senators, you've got other folks who
are encouraging this kind of really dangerous sort of resistance movement.
These are law enforcement officers that risk their lives to
uphold the laws of the United States of America. And
the fact is the American people want deportations even I
mean every last one of them, every last illegal immigrant

(31:47):
that's here. That's what people if you look at the polling, Charlie,
that's what people are supportive of.

Speaker 11 (31:51):
And so these ICE agents are just doing their jobs.

Speaker 15 (31:53):
And you've got this report in Axios that some Democrat
sources now are saying their base wants to confront this
with more, you know, sort of vigor and maybe somebody
needs to be shot kind of thing. And this is
just from the Axios piece. It's crazy, It's totally crazy.
And what's amazing too, is this level of intensity you
don't see for American citizens. It's sort of like with Ukraine.

(32:17):
A lot of those on the left, they're way more
interested in defending the borders of some other country than
they are of our own.

Speaker 11 (32:22):
It's really strange.

Speaker 15 (32:23):
It's part Trump arrangement syndrome, it's part kind of I
think this globalist mentality that everybody deserves to be here
and the America is no different than any other place
than we should just let everybody in and you know,
have access to communities and taxpayer funded services. It's ridiculous.
So I think this is our time to prove that
we are truly a sovereign country, that we're not going

(32:45):
to be intimidated. That we put this money up. We're
going to hire more people, We're going to deport more people,
and there's nothing the left can do to stop it.

Speaker 11 (32:51):
They lost an election over it, they're losing a court
over it.

Speaker 15 (32:53):
The people are with us, and every Democrat should be
condemning the kind of violence that we're seeing with these
you know, assaults that we saw these ambushes. Insadly, I don't.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
I don't.

Speaker 11 (33:04):
I hope that we've seen the last of it, but
given the rhetoric, I'm not so sure we have.

Speaker 7 (33:09):
I want to reinforce what you're saying here, which is
the American people overwhelmingly support mass deportation of all illegal immigrants.
And this is what's very important is that the American
ruling class, they are they are physically and culturally disconnected
from the consequences of mass migration. But the middle class

(33:30):
they have to go see emergency rooms overrun, they see
their public schools overrun, they see their infrastructure overrun.

Speaker 8 (33:37):
They also just see a changing body politic. This is
two fifty.

Speaker 7 (33:42):
It's a very powerful clip from CNN. Play cut two fifty.

Speaker 18 (33:46):
All immigrants who are here illegally fifty five percent of
the New York Times, Marquette sixty four percent, CBS News
fifty seven percent, ABC News, with a slightly different question
fifty six percent. So what you're seeing essentially here is
very clear indication and that a majority of Americans, in fact,
when they're asked this one question, which I believe gets
that the underlying feelings do in fact want at the

(34:07):
port all immigrants who are here illegally. There's no arguing
with these different numbers because they're all essentially the same
across four different.

Speaker 8 (34:13):
Posters, Senator, for different polsters.

Speaker 7 (34:17):
And that is after all the media's attacks on Ice
and their slandering of everything happening.

Speaker 8 (34:23):
Your reaction, Senator, Yeah, I think we're playing offense.

Speaker 15 (34:26):
Now we've got the high ground on this and we
can't lose the moment. This is a sort of a
cultural issue now people don't people are connecting the dots, Charlie,
sort of what happened in this sort of post Cold
War mentality, this globalist vision of what could be is
that these NGOs were funded, They fuel censorship in Europe,

(34:47):
they fuel mass migration into this country, and you had
good jobs that were shipped overseas to cheaper labor, and
so you have Americans who are left behind and all that,
and then you have the importation then of as migration
of low wage workers to take the jobs that were
left and people now see it, they reject it. They

(35:07):
don't want that to be America moving forward. And that's
part of the reason why people support this. They also
feel like Americans are a big hearts and are of
good will, but they also believe that a country is
defined by its borders. And I think what you saw
in the last administration where a bunch of left wing
radicals that were writing white papers suddenly were in charge

(35:28):
and had access in the Oval Office, and it couldn't
they couldn't believe their luck and the power that they had,
and they literally just threw open the border. So you
got fifteen to twenty million people in short order coming
to communities. Again to your point, taxpayer funded resources, school districts, hospitals,
you know. And so when we talk about the big
beautiful bill in Medicaid, you know, the Democrats wanted to

(35:51):
act like all these in their media allies, all these
people are gonna lose coverage. Literally, the only people who
are gonna lose Medicaid coverage are illegal immigrants, enabled bodied
a with no kids who choose not to work. That's it,
that's the truth. And so when people are waiting for
when individuals at disabilities or pregnant moms or poor kids
can't get a doctor's appointment, you know exactly why they

(36:14):
can't is because the social state here, run by the Democrats,
have extended this to people who don't deserve to get
those benefits. And that's part of the battle that's raging on.
But I do think we're winning the argument, and we've
got to continue to press forward. And I think the
next step, now that we've secured the border effectively is
to remove the people who are here illegally. You start

(36:34):
with the worst of the worst. But you can't stop
there because people are tired of it. They're tired of
being taken advantage of.

Speaker 7 (36:40):
What do we need to do last question here to
prevent the Chinese Communist Party from purchasing farmland.

Speaker 8 (36:45):
I know this is something that you've cared a lot about.

Speaker 7 (36:47):
I want to make sure we get this in under
no means to be allowed Chinese Communist Party oligarchs to
buy single family homes or let alone farms in our country.
And I look at these young kids that are trying
to buy homes in Scottsdale and they're getting priced out
by either private equity or by Chinese Communist Party purchasers.

Speaker 8 (37:05):
Your thought, Senator, Yeah, we have to.

Speaker 11 (37:08):
Change the way we view communists China.

Speaker 15 (37:10):
This isn't some trading partner that we want to have,
you know, get cheap goods from. This is the twenty
first century. Charlie will be defined by who wins this
Great Powers competition United States of America or Communists China.
They're a country that has concentration camps, they are building
islands that are fully weaponized. They have hypersonic missiles. They

(37:31):
would love to infiltrate our country. Control supply chains even
here at home. That's their play on farmland. And by
the way, it is worth noting that drone attack that
you saw in Russia from the Ukrainians.

Speaker 11 (37:47):
We are naive not to think.

Speaker 15 (37:49):
That we have vulnerabilities, and we better recognize that China
will take full advantage of any vulnerability if it's ever
go time, and we have to treat them like that.

Speaker 7 (38:00):
Senator, keep up the great work, thank you so much,
and save journeys the DC. And you just got to
tell your colleagues no amnesty. And by the way, also
none of this like, oh, illegals have been here for
ten years, and I just want to just get your
ear on this really quick. We don't know how many
illegals there are, we don't know how long they've been here.
And therefore, if if that's the new criteria, all someone
would have to do that even tho there are six months,

(38:21):
is say they're here for ten years, and it would
it would literally short circuit all deportations. Think about the
asylum scam on steroids. So even if someone says, well
it's not citizenship, it's a loophole that would be able
to stop the entire deportation agenda, So just kind of
get a please.

Speaker 11 (38:37):
One thing that we should do.

Speaker 15 (38:39):
We have we haven't expedited removal process, yes, statute, but
that's only for two years, and so I've actually got
legislation to expand that beyond the two years, so you
can actually deport you can move for deportations quicker. So
don't just limit it to two years. Include a larger
category of people, and go beyond two years. Because quite frankly,
what Biden did at the at the beginning of his term,

(39:01):
which was criminal, is now.

Speaker 11 (39:02):
Four or five years ago, so we should expand that
as well.

Speaker 7 (39:05):
Totally agree, Senator, thank you, and be our voice fighting
up against Amnestein. I have to I have to do
a better job of staying your title. Senator Eric Schmid
from Missouri, because we're on radio two hundred fifty radio
stations across the country.

Speaker 8 (39:16):
Senator, thank you so much. All right, brother, thanks keep
up the great work. That's go Cubs go. He heard it. Yeah,
he's heard it. There it is, you got it? And fine, yeah,
get at eleven nothing. What was I watching a football
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Speaker 3 (39:51):
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Speaker 9 (39:56):
So this is a massive national security issue. The press
conference this morning included three of our greatest governors as well,
Sarah Saners from Arkansas, Jim Pillen from Nebraska, and Bill
Lea from Tennessee. The States have begun taking a leadership
role to ban the purchasing of China farmland. Obviously, Congress
needs to step up and catch up, and we're going

(40:17):
to be working alongside of them as well.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
We have some of our members script members.

Speaker 11 (40:20):
Of Congress there.

Speaker 9 (40:21):
But it is time and I think that this morning
was symbolic of many things. The first of this administration
working every day to effectuate President Trump's leadership and unequivocal
support of America. First, but second, just how close we
are as a cabinet. I don't know in any other
administration that you'd have four cabinet members at the USDA

(40:45):
on a Tuesday morning when it's about one hundred and
ten degrees outside with the sun beating down on us
talking about Sir Eurovision.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
So I think it was a great day.

Speaker 19 (40:53):
It was just the start.

Speaker 9 (40:54):
There's an executive order coming and some other things coming
behind that. But protecting America's farms isn't just about protecting
our farmers. It's also about national securities. That's what we
discussed this morning.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
I do want to say that I think.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
We have had a really good relationship with China lately.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
And you're getting along with it very well.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Have they been.

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that next hour because I we do have the Russia
Ukraine clip here. So yesterday President Donald Trump had a
dinner with bb Net Yahoo and was asked about more
arms to Ukraine. He broke some news saying that he

(42:34):
was going to supply more armaments to the Ukrainian cause.
Play cut three twenty two. We do not have three
twenty two. Okay, So I guess I'm looking at something different.
So let me just I'll just tell you what he said.
So President Donald Trump basically said we are going to
send more arms to Ukraine and that he's not happy

(42:54):
with Vladimir Putin. Now you have to wonder President Trump
is very frushow with Putin. I personally, I mean, this
is my own kind of through line and continuity. Obviously,
I support the President one hundred percent. He knows stuff
that I don't know. I don't love the idea of
sending arms to Ukraine. That's just the difference of opinion.
You know, people can disagree. Maybe it's a time to

(43:15):
regain leverage against Putin. I can understand that in the
art of the deal, so I understand. I can understand
that to a certain extent. But further funding a kinetic
conflict against Russia and the Russian Federation is not our fight,
not our conflict. And honestly, we have to be we
have to be consistent. We were against it with Biden.
Why would we be for it now unless it gets

(43:36):
us to a peace settlement. Let's go to three twenty
two placed more weapons.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
We're going to send some more weapons. We have to.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
They have to be able to defend themselves. They're getting
hit very hard. Now, they're getting hit very hard. We're
gonna have to send more weapons and defensive weapons primarily.
But they're getting hit very, very hard. So I'm going
to die in that message.

Speaker 7 (44:02):
So let me tell you probably Putin's calculation here, and
this would be the defense of President Trump, even though
I'm not thrilled about it. I think that it's time
to cut off the funding of this war and make
these sides fight for themselves. I've said that that entire time,
and I'm going to be consistent on that. But if
I were to to defend President Trump, because I think
he's I mean, first of all, he's usually right on
this stuff on foreign policy. President President Donald Trump is

(44:26):
saying here is basically Putin smells weakness, and if there
is no sign of strength from the West behind Ukraine,
Putin will just continue to march forward.

Speaker 8 (44:36):
Now, it's a very interesting thing.

Speaker 7 (44:37):
I was sitting with a senior official from the State
Department this last weekend and I was picking his brain.
I said, isn't Russia suffering major losses? He said, oh, yeah,
Russia is suffering huge casualties, massive So I asked the question.
I said, well, then, why isn't Putin feeling any domestic
political pressure to end the war? And he said, that's

(44:59):
a great question. So basically, and I was educated on
this this last weekend, is that Putin, very smart, very sinister,
has divided Russia into effectively two countries. There is Moscow
and Saint Petersburg, which is the wealthier parts, the very wealthy,
industrial parts of Russia. And then there's the rest of Russia,
basically all rural Russia, which is very, very poor, basically

(45:23):
second or third world poor. So what Putin has done
is when he does conscriptions, he has actually done a
draft actually since the breakout of the war. Instead, what
he does, because a draft will be very politically and popular,
what he does he goes to the rural areas and
he offers a ridiculously high signing bonus, more than what
anyone would.

Speaker 8 (45:41):
Make in a year in these very poor areas.

Speaker 7 (45:44):
So these young men sign up for this signing bonus,
and the cannon fodder basically comes from places like Chechnya
and Dagistan in the Muslim regions, and Putin has not
touched like a single person, a single young man from
Moscow or Saint Petersburg, because if he were to start
to try to do a draft in Moscow and Saint Petersburg,

(46:06):
he would have a major political prom.

Speaker 8 (46:08):
In his hands.

Speaker 7 (46:09):
If all of a sudden that the more wealthy educated,
like the teachers and the professors and the engineers in
Moscow and Saint Petersburg, if their sons were going to
go die, this war would be over very quickly. The
children of people who could not bring down his government
are the ones that are getting torched. And that was
a real aha moment for me, because look, Russia historically

(46:30):
does a well with a war of attrition. But Moscow
is a first world city, it's a very wealthy city.
It's not again, Russia is not necessarily wealthy like America.
But understand, this is kind of like a Russian version
of the Fortunate Sun, and that is why Putin is
able to continue the fact that he's losing thousands of
people of a week, he is staying away from the

(46:51):
quote unquote sons of the Russian ruling class, and he
has bought at a very like let's just say, would
say high price, the lives of cannon fodder from the
rural areas. We'll explain more at a different time. Second,
how we're coming up.

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Well, it's an amazing lineup and the numbers that we're
getting of people considering that President Trump and Jade Vance
are not going to be at this one, which is fine.
I mean they're busy, you can't you can't get them
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We got heg Seth, we got Christy Nome, we have
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(49:21):
Megan Kelly. It's really something, Alex. Yesterday we were kind
of in the center of some news where we were
reporting on verified rumors that were circling around about amnesty
Byron Donald's confirmed those here on this program and secondly
at a very high ranking senator call yesterday afternoon, say Charlie.

Speaker 8 (49:38):
Your sources are very good. How did you know this?

Speaker 7 (49:41):
And so, Alex, you have actually you're uniquely positioned to
talk about this, and I wanted to just do a
little history lesson you. Guys at Breitbart have kind of
been the vanguard of stopping prior amnesty pushes. Most notably,
you guys at Breitbart were the most responsible for stopping
the amnesty push of the Gang of Eight and also

(50:03):
the one that Nancy Pelosi was pushing while President Trump
was in office. Kind of walk our audience through how
you've been through these amnesty fights before and why this
is really nothing new out of Washington, DC.

Speaker 10 (50:15):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 22 (50:16):
This is something that Washington DC has always wanted to do,
is to give amnesty for illegal aliens. I think it
would make a problem for them go away.

Speaker 10 (50:25):
And so all.

Speaker 22 (50:26):
Democrats and many establishment Republicans have wanted this thing, including
some people who are some of my favorites. I mean,
Marco Rubio has been absolutely on fire, but he was
one of the sponsors of the Gang of Eight bill.
And this is definitely one that if you've not boned
up on this one, definitely spend a few minutes doing this.
Breitbart's the best resource around. If you use our search engine,
you can catch up. But overall, this is a major

(50:47):
compromise by both political parties to try to get through
amnesty for as many illegal aliens as they possibly could.
Basically say, for violent criminals that they would get to
stay here and have a pathway to citizenship, not just
that they get to stay kind of we have a
de facto amnesty now and that we don't do enough deportations.
Trump is ramping that up, but literally put them on
a pathway to citizenship, which in turn creates a through

(51:11):
chain migration, which is one of Stephen Miller's the issues
that he's been on for over a decade that this
is one of the big threats that we have, is
that each legal alien tends to bring in more. Both
political parties shockingly were for this as of just about
a decade ago, and it has been a pretty rapid
i would say pivot for the Republicans to be the

(51:32):
anti amnesty party.

Speaker 10 (51:33):
But there are underlying sources.

Speaker 22 (51:35):
Within the party that would like to see more amnesty
because first of all, it would legitimize their decades of
past desires for amnesty, which will make them feel good.
Second of all, it drives the wages down of working
class Americans, which would boost their stocks a little bit.

Speaker 10 (51:53):
Third of all, it's not ugly.

Speaker 22 (51:54):
This is one thing that Republicans don't get is that
we've been uncomfortable winning ugly.

Speaker 10 (51:59):
We would lose gracefully. This is part of our character
and it does not work.

Speaker 22 (52:03):
And Donald Trump is aware of this and he's fought
against it, but there is still this pull to well,
we can't win ugly.

Speaker 10 (52:09):
If this doesn't look good, then we can't do it.

Speaker 22 (52:12):
And overall, this would just be the lifeline for the
Democrat Party if this ever happened. And this is a
heal to die on if there ever was one. There
can be no amnesties. Everyone must go yes.

Speaker 7 (52:23):
And again this is the red line. And to be clear,
President Trump has not called for amnesty. He has not
pushed for amnesty, but there there have been some concerns
of some people of things that have been said by
you know, at rallies. And I think part of again
I'll defend the president here he does this trial balloon
rhetorical poll testing. He's done this before, so you have

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to understand kind of the spirit of Trump. But here
is today President Donald Trump. Actually, let's first do Brook Rollins.
Brooke Rollins came out and I've known Brook for a
while and I'm glad she came out and clarified this.

Speaker 8 (52:58):
Let's play cut two ninety six.

Speaker 9 (53:00):
I think we'll probably hear a little bit more about
this today and the conversations will continue, but I can't
underscore enough there will be no amnesty. The mass deportations continue,
but in a strategic way, and we move the workforce
towards automation and one hundred percent American participation, which again,
with thirty four million people able bodied adults on medicaid,

(53:20):
we should be able to do that fairly quickly.

Speaker 7 (53:24):
And then additionally, President Donald Trump breaking news. I think
we have the tape we could play in a second.
He just said, quote, we are not talking amnesty, so
it's been thrown down. However, we need to make sure
the spirit of amnesty does not live Alex right, not
just the word of amnesty.

Speaker 10 (53:41):
Yeah, I think that's right.

Speaker 22 (53:42):
And Rollins is very important here because she's in charge
of the farmland in this country and a lot of
the case that is made for amnesties is that who's
going to work the farms if we do not allow
for everyone to stay who's in the legal alien So
for her to come out and say we are no
longer supporting this, We're not interested in.

Speaker 10 (54:03):
This, no way, full stop, is big.

Speaker 22 (54:05):
She's one of the most important people in this conversation,
and of course the most important person is Trump, and
Trump I think is sympathetic to the fact that some
working class jobs, particularly in places like the hospitality industry
in many corners of the country, particularly blue states, have
relied on illegal alien labor for the past several decades.
It was one of these things that we've normalized it,
but we shouldn't have, Charlie and this where people like

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me and you come in because we're the ones to
say that there is a path forward for America where
we don't normalize lawlessness and we don't incentivize people from
all over the world to come here thinking they can
get a free pass if they just slip in through
the through the back door. That's not any way to
run a country. Donald Trump knows this in his core,
and I think ultimately he's not going to want to
do any amnesties on.

Speaker 10 (54:47):
His watch because they haven't gone well.

Speaker 22 (54:49):
Reagan did one and he gets completely crushed online for
it and deservedly.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
So.

Speaker 7 (54:54):
Yeah, we have two minutes remaining. Just remind our audience.
You live in California, how catastrophic was the nineteen eighty
six Simpson Mossolia.

Speaker 22 (55:02):
Yeah, it's changed the state for the worst and it's
never come back from it.

Speaker 10 (55:06):
Charlie I talked about this quite.

Speaker 22 (55:07):
A bit that this was what informed me to become
a conservative, was largely seeing how the attitude towards the
legal aliens in this country was so pass a. We
just allowed for everyone to be here, and we just
accepted the lawlessness, the filth that can come with it,
the underbellies of the cities that would develop because of it,
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so that Republicans had an impossible it was an impossibility
for us to get any foothold at all. Must less
control the state, but we couldn't en get a foothold
in the state. And all of it was because the
Democrats were the party of illegal aliens, which would jack
up their numbers at an amazing rate in terms of
who could vote, and their children would vote, they'd vote
for Democrats. It would create a bloated welfare state. And
all of the bad things that happened to the state

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really started with that principle. First era, the original sin
of the state was allowing amnesty and the open border,
and all told convinced otherwise.

Speaker 7 (56:02):
Look and here here is the kicker. Here is what
no one else wants to talk about. This is a
short term problem. The Democrats and the open border zelots
are lying to you. In ten years largely this will
not be a problem because automation and robotics, and because
of that, the only other argument is to try to
change the political makeup of the country. And remember we

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have we have consensus to massy Port. In ten years,
this will not be a this will not be a
workforce problem, and that is why they are so worried.
This is like Amnesty's last gasp. This is the open
border last gas to get the economic argument done because
that window is closing. It is it's basically a decade

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Speaker 7 (59:41):
Okay, everybody, welcome back. Email us Freham at Charlie Kirk
dot com. President Donald Trump is now at ninety minutes
of his cabinet meeting. I can't remember a singular cabinet
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It is the Bitcoin dot Com Studio, alex. I believe
we've this before, the future of America goes through its cities,

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including the reclamation of Los Angeles Walker audience, through what
happened yesterday in MacArthur Park, which of course is known
to be filled with MS thirteen activity, and what Mayor
Karen Bess did.

Speaker 22 (01:00:13):
Yeah, I think the first thing to talk about is
the history, what's going on, what the Trump administration is doing,
and the reaction out here, which is all grandstanding.

Speaker 10 (01:00:22):
MacArthur Park.

Speaker 22 (01:00:24):
It is an immigration rate took place against crimical criminals
and trafficking.

Speaker 10 (01:00:28):
That's what's going on there. That's what they want to do.

Speaker 22 (01:00:30):
And remember, the Democrats in this state, both the city
and at the state level, do not want immigrations and
customs enforced. They are against ice, then when defund ice.
That's the whole attitude in the state. And Kiaren Bass
was supposed to attend the six month anniversary of the
Palisades fire. There's a big event, a lot of speeches,
people talking about how to clean up this city, and

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instead she was basically rallying for legal alien criminals in
this park. But the thing about this park, this is
not a particularly nice place. The parks in la are
ruined anyway. They're mostly for homeless people, as they are,
as Charlie you point out, in these major cities, which
are really kind of a window into our dystopian future.
If we let the left run the country, all these

(01:01:13):
parks just become homeless ends. There's a lot of fentanyl
abuse there. They talk about being a zombie park because
there's all these people kind of moving around like in
a zombie like state from drugs.

Speaker 10 (01:01:22):
There's tents that pop up. And this is a city.

Speaker 22 (01:01:25):
That spends more money on homelessness than firefighting, and you
see they're terrible at both. So basically, the illegal migrants
are the top priority of the city, then the homeless barely,
and then the residents take our last in line. Gavin Newsom,
the governor of the state is currently in South Carolina.
What do you think he's doing there, Charlie. He's running
for president. He doesn't care about any of this stuff,

(01:01:48):
and so he's spending forty billion dollars to take on Trump,
constantly fighting Trump, and yet we can't clean up this
basic stuff. Trump is an amazing job in LA in
the aftermath of the fires, the EPA, the r Army
Corp of Engineers, the debris removal was rapid. It took
place very quickly. It was all federal. The state did nothing.
The local governments did nothing. There's been no insurance reform

(01:02:08):
to help families. Local governments have done nothing to improve
the permitting process to make rebuilding easy. And in the meantime,
all these officials are out there writing for illegal alien criminals.
It is a true disgrace and it's on us as
broadcasters to get this out there so the public understands.

Speaker 10 (01:02:24):
This is what Democrats have roppen.

Speaker 7 (01:02:27):
And just like a very simple breakdown of the social compact.
If we can't enjoy our parks, are we really a country?
It's just it's like a very basic question.

Speaker 22 (01:02:39):
It's another one, Charlie, where me growing up in blue areas.
It helped me a lot because I went to UC Berkeley,
which is known for People's Park, and People's Park was
where all the free speech protests are a lot of them
would take place. And there was a discussion of putting
up a parking lot on People's Park in Berkeley, and
they didn't. They left it as a park, and the
park was unusable for normal people, unusable for families, unusable

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for college students, and it became a homeless drug den
and everyone was comfortable with it.

Speaker 10 (01:03:06):
No one talked about it.

Speaker 22 (01:03:07):
We just all sleep walk in a trans past People's
Park from the dorms on our way to campus, as
if that was preferable to a parking lot. A parking
lot would have been better. Which is sad to say,
I love parks. I'm about outdoor guy. I love to
touch grass is one of the best piece of advice
you can give people. But one of these things that
happens in these major cities is that we let the
parks just become homeless dends, and for some reason we've

(01:03:31):
accepted it.

Speaker 10 (01:03:31):
We all hate it, but we've accepted it, and we shouldn't.

Speaker 7 (01:03:35):
And again, another part of that, which is one of
the things I speak about often, which is, if you
can't walk your major cities at night, unattended and the loan,
your country is in a bad shape and things need
to dramatically change. For example, I feel perfectly fine. I
mean again, I'm gonna be visiting.

Speaker 8 (01:03:52):
I'll see it.

Speaker 7 (01:03:53):
I'll see it myself walking though streets to Tokyo at night.
I mean, I'm going there in September, and everyone tells
me that it's fine. Walk the streets of Soul, South Korea,
walk the streets of Chicago, or LA or San Francisco.
I think that the defining characteristic of President Trump's agenda
will be can we exert dominion over the cities? We
are a fake movement if we just control the rules,

(01:04:15):
if we just control the rules and we don't get
to the heartbeat of the cities. Your thoughts, Alex Marla
one minute remaining.

Speaker 22 (01:04:21):
Yeah, this is something I will put a marker in this.
I'm looking way down the field. But LA is supposed
to be hosting the Olympics allegedly in.

Speaker 10 (01:04:27):
A few years. Our freeway system doesn't work.

Speaker 22 (01:04:30):
Yeah, in the World Cup, our freeway system doesn't work.

Speaker 10 (01:04:33):
We have the worst airport in America.

Speaker 22 (01:04:34):
We have increasing crime, we have a key part of
the city burned down. Our downtown is entirely unusable. It
is a a without charm, without character, not safe at all.
People can't wait to get out of here fast enough.
And we're supposed to bring the whole world not just
to represent La, but to represent the United States of America.
This should be truly unacceptable, and this should be an
obsession of the Karen Vasses and the Gavin Uisoms of

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the world. As far as I can tell, they're not
interested at all.

Speaker 7 (01:05:01):
Alex Marlow, excellent work as always, deeply appreciate it. Plug
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Thank you. Charlie.

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focused on real results that benefit the taxpayer and science.

Speaker 8 (01:09:41):
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Speaker 26 (01:09:43):
Charlie, thank you for having me on the show and
for making give me the floor to make this announcement.
So one of the things that's sort of a little
known secret about scientific publishing is that when taxpayers pay
for research, and they do through the Nationalist of Health,
lots of great discoveries are made.

Speaker 6 (01:10:00):
Publish it in a scientific journal.

Speaker 26 (01:10:01):
And everyone has these ideas about scientific journals as if
they're as as ways like you know, clean places where
people can convey scientific ideas to other scientists, their peer reviewed,
they vet truth.

Speaker 6 (01:10:13):
And you know, some of that is true.

Speaker 26 (01:10:14):
But a lot of times the economics of the publishing
of the scientific scientific uh you know sort of publishing
work for the publishing industry is actually not so clean.
And in particular, what happens. We just made an announcement
a few weeks a couple of weeks ago, essentially saying
that when the NIH funded scientist publishes a paper in

(01:10:37):
a scientific journal, that paper needs to be available to
the entire public for free without any paywall. That happened,
you know, a couple of weeks ago. We put that
in place, actually I think it was July first. As
we put that in place, a lot of the industry,
some of the industry responded by essentially by telling the

(01:10:59):
scientists that they were going to charge the scientists for
the privilege of publishing science in their journals.

Speaker 6 (01:11:04):
Think about that.

Speaker 26 (01:11:05):
I'm an author, I'm a scientist author, and I publish
some I do some great advance funded by taxpayers. I
go to a scientific journal. The scientific journal then charges
me up to sometimes thirteen thousand dollars. Springer Nature is
good is a particular bad actor on this thirteen thousand dollars. Well,
what happens then is the taxpayers are then charged for
that thirteen thousand dollars fee for the privilege of publishing

(01:11:27):
in the scientific journals. It costs them nothing, Charlie to
put it on the web. I mean, it's a very
very cheap thing. They don't even pay peer reviewers. So
what we're doing is we are announced a policy that
if fiscally you're twenty six, that we're going to limit
the amount of money that the an was willing to
pay to scientific journals for having the scientific publications paid

(01:11:51):
for by taxpayers available for free to taxpayers. Taxpayers have
already paid for it. There's no good reason for scientific
journalis to charge twice. And this is it's a big deal.
A lot of the sort of predatory practices and scientific
journals that take advantage of researchers. We're finally addressing that,
and we're sort of making the sort of publication process

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more in line with the interests of taxpayers and with
the scientific community. It's going to be controvert weirdly controversial
in the scientific community. In sort of the narrow world
of science. But I think for American taxpayers it is
a big deal. It's a big step because it says
we are taking seriously the dollars that you entrust us
with making sure we spend it on science, not on

(01:12:34):
exorbitant publication fees that don't produce any good for anybody.

Speaker 7 (01:12:38):
Well. Yeah, and so for example, I know that you
guys have had your eyes on many of these publisher companies,
one of which is a company Springer Nature, which is
a foreign company. And correct me if I'm wrong, but
they charge as much as thirteen thousand dollars per article
for immediate open access while also collecting substantial subscription fees
from the government agency. But then they also receive more

(01:12:59):
than two million dollars annually in subscription fees from the NIH,
in addition to the tens of millions more through exclusive
article processing charges or APCs. So if correct me if
I'm wrong, but that's double dipping by companies like Springer Nature.

Speaker 26 (01:13:17):
It entirely, it certainly feels like it, probley and you've
described it exactly right, right, So what happens is.

Speaker 6 (01:13:26):
In order?

Speaker 26 (01:13:26):
Okay, So NIH employs a lot of excellent scientists, right,
So scientists need to have access to the journal so
they can read the journals and see what fellow scientists
are doing and have discovered. So the NIH pays Springer, Nature,
ELSEEVI or another big player in this industry.

Speaker 6 (01:13:41):
The industry is a duopoly. I mean they they Basically
the reason.

Speaker 26 (01:13:44):
Why such a mess is because it is a duopoly.
It's not a competitive industry. And then and a few
other smaller publishers, including like University presses a contract that says, Okay,
we would like to have access for our scientists to
the stuff that's in your journal. Like that, that makes sense,
Like that library fees have been around for a long time,
and that makes sense to do that.

Speaker 6 (01:14:05):
You want to have.

Speaker 26 (01:14:06):
Access to these these uh, these these journals for the
scientists they're doing their work, because that's how they do
their work is by sharing information. Absolutely, what doesn't make sense, Charlie,
is charging scientists for publishing in the journal exorbitant amounts
of money just for the right for the public to
see the papers without a paywall. That's double dipping in
my view, and I agree with your characterization of you.

(01:14:28):
You you absolutely nailed it, and the amount of money
on that is way way more than the public the
library fees. Really the big way that these journals take
advantage of their duopoly power. That the duopoly because there's
really two big.

Speaker 6 (01:14:41):
Players in this industry.

Speaker 26 (01:14:42):
There's Springer Nature just as you said, and and then
and then another another company called el Sevir. Those two
companies basically set the terms for a lot of the
scientific journals and they sort of monopolize. You know, it's
a part like one of the reasons why it was
so difficult to get the word out about what's what
scientists were actually saying during COVID because they had such

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monopoly power over scientific publishing. It's it's really not a
healthy situation for sciences to be in where you rely
on a duopoly publishing publishing industry. I don't know how
much I can do about that, but I can tell
you there's no reason for taxpayers to pay twice and
taxpayers ought to have a right to see the product
of the science that they fund without having to do

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a paywall.

Speaker 8 (01:15:23):
Again this yeah, and the paywall.

Speaker 7 (01:15:26):
So I want, you know, to talk about how this
helps public health, because yes, it's great on the taxpayer side.
This will what saves tens of millions of dollars, maybe
hundreds who I don't know how much money this will spend.
So that's a win and the President should be happy.
But let's say that we have another emerging public health concern.
And by the way, you were phenomenal on COVID. By
the way, doctor Baticharia a team, I think you were

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Barrington declaration, you challenge lockdowns. You were phenomenal, and I
remember it and I notice it, so I just want
to make sure you know that. But let's say another
public health concern is emerging. How would this way of
doing open source, transparent publishing help public health more than
the paywall model.

Speaker 26 (01:16:08):
Yeah, I mean I think a lot of the problem
during the pandemic was this sense that there is something
called the science, like a relatively small number of like
clergy in science, I mean effective clergy and science get
to decide what's true and false. Right, So you have
to wear a mask or else you can spread COVID.
The vaccine stops you from getting spreading COVID. So vaccine

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mandates are a good idea. We should close schools for
years because that's the only way to stop code. All
that stuff was false, Charlie, and there was a lot
of literature, scientific literature published eventually published that showed.

Speaker 6 (01:16:41):
That that was false. If you open up the.

Speaker 26 (01:16:45):
Access to the journals so that the public in large
can see what the scientific debates are actually happening, it
makes it much more difficult for a small number of
science of high profile scientists to dominate the conversation.

Speaker 6 (01:16:57):
You can point and say, well, look.

Speaker 7 (01:17:00):
Everyone, I just want to interrupt, just repeat that we
know what we saw this during COVID when people like
burks Er Fauci, So please finish that point so profound.

Speaker 26 (01:17:10):
Yeah, I mean, I think the key thing is that
science is actually fundamentally democratic. Right, even though I'm the
NIS director. Now I'm gonna I mean, Charlie, honestly, I'm
gonna have ideas that are wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:17:21):
I absolutely will.

Speaker 26 (01:17:22):
And what I want is for scientists to be able
to correct me and scientists the way we do that
and we publish papers that say, you know this, this idea.
We don't only go after people, We've go after ideas.
This idea is not right, here's what the evidence says, right,
And that fundamentally is a act of freedom. If you
allow people to have access to those information, those data
immediately upon publication. You make it much harder for a

(01:17:45):
small number of scientific elite to say, to determine what's
true and false. Instead, you have the data telling you
what's true and false. You have the scientific debate telling
you what's true and false. It's that's why, as you
started out your your opening was exactly right. It seems
like this is a secondary issue, but to me, it's
absolutely fundamental to how our democracy functions. We have to

(01:18:06):
essentially democratize access to science. We have to make science
not the domain of a small number of people, but
something that's accessible to everybody. Now, of course, you know
people of different scientific ideas, and some people are better
at science and other people, and it's fine, but that's
not the question. The question is, can you have this debate,
Can you have a discussion, can you see what the
data actually show? Can you or are you going to

(01:18:29):
have a situation where a few people can dominate the
scientific discussion, dominate what's what's what's what's available to the public.
And I think we're moving toward policies where this science
becomes more about what it's always meant to be. A
science is supposed to be to promote freedom, not suppress it,
as we saw during the pandemic was well, and that's.

Speaker 8 (01:18:48):
Right, it was.

Speaker 7 (01:18:48):
Unfortunately and tragically science became a tool totalitarianism. When science
properly understud which is understanding the natural world and how
we interfaced with it, should be a tool of liberation
and of flourishing and the betterment of humanity. Where science
was used to actually suppress liberty and to suppress agency
and to suppress freedom, might put science in air quotes

(01:19:09):
because it wasn't about trusting the science.

Speaker 8 (01:19:11):
It was about trusting the scientists that they like.

Speaker 7 (01:19:14):
So now if there is a heterodox journal that wants
to be introduced, for example, saying lockdowns are no good.
This you call the duopoly. We only have a minute
rehalf remaining, I'd love to keep you doctor. Basically, you
know what would this I suppose I asked this question previously.
Let me rephrase it in this way. We know science
as liberating knowledge. It should not be a closed off racket.

Speaker 8 (01:19:36):
What would this.

Speaker 7 (01:19:37):
Possibly do now to have to change these incumbent major
corporate publishing actors. Because I believe you say that you're
going to have a cap on allowable publication costs. What
do you expect in response to this, well, I expect.

Speaker 26 (01:19:53):
That these journals, the duopolists, essentially will lose some of
their market power. A lot of them keeper has to
do with the fact that they they essentially bully scientists
into paying large fees and I essentially end up bullying us. Actually,
you know, Charlie, it's interesting because the private foundations, the
Gate Foundations, are not allowing these kind of charges to
be paid at all or limiting the charges. Also for

(01:20:15):
the longest time. Essentially these journals, these like Springer Nature,
have said okay to and given a better deal to
private foundations than they have to American taxpayers. So I
expect that thissent there's going to be have to some
more actions to take in. But ultimately endpoint will be
essentially a more democratic science, a democratic in the small

(01:20:35):
D sense, right, More more science that's like open and
free where people can have real honest scientific discussions about
the data rather than I think a few big actors
get to dominate dominate the field the way it has.

Speaker 6 (01:20:48):
That's that's the ultimate endgame.

Speaker 8 (01:20:50):
Doctor j Bottaria, stay right there.

Speaker 7 (01:20:52):
I'd love to have another segment just talk about generally
how NAH is going and the changes you're making.

Speaker 8 (01:20:56):
Again, the news is moving so fast.

Speaker 7 (01:20:59):
We lived under all that tyranny during COVID, and I
gotta be honest, what you guys are doing at HHS
has been one of the most results driven I mean
NHS is and the kind of the tree of that
stuff results driven parts of the federal government. Stay right there,
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Speaker 8 (01:22:01):
Doctor j. Bodacharia continues after the break.

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Okay, everybody, welcome back with us as doctor j Botacharia
live from the Bitcoin dot Com studio, Director of NIH.

Speaker 8 (01:23:51):
And we all remember during.

Speaker 7 (01:23:52):
COVID who was doctor who was your equivalent head of
NIH during all the COVID nonsense?

Speaker 6 (01:24:00):
It was doctor Francis Collins.

Speaker 8 (01:24:01):
Oh.

Speaker 7 (01:24:02):
He was yeah, no, no good on a lot of things, unfortunately,
because he was really good on creation and God many
years prior so.

Speaker 8 (01:24:09):
So, doctor, let me ask.

Speaker 7 (01:24:10):
You, since taking the job, what has been some one
of the most surprising things that you have learned and
what are the major tasks that you are endeavoring to
solve as director of NIH.

Speaker 26 (01:24:22):
Well, probably probably the most challenging thing has been to
try to focus the NIH on the priorities of making
America healthy again. That what that means to me is,
you know, if you look back, Charlie, over the last
since twenty twelve, there's been no increase in life expectancy
in this country.

Speaker 6 (01:24:38):
Yeah, that's not true of Europe.

Speaker 26 (01:24:39):
It's it's it's a it's a major scandal sitting in
front of us, and no one rather talked about it.

Speaker 6 (01:24:44):
We basically have had flat life.

Speaker 26 (01:24:45):
Expectancy, high rates of chronic disease, including diabetes, including cancer
including including uh you know, ob city, a whole host
of like diabet of conditions that really have gone unaddressed,
especially working class people and others.

Speaker 6 (01:25:00):
Who have felt the brunt of it.

Speaker 26 (01:25:03):
And the NIH's mission is to advance the health and
well being of the American people, to advance the health
and longevity of the American people. And so the most
shocking thing to me was that was essentially like they're
parts of I mean, I love that mission. That's why
I love the NI. It's why I agreed to be
a director of the NIH because I think that mission
is really important and I think science can do a
lot to help achieve that mission. But I think there

(01:25:24):
have been parts of the of the mission of the NI,
of the actual mission of the anitual, which have been sort
of adulterated, like a lot of it turned out, at
least some parts of the NIH were focused on DEI objectives,
essentially to try to achieve sort of social justice for
something that the science isn't really well equipped to achieve.
Instead of saying, Okay, what problems health problems do minority

(01:25:45):
populations have and how can we address them? Like it
turns out to be very problems that everyone has, you know,
high rates of obesity, untreated hypertension, diabetes, and heart disease,
all of these problems need to get addressed in ways
that really address the problem. Instead, it was like, you know,
a lot of a lot of the portfolio we're focused

(01:26:06):
on sort of DEI kinds of objectives that were remote
from from advancing the health of people. And so I've
worked and this this happened even before I got in.
After President Trump took office, We've worked to try to
focus the NIH on real health priorities that matter to people.
We want advances that improve the health of everybody, no
matter whether you're no matter what your raised color. It

(01:26:27):
doesn't matter that if you have a health problem, the
NH I be studying ways to help you, not trying
to achieve social justice. That's something we're not capable of.
That's something that other you know, that's that's beyond me.
I just want to simply do science that advances the
health of every single American and that's I think that's enough.

Speaker 7 (01:26:44):
And also, aren't there only like twenty universities that get
all the funding if we're if we're serious, shouldn't there
be more of a decentralization and a meritocracy around who
gets ANIH funding.

Speaker 26 (01:26:57):
Yeah, something like the top twenty universities get something like
sixty or seventy percent of all ANTAGE funding. And so
what you end up is essentially like scientific group thing.
I mean, I taught at Stanford University for many many years.
It's a great university. Don't get me wrong. I love
the place, but they're great scientists all across the country.
And the NIH kind of contributes to this group think
by concentrating where the money that we give goes now. Now,

(01:27:20):
of course, when the way the NIH gives grants out,
we solicit grant ideas research ideas from researchers around the country.
They give us their ideas and there's a big competition
to say which ideas are best. The problem is that
the fixed costs support the money we give to universities
so they can have the lab space and all that.
We tie it to having excellent scientists already at the

(01:27:42):
place they can win grants. But it's kind of a
It sets up this circular system. In order to have
excellent scientists, you have to have excellent facilities. In order
to have excellent support for those excellent facilities, you have
to have excellent scientists. It's a sort of a vicious
circle which guarantees that excellent scientists outside of the top
one universities will have a much more difficult time of
getting their excellent ideas funded. So that's something I'm looking

(01:28:05):
into how to fix. We really do need to address
that because it's bad for science to have a few
concentrated places get all the funding or so much of
the funding, and you get scientific group think as a result.

Speaker 6 (01:28:16):
You saw that again during.

Speaker 8 (01:28:17):
COVID without a doubt well.

Speaker 7 (01:28:19):
Doctor, I just want to say, on behalf of our audience,
thank you for your great work. And anytime there's breaking news,
you can come here and I can rest easy that
if there is another pathogen on the horizon, that you
will approach it with real science, that with real prudence,
and use this scientific method to restore trust and to
also uplift humanity. Doctor, thank you so much. We have

(01:28:41):
your back. Thank you, thank you, Charlie, thank you everybody.
I want to encourage you guys to get tickets to
the Student Action Summit. But let me just say one
other things on doctor j Boticharia and that whole team,
Bobby Kennedy and the MAHA movement. Love them or hate them,
they have done what they said they are going to do.
There's a lot of coalition angst on foreign policies, sometimes

(01:29:01):
in immigration, but I'll be honest, the coalition that has
been battle tested and held together the most of all
the coalitions is Maha. It's really something to study and
to behold. Maha is holding strong and doing what they
said they would do. See you guys tomorrow,
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