The Charlie Kirk Show, June 12, 2025

Commentary on Israel, Iran, Communism, Russia, Red October, and Stalin   

Guests: Jack Posobiec, Rep. Chip Roy, and Sean McMeekin

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
The Charlie Kirk Show starts.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Now. All of this is why.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
The aliens won't talk to us.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
I mean no disrespect to Congresswoman Waters, but somebody needs
to tell her that the voices in her head are
not real.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
I'm less confident now than I would have been a
couple of months ago. They're not going to have a
nuclear weapon, so it's not going to matter from that standpoint.
But it would be nicer to do it without warfare,
without people dying, so much nicer to do it. But
I don't think I see the same level of enthusiasm
for them to make it deal. I think they're making it.

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I think they would make a mistake, but we'll see.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
I guess I'm but I know our time.

Speaker 6 (01:02):
I know that you live at a I literally left
Los Angeles Sunday night. What is happening in Los Angeles,
and the way it is being depicted is not accurate.
We're talking about a square mile out of a five
hundred square mouse city. Most people are not experiencing it
the way we are showing it on television, and I
think we have to be very careful because there are

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not riots in the street. There are some bad actors
and they need to be held accountable. But we have
to be careful what the language you use, because if
we say riot, we cause unnecessary fear, and the real
fear is when military people start flooding our streaks unnecessarily.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I say, really quick, I remember.

Speaker 7 (01:39):
A few stand ups ago I talked about what terrorism
looks like.

Speaker 8 (01:45):
This is it.

Speaker 7 (01:47):
There should be no question to what our country will
look like. Have the Confederacy want? We're seeing it on
full display.

Speaker 9 (01:54):
Let me, I have very mixed feelings about showing this.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
To both of you.

Speaker 10 (01:58):
It is It is news, but it is.

Speaker 9 (02:04):
News from the Trump administration. It's a post from the
Department of Homeland Security that they put on x advertise
advertising a tip line with a poster that reads, quote,
help your country and yourself report all foreign invaders. This
is your taxpayer dollars farther than who you voted for.
If you pay taxes, your taxes are paying for this

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ad being disseminated.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
You provide an update on Iran.

Speaker 11 (02:30):
We're hearing reports that US personnel are being.

Speaker 6 (02:32):
Moved out of the region within striking business.

Speaker 12 (02:35):
Well, they are being moved out because it could be
a dangerous place. And we'll see what happens, but they
are being We've given notice.

Speaker 6 (02:42):
Is there anything that can be done to dial the
temperature down in the region.

Speaker 11 (02:47):
They can't have a new clear, new weapon.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Very simply, they can't have a new clue.

Speaker 13 (02:52):
We're not going to allow that.

Speaker 14 (02:54):
I don't think this is something that's helping Republicans at all.
This is not what Donald Trump said.

Speaker 6 (02:59):
He was going to do.

Speaker 14 (03:00):
He said he was going to risk legal criminals, people
who are dangerous.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 14 (03:05):
I think it's just sinks in that there's a fundamental
American quality to see masked unidentified men in guard you
can buy on eBay, picking people off the street.

Speaker 15 (03:18):
He has a responsibility in all of this. He started this.
That should be no violence. He should not continue to
support violence. They should not be edged on and provoked
in any way. And that's what the President of the
United States is doing to exert his power and to
show that he's in charge, and to show that he's

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going to get the numbers that he promised to get
to get people deported.

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effort that the President promised the American public. It's part
of the reason we do need the One Big Beautiful
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Speaker 19 (05:26):
Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

Speaker 20 (05:27):
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dot Com. Charlie's on assignment today. Lots of news happening.
I would be remiss if we didn't mention the victims
of the Air India crash. Seven eighty seven eight Dreamliner

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Boeing crashed immediately after takeoff. It was headed to London.
Two hundred and forty two people were aboard, fifty two
British nationals, and it looks like there may have been
one loan survivor. Some of the reports are mixed there,
but our hearts and our prayers do go out to
the victims of that tragedy. Absolutely incredible story. If that

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is ultimately confirmed. Of the one lone survivor, we're hearing
reports that he jumped out of an exit door. He
was seated toward the front. Truly remarkable. If it ends
up getting confirmed. That's the images of him now if
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out to him, to the victims and all their families

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headed to London.

Speaker 19 (06:38):
Pretty remarkable.

Speaker 20 (06:40):
I do want to get to I believe what is
the main story right now?

Speaker 19 (06:44):
Trump is in the Oval Office.

Speaker 20 (06:46):
He has just signed three pieces of three House resolutions
banning the EVY mandate out of California. Many other states followed,
but that's not the main news. The main news is,
of course, the developments in the Middle I want to
bring in Jack Pasobic. He is the host of Human
Events Daily with Jackpisobic on Real America's Voice. Jack, Welcome

(07:08):
to the show. There's so much to unpack here with
what's going on and around. I mean, it started yesterday
we were getting reports that embassy staff non essential personnel
on a baff Rain Baghdad, Kuwait. We're getting moved out,
evacuated essentially out of the region. Drums of war certainly

(07:29):
seem to be beating Jack Pisobic. What is the latest
out of the Middle East?

Speaker 21 (07:34):
Well, Andrew, thanks so much always for having me on
here in the Mobile.

Speaker 22 (07:38):
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Speaker 21 (07:43):
But look, you know, as a as a priority of
intelligence officer, when things like this go down, it's obviously
something that my heart's and prayers always go out to
any of the US service members and in many cases
their families, and also that includes contractors and their families.
People think that, you know, at these bases that they'll

(08:03):
say okay. And President Trump graciously retweeted me yesterday when
I said, we have more troops in la than we
do in rak and Syria right now, and which is
actually true if you go to if you count number
my number, but in the in the US military presidence
that we currently have in the Middle East writ large
that it's actually quite stronger than that. So we have

(08:24):
troops in Kuwait, we have troops in Bahrain, we have
troops in Qatar, the UAE, we have troops in Jordan,
we have troops in Saudi We do obstually, obviously have
troops in Iraq and Syria still, though not as many
as during the active combat operations Turkey, Djibouti, and all
across our naval task forces, including the USS Harry Truman,
the USS Carl Vincent, both aircraft carriers then you've also

(08:48):
got those at least six B two strategic bombers down
at the at Diego Garcia Air Base. Now that's in
the Indian Ocean, but because of their long range capabilities,
they have the ability to strike Ran, have ability to
strike deep into Sencom. They're supporting, could support Sencom operations.
Why a lot of people think that those long range
bombers were placed there.

Speaker 22 (09:08):
So what we're seeing is this.

Speaker 21 (09:11):
Drum beat of will the US back strikes on Iran?
NBC reporting that Israel is planning to take strikes on
Iran with potentially the backing of the United States, and
the US doesn't directly take.

Speaker 22 (09:27):
Part in them.

Speaker 21 (09:28):
Of course, the question is if Iran were to retaliate,
there's all these targets and all.

Speaker 22 (09:33):
Of this US equipment personnel in the region.

Speaker 21 (09:36):
The other side is Steve Witkoff and Steve Whitcoff currently
is also set to continue his meetings with the Iranians
later this weekend.

Speaker 20 (09:45):
That's going to be in Oman, and Oman has confirmed
that the next round of US Iran nuclear talks will
take place looks like this Sunday, So either a strike
is imminent from Israel, Israel is signaling to the United
States to the world that it wants to move forward. Now,
President Trump, to his credit on this, has rebuffed Israel.

(10:09):
Actually that he did it in April once again in May.
The what is the urgency here, though, Jack, I mean
there there's reports that that Iron may already have enough
nuclear fuel material to create ten bombs?

Speaker 19 (10:27):
Is that those are the reports that we're hearing?

Speaker 20 (10:30):
Is there any other indication that we know what's forcing
this this urgency from Israel?

Speaker 21 (10:36):
Well, those reports have been coming out for quite some time,
but the IC assessment has still and does remain that
the program for enriching that nuclear that nuclear capacity towards
weaponized uranium and weaponized nuclear material has been ceased, and
that has been the IC assessment for years at this point,

(10:56):
and obviously this being the real question of the debates
and these discussions in the negotiations themselves, the diplomacy is
all about this. And in fact The Guardian had a
piece a couple of weeks ago that there was an
idea floated by and it wasn't clear if the US
floated it or Iran floated it directly that perhaps, as
we know, there are negotiations concurrently happening with Russia visa

(11:20):
the Ukraine. So the question is that if it were
the Russians, who, of course is as people know the history,
were the ones who came in and finished the building
of that Bushir nuclear power plant in Iran, that perhaps
the Russians could be the ones to come in and
become the guarranteurs that this enrichment, which is something that

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Obama never got. Obama never had any of this and
certainly not a permanent agreement at all, that perhaps it
was something that US and Russia could work on together
to triangulate on Iran, because of course they would not
have a nuclear program were it not for the Russians.
You tie that piece to the Ukrainian negotiations at the
same time, and this presents Trump and Witcock perhaps with

(12:03):
a grand strategy that they're working on together. And so
this pressure that's being put on this essentially is because
Iran has been degraded. They just lost Syria, they lost
a key ally of course in Assad, the Shea militia
groups have really been drawn down there, and so the
idea is that because they are in a degraded state

(12:25):
because of their losses, Law of Hamas.

Speaker 22 (12:27):
Has central losses that have gone on over the.

Speaker 21 (12:29):
Past year, that perhaps they wouldn't be able to strike
back with the force that they normally would be able
to bring to bear, say twelve months ago or eighteen
months ago.

Speaker 20 (12:38):
Yeah, I mean Hesba Lah and Jumas obviously have been
massively degraded, and that was oftentimes the levers that the
Iranians would pull to exert you know, casualties, damages against Israel.
I want to play this clip from President Trump. He
went on with Miranda divine, and he's definitely signaling more

(13:00):
activity as opposed to positivity. Now again, he rebuffed Benjamin
at Yahoo's requests for assistance in April and May because
negotiations were ongoing. He felt that there was positive momentum.
Let's go ahead and play for seventy six.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
I'm less confident now than I would have been a
couple of months ago. They're not going to have a
nuclear weapon, so it's not going to matter from that standpoint.
But it would be nicer to do it without warfare,
without people dying. Yes, so much nicer to do it.
But I don't think I see the same level of
enthusiasm for them to make a deal. I think they'd

(13:37):
make it. I think they would make a mistake.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
But we'll see.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
I guess time will tell.

Speaker 20 (13:42):
And again Jack Posivac last night at the Kennedy Center,
he was asked about ran similar tone for sixty eight.

Speaker 11 (13:51):
Did you provide an update on Iran.

Speaker 23 (13:53):
We're hearing reports that US personnel are being moved out
of the region within striking distance.

Speaker 12 (13:58):
Well, they are being moved out because it could be
a dangerous place, and we'll see what happens.

Speaker 13 (14:03):
But they are ben we've given notice.

Speaker 11 (14:05):
Is there anything that.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Could be done to dial the temperature down in the region.

Speaker 12 (14:10):
They can't have a nuclear weapon very simply, they can't
have a nuclear weapon.

Speaker 11 (14:14):
Uh, We're not going to allow that.

Speaker 20 (14:19):
So Trump is saying they can't have a nuclear weapon.
This is what bb Ntyana who's been saying Israel has
been saying. There is a a push in this. They
believe Israel believes, according to reports, that there is a
limited window where Iran is still vulnerable and these uh,
these nuclear weapons are are not weaponized yet.

Speaker 19 (14:38):
So more with.

Speaker 20 (14:39):
Jack Pasobac on the other side of his break, don't
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The Herzog Foundation. So, Jack, I have really two questions.

Speaker 20 (17:50):
Do you believe that the US is going to be
involved in these airstrikes?

Speaker 19 (17:56):
Is there an option where Israel goes it alone?

Speaker 20 (17:59):
And secondly, and these are it's a bigger conversation, but
is MAGA behind this? Is Trump's support base of support
going to be behind something as kinetic as an active
military operation against Iran?

Speaker 21 (18:15):
Well, and you're essentially what you're talking about here is
a proxy war, and this would be viewed in the
Middle East largely as a proxy war, the same way
that Ukraine is currently viewed as a proxy war between
the US and Russia. This is why negotiations but directly
between Ukraine and Russia have stalled out, because everyone knows
that it's really the US that's been supporting Ukraine all

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this time, and that's why it's not going to end
until there we've seen the negotiation install we try to
go as a Lensky's Lensky tries to get Russia, et cetera.

Speaker 22 (18:45):
It always falls apart.

Speaker 21 (18:47):
Because everyone knows it's got to come down betwetween Trump
and putin for that negotiation, and because it is a
proxy war. It's not started by President Trump, but it
certainly is a proxy war. Nonetheless, this would also, I believe,
be viewed in the same lens as a proxy war,
with Israel acting as that proxy and then creating a
situation where the US would be blamed. The only difference being,

(19:09):
of course, that the US has so many forces that
are directly as I just outlined, directly involved in the
Middle East right now, whether it be at US basis
or at different areas around Syria, Iraq and elsewise. Now
you've also got the massive other corollary of the price
of oil.

Speaker 22 (19:29):
So the price of wol shot up.

Speaker 21 (19:30):
Like crazy during the opening days of the Ukraine Russia
War well, and the US at that time barely bought
any oil from Russia. Certainly still doesn't right now. A
JP Morgan is projecting that the price of oil would double,
barrel of oil would double if an Iraq or excuse me,
Iron war would break out. Potential straded for Moos closure,

(19:52):
where twenty percent of the world's oil flows through the
Persian Gulf.

Speaker 22 (19:58):
So this is something where look, it comes to MAGA.

Speaker 21 (20:01):
I think that I think that even if we weren't
necessarily the ones who were conducting the strikes, I think
that the United States would still kind of be be
on the hook for the bill. And that's where MAGA
would come in, because when people voted in twenty twenty four,
one of the biggest rallying cries of twenty twenty four
was no new wars.

Speaker 22 (20:20):
There'd be no no wars, no World War three, that
we would not be.

Speaker 21 (20:23):
Pushing for these conflicts, that we would be stepping up
stepping back from this and pushing negotiations. That's Witkoff. That's
been Trump, That's been the piece agenda. And Trump has
always signaled that he wants his legacy to be this
piece legacy.

Speaker 20 (20:38):
Yeah, I agree with you, Jack, that is going to
I think you put it really well, that MAGA is
going to see this as America getting foot with the bill,
even if we're not the ones pushing for it, even
if Trump has been rebuffing bb net Yahoo's push to
strike a run. Now, this was breaking from Axios in
the last twenty minutes here. Jack white House envoy Steve
Whitcoff privately warmed top sent Republicans last week that Iran

(21:01):
could unleash a mass casualty response of Israel bombs their
nuclear facilities. Apparently these you know, Iran has shot missiles
at Israel in the relatively recent past, I think it
was last year in response. These are actually pretty sophisticated missiles.
They have two thousand ballistic missiles. And Steve Witkoff said

(21:23):
in a speech on Wednesday in New York, it's as
big of an existential threat for Israel as Iran's nuclear capabilities.

Speaker 19 (21:30):
Jack final word thirty seconds.

Speaker 21 (21:32):
Iran is not the Taliban. Iran has a serious military,
has the ability to threaten. Israel has the ability to respond.
And certainly, if you were supportive of Israel, if you're
supportive of peace, and I think nobody wants Iran to
have this nuclear weapon. And that's why I backed the
agenda the President Trump stood for when he was on

(21:53):
all of those rallies in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan saying
no new wars.

Speaker 20 (21:58):
Yeah, pray for peace, no new wars. Very scary situation
out of the Middle East. Jack Pasovic Human Events Daily
check it out.

Speaker 19 (22:06):
Thanks making the time. Jack nob.

Speaker 24 (22:15):
Him Bo Davidson with your Real America's Voice news headlines.
On Saturday, the US Army will celebrate its two hundred
and fiftieth birthday with a military parade in Washington, d C.
The Army plans to put on its full military might
with a number of Army vehicles and equipment. President Trump
is expected to attend the parade, as it also coincides
with his seventy.

Speaker 10 (22:35):
Ninth birthday and Flag Day.

Speaker 24 (22:38):
Stay tuned to Real America's Voice for exclusive coverage from
four pm to ten pm, and another news the State
Department has ordered the departure of non essential personnel from
its embassy in Baghdad due to increased security risks. The
State Department said, quote, President Trump is committed to keeping
Americans safe, both at home and abroad. In keeping with
that commitment, we are constantly as assessing the appropriate personnel

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posture at all our embassies. Based on our latest analysis,
we decided to reduce our.

Speaker 10 (23:06):
Mission in Iraq.

Speaker 19 (23:07):
Unquote.

Speaker 24 (23:08):
Another official said that Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth has
authorized the voluntary departure of military dependents from locations across
the Middle East. Meanwhile, Senator John Fetterman is doubling down
on his criticism of the anti ICE rioters with a
do and don't list on X. He states, do not loot,
set things on fire, assault law enforcement, do protest peacefully,

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organize to win elections, and.

Speaker 10 (23:36):
Call out destructive behavior like this.

Speaker 24 (23:38):
Fetterman is one of very few Democrats who have publicly
called the protest out for their violence. And another news,
former Minnesota governor and vice presidential candidate Tim Walls testifies
today along with fellow Democrat governors Kathy Hochel and Illinois
Governor J. B. Pritzker in front of the House Oversight
and Government Reform Committee. The committee Republicans are expected to

(24:00):
grill the governors on their state's respective status as sanctuaries
for illegal immigrants. Pritzker spokesperson Matt Hill stated that the
governor will defend the Illinois Trust Act, which does not
permit state, county, or local law enforcement agencies to work
with immigration and Customs enforcement on civil immigration enforcement activities,
but allows cooperation when a criminal warrant or court order

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is involved. And in news today, an Air India plane
crashed while it was flying to the UK. Officials say
the Boeing seven eighty seven crashed shortly after takeoff near
the local airport. We are seeing reports now that there
are no expected survivors. There were reportedly two hundred and
forty two passengers and crew members on board the jet
and it crashed in a Metabad, a city of about
five million people.

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All right, without further ado Ado Representative Chip Roy, Welcome
to the Charlie kirk Show. Honored to have you, sir. Well, yeah,
we're doing all right, We've got this. There's a lot
of news right now. The reason that we wanted to
have you on in the more related to domestic affairs.
But I want to start with your take. We've been

(26:41):
talking about Iran. It seems like the drums of war beating.
President Trump was just asked about it from the White House.
Is an attack imminent? Was he was just asked? He said, well,
I don't want to say it was imminent, but it's
certainly a possibility.

Speaker 19 (26:56):
Chip Roy. It's just your.

Speaker 20 (26:57):
Your initial response to what's happening in the Middle East,
and what should President Trump supporters, conservatives, what should we
make of it?

Speaker 25 (27:06):
Well, first of all, the President is exactly right and
what he just said, and I certainly personally believe we
cannot allow Ran to get nuclear capability. I fundamentally disagree
with some of the people here in this country who
I think I don't know whether you want to call
him isolations or what.

Speaker 11 (27:20):
I don't believe in all of those labels.

Speaker 25 (27:22):
What I know is we need to defend our interests,
and our interests are certainly very much intertwined with the
idea that a RAN should not have nuclear capability. It
would be massively destructive to peace and stability, not just
the Middle East, but to the entire world, including our
own safety and security here in this country. We know
that the leadership of RAN is radicalized, and they certainly

(27:42):
have no love for the United States of America.

Speaker 11 (27:44):
They are our enemies. We know this.

Speaker 25 (27:46):
So I be the president exactly right. And by the way,
he has given every peaceful path, maybe to a fault,
I say, respectfully, has given every peaceful path for I
RAN to try to take.

Speaker 11 (27:58):
I think some of us would say, well, maybe even.

Speaker 25 (28:00):
Opening the door to an agreement that maybe isn't strong
enough or aggressive enough. But bottom line is he's certainly
been trying. Because he's a president understands we all need
to be in forever wars. We don't need to be
in forever conflicts and endless wars like we work for
the first two decades of the century, but we do
need to send a loud signal.

Speaker 11 (28:16):
And by the way, do I think Israel is going
to act?

Speaker 25 (28:18):
Seems highly likely, certainly probable if Ran doesn't come to
their senses and come to some agreement.

Speaker 11 (28:24):
That is reasonable. But you know what, Israel has acted before.

Speaker 25 (28:28):
I think in like eighty two and like there's been
maybe an O seven, they've made strikes to take out
nuclear capability, whether it's Syria or otherwise, and that.

Speaker 11 (28:36):
Didn't necessarily, that didn't trigger World War three.

Speaker 25 (28:38):
Israel has a right to defend itself and ensure that
they're not going to have a nuclear capability in Iran.
In the United States, we have to defend our interests
as well. Pete Hegsett said it. Well, Israel has their
right to do it. They think it's correct. We need
to defend our interests and we will be continue to engage,
and I think the President.

Speaker 11 (28:54):
Is right correct to do so.

Speaker 20 (28:57):
Yeah, I mean, and apparently one of the big road blocks,
Congressman is this is that Iran's saber rattling. They're saying,
in that case, America will have to leave the region
because all of its bases are within our reach. We
have access to them, and without hesitation, we will target
all of them. In the host countries. Uh, the minister
told Iranian press. So, I mean they're they're actively saber rattling.

(29:20):
That being said, Steve Woodcoff is still planning to be
in Oman on Sunday to continue to be the sixth
round of peace talks with representatives from Iran.

Speaker 25 (29:32):
You know.

Speaker 20 (29:33):
The the the issue here is that even if Israel
goes it alone, America is going to be left hold
in the bag. I mean that we're going to be
embroiled in this conflict. I heard Trump this morning from
the White House. He's you know, you can see his
eyes on on oil prices. There's some predictions that oil
prices would could double because so much of the world's
oil is going through that region. You know, is there

(29:56):
support within Capitol Hill, Congressman for you know, enriching you know, like,
like you said, a deal that reaches a compromise where
they're able to enrich low grade uranium for nuclear energy
purposes or you know, something of that effect, or is it?

Speaker 19 (30:12):
Is it? I mean Trump seems to be.

Speaker 20 (30:14):
Sounding the no no nuclear fuel, no, no no capacity
at all.

Speaker 19 (30:19):
That's his that's his line.

Speaker 11 (30:21):
Yeah, I agree with the President.

Speaker 25 (30:22):
I certainly think there are large quarters in Congress that
fully agree with the president. Again, this is a president
who has tried to see peace in every path, whether
you're dealing with Ukraine and Russia, whether as he pointed out,
you're dealing with India and Pakistan, now here with Israel
in Iran.

Speaker 11 (30:40):
And again I would argue, and I.

Speaker 25 (30:41):
Mean respectfully, Franklin giving in praise, he has been trying,
maybe to a fault, to give you know, exit rams
to Iran. But at the end of the day, a
nuclearized Iran is an Iran that puts the United States
at peril, and not just is not just vicariously because
they're putting Israel in peril, they put us in peril.
There are massive numbers of people in Iran, but particularly

(31:04):
in their leadership.

Speaker 11 (31:05):
So there are a lot of people in Iran who
don't like their leadership.

Speaker 25 (31:07):
They want freedom, they'd love to have, you know, the
Iran of nineteen seventy nine and previously.

Speaker 11 (31:12):
And God bless them. Now you have a lot of.

Speaker 25 (31:14):
Maridian Americans who, you know, they're just dying for Iran
to be you know, brought back again and out of
this crazy leadership.

Speaker 11 (31:21):
But they do have crazy leadership, and.

Speaker 25 (31:22):
They do have people there in charge of hate our
country and want to do as far the US to say,
we would be completely irresponsible. Just as they were irresponsible
to allow North Korea to get nuclearized, we would similarly
be irresponsible to allow Aram to be nuclearized.

Speaker 11 (31:38):
And d state wives is the region, it also is
in our you know it puts US at risk.

Speaker 20 (31:43):
Congressman, I want to turn our attention to some breaking
news out of your home state of Texas. Governor Greg
Abbott has deployed is in the process of deploying five
thousand National Guard soldiers in two thousand state troopers across
Texas to maintain order. This is ahead of, obviously the
no Kings protests that has planned for the weekend.

Speaker 19 (32:06):
What's going on in Texas?

Speaker 20 (32:08):
I mean, I think a lot of US are a
little surprised that Texas would have similar problems what we've
seen in Los Angeles. What's the update on the ground,
what can we expect?

Speaker 11 (32:18):
Well, look, Texas is a great state.

Speaker 25 (32:20):
We have leadership that isn't going to tolerate the kind
of garbage that we're seeing in California.

Speaker 11 (32:23):
But yes, we're a state of thirty million plus people
and we.

Speaker 25 (32:26):
Have some radical progressives who are being fueled by the
same people who are being fueled in California. And you've
got people that are throwing all of this into it
to try to destabilize and create chaos. We're seeing in
San Antonio, which I represent, We're seeing it throughout the state.
The governor's activating the National Guard to get in front
of this ahead of time, and he's writing to do that.
We're a long water state and we shouldn't tolerate it.

(32:48):
We acted swiftly at universities when they were destabilizing all
that stuff in respective Palestine and dangering our Jewish students
and others, and we acted swiftly there.

Speaker 11 (32:58):
We should act swiftly now, like this stuff is crazy.

Speaker 25 (33:01):
You can't allow this to happen in a country that
depends on the rule of law in order for us.

Speaker 11 (33:07):
To be able to advance and prosper.

Speaker 25 (33:09):
And by the way, the least so many people want
to come to the United States is because we historically have.

Speaker 11 (33:13):
Defended the rule of law. Cities burning is not the
rule of law.

Speaker 25 (33:17):
The fact is the president and his people are doing
the right thing to try to remove these dangerous people
that are released into our country. By Biden, but not
just that, literally millions in violation of our law and
a parole and asylum that are then using resources, using
up our law enforcement, using up hospitals, filling our schools,
and we've got to have a pause. We've got to
remove a number of large number of people. And that's

(33:38):
what ICE is doing. And there's no apologies on this.

Speaker 19 (33:41):
Right.

Speaker 11 (33:42):
We're either sovereign, national or not.

Speaker 25 (33:44):
And so these guys want to pick this fight, they're
picking the wrong fight. The President is correct to do this,
the governor is correct to make sure we've gotten National
Guard pulled out.

Speaker 11 (33:53):
Our law enforcement need to act.

Speaker 25 (33:55):
And by the way, a message to San Antonio, which
I represented others, you know, you need to step up.
The city of San Antonio, the City of Dallas, city
of Boston, City for Worth, Houston, they need to step up.
Even though they have more liberal leadership, we do not
tolerate lawlessness in the state of Texas. And so I'm
good for the governor for engaging.

Speaker 20 (34:12):
Yeah, I mean, I completely agree. If they can pull
this off in Texas, Congressman, it's going to send a
terrible message across the country and the blue cities are
going to burn even more. Somehow, your colleagues in the House,
your Democratic colleagues, they keep finding themselves on the wrong
side of sixty forty seventy thirty eighty twenty issues. Seems

(34:34):
like they're doing it again. Let's go ahead and play
your colleague.

Speaker 19 (34:36):
Rep. Evette Clark four or five.

Speaker 26 (34:40):
We still don't know the full consequences of this unprecedented
authoritarian overreach. But let me be clear, Congressional Democrats stand
in full solidarity with the residents of Los Angeles, with
our immigrants, sisters and brothers, and with the peaceful protesters
who dare to speak out and who will support every

(35:02):
effort to oppose this president's abuse of power.

Speaker 20 (35:08):
So Democrats are drawing the line and sand they're standing
in solidarity with the immigrants. Now I have a question
for you, Congressman, if somebody breaks into the country, is
that how you would define an immigrant?

Speaker 11 (35:19):
Well, notice she used the word residence.

Speaker 25 (35:21):
She certainly doesn't care about citizenship or legal status that
has actually earned through the proper channels of law. Let's
remember that it was the Biden administration and the radical
Democrats and Congress who were using wrongly and illegally. In
my view, a bastardized a version of asylum and role
which were put in there to be very technical small

(35:43):
ways for people to come to this country if they
can make the.

Speaker 11 (35:46):
Case that there's an exclusion that they should come here.

Speaker 25 (35:49):
And they categorically released millions of people in the United
States that was in violation of her law, which means
those people do not have legitimate status here. Okay, that's
just the truth, and so we've got to deal with
that reality.

Speaker 11 (36:02):
Democrats are a course on the wrong side of this.

Speaker 25 (36:04):
But let's be very bit clear, they're sending a really
loud signal because they're picking a fight even on the criminals.
They're not just picking a fight on the person who
is here who isn't a dangerous criminal that was released
into our country wrongly and illegal and using public welfare benefits,
rising and raising our costs and so forth. They're not
picking that more I guess sympathetic example. They're literally picking

(36:28):
a fight on lawless criminals like the guy in mary
like others like this guy in Colorado that the you know,
they're trying to defend. That tells you where they're coming from.
They do not believe in sovereignty. They do not believe
in the rule of law, and we see that unbollieving
the dealer.

Speaker 19 (36:44):
So Congressman, you were one, and this this is related.

Speaker 20 (36:48):
You were one of the fiscal hawks in the houses.
The big Beautiful Bill was getting passed through the House.
You ended up being a yes vote. I think you
did that.

Speaker 19 (36:55):
In good faith. I know you did it through grit teeth.

Speaker 20 (36:59):
Everything you're seeing it, I think in Los Angeles around
the country is galvanizing the base around getting the big
beautiful bill pass to the Senate. Are you optimistic that
it's going to be improved in the Senate before it
gets you know, before this actually gets passed. You have
to optimistic it's going to get past thirty seconds.

Speaker 25 (37:17):
Not unless the President is successful in getting the Senate
to understand that the House is the baseline and they
need to improve it. If they backslide on the green
new subsidies, green new scam subsidies, they backslide on the
Medicaid work requirements, they backslide on the spending restraint that
got us to at least sort of.

Speaker 11 (37:33):
Believing that it would be deficit neutral.

Speaker 25 (37:35):
I said that for a grit teeth like you said,
it's going to change and so right now I have
some real concerns.

Speaker 11 (37:40):
The Senate needs to get it right.

Speaker 20 (37:43):
God bless you, Congressman, you've been doing heroes work.

Speaker 19 (37:46):
We'll talk to you soon. Thanks so much.

Speaker 11 (37:47):
Thanks Scouts, appreciate it.

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Speaker 20 (39:51):
Close the loop on this Iran conversation. I'm going to
give you the Maga perspective. Okay, there's so much much
news swirling.

Speaker 19 (40:01):
I'm gonna lay out the facts. I'm gonna give you
my best take.

Speaker 20 (40:05):
Where this is going, where I think it should go,
where we should all pray it goes. Pray for peace.
That's the big that's a big takeaway. Pray for peace.

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Speaker 10 (40:50):
We get it.

Speaker 20 (40:51):
Iran wants death to Israel. They're threatening American military personnel
within the region. That's why we have moved people out
of Iran, out of Bachhran rather Kuwait, Baghdad, non essential
military personnel and their families.

Speaker 19 (41:06):
They're coming out. Here's the deal Trump ran on peace
through strength.

Speaker 20 (41:11):
Trump is often toubting the fact that there's been no
new wars, that he defeated Isis. We have been hearing
from the intel community for decades. It seems like at
least ten years, maybe longer. Blake can fact check me
on that. We have been hearing that they were on

(41:32):
the precipice of having a nuclear weapon for a long time.
Now we're hearing that they've made advances and that they
have enough fuel to basically create ten nuclear weapons, but
they do not yet have the ability to militarize them,
to deploy them, to actually create them, turn them into bombs.
Literally since the nineties, Blake says, we've been hearing this

(41:52):
and one of the biggest wins of trump Ism, of
the MAGA movement has been peace through strength, no new wars.
We have stopped the insanity of death and destruction in
the Middle East, and were.

Speaker 19 (42:07):
On this show.

Speaker 20 (42:07):
We're proud supporters of the state of Israel. Believe we
believe they have a right to exist, but we also
believe that something should be their problem and not necessarily
our problem as well, and we want to be enthusiastic
supporters of their ability to defend themselves to live in peace,
but there is no scenario here where Israel strikes Iran

(42:31):
and America is not also embroiled in that conflict. There
is no scenario let me repeat, where Iran is struck
by Israel, even in a precision strike, where America is
not also brought into that struggle. Now, let me explain
why that's true. Because even last year, when Israel conducted

(42:53):
targeted strikes on Iran, missiles were then shot back at Israel.
Some were intercepted by the Iron Dome, others were intercepted
by US military. So if Iran, with its two thousand
ballistic missiles were to fire those back at Israel, America
would be forced to respond in defense of Israel, so

(43:14):
that we do not have a mass casualty event.

Speaker 19 (43:18):
And as Steve.

Speaker 20 (43:19):
Whitkoff is now saying and has been reported by Axios
just moments ago, this represents just as big of an
existential threat for Israel as Iran's nuclear capabilities. So one
of the big instigating events here is the timing. Bibi
net Yahoo just survived a vote of no confidence narrowly

(43:42):
in Israel, so he's got a little bit of a lifeline.
We don't know for how long. Domestic politics in Israel
is what it is. It's complicated business, just like it
is here.

Speaker 19 (43:54):
And the fear.

Speaker 20 (43:56):
Is is that since Trump pulled out of the JCPOA
in twenty eighteen, that they have made massive strides in
their nuclear capabilities. Bib doesn't know how long he's got
left to be in charge. He staved off this voter
no confidence just recently, but there could be another. And
the other issue is that Iran is creating a lot

(44:17):
of these ballistic missiles, so much so that they could
overwhelm the Iron Dome and actually cause a lot of
casualties within Israel. This is a very very tense situation.
Now here's the hope. The hope is that this is
all saber rattling, that this is three D chess, that
Trump is trying to send a message to the Iranians,

(44:40):
you better get serious, you better come to the table,
you better have your concessions, because this is real, and
I do think it Israel. I do think Israel wants
to actually strike Iran, which it views as an existential
threat to the State of Israel and the Jewish people.
But I think Trump is willing to let a few

(45:00):
Domino's fall in hopes that the Sunday talks with Steve
whitcoff in Oman go well, and that they realize the
Americans and the Israelis mean business peace through strength. Trump
is always prone to saber rattling. He's always been willing
to rattle the sabers, much louder than many other people.

(45:21):
Hopefully this is brinksmanship. Hopefully this is brinksmanship to bring
Iran to the table. Now, Iran, as Jack Pasoviak said
earlier in the hour, is not al Qaeda.

Speaker 19 (45:30):
This is a.

Speaker 20 (45:30):
Relatively sophisticated military operation that is aided by Russian military
sources and technologies. And we have to hope and pray
that we are not embroiled in this. We don't have
the money, we don't have the Trump's base does not
have the appetite for this, and there is a desire
for Israel to conduct its own affairs without so much

(45:52):
of our hope. Now, pray for peace, folks, Pray for peace.
That's all I can say. Pray for peace. An hour two,
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(48:14):
seeing the riots spread across the country. The Hill is
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a few. The activist groups are reportedly partnering to host them.
The Trump administration set marines and National Guard troops to
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(48:37):
this message for Trump.

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This is about all of us.

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Okay, everybody, very special guest here and we're gonna talk
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again with Professor Sean mcmeeeckon. Doctor mcmeekon, I should say
Sean is absolutely, Sean is fine. Yeah, we have lots
of these books are incredible accomplishments.

Speaker 23 (52:11):
You got to write longer books. Well, yeah, I think
that one's a little longer than the other one. You're right,
this is incredible. I mean, this is I would love
to one day read it. I don't know if I
have the time, but I mean, look at the amount
of the bibliography here alone is like one hundred pages long.
It's pretty long, believe it or I actually cut about
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(52:33):
and it still ended up more than eight hundred pages long.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
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Speaker 4 (52:37):
I want to talk about this book in particular and
the theme which I love to overthrow the world, the
rise and fall and rise of communism.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
What is this book about.

Speaker 23 (52:48):
Well, so, after the fall of the Soviet Union, there
was a period of can almost called triumphalism. The most
famous phrase was probably Francis Fukuyama's talking about it and
the history we have the same that you yeltsin bellowing
on the tank. It looked like communism was dead, buried, finish.
There was even talk about this kind of Nuremberg trial
for Communism that everyone was maybe hoping for, wishing would happen.

(53:10):
In the same way that the Nuremberg trials helped put
Nazism to rest and ruined and destroyed its reputation.

Speaker 19 (53:15):
Forever.

Speaker 23 (53:16):
That didn't quite happen though, I mean I discovered when
I looked into all, though I lived through it.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
At the time.

Speaker 23 (53:21):
I remember hearing about how the Communist Party was vaguely
on trial in Russia, but the details were a little murky.
I learned later what had actually happened in nineteen ninety
two was that the Communist Party had sued Boris Yeltsen
because he had outlawed the Communist Party, and his position,
effectively was it wasn't just a party, it was kind
of this criminal organization, conspiracy fusing together with state structures

(53:42):
to produce this totalitarian impression.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
And they did talk about some of this at the trial.
But in the end, here's the thing. The Communist Party.

Speaker 23 (53:48):
Won and they were relegalized, and very soon they were
actually at the largest political party again in the Russian Federation,
and they very nearly defeated Yeltsin in the ninety six selections.
We also had China, of course, that was the discordant
part about the story from the outset. If history had
supposedly ended with this Western triumph, why did we have
Tianneman Square in nineteen eighty nine in China? Made June

(54:11):
nineteen eighty nine, this incredibly dark storing, this massacre in
the streets of Beijing. And then of course the CCP
endurers in China to this day, and you know, is
given the world many treats. So over the past a
few decades, the covid locks given.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
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Speaker 23 (54:27):
So, first of all, congratulations on your work. I know
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Compared to you, I know.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
More than the guy in the street. But so is
it one of the reasons of such a great point.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
I've never thought of it, that there was this clear
like we must put the philosophy of fascism on trial
in Nuremberg to put it to rest. Is one of
the reasons that never happened. Because the intelligentsia of the
West actually agreed with a lot of communistic Marxist precepts.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
I think there's something to that.

Speaker 23 (55:00):
The pretense of communism, of course, was always that they
were going to create this better world. It was a
sort of universal ideal, an ideal that of course has
led to a lot of death and destruction, but an
ideal many people believed in. They thought inequality is wrong,
they thought it's not fair, that the rich have too
much and the poor have too little, and that some
people don't have enough to eat, and this idea that

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a vague version of this idea will always I think,
appeal particularly to younger people, you know, believe in whatever
the phrase social justice or equity. I mean, we know
that these words are loaded, but there's always some kind
of sympathy I think that people have for this idea,
Whereas Nazism is a little bit harder to defend because
it was a little more specific to one nation, to

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one race, and it seemed to be chauvinistic and aggressive
and was associated with military aggression. It was not something
that had a lot of admirers really across Europe. There
were Fascists, of course, but I meaning once Hitler was
defeated and of course committed suicide and basically it was
no longer there.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Nazism pretty much just died.

Speaker 23 (56:03):
It's not like there were I mean, people are always
saying their Nazis under your bed and so on, but
in fact Nasium has been basically dead and disappeared since
nineteen forty five. Communism, unfortunately, I think, in some form
or other, will always be with us, just because the
idea continues to appeal.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Let's define our terms, because I think that is one
of the struggles. What is communism, where does it come from?
And has it actually ever been fully implemented.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Well, it's a great question.

Speaker 23 (56:28):
There are certain almost dictionary definitions you could start with.
You could trot out the manifest of the Communist Party
authored by Marxian Engels back in eighteen forty eight, where
there's actually a program. They talk about things like the
abolition of private property and exchange and credit, the centralization
of industry, of banking, they called it credit.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
That was the word.

Speaker 23 (56:46):
They used, industrial armies for agriculture. The centralization of the
means of transport communication, which basically means the government controls,
the media, controls everything. Today it might be even broader
than that, might be the internet, or it might be
airplane travel.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
In that day would probably.

Speaker 23 (57:03):
Would be the main roads, the main railroads, the main
avenue communication. That is, government control of a large part
of the economy. And the destruction or eradication of private property.
In practice, most communist regimes tried to do this to
one extent or another. They actually would go out and
they would for example, nationalize the banks, which effectively meant nationalizing.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
People's bank accounts, often their private savings.

Speaker 23 (57:25):
I mean in Russia they actually had an agency devoted
to safe cracking, so they could crack into people's private
bank accounts. They would try to nationalize agriculture, they would
create these collective farms or state controlled farms.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
In practice, none of these regimes ever quite succeeded.

Speaker 23 (57:41):
The Soviets and the Chinese probably came closest or maybe
in an even more I think draconian and dark way,
the Khmer Rouge and Cambodian completely eradicating the private sector.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
But the fact is it's impossible to do that.

Speaker 23 (57:53):
Everyone would basically starve, and so you've always had some
variety of a black market or people trading on the
sly black markets appearing, and food stuffs and things like
used cars to grease.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
The wheels of the economy.

Speaker 23 (58:07):
Because without that, and this very nearly happened in RUSSI
in the early days after the revolution, the economy just
basically collapsed. By nineteen twenty one, you had mass famine,
you had an industrial collapse, manufacturing collapse. The economy just
basically didn't work. And so for a while in Russia,
amazingly in the twenties, they actually tried to bring back
what they called They called it a new economic policy,
but basically it was a kind of modified capitalism. They

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allowed people to buy and sell again, because without that
everyone would have again, they would have starved.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
The enduring take.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
That I get on campuses is what communism hasn't been tried.
As a historian, how do you then respond to that?
It's sort of true, but not really. It has been tried.
It absolutely has been tried. It just has never been achieved.
And so I suppose that's the kind of tricky.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Parts, right, it's never been realized.

Speaker 23 (58:53):
These you've never been realized because it can't be realized.
But it's definitely they always fail. They always fail in predictable,
reasonably similar ways. You get a collapse, particularly in things
like agricultural yields, productivity, you get shortages, you get famines.
Eventually you get even jokes about how hungry people are.
Most of the jokes that came out of Cuba and

(59:14):
the communist era, for example, had to do with food.
You know, essentially it would be something to the nature
of you know, walking skeletons or.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Problems.

Speaker 23 (59:27):
A school show would be asking, well, what are some
problems that the communist regime still tries to face, and
he would list a couple and he would say, like,
what do you think is the biggest problem. He would
say something like breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Basically just feeding people,
that would be the biggest problem. And then you would
get if they tried to nationalize the means of production,
that is to say, manufacturing industry, you would get again

(59:50):
inefficiency eventually get collapse because they would try to plan
it to the Other problem is you cannot plan an economy.
It's simply impossible. You try to plan every single thing
that people are gonna need over a period of months
or years, you get things wrong. There's simply no way
of predicting how many cars people will buy, how many
industrial inputs a certain industry will need. The only things

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that worked a little bit, and this is maybe a
slight exception of the rule, particularly in the Soviet era,
are things that they would produce for export. And that's because,
let's say, if you talk about the AK forty seven,
for example, famous Soviet export or MiG airplanes weapons Basically
because they traded those in the international market, they had
to work the market functioned to some extent, but at home,
if there's no market to function, the goods don't have

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about human nature that doesn't mix with communism?

Speaker 23 (01:03:54):
Well, I guess it's partly that people's needs are various,
and the other thing is that people want.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
This is just pretty basic.

Speaker 23 (01:04:00):
If you're going to consume something, if you're going to
buy a product or use it, you want that product
to work. And the way a market economy basically works
is that if your product is no good, people stop
buying it, so you have to either improve the product
or you go out of business. And the problem under
a planned communist economy is basically that there was no incentive.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
To either work harder.

Speaker 23 (01:04:23):
There was no real incentive to get higher wages because
wages were supposed to be centrally controlled. In practice, they
would give higher wages to skilled engineers and such, but
products would not be rejected by the market because there
was no market, and so you'd get shortages and you'd
get shoddy products.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
But I think.

Speaker 23 (01:04:39):
People's nature, the reason eventually would rub up against human
nature in a maybe more profound way, is that most people,
maybe some people do it. Most people don't like being
hectored and surveiled and controlled and told what to do.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
At least enough people don't that.

Speaker 23 (01:04:55):
Fortunately, most countries have been able to resist the lure
the temptation of commune in central planning.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Is communism inherently to talitarian.

Speaker 23 (01:05:04):
Not inherently in all cases, but it does tend in
that director.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Hasn't ever been to talitarian.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
That's a good question.

Speaker 23 (01:05:11):
I suppose the countries where communism was adopted with perhaps
the least conviction when it was imposed at the point
of a gun in Eastern Europe, for example, in Poland,
a good example of this because Communism was so unpopular
in Poland from the earliest days, because it was kind
of seen as a almost alien im position by the
conquering Soviet armies, by the Russians, who Poles generally had

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various reasons to resent and hate going back decades, if
not centuries.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
They didn't actually go as far as they did in
other countries.

Speaker 23 (01:05:39):
So agriculture, for example, private agriculture was to some extent
reluctantly tolerated. They did not go quite as far in
Poland as they might have done in other countries like Bulgaria,
for example, where the communist regime had a little bit
more legitimacy and popularity. It's a matter of degree, but
they all tended in the same general direction. You'd have
secret police, you'd have surve you'd have state control, you'd

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have planning, you'd have production targets. I mean, the Cold War,
one of the most fascinating things I had was even
the Olympics, which was this arena for Cold War superpower competition.
They even would give assignments to all their satellite countries,
what you're supposed to produce, what sports you're supposed to specialize,
and it all had to be planned from above. So
everything had to be planned and controlled. And the problem

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is most people would balk at that sort of thing.
It's just against human nature to constantly be surveiled and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Told what to do.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
I have a question on that and saying, why do
the regimes end up so incredibly violent and so cavalier
about human lives?

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Well, there have been a lot.

Speaker 23 (01:06:38):
Of sympathizers who always say that there's nothing inherently violent
in socialism or communism, And my main response to that is,
you have to read the source texts. You have to
actually go back and see what Marx was saying, see
what some of Marx's own influences were saying. Somebody like
Gracus Babuf, who launched the so called conspiracy equals in
the French Revolution which inspired Marx, was quite open about

(01:06:59):
the that you would have to put class enemies and
counter revolutionaries to death. Marx was quite open about this.
He talked about, for example, from his political career. After
the Franco Prussian War of eighteen seventy seventy one, there
was this brief period in Paris called the Commune, which
maybe wasn't the perfectly communist for.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Jame, but it didn't.

Speaker 23 (01:07:17):
It didn't last long, and it went down in this
horrendous blaze of violence when you had a number of
bourgeois hostages, including the archbishop of Parish, were executed publicly.
A number of women and children were killed in the battle,
and a lot of people told Marx, you should distance
yourself from this.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
He didn't.

Speaker 23 (01:07:37):
He went the other way. He embraced it, he justified it.
This is then cited by Lenin. During the First World War,
a lot of other people were really recoiling from the
horrendous violence in the trenches.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Lenin wanted more of it.

Speaker 23 (01:07:48):
He wrote this thing called the Military Program of the
Proletarian Revolution, and he said, no, Marx taught us this,
that arson is a legitimate tool of war, taking hostages,
all of these are legitimate things. Class war. We need
to kill people. The violence is an inherent part of
the project. In fact, civil war. This was his phrase.
You have to turn the imperialist war into a civil war.

(01:08:09):
And then once you've achieved communism in one country, that
country will be effectively opposed to all of the other
non communist countries, so it will be in a state
of war with them. So you get a kind of
wave of civil wars and interstate wars engulfing the earth.
And he was not saying this is what I hope
won't happen. He was saying, this is what has to happen.
This is what must happen.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
There maybe have been a.

Speaker 23 (01:08:32):
Lot of sympathized who shy away from the violence, but
I honestly think if you look at the evidence, a
lot of people who either joined parties or joined front committees,
or sympathized with communism, or spoke on behalf or defended
the Soviet Union. For a lot of them, the violence
was actually part of the appeal, a kind of a
romance of political violence.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
This is it rooted in resentment.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
There's definitely an element to this.

Speaker 23 (01:08:56):
Communists in nearly every country where they succeeded in grab
with the regime and then eventually seizing power would usually,
of course, by necessity, to have to put the arms
in the hands of a lot of angry on people,
usually young men, sometimes women as well. And while some
of them were intellectuals, the party leaders were usually intellectuals
a lot of the foot soldiers.

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Speaker 23 (01:13:39):
Sometimes they would literally just empty the prisons. They did
this after the Russian Revolution. Sometimes they would recruit former
soldiers who were already alienated or disaffected, or already had
kind of acquired a taste for violence. The real muscle.
In for example, the Bolshevik Revolution read October of nineteen
seventeen actually came from either deserters from the arm or

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people in the Russian Navy or in the Russian Army.
The so called Red Guards were mostly actually some of
them came from factories. Most of them actually came from
the army. And that's actually where Lenin got most of
his critical support from. So they might be disaffected, they
might be unemployed, they might be veterans, they might be deserters,
they might be criminals being let out of prison.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
But yes, they're not generally the halves yet.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
So here's an interesting quote.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
What is it about Russia when communism was popping up?
I believe there was a failed communist revolution like nineteen
oh eight or something.

Speaker 23 (01:14:32):
Right, So nineteen five was the first revolution which succeeded
in some wizzled out, it fizzled out, right.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
What is it about what was happening in Russia at
the time that made the what nineteen seventeen revolution successful?

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Mostly it was the First World War?

Speaker 23 (01:14:51):
So, and this is where Lenin develops a theory which
actually helps to explain how and why communists would later succeed.
It was that in most countries there are kind of
defenses against this sort of thing. Now you get your
violent activists, but eventually the police might crack down. In Russia,
it was the disruption of the war, the fact that

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millions of men were mobilized into the armies. There was
obviously some war weariness, but mostly it was that Lenin
actually propagandized the armies. A lot of other socialists and
communists were a little more naive about this, you know.
They thought you could convince people eventually through education or
the ballot box or reason or.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Something like that.

Speaker 23 (01:15:31):
They also thought the war was a bad thing, a
lot of them, not all of them, and so they
thought you should, for example, maybe tell people to resist
the draft. London said, no, you don't resist the draft.
You infiltrate the armies. You turn them read you propaganda infiltration.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
Philosopher and communists thought Olenski was very big into this.

Speaker 23 (01:15:48):
Yes, well, I mean he was the first to really
systematize it, but it was always there in a latent sense,
the anthem of international socialism. Ujen Pontier's Internacionale. The main
theme is actually about a mutiny, so it's about an
army mutiny. And this is basically what happens in Russia
nineteen seventeen. It's like a gigantic mutiny in the Russian
armies that Lenin the Communists pushed along for their own purposes.

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
Wasn't it a relatively small group of people, And if
I'm not mistaken, the Czar actually like shouldn't have surrendered,
Like the rebellion could have been thwarted.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Well.

Speaker 23 (01:16:19):
The February Revolution, which is separate from the October one,
is one where the Tsar probably could have intervened, and
he nearly did. He actually did issue orders for loyal
frontline troops to go to Petrograd and suppress the revolution.
He was talked out of it by his generals, who
were getting bad advice from these liberal politicians.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
The advantage they.

Speaker 23 (01:16:37):
Did, and the Bolsheviks at that time were still relatively week.
Lenin's in Switzerland, He's not even in Russia at the time.
He's barely metal, or he wasn't curiously enough, he spent
a lot of nineteen seventeen with warrants for his arrest
plastered all over Russia because he participated in a couple
of failed pushes before the final one that succeeded, But
you're absolutely right. They were a minority party in the

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only real elections Russia had nineteen he's seventeen. They had
made inroads, and we have to give them some credit.
Just politically, Lenin's mutinies and his kind of message of
ending the imperialist war, even though people didn't realize that
meant he was going to promote civil war instead. They
eventually got nearly twenty four percent of the vote. The
party was much smaller that the hard core of the party.

(01:17:18):
That was part of his philosophy. It was called vanguardism.
You had to have this hard core of this elite
of professional revolutionaries, so you didn't need to convince everyone.
You didn't need to mobilize everyone. What you had to
do was have this kind of hardcore of vanguard elites
who were they were more like full time revolutionaries. They're
actually put on salary in many cases because that was
the way of ensuring that they were fully devoted to

(01:17:40):
the revolution. You know, you then needed the muscle, though,
you need the foot soldiers. And Lenin approached politics he
was actually reading Klousowitz. It's very much about force. Basically,
you had to have superior force They would literally count
up like how many men do we have under arms?

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
And how many men do or enemies have under arms?

Speaker 23 (01:17:54):
You know, there's this very almost reductionist element to communist
philosophy becames to politics and violence. Stalin would later famously say,
asked about the pope and his possible influence, well, how
many divisions does the Vatican have? They're very very crude
and reductionist in this way that they actually did literally
see it as you have to overwhelm your enemies by force.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
It's not really about persuasion.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
Yeah, power politics is at the core of communism. When
when Russia fell victim to this communist revolution, were they
a Christian nation overwhelming or that was the polity Christian?

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Yes?

Speaker 23 (01:18:29):
Absolutely? How did that work? That's always something I don't understand.
How did a Christian nation embrace Well, it's a difficult
question to answer. There are different ways of looking at it.
Some historians, and they don't usually tend to be Russians,
have proposed that there was something in the Russian Orthodox
Church that had always been a bit friendlier to state

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power than either the Catholic strained or the Protestant strains
of Christianity, and.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
It just thrown to the Czarist regime.

Speaker 23 (01:18:55):
The state played a huge and powerful role, Peter the
Great for example, actually all the patriarchate. It came back,
oddly enough after the Russian Revolution, only to then come
under the thumb really of the Communists and the KGB.
There are a lot of Russians who find this offensive,
a lot of Russians who say, no, look are real traditions,
the Christian one, Marxism, Communism was this kind.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Of alien atheistic import And it's true.

Speaker 23 (01:19:18):
The Communists would go into churches and they would they
would have these ceremonies, or they would expose old bones
and say, look, these are relics, these aren't real. They
would erect museums of atheism. So it was the world's
first atheist virginal.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
That's what I'm trying to understand, and I've never heard
anyone explain it as well as you did. That in
order for a revolution to be successful, allegedly have to
win over the polity, right, was that what happened in
Russia or was it a small vanguard that kind of
took the whole nation hostage.

Speaker 23 (01:19:45):
They did win over enough people so that the regime
plurality or a majority. Well as far as an electoral majority.
It's hard to say they did, because we just don't
have the evidence. But obviously a lot of their enemies
and opponents were either killed off or fled Russian immigration,
the emigres, and they were able to propagandize, particularly the
younger generation.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
So they would have these.

Speaker 23 (01:20:04):
Things like the pioneers and the constable to indoctrinate people
into the faith. And they did ape or even mimic
some elements of the old Russian Christian tradition, the icons
for example, that Russians would traditionally have over their mental piece.
Instead you would have, of course, images of the new
sacred figures. Lenin later Stalin, so that there was a

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way in which they Stalin in particular because he actually
did have a background in seminary training, and so he
had some notion of how the people needed this kind
of religion. So they created almost a new religion, the
religion of communism.

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
What was is there any credence to this idea that
the Tsars mishandled the agrarian to industrial transition and this
opened up the Communists with an opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
To strike well.

Speaker 23 (01:20:50):
Land reform was the great question of late Tsarist politics
in Russia. It was an extremely difficult question served and
endured right up to the eighteen sixties Russians life. To
remind Americans, serfdom was abolished one year before the Emancipation
Proclamation of the United States, which is true, but they
didn't really sort the problems out right away, although one
could say, of course, it took a while for us

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to sort out our own problems.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
Here.

Speaker 23 (01:21:13):
They couldn't quite figure out, for example, did the serfs
have to buy their freedom? Where they taking out a mortgage,
where they owned certain they owed certain payments to their
former lords. Did we want to turn them into these
kind of entrepreneurial peasant capitalists. The one great figure who
tried to solve this problem Pyotr Stalipin, and this in

(01:21:34):
the first decade of the nineteen hundreds. He did actually
put forward some far reaching reforms, not quite the same
thing as maybe the Homestead Act in the US, but
it was kind of a similar idea.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
You would give peasants credit. They had a peasants land bank.

Speaker 23 (01:21:46):
They were trying to allow them to set out for
some of the virgin lands of western Siberia, to basically
create these kind of almost pioneering type homesteads.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
And it was starting to work.

Speaker 23 (01:21:57):
There was some evidence that it was working. Fortunately, Stalepin
had warned that for this program to work and for
Russia to modernize and enter the modern age, she needed peace.
And that's why the First World War was so critical.
He said this, and I think nineteen nine, give us
twenty years of peace and you won't recognize the country
that will be able to not solve all problems, but

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resolve some of the tensions. The peasants would then become
a little bit more of a bulwark of conservatism as
they were viewed in some countries.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
In Russia, they weren't.

Speaker 23 (01:22:26):
Oddly enough, in Russia, there was kind of a strain
of almost this agrarian radicalism that would sometimes dfl yeah,
a little bit like this with they had this thing
called a commune where they would divide land up according
to need, and then every so often they would just
get these skies swinging revolts where the peasants would go
around and burn manor houses.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Stalepin wanted to turn the.

Speaker 23 (01:22:45):
Peasants into stolid, kind of middle class citizens, subjects still
probably because you had monarchy, but basically subjects who would
support the regime the First World War which broke out
nineteen fourteen, and Stalepin unfortunately was also assassinated in nineteen eleven,
so that cut off a lot of these possible paths
that might have led to a really a more humane

(01:23:06):
and I think also a more prosperous Russia.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
Which it's just an amazing thing. I mean, you've written
about it.

Speaker 23 (01:23:11):
How a great power like Russia this was Communist's biggest
get to date. Is that fair to say that this
was the biggest accomplishment of the ideology?

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
Well? Sure, and one can go further.

Speaker 23 (01:23:22):
I mean to kind of bring this story up to
Stalin and say that the greatest boast than any Communist
regime has ever had is that Stalin allegedly industrialized the
country and then of course defeated Nazi Germany.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
In the war.

Speaker 23 (01:23:34):
How do you respond to that, Well, this is the thing.
There are some elements of the story. There's just enough
truth in it that you could see why people have
made this argument ever since, and why the Russian government
to this day still views the victory and what they
call the Great Patriotic War as kind of the glue
the origin story to some extent of their mythology.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
It's the core mythology of their existence. Right. A number
of problems of this.

Speaker 23 (01:23:57):
First of all, Russia was rapidly industrializing before for the
First World War, with growth rates approaching ten percent, and
so not unlike China in recent years. Even if there
might be some holes in the economy we haven't been
told of. There are all these headlines about the stupendous
growth rates that was the Russian story before nineteen fourteen.
The Germans, for example, were not worried about the growth

(01:24:17):
of Russian power in nineteen forty. This is part of
the backstory of the First World War because Russia was
a pigmy. No, it was because they thought she was
a colossus, because she was the world's leading exporter of
grain in nineteen eleven nineteen twelve, for example. So a
lot of the background of the story where the communists
is saying we were the first to modernize Russia is
just not true. In fact, the Russian economy, of course
suffered like all other ones did from the First World War,

(01:24:39):
from inflation, and then of course from the collapse at
the end, and then from communism even more.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
When they did begin to industrialize Russia.

Speaker 23 (01:24:46):
When Stalin went back on the offensive, they had to
retreat for a while in the twenties again because the
economy collapsed.

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Speaker 23 (01:28:43):
When Stalin did go back on this kind of mass
mobilization drive the arms build up the five year plans
launched or backdated in nineteen twenty eight, they relied a
lot on imported machinery expertise, engineers. A couple of great
examples of this. The collective farm or state farm Macacaus,
almost like the emblematic institution of Soviet communism in the

(01:29:06):
early nineteen thirties, was actually based on the wheat King
of Montana, Thomas Campbell, and it appealed to Stalin mostly
because it was basically the world's largest farm ninety five
thousand acres or something. A lot of the factories were
not only designed, but often they were direct copies of
those in the United States. It was the Arthur McKee

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Corporation that designed Magnita Gorsk, like the world's largest steel town.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
A lot of the patents were bought.

Speaker 23 (01:29:34):
Even the famous T thirty four tank was actually based
on a US patent design, the Christie suspension engine. And then,
of course, if you bring the story through the thirties,
there's a lot of important technology from Europe, from Germany,
the Molotov fripintrup packed. The Soviets were buying up all
kinds of blueprints and designs from the Germans actually weren't
buying they were sort of just acquiring men by trading

(01:29:54):
raw materials. And then the Lendley story, which is one
of the big themes I talk about in Stalin's wear.
What's really amazing about this is that for a while
in the thirties, what the Soviets were doing, sometimes they
would do it. You know, they would actually pay for
something like the design for the Christie suspension they used
for the T thirty four tank. Sometimes they would use spies,
so they infiltrated the US aviation industry. They had a

(01:30:15):
team of almost thirty spies working in American universities and
aviation plants Douglas Aircraft California, Bell Aircraft in Buffalo, New York,
and they actually copied and then it ended up kind
of either stealing or adapting or reverse engineering a lot
of American designs after the US entered well even before
the US entered the war in nineteen forty one. After

(01:30:36):
Hitler turned on Stalin and vaded the Soviet Union in
June forty one, they didn't have to spy anymore because
the Roosevelt administration just gave them everything. They literally would
just let Soviet engineers tour around American factories, taking notes,
taking photographs. Oftentimes they would just ask for things. It's
an amazing aspect of the story. They were actually given
the same requisition forms used by the US Army, and

(01:30:59):
in fact they were often put at the front of
the line. The Arcadia Declaration. This is right after Pearl Harbor.
Roosevelt sort of bullied Churchill and do agree with us
Churchill like the focus on Europe, but the secondary part
that is Germany first. The secondary part was that the
number one priority of the US, Roosevelt declared in the
wake of Pearl Harbor, was assistance to Russia's offensive by

(01:31:19):
all available means, Meaning our number one priority was not
defeating Japan, was not even fighting Germany ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
It was supplying the Russian.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Army creating the Cold War.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Yeah, basically yes, arming our future opponents in the Cold War.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
I have a side note question that I actually I
wouldn't be able to answer. Someone ask me, why did
Hitler turn on Stalin?

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
That's a great question, and I'm glad you asked.

Speaker 23 (01:31:41):
I think that the most interesting archival revelation in Stalin's
were Although I did a lot of work in this
the Russian archives and this so archives, my favorite sort
of archivalry fined, believe it or not, was in the
Bulgarian archives.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
And this is when I and you like we're in
like the yeah right, and so so.

Speaker 23 (01:32:01):
Hitler unloaded in one of his famous sort of rants
or tirades on the Bulgarian minister to Berlin, a guy
called Parvin.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
I'm gonna Butcher's last name, but anyway.

Speaker 23 (01:32:11):
So the Bulgarian administer to Berlin one of these tirades.
The reason he was angry was because Molotov, the same
one whould sign the Mulatov rippintro Pact, where Hitler and
Stalin had, of course carved up Eastern Europe into spheres
of influence. They had agreed jointly to invade and carve
up Poland together. The Soviets were given these spheres of influence.
They had to actually split the difference on Lithuania. Lithuania

(01:32:33):
was first supposed to be in the German sphere, then
it was given to Stalin. Stalin had supposedly the position
of influence in Finland.

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