The Charlie Kirk Show, March 25, 2025

Commentary on Signal group chat, security breach, Wisconsin elections, the Democrat party, illegal immigration, gangs, terrorism, and federal funding.  

Guests: Sen. Ron Johnson, Ryan James Girdusky, and Tom Homan

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ications.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
If that's the case, why were you discussing these issues
on signal?

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Senator?

Speaker 4 (00:10):
Signal use, as I've said repeatedly, is permissible for work purposes.
I've never said that, and encryption apps like Signal are
a substitute for classified systems, and I was not discussing
classified information in this in this setting.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
But as you've indicated previously, perhaps a secret defense with
discussing classified information, and only he can be held accountable
in terms of whether it was classified or declassified at
the point he spoke, Is that accurate?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Well, I didn't say it that way.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
I said the Secretary of Defense is the original classification authority,
and my understanding is that his comments are that any
information that he shared was not.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Classified, but you have no way to verify that.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Again, this is a very troubling example and a great
lapse in our intelligence center discussion. One further point, if
you are not aware of any classicied information on the
discussions back and forth, would be appropriate for the author

(01:22):
to release the entire text.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Of what he heard or to describe.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
I think the author has released, my understanding, essentially almost
all of the information as it's been related to me.
I don't know what calculation the author made with regard
to what information would be released or not. Well, again,
I can again confirm that with respect to the communications

(01:51):
that were related as to me, there was no classified information.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
According to the article quote, the message contained information that
might be interpreted as related to actual and current intelligence operations,
and the author did not disclose that information. So the
question would be if he disclosed everything you heard, in
your view.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
That wouldn't be classified information. I know the context of
what that is, and I think the author said might
be interpreted as related to intelligence information. It was not
classified information.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
It goes back to my point.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
If you released all this information he did not release,
he could do so without any liability at the federal level.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
I think you're asking for a legal, legal answer, and
I'm not able to give you.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
But mister Bedell, can you opine you're a lawyer and
you're director of the FBI. Would he face any legal
liability if he released the information because.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Of the questions you and the vice chairman if put
to me, I'm not going to prejudge the situation, and
that legal call is ultimately for the Department of Justice.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Thank you, Thank you very much for the chairman center
us off.

Speaker 6 (02:58):
Thank you, mister chairman, and and thank you all for
joining us and for your service. Just to make sure
I understand some of the basics here, So, Director Radcliffe,
you were a member.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Of the who DPC small Group signal chain. Correct.

Speaker 6 (03:09):
I was, yeah, and so were the Vice President, the
Secretaries of State and Defense, the National Security Advisor, and
Miss Gabbert.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
I believe so. I don't have a list of who
was invited to.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Be, and so was National political reporter Jeffrey Goldberg. Correct.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
I don't know that, Yes you do.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
I don't know Jeffrey Goldberg, and I've already testified. I
don't know whether or how he was added.

Speaker 6 (03:37):
Okay, Well, he was a member of the signal chain
and the discussion included the Vice president's private opinion on
the wisdom of proposed US.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Strikes and Yemen.

Speaker 7 (03:44):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (03:46):
I don't recall vance quote. I think we are making
a mistake. I am not sure the President is aware
of how inconsistent this is with his message on Europe
right now, there was a strong argument for delaying this
a month.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
You don't recall as you don't recall seeing that read that.

Speaker 6 (04:06):
I don't it included the private opinions of the Secretary
of Defense on the timing of strikes in Yemen. Correct,
I don't recall Director Ratcliffe. Surely you prepared for this
hearing today. You are part of a group of principles
senior echelons of the US government, and now a widely
publicized breach of sensitive information. You don't recall whether the

(04:29):
Vice President opined on the wisdom of the strikes.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
That's your testimony today under oath.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
In that setting, I don't recall.

Speaker 6 (04:36):
Here's what Secretary hecxcept said. Quote waiting a few weeks
or months does not fundamentally change the calculus. Two immediate
risks on waiting. One this leaks and we look indecisive
to Israel takes an action first, or Gaza cease fire
falls apart and we don't get to start this on
our own terms your testimonies, you don't recall the Secretary
of Defense sending that message or reading it.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
I recall there being an exchange. I don't recall the
specifics as you're reading it.

Speaker 6 (05:04):
Well, let's put it this way direct directly, if a
discussion by senior US officials on the timing and risks
of a proposed military campaign, and disagreements between the President
and the Vice president about US plans and intentions would
be of obvious interest to foreign intelligence services, would it not? Yes,

(05:27):
And they were discussing the timing of sending US air
crews into enemy airspace where they faced an air defense threat.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
I'm going to centertor defer to the other principles that
you're to about what the meaning and the context of what.

Speaker 6 (05:50):
We're talking about the timing of US air strikes correct? Yes, Yes,
and therefore the timing of sending US air crews into
hostile airspace.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (06:03):
Yes, and therefore the time period during which enemy air
defenses could target US air crews flying in enemy airspace.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
I don't know that you do know that.

Speaker 6 (06:13):
Let me ask this question, General Hawk, you lead America's
signals intelligence collection. Would the private deliberation of foreign senior
officials about the wisdom and timing of potential military action
be a collection priority for you and the US intelligence
community center.

Speaker 8 (06:34):
It's our job to do indications and warning for both
the plans and intentions of adversary leaders and for military commanders.

Speaker 6 (06:44):
And would not information about the timing of air strikes
allow a military to preposition or queue air defense systems
to shoot down enemy aircraft.

Speaker 8 (07:02):
I think, Senator, from our perspective, any any advance warning
is something that we certainly are trying to protect.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Director directlift, this was a huge mistake.

Speaker 6 (07:16):
Correct, No, a national no, no, No, Director asked no question,
and now you'll hold on A national political reporter.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Was made privy.

Speaker 6 (07:35):
Sensitive information about military operations a foreign.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Terrorist of adding a reporter.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
And that wasn't a huge mistake. That wasn't a huge mistake.

Speaker 6 (07:45):
I think they characterized the embarrassment. This is utterly unprofessional.
There's been no apology, there has been no recognition of
the gravity of this error. And by the way, we
will get the full transcript of this chain and your
testimony will be measured carefully against its content.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Thank you, mister Chairman.

Speaker 9 (08:08):
I thank the witnesses again for their appearents today. I
sense the Vice Chairman has something to add I do,
so I will recognize him briefly.

Speaker 10 (08:18):
Well again, I think the witnesses, but what you're saying
doesn't make sense on the face of it. Every knows,
at least Director Radcliffe, you had the courtesy of acknowledging
you were on the chain. Director Gabbard wouldn't even touch that,
even though we've got our initials. And if you want

(08:38):
to comparison, think back to the beginning of the Ukraine
War when the United States, in concert with our then
ally the United Kingdom to classified a lot of Putin's
battle plans that allowed the Ukrainians to push back success

(09:00):
on the Russian innovation. How was that that was gone
through a real process of classification. The senaer ossoff So
clearly made the point this information out potentially where our
adversary could reposition its defenses. In the unwillingness of the
individuals on this panel who were on the chat to

(09:22):
even apologize with acknowledging what a Colosso screw up this is.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Speaks Williams.

Speaker 9 (09:32):
Thank you to our witnesses for your appearance. A few
administrative matters. As I mentioned earlier, Senator Collins is under
the weather. She regrets that she couldnot be here for
your testimony. Senator Rish likewise had to preside over hearing
of the Foreign Relations Committee to include the nomination of
my former governor Micah could be a great American and

(09:53):
a great friend of Israel to be the next ambassador
to Israel. He also regrets that he could not be here.
I anticipate he may have written questions as well. I
would urge you all to respond to those promptly.

Speaker 11 (10:05):
Now.

Speaker 9 (10:06):
The audience will remain seated while our witnesses and their
aids depart the hearing room. The Capitol Police will ensure
this occurs. I want to command the Capitol Police and
our committee security staff are running an orderly hearing today
for the benefit of members. The vote on the floor
has been called. We will adjourn this open hearing and

(10:29):
we will reconvene in closed setting at twelve forty pm.
The hearing is adjourned.

Speaker 12 (10:39):
That was a Center Intelligence Committee talking about that text
chain that was sent there earlier this week, or actually
was sent a while ago, involving several top administration officials.
It's a story that will continue to talk about throughout
the day here on Real America's Voice. But for now,
let's get you back to the Charlie Kirkshaw, which is
already in progress.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
This has been a line special report. We now join
our programming already in progress.

Speaker 7 (11:04):
A couple emojis here from Michael Waltz saying the team
in mar A Lago did a great job as well.
Great work all powerful start and the name of the
group chat was the HUTI PC Small Group. Now, how
on earth did we learn about this? On signal? You

(11:26):
are able to add people to your group chat. On signal,
you're able to allow other people to come in. You
can invite them. National Security advisor Michael Waltz invited the
editor in chief of the Trump hating Atlantic magazine, mister Goldberg,

(11:49):
into the group chat to go have a window into
all of these private national security conversations. Now, before I
go deeper into the element of this, I do want
to make sure that we are clear about what we've
just read. What you've read is that both privately and publicly,

(12:10):
there is symmetry with the national security attitudes that our
foreign policy leaders have that there is not a private
loathing for the America First policy perspective that they ran

(12:31):
on what jd Vance believes publicly, he also believes in
privately what Pete Hegseth has been saying publicly. He also
believes behind closed doors, they aren't plotting how to make
Elon Musk money. We saw the Trump administration was telling

(12:51):
the truth about what they care about This is exactly
how I'd expect them to speak, both publicly and privately.
They aren't plotted about how to get five points of
approval without caring about the outcome. It is raw, It's authentic. Now,
how Jeffrey Goldberg got added is likely because Mike Waltz

(13:14):
wanted to add the US Trade Representative Jamison Greer and
had the same initials. Now, allow me to editorialize for
a second. I know Mike Waltz. We disagree on a
lot of foreign policy stuff. There's a serious question as
to why Mike Waltz has Jeffrey Goldberg as a saved

(13:36):
signal contact to very serious question. He's the editor in
chief of a Trump hating magazine, you are a national
security advisor. You've obviously been dialoguing or talking to him previously.
Is Michael Waltz leaking to Jeffrey Goldberg? I certainly hope not.
We know Jeffrey Goldberg has pushed some of the greatest

(13:57):
anti Trump bs in years past. This is not a
friendly or a remotely friendly reporter. This is a major
screw up. There is no other way to put it.
And the screw up is allowing this guy to be
put in and Michael Wall's doing that. And by the way,

(14:17):
when you have presidencies and administrations like this, you're gonna
have little hiccups and you're going to have speed bumps.
The best way is just to take responsibility, confront it
head on and say it was a glitch. It shouldn't
have happened. It was a near miss in the sense
that it could have been way worse what Jeffrey Goldberg
got his eyes on. It could have been way worse

(14:38):
what he got read into and was not supposed to
be read into. Now some people are saying, oh, this
was intentional, that they let Jeffrey Goldberg in. None of
that is true. Let's be honest. That is a bunch
of bs. There are people in and out, inside and
outside the White House calling for heads to roll over this.
This was not some sort of intentional Let's allow the

(15:00):
head of the Trump hating Atlantic magazine to have a
window into our signal group chat. So situations like this
happen throughout presidencies where things are going a certain way
and you have a little bit of a mix up,
you have a little bit of a leak. How you
handle it is everything. But there are some serious questions though,

(15:23):
But you know who does not have to answer questions
Pete Hegseth and Jade Vance, because if Pete hegg Seth
and Jade Vance were articulating in this group chat was
an America First policy perspective behind closed doors that when
you are not seeing the conversations, they're still fighting for
the country and saying these Europeans are pathetic. Could you
imagine if we had a chat. Do you know what

(15:43):
a real scandal would be, a real scandal would be
if we had JD. Vans and Pete Hegseth saying, yeah,
we have to kind of save face with our base,
but the Europeans are actually awesome. But let's pretend that
we're tough on Europe. Could you imagine that would be
an actual scandal. A real scandal would be our leaders

(16:04):
saying one thing to voters and doing a completely different
thing behind closed doors. In reality, we just happen to
see that behind closed doors they're doing everything they said
they were going to do. We never should have had
that window into closed doors, because you don't add the
editor in chief of the Atlantic magazine to your group chats.

(16:28):
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Email us freedom at Charliekirk dot com. So I have
one more thought that I want to go into a
thought exercise regarding this situation. I was not overly surprised
by the elements of this story because we have a
hyper online administration Pete Hegseth, jd Vance. They are on
the younger of the continue and the spectrum. My generation,

(19:20):
I'm thirty one. Jd Vance is about forty Pete Hegseth,
I think is late forties. We do a lot of
our communication on signal, on telegram, on WhatsApp, and on
group messages. The team is moving very very fast. Now
in the future, these situations should be happening in skiffs,
and it is the National Security Advisor's job to even

(19:44):
reign in cabinet officials and say, Nope, we can't be
having this conversation here, can't be doing this. Let's go
to a skiff, Let's go to a secure conference line. However,
understand that a lot of government and a lot of
corporate America, and a lot of high stakes to vision
making is occurring in secured group chats, the reason being

(20:04):
it's far more efficient to have a group chat with
twenty people and they can chime in at their time,
at their own time, the likelihood of their own timing,
the own choosing at their own convenience, then having a
conference call where everyone has to be there at the

(20:25):
same time, and then almost nothing gets done. Not defending
the elements here, but conference calls are literally hell on Earth.
It is where bureaucrats go to waste time. A group
chat is far more efficient. You can have a very
substantive back and forth and discussion on hopefully non classified,
non military matters on a group chat than you can't

(20:51):
having a conference call. Well, and what do you think?
And what do you think? Now, let's be serious. How
bad was this screw up? Well, we accidentally gave some
details about bomb strikes and terrorist group that we were
publicly talking about doing. This wasn't the operation to kill
Bin Lauden. It wasn't an invasion of Iran, which hopefully

(21:12):
will never happen. It was airstrikes on a militant group.
It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing for Mike Waltz and President Trump
says that he's learned his lesson and that he's a
good man. It's President Trump's call. That's breaking news right here.
But embarrassing is very different from destructive. Now, let's compare

(21:33):
that to some of the other flubs our DC military
intelligence elite have cooked up. What is worse accidentally having
a journalist in your Houti strike chat or pushing fake
intelligence to justify invading Iraq. By the way, you know
who helped push that intelligence and argued for US to
invade Iraq? Jeffrey Goldberg, the reporter in this group chat.

(21:55):
What's worse a signal group chat? Or lying about making
progress in Afghanistan while we spent over a trillion dollars
to achieve absolutely nothing, then batching the evacuation so we
lost billions in equipment and more than a dozen American lives.
What's worse this chat? Or overthrowing the government of Libya
causing a decade long civil war and humanitarian crisis. Let's

(22:19):
look beyond the defense issues. What's worse this group chat?
Or letting tens of millions of people over the border.
What's worse this chat? Or Democrat mayors sheltering criminals and gangbangers.
If you are watching the mainstream media right now, you
are being subjected to propaganda. The people who led America

(22:40):
into one gigantic disaster after another are trying to convince
you that you are relatively your relatively mild embarrassment is
the worst scandal ever. And let's also reiterate the group
chat itself, despite the fact that Jeffrey Goldberg got invited,
actually show a highly competent dialogue amongst people that weighed

(23:05):
all the options related to a military strike. They are
going about the use of American force with prudence, with wisdom,
with humility, with sobriety, not with a lustful zeal for
blood and conquest. In perfect alignment with their public commentary,

(23:28):
the way that Jade Vance and Pete Hagseth talked about
the use of American force should give you confidence that
we are not going to go to a thermonuclear war
with Russia. Should give you confidence that they go about
the use of American missiles and American intervention with a
serious degree of weight, that it is not something that
is thrown around like a frisbee. It's not like George W.

(23:50):
Bush who wakes up another day and wants to invade
another sovereign nation. If John Bolton would have been on
this group chat, he would have said, this is a
waste of time. We should have marines invade Yemen instead.
Through a collaborative discussion, we now got an exclusive window,
the likes of which we may never see again, that
we have not seen for forever into the foreign policy

(24:14):
calculus of this new administration, and hopefully we never see
it again. We got a little bit of a sneak
peek into the mindset and embarrassment aside, it actually shows
that we're in very capable hands as to how these
decisions are being made, who is making them, and them
weighing the potential costs of US involvement in a backwards way.

(24:39):
It's actually awfully reassuring. We'll be right back.

Speaker 12 (24:51):
Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break.

Speaker 14 (24:54):
I'm Terrence Bates.

Speaker 12 (24:55):
White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt is out with the
statement right now, seeking to clear the record about what
appears to be a potential national security breach involving top
Trump administration officials. It all centers around a text exchange
on the messaging app Signal that reportedly included details about
an upcoming attack on Houthy rebels and Yemen. The White

(25:16):
House is refuting that reporting, saying in part, no war
plans were discussed and no classified material was sent to
the thread. Levitt also confirms the White House Counsel's Office
has provided guidance on a number of different platforms for
President Trump's top officials to communicate as safely and efficiently
as possible. In the meantime, several of the administration officials

(25:39):
who were on that text chain spent the morning being
dressed down before the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Speaker 14 (25:44):
Despite the White House's.

Speaker 12 (25:46):
Claim that no war plans were discussed, senators seemed to
be able to determine that that was not the case.
Plus those involved confirmed the editor in chief of Atlantic
magazine was included on the text chain and no one noticed.

Speaker 14 (26:01):
If this was the case.

Speaker 11 (26:05):
A military officer.

Speaker 10 (26:09):
Or an intelligence officer and they had this kind of behavior,
they would be fired. As I think this is one
more example of the kind of slumpy, careless, incompetent behavior,
particularly towards classified information. That this is not a one

(26:30):
off or a first time error.

Speaker 12 (26:33):
All of the information was reportedly laid out on the
messaging app. Signal Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, along with
Secretary of State Mark or Rubio and Director of National
Intelligence Telsey Gabbert were reportedly on that thread. The National
Security Council is now looking into the potential breach, and
just four days after President Trump signed his executive order

(26:53):
starting the process to dismantle the Department of Education, teachers, unions,
and civil rights organizations are suing over that move. Monday's
lawsuit argues that the DOE quote is charged with is
charged exceeding by Congress with advancing educational opportunity and quality.
That's a quick chick of your headlines. I'm Terrence Bates.

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Well, Charlie, and then you know, thank you for all
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Speaker 11 (29:31):
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So talk about how the far left is mobilizing and
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Please, twenty twenty In their data, people who didn't vote,
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Ris actually increased her support. And you know, that's really

(31:26):
the story of the selection is that, you know, people
who follow news really closely, who get their news from
traditional media, who like say that politics is an important
part of their identity, they became more Democratic in absolute terms.

Speaker 7 (31:40):
So what they're saying here, and that last one, that's
David Shore, who had a great conversation as reclined two
left these but very thoughtful Senator. What he was saying
there at the end is the most astute point when
it comes to the Supreme Court race. He says, those
that have politics as part of their identity tend to
be more Democrat. Well, Senator, people who have politics part

(32:00):
of their identity are more likely to vote in a
spring off your election for Supreme Court race. Therefore, our
side must drive turnout of low propensity voters. Senator, Yeah,
that's true.

Speaker 15 (32:12):
Conservatives, we don't want to deal government. We want to
we want to live our lives, we want to go
to work, we want to provide for our.

Speaker 11 (32:20):
Families, whereas leftists and they want to. They want power.

Speaker 15 (32:24):
They get powered by winning elections, you know, by governing
and imposing their ideology, Honus. So again, we need to
wake up everybody who voted for President Trump. Let them
understand what's at stake here on April first, and get
out and vote. I mean, if every Trump voter voted
for Brad Schimmel, we would run away with this race.
But again, in the last Supreme Court race, our Canada

(32:46):
only got eight hundred thousand votes versus President Trump's one
point seven. And of course the left the last time
turn that Wiscons's Supreme Court race into the most expensive
elected judicial race in history.

Speaker 11 (32:58):
This race is going to out, is going to top that.

Speaker 15 (33:02):
It's just grotesque amount the amount of money the left
throws of these things. Good news is we've got supporters
on our side now that are trying to match those totals.
But even better news as we've got organizations like yours
that realize the way you really win is not running
millions and millions of dollars of ads. That's important, you
gotta do it, you got to keep up. But it's
about ground game and getting out to the voters themselves

(33:24):
and energizing them and making sure they know how important
this race is.

Speaker 7 (33:28):
So Senator, can you contrast what you are feeling on
the ground. You know the state of Wisconsin better than anybody.
I would put you number one as a Republican than
maybe Scott Walker because you have won in the hardest
of all terrains. I mean, you beat Russ Fine Golden
twenty ten. I think you beat him again in twenty
sixteen if I remember correctly, and then you won against
Mandela Barns I think in twenty twenty. I mean, when

(33:49):
all the odds are stacked against Senator Johnson, you triumph,
and you do it through grassroots and you do it
with connecting with the mayor's cams and county commissioners. Can
you contrast how it feels on the ground versus a
couple of years ago where we lost the Supreme Court race.
Do you feel more national attention and more energy versus

(34:13):
a couple of years prior.

Speaker 15 (34:14):
Yeah, there's no doubt about on our side, we're paying
a lot closer attention to this race than we the
last time because we lost the last one so miserably.
But this feels very similar to most elections in Wisconsin,
dead even really close and it's going to come down
to a few tens of thousands of votes. Probably Again,
don't I don't quite understand that, you know why in

(34:37):
a presidential year you can turn out one point seven
and win by thirty thousand votes. In a non presidential
year you've turned out about you know, one point two
million and win by thirty thousand votes or lose by
thirty thousand votes. It's Wisconsin, It's going to be close.
It's just amazing the way both sides seem to, you know,
ratchet up to turnout by about the same level no
matter what the race is, whether it's presidential or non presidential.

Speaker 7 (35:01):
So I'm thrilled to hear that, and I know the
grassroots are working really hard. Senator shifting gears for a
second now to more broad macro elements. What is your
take on this story with Jeffrey Goldberg The Atlantic obviously
not a great look with you know, adding the editor
in chieft The Atlantic into a private group chat and

(35:23):
the strike then subsequent strike on the huties. What is
your analysis Your Senate colleagues are acting as if this
was the leaking of the invasion of Normandy and outrageous
over the top hyperbolic response. Senator, how are you processing
all of this?

Speaker 15 (35:41):
Well, it does sound now they're starting the reports that
this has been embellished.

Speaker 11 (35:45):
You know, it's obviously not a great look. My guess.

Speaker 15 (35:48):
This was obviously a mistake, a mistake that I'm sure
is being corrected and has been corrected immediately.

Speaker 11 (35:55):
I mean, it'll be up to the present side exactly
you know what action to take.

Speaker 15 (35:59):
But you know, from my standpoint, I don't doubt that
this is all being blown and way out of proportion
by by the Atlantic and by the mainstream media. And
I also have no doubt that this can be corrected
very very quickly. I certainly contact or you know, my
discussion with nominees is FILEW the Federal Records Act.

Speaker 11 (36:18):
Make sure that all communications.

Speaker 15 (36:20):
Are preserved, follow the law, and I think by and
large that's exactly what the people inside the conservative administrations do.
We certainly see how Vice President Biden. President Biden violates
that by you know, using all these these private email.

Speaker 11 (36:35):
Addresses, that type of thing.

Speaker 15 (36:36):
So again I caution Republican nominees, don't do that.

Speaker 7 (36:40):
File the law also. I want to I want to
now touch on the reconciliation process. How are we, how
are we proceeding on the one big beautiful bill? What
are you pushing for specifically to try and bring this
to be a victory for the border and hopefully spending cuts.
We cannot forget spending cuts, Senator, where we at?

Speaker 11 (37:03):
To me, it's all about spending.

Speaker 15 (37:04):
There's no way you can justify from going going from
four point four trillion in twenty nineteen up to seven
point three trillion dollars this year, and particularly when you
take a look at the options I've laid out there
to return to a pre pandemic level, whether it's Clinton
ninety eight, Obama in twenty fourteen, or Trump twenty nineteen.
Leave soli, security and medicare you know as they are today,

(37:26):
plus up the other outlays by population growth, inflation. You've
got a baseline spending level somewhere between five point five
and six point five trillion dollars. Six point five ought
to be the absolute maximum we ought to be considering. Unfortunately,
the House resolution at most is going to cut about
one point five trillion dollars over ten years, which is
going to take us from about seven point three down

(37:47):
to what seven point one.

Speaker 11 (37:49):
It's just completely unacceptable. So President Trump.

Speaker 15 (37:53):
He needs to get serious about reducing spending if he's
going to accomplish the goal he's laid out there about
balancing the budget. I don't think anybody that vote of
President Trump thought he would continue spending at Biden's levels.

Speaker 11 (38:05):
And so there's a real word logger heads right now
with the House. I know they want to pass one big,
beautiful bill.

Speaker 15 (38:10):
I think a multi step process always made more sense,
a lot simpler. Get the border funding to President Trump now,
I would just quite honestly extend current tax law to
make sure that we don't have a massive automatic tax
increase on the table.

Speaker 11 (38:23):
I'd get those things.

Speaker 15 (38:24):
Off the table, get him, by the way, and then
start doing the really hard work of trying to convince
my colleagues and we got big spenders of my party too,
of returning to a reasonable pre pandemic level. I proposed
in the Wall Street Journal a panel made up of
House members, centers, and the administration, going line by line
publicly with members of administration justify this.

Speaker 11 (38:46):
I mean, why are you spending so.

Speaker 15 (38:48):
Much more than an inflated twenty nineteen level. We can spay,
We can literally save hundreds of billions of dollars per year.
You know, at a minimum seven hundred billion dollars. And
that's not even kept touching medicaid. Don't touch SoC security,
medicaid or medicaid is still seven hundred billion dollars less
than spending today.

Speaker 11 (39:05):
Why aren't we.

Speaker 15 (39:06):
Talking about that versus the meager savings the House resolution
would offer us.

Speaker 7 (39:13):
I completely agree we need massive spending cuts. If we
are serious about saving our republic, we need to analyze
every single expenditure of the federal government. Senator, thank you
so much for your time, and everyone go out and
vote and get someone to vote in the state of Wisconsin.
We must win the Supreme Court race. Senator, thank you
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Speaker 7 (41:26):
Okay, everybody, welcome back. Email us Freedom at Charliekirk dot
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Kirkshow podcast page. I'm just reading some emails here about
the chat situation. I got to give our audience credit.
Our audience is not happy with it. Our audience says

(41:46):
that there is no excuse for this, that we must
hold ourselves to a higher standard. Very impressed by the
audience's high standard. In fact, my favorite email says President
Trump is working his tail off all day long and
has to be distracted by allowing the editor in chief
The Atlantic into a group chat. Unacceptable. That is the

(42:08):
vibe of the audience, and I think you guys deserve
a lot of credit. I want your thoughts Freedom at
Charliekirk dot com. Do you think Mike Waltz should be fired?
What do you think is the right course of action
post this chat? Story of the way forward? President Trump

(42:29):
had nothing to do with this. By the way, a
lot of times you will say, oh, it involves Trump,
this one. Trust me. President Trump is not putting together
signal group chats. You could say a lot of stuff.
He's not putting together signal group chats. We'll be right back. Okay, everybody,

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of tape here, especially the fallout from the signal chat.
Let's go here. This is mister Goldberg describing what he
saw in the chat play cut one forty three.

Speaker 17 (44:43):
The specific time of a future attack, specific targets including
human targets meant to be killed in that attack, weapons systems,
even even weather reports to the precise detail. And then
and then a long section on sequencing. This is going

(45:05):
to happen, Then that is going to happen, After that happens,
This happens, then that happens, and then we go and
find out if it worked. I mean, you know, he
can say that it wasn't a war plan, but uh,
it was a it was a minute by minute accounting
of what was about to happen.

Speaker 7 (45:27):
However, you were not supposed to be in there never
should have happened. Now understand, signal has and will is
continued to be an authorized method of communication. Joe Biden
started that practice and President Trump has continued it. Scott
Jennings comments on it, play cut one forty five.

Speaker 18 (45:46):
The signal program was preloaded on a number of devices
and agency computers in this circuit when they got there,
so in their view, it was already in use.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Number two, in some of the.

Speaker 18 (45:58):
Messages they talk about needing to go to the high
side computers, which is the classified system, So they clearly
were knowing there was a line on what you could
discuss in a chat like this versus classified system. Number three,
there is a dispute over whether the term war plans
is being exaggerated.

Speaker 14 (46:12):
And number four, Look, I love the policy.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
It's well executed.

Speaker 18 (46:16):
You've got a thoughtful policy discussion going on, and we
did what a Biden administration would not do stop these
people from harassing our shipping lanes and our boats and
our navy.

Speaker 7 (46:25):
So let me tell you the biggest concern of all.
If that is correct, and it was government devices that
everyone was using signal with, then why did Mike Waltz
on a government device have Jeffrey Goldberg saved on his
signal profile. That's a serious question. It's not like this

(46:47):
was some carryover when he was in Congress. Jeffrey Goldberg
is a chief neocon, a very neo conservative person. So
is Mike Waltz. Mike Waltz is a maximalist neocon. He
is very close to John Bolton on several issues. I've
had this discussion with him before. That's fine. President Trump
likes to mix it up, he likes to have aggressive

(47:07):
and he can kind of come in and mediate it.
Not doubting President Trump's wisdom here, but it does beg
the question that if it's preloaded on a government device,
and this is your government official channels and communication, then
how is it saved in your signal chat? I know

(47:28):
how signal works. Who actually invited this person into a
signal chat seems to be Mike Waltz. That means he's
added Jeffrey Goldberg as a contact on signal since he
became National Security Advisor. Now he could have potentially imported

(47:50):
his previous signal profile onto a government device. Maybe potentially,
But it begs a lot more questions than answers, and
just more broadly, what are you, as the National Security
Advisor doing dialoguing with Jeffrey Goldberg? The room for error

(48:13):
is nothing, and praise God, this could have been a
lot worse. Narrowly avoided what could have been something catastrophic.
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Okay, everybody, welcome back. Email us Freedom at Charliekirk dot com.
Emails are overwhelming saying that there must be some consequences
and some let's just say, judgment on the entire signal
chat thing. They say it makes President Trump look bad.

(54:13):
That has been the consensus. What we received, Freedom at
Charliekirk dot com joining us now is Ryan James Gurdusky,
very smart man from natpop dot substack dot com and
founder of the seventeen seventy six project pack and host
of It's a Numbers Game on iHeart Ryan. Good to
see you.

Speaker 11 (54:32):
Thanks for having me, Charlie.

Speaker 7 (54:34):
So, Ryan, you wrote extensively about this on your substack.
I want to start with one sixty here about the
Democrat doom loop play cut one sixty.

Speaker 21 (54:45):
Newsom is obviously setting up for a run for the
presidency in twenty twenty eight, and I'm not so sure
that his current strategy is really going to work, because
what he's doing is he's trying to appeal to the right.
But what I see is people like AOC and Bernie
Sanders who are further left than politicians we've seen in
the mainstream in modern American history, garnering so much support,

(55:08):
breaking records with attendance at rallies. What the left may
need right now is possibly somebody further to the left,
not further to the right.

Speaker 7 (55:17):
Okay, So, Ryan, which way do you think the Democrat
Party's going to go?

Speaker 22 (55:23):
I love it when a kid whose headphones are too
big for his head is giving the world life advice.
I think that that was that kid. If you can't
if you can't see it, it depends on the primary
structure for the twenty twenty eight presidential election. If they
skip Iowa and New Hampshire again, it is very clear
they're going to move to the center because black voters

(55:45):
who will make up a majority of the voters in
South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, these early states. I don't know
at Florida anymore, but it was Florida forever. In the
Democratic primary, they are centrists. They are centrist to conservative
Democratic Votersson that Joe Biden was able to resurrect his
entire career in the twenty twenty Democratic primary is because

(56:05):
the South Carolina black voters resurrected him. And that's why
Iowa was where Barack Obama was able to get a
started and he probably would have won anyway.

Speaker 11 (56:15):
In South Carolina goes.

Speaker 22 (56:16):
As a black candidate, but a lot of moderate candidates
find their success in the Deep South. If the Deep
South is the beginning of the twenty twenty eight presidential calendar,
is because the party is looking for a moderate person.
If they started in Nevada, Iowa, and New Hampshire, anything
like that, it will be leaning progressive.

Speaker 7 (56:34):
So, speaking more broadly, what if you kind of look
at the four components of the current Democrat Party. They
have people that are addicted to government programs. They're just
welfare queens. They don't want to work. You have government workers,
so people that are paper shufflers. You have let's say
black women or just kind of black and Hispanic but

(56:57):
not increasingly less Hispanic, and then finally crazy women. Those
are basically the four components of the Democrat Party. Is
that about right?

Speaker 22 (57:06):
Yeah, and you're missing the people who are professionally hate
men and white people, that's all.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
And Christians.

Speaker 22 (57:10):
Those are also the very very they kind of fall
in between those things, but that's also the very fifth,
very important portion of it.

Speaker 11 (57:17):
And look at it's not a majority.

Speaker 22 (57:19):
And if you look at that David Shore deep type,
which I know you've talked about in the past, the
Democratic Party's worst demographic in the last election was men
under the age of twenty. Like, it is such a
reversal because of how toxic some of their politics have
been and the fact that Jasmine Crocket is a tie

(57:39):
with Barack Obama in the CNN poll. Who is the
leader of the Democratic party. They have the dime store
Cardi b who was a middle aged woman who went
to elite private schools. And then the former president who
hate him or Love him was the former president and
a very eloquent speaker with Jasmine Crockett, who was comparing
a paralyzed person hot wheels today at.

Speaker 11 (58:01):
The Human Rights to convention.

Speaker 22 (58:03):
That is really a startling place for how much the
party has kind of lost its mind and how much
bigger the tent for the Republican Party has become.

Speaker 7 (58:12):
Let's play some pieces of tape here. This is from
the David Shore conversation. This is people trust Republicans more
than Democrats on issues that matter. Play cut one oh two.

Speaker 16 (58:25):
You know what you see here is if you look
at the top issues that voters care the most about,
cost of living, the economy, taxes and government spending, you know,
the deficit, foreign policy, you know healthcare. Other than healthcare,
where Democrats have a narrow lead, Republicans have massive trust advantages,
you know, fifteen points on all of the issues that

(58:45):
voters care the most about. And so the story that
I would tell in response to your question is that
in this election, voters trusted Republicans way more than Democrats
on all of the most important issues.

Speaker 7 (59:00):
That is quite a reversal in just a couple of years. Ryan,
What do you attribute that to.

Speaker 22 (59:05):
Well, one, the focus by Democrats on things that don't matter,
like abortion and like the rise of fascism, which most
people in their regular lives don't honestly think is the
one is happening and two is you know, happening tomorrow.
And also the fact that Democrats really had a breakdown
of civil society. Look, Democrats run almost every one of

(59:26):
our major cities in America, the places in the nineties
and two thousands that everyone wanted to be, everyone wanted
to be like, you know in New York or Los Angeles,
thriving metropolitan cities, and they're they're all losing people.

Speaker 11 (59:39):
You know. I was actually think this before.

Speaker 22 (59:41):
If you look at the new census numbers that had
the number of immigrants moving to these cities and kind
of growing them. If it were not for mass immigration,
blue cities would actually feel the repercussion of failed policies.
And it's only because they keep bringing these Third world
immigrants that sit there and kind of bring the population back,
but Americans have rejected them with their feet, they're leaving

(01:00:03):
them in mess and they have for the last five years.
They have failed on quality of life issues across the board.

Speaker 11 (01:00:10):
And then they.

Speaker 22 (01:00:10):
Defend lawlessness from crime and riots to the border, and
they expect you to feel more sorry for an illegal
alien who's in a gang and has gang tattoos and
was deported quickly than they do for that poor girl
of the nursing student who was killed in Georgia. That
is a complete and total breakdown of where their thought

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processes and what priorities are, you know, when it comes
to how Americans live every day.

Speaker 7 (01:00:39):
So the prevailing wisdom was that if we just moderate
our politics as Republicans, this is what Carl Rove would
tell us, this is what Liz Cheney would tell us,
this is what Adam Kinsinger would tell us. This is
what a lot of the blubbery talking heads on cable
TV will tell you, And they would tell it to
my face. Well, Charlie, you know, if you want to

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win young people over, you have to moderate your politics.
You're too extreme, Charlie, you're too outspoken. Don't talk about
the war on white people. You're you just talk about
lowering taxes for young people and that's how you'll win them. Well,
turns out that was all a bunch of rubbish. It
turns out that young people wanted a cultural force. They

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wanted a reckoning against the prevailing rots that they were
seeing encompass their nation. This is The New York Times,
Ezra Klein and David Shore about how Democrats are getting
destroyed with younger voters. I'll be honest, I still don't
think our audience is internalizing the improbability of this, how

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unique this is, how much this messes up the Democrats'
long term plans. We saw this coming years ago, Play
cut seventy six.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
So Democrats are getting destroyed now among young voters.

Speaker 7 (01:02:00):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
I do think there was even as the idea of
the rising demographic Democratic majority had become a little discredited
in twenty sixteen to twenty twenty, I do think Democrats
believed that these young voters were eventually going to save them, right,
that this was a last gasp of something that if
Donald Trump couldn't run these numbers up among seniors and
you had millennials really coming into the voting power, gen

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Z coming in, that was going to be the end
of this Republican party right, and that just completely false.

Speaker 16 (01:02:30):
Yeah, I mean I'd be the beginning of this Republican party.
You know, I have to admit I was. I was
one of those liberals four years ago, and it seems
like I was wrong.

Speaker 7 (01:02:39):
About forty seconds. Ryan, And let's pick it up.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
After the break.

Speaker 22 (01:02:42):
Sure, and I would just sit there and say that
the work that you've done, the work that a lot
of people do.

Speaker 20 (01:02:47):
Part.

Speaker 22 (01:02:47):
The thing that like the Liz Cheneius did not understand,
is what is a moderate. A moderate is not always
Susan Collins. A moderate is very far right in immigration
and maybe centrist on abortion and left wing on healthcare.

Speaker 11 (01:02:57):
That's what a moderate is.

Speaker 22 (01:02:58):
And we hit where the moderates actually cared about, like
on immigration, in the border and the war against white people.

Speaker 7 (01:03:05):
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treatam at Charliekirk dot com. Here is the new leader
of the Democrat Party, who is a race essentialist, a
black woman in the Democrat Party who always talks about
race essentialism. Of course, we have no problem with people
of different skin colors. I mean, by the way, me
and love just passed away, a phenomenal black Republican woman. Amazing,
she just passed away. So said the Democrats. This is

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going to be their new leader. Play cut one seventy eight.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
And because we and these hot Texas streets, honey.

Speaker 16 (01:06:44):
Y'all know we got governor high wheels.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Down there, come on now, and the only thing.

Speaker 20 (01:06:51):
Hot about him is that he is a hot access honey.

Speaker 16 (01:06:55):
So so yes, yes, yes, yes, Ryan.

Speaker 7 (01:07:01):
Did you understand that that was some mix of English
and jive.

Speaker 22 (01:07:06):
She is forty three years old and went to a
K through eighth school that now costs thirty five thousand
dollars a year. The idea that she's ghetto or whatever
she's presenting herself as is the biggest joke. I mean,
she's doing she's doing some kind of bit I guess
to sit there and prove herself somehow, and it's just
I don't know. Listen, she's in a super safe Democratic

(01:07:28):
seat over and I think Dallas or Houston is one
of the two, and she's trying to say this is
how I will break through as a potential leaving the
Democratic Party, either to have a post career as a
television host or speaking engagement person, or she's going to
sit there and run with AOC in the most in
the ticket. That will really show Americans are tired.

Speaker 11 (01:07:48):
Of this bit.

Speaker 7 (01:07:51):
So in if you were to predict Ryan, what is
the most dangerous Democrat for us to run against in
twenty twenty four?

Speaker 24 (01:07:58):
What?

Speaker 7 (01:08:00):
Well, okay, so not just a person that's helpful, but
tell us the archetype and well that's fine. I mean
tell us the archetype and then the biography. Both they're helpful.

Speaker 22 (01:08:09):
Somebody who speaks English well, unlike Congressman Crockett. That would
be a starter to a man. I think where Democrats
are going to take a break from nominating women for
quite some time. I agree, it's just the truth, and
I think that they're going to probably pick a man
who is not a white man, who checks a lot
of boxes, who speaks well, and has centrist career things.

(01:08:30):
I mean, Looksten, if you watch the Harris DNC convention
and the Hillary DNC convention, it looked a lot like
a George W. Bush convention in the way they sounded
about certain things, patriotism America. They've definitely taken this road.
And I just don't think there is enough people in
the Democratic Party who live in Bushwick, Brooklyn who've.

Speaker 11 (01:08:50):
Got pink hair.

Speaker 22 (01:08:51):
Just that they're nominated AOC cannot win a state wide
primary in New York, instruck Schumer. That is why I
believe partially she's looking at a national primary, and there
is no one thing running for off president is a
career booster. That is how you end up becoming Pete
boodha Jedge, which you would have never done if you
had to run just being a mayor. So I think
that there's gonna be a lot of people in the
in the clown car. But at the end of the day,

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I think black voters, who make up the majority of
primary voters with Democratic Party in a large a lot
of states, especially the big South, southern Southeast states, they
will be voting for a moderate man, probably a man
of color. And I think that Wes Moore has what
it takes right now.

Speaker 7 (01:09:28):
And so you do think AOC will run for the presidency.

Speaker 22 (01:09:32):
I mean it looks I don't if she was not,
I don't know what else she would be doing. Like,
she's not doing anything differently than I would be advising
if I was a Democratic consultant. There's nothing that she's
doing that would make me think she's not running for president.
I don't think she's running for a state wide office
in New York. I just don't think she's going to
challenge Chuck Schumer's you know, fifty million dollar coffers.

Speaker 11 (01:09:52):
And she does. She she isolates to.

Speaker 22 (01:09:54):
Many people in New York. There's too many voters who
absolutely be appalled by her. So I think she's going
to look at a a national thing and being the
national voice of the party, and she has a better
chance of doing that.

Speaker 11 (01:10:05):
Although I don't think she.

Speaker 22 (01:10:06):
Can win than she does at being a state a
US senator, which, by the way, she's not a super
effective legislator to begin with, why would you be a
senator for?

Speaker 7 (01:10:15):
It's a very interesting question that by all appearances, the
Democrat Party should moderate. Your point is very well taken.
Depending on what state they choose first, they're going to
signal the type of primary electorate they want to run towards.
I suppose The question, though, is will the national base
of the Democrat Party put up with a moderation campaign

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or or be.

Speaker 22 (01:10:39):
A populous progressive in the sense that you like they
used to.

Speaker 11 (01:10:43):
Be like, be like, be like a what you call it?

Speaker 22 (01:10:47):
What's this the labor activist of the nineteen seventies, be
super pro union, be super worker, and be against the
illegal immigration which drives down their wages. Trying to mix
like but they don't. They don't want working class voters.
That's their ultimate problem. There is a path for Democrats
to move forward and talk about you know, billionaires in
the Trump administration, or or the wealthy, or tax because

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there is a road for them to walk on and
be a working class party. They have no interest in
working class people because they're you know, revolted by them.
They are the party of college educated people who have
one of.

Speaker 7 (01:11:22):
The reasons, one of the reasons why they're revolted is
that a majority of the working class is white, and
so definitionally they hate that. So if you have a
white class, they hate white people. So therefore they don't
deserve any representation right at a time, Ryan, thanks so much.
Check out his sub stack. Really appreciate it. Thank you,
Thank you. The legendary Tom Homan joins us. Next, what

(01:11:44):
questions do you want me to ask? Tom Homan? Email
me Freedom at Charliekirk dot com. We'll be right back.

Speaker 12 (01:11:59):
Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm
Terrence Bates. White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt is out
with the statement seeking to clear the record about what
appears to be a potential national security breach involving.

Speaker 14 (01:12:12):
Top Trump administration officials.

Speaker 12 (01:12:14):
It all centers around a text message on the messaging
apps Signal that reportedly included details about an upcoming attack
on Huthi rebels.

Speaker 14 (01:12:21):
In Yevin Well.

Speaker 12 (01:12:23):
The White House was refuting the reporting, saying, in part,
no war plans were discussed and no classified material was
sent to the thread. Levitt also confirms the White House
Council's Office has provided guidance on a number of different
platforms for President Trump's top officials to communicate as safely
and efficiently as possible. In the meantime, several of the

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administration officials who were on that text chain spent the
morning being dressed down before the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Speaker 14 (01:12:50):
Despite the White House's claim that no war.

Speaker 12 (01:12:52):
Plans were discussed, senators seemed to be able to determine
that that wasn't necessarily the case. Plus those involved confirmed
the editor in chief of Atlantic Magazine was included on
the text chain and no one seemed to notice. All
of the information was reportedly laid out on the messaging
app Signal.

Speaker 14 (01:13:09):
Vice President J. D.

Speaker 12 (01:13:10):
Vance, along with the Secretary of Defense Pete haik Seth
and the Secretary of State Mark or Rubio, as well
as Director of National Intelligence Tulcy Gabbard, were reportedly on
that thread. The National Security Council is now looking into
the breach. Several top Trump administration national security officials are
getting it well. That, of course, was the story that
we just did. Let's go onto the next story. This

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next story has to do with the borders are Tom Homan.
He spoke to the media earlier this morning and basically
laid out that border crossings and border encounters are down.

Speaker 25 (01:13:45):
We secure the board, We're down border across in ninety
six percent, so we don't have the millions of people
coming across the border.

Speaker 24 (01:13:50):
Just compare our removing numbers. His is just ridiculous.

Speaker 25 (01:13:53):
We need Congress to fund this mandate for the American
people because with more money can do more. We need
to buy more, We need more airplane flights, we need
more officers on the ground, we need more contracts with companies.
Are going to do a lot of work that doesn't
require badging juhnn.

Speaker 24 (01:14:07):
So the more money.

Speaker 25 (01:14:09):
We have from Congress, the more successful will be underground.

Speaker 12 (01:14:13):
Meantime, the Trump administration is also targeting illegal border crossings
at the northern border between the US and Canada. It's
one of the reasons the Commander in chief is moving
forward with tariffs against our northern neighbor. That's a quick
check of your headlines.

Speaker 13 (01:14:38):
Relentless than spirit. You're listening to the Charlie Kirk Show.

Speaker 7 (01:14:43):
Okay, everybody joining us now is borders are himself? And
great American patriot, Tom Homan. Tom, welcome to the program.
Thank you for taking the time. I know you are
very busy. Give us an update our viewers, a macro
update of how border operational security is proceeding and the
deportation effort. I know you guys are working very hard.
Give us an update from the front lines.

Speaker 24 (01:15:05):
Well, let me start with us first, if you don't mind.

Speaker 25 (01:15:07):
So during Seapack, I made a statement I was going
to go to Boston and bring hell with me because
child rapists, llegal aliens that were walking the streets to
Boston because of the sanctuary policies not only in Boston
but the entire state of Massachusetts. Well, I went up
there and started. I went as promise. I went to
Boston last Tuesday and we started a five day operation.
We rested three hundred and seventy illegal aliens, most some

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criminal threats and including child sexual predators, murderers, gun traffickers,
drug traffickers.

Speaker 24 (01:15:36):
Took up to our promise.

Speaker 25 (01:15:37):
So once again we're proven that Massachusetts a sanctuary haven
for the worst of the worst. So follow through on
that promise as far as the border. As the numbers
are down right now, we're ninety six percent decline and
illegal entries. It's the most secure boarder we've ever had.
We got more to do the most what I like,
the most number of guidaways. Under Joe Biden, we were
averaging eighteen hundred godaways to day, people that entered the

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country weren't arrested, weren't and got away. We went from
eighteen hundred to double digits, like forty two, So that's
been a good number. Of course, illego deaths that went down,
American deaths from vatanams going down as we secure the border.
As far as internal interior enforcement operations, we've arrested more
criminals in the first two months of Trump administration Joe

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Biden did all last year. So our numbers looked at
on the interior, I want more. I'm happy the numbers
are high, but we need more. So I'm asking ICE
to target more people, increase the targeting, and remove more
public safety threads out of this country. Boston's a great operation,
but we need more.

Speaker 7 (01:16:35):
We do need more. We need to get those numbers up.
So part of what the media is focusing on is
this Enemies Act that has been invoked to repel trend
de Arragua in the interior of the United States. You
guys have done a very good job of articulating the
application of that law. Rachel Maddow and a lot of

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people on the far left are trying to make a
big deal saying that, well, there are no trendy Arragua
members that were caught up in the deportation effort and
expelling them to El Salvador. What is the truth of
the matter here, tom.

Speaker 24 (01:17:10):
My side. I've talked to the highest levels.

Speaker 25 (01:17:12):
I talked to the officers that are involved with that
manifest and putting those tigets together. They guarantee me that
everyone other the Venzewealans I have flight with a TDA member.
Doesn't surprise me that any family member of TDA are
going to say they're not TDA. They certainly don't want
them in al saal we're doing in prison. But look,
this was based on a lot of investigative work, you know,
anything from scraping social media to surveillance, to intelligence briefings

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to criminal investigations.

Speaker 24 (01:17:37):
Just because a gang.

Speaker 25 (01:17:39):
Member doesn't have a criminal record doesn't mean they're not
a gang member, just as most terrorists in this world
aren't in any terrorist database. So I'm going to believe
the men and women who do this for a living
before I believe any member of TDA. I've been told
the're all members of TDA. TDA has been designated a
terrorist organization MS thirteenth and designated terrorist organization. Everybody and

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on those flights are a terrorists that were removed from
this country, President Trump keeping his promised to American people.

Speaker 7 (01:18:07):
Yeah, and so to reiterate that, what is your response
to these judges? There's one judge in particular that just
came out and said that these terrorists were treated worse
than even the Nazis work. I mean, how dare this
judge say something like that but criticizing the administration for
its treatment of these illegals and outrageous statement. What are

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your thoughts?

Speaker 25 (01:18:31):
Well, this is me off because you're talking about the
men and women are right su strap a gun to
the hip every day, put a badge on the chest,
and put themselves in harms way every day to protect
this public, to remove public statety threats and national security
threats from the streets of this country. To compare them
to the Nazis, for God's sakes, are you kidding? Me
to the annihilation of the Jews. That's an insult to

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everybody that works. That should be an insult to every American.
To compare what Ice does every day to the Nazis
is incredible.

Speaker 24 (01:18:58):
It's coming from a judge.

Speaker 25 (01:18:59):
These people people most a lot of these people on
these places had due process because some of them were
Title eight, were moved to Title light. They already got
ordered removed by a pedlerate judge. But the terrorists to
the Alien Enemies Act, a law that was unacted by
Congress and signed by a president. We're enforcing the law
on the books. We're not making this up. President Trump
by proclamation the steps she could take to remove terrorists

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from the country as quick as possible, and that's exactly
what we did. So I'm shocked but not surprised that
somebody would say something like that, But it's disgusting.

Speaker 7 (01:19:33):
So Tom to the Democrat obstructionists like the Mayor of
Boston and many others like Kathy Hokeel, I want to
play Kathy Hokle's tape and get your reaction. Let's play
cut one ten.

Speaker 26 (01:19:46):
We're not going to allow this mass deportation where we
will cooperate and I did this even under the Biden administration.
If you have a warrant, or you know someone's on
a terrorism watch list, or committing crimes in their home
country or committing crimes here, that's a different category, and
I will help you with those to protect everyone. But
don't bleed over into going to schools and sensitive places.

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So our state policy, our state law does not allow
for our state police to be involved in those situations. Now,
what we have are some renegade counties in New York.

Speaker 19 (01:20:19):
Because individual counties can sign.

Speaker 26 (01:20:21):
A pact with ICE, they are cooperating with their local
police departments. But what I control is the state police,
and they will not cooperate.

Speaker 7 (01:20:31):
Has she been helpful? Tom and your reaction to Governor Hockel.

Speaker 25 (01:20:35):
No, she's not. Look, I'm a native of New York.
Are born in New York, raised in New York, with
the college in New York. I got a home in
New York. And she's an embarrassment's position she holds, she's lying.
First of all, we don't need a warrant under an
Immigration Nationality Act. We go with administrative want. She's talking
about a criminal wane. No, the Congress says, and Feeder
law already as administrative want.

Speaker 24 (01:20:56):
She won't honor.

Speaker 25 (01:20:57):
And here's a woman who says a governor who's well,
we want to help. She's still on national TV after
Illego aland ben Ze Walls beat up NYPD. She's still
on national TEA after a woman with burned up live
by an illegal and on a subway making a statement
that I believe criminal aliens should be deported too. And
what's the first thing she did. She flew down to

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New York and tried to remove Mayor Adams, who wants
to work with ICE getting this records Island rekords islands
where they hold criminal illegal aliens. She wanted to remove
them because she wants to work with ICE to go
on to records Island. So she's she's speaking on two
sides and mouth she believes her sanctuary policies. She ought
to go talk to citizens in upstate New York by
Buffalo and Syracuse where Illego Alands had killed young girls

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American citizens. Again, she's an embarrassment to the position she holds,
and she needs and I just you know, I was
from New York just two weeks ago, called her at
a press conference by her misstatements. Law enforcement, the cops,
the law enforce, the guy who's work in the front line.
They want to work with us because they know not
only can remove the public safety threats from the community,
we can move them from the country, which means law

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enforce novels a Resking are amien five or six times
over and over again, which means that they spend more
time on public safety issues. So absolutely, she lied to
the American people. She lied to the taxpayers.

Speaker 24 (01:22:10):
In New York.

Speaker 7 (01:22:12):
We're going to see more and more of these obstructionists
like JB. Pritzker and even news and Hokel. What is
the plan too, to still execute the mandate the American
people gave you. When you have these Democrat governors getting
in the way, how can we how can that best

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be remedied?

Speaker 25 (01:22:35):
Well, first of while, Pam Bondi's already suing some of
these sanctuary cities, I think she's going to sue we'll
have a lot more. But in the meantime, we're gonna
keep coming. They're not gonna stop us from what we're doing.
I'll tell you the same thing I said in New
York the Press Commas New York about HOCO.

Speaker 24 (01:22:48):
You want to you want to you know, you know
a brace the sanctuary policy.

Speaker 25 (01:22:52):
Will you knowingly release a public safety draft illegal alien
back into the public. That's just plain stupid. But if
you keep doing that, what does that mean? That means
we send more ICE officers to your communities. That means
more clatter resk get made. Like the big thing that
keeps saying, well, you're rested on criminals, No kidding. If
you want to release the public safety threat criminal back

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in the community, it means I got to send agents
in the community to find him. When we find him,
most likely he's with other illegal anilies. It may not
be a criminal, be a criminal convicted, or a public
criminal threat. However they're in the country legal. Well, guess what,
we're not going to tell ICE to turn a blind
either're going to enforce the laws they've been took an
old to enforced. We're going to wrestle collateral illegal aliens.

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So Sanctuary City is going to get exactly what they
don't want, more officers in the community and more cladter.

Speaker 24 (01:23:39):
Rescue because you force us in the community.

Speaker 25 (01:23:41):
And if you her Sanctuary City is concerned, we'll double
the manpower there. We're not going to stop doing what
we're doing. The American people gave President Trump on mandate
his number one issue was illegal immigration, Board of Security
and removing the worst of the worst. And that's what
we're doing, and no one's going to stop us.

Speaker 7 (01:23:56):
Tom, you had a great moment with Jonathan carl where
he asked you during his Sunday show about due process.
Play cut one sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Boston doesn't back down.

Speaker 25 (01:24:12):
We may not always agree or see eye to eye,
but at the end of.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
The day, we are a family.

Speaker 21 (01:24:19):
If you come for one of us, you will get
all of us.

Speaker 7 (01:24:25):
Well that's an unrelated clip. But if she is trying
to talk to you, let's play one thirty three.

Speaker 8 (01:24:34):
Sending some of these people is that they deny that
they're members of this of this gang or either you
know Trendate de Aragua or MS thirteen.

Speaker 27 (01:24:44):
That plan was full of people says they're as terrorists
number one, number two. Every every Venzuelan migrant on that
flight was was a TDA member based on numerous criminal investigation,
on intelligence reports, and a lot of work by ICEOL.
Matter of fact, two days after that flight took off,
I even had a discussion with the after and Director

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of eyes, and he reiterated every person every events went
on that plane was a known member of the TDA.

Speaker 7 (01:25:14):
And you've mentioned all that before. More broadly, Tom, what
are you looking to get from congressional approval here in
this reconciliation bill? What help do you need to keep
on fulfilling the mission?

Speaker 25 (01:25:24):
Well, let me do our as Mayor woodhur comments, you know, well,
we got three hundred and seventy of them, and we're
coming back. We're gonna come back again and again and
again to remove public safety threats from Boston and from Massachusetts.
And the governor in the Americans say what they want,
We're gonna keep coming. As far as Congress. We need money, Charlie.
We need money to buy more beds, We need money

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for more flights. The more money we have, the more
we can do. Look what we've done already, border crossing down,
Like I said, ninety six percent. We're wrestling three times
more people than Joe Biden did in the same time period.
But we got a lot of public safety trust last
count about seven hundred dollars final order public stats to dreads.
We need to find these people, but it takes money.
It takes money to do operations take moneys to detain them.

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It takes money to transport them and fly them out
of the country. So Congress needs to come to the
table and fund this mandate for the president. We're going
to keep the President's promise. But again, the more resources
we have, the more successful we're going to be.

Speaker 7 (01:26:21):
Tom, excellent work. Thank you. We have your back one
hundred percent. Make sure the mass deportation force continues.

Speaker 24 (01:26:27):
Thank you, Tom, Thank you, Thank you for doing what
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least tens of millions of dollars in federal funding for
planned parenthood. Now, we should not spend any money on
Planned parenthood. They get over seven hundred million dollars a year.
Between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one, Planned parent had
performed over one point one million abortions while receiving one
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average over five hundred and ninety two million dollars every year.
American taxpayer dollars must not be used to kill innocent
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extension of the Democrat Party. Planned parenthood runs ads against
Donald Trump. Plant PARENTA did get out the vote against
Donald Trump, and we are subsidizing that with our tax
pay dollars. By the way, we also are great partners
with Preborn which I am a donor to, which is
a pro life alternative to Plant Parenthood. So Plant PARENTO

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would say, oh, you know, we do mammograms and all
this other stuff. Well, if that's the case, then why
can't we send all that money to pro life clinics
that do mammograms, and they do ultrasounds that are not
like a hub and spoke that comes out of the
DNC hub. Why is it that we have to have
seven hundred million dollars funding our political opposition outside of

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the moral issue that I have of funding abortion, that's
not actually the most interesting part of this. More interesting
part is why is it that US taxpayers have to
basically fund a Democrat superpack. Planned Parenthood ran advertisements all
across the country supporting Kamala Harris. They only support Democrats.
It's a major issue. And praise God for the courage

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of the Trump administration to stand up against Planned Parented.
Planned Parented likes to say that abortions are only three
percent of the services they offer. But money is fungible
in theory. Imagine if pro life pregnancy crisis centers crisis
centers receive seven hundred million dollars a year, that would

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be only fair, right, But of course not. We are
propping up a Democrat machine, is what we are doing,
and that money should be completely and totally cut. By
the way, it is against federal law. Just so we
are clear, you are not allowed to use tax pair
dollars towards abortion they do it anyway because they say, oh,

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it covers our overhead, it helps cover some of our costs.
If this is so important to liberals, then go privately
funded one hundred percent. Turning Point USA and Turning Point
Action don't get any federal funding. It's very important to conservatives,
so we have to go raise our own money. You know,
we are becoming one This is a very interesting point.
Do you know that at Turning Point USA and Turning

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Point Action, we are becoming one of the biggest privately
funded nonprofits in the country. We will We're already in
like the top one of one percent, but we are
we are in the top probably one hundred of the
of the biggest privately fund und to nonprofits in the country.
Hillsdale College, I think is the biggest cut the funding

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of Planned Parenthood. Stop funding your political opponents. It's this
sort of pseudo money laundering operation where taxpayer money goes
to the Democrat Party. Again, if Planned parent is doing
such amazing work, then go raise money from all of
your very loyal Democrat donors. Don't take us treasury money

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of seven hundred million dollars a year to go do it.
Defund planted parenthood completely See you guys tomorrow. Thanks so much,