The Charlie Kirk Show, May 21, 2025

Commentary on the Big Beautiful Bill, British Politics, Religion, Judaism

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
The Charlie Kirk Show starts now.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
In the case of El Salvador, absolutely absolutely we deported
gang members, gang members, including the one you had a
margarita with, and that guy is a human trafficker and
that guy is a gang banger.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Well, I think actually we were further away from a
deal because that salt cap increase I think upset a
lot of conservatives. Again, the conservatives are pushing for some
balancing spending reductions. We actually stopped negotiating just before midnight
because we actually had a deal that was then pulled
off the table. So again, this bill actually got worse overnight.

(00:57):
There is no way it passes today. And as I've
said all along, we may need a couple of weeks
to iron everything out, but it's not going anywhere today.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
The alternative is a sixty eight percent tax.

Speaker 5 (01:08):
Increase, and you can blame the Democrats for that. ED
one or two ri in say this, well, this is
the biggest tax cut in the history of our country,
or you'll get a sixty eight percent tax increase.

Speaker 6 (01:20):
I promise the American people that I would build a
cut an edge missile defense shield to protect our homeland
from the threat of foreign missile attack, and that's what
we're doing today.

Speaker 7 (01:31):
If it's designed for the Golden Dome, we'll integrate with
our existing defense capabilities and should be fully operational before
the end of my term.

Speaker 8 (01:41):
The Golden Dome will be capable of.

Speaker 7 (01:43):
Intercepting missiles, even if they are launched from other sides
of the world, and even if they are launched from space.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
And I have to tell you directly and personally that
I were writ voting through it.

Speaker 8 (01:54):
For Secretary of State.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
You, I irrespond, give me well, first of all, your
regret for voting for.

Speaker 9 (02:01):
Me confirmed from doing a good job based on what I'm.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Going That's a directly and statement, mister Secretary.

Speaker 9 (02:05):
And I respond, mister gentleman, you me I.

Speaker 8 (02:07):
Didn't ask, Senator.

Speaker 10 (02:08):
Please let the Secretary.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
I'd be happy to, but then I can respond to.

Speaker 5 (02:11):
Just your time's up, Senator, and willfully used.

Speaker 11 (02:15):
I might add, this is the long and growing list
of promises made, if promises kept. Ultimately, this right here,
the Golden Dome for America is game changer. It's a
generational investment in security of America and Americans.

Speaker 7 (02:30):
I don't think Thomas Mesi understands government.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
I think he's a grand standard.

Speaker 8 (02:34):
Frankly, he'll probably vote we don't even dug so much.

Speaker 12 (02:37):
I think he should be voted out of office.

Speaker 7 (02:40):
And I just don't think he understands a government. If
you ask him a couple of questions, he never gives.

Speaker 12 (02:44):
You an answer.

Speaker 7 (02:44):
You just as time, and he thinks he's going to
get publicity.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I'm actually very proud of the work we've done with USAID.
For example, I don't regret cutting ten million dollars for
male circumcisions and Mozembique. I don't know how that makes
a stronger and more prosperous as a nation.

Speaker 8 (03:00):
I ran over grab the Psycho social support service.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Well, I can go on. I mean, there's other things here.
We spent two hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars for
Big Cat's YouTube channel from USAID. We spent fourteen million
dollars for social Codesion in Mali.

Speaker 12 (03:12):
Whatever the hell that means.

Speaker 8 (03:14):
So I can go on and on.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
I got the list here, and there's more that I
didn't even bring the whole list.

Speaker 13 (03:17):
This is what he said he was going to do
in the campaign, right, We're going to protect American people, and.

Speaker 8 (03:21):
That's what he's doing. And it's a challenge. It's a
technical challenge.

Speaker 11 (03:25):
We understand that, but I think American technology can get here.

Speaker 10 (03:28):
It depends on how big you want to make it.
We want to strengthen medicare.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
We want to strengthen medicare, waste fraud kind of news.
The Democrats will let illegals beyond, They'll destroy it.

Speaker 8 (03:40):
It's not a question of all that.

Speaker 12 (03:41):
Y a tremendously unified party. I don't think we've ever
had a party like this.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
There's some people that want a couple of things that
maybe I don't like or that they're not going to get.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
The State Department had to change. It was no longer
at the center of American foreign policy. It'd often be
replaced by the National Security Council or by some other
agency of government, when in fact we have these highly
talented people that were being edged.

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(05:22):
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Speaker 1 (05:25):
Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. This is your guest
host for the day, Andrew cole Thatt. I'm the executive
producer of this fine show. Honored to be with you today.
Lots of news lots going on. We actually have Chip
Roy at about halfway through the hour, we're going to
talk about the one big beautiful Bill. Yes, and welcome
to the Bitcoin dot Com Studio, the mobile studio. In

(05:47):
this instance, Charlie is traveling through the UK. He's going
to be back tomorrow in studio barnstorming Great Britain, going
through Cambridge and Oxford. So we are now some of
our first clips from the Cambridge debate, which was basically
a bunch of Libs versus Charlie. It was about four

(06:09):
hundred to one. Some of those clips are pretty fantastic,
so we might play some of those here in this
first segment. I want to set the stage, however, for
the news of the day. The one big beautiful bill.
They want to have a vote on it, maybe even tonight.
Does not look like they currently have the votes. Andy Harris,
who is the chair of the House Freedom Caucus, is

(06:30):
saying that the bill got worse overnight and why it's
because of the Salt editions. So unfortunately Salt has pushed
the conservatives in the hardliners budget hawks that I'm very
sympathetic to further away from that deal. And yeah, I'm

(06:52):
getting I'm getting emails. Thank god he wasn't arrested, Yes,
Trump was Trump. Charlie Kirk was not arrested in the UK.
Thank goodness. But he just debated Cambridge Oxford students and
instead of focusing on their own country, by the way,
he just sent a note to me. They're focused and
they're the decay of their own country. They're obsessed with Israel.

(07:16):
Israel is what everybody wants to talk about at Cambridge,
which is unfortunately very sad. There's news on the Marco
Rubia front. He just dressed down the Senate. That was fantastic,
one big beautiful bill. We've got the Golden Dome, deportation news.
All of that is still very much happening. So why

(07:38):
don't we start with Charlie. I'm feeling the lead to
start with Charlie. This is Charlie. I'm not exactly sure
which this is, but let's play three one one. This
is Charlie talking about how he wants to see Britain
be great again.

Speaker 9 (07:55):
Three eleven for the three Conservatives that are here tonight.
I hope you guys get your mojo back. This was
once a great country. I want to see it great again.
You guys are a husk of your former self. You guys,
you can laugh and sneer all you want, but the
country that split the atom and invented the steam engine,
and eradicated slavery and brought common law to the world.

(08:16):
Can do a lot better than this, and you are
your existence led to our existence, and for whatever I
can do. I hope that this country finds a leader
or a group of leaders. I'm not here to give
you political advice. I hate when foreigners do that to Americans.
You guys, whatever you want, but I do have a
wish that the world feels like it's missing something. It
feels like it's missing something when Great Britain or England

(08:39):
or whatever politically correct thing I have to say, because
I guess England, I can't fly in English, flagnaw, whatever
nonsense that is. Be proud of your heritage. You've done
good for the world. Stop apologizing, get your energy, get
your vitality, get what made England and made great Britain
such a phenomenal place. I hope you get that back,

(09:00):
and I hope that you reject the Swan song of
multiculturalism and get back to the fundamental true of the
trism that a strong Britain means a strong world and
therefore a strong West. We can stand up for what
is good, true, and beautiful.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Man, what a breath of fresh air. Charlie Kirk is
to the UK, Amen, get your mojo back. The country
of Churchill and Margie Thatcher. So many proud British points
in history, so many proud Britons that have paved the
way and pioneered away and gave us this country. Let's
not forget then, the British Commonwealth when it spread across

(09:38):
the world. All of those colonies that became their own
countries and got self rule and all these things, but
that went through the British colonialism are succeeding far beyond
those of the French colonies, of the Spanish colonies, the
Portuguese colonies, of the Belgian colonies. The British people have
a proud, a proud history and we need to remember that.

(10:02):
Now here's another long clip. This is going to be
this is the Charlie Kirk Show. So this is an
ode to Charlie Kirk. Let's go ahead and play three
to one two.

Speaker 15 (10:12):
So you've condemned the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty
four as a huge mistake.

Speaker 9 (10:17):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Why do you.

Speaker 15 (10:18):
Believe it was a mistake to pass anti discrimination legislation
and what do you think would be a better policy
for being treated fairly and equally, which you see as
an American principle.

Speaker 9 (10:28):
Yeah, nothing against the intent, but it was too broadly
written and it played into something called disparate impact. Disparate
impact was woven within the Civil Rights Act, and disparate
impact basically says if two racial groups have different outcomes,
the answer must be racism. It does not allow any
legal nuance. So there are four components to quote unquote
the anti racist regime of America. I don't pretend to

(10:49):
know what goes on in this country. I just talk
about America. I'm sure that's fine. And it's four components.
Affirmative action, critical race theory, DEI, and disparate impact. Those
are the kind of the four components. All of them
have their subsection. The Civil Rights Act led the way
to affirmative action, which is weaponized quote unquote reverse racism
against Asian and white people, and the Civil Rights Act
also blazed the trail for disparate impact as a legal theory,

(11:11):
basically saying that if Black Americans are doing worse in
a group, it might not be cut be because of
marital differences, or cultural differences or single motherhood issues. It
must be racism. And so because of that, the Civil
Rights Act was too broadly written. So the intent it
should have been a single page or a two page
bill to say that you cannot discriminate against based on
the color of somebody's skin, period, end of story. Instead

(11:32):
we get a multiple, one hundred page bill with lots
of chapters and lots of lesser known amendments that created
basically a permanent anti racist bureaucracy than our federal government
to go find racism where it doesn't exist, and created
new places where otherwise did not exist.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Now, that is a really good answer from Charlie. Oftentimes
Charlie will get asked that when he's in liberal settings,
you know, what's your problem with the Civil Rights Act. Obviously,
nobody has a problem with the of the Civil Rights Act.
We believe that everybody should be treated equally under the law. However,
we've talked about it as well, that the Civil Rights

(12:08):
Act was largely a second founding of America, that modern
Americans probably have more reverence for the Civil Rights Act
than they do for the Constitution. But in some ways
the Civil Rights Act overreached, overstretched, and created bureaucracy that
allows men in women's restrooms, in locker rooms. So good

(12:29):
for Charlie. I love that he stood on it. And
there's another story that's going on in the UK right
now that's really interesting. There's a woman named Lucy Connley.
Go ahead and throw that image up. Lucy Conley is
a British woman. She was jailed for thirty one months,
all because of a tweet that she posted that was

(12:51):
quickly deleted. And the tweet. You know, we don't have
to like the tweet, we don't have to agree with
the tweet, but she deleted it. She was she showed contrition.
Lucy Connelly has been jailed. She's a mother of at
least she has a twelve year old child. Her husband
has been left to care for this child. There's been

(13:13):
zero leniency. Yesterday she was denied her appeal to get
out of.

Speaker 10 (13:19):
Jail.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
And the tweet was something along the lines of and
she was upset about the immigration situation and some of
these facilities there you go, master deportations now set fire
to all of the hotels full of the I guess
the illegals at using American parlance for all I care
for all I care while you're at it, to make

(13:45):
the treacherous government and politicians and take the treacherous government
politicians with them. She deleted this tweet. It was just
a tweet and she had been jailed. She's been jailed
for incitement. Now the Britons that support they think that
this is just the guardrails around healthy productive speech. Well

(14:05):
this is not. This does not meet an American threshold
for incitement, in which case you need to say a
specific place and a specific person and a specific means
that would be incitement in the American context. This is
just blowing off steam. She's upset about the mass immigration
into the UK, which a lot of Britains are, and

(14:27):
she's been jailed for thirty one months and no leniency. Meanwhile,
child rapists in the UK have run free for decades
to tier justice system. We'll be right back.

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(16:44):
play one more clip from Charlie So don't go anywhere. Also,
we're gonna get into again you gotta don't go anywhere
because we've got Chip Roy. So this is a big,
big debate. Chip Roy's coming on this show and he's
gonna explain exactly what he needs to see on the
one big beautiful Bill to be a yes. Him and
Andy Harris, the Freedom Cock has been to the loudest
voices uh out there trying to uh fight for changes.

(17:09):
So we'll see we're gonna hear him out and see
what his point of view is. More on England though,
when we welcome back Radio don't go anywhere, all right,
Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Andrew Covitt in

(17:30):
for the one and only Charlie Kirk right here at
the Mobile Bitcoin dot Com Studio. Honored to be with
you all from c to Shining Sea. Again. We have
Chip Roy coming up in the next segment. He's gonna
explain what he wants to see in the One Big
Beautiful Bill. He's gonna be meeting with President Trump this afternoon,
so they've got a meeting coming and so we're gonna

(17:52):
we're gonna see what happens. I'm just loving these clips
from Charlie in the UK. Charlie is going there with
a message of freedom. He's debating people. He's bringing the
same verve that we've taken to college campuses, these islands
of totalitarianism in the United States, taking it to the
other side of the pond. But I just want to
finish one thought here on the Lucy Connelly go ahead

(18:13):
and put her picture back up, guys. Lucy Connelly issued
a tweet. Maybe wasn't the best tweet. I don't know
why there's black bars in that picture. Maybe find another one.
Maybe wasn't the best tweet wasn't the nicest tweet. She
took it down. She showed contrition, which by the way,
she didn't even need to do. I don't think it
was incitement. She was blowing off steam. She's upset about

(18:34):
the mass immigration, which millions of British citizens are upset
about mass immigration, and they are you know, she gets arrested,
stripped of her liberty. There is no free speech if
that is allowed to happen in the UK. Now, all
these people I've been watching the Twitter, there is of
course we have free speech. That's absurd to say we

(18:56):
don't have free speech. Lucy Conley did not have free speech,
and see Connolly does not have free speech, then there
is no free speech in the UK. It was a
harmless tweet. Maybe it was not a great tweet. She
would admit that it was not a great tweet, but
she took it down. Nevertheless, you know, maybe a fine okay.
And there's a lot of these other people in the

(19:17):
in the UK. They're they're able to get the you know,
like house arrest at the very at the very least,
so they can be with their kid and help their
husband out who's got to go to work, make a living,
absolutely insane story Free Lucy Connelly. And by the way,
Charlie has promised to bring this issue up with the
State Department and see what he can do. I'm gonna

(19:41):
play one other clip here from from Charlie. He went
on gb News and he's talking about this very issue
three eighteen.

Speaker 9 (19:49):
I've had a.

Speaker 16 (19:50):
Lady called Lucy Connelly since you've been here.

Speaker 9 (19:52):
Of course, I talked about her yesterday and no one
knew who what I was talking about in Cambrian the
students tonight. I mentioned her because I did the research
my teams in a in job and I think she
just had her petition denied.

Speaker 16 (20:02):
In the last hour or so. Today is Tuesday. Today
she's had her appeal denied. So she's going to be
carrying out her to a half your sentence four solitary tweets,
so where she deleted for four hours later what she
will take on the whole s issue.

Speaker 9 (20:14):
I'm gonna try to get the US State Department involved.
I don't know if you know what their bandwidth is here,
but I'm sorry, Like again, I'm speaking of the citizen,
not as US government. I just want to be very clear,
like is this the way that a liberal democracy in
an ally of the United States acts. Just to be clear,
what she said would not be any prison clime in America.
I don't like what she said, but she showed contrition. Well,
there's two parts. The first part where she said, like,

(20:36):
I don't want immigrants in my country.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Perfectly stuttle. That's fine, you can say that. You're allowed
to have that.

Speaker 9 (20:39):
I think there was one part about like potentially like
violent whatever, which she said, let me kind of said, yeah,
I want to be clear.

Speaker 16 (20:46):
So I think I think by the time she sent
the tweets, some asylum hotels were in the midst of
being burnt down or their monotovs thrown through a window.
She tweeted, burn them down for all I care. You're
allowed to say that in America. So the argument is,
was she and saw I see vyes oh oh? Was
she reactsing to the images she was saying.

Speaker 9 (21:05):
And by the way, just to be clear, you guys
have the wrong incitement threshold in America. You need to
have specific time and specific place in order to reach
the incitement threshold. Every day people say, you know, well
someone should go kill Charlie Kirk. I don't like it.
But that's protected speech in America. We care about what
you do, not about what you say. And then she
showed contrition and she apologized, and from my understanding, when

(21:26):
the police force showed up to her door, they asked
her questions being like, you know, do you think that
do you hate immigrants? No, she gave like very satisfactory answers,
and they still arrested her. And I just find it
so outrageous that she's going to now jail for two
and a half years for a deleted social media post
that she apologized for. As you guys have birth to

(21:47):
free speech the world. You now, guys are becoming a
totalitarian country.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Just you birth free speech to the world, You're now
becoming a totalitarian country. Well said Charlie Kirk. The threshold
not met. This is an outrageous over sentencing. And by
the way, I will say, you know, the UK is
so screwed up. I mean, Tommy Robinson got we found
out is going to be released from prison in the

(22:10):
UK this week and what happened the judge forced him
to delete his documentary off of X that had tens
and tens of millions of views about immigration, about Muslim immigration, specifically,
which is a no no in the UK. You're not
allowed to not appreciate Muslims coming into your country by

(22:31):
in the droves. So this is a big story. It's
across the pond, yes, but we need a rebirth of
freedom around the Western world if we're going to stand
against all of the forces that are coming against the country.
So good on, Charlie. I'm really proud of what he's doing.
This is cultural suicide throughout the West and we need voices,

(22:52):
strong voices from the West that know how to win,
that know how to be forceful and take it to
our friends and allies and remind them of who they are.
Remind them of who they are. You're the people of Churchill.
Stand up and be strong. Stop apologizing for yourself. We'll
be right back with Chipry.

Speaker 13 (23:14):
Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm
Terrence Bates. A marathon House Rules Committee meeting hearing on
President Trumps so called One Big Beautiful Bill is now
in its twelfth hour. Part of the reason this process
has been going on so long is that hundreds of
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the bill is still making its way over one of
the final.

Speaker 10 (23:45):
Hurdles before a full House vote.

Speaker 13 (23:48):
On the issue of Medicaid, which has been one of
the stumbling blocks so far. President Trump says his priority
is eliminating fraud, waste, and abuse. House Speaker Mike Johnson
says he wants this done by Memorial Day, meaning once
the measure gets out of the Rules Committee, a full
House vote will have to happen almost immediately.

Speaker 17 (24:06):
I'm thinking it's more going to be tomorrow afternoon before
we all get this tied up. This one big beautiful
bill and one big beautiful package that we can vote
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Speaker 13 (24:17):
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The Charlie Kirkshow It's bad All right, Welcome back to
the Charlie Kirk Show. Andrew Covid in for the one
and only Charlie Kirk. Who's headed back now, I'm told
from across the pond, so he'll be back in the
chair tomorrow with me. Right now is the great Congressman
from the great State of Texas, Representative Chip Roy. Welcome
to the show. Congressman, Thank you for taking the time.

(26:15):
I know there's a lot going on right now in
Capitol Hill. You guys in the middle of a very
contentious debate. Why don't you give us the latest I
saw with You know, your colleagues that are sort of
on the budget Hawk's side are saying the bill maybe
got worse overnight. Tell us give us an update of
what happened and where we stand.

Speaker 12 (26:35):
Well, I wouldn't say the bill got worse.

Speaker 18 (26:36):
What I would say is the prospects for the bill
got a little bit worse last night. I mean, look,
we were here all night long. I'm with the Rules Committee,
Factors still meeting. I'm looking over the screen right now,
and you know we'll continuing to try to work through
the bill. We've had multiple meetings with the Speaker, but
what happened was, look, there's a core problem.

Speaker 12 (26:53):
That we have that we want to wrestle with.

Speaker 18 (26:55):
We believe that the money laundering scheme that has been
built into the higher Medicaid operation is inflating the cost
of healthcare while making vulnerable people suffer while they're filling
the roles with able body.

Speaker 12 (27:08):
And we need to change that. And we've got to
end to the scam.

Speaker 18 (27:11):
Whether you've got these provider taxes that get put in
place and inflate all the prices and make it harder
for you to get health care and put vulnerable people
on weight lists, we think you've got to change that
or you can never get the cost of health care down.
So that's what we're trying to do. It's not even
about getting more quote savings. I'm always looking for more savings,
but it's about changing that system so you can keep

(27:33):
prices down and make the system work and then in
the end that will save a lot of money over time.

Speaker 12 (27:38):
But right now, our primary concern is.

Speaker 18 (27:40):
That you've got that issue and you've got a lot
of front loaded deficits with backloaded savings. We're trying to
compress that with Medicaid work requirements. We've had progress with
changing some of the green new scam stuff. We've had progress,
but we need to go further, and we need to
fix this Medicaid stuff.

Speaker 12 (27:58):
We're close.

Speaker 18 (27:59):
The last night it kind of went off the rails.
We had an agreement with the White House. We put
it up and we kind of worked it through the
Speaker's office and the leadership team here and we're not
gettingwhere with it. And so now we've been a little derailed.
So that's what today's about us trying to get that
back on track.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Well, in congressman, what happened around midnight? You had a
deal in what respect? What did you guys come to
an agreement on? What changed? And do we believe we
can get back to an agreement?

Speaker 12 (28:23):
Yeah, Well, we had.

Speaker 18 (28:24):
An agreement on a basic set of terms that frankly,
was on the margins of what we want right. We
want some substance of really transformative reform so that people
out there watching this you can get cheaper healthcare, Medica
can be better. What do we think that looks like
getting rid of that ridiculous seven times federal funding for
the able body to over the volvement, right.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
We should fix that.

Speaker 18 (28:45):
Well, that got taken off the table. So table last
night was a small tweak.

Speaker 12 (28:50):
Okay.

Speaker 18 (28:51):
That means shrinking down and limiting what we call provider taxes,
which are the ways that the providers gained the system
late the prices and they get federal government dollars to
fund those and inflate the prices. We want to shrink
that because it will help everybody. So we made some progress, said, okay,
we all agreed, let's drop it a little bit, and
so we did, and we had a couple of other changes,

(29:13):
all getting the weeds on, and we thought it was
a good deal, so we took that ford. The other
thing we got was we want to stop the fact
that about forty or fifty percent of the Great New
Scam subsidies continued.

Speaker 12 (29:24):
So we got a little bit shrinking down of that.
That's it.

Speaker 18 (29:27):
We didn't ask for a ton, but we thought it
was paramount to move in that direction. So that got
unfortunately kind of taken off the table this morning. So
we got to get it back.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, Congressman, I want to go back to this five
eighteen tweet. So May eighteenth, you said, you know, and
this was the day you vote to president. It was
big news. But you got the bill through committee and
that it was a big hurdle. So you did that
in good faith. But you said, you said it fails. Okay,
So the you talk about this Green new scam, it

(29:58):
fails to end the Medica money laundering scam, and then
it fails to roll back the Green new scams. Didn't
every single Republican in the House vote against the Green
new scam? Now, why would there be any tension from
the Republican caucus of the conference to not roll that
back immediately? Why are we delaying that?

Speaker 18 (30:19):
Because what happens is when you create a government program,
then what happens people then start getting jobs and make
money off those programs. So then you have members of
Congress going, well, we don't want to undo that. My
view is, look, we stop these subsidies, those people will
transition to where we want them, which is to natural

(30:41):
gas fired plants, nuclear fired plants, reliable energy, other forms
of power supply, and rather than continuing to carry out
putting solar panels and wend out there which is unreliable
and heavily subsidized and can't actually make the market without
the subsidy, So we want to get the subsidies out
of the way, but people get their pet objects. The
same thing with healthcare once you start putting the programs

(31:03):
out there, like take for example, expansion states.

Speaker 12 (31:06):
Our Probamacare forty.

Speaker 18 (31:07):
Of the fifty states expanded, so now they have these
massive roles that are growing on Medicaid Texas, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia,
and another six states.

Speaker 12 (31:16):
We didn't expand.

Speaker 18 (31:17):
So we're over here saying, hey, we're trying to save
healthcare freedom, and these other states are getting these massive
subsidies for the able body, and we're saying that ain't right.
So we want to fix that both for parity for
our states but also for the country. So that's what
happened to you people on the dole. Those roles explode.
That's the real story here with medicaid. The roles exploding

(31:39):
because we're doling out money. And by the way, unlike
Medicare and Social Security, there's no tax for Medicaid.

Speaker 12 (31:45):
It just comes out of the general fund.

Speaker 18 (31:47):
That's why medicaid went from four hundred billion to twenty
nineteen to six hundred billion this year, and it's scheduled
to be a trillion in twenty thirty. Last point, full disclosure,
my Republican colleagues. We have made progress. The bill has
moved in the we've added work requirements, but we had
to fight for that during the budget blight this last weekend.

Speaker 12 (32:04):
They weren't good enough. We made it better. We're trying
to close the deal.

Speaker 18 (32:08):
We're almost there, but to really make this work for
President Trump and Americans, we got to close the deal.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah, and Congressman, I mean I believe, I mean, we've
we've known you for a long time, even a front
of the show. You've always been very generous with your time.
I mean, I genuinely believe that that the base wants
more cuts. The base wants more cuts, and it's putting
everybody in kind of an awkward position because we want
President Trump to get his bill, and we know he

(32:34):
wants it, but we also know that actually what you
guys are fighting for is in so many ways consistent
with the things that we've heard him say, we've we've
heard come out of this administration. Why this arbitrary deadline
of Wednesday to push this vote. We're not even gonna
have a CBO score. I'm here Andy Harris's House Freedom

(32:56):
Caucus chair, is saying that it's not going to pass
right now, So why push this like in this way
if we know we don't have the votes yet, but
we're close and people like you are working in good
faith to get this to a point where it needs
to be.

Speaker 18 (33:08):
Well, it's always a double edged sword here, Like you
want to use whatever you can to try to move
a bill through and get it done, get it over
the Senate because we still have to work through them,
get it back.

Speaker 12 (33:17):
So I understand when the Speaker wants to move it.

Speaker 18 (33:19):
But whenever you play these pressure games, these jet fumes,
holiday games, I think things get a little bit dicey
and you run the risk of them all exploding. I
think we can get the bill done, I still do,
but we've got to get some changes. So you know,
we go down to the White House, We're going to
have a good conversation, hopefully the President. With this great
team we've been working a good faith together. And by
the way, with the Speaker's team, there's no animas here.

(33:41):
All this is is a team that's all trying to
work to get the job done. You know, Remember there's
some great scenes where like Peyton Manning is yelling at
like Jeff Saturday on the sideline.

Speaker 12 (33:51):
In a game, but they're good buddies. They get a
beer afterward.

Speaker 18 (33:54):
Like, Look, we're in the heat of battle and we're
kind of yelling at each other on how to win
the game. But the president's the quarterback. We're all out
there and we're wanting to follow and go get the
job done. But we need to do it the right way.
And we have a role here in Congress to do
the same thing. So that's the goal. We hope, we'll
try to do it, but we got to get it
done the right way.

Speaker 12 (34:11):
Now, just get it done.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, Congressman, I mean to be clear, however, we do
this bill, whether you guys get your concessions or whether
the moderates get their concessions, right, this is going to
expand the deficit. Correct, Okay, Well, it depends.

Speaker 18 (34:25):
On your perspective on that. I want to I'm a
just facts guy. I don't want to skew it. If
you take the CBO score and you assume the economic
growth that I think you and I and a lot
of us believe, then we assumed about two and a
half percent economic growth to create about two and a
half trillion dollars.

Speaker 12 (34:41):
Of revenue over ten years.

Speaker 18 (34:42):
If you assume that growth and you factor that into
the CBO score, you would assume we would actually have
deficit over ten years, would actually go down by about
one hundred or two hundred billion. It's kind of finger
in the ear bit, but it's heavily backweighted. So a
lot of deficits in the first five years. Not enough deficits,
I mean not enough, you know. I mean the savings

(35:03):
is all in the back years. So I'm concerned that
means we get all of the you know, desserts and
we get none of the you know, spinach. And we
need to actually get that done the right way. So
to answer your question, they're going to say a lot
of things. The Democrats, Oh my god, it's like three
trillion dollars of additional deficits. I don't think that's right.
We believe economic growth comes out of low taxes, low regulations.

(35:25):
I'm with the President that I'm with my Republican colleagues
on that, but I can't just assume it and then
assume that we're going to get all the savings in
year eight, when we're going to be having a four
hundred and fifty billion dollar deficit in twenty twenty six,
even with dynamic growth, they assume that much deficit. I've
got a problem with that, and we're trying to squeeze
that out and get expenses down.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
What about tariff income? Is that factored into the CBO
score as well?

Speaker 18 (35:51):
So it's not and that's a variable that I think
is important, right, but we're not factoring that in because
you can't. Right, it's not a law that we've voted
on the present and can move those levers around, so
you can't fully count on what that would be.

Speaker 12 (36:03):
For example, if he's successful.

Speaker 18 (36:06):
In telling Venezuela, hey, your tariff unless you take our illegals,
you know, your illegals back, or you know, if we're
doing tariffs in China or whatever, you start making success, well,
then those those revenues aren't They're going to go down,
so we can't count on them permanently. But we know
there's revenue coming in, so in the back of our minds,
we're going, okay, that's good.

Speaker 12 (36:24):
Factor that in.

Speaker 18 (36:25):
That's why I can accept some amount of early deficit numbers.
If we get the growth and the trajectory in the
right direction. But that's what we're trying to work on.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
What about so this salt deal, right which was worked
on overnight. They got it to forty thousand with a
five hundred thousand dollars income cap over ten over tenure,
but then it doesn't snap back apparently at the end. Right. So,
but I'm hearing that this thing is dead in the
water in the Senate. There's no blue state Republican center,
not at least not many of them.

Speaker 18 (36:56):
It's so it certainly would have issues in the Senate.
I recognize and believe that. I would also note that
while the many of the President's priorities, like no tax
on tips and extensions of the expensing from the tax
cuts and jobs at end in four or five years,
these go all the way through ten years and would
score at three hundred and.

Speaker 12 (37:14):
Fifty billion dollars.

Speaker 18 (37:16):
I don't think that was the right deal to cut
yesterday by the speaker.

Speaker 12 (37:20):
I think that was a mistake. The President yesterday morning.

Speaker 18 (37:22):
Came down and me and said the Republicans, look, you
Freedom Caracass guys, you got to help me out here.
Let's focus on WAYT Shroud and abuse on medican You
can't go the whole hog. And he said to the
salt guys, hey, you're not going to get you know,
more salt. Keep it where it is. Well, then we
get a deal cut with the salt guys. And I'm going, hey,
wait a minute, we're over here. We want to try
to get this done for the good of the country.

(37:43):
I'm not looking for, you know, a parochial tax benefit.
And by the way, as a Texan, there'll be some
of my constituents who would benefit from their salt deal.

Speaker 12 (37:52):
I just don't think it's a good deal.

Speaker 18 (37:54):
If our taxes are too I in Texas, we should
go down to Austin and say, hey, guys, cut the taxes.
Don't ask for the Feds to subsidize. So we got
some work to do. Hopefully we get this medicaid stuff
done today and land the plane.

Speaker 12 (38:05):
But it does need to.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Change now Medicaid to me, I mean, people don't realize
Medicaid is the fastest growing portion of the federal budget
and we are actively incentivizing really good states like Texas, Tennessee,
Florida because we're making the math. Not makes sense for
them to keep being disciplined so we're going to incentivize
them to grow the roles further. Once they come on,
as you made a point, Chip, they're going to stay on.

(38:28):
It's going to be harder to get them off. Chip.
Thank you for fighting for bounced budgets. Thank you, sir.
All right, we'll be right back.

Speaker 14 (38:43):
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Your host, Charlie Kirk. All right, welcome back to the
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and said White House, I have the team pulling the clip.
So he President Trump has the President of South Africa
in the oval and obviously there is a lot of controversy,

(39:10):
I think wrongly placed controversy over the africaners being granted
asylum in the United States. People don't like it because
they're white. Let's just be honest what it is. So
President Trump just dimmed the lights in the oval office
played this clip for the President of South Africa, brutal
videos of South Africa's leaders calling for the killing of

(39:35):
white South African farmers. He shows the burial sites of
the farmers at some point there must be killing you
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(39:57):
House right now. It's pretty remarkable. Gonna get the clip.
We'll play it back so you guys can all hear
it for yourself. I mean, but what a powerful moment
this is. This is something else. So we do have
some b roll of it. But I mean, he did
it to his face. Zelenski two point zero to his face.

(40:18):
You never know what you're gonna get with President Trump
in an oval office meeting with another head of state.
We've just simply never ever seen anything like this. But yes,
white South Africans, there's the clip right there. White South
Africans are getting targeted. Their political leaders are chanting about
killing them. They are being murdered. There's been scores of

(40:39):
them murdered and targeted. And President Trump is putting a absolute
spotlight with moral clarity on the plight of white South
African farmers being targeted because they It has been the balkanization,
the tribalization of this far left ideology, this race hatred
that has been allowed to just fest and grow in

(41:00):
South Africa. Good for President Trump to shine a light
on it like no one else could. We'll be right back,
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(42:49):
confusing one. Rama Fosa, Cyril rama Fosa. And he's sitting
in the White House with him, and he dims the
lights and he forces him to watch videos of South
African political leaders calling for the death of whites right
to his face. Three twenty five.

Speaker 5 (43:08):
Turn the lights down, turn the lights down, and just
put this on this right behind you.

Speaker 19 (43:14):
Johann's we thought you people not wand with He said,
from you from to bless them from now.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
This is very bad.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
These are the These are burial sides right here, burial
sites over a thousand of white farmers.

Speaker 12 (43:40):
And those cars.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
Are lined up to pay love.

Speaker 10 (43:45):
On a Sunday morning.

Speaker 5 (43:46):
Each one of those white things you see is across, and.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
There's approximately a thousand of them.

Speaker 12 (43:55):
They're all white farmers.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
God bless President Trump. He President Trump, I want you
guys to appreciate what you just heard or saw is
a truly historic moment. It is history unfolding before your eyes.
No other US president would have ever pulled anything like that,
and God bless him for it. It's the contrast to Joe Biden.

(44:20):
Could not be more stark, to feeble, decrepit, wandering, rudderless
Joe Biden, whose morality had been so twisted up because
of all of his far left staffers and all of
the constituencies and coalition members that he had to cater to.
There was no moral clarity. And now we have moral clarity.

(44:44):
In another way of saying it, President Trump is actually
the leader of the free world. Not only is this
he the center of the political university, he is actually
the leader of the free world, which this goes back
to what we talked about with Charlie being in the UK.
We are calling the West back to itself. We are

(45:05):
calling all of the West back to itself, to return
to its former glory. And South Africa needs to live
up to its own morality. Here Nelson Mandela. Love him
or hate him, most people seem to love him. He
fought for a more race less, colorblind less South Africa

(45:27):
where everybody was free, that has been twisted and contorted
and bastardized by the new political movements that want to
take back land from white South Africans that want to
harm and hurt them. President Trump is shoving the truth
right into Cyril's face, the president of South Africa and JD.

(45:48):
Vance going to Munich and calling Europe back to its
liberal values, the liberal values that we share in America.
Free speech, of equal application of the law, of color
blind meritocracy. Trump bringing the receipts to the White House.
Never sleep on President Trump when he's got another foreign

(46:10):
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(46:32):
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Great to see you.

Speaker 8 (52:50):
Thanks.

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Not to be confused with Barack Obama. I'm sure you
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Speaker 8 (53:05):
Tell us about it. Yeah, it's called the Atheism Kills Series.
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And what I do there is I try to show
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(53:28):
and it's not very pretty. It's going to be a
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a governing structure. And it's not hypothetical for me to
say that we have ample examples of that, both in
the world of fascism and in communism. They were so overwhelming,
The evidence was so overwhelming that this is what happens

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when you operate a government without God. It's a little
bit like that egg old egg commercial. I don't know
if you remember it, Charlie, but these eggs in a skillet,
and this is your brain. This is your brain on drugs. Well,
this is your this is your world on atheism. It's
not a pretty one. I show in these books that
atheism kills on an epic level beyond belief. Hundreds of

(54:15):
millions of people have died in the twentieth century and
are continuing to do so. That has been evidenced by
Hitler's reign and fascism. Generally speaking. Hitler was not a Christian,
by the way, and I do want.

Speaker 9 (54:27):
To bid into that later. Yeah, that's one that I
get sure quite often.

Speaker 8 (54:30):
Oh, it's an easy response. Communism, of course, was by
definition atheist. You have to be an atheist in order
to actually adopt communism. It was the engine of communism.
Alexander Soljanetian, the great Soviet dissonent, said that atheism was
the central pivot of communism. It could not exist without atheism. Naturally,

(54:56):
they wanted to get rid of religion altogether, because religion
was the ultimate three to the government. That they wanted
you to completely be subservient to the government systems. And
therefore what you have to do is just abandon religion altogether.
And that's what they largely successfully did in the Soviet
Union and to some extent in China. But these are

(55:16):
really horrific regions, and we need to understand that aside
from that which is bad enough, it also destroys everything
else that we value, things like truth and logic and science,
the concept of family, the concept of relationships, the concept
of free speech, for example. All these things derive because
of our belief in God and our values in that.

(55:38):
Even our sense of beauty, our sense of storytelling, of
music and art. None of these things would exist without God.
And one of the things that I always love to
ask people to do is to simply ask this question
why are things the way they are? Why do we
love music? And if I were to ask you to

(55:59):
our what music you like, I'm going to get an
answer classical. Yeah, you might like classical, somebody might like
hip hop, somebody like rock and roll. Likewise, if I
were to turn to you and I said, you know, Charlie,
I got a great story for you, you lean forward
and you say uh huh. You won't respond by saying, oh, thanks, Brock.
But I'm not a story kind of guy, right, But

(56:21):
that only exists among humans. We don't see that in
animals whatsoever. There is no music in the animal kingdom,
no storytelling, no sense of the past or the future,
no sense of ancestry or to send this, no sense
of obligation. And these are questions worth asking? Why do
we have them?

Speaker 12 (56:40):
So?

Speaker 1 (56:40):
I love all this.

Speaker 9 (56:41):
By the way, as you know, this is partially my
life's work too, inspired by our mutual friend Dennis Praeger,
which is arguing for the necessity of God, not just
the existence of God, which I want to build out.
But let's take a step back. What about you? What
got you into this line of work? And I have
a more technical question, So who are you? And why
are you interested in atheism and its consequences so much?

Speaker 8 (57:00):
Well, in many ways, I'm fighting myself. When I was
much younger, I was an atheist. I decided when I
was eleven years old, I was an atheist. And I
decided I must be brilliant because of that, because I
figured it out and nobody else could. Then I went
to college, and I went to Stanford, and I decided
to write my thesis on proving that religion has caused

(57:22):
more wars and destruction than anything else. And I set
about to just go ahead numerically to prove my point.
But as I went about this, Charlie, I discovered I
was wrong, like dead wrong, and I was embarrassed, and
I decided that my thesis would be entirely the opposite,

(57:42):
proving how indeed atheism was the center of all destruction
and killing in Mayhem.

Speaker 9 (57:48):
And what really changed your mind?

Speaker 8 (57:51):
Reading The Brothers Karamazov by Dusty As Yeah, Yeah, what
about that? He showed me that I was shallow in
my thinking as an eightth that really there is no
free will, There is no sense of consciousness without God.
And I believe in free.

Speaker 9 (58:08):
Will, but I'm told nothing good ever comes out of Russia,
a terrible place. I'm told that it's just a gas
station of nuclear weapons.

Speaker 8 (58:13):
Right there, you go.

Speaker 9 (58:14):
I'm kidding a new heart. Russian literature can be very
amazing but very telling.

Speaker 8 (58:18):
It's dark, and I always say that, you Knowstevskt is
fantastic because you know, people think that he's very brooding
and dark.

Speaker 9 (58:24):
And I haven't spent much time with him. I know
the concepts obviously, but.

Speaker 8 (58:27):
He's actually it's very uplifting. These books. Surprising this so
Crime Punishment, fantastic book, very uplifting in the end. Same
with the Karamazov But I've read these books and I
and I decided that I was really a believer. But
here was the problem I had. You know, in college
you end up kind of milling about with a lot

(58:48):
of philosophical issues. You meet some religious people. Not I
knew some these four guys who were evangelical Christians, and
we'd always banter about the existence of God. And I
said there was no God, and they said there was
and such, but we were very respectful each other. I have
to pat myself on the back about that. And then
when I discovered that there was a God, and I

(59:09):
remember going I decided that I was going to go
to tell them that I believed in God. And as
I did so, my legs felt very heavy. I couldn't walk.
It was the weirdest thing. I didn't know why this
was happening to me, but I figured out the reason why.
I realized that things were about to change. This is

(59:31):
changing your belief to understand that there's a God, a creator,
somebody who loves you, and something that you are responsible for.
It changes your entire sense of obligation. Everything changes about you. Yeah,
and so this is not like I decided I'm going
to change my football loyalty to the Patriots versus the stealers. Right,

(59:52):
It's not like that. This is a world change. Everything
had to change, and that's why they felt so heavy. Then, I,
like I said, I've been fighting myself. These books that
I write is more of a way to be able
to convince myself I'm the best fighter for atheism. Oddly enough,

(01:00:12):
I always say I can out atheist any atheist. I've
got all the arguments down. I sometimes improve people's atheist
arguments and then I shoot it down.

Speaker 9 (01:00:21):
You have to help me. Yeah, I encountered all the
time on the camphasis.

Speaker 8 (01:00:24):
Yeah, So I encourage people to really ask themselves why
there is a God? Seek out God. It's wonderful to
believe in God, it really is, But to find him
that's another story.

Speaker 9 (01:00:36):
Would you call yourself a Christian?

Speaker 8 (01:00:38):
I know I'm Jewish, okay, yeah, but I deeply, deeply appreciate.

Speaker 9 (01:00:45):
I mean a Christianity. Likewise, I just I wanted to
would you say that you came in contact with God
or the idea of God or the concept because coming
into a relationship with God is usually Christian language. That's
that's why I, oh.

Speaker 8 (01:00:58):
I see no Judaism. We have a relationship with God, absolutely,
It's Rabbis will often ask you, what's your relationship, how
is your relationship with God? Tell me about that depth
or of the relationship, and it's it's no different. In Christianity.
We're very solid. So I came to that realization. So
I started off first, you know, understand that there must

(01:01:21):
be a creator, and I recommend this if you want
to convince your non believing friends. Take it methodically. Start
off with is there a creator? Forget about the God
of the Old Testament, God of the New Testament, the
laws yeahlyvitical laws and forget about all that believe it
aside is there a creator with a capital C? And

(01:01:42):
you'll ultimately have to come to the conclusion that, of
course there is. It's it's obvious. The math demands that
the probabilities demand it.

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Speaker 8 (01:04:25):
It's frankly, it's silly not to believe blames the creator. Okay,
so there's three different things that I love to talk about.
The chances of the universe coming into fruition by itself randomly,
that is, and that is something on the order of
one out of ten to the sixty fourth or twenty.

(01:04:45):
It's obscene that I can't imagine the amount of zeros
that are involved. Likewise, then that the Earth would be formed,
the universe would form in the way it has formed,
meaning with the gashes and slidifying of the planets and
the orbits around them. That it doesn't have to be.

(01:05:05):
I mean, it could have been that this universe would
be entirely gas and nothing more. But instead we have
the laws of physics and the laws of chemistry and
so on. So these are things that again the probabilities
of that would be absurd, And now you have to
multiply those two fractions in order to make it together.
So the chances of the universe beginning in the first

(01:05:27):
place and creating the universe as it did, then you
have to go There are many other steps in between,
But the next one I like to talk about is
the chances of life forming by itself randomly, And that
indeed also is one out of ten to the one
hundred and twenty fifth.

Speaker 9 (01:05:44):
I think it was some obscene number.

Speaker 8 (01:05:47):
And again you have to multiply that new fraction to
the previous.

Speaker 9 (01:05:50):
The probability would be if you stuck, if you stacked
nickels all across the United States, Yeah, from here to
the moon, times a thousand and one of them was
a red scent. Were blindfolded, could you find that one
red sea. That's the likelihood of just life, right, just
like the fine tuning of the universe itself. So you
say fine tuning of universe, fine tuning of Earth, fine
tuning of life. So there's three gradations of improbability.

Speaker 8 (01:06:13):
Right? Is that feel exactly?

Speaker 9 (01:06:15):
And then you get to a place where you need
a quantum computer for the number.

Speaker 8 (01:06:19):
Right, exactly right, it is a big, big number. And
not only that, but you have to then go into
the question of evolution, right, that that somehow we could
explain the intelligence in life, yes, and the kind of
intelligent life we have today, that it evolved to this point.
That's another absurd fraction. So at some point you have

(01:06:41):
to say this is silly. It's a you know, the
old watch on the beach analogy, which is a very
apt analogy. It's very fair. You have to assume that
there's a creator, somebody who left that watch on the beach,
somebody who created that watch and so on, and you're
not just seeing something that was created there by the
waves and the sand.

Speaker 9 (01:06:58):
Do you do this is not the worth our time
to do more than twenty seconds. Do you believe in
evolution or do you believe in creation of man?

Speaker 8 (01:07:06):
I believe in creation of me.

Speaker 9 (01:07:07):
I do too, And that's we'll have you on for
a different time because I think that Look, I'm not
even saying if you believe in evolution, you're necessarily a
bad person. I just personally have the belief of creation.

Speaker 8 (01:07:19):
Yeah, people try to shoehorn evolution in many ways. They
want to have it both ways. They want to say, well,
I believe in evolution, but it's directed by God. I
have a tough time with that, and it could be
right again. I don't anyway that. I'm just curious kind
of where you're coming coming from. And so the math
is insurmountable and improbable. Right, what would you have to say.

Speaker 9 (01:07:39):
Then when a non believer I'm going to put a
pin in that word atheist because I want to get
back to that in a second, says that there's multiverses.

Speaker 8 (01:07:48):
Okay, Well, the multiverse argument is a manufactured argument design
only because they understand the fine tuning difficulties.

Speaker 9 (01:07:57):
They say, the heart true atheist. No, that is the
hardest argument.

Speaker 8 (01:08:01):
That is the hardest argument. And so here they say, well,
there are a bunch of other universes.

Speaker 9 (01:08:05):
Correct, which is which is a profession of faith.

Speaker 8 (01:08:07):
There is no evidence of zero evidence, and there might
be an infinity number of universes, don't you know, Charlie.
So therefore there is a greater chance. Therefore that intelligent
life and the way the universe was formed in our
universe is that would happen in this universe. But that
is side stepping the issue. That is that is a
false argument. It's a it's a cowardly argument. It does

(01:08:31):
not reason whatsoever using reason itself. Which is interesting because
one of the things that you learn from I think
you mentioned Frank Turk before. He's a great, a great
argument and he he makes the argument and you know,
the classical argument that there's a difference between materialism and immaterialism.
Materialism is what I used to believe in as an atheist,

(01:08:54):
and most atheists have to believe this, that there's only
what we know by seeing, touching, hearing, feeling, tasting, and
so on. Uh, that is it. And if you can't
do that, well then it doesn't exist. But they themselves
live in a world where they deal with the immaterial
all the time, like how do you how do you
smell logic? How do you taste? Science?

Speaker 9 (01:09:17):
So true?

Speaker 8 (01:09:18):
Right? How do you feel music? There's a whole.

Speaker 9 (01:09:21):
Bunch of different only feel to effects.

Speaker 8 (01:09:24):
Right, it's effects, we know it's there. And yet they
they accept themselves philosophy, right, I mean, how do you
how do you love it?

Speaker 9 (01:09:31):
With that?

Speaker 8 (01:09:33):
So and even the concept that when many atheists will
say there's no free will, they in fact they have
to say if they're an intelligent atheist like you mentioned,
an intelligent and honest atheist has to say that there
is no free why because free will can only be
given to you by a creator. It cannot evolve by yourself.

(01:09:54):
It's it's free for me. It's also like anything else,
you cannot if you don't believe in the idea of
evolution coming by itself, you can't have.

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it would just be nothing more than a bunch of effects.

Speaker 8 (01:14:00):
That's right, that's right. It's tough enough to to somehow
for an atheist to explain how life was triggered by itself,
but then to also say that there's free will in
that process, through evolution or otherwise, it's impossible.

Speaker 9 (01:14:12):
Would you agree free will is fundamental to Judaism? Yes, yes,
I agree. I think that's right. And I would say
Christianity as well, and I know Christians I don't believe
in free will, but that's that's not the base of
the sty.

Speaker 8 (01:14:24):
Yeah, I don't understand that. If there's no free will,
then you know, I always say, if somebody's going to
argue that with me, well, if I if I'm punching
the face right now, are you going to get upset?
And they'll say, of course, I am, well why would you?
I couldn't help myself. So we inherently recognize free will
and once and that was the thing that opened the
door to God for me in the first place. Once
I realized that there was such a thing as free will,

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I knew.

Speaker 9 (01:14:47):
That I was How did they do that conclusion? I
sensed it?

Speaker 8 (01:14:51):
I know that I free will?

Speaker 9 (01:14:52):
Was it a faith claim? Because some people say free
will is a faith meaning you must you can't prove it,
but you must believe you have it.

Speaker 8 (01:14:59):
I think that's fair to say. I don't think I
think that not only do I my own agent, but
I'm also accountable for my actions. If you don't believe
in free will, then you don't believe you have the agency,
and therefore that you don't have accountability for your actions.
And that's what's so tempting, Charlie about atheism is that

(01:15:21):
that's its major gift to the atheist is that you
don't have to be accountable. Right, It's an addiction. I say,
non accountability is the greatest addiction that there is. All
other addictions flow from that. So the temptation to say
it's simply dismiss anything any responsibility. So if you are

(01:15:43):
an atheist, then I always ask, why don't you just
sex it up, booze it up, gamble as much as
want lie in, cheat and steel. Yeah, Well, those who
do are generally speaking atheists, is what I found. I've
done a lot of research on this because I'm really
fascinated by it, and a lot of these are correlations,
but the correlations are very strong. The chances of you

(01:16:08):
being an atheist if you are somebody who routinely commits adultery,
routinely steals, routinely cheats on a test. You are very
highly likely to be an atheist. If you are a
serial murderer, if you engage in mass killings, if you
are a member of the drug carteales, the sex cartels,

(01:16:29):
or the mafia, you are certainly an atheist. You do
not have God in your life. You may not call
yourself an atheist, but you.

Speaker 9 (01:16:35):
Definitely might even use Christian symbols.

Speaker 8 (01:16:38):
Well, like like in the Well The Godfather, for example,
which i is one of my favorite movies.

Speaker 9 (01:16:42):
I think it's one of your Yeah, it's beautiful.

Speaker 8 (01:16:44):
It's a beautiful movie. It's a fantastic story, but it
does a little bit of a disservice to Christianity because
that's not what Yeah, I think, I think you're right.

Speaker 9 (01:16:53):
Look me, do you differentiate between agnostic atheists and secularism
or those three things all sent them in your review?

Speaker 8 (01:17:01):
The agnostic? I do differentiate that there's the atheist who
says that there is no God declared position.

Speaker 9 (01:17:08):
You notice they're not saying that as much anymore.

Speaker 8 (01:17:10):
Yeah, you brought that up the other day, and I'm
fascinated about that. I want to live the two examples. Yeah, please.

Speaker 9 (01:17:15):
Bill Maher on his show said no, no, we just
don't know. Yeah, And I said, what agnostism? He says
that doesn't exist. We're all just one of the same.
Atheism means you don't know. And then Brett Weinstein on
Tucker Carlson's podcast said, we just don't know the answer
to a lot of these things, which is so amazing
to me because when I grew up Hitchens and Sam
Harris and Dawkins was always like you, no, we know,

(01:17:38):
we don't we know there is none. Do you think
I'm just overly emphasized over noticing language diction choice here
or is there something else going on here? Look?

Speaker 8 (01:17:46):
If Bill Maher and Wan Sin are saying that there's
only two data place, though, but if they are emblematic
of many.

Speaker 9 (01:17:52):
Others, they are near the top echelon of non god thinking,
it's godless thinking.

Speaker 8 (01:17:59):
Look, it's always catch me if you can sort of
approach in atheistic ideology. They always say that, well, on
the one hand, I don't know about whether or not
there's a God. On the other hand, there is some
possibility of this one way or the other. But they
never quite You can't really pin them down. They're like
pinning jello to the wall in terms of their positions.

(01:18:21):
For example, when they start talking about most religions or
most wars are caused by religion, then you confront them
with the fact that ninety three percent of wars in
recorded history have all been non religious. Is that right? Yeah,
that's right, and about half of the religious ones for
Muslim base.

Speaker 9 (01:18:38):
We're going to put that in our campus tour, so
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just reference to shut these things up. So you're going
to send me the citation.

Speaker 8 (01:18:47):
Absolutely, it's in the It's like Pitia of wars. So wow,
it's a very straightforward.

Speaker 9 (01:18:53):
Please send everything, so please continue.

Speaker 8 (01:18:56):
So they go all over the place. You never quite
know where the atheist is landing, but they want to
always in every way. They want to say that they
believe in morality, for example, and then you ask them,
what is morality? Why does that matter to you? There
is no morality in atheism, there's no accountability in atheism,
but they want to insist that there is morality. When
I was an atheist, Charlie, again, I was an honest atheist.

(01:19:18):
I did not believe morality. I thought, look, whatever you
can get away with so much the better for you.
I will play by the rules because I don't want
to go to jail, and that's about it. And murdering
somebody is no more significant than stealing some gum from
a seven to eleven store. And that was terrifying to

(01:19:41):
me when I realized that. It was liberating when I
discovered that God does expect us to have morality, and.

Speaker 9 (01:19:47):
He watches everything you do everything.

Speaker 8 (01:19:49):
And the atheist knows it too. That's the problem I
have with the atheist. He knows all these things. He lives,
he tries to live, or it claims to live in
a moral world where he doesn't want to cheat last
deal and someone doesn't want to commit adultery on his wife.
But at the same time, his worldview allows him to

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do all those things without consequence.

Speaker 9 (01:20:12):
They will say so. The more articulate evolutionary biologists like Weinstein,
who I actually think he actually is more respectful towards
this topic than most, I have to give him a
lot of credit. He had a good conversation with Tucker.
He would say, we derive our morality based on if
everybody else did it, yes, would it be beneficial to
the group? Right? So, for example, if everyone committed adultere,

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it'd be bad for the tribe. If everyone killed, it
would be bad for the tribe. If everyone stole to
be bad for the tribe. And out of that we
get a belief in the golden rule. How would you.

Speaker 8 (01:20:43):
Yeah, I get this a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:20:45):
Sure.

Speaker 9 (01:20:45):
At which is it's bad for you? Right, it's evolutionarily bad.

Speaker 8 (01:20:49):
Right, Yeah, It's necessarily important to be able to enjoy
festivals and music and such, because that's evolution. It's also
good that we don't kill each other. I call this
the great Mexican standoff argument, where I don't kill you
because I don't want you to kill me. I don't
steal from you. I don't want you because I don't
want people to steal from me. It's it's a cute argument,

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but it doesn't understand. It doesn't have a basis of morality.
There's if morality is relative, then if I decide something
is good for me, then I will do something awful
to you and still feel good about it. I'll give
you an example, and I say this in my book
Atheism Kills, where if I'm up for promotion a job,

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and let's say I'm an older guy. I'm forty five
years old, and there's this young guy who's, you know,
twenty eight years old, and he's up for promotion, and
so am I. But I've got four kids and I've
got a gambling debt, and I got to get this job.
If I don't get this job, I'm out in the streets.
What's what's a big deal? If I just put some

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porn on his computer at work, right, it's not criminal
per se. But I need that job and he doesn't.
I got to take care of my family. That's logical.
Everything I said was logical. And he will call him Bobby,
mister twenty eight year old. Well he'll he'll get another
job one day. No big deal. He's got plenty of opportunity.

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That's logic. And that is the mindset of a Skolnikop.
For example, in Crime of Punishment, where he decides to
kill his landlady because he decides that she's a burden
to society. He'll be doing the society of favor. See
when you allow that sort of thinking, horrific things.

Speaker 9 (01:22:37):
Happen and you murder all the down syndrome babies, that's right,
but so they do in Iceland. Absolutely, you must have
bored a downstair. Oh I did not know that. Yeah,
it's by law you have to. They basically eradicated down
syndrome in Iceland and they brag about it. Wow, because
why would you want a down syndrome baby? Right, there's
nothing more than a leech on society. They can't harvest
or think or create.

Speaker 8 (01:22:57):
It's it's frightening to see the way that atheists will
logic themselves into positions. And that's why we need a
universal morality that it's a language that we should all
be able to speak. But they will steal it from us,
they will claim it for themselves.

Speaker 9 (01:23:11):
I could talk to you for hours about this, and
I want to let me. Can you crisply describe atheism
if you had to give you when you when you
encounter it? Because I asked this for a reason is
now we're going to get into some of the heavier
stuff of the twentieth century. Sure, what is atheism? And
therefore how could you ascribe that to Hitler and Stalin

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and all of that.

Speaker 8 (01:23:34):
So let's do to me atheism and the way I
perceived it. The way I ran my life with it
is that there are no gods or God, and specifically
the Judaea Christian God does not exist, and we are
best to not live by the teachings of Judaya Christianity
because it has held us back. That is the way

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I define atheism.

Speaker 9 (01:23:58):
So the atheism is somewhat of a new phenomenon. Though
in the ancient world were there atheists.

Speaker 8 (01:24:06):
Very few, I mean, if there were, they did.

Speaker 9 (01:24:08):
Give me the history of atheism, we'll get into the
last one hundred fifty years.

Speaker 8 (01:24:11):
Atheism principally did not exist until the eighteen eighties or
so as a practical.

Speaker 9 (01:24:17):
Reality because of a lot of scientific and Russian.

Speaker 8 (01:24:20):
Innovations and a lot of philosophical philosophies from the German university.

Speaker 9 (01:24:25):
It's always the Germans, right blank. It's always the Germans,
you know.

Speaker 8 (01:24:29):
So what it was in the Simpsons is anybody who
speaks German can't be that bad. So anyway, the point
is that they created this, they made it more noble,
and the idea somehow that it was majestic, and so
that kind of gained favor across the Atlantic in America
and they started adopting this as well, and they thought, well, look,

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we already have a great society, and we need to advance.
We need to move to the next step. The way
they viewed religion is in much of the way we
might view a caterpillar that turns into butterfly. You don't
need the cocoon anymore, right, fly away, my dear butterfly.
And that's the way they thought themselves before.

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Speaker 8 (01:28:14):
Getting rid of the shackles of God and Christianity and Judaism.
Thank you very much, but we don't need you anymore. Yep,
only to discover that it's more like being in an
airplane at thirty thousand feet and deciding you don't need
a pilot, an engine, or for that matter, of wings anymore.
That's what it's like. So we need to understand that

(01:28:39):
without God, horrific things happen. It's it's the very building
block of civilization.

Speaker 9 (01:28:43):
Wasn't Hitler Christian?

Speaker 8 (01:28:44):
It was not Christian?

Speaker 9 (01:28:47):
This really?

Speaker 8 (01:28:49):
Oh yeah, for sure. Oh in the belt buckles. Don't
never forget the belt buckles. Okay, so this is fascinating
this all the time. Yeah, oh yeah, So in my
comp he made a reference to Jesus. However, that was it. Okay.
You would think that if he was a Christian, and
if Nazism and Fascism operated on the fuel of Christianity,

(01:29:11):
you would think that maybe once in a while they
would raise a cross in their parades. They didn't. They
raised something I consider a crooked cross, a twisted cross
into a swastika, which.

Speaker 9 (01:29:23):
Is actually an Indian symbol. Yeah, exactly like an Indian.

Speaker 8 (01:29:25):
That's weird. I don't tell you to know that something
quite the connection between you India.

Speaker 9 (01:29:29):
They have SATs because all over the place it's like
inverted right right, yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 8 (01:29:34):
He didn't do that. Secondly, he wrote extensively about his
contempt of Christianity. Contempt, so he said that not only
was Christianity a feeble religion, he actually used those words.
He had contempt for Judaism. Of course, he tried to
slaughter everyone. He was more than happy to get rid
of Christianity as well. That was his next goal. Oh yeah,

(01:29:56):
very much. So he was already getting rid of a
lot of Christians in the in the amps, it wasn't
just Jews.

Speaker 9 (01:30:02):
Jehovah's witnesses were targeted. Yes, it was Gypsies, homosexuals, Jews,
and Jehovah's witnesses of all people. Forget that, Yeah they
do well.

Speaker 8 (01:30:10):
Jehovah's witnesses were fantastic in the saving and rescuing of Jews.

Speaker 9 (01:30:13):
No, I know. But Jehovah's witness were like in the
camp like they were, Yes, very much. Say a lot
of Jehovah's witness died a lot.

Speaker 8 (01:30:18):
They were very vocal against the Nazi hi so they
could not hold themselves.

Speaker 9 (01:30:23):
Back and any other Christians suffered greatly because of it.

Speaker 8 (01:30:26):
With difference to Christians and I understand, look at me,
it was a tough time. They could. I don't expect
people to go you.

Speaker 9 (01:30:32):
Know, No, it was a great failing in the American Church.
Now I'm very clear. Yeah, and Bonhoffer is one of
the great legends of the twentieth century.

Speaker 8 (01:30:39):
So, and one of the thing about Hitler is that
people don't know this. He loved Islam. He said that
it was a great shame that.

Speaker 9 (01:30:48):
Germany graded some of them into the military. Y, yes, yes,
he did free era or something, that's right.

Speaker 8 (01:30:54):
He said, what a shame it was that Germany had
adopted Christianity, which was a feeble religion, and into him,
and that it would have been better for Germany to
have adopted a much more strong another strong word that
he used. I forget what it was, something like robust
religions such as Muhammedism. That's what he called it, Mohammedism.

Speaker 9 (01:31:12):
That's what I call it. Yeah, as a pejorative.

Speaker 8 (01:31:15):
Yeah, well he meant it as a as a compliment.
But of course we all know.

Speaker 9 (01:31:20):
That Hitler really call it Mohammedism. Yeah. Yeah, that's so funny.

Speaker 8 (01:31:24):
Yeah, it's it's a weird uh. His look, Hitler was
people want to say, he.

Speaker 9 (01:31:28):
Was with them all the time. But I mean there
is a weird, disturbing fringe of the internet people that
are trying to like White Knight Hitler. Yeah, and some
of these people pretend to be Christian. And he hated
Christianity absolutely, but then again at the same time, like,
oh no, he was actually Christian. He worked great with
the church. There's it's the opposite of the Islamic one.

(01:31:49):
That's very interesting. Got along with Islam because I also
find some people are disturbingly friendly with Islam. That's actually
a really, really good segue. So let me ask you
a critical potential. I agree everything you're saying. It's your
website says a world about God is a world of chaos.
But then Who's God? Is it Allah? Is it you know?
Is it Jehovah? Is it Adami? Is it you know Jesus?

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Is it Buddha?

Speaker 8 (01:32:14):
Right?

Speaker 9 (01:32:15):
Do you believe in monotheism?

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
Is that?

Speaker 9 (01:32:17):
Is that the essence monotheism?

Speaker 8 (01:32:18):
When I speak about God, I don't want to keep
on in my books and otherwise I define it quite
well in atheist and kills and atheism destroyers that when
I say believe in God, I'm talking about the Judeo
Christian God. I think Judas and Christianity are one of
the same. In this department, we share the Old Testament,
what we call the Torah and and the took. Thank

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you great. You know your stuff really well, but it's
it's it's great. And I feel like my Christian friends
are my brothers. I love them and we talk together
about how God is real and finding him, and it
gives me no greater joy, Charlie than to find yet
another proof of God, so beyond just my own internal observations,

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when somebody else reasons with me with that, like some
of your comments have been very helpful, Charlie, Frank Turrek
as as you mentioned a person, Gerald Schroeder. He wrote
The Science of God, which is a fantastic book as well.
I just I just eat this up. But I write
about the dangers of atheism because it's look, I you know,

(01:33:24):
I'll talk about God all day long, how wonderful God is,
and how God is real, but my main focus is
why atheism is so destructive you can't just believe.

Speaker 9 (01:33:32):
And it's a great school of work that you've positioned.

Speaker 8 (01:33:35):
Your thank you, Thank you. Yeah, I don't know any
anybody else really focusing on.

Speaker 9 (01:33:38):
Well, let's talk about friend Dennis, right, and we should
pray for Dennis. Okay, I'll be back in studio in
America tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing you soon. Email me
Freedom at Charliekirk dot com, got bline

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