The Charlie Kirk Show, May 28, 2025

Commentary on Jake Tapper, Turning Point college classes, truth of Jesus, and Charlie speaking at Cambridge

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
The Charlie Kirk Show starts.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:21):
Well, it shows you as consumer confidence rebounding in the
month of May. This comes after five straight months of decline.
A White House spokesperson released the statement. It says, despite
doomsday prophesizing, President Trump's America First economic agenda continues to
pay off. He goes on to say today's consumer confidence
report reflects multiple solid inflation and jobs reports that Americans

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have seen under Trump, as well as a GDP report
that showed a whopping twenty two percent spike in gross
domestic investment in the first quarter of twenty five.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
I couldn't be more pleased to announce that, as of today,
the COVID vaccine for healthy children and healthy pregnant women
has been removed from the CDC recommended immunization schedule. Last year,
the Biden administration urged healthy children to get yet another
COVID shot, despite the lack of any political data to

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support the repeat booster strategy in children.

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That ends today.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
Democrats are in a huge bit of trouble. Like this
is just there's no way to look at this without
recognizing the massive scale of our problems. We are losing
ground with the fastest growing parts of the population, younger
voters and Latinos, and that that is a party they
can win an election every once in a while if
the star is aligned correctly. But that is a party
that will look a lot like the Democratic Party from

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the sixties until the nineties, and maybe can win when
Nixon gets impeached and reside when Nixon resigns, and we
win that election and then we lose the next the
next twelve years.

Speaker 6 (01:56):
I plan on going to Nashville in the near future,
and I sat that from day one that you know,
we're going to hit every sanctuary city.

Speaker 7 (02:03):
Everybody wants to push back again size, We're going to
pay a.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Lot of attention to him because why that's not a thread.

Speaker 8 (02:09):
But if you don't support criminal aliens walking this train, then.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
We know there's a problem there.

Speaker 9 (02:14):
I think the degree to which the team around President
Biden was hiding him and sequestering him mainly starting in
the fall of twenty twenty three cannot be overstated. There's
a cabinet meeting in October twenty twenty three, and then
several cabinet members told us for the book they never
saw him again in person for months and months and

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months he was kept away from them.

Speaker 10 (02:40):
The purpose of education is not to have an endless
buffet line for students to sample every bad idea in
the world. Is to point them to the good, the true,
and the beautiful. And I think we've lost what the
purpose education is. Education in Latin literally means to leave forth,
to leave forth out of the cave, was the original analogy.
And so at Turning Point Academy, we take the biblical
idea to train its piled up in the ways in

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which they will go. And we make no apologies for
instituting a belief that believing is in God is better
than secularism. The defense of universal human equality is a
good for all humanity, amongst many other things that you
are tactility.

Speaker 9 (03:13):
It is a scandal, Yes, it is.

Speaker 11 (03:16):
It is.

Speaker 9 (03:17):
It is without question, and maybe even worse than Watergate
in some way, right because Richard Nixon was in control
of his faculties when he wasn't drinking.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Let's face, it wasn't Biden.

Speaker 9 (03:29):
Elizabeth Warren controlled the auto pen during that administration.

Speaker 8 (03:32):
Professor Tribe, what is your response to Donald Trump's latest attack? Well,
it's really hard, Lawns to nowhere to begin he's obviously unhinged.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
He has no idea what he's talking about.

Speaker 8 (03:46):
He just thinks that slinging around frankly bs about the
people at Harvard and other institutions will somehow substitute for
taking the law into account at Turning Point USA.

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Speaker 10 (05:23):
Okay, everybody, radio stations across the country. We are here
at the Mobile Bitcoin dot Com studio, here in the
Imperial Capital of Washington, d C. Now, I asked my
team when we were landing in DC, which one do
I disdain more, Washington, DC or London and London one
Just for the record, So I'm actually happier to be

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in Washington, d C. Than in London because at least
in this town we have President Donald Trump in office.
We have Cash Battel, we have Dan Bongino, we have
Pam Bondy, we have Bobby Kennedy, bit boy. This place
is not my favorite. I will take I will say

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this though, I will definitely take Spanish over the Arabic
outside stores. I will say that I would much rather
have a nice little bodega of some guy from Nicaragua
that at least believes in Jesus and doesn't want to
conquer the entire Western world than what I saw in London.

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Take it. It's not ideal, but I'll definitely take it.
The city definitely does feel different than from Biden's term.
The city finally has life. A lot of people are
back in town and things are happening, and there's a
hustle and there's a bustle. The biggest change, honestly, is
not even that political that under Biden, the city couldn't
shake that ridiculous like long COVID depressing wearing masks all

(06:56):
the time thing. I mean, I remember visiting DC like
late summer twenty twenty three. It was the only visit
that I had while Biden was president of DC. I
literally avoided DC for four years for except for one day,
and everyone was still wearing masks, and everyone was still
walking around with masks. I said, what is going on here?

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So there's definitely a more hopeful vibe in DC. But
I could tell you, and we're going to get into
some very promising news here from the New York Times.
It is so hard to realign a government back to
constitutional purposes. This place wears you down, This place grinds

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you down to a halt. It exists, the permanent machine.
Bureaucracy exists to extinguish the will of a well meaning
mister Smith goes to Washington. The bureaucracy intentionally plays things slow.

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It intentionally will obviuskate, it will delay, it will shrug
its shoulders, it will say it has to go to
a certain committee. It is a war of attrition, you see,
the permanent deep state bureaucracy. They say, oh, really, you
guys want to doze us, you want to cut our spending,

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We will outlast you. We're going to be here despite
when there's elections. And that actually was the original intent
of Woodrow Wilson, the Wilsonian view of government, which is
to have a technocracy of elites, of the ruling class,
of the philosopher kings, as Plato would say, that they're

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going to be there permanently and elections matter less and less.
And that is one of the questions that is in
front of us. And this is exactly why I want
to get into this idea of triple trending counties. It's
a theme that we talk about a lot here on
this program because what we're seeing unfold Washington, DC. And
I was meeting with some White House staff last night
and are working so hard and they deserve such credit

(09:03):
because the energy alone just to get basic stuff done,
it will It will take your entire afternoon to just
get a very simple thing done. Where in the private
sector at Turning Point, USA, I say it and it
gets done. I want to have an event on this day, Yes, Charlie,
we'll do that. Thank you. We want to have this speaker, Yes,

(09:24):
we will do that.

Speaker 14 (09:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (09:26):
Where in this White House? Because of the deep state government,
It's like I want to go to Saudi Arabia, Well
you might have to do this, this, this, and only
because of President Trump's brute force is he able to
be this productive. Remember is Joe Biden staffers that came
out and they said, I wish we worked for a
White House when Joe Biden was president. That was as agile,
that was as problem solving as entrepreneurial as President Trump.

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But the struggle in front of us is will elections
continue matter or will elections be ceremonial? No different than
putting in the King of England as someone who's there
to greet Super Bowl champions, cut ribbons, fly around the
country and be nothing more than a glorified spokesperson for

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the country. Are we looking at a similar presidency that
is a presidency and name only, no different than the
monarchy in the United Kingdom. The New York Times did
a amazing story this last weekend, and I got to
be honest, every so often, the New York Times just
crushes it with their data analysis. You just got to
you got to call strikes the New York Times, which

(10:39):
by the way, is like the least radical of all
the rags. The Washington Post has gone. I mean, there's
so many of these that are just gone. The New
York Times every so often has a little glimmer of
hope that they still are holding on too, wanted to
be a respectable newspaper. And Andrew will tell you we
deal with reporters in every single major outlet. At least
the New York Times will allow us to talk to him.
Some of these major outls they won't even take your

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phone call anyway. So what the New York Times did
is they did a story of how all the counties, basically,
how many counties have been moving right in America in
the last three presidential elections. And that what was so
interesting about what the New York Times did well The
New York Times that as they analyze the twenty sixteen,
the twenty twenty, and the twenty twenty four electoral map,

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because that is now three election cycles over the course
of a decade of whether or not this is a
permanent right wing shift in our country. And the visuals
are very powerful. We're gonna put them up on screen.
They are dramatic, and they coined a term, and I
like it and I want to emphasize it. Let's get
the actual national map up on screen. So what you're
seeing here is the percentage with a college degree by

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county that shifted right. If you're on podcasting or radio,
We're going to put this up on screen. But the
big one is two twenty. Let's put two twenty up
on screen. I want to get this framed in our
office because that just goes to show the behemoth of
the work that we accomplished at Turning Point Action. Alongside
obviously President Trump and the entire team and the social
media juggernaut, the entire country moved to the right. It's

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not just one localized area. Now, there were some places
in America that moved to the left. Let's put this
up on screen. The suburbs of Atlanta, big problems everybody huge.
In fact, the suburbs of Atlanta were and the ex
serbs of Atlanta were the most left leaning, left tilting
per capita of any counties in the country in the
last three election cycles. The suburbs of Denver, Santa fe

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New Mexico, a couple places in Oklahoma, a couple places
in Central Indiana. And so we have a Georgia problem.
We're going to diagnose that. We're going to do an
entire show on that at a different time. Dallas a
little bit, but nothing too noteworthy. But again, let's go
back to the red men. I mean, these are the
counties that just just to go to be clear, let's

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go back. These are the counties that moved right in
all three elections that Trump ran in. Almost fifty million
people live in these counties, so this is not just
some sample size, and these are counties that were otherwise
blue strongholds. As you can see in Florida, every single
county moves dramatically to the right. So basically, what the
New York Times put together is something called triple trending counties.

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These are counties that trended to the right in all
three elections that were previously controlled by Democrats. The first
of which is something a county called Clinton County, New York.
The historical trend was that it was traditionally a Democrat
leaning county. Clinton County, New York is a great example

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of how the Republican Party has remade the electorate and
remade the political map in recent elections. In two thousand
and eight, Barack Obama won it by twenty two points.
In twenty twenty, Joe Biden won it by five point
two points, but in twenty twenty four, Donald Trump flipped
the county, winning by two points. Another good one to
look at is Suffolk County, considered a swing county with

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fluctuating support between both parties. In twenty twenty, Donald Trump
won it by two hundred thirty two votes, but in
twenty twenty four, Donald Trump secured fifty four percent of
the vote, the highest percentage since nineteen eighty eight at
a Suffolk County, New York. And then, of course there's
the Wow counties, which we've done a lot of work
in Wisconsin, waukeshaw Ozaqui, and Washington. In twenty twenty, Donald

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Trump received sixty percent of the vote in these counties
and he did even better in twenty twenty four. These
are triple trending counties, which shows that the entire country,
absent a couple of little pockets, is moving to the right.
Why is this. We're going to explore that and explain
and also talk about why parts of The Big Beautiful
Bill might only continue this trend in our direction. We're

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Mobile studio. What we're doing on campus is so critical.
We are breaking the cycle, billions and billions of views
online and this map again show the national map demonstrates it.
This is over three election cycles. This is not just

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just some sort of isolated incident. The entire Midwest, the
entire center part of the country. I will say I
wish California performed better there, I really do. And Arizona.
It's kind of neutral if you look at the final
Democrat map, but it really goes to show that in
the East, Central and Eastern time zone there is a

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consistency that has moved dramatically in our direction. The map
is no accident. But the more interesting part of this
is who is moving to the right. These triple trending
counties show us that it is the working class. President
Trump has made gains in six times as many counties

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as Democrats in his three runs for the presidency, and
his gains have come predominantly with working class voters earning
less than one hundred thousand dollars a year. The erosion
of working class support among black, white, and Latino voters
alike is the number one political story of this generation.
And here's the key. There's a lot more of them

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than there are elitist academics and overly education beyond their
intelligence types. If you work with your hands, if you
shower before and after work, you've been on the losing
end of globalization, of wokeness and offshore. Democrats are only
making gains with one group of people, highly educated, rich people,

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those with luxury beliefs and abstractions. And you can see
the income graph. It is chilling. Democrats keep on gaining
with the group. The wealthier you are, the more likely
you are to be in the Democrat party. If you
drive a forklift, you're more likely to be in our category. Now, interestingly,

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there was a story this morning from Axios that I
want to highlight, which is it's gonna be a major
story and it's worth emphasizing. It ties all of this together,
which is a top artificial intelligence CEO foresees a white
collar bloodbath. Now, interestingly, we are not yet going to

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see the blue collar bloodbath. Robotics is coming, but it's
not yet there. It's still a slow mover. The humanoid
robots still struggle to do the very basic human tasks
and be able to do them at scale for decades.
And this is the irony elites were very smug about

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their own economic security compared to blue collar people. They
used to say, learn to code, you carpenter, learn to code.
It doesn't matter that we shipped your factory job overseas
to Wuhan, China. I got this fancy degree. I deserve this.

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You see, according to this story, it's pretty amazing. Looking
around the corner. Anthropic CEO Dario A. Moody, who's building
the technology, says AI could wipe out half of all
of the entry level white collar jobs. Who's been predicting
this on a college campus, telling all these kids they

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being scammed. You notice it gets very quiet when I'm
on a college campus and I say this, so you
guys realize that our entry level jobs are not going
to be here in five years. Deep down they know
they know they have been totally scammed. AI could wipe
out half of all those jobs. Unemployment could spike to
ten to twenty percent in the next one to five years.

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Possible possible mass elimination of jobs across technology, finance, law, consulting,
and other white collar professions, especially entry level gigs. And
this is not something that necessarily should be celebrated, But
now a lot of degree holders are in grave danger,
the same degree holders that are voting for the Democrat

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Party thinking the Democrat Party is going to protect them.
We figured out how to replace a software engineer or
a pr REP faster than we figured out how to
replace a carpenter. It's funny how that works, isn't it.
Going into twenty twenty eight, it is conceivable that these
little suburban enclaves of mid level managers that are completely

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useless and irrelevant very well might be replaced. I don't
yet think the C suite is going to be replaced
for anytime soon. You still need human beings making decisions.
But what you are going to see is one of
the most dramatic job displacements, and it's going to be
a top issue in the twenty eight twenty campaign. I
agree Steve ban and Steve Banne says quote, I don't
think anyone is taking into consideration how administrative, managerial and

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tech jobs for people under thirty. Entry level jobs are
so important in your twenties are going to be eviscerated.
This is my message. I go to these campuses, I said,
you guys are getting a woman's study degrees, a women's
studies degree, you guys are just getting a communications degree.
You are going to get wiped out. And what is
the Democrat Party doing to actually protect you and defend you. Nothing?

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So as the Republican Party is becoming a working class Party.
It's actually a constituency that might still be working, and
if you're a mid level manager, you might be employed
sometime soon. Senator Lee joins us.

Speaker 15 (23:10):
Next governor of the Great State of Alabama. I've still
got eighteen months to go with President Trump to make

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America great again. We've got a lot of work to do.
Money will go back and pass the big beautiful bill
for President Trump. But I'm doing this to help this
country and the great State of Alabama.

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Speaker 10 (25:52):
Okay, everybody, we have the great Senator Mike leean just
the second, all about the Big Beautiful Bill. And by
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right now is Senator Mike Lee. Senator, thank you for
taking the time. I want to just get your take

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on this and we can go from here. Your answer.
In the Big Beautiful Bills current composition, as it is
in its current form, would you currently vote for it.

Speaker 7 (27:52):
At the moment. No. In fact, there's no chance you
could pass the Senate right now. But you know we
do have two legislative chambers. Fast Hoss coming over to
the Senate. The Big Beautiful Bill is big. It isn't
yet as beautiful as it needs to be, but there's
still time to fix it. And the Senate version is
going to be more aggressive it can, and I think

(28:13):
it has to be, or else it's not going to
pass now. Look, the Republicans in the House gave us
some good wins. This bill extends that Tax Cuts and
Jobs Act to make sure that we don't end up
with a four trillion dollar tax bomb going off, exploding
in front of the American people. It helps to revitalize
the military, It funds the completion of the Southern border wall,

(28:34):
helps fund the crackdown on illegal immigrations. Those are all
great things. We've got to deliver more than that, though.
We've increased spending by like fifty eight percent just in
the last five years, just since the pandemic, so we've
got to address the spending crisis to a greater degree
than this bill does. Under this bill, out of the

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CBO projections, we're still looking at you two point two
trillion dollars a year on average in deficits over the
next ten years. That's not good enough. We've got to
get to a point where we can balance it during
this president's time in office.

Speaker 10 (29:12):
Okay, So let's kind of isolate this for a second here, Senator,
who is within your coalition that is currently opposing it
because of your concerns over spending? What senators are in
agreement with you?

Speaker 7 (29:28):
Well, I make it a point not to speak for
my colleagues, but I will point out that there are
at least a few who have said in its current form,
it can't pass. We can get there, but it can't
pass right now because it doesn't do enough to control spending.
I know I've made those points. Rick Scott from Florida

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has made those points. Ron Johnson from Wisconsin has as well.
Ram Paul has those and other additional concerns with the bill,
and I know there are others who have yet to
speak as much about it, Paba, but who share them.

Speaker 10 (30:03):
So, what then, would be enough for you to come
to a place for a yes vote. Where do we
need to fix it? And how does that work? Since
the House has already passed the bill, what is the
process then to actually get these cuts to be made permanent?

Speaker 7 (30:22):
All right, let's deal with the letter part of the question. First.
We've got these two legislative chambers. It's passed the House,
it moves over to the Senate. Now we bring it up,
we will undoubtedly insert a lot of amendments in it
into it in what's called the substitute amendment. There's been
a rapid fire process on the Senate floor at the

(30:43):
end of the process called budget Botorama, where any senator
can bring up any amendment they want, We vote own
over and over and over again, off it in rapid formation,
and then whenever we're finished with it, we send it
back to the House and hopefully at that point they're
willing to pass it. No way of telling exactly what
it will look like. But as far as the first

(31:04):
part of your question, what takes to get me there?
We just have that our reasonable path to get back
to pre pandemic spending levels somewhere at least in range
for fiscal year twenty twenty six we had to have
a path to get to six point five tollion dollars
a year in total federal spending. Now, if we can

(31:25):
get there and then hold that for a couple or
three years, we'll be getting to the place where we
can balance. You can't do all of this through a
reconciliation bilcause that doesn't deal with every category of spending,
but it does deal with a lot, and it deals
with a lot of the spending that has resulted from
increases just since the COVID pandemic. That's where I'm looking

(31:46):
to get. There are a million different formulations of how
that can take place, but it's got to be part
of a plan. If this fits into a plan that
is serious that can get us a bounce within a
few years, I can get there, and I know most
or all of my colleagues can as well.

Speaker 10 (32:04):
So let's kind of further isolate this then, And I
think it's important. Where would you say on the Medicaid Medicare.
I don't think anyone's going to want to talk about
anything with Medicare. On Medicaid, that's kind of the big
thing in front of us. What could potentially be done
there and is there enough appetite amongst more moderate of

(32:26):
your colleagues. Moderate colleagues to then go along with your demands.
How are we going to bring the coalition together to
make sure this bill actually passed?

Speaker 7 (32:35):
Lock. I think we can get there. On the medicaid front.
I've proposed legislation called the America First Act, some of
which was incorporated into the House version, but they left
it a lot of our illegal alien population eligible to
participate in Medicaid for reasons I don't understand, but they're
still back. We could achieve additional savings there. When we

(32:58):
look at things like the state so called state Medicaid
provider loophole. You get states that are manipulating provisions of
the Affordable Care Act, you know, a bilacare in order
to skim federal funds off the top of Medicaid all
the name of a Medicaid provider. Tax Coomass needs to

(33:18):
close that loophole because that's encouraging states to take more
and more federal money, federal money that through the expanded
Medicaid program is paid four nine to one by the
US government. We also need to look at the salt deduction,
the income tax deduction. That's just a huge taxpayer subsidy

(33:40):
from all other Americans over to blue state billionaires designed
to bailout blue state governors. This is this is a problem.
I mean, so rather than subsidizing three hundred and fifty
billion dollars for states with high tax rates, we had
to pass a big, beautiful build. It terminates the Green

(34:01):
new scam and gets rid of a lot of these
all these green every one of these Green new scam
subsidies where we're subsidizing non baseload sources of power that
are unreliable.

Speaker 10 (34:17):
So the let's talk about the Doge cuts being certified.
There is some news that are being codified, I'm sorry,
not certified. What Elon Musk is coming out saying that
he wants to see the Doge cuts codified? Is there
appetite for that and what would that look like in practice?

Speaker 7 (34:34):
Okay, First of all, a lot of the DOGE cuts
not all of them, certainly, but a lot of them
occur on what we call the discretionary side of spending,
and discretionary spending isn't a dressed to a reconciliation bill,
so most of those would need to occur outside the
reconciliation bill. But some of them could be passed into

(34:55):
law with only fifty one boats in the Senate, especially
for what's known as a recisions package. Under the Budget Act,
the White House the President is allowed to propose to
Congress that they rescind certain discretionary funds, and a lot
of that is where the dog cuts would come through.

(35:16):
They can send that over. Once the White Houses send
it over, they can be considered for an extradited up
or down folk in both houses, including a simple maturity
folk in the Senate. So not everything through DOGE could
be done through reconciliation. But I think when most people
talk about the DOGE cuts, most Americans probably are not

(35:36):
contemplating that distinction between discretionary and nondiscretionary. But they do
want to see aggressive action. That's what they're calling for here.

Speaker 10 (35:45):
So when closing here, Senator, what would you say is
your optimistic take on a timeline to bring all the
parties together so that we can have, in your take,
even more spending cuts on this bill.

Speaker 7 (36:02):
I suspect it'll take place over the next four weeks
during the month of June. You're going to see aggressive
action within the Senate. I think you'll see finished product
coming out of the Senate, most likely by the end
of June, and then what happens from there will be
up to the House representatives. But I think it'll leave
that much closer to passing into law, and I look

(36:22):
forward to be part of being part of that effort
and look forward to getting this thing passed. Look, nobody,
not one person wants to see these Tax Cuts and
Jobs Act provisions last resulting in this four trillion dollar
tax bomb exploding. And I intend to be part of
the solution and get this thing done.

Speaker 10 (36:44):
So and finally, Senator, let's just talk about for a
minute here. What are some of the positives of the
bill that you want to make sure the audience is
aware of that is not getting enough attention. Border security,
no tax on tips police.

Speaker 7 (36:56):
Senator, Yeah. Order security is a big deal. We've got
to make sure that we have the tools to deal
with that. We've had more illegal immigration than we've ever
seen over the last four years. It's just an absolute,
uncontrolled chaos, which was sadly part of a design of

(37:17):
the president's autopen administration. We have also got provisions making
sure the Tax Gets and Jobs Act tax guts don't expire.
We've got no tax on tips. That's a very good,
very popular provision. And we do bring about a lot

(37:38):
of the reforms that I mentioned through provisions of my
America First Act were adopted by the House that get
rid of a lot of the federal benefits from going
to illegal aliens. And so those are all good things.
We're going to build on those. We're going to make
things better in the Senate, and we'll get this thing passed.

Speaker 10 (37:58):
Very good, Senator, keep fighting to be watching closely. Thank
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So there's a lot of attention right now around Jake
Tapper and Alex Thompson's new book. By the way, we
should invite Jake Tapper on the show. I should text
him I'm not gonna let I am not gonna let
this go. Jake Tapper smeared me as an anti semi

(42:51):
during the Republican National Convention when I was speaking that one.
I'm not gonna forget about. Sometimes people say stuff. I
kind of of all all the smears that you can
throw at me to call me an anti semi during
one of the biggest moments of my career, which was
a keynote speech at the RNC. I'm sorry, I have

(43:12):
words for that. And you are far from a journalist,
Jake Tapper, I don't care about all these overtures. Let's
be honest. If Kamala Harris would have won the presidency,
would this book be coming out. It's the only question
that matters. The only question that matters is would this
book be published if Kamala Harris would have won. So, Jake,

(43:34):
You're welcome on our program anytime, and I expect an
apology if you were to come on the show. Laura
Trump got an apology. Do it's gonna it's it's tough
to get right now for later in the week, can
we get Jake Tapper? He was on this ridiculous panel
of people on CNN CNN decided not to take my speech.

(43:56):
They were mocking me while I was giving my speech.
Oh can't the RNC you do better than this, Charlie Kirk,
And it was, it was all plotted. The New York
Times wrote an article hours before the CNN let's just
say drive by in the great words of Rush Limbo

(44:20):
was a drive by, the drive by media ambush. So
I go on stage. Meanwhile, the New York Times, which
Andrew spent a whole day arguing at that report of
the New York Times, Jonathan Weisman calls me an anti semi, saying,
Charlie Kirk's what was the title?

Speaker 14 (44:36):
Like?

Speaker 10 (44:37):
Disturbing anti Semitic. I say, again, of all the criticisms
you could throw towards me, I am writing a book
of why you should honor the Shabbat. My number one
criticism when I go from people on the right is
that I'm too pro Isra or whatever like this, this

(44:58):
kind of nauseating thing. Charlie Kirk, long accused of anti Semitism,
is set for a primetime speech. Oh thanks, Jonathan Weissman.
I'm sorry that one of the reasons why people are
falling out of favor of the pro Israel like movement
is because of crap like this. I'll be very honest.

(45:18):
It's like beyond demoralizing. He's like, okay, so I defend
Israel on campus every single day that The New York
Times call me an anti semi and then you have
Jake Tapper pedal that garbage on CNN during a primetime
audience for nine minutes straight while I am giving my
one of the biggest speeches in my career. Charlie Kirk,

(45:39):
long accused of anti Semitism, is set for a primetime speech,
Long accused, and then Jake Tapper pedaled it. And people
don't understand though they rattle off these five hundred word
pieces like ten a day during the RNC, and they
do it to undermine the speakers so that the low
iq clamoring hostess on the talk. But here we go.

(46:01):
This is two ninety one. Well done, Ryan, This is
a Jake Tapper calling me an anti Semite during the
RNC speech. I'll never forget this play Cut to ninety one.

Speaker 9 (46:10):
Charlie Kirk is speaking right now. He's the head of
a right wing student group called Turning Points. This is
the second speaker this evening who has said things that
are blatantly anti Semitit.

Speaker 11 (46:21):
It's anti semitism, and it's more broadly just he swims
in oceans of conspiracy.

Speaker 10 (46:35):
I'm sorry, Jake, I'm not going to all of a
sudden platform your book, which you would not have published
if Kamala Harris was president. You're a bad person an
the entire movement. Doesn't it deserve an apology. You should
just resign. You're a joke. You're the stum of the earth.
Second hour coming up.

Speaker 16 (47:03):
Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm
Terrence Bates. Fourteen state attorneys general of the green light
this morning to move forward with a lawsuit against Elon
Musk in the Department of Government Efficiency. They're specifically challenging
doge's efforts to cut federal spending, saying that there's no
law authorizing must to slash budgets. They also are trying

(47:24):
to stop DOGE from closing federal agencies. The top law
enforcement officials from New Mexico, Oregon, and twelve other states
filed suit alleging that President Trump has given Musk quote
unchecked legal authority without authorization from Congress. While DC Federal
Court Judge Tanya Chuckkin upheld the case against Musk. She
dismissed claims against President Trump, saying that her court couldn't

(47:47):
interfere with the performance of his official duties as president.
This latest lawsuit is among about twenty that have been
filed in various federal courts pushing back against Elon Musk's
authority as the head of DOGE. Though it isn't the
only challenge Elon Musk is facing. He's also dealing with
another failed launch of his SpaceX Mega Rocket starship. The

(48:09):
four hundred and three foot rocket blasted off for its
ninth demo Tuesday evening. It's nearly made. It nearly made
it excuse me to space, but then spiraled back to
Earth and crashed in the Indian Ocean. SpaceX is calling
it quote a rapid unscheduled disassembly. Tuesday's launch came after
back to back explosions during previous launch attempts. SpaceX was

(48:31):
hoping to release a series of mock satellites filing liftoff,
but that part of the mission failed because the door
wouldn't open all the way.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Musk is now promising to launch.

Speaker 16 (48:41):
A starship every three to four weeks for the next
three flights. Those starships are ultimately intended to travel to
the Moon and to Mars. From senator to governor. That
is former college football coach and now Alabama Senator Tommy
Tube Turberville's plan. He's looking to ride the Auburn War
Eagle all the way to the governor's mansion.

Speaker 15 (49:02):
But I'm doing this to help this country and the
great state of Alabama. I'm a football coach, I'm a leader,
I'm a builder, I'm a recruiter, and we're going to
grow Alabama. We're gonna bring manufacturers of the state. We're
going to stop this illegal immigration. We're going to make
education better again. And we're going to do everything possible
to make sure our kids when they've graduated in this

(49:25):
great state, the Elhammer State, that they stay in this
state and work. We're going to have workforce development so well,
we got a lot of work to do nationally.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
I'm looking forward to that.

Speaker 15 (49:34):
With President Trump, He's got us on the right track.

Speaker 16 (49:39):
Tuberville will be running for governor in his home state
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on Tuesday directing them to review and potentially terminate or
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Ivy League school could cost it about one hundred million dollars.
The Trump administration has already frozen nearly three billion dollars
in federal research grants to the school. The president also
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which makes up about twenty seven percent of the.

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Speaker 10 (52:10):
Okay everyone, I'm still in DC, but I have a
huge announcement that we recorded in studio last week with
Ty Gooch. We launched the Turning Point Academy prep year.
We sat down and talked to Hi about it. I
encourage you guys right now to go to Turningpoint Academy
dot com. That is Turningpointacademy dot com. If you are
in a position where you say, boy, I don't want

(52:30):
to send my kid to college, but I'm not sure
what to do, we have developed something called Prep Year
where you get one year before you go to college
to learn the most beautiful of all the things, the faith,
the gospel of Jesus Christ, but American Western civilization. So
go to Turningpoint Academy dot com and enjoy this major announcement. Okay,

(52:55):
everybody very excited for an announcement from Turning Point Academy.
How many of you and audience right now are thinking
about going to college, but you know that college might
not be for you. How many of you are a
parent right now or a grandparent and you have a
young grandkid or kid that is like I don't know
if I want to go to this school and you
actually want them to learn something. Well, we are here

(53:17):
to announce Turning Point Academy Prep here, and the man
behind it all is doctor Ty Gooch at Turning Point Academy. Doctor.

Speaker 14 (53:24):
Great to see you, Great to see you too, glad
to be here.

Speaker 10 (53:27):
And this is an super exciting announcement and honestly blessed
that we're able to talk about this. What is Turning
Point Academy prep here.

Speaker 17 (53:36):
It is the culmination of what you and doctor hutts Hertzberg,
chief Education Officer, have been working on to prepare students
for life to be leaders, to have impact and if
they go on to college, to be ready to be
influencers when they get there.

Speaker 10 (53:51):
And so essentially, what it is, and I want to
get into the specifics, is that this is an opportunity
not to go to four year college, but to be
immersed into the details and into the great books and
the great ideas from a Biblical perspective, to actually recreate
what college should be. Is that correct?

Speaker 17 (54:07):
That's right, Training of the mind, whole life transformation. The
program will include mentors that come in like yourself to
help students understand economics from a biblical worldview perspective and
how to read and process through the great writings of
Western civilization in a way that has a biblical infusion
of truth at the foundation of them.

Speaker 10 (54:26):
Yeah, so's so walk through technically how this works. So
someone is going to we already have people that have
signed up and people can check it out at Turning
Point Academy dot com. That's Turning Point Academy dot com.
They're going to This is gonna be in Fort Worth
this year. Correct, that's right, And we already have some
people that have signed up and they are going to
do what exactly. They move into dorms and they're gonna

(54:46):
really create what college should be.

Speaker 17 (54:48):
Yeah, but that would be a short sided statement of
what the facilities are like. They're incredible facilities. The accommodations
are off the charts. There's going to be a retreat center,
conference center like experience for the students, the size of
the dorms, the excellence of the dorms, but more than
just the experience on the outside, it's the way that
their hearts and lives will be transformed. There'll be a
week long modular training format where from a classical education perspective,

(55:14):
helping students learn with rhetoric, helping students learn in a
collegial style of learning where they don't just listen from
lecture content, but they actually learn to engage in to
think and then with virtue and wisdom, how to apply
the truths that they're learning.

Speaker 10 (55:27):
So you talk more about that and also talk about
your background. How did you lead to this your PhD.
You also played college football, which is awesome, like your journey,
like tell our audience about this and why you feel
Preppier is such an important project for the country and
the kingdom.

Speaker 17 (55:43):
I've been involved in Christian ministry for the better part
of the last twenty five years, prior to which I
did play football at Northwestern University, and I see you
have a big ten representation back there.

Speaker 10 (55:52):
I'm going to the Oregon Ducks Northwestern game.

Speaker 14 (55:55):
Oh that's great, that's great.

Speaker 10 (55:56):
Those tickets were so expensive because they're retrofitting their field.

Speaker 14 (55:59):
And I want to ask you who you're going to
vte who you're gonna be for?

Speaker 10 (56:02):
Probably the Ducks. But my mom did go to Northwestern.

Speaker 14 (56:05):
Okay, fair enough, fair enough.

Speaker 17 (56:06):
So that experience, though, it was one where I learned
myself to learn to engage with what it meant to
stand for my faith. So I went from there and
went and got a Master's of Divinity and not a PhD,
but a doctor at ministry, which is relevant for this
program because of the application of truth to life and
so as a part of this last twenty five years
of serving in ministry, mostly pastoral, have also been in

(56:28):
Christian education, just focused on teaching seniors in high school
biblical worldview at a couple of different Christian schools, at
a Bible college, a senior seminar, capstone classroom program context
where it's so evident students need to learn to finish
well so they can go be influencers right away. Young
leaders already leading in many ways now being prepared not

(56:50):
just to go and sort of flail in the context
of the ideologies that are being pumped out by some institutions,
but to go into flourish and what it means to
be girded up in their faith and to influence others
towards the ways of Christ.

Speaker 10 (57:02):
So tell us more about what you would teach in
that biblical worldview where you were a teacher, a guest speaker,
a seminar, and as these were seniors in high school,
talk talk about that more.

Speaker 17 (57:14):
Yeah, it's really a holistic perspective from the beginnings of
understanding the clarity of what it means to understand the
Gospel of Jesus Christ right the perfect life and sacrificial
death and resurrection, from the Dead of Christ. That's so
critical that they understand it's not just a general faith
a general belief. There's specific tenets of the faith that
are necessary. And so from that standpoint, then moving to

(57:36):
what do I do and response to the Gospel?

Speaker 14 (57:40):
How do I live? How do I think? What does
marriage look like? What does what does stewardship look like?

Speaker 17 (57:46):
Of the gifts that I've been given, also of the
resources that I've been able to glean, of the talents
and skills, so all of that in addition to some
of the more nuanced aspects of intellect. Right, the Bible
makes it super clear, Charlie supercol that the beginning of
knowledge and wisdom is the fear of the Lord. It's
the fear of the Lord. Yes, right, And so to

(58:06):
start there and to think, oh, I really don't need
to go beyond here to get to where God wants
me to go, and sort to help students understand, Yes,
let's bring all of the intellect of the world, let us.

Speaker 10 (58:15):
Reason together, it says in the Book of Isaiah.

Speaker 14 (58:16):
Right, that's right, I start.

Speaker 17 (58:17):
Bring it all in here and then watch how it
is redefined and ultimately pushed aside by the chews that come.

Speaker 10 (58:23):
From So you did that for twenty years you said about.

Speaker 17 (58:25):
So in large part, yes, But then in Christian education
as a guest lecture, as an overseer.

Speaker 14 (58:30):
Of interns for undergrad and master students.

Speaker 10 (58:33):
Yes, what did you see that changed over the years
when you take taught this to students?

Speaker 14 (58:38):
Yeah, that lack of biblical literacy.

Speaker 17 (58:40):
From Christian students, from Christian students and oftentimes in Christian schools.
Number one question always answered, always answered.

Speaker 14 (58:47):
With a no. Have you been taught how to study
the truth for yourself? Negative?

Speaker 17 (58:54):
Negative, negative across the board, even with some students that
are actually in college in Bible as a guest lecturer
or in a senior seminar context. And so it's a
great opportunity to help the students that apply, and some
of these students are are just the best representation in
certain categories of excellence. One student that's applied and been
accepted at thirty three on the on the Act. Another

(59:16):
student two students already accepted at well known institutions across
the country with scholarship money. They're putting that there coming
to so that they can come prepare to go use
that education to the best of its ability and.

Speaker 10 (59:28):
This is what college should be at the core and
it really so again, this is Turning Point Academy dot
com and turnpointy camp is doing.

Speaker 14 (59:35):
So much great work.

Speaker 10 (59:35):
I just I really, but there is a there is
an immediate kind of call to action that for because
we have a deadline essentially.

Speaker 14 (59:44):
Right, Yeah, it is, it's approaching.

Speaker 17 (59:45):
And this is the most unique opportunity that a student,
especially a student that wants to go be a leader,
could have because of generous donors.

Speaker 14 (59:53):
Building on the foundation.

Speaker 17 (59:54):
Of Turning Point Academy, where we have the educator something
coming up July tenth through the thirteenth for all educators
across the GLO globe. So great opportunity to go to
our website. You can see more there. But this opportunity
is time sensitive because we've had generous donors. Yes, donate
the equivalent of twenty thousand dollars scholarships for every student that's.

Speaker 10 (01:00:14):
Accepted, and so they have to pay very little, almost
to nothing.

Speaker 17 (01:00:18):
Yeah, the students that get accepted, they'll pay one thousand
dollars deposit fee just to let us know that they're
seriously committed.

Speaker 14 (01:00:23):
After they go through the interview process.

Speaker 10 (01:00:25):
That's incredible. And so so I'm gonna go back something
you said, and I'm sure the turning point Preppier will
dive into this. Have you been taught how to learn
the truth? Can you say that again and contextualize that more? Please?

Speaker 14 (01:00:37):
Right?

Speaker 17 (01:00:37):
So, in seminary context and Bible training context, it's called
hermeneutics how to get at the truth. Everybody has access
to the truth, but it's important to learn how to
study the truth. Why so that I don't bring my
I do as much as I can to put aside
my inclinations and I let the scriptures speak for themselves.
We are overrun right now with people quoting from the

(01:00:58):
Bible out and culture saying, oh, this is Jesus, this
is truth, and they're really not representing the truth of
Jesus at all. They're representing what they thought culture would
demand and impose upon them, and then they're slapping scripture
on top of it. Instead of that, let's push culture aside,
let's let the scriptures speak for themselves, and then let
the scriptures define culture, which is so much of what
you do and what you have done with turning point

(01:01:19):
in many many regards. So hermeneutics how to study the Bible.
Let me learn step by step simple. It's not studying Hebrew,
it's not studying Greek. But there are simple God centered ways,
not people centered ways to learn to study the Bible.
If there's one of the methods is just look, learn live,
Look at the text, see what the author is saying
to the original audience. Learn from the scriptures based on

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what it objectively says, and then let's figure out how
to live it out.

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com slash prep here. Now, if you are interested, and
let's so, let's let's apply that then to would you
say that most students coming into prep here have had
a Christian education of some sort?

Speaker 14 (01:04:45):
Absolutely, absolutely they are.

Speaker 17 (01:04:48):
At this point for the applicants that we've gotten number
one off the charge in several ways. Some are worship
leaders at their churches or in their contexts. Some are
already super skilled in the area of graphic design and photography,
et cetera. All of them have a testimony of how
the Gospel of Christ has already impacted their lives. Many

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of them already have begun to lead in spiritual context
on their campuses or in their homeschool contexts, and now
they're just eager for somebody to come alongside them to
help them grow on what they've done.

Speaker 14 (01:05:18):
You wouldn't believe this.

Speaker 17 (01:05:19):
One of the students we learned through the interview process
she had just written a document to the local governor
to challenge to challenge the public office about the importance
of taking a stand on important biblical issues. A thirty
page document, well written, presented it. And so we get
on this interview and then she says, well, I just
got back from.

Speaker 14 (01:05:40):
This event, right, What was it?

Speaker 17 (01:05:42):
A sports event, a local No, She's standing for important
things in our culture for Christ.

Speaker 10 (01:05:47):
Amazing, and so what would you say? The end result
success would be after nine months of Turning Point Academy.

Speaker 17 (01:05:54):
Prep year students will have been thoroughly exposed to what
it looks like to walk with Christ. Because of a
Biblical understanding of prayer, life and spiritual pursuits, they will
be involved in what it means to also go and
serve in the community and various contexts. They'll take trips
to the capital of the state that we're in, will
take trips to public office, and at the end they'll

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be fortified and their understanding of Biblical warview in a
way that equips them to walk into a myriad of
different opportunities. Whether it's military, whether it's entrepreneurialship in the marketplace,
whether it's going to focus on preparing to be a homemaker,
whether it's preparing for public office. They'll have clarity on
how their background, their aptitude, their skill sets apply to

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those different contexts.

Speaker 10 (01:06:40):
What would you say is the biggest problem facing Christian education?

Speaker 17 (01:06:44):
Yeah, you know, the biggest problem facing Christian education is
that it is it's oftentimes marketed as something that it
used to be that it no longer is right something
that's going to help students understand how to thinkerly.

Speaker 14 (01:07:00):
And I wouldn't suggest that that's what it is.

Speaker 17 (01:07:02):
I just remember sitting at this incredible institution undergrad receiving
class or a lecture, and the professor espouses this content
and I'm a freshman, and I thought, oh, he's telling
us these facts. I'm taking notes, and I raised my
hand asked a question, and I asked, so these facts
you're helping us understand and he probably just wait, they're
not facts, they're theories. I had no more questions because

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I thought, I want to hear facts. I want to
hear data that is true and time tested. I don't
want to hear theories. I can go read about those
on my own as I so choose. I want that
information that's necessary. So that now is I would say
one of the biggest divides is the data. The information
that's being presented. Is it fact or is it theory?
Ideological and from culture and essentially from man, whereas classical

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education foundation information moving on to the middle stage, which
is understanding, moving to virtue and wisdom, which education I've
heard you say education lead. Yeah, it needs to move
into that.

Speaker 7 (01:08:02):
Now.

Speaker 17 (01:08:02):
You know, public public education is saying that they don't
extend virtue and wisdom. Oh, but but they are trying
to infuse with the ideologies a way in which it's applied.
So We've got a great partner and our host at
in Dallas and forward about that. You couldn't have a
better first year start because the leaders doctor doctory and

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at Southwestern Baptisteological Seminary, so many like minded leaders there,
the provost and the dean of students, great leaders that
are going to help us just by helping the environment
be created and to create a means through which students
might find another one of the pathways, which is academia,
where they go and to be influencers. Maybe they're not
a lawyer, maybe, but they go into the academia context

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and get degrees that will have helpful payoff, not just
for what they benefit from financially, but how they can
impact the culture.

Speaker 10 (01:08:51):
And the They'll also be exposed to the civic virtues
as well from a biblical perspective. Correct, why is it
the you know, self government and free speech or biblical
we'll talk about that as well.

Speaker 17 (01:09:02):
Yeah, so well already on turningpoint academy dot com. There
are resources for young students and older students alike to
understand the Constitution, to understand the Bill of Rights, to
walk through economics and our leader, Jennifer Burns, the director
of academics. She's laid out a great set of resources. Well,
when these students get into the prep year program, they're

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going to walk through a fresh version, but from a
biblical worldview, they'll understand that as you relate it to
free speech. You chatted a little bit about that just recently,
and to understand that even from Exodus, for instance, everybody
knows the story of Exodus where the Israelites were freed
from slavery in Egypt, and everybody thinks it's about them

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being treated poorly, which that did matter to God's heart,
But the most redundant, the most thorough expression of concern
that God had is that they weren't free to worship
him as he had prescribed.

Speaker 14 (01:09:58):
And so yes, we will help.

Speaker 17 (01:10:00):
Didn't understand the importance of having the right to free speech,
having the right to gather freedom freely and to express
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So the talk more about like what a model day

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would be in a Turning Point Academy prep year.

Speaker 14 (01:14:27):
That's great.

Speaker 17 (01:14:27):
The students are going to be in a cohort format,
so they'll be on this campus in this retreat center
like context, and they'll wake up in the morning. It'll
be mostly a classroom context in the morning where there'll
be an expert that comes in for the given week
to focus on content, not just delivery, but content exchange,
helping the students work through how to apply what they're hearing,
what they're learning. So that'll be generally a morning context

(01:14:50):
of learning, and then they'll move to the afternoon where
it'll focus more on experience and we'll get out and
there'll be physical challenges where we do hikes together, nothing
too extreme, just helping students understand that this is a
whole life perspective of the gospel impact in someone's life.
So they'll go on hikes, we'll go visit different museums
and different things like that. We're gonna come to America

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Fest amazing in December, and that'll cap off the end
of the year.

Speaker 14 (01:15:14):
But that's generally what a day looks like.

Speaker 17 (01:15:16):
And in the evening, there'll be some time they will
do some work, they'll do some reading in the evening,
and they'll have lots of time to interact with one
another in their cohort context. At Southwestern Theological Seminary Baptisty
at Seminary, the facility has a swimming pool, they have
a fitness center, and so almost two hundred acres.

Speaker 10 (01:15:33):
So you get the kind of college amenities that's right
in an incredibly intentional context.

Speaker 17 (01:15:40):
Super safe, right if I'm a parent sitting my kid
off to a place I've never been to before, super safe,
the environment there is everything a parent can want and more.

Speaker 10 (01:15:48):
And it will also lead itself to what college should be,
which means partnership rights and talk about some of the instructors.
You yourself will be presenting quite a lot. And and
I can't think of almost any other college where they'll
get this kind of singular instruction because the class sizes
quote unquote will not be hundreds of people.

Speaker 17 (01:16:09):
No, No, it'll certainly be under one hundred, and this
first year it'll probably be closer to thirty to forty.

Speaker 10 (01:16:14):
Which is amazing. You think about the value proposition for
a student, it's incredible, right, Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:16:18):
The intentionality, the ability to interact with the mentors not
just in that context, but also Lord Willing long term
and so so that exchange is going to be super valuable.
In addition to the student is learning to take what
they learn and take it back to where they go
to next.

Speaker 10 (01:16:34):
Yeah, so let's talk more about just for a second
here equipping disciples, because that really is the goal. And
what would you say are some of the not just approaches,
the hermeneutical ones, but also just from a theological perspective,
some of the things that you've learned and I know
you touched on this, but some errors that you want

(01:16:55):
to try to write at this work you're doing at
Turning Point Academy.

Speaker 17 (01:16:59):
Yet you know, the Apostle Paul makes something super clear
and imparts in the Book of Acts and in some
of Luke's writings. But there's this tension that exists, and
the tension is Am I going to choose to please man?
Or am I going to choose to please God?

Speaker 10 (01:17:17):
In Acts five?

Speaker 17 (01:17:18):
Yeah, that's right, and and and also in Romans twelve
and several other places, yes, right, And so as it
relates to that, students are going to understand there's some
things that God not only asks, not only in advice,
but he commands these things of us. And and then
he says, you know, you can't do both in Galatians
one ten, you can't please man and please God caveat

(01:17:42):
unless man wants what God wants. And then that's how
you can get your twofer. But that's not up to me.
It's up to me to just stand for what God
says how to stand for. So helping students understand what
it means to the for courage and you know, the
federer and yourself and people like you, Erwin Lutzer as
well coming.

Speaker 10 (01:17:57):
Into phenomenal, Yeah, just because doctor Hertzburg as well.

Speaker 17 (01:18:01):
That's a Hurtzburg that absolutely for sure, time tested truth
tellers with humility and strength and grace all wrapped up
in one package.

Speaker 14 (01:18:09):
So I would say that's what makes it distinctive.

Speaker 17 (01:18:11):
It's not just information being delivered, but it's with courage
and clarity, which is another thing that Paul says, Just
make open statements of the truth. Make open statements of
the truth. Don't worry about trying to package it and
trying to figure out how it's Yeah, it's it's Paul's
heart because he's concerned.

Speaker 10 (01:18:29):
Where did Paul say that.

Speaker 17 (01:18:30):
He says it in Second Corinthians, chapter four, verse three
through four, and in his first book to the Church
in corinth he says, don't come with wisdom and knowledge
of man. Why there's something at stake, because if you
don't choose to proclaim the Gospel of Christ and Jesus

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Christ resurrected, then you have the risk of teaching people
to follow you and avoiding following God, because then the
power now is about me and it's not.

Speaker 14 (01:19:00):
I'm gonna live and die.

Speaker 10 (01:19:01):
That was Moses' great sin. Yeah, that's right, because he
thought he could he could actually turn the rock into
the water. So okay, that's amazing. So turning point academy
dot com and so the UH people can apply right now.

Speaker 17 (01:19:16):
They can they can as a three step process. You
walk through that place on the website. It walks right
through at the bottom when you go to Turning Point
Academy dot com forward slash prep year, you go scroll
down to the bottom. I've given you all the content,
so just get right down to it and get to
the first step, which is to fill out an interest form.
But time is running short because the spaces are filling
up and we don't have forever. We just want to

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solidify and start moving forward.

Speaker 10 (01:19:39):
So and fill out this September.

Speaker 17 (01:19:41):
This all fall twenty twenty five because of generous donors, jennif.
Donors have said, we want this to happen, we want
it to happen now, and so we we say, yes,
of course, we want this to happened too.

Speaker 14 (01:19:50):
Yes, so they go to phase two.

Speaker 17 (01:19:53):
They can go right to phase two right now, and
they can fill out the application and then send off
their reference forms, after which we will set them up
for an interview and the process we'll get going from there.

Speaker 10 (01:20:02):
I will say that what you've put together and the
team is put together at Turning Point Academy, this will
be far more life changing than just another year at
a you know, college. You'll dive deep into these ideas.
You'll come out as a sharp biblical citizen, and it
will take some work too.

Speaker 17 (01:20:17):
Write it will, Yeah, it will. It's not it's not
a lazy program. It's not just come and you know,
sit by the pool side. And but it's gonna be
and it's not just gonna be academically engaging. It's gonna
engage their hearts. It's gonna challenge some of their preconceptions.

Speaker 10 (01:20:30):
So yeah, it will and and provoke them towards the
higher things and the ultimate purpose.

Speaker 14 (01:20:35):
That's right.

Speaker 10 (01:20:36):
Well, we're super excited, doctor Gooch. Any final thoughts here,
and thank you for joining the team and about education
or what we're trying to do at Turning Point Academy.

Speaker 17 (01:20:44):
It's great to be a part of the team. And
I would just say go to Turning Point Academy dot.

Speaker 10 (01:20:49):
Com force last year that everybody do that right now
and apply.

Speaker 17 (01:20:53):
Yeah, you won't find a better opportunity and the scholarships
won't last forever, so get in.

Speaker 14 (01:20:58):
On it and make sure that you get the opportun so.

Speaker 10 (01:21:00):
Right now, just so you hear it. If you are
a high school senior eighteen to twenty years old, oh
that okay, or if you maybe you're not.

Speaker 14 (01:21:07):
You may have.

Speaker 17 (01:21:07):
Graduated last year and you may have realized that there
isn't a great option you're excited about.

Speaker 14 (01:21:12):
Come will help you get into.

Speaker 10 (01:21:13):
It superfordable and you might be just drifting or you
might just kind of be wondering. This is pretty It's
an amazing opportunity, right that you could go in Fort Worth,
Texas and combines foundational, classical Christian and civic curriculum with
immersive skill based environment. I mean, that's as good as
it gets. Yeah, I would say, is there anything like

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this in the country.

Speaker 17 (01:21:34):
There's nothing exactly like this, And even if someone created it,
what hasn't happened is it hasn't been created for a
scholarship exchange for free.

Speaker 10 (01:21:43):
Yeah, I mean it just I think about it, like,
there's this idea of a prep year and this could
get really big. I mean, this could get thousands of
students that.

Speaker 17 (01:21:50):
Every time people hear about it, they want it more
and they want it in their city. And it is
coming to Illinois next fall. So Renovay maybe Virginia, that's right,
that's right, and so it's already lined up, contract signed,
committed to work with our partners at JUTS University with
doctor Krum there.

Speaker 10 (01:22:06):
Well. Then the other advantage is that since they're on
a college campus. They've get some of the campus vibe
or activities, and that's energy.

Speaker 14 (01:22:13):
Right, that's right. They get a chance to kind of
appear in and maybe even to influence.

Speaker 10 (01:22:17):
Yes, yes, because they'll be learning stuff they might not
always be learning there, absolutely, doctor Gooch, Thank you so much.
It's Turningpoint Academy dot com. It's right there on the
front page. Prep Year, Preparing for life, leadership and impact.
We put this together. Doctor Gooch deserves the credit. HUTS
deserves the credit for transmit Formative Opportunity Ages eighteen nineteen twenty. Right,
eighteen nineteen twenty. You guys can go live nine months

(01:22:40):
in Fort Worth, Texas. Maybe if you live nearby. It's
not that big of a lift, and you will learn
things will that will change your whole life. It's what
college should be. And then you guys can go get
whatever degree and do there. But that sets you on
the course, and it's it's kind of a dream because
I talk about college scam and all. This this is
what we need. This is the foundation. So Turning Point

(01:23:00):
Academy dot com. Doctor Gooch, thank you so much, thank you,
thank you.

Speaker 14 (01:23:02):
Charlie. Check it out.

Speaker 10 (01:23:03):
Turning Point academy dot com and again go to Turningpoint
academy dot com. That is Turningpoint academy dot com to
learn more about prep. Here, doctor tid Gooch did an
amazing job. That is Turningpoint Academy dot com. Okay, everybody,
this is my conversation at Cambridge University. I thought it
did pretty well. To be perfectly honest, it was an

(01:23:24):
incredibly difficult environment. I walk in no applause, just stares
and glares from the Cambridge intelligencya four hundred people against
me and a professor. I talked to the President of Cambridge,
who didn't even do the nice cities, just went straight
into trying to brutalize me publicly. I kept my calm,
I kept my cool. I felt pretty good about the

(01:23:45):
points I made. There's some points I probably could have
made better. Hi, everyone, and.

Speaker 18 (01:23:49):
Thank you for joining us tonight I'll speak of tonight.
Is Charlie Kirk, a prominent conservative commentator. He's founder and
CEO of Turning Point SA, which is a pin on
over three thousand high school and college campuses. It is
the largest and fastest growing youth activist organization in USA,
and he's written four books. Thank you for joining us today.

Speaker 10 (01:24:12):
Thank you great to be here.

Speaker 15 (01:24:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:24:14):
So I'll start with some questions from me, and then
we're going to move to the questions from the audience
for the people who've submitted them and will be asking
them at the dispatch box. My first question is about
Turning Point Ussay's Professor Watchlist. Its mission is described as
exposing college professors who discriminate against conservative students and advanced
leftist propaganda in the classroom, with examples including feminism.

Speaker 10 (01:24:37):
Abortion, and socialism.

Speaker 18 (01:24:40):
How would you respond to critics such as PEN America
who see it as supporting what it claims to the ride,
which is the intimidation and ostracization of those who express controversial.

Speaker 10 (01:24:50):
Views on campus. Well, we're getting right into it, aren't we.
Thank you so yeah. Just by background, Turning Port USA
has now grown to be the largest camp this conservative
organization in the country. I come from a view that
conservatism is widely underrepresented in American campuses, and by conservatism
I literally mean the defense of Western values, free markets,

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rule of law, individual initiative, entrepreneurship, the constitution, so on,
and so forth. And an American college campus is in particular,
and I don't know. I'm guessing that this campus is
I don't even want to guess. We'll see what happens
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Speaker 10 (01:26:36):
But I do know that there are some great professors
that do teach the Western canon. Which is far too
missing from American universities is that American college campuses have
become a place where they strive to everyone look different
but think the same. And in America, university and college
tuition is through the roof, and students and parents have

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a moral obligation to know who is teaching their kids.
And for these professors that have such a major objection
for being on our professor watch list, if they don't
say obscene things, then they will not end up on
our watchless. I'm talking about professors that were excited about
what happened on October seventh. I'm sorry. If you're excited
about what happened to October seventh, then you deserve to
be on a professor watchless and people should know all

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about you. And if people want to fire you as
a consequence of that, or if people don't want to
go to that school as a consequence of that, then
so be it. And so what was the criticism exactly?

Speaker 18 (01:27:29):
It was that the watchless supports what it claims to
the ride, which is the intimidation and ostracization.

Speaker 10 (01:27:34):
Yeah, I mean sorry, thank you. If the publicizing of
certain ideas is intimidation, then I think that's just laughable.
It is using our own free speech to expose professors
who we believe is or making America worst country. And
in fact, I believe in America higher education has largely
posed a threat to Western values. Let me tell you

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And I think we need more students and more parents
to realize the moral rot that universities have become in
the Western world.

Speaker 18 (01:29:30):
So turning point account to me mentions the importance of
promoting intellectual growth. How would you respond to critics that
such an education system stifles intellectual growth to establishing a
fixed set of values, for example, regarding God's life beginning
at conception and two genders, rather than promoting intellectual diversity.

Speaker 10 (01:29:50):
Sure, I mean, at some point you're going to have
to get to a truth claim. So even to say
that you want an intellectual diversity means that you think
in intellectual diversity matters. But by what standard? So you
have to actually some point say that something is good.
So if someone says, well the criticism that you're going
to tell a kid that something is good something else,
you should have intellectual diversity. Okay, why by what standard?

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By what book, by what scholar, by what author, by
what worldview? We believe as an organization that the West
is the best for many certain for many reasons, in
particular my own personal views. I'm a Christian, I'm not
ashamed of it. And Christianity brought to the world things
that we all take for granted. Tom Holland, who actually
was educated here and is one of the great classicists

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and taught himself ancient Greek, he wrote in his book
Dominion that even if you hate Christianity, your critique of
Christianity is actually using Christianity itself. And so this idea
of intellectual diversity, I totally support that, and I think
that students should read different books and should read different authors.
At some point, though the purpose of education is not

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to have an endless buffet line for students to sample
every bad idea in the world. It's to point them
to the good, the true, and the beautiful. And I
think we've lost what the purpose education is. Education in
Latin literally means to lead forth, to lead forth out
of the cave, was the original analogy. And so at
Turning Point Academy, we take the biblical idea to train
a child up in the ways in which they will go,
and we make no apologies for instituting a belief that

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believing in God is better than secularism. The defense of
universal human equality is a good for all humanity, amongst
many other things that you articulated.

Speaker 18 (01:31:24):
So how would you reconcile the importance of freedom, which
is listed as Turning Point USSAYS mission on your website,
with the restrictions on bodily autonomy which you support, including abortion,
transaffirming healthcare, and birth control. And how would you respond
to criticism of your limited view of freedom?

Speaker 10 (01:31:41):
Sure, so, first of all, birth control, I don't have
that stronger views of so I mean, except the fact
that I've criticized how actually young people that take young
women that take hormonal birth control might have side effects
that are not always disclosed them. As far as abortion
and trans affirming care, I'll get in that in a second,
but if I find it well, not from you, of course,
but some of the people that are always very critical

(01:32:03):
of Charlie. Why don't you just believe in bodyly autonomy?
I'm sorry, didn't you just mandate a vaccine for the
last couple years? I couldn't fit your country for two
years because I didn't take a vaccine. So it's my body,
my choice unless it's so it's my body, my choice
if it's another human being in the womb. But it's
not my body my choice if I want to take
a vaccine that was either safe nor effective. And we
almost be very honest about the fact that the public
health experts of both of our countries never apologized for

(01:32:25):
the fact that they made you take a vaccine that,
by the way, has a lot of side effects for
a lot of people in this room, and no one
wants to say that as a side note, though, all
the bodily autonomy people and you guys can laugh all
you want, it's fine. All the bodily autonomy people suddenly
got really silent when we decided to say we're going
to control your body and control the movement of what

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you can do. You can't go to the pub, you
can't go to the local gathering of friends, you can't
go to university. You can't even go to the UK
if you don't have a card. So that's a fun
contradiction for me. At the same time, there's a difference
between freedom or liberty and license. Liberty is the pursuit
of things that allow human beings to flourish at its
highest possible potential. License is not those things. So in
the first thing, you do not have a ability and

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I'm sure there will be a question about this. Under
any agreed upon Western morality, which is derived from a
Christian construct, to murder another human being, you do not
have that freedom. And so we believe, obviously, because we
believe in very basic biology and science, that life begins
at conception, and therefore that life deserves universal human rights
as derided as applied equally under our laws. Okay, I'll

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