The Charlie Kirk Show, November 21, 2025

Commentary on Islam in America, Zohran Mamdani, mass migration, and answering phone in questions.    

Guests: Josh Hammer    

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:17):
The Charlie Kirk Show starts now.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
It speaks volumes that tomorrow we have a communist coming
to the White House, because that's who the Democrat Party
elected as the mayor of the largest city in the country.
I think it's very telling, but I also think it
speaks to the fact that President Trump is willing to
meet with anyone and talk to anyone and to try
to do what's right on behalf of the American people,

(00:40):
whether they live in blue states or red states or
blue cities.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
So our mom, Donnie arrived in Washington, DC already asked
being asked for selfies. That is ahead of today's meeting
with President Trump. The president also making some news. He
previewed the sit down on Brian Kilney's radio show. He
said it might be less.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Hostile than well, I was hitting him a little hard too,
an author. I don't know exactly what it means by
turning the volume up, because turn the vodium up. He
has to be careful when he shows that to me.
I mean, he was very nice in calling, as you know,
and we're going to have a meeting. I guess we
meet at three o'clock today, and I think it's going
to be quite chivil. We'll find out.

Speaker 5 (01:19):
I can tell you there's a lot of people who
have gone into the White House before and you know,
tried to make a scene and tried to have a
big pr event, and I think most of the people
got lapped out of it.

Speaker 6 (01:27):
I mean, we saw that with Zelenski.

Speaker 5 (01:29):
I think I could probably name twenty five people who
went into the White House trying to be tough guys
and it didn't end up all that well for them.
You know, my father's I think, performs probably better than anybody.

Speaker 6 (01:38):
In that moment.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
But we'll see. I mean, my father loves New York.
He cares about New York. He wants to see the
best for New York, so he would have an open door,
and I'm proud of him for having an open door.
I don't think this is the right direction from New York.
I hope this guy is a lot more bravado than he.

Speaker 6 (01:51):
Is real action into the MCA. If she's not for
raising taxes, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:56):
I think that the two clearest ways to raise that
money is through the raising of the state's corporate tax.
To actions in New Jersey. I think that a lot
of this is still a case to be made, whether
it's the corporate tax or that it's the personal income
tax on those who make more than a million dollars.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
A year or more.

Speaker 7 (02:10):
I think that these are the clearest ways. I've also
said that if there are other ways to raise this funding,
the most important fact is that we funded. Not the
question of how we do it, but that we do it.

Speaker 8 (02:19):
California Democrat Congressman Eric Swahwell has been criminally referred to
the Department of Justice accused of mortgage fraud.

Speaker 9 (02:27):
Swalwell has not been charged with anything. This is a
criminal referral. Basically, a government agency thinks that they spotted
something that is positively illegal on mortgage documents from Swawell.
The Justice Department will now review these documents to see
if a prosecutor believes that charges are worthy in this case,
and then we would go from there in the judicial process.

Speaker 10 (02:50):
The first want to speak personally, because there's nobody on
this committee who has been a bigger victim of the
weaponization of the intelligence community than me. So I know
what it's like when an administration misuses the intelligence community

(03:12):
to go after an enemy. I know it.

Speaker 6 (03:15):
I felt it paid the price for it.

Speaker 11 (03:18):
We have no other option. We have to deal with
protecting God's green Earth, but we also should deal with
the climate crisis because the absence of doing it causes
life in America to just continue to become more unaffordable.

Speaker 6 (03:39):
Most terrible.

Speaker 12 (03:39):
Just as a murder of a young father is terrible
that his family was there, I mean, it's just awful.
It's additionally terrible because a political assassination is genuinely dangerous
because we are so combustible society, and the fact that

(04:03):
we're this combustible, A lot of the onus goes two
and me it goes to both sides. But I would
put most of the honest, as will not surprise you,
on the president and his cult. All the people right
of center were watching those awful videos of gen Z
maniacs celebrate Birk's murder, which you didn't have left of
center were prominent people with big platforms, you know, prominent

(04:27):
media figures or you know, to say nothing of political
figures like well, you know, from Obama on.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Down say anything. But this was horrible.

Speaker 12 (04:37):
There's no party left of center for real party for
political assassination, and yet right of center, very prominent people
from the President and Elon on down treated it like
the first shot fired in the Civil War.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Every day there's.

Speaker 13 (05:01):
A battle for your mind, raging information coming from every angle,
but the will to the sieve.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
I fear not. You found the place for truth, the voice, and.

Speaker 13 (05:11):
A generation that still has the will to believe in
the greatest country in the history of the world.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Fuck a lot, here
we go.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
On, all right, Welcome to The Charlie Kirks Show.

Speaker 14 (05:25):
Andrew Colvett here, executive produce of this fine show, joined
by Mikey McCoy, Sir. In the studio. Blake Neff also
in the studio. We may or may not have Pastor
andrews Cedra in Spirit in Spirit coming up soon. It
is Friday, which means it isn't ask us anything Friday
and hour two. So if you want to join us

(05:47):
in hour two ask your questions live on air, please
join us at members dot Charliekirk dot com. That's members
dot Charliekirk dot com. You guys are welcome to join
there and then you can ask us questions live on air,
which seems to be a big hit. We always get
a lot of people coming for that, so that's great.
We got a lot to get to today. We are

(06:08):
talking about the creeping Islamization of the West or Islamification.
It's debatable which which Islamisation Islamization of the West. And
it's key today because we have, of course Zooram mom Donnie,
arguably the most powerful Muslim in America, meeting President Trump

(06:29):
at the White House today. Apparently he reached out, Trump
accepted the invitation and they're meeting at the White House today.

Speaker 6 (06:35):
Also, we have, you.

Speaker 14 (06:39):
Know, lots of other news to get to, including a
fake wa Post story.

Speaker 6 (06:44):
The State Department is coming out swinging.

Speaker 14 (06:46):
There's a lot to get to, but let's start here
with mom Donnie. Is this significant or is it not significant,
Blake that we have a Muslim, communist, socialist, whatever you
want to call him visiting the White House.

Speaker 15 (06:58):
I mean, we have mentioned the Islamic thing, but mostly
with ma'm donnie, Momdnni's clearly not a devout Muslim in
any meaningful way. He like just identifies with Islam to
say I'm not American, I'm not Western. I follow this
alien faith that is historically anti West, anti Western civilization,
which I condemn all the time and want.

Speaker 6 (07:17):
To rip down.

Speaker 15 (07:17):
That's the only way he's Muslim in a meaningful sense. Now,
if you want to see real Islamic government, go to
the UK, where you straight up have you know a
lot huakbar guys who are running for office where gaza is.

Speaker 6 (07:29):
Their number one issue. You know it's really bad.

Speaker 15 (07:32):
You go walk around Birmingham where the Industrial Revolution began,
that was the Silicon Valley of the nineteenth century, and
it's now tons of radical mosques in moms who say
we need Sharia, people just milling about like it's basically
looks like it's Baghdad. Well, I do think this is
still a step in that direction, though, even if he
isn't as radical as some of these ala ak.

Speaker 6 (07:52):
Oh for sure, for sure.

Speaker 15 (07:53):
But yeah, but Blake, you're right, there's actually someone literally
ran in Manchester under the party umbrella of Palestine. Yeah,
like not labor, not conservative, just Palestine.

Speaker 6 (08:03):
And they actually won.

Speaker 15 (08:05):
And so that's that's kind of the representation of this
islam mindset that you get. But it's also interesting that mom,
Donnie's going to meet with Trump when I think he said,
do we have that clip where he says that his
administration is going to be the worst nightmare for Trump.

Speaker 6 (08:21):
They might and then as soon as he gets elected,
he's going in.

Speaker 15 (08:24):
It'll be really interesting to hear how it goes, because
you can think of a few ways.

Speaker 6 (08:27):
One, Trump is a very proud New Yorker. He clearly
has a.

Speaker 15 (08:31):
Ton of fondness for the city, so I can frankly
see if the mayor makes noises about one to play
ball with him. I feel like Trump could be won
over surprisingly easily. But it could also be that mayor
man Donnie sees this as an opportunity to do a
big stunt. He can get a story about how he
had a throwdown argument with Trump in the Oval office

(08:52):
or wherever they're meeting and get a lot of attention
that way. I feel, yeah, either person could be going
into that meeting with an agenda.

Speaker 6 (08:59):
Maybe both of them are, And yeah, we'll find out
what that agenstable.

Speaker 14 (09:01):
Yeah, yeah, exactly three eighty is Zorroon changes his tune
on Trump play it.

Speaker 16 (09:10):
My administration would be Donald Trump's worst nightmare. I have
many disagreements with the President, and I believe that we
should be relentless and pursue all avenues and all meetings
that could make our city affordable for every single New Yorker.
I intend to make it clear to President Trump, but

(09:31):
I will work with him on any agenda that benefits
New Yorkers US.

Speaker 6 (09:36):
It's always fun to watch people change there too. This
is great. And then but by the way, this is
you know, we tell you again.

Speaker 14 (09:42):
I can't stop thinking about Helen Andrews interview, which again
I encourage everybody to go check it out, the great feminization.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
But this is typical like dude behavior.

Speaker 14 (09:52):
Guys tend to like they saber rattle, they say big things,
and then they're like, hey, let's hang out. Let's hear
President Trump three ninety two talking about the tone that
he expects within the White House meeting today.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
Well, I was hitting him a little hard too.

Speaker 17 (10:08):
I don't know exactly what.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
He means by turning the.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
Volume up, because turn the volume up. He has to
be careful when he says that to me. I mean,
he was very nice in calling, as you know, and
we're going to have a meeting. I guess we meet
at three o'clock today, and I think it's gonna be
quite civil. We'll find out.

Speaker 18 (10:25):
This is very Trumpian, super Trumpian. Yeah, this is super
trump Yeah, yeah, super trusts like super tramp. Oh, you're
too young to know what that is.

Speaker 14 (10:33):
But well, but it is interesting because you know, Mom, Donnie,
when we've said this, we've conceded this point that he's
a talented politician in the sense that even his acceptance
speech where he was like.

Speaker 6 (10:45):
Turn the volume up, President, A lot of sociopaths are good.

Speaker 14 (10:49):
Yeah, well, no exactly, and so you know he's smiling
his way. But this is great is that when he
gets challenged on things, he ends up really revealing that
there's not a whole lot there. The emperor has no
close three seventy eight.

Speaker 19 (11:04):
How are you getting that money the seven hundred millions
to make the buses free into the MCA if she's
not for raising taxes, you know, I think that.

Speaker 7 (11:12):
The two clearest ways to raise that money is through
the raising of the state's corporate tax. To matters in
New Jersey, I think that a lot of this is
still a case to be made, whether it's the corporate
tax or that's the personal income tax on those who
make more than a million dollars a year or more.
I think that these are the clearest ways. I've also
said that there are other ways to raise this funding.
The most important fact is that we fund it, not
the question of how we do it, but that.

Speaker 20 (11:33):
We do it.

Speaker 14 (11:35):
So we don't have the money the thing that I
said we were going to do to fund the free
buses and the free stuff socialism, the free stuff populism.

Speaker 6 (11:44):
We can't do it.

Speaker 14 (11:45):
But it's fine, We're going to figure it out. Blake,
there's you know, that's fair enough.

Speaker 6 (11:50):
We'll see see. But that's actually I think that's okay.

Speaker 18 (11:53):
Like we shouldn't be too scared because like, look, I
just think to the Biden administration, literally as soon as
he got elected, Turning Point got an audit, like immediately,
and like they went straight after the J sixers. They
went straight after and they were following up on all these.
They went after Tyler and above and beyond. They went
after Tyler. They went after our team. And so they

(12:14):
spied on us. They spied on us.

Speaker 14 (12:16):
Turning Point was involved unknowingly in Arctic frost, which is
they were spying on this organization. Our own government spied
on Turning Point. Yeah, so I'll just say I'll take
this version of mom Tani.

Speaker 18 (12:28):
There's a lot of say rattling, but on top of that,
I just it shows how unseious of a person he is.
And a very serious city in the United States of
America where it's just like a lot of noise but
not a lot of substance.

Speaker 6 (12:41):
Well, but here's the thing.

Speaker 14 (12:42):
I really believe that if there was not a President
Trump in the White House, if we did not have
control of Congress, both the House and the Senate, that
these people would be unleashed to become their worst versions
of themselves, and the tyranny would spread rapidly.

Speaker 6 (12:57):
So what you're seeing is you're seeing the run of.

Speaker 14 (13:00):
A beginning and and and that will take full bloom
if allowed. And and I think that's why we talked
about why Dearborn is important. What happened yesterday is it
was it's a precursor of this sectarian civil strife that
you know eventually will and could erupt into actual violence

(13:20):
in the streets between Christians and Muslims if this is
allowed to fester. And I and and my case in
point historically is Lebanon. Lebanon used to be basically one
hundred percent Christian. It was controlled by the French, Like
you're gonnao the history better than I. But but then
they sort of cast off their colonial powers and now

(13:41):
Lebanon is.

Speaker 15 (13:44):
Was created to be the Christian country in the Middle East.
It is no longer a Christian country. We don't know
the percentage because it's too politically loaded with their demographics
are so nobody ever can conduct a census.

Speaker 6 (13:57):
It estimated about thirty percent.

Speaker 15 (13:59):
Critic that's so they always will say that it's probably
lower to be honest, because the Christians are wealthier and
they got out of dodge because there was a civil war. Shocker,
because when your country becomes more Islamic, it becomes a
violent dump well.

Speaker 14 (14:12):
And that's essentially what we all have to sort of
brace for and why we are warning about the Islamisation.

Speaker 15 (14:19):
Really remarkable, I can riff your but like we just
had Saudi Arabia visit DC, and everything that's going on
in the Gulf States is they are rapidly becoming less
Islamist by offloading all of their radicals into the West.
It's really glaring. Gotta take a radio break. We'll be
right back in just a few minutes.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
From the campus to the car, the bullhorn to the microphone.
It's the Charlie Kirk Show.

Speaker 14 (14:56):
All right, Welcome back When your payment on your distressed
or defaulted private student loans is so big that you
can't ever get ahead in your finances. I want you
to take a look at why Refi They can help.
Why Refi does not care what your credit score is.
They refinance distressed or defaulted private student loans that others

(15:17):
will not touch. They provide you with a custom loan
payment based on what on your ability to pay.

Speaker 6 (15:25):
That's the key.

Speaker 14 (15:25):
And they will guarantee an interest rate under six percent
and they will work within your means.

Speaker 6 (15:31):
That's the key.

Speaker 14 (15:31):
So if you find yourself in a situation where you
have defaulted or distressed private student loans, you feel you're
like you're up against it. The weight of the financial
world is on your shoulders. It does not have to be,
and that's the key. All of this whole show is
about really one thing, taking control of your own future,
and that means control of your own financial future as well.

Speaker 6 (15:49):
So this is the way you do it.

Speaker 14 (15:51):
Why Refight offers a three minute rate check without any
credit impact. Bad credit is accepted, so there is no
excuse if this is your situation to not call y Refy.

Speaker 6 (16:02):
They are good people, good patriots.

Speaker 14 (16:03):
They support this show they stood by us, They've stood
by Turning Point USA, and we just couldn't think any
more highly of them. They're amazing people. So check out
y refly by calling eight eight eight y refight thirty four.
That's eight eight eight y refight thirty four or log
on today at yrefi dot com. May not be available
in all fifty states, but if it is in your state,

(16:24):
you got to check it out.

Speaker 6 (16:26):
Blake, you flag this for me. This is amazing. We're
going to get into it in the next segment. And
this is the Department of State.

Speaker 14 (16:31):
It's not disconnected from Mom Donni visit in the White House.
In this Rise of Islam and Dearborn, the State Department
is now extending an olive branch to Europeans and basically saying, hey,
you are treating human rights in a two tiered system.
You are giving favorability to migrants and rape gangs, and

(16:54):
you're turning another the other cheek to those people while
you're also discriminating, discriminate anything against your native born sons
and daughters. And it is a very based tweet from
the Department of State, and we're going to get into
it in just a second. When we welcome back national
radio in five seconds. All right, Blake Nest walk us

(17:27):
through this State Department tweet because it is in a
word based Yeah, all right, no, no.

Speaker 6 (17:32):
So it's just a thread. I'll just treat the whole thing. Yeah.

Speaker 15 (17:36):
Mass migration poses an existential threat to Western civilization and
undermines the stability of key American allies. Today, the State
Department instructed US embassies to report on the human rights
implications and public safety impacts of mass migration.

Speaker 6 (17:51):
Mass migration is a human rights concern.

Speaker 15 (17:54):
Western nations have endured crime waves, terror attacks, sexual assaults,
and displacement of communities. US officials will urge governments to
take bold action and defend citizens against the threats posed
by mass migration. Officials will omnious going to skip ahead
to when they cite some examples. In the United Kingdom,
thousands of girls have been victimized in Rotherham, Oxford and
Newcastle by grooming gangs involving migrant men. Many girls were

(18:18):
left to suffer unspeakable abuse for years before authorities stepped in.
In Sweden, an eritrean migrant convicted of raping a sixteen
year old girl, was allowed to remain in the country
after a judge ruled that the incident was not a
quote exceptionally exceptionally serious crime and did not warrant deportation.
In Germany, nine men, several of them migrants, were convicted

(18:40):
for the gang rape of a fifteen year old. A
German woman who insulted one of the rapists online was
given a harsher sentence than the perpetrators themselves. US officials
will now scrutinize policies in Western nations that give leniency
to migrant crime and human rights abuses, or that create
two tier systems that prioritize migrants at the expense of

(19:04):
their own citizens. The US supports the sovereignty of our
allies and calls on governments to engage with the growing
number of citizens concerned about mass migration. We stand ready
to assist our allies in solving the global crisis of migration.

Speaker 6 (19:19):
Wow, yes, I am pretty sure. I haven't confirmed.

Speaker 15 (19:22):
I'm pretty sure our friend Sarah Rodgers was involved in
making that policy, but she hasn't confirmed.

Speaker 6 (19:28):
We cannot confirm.

Speaker 15 (19:29):
As close to her heart as it is close to mine.
It sounds like something that she and Charlie talked about.

Speaker 14 (19:34):
You should find that meme the light switch meme, because
it really is if you want to know what and listen,
I'm not scapegoating. There are good immigrants, I get it,
and some of them are very patriotic and we're lucky
to have them. However, a policy of mass migration. One
of the things that really bothers me is this what
it's mentioned in this tweet about the displacement of communities.

(19:56):
I was just on a phone call with a friend
last night who lives in Dallas, and he said that
his parents live in a neighborhood next to him, and
it used to be this neighborhood with Halloween trick or
treating that all the kids would go out and Christmas
lights and they would have block parties. And now he said,
it's basically all Indians, that all the former residents of
that neighborhood have been displaced moved out. The way that

(20:19):
they interact with their neighbors is really like uncomfortable.

Speaker 6 (20:23):
There's a lot of glaring that goes on with the women.

Speaker 14 (20:25):
I'm not saying that it's all of them, but this
is a report from a friend that's saying and by
the way, you go to the malls there and it's
basically all Indians. Now, this is a neighborhood in Dallas, Texas,
Red Texas, and most of that is coming from h
one B's it's coming from legal immigrations, coming from family
reunification policies.

Speaker 6 (20:43):
And that displacement used to.

Speaker 14 (20:47):
Be a liberal value that they would bemoan in long
thought pieces in the Atlantic and the New Yorker when
it would come to inner city gentrification during the early
two thousands, they would talk about the displacement in San Francisco,
in Brooklyn and these types of places, and they would
they write sympathetically about those communities that get displaced. Well,
now with mass migration, it's Americans that are getting displaced

(21:07):
from their own communities. It's Americans of all stripes, of
all colors, of all backgrounds, all economic levels.

Speaker 6 (21:13):
And there's not a drop of sympathy from the left.
That's so well said.

Speaker 15 (21:18):
Yeah, it's just well, So hopefully this is paving the
way I think what there might be setting up. It'd
be very interesting if the US, for example, gave asylum
to people who basically are persecuted for free speech reasons
for saying I don't care country to become an islam.

Speaker 6 (21:31):
Ast heell hole. But you could do other stuff.

Speaker 15 (21:33):
It'd be interesting if we were, because you could also
set up to say, oh, well, the US, we have
these mechanisms for carrying about human rights abroad. So we're
going to sanction a judge who issues something that indicates
a two tier justice ruling in the UK or in Germany.

Speaker 6 (21:47):
There's a lot of interesting things we could do to just.

Speaker 15 (21:49):
Start throwing our weight around a bit and saying, actually,
it does matter a lot that all of our supposed
NATO allies are closest to allies are becoming places where
they're replacing their own populations.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
They're making it illegal to complain about it.

Speaker 15 (22:02):
They're treating white people as inherent oppressors who should be
punished more severely by the judicial system. They're not enforcing
the law against migrants. They're letting sharia courts take over
their biggest thing.

Speaker 14 (22:14):
We see a form of this in the United States too,
where criminals, if you happen to be of a quote
unquote marginalized class, are allowed to terrorize communities with impunity.
You saw this in Chicago this week, where it maybe
get me the facts on this case, but basically this
gentleman had been arrested what like forty priors and then
he sets a woman on.

Speaker 15 (22:34):
Fire on endless Yeah, and it really is throw it
up now. I think it's the new whatever it is
to fix everything.

Speaker 6 (22:40):
Switch.

Speaker 15 (22:41):
It is so so many of these things are so
basically fixable. It's enforced the law in cities and it's
stop importing eighteen billion people. It's the fix everything easily
switched and everyone's like, no, we've never pressed that switch before.

Speaker 6 (22:57):
It can't be that simple, but it is here. Here's
my thing.

Speaker 14 (23:00):
It's great that the State Department is doing this. It's
unfortunate that we still have mass migration to the United States.
That's the sad fact. Josh Hammer on what as an
American joins us Next, Welcome back to.

Speaker 17 (23:17):
This Real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. The
flies are probably gathering on the wall of the Oval
Office as we speak, as President Trump will hosts New
York's Mayor elect Zoran Mamdani this afternoon. The President's schedule
says the event is close to the press, but we're
hopeful that it does open up so that you can
see and hear what the duo talks about. Today's meeting

(23:39):
will bring together two men who are virtually on opposite
ends of the political spectrum, as Mamdani is widely considered
a communist despite calling himself a democratic socialist.

Speaker 16 (23:51):
For tens of thousands of New Yorkers, this meeting is
between two very different candidates who they voted for for
the same reason. They wanted a leader who would take
on the cost of living crisis that makes it impossible
for working people to afford living in the city. I
intend to make it clear to President Trump that I
will work with him on any agenda that benefits New Yorkers.

(24:14):
If an agenda hurts New Yorkers, I will also be
the first to say something.

Speaker 17 (24:19):
Today, by the way, will mark the first time the
duo talks face to face. With the midterm election on
the horizon, Republicans are getting a breath of fresh air
from the state of North Carolina. Several US House districts
drawn by North Carolina Republicans in twenty twenty three have
just been upheld by a pamel of federal judges. The
judges rejected accusations that the voting lines were created to

(24:42):
weaken the voting power of Black Americans and black voters specifically. However,
the trio didn't rule on charges that North Carolina's first
congressional district was specifically drawn to unseat Democrat Representative Don
Davis next year. The ruling comes just weeks before candidate
filing for next year's midterms opens up on December first,

(25:03):
North Carolina. North Carolina's ruling is a bit of a
good news for Republicans after a federal court block Texas
from using its new GOP drawing voting maps in an
effort to shore up the Republican majority in the US
House next year. Now, the new information on that deadly
ups plane crash in Louisville, Kentucky. Federal investigators are out

(25:25):
with brand new photos showing one of the plane's engines
starting to detach from the plane before the wing catches fire.
They also say there's evidence of cracks in the left
wings engine mount before takeoff. That's a quick check of
your headlines.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
The Great Reset stops here the Charlie Cook Show.

Speaker 14 (26:00):
All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

Speaker 6 (26:04):
We're gonna tell you about Hillsdale really quick.

Speaker 14 (26:06):
One of Charlie's absolute favorite things in the world was
Hillsdale College. He called it the Beacon of the North,
the best university, best college in the United States. And
if you go to Charlie for Hillsdale, I just love it.
It says learn like Charlie did. Charlie took thirty one
of the Hillsdale online courses.

Speaker 6 (26:24):
That's thirty one.

Speaker 14 (26:25):
I think it was basically when he got to thirty one,
it was all they had.

Speaker 6 (26:28):
Now they have forty.

Speaker 14 (26:29):
They have more than forty, and they have a new
one on totalitarian novels, top by the legendary doctor Larry
arn who has been with us recently. In this studio,
he talks about the totalitarian novels nineteen eighty four, Brave
New World, Darkness at Noon and that Hideous Strength, And
that course you get to learn about these novels that
are written in the nineteen thirties.

Speaker 6 (26:49):
And forties, but they are more relevant today than ever.

Speaker 14 (26:52):
You know, we're talking about Mom Donnie, the rise of communism,
the rise of Islamo fascism, and they are extraordinarily important
because they're gonna come to us through a different iteration
in this day and age. They show us, these novels,
they show us that faith family, friends, and this country
are still worth fighting for. Maybe you read these books
long ago in school, maybe you've heard others talk about

(27:14):
them and they seem a little intimidating. Let Hillsdale College
and doctor Larry arn make the most.

Speaker 6 (27:18):
Of them for you.

Speaker 14 (27:19):
Go right now to Charlie for Hillsdale dot com to enroll.
Charlie for Hillsdale dot com right now to enroll. They
got so many good things. Constitution one on one, c S.
Lewis on Christianity, the Federalist Papers, introduction to Aristotle's Ethics,
and how to lead a Good life, The Great American Story,
a Land of Hope. They got so many good online courses.
You got to check it out. Charlie for Hillsdale dot com.

Speaker 6 (27:42):
All right.

Speaker 14 (27:43):
Joining us now is Josh Hammer, Senior Editor at Large Newsweek,
host of The Josh Hammer Show. And he has a
new peace out this morning that is fascinating and near
and dear to Charlie's heart. And that is a question
that he spent a lot of time thinking about and
talking about in his final days.

Speaker 6 (27:58):
What is an American? Josh Hammer? Well them to the
Charlie Kirk Show. Andrew is great to see my friend yeah,
you too as well.

Speaker 14 (28:05):
So you Charlie used to talk about the difference between
a paperwork American versus a real American, and we were
still sort of working on our working definition.

Speaker 6 (28:15):
Of what it was.

Speaker 14 (28:15):
I don't think we had settled the story yet or
settled the debate internally, but we definitely knew that paperwork
alone did not make one an American, at least in
an important sense of where their loyalties are, where their
values are at, even where their language is at. Yes,
there is a piece of paperwork that will infer your
legal right to be here to vote in our elections,

(28:37):
that sort of thing for our audience, Josh, define what
the difference between the paperwork and a true American truly is?

Speaker 21 (28:47):
Well, Angel, I'll do the best I can. I'm not
sure that I have an elevator pitch kind of ten
second answer to that question, but I will do the
best I can. Let me take a step back and
say that this whole debate kind of reminds me of
this piece that I read from a University of Virginia
political science professor named James Caesar, many many years ago.
He was talking about because you know Edgy, as you

(29:07):
know from my previous appearance this year. I'm also a lawyer,
so I think a lot about the separation of powers
the Constitution, and their professor Caesar has this notion where
he contrasts a literal violation of these separation of powers
in a black letter article one, article two, article three
of the Constitution sense versus kind of a more political
violation of the separation of powers. So his point was

(29:28):
that you could, even if you're not technically violating the
separation of powers under the Supreme Court precedents or whatnot there,
you could spiritually violate the overarching tenor of our separation
of powers that is ultimately our number one safeguard for
liberty in this country. So that's kind of the analogy
that I take to this what is an American question?
Which I wrote about today and was really kind of

(29:50):
prompted by Zora Mamdani coming to visit Donald Trump.

Speaker 6 (29:52):
Is he an American?

Speaker 21 (29:54):
All these folks who are in dearborn Michigan, who are
chanting all who ackbar death to America?

Speaker 6 (29:59):
Is this what it means to be an American?

Speaker 22 (30:00):
Right?

Speaker 21 (30:00):
I mean, all sorts of just crazy, crazy stuff. And
then the most recent allegations of the fraud in Minnesota
when it comes to the Minnesota taxpayers being the number
one subsidizer of al Shabab, the formerly al Qaeda offiction
now independent Suni Islamic terroristorization in Somalia. All this stuff,
I think really raises this question that indeed Charlie was
thinking a lot, a lot about in those final months.

Speaker 6 (30:22):
It raises it to the forefront.

Speaker 21 (30:23):
So the paperweight definition of being assistant, that you are borner, nationalized,
and cizenship is necessary, but it is hardly sufficient. It
is not sufficient, I think to be an American in
the sense of the term that we should think of
being an American, an American as someone who is acculturated
into the inherited historical traditions, folk ways, and general just

(30:43):
ways of life.

Speaker 6 (30:44):
Of this country.

Speaker 21 (30:45):
And this country ever since its founding days Andrew has
been really shaped by its majority Protestant culture. You hear
a lot about the Protestant work ethic things like that there.
And you know, I think about my own ancestors, right,
my own ancestors, Jews from Eastern euro who came during
the Ellis Island immigration way of late nineteenth century early
twentyth century.

Speaker 6 (31:03):
For them, it was fairly obvious that you don't.

Speaker 21 (31:06):
Just have to become a citizen, you don't just have
to learn the language, you don't just have to pay
your taxes, do all that there, but you really do
have to become deeply involved in the folk ways, in
the general way of life of the country. There there's
something thicker, we might say, there's something morally and historically
thicker than just paying your taxes and speaking the languages.
By the way, a lot of these folks are not
doing that then, not even paying their taxes speaking the language.

(31:28):
But I think for previous generations of migrants, they understood
that even that is enough, that you have to really
kind of become a full participant in what John Jay
in the Federals number two, one of the first essays
the Federalist Papers, famously starts writing about about how Americans
were descended from a common stock and they had similar
mannerisms and a similar religion. There And I'm not saying

(31:49):
that everyone has to be a Protestant. I'm Jewish, of course,
but whether you're a Jewish, Protestant, Catholic, or in theory
potentially if you're of a different religion, there you really
do have to publicly a culture yourself and publicly assimilate
into the Protestant majority inherited culture that goes back hundreds
of years, well before the American found thing, frankly into
into into British culture. So that's kind of how I

(32:11):
think about it, Andrew. And when I see things like
like Michigan, what I definitely do not see is a
culturated Americanism. But you know, look me personally, I can
be I can be an observant Jew in my private life,
which which I am and praise be to GODFA I'm
very happy with that. But I am a very fully
public facing American because I fully participate in this country's
civic institutions. I am engaged in the act of trying

(32:33):
to preserve and conserve our inherited traditions from one generation
to the next. And I am deeply thankful, indeed grateful
for this country's long standing Protestant traditions, with which really
know one better I think embodied than our friend Charlie Creer.

Speaker 6 (32:49):
We argued with Charlie.

Speaker 15 (32:50):
I remember we had one of our later thought crimes.
We had that discussion. You know, are It's like, are
you basically more American if you are Protestant, and obviously
I'm Catholic jack within ethic, but we have that dispate
because I was like, America really is, like it is
a Protestant country. That is what it's founding, is that fractiousness,
that hostility to a certain level of authority. So even

(33:11):
American Catholics are actually a bit Protestant because they're always
arguing with the pope and finding him in The most Protestant.

Speaker 6 (33:17):
Catholics in the world are American. Yeah, it's it's very
funny and uh.

Speaker 15 (33:20):
And of course you see that with American Jews as well.
They adopted a lot of that. And it's something I
think about with the Islamization thing. Obviously, in America we
have the First Amendment, we have freedom of religion. But
I've often had that thought, can even the freedom of
American Muslims to practice their religion really survive if America
becomes too much of an Islamic country, I feel it

(33:43):
will lose too much of that historic heritage.

Speaker 14 (33:46):
The historical heritage is and really the founders of the country.
We're talking about freedom of religion. You know, you could
be a Quaker, you can be an Anglican, you can be.
That's really what they were talking about. They weren't even
sure if the I mean we had Maryland, you know,
but but not by then. Okay, yeah, But the point
is that that really that's what they were thinking about.

(34:08):
They were thinking about different faith traditions, denominations within the
Protestant patchwork, if you will, coming from you know, Mother England.
And I do think that you know, Charlie said this
very clearly. He said, Islam is not compatible with the West.
Islam is not compatible with the West.

Speaker 6 (34:26):
So what do we do? Josh?

Speaker 14 (34:27):
I mean, you say it really well here. You say,
you kind of reflect on dearborn and you say the
United States was never a blank slate society, like any nation,
has a distinct inheritance. And you you, you say, this
is the challenge of dearborn. It is too many distinct
cultural communities now reject this framework. So what do we
do Because a lot of these people we can't get.

(34:49):
We can't denaturalize some of these we can't strip them
of their citizenship. We're still dealing with birthright citizenship, which
I think is completely farcical.

Speaker 6 (34:58):
What do we do?

Speaker 21 (35:01):
Yeah, something is briefly before answer that question, Andrew echo
your point, which is that the American Founding was really
going was supposed to be a passwork essentially of different
Protestant sets. In fact, the original meaning of the establishing clause,
the First Amendment, Congress shall make no law respecting the
establishment of Religion, does not mean quote unquote separation of
church and state. Rather, it was actually just a federalism provision.

(35:21):
Congress shall make the law because the states can make laws.

Speaker 6 (35:24):
In fact, they literally.

Speaker 21 (35:26):
Did that for decades and decades after the Founding. For instance,
the Commonwealth of Massachusetts had the Established Church of Congregationalism
until the eighteen thirties. There's many other examples there, so
your point is actually is very well taken. There also
were using Catholics who were there at the time of
the founding. It was definitely heavily Protestant, but Jewsing Catholics
were very much there. For instance, the no religious test

(35:46):
clause in the Constitution, where there will be no test
for office, no oath by certain religion, and that was
Alexander Hamilton's work.

Speaker 6 (35:54):
He put that in there.

Speaker 21 (35:56):
The historian historians typically say on behalf of his Jewish
friends and colleagues there that some people debate that, but
there was definitely an element there of trying to look
out for the Jews and Catholics. So they were definitely there,
but it really was that this Protestant Patchwork's your point
is very well taken. Look, Charlie is essentially or he
was essentially correct that Islam is not compatible with Western civilization.
I defined Western civilization, Andrew I define it as the

(36:18):
ecumenical Biblical inheritance. Now there is a role certainly for
Greco Roman reason. There is a big role frankly for
Greco Roman reason. But we talk about what the West is.
At its core, it is the outgrowth of the Bible.
Is the outgrowth or the two biblical religions of Judaism
and Christianity. That is how I defined the West, and
that is how I conceive it. So is Islam compatible
with that? Well, at a theoretical level, no, I mean

(36:41):
it seems pretty obvious frankly that it is not. Islam
has been at war with Christianity and obviously Judaism in
more modern tized but really historically at war of Christianity
essentially since since Islam was founded. So I mean the
historical record, whether it's the Siege of Vienna in the
seventeenth century, whether it's the First and Second Barbary Wars
under the Jefferson and Madison presidency, a long historical track record.

(37:01):
Even saying that Islam is not probably compatible with Western civilization,
Here's what I will say. Here's the caveat to that.
That is not that that blanket categorical statement is not
to say that there are not individual dispensations. I'm not
to say that each and every individual Muslim cannot be
a good American. So Abe Hammada right there in Arizona,
Judy Jasser also in Arizona, any number of other individuals

(37:24):
I can think of there any number of patriotic, great
American citizen Muslims. But at a categorical scale, At a
categorical scale, no, I do not think Islam is compatible
with Western civilization or frankly with with Sophy America.

Speaker 6 (37:37):
What do we do? Do we stop?

Speaker 14 (37:40):
Well, the mass immigration from Islamic countries.

Speaker 21 (37:44):
So stopping mass immigration, I think is the lowest hanging through.
We should obviously do that. Personally, Andrew, I have to
describe to a short term, full scale immigration moratorium period,
full stop.

Speaker 6 (37:52):
End of story.

Speaker 21 (37:52):
But definitely, definitely a moratorium when it comes to every
Muslim majority moratorium.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
That's what I that's what I want to push.

Speaker 14 (37:59):
There just doesn't seem to be an appetite for that
yet in Washington to even address the legal question.

Speaker 6 (38:06):
There's not.

Speaker 21 (38:07):
I mean, Trumpy's credit got behind this with with the
Raise Acts back in his first turn.

Speaker 6 (38:12):
Tom Cotton.

Speaker 14 (38:13):
We had a lot of issues with Tom Cotton, but
Tom Cotton was right about the Rays Act, and it
would have I guess it would remind me of the details.
Would have been like fifty percent. It would have been
five hundred thousand green cards a year as opposed to
one point two that we do now, and it would
have been merit based. Hang right there, Josh, we got
to take a quick quick.

Speaker 6 (38:32):
Time out here.

Speaker 14 (38:33):
I'm going to tell you guys about Good Ranchers. The
good folks at Good Ranchers. They're running a special with
the holidays coming up. Here's the deal. Good Ranchers is
one hundred percent American. What is an American? What is
American meat?

Speaker 6 (38:43):
Well?

Speaker 14 (38:43):
Good Ranchers has only American meat raised on local farms
and ranches, delivered right to your door. Truly incredible quality.
I'm a subscriber and the benefits are amazing. You get
twenty five dollars off every box, free shipping, and a
free gift in every order for life. You get their
chicken thighs bacon Italian side. You can swap the free
meat gift each month so you can try something new

(39:04):
each time without you know having to to purchase it.
And if you're worried about committing to a subscription, don't be.

Speaker 6 (39:10):
You can posit at any time.

Speaker 14 (39:12):
With the holidays right around the corner, this is the
perfect time to start your subscription.

Speaker 6 (39:16):
This is the kind of gift your friends and.

Speaker 14 (39:17):
Family are gonna love and they're actually gonna get excited about.
So please consider going to good ranchers dot com. Order
by December. First use the code Kirk and you get
an extra one hundred dollars off your first three orders.
This is their best deal ever, so Good ranchers dot
Com promo code Kirk, Ben and Corley are amazing. People
support their business as they support America.

Speaker 6 (39:38):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Charlie kirk Show. We'd talk meat action.

Speaker 6 (39:52):
All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirkshow.

Speaker 14 (39:54):
I'm gonna play a clip from Charlie talking about the
what is that American question?

Speaker 6 (40:00):
And let's go ahead and play cut four three.

Speaker 20 (40:03):
We have reduced Americanism down to well, have you filled
out your paperwork? And the Left doesn't even believe that
they believe Americans. This is the presence of being in
the United States of America. So what is an American?
The best way I can answer it, it is someone
that has demonstrated through objective measurements and markers that this
is home, that you have more than respect or reverence,

(40:25):
that you're willing to die, that you are all in,
that this is a place that you're willing to bleed
for and sacrifice for. This is not a dumping ground
for the third world. This is not a social experiment.
You you had a tear in your eye on July fourth,
that you worship God, not Allah. That you have you
have a you have a sense of weight and responsibility,

(40:48):
that you care about your fellow neighbor. An American is
more than just someone that has us passport.

Speaker 14 (40:55):
I think it's fair to say that Charlie Kirk is
the literal embodiment of what a man.

Speaker 15 (41:00):
Charlie, Yeah, not the least, because he basically looks like
he fell out like seventeen seventy five though, But.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
I mean, what's funny?

Speaker 14 (41:08):
Oh yeah, let's welcome back National Radio and three minutes,
three seconds.

Speaker 6 (41:11):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 14 (41:23):
All right, Welcome back to the final segment of Hour
one with Josh Hammer, host of The Josh Hammer Show
and editor at large at Newsweek.

Speaker 6 (41:32):
New piece, What is an American?

Speaker 14 (41:33):
We just played that clip of Charlie describing like an
American and it just comes out of his pores, man,
and I just love it. You get a tear in
your eye on July fourth? Do you worship God not
Allah Blake?

Speaker 6 (41:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (41:46):
Just what's funny is at this point it's almost that
clip we just played doesn't go far enough because it's
not even the left thinks you're American if you live here.
The left actually has pretty much inverted it where you're
only an American if you are not from here. If
you're actually from America, you're somehow not a real lesson
because you're a lesson you don't hold the right views
on this or that thing. The superior American is always

(42:07):
the American who hasn't been found yet. We need to
have spent hundreds of billions of dollars to go and
find all the Americans scattered throughout the entire world and
bring them here to give them.

Speaker 6 (42:16):
Well, now it's true.

Speaker 14 (42:16):
I mean Democrats and their socialists and communist coalition partners.

Speaker 6 (42:22):
I mean they essentially want an.

Speaker 14 (42:24):
America where borders are open, drugs pour in from abroad.
Crime is allowed because you know, racism. Foreigners rule over
native born citizens. White people are taxed into subjugation. Men
are compliant, quiet and castrated. Little girls share bathrooms with
perverted men. Christianity is outlawed. Why Muslim called a prayer
rings out in the streets? Truth is censored, and you know,

(42:46):
the military cankup a sitting president if they think that
he's doing something that they don't like. Josh, I want
to flip the conversation a little bit to that direction.
You're a lawyer, and there's a lot of argument about
this video that the Seditious Six as they're calling them now,
have put out basically saying, hey, you don't you shouldn't
obey the president. President comes out and says, hey, guess

(43:07):
what the penalty for sedition?

Speaker 6 (43:10):
Uh, seditious conspiracy is death?

Speaker 14 (43:13):
And then every all hell breaks loose and so that's
our current moment. What is sedition? Define it for us
Josh and legal terms and did it? Did this meet
the threshold?

Speaker 21 (43:23):
Well, sedition, Andrew would be a plot to overthrow the regime,
a plot to overthrow the American government, to to potentially
to assassinate the president, to try to to to do
what you can illegally to to essentially destroy the very
existence of the House represented is absent and constitutional amendments,

(43:45):
these were possible grounds for sedition. Now, this this video
was disgusting. I mean I did a whole episode on
it on my own show. I said, this is clearly
incitement to insurrection?

Speaker 6 (43:54):
Is it literally sedition?

Speaker 21 (43:56):
I mean the reason I'm hesitating Andrews because when you
have elected officials like this, it seems to me like
there is potentially another remedy in place rather than trying
to prosecute in grounds of sedition, which is that you
could also just try to expel these members of Congress.
You could try to expel Senor Kelly Center slocking people
like that there. That that is something that that's one
possible remedy. You know, as a lawyer, I think I

(44:16):
think not just about the possible crime, but about remedies
as well, So one remedy could just be expelling is also,
of course, the remedy of the ballot box.

Speaker 6 (44:23):
Look, I definitely would not be upset.

Speaker 21 (44:25):
I mean if the DJ really decides to pursue this
thing and actually decides to say that this is this
is a literal seditious conspiracy. It's a total cell phone
in the politics, by the way, I mean, what what
who are they playing to? I mean literally, who were
they playing to other than the most radical elements of
Mendonnie coalition. It's absolutely nuts.

Speaker 6 (44:41):
It came out of nowhere too.

Speaker 14 (44:43):
And then and then you've got this representative Crow basically saying, well,
I wasn't calling for them to disobey anything just yet.
Well we have three years left of Trump, and I
just wanted to, you know, I wanted to bring up
the possibility. I mean, it's so that's You're absolutely right.
The politics of it were insane. So they they've cell
phoned themselves. But I think what President Trump was rightfully doing,
I'll be honest, Like the first time I saw it,

(45:03):
I thought I was like, Okay, you guys are trying
to be cute with illegal orders, Like who's to define
what's illegal is drug boats in the international water bombing
those That is that illegal to you?

Speaker 6 (45:14):
Is National Guard.

Speaker 14 (45:15):
Troops in in Chicago or Portland?

Speaker 6 (45:18):
Is that illegal to you?

Speaker 14 (45:19):
So I knew they were being cute, but then when
President Trump got really upset about it, I was like,
you know what, He's right, like, these two people are
playing with fire and they need to be like warned.
They need a brush back pitch.

Speaker 6 (45:29):
I don't think that. I agree. I don't think the.

Speaker 14 (45:30):
Remedy necessarily needs to be immediately. Let's like, you know,
try them for treason. But at the same time, they
needed a brushback pitch, brush back pitch, Josh Hammer, final
word to you one minute?

Speaker 21 (45:41):
Yeah, no, look, I mean, but this is who they are.
And I think I think the point that I will
leave the audience on is this. We are now almost
a year and a half SAMs Butler, Pennsylvania. We are
now over a year since the second attended assassination in
West Pond Beach, Florida. And there's obviously here we are
twenty half months or two plus minds after the assassination
of our friend Charlie.

Speaker 6 (45:59):
Kirk, and they're still doing this.

Speaker 21 (46:00):
They're still talking about Trump as a Hitler write, tyrannical figure.
They're still talking about the American government. There's a bunch
of Nazis. They're still talking about playing fast and loose
with sedition. All the while they are flooding this country
of people who hate America, who are not really Americans,
and a thicker, meanful says to the term it's all
just totally dysopian. Is yet another reminder that we have
to do everything we can possibly do to keep these

(46:21):
wretched Harrodins out of power in these United States.

Speaker 14 (46:24):
Well said, Well said Josh Hammer, host of The Josh
Hammer Show, Editor at large Newsweek a great new piece
on what does an American check it out? Josh, thanks
for joining us, My friend, my pleasure.

Speaker 6 (46:33):
Thanks Andrew.

Speaker 14 (46:34):
All right, our two coming up next, and that's when
we get into ask Us Anything. If you want to
join that, please send your questions in. We're going to
bring you in live on air. Members Dot Charliekirk dot com.
Sign up right now, Join us members dot Charlie Kirk
dot com. Our two ask Us Anything, Mike McCoy, Blake
Neff and myself.

Speaker 6 (46:53):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 17 (47:14):
Welcome back to this real America's Voice news Break. I'm
Terrence Bates, President Trump ending this week with the bang
as he is set to host New York's Mayor elect
Zoran Mam Donnie at the White House here in just
a few hours. Mam Donnie is a self proclaimed democratic socialist,
but the President calls him an outright communist. Today will
mark their first face to face meeting. We're oul Congressional

(47:37):
correspondent Billy Benny ray Harmony joining us from Capitol Hill
this morning with the very latest. So what's the reaction
there on Capitol Hill to the President getting ready to
host Mom Donnie.

Speaker 23 (47:50):
Yeah, I think overall it's a good day. It shows
the both sides coming together, you know, in unity, Terrence.
These two is Mom Donnie as well as President Trump.
They have been active in opposition to each other. From
Zorn's acceptance speech when he became mayor elect saying telling

(48:11):
President Trump to turn the volume up, that he wants
to fight President Trump, and then you have President Trump
saying that he thinks they will get along just fine.
So this meeting is set to kick off today here
at three pm in the Oval Office, and as of
now it is closed to press. But we know how
President Trump likes to give members of the press that
inside look, so we do expect potentially that they will

(48:33):
open that up to two members of the press and
hopefully our Brian Glynn will We'll get some questions in.

Speaker 17 (48:39):
As with the rest of the country, affordability is an
issue that New Yorkers are struggling with right now. It's
also something that members of Congress are going to be
talking about and trying to deal with once they return
from the holiday break.

Speaker 23 (48:54):
Yeah, and Terrence, this past week it was very heavy
on the Epstein at Transparency Act and talked a lot
about this. And so when members get back on December first,
they have a journed today where they actually did pass
a bill that is against socialism, so it's all about
denouncing socialism. But when they come back December first, we

(49:17):
expect the conversation to be all about healthcare and affordability.
Everything from snap benefits to Medicaid. These will be addressed, Terrence,
because we're coming up on that December thirty first deadline
of tax credits ending, as well as the potential another
government shutdown that could be happening at the end of January.
So affordability, healthcare, those are the two top things we

(49:38):
expect in December to really really hit the ground running
with just really quickly.

Speaker 17 (49:43):
I want to get back to that bill that was
just passed. That's interesting, the House passing and bill to
denounce socialism as Zora and Mondami will be in the
Oval office. Is this the House sending a message at Terrence.

Speaker 6 (49:57):
Absolutely.

Speaker 23 (49:57):
I think Speaker Johnson had a for this. I mean
this passed just three short hours before. We have a
socialist self described socialist and communists coming right to the
White House to discuss this, and so I believe that
Zorn is going to be coming and people here here
in Washington. It's going to be very interesting because we
don't really know what's going through those lawmakers' heads, but

(50:19):
we know what they're doing.

Speaker 24 (50:21):
No.

Speaker 17 (50:21):
Absolutely, that's interesting. That's definitely a developing storyline. Again, we
are coming up against that January twentieth deadline. Lawmakers are
going to be heading home over the next day or
so for the Thanksgiving holiday, But once they do return
in December, there's just not a whole lot of legislative
days to get a lot of work done.

Speaker 23 (50:43):
No, there's not, And Terrence, one of the biggest things
this week we really expected some sort of conversation on affordability,
but it was so skewed to these Epstein files and
the Democrats trying to push back against Trump with them
insisting that these Epstein files get released. But it's hard
because this deadline is coming very very fast, and like

(51:06):
you said, there's not enough time in December, a couple
weeks of legislative session, and then you also have the
subpoenas that went out to Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton.
They have to report to the Oversight Committee December seventeenth
and December eighteenth.

Speaker 6 (51:20):
So is this Epstein thing gonna.

Speaker 23 (51:22):
Continue to get dragged out or are we really gonna
focus on affordability and fixing some of these major issues
that Americans are talking about.

Speaker 17 (51:30):
Not a lot of gift giving in December for folks
there on Capitol Hill, as it will be more work
than fun. For sure, we appreciate you being here. Always
good to see you. If I don't see you before Thanksgiving,
enjoy your holiday.

Speaker 23 (51:44):
Thank you, Terrence, you too talk about it, of course.

Speaker 17 (51:46):
We'll talk soon, and once again we'll continue to cover
all the happenings in Washington, DC, particularly New York. Is
Mayor Alec zoraman Domini being with President Trump in the
Oval Office. If in fact it does open up to
the meeting, count on rav to be there for you.

Speaker 14 (52:20):
All right, welcome back Hour two of The Charlie Kirk Show.
Andrew covid here, executive producer of this show, joined by
Mikey McCoy.

Speaker 6 (52:29):
And Blake Nef in studio.

Speaker 14 (52:31):
We're gonna be taking your questions this hour. Uh So
please join us members dot Charliekirk dot com, members dot
Charliekirk dot com.

Speaker 6 (52:40):
We have a written one here if we want to
start with that, Let's.

Speaker 15 (52:42):
Let's start with Uh, let's start with Jen. I think
all right, let's start with Jen.

Speaker 24 (52:49):
Jen?

Speaker 6 (52:50):
Hey, Jen, how are you good?

Speaker 25 (52:53):
How are you?

Speaker 6 (52:53):
I'm great? What's your question? So?

Speaker 8 (52:58):
I'm a homeschool mom who basically all an issue in
our community. I've tried to step up and find a
different solution.

Speaker 6 (53:07):
Borg Florida.

Speaker 8 (53:07):
So basically, we have county commissioners who voted to pass
a new tax and none of them live in our
actual area, so we don't. It's literal what I've been
teaching in our homeschool his taxation without representation, right, So
I started an initiative that took this solution. It's a
little bit outside of the box. I've spent a lot

(53:29):
of time researching and talking to people in the community.
And this week our local newspaper did a report on it,
on our effort, and they it was very negative and
kind of mocked me for it. People really can't get
past the headline and it is it's a little radical
to some, but I'm proposing a new county for our
area to give us a little bit more representation and

(53:51):
naming it after President Trump. So my question kind of is,
how do you guys, you know, how did Charlie? Because
there's a lot of negativity surrounding effort, just push through
and persevere, you know, when this negativity comes, like, how
do you you know, I've got kids, We're just a
regular family, homeschool, you know, how do you kind of

(54:11):
push through that?

Speaker 14 (54:13):
Yeah, I mean, I'm happy to happy to take this one,
you know, because I will tell you that Charlie was
no stranger to negative headlines and to being taken out
of context to smear pieces, hit pieces.

Speaker 6 (54:27):
All the things.

Speaker 14 (54:28):
And it got to the point where we literally would
just we would put him in the chat. I would
drop the new article in the chat that was, you know,
completely taking something he said out of context, and he
would he would literally go lol. And you know, obviously
Charlie had a big microphone, he had this show, he
had his social media. So I don't want to I
don't want to say that it's one to one, but

(54:49):
you said it yourself. What he would do is he
would just push through and he would advance the the
points he was making. He would advance positive lines. He
would advance the actual mission that he was on, not
the representation that somebody would give him or paint a
picture of him that.

Speaker 6 (55:05):
Was a lie.

Speaker 14 (55:06):
But you call a lie a lie, you confront your accusers,
you call it a lot, and you push forward and
you continue building and building and building. And I mean,
Charlie's whole pov on this was that we were going
to outwork you, we were gonna out hustle you, we
were going to out message you.

Speaker 6 (55:21):
And so that's the point.

Speaker 14 (55:22):
We built positive lines where we could, we built coalitions
where we could, and allies where we could, and we
pushed through it.

Speaker 18 (55:29):
Mikey, Yeah, great question, Jen, Nice to meet you. I
thought I saw this video this morning and I thought
it was so awesome. It was Charlie and Erica. Charlie
sitting here, Eric was sitting right there.

Speaker 6 (55:39):
I think we have it.

Speaker 18 (55:40):
Yeah, it's a long clip, so maybe we don't want
to play it, but he Basically the question was to Erica,
do you get the same hate messages and headlines and
attacks that Charlie does?

Speaker 6 (55:51):
And she said yeah.

Speaker 18 (55:52):
And I thought that was really interesting question because you
don't always think maybe Erica's not receiving this, but she was.
She said, honestly, I've lost fans members, I've had people
attack me, I've lost friends. But it's my pruning season.
She goes, and I'm figuring out in this season who's
my friend and who's not?

Speaker 6 (56:07):
She said.

Speaker 18 (56:07):
And then on top of that, she goes, I have
a velvet spine of steel.

Speaker 6 (56:12):
She goes, why you can't let anything get to you?

Speaker 18 (56:14):
She's like, I you're soft on the outside, but nobody
can get to you on the inside.

Speaker 15 (56:19):
I think a really important thing to always emphasize. I
think here is the faith angle. If you're if you
really are meditating on that part of it, if you're
praying a lot, if you're always thinking how how can
I serve God? With my actions, what would God want
me to do? I think that helps a lot in
the situation. That gives you a lot of strength when

(56:39):
you're under attack. Yeah, though I walk through the valley
of the Shadow of Death, I shall fear.

Speaker 18 (56:44):
And you have on your sides, Yeah, you have truth
on your side. And so if truth is for you,
nobody can be against you. But then at the same time,
if you're always living for God, you have nothing to fear.

Speaker 6 (56:55):
Yeah, you know it's a.

Speaker 14 (56:56):
Check, I will say, And we should play this clip.
We're gonna play it for you, Jen, because I do
think it's inspiring. But you know, we've lived in this
weird post Charlie world, and you know there's conspiracies, there's
you know, allegations. I mean, there's a whole bunch of
crazy stuff. But I will tell you so because I've
got a few friends that'll be like, how are you
doing with all this? And I'm like, I literally don't

(57:17):
feel it. I do not feel it. I don't sense it.
It doesn't affect my life because I live with the
understanding that what God has unleashed, man cannot stop. The
haters cannot stop. They can harass you, they can torment you.
They can kind of make your day miserable. I'm sure.
But God is doing a work. God is doing a pruning.
I think in our movement, God is doing a pruning

(57:37):
in the country. And Erica says it really, really well.

Speaker 6 (57:40):
Four eight.

Speaker 20 (57:43):
You ever get hate from Charlie's work?

Speaker 1 (57:45):
How do you handle it?

Speaker 6 (57:46):
Charlie? Do you ever.

Speaker 20 (57:48):
Feel guilt or do you ever deal with guilt when
Erica gets hate?

Speaker 6 (57:51):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 26 (57:54):
I honestly this is so I I this is how
I know God made us for each other because anytime
I do get quote unquote hate, it's the same stuff
you get like that.

Speaker 22 (58:05):
I don't even want to say. It's not even worth
saying it or repeating the things that were called or
the names that were called. But yes I do. I've
lost family members, I've lost friends, But I actually am
kind of grateful that that's happened because God has pruned
my life in a way where I am surrounded in
a circle now by people who love us, support us,
pray with us.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Encourage us, small mighty circle.

Speaker 22 (58:28):
And that's what I would much rather have a small,
mighty circle.

Speaker 6 (58:30):
Than a massive one.

Speaker 22 (58:31):
It's the people that you know that you can trust
important to and yes, do I get hate.

Speaker 6 (58:37):
Bring it on.

Speaker 22 (58:38):
I'll have a I'll have a velvet steel spine by
the end of end of my life, So bring it on.

Speaker 6 (58:46):
I have nothing to fear based such a good clip.

Speaker 18 (58:52):
That fired me up this morning, and I hope it
fires you too, Jen, I mean I was ready.

Speaker 6 (58:58):
I was ready for the day.

Speaker 24 (58:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (59:00):
Uh. Next question, I.

Speaker 8 (59:07):
Mean that's such a good line, So thank you for that.
I have not seen that one, and I am I'll
be putting that up in my bedroom.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
I love it.

Speaker 6 (59:17):
Yeah, good for you, Thanks, thanks for being a member.

Speaker 14 (59:20):
We're gonna go to Rain next Rain, Welcome to the
Charlie Kirk Show.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Hello, Hi, Rain, Hey, how are you guys?

Speaker 6 (59:29):
We're hanging in. How are you? What can we do
for you? What's your question?

Speaker 25 (59:34):
So my question is we'll have two.

Speaker 27 (59:36):
First question is what do you think is gonna become
of this Mondamie meeting at the White House today with Trump?
That Trump is even allowing him in his orbit.

Speaker 15 (59:50):
We'll keep in mind Trump is a real estate guy.
He frankly, he loves having meetings.

Speaker 6 (59:55):
He will meet.

Speaker 15 (59:57):
It's so funny that so many people are so appolt
like Will never meet with him.

Speaker 6 (01:00:00):
Trump is clearly a person who will meet with anyone.
I met with him. He met with you know, Mitt Romney,
all these.

Speaker 27 (01:00:09):
But this guy is like the head of a movement
that is trying to overthrow everything about what our country
is about.

Speaker 6 (01:00:17):
For sure, for sure.

Speaker 15 (01:00:18):
But as they said, he met with Kim Jong un,
who wants to meet with Putin.

Speaker 6 (01:00:22):
He wants to meet with Putin again.

Speaker 15 (01:00:24):
He met with Democrats all the time during his first term,
even though they were trying top him. If you know,
I've heard people on our own side they've complained that
Trump almost takes too many of these meetings. But that's
just what you're getting with the type of person Trump is.
He is he think of what he is. He's a businessman,
real estate developer. He comes from a world where you

(01:00:45):
resolve disputes, where you resolve impasses through direct face to
face contact, through direct conversation.

Speaker 27 (01:00:55):
But do you think it's some of that contact, like
on a spiritual level, it's some of that contact can
affect can't affect a person? I think it can and
I think that limiting your your involvement with like you know,
spiritual demid.

Speaker 6 (01:01:15):
Well, that's true.

Speaker 14 (01:01:16):
You got to be careful what you let in into
the house. I actually really agree with you, Rain, but
I would say Trump will meet with anybody. I'm not
worried about. Trump is so hardened in his his ways,
Like I don't think he's it's hard to teach an
old dog new tricks, if you will, I'm.

Speaker 6 (01:01:31):
Not worried about. No one's taking a new habits.

Speaker 14 (01:01:33):
No, nobody's nobody's rubbing off on Trump here. What he's
doing is he's going to size up his his opponent.
I think it's gonna go both ways. I think there's
gonna be some warning shots fired. Beshake, don't don't mess
with me in this way, and you stay out of
my way in this way. We're gonna be okay, and
we are coming with ice. That's what's going to happen.

Speaker 6 (01:01:51):
That's, in my opinion, that's what you have to be.

Speaker 27 (01:01:54):
You have to be that way to be like diplomatic.
And yeah, I get it.

Speaker 14 (01:01:59):
Rain, Hang right there, Well, hang right there, Rain, we'll
go in the break. I gotta tell everybody about TikTok connection,
open dialogue. These are the things that build communities. Charlie
and TikTok share in that knowledge. That's why TikTok has
built a space where that kind of listening actually happens.
You'll see a teacher simplifying a tough lesson so it
finally clicks, or gardener sharing a trick.

Speaker 6 (01:02:18):
That saved their crop.

Speaker 14 (01:02:20):
But what matters most isn't the video, it's what comes next,
the conversation. It's a posting of a question and then
somebody answers that when people listen and understand, shifts can
actually happen. That's what listening does. It reminds us that
we're not all as different as we may think that
we are. And that's what makes TikTok. TikTok a powerful
platform to have conversations.

Speaker 6 (01:02:39):
Charlie believed in it.

Speaker 14 (01:02:40):
Charlie had billions and billions and billions of views. One
could argue that TikTok saved the country in November.

Speaker 6 (01:02:47):
So check it out. A conversation.

Speaker 14 (01:02:49):
That's where conversations and communities are built, or TikTok.

Speaker 6 (01:02:51):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Demarcisi lives in light that Charlie Kirk show all right.

Speaker 14 (01:03:07):
Private student loan debt in the United States totals about
three hundred billion dollars about forty five billion of that
is labeled as distressed. Why Refi What they do is
they refinance distressed or defaulted private student loans that others
simply will not touch. They provide you with a custom
loan payment based on your ability to pay, and that
is the key. So they don't just give you a

(01:03:28):
one size fits all. They're going to work with you
and talk with you to find out what you can
actually accomplish financially, and they will custom tailor a solution
for you. Why Refi does not care what your credit
score is. So when that payment on your distress or
default a private student loan is so big that you
can never get ahead, that's when you need to talk
to the good folks at why Refile so you can
get rid of that co borrower. You can even skip

(01:03:50):
a payment every six months up to twelve times without penalties.
You do not have to ignore that mountain of student
loan debt that's piling up on the kitchen table anymore.
Just call eight eight eight I REFI thirty four eight
eight eight hy Refight thirty four or visit them online
at y R E f y dot com. That's why
refi dot com may not be available in all fifty states,

(01:04:11):
but if it is available in your state, you need.

Speaker 6 (01:04:14):
To check it out.

Speaker 14 (01:04:14):
All right, We're gonna welcome back radio in about ten seconds.
We'll be right back, all right. So we had a

(01:04:40):
great question from Rain and about it's kind of largely
about the conspiracy theories, and you know, and I think
Blake you said it, well, it's like we have to
give space for people to grieve.

Speaker 6 (01:04:51):
There is a trial coming up.

Speaker 14 (01:04:53):
We understand that sometimes when we don't speak on every topic,
it creates a bit of a vacuum, and there is
just you know, there's a reason for some of the
silence on certain things and the choosing not to engage
in certain things. But we but I loved Rain's heart
and you could tell that she is grieved just by
Charlie not being with us and the anchor that Charlie

(01:05:15):
was in her life, but also the fact that you know, uh,
she wants to carry his mission forward and she wants
everybody to be unified and on the same page. So, Mikey,
I don't know if you want to add anything to that.

Speaker 6 (01:05:25):
Yeah, I mean, Andrew you said it.

Speaker 18 (01:05:28):
If there's silence on something, oftentimes people say that's silent
because it's true.

Speaker 6 (01:05:33):
That's not why.

Speaker 18 (01:05:35):
Like there's so many accusations out there against so many people.
Even one of them are like a sermon that my
dad gave where he said that I had had blood
on me. And for the record, like he gave that sermon.
I called my dad moments after everything happened and I
was screaming, I was I listened to that. Caryke was
next to me. I was screaming on the phone. I said,

(01:05:55):
Charlie was shot in the neck and he had blood
all over him.

Speaker 15 (01:05:59):
He said, I was screaming, there's a lot of blood.
And I saw every pastor and pray, pray for a miracle.
And he thought, for some reason that I said I
had blood on me. So he gives a sermon seventy
two hours later where he addresses that conspiracy.

Speaker 6 (01:06:13):
And he says that that I had blood on me. Okay,
I didn't see that sermon.

Speaker 18 (01:06:18):
And then about a month later that was like trending
all over social media, and I called my dad and
I was like, did you actually say this? And he
was like, yeah, I just found out it's not true.
So like behind every single one of these are a
human being. For an entire month. My dad had to
live with nightmares every night that his son actually did
have blood all over him.

Speaker 6 (01:06:39):
Didn't you say he got emotional when he found He.

Speaker 18 (01:06:41):
Got emotional when I was on the phone with him,
being like, that's not why Why did you.

Speaker 6 (01:06:45):
Say that he was so glad to hear it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Yeah, like that.

Speaker 18 (01:06:49):
Not everything is some grand scheme. And just because someone's
not answering all of your questions when you want them
to answer your questions, it's not mean I'm to close
the loop on.

Speaker 6 (01:06:59):
This, I think, I think. But there's a lot of people.
A lot of people are deeply affected by this. Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:07:05):
And for some people, the temptation of something very emotionally
upsetting is they want to, like, frankly, sometimes there's a
temptation to lash out, and.

Speaker 6 (01:07:17):
I would remember that.

Speaker 15 (01:07:19):
I would encourage you to remember, all of us love Charlie,
all of us care deeply about Charlie. It is fundamentally,
I'll just say, it is fundamentally outrageous and insane to
say that any of us would have wanted Charlie dead
or wanted anything bad to happen to him. And when

(01:07:40):
we get emails where people just say you killed Charlie
or like you're lying about everything. I would strongly encourage
those people to reflect on what is motivating them to
do these things.

Speaker 14 (01:07:52):
Yeah, I want to also say there is a point
where you you know, it's it's deeply frustrating that somebody
like Mike would have to even dignify some of like
you know this story that you just you'd have to
even dignify that with a response. I mean, it's so insane.
But by the way, I love that Rain is wearing
a She was talking about her bracelet from the memorial,

(01:08:13):
and it was funny because just this morning I saw
a bunch of like we are Charlie Kirk bracelets.

Speaker 6 (01:08:17):
On Mikey's deskils Like I want one of these.

Speaker 14 (01:08:19):
I never wear these kind of bracelets, not really my thing,
but I'll wear it for Charlie.

Speaker 6 (01:08:23):
So I thought that was that was great.

Speaker 14 (01:08:25):
Jonathan, You're next, Jonathan, Welcome to the Charlie Kirkshall. Unmute
yourself please, we could read there.

Speaker 6 (01:08:36):
We go, There we go. Hey, Jonathan.

Speaker 16 (01:08:38):
So my question is what are the big races in
twenty twenty six?

Speaker 6 (01:08:44):
How can we get involved in those races? All Right?

Speaker 15 (01:08:49):
I can take the first part of the biggest races.
Obviously the one Charlie would have cared the most about,
and the one that's very near to our heart.

Speaker 6 (01:08:54):
Arizona governor is up this next year.

Speaker 15 (01:08:57):
We want to get Andy Biggs into I all want
to say the governor's mansion. Arizona doesn't have a governor's mansion.
They're too cool for that. We want him to get
into the governor's office. There's a lot of good we
can do in this state, but we need the governorship back.
We need to undo the grievous injustice of four years
three years ago. I guess, but that is one of

(01:09:18):
the most important. A lot of other governorships are up,
and a lot of them are term limited guys, so
we have to You know, Ronda Santis's term linted out
in Florida. We need to make sure a Republican wins
that one. That might sound super easy, but remember eight
years ago, in or six seven years ago, we only
won that by what thirty forty thousand votes.

Speaker 6 (01:09:37):
It was very close.

Speaker 15 (01:09:38):
Florida is never a lock. It's a big state. Ohio
is going to be an open seat. Texas we have
Abbot running for another term they're going to put a
lot into trying to flip that one. And then in
the Senate we have Frankly, it's going to be a
it's a defensive map. We have twenty two Republicans up
and only thirteen Democrats. We need to defend the Florida

(01:10:00):
Senate seat, We need to defend the Texas Senate seat.
We have an open seat in North Carolina that we
need to defend. Our best chance for a pickup is
probably going to.

Speaker 6 (01:10:09):
Be Georgia or Michigan.

Speaker 15 (01:10:10):
Uh nah, We're gonna need a pretty strong showing for
Michigan to doorway.

Speaker 6 (01:10:14):
But we'll talk about getting involved in the break here.
We'll be right back.

Speaker 17 (01:10:23):
It's the one time of year the Birch Gold Group
gives away free gold with every qualifying purchase for Black Friday.
When you convert an existing iray or four to one
K into a tax sheltered ira and gold, the Birch
Gold Group will sing you free gold to your home
for every twenty thousand dollars you spend. Gold started this
year off around twenty six hundred dollars in ounce. By

(01:10:46):
October it was over four thousand dollars an ounce. Global uncertainty.
The twenty twenty five has of course been defined by
trade wars, and central banks have been pulling away from
the US dollar as a global reserve currency. Plus, military
tension around the world continues to build. Times like uncertainty
like this, well that's when gold thrives. If you're looking

(01:11:08):
to diversify your savings, the Birch Gold Group can help you.
Plus now through November thirtieth, get free gold with a
qualifying purchase. All you have to do to start the
process is text the word America to the number ninety
eight ninety eight ninety eight in order to qualify for
eligibility and for a free information kit on gold. Your
opportunity for free gold with purchases, however, ends on November thirtieth,

(01:11:32):
so don't wait. Text the word America to the number
ninety eight ninety eight ninety eight today for full detail.
In other headlines, this morning, President Trump will host New
York's Mayor elect Zoron Mamdami in the Oval Office. The
President's schedule says the event is closed to the press,

(01:11:54):
but we, of course are hopeful that it opens up
so that you can see and hear what the duo talks.
About today's meeting will bring together two men who are
virtually on opposite ends of the political spectrum, as Mamdani
is widely considered a communist despite calling himself a democratic socialist.
Federal investigators are out with brand new photos of a

(01:12:15):
doomed ups plane that crashed two weeks ago. The pick
show one of the plane's engines starting to detach from
the plane before the wing catches fire. Investigators say there's
evidence of cracks in the left wing's engine mount before takeoff.
The plane wasn't due for a detailed inspection for nearly
seven thousand takeoffs and landings. And a rapper with a

(01:12:36):
popular rap group, the Fujis, is headed to prison for
fourteen years after being convicted of illegally funneling millions of
dollars in foreign contributions to President Obama's twenty twelve re
election campaign. I'm talking about fifty two year old Prasacri
Praz Michelle of the Fujis.

Speaker 13 (01:13:06):
Forging an all new, greatest American generation.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
It's the Charlie kirk Show.

Speaker 6 (01:13:12):
All right, Welcome back to the Charlie Kirkshow.

Speaker 14 (01:13:14):
This is the final hour of Friday Show, which means
this can ask us anything. If you are part of
our members at members dot Charliekirk dot com, you can
join it live. We are taking your questions live. Next
up is Elizabeth. Elizabeth, Welcome to the Charlie Kirkshow what
is your question?

Speaker 7 (01:13:34):
Yes?

Speaker 28 (01:13:34):
Hi, first one, guys, I'm still praying for all of you.
You're doing an amazing job. Thank you continuing Charlie's legacy,
and you should just be so proud and everyone thinks that.
Can I just say agrest on my question for one second.
When people are listening to maybe other individuals who claim
to be in the conservative space, they should remember that

(01:13:57):
Charlie was a godly man who surrounded himself with godly
men who thought of him as a son, that his
friends thought of him as a brother, that he was
a leader in a roller bottle in his community, and
he built an organization where like senators and congressmen were
like dying to get on the show because they were

(01:14:18):
proud to be associated with him. So if you are
listening to someone who was not like that, you should
turn off their podcast and turn back on Charlie Kirk Show.

Speaker 6 (01:14:28):
You're here, well said, Okay, what's your other question.

Speaker 14 (01:14:32):
Yeah, well said, thank you for that, and thank you
for the kind words.

Speaker 28 (01:14:37):
Thank you well, thank You're very welcome and very well earned.
The reason that I was calling, and this isn't about
financial support to Israel, because that can be debated one
way or the other, and that's fine. But what has
been bothering me lately are the absolute disgusting lies being
told about Israel. And I just wanted to sort of
give a small example. Population growth in the West Bank

(01:14:58):
in nineteen sixty seven with seven hundred thousand people, in
twenty twenty five it was three thousand, four hundred. That's
a population growth of two point seven million. That's four
point nine more palaestitti into the worst is nineteen sixty
seven in the Gaza strip there was three hundred and
fifty thousand. Now it's over two point one million, and
that's a five point two times of increase. My point

(01:15:20):
is they're lying about Israel committing a genocide.

Speaker 15 (01:15:26):
I mean, there's definitely a funny line I saw. Do
you know the humorist Dave Barry. He's been in newspapers
a long time. He's pretty old now, but the humorous
Dave Berry. Someone showed me an article he wrote in
nineteen ninety and it was about the UN, and he says,
the UN General Assembly exists to allow every it allows
every random third world nation into it, and it exists

(01:15:47):
primarily to pass resolutions condemning Israel for everything, including sun spots.
And it really is there's an e like it's like,
it's exactly like you say, there's perfectly valid grounds to
criticize the exact nature of our relationship with Israel. Should
we fund them, should we give them this or that weapon?
Do we need to have unconditional support for any specific

(01:16:09):
political action, Should the US ambassador be meeting with a
convicted traitor? But exactly exactly so you can discuss all
of those things. But it's also the case that a
lot of people just they have an obsession with it
that clearly transcends anything that is reasonable, and they have

(01:16:31):
this intense dislike virgin on hayten, some of that will
just become telling lies about it. And what I like
to emphasize is there's something about it that it goes
beyond its actual importance to America as an issue. For
a lot of people, how you feel about Israel has
become this symbol of how you.

Speaker 6 (01:16:52):
Feel about the wider world.

Speaker 15 (01:16:54):
And it's perhaps specifically because it is actually a place.

Speaker 6 (01:16:58):
So far away from America.

Speaker 15 (01:17:00):
It allows people to get really amped up in their
emotional and moral energy about it while at the same
time not having direct skin in the game on what
the outcome is. And I think that really allows people
to just say whatever. Like, if you tell a lie
about your neighbor, that neighbor might punch you in the face.
But if you tell a lie about a country on
the other side of the world, probably nothing is going

(01:17:21):
to happen to you.

Speaker 6 (01:17:22):
Correct. I think?

Speaker 28 (01:17:24):
Also, did you guys know that their Supreme Court justice
they have an Arab Muslim on their Supreme Court.

Speaker 15 (01:17:31):
They have did they pass that bill? I remember we
talked about that a couple of years ago. Israel's supreme
entire court system is pretty wild. It's they're one of
those countries where the judges can appoint their own successes.
Can you imagine how terrible America would be if judges
in this country just could appoint Like you'd have super
liberal Supreme Court of the seventies, the court that did
Roe v. Wade, and they would just be appointing their

(01:17:53):
own successors.

Speaker 6 (01:17:55):
You can't have Reagan.

Speaker 15 (01:17:56):
Or Trump or you know, appointing more conservative justices to
change it.

Speaker 6 (01:18:01):
Just appointing liberals forever.

Speaker 15 (01:18:03):
That is actually how they ran things, or they definitely
did run things in Israel. I'm not sure if that
bill passed. I haven't closely followed it. But there's just
a lot of wild things. An important thing to remember,
it is a real country. It is not just a
thing that exists on TikTok. It is not just a
thing that exists on social media. It is a real
country with its own internal divisions, its own issues.

Speaker 6 (01:18:24):
It's not this monolith.

Speaker 15 (01:18:26):
That's what drives a lot of weird conspiracy theories about
it that like all Jews are all Israelis have the
same opinion and operate in concert. All I can say is,
if you think all Jews have the same opinions, you've
clearly never met any of them, because go to one
Shabbat dinner they argue with each other all the time.

Speaker 14 (01:18:46):
Well, and I always think you know that the allegation
the Jewish people run the world or something like that.

Speaker 6 (01:18:51):
It's like if you've ever seen the UN and how.

Speaker 14 (01:18:54):
Much how many sanctions and you know, have been leveled. Again,
it's Israel, and it's basically you know, so if they
can control the world, they would control the UN.

Speaker 6 (01:19:04):
But they don't.

Speaker 14 (01:19:06):
But to your point, you know, I mean, I was
looking at the numbers with your question about the palasating
birth rates, and you know, they do.

Speaker 6 (01:19:13):
Have a very high birth rate.

Speaker 14 (01:19:14):
Their population has actually increased, albeit at a slower rate
than it otherwise would have during the war, and that
again is probably because of people emigrating out. Cross is
over one hundred thousand people that got out through the
Rafa crossing. They suggest that about fifty thousand have died
in the conflict.

Speaker 6 (01:19:35):
So I meant when they.

Speaker 28 (01:19:36):
Say about killing children, they use child soldiers, and that
has been documented by the United.

Speaker 6 (01:19:41):
States well, and they use, they use, They do a
lot of bad they use. They're a terrorist, seized a
control of a territory. They're bad dudes. Here's the thing.
I hope that we can pray for peace.

Speaker 14 (01:19:53):
I hope that we talk about this issue much much
less because the peace holds and it becomes a long
term peace. And I think I speak for a lot
of us when we say it would be wonderful not
to have to talk about this area. Of the world
nearly as much moving forward. Thank you so much for
your question, Laura. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

Speaker 25 (01:20:15):
Hi, Volks, can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
Okay, yes, yes, wonderful, Well, thank you.

Speaker 29 (01:20:21):
I want to be brief so I can be considered
of others times, but I do want to say I
am so sorry for your loss of Charlie. I think
that you guys have been doing the absolute best you
can to move forward and carry his mission.

Speaker 6 (01:20:37):
And that's so clear to me and so.

Speaker 29 (01:20:39):
Many of us. And we feel very I can speak
for myself here, but feel very comforted when we come
to join the show every day because it feels like
we're interacting with parts and pieces of Charlie.

Speaker 6 (01:20:50):
Thank you, som through all of you. It's very sweet, Lord,
thank you, thank you.

Speaker 24 (01:20:55):
So Something that I actually I was building up the
courage to maybe join a live before Charlie was killed,
was to talk about the the.

Speaker 29 (01:21:08):
Hiring processes right now. So obviously Charlie was a big
advocate for you know, college as a scam, and I myself,
I have a very successful degree and not I'm sorry
career and not having a degree, and many people that
I know have you know, worked their way up in
life and just become you know, self learners and have

(01:21:30):
done the same. But when you know, something happens and
they need to go and look for a job, they're
hit with automatic rejections because these I guess it's the
hiring systems have this a subtle check mark of you know,
four year degree or master's degree, and if you're not
hitting that, then you're automatically getting thrown out. So these
well and overqualified candidates are getting completely they're not even

(01:21:54):
passing a person's desk, it's just automatically getting filtered out.
They're putting in over two hundred applications and getting absolutely
nowhere and not able to talk to a real person
about it. So just you know, in feeling empowered and
not needing a degree to be successful, how do you
guys recommend you know, people that don't but are having

(01:22:15):
a hard time getting a job. How do we navigate
the employment search?

Speaker 15 (01:22:20):
First of all, I just want to empathize greatly with
how horrible it is. I think applying for a job
was annoying and frustrating five years ago.

Speaker 6 (01:22:30):
It's gotten an order of magnitude worse.

Speaker 15 (01:22:32):
With frankly artificial intelligence, because now there are people who
can spam essentially unlimited applications. They can use AI to
write their cover letters, write their custom instantly customize your
resume towards this page, and they can endlessly spam, and
then you have similar AI robots evaluating the applications. It's

(01:22:52):
made the entire process just that much more horrible, and
I think it's going to lead to probably a resurgence
of what would be very old fashioned, which is the
need to really leverage personal relationship, build personal relationships, and
leverage those.

Speaker 6 (01:23:10):
To find employment.

Speaker 15 (01:23:12):
I guess I can don't speaking to myself, I can't
give a lot of specific job advice on how to
get a job in a specific field. What I can
say is that professionally, it's the friendships I've had, the
close conversations I've had with those I know that have
panned out the most in giving me opportunities.

Speaker 18 (01:23:29):
I remember you bragging one time that you've never had
a job that you've applied for.

Speaker 15 (01:23:34):
Yeah, and that's that's I don't really want to say
that with someone when people are struggling, because I know
that's a very tough thing to say. Kind of work,
What I could say so as an example, it's sort
of weird to say, but getting involved, like in the elections,
for example, and not just getting involved talking to all
of the people that you volunteer alongside.

Speaker 6 (01:23:52):
About what they do, what their work is.

Speaker 15 (01:23:55):
None of that is going to specifically get you a job,
but knowing lots of people it will increase your ability
to be lucky. You think of those people who have
that story, Oh, I was just having that conversation and
it turned out it totally changed my life.

Speaker 6 (01:24:09):
Or you've heard that story where you.

Speaker 15 (01:24:10):
Talk to someone in the line at the grocery store
and forty years later we're married and we have eight kids.
Everyone's heard those stories. You increase your ability to be
lucky by being out there, by knowing more people, and
also by acquiring skills.

Speaker 6 (01:24:24):
You think, what is something.

Speaker 15 (01:24:26):
You could be better at that has a possible professional use,
and that might be a handyman type skill, those are
always in demand.

Speaker 6 (01:24:34):
It might be computer programming, except.

Speaker 15 (01:24:36):
Now that's getting displaced by AI.

Speaker 6 (01:24:38):
It is genuinely be a plumber.

Speaker 18 (01:24:41):
That's I don't think AI will displace that anybody, but you.

Speaker 15 (01:24:43):
I don't want to be too smug about that, because
there we we should that we should we should have
shamed them. But we've gotten emails from people who say,
I went to trade school and I've struggled there. A
lot of trade stuff is actually quite insular. There will
be family shops and there's so what hostile.

Speaker 6 (01:25:00):
To union barriers to.

Speaker 15 (01:25:02):
You don't want to just say, oh, it's easy, go
to trade school, you'll automatically get a job. We never
want to dismissively say it's super easy. Do you guys
have any other thoughts?

Speaker 14 (01:25:11):
I mean, I agree with the part about relationships. Relationships
are the absolute key, and I would also say that
for young people. What I often tell young people is
find somebody that you really really look up to, respect
in the field that you're interested in pursuing, and call
them to ask them to take you out for coffee.

Speaker 6 (01:25:32):
Say I'll work for you for free.

Speaker 14 (01:25:33):
Can I get an internship anything, I'll just get coffee.
I'll do be the donut and coffee runner guy. Just
offer to get your foot in the door and then
work your tail off. That is I think the most
wonderful thing for young people that they can do. Find
somebody you respect, that you look up to, who's the
best in their field and just do everything you can
to get in their way, and good things tend to happen.

(01:25:55):
My nephew I gave that advice to my nephew and
it worked out very very well for him. Listen, I
want to tell you guys quickly about our friends over
at Patriot Mobile. Patriot Mobile is a company that is
founded and run by true Patriots. Glenn and the team
are amazing, like truly amazing. They stand up for all
the things that we stand up for, all the values,
right to life, Second Amendment, First Amendment. They support our

(01:26:17):
first responders and our veterans. Truly truly amazing people. And
they have Patriotmobile dot Com where you can switch over
right now.

Speaker 6 (01:26:27):
Make it.

Speaker 14 (01:26:27):
They make it very easy. Get to keep your phone,
keep your number, or upgrade. You can get all the
three major wireless providers or have two on your phone
like I do. You got to check them out. They
are defending the values that we care about, so every
dollar you spend with them goes to a good place.
So call them nine seven two Patriot nine seven two
Patriot or go to Patriot Mobile dot com slash Charlie.

Speaker 6 (01:26:47):
Use Charlie as a promo code for a one month
free service. We will be right back.

Speaker 13 (01:27:00):
Stop watching the news and start making some the Charlie
Kirk Show.

Speaker 14 (01:27:05):
Yeah, so, welcome back to The Charlie Kirk Show. To
our real America's voice. We're talking to Sarah. We're talking
about TP Canada, turning Point Canada and this idea of
is taking the brand Internet.

Speaker 15 (01:27:15):
What's so important is we were really realizing this in
the last few months. You know, when Charlie went to
the UK, Charlie went to Korea, went to Japan, that
he had become actually this global heureu of so many people.

Speaker 6 (01:27:25):
So many it's easy to forget so many people.

Speaker 15 (01:27:27):
Around the world look up to America because we have
this assertive conservative movement that is not that we have
real freedom of speech, we can really confront big issues.

Speaker 6 (01:27:37):
It inspires a lot of people.

Speaker 15 (01:27:38):
And so while we are America first, he certainly did
not think American values were exclusive to America or Christian values, so.

Speaker 6 (01:27:45):
That they were God given. Yeah, we believe that they're
innate and so we would want to promote those things.

Speaker 15 (01:27:51):
So, as we've talked about on this show, we had
Sarah Rodgers from the State Department on the other day.

Speaker 6 (01:27:54):
We're still in discussions on what this might look like, but.

Speaker 15 (01:27:57):
There's a lot of hope we could use the turning
point B and Charlie's personal memory to promote those values,
especially free speech, uh, you know, the Christian West and
so on around the world. We're not sure what that
might look like, but it might include some.

Speaker 6 (01:28:12):
Sort of global turning Canada.

Speaker 14 (01:28:14):
Canada would be an obvious place to plant that they
need it. So we're going to welcome back radio. In
five seconds, we'll be right back, all right, Welcome back

(01:28:35):
to The Charlie Kirkshow, final segment of the final hour
of the week. We have a question from Kimberly. Kimberly,
please mute yourself. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (01:28:47):
Kimberly, A, Hello, do this.

Speaker 25 (01:28:54):
This is my first time, so I didn't know what's
going on.

Speaker 19 (01:29:01):
Okay, I'm sorry to say that I never had heard
of Charlie kirk before he died.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
And that day.

Speaker 25 (01:29:12):
That's when I heard of him, of course, because it
was all over the news that he died, you know,
and I just I just wish I would have heard
of him a long time ago, because he's like.

Speaker 19 (01:29:26):
He's he's saying everything that I've done I okay.

Speaker 25 (01:29:30):
I got married when I was seventeen. I have eleven children.

Speaker 19 (01:29:35):
My oldest son is his age, Charlie Kirk's age, but
my oldest son died three years ago, and.

Speaker 25 (01:29:43):
Eight of my children were born at home. All of
my children are homeschooled.

Speaker 19 (01:29:48):
I had a grandchildren that are that were born at home,
and I was I got saved when I was very young.

Speaker 25 (01:29:53):
I was four years old. Anyway. I just.

Speaker 19 (01:29:59):
I listened to really quick all the time now of
course every day, like I listened to his shows and
to you guys, and it's just amazing what he did.

Speaker 25 (01:30:09):
And the short time that he was here.

Speaker 6 (01:30:11):
You know, yeah, it is, and it is I think, Kimberly,
just something first of all eleven kids, is amazing that
a legendary.

Speaker 14 (01:30:21):
Charlie would be applauding you right now and saying well done,
well done, well done. But also I just want to say,
you know, it's something I've actually talked about with you.
I don't think she would, Erica, I don't think she
would be offended that I bring it up here, but
I've talked about it with you as well. Looking back
on Charlie's life, and he would get so impatient, like
about little things, and it was actually really endearing about him.

Speaker 6 (01:30:44):
He you know, he just moved at.

Speaker 14 (01:30:47):
Such a rapid clip with everything everything, And I look
back on it and I kind of realized that it's
like he knew, he knew his time was going to
be short, and he maximized so much of his life.

Speaker 18 (01:30:59):
Every day he's he's so much out of it. It
was really amazing. And how much content he banked. I
remember we used to have we used to have conversations
and he'd be like, truthfully, I think we're banking too
much content. But now there's such a rich archive of
history for us to look back on. But there's also
something beautiful that this is an example of the macro,

(01:31:20):
which is Charlie was a good, faith based human being.
And you share your story about how you discovered him
after and you feel like maybe it was just a
little too late, and you wanted to discover him when
he was still alive and you just are learning more
about him and the deeper you go, you have such
a love for him. But that's how we feel as

(01:31:42):
Christians too, that there's just once you start that relationship
with Christ. And this is something I just feel like
Charlie would be saying right now, is you go deeper
and you get to know him more. And like that
Charlie was amazing because he lived for something greater than himself,
and that was guy for something great, and he died
for something greater than himself. And I just think that's

(01:32:03):
that you're you're giving such a beautiful analogy right now
of what we as Christians feel, that that Charlie died
for something bigger than himself and that we one day, hopefully,
hopefully we too can die for something greater than ourselves.

Speaker 24 (01:32:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:32:19):
And Kimberly, I don't know if you got to your
question yet or not, so I want to make sure
I give you a chance to ask what you wanted
to to ask.

Speaker 19 (01:32:27):
I didn't well, I didn't really have a question. I
mean I wanted to.

Speaker 6 (01:32:33):
That's totally fine, totally fine. That was that was a
beautiful testimony.

Speaker 24 (01:32:37):
You know.

Speaker 14 (01:32:37):
And and Kimberly, like something I said actually at the
memorial that I that I think is important is just
that you know, we don't grieve the way that the
world grieves, you know. I obviously losing Charlie was probably
there's probably the hardest thing that I've ever been through,
that this organization has ever gone through, obviously, but but

(01:32:58):
we don't grieve the way the world greaves. And I
feel like God has given me all of these beautiful,
little little just clues and moments of realization, you know,
whether it was we weren't doing we weren't doing a
campus tour, we were doing a tent revival. And Charlie
wasn't just a political figure or podcaster. He was a
prophet to a whole generation of Americans. He's a modern

(01:33:20):
day Founding Father, and he died a martyr and I
miss him. He's the first thing I think about when
I wake up, He's the last thing I think about
when I go to sleep. But I'm so grateful that
I got to spend so much time, so close to him.

Speaker 6 (01:33:36):
Genuinely, Kim, are you are you? Are you a Catholic?

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
No?

Speaker 28 (01:33:44):
I was.

Speaker 25 (01:33:45):
That's one thing I do want to say. I don't
Catholics are not Christians.

Speaker 6 (01:33:49):
And I don't. It's all right, it's all right.

Speaker 14 (01:33:57):
Hey, By the way, we're going to have a debate
at AMFEZ. That's a heck of a way. What is
an amifest now? Thank you, Thank you God, bless that
we'll see you all next week.

Speaker 6 (01:34:08):
I have a great weekend