The Charlie Kirk Show, September 29, 2025

Commentary on faith, Charlie Kirk's impact, revivals, and Christianity
 

Guests: Josh McPherson and Pastor Mark Driscoll

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
The Charlie Kirk Show starts now.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
I don't know if anyone is ever going to see
this video, but hi, my name is Haley, and Charlie
Kirk's death led me to give my life fully to
Jesus Christ. Charlie's death really ignited a spiritual flame inside
of me that I have never, never in my life

(00:44):
experienced before. It is, it's like a spiritual switch.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I didn't know Charlie Kirk, never met that guy before
in my life. And something else that I've never done
before in my life is believing God.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
I'm going to wear this suit to church.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
I'm going to go to church. I'm going to try
to be a better father, husband, and leader for my family.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
I've never ever opened the Bible before. In fact, I
know nothing about Christianity or Jesus. But yesterday, after witnessing
the assassination of Charlie Kirk, I something was calling me
to my husband's Bible.

Speaker 6 (01:36):
I'm going to be heading to church here shortly.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
I'm excited to go and learn and get to meet
new people.

Speaker 6 (01:44):
Something that I've been wanting to do for a while.

Speaker 7 (01:46):
So the first time ive ever in over fifteen years,
I'm going to church it has been so heavy on
my heart that I just needed something so after Charlie
Kirk's death, is seeing what this world truly is. Now's
the time, there's no more waiting.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
This was my first time going to church in almost
seven years, maybe even more than seven years.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
I went to church today because of Charlie.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Kirk and his family.

Speaker 8 (02:18):
I am heading to church today. Have my Bible today.
There was literally dust on the cover when I pulled
it out. I've seen so many videos this week of
Charlie talking about how time and time again like he
wants to be known for his faith above all else.
And I'm trying to be more of like Charlie Kirk.
And maybe if someone sees this video, they'll be encouraged

(02:39):
to walk back into a church today too.

Speaker 9 (02:41):
And we are ready for church now. I've not been
to church in years. Today will be my son's first day,
first time in the church. And today is the first
time that me and my fiance together collectively of going
to church. Today is the first day that my family family,
He's going to church. So this is all what goes

(03:03):
of Charlie and his gospel, his words, and today starts
our turning point.

Speaker 10 (03:11):
I just arrived at church for the first time in
a very long time.

Speaker 11 (03:14):
I needed some kind of refuge, some kind of you know,
hope that not all is lost.

Speaker 12 (03:21):
Well, it's Sunday morning, and I'm going to church for
the first time in about twelve years. I'm about to
do something that I have not done in twenty five years,
and I have never done with my own coalition.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
I'm going to church.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
Good morning.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
I thought i'd come on quick and give an update
of what I'm doing today because I'm actually.

Speaker 10 (03:37):
Really excited and really looking forward to it.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
I'm actually headed to church for Sunday service for the
first time in.

Speaker 13 (03:50):
A long time.

Speaker 8 (03:52):
I just went to church for the first time in
several years.

Speaker 10 (03:57):
At tickets to see Charlie. October twenty ninth, old Miss.
I was really looking forward to it. I've been a
lifelong atheist. I never believed in God, but I saw
the joy that it brought to Charlie, and it brought
me to God and really moved me to see him.
And I was looking forward to meeting him and telling
him you helped me find God.

Speaker 9 (04:18):
After ten years not reading any scripture, not stopping foot
in church, not even making a prior.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Charlie Kirk is the main reason for me climbing my
faith again.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
You don't think it's crazy to get in church.

Speaker 9 (04:33):
Here's the line for the second service, and there's never
a line.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Oh, by the way, there's never a line.

Speaker 14 (04:38):
Okay, there's never been a line here, Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Look what you did. No parking, No parking at all none.
How to park like five blocks away from church because
everyone wants to come.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Now, Amen, think of Jesus, think of Charlie.

Speaker 15 (05:02):
Every day there is a battle for your mind, raging
information coming from every angle, but the will to deceive,
fear not. You found the place for truth, the voice
of a generation that still has the will to believe
in the greatest country in the history of the world.
This is the Charlie Kirk Show.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Fuck a lot, here we.

Speaker 16 (05:24):
Go a lot, all right, Welcome to Charlie Kirks Show'm
Andrew Covet, executive producer of this fine show, and we
have had quite a weekend. I will tell you that
watching if you were watching on Real America's Voice around
the stream, you saw an intro that our team put
together talking about how many people are going back to

(05:45):
church because of what happened to Charlie. And you've heard
a lot of people talking about revival. You've been talking,
You've been hearing a lot of people bring up that
God is working in their hearts for the first time
in a long time, that they're opening their Bible. So
I wanted to have a show devoted to that question.
What is revival? What does it mean? What are the
necessary ingredients that make up a revival? And how do

(06:08):
we ensure that we do all that we can to
press into it and pour into it and so that
it grows and grows and grows.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
How do we not thwart the spirit?

Speaker 16 (06:17):
So joining me today are two men that know all
about that topic, and they've studied it and they know
much more than I do about it. So and by
the way, one of which book that we mentioned last
week because it was one of Charlie's favorites, and that's
Doctrine by Pastor Mark Driscoll.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
So welcome Pastor Mark, good.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
To see everybody. Thanks for having it.

Speaker 17 (06:37):
Thank you for your team. Just cannot even imagine the
difficulty of processing the grief of the loss of someone
that you love and also the increased workloads. So thank
you for leading the team and praying for you and
Erica and everybody.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Well, thank you, Pastor Mark. We feel the prayers.

Speaker 16 (06:55):
I think I told you before that this is the
first time in my life where I could say I
feel the prayer of strangers all around the country and world.
And I think that's, you know, a big part of
what you're seeing us pull off, and whether it be
the memorial or getting the show together and growing the
tour and so many things. I'm so proud of the team.
So I'm with you on that. And then Pastor Josh McPherson.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Did I get it?

Speaker 6 (07:19):
You got it?

Speaker 16 (07:20):
Sort of, She's gonna be nice about it. And you're
up in state of Washington. Yeah, when actually, and you
have strongerman Nation dot com, Strongermannation dot com, and you've
been in and around t posa faith and some of
the team with us. So honored to have you as
well to talk about this. I know you preached about
revival over the weekend.

Speaker 6 (07:40):
Yes, it's an honor to be here and just echo
what Mark said, marveling at the strength and grace of
your team in light of the events. And I'm very
grateful what you guys are doing and here to.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Serve well that's that's amazing.

Speaker 16 (07:52):
So, pastor Mark, start with you. You watched the intro
and I it was and if you shared radio, please
check out the stream later and check it out. It's
basically clip after clip after clip of people that don't
look like that, you know, probably the image a lot
of people have of what a Sunday Christian looks like.

(08:15):
And yet here they are being so dramatically impacted by
the legacy of Charlie and the life he lied, the
message he preached. Are we seeing this at the local
level with your guys's communities that you pastor, can you
see are you hearing about it from other pastors that
you know?

Speaker 17 (08:31):
Yeah, So start maybe at a higher level. So, a
martyr is someone who dies for their faith. And so
the Bible is written in a couple of ancient languages,
one of them is Greek, and the word means witness
or testimony. And you know that somebody really believes something
when they're willing to die for it. Yeah, that's the
ultimate allegiance that you can demonstrate. And so the first

(08:55):
saints in the history of the Christian Church were martyrs.
They were people who were basically willing to die for
their love and devotion to Jesus Christ as God and
Lord and savior. And so the first Christians, they died
out of their love for Jesus. Early reports say that
in the first few centuries of the church there were

(09:17):
between five and ten million martyrs.

Speaker 6 (09:20):
Wow.

Speaker 17 (09:20):
Wow, I mean, so we just had we just had
a funeral for a great man. Imagine five or ten
million of those. And then Tertullian, the church Father in
the third century, he said that the blood of the
martyrs is the sea to the church. And so the
reason that Christianity spread so wildly and rapidly is people
no longer fear death. That's right, and so you know

(09:42):
there is a mockery even of death. And one Corinthians fifteen,
worow death is your sting, worow death is your victory.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Said that my speech, Actually you did, and.

Speaker 17 (09:51):
You did a great job, and I want to honor
you for that. And so within that, once Jesus came
back from death, the believers no longer fear death because
the issue of the Christian faith is the resurrection of
Jesus Christ. That is the issue. And so once death
is defeated, it is no longer feared. So people are
willing to die for Jesus. And that was an incredible

(10:12):
witness and testimony. And so when Charlie died, he died publicly.
I can't think of a more public death in my lifetime,
and it was surreal for me and I'm sure for
most watching on the phone going is AI, is this
not real? This can't be real. I'm praying Lord Jesus, please,

(10:33):
I hope it is not real. But Charlie loved Jesus
Christ and his highest allegiance and devotion was to Jesus Christ.
You know that, I know that. And so when it
came to the funeral, everyone who talked about Charlie had
to talk about Jesus because Jesus was the person Charlie
was always talking about. And so now in his wake,

(10:53):
what I really honor about Charlie and I really appreciate
about Erica. They pointed everybody who was following them in
the right place, get a Bible, go to church, keep going.
Eric has said, And now people are actually following their
leadership and their example, which is incredibly honoring to the
Lord Jesus, and there'll be incredible blessing that comes upon

(11:16):
them and the organization for the act of obedience.

Speaker 6 (11:18):
That's right, that's right. We're seeing it on a local level.
I'm in touch with you know, over fifty pastors and
different text threads, talking constantly, and there's been a series
I think of tests for churches and pastors in the
last five years, COVID, different administrations.

Speaker 17 (11:34):
You know, you say it's for like like COVID was
a test. COVID was a test, so then Black Lives
Matter was a test. Yeah, the election was a test,
and the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. Those are four tests
for pastors and churches.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
That's exactly right. And pastors who are passing the test
in terms of stepping out, being public, being more bold,
being more clear, setting forth the truth plainly, not worrying
about parties, but cutting through the noise to speak the truth,
and not being afraid to to recognize that there there
is not symmetry between political parties right now in terms
of morality, and being willing to call that out across

(12:12):
the board. Andrew, we're seeing those churches, those pastors, Easter
level attendance, Easter level salvation responses. It's like there's a
moment where and we're talking all day you know with
these pastors, and they're like, you know, up thirty five percent,
up forty five percent, one church up eighty percent, and

(12:32):
just an outpouring of people. Like at my church we
baptized forty five people yesterday. The consistent testimony I'll tell
one stories is Negadi on myself, a guide, been coming
to Gray City Church for ten years, a little embarrassing
ten years in a city group. His wife, a follower, stubborn,
unwilling to submit to Jesus, had been following Charlie, had

(12:53):
heard a hundred sermons from me, been following Charlie. And
Wednesday afternoon God break, and as a result of this
event in Charlie's martyrdom, he breaks down weeping in his
office gives his life to Jesus. He's this introverted, quiet
guy who would follow his wife to church but never
were talking about Jesus. We have not been able to
shut him up. He's bringing neighbors and friends and co

(13:17):
workers radically saved in the wake of this horrific event.

Speaker 16 (13:21):
That reminds me when I got saved, I couldn't stop
reading the Bible, and I couldn't stop talking about it
with people. I think that's actually a really interesting proof
point when somebody is really saved. I forgive me, guys,
I don't want to interrupt this conversation, but I do
have to do a little family business here. As you
and the audience would know, we haven't been doing ad reads.
We haven't been talking about any of the partners on

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this show for the last I don't know, eighteen days,
nineteen days. And that was out of respect, obviously for
what just happened. And I just said no, and I
told our partners, our broadcast partners, that we couldn't. And
it wasn't out of disrespect for the advertisers. It was
out of just respect for what we've all just been
living through. But today we're going to start again. And

(14:06):
the reason is is because we love our advertisers and
they've been supporting us, and they've been faithful to us,
and they've faithful to Charlie and this team, and so
today we're going to do that. So I hope that
that makes sense, and I hope you understand. And I
just want to say thank you to our advertising you know,
our network partners and our advertising partners for bearing with us.
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(15:28):
So anyways, thank you guys for your patience with us.
As we get back into a little bit of regular rhythm.
Here more with Pastor Mark and Pastor Josh. When we
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Speaker 4 (15:50):
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Speaker 16 (15:52):
All right, welcome back to Real America's Voice again. As
I said, we're trying to get back to a little
bit of regular and I just want to say again
thank you to our advertising partners that have been so
gracious and patient with us, and thank you to the
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Speaker 1 (17:08):
We'll be right back with radio.

Speaker 16 (17:20):
All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show radio
stations across the country. I'm here with pot Pastor Mark
driscoll and pastor Josh McPherson.

Speaker 6 (17:30):
Crushed it.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Dang it, I'm gonna get it, yeah eventually.

Speaker 16 (17:35):
Yeah, I'm new, so forgive me. So anyways, we're talking
about revival, and we were just talking about this manifest
presence of God and that you can sort of feel
the Holy Spirit and this is that common that that's
this out pouring. Wait when you look at the history
of revival, and by the way, tell us some examples
of a revival so that we have something compared it to.

Speaker 17 (17:56):
Yeah, so, and thank you for the honor of having
the conversation. And it's for those who don't know it's
wild because I mean I've known you for.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
How long I want to say, twenty years.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
Which is wild. If you were in college each and.

Speaker 6 (18:09):
Your kids on Sunday school at Marsillas one of the stories,
yeah wild.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
Yeah, wild.

Speaker 17 (18:14):
And so what happens is what precedes revival is often
a new way of distributing information. So in the days
of the New Testament, you wouldn't get Christianity in the
Apostle Paul unless you had Roman peace and the road system,
so then Christianity could spread. And similarly, when you get
new technology, it tends to be used of God for revival.

(18:37):
So for example, the printing press with Johann Gutenberg, it
allowed the Protestant Reformation. Then comes the advent of technology
that allows people to meet in stadiums. Well, now you
get the Billy Grahams. He couldn't do that. Before you
get radio. Now you're getting to go into countries and
closed areas. Then you get television, and now it's a
new opportunity. And now we're in a digital age. And

(19:00):
Charlie showed with his life and legacy the impact of
new media. So what precedes revival oftentimes is new technology
that opens new opportunity. And then what usually happens in revival.
God isn't doing something new, He's doing what he's always
doing in deeper and greater measure. God is always saving people.

(19:22):
God is always changing people. God is always manifesting himself.
But in a revival, it goes from like a creek
to a torrent flood, yeah, to a flash flood, and
all of a sudden, it's like, Okay, we're used to
a few people coming to church or reading their Bible
or asking about Jesus, and now all of a sudden,
it is a moment. And so revival is usually preceded

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by a moment. And in the early Church, that moment
was the martyrdom of Stephen, the first martyr in the
New Testament. And actually revival started first time that I
remember in the Old Testament with the murder of Abel
Cain kills a well, the first martyr in the Bible
was Able and then it says at that time people

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began to call upon the name of the Lord. And
so historically there is a moment. Oftentimes that moment is
a martyrdom, and then there's a movement, and so it
goes from a moment to a movement, and now that
person's life becomes their legacy and other people are following
in their footsteps and wake. With the death of Charlie

(20:25):
Kirk and his clarity about the Gospel of Jesus Christ
and him answering questions about Christ right before he was murdered,
we now have a moment. The question is will it
become a movement in ten years of people are still
reading their Bible and still going to church and still
learning about Jesus.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
You know you've got a movement.

Speaker 17 (20:44):
Historically one of the most interesting things in the history
of movements. They tend to be ignited by young people.
I wrote a few notes down so Jonathan Edwards during
the Great Awakenings. He started preaching at nineteen. George Whitfield
twenty five. Circuit writers were in their twenty The average
died by their early thirties.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Deal Moody, the Methodists yep Dale newty Am. They rode themselves.

Speaker 17 (21:07):
Yeah, there were certain guys that literally killed six horses
just riding to preach. Deal Moody twenty one, Bonhoffer twenty five,
Charles Hadden Spurge in nineteen, Billy Graham nineteen. Charlie Kirk
eighteen started proclaiming and what you see is that most
revivals are led by youth. The United This will be

(21:29):
shocking to people who think that it's all political and
not spiritual. The United States of America was an attempt
at a youth movement to spark a revival. The Pilgrims
who landed and the Puritans who landed tended to be
in their teens and twenties, and they were rejected and
mocked for being quote mere children, and they were coming

(21:49):
to establish religious liberty and freedom. Historically, we saw it
with the Jesus movements in the sixties and seventies. The
entirety of the second they were all hip young in
the second grade Awakening, it was mainly college kids. So
when revival hits, it's new technology. It's a moment that
activates a young generation that leads to a movement. And

(22:12):
so we have all of the ingredients are here, and
I hope and I pray that that is exactly what
we're on the precipice of.

Speaker 16 (22:19):
Yeah, I just want to affirm some of your observations there.
I mean, I was in the room. I was watching
the analytics come through and we would see and we
did fifteen billion views on social media in the lead
up to the election, and then we basically doubled it
in the spring after it. So, I mean, we just

(22:40):
and I kept telling her. I was like, you are
insanely famous, man. We need to like but.

Speaker 6 (22:45):
I really know it.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
No, I didn't. I kept going like it was.

Speaker 16 (22:48):
I tweeted really close after we kept having to recalibrate
because I just was like on a two year delay
somehow just how many people knew who he was. And
I was like, I'm still getting used to this. We're
going to take a quick radio break. We'll keep going
in the stream. Don't go anywhere.

Speaker 18 (23:12):
Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm
Terrence Bates. Thanks so much for being here with us.
Happening right now at the White House, President Trump scheduled
to be meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nette Yahoo.
The two are holding a bilateral meeting and are scheduled
to hold a news conference together within the next hour
or so. You can see the arrival here. Today's meeting

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comes on the heels of Natan Yahoo. Addressing the United
Nations General Assembly on Friday that same day, President Trump
alluded to a nearing to nearing a peace or cease
fire deal in Gaza, and just this morning, White House
Press Secretary Caroline Levitt saying that all sides are quote
very close to agreeing to a comprehensive plan to end

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the war in Gaza. She says the President's Special envoy
to the Middle East sent each had a detailed twenty
one point planned for ending the war. Levitt also says
the Commander in chief expects both sides to agree. Quote
the President knows and believes that this is as good
of a plan as these sides are going to see,
and that's why it's a twenty one point plan, she says.

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President Trump also set to meet with top congressional leaders today,
as the deadline to avoid a government shutdown is now
just hours away. Today's meeting comes after the Commander in
Chief canceled a planned meeting with Democrat leaders from both
the House and Senate last week, saying that he didn't
believe talks will be constructive. Congressional Republicans are calling on

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their Democrat colleagues to agree to a continuing resolution that
would keep the government funded through November twenty first. While
the measure passed in the House Senate Democrats rejected the
resolution and are demanding that recent cuts to healthcare programs
be rescinded as part of any effort to keep the
government open. Many believe that Democrats will force a shut

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down tomorrow if they don't get their way. Amid the
government shutdown tug of war, President Trump is calling Portland, Oregon,
a war zone. That's why he's federalizing a couple hundred
Oregon National Guardsmen to.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Patrol that city.

Speaker 18 (25:13):
On True Social forty seven, writing at the request of
Secretary of Homeland Security Christy Nome, I am directing Secretary
of War Pete Hegseth to provide all necessary troops to
protect war ravaged Portland and any of our ice facilities
under siege from attack by Antifa and other domestic terrorists.
That's a great check of your headlines. I'm Terrence Bates.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
The next Great Awakening is here.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

Speaker 16 (25:55):
All right, Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm
Andrew Colvett, Executive producer of this fine show. So having
an amazing conversation. I hope you guys are enjoying it
because I'm like just fixated and fascinated by it, and
I hope everybody we're going to get to some prescriptive
items of what we need to do to be a
part of what God's doing in a revival. So I'm

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you about because God goes where he's wanted, and Charlie

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wanted this. He wanted to see the youth. He devoted
his life from the time of being eighteen. And he
was mocked and ridiculed and told it was, you know,
fool's errand and he just kept at it.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
He just kept at it. He just kept at it.

Speaker 16 (28:11):
And then all of a sudden, you saw that spring fourth,
and I was relating to you that story of John Wimber,
who founded the Vineyard and he really wanted to see
God's miracles. We could debate the merits of whether that
was useful or not, but he worked at it like
a fool for four.

Speaker 6 (28:25):
Years, pure hunger and desire.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Sure, hunger and desire.

Speaker 16 (28:28):
And then all of a sudden, if you know, if
you know anything about the Vineyard Church movement, the yeah,
it explodes worship. Yeah, and they have this Toronto blessing
and a bunch of you know, people experience a manifest
presence of the Holy Spirit there. So I'm not relating
the two, but there is this sort of thing where
I want to tell people out in the audience, if
you hunger and desire for the things of the Lord,

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if you push when they're when it feels like you're
getting nowhere, sometimes God's going to answer that moment with
something truly remarkable.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
I'm not promising it.

Speaker 16 (28:58):
God will do what he will do, but I just
couldn't help but think about how badly Charlie wanted this
and so to see it come to fruition is amazing.
And then to hear you say that revival starts with
the youth. I mean there was you'd go to one
campus and put Charlie there, and these kids were hanging
from lamp posts and finding stairs to climb up and
hanging on railing and you couldn't fit them all in

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these campus squares, and it just it feels like that's
what's happening. And then you put together the final thing,
and then the floor is yours. Marc Is when we met,
you said, well, we're going to see is God going
to bypass the pulpit?

Speaker 17 (29:33):
So yes, I believe that. So in addition to revival,
there's reformation. So reformation is God pruning, cleaning up a
church oftentimes because of its cowardice or tolerance, and tolerance
is the counterfeit of repentance. And so any of the
churches that have brought in it sort of bought into
the progressive agenda of tolerance. They are not honoring God

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because that is the counterfeit of repentance. And so I
believe that reformation is God clean up the church, and
then revival is God bringing people to himself. But if
people want to go to church, if the church doesn't
have any courage or clarity. It's not going to be
helpful to those new people. And so this is I
believe what God is doing is he is in this moment.
He has bypassed the pulpits and he instead chose to

(30:19):
have the Gospel preached in the largest platform in the
history of the world. And there's two things, actually three
things I want to say about that. Number one, when
we had lunch and you know, it was just good
to catch up with you, there was one thing that
I felt that the Holy Spirit told me to tell you,
and that is that whoever decided to allow the live

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stream of Charlie's funeral and memorial to not be copyrighted
but to be freely shared, to say thank you on
behalf of Jesus Christ, because that permitted the biggest gospel
presentation in my awareness of any.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Moment in the history humanity of humanity.

Speaker 17 (30:58):
And I believe you made that decision to allow it
to be streamed and not copyrighted. And for those who
are tuning in, there's money, there's power, there's favors that
can be curried through taking that moment and trying to
monetize it. And what you chose to do was maximize it.
And so in that moment, we as pastors honor you

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because in that moment you decided I'm going to allow
the most people to hear about Jesus and not worry
about what I get in return. And so I know
I was your pastor for some years and I love you,
and I just want to say I'm incredibly proud of
you and on behalf of Jesus Christ and Christians. Thank
you for being the person who allowed the Gospel to

(31:42):
go out to the largest audience in the history of humanity.
And most people don't know that that was your choice,
and I know it was with Erica's full support totally.

Speaker 16 (31:50):
Yeah, it wasn't just me, you know, but the whole
team didn't even question when it was like, no, we
got to go forward and this is forever buddy for
the gospel.

Speaker 17 (32:02):
But then to they're not to interrupting, my friend. But
the moment that if revival does break out, where there
was I believe a shifting breaking in the unseen.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Realm was Erica Kirk.

Speaker 6 (32:15):
That's right.

Speaker 17 (32:16):
She was elegant, courageous, emotionally present, completely appropriate, devotedly loyal
to her God and her husband and her family. But
the moment was when she chose forgiveness over unforgiveness and
bitterness and vengeance. And to me, revival is all about

(32:40):
the forgiveness of sin. Yes, and she modeled, if she
can this is like, I want to be careful with this.
I want to turn Charlie into Jesus. I know that
Charlie knew that he was in Jesus. But when when
Jesus was on the cross, he prayed, Father, forgive them.
When Steven the martyr was being martyred is the first
martyr the New Testament Church. He echoed Jesus' words and

(33:03):
he said, Father, forgive them. And and then when Erica said,
I forgive him, forgiveness of sin is what unleashes the
power of the Holy Spirit. And revival is all about
one thing, the forgiveness of sin through Jesus Christ. And
so in that moment, Erica used the platform that God

(33:24):
gave her. And in that moment God bypassed many pulpits.
And there was more courage and clarity with the presentation
of Jesus on that day than in many pulpits. And
we were sitting there next we kept looking at each other.
We're pastors and it was wild.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
It was just it was.

Speaker 17 (33:43):
Like, is anybody not going to do I mean, is
everybody here an evangelist?

Speaker 4 (33:47):
I mean it was wild.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
And here, who's you know, not a Christian?

Speaker 16 (33:52):
She tried, She's about to preach the guy.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
And I'll leave it at this.

Speaker 17 (33:59):
The second, the second moment to me that was incredibly
sacred and could be the spark of revival was the
humility of Jdvans when he said, basically, I'm paraphrasing that
I've always been a Christian, but I've not spoken openly
and boldly as a and I've talked more about Jesus
in the last few weeks than I have in my
whole life. To be the vice president of the United

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States of America and to publicly confess that your allegiance
to Jesus has been less than one hundred percent, you
don't have to do that. And he did that, and
he did that as an example of humility. And I
would say to all pastors and Christian leaders who maybe
have not been totally courageous and fearless, follow his example

(34:41):
and apologize to your people. And so in that too, though,
I mean, when JD did that, I believe that I
believe that if he is going to become our next president,
I believe that was the moment, because that was the
moment that he chose humility and to honor Jesus above
all else. And I believe Jesus honor those who live
under his authority. But you were saying backstage that that

(35:03):
wasn't part of his notes.

Speaker 16 (35:05):
No, he had lipped that moment. Yeah, because I could
see backstage. I mean it was a surreal backstage. You
got President Trump walking around, and you know, Don Junior
and Pete, heg Seth and all these people, right, and I'm.

Speaker 6 (35:17):
Watching who, by the way, preached a great sermon on
the martyr with Stephen.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
He did a good job. And when.

Speaker 17 (35:24):
He said said Jesus is king over all, and I'm like,
you run the Department of War and you're under authority.

Speaker 6 (35:31):
That's right, I interrupted, But no.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
You're absolutely right.

Speaker 16 (35:33):
Well, I just want to I want to give JD
a little bit more, you know, kudos here. He's not
held back since there, he's changed. Check out clip eighteen.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
You said that you.

Speaker 12 (35:47):
Hadn't read the Bible or talked about the Bible as
much as you have in the last two weeks.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Since Charlie was killed.

Speaker 19 (35:53):
I always felt uncomfortable talking about that because I grew
up in a country that was very secular. I don't
feel uncomfortable talking about that stuff anymore. I'm going to
talk about God. I'm going to talk about my faith
because that's what Charlie would want, and I think it's
the best way to honor my.

Speaker 6 (36:05):
Friend when he said that, I had a thought. And
this is kind of for theology nerds. Aaron Wrenn wrote
an article that was kind of broke up evangelicalism into
three kind of epochs of time. Nineteen fifty four to
nineteen ninety four was positive world, where it was public,
it was socially adventuregeous to be public with your faith.
You couldn't get elected for public office unless you identify

(36:26):
with Protestant or Catholic Christianity. You know, all these kind
of things. Leave it to Beaver era whatever. And then
he identifies nineteen ninety four to twenty fourteen as neutral world,
where Christianity stock is kind of falling. It's not necessarily
socially advantageous to identify as a Christian anymore, but it's
not socially adventageous. Yeah, it's just neutral. So people weren't hostile,

(36:49):
they were just indifferent to Christianity. Right, And in twenty
fourteen he marks a distinct change. Oh, Bergafell, we have
a ruleer in the highest core of the land that's
now codifying anti Christian morality into our code of law.
So that's the change, right, any marks of other social
things where we went from culture being neutral or indifferent
towards Christianity to culture being hostile towards Christianity. So now

(37:13):
it wasn't just socially advantageous or neutral, it's now soldierly
disadvantageous to identify yourself as a Christian. Christians going to ground. Okay,
there's open hostility towards Christianity. And what we see is
people having a sense of moral duty to suppress Christianity
because it's evil now, right, one of the marks of
this era has been like the public offenses to go

(37:37):
public with your Christianity. I had the thought, just a
sense of my spirit when JD said that something broke
in the reality of neutral and he's saying, I will
now be aggressively, unapologetically, consistently, passionately, clearly public about my faith.
And when you have one of the highest authorities in
the land saying that something's changed and something shifted. And

(37:59):
Charlie was doing that when it was dangerous and when
it was costly, and when very few other people would
do it. And now you're seeing the propetical first right boom,
there's a there's a there's a breach in the wall.
And it feels like talking publicly about Jesus now is
could start becoming a cultural norm where it was culturally
disambanitatous before, which is pretty well. How to think about

(38:20):
the impact I could have is a ripples throughout the land.

Speaker 16 (38:22):
Yeah, that's kind of where I was gonna go with
the next but we're already there is you know, we
have one minute here, real quick, mark.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
But you know, I work.

Speaker 16 (38:32):
I think people worry about the purity of the Gospel
being diluted a little bit when the leaders start happening.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
That's not what I saw, though.

Speaker 16 (38:40):
I saw a very sincere presentation from the heart, from
the power. Yeah, from the most powerful people on the
you know, in the planet.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
And is there power in that?

Speaker 16 (38:51):
I mean, obviously it's what we've always wanted, so, but
there is a concern I don't know for me that
it that it would become hijacked somehow, or.

Speaker 17 (38:59):
You know, movements are messy, they just are, and there's
going to be mistakes made and then there'll be you know,
changes made, and that's just the nature of everything that
is in the process of growing and flourishing. There's a
little pruning along the way.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (39:13):
Well, because you think about the Roman Empire, right, it
was when it was when it was underground, it was
spreading like wildfire. When it became institutionalized, that's when you
get some corruption, get some corruptions. All right, we're going
to go to a quick break. We will be back
in just a minute. Don't go anywhere.

Speaker 17 (39:41):
New wine and churches that won't talk about Charlie. They're
just proving that they're the old wine skin.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Or schools and universities.

Speaker 16 (39:48):
I mean, guys, I'm getting I'm getting flooded with people.
You know, there's a story I won't I won't break it.
Now I'm getting a whistleblower. Just why we've been on
the show of a major company in America that won't
let their employees donate to Turning Point right now because.

Speaker 6 (40:05):
They have like a match.

Speaker 16 (40:06):
They won't they have a match program, right, so if
you're a company, you can donate.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
Company.

Speaker 16 (40:12):
I won't say yeah, I'm not ready yet. I got
to talk to them, but I'm being alerted to this,
you know. Over the weekend I highlighted Lipscomb Academy, which
is a Christian school in Nashville where a bunch of conservatives,
prominent ones send their kids to this school. And about
twenty young men showed up in suits and ties to
honor Charlie the day after he was murdered, and the

(40:34):
principal called him in and said, you got to take
those off.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
It's it's against stress code because there's nothing worse than
young men wearing a suit and ties. Yeah, and it's funny.
I told you this before the show. There's just like
a feeling that men want to put a suit jacket on.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
That's a growing want to grow up. It's a good thing.

Speaker 16 (40:49):
Put your shoulders back, own your life, be a man,
move forward with dignity and respect. That's a good thing.
And this school shut it down and punish the kids.
And they haven't uttered Charlie's name sense, And so all
the parents and teachers are really upset over at lipskib Academy.
We're going to be watching you lipscom. We'll be right back,

(41:17):
all right, welcome back radio stations across the country.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
You're about to say, Pastor Josh.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
Well, we were talking earlier about okay, what happens when
the lines get blurred and government, you know, Christianity, How
this works. I think one of the things to keep
in mind is, and this is more kind of Kuyperia
and jurisdictional theology, but God has different spheres of human
sovereignty and he appoints those spheres with responsibility and authorities.

(41:43):
So you have the family and the household. Mom and
dad are an authority over the kids. Their responsibility is
to raise the kids, shepherd the kids, educate the kids,
the well being of the family. Then you have the church.
Their responsibility is to preach the pure Gospel, to administer
the sacraments, and to be a culture and government's conscience
in the bold declaration of the truth. And then you

(42:03):
have the government. And it's a distinct lane that God's
given authority to and responsibility for. But it's a small lane.
And I think Charlie understood that. But if that lane grows,
it starts impeding on the other lanes to the detriment
of all the jurisdictions. But the point is God has
given them a job, and it's to bear the sword
against evildoers. It's to reward the righteous, and it's to

(42:25):
defend the people by allowing there to be an orderly
nation by protecting borders. That's Romans thirteen. And so I
don't need those in government to necessarily even preach the Gospel.
I mean, I mean the Memorial was like amazing. What
I need them to do is to do the job.
So one of my favorite speeches was Stephen Miller when
he stood up and he's like, you are nothing, you
have nothing, We're coming after you. It's like, I want

(42:47):
the preachers to preach the Gospel, and I want the
government to bear the sword against unrighteousness. And then you're
into morality. Who gets to define what's righteous what's unrighteous?
Who gets declared the standard of morality? So we need
our government to be built on the morality of something.
And so the whole idea that's being exposed, I think
is the myth of the neutrality of secularism. Every government

(43:13):
has to have a worldview that they draw from to
know how to do their job, and so the beauty like,
I don't need our government officials to priest the Gospel,
but we need them to stand on the foundation of
the moral law of God so they can do their
job and really stay out of the church's lane, which
is what we could get into later if they wanted
to what we're seeing happen in the White House. I
think they understand the need for the government to get
small or so the church can do their job.

Speaker 16 (43:34):
Yeah, one of the things I do want to talk
about is the tendency of the mainstream news media to
describe what's happening as Christian nationalists.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
So I want, I do want to get to that.

Speaker 16 (43:43):
And I think that's instantly where I go there. But
I you know, I the other thought that I have,
just based on what you're saying, is that Charlie was
expert at sort of not bifurcating his faith and not
compartmentalizing his His faith was just everywhere, all the time.
It doesn't matter every what he was talking about. And
I noticed the same instinct that I have. It's like, well, okay,
I'm talking about Lipscomb Academy, you know, on Twitter and

(44:05):
X saying listen, I'm here a lot of really bad things,
like people running that school are not on the team.
As a matter of fact, they're hostile to a lot
of what God is doing in this moment, and they're
hostile to the kids that love Charlie. Well, that doesn't
feel very Nashville conservative enclave. It feels like people have
infiltrated that school that need to be fired all over.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
But that comes from my Christian conviction.

Speaker 16 (44:31):
That comes from a sense of righteousness, like I'm not
I'm not putting one in one compartment and putting another
in another compartment. I'm saying, listen, Charlie. Charlie was confronting
evil wherever he saw it, and he's proclaiming the truth. Well,
you punish kids for, you know, trying to honor Charlie
by wearing a suit and a tie. That's an amazing gesture.
You should have honored that, and they didn't. And you

(44:53):
talk about tests and it's like you passed the test
or you failed the test. Well, they failed it, and
I don't see any other way. And now listen, the
school's gonna do what they're gonna do. But I think
there's a power in us as Christians not saying, well,
I put my Christianity here on Sunday, and then when
I go to Washington, DC as your congressman or as
your vice president or whatever, I'm gonna put it over here,

(45:13):
and I'm gonna put my faith in a little box.
There is a power being unleashed, and I gotta believe
that that's part of the new wine skin because the
devil knew that this was going to happen or something, you.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
Know, give us help an architecture.

Speaker 16 (45:25):
Yeah, and by the way, and exactly, but God like
there's and I think he's laying the trap.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
So Christian national Christian national and Christian at will, guess
what was going to happen.

Speaker 16 (45:35):
Charlie Kirk was gonna die a martyr's death, and then
the world's most powerful leaders were gonna get up on
a stage with one hundred million people streaming it, and
they were gonna start speaking the truth about Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
And guess what Christian nationalism?

Speaker 10 (45:47):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Really?

Speaker 6 (45:48):
Christian nationalists?

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Or is that just living your faith in public?

Speaker 17 (45:51):
Well, so Jesus is Lord overall or he's not Lord
out art. If we believe that he right now is
high and exalted, He's over government, he's over family, he's
over nation, cultures, businesses, churches, and so to say Jesus
Christ has jurisdiction here but not there is to be
disloyal to his sovereignty and to his lordship.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
It just is Yeah.

Speaker 6 (46:14):
I mean, even from a sociological perspective, you're either going
to have nationalism or globalism, or globalism or anarchism, right,
and so you're gonna have tyranny, anarchy, or an orderly society.
So let's just start there. Nations are a good thing.
And then that nation is going to be built on
a worldview. And we think the Christian worldview is a
superior worldview that does the most good for the most people,

(46:37):
even those who don't adhere to it.

Speaker 17 (46:39):
But if our rights come from our career, the question
is what's his name?

Speaker 4 (46:43):
That's the question.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Well, we'll pick it up for the stream. In just
one second.

Speaker 16 (46:47):
Radio Hour one comes to a close, Radio Hour two
to begin in just a few minutes.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 18 (47:10):
Welcome back to this Real America's Voice newsbreak. I'm Terrence Bates.
Happening right now at the White House, President Trump is
meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahoo. The two are
holding a bilateral meeting and are scheduled to hold a
press conference together within this coming hour. Today's meeting comes
on the heels of net Yahoo addressing the United Nations

(47:30):
General Assembly on Friday, that is the same day President
Trump alluded to nearing a peace deal or even a
cease fire deal in Gaza, and just this morning White
House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt saying that all sides are
quote very close to agreeing to a comprehensive plan to
end the war in Gaza. She says the President's Special
envoy to the Middle East sent each side a detailed

(47:52):
twenty one point plan for ending the war. Levitt goes
on to say the Commander in Chief expects both sides
to agree. Quote the President knows and believes that this
is a good as good a deal as these sides
are going to see, and that's why it's twenty one points.
President Trump, in the meantime, set to meet with top
congressional leaders later today, as the deadline to avoid a

(48:15):
government shutdown is just hours away. Today's meeting comes after
the Commander in Chief canceled a planned meeting with Democrat
leaders from the House and Senate last week, saying that
he didn't believe talks would be constructive. Congressional Republicans are
calling on their Democrat colleagues to agree to a continuing
resolution that would keep the government funded through November twenty first.

(48:36):
While the measure passed in the House, Senate, Democrats rejected
the resolution and are demanding that recent cuts to health
care programs be rescinded as part of any effort to
keep the government open. Many believe Democrats will force a
shut down tomorrow if they don't get their way. President
Trump calling on the Department of Justice and the FBI

(48:56):
to take another look at the events of January sixth.
It's one of his latest true social posts. Here's what
he writes, as it now turns out FBI agents were
at and in the January sixth protests, probably acting as
agitators and insurrectionists, but certainly not as law enforcement officials.
I want to know who each and every one of
these so called agents are and what they were up

(49:19):
to on that now historic day. Many great American patriots
were made to pay a very big price only for
the love of their country. I owe this investigation of
dirty cops and cricket politicians to them. Christopher Ray, the
then director of the FBI, has some major explaining to do.
That's two in a row, Comy and Ray, who got
caught lying with our great country at stake. Meantime, Georgia

(49:43):
Congressman Barry Laudermilk is already leading in congressional effort to
reinvestigate January sixth. House Speaker Mike Johnson describes it as
a committee to investigate the previous j six subcommittee.

Speaker 20 (49:55):
Why because there was so much bias in the system
and that committee was rigged, I think, and I think
they My theory is I've always believed that they got
rid of evidence and they hit some of this, so
all of it's going to come out that American people
deserve full transparency. Full transparency is working on and that's
what the administration is.

Speaker 18 (50:12):
I'm always meantime, amid the government shutdown, tug of war,
President Trump calling Portland, Oregon.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
A war zone.

Speaker 18 (50:19):
That's why he is federalizing a couple hundred Oregon National
Guardsmen to patrol the city. On True Social forty seven,
writing at the request of Secretary of Homeland Security Christy Nome,
I'm directing Secretary of War Pete Hegseth to provide all
necessary troops to protect war ravaged Portland and any of
our ice facilities under siege from attack by Antifa and

(50:40):
other domestic terrorists. I am also authorizing full force if necessary.
Thank you for your attention to this matter, he writes.
In response, Oregon is suing to block the move, saying
that you can't use National Guard soldiers to enforce domestic
law enforcement. The state's governor also argues that there is
no real crisis Portland. The deployment now puts Oregon at

(51:02):
the center of the constitutional legal debate about how much
authority a president. In this particular case, President Trump has
when it comes to overriding a governor and deploying guardsmen. Well,
New York City may be one step closer to electing
Communist Orin Mamdani as its next mayor now that incumbent
Mayor Eric Adams is out of the race. The embattled

(51:24):
Adams was running as an independent after it became clear
that he couldn't win a second term as Democrat. Mam
Donnie and former New York Governor Andrew Cromo.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Remain in the race.

Speaker 18 (51:34):
Mam Donni by the way, considered the front runner, being
after being beating Cuomo.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
Excuse me in the Big.

Speaker 18 (51:40):
Apples Democratic primary when President Trump says Sunday's attack on
a Mormon church appears to be yet another targeted attack
on Christians in this country. At least four people are dead,
eight others hurt. That's a quick check of your headlines.
I'm Terrence Bates.

Speaker 16 (52:15):
All right, Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. I
am Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this fine show, and
I'm honored to be joined by Pastor Mark driscoll and
Pastor Josh McPherson.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
McPherson, I.

Speaker 16 (52:31):
Doubt myself, so it's not see what what was them?

Speaker 1 (52:36):
No fear in McPherson.

Speaker 16 (52:38):
That's a good one, because I'm tempted every time I
said to say McPherson and all our guys at the
t P s a UH Faith Team are huge admirers
and followers of yours, and here I am like first,
but it's just so disrespectful. But I honor you and
I'm grateful for you to be here, and you know
you the the t B s A Faith Team is

(52:59):
going to give me a Stern talking to I can
assure you after this.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
All in love.

Speaker 16 (53:06):
So here, I want to now transition our conversation so
that so I can.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
We are going to We're going to We're going to
pivot a little bit.

Speaker 16 (53:19):
I'm going to go to this conversation about Christian nationalism
and I'm going to play some clips of what they're
now saying about this, and then we're going to talk
about the demonic and then I want you.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Guys just prepare your spirits for this.

Speaker 16 (53:33):
I think it's important that pastors are encouraged, warned, and
you know, given some guidance on what this season will entail.
You talk about new wine, skins and new wine, so
I want to talk about that. That's kind of I
think where we're going. We'll see if if that materializes.
But I'm going to play these two clips here. Let's
go ahead and play cut seven.

Speaker 21 (53:54):
You're seeing here is a movement called Christian nationalism that
merges Christianity as it's been practiced in America for you know, centuries,
with a very specific interpretation of what the Founding fathers wanted,
what Aristotle wanted. This strain of interpretation of the Bible
merge Christianity and protecting the Western civilization values into one

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and the same thing.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
All right.

Speaker 16 (54:21):
So that's Tina Nuinn from uh Verge. I think she's
at the Verge. She was with Puck, she's been with
political I've actually known her for a long time. She's
always been very nice to me and a stand up operator.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
I actually told her I.

Speaker 16 (54:35):
Was probably gonna like slamm her with that clip today,
but I said I would do it nice because she's
actually nice, and she listened. She is misinterpreting the signs
of the times, but we can get into that in
just a second. I told her that let's go ahead
and play cut eight. This is Don Lemon talking about
something similar.

Speaker 22 (54:52):
What we saw in that arena was not simply faith
finding public expression. It was religious nationalism on full display.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
That is the truth. That is my truth. This is
my freedom of expression.

Speaker 22 (55:07):
This is my first Amendment right to be able to
tell you the truth.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Mark is that the truth.

Speaker 17 (55:16):
So our nation is founded on rights. We are told
that those rights come not from government, they come from God,
and that God has authority over government, and that all
governmental authority is derivative from God. The question, then, is
what is the name of this God, that's the question.

(55:38):
The Muslims would say his name is Allah, the Christians
would say his name is Jesus Christ. And so at
the end of the day, as soon as you answer
the question of what the name of that God is,
you're picking a team. And what I find interesting is
this is slanderous. It is it is fear based, it
is fear mongering. And as Pastor Josh said previously, you

(56:01):
get anarchy, you know, which if you want to know
what that looks like, you know, go to Portland tonight.
You get globalism where we send all of our young
men and dollars overseas until we cease to exist as
a country and eradicate our borders and allow criminals and
cartels to be in charge. Or you have nationalism, and
nationalism is what God says is best for human life

(56:24):
and flourishing. The first attempt at globalism is back in
Genesis in a place called Babel, that is ancient Babylon,
that is today Iraq. They all have the same language,
they all get together, and they're trying to chase this
Marxist utopian counterfeit vision of a perfect life on earth
without God, and it's globalism. God looks down and says,

(56:44):
they're united, and unless we spread them into nations, they're
going to do tremendous evil. So united people without God
are dangerous people. And so then God scatters them into
nations and he confuses them into languages. And so nationalism
is what God did to save us from destroying ourselves

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at the end of the age. According to the storyline
of the Bible, depending upon your reading, at the end
of the age, all the nations will seek to come
together into a globalistic vision. But then the question is
who gets to be the leader, And it's not Christ,
it's the anti Christ. And so if all power is
consolidated globally, one demonically satanically possessed person wielding all of

(57:28):
that power becomes the end of civilization. And so globalism
is a naive myth from the earliest days of Genesis,
and nationalism was God's answer to globalism, it says in
Acts seventeen. God determines the times and places in which
we live. God had me, though Irish by descent, born
in America in nineteen seventy, and that was God's decision

(57:50):
for me. I love my God, and I love where
he put me.

Speaker 16 (57:56):
And you know we were talking the break faster Josh,
that you know you want you have this, you you
feel like you understand why Charlie was so dangerous to
some of these these ideas, whether whether we call it
demonic ideas just far left ideas. And I don't think
all left ideas, just for the record, are demonic. I'm

(58:17):
just saying there are some that are demonic. There's some
that are left and far left. Why was Charlie so
dangerous to kind of this this old lie.

Speaker 6 (58:26):
Well, I think what made him effective and therefore dangerous
was that Charlie was not primarily a political animal. And
he said that in his own words. And Charlie's political
theory was rooted in biblical theology, and he had an
ability like maybe nobody I've ever seen, to connect the
dots with what's happening in the in the political realm,

(58:47):
with what God has said from his moral law. And
so there's this, there's this obscure quote from John Frame,
who gave us chrirespectableism. I think that's kind of what
you got it early on, and John Frame talked about
the necessity of understanding the Gospel as the center. Now
there's been a gospel centered movement in American christian in
the last twenty years. But what the gospel center movement did,

(59:07):
I believe is turn the Gospel from the center to
a boundary. So John Frame explains like this, and this
is what I think made to Charlie so profound and
trigger me on time for running out. When you view
the Gospel as a boundary, it means all you can
do is talk about the components of the specific gospel
justification by faithfulone.

Speaker 17 (59:28):
What is the gospel for those who don't not let
her rip. It's Jesus Christ. Jesus is God, become a
man to live without sin, the only human being to
ever live without sin, declare himself to be God, the
only founder of any major world religion to declare himself
to be God, to die on the cross in our
place as our substitute for our sins, to physically bodily

(59:52):
raise from the dead, opening heaven and triumphing over Satan, sin, death, Hell,
and the wrath of God. The Gospel is the good
News about who Jesus is and what Jesus does. And
no one is who Jesus is and no one does
what Jesus does.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
That's the gospel.

Speaker 6 (01:00:10):
Amen. So what the Gospel Center movement did I believe
is turned the Gospel into a boundary. That's all you
can talk about.

Speaker 16 (01:00:16):
I totally agree. And this is this is one of
the tposa faith that we did. We said, churches, if
you don't speak into this void about you know, sex
and identity and about you know whatever, abortion, you are
leaving this vacuum that will be filled by people that
do not share your values. And so you don't have

(01:00:36):
to agree on post trib pre trib.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
You don't have to. We're not getting into that.

Speaker 16 (01:00:40):
We're saying, speak up, stand up, and speak into the
public arena, because we are losing our country. The first
and the most important thing, and Charlie always says this
was preach the gospel. The second most important thing is
to make sure you can do the first, and so
stand up, church, fill the void.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Do not be cowards. And that was what made him.

Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
If the pulpits of America don't disciple the culture, the
culture will disciple the culture to himself. Because secularism has
a god, and it's the God of self. And so
when John Frame talks about the gospel being the center,
he says it in such a way so as to
say it doesn't limit what we talk about, actually gives
us permission and obligation to connect everything in life under

(01:01:22):
the sun to the reality of the Gospel. And that's
what Charlie did. I believe in such a powerful way
sex relationships, politics, governments, and nations, connecting them to the
reality of God most explicitly found in Jesus Christ in
the Gospel.

Speaker 16 (01:01:33):
You know, I have to tell us tell the audience
about another partner. And it's funny because I for those
who missed it, we're getting getting back to a.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Little bit of regular order.

Speaker 16 (01:01:43):
And our partners, our network partners, our advertising partners have
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Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
And there is no roadmap for.

Speaker 16 (01:01:54):
This, and there's no instruction manual, so we're just doing
our best. But I tell you what, when we have
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they're Christians. Ben and Corley are amazing people. Who have
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Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
I get it.

Speaker 16 (01:02:34):
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Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Thanks so much. We'll be right back around eighteen or nineteen.

Speaker 16 (01:02:57):
Yeah, well, okay, two ingredients check check. There's a moment
that leads to a movement, right there is these other
ingredients that were called people are called repentance. And you've
got all these pupils and forgiveness, repentance and forgiveness. And
you know that's been obviously true because his Charlie's legacy

(01:03:20):
in his life was so exemplary that all these you know,
all these people are like, how do I be a
better husband? How do I be a better father? And
you know, and so you've got all these things, but
then what about the church if we're is it bypassing
the church? Is it with new wine skins? What is
your challenge and your instruction to the church. The pastors
out there that are seeing their their pews filled and

(01:03:44):
maybe some that aren't, you know, So there's like some
you know, there's a Fox News poll that says their
churches are experiencing a fifteen percent increase in congregations. Well,
some are experiencing eighty percent or hundred percent. Minds out
the door. There is obviously, you know, when we think
about revelations, you know you're gonna snuff out the lamp stands. Well,

(01:04:05):
are some churches going to fold their you know, to
close their doors during this time while others explode and grow?
So that's the question for and we'll ask it in radio.
We will be right back.

Speaker 14 (01:04:31):
All right, Welcome back to Charlie Kirk Show.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
My name is Andrew Colvett. You were looking at the
empty chair.

Speaker 16 (01:04:38):
Of our dear brother and friend, and we are trying
to honor him as best as we know how. And
one of the ways I think we do that is
we encourage the church, we admonish the church. How does
the church capture this moment? What is your what is
your word for pastors and check.

Speaker 17 (01:04:54):
So let me just say this though, for you. Looking
at the empty chair I walked in, I got pretty
choked down. How many times have you sat, you know,
here with Charlie and now you're possibly your best friend.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
I don't want to speak for you. He's gone.

Speaker 17 (01:05:11):
Just I mean, you've got a job to do, your
leading off, but just personally as a human being, as
a pastor, I just feel like asking like, yeah, where
are you out in.

Speaker 10 (01:05:18):
All of this?

Speaker 16 (01:05:18):
You know a lot of these army guys, in special
forces guys reached out and they they said, you know
comes in waves. Don't don't don't be upset at yourself
if you're not feeling what you feel like you should
be feeling one moment, and don't be upset if then
the next moment you feel like you can't take a
step forward. And that, man, that is true, Like it
is so true.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
I've been.

Speaker 16 (01:05:41):
You know, there's moments like when we were getting ready
for the memorial, it was just we're so busy. I
didn't have a chance to think or grieve. It was
just like, let's go. You know, we got we have
a job to do, and then you get done with that.
I remember I was on Jesse Waters on the Monday,
and it was like, Jesse asked me that the same question.
I was like, you know, to be honest, Jesse, it's

(01:06:01):
kind of hitting me all over again. It was like
the come down after the after that big event, and
then this weekend, you know, it just hit me again.
So I think that's just gonna be the way it is,
and I'm not afraid of it. I embrace it, you know.
I tweeted that, I was like, I can't believe he's
gone because it still doesn't feel real.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
It still feels very Yeah, it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Does, and I miss him a lot.

Speaker 16 (01:06:24):
And I you know, these like old habits that you
put you know, we worked together for eight years. I
you know, you're thinking about texting him or you know,
or something funny or some something you know, he would
say about something, and and I guess, you know, I
just know that he's in glory, and you know, as
Erica said, he's on a work trip with Jesus, and

(01:06:46):
you know, and uh, I'm just truly humbled that I
got to see it so up close. And I know
that the whole team here in the studio feels the
same way. And at turning point and yeah, yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:06:58):
Well you're grieving the loss of your friend and under
tremendous work doing things that there's no precedent or playbook
for you, just doing the best every day as you're able,
and your team's doing an incredible, edible job.

Speaker 13 (01:07:11):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Thank you.

Speaker 16 (01:07:11):
I mean, honestly, that's one of the blessings of being
with this large team, you know, because you know you're
feeling weak and then you see you know, somebody else,
you know, really doing a great job and being courageous,
and you're like, I can do it too, And I
think we all feed off each other, and you know,
we it's it's a team, it's a staff, it's a
it's a job, but it's it's really a family. And

(01:07:32):
when there's something like this happens you, it galvanizes you
and really bonds you together.

Speaker 6 (01:07:37):
And I think there could be a lot of really
weird ways to handle this moment, and just my experiencing
us how looking in a lot of discretion, a lot
of wisdom, a lot of grace, and how you guys
are handling it, I just think it's evidence of the
spirit of God leading you guys and giving you guys
grace for this moment.

Speaker 16 (01:07:54):
I mean, we got the whole world praying. I mean,
I'm not I'm very aware of that. Yeah, you know,
and I said it before, but repeating, I think a
lot of us feel it. We feel the prayers of strangers. Yes,
and that's a wild thing.

Speaker 13 (01:08:05):
You know.

Speaker 16 (01:08:05):
I've heard presidents talk about that before, where you know,
you feel sustained by the prayers and to know that
so many people have been praying for us. I mean,
I don't talk to a single person that doesn't tell
me we've been praying for you. Yeah, you know, so
thank you for asking.

Speaker 17 (01:08:19):
We love you and you forget that. Like, Charlie is
a husband, he's a father, he's got a wife, he's
got kids, he's got friends, and to the team here,
it was a very warm personal relationship. And sometimes in
a media world we think that people are just ideologies
and not you know, human beings with families and relationships.

Speaker 16 (01:08:40):
Yeah, there was definitely this very distinct effort the entire
career to make him Wooden in two dimensional and to
us he was always in you know, technicolor three D
and one of the warmest, most generous, gracious, loyal, just.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Good hearted people. Had it harded people. Yeah, funny, it's hilarious.

Speaker 6 (01:09:02):
I mean, it doesn't get.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Nearly enough credit for help.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
You know, I wanted.

Speaker 6 (01:09:05):
Charlie's secret sauce was he embodied truth, goodness, beauty. He
was a truth machine that was anchored in the goodness
of the of the moral law of God and the
wisdom of the Word of God. And he was demonstrating
real time with his beautiful wife and his beautiful kids,
the beauty of the Christian worldview working itself out in
the heart of a man. And when when you combine
that just razor sharp logic on truth, a commitment to

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fundamental goodness for all mankind, and then living out the
beauty of a Camelot story, a beautiful wife, a family
he loved, it's a powerful one two three punch that
you can't ignore. It's self authenticating that world view is working.
I think that was part of what's telling about true.

Speaker 16 (01:09:43):
It's amazing is how much Erica embodies all of those
qualities as well.

Speaker 6 (01:09:48):
Remarkably I always do.

Speaker 16 (01:09:50):
It gets to see her have this platform to be
I mean, I you know, we've talked about the Charlie effect,
and now one of the things I'm seeing more and
more social media is the Erica effect.

Speaker 17 (01:10:02):
She could turn a whole generation of young women as
he turned a whole generation of young men.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
If so, that would be revival.

Speaker 6 (01:10:07):
That's right.

Speaker 16 (01:10:07):
Wow, Okay, well, let's talk about it in just one second.
One quick break with radio.

Speaker 11 (01:10:12):
We're going to keep going on the stream.

Speaker 18 (01:10:26):
Terrence Bates here with your Real America's Voice news break.
Thanks so much for being here with us. Happening right
now at the White House, President Trump meeting with Israeli
Prime Minister Benjamin Nette and Yahoo. The tour a set
to hold a bilateral meeting, and then they're going to
have a joint news conference together, and that's expected to
happen excuse me at any moment. You can see the
podium set up. The reporters are already in place, simply

(01:10:48):
waiting for the arrival of President Trump and his Israeli counterpart.
Today's meeting comes on the heels of nat Yahoo addressing
the United Nations General Assembly on Friday, and that very
same day, Trump alluded to nearing a peace or ceasefire
deal in Gaza. Just this morning, White House Press Secretary
Caroline Levitt saying that all sides are quote very close

(01:11:10):
to agreeing to a comprehensive plan to end the Warren Gaza.
She also says the President's Special envoy to the Middle
East sent each side a detailed twenty one point plan
for ending that war. Levit goes on to say the
Commander in Chief expects both sides to agree. Quote, the
President knows and believes that this is as good a
plan as these sides are going to see, and that's

(01:11:31):
why it's a twenty one point plan. Again, we're expecting
that news conference to happen at any moment. The moment
it does will take you there live. We also could
get an answer to what Caroline Levitt said about both
sides agreeing to a peace deal, or at least a
deal to end the Warren Gaza is rarely. Prime Minister
Benjamin at Yahoo at the White House today and he
could very well make that announcement here in short order. Meantime,

(01:11:55):
President Trumps set to meet with top congressional leaders later
on today as well. This is the deadline to avoid
a government shut down is just hours away. Today's meeting
comes after the Commander in Chief canceled a planned meeting
with Democrat leaders from the House and Senate last week,
saying that he just didn't believe talks would be constructive.
Congressional Republicans are calling on their Democrat colleagues to agree

(01:12:18):
to a continuing resolution that would keep the government funded
through November twenty first. While the measure passed in the House,
Senate Democrats rejected the resolution and are demanding that recent
cuts to healthcare programs be rescinded as part of any
effort to keep the government funded. Many believe that Democrats
will force a shut down tomorrow if they don't get

(01:12:38):
their way. That's a great check off your headlines again.
We'll take you back to the White House the moment
President Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Ettyahuo come out.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
To address the media.

Speaker 18 (01:12:48):
For now, Let's get you back to your regularly structured program.

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and Jenny. All Right, so we are talking about, you know,
the spirit of the age.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
You made this comment that I.

Speaker 16 (01:15:06):
Just felt was really powerful, Pastor Josh, you said, you
know when when Erica said this statement that you're not
rivals and she's defining the roles of men and women,
that she put a spirit through the spirit of.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
The Jezebel spirit of our age. Let's play this.

Speaker 16 (01:15:21):
Cut and then I'll let you put a finish that
up clip twenty seven.

Speaker 12 (01:15:27):
But please be a leader worth following your wife. Your
wife is not your servant. Your wife is not your employee.

(01:15:50):
Your wife is not your slave. She is your helper.
You are not rivals. You are one flesh working together
for the glory of God.

Speaker 6 (01:16:04):
It's incredible, it's incredible, it's so beautiful. It's putting in
a spirit your heart of chauvinism that would look down
on a woman.

Speaker 16 (01:16:12):
Yeah, got both sides. That's a good point. Yeah, she
was an equal opportunity.

Speaker 6 (01:16:16):
Everyone got to get shot, you know, everyone got to
get addressed. So chauvinism, there's no room for that in
Biblical Christianity, feminism where men are put down and women
are elevated, and so it was powerful.

Speaker 16 (01:16:27):
Can we read Bible verses on this show, we could
preach the gospel well.

Speaker 6 (01:16:31):
Because you reminded me of us when you said it.
It's in second Corinthine is ten. In light of talking
about spiritual warfare, Mark and I've been to show you
think of this, Paul says this. He says, the weapons
we fight are not the weapons of the world. On
the contrary, where they have divine power to demolish strongholds.
And watch this. We demolish arguments and every pretension that
sets itself up against the knowledge of God. That's what
she was doing and that's what made it so powerful.

(01:16:53):
And then watch this and we take captive every thought
to make it obedient to christ. Christians typically read that
verse in a body mind point of this say, and
we think of it as personal. Take captive of my thoughts,
you know, don't have lustiful thoughts. Whatever. Paul is referencing
taking captive thoughts in the context of public argumentation, he's
calling Christians to that's a wrong thought. Charlie was going

(01:17:14):
around campuses and he was publicly taking captive those demonic
thoughts and ideologies that really had the hearts and minds
of students captive. And he was saying, that's a wrong thought,
that's a wrong idea. And he was demolishing these strongholds
that set themselves up against the knowledge of God with
the truth of the Gospel. And that's what Erica was doing,
and that's what made it social.

Speaker 16 (01:17:35):
Yeah, I mean, Charlie, there's this great clip of him saying,
my job is to confront evil. We might actually have
that clip. I think we do have that clip. My
job is to confront evil and to proclaim the truth.
But let's just play this one, just because it's fun
to hear it in his own words.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Let's play cut twenty eight. This is Charlie with Tucker Carlston.

Speaker 13 (01:17:53):
This is why your faith is the most important thing,
because for those of us that are Christians, you actually
see what going on, which is that we do not
wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities and darkness
and spirits. That there is a spiritual war here. There
is a God and we are not him. That there

(01:18:13):
is an entire dimension of angels and demons and spirits
that are constantly struggling struggling around us, and that there
is a supernatural dimension.

Speaker 6 (01:18:23):
Amen crushed it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
It's no notes.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
Well see part of it too.

Speaker 17 (01:18:27):
I said this is I think that of all the
political pundits and commentators I've met, very few would qualify
to be a pastor according to the qualifications in the Bible.
Charlie did his character, his marriage, his personal integrity, and
so I think an entire generation that was not in
church but they were online. I think they looked at

(01:18:50):
Charlie as not just a big brother, but their pastor.
So they were looking to him as to, okay, well
you know, how do I get married, how do I
have a family, what makes life meaningful? How do I
know where the truth is? So Charlie was functioning as
a pastor for an entire generation. And so when he died,
even those who weren't Christians, they they felt this devastating

(01:19:12):
personal emotional loss and that's why. And then they went
to church because that's what Pastor Charlie told them to do.
And so I believe that he is well known for
his political work. I think that now we're saying his
spiritual work was at least is equally impactful.

Speaker 16 (01:19:30):
He is bigger and so I mean, that's this is
where I want to end this conversation. In the time
we have left, We've got the rest of this segment.
In the next seme what's your word? So Erica said,
go to church. Elon Mudd Musk retweeted it, which is
why I would hope that. I hope that he was
tweeting it on his way to church.

Speaker 6 (01:19:48):
I think we saw Elon Musk singing along, singing some
worship songs. Let's go there.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
There's the there's the tweet.

Speaker 16 (01:19:57):
She's not a super active tweeter poster, but when she does,
she makes gold records. Is this she uh.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Thank you, yeah, think thank you?

Speaker 16 (01:20:10):
And that this is the Eric Elon post that and
he's posted you know. Anyways, my point is.

Speaker 6 (01:20:16):
What's happening there, I think is I don't know if
you're where Elon is with Jesus, but there's a recognition
that cultural Christianity is good for everyone.

Speaker 16 (01:20:23):
Yes, I think very well aware that he does not
want to live in an agnostic, atheist Muslim country.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
He wants to live in a Christian one. He wants
to live in one where.

Speaker 16 (01:20:31):
People have virtue and honor and honesty and integrity, and
they don't target him just because they don't like the
fact that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
He's so rich.

Speaker 16 (01:20:38):
I mean, I think he's all that's very much playing
into this, But I gotta believe that you do not
sit through and he sat through so much of it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
He's got through hours of gospel preacher.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
And you can't.

Speaker 16 (01:20:48):
It's hard to sit through that and to feel the
Holy Spirit and go it's not real.

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
Yeah. Well, and to ask too, what happens when I die? Yes?
And what will they say?

Speaker 6 (01:20:57):
Yes? And what was so powerful about that memorial?

Speaker 16 (01:20:59):
And probably be confronted with the fact that he's under
an incredible amount of threats.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
Oh, his life is constantly dangerous.

Speaker 6 (01:21:06):
Yes, Yes, I was just going to say. A friend
pointing out to me that was not an event that
had been planned for ten months. Yeah, that was a
week the event we sat in that was so sweet
and so powerful. They didn't exist ten days earlier. And
what it demonstrated was when you bump Christians with tragedy,
what pours out is hope.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
That's just so powerful.

Speaker 16 (01:21:25):
Well, and so what is the message to the shepherds,
the pastors out there, Pastor Mark, pastor Josh, how do
they pass this test and how do they step into
the anointing of this new wine that is being poured
out in the country, Because I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Think it's critical.

Speaker 16 (01:21:40):
One of the things Erica said, she said, shepherd them,
shepherd them, So I'll.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
Pick it up there.

Speaker 17 (01:21:46):
There is a wild misunderstanding of what it means to shepherd.
So in the Bible, you know, animals are out in
the field, they're exposed to wolves and predators, and so
the shepherd has two jobs. One to be tender with
the flock, to to be tough for the flock. If
we took out the word shepherd and we inserted the
word cowboy, you would have the biblical understanding of a pastor.

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A pastor is supposed to be a cowboy, supposed to
be able to kill wolves and protect sheep. And the
problem we have today they're not fighting wolves and as
a result, they're really not loving sheep. And so, you know,
the whole cultural phenomenon of the West and Western nostalgia
and Yellowstone people watching that. Ultimately what they are thinking

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is this is what leadership should be like. It should
be more like a cowboy. And so I think part
of the new wine that is going to form a
new wine skin will include pastors who are not just
guys who feel comfortable holding sheep and walking around singing songs,
but they're cowboys that also know how to defend and
protect and when a wolf shows up, are not afraid to.

Speaker 6 (01:22:55):
Put him downe. Charlie was a cowboy.

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
He was a cowboy.

Speaker 17 (01:22:58):
Charlie Kirk was a cowboy and he moved Arizona and
he fit really well because it's still a cowboy town.

Speaker 16 (01:23:04):
Well, and he, you know you're talking about the Old
Testament would use the word shepherd, right. The David was
a shepherd and he was killing lions.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
Yeah, and then when you come after the sheep, he.

Speaker 6 (01:23:17):
Was carrying bags of enemies foreskins around on his belt.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. He was a dude, And I think
that's what you're getting at, right.

Speaker 17 (01:23:27):
This is like this to talk more masculine fortitude in leadership.

Speaker 16 (01:23:33):
And I remember when you, when I was sitting listening
to your preaching, you talk about that there was, Yeah,
there was this this thing that you would say, you know,
we have this idea of Jesus being this spandex wearing
fairy princess that just you know, is singing these beautiful
hymns in the clouds.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
It's like, no, he's look at revelation.

Speaker 16 (01:23:49):
He's wielding a flaming sword, you know, and he's he's
coming to destroy the enemy and to protect his people.

Speaker 17 (01:23:55):
Yes, yes, that's the storyline of the Bible. And so
for the church, fear is contagious and so is courage.
And that's what you saw with Charlie. If Charlie had
manifested fear, nobody would have showed up for his funeral
because he manifested courage. There's an entire generation saying, I
choose faith, not fear, Church, I choose courage not cowardice.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Here, let's play this clip.

Speaker 16 (01:24:17):
This is Charlie with George Jenco who's also in the
local area. Oh one second, we almost got it loaded, okay,
and when we do, it's going.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
To be real good.

Speaker 6 (01:24:26):
I prove it for good.

Speaker 16 (01:24:28):
Our studio is like hold it, this is yeah, it's loaded.
This let's go ahead and play cut thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
These moments where you're fighting for your country and you're
getting these threats, does it alarm and concern you for
your children? I mean yes and no.

Speaker 13 (01:24:40):
I mean my wife is the best person ever, and
she's a patriot, and she's a believer, and we don't
want to have to be accountable to God when this
life passes and he asks, why did you not trust
in me and not fight evil? Because we as Christians
are called the fight evil. It's one of the less
lesser known scriptures Salm ninety seven to ten. For those
of you that love God, you must hate evil.

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
Mm hmm. Pastor Charlie there it is.

Speaker 16 (01:25:02):
Well, it's funny because Cowboy Pastor spoken so many churches,
like so many churches in the last few years, and
he was always very.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
Clear like I'm not a pastor. I'm not a pastor.
You know. He he was like, you know, didn't want
the lake.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
He was a pastor.

Speaker 16 (01:25:16):
He was an well yeah, and and you know that
was all him. I remember when he was starting it.
I was like, Okay, Charlie, have you have you met
any there? The church can be worse than politics, Like
it's brutal out there.

Speaker 6 (01:25:28):
He talked about he was told early on not to
combine the two, and then somehow either on his own
as your mentor, and he's like, no, no, we have
to connect these two or won't be faithful.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
No, exactly.

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Speaker 6 (01:28:36):
Nail it bro just third time to charm.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
That's just becoming a gag.

Speaker 16 (01:28:39):
It's becoming a bit so guys, you have so I
guess I'm gonna throw it to you. Pastor Josh, you're
at admonition, your exhortation, your encouragement for pastors you've got
you've kind of got it systematized.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
So you've got a six point list.

Speaker 6 (01:28:53):
Well, I appreciate the Book of Acts and just encouragement.
Every pastor should preach verse by verse to the Book
of Acts. You'll see profound patterns that apply to this moment.
Talking pastures all across the country. I think there's reason
to be encouraged we are seeing I would call it
like three point oh church planner, one point oh two
point zero, three point oh church paneer. They're bold, they're courageous,
they're differentiated. They're not calculate. They're not running the human

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calculus of how this is going to cost me politically,
or will the board throw me out, will a big
donor leave. They're just fearless for Jesus sake, and they're
seeing their churches explode. Two three, four, five years in
there's five thousand and six thousand, seven thousand people. There
are numbers I've never seen in my lifetime. So just
to encourage people listening, God is moving and working and
there's a remarkable crop of leaders coming up who are differentiated,

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fearless leaders. But here's what I've seen. There's three There's
three kind of categories of pastors. There's the confused pastor
who's calling me on Saturday? Are you going to talk
about Charlie or not? I don't know what to do,
And I'm not necessarily nefarious or cowardice. They're just unclear, right,
And so I want to speak to those. There's there's
the cowards who know what they should say but have
run the human calculus of what it might cost them
and chose not to. Then you have the captured they're

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just playing for the other team. It's the fourth patrick,
the courageous that I believe see the anointing of God
and the move of God in this generation. That's who
Charlie was. And so this sixfold grade of a pastor's
ask him what to do? This is what I tell
him to do. We got time for this. Yeah, you
can hit it right. Number one, set forth the truth plainly.
We see. Paul said, I preached to both Jews and
Greeks repent. Charlie was brilliant at this. He had an

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ability like nobody I've ever seen to set forth the
truth in a plain and understandable way. Number Two, demonstrate
the spirit's power, Paul said, we we came not with
wise and persuasive words. Here's the thing, was Charlie wise?
Was he persuasive?

Speaker 4 (01:30:36):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:30:36):
But why was he so effective? Because he was working
with the power of the spirit. He wasn't just there
using man's arguments. You know. Jesus said, hey, don't worry
about what you're going to say, and to go before
principals and powers. I'll be there with you. That was
literally Charlie's life, no notes, no ai in front of
thousands of people on a microphone, right. I think he
was a walking demonstration of the spirit's power. Oftentimes, the
Holy Spirit's the most uninvited guests in our church. We

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have to holies, we have to plant, preach, grow churches
that God wants to be at churches for God, not
for man. Charlie would say that often. Third, boldly proclaimed
the truth. Paul said, I have not hesitated, and many
pastors hesitate. Should I would I stop running the man
calculus of the cost that it's going to require of

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you and boldly proclaim the truth. Whatever the cost, because
here's the cost that you should run. Will I say
something or not say something that could cost me the
anointing of God. That's what matters, not who leaves or
who stays, or who tweets about you, but what God
thinks about you. And if that's the grid through which
you run the decisions that you make, you'll please the

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Lord and he'll bless you. Number four Live not by lives.
Eric Mattaxus talks about the spiral of silence. The less
people speak up, the higher the cost for those who do.
We saw that with Charlie. Start speaking up, refuse to
pretend that boys can be girls and men can lactate it.
It's like, do not live lies in silence in this

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culture is perpetuating the lies. So we have to speak
up about the lies. If if if you're on the wall,
it's being attacked and you're not at the at the
point of the breach, you're not being faithful. Number number
five you got to enjoy the King. Charlie did this
so well, set forth a clear and compelling vision of
the beauty of following King Jesus, which means don't stop

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laughing and loving while you're making war. Okay, we're to
be laughing, happy. And Charlie embodied that so well. He
wasn't angry, he wasn't brooding, he wasn't shadowing. I mean
he he was. He was strong. He was strong and
happy and that comes from Erica and his children. And lastly,
we got to fight downhill and this will be my courage.
Meant stop seating the home field advantage, right, And I

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think this might look like if an institution is corrupt,
we might need to step back from those corupt institutions
and start building new ones and better ones like people drowning.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
The ones that are doing the right thing. That's exactly
right that and we.

Speaker 16 (01:33:00):
Should make that available to every of that list. In
the minute I have remaining, I want to honor you,
Pastor Mark.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Charlie loved this book.

Speaker 16 (01:33:07):
This is called Doctrine, and it was when he was
asked a couple weeks before he mentioned this book that
this is one of the books that was really impacting him.
And it's by you, Pastor Mark, and Garba Shears, and
you generously have offered it free to this audience. So
I want to make sure we have this on the
lower text. Doctrine to nine nine three eight three. Please

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put that on the There you go text Doctrine to
nine nine three eight three.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
You'll get a free copy of it PDF.

Speaker 16 (01:33:37):
You'll get teaching sermons and all, you know, all these
other resources totally free, no string suggestion, Bible teaching, just
Bible teaching. And here's the thing, guys, you can also
go to Charliekirk dot com. We're going to put it
up for download there. And I asked if there was
some way we could help you, and you just refused,
and I just want to bless you and.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
Honor you for that.

Speaker 16 (01:33:53):
We don't want anything yees to help no, And it's
just a really sweet gesture. And it's it's been my
honor to host both of you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 6 (01:33:59):
Thank you, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
We'll see tomorrow, everybody with Steve days until then,