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In this episode they dive into critical issues shaking the nation. The Patriettes kick off with the “No Kings” protests, reflecting on Flag Day, President Trump’s birthday, and the U.S. Army’s 250th anniversary. They unpack the latest Newsday cover story on growing vaccine skepticism among Long Island parents and discuss RFK Jr.’s bold move to fire all 17 CDC Vaccine Advisory Committee members, replacing them with eight experts committed to “gold-standard” science. They cover the Religious Liberty Commission’s inaugural meeting at the Museum of the Bible, exploring its mission to protect religious freedoms for all Americans. Their special guest, Barbara Loe Fisher, co-founder and president of the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), joins in to discuss the fight for informed consent and the dangers of a proposed Presidential EO that could threaten religious exemptions and state authority over public health laws. Barbara shares her personal story and warns against federal overreach that risks individual liberties. The ladies wrap up with a powerful reminder that America is a constitutional republic, not a democracy, emphasizing the protection of God-given rights over majority rule. The Patriettes give a sneak peek of MAHA GOLD - an all-natural Tallow Balm made by Free Minds Thrive! Tune in next Tuesday for a segment on this incredible tried and true product! These powerhouse ladies bring you a thought-provoking discussion on faith, freedom, and the future of our nation! Catch us on iHeart Radio and Spotify on Real America’s Voice every Wednesday at 9 PM, and follow us on social media @ThePatriettesPodcast. Keep your faith strong, your family close, and your freedom alive!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good evening, and welcome to tune in Tuesday. It is
season two, episode twenty four of The Patriots Podcast, coming
to you live every Tuesday night from the America First
Warehouse right here on Long Island in New York. We're
so happy to be back this Tuesday. The days go fast,
but I'd rather I'd like to be here more often
with you ladies. We love doing this and we love
(00:22):
our audience, right.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
And there's always so much to talk about.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
We can't jam it all in, and I want to
be able to talk about everything.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
I know it.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
One hour show goes way too fast, way too fast,
we do.
Speaker 5 (00:35):
I'll tell you this, Even a two hour radio show
was really fast.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Yeah, you were right the way.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Thank you, Thank you. A shout out to Kevin. I
didn't put any assets in so. Kevin Downey Junior, the comedian,
our good friend. We love him. I was on with
him yesterday and he will be on soon.
Speaker 6 (00:49):
I know.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I keep saying that you were on his radio show.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
One three point nine l I News Radio. He's a
huge Patriot. He's on Life from SUO six B and uh.
He's a journal he's just an all around great.
Speaker 7 (01:01):
Guy and he's hysterically funny.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
And you know, I'm going to say, Kevin, if you
watch it, I'm sorry, but you said it on Area yesterday.
I almost fell out of my chair. He is fifty
nine years old.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Get wow, he looks great.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
I could I almost fell over. I was like, thank
god we weren't on live camera because I.
Speaker 7 (01:14):
Probably was like, what, yeah, he's great.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, if you live on Long Island or in New
York or anywhere in the country, you should have been
aware of some big things happening.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
This past weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
There was the No King's protest in a two thousand
cities nationwide and several here on Long Island and across
the state of New York. It was really unbelievable. The
misinformation continues. I mean they were saying that, you know, oh,
Trump is spending millions of dollars to celebrate his birthday. So,
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first of all, it was in the works for years.
This was to celebrate Flag Day, our military, two hundred
and fiftieth anniversary of.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Our military, of our army.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So it just happens to be that the forty fifth
and forty seven, the president has a birthday on that day.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
It is what it is.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Doge found.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
Oh I know, how dare you.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
The waste the waste, But we we did have a
cover from news Day, So for anyone local on Long Island,
that's our If you're not from Long Island, that's our
local newspaper here.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
But that was cut too.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
If we could pull cut two up and they're woke, yeah,
oh sorry, I'm on the wrong one.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
That's okay's cut one, cut one.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So actually, guys, bring down cut one a minute. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I know we skipped a little bit, but because I
think anyone who was looking at what was going on
at these No Kings rallies not only on just Long Island,
but all over the country. If you notice, besides the
inner city No Kings protests, everywhere in like a rural area,
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suburban suburban area rather was all old white liberal women.
Like there was it was a majority of old white
liberal and and then you looked at, like, you know,
stuff going on in the inner cities and that those
are paid protesters.
Speaker 7 (03:10):
Those were the precursors. Androbles.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, but it was funny to me because you have
all these people going out, you know, they they're the
people that always call us the racist ones. And you
look at these rallies and it's like I said, it's
all old white women. And then we had a Patriot
party that night and I looked around and I was like,
this is the most diverse group of peoples.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
It was.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
It was young, it was it.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Was Asian, there was black, there was white, there was everything, old, young,
it was. That's that's what we welcome here.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
So I did.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I did put a little clip together, this brilliant one.
If you guys could cueue it up, and then we'll
go to cut too, and we'll talk about other things
going on.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
If you want videos made for you, she's.
Speaker 8 (03:59):
For you.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Make a marda gray because there God said, trusts, God bless.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
The USA, the United Estates.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Everybody was in.
Speaker 8 (04:17):
The visible.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Justine for a fifty great states.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
And that's how happy patriots are, like just happy, celebrating
all the time. And that's why when you know, as
as a Patriot group leader, and everyone was calling us
last week and saying are you going to count for
they were emailing here, Are we going to go counter?
I said, absolutely not. I told the Patriots to stand down.
I thought myself, my own opinion. I think I thought
it was a set up, like a Jay six setup.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And I told you saw that it was all geriatrica seriously,
which was in the suburban areas.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
But I said, we're going to be celebrating Donald Trump
and Flagg Day and the two and fiftieth birthday of
the Army at the most page dratic venue in the planet.
I am not even giving credence. I didn't want anything
to do with that nonsense.
Speaker 8 (05:03):
I felt the same way I love wrong De Santa
sen and Florida.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
We're just giving me.
Speaker 8 (05:08):
He was telling people, if you feel like you're in
danger in your car, you.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Run over him over that sheriff. I want to get
him on our podcast, the one who basically said, if
you hurd the cops, you're going in and you know,
you go in to them mambulance and you're going to jail.
Or we'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Going to the hospital and then you're going to go
to jail.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Or if you really heard a cop.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
I love what he said. The big beautiful dogs will
stiff them. And he said, you know then you will
be calling your family to pick up your remains.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, well, we don't have that luxury.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
No, but now.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I would hope to have it eventually.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, we didn't want to spend too much time on
this because we have a very important episode tonight covering
a lot of the news that are going on, and Donna,
I'll hand it back to you.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah, I'm so excited. I'm skipping ahead. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well, I mean we are going to get into some
of the vaccine and medical freedom and legislation stuff tonight
because it is always a foundational issue religious and freedoms
that give us all our other freedoms in this country.
But surrounding that locally, Newsday did and cut to if
we can pull that up, please, now we can pull
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it up. Newsday had a big fun cover page saying
parents book pushback on vaccines. And there's a lot of
controversy because since COVID there's always been a culture of
people and parents who didn't vaccinate. Since COVID, most people
have started questioning everything that they're told rightfully, So yeah,
(06:36):
I mean anymore.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
Yeah, then I don't even like to go to the
doctor now neither. I don't know, I just don't. I
just don't want I have to.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
I have to, but well it's hard to it's hard.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It's you want to feel like you can trust who
is taking care of you, because if you don't have
a healthy body, you can't really do much more with
your life, right, It's hard to do if you don't
if you don't have health. So that's like a foundational
piece of freedom, having health and having a trusted healthcare system.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
And our system has been so broken for so many years.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
As a nurse, it's been broken for decades, and I
watched it get worse and worse and worse. So parents
have every right to question when they started telling us
I was in the nickew and maternal child's health. When
they started telling us, you know, newborn babies had to
have hepatitis B no matter you know who they were
born to, what circumstances they were born under, you have
to start raising some serious eyebrows. Absolutely, So I love
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that this is a front cover of Newsday.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Well, yeah, I think there's a lot of talk right
now in the news about vaccines because of what took
place last week. We didn't have Unfortunately, we didn't touch
on it last week. I think it happened actually the
Monday before our Tuesday night podcast. But if anyone was
paying attention last week, RFK Junior fired all seventeen CDC
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Vaccine Advisory Committee members, and apparently he recently appointed I
want to say, eight experts.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
Uh yeah, seventeen. That's a good number.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Seventeen number.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Someone sent me a thing today this said happy seventeen
with a big que.
Speaker 7 (08:09):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I'm just saying, well, that was an epic move.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
Yeah right.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I mean also not to always go back during COVID,
but I think COVID times showed the public a lot
about because people started really waking up and getting involved
and showing up at hearings. And so you would watch
the CDC, you would watch the FDA, you would listen
to all these hearings and public health hearings and see
how ridiculous the process was. Didn't matter what kind of
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evidence is put forward. Everyone had their minds made up beforehand.
And there's a reason for that. There's a good reason
for that. It's because they've been bought and sold. So
I love, love, love, love that he has refreshed that
entire agency.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Yes, imagine when Fauci had the audacity not too long ago,
to say, we just made up the six feet, we
just made that. I'm like, I want to go through
the TV. Oh, I know, we just made that up down.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
The lies that man. Yeah, you know that came out
of his mouth.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Do you want to read the post? I put a
little clip in there.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I didn't put the entire post in there, but yeah,
post that RFK Junior put on X.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Absolutely, RFK said, I retired the seventeen current members of
the committee. I'm now repopulating a SIP with the eight
new members who will attend ASIP's scheduled June on the
twenty fifth scheduled June twenty fifth meeting. The slate includes
highly credentialed scientists, leading public health experts, some of America's
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most accomplished physicians. All of these individuals are committed to
evidence based medicine, gold standard science, and common sense. So
there's a list of the new members. Joseph Hibbelin, Martin Cauldorf,
Retzef Levy Or Levi, Robert Malone, Cody Meisner, James Pagano,
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Vicky Pebsworth, and Michael Ross. I mean, these are noteworthy
people with incredible experience and a lot of TENAC.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
So it's exciting.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
Yeah, it is forward to hearing.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
And the boys just had Robert Malone on their podcast,
A few minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I don't know if you guys watch.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
It was great, yep'd from our website. Absolutely, and I
think they're going to try to get them on our
show too.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So these are these are exciting times. This is what
we voted for. These are these are the changes that
are so desperately needed and what we're looking for. So
when we come back, we only have a few more minutes.
We're going to talk a little bit about the Religious
Liberty Commission, and we have a Barbara low Fisher. She
is the co founder and CEO of n v i
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C n v i C dot org. She is the
original gangster mom. She's a mama bear. She's down in Florida,
but she's the original with vaccine safety and really sounding
the alarm. So we're looking forward to having her on
when we come back from commercial break in just a
few seconds.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
Thank you, so got a minute ago.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I thought he said it. I thought he said it too.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Oh my god, this.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Is it's all right that this is what happens when
you have a live show every now and then.
Speaker 8 (11:11):
I actually listened. But the clip that we had with
Barbara I had listened to. It's like a forty minute
long you know video that she did where she described
you know, in detail. It was it really caught my attention.
Speaker 7 (11:25):
It was very good.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Which one she described in detail, what.
Speaker 8 (11:27):
Of everything that's going on with the with the lawsuit,
the original lawsuit case that was the Supreme Court lawsuit
back in like a century ago, you know, and where
where it puts us now.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
So it was very interesting.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Oh so I do look forward to Before we go
to break, I just want to say we have our
good new friend Bobby here from Freeminds Thrive in the
audience to night watching us, and we're going to bring
him on next week.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And we're going to talk about his amazing product.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
Oh this day Maha gold it is.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
We'll come back to that at the end of the show,
but that is.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
I want to say, awesome.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
It's a rough, amazing, stupendous.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
But we'll see you after commercial break. Thanks guys, welcome
back to the Patriots Podcast. We're so excited to have
Barbara low Fisher with us tonight. She is the co
founder and president of the National Vaccine Information Center known
as NVIC dot org. Barbara, welcome to our podcast and
thank you so much for being with us tonight.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
Well, thank you for inviting me. I love your show.
It's like the Patriot Women's answer to the view.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Yes, we love when we hear that.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, that's that's ABC.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
We'll take it.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
We're coming to their jobs.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
We're coming for you, ladies.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Barbara, you are an original, the original o g Yeah,
the og uh Mama Bear, fighter for vaccine information awareness
and shouting out from the rooftops. And we'd love to
hear a little bit about your background. And we know
there's a lot going on that we want to get
to tonight, but for our audience who may not know,
please tell us a little bit about you, your organization,
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and what led you here.
Speaker 9 (12:58):
Right Well, it was what happened to my son in
the fall of nineteen eighty. He is my firstborn child,
and I knew nothing about vaccines. American's parents knew nothing
about vaccines. We certainly didn't know that vaccines had the
ability to cause edgy and death. And so, to make
a long story short, I took him in for his
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fourth shot because it was a requirement for me to
put him in a mother's day out program so he
could socialize the other kids, and within four hours I
watched him suffer a severe reaction that I didn't know
what I was witnessing, a convulsion, a collapse shock also
known as a hypotonic hyper responsive episode, and a state
of unconsciousness for hours that I didn't understand, involving brain
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inflammation and encephalopathy that basically left him with multipler disabilities
and add so severe he had to be put into
a special education classroom for his entire twelve year education.
So he was diagnosed with minimal brain damage. He was
a very precocious child as a baby, and so you know,
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I didn't know what had happened to him until I
saw the documentary the I mean when he winning a
documentary DBT Vaccine Roulette in the spring of nineteen eighty.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Two, I called the station and I joined with other.
Speaker 9 (14:17):
Parents in the DC area who had also had children
who reacted to that vaccine. And what we did was
we launched the vaccine Safety and Informed Consent movement in
this country. So this movement is the forty three year
old movement, going from people not understanding at all anything
about vaccines to the public awareness that we had today.
(14:39):
It's sort of a remarkable story of how if you
commit to educating people. Our mission is to prevent vaccine injuries,
the dusk republic education, and to defend the ethical principle
of informed consent to medical risk taking, which includes vaccine
risk taking.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
This is a liberty issue. It is a case remote
to me.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
The most important right is the right to autonomy, the
right to self determination, the right to protect bodley integrity,
the right to exercise and form consent to medical risk taking.
Because you know, if you can't, you weren't free to
decide what you put in your body or the body
of your child.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
You're not really free.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Right Amen, that's right. Amen.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Well, so in nineteen eighty five you helped co author
A Shot in the Dark, which then went onto film.
Speaker 9 (15:31):
Correct, I didn't go to film, but you know, I'm
in the process of updating that book. And it never
was published in digital form, and because they held it hostage,
the publisher held eventually it was sold, etc. And it
was held hostage because it didn't want it out in
digital form. This was a shot across the bow in
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nineteen eighty five to public health. No one had ever
done a documented book and shall the mandatory mass vaccination system.
And that's you know, The topic today is really about
what's happening right now is that we have four states
that have lost the religious exemption to vaccination because those
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state legislatures voted to repeal it. Forty six states have
a religious exemption and or conscientious belief exemption that's in
addition to a medical exemption. The situation in the United States,
our founders left us with a beautiful system of government,
decentralized system. We're a representative constitutional republic, not a pure democracy.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
That's right, yes, say it louder.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
We have rights in our country.
Speaker 9 (16:47):
The right of the individual and minorities is what puts
limits on the tyranny. It could be the tyranny of
the federal government. What did they do structurally? They created
states states rights. There's a balance of power between the
state and the federal government. It's enunciated in the tenth
Amendment of the Constitution, the separation of Powers. It's a
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beautiful structure because we in our country, we were able
to actually stop the COVID vaccine mandate that President Biden
had put in place. That could have if we had
been in a peer democracy with a strong centralized federal government,
we could have all been under the situation like Australia
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some of the other countries where everyone had to get
that COVID biological.
Speaker 7 (17:38):
That was the plan, right.
Speaker 9 (17:41):
It was, And the CBC added the COVID shot to
the CDC's Childhood Recommended Schedule vaccination schedule.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
All fifty states.
Speaker 9 (17:50):
Rejected rejected that COVID federal COVID mandate for school children because.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Vac scene laws are state law.
Speaker 9 (18:00):
Anything not a given articulate is a power for the
federal government in the US Constitution is reserved for the
states in the tenth Amendment.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
What are we talking about right now?
Speaker 9 (18:12):
There is a proposal by very well meeting people, attorneys
and advocates who want to involve the federal government in
giving back the religious exemption to the four states that
have lost it California, New York, Connecticut.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
And Maine.
Speaker 9 (18:31):
Those state legislatures have not done the right thing like
the other forty six states have. So what they want
is the President of the United States, President Trump, to
issue an executive order and also they want federal legislation.
They want the US Attorney General to also force those
states to give them a religious exemption. Why don't we
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think it's a good idea. I've been working on this
for four decades and in a shot that I articulated
the Jacobson Versus Massachusetts decision nineteen oh five Supreme Court decision.
It has been called the most important judicial decision in
the history of public health. Why it was a utilitarian decision.
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It was the pseudo ethic of utilitarianism, which is basically
the greatest happiness for the greatest number of people, that
allows people to be thrown under the bus for the
greater good is the heart and soul of Jacobson. And
what the Supreme Court said was that the state has
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the right to protect the public health even if it
means violating the personal beliefs of an individual, which would
include religious beliefs. It was a utilitarian decision, and it
has been upheld in court, state and federal for.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
One hundred and twenty years.
Speaker 9 (20:00):
Most of the time that case has been used to
deny religious exemption to vaccination.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
We do not want it right now.
Speaker 9 (20:10):
Our position is, you don't challenge Jacobson versus Massachusetts. You
don't do anything to get the federal government involved that
could trigger a rocket docket putting a religious exemption case
in front of the Supreme Court where Jacobson could be
reaffirmed or even strengthened in the twenty first century. Because
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the fact is that states are beginning, they're becoming very
aware of this issue. We are getting legislation passed in
the States and proposed in the States. In the last
four years, more good vaccine related bills than bad vaccine
bills are being proposed and passed in the States. To
put limits on vaccine mandates, to protect vaccine exemptions, to
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do things like declaring that the who has no sovereignty
in a state when the WHO declares a pandemic, that
they that those residents of those states have to obey
what the World Health Organization says. We're getting labeling bills
path that proposed, working on getting them passed, that would
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label m R and A vaccines, that would label foods
that use m R and A technology. I mean, there
are some incredible things going on in the States. We
want to keep public health policy making in the States.
We don't want to open the door to the federal
government to come in and overwrite state states rights in
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public health policy making. And so that is why we're
asking people to go to NVIC dot org look at
the letter and addendum that we've written to the Religious
Liberty Commission that is taking a look at religious freedom
in this country. We feel that it's very a big
gamble to try to try to do anything that would
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potentially get that Jacobson versus Massachusetts decision.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Re examined in the Supreme Court. We don't think that
we have the votes.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
We were talking before, We were saying how it's a
slippery slope.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
It's a very slippery slope that we don't want to
go down. We live in New York and we have
to deal with it here.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
But the fact that the entire country would have to
be succumbed to deal with this, it's it's you know,
it's insane.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
It's insane.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Yeah, And to undermine the work that so many people
are doing.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Is I don't know the answer to this, So I'm
going to ask. So right now, the cards are in
our favor right because we have President Trump, But is
it a slippery slope because we don't know who the
commander in chief will be in the next four years.
And then further down the rock, further down the line,
and then the Supreme Court gets involved again. That's why
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it becomes a slippery slope. Right now, we're okay, you know,
we're holding the card sort of speak. But in four
years from now, we don't know, right, So to have
the federal government come in, yeah, understand.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
You've nailed it.
Speaker 9 (23:12):
Okay, the executive order could be repealed by the next president,
So I understand, and my heart goes out to the
families in those four states that don't do that.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
Right.
Speaker 9 (23:23):
The legislature was wrong to do that. But the permanent
solution is not to put a band aid on it
and try to do a workaround with an executive order
or try to pass federal legislation, or try to get
the US Attorney involved, because you could, like I say,
you don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Once you open that.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
So the answer really is to get down and dirty
in your state and do the hard work. Otherwise you
might be screwing it up for everyone else. So we'll
talk more about that when we come back from our
commercial break with Barbara Fisher. Thanks for watching in State
with us. We'll be right back. Welcome back to the
Patriots Podcast. We're in segment three. We have Barbara low Fisher.
If you're just joining she's from the National Vaccine Information
(24:10):
Center co founder and president, Barbara. We're happy that you've
stayed with us through this break. Before we left, we
heard from you about you know, why it's so important
that we keep the states with the ultimate control over
what they do and how they protect or not in
some cases like the four cases in New York.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yeah, four states out of all fifty states, you got
four states that can't get on board with Yeah, religious
freedom right.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Yes, but how on them?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah, but the importance of keeping that relegated to the
states and not doing the sweeping executive order. But we
did want to talk to you a little bit also
about the Religious Liberty Commission that was put into place
by President Trump in May. And you know their role
and how do you see if you have any thoughts
or opinions about how you see their role helping hurting,
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you know, and any words of caution regarding that with
what we face here today with religious freedom and then
of course how that impacts medical freedom and bodily autonomy
and sovereignty.
Speaker 9 (25:15):
Well, the Religious Liberty Commissions mandate is to look at
threats to religious liberty in our country and to make
recommendations on how that can be remedied. And one of
the issues is in the area of public health, although
it's not really a main emphasis, but the reason that
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we wrote a letter was that this other letter had
gone out urging this present this executive order, and we
and federal action, and we have been working so hard
in the states to make these permanent changes in the
state public health laws that include vaccine laws, because, as
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I said, vaccine laws are state laws according to the
Tenth Amendment and the separation of powers between the state
and federal government.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
And we're very concerned about.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
The federal government because we know overreach is very quickly
becomes the policy whenever you get the federal government involved.
So we are urging the Religious Liberty Commission to refrain
from recommending to President Trump that there be an executive
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order or that there be federal intervention into state public
health law.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
And I think, so, how can listeners and viewers get
involved and help support that effort?
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Yes? On mbiic dot org. I just I think what
have you mentioned before?
Speaker 9 (26:45):
I have done a forty minute commentary that details what
Jacobs and versus Massachusetts was about and why it underpins
all public health policy making. It is the anchor for
public health policy making one hundred and twenty years, so
it will educate you about why this is so important
to stop. We have the letter that we've written to
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the Religious Liberty Commission on MBIC dot org and the
addendum that specifically addresses the executive order, and we urge
you to share this information with your family and friends,
your legislators at the federal and state level, to thought
leaders in your community so people can really understand that
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they need to get involved. We have an MVIC Averagey
portal at MVIC Advocacy dot org. That portal has been
in operation since twenty ten. It has been the organizing
tool in the States, and you are able to go
in there.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
It's free, and you're able with one.
Speaker 9 (27:45):
Clique to get in touch with your elected representatives and
make your voice heard. You'll have all of their contact
information one clique and will be also post positions on.
I think there was over six hundred MAXIM related laws
being proposed in the States that we covered and took
positions on, and we have a two to three ratio
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now of good vaccine related bills compared to that bad
vaccine deplanted bills. It works if we all get involved,
we can protect our freedom and are ultimateal.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
There should be no vaccine mandates.
Speaker 9 (28:21):
Absolutely, we shouldn't have to take anyone for an exemption,
a religious exemption, a medical exemption, which almost nothing.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
Qualifies as a medical exemption. We shouldn't have to do that.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
We should have the right to have full information make
a voluntary decision about any medical intervention that carries the
risk of injuria death.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Yeah, well we certainly certainly agree with that.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
So with the states and some of the work that
different people in your organization has helped put forward. With
all of this access and information, you know, are what
are people doing in their states to help move things
along and put forward these great bills, Like are they
getting codified into the constitutions and state?
Speaker 4 (29:00):
How is it working?
Speaker 6 (29:02):
No?
Speaker 9 (29:02):
It Basically what happens is this is an educational process.
This is this is changing public opinion, and it's it's
educating legislators one on one, developing personal relationships with thought leaders.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
And with particularly with legislators.
Speaker 9 (29:19):
That's how we've gotten vaccine legislation passed in the states.
So it's it's legislation, it's bills that we get passed
and then they become the.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Law of the state. We're working on bills right now.
Speaker 9 (29:33):
We're trying to protect vaccine exemptions and are doing a
very good job of it. But our ultimate goal is
to uh to take down these vaccine mandates that have
been so oppressively implemented in this country. You know, in
some states religious belief exemption you have to belong to
a church and as a tenant opposing vaccination. Well, vaccination
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was not developed until after the.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Bible, after all, making religions were formed.
Speaker 9 (30:02):
So there's a lot of work to be done in
terms of educating our public about why this is so
important to protect bodily integrity, have the right to protect
body integrity and autonomy and make these informed decisions about vaccination.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
So what is the journey from VIC on your work
been since COVID. I would imagine this was a big
pull vaulted you in some sense just because there was
such a greater awareness. But I'd be curious to hear
from you what that journey's been since.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
The opposite happened.
Speaker 9 (30:33):
What happened was we had a target on our back
where the oldest organization that has been doing this work,
and they took us out first on the internet. All
my commentaries for fifteen years taken off of YouTube. We
were taken off all for major social media platforms so
nobody could get our information. The only one is put
(30:54):
us back on is X when Elon Musk purchased X.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
Thank you wish our right to speak on X.
Speaker 9 (31:02):
But we are Lifetime band on YouTube, Facebook and Instagram.
Censorship is still alive. And well, we're on a blacklist,
the government's blacklist. And unfortunately, even with President Trump in power,
we have not been taken off that blacklist.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
You are I had a Lifeloe band.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
Yeah, how about how about Rumble Truth Social.
Speaker 9 (31:23):
We are on Rumble. Those are the B tier platforms.
We're on mee wee, We're on gab, but we're not
on the major social media platforms is where everybody goes right, right?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I mean it's remarkable because I know you were on
major network news decades ago, speaking very openly and very
easily about these things.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Isn't that right?
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Right?
Speaker 9 (31:44):
I In nineteen ninety seven, I debated Neil Halsey from
Johns Hopkins. For the first time, I articulated the informed
consent ethic when pertaining to vaccination. No one had ever
done that. I also I also brought up the chronic
seas and disability epidemic and said a question whether all
these vaccines were giving our children were setting them up
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for chritic disease later in life.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
That was nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
Wow, oh bless you.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I have a question.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
So I just want to go back to the Religious
Liberty Commission. I know yesterday they held their first meeting
at the Museum of the of the Bible in Washington,
and when I looked into it, it looked like the
whole premise of that meeting was to go back into
I guess the first day of the meeting was to
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go back to our history of the founding of our
founding fathers and how they founded this country, and it
was because they were escaping religious persecution. So when I
looked at also the players that President Trump has on
this committee, besides like Ben Carson, Franklin Graham, I know,
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there's a reverend, you know, people that represent different religions,
and there's also an expert on the US Constitution who
has argued before the Supreme Court before and who heads
the First Liberty Institute, as well as a top appellate lawyer.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I don't know if this is a silly.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Question, but is there a way for them to put
into federal law that it can't be undone, It can't
even go to the Supreme Court for them for them
to overturn, Like do you think that that's where they're
headed with this religious.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Liberty commissions?
Speaker 9 (33:32):
Remember they are the tenth Amendment that assigns powers to
have assigned powers to the under government versus the states.
Because we have splie form of government. This would to
try to do a federal vaccine law in effect, I
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think it's going to be very very difficult.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
For example, after.
Speaker 9 (33:56):
Nine to one one when the Mile Stay held, the
Bertsy Powers Act was proposed by well Lawrence Gossen at
Georgetown University was paid by the CDC to develop this.
They had to go state by state in order to
expand the public health emergency powers at the state level.
So I think it would be very difficult for there
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to be a federal law that would govern public health
policy making.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
That you are to put into the constitution. I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (34:28):
The constitution. Well, I would love to see an informed
consentment and then constitution that wasn't just address or vous liberty,
but would address this whole issue of freedom, the freedom
to to have dominion over what you put in your body,
or we shouldn't have to obey the dictates of physicians
(34:52):
or anybody sitting in the federal government, a public health official,
or anyone.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
Who tells religious or medical or for whatever reason.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Yeah, right, it's medical rate. And I mean we've seen
I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
You know, people got very offended during COVID when some
people were talking about, you know, making similarities to Nazi
Germany and.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
The forest medical right.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
And the truth is the Nuremberg Code should have taken
care of this internationally. But how did we land back
here again? It's crimes against humanity.
Speaker 9 (35:27):
No, it's really interesting you bring that up because Jacobs
and versus Massachusetts, this utilitarian ruling was actually used in
Buck versus Bell nineteen twenty seven. Oliver Wendell Holmes, one
of the probably the most famous Supreme Court jurists in history,
was on the court when Jacobs and versus Massachusetts was articulated.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
I believe he was the one that authored it.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (35:51):
He was on the court in nineteen twenty seven and
Buck versus Bill, which was a case of a young.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Woman in Virginia.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Barbara, I'm sorry, we have to go to commercial break,
so can we come and come back to that right
after that? Would you stay with us because we'd love
to finish sharing it. Thank you so much. We'll be
right back. Welcome back, everybody to the Patriots Podcast. We
just want to wrap up with Barbara Lowfisher from nviic
dot org. Barbara, could you just I'm sorry we had
to cut you off there for commercial break, but can
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you just wrap up with that importance and the similarity
between what's been going on and COVID and Nazi Germany.
The Nuremberg rode all of it right well.
Speaker 9 (36:33):
I was saying that the Jacobson versus Massachusetts decision that podified.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Into law that the states can force.
Speaker 9 (36:40):
People to get vaccinated to protect the public health was
used in nineteen twenty seven by the Supreme Court and
Buck versus.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
Bell to basically.
Speaker 9 (36:50):
Affirm eugenics and the forced sterilization of people that health
officials decided are a threat to the public health.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
In fact, the statement was made.
Speaker 9 (37:02):
The principle the sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to
cover cut in the filopian tubes, so Hitler actually took
this idea, this eugenics idea that really started in the
United States. Yes, and he took it and he applied
it in the Holocaust. So when you ever use the utility,
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ism is slippery slope and it is the underpinning of
public health lawmaking in this country, which is why the
individual rights are devalued in service to the state. So
I think that we don't want to fool around potentially
in the wrong court at the wrong time, with the
wrong argument challenging Jacobson. And that's my concern is the
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concern of a lot of people that were not quite
ready in the society yet there's not enough of an
education about the risks of failures of vaccines and the
need to back away from that as a centerpiece of
how we protect the society's health.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Well, we thank you so much for coming on with
us tonight and sharing your extreme immense knowledge and highlighting
you know, the real issues underpinning this newest threat that
we have. So we will be a champion to be
pointing people to NVIC dot org to support you your
work and to read and learn and share share that
(38:26):
knowledge and keep passing it on.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Thank you so much, Barbara, It's been a pleasure to
have I.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
Just I want to reach out to you. We're going
to get a commercial for you so our guests, our
viewers can see what you guys are doing and support you.
So we'll stay in touch and we can try to
help get the message out for you more.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
Oh, bless you, thank you, welcome.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
God bless you. Barbara. Have a great night. Thanks agaank
you Bye bye bye bye. She's amazing, isn't she a
wealth of knowledge?
Speaker 7 (38:51):
She is a lot of all.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
So all these organizations that are out there promoting that
or asking rather President Trump to get involved and have
the federal government get involved, they're not realizing that this
is a slippery slope.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Is that is that I think that people I think
a few things. I think that people want a quick
fix and they want to strike while the iron's hot,
which in some cases is a really smart thing to do.
But when you listen to seasoned, veteran, knowledgeable people like
Barbara on these kind of topics, you recognize the danger
in doing that. And this is another an example of
(39:32):
why you know, in any just because it's in your
favor for how you believe it doesn't mean you should
be championing and rallying behind a president, any president to
make massive executive orders that impact and undermine anyone's constitutional right.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
To Trump doesn't want to be the president. That's just
you know, writing what he wants the American people. Were
you the people to step up to take over, fight
right and for and fight for what a constitution? We
have to do our part too.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Absolutely, But it's important for MAGA people to hear this
and MAHA people to hear this. Just because it's a
quick direct shot doesn't mean it's the right shot.
Speaker 8 (40:10):
Do you know when you look at you look at
the Awakening, it didn't happen overnight and it's still going on. Yeah,
it's not completed yet, it's still happening. It's the same thing.
It's the same theory, right.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
I think the problem is, like we said, like as
of right now, the cards are in our hands, so
to speak, but we don't know four years down the road,
eight years down the road, how that will be and
if the Supreme Court will you know.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Take this old how many years old?
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Nineteen oh five lawsuit of what is it Jacobson versus?
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Oh, what we're just talking about.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Massachusetts Jacobson versus Massachusetts and use it to their advantage.
But I think also we wanted to highlight how many
times on this on this platform have we said that
the United States of America is not a democracy. As
much as everyone wants to tell you it's a democracy,
(41:08):
we are. It's not a democracy democracy. We are a
constitutional republic.
Speaker 7 (41:12):
No king.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
And the democracy is a majority vote.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
It's a majority rule. So explain it.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Go ahead, now, Well, how that works in a democracy
is if you have one hundred people and fifty one
of them think one thing, and forty nine of them
think something else, the fifty one rule and trample over
the forty nine.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
And that's not freedom.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
That's not freedom.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
And a constitutional republic, the right of the individual shall
not be trampled upon by the mob, but the majority.
Speaker 8 (41:39):
Anything ever, and one and the one percent still has
every single right that the ninety nine percent correct.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
As long as you are not hurting me, feeling, murdering other, pizza, frauding,
you can't be taking someone else's right to you know, life, liberty,
the pursuit of happiness away.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
In your suit of.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Yours given rights, you have human rights, inalienable, alliable rights.
And again I think they've tried to trick everyone through
throughout how many years now through language, language and democracy.
We're a democracy. No, we're not a democracy. We're a
constitutional republic. So everyone, you start looking into the difference
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between what a democracy is and what a constitutional republic.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Is well, because the real issue is once you really
understand that if when our schools stop teaching civics, you know,
people got lost real fast, and you'll listen to any
voice that you that gets in front of you. So
in the advent of you know, we know there's this
undermining of America that's been going on for decades. They
don't want a free, strong America. And so that you know,
(42:46):
as you see these things happen, you see slowly people
in office, people on for this administration at the the
what's when they get the day that they get sworn
in and the whole gration.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Thank you, the inauguration brain freeze. That's right at the inauguration.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Like when you heard people that were there for this inauguration,
big Trump supporters, big freedom, constitutionalist conservatives there they were
calling us a democracy.
Speaker 7 (43:16):
Am I correct?
Speaker 8 (43:16):
I'm sorry to interrupt, Am I correct in saying that
democracy is not even a word in our constitution.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Right, it's not.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
No, it's okay, mind control to make everybody believe that
if you say it enough times, it's we're democracy. And
it sounds benign. People don't realize that the majority vote
is no good. But it sounds good, right, It sounds
like it's not tyrannical if you do it that way.
Speaker 8 (43:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
So it's so important the education, as Barbara was saying before,
and not just on these issues and topics that we
were discussing with Barbara that are related to health and
freedom and sovereignty, but all topics, everything that.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
You can look at.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
You know, we have to start re educating our youth
and our and our children, and our and our constituents
and the people in office system.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
Because free thrives. Why, that's why.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
But democracy does not equal freedom. Democracy equals slavery.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Yes, it does, it does. It was a pretty boone
on top of it.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
It certainly does.
Speaker 8 (44:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
This episode has gone so quickly, we only have a
few minutes left.
Speaker 8 (44:26):
But it's been very it's been a good one. It's
been a good one. If it doesn't start to open
your eyes and your mind to what goes on, you
need to take another look, because well, it's well made world.
Speaker 7 (44:41):
We're in right now, right.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
And it's well meaning people that sometimes lead us down
a path of destruction. You know, the greatest, the greatest
intentions of all time are if they're not right, they're wrong,
and they don't.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Maybe I'm crazy, but I still have a little bit
of hope in this Religious Liberty Commission, and maybe they
just don't know how the law works.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
Trump Trump doesn't just select people have gasually, they're they're
here to do a job. There's a reason why they're
on that commission. And I think that they're going to
do the right thing. Yeah, doctor Malone put his life
on the road.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
I know they would do the right thing.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
I just don't know if legally, if they can do
the right thing.
Speaker 8 (45:19):
They're a commission though they advise they're not law making.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
But again, four years down the road, there's going to
be another commander in chief who's appointing a new commission.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Right, so it is a stay.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
Tuned Hopefully we'll be able to report back on a
later date. You know on our show that it's in
our favor.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, and just keep educating, keep talking, talk to everyone,
you know, that's it And educate them to the to
the realities of what we're dealing with and the dangers
and where they can get well informed information, accurate information.
Keep fighting, guys, because just because we have everything in
our favor right now, there's so much going on that
we need to stay on top of and keep plugging along,
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especially in states like New York.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
But anyway, do we have any announcements too.
Speaker 5 (46:04):
But we're a little slow right now. Friday Nights Live
from zero six B. Come on down. It's free, it's
a lot of fun, so come join us on Friday.
It's on the website. But we do have Bobby here
from Freeminds Thrive and I'm gonna read something quick. He
is a family man devoted on a mission to help
people take control of their lives and minds by putting health, truth,
and personal freedom first. I love that your health is
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your wealth, and without it, everything else suffers. Good health
is about more than what you put in your body
and mind. And there's there's more, and we're gonna he's
gonna be on next week, but I have to we'll
say really quick.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
I had horrendous like sun poisoning that nothing was working
on and Saturday night here at an event. We had
Bobby here, you know, as a vendor, and Shannon's mom
was like, you have to try this cream, but nothing
was working, and I.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Well, it's beef tallow. Did we say that already? It
is beef tallow.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
And it's with the other matches, beeswax and organic olive oil,
organic beeswax.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
And people this tallow stuff.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
Well, I'm going to tell you something I left here
Saturday night. I look like a snake. My skin was
brown and peeling.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
In my mom I think my mom whatever, she was
like handing him out, and you get a beef tallow
and Angie gets because Angie's.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Got some funky stuff on a hand, and they're much better.
Speaker 5 (47:18):
I wish I did it before and after because it
was incredible. So stay tuned for next week. He'll be
on with us. We'll talk more about it.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
We're going to close out with Donna's beautiful prayer.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
I don't know if we can.
Speaker 5 (47:28):
It was hardless right, I know that's okay.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Heavenly Father, we come before you with grateful hearts. Thank
you for continuing to be with us and for us,
and not yet turning your back on America. We ask
that you continue to give discernment, to know truth, wisdom,
and to know how to approach circumstances with humility, and
to accept whatever it is that you do have for us. Lord,
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Thank you for the many who continue to fight for
goodness and righteousness. Please help us as we seek to
uphold the inherent and inalienable freedom that our country was
founded on, not because of who we are, but because
of who you are and how you created us.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
Lord.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
We know, based on your word, that we are to
be separate from the world, and that you separate the
wheat from the chaff. We ask that you bring a
spirit of unity to your people and cast down any
division that is not of you.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
In Jesus' name, we pray.
Speaker 5 (48:26):
Amen, and as always, keep your faith strong, your family clothes,
and your freedom alive. Thank you for tuning in. Catch
us on Spotify and iHeartRadio tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (48:37):
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York or anywhere in the country, you should have been
aware of some big things happening.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
This past weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
There was the No King's protest in a two thousand
cities nationwide and several here on Long Island and across
the state of New York. It was really unbelievable. The
misinformation continues. I mean they were saying that, you know, oh,
Trump is spending millions of dollars to celebrate his birthday. So,
(01:45):
first of all, it was in the works for years.
This was to celebrate Flag Day, our military, two hundred
and fiftieth anniversary of.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Our military, of our army.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So it just happens to be that the forty fifth
and forty seven, the president has a birthday on that day.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
It is what it is.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Doge found.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
Oh I know, how dare you.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
The waste the waste, But we we did have a
cover from news Day, So for anyone local on Long Island,
that's our If you're not from Long Island, that's our
local newspaper here.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
But that was cut too.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
If we could pull cut two up and they're woke, yeah,
oh sorry, I'm on the wrong one.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
That's okay's cut one, cut one.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So actually, guys, bring down cut one a minute. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I know we skipped a little bit, but because I
think anyone who was looking at what was going on
at these No Kings rallies not only on just Long Island,
but all over the country. If you notice, besides the
inner city No Kings protests, everywhere in like a rural area,
(02:54):
suburban suburban area rather was all old white liberal women.
Like there was it was a majority of old white
liberal and and then you looked at, like, you know,
stuff going on in the inner cities and that those
are paid protesters.
Speaker 7 (03:10):
Those were the precursors. Androbles.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, but it was funny to me because you have
all these people going out, you know, they they're the
people that always call us the racist ones. And you
look at these rallies and it's like I said, it's
all old white women. And then we had a Patriot
party that night and I looked around and I was like,
this is the most diverse group of peoples.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
It was.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
It was young, it was it.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Was Asian, there was black, there was white, there was everything, old, young,
it was. That's that's what we welcome here.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
So I did.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I did put a little clip together, this brilliant one.
If you guys could cueue it up, and then we'll
go to cut too, and we'll talk about other things
going on.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
If you want videos made for you, she's.
Speaker 8 (03:59):
For you.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Make a marda gray because there God said, trusts, God bless.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
The USA, the United Estates.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Everybody was in.
Speaker 8 (04:17):
The visible.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Justine for a fifty great states.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
And that's how happy patriots are, like just happy, celebrating
all the time. And that's why when you know, as
as a Patriot group leader, and everyone was calling us
last week and saying are you going to count for
they were emailing here, Are we going to go counter?
I said, absolutely not. I told the Patriots to stand down.
I thought myself, my own opinion. I think I thought
it was a set up, like a Jay six setup.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And I told you saw that it was all geriatrica seriously,
which was in the suburban areas.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
But I said, we're going to be celebrating Donald Trump
and Flagg Day and the two and fiftieth birthday of
the Army at the most page dratic venue in the planet.
I am not even giving credence. I didn't want anything
to do with that nonsense.
Speaker 8 (05:03):
I felt the same way I love wrong De Santa
sen and Florida.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
We're just giving me.
Speaker 8 (05:08):
He was telling people, if you feel like you're in
danger in your car, you.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Run over him over that sheriff. I want to get
him on our podcast, the one who basically said, if
you hurd the cops, you're going in and you know,
you go in to them mambulance and you're going to jail.
Or we'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Going to the hospital and then you're going to go
to jail.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Or if you really heard a cop.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
I love what he said. The big beautiful dogs will
stiff them. And he said, you know then you will
be calling your family to pick up your remains.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, well, we don't have that luxury.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
No, but now.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I would hope to have it eventually.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, we didn't want to spend too much time on
this because we have a very important episode tonight covering
a lot of the news that are going on, and Donna,
I'll hand it back to you.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah, I'm so excited. I'm skipping ahead. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well, I mean we are going to get into some
of the vaccine and medical freedom and legislation stuff tonight
because it is always a foundational issue religious and freedoms
that give us all our other freedoms in this country.
But surrounding that locally, Newsday did and cut to if
we can pull that up, please, now we can pull
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it up. Newsday had a big fun cover page saying
parents book pushback on vaccines. And there's a lot of
controversy because since COVID there's always been a culture of
people and parents who didn't vaccinate. Since COVID, most people
have started questioning everything that they're told rightfully, So yeah,
(06:36):
I mean anymore.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
Yeah, then I don't even like to go to the
doctor now neither. I don't know, I just don't. I
just don't want I have to.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
I have to, but well it's hard to it's hard.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It's you want to feel like you can trust who
is taking care of you, because if you don't have
a healthy body, you can't really do much more with
your life, right, It's hard to do if you don't
if you don't have health. So that's like a foundational
piece of freedom, having health and having a trusted healthcare system.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
And our system has been so broken for so many years.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
As a nurse, it's been broken for decades, and I
watched it get worse and worse and worse. So parents
have every right to question when they started telling us
I was in the nickew and maternal child's health. When
they started telling us, you know, newborn babies had to
have hepatitis B no matter you know who they were
born to, what circumstances they were born under, you have
to start raising some serious eyebrows. Absolutely, So I love
(07:28):
that this is a front cover of Newsday.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Well, yeah, I think there's a lot of talk right
now in the news about vaccines because of what took
place last week. We didn't have Unfortunately, we didn't touch
on it last week. I think it happened actually the
Monday before our Tuesday night podcast. But if anyone was
paying attention last week, RFK Junior fired all seventeen CDC
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Vaccine Advisory Committee members, and apparently he recently appointed I
want to say, eight experts.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
Uh yeah, seventeen. That's a good number.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Seventeen number.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Someone sent me a thing today this said happy seventeen
with a big que.
Speaker 7 (08:09):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I'm just saying, well, that was an epic move.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
Yeah right.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I mean also not to always go back during COVID,
but I think COVID times showed the public a lot
about because people started really waking up and getting involved
and showing up at hearings. And so you would watch
the CDC, you would watch the FDA, you would listen
to all these hearings and public health hearings and see
how ridiculous the process was. Didn't matter what kind of
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evidence is put forward. Everyone had their minds made up beforehand.
And there's a reason for that. There's a good reason
for that. It's because they've been bought and sold. So
I love, love, love, love that he has refreshed that
entire agency.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Yes, imagine when Fauci had the audacity not too long ago,
to say, we just made up the six feet, we
just made that. I'm like, I want to go through
the TV. Oh, I know, we just made that up down.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
The lies that man. Yeah, you know that came out
of his mouth.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Do you want to read the post? I put a
little clip in there.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I didn't put the entire post in there, but yeah,
post that RFK Junior put on X.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Absolutely, RFK said, I retired the seventeen current members of
the committee. I'm now repopulating a SIP with the eight
new members who will attend ASIP's scheduled June on the
twenty fifth scheduled June twenty fifth meeting. The slate includes
highly credentialed scientists, leading public health experts, some of America's
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most accomplished physicians. All of these individuals are committed to
evidence based medicine, gold standard science, and common sense. So
there's a list of the new members. Joseph Hibbelin, Martin Cauldorf,
Retzef Levy Or Levi, Robert Malone, Cody Meisner, James Pagano,
(09:53):
Vicky Pebsworth, and Michael Ross. I mean, these are noteworthy
people with incredible experience and a lot of TENAC.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
So it's exciting.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
Yeah, it is forward to hearing.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
And the boys just had Robert Malone on their podcast,
A few minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I don't know if you guys watch.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
It was great, yep'd from our website. Absolutely, and I
think they're going to try to get them on our
show too.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So these are these are exciting times. This is what
we voted for. These are these are the changes that
are so desperately needed and what we're looking for. So
when we come back, we only have a few more minutes.
We're going to talk a little bit about the Religious
Liberty Commission, and we have a Barbara low Fisher. She
is the co founder and CEO of n v i
(10:38):
C n v i C dot org. She is the
original gangster mom. She's a mama bear. She's down in Florida,
but she's the original with vaccine safety and really sounding
the alarm. So we're looking forward to having her on
when we come back from commercial break in just a
few seconds.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
Thank you, so got a minute ago.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I thought he said it. I thought he said it too.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Oh my god, this.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Is it's all right that this is what happens when
you have a live show every now and then.
Speaker 8 (11:11):
I actually listened. But the clip that we had with
Barbara I had listened to. It's like a forty minute
long you know video that she did where she described
you know, in detail. It was it really caught my attention.
Speaker 7 (11:25):
It was very good.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Which one she described in detail, what.
Speaker 8 (11:27):
Of everything that's going on with the with the lawsuit,
the original lawsuit case that was the Supreme Court lawsuit
back in like a century ago, you know, and where
where it puts us now.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
So it was very interesting.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Oh so I do look forward to Before we go
to break, I just want to say we have our
good new friend Bobby here from Freeminds Thrive in the
audience to night watching us, and we're going to bring
him on next week.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And we're going to talk about his amazing product.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
Oh this day Maha gold it is.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
We'll come back to that at the end of the show,
but that is.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
I want to say, awesome.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
It's a rough, amazing, stupendous.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
But we'll see you after commercial break. Thanks guys, welcome
back to the Patriots Podcast. We're so excited to have
Barbara low Fisher with us tonight. She is the co
founder and president of the National Vaccine Information Center known
as NVIC dot org. Barbara, welcome to our podcast and
thank you so much for being with us tonight.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
Well, thank you for inviting me. I love your show.
It's like the Patriot Women's answer to the view.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Yes, we love when we hear that.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, that's that's ABC.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
We'll take it.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
We're coming to their jobs.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
We're coming for you, ladies.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Barbara, you are an original, the original o g Yeah,
the og uh Mama Bear, fighter for vaccine information awareness
and shouting out from the rooftops. And we'd love to
hear a little bit about your background. And we know
there's a lot going on that we want to get
to tonight, but for our audience who may not know,
please tell us a little bit about you, your organization,
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and what led you here.
Speaker 9 (12:58):
Right Well, it was what happened to my son in
the fall of nineteen eighty. He is my firstborn child,
and I knew nothing about vaccines. American's parents knew nothing
about vaccines. We certainly didn't know that vaccines had the
ability to cause edgy and death. And so, to make
a long story short, I took him in for his
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fourth shot because it was a requirement for me to
put him in a mother's day out program so he
could socialize the other kids, and within four hours I
watched him suffer a severe reaction that I didn't know
what I was witnessing, a convulsion, a collapse shock also
known as a hypotonic hyper responsive episode, and a state
of unconsciousness for hours that I didn't understand, involving brain
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inflammation and encephalopathy that basically left him with multipler disabilities
and add so severe he had to be put into
a special education classroom for his entire twelve year education.
So he was diagnosed with minimal brain damage. He was
a very precocious child as a baby, and so you know,
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I didn't know what had happened to him until I
saw the documentary the I mean when he winning a
documentary DBT Vaccine Roulette in the spring of nineteen eighty.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Two, I called the station and I joined with other.
Speaker 9 (14:17):
Parents in the DC area who had also had children
who reacted to that vaccine. And what we did was
we launched the vaccine Safety and Informed Consent movement in
this country. So this movement is the forty three year
old movement, going from people not understanding at all anything
about vaccines to the public awareness that we had today.
(14:39):
It's sort of a remarkable story of how if you
commit to educating people. Our mission is to prevent vaccine injuries,
the dusk republic education, and to defend the ethical principle
of informed consent to medical risk taking, which includes vaccine
risk taking.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
This is a liberty issue. It is a case remote
to me.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
The most important right is the right to autonomy, the
right to self determination, the right to protect bodley integrity,
the right to exercise and form consent to medical risk taking.
Because you know, if you can't, you weren't free to
decide what you put in your body or the body
of your child.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
You're not really free.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Right Amen, that's right. Amen.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Well, so in nineteen eighty five you helped co author
A Shot in the Dark, which then went onto film.
Speaker 9 (15:31):
Correct, I didn't go to film, but you know, I'm
in the process of updating that book. And it never
was published in digital form, and because they held it hostage,
the publisher held eventually it was sold, etc. And it
was held hostage because it didn't want it out in
digital form. This was a shot across the bow in
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nineteen eighty five to public health. No one had ever
done a documented book and shall the mandatory mass vaccination system.
And that's you know, The topic today is really about
what's happening right now is that we have four states
that have lost the religious exemption to vaccination because those
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state legislatures voted to repeal it. Forty six states have
a religious exemption and or conscientious belief exemption that's in
addition to a medical exemption. The situation in the United States,
our founders left us with a beautiful system of government,
decentralized system. We're a representative constitutional republic, not a pure democracy.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
That's right, yes, say it louder.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
We have rights in our country.
Speaker 9 (16:47):
The right of the individual and minorities is what puts
limits on the tyranny. It could be the tyranny of
the federal government. What did they do structurally? They created
states states rights. There's a balance of power between the
state and the federal government. It's enunciated in the tenth
Amendment of the Constitution, the separation of Powers. It's a
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beautiful structure because we in our country, we were able
to actually stop the COVID vaccine mandate that President Biden
had put in place. That could have if we had
been in a peer democracy with a strong centralized federal government,
we could have all been under the situation like Australia
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some of the other countries where everyone had to get
that COVID biological.
Speaker 7 (17:38):
That was the plan, right.
Speaker 9 (17:41):
It was, And the CBC added the COVID shot to
the CDC's Childhood Recommended Schedule vaccination schedule.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
All fifty states.
Speaker 9 (17:50):
Rejected rejected that COVID federal COVID mandate for school children because.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Vac scene laws are state law.
Speaker 9 (18:00):
Anything not a given articulate is a power for the
federal government in the US Constitution is reserved for the
states in the tenth Amendment.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
What are we talking about right now?
Speaker 9 (18:12):
There is a proposal by very well meeting people, attorneys
and advocates who want to involve the federal government in
giving back the religious exemption to the four states that
have lost it California, New York, Connecticut.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
And Maine.
Speaker 9 (18:31):
Those state legislatures have not done the right thing like
the other forty six states have. So what they want
is the President of the United States, President Trump, to
issue an executive order and also they want federal legislation.
They want the US Attorney General to also force those
states to give them a religious exemption. Why don't we
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think it's a good idea. I've been working on this
for four decades and in a shot that I articulated
the Jacobson Versus Massachusetts decision nineteen oh five Supreme Court decision.
It has been called the most important judicial decision in
the history of public health. Why it was a utilitarian decision.
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It was the pseudo ethic of utilitarianism, which is basically
the greatest happiness for the greatest number of people, that
allows people to be thrown under the bus for the
greater good is the heart and soul of Jacobson. And
what the Supreme Court said was that the state has
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the right to protect the public health even if it
means violating the personal beliefs of an individual, which would
include religious beliefs. It was a utilitarian decision, and it
has been upheld in court, state and federal for.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
One hundred and twenty years.
Speaker 9 (20:00):
Most of the time that case has been used to
deny religious exemption to vaccination.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
We do not want it right now.
Speaker 9 (20:10):
Our position is, you don't challenge Jacobson versus Massachusetts. You
don't do anything to get the federal government involved that
could trigger a rocket docket putting a religious exemption case
in front of the Supreme Court where Jacobson could be
reaffirmed or even strengthened in the twenty first century. Because
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the fact is that states are beginning, they're becoming very
aware of this issue. We are getting legislation passed in
the States and proposed in the States. In the last
four years, more good vaccine related bills than bad vaccine
bills are being proposed and passed in the States. To
put limits on vaccine mandates, to protect vaccine exemptions, to
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do things like declaring that the who has no sovereignty
in a state when the WHO declares a pandemic, that
they that those residents of those states have to obey
what the World Health Organization says. We're getting labeling bills
path that proposed, working on getting them passed, that would
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label m R and A vaccines, that would label foods
that use m R and A technology. I mean, there
are some incredible things going on in the States. We
want to keep public health policy making in the States.
We don't want to open the door to the federal
government to come in and overwrite state states rights in
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public health policy making. And so that is why we're
asking people to go to NVIC dot org look at
the letter and addendum that we've written to the Religious
Liberty Commission that is taking a look at religious freedom
in this country. We feel that it's very a big
gamble to try to try to do anything that would
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potentially get that Jacobson versus Massachusetts decision.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Re examined in the Supreme Court. We don't think that
we have the votes.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
We were talking before, We were saying how it's a
slippery slope.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
It's a very slippery slope that we don't want to
go down. We live in New York and we have
to deal with it here.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
But the fact that the entire country would have to
be succumbed to deal with this, it's it's you know,
it's insane.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
It's insane.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Yeah, And to undermine the work that so many people
are doing.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Is I don't know the answer to this, So I'm
going to ask. So right now, the cards are in
our favor right because we have President Trump, But is
it a slippery slope because we don't know who the
commander in chief will be in the next four years.
And then further down the rock, further down the line,
and then the Supreme Court gets involved again. That's why
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it becomes a slippery slope. Right now, we're okay, you know,
we're holding the card sort of speak. But in four
years from now, we don't know, right, So to have
the federal government come in, yeah, understand.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
You've nailed it.
Speaker 9 (23:12):
Okay, the executive order could be repealed by the next president,
So I understand, and my heart goes out to the
families in those four states that don't do that.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
Right.
Speaker 9 (23:23):
The legislature was wrong to do that. But the permanent
solution is not to put a band aid on it
and try to do a workaround with an executive order
or try to pass federal legislation, or try to get
the US Attorney involved, because you could, like I say,
you don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Once you open that.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
So the answer really is to get down and dirty
in your state and do the hard work. Otherwise you
might be screwing it up for everyone else. So we'll
talk more about that when we come back from our
commercial break with Barbara Fisher. Thanks for watching in State
with us. We'll be right back. Welcome back to the
Patriots Podcast. We're in segment three. We have Barbara low Fisher.
If you're just joining she's from the National Vaccine Information
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Center co founder and president, Barbara. We're happy that you've
stayed with us through this break. Before we left, we
heard from you about you know, why it's so important
that we keep the states with the ultimate control over
what they do and how they protect or not in
some cases like the four cases in New York.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yeah, four states out of all fifty states, you got
four states that can't get on board with Yeah, religious
freedom right.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Yes, but how on them?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah, but the importance of keeping that relegated to the
states and not doing the sweeping executive order. But we
did want to talk to you a little bit also
about the Religious Liberty Commission that was put into place
by President Trump in May. And you know their role
and how do you see if you have any thoughts
or opinions about how you see their role helping hurting,
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you know, and any words of caution regarding that with
what we face here today with religious freedom and then
of course how that impacts medical freedom and bodily autonomy
and sovereignty.
Speaker 9 (25:15):
Well, the Religious Liberty Commissions mandate is to look at
threats to religious liberty in our country and to make
recommendations on how that can be remedied. And one of
the issues is in the area of public health, although
it's not really a main emphasis, but the reason that
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we wrote a letter was that this other letter had
gone out urging this present this executive order, and we
and federal action, and we have been working so hard
in the states to make these permanent changes in the
state public health laws that include vaccine laws, because, as
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I said, vaccine laws are state laws according to the
Tenth Amendment and the separation of powers between the state
and federal government.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
And we're very concerned about.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
The federal government because we know overreach is very quickly
becomes the policy whenever you get the federal government involved.
So we are urging the Religious Liberty Commission to refrain
from recommending to President Trump that there be an executive
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order or that there be federal intervention into state public
health law.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
And I think, so, how can listeners and viewers get
involved and help support that effort?
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Yes? On mbiic dot org. I just I think what
have you mentioned before?
Speaker 9 (26:45):
I have done a forty minute commentary that details what
Jacobs and versus Massachusetts was about and why it underpins
all public health policy making. It is the anchor for
public health policy making one hundred and twenty years, so
it will educate you about why this is so important
to stop. We have the letter that we've written to
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the Religious Liberty Commission on MBIC dot org and the
addendum that specifically addresses the executive order, and we urge
you to share this information with your family and friends,
your legislators at the federal and state level, to thought
leaders in your community so people can really understand that
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they need to get involved. We have an MVIC Averagey
portal at MVIC Advocacy dot org. That portal has been
in operation since twenty ten. It has been the organizing
tool in the States, and you are able to go
in there.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
It's free, and you're able with one.
Speaker 9 (27:45):
Clique to get in touch with your elected representatives and
make your voice heard. You'll have all of their contact
information one clique and will be also post positions on.
I think there was over six hundred MAXIM related laws
being proposed in the States that we covered and took
positions on, and we have a two to three ratio
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now of good vaccine related bills compared to that bad
vaccine deplanted bills. It works if we all get involved,
we can protect our freedom and are ultimateal.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
There should be no vaccine mandates.
Speaker 9 (28:21):
Absolutely, we shouldn't have to take anyone for an exemption,
a religious exemption, a medical exemption, which almost nothing.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
Qualifies as a medical exemption. We shouldn't have to do that.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
We should have the right to have full information make
a voluntary decision about any medical intervention that carries the
risk of injuria death.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Yeah, well we certainly certainly agree with that.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
So with the states and some of the work that
different people in your organization has helped put forward. With
all of this access and information, you know, are what
are people doing in their states to help move things
along and put forward these great bills, Like are they
getting codified into the constitutions and state?
Speaker 4 (29:00):
How is it working?
Speaker 6 (29:02):
No?
Speaker 9 (29:02):
It Basically what happens is this is an educational process.
This is this is changing public opinion, and it's it's
educating legislators one on one, developing personal relationships with thought leaders.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
And with particularly with legislators.
Speaker 9 (29:19):
That's how we've gotten vaccine legislation passed in the states.
So it's it's legislation, it's bills that we get passed
and then they become the.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Law of the state. We're working on bills right now.
Speaker 9 (29:33):
We're trying to protect vaccine exemptions and are doing a
very good job of it. But our ultimate goal is
to uh to take down these vaccine mandates that have
been so oppressively implemented in this country. You know, in
some states religious belief exemption you have to belong to
a church and as a tenant opposing vaccination. Well, vaccination
(29:55):
was not developed until after the.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Bible, after all, making religions were formed.
Speaker 9 (30:02):
So there's a lot of work to be done in
terms of educating our public about why this is so
important to protect bodily integrity, have the right to protect
body integrity and autonomy and make these informed decisions about vaccination.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
So what is the journey from VIC on your work
been since COVID. I would imagine this was a big
pull vaulted you in some sense just because there was
such a greater awareness. But I'd be curious to hear
from you what that journey's been since.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
The opposite happened.
Speaker 9 (30:33):
What happened was we had a target on our back
where the oldest organization that has been doing this work,
and they took us out first on the internet. All
my commentaries for fifteen years taken off of YouTube. We
were taken off all for major social media platforms so
nobody could get our information. The only one is put
(30:54):
us back on is X when Elon Musk purchased X.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
Thank you wish our right to speak on X.
Speaker 9 (31:02):
But we are Lifetime band on YouTube, Facebook and Instagram.
Censorship is still alive. And well, we're on a blacklist,
the government's blacklist. And unfortunately, even with President Trump in power,
we have not been taken off that blacklist.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
You are I had a Lifeloe band.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
Yeah, how about how about Rumble Truth Social.
Speaker 9 (31:23):
We are on Rumble. Those are the B tier platforms.
We're on mee wee, We're on gab, but we're not
on the major social media platforms is where everybody goes right, right?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I mean it's remarkable because I know you were on
major network news decades ago, speaking very openly and very
easily about these things.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Isn't that right?
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Right?
Speaker 9 (31:44):
I In nineteen ninety seven, I debated Neil Halsey from
Johns Hopkins. For the first time, I articulated the informed
consent ethic when pertaining to vaccination. No one had ever
done that. I also I also brought up the chronic
seas and disability epidemic and said a question whether all
these vaccines were giving our children were setting them up
(32:07):
for chritic disease later in life.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
That was nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
Wow, oh bless you.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I have a question.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
So I just want to go back to the Religious
Liberty Commission. I know yesterday they held their first meeting
at the Museum of the of the Bible in Washington,
and when I looked into it, it looked like the
whole premise of that meeting was to go back into
I guess the first day of the meeting was to
(32:35):
go back to our history of the founding of our
founding fathers and how they founded this country, and it
was because they were escaping religious persecution. So when I
looked at also the players that President Trump has on
this committee, besides like Ben Carson, Franklin Graham, I know,
(32:56):
there's a reverend, you know, people that represent different religions,
and there's also an expert on the US Constitution who
has argued before the Supreme Court before and who heads
the First Liberty Institute, as well as a top appellate lawyer.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I don't know if this is a silly.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Question, but is there a way for them to put
into federal law that it can't be undone, It can't
even go to the Supreme Court for them for them
to overturn, Like do you think that that's where they're
headed with this religious.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Liberty commissions?
Speaker 9 (33:32):
Remember they are the tenth Amendment that assigns powers to
have assigned powers to the under government versus the states.
Because we have splie form of government. This would to
try to do a federal vaccine law in effect, I
(33:52):
think it's going to be very very difficult.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
For example, after.
Speaker 9 (33:56):
Nine to one one when the Mile Stay held, the
Bertsy Powers Act was proposed by well Lawrence Gossen at
Georgetown University was paid by the CDC to develop this.
They had to go state by state in order to
expand the public health emergency powers at the state level.
So I think it would be very difficult for there
(34:18):
to be a federal law that would govern public health
policy making.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
That you are to put into the constitution. I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (34:28):
The constitution. Well, I would love to see an informed
consentment and then constitution that wasn't just address or vous liberty,
but would address this whole issue of freedom, the freedom
to to have dominion over what you put in your body,
or we shouldn't have to obey the dictates of physicians
(34:52):
or anybody sitting in the federal government, a public health official,
or anyone.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
Who tells religious or medical or for whatever reason.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Yeah, right, it's medical rate. And I mean we've seen
I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
You know, people got very offended during COVID when some
people were talking about, you know, making similarities to Nazi
Germany and.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
The forest medical right.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
And the truth is the Nuremberg Code should have taken
care of this internationally. But how did we land back
here again? It's crimes against humanity.
Speaker 9 (35:27):
No, it's really interesting you bring that up because Jacobs
and versus Massachusetts, this utilitarian ruling was actually used in
Buck versus Bell nineteen twenty seven. Oliver Wendell Holmes, one
of the probably the most famous Supreme Court jurists in history,
was on the court when Jacobs and versus Massachusetts was articulated.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
I believe he was the one that authored it.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (35:51):
He was on the court in nineteen twenty seven and
Buck versus Bill, which was a case of a young.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Woman in Virginia.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Barbara, I'm sorry, we have to go to commercial break,
so can we come and come back to that right
after that? Would you stay with us because we'd love
to finish sharing it. Thank you so much. We'll be
right back. Welcome back, everybody to the Patriots Podcast. We
just want to wrap up with Barbara Lowfisher from nviic
dot org. Barbara, could you just I'm sorry we had
to cut you off there for commercial break, but can
(36:22):
you just wrap up with that importance and the similarity
between what's been going on and COVID and Nazi Germany.
The Nuremberg rode all of it right well.
Speaker 9 (36:33):
I was saying that the Jacobson versus Massachusetts decision that podified.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Into law that the states can force.
Speaker 9 (36:40):
People to get vaccinated to protect the public health was
used in nineteen twenty seven by the Supreme Court and
Buck versus.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
Bell to basically.
Speaker 9 (36:50):
Affirm eugenics and the forced sterilization of people that health
officials decided are a threat to the public health.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
In fact, the statement was made.
Speaker 9 (37:02):
The principle the sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to
cover cut in the filopian tubes, so Hitler actually took
this idea, this eugenics idea that really started in the
United States. Yes, and he took it and he applied
it in the Holocaust. So when you ever use the utility,
(37:25):
ism is slippery slope and it is the underpinning of
public health lawmaking in this country, which is why the
individual rights are devalued in service to the state. So
I think that we don't want to fool around potentially
in the wrong court at the wrong time, with the
wrong argument challenging Jacobson. And that's my concern is the
(37:49):
concern of a lot of people that were not quite
ready in the society yet there's not enough of an
education about the risks of failures of vaccines and the
need to back away from that as a centerpiece of
how we protect the society's health.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Well, we thank you so much for coming on with
us tonight and sharing your extreme immense knowledge and highlighting
you know, the real issues underpinning this newest threat that
we have. So we will be a champion to be
pointing people to NVIC dot org to support you your
work and to read and learn and share share that
(38:26):
knowledge and keep passing it on.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Thank you so much, Barbara, It's been a pleasure to
have I.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
Just I want to reach out to you. We're going
to get a commercial for you so our guests, our
viewers can see what you guys are doing and support you.
So we'll stay in touch and we can try to
help get the message out for you more.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
Oh, bless you, thank you, welcome.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
God bless you. Barbara. Have a great night. Thanks agaank
you Bye bye bye bye. She's amazing, isn't she a
wealth of knowledge?
Speaker 7 (38:51):
She is a lot of all.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
So all these organizations that are out there promoting that
or asking rather President Trump to get involved and have
the federal government get involved, they're not realizing that this
is a slippery slope.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Is that is that I think that people I think
a few things. I think that people want a quick
fix and they want to strike while the iron's hot,
which in some cases is a really smart thing to do.
But when you listen to seasoned, veteran, knowledgeable people like
Barbara on these kind of topics, you recognize the danger
in doing that. And this is another an example of
(39:32):
why you know, in any just because it's in your
favor for how you believe it doesn't mean you should
be championing and rallying behind a president, any president to
make massive executive orders that impact and undermine anyone's constitutional right.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
To Trump doesn't want to be the president. That's just
you know, writing what he wants the American people. Were
you the people to step up to take over, fight
right and for and fight for what a constitution? We
have to do our part too.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Absolutely, But it's important for MAGA people to hear this
and MAHA people to hear this. Just because it's a
quick direct shot doesn't mean it's the right shot.
Speaker 8 (40:10):
Do you know when you look at you look at
the Awakening, it didn't happen overnight and it's still going on. Yeah,
it's not completed yet, it's still happening. It's the same thing.
It's the same theory, right.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
I think the problem is, like we said, like as
of right now, the cards are in our hands, so
to speak, but we don't know four years down the road,
eight years down the road, how that will be and
if the Supreme Court will you know.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Take this old how many years old?
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Nineteen oh five lawsuit of what is it Jacobson versus?
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Oh, what we're just talking about.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Massachusetts Jacobson versus Massachusetts and use it to their advantage.
But I think also we wanted to highlight how many
times on this on this platform have we said that
the United States of America is not a democracy. As
much as everyone wants to tell you it's a democracy,
(41:08):
we are. It's not a democracy democracy. We are a
constitutional republic.
Speaker 7 (41:12):
No king.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
And the democracy is a majority vote.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
It's a majority rule. So explain it.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Go ahead, now, Well, how that works in a democracy
is if you have one hundred people and fifty one
of them think one thing, and forty nine of them
think something else, the fifty one rule and trample over
the forty nine.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
And that's not freedom.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
That's not freedom.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
And a constitutional republic, the right of the individual shall
not be trampled upon by the mob, but the majority.
Speaker 8 (41:39):
Anything ever, and one and the one percent still has
every single right that the ninety nine percent correct.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
As long as you are not hurting me, feeling, murdering other, pizza, frauding,
you can't be taking someone else's right to you know, life, liberty,
the pursuit of happiness away.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
In your suit of.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Yours given rights, you have human rights, inalienable, alliable rights.
And again I think they've tried to trick everyone through
throughout how many years now through language, language and democracy.
We're a democracy. No, we're not a democracy. We're a
constitutional republic. So everyone, you start looking into the difference
(42:19):
between what a democracy is and what a constitutional republic.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Is well, because the real issue is once you really
understand that if when our schools stop teaching civics, you know,
people got lost real fast, and you'll listen to any
voice that you that gets in front of you. So
in the advent of you know, we know there's this
undermining of America that's been going on for decades. They
don't want a free, strong America. And so that you know,
(42:46):
as you see these things happen, you see slowly people
in office, people on for this administration at the the
what's when they get the day that they get sworn
in and the whole gration.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Thank you, the inauguration brain freeze. That's right at the inauguration.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Like when you heard people that were there for this inauguration,
big Trump supporters, big freedom, constitutionalist conservatives there they were
calling us a democracy.
Speaker 7 (43:16):
Am I correct?
Speaker 8 (43:16):
I'm sorry to interrupt, Am I correct in saying that
democracy is not even a word in our constitution.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Right, it's not.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
No, it's okay, mind control to make everybody believe that
if you say it enough times, it's we're democracy. And
it sounds benign. People don't realize that the majority vote
is no good. But it sounds good, right, It sounds
like it's not tyrannical if you do it that way.
Speaker 8 (43:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
So it's so important the education, as Barbara was saying before,
and not just on these issues and topics that we
were discussing with Barbara that are related to health and
freedom and sovereignty, but all topics, everything that.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
You can look at.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
You know, we have to start re educating our youth
and our and our children, and our and our constituents
and the people in office system.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
Because free thrives. Why, that's why.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
But democracy does not equal freedom. Democracy equals slavery.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Yes, it does, it does. It was a pretty boone
on top of it.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
It certainly does.
Speaker 8 (44:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
This episode has gone so quickly, we only have a
few minutes left.
Speaker 8 (44:26):
But it's been very it's been a good one. It's
been a good one. If it doesn't start to open
your eyes and your mind to what goes on, you
need to take another look, because well, it's well made world.
Speaker 7 (44:41):
We're in right now, right.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
And it's well meaning people that sometimes lead us down
a path of destruction. You know, the greatest, the greatest
intentions of all time are if they're not right, they're wrong,
and they don't.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Maybe I'm crazy, but I still have a little bit
of hope in this Religious Liberty Commission, and maybe they
just don't know how the law works.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
Trump Trump doesn't just select people have gasually, they're they're
here to do a job. There's a reason why they're
on that commission. And I think that they're going to
do the right thing. Yeah, doctor Malone put his life
on the road.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
I know they would do the right thing.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
I just don't know if legally, if they can do
the right thing.
Speaker 8 (45:19):
They're a commission though they advise they're not law making.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
But again, four years down the road, there's going to
be another commander in chief who's appointing a new commission.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Right, so it is a stay.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
Tuned Hopefully we'll be able to report back on a
later date. You know on our show that it's in
our favor.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, and just keep educating, keep talking, talk to everyone,
you know, that's it And educate them to the to
the realities of what we're dealing with and the dangers
and where they can get well informed information, accurate information.
Keep fighting, guys, because just because we have everything in
our favor right now, there's so much going on that
we need to stay on top of and keep plugging along,
(45:59):
especially in states like New York.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
But anyway, do we have any announcements too.
Speaker 5 (46:04):
But we're a little slow right now. Friday Nights Live
from zero six B. Come on down. It's free, it's
a lot of fun, so come join us on Friday.
It's on the website. But we do have Bobby here
from Freeminds Thrive and I'm gonna read something quick. He
is a family man devoted on a mission to help
people take control of their lives and minds by putting health, truth,
and personal freedom first. I love that your health is
(46:25):
your wealth, and without it, everything else suffers. Good health
is about more than what you put in your body
and mind. And there's there's more, and we're gonna he's
gonna be on next week, but I have to we'll
say really quick.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
I had horrendous like sun poisoning that nothing was working
on and Saturday night here at an event. We had
Bobby here, you know, as a vendor, and Shannon's mom
was like, you have to try this cream, but nothing
was working, and I.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Well, it's beef tallow. Did we say that already? It
is beef tallow.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
And it's with the other matches, beeswax and organic olive oil,
organic beeswax.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
And people this tallow stuff.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
Well, I'm going to tell you something I left here
Saturday night. I look like a snake. My skin was
brown and peeling.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
In my mom I think my mom whatever, she was
like handing him out, and you get a beef tallow
and Angie gets because Angie's.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Got some funky stuff on a hand, and they're much better.
Speaker 5 (47:18):
I wish I did it before and after because it
was incredible. So stay tuned for next week. He'll be
on with us. We'll talk more about it.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
We're going to close out with Donna's beautiful prayer.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
I don't know if we can.
Speaker 5 (47:28):
It was hardless right, I know that's okay.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Heavenly Father, we come before you with grateful hearts. Thank
you for continuing to be with us and for us,
and not yet turning your back on America. We ask
that you continue to give discernment, to know truth, wisdom,
and to know how to approach circumstances with humility, and
to accept whatever it is that you do have for us. Lord,
(47:52):
Thank you for the many who continue to fight for
goodness and righteousness. Please help us as we seek to
uphold the inherent and inalienable freedom that our country was
founded on, not because of who we are, but because
of who you are and how you created us.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
Lord.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
We know, based on your word, that we are to
be separate from the world, and that you separate the
wheat from the chaff. We ask that you bring a
spirit of unity to your people and cast down any
division that is not of you.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
In Jesus' name, we pray.
Speaker 5 (48:26):
Amen, and as always, keep your faith strong, your family clothes,
and your freedom alive. Thank you for tuning in. Catch
us on Spotify and iHeartRadio tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (48:37):
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