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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Sunday, August tenth, twenty five. Welcome to Real America's
Voice News. This is Sunday The Road Forward. We'll jump
right into our discussion today. Our scripture reading comes from
Psalm chapter ninety, verse twelve. So teach us to number
our days that we may get a heart of wisdom.
As always, we want to be an encouragement to our
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viewers and listeners to hold fast to the Gospel and
the unchanging Word of God. I'm Ryan helfenbein filling in
for doctor Tim Clinton. I'll be your host today.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
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Speaker 1 (01:15):
Joining us now is Ralph Reid. He is a political activist.
He is the founder and chairman of the Faith and
Freedom Coalition. He's authored several best selling books, and his
columns have appeared in The New York Times, Wall Street Journal,
National Review, and many other places. Ralph, thanks for joining
us on Sunday The Road Forward. It is great to see.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
You you bet Ryan, good to be with you.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I am very concerned. I think many viewers probably are
today just to see the general direction of this nation.
When you think about the Boomer generation all the way
down to gen Z, and that is in the area
of support for Israel. Ralph I have grown up in
the evangelical chure my whole life. Never did I see
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such a time in which not the mainstream culture but
the church itself question things that have been theologically established
for such a long time, things that you never had
to question. We believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. We
believe in the Gospel that Jesus saves sinners. We also
recognize that God has a special plan, a design for
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Israel and the Grand scheme. It's promised all throughout scripture
from Genesis to Revelation. And for some reason, the gen
Z generation just polled. And I'm not talking about gen
Z among secular unchurched, I'm talking about those that grew
up in the evangelical world. The support for Palestine, even
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Hamas is north of twenty percent. The support for Israel
has diminished greatly, it's below thirty percent. There's a lot
going on misinformation and propaganda that has been weaponized against
the gw A state. I wanted you to shed light
from your experience what you've even seen on the ground
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there in Israel for our audience.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Well, I think there's two things going on. One is
long term and one is more episodic and short term.
And the short term reality is that on October eighth,
after the worst attack on the Jewish people since the Holocaust,
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over twelve hundred murdered, many of them burned alive in
their homes, many of them. I have visited some of
the kibbutza's that were attacked. I have visited the music
festival grounds where the majority of those who were kidnapped
and killed were murdered and taken and it's a very
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hard thing to be witnessed. Too many peopeople fled into
safe rooms. The terrorists couldn't get in, so they simply
doused those homes with fuel and lit them on fire
and burned them alive. I entered into rooms where there
were young couples with their children who were murdered in
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cold blood. The blood of the victims was still splattered
on the walls when I visited, and the pock marks
and the bullet holes in the walls from the you know,
the Karishnikov rifles that the terrorists carried were evident in
these homes and I think at that moment there was
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moral clarity in the West that Israel and the Jewish
people were the victims, and that Hamas was the aggressor,
and that Iran, their trainer, financier, sponsor, was the ultimate
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responsible party and was going to need to be dealt
with eventually. That was the situation. Yes, but we're now,
you know, two and a half going on three years
into this war, and Hamas is pretty much on their
last leg. They now only hold it is estimated twenty
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hostages who were still alive. Most of the rest have
been released. Their political and military leadership has been largely
wiped out, and sadly, Gaza has been rubbled. So what
they've done since their back is now up against the wall. Ryan,
And if Israel does what I believe sadly now they're
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going to be forced to do in the absence of
getting any cease fire agreement, any agreement at all with
Hamas that will involve the release of the hostages. Hamas
isn't going to release the hostages because at that point
their debt, they have no further leverage to keep themselves alive,
so they're going to hold them. They're not going to
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release them, they're not going to agree to a ceasefire.
That is put Israel's back up against the wall, because
it is now tragically looking less likely that they'll be
able to get the hostages who are still alive out,
and it looks like they're going to have to take
a final military offensive and destroy what is left of
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amasa's network. And that's not what Israel wanted, it's not
what the West wanted, but it is where we are.
You are, after all, dealing with a radical Islamic terrorist
organizations that wants to kill Jews, that wants to kill Christians,
and wants to wipe Israel off the map. So here
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we are. And in addition to that, as you and
your viewers know, we have one of the worst humanitarian
crises on the planet. Because I don't think we actually
know how many people are still left in Gaza. I've
heard estimates of, you know, somewhere between one point two
and one point five million. I don't think it's two
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million anymore. I think a lot of left. But obviously
it's a failed state. The UN refuses to bring food
supplies into Gaza to feed innocent civilians. Under IDF, Israeli
Defense Force escort, so that rules out the United Nation,
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and there are various NGOs and non governmental organizations. There
are some great groups like the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation and
others that are trying to do good work, but it's
limited where they can go. So there are people. It's
a serious crisis. Whether it's a famine or not, you
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know would be you know, is someone in the eye
of the beholder. But we're certainly right on that, and
that has now made Israel look like the aggressor, and
that's caused us to lose a lot of people in
the Middle and Ran I have to be honest with you,
I don't really I only know of one solution to
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that conundrum, and that is to defeat Hamas, dismantle and
destroy their military and political network, and win this war.
And anything short of that total victory, you're just going
to be dealing with this again in three, five or
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ten years. Nobody wants that. Trump sure didn't want it.
He wanted a deal now real quickly, I'll try and
do this more efficiently. What's the long term problem? The
long term problem is in our universities, in our colleges,
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in the media, and unfortunately Ryan outside of the most
reliably conservative evangelical churches. This rising generation is not getting
exposed to the facts or the truth about the conflict
in the Middle East, about the fact that you know,
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Israel is basically the size of New Jersey and is
surrounded by enemies all around them, including Iran, the leading
state sponsor of terror in the world. And they haven't
been exposed to the fact that, first of all, God
gave that land to the Jews, they were His chosen people.
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They have been persecuted, hounded, murdered and exterminated for centuries,
and the West, led by the United States and the
un made a decision after the Holocaust that we would
allow them to return to that land and have a
state as a humanitarian impulse to protect them from further persecution.
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They need that state. They must be able to defend themselves.
It is a moral and ethical imperative for the civilized world.
And unfortunately, the Rising generation isn't really hearing now, and
so they unfortunately look at things like what the media
calls the West Bank, which is really Judaean Samaria, which
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again is land God gave to the Jews, and they
see Israel as the occupier rather than as that land
correctly belonging to the Jews, and so what's the long
term answer to that. First of all, organizations like mine,
outlets like Real America's Voice has got to go out
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there and tell the truth. Yes, churches have got to
do their job. Ministries have got to do their job.
But we need to have organization, and there are many
good ones taking more young people to Israel so that
they can see it for themselves. You know, I was
always pro Israel from the time I was very young.
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I grew up in a home where I was taught
that being a good Christian meant defending Jews. Now, that
was not a hard case to make when you're growing
up in Miami, Florida. My parents went to high school
and college with the children of Holocaust survivors. I went
to public school with the grandchildren of Holocaust survivors. This
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was real to me. It was not theoretical, it was
not political. These were my friends, okay, But even with
that as my background, Ryan, when I went to Israel
for the first time in ninety three or ninety four,
it changed my life. So we got to do more
of that. There's a lot of work that needs to
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be done, and the good news is that last November fifth,
Donald Trump won one of the most impressive victories, one
of the most amazing comebacks in American history. You know,
to see them trying to put him in prison, trying
to bankrupt him, indicting him in multiple jurisdictions, literally trying
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to jail their political opponent, That's what was going on.
They were trying to turn America into a third world country.
And he won such an amazing victory. He's the best
friend that Israel has ever had in the Oval office.
And BB Netanyahoo is a Churchilean historic figure. And I
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mean this literally, this is not hyperbole. I thank God
every single day that they're there. I was last in
Israel in March with a small Christian delegation, delegation of
Christian and faith leaders. We met with BB Netanyahu and
his advisors in his office and I told him at
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the time, I was then reading probably one of the
best biographies of Winston Churchill, single volume biographies in the
English language, Yeah, by a guy named Andrew Roberts yep.
And I told him I felt like I was in
the war rooms with Winston Churchill in nineteen forty one.
So Bb is going to do his job. His government
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is going to lead. They're going to finish this job,
and I believe the United States will support.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Them very well. Stated Ralph. I don't think anybody could
have come on and laid that argument out better, both
in the short run and the long run. I do
think we have our work cut out for us, especially
when it comes to the Evangelical Church and messaging properly
theologically biblically to that next generation. I think the reason
there's a there's a propaganda issue is largely because polpits
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have been silent in our country and we've got to
do a bit of job of sharing the truth from
God's word. Ralph. We're out of time, but thank you
so much.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
For coming on. I answered one question.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
You did, but it was brilliantly stated, and I think
that is well worth the time, and I think for
many people who might be listening this morning, they might
be saying amen to that. Ralph. Thank you so much
for all you're doing at Faith and Freedom Coalition, and
certainly for being an outspoken defender of the Jewish people.
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We certainly appreciate your words this morning.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Thank you so much, Brian.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
God bless you God, bless.
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Speaker 1 (16:50):
Joining us now is Travis Johnson. Travis is the lead
pastor of Pathway Church, CEO of People for Care and Learning,
and founder of Buy a Tree, Change of Life. Travis
is a member of the National Faith Advisory Board. Pastor
Travis Johnson, thank you for joining me. Great to see you.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Great to see you too, Ryan. It's always great to
be on doctor Clinton Tim Clinton's show, and to be
on with such a great friend as well here with you,
so thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
So much, ay Man, brother, I was looking forward to
this and by the way, for weeks now, I have
been praying for you, and I've known about this recent
trip that you took to the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
You were invited as a part of a delegation, but
to go there as a pastor invited by the heads
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of state in that country. And I wanted you to
share with our viewers this morning, what is going on?
What is God doing in the Congo.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
You know, it's incredible actually, you know, for the last
thirty one years there's been a silent gymocide taking place
in the Congo. So much of it is you know,
it's kind of leveraged on the rare earth minerals that
are so prevalent, with about eighty percent of the earth
minerals in the world right there in the DRC. So
it's a very wealthy land. But because of it, there's
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been a lot of a lot of conflict, and so
some eight million people have been killed in the last
three decades. Since to the beginning of twenty twenty five,
sexual violence against women, girls, and even infants has spiked
seven hundred percent. There's seven hundred thousand displaced people right
now and about ten million people facing real food insecurity
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because of some very difficult. Attacks by some armed militia
groups has just has been pretty terrible. And so President Trump,
you know, he's come along and he has been doing
some work between Rwanda and DRC. On June twenty seventh,
right there in the Oval Office, the two foreign ministers
of both countries signed a peace agreement, and so that's
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been working on. It's maybe a little bit of a
light of the at the end of the tunnel.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Ryan.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
For the last five years, I've had a Congolese pastor
a part of my church. She's been praying for the DRC.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
I've been having invitations to DRC by church leaders, denominations,
and by government leaders. And just the timing worked out,
and so we went over into this situation as a
guest of President Felix Anton Chiziketti. We had an incredible
time and God did some work that even when I
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say it, it doesn't even sound real. Yeah, really, it's
only God.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yes, amen, And so wow. You know, I think oftentimes, Travis,
you have so many friends, especially among the National Faith
Advisory Board. I think about Pastor Greg Laurie and others
Franklin Graham, Jack Raham, many, many, many, many who are
a part of that who were clearly seeing signs of
revival here in the United States, and I think it's
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refreshing to understand God is moving globally. God is doing
some incredible things. You're doing work also in Southeast Asia
and Cambo and elsewhere. But you're seeing the fingerprint of
God in a distinct and really inexplicable ways that apart
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from the hand of God, there's no other way to
explain it. This is not just politics as usual. There
are many heads of state that are bowing and bending
the knee to the Lord Jesus Christ. And I think
that's important to encourage our viewers with this morning that
Jesus is definitely on his throne.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Absolutely. You know, I would say in twenty nineteen, you know,
some of these things are decisions that we have to
make because the same Holy Spirit that resurrected Jesus from
the dead is at work in every place in the world.
And sometimes we look at situations and say, well, you know,
God needs a little help here, But listen, we are
the variable. God is a constant. If there's a deficiency
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in what we're seeing, it's in us, it's not in
the Lord. In twenty nineteen, some of the work that
we've been doing in Southeast Asia has been it has
been very covert because we're talking about close countries. But
we made a decision to move from covert to overt
and we just began speaking even in moments, in times
that we're very inconvenient. What we've seen is just over
and over God to open up doors and move in
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significant ways. So it wasn't you know, it was spectacular
to stand just three Sundays ago or so, to stand
on the front lawn of the People's Palace, which is
the White House for the DRC, and stand out over
a crowd of people as far as the eye could
see and declare for DRC peace in Jesus Christ. It
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was actually what President Chizuketty called. This meeting was under
the High patronage of the President of the Republic, and
we declared Jesus and we worshiped together. It was a
very very powerful moment. We're seeing God work globally, but
you know, Ryan, I'm seeing it happen to my own church.
We're seeing we're seeing twenty two percent increase in Bible purchases.
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Young men have increased church attendance by fifteen since since
twenty nineteen. Right here in America, I would just say
to all the people, God is at work, and the
question is whether or not we're going to be at
work with him.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Amen. You know, here we are in the eve of
the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the celebration of
our country. The founding and that generation of early founders,
they were young people. I think that's one of the
things that's often missed. You know, we see these coins,
and we see pictures, portraits, oil paintings with powdered wigs,
and we think, oh, all old people, Ben Franklin, George Washington, old, old, old,
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But not so many of the founders were in their twenties.
They were in their thirties. They were young men. And
I'm thinking about the first national holiday, the first public address,
even by George Washington. You know, the order for Thanksgiving,
and Thanksgiving was not about turkey and dressing. It was
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about bending our knee and praising God, and it was
about fasting, and it was about a holy day of
prayer and recognition. And there was early revival in those days,
and it was led by the young. Could it be
Travis that we're on the eve of yet another revival
of young people, young men in this nation to bring
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the nation back to Christ.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I think, so, you know, progressivism has failed our young
men and our young women. You're actually it's not only
just church attendance that you see spiking among young men,
but it's also marriage. I'm watching it anecdotally at all
of our church campuses. Front row, our young people sitting
in their bibles, notebooks, highlighters, pins. Even this morning was
the second day of a seven day Jericho walk around
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MGM High School, one of the high schools in our community.
It's now been going on for about three or four years,
as our students on their own organized prayer walks around
their high schools in the seven days leading up to
the first day of school, praying for revival for the school.
And no one's telling them to do that. They're hungry
for it. This this is what I want to caution
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pastors and parents about out. Your expectation is too low
for your young people. They are called, they're anointed, and
you know, we all spend a whole lot of time
waiting to be prepared, and we miss out on so
much opportunity. You can actually do things, Yeah, you can
do things and nobody has to tell you you can.
You are called the Great Commission as a calling, so
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you know, go and share the good news, and as
you go share the good news and God will do
a great work.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
You know. I love reading the epistles of Paul, and
certainly his instruction to Timothy, you know, an older, wiser
man of God to a younger man of God who
was appointed and anointed by God to lead a church.
And you know, Timothy was young, and and Paul was saying, hey,
let no one look down on you for your youth.
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Be an example, encourage, even rebuke and young people. I
totally agree with you. They have opportunities to serve and
to lead. And that leadership opportunity is right now. It's
not like, hey, we got to wait until you're old
and then you know, and then you're approved and then
then you can go out there and do great things. No,
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I mean the Lord is working in this younger generation.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
And I so appreciate seeing that, and I'm encouraged by that.
In their boldness, they are not worried about the PC
culture in the way that the older generation was. They're
not embarrassed by Jesus and I want to talk a
little bit about that book that you got coming out.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yeah, I love that. Actually I got my first author's copy.
It feels pretty good to have. I mean, have smelled
the pages and so Unembarrassed of Jesus Follow from a distance,
lose your faith a little bit about deconstruction, follow closely
and change the world. And you can actually get that
on Amazon. You go search that, or you can go
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to Unembarrassed of Jesus dot com and pick that up.
Of course the pre sales would be really great. But
I'll tell you what here. Here's what I know is
that we've spent our time. I'm dumbing down the scriptures
to make it palatable, and we have created a form
of godliness that denies the power thereof. And it's actually
following Jesus closely that empowers you. You know, Peter denied
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Jesus going into Jesus' trial. It is a terrible thing.
The Bible says he followed at a distance and sat
down to see what would happen. So many people in
the church are watching to see what would happen. And
you know, like a fair weather follower, you know, I
don't want to be identified with you know, these fanatics,
But no, we want to be tucked right up underneath Jesus.
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Wherever he goes we go. We do that we can
see God do the miraculous. You know, after the day
of Pentecost, the Bible says that this coward Peter who
backed off when you know Jesus was under trial. After Pentecost,
Bible says he stood up and shouted boldly, and then
the other eleven disciples stood with him. So it's always
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starts with one person that's hungry, one person that's bold.
Courages can take pages. And then on that day we
see three thousand people coming to Jesus. I can't even imagine, Ryan,
how long did it take to baptize three people with
twelve Yeah, yeah, but got'll do it if we'll step up.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
A man courage begets courage, and it's courage operating under
the power of the Holy Spirit. And I think a
lot of people are recognizing I cannot do this under
my own power. How do we get courage? We have
to ask God for courage, and I believe the next
generation has that courage. I'm seeing it, you're seeing it.
We'll leave it there. Pastor Travis Johnson. Thank you so
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much for me.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Let me say this before we go, Ryan, as far
as DRC goo is, there's something you can do right now.
We've just long launched a petition. It's called end the
Silent Genocide dot Com.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I'm talking.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
We've got some top top leaders. We've got the General
Secretary of the Evangelical Alliance of Africa. We're talking to
Eric Metaxas, former SBC presidents, tons of amazing people and
you know, hey, thirty one years silent genocide, we can
be silent no more. Pop over to Endesilent Genocide dot com.
Drop your signature in there and share that with a friend.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
End the Silent Genocide dot Com. Thank you so much. Guys,
go go there and sign up today. Appreciate so much
your your vocalness and your leadership this morning. Pastor Travis Johnson,
thank you for joining us.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Thank you, Sarah. Have a great one.
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Joining us now is Kevin Freeman. He is the host
of the Economic War Room on Blaze TV and Pirate
Money Radio. He is also a New York Times best
selling author with his most recent book, Pirate Money, Discovering
the Founder's Hidden Plan for Economic Justice and Defeating the
Great Reset. He is also the founder of the Nsic
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Institute and Senior Fellow with the Center for Security Policy. Kevin, welcome,
Thank you for joining Sunday The Road Forward. Great to
see you.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Oh, good to see you. Ryan Well.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I appreciate so much the work you're doing over an
acadomic War Room. Certainly you're shedding light on many of
the issues when it comes to inflation, national debt, when
it even comes to the issues of liberty and security.
Really really important that we see the economic situation in
America and globally not just through the lens of personal
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finance and kitchen table issues, but also from a national
and international security understanding. I just want to talk right
now Turkey when it comes to the Federal Reserve Bank.
The Trump administration right now is in search for a
new chair vacancy to fulfill that in the next say
(31:24):
week or so. What do you know about that? What
are you hearing.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Well, First, let me agree with the President. The FED
has been behind the curve on adjusting interest rates. They
seem to be politicized already. People are fearful that Trump
is going to politicize him. Actually, it seems to be
politicized already. They were slow to raise interest rates, they
are now slow to lower interest rates. President has made
it very plain that he's not going to fire Jerome Powell,
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but he wishes that he could put someone else at
the HELM. And the candidates that he's suggesting are people
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a friend. He wrote a cover note for one of
my books. Kevin Walsh, which is another Kevin, and so
I like him for his name. Judy Shelton, who's another friend.
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He nominated her for the FED last time he was president.
And Randy Coralz, who was the vice chair of the FED.
I would recommend both Judy or Randy or Kevin one
of the Kevins. Anyway, he wants to have the Federal
Reserve be more reflective and more timely in their policy,
and I believe he's right.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
There's a lot of things going on. You look at
the consumer price index. You look at inflation when it
comes to normal goods, it seems as though that's leveling
off a little bit, you know, in terms of inflation.
Do you see as we look at the national debt
north of thirty seven trillion dollars, by lowering the interest
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rates just for Layman's terms, what does that do to
the economy and to the servicing of that debt.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Well, let's be clear, the Fed at doesn't actually lower
the interest rates. They use market mechanisms to help the
economy move. Our economy needs to be growing. It has
a slow down leftover lag from the Biden administration. It
needs to be growing. The one Big Beautiful Bill had
a lot of growth components in it. But then we
also have the trade issue and we have the tariffs
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that have been placed. So bottom line, through all of this,
we need a very nimble FED, one that can move
more quickly. Now, in the end, I don't believe that
the Federal reserve system is the ideal system. I personally
think that we should have, as we've talked about in
the book, pirate money, people should have an option with
their money. It shouldn't be a monopoly just with the
FED and people ought to be using transactional gold and
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silver that would give them the nimbleness to adjust to
their own personal economic situation and transacting gold and silver
as the founders intended, as it was written in Article one,
Section ten of the Constitution. And five states so far,
we've had legislators read the book in all five states
pass the law signed into law by the governor. Whether
it's Governor Abbott in Texas, or Governor Sanders in Arkansas,
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or Governor DeSantis in Florida, or Landry in Louisiana or
Keiho in Missouri, they've all agreed that citizens should have
nimbleness and flexibility with money. And I think President Trump
is right on the FED. But I think we also
need a state based option for people to transact business in.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Going to transactional gold. Okay, so there's you know, folks
who don't understand this and it might be unfamiliar with this.
There are a lot of things that are floating around
like bitcoin and cryptocurrency and creating digital markets and alternatives
to the dollar. But I'm not seeing a lot of
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traction on that. I mean, I see a lot of
people that are investing in that sort of thing. But
no one's buying homes with it, no one's doing anything
with that. What are you talking about when you talk
about transactional gold?
Speaker 6 (35:00):
And you make a great point. Bitcoin is an amazing investment.
For anyone who bought bitcoin, you ten fifteen years ago
when it first emerged, they're very wealthy now bitcoin billionaires.
But in terms of everyday use, you don't go to
the dairy queen and buy your dip cone with a bitcoin.
But what we're talking about is using something that's in
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the Constitution, Article one, section ten that says a state
can make gold and silver legal tender in that state,
only gold and silver, not bitcoin, not anything else. But
then if you add modern technology to an old idea,
and maybe you put on deposit, for example in the
Texas Boollyon Depository, some a portion of a bar of
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gold that you own, You have individual ownership, it's vaulted,
it's held, it's protected, and it's accounted for as yours.
And then you go to the dairy queen and you say, hey,
I want to give a little piece of that gold,
a tiny little fraction, a few atoms of that gold
to dairy queen in exchange for the ice cream cone,
or you go and go to the Kroger and you
buy your groceries or gas, or you buy a car.
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How would you do that where you would transfer the
ownership electronically, just the same as using a debit card,
when you take the money that's in a bank and
you transfer it to another individual or entity or store
and then it's their money. You could do that with
gold and silver. We've passed laws in five states, starting
with Arkansas, then Florida, then Louisiana, then Texas, then Missouri
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signed into law to where you can do that very soon.
Those laws become effective this year, next year, and in
twenty seventeen, and when they do, we've created a personal
gold standard, which is so beneficial to people because gold
tends to hold its value over time. A movie ticket
forty years ago is the same price as a movie
ticket today priced in gold, but in US dollars it's
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gone from two dollars a ticket to fifteen, seventeen twenty
dollars a ticket.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
So well said, and I think a lot of people, look,
I have an economics background. My undergrad was in economics,
and I certainly I understand this. I think what is
lost on a lot of people is you know, the
idea of going off of what they've always known and
been accustomed to. There's a cognitive dissonance and there's a
psychology around paper money. But in nineteen seventy one, this
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nation was almost two hundred years old when it went
from a gold standard to basically a paper fiat currency.
And that was in nineteen seventy one. If you had
one hundred thousand dollars at that time, it's worth eighty
seven percent less today. But if you had one hundred
thousand dollars in gold, it would have gone up in
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value and you could buy more with it today. Is
that correct?
Speaker 6 (37:41):
That is correct, And people do have a cognitive dissonance
until they use it and then it like bulb goes on.
But think about biblically, if you go back and read
what the Bible says about gold and silver versus would
hate and stubble. What when the testing comes, when the
fire comes, gold and silver are purified by fire, would
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hayens double burn up? And that's the same thing in
economic disaster or challenge when we have those. Over time,
paper money lose its value, it disintegrates, but gold and
silver retain their value. The key here is using the
debit card, something every American is familiar with. You can
pay with it using a master card. I've got a
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system out of the UK that I use now, but
it's not an American system. So we want an American
system that's state authorized that you might not even have
to worry about capital gains, tax on the appreciation of
gold relative to the dollar. It really is the basis
for my book, Pirate Money, and it really is an
opportunity for Americans to find genuine personal economic justice.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I so appreciate it. Thank you for all you're doing,
Kevin over at the Economic War Room and certainly at
the Nsic appreciate you coming on and delivering these comments
this morning. Thank you for joining Sunday the Road Forward.
Speaker 6 (39:00):
Thank you Ryan.
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Speaker 1 (41:14):
Joining us now is Troy Miller. Troy is the president
and CEO of NRB, National Religious Broadcasters and organization that
equips Christian communicators to share the gospel with excellence on radio, television,
and all digital platforms. Troy, thank you for joining Sunday
the Road Forward. It is great to see you.
Speaker 8 (41:35):
It's great to be with you today. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Well, I know that right now NRB is leading the
way on many fronts, and right now there's there's a front,
a cultural front, and even a religious front with religious
liberty where all are concerned. Here there is a case
right now where Michael Ferris is leaving the charge regarding
the Johnson Amendment. And I know for many viewers there
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is been a concern for a long time about what
people are free to say, pastors free to say from
the pulpits in America. But this, you know, we have.
We're on the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, at least
the eve of the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of
our nation. And for the longest time, pastors were free
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to talk about politics from the pulpit. The Johnson Amendment
was introduced in the nineteen fifties, and it really became
a gag order from the federal government for pastors not
to weigh in on key political and cultural issues that
had political implications. What do we need to know about this?
Speaker 8 (42:44):
Yeah, Ryan, you're right. So for one hundred and seventy
plus years, pulpits across this country. Pastors were able to
speak biblical principles during the election cycles, and they spoke
about key issue us. They spoke about candidates, whether candidates
supported you know, biblical issues and biblical principles, biblical morals
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and those things. And so pastors were free to do that.
And then came along Lynda B. Johnson runs for Senate.
During that Senate race, he's opposed by a number of
churches and other organizations, mainly for his racist remarks and tendencies.
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But anyways, that election was a little contested itself. But
he gets into the Senate and as one of the
Senate leaders, one of the first thing he does is
attach this amendment to a bill that's going through and
thus it was called the Johnson Amendment. And this amendment
did three things. It said that nonprofit organizations, of which
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churches fall under that category, they couldn't financially support candidates
for office. They couldn't oppose or endorse candidates for office,
or talk about issues that would be seen as opposing
or supporting candidates for office. And then it limited the
(44:12):
amount of lobbying activity that they could do. And so
this went through without a single vote in either house,
the Senate or the House, without any votes because it
was attached to one of these appropriation bills and it
had just went through and became law, and really, as
(44:34):
you said, had an effect to just silence the pulpits
across this country. Since that time, the IRS has really
what we see as unequally applied this rule, this law
across so several conservative churches who've talked about issues or
(44:55):
talked about candidates have received letters from the IRS seasoned
this this or you're going to lose your status. While
at the same time, just in the last four or
five elections, you know, we've had presidents Barack Obama, Joe Biden,
Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris have all been in churches and
(45:18):
endorsed from the pulpit by candidates and not so much
as a peep of the I R S.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
There.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
There is a there is a kind of bias, uh,
prejudicial enforcement of of this standard. It's been relaxed for
some and I would just say, I would go, you know,
there's been many churches so called for decades that have
operated like n G O s and they've been the
(45:46):
sort of the organizing mechanism for the left, bussing to
on voting day and ballot harvesting and other kinds of
of things. Uh, but they've they've enjoyed very relaxed standards.
The I R S never been prejudicial in terms of
their enforcement there. But when it comes to conservative churches,
absolutely the one that that is at at a top
(46:08):
of mind, a friend of yours and a friend of
mine is Gary Hamrick at Cornerstone Chapel.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
He's been harassed by the RS. He has prevailed uh
you know in in those uh those different audits that
have come. I know that John MacArthur and there's been
others Franklin Graham has been audited as well.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
And they have prevailed largely because they've had pristine record keeping.
They are above the fray when it comes to adherence
to the law. Strict adherence to uh, you know, the
codification of the law. But uh, but to your point, Uh,
Kamala Harris. Uh was in the in the Commonwealth of
(46:47):
Virginia where I am broadcasting from, was able during a
campaign to speak before three hundred churches, liberal left lean churches,
and as long as they were supporting the correct candidate,
the r US did nothing to oppose that.
Speaker 8 (47:04):
Yeah, that's right, and that if you look back at that,
look at the youtubes of those a lot of those
pastors came out and directly endorsed her candidacy there. But look,
you take this back, Ryan, and this real issue here
is about the government stepping in between pastors and the
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pastor's conscience, the word of God, and their call before God.
And that that is exactly what the First Amendment was
meant to prohibit and protect the church against. Was the
government getting in between that because as you know, pastors
have a called a calling to preach the word of God,
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and that's the full counsel of God. So to talk
about those issues that are important, uh to them as
pastors in shepherding guiding their flocks, and so that's what
we really stepped in here. That's one of the reasons.
So it's you know, really had a as you said,
it's had an effect on pastors. Yeah, they're worried about
(48:10):
the repercussions to their flocks, not just themselves or their church,
but to their congregations because it's the congregations that lose
out here. They're the ones that lose the tax deductible
piece of this. It's not really the church itself.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Yeah, that's absolutely right. We just have just a few
more minutes. And I wanted to I'd be remiss if
I didn't mention this. You at NRB and George Barnett
the Barney Group have done research on this and it's
a very important study. A report that has come out
just the influence that Christian broadcasting has, particularly in this
(48:47):
current environment we find ourselves in in twenty twenty five.
We have more platforms of communication today than we ever
have before since the advent of the radio. And I
just wanted to talk about the influence that Christians can
have in the public square.
Speaker 8 (49:04):
Yeah, Ryan, this was a really exciting survey. We did
this looking at what the impact of Christian media is having,
and we specifically wanted to know the impact outside of
your own local church and we ask these questions. We
ask people, don't consider your local pastor sermons or Christian
media in this And right off the bat, the big
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number was sixty percent of the general population. That's the
general population of the US, not just Christian population, but
the US the broad US population tunes into some form
of Christian media on a regular basis. That was huge
to think about how many people across this country are
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really tuning in, really listening to searching out Christian media
to help them in their everyday lives.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Thank you so much, Troy Miller, President and CEO of NRB.
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 8 (50:02):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
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Speaker 1 (50:22):
Hey, thank you for watching Sunday The Road Forward. Doctor
Adrian Rogers once said, as the West goes, so goes
the world. As America goes, so goes the West. As
Christianity goes, so goes America. As evangelicals go, so goes Christianity.
He said this, I'm firmly convinced that if we could
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clean up the pulpits of America, we'd go a long
way to cleaning up America. Let's pray for revival and
for revival to begin in our churches and our pulpits
across the nation. I'll leave you on that note until
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Speaker 1 (01:15):
Joining us now is Ralph Reid. He is a political activist.
He is the founder and chairman of the Faith and
Freedom Coalition. He's authored several best selling books, and his
columns have appeared in The New York Times, Wall Street Journal,
National Review, and many other places. Ralph, thanks for joining
us on Sunday The Road Forward. It is great to see.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
You you bet Ryan, good to be with you.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I am very concerned. I think many viewers probably are
today just to see the general direction of this nation.
When you think about the Boomer generation all the way
down to gen Z, and that is in the area
of support for Israel. Ralph I have grown up in
the evangelical chure my whole life. Never did I see
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such a time in which not the mainstream culture but
the church itself question things that have been theologically established
for such a long time, things that you never had
to question. We believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. We
believe in the Gospel that Jesus saves sinners. We also
recognize that God has a special plan, a design for
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Israel and the Grand scheme. It's promised all throughout scripture
from Genesis to Revelation. And for some reason, the gen
Z generation just polled. And I'm not talking about gen
Z among secular unchurched, I'm talking about those that grew
up in the evangelical world. The support for Palestine, even
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Hamas is north of twenty percent. The support for Israel
has diminished greatly, it's below thirty percent. There's a lot
going on misinformation and propaganda that has been weaponized against
the gw A state. I wanted you to shed light
from your experience what you've even seen on the ground
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there in Israel for our audience.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Well, I think there's two things going on. One is
long term and one is more episodic and short term.
And the short term reality is that on October eighth,
after the worst attack on the Jewish people since the Holocaust,
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over twelve hundred murdered, many of them burned alive in
their homes, many of them. I have visited some of
the kibbutza's that were attacked. I have visited the music
festival grounds where the majority of those who were kidnapped
and killed were murdered and taken and it's a very
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hard thing to be witnessed. Too many peopeople fled into
safe rooms. The terrorists couldn't get in, so they simply
doused those homes with fuel and lit them on fire
and burned them alive. I entered into rooms where there
were young couples with their children who were murdered in
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cold blood. The blood of the victims was still splattered
on the walls when I visited, and the pock marks
and the bullet holes in the walls from the you know,
the Karishnikov rifles that the terrorists carried were evident in
these homes and I think at that moment there was
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moral clarity in the West that Israel and the Jewish
people were the victims, and that Hamas was the aggressor,
and that Iran, their trainer, financier, sponsor, was the ultimate
(05:01):
responsible party and was going to need to be dealt
with eventually. That was the situation. Yes, but we're now,
you know, two and a half going on three years
into this war, and Hamas is pretty much on their
last leg. They now only hold it is estimated twenty
(05:25):
hostages who were still alive. Most of the rest have
been released. Their political and military leadership has been largely
wiped out, and sadly, Gaza has been rubbled. So what
they've done since their back is now up against the wall. Ryan,
And if Israel does what I believe sadly now they're
(05:46):
going to be forced to do in the absence of
getting any cease fire agreement, any agreement at all with
Hamas that will involve the release of the hostages. Hamas
isn't going to release the hostages because at that point
their debt, they have no further leverage to keep themselves alive,
so they're going to hold them. They're not going to
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release them, they're not going to agree to a ceasefire.
That is put Israel's back up against the wall, because
it is now tragically looking less likely that they'll be
able to get the hostages who are still alive out,
and it looks like they're going to have to take
a final military offensive and destroy what is left of
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amasa's network. And that's not what Israel wanted, it's not
what the West wanted, but it is where we are.
You are, after all, dealing with a radical Islamic terrorist
organizations that wants to kill Jews, that wants to kill Christians,
and wants to wipe Israel off the map. So here
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we are. And in addition to that, as you and
your viewers know, we have one of the worst humanitarian
crises on the planet. Because I don't think we actually
know how many people are still left in Gaza. I've
heard estimates of, you know, somewhere between one point two
and one point five million. I don't think it's two
(07:13):
million anymore. I think a lot of left. But obviously
it's a failed state. The UN refuses to bring food
supplies into Gaza to feed innocent civilians. Under IDF, Israeli
Defense Force escort, so that rules out the United Nation,
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and there are various NGOs and non governmental organizations. There
are some great groups like the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation and
others that are trying to do good work, but it's
limited where they can go. So there are people. It's
a serious crisis. Whether it's a famine or not, you
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know would be you know, is someone in the eye
of the beholder. But we're certainly right on that, and
that has now made Israel look like the aggressor, and
that's caused us to lose a lot of people in
the Middle and Ran I have to be honest with you,
I don't really I only know of one solution to
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that conundrum, and that is to defeat Hamas, dismantle and
destroy their military and political network, and win this war.
And anything short of that total victory, you're just going
to be dealing with this again in three, five or
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ten years. Nobody wants that. Trump sure didn't want it.
He wanted a deal now real quickly, I'll try and
do this more efficiently. What's the long term problem? The
long term problem is in our universities, in our colleges,
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in the media, and unfortunately Ryan outside of the most
reliably conservative evangelical churches. This rising generation is not getting
exposed to the facts or the truth about the conflict
in the Middle East, about the fact that you know,
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Israel is basically the size of New Jersey and is
surrounded by enemies all around them, including Iran, the leading
state sponsor of terror in the world. And they haven't
been exposed to the fact that, first of all, God
gave that land to the Jews, they were His chosen people.
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They have been persecuted, hounded, murdered and exterminated for centuries,
and the West, led by the United States and the
un made a decision after the Holocaust that we would
allow them to return to that land and have a
state as a humanitarian impulse to protect them from further persecution.
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They need that state. They must be able to defend themselves.
It is a moral and ethical imperative for the civilized world.
And unfortunately, the Rising generation isn't really hearing now, and
so they unfortunately look at things like what the media
calls the West Bank, which is really Judaean Samaria, which
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again is land God gave to the Jews, and they
see Israel as the occupier rather than as that land
correctly belonging to the Jews, and so what's the long
term answer to that. First of all, organizations like mine,
outlets like Real America's Voice has got to go out
(10:50):
there and tell the truth. Yes, churches have got to
do their job. Ministries have got to do their job.
But we need to have organization, and there are many
good ones taking more young people to Israel so that
they can see it for themselves. You know, I was
always pro Israel from the time I was very young.
(11:11):
I grew up in a home where I was taught
that being a good Christian meant defending Jews. Now, that
was not a hard case to make when you're growing
up in Miami, Florida. My parents went to high school
and college with the children of Holocaust survivors. I went
to public school with the grandchildren of Holocaust survivors. This
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was real to me. It was not theoretical, it was
not political. These were my friends, okay, But even with
that as my background, Ryan, when I went to Israel
for the first time in ninety three or ninety four,
it changed my life. So we got to do more
of that. There's a lot of work that needs to
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be done, and the good news is that last November fifth,
Donald Trump won one of the most impressive victories, one
of the most amazing comebacks in American history. You know,
to see them trying to put him in prison, trying
to bankrupt him, indicting him in multiple jurisdictions, literally trying
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to jail their political opponent, That's what was going on.
They were trying to turn America into a third world country.
And he won such an amazing victory. He's the best
friend that Israel has ever had in the Oval office.
And BB Netanyahoo is a Churchilean historic figure. And I
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mean this literally, this is not hyperbole. I thank God
every single day that they're there. I was last in
Israel in March with a small Christian delegation, delegation of
Christian and faith leaders. We met with BB Netanyahu and
his advisors in his office and I told him at
(13:02):
the time, I was then reading probably one of the
best biographies of Winston Churchill, single volume biographies in the
English language, Yeah, by a guy named Andrew Roberts yep.
And I told him I felt like I was in
the war rooms with Winston Churchill in nineteen forty one.
So Bb is going to do his job. His government
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is going to lead. They're going to finish this job,
and I believe the United States will support.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Them very well. Stated Ralph. I don't think anybody could
have come on and laid that argument out better, both
in the short run and the long run. I do
think we have our work cut out for us, especially
when it comes to the Evangelical Church and messaging properly
theologically biblically to that next generation. I think the reason
there's a there's a propaganda issue is largely because polpits
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have been silent in our country and we've got to
do a bit of job of sharing the truth from
God's word. Ralph. We're out of time, but thank you
so much.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
For coming on. I answered one question.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
You did, but it was brilliantly stated, and I think
that is well worth the time, and I think for
many people who might be listening this morning, they might
be saying amen to that. Ralph. Thank you so much
for all you're doing at Faith and Freedom Coalition, and
certainly for being an outspoken defender of the Jewish people.
(14:29):
We certainly appreciate your words this morning.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Thank you so much, Brian.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
God bless you God, bless.
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Speaker 1 (16:50):
Joining us now is Travis Johnson. Travis is the lead
pastor of Pathway Church, CEO of People for Care and Learning,
and founder of Buy a Tree, Change of Life. Travis
is a member of the National Faith Advisory Board. Pastor
Travis Johnson, thank you for joining me. Great to see you.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Great to see you too, Ryan. It's always great to
be on doctor Clinton Tim Clinton's show, and to be
on with such a great friend as well here with you,
so thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
So much, ay Man, brother, I was looking forward to
this and by the way, for weeks now, I have
been praying for you, and I've known about this recent
trip that you took to the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
You were invited as a part of a delegation, but
to go there as a pastor invited by the heads
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of state in that country. And I wanted you to
share with our viewers this morning, what is going on?
What is God doing in the Congo.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
You know, it's incredible actually, you know, for the last
thirty one years there's been a silent gymocide taking place
in the Congo. So much of it is you know,
it's kind of leveraged on the rare earth minerals that
are so prevalent, with about eighty percent of the earth
minerals in the world right there in the DRC. So
it's a very wealthy land. But because of it, there's
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been a lot of a lot of conflict, and so
some eight million people have been killed in the last
three decades. Since to the beginning of twenty twenty five,
sexual violence against women, girls, and even infants has spiked
seven hundred percent. There's seven hundred thousand displaced people right
now and about ten million people facing real food insecurity
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because of some very difficult. Attacks by some armed militia
groups has just has been pretty terrible. And so President Trump,
you know, he's come along and he has been doing
some work between Rwanda and DRC. On June twenty seventh,
right there in the Oval Office, the two foreign ministers
of both countries signed a peace agreement, and so that's
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been working on. It's maybe a little bit of a
light of the at the end of the tunnel.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Ryan.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
For the last five years, I've had a Congolese pastor
a part of my church. She's been praying for the DRC.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
I've been having invitations to DRC by church leaders, denominations,
and by government leaders. And just the timing worked out,
and so we went over into this situation as a
guest of President Felix Anton Chiziketti. We had an incredible
time and God did some work that even when I
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say it, it doesn't even sound real. Yeah, really, it's
only God.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yes, amen, And so wow. You know, I think oftentimes, Travis,
you have so many friends, especially among the National Faith
Advisory Board. I think about Pastor Greg Laurie and others
Franklin Graham, Jack Raham, many, many, many, many who are
a part of that who were clearly seeing signs of
revival here in the United States, and I think it's
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refreshing to understand God is moving globally. God is doing
some incredible things. You're doing work also in Southeast Asia
and Cambo and elsewhere. But you're seeing the fingerprint of
God in a distinct and really inexplicable ways that apart
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from the hand of God, there's no other way to
explain it. This is not just politics as usual. There
are many heads of state that are bowing and bending
the knee to the Lord Jesus Christ. And I think
that's important to encourage our viewers with this morning that
Jesus is definitely on his throne.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Absolutely. You know, I would say in twenty nineteen, you know,
some of these things are decisions that we have to
make because the same Holy Spirit that resurrected Jesus from
the dead is at work in every place in the world.
And sometimes we look at situations and say, well, you know,
God needs a little help here, But listen, we are
the variable. God is a constant. If there's a deficiency
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in what we're seeing, it's in us, it's not in
the Lord. In twenty nineteen, some of the work that
we've been doing in Southeast Asia has been it has
been very covert because we're talking about close countries. But
we made a decision to move from covert to overt
and we just began speaking even in moments, in times
that we're very inconvenient. What we've seen is just over
and over God to open up doors and move in
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significant ways. So it wasn't you know, it was spectacular
to stand just three Sundays ago or so, to stand
on the front lawn of the People's Palace, which is
the White House for the DRC, and stand out over
a crowd of people as far as the eye could
see and declare for DRC peace in Jesus Christ. It
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was actually what President Chizuketty called. This meeting was under
the High patronage of the President of the Republic, and
we declared Jesus and we worshiped together. It was a
very very powerful moment. We're seeing God work globally, but
you know, Ryan, I'm seeing it happen to my own church.
We're seeing we're seeing twenty two percent increase in Bible purchases.
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Young men have increased church attendance by fifteen since since
twenty nineteen. Right here in America, I would just say
to all the people, God is at work, and the
question is whether or not we're going to be at
work with him.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Amen. You know, here we are in the eve of
the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the celebration of
our country. The founding and that generation of early founders,
they were young people. I think that's one of the
things that's often missed. You know, we see these coins,
and we see pictures, portraits, oil paintings with powdered wigs,
and we think, oh, all old people, Ben Franklin, George Washington, old, old, old,
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But not so many of the founders were in their twenties.
They were in their thirties. They were young men. And
I'm thinking about the first national holiday, the first public address,
even by George Washington. You know, the order for Thanksgiving,
and Thanksgiving was not about turkey and dressing. It was
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about bending our knee and praising God, and it was
about fasting, and it was about a holy day of
prayer and recognition. And there was early revival in those days,
and it was led by the young. Could it be
Travis that we're on the eve of yet another revival
of young people, young men in this nation to bring
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the nation back to Christ.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I think, so, you know, progressivism has failed our young
men and our young women. You're actually it's not only
just church attendance that you see spiking among young men,
but it's also marriage. I'm watching it anecdotally at all
of our church campuses. Front row, our young people sitting
in their bibles, notebooks, highlighters, pins. Even this morning was
the second day of a seven day Jericho walk around
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MGM High School, one of the high schools in our community.
It's now been going on for about three or four years,
as our students on their own organized prayer walks around
their high schools in the seven days leading up to
the first day of school, praying for revival for the school.
And no one's telling them to do that. They're hungry
for it. This this is what I want to caution
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pastors and parents about out. Your expectation is too low
for your young people. They are called, they're anointed, and
you know, we all spend a whole lot of time
waiting to be prepared, and we miss out on so
much opportunity. You can actually do things, Yeah, you can
do things and nobody has to tell you you can.
You are called the Great Commission as a calling, so
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you know, go and share the good news, and as
you go share the good news and God will do
a great work.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
You know. I love reading the epistles of Paul, and
certainly his instruction to Timothy, you know, an older, wiser
man of God to a younger man of God who
was appointed and anointed by God to lead a church.
And you know, Timothy was young, and and Paul was saying, hey,
let no one look down on you for your youth.
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Be an example, encourage, even rebuke and young people. I
totally agree with you. They have opportunities to serve and
to lead. And that leadership opportunity is right now. It's
not like, hey, we got to wait until you're old
and then you know, and then you're approved and then
then you can go out there and do great things. No,
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I mean the Lord is working in this younger generation.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
And I so appreciate seeing that, and I'm encouraged by that.
In their boldness, they are not worried about the PC
culture in the way that the older generation was. They're
not embarrassed by Jesus and I want to talk a
little bit about that book that you got coming out.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yeah, I love that. Actually I got my first author's copy.
It feels pretty good to have. I mean, have smelled
the pages and so Unembarrassed of Jesus Follow from a distance,
lose your faith a little bit about deconstruction, follow closely
and change the world. And you can actually get that
on Amazon. You go search that, or you can go
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to Unembarrassed of Jesus dot com and pick that up.
Of course the pre sales would be really great. But
I'll tell you what here. Here's what I know is
that we've spent our time. I'm dumbing down the scriptures
to make it palatable, and we have created a form
of godliness that denies the power thereof. And it's actually
following Jesus closely that empowers you. You know, Peter denied
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Jesus going into Jesus' trial. It is a terrible thing.
The Bible says he followed at a distance and sat
down to see what would happen. So many people in
the church are watching to see what would happen. And
you know, like a fair weather follower, you know, I
don't want to be identified with you know, these fanatics,
But no, we want to be tucked right up underneath Jesus.
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Wherever he goes we go. We do that we can
see God do the miraculous. You know, after the day
of Pentecost, the Bible says that this coward Peter who
backed off when you know Jesus was under trial. After Pentecost,
Bible says he stood up and shouted boldly, and then
the other eleven disciples stood with him. So it's always
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starts with one person that's hungry, one person that's bold.
Courages can take pages. And then on that day we
see three thousand people coming to Jesus. I can't even imagine, Ryan,
how long did it take to baptize three people with
twelve Yeah, yeah, but got'll do it if we'll step up.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
A man courage begets courage, and it's courage operating under
the power of the Holy Spirit. And I think a
lot of people are recognizing I cannot do this under
my own power. How do we get courage? We have
to ask God for courage, and I believe the next
generation has that courage. I'm seeing it, you're seeing it.
We'll leave it there. Pastor Travis Johnson. Thank you so
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much for me.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Let me say this before we go, Ryan, as far
as DRC goo is, there's something you can do right now.
We've just long launched a petition. It's called end the
Silent Genocide dot Com.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I'm talking.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
We've got some top top leaders. We've got the General
Secretary of the Evangelical Alliance of Africa. We're talking to
Eric Metaxas, former SBC presidents, tons of amazing people and
you know, hey, thirty one years silent genocide, we can
be silent no more. Pop over to Endesilent Genocide dot com.
Drop your signature in there and share that with a friend.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
End the Silent Genocide dot Com. Thank you so much. Guys,
go go there and sign up today. Appreciate so much
your your vocalness and your leadership this morning. Pastor Travis Johnson,
thank you for joining us.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Thank you, Sarah. Have a great one.
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Speaker 1 (30:07):
Joining us now is Kevin Freeman. He is the host
of the Economic War Room on Blaze TV and Pirate
Money Radio. He is also a New York Times best
selling author with his most recent book, Pirate Money, Discovering
the Founder's Hidden Plan for Economic Justice and Defeating the
Great Reset. He is also the founder of the Nsic
(30:29):
Institute and Senior Fellow with the Center for Security Policy. Kevin, welcome,
Thank you for joining Sunday The Road Forward. Great to
see you.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Oh, good to see you. Ryan Well.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I appreciate so much the work you're doing over an
acadomic War Room. Certainly you're shedding light on many of
the issues when it comes to inflation, national debt, when
it even comes to the issues of liberty and security.
Really really important that we see the economic situation in
America and globally not just through the lens of personal
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finance and kitchen table issues, but also from a national
and international security understanding. I just want to talk right
now Turkey when it comes to the Federal Reserve Bank.
The Trump administration right now is in search for a
new chair vacancy to fulfill that in the next say
(31:24):
week or so. What do you know about that? What
are you hearing.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Well, First, let me agree with the President. The FED
has been behind the curve on adjusting interest rates. They
seem to be politicized already. People are fearful that Trump
is going to politicize him. Actually, it seems to be
politicized already. They were slow to raise interest rates, they
are now slow to lower interest rates. President has made
it very plain that he's not going to fire Jerome Powell,
(31:52):
but he wishes that he could put someone else at
the HELM. And the candidates that he's suggesting are people
like Kevin Hassett, who is a good guy. He's been
a friend. He wrote a cover note for one of
my books. Kevin Walsh, which is another Kevin, and so
I like him for his name. Judy Shelton, who's another friend.
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He nominated her for the FED last time he was president.
And Randy Coralz, who was the vice chair of the FED.
I would recommend both Judy or Randy or Kevin one
of the Kevins. Anyway, he wants to have the Federal
Reserve be more reflective and more timely in their policy,
and I believe he's right.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
There's a lot of things going on. You look at
the consumer price index. You look at inflation when it
comes to normal goods, it seems as though that's leveling
off a little bit, you know, in terms of inflation.
Do you see as we look at the national debt
north of thirty seven trillion dollars, by lowering the interest
(32:54):
rates just for Layman's terms, what does that do to
the economy and to the servicing of that debt.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Well, let's be clear, the Fed at doesn't actually lower
the interest rates. They use market mechanisms to help the
economy move. Our economy needs to be growing. It has
a slow down leftover lag from the Biden administration. It
needs to be growing. The one Big Beautiful Bill had
a lot of growth components in it. But then we
also have the trade issue and we have the tariffs
(33:22):
that have been placed. So bottom line, through all of this,
we need a very nimble FED, one that can move
more quickly. Now, in the end, I don't believe that
the Federal reserve system is the ideal system. I personally
think that we should have, as we've talked about in
the book, pirate money, people should have an option with
their money. It shouldn't be a monopoly just with the
FED and people ought to be using transactional gold and
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silver that would give them the nimbleness to adjust to
their own personal economic situation and transacting gold and silver
as the founders intended, as it was written in Article one,
Section ten of the Constitution. And five states so far,
we've had legislators read the book in all five states
pass the law signed into law by the governor. Whether
it's Governor Abbott in Texas, or Governor Sanders in Arkansas,
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or Governor DeSantis in Florida, or Landry in Louisiana or
Keiho in Missouri, they've all agreed that citizens should have
nimbleness and flexibility with money. And I think President Trump
is right on the FED. But I think we also
need a state based option for people to transact business in.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Going to transactional gold. Okay, so there's you know, folks
who don't understand this and it might be unfamiliar with this.
There are a lot of things that are floating around
like bitcoin and cryptocurrency and creating digital markets and alternatives
to the dollar. But I'm not seeing a lot of
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traction on that. I mean, I see a lot of
people that are investing in that sort of thing. But
no one's buying homes with it, no one's doing anything
with that. What are you talking about when you talk
about transactional gold?
Speaker 6 (35:00):
And you make a great point. Bitcoin is an amazing investment.
For anyone who bought bitcoin, you ten fifteen years ago
when it first emerged, they're very wealthy now bitcoin billionaires.
But in terms of everyday use, you don't go to
the dairy queen and buy your dip cone with a bitcoin.
But what we're talking about is using something that's in
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the Constitution, Article one, section ten that says a state
can make gold and silver legal tender in that state,
only gold and silver, not bitcoin, not anything else. But
then if you add modern technology to an old idea,
and maybe you put on deposit, for example in the
Texas Boollyon Depository, some a portion of a bar of
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gold that you own, You have individual ownership, it's vaulted,
it's held, it's protected, and it's accounted for as yours.
And then you go to the dairy queen and you say, hey,
I want to give a little piece of that gold,
a tiny little fraction, a few atoms of that gold
to dairy queen in exchange for the ice cream cone,
or you go and go to the Kroger and you
buy your groceries or gas, or you buy a car.
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How would you do that where you would transfer the
ownership electronically, just the same as using a debit card,
when you take the money that's in a bank and
you transfer it to another individual or entity or store
and then it's their money. You could do that with
gold and silver. We've passed laws in five states, starting
with Arkansas, then Florida, then Louisiana, then Texas, then Missouri
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signed into law to where you can do that very soon.
Those laws become effective this year, next year, and in
twenty seventeen, and when they do, we've created a personal
gold standard, which is so beneficial to people because gold
tends to hold its value over time. A movie ticket
forty years ago is the same price as a movie
ticket today priced in gold, but in US dollars it's
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gone from two dollars a ticket to fifteen, seventeen twenty
dollars a ticket.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
So well said, and I think a lot of people, look,
I have an economics background. My undergrad was in economics,
and I certainly I understand this. I think what is
lost on a lot of people is you know, the
idea of going off of what they've always known and
been accustomed to. There's a cognitive dissonance and there's a
psychology around paper money. But in nineteen seventy one, this
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nation was almost two hundred years old when it went
from a gold standard to basically a paper fiat currency.
And that was in nineteen seventy one. If you had
one hundred thousand dollars at that time, it's worth eighty
seven percent less today. But if you had one hundred
thousand dollars in gold, it would have gone up in
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value and you could buy more with it today. Is
that correct?
Speaker 6 (37:41):
That is correct, And people do have a cognitive dissonance
until they use it and then it like bulb goes on.
But think about biblically, if you go back and read
what the Bible says about gold and silver versus would
hate and stubble. What when the testing comes, when the
fire comes, gold and silver are purified by fire, would
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hayens double burn up? And that's the same thing in
economic disaster or challenge when we have those. Over time,
paper money lose its value, it disintegrates, but gold and
silver retain their value. The key here is using the
debit card, something every American is familiar with. You can
pay with it using a master card. I've got a
(38:22):
system out of the UK that I use now, but
it's not an American system. So we want an American
system that's state authorized that you might not even have
to worry about capital gains, tax on the appreciation of
gold relative to the dollar. It really is the basis
for my book, Pirate Money, and it really is an
opportunity for Americans to find genuine personal economic justice.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I so appreciate it. Thank you for all you're doing,
Kevin over at the Economic War Room and certainly at
the Nsic appreciate you coming on and delivering these comments
this morning. Thank you for joining Sunday the Road Forward.
Speaker 6 (39:00):
Thank you Ryan.
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Joining us now is Troy Miller. Troy is the president
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It's great to be with you today. Thanks for having me.
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Well, I know that right now NRB is leading the
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right now where Michael Ferris is leaving the charge regarding
the Johnson Amendment. And I know for many viewers there
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is been a concern for a long time about what
people are free to say, pastors free to say from
the pulpits in America. But this, you know, we have.
We're on the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, at least
the eve of the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of
our nation. And for the longest time, pastors were free
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to talk about politics from the pulpit. The Johnson Amendment
was introduced in the nineteen fifties, and it really became
a gag order from the federal government for pastors not
to weigh in on key political and cultural issues that
had political implications. What do we need to know about this?
Speaker 8 (42:44):
Yeah, Ryan, you're right. So for one hundred and seventy
plus years, pulpits across this country. Pastors were able to
speak biblical principles during the election cycles, and they spoke
about key issue us. They spoke about candidates, whether candidates
supported you know, biblical issues and biblical principles, biblical morals
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and those things. And so pastors were free to do that.
And then came along Lynda B. Johnson runs for Senate.
During that Senate race, he's opposed by a number of
churches and other organizations, mainly for his racist remarks and tendencies.
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But anyways, that election was a little contested itself. But
he gets into the Senate and as one of the
Senate leaders, one of the first thing he does is
attach this amendment to a bill that's going through and
thus it was called the Johnson Amendment. And this amendment
did three things. It said that nonprofit organizations, of which
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churches fall under that category, they couldn't financially support candidates
for office. They couldn't oppose or endorse candidates for office,
or talk about issues that would be seen as opposing
or supporting candidates for office. And then it limited the
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amount of lobbying activity that they could do. And so
this went through without a single vote in either house,
the Senate or the House, without any votes because it
was attached to one of these appropriation bills and it
had just went through and became law, and really, as
(44:34):
you said, had an effect to just silence the pulpits
across this country. Since that time, the IRS has really
what we see as unequally applied this rule, this law
across so several conservative churches who've talked about issues or
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talked about candidates have received letters from the IRS seasoned
this this or you're going to lose your status. While
at the same time, just in the last four or
five elections, you know, we've had presidents Barack Obama, Joe Biden,
Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris have all been in churches and
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endorsed from the pulpit by candidates and not so much
as a peep of the I R S.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
There.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
There is a there is a kind of bias, uh,
prejudicial enforcement of of this standard. It's been relaxed for
some and I would just say, I would go, you know,
there's been many churches so called for decades that have
operated like n G O s and they've been the
(45:46):
sort of the organizing mechanism for the left, bussing to
on voting day and ballot harvesting and other kinds of
of things. Uh, but they've they've enjoyed very relaxed standards.
The I R S never been prejudicial in terms of
their enforcement there. But when it comes to conservative churches,
absolutely the one that that is at at a top
(46:08):
of mind, a friend of yours and a friend of
mine is Gary Hamrick at Cornerstone Chapel.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
He's been harassed by the RS. He has prevailed uh
you know in in those uh those different audits that
have come. I know that John MacArthur and there's been
others Franklin Graham has been audited as well.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
And they have prevailed largely because they've had pristine record keeping.
They are above the fray when it comes to adherence
to the law. Strict adherence to uh, you know, the
codification of the law. But uh, but to your point, Uh,
Kamala Harris. Uh was in the in the Commonwealth of
(46:47):
Virginia where I am broadcasting from, was able during a
campaign to speak before three hundred churches, liberal left lean churches,
and as long as they were supporting the correct candidate,
the r US did nothing to oppose that.
Speaker 8 (47:04):
Yeah, that's right, and that if you look back at that,
look at the youtubes of those a lot of those
pastors came out and directly endorsed her candidacy there. But look,
you take this back, Ryan, and this real issue here
is about the government stepping in between pastors and the
(47:25):
pastor's conscience, the word of God, and their call before God.
And that that is exactly what the First Amendment was
meant to prohibit and protect the church against. Was the
government getting in between that because as you know, pastors
have a called a calling to preach the word of God,
(47:48):
and that's the full counsel of God. So to talk
about those issues that are important, uh to them as
pastors in shepherding guiding their flocks, and so that's what
we really stepped in here. That's one of the reasons.
So it's you know, really had a as you said,
it's had an effect on pastors. Yeah, they're worried about
(48:10):
the repercussions to their flocks, not just themselves or their church,
but to their congregations because it's the congregations that lose
out here. They're the ones that lose the tax deductible
piece of this. It's not really the church itself.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Yeah, that's absolutely right. We just have just a few
more minutes. And I wanted to I'd be remiss if
I didn't mention this. You at NRB and George Barnett
the Barney Group have done research on this and it's
a very important study. A report that has come out
just the influence that Christian broadcasting has, particularly in this
(48:47):
current environment we find ourselves in in twenty twenty five.
We have more platforms of communication today than we ever
have before since the advent of the radio. And I
just wanted to talk about the influence that Christians can
have in the public square.
Speaker 8 (49:04):
Yeah, Ryan, this was a really exciting survey. We did
this looking at what the impact of Christian media is having,
and we specifically wanted to know the impact outside of
your own local church and we ask these questions. We
ask people, don't consider your local pastor sermons or Christian
media in this And right off the bat, the big
(49:26):
number was sixty percent of the general population. That's the
general population of the US, not just Christian population, but
the US the broad US population tunes into some form
of Christian media on a regular basis. That was huge
to think about how many people across this country are
(49:48):
really tuning in, really listening to searching out Christian media
to help them in their everyday lives.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Thank you so much, Troy Miller, President and CEO of NRB.
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 8 (50:02):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
For more encouragement and to stay connected. Follow doctor Tim
Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We love being a
part of your life.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Hey, thank you for watching Sunday The Road Forward. Doctor
Adrian Rogers once said, as the West goes, so goes
the world. As America goes, so goes the West. As
Christianity goes, so goes America. As evangelicals go, so goes Christianity.
He said this, I'm firmly convinced that if we could
(50:43):
clean up the pulpits of America, we'd go a long
way to cleaning up America. Let's pray for revival and
for revival to begin in our churches and our pulpits
across the nation. I'll leave you on that note until
next time. God bless you, Maade by God, God
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