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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Sunday, September twenty eighth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to
Real America's Voice News. This is Sunday the Road Forward.
This past week, the nation watched as Charlie Kirk's life
was remembered and honored. The country witnessed goodness and beauty,
where in the wake of senseless violence and politicized killing,
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the right chose not to riot, but instead to worship
the One True and Living God. Worship is our weapon,
and its power was felt all across the nation and
around the world. We have the most powerful leaders of
the most powerful country on the planet proclaiming the gospel
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of Christ's lordship and salvation. There's truly no better picture
of Romans Chapter eight, verse twenty eight. And that's our
scripture reading this morning. All things God works together for
the good of those who love Him and who are
called according to His purpose. As always, we want to
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be an encouragement and a source of comfort for our
listeners and our viewers to hold fast to the Gospel
of Jesus Christ and the unchanging Word of God. I'm
Ryan helphin Bay and I'll be filling in for doctor
Tim Clinton. I'll be your host. Today on the show,
we have doctor Zach Clinton, Amy Robbins, William Wolfe, and
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Virgil Walker.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
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Speaker 3 (01:46):
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Speaker 1 (02:13):
Joining us now is doctor Zach Clinton, who is actually
at the American Association of Christian Counselor's World Conference at
the Gaylord Opryland Resort in Nashville. Doctor Zach Clinton, Welcome.
It's great to see you, sir Ryan, my friend.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Thank you so much for having me. I'm looking forward
to just joining you. I'm telling you, God is doing
something special in this place you mentioned at Gaylord Operland Hotel, Nashville, Tennessee,
twenty twenty five United World Conference, seven thousand pastors, counselors, coaches, clinicians,
Strong God, His presence has fallen all over this place
and our hope in prayer. I was talking to my
dad just last night about this. What do we hope
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that people walk away with? It wouldn't be that they
rejoice in what happened here, but it would be that
they rejoice and who God is. They can walk away
with a better understanding of who he is. I think
that we've done our job.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
A men, I would be remissed. You know, so much
of what the nation is still thinking about, you know,
still fresh on the impression on the minds of young
people everywhere. Is what transpired last week at the National
Memorial there for Charles James Kirk, a friend of yours,
a friend of mine, a friend of so many and
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your father and I we were there, were there many
of our friends with the National Faith Advisory Board and
with Turning Point Turning Point Faith, the Standing for Freedom Center.
We had many fellows in those early days when we
were starting this organization with Charlie Kirk. Just your thoughts,
your impression about what you saw, what you think the
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nation is feeling right now in the wake of this
sort of this tragic moment, but also a pivotal moment,
a turning point. Many people are calling it right now.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah. You know, I heard somebody say that maybe Charlie
didn't understand why he named a turning point up front,
but it was almost prophetic in nature, because I do
believe that this is a turning point in our nation.
I think we've seen this over the last year or
two as well. Yes, there's a mental health disaster that
we're in. That's kind of why we gather to continue
to train and counsel and equip all of these mental
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health experts around the globe. But also there's a hunger
for holiness. There's a bit of revival going on. And
what we saw on Sunday to see an administration that
was bold enough to present the Gospel every single one
of them in some way, shape or form, I don't
know if I ever would have seen that across my lifetime.
It's sad that it had to happen in the way
that it did. And I'll say this, Charlie, like you mentioned,
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was a friend to all of us. And Charlie is
somebody who unwaveringly was devoted to standing on truth, and
truth can be offensive sometimes, and I just want to
remind people that while fear is contagious, so is faith.
Billy Graham says this that courage is contagious when a
brave man takes his stand as fines of others are
often stiff, and I think that we're being that. My
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prayer for the church, though, is that it wouldn't just
be an upscale in voices, but that we would choose
to live an example of what it means to be
more like Christ. And because that's what I think Charlie
Kirk really lived by it.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
He absolutely did.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
And you know, it's interesting you had mentioned Charlie naming
it turning point and not maybe fully understanding why. But
in the full providence of God, in the unfolding of time,
it became clear that Charlie would be the catalyst for
a turning point. You know, on Sunday, the nation was
united in the name of Jesus Christ, the name that
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is above every name. I'm seeing people who are not
Christians making declarations of faith and of trust in Jesus
Christ in the Gospel, which is fantastic. People were united.
Your theme, the theme of your conference right now for
these seven thousand Christian councilors is united. Wow, what are
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the odds of that? This is a unified brother? So
why did you pick that title?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
You know, hear this, a lot of people will say, well,
they probably chose it because of what's happened over the
last couple of weeks. This title of being united actually
was brought about back in twenty twenty two. So all
of like the graphics. All of the themes are decided
years in advance as we pray over what we believe
that God wants that theme to be and again, in
his divine providence, he wanted that theme to be right here,
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right now, for such a time as this, And there
couldn't be a better theme because we have people from
all over again with different belief systems, but at the
same time, one thing that we have in common is
the name of Jesus Christ that we are going to
advocate for, that we're going to provide awareness of, and
that we're going to continue to give access to in
this line of mental health care. And so what it
means to be united to me is simply this that
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there is honestly power in partnership. There's comfort and couraging community,
and that resilience is rooted in relationship. When we stand together,
we simply stand stronger.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
A man, you know, you've got a lot lot of
things going on that AACC is a critical partner in.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
That includes the White House, that includes.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Many of the cabinet secretaries, agencies in the federal government.
I wanted to kind of touch on some of these
things right now. Programs that are coming out I know
about walking Worthy and some of these other things, so
I would love to just kind of extrapolate on what
those things are.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Absolutely, so two big ones that stick out to me
are Walkworthy and then helping our heroes flourish campaign walk
Worthy though. First, dear friend of mine Joshua Brum who
has a testimony as it relates to pornography and sexual addiction,
actually working in that industry, building his way up to
becoming Performer of the Year over a thousand films in
the adult film industry, was radically transformed by the good
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News of the Gospel. Now for the last decade he's
devoted his life to helping people seek and find help
when it comes to sexual purity and integrity. So this
is a new and initiative and division of ours at
the AACC. One of the greatest issues in the church,
you know this Ryan is pornography, sexual addiction. So it
is we help equip resources for the church to do
that very thing. Helping our heroes flourish is really around
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helping those who risk it all and put themselves on
the line each and every day. For our veterans, our
first responders active due to active duty military and their families.
How can we train up in army of clinicians and
coaches to provide the resource and shrink the gap between
those seeking help in those offering christ centered biblical care
two great ideals.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I do want to touch a touch on this because
you know you you being a biblically trained counselor understanding
the science also behind how the human mind works, right,
there's some intricacies there. Often times we hear about post
traumatic stress disorder, it's a syndrome. Tell us a little
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bit about that. I mean, I think I think people
people are becoming increasingly more aware of what it.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Is it's impact.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
But if these guys are on the front lines, I mean,
I'm thinking about people who are in combat situations, but
then also first responders, people that are facing mass shooter events.
We're talking about natural disasters, fires where there's a dramatic
loss of life, similar to the floods that happened in
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the Hill country of Texas where we had hundreds of
people who we lost and never recovered. How big is
PTSD when it comes to the mental health field?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
PTSD is massive, Brian. I think the reality is that
trauma has almost become a buzzword in culture and society.
People will say that anything that they experience is traumatic
in some way, shape or the form. But being able
to realize what trauma does. Trauma really almost compartmentalizes the brain,
and sometimes it puts us in this state of implicit
memory where it's like when we're experienced with something, when
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we're triggered in some way, shape or form, what ends
up happening is it's not like we're just remembering a moment.
It's almost like we're re experiencing that moment all over
again in this particular time. Vander Kulk has an incredible
book on trauma called The Body Keeps the Score the
brain mind body connection and so providing opportunity for people
to come so learn how to experience, explore, and express
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their emotions, to unpackage trauma because if we don't process it,
it will resurface later in life. And so not suppress
it or not repress it, but to process it and
to express it in a more meaningful way. As we
do that in relationship, I think that's how we'll see
kind of a detox of trauma in our world today.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Absolutely tell us a little bit too. Curriculum. There is a.
You have a global center at Liberty University right now
on human flourishing, and so I just if you wanted
to speak into that a little bit, I'd love to
hear more about that.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yes, well, keep flourishing something that I wrote my dissertation
around it. But I'll tell you that it's not new age.
It's not something that just came up with last year.
This goes all the way back to ancient Biblical times.
In the Old Testament it was referred to as Shalom wholeness, peace, unity,
and the New Testament machiros blessedness, the abundant life. So
this is something that God designed for his people. Now,
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pain and distractions and the devil he's been doing the
same things, the same tactics from the very beginning, delusion, destruction,
deception to deter and distract us from God's original design
for creation and children. But can we train up an
army of people. That's why we came out with the
Human Flourishing Coaching program to remind people it's not just
about preventing human suffering. It's about promoting things like flourishing,
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like resilience, so no matter what we go through, we
might be able to define it as good and push
ourselves in the right direction each and every day.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Okay, final thing before a sendoff, Doctor Zach Clinton. Favorite
Bible verse for us today.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
My favorite Bible verse that I've been reflecting on right
now in this season. Firstessalonians four Versus eleven to twelve.
To make it your aim or ambition to live a
quiet life, minding your own business, working with their hands,
just as you've been instructed, why so that you might
win the respective outsiders and not grow dependent on anybody.
I spent a lot of time in my life, Brian,
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trying to be first. But you know what, the more
I reflect on God's word, I just want to be
found faithful. So that's been the verse I've been reflecting.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
On a men. I love it. I'm thinking that.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I think Phil Robertson loved that verse as well Duck
Dynasty and often reflected on it, you know. And brother,
I think that is a good word. Living out your
life faithfully for Christ, for his kingdom, but in a
way that is not always out there front and center
banging a gong, aspired to the quiet life.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Amen, Well, doctor Zach Clinton, thank you so much. For
joining us this morning, and God bless you. God speed
sir as you continue in this conference.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
God bless you.
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Speaker 4 (13:05):
So grateful for you, my friend.
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commentator on Real America's Voice News. Amy's so good to
see you.
Speaker 8 (15:06):
Hey, Ryan, It's great to be here with you.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I you know, this is the week after, you know,
we memorialized Charlie Kirk, somebody who you knew, you, you know,
Erica Kirk. We're all still in shock about what happened
on September the tenth. You've known Charlie for many years.
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You've been a close friend, a turning point You've participated,
you know, even as an influencer with Turning Point and
been a part of many events going all the way
back to we hosted you at Liberty University. But I
think what we say back in twenty nineteen, when we
started at that time what was going to be the
Standing for Freedom Center, you were all you were a
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part of that, and I just you know, for many
viewers listeners who things have kind of settled.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Sure, this is the new normal.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
You know what the what our country looks like with
you know, Charlie's influence has grown larger than we could
ever imagined it would. And you know, Erica, she gave
a brave and bold speech at the memorial. I can't imagine.
You're a wife and a mother, what did it mean
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to you to hear her say those words that she
forgives that man who took her husband's life.
Speaker 9 (16:35):
It buckled me, like I think it did everybody in
that crowd, because I think at that point I had
to wrestle with my own flesh to say, how in
the world can this lady this happened to her husband
be forgiving him.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
And here I am, I haven't even gotten.
Speaker 9 (16:52):
To that point, Yeat, And you know it was it
was just such a beautiful, powerful moment. The only way
that she was able to do that was because of
the power of God, because of Christ and her life,
and because of her relationship with Him. I mean, there's
really no other way to describe it. And I try
to put myself in those shoes, and I said, you know,
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God always equips the people that he calls, and he
has obviously called her for such a time as this
to this new position, this new role with turning Point.
But it was just so powerful to see the messages
that I've been receiving afterwards of people saying like, I
don't know what that is, but I want that. I
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want whatever in my life she has in her life
that gave her the power and the ability to forgive.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
Somebody so quickly.
Speaker 9 (17:43):
So it's turned into some amazing conversations about the Gospel.
You know, I think I reached out to you afterwards
because I was getting flooded with messages from people saying
I have now decided to turn back to Christ or
to turn to Christ, and they've never had any.
Speaker 8 (17:58):
Religious background where I go from here.
Speaker 9 (18:01):
And so it's been this really amazing neat opportunity to
start to be disciples and start leading and pointing people
in a direction where they can actually grow in their
walk with Christ.
Speaker 8 (18:13):
And I got to tell you, I never.
Speaker 9 (18:15):
In a million years would have thought that we would
see a revival like this, not only in our country,
but around the entire world.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Ay Man.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
You know, in his life Charlie reached millions, and his
death hundreds of millions. Only God can take something that
wicked and make in turn.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
It for the good.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
It does not take away from the sting, or the pain,
or the sense of tremendous loss. It is not a
good thing that Charlie died. It's not a good thing
that he was assassinated by a transgender activist. It's not
a good thing that Erica is not a widow. It's
not a good thing that two children lost their their
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dear those are none of those things are good. But
in spite of all of that, in spite of the tragedy,
God can work it for the ultimate good. And and
I think we're seeing little like you just said, little
echoes and whispers of that that people are coming forward
and stepping out in faith for the first time. And
it's activated something in people's minds and in their hearts
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where they're saying, I want to know, just like you said,
I want to know how it is that that woman
could say that on that stage. You know, it means
something when when what was was most precious to her,
her husband, her children's father, was ripped from her life,
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and she could say that that's not just rhetoric. You
have to be moved beyond your own heart. It has
to be supernatural.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
Well I can't, I kept thinking too.
Speaker 9 (19:58):
So as she was speaking, she was really keying in
on the message about biblical womanhood, biblical manhood where.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
The family goes from here. And I said, mark my words,
Erica will be her own leader.
Speaker 9 (20:12):
And I bet she takes this direction of like reinstilling
family and what a better like?
Speaker 8 (20:21):
I cannot think of.
Speaker 9 (20:22):
A better person to get the message across about biblical womanhood.
I mean, like what biblical femininity means, what that role
of a wife means. It's just like hearing it outside
of the church is just very different. Having somebody like
Erica who has the accomplishments that she's had, but was
also the wife of Charlie Kirk, who you know, she
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was such amazing support to him. It is like to
hear the words from her talk about what a biblical
woman should look like and that role. I honestly think
it is going to transform women across this entire country.
And I was convicted in my own heart. I know
so many other women were as well. And I'm like,
I just cannot wait to see what she does with
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championing the family and the biblical roles.
Speaker 8 (21:10):
For manhood and womanhood moving forward. I think it's going
to be pretty spectacular.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Amen, you hit the nail in the head. This is
God's calling, I believe on Erica's life, one that she
didn't know on September the ninth, but here we are,
and so she's wearing a new kind of crown. Yeah,
she was crowned a beauty queen, but my goodness, her
biblical breadth and depth and you know, ever since I
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met Erica in twenty nineteen, Erica Franz Fay, and she
was a deeply devoted follower of Christ, somebody who had
a daily Bible study, and not just for herself, but
she was writing Bible study material for anyone who had
not been engaged, you know, in the text. And she's
just trying to get the Bible out there. Yes, Uless,
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you married Charlie.
Speaker 9 (22:01):
I know at the same time. When I met her,
they weren't even married yet. It was at that event
at Liberty, and she just impressed me so much with
how kind, how genuine, how smart. And then I followed
her Bible three sixty five. She was encouraging people, trying
to take people who you know, reading the entire Bible
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can be very overwhelming. I would say, there's probably not
a large majority of people that have read through the
entire Bible, and she wanted to make that very practical
and digestible for people.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
So she started this whole group, this.
Speaker 9 (22:33):
App that helped walk people through the Bible in three
hundred and sixty five days, I mean, and she was
doing all of this. I think she started that even
before they got married, and obviously it grew. But I
just remember seeing as she did get married and grow
in that role with Charlie, how things started to transform
at Turning Point.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
I always knew there was an underlying faith component to.
Speaker 9 (22:58):
Turning Point was you know, pushing them in their political beliefs,
but they really started to vamp it up.
Speaker 8 (23:04):
And as she was.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
Leading prayer breakfast at YWLS and America Fest and you know,
and so you started to really see this shift on
them really moving to be more faith based and to
be more vocal, I would say, on their faith and
to say the name Jesus Christ. And I have to
say that that was probably one of the most touching
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moments to me about his memorial when you have the
most powerful people in the world all saying the name
of Jesus Christ, and it just made me think of
that verse that one day every knee will bow, every
tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. And I said, man,
you've got the Vice President of the United States of
America saying that he has now inspired more to say
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the name of Jesus.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
Like, where are we ever going? I don't know if we.
Speaker 9 (23:52):
Will ever see anything like this ever again. So you
can't help but get energized in, you know, the move
moving forward. I know for myself, people say.
Speaker 8 (24:02):
Well, where do we go from here? What do we do?
And I'm like, well, keep doing what you're doing, Just
do more of it.
Speaker 9 (24:07):
If you've got a platform to speak the name of Jesus,
do it.
Speaker 8 (24:12):
If you are just.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
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Speaker 5 (24:31):
Joining me now is Virgil Walker.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Virgil is a contributor and writer with the Standing for
Freedom Center. He's also co host of the Just Thinking podcast,
author of numerous books.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Virgil, Welcome to study the Road Forward. Great to see you.
Speaker 10 (24:44):
Oh it's good to be with you, Ryan. Thanks for
having me.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I know you were with me just last week last
Sunday in Phoenix, honoring paying tribute to the life of
Charlie Kirk. Certainly there to ultimately exalt the name that
is above every name, the name at which every niche
about tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the
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glory of God the Father. We're there to exalt Jesus.
There's a turning point that has come, I think in
the United States. But the question right now that looms
large among many evangelicals that have been watching, I think,
some with hope, some with frustration about what we've seen
in the evangelical world going all the way back to
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twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen, social justice theory, critical race theory,
all this stuff kind of going into the large denominations,
the PCA, the Southern Baptist convention. Think about what happened
in COVID, the Floyd you know, riots that were happening
all across the country, BLM, all of that. The question
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is this a turning point for evangelicalism? And I think
this is the thesis and everybody's asking it. You and
I have talked about it.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Which way is it? Keller? Is it Tim Keller?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Is it more this cultural engagement kind of thing, or
is it a new kind of paradigm, one that's been
with us actually for a really long time, but one
that has been dismissed by the intelligentsia of the evangelical world,
and that is Charlie Kirk. You know Charlie Kirk, which
is a kind of robust conservative political engagement that is
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no holds barred when it comes to truth, any topic,
nothing is off limits. We'll talk about any political issue.
Oh yeah, and we'll take a strong position and we'll
give you the gospel.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
How about that? How about them apples? What's going on?
In your view? Is there kind of a reappraisal happening?
Speaker 11 (26:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:48):
No, I think in your opening you kind of traced
it out from you know, at twenty sixteen on and
what we saw was this slide into a more a
softening stance on issue as it relates to gender, as
it relates to ethnicity, you know, as it relates to
homosexuality and marriage, all.
Speaker 10 (27:05):
Of these issues.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
The church felt very embarrassed about declaring God's word. They
felt embarrassed about saying what God said in his word
about these subjects. And so the idea was, hey, let's
soften those stances. Let's kind of model more comfortable, you know,
a more accommodating approach to addressing these issues. And when
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that takes place, what happens is the truth ultimately gets shielded.
The truth ultimately does it come out. And so we
had the Tim Keller's that whole methodology really begun to
have impact, and we saw an inflection point with it
right around twenty twenty with George Floyd and the Social
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justice movement. What's transpired since is we've watched all the
wickedness that followed. Right, We've watched BLM take money off
of the backs of dead black men and utilize it
to buy houses in white secluded areas. We've witnessed the decay,
the absolute decay, and the ill intent of some of
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these organizations as they've siphoned off money and done and
really robbed the communities in which they claimed that they
were supporting the help. What we also witness is is
Charlie and his example, And we, like you said, this
past week, got a chance to memorialize that and think
about that and consider what he did and demonstrated for us,
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all which was to speak rightly, to speak clearly, to
speak directly based upon what God's word says about these issues,
but to do so with the compassion of of a
of a lover of God, with the compassion of someone
who loves God, who loves people and wants to be
clear about the truth. And when doing so had a
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massive impact, and we got a chance to witness it
for first hand at his memorial after his death.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Do you think, Virgil that you know I know that
there are many institutions out there that have kind of
perpetuated the false narrative.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
I mean they become the centers. You know, this is
the official position.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
We're going to pay our writers to promote these ideas
and disseminate them broadly. We're going to use the largest
pulpits in America, in the conservative evangelical world to be
kind of the bully pulpits for globalism, for wokeism, for
you know, any other kind of isms that you can name.
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Do you think that they are on their heels a
little bit? Do you think that they're going to be
in retreat. Do you think they're going to try and
pivot now and sort of accept what people now commonly understand.
Do you think there will be a paradigm shift or
do you think they're going to double down?
Speaker 10 (29:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (29:55):
No, I think these are people who have their feet
firmly planted in mid air.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (30:01):
These are people who are following the winds of change. Uh.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
And so they'll try to embrace what Charlie Kirk has done.
They'll try to embrace uh, or at least walk away.
They'll they'll begin walking away slowly kind of kind of
I think of that that that meme where the guy
kind of walks back into the bushes and kind of
high sea.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Right, Yeah, it'll be it'll be that.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
Kind of approach to all of the social justice issues
that they so proudly proclaimed previously.
Speaker 10 (30:26):
Right, what ends up happening in that instance?
Speaker 6 (30:29):
And that's kind of in our conversation days ago that
we were having that's a That's a part of my
concern is that we'll have all these people who will
be heroes, who will cape up for the cause because
they recognize that this is the winning move. The winning
move has always been the winning move. And it's not
simply because Charlie did it. It's because Christ did it.
And that is to tell the truth, be clear about
the truth, love people in the midst of it.
Speaker 10 (30:51):
But but but be a declarer of the truth.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Point to the like, point to God uh, and and
call and call people to repentance and faith and the
One true and Living God. My concern is that they'll
that they'll cape up for that cause for a season
uh and then when the when the winds of change
begin to flow, they'll begin to move in a different direction.
That's why I loved what you said the other day.
I guess I don't know if you were it was
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when you were here talking together, but you say, you
need to decide what where you're going to stand. Are
you going to live, fight and die on truth? How
are you going Are you willing to go out on
your shield?
Speaker 10 (31:27):
Is that? Are you willing to do that?
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Because that's that's what our day and our time requires,
it requires men who are willing to go out to
die on their shield, to die on the basis of truth.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yes, you're welcome to stand on this rock. You're welcome
to come to it, even if you come to it late,
but come to it just the same. If you'll come
to this rock, you're welcome to it. But you better
stand here, you better stay here, you better build here,
you better fight here, and be willing to die on
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this rock. There are a lot of people that I
think when the flood roters come, they swim over to
that rock. And when the flood waters are rising, they're
looking for the higher ground and they want to get
to it. But as soon as as soon as the
coast is clear, as soon as the danger dissipates, as
soon as tomorrow, the sun rises just the same and
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there is no more dark looming clouds, there is no
more rain. All of a sudden, those summer soldiers, those
summer what do they call them, the sunshine patriots. You know,
they go right back to what they were doing before.
They're they're not winter soldiers. And Charlie, Charlie was in
the dog days. Charlie was on campus when it was unpopular.
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There was a time when Charlie wasn't drawing those crowds.
There was a time when Charlie didn't have the fanatical
support or the social media followers.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
There were a lot of naysayers.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
There were a lot of people that were dismissing them,
even when I was telling Virgil, you know some evangelic leaders. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
But you've got to understand something. Charlie's changed on a
lot of these positions. I know, you know he took
the faithful marriage position, but he wasn't always that way
him personally. He was, but I'm just saying from a
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platform he was not going to major on let me
defend traditional marriage. There was a period of time where
he wasn't doing that, and I was trying to explain
to them, look at the content he's making, would you
consider it now? And there were a lot of people
that were dismissive and a lot of people that were
not willing to give it a fair hearing. And now
only now are they willing to pay attention. But I
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don't know if they're willing to listen in the way
of or learn in the way of Hey, maybe we
should adopt this new position final thoughts.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
What would you say to those guys.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
Today, Yeah, I'd say what you and I and others
have been saying, and that is that they need to
bow to the need the by their need to the
cross of Christ, to be consistent about the truth of
his word, the declaration of that truth to the culture,
and be willing to take whatever arrows the world sends
your way. Right, our ultimate goal is to stand on
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the foundation of God's rock, on the rock of truth,
and knowing that that regardless of the outcome, whether we
live or die, we die in the Lord.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Whether we live or whether we die, we die in
the Lord. That passage out of Romans chapter fourteen, verse
eight that rings true, and Charlie did die a witness
for the Lord. Thank you so much, Virgil for coming on.
Appreciate all you're doing at Redeemer out there, Redeemer Church
there in Gilbert, Arizona, and certainly for the Standing for
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Freedom Center.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Thank you for joining us today.
Speaker 10 (34:46):
Thanks for having me man.
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Speaker 1 (36:45):
Joining me now is William Wolfe. William is the executive
director of the Center for Baptist Leadership, as well as
a contributor to the Stating for Freedom Center.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
William, Welcome to Sunday the Road Forward. Great to see you.
Speaker 11 (36:58):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Ryan, I was with you just last Sunday. It's been
a week. It's amazing how much can change in a week.
I think the nation and particularly the evangelical world has
been rocked by the assassination the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk,
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who we lost on September the tenth. You know, it's interesting, William,
in the sort of the twist of it all. And
I haven't really talked about this much, but just I
think about all the vitriol, the hatred, the celebration sort
of in the aftermath of all of this. I mean,
everyone from Jimmy Kimmel to even people like David Brooks,
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so called conservative commentator at the New York Times. Everybody
kind of finding a way to excuse their hatred, their animosity,
their antipathy towards Charlie and what he represented. I think
there is a moment right now where Christians and Conservatives
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need to understand the art of pursuit. We're grateful for
Erica Kirk, her courage in her heart of forgiveness. It's
not up to Erica to wield the sword. It's up
to the state. It's not up to Erica to vindicate
her husband. She gives that to the Lord, but it's
up to us. I believe as Christians, of people of
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faith and a people of goodwill, to see to it
that evil does not go unpunished. And I believe wholeheartedly
William that isn't just those who committed the crime, it's
those who celebrate the loss of life.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
Those people should not go unpunished.
Speaker 11 (38:45):
Yeah, I agree entirely, Ryan. It was a wonderful, powerful
service out there in Phoenix, Arizona last Sunday. But we
are in a very perilous time, a precarious time. I
know that it's been about two and a half weeks now,
and you can't do things immediately, but the left keeps coming.
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We've seen now an attack on an ice facility is
since the assassination of Charlie Kirk and other left wing
violent attacks, and this is a problem we have to
take seriously and put an end to because the left
will not listen to our words because they think our
words are violence, and they are meeting that with their
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own violence.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 8 (39:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Since September the tenth, I counted five active shooter events,
all perpetrated by leftists, all perpetrated. You know, we've heard
oftentimes that both sides kind of argument. Both sides have
their violence, both sides have their vitriol, both sides have
their assassins. I'm not seeing that, William. I'm seeing this
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as a one sided kind of issue. There is a
side that celebrates and champions and promotes life. There's a
side that seeks to still kill and destroy from life.
It's called the culture of death. When it comes to say,
people like Jimmy Kimmel from his platform, trying to turn
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this into some kind of joke. And notice, Jimmy Kimmel
would never dare make fun of those on the left,
even even at the you know, even at the slightest
faux pas public you know, mistakes that they would make
the Biden administration. I'm thinking of Kamala Harris and Joe
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Biden tripping down a set of stairs. Things like that.
Would not take an opportunity to ever jab but in
the in the worst moment, would would would seek to
poke fun through this tragedy at Charlie Kirk, at President Trump,
at those around the country to make fun of. He
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was essentially censored. He was given an ultimatum. He was
then anseled by the parent company of ABC, Disney Bob
Eye Girl of that, and then subsequently they wanted to
put him back on. Were it not for Sinclair broadcasting
in the syndication channels, he would be broadcast all throughout
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the country. What are your thoughts to that?
Speaker 11 (41:19):
Yeah, I mean my thoughts are that the left plays
hardball and the right rolls over over and over and
over again. And that's part of the reason while we
are in the mess that we are in. I'm thankful
that Sinclair held their ground. But Jimmy Kimmel is back,
and if you saw the reaction, this is what was
really remarkable. The media, the Democrats, the left, the whole
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institutional left in America cared far more that a failing
unfunny late night hosts suffered legitimate consequences for his speech
than they did that Charlie Kirk's life was taken from
him for his which shows you this is not a
bull size problem. The left essentially has monopoly on political
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violence in America, and they're not at all afraid to
use force to get their way, even when they're trying
to boost somebody as terrible as Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Yeah, how do you see what is the way forward?
Speaker 1 (42:14):
And so obviously we can fold our hands, we can
shake our heads, we can be shocked, we can be
agitated by this. But what do you what would you
say in terms of a conservative base that's out there,
a Christian evangelical base, one that that can absolutely get
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up off the couch, can absolutely get out into the
public arena, and can do things that are constructive, do
things that are strategic, do things that would secure a victory.
What are some action steps that you might suggest even
this morning.
Speaker 11 (42:51):
Sure, I mean this is one of the most basic
things you can ever do. But Christians, Evangelicals, conservatives of
all stripes across America should be burning down the phone
lines of their elected representatives, state, local, and federal saying,
do something to protect us because it's getting dangerous out there.
It's getting violent out there, and the right our Republican
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leaders need to act swiftly and seriously to protect American
citizens from left wing terrorism in this country. So make calls, pray,
rally if you can and where you can, but we
need to demand action in particular.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
You know, it's interesting. I was with Charlie Kirk just
a few days before he died. I was in South
Korea and we were speaking to a group of young conservatives, Christians,
those who love America, love freedom. They want religious liberty,
they want freedom of conscience, conscientious protection rights, all of that,
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the right to free assembly, the right to a free press.
Much of the media that they receive from the United
States is essentially the Deep State exported. It's those that
are friendly what we call the Enamedia, CNN, MSNBC, those
types of propagated platforms are being pumped in and Charlie
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was speaking courage to them. And one of the interesting
things I will say about South Korea, of all the things,
they're not getting everything right right now. There's a lot
of concern about freedom and free and fair elections. But
one of the things that Charlie noticed is, Wow, it
looks like crime is really a choice. And when we
say that, I were like, oh yeah, the choice for
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citizens not to commit crime. No, no, no, no, not just that,
the choice for those in authority, those that have legal
authority and jurisdiction, the choice of them to adjudicate to
prosecute crime. We let a lot of crime go unpunished,
Irena Zerutzka as a prime example. This is one of
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those things that we need to see some bold action.
I got about one more minute, But what's your response
to that? In terms of the United States right now,
it's almost like it's one of the largest outdoor shooting ranges.
Speaker 5 (45:15):
Yeah, you're exactly right.
Speaker 11 (45:16):
Crime is a choice. The questions in front of us
are not difficult or complicated or complex policy questions. They're
ones of political will. And the American people elected Donald
Trump to make this country great again and to make
it safe again. And I'll put it like this, the
left is essentially at this point in America like a
spoiled braddy, violent child having a temper tantrum. They will
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not listen to you saying please stop. We need the government,
not private citizens. The government to use their force that
they are tasked to use by us and by God
to put an end to this, because that's the only
way that it will come to an end.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah, I one hundred percent agree. It is for the
government Romans Chapter thirteen to not wield the sword in vain,
to promote public righteousness, to promote the good, to promote
beautiful and true, but to also be a terror to evildoers.
They need to be afraid of the sword of justice
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that is absolutely sorely needed in the United States today.
William Well, thank you so much for all you're doing
at the Center for Baptist Leadership and for jumping on
Sunday The Road Forward this morning.
Speaker 5 (46:26):
God bless you.
Speaker 10 (46:27):
Thanks Ryan.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
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Speaker 1 (46:47):
Hey, thank you for watching Sunday The Road Forward. As
we bring this time to a close, let's not forget
the truth that anchors us all In all things, Yes,
all things, God works for the good of those who
love Him and who are called according to His purpose.
That means, even in the face of darkness, even when
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evil seems to advance. Even when the battle feels overwhelming,
God is still moving, he's still working, and he's still
accomplishing his plan. Evil wants us silent, evil wants us fearful.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
But the people of.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
God are not called to shrink back. We are called
to stand, to speak, to shine light into the shadows,
and to proclaim that the victory is already one because
it belongs to Jesus. Every trial is temporary, every scheme
of the enemy will fail, and every faithful act of
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courage echoes into eternity. Where do we go from here?
Remember this, The war between good and evil is real,
but our God has won the victory. Walk boldly, live faithfully,
and never forget.
Speaker 5 (48:04):
Who is on your side. Until next time, God bless you.
It's Sunday, September twenty eighth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to
Real America's Voice News. This is Sunday the Road Forward.
This past week, the nation watched as Charlie Kirk's life
was remembered and honored. The country witnessed goodness and beauty,
where in the wake of senseless violence and politicized killing,
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the right chose not to riot, but instead to worship
the One True and Living God. Worship is our weapon,
and its power was felt all across the nation and
around the world. We have the most powerful leaders of
the most powerful country on the planet proclaiming the gospel
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of Christ's lordship and salvation. There's truly no better picture
of Romans Chapter eight, verse twenty eight. And that's our
scripture reading this morning. All things God works together for
the good of those who love Him and who are
called according to His purpose. As always, we want to
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be an encouragement and a source of comfort for our
listeners and our viewers to hold fast to the Gospel
of Jesus Christ and the unchanging Word of God. I'm
Ryan helphin Bay and I'll be filling in for doctor
Tim Clinton. I'll be your host. Today on the show,
we have doctor Zach Clinton, Amy Robbins, William Wolfe, and
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Virgil Walker.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
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Speaker 1 (02:13):
Joining us now is doctor Zach Clinton, who is actually
at the American Association of Christian Counselor's World Conference at
the Gaylord Opryland Resort in Nashville. Doctor Zach Clinton, Welcome.
It's great to see you, sir Ryan, my friend.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Thank you so much for having me. I'm looking forward
to just joining you. I'm telling you, God is doing
something special in this place you mentioned at Gaylord Operland Hotel, Nashville, Tennessee,
twenty twenty five United World Conference, seven thousand pastors, counselors, coaches, clinicians,
Strong God, His presence has fallen all over this place
and our hope in prayer. I was talking to my
dad just last night about this. What do we hope
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that people walk away with? It wouldn't be that they
rejoice in what happened here, but it would be that
they rejoice and who God is. They can walk away
with a better understanding of who he is. I think
that we've done our job.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
A men, I would be remissed. You know, so much
of what the nation is still thinking about, you know,
still fresh on the impression on the minds of young
people everywhere. Is what transpired last week at the National
Memorial there for Charles James Kirk, a friend of yours,
a friend of mine, a friend of so many and
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your father and I we were there, were there many
of our friends with the National Faith Advisory Board and
with Turning Point Turning Point Faith, the Standing for Freedom Center.
We had many fellows in those early days when we
were starting this organization with Charlie Kirk. Just your thoughts,
your impression about what you saw, what you think the
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nation is feeling right now in the wake of this
sort of this tragic moment, but also a pivotal moment,
a turning point. Many people are calling it right now.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah. You know, I heard somebody say that maybe Charlie
didn't understand why he named a turning point up front,
but it was almost prophetic in nature, because I do
believe that this is a turning point in our nation.
I think we've seen this over the last year or
two as well. Yes, there's a mental health disaster that
we're in. That's kind of why we gather to continue
to train and counsel and equip all of these mental
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health experts around the globe. But also there's a hunger
for holiness. There's a bit of revival going on. And
what we saw on Sunday to see an administration that
was bold enough to present the Gospel every single one
of them in some way, shape or form, I don't
know if I ever would have seen that across my lifetime.
It's sad that it had to happen in the way
that it did. And I'll say this, Charlie, like you mentioned,
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was a friend to all of us. And Charlie is
somebody who unwaveringly was devoted to standing on truth, and
truth can be offensive sometimes, and I just want to
remind people that while fear is contagious, so is faith.
Billy Graham says this that courage is contagious when a
brave man takes his stand as fines of others are
often stiff, and I think that we're being that. My
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prayer for the church, though, is that it wouldn't just
be an upscale in voices, but that we would choose
to live an example of what it means to be
more like Christ. And because that's what I think Charlie
Kirk really lived by it.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
He absolutely did.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
And you know, it's interesting you had mentioned Charlie naming
it turning point and not maybe fully understanding why. But
in the full providence of God, in the unfolding of time,
it became clear that Charlie would be the catalyst for
a turning point. You know, on Sunday, the nation was
united in the name of Jesus Christ, the name that
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is above every name. I'm seeing people who are not
Christians making declarations of faith and of trust in Jesus
Christ in the Gospel, which is fantastic. People were united.
Your theme, the theme of your conference right now for
these seven thousand Christian councilors is united. Wow, what are
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the odds of that? This is a unified brother? So
why did you pick that title?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
You know, hear this, a lot of people will say, well,
they probably chose it because of what's happened over the
last couple of weeks. This title of being united actually
was brought about back in twenty twenty two. So all
of like the graphics. All of the themes are decided
years in advance as we pray over what we believe
that God wants that theme to be and again, in
his divine providence, he wanted that theme to be right here,
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right now, for such a time as this, And there
couldn't be a better theme because we have people from
all over again with different belief systems, but at the
same time, one thing that we have in common is
the name of Jesus Christ that we are going to
advocate for, that we're going to provide awareness of, and
that we're going to continue to give access to in
this line of mental health care. And so what it
means to be united to me is simply this that
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there is honestly power in partnership. There's comfort and couraging community,
and that resilience is rooted in relationship. When we stand together,
we simply stand stronger.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
A man, you know, you've got a lot lot of
things going on that AACC is a critical partner in.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
That includes the White House, that includes.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Many of the cabinet secretaries, agencies in the federal government.
I wanted to kind of touch on some of these
things right now. Programs that are coming out I know
about walking Worthy and some of these other things, so
I would love to just kind of extrapolate on what
those things are.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Absolutely, so two big ones that stick out to me
are Walkworthy and then helping our heroes flourish campaign walk
Worthy though. First, dear friend of mine Joshua Brum who
has a testimony as it relates to pornography and sexual addiction,
actually working in that industry, building his way up to
becoming Performer of the Year over a thousand films in
the adult film industry, was radically transformed by the good
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News of the Gospel. Now for the last decade he's
devoted his life to helping people seek and find help
when it comes to sexual purity and integrity. So this
is a new and initiative and division of ours at
the AACC. One of the greatest issues in the church,
you know this Ryan is pornography, sexual addiction. So it
is we help equip resources for the church to do
that very thing. Helping our heroes flourish is really around
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helping those who risk it all and put themselves on
the line each and every day. For our veterans, our
first responders active due to active duty military and their families.
How can we train up in army of clinicians and
coaches to provide the resource and shrink the gap between
those seeking help in those offering christ centered biblical care
two great ideals.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I do want to touch a touch on this because
you know you you being a biblically trained counselor understanding
the science also behind how the human mind works, right,
there's some intricacies there. Often times we hear about post
traumatic stress disorder, it's a syndrome. Tell us a little
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bit about that. I mean, I think I think people
people are becoming increasingly more aware of what it.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Is it's impact.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
But if these guys are on the front lines, I mean,
I'm thinking about people who are in combat situations, but
then also first responders, people that are facing mass shooter events.
We're talking about natural disasters, fires where there's a dramatic
loss of life, similar to the floods that happened in
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the Hill country of Texas where we had hundreds of
people who we lost and never recovered. How big is
PTSD when it comes to the mental health field?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
PTSD is massive, Brian. I think the reality is that
trauma has almost become a buzzword in culture and society.
People will say that anything that they experience is traumatic
in some way, shape or the form. But being able
to realize what trauma does. Trauma really almost compartmentalizes the brain,
and sometimes it puts us in this state of implicit
memory where it's like when we're experienced with something, when
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we're triggered in some way, shape or form, what ends
up happening is it's not like we're just remembering a moment.
It's almost like we're re experiencing that moment all over
again in this particular time. Vander Kulk has an incredible
book on trauma called The Body Keeps the Score the
brain mind body connection and so providing opportunity for people
to come so learn how to experience, explore, and express
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their emotions, to unpackage trauma because if we don't process it,
it will resurface later in life. And so not suppress
it or not repress it, but to process it and
to express it in a more meaningful way. As we
do that in relationship, I think that's how we'll see
kind of a detox of trauma in our world today.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Absolutely tell us a little bit too. Curriculum. There is a.
You have a global center at Liberty University right now
on human flourishing, and so I just if you wanted
to speak into that a little bit, I'd love to
hear more about that.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yes, well, keep flourishing something that I wrote my dissertation
around it. But I'll tell you that it's not new age.
It's not something that just came up with last year.
This goes all the way back to ancient Biblical times.
In the Old Testament it was referred to as Shalom wholeness, peace, unity,
and the New Testament machiros blessedness, the abundant life. So
this is something that God designed for his people. Now,
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pain and distractions and the devil he's been doing the
same things, the same tactics from the very beginning, delusion, destruction,
deception to deter and distract us from God's original design
for creation and children. But can we train up an
army of people. That's why we came out with the
Human Flourishing Coaching program to remind people it's not just
about preventing human suffering. It's about promoting things like flourishing,
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like resilience, so no matter what we go through, we
might be able to define it as good and push
ourselves in the right direction each and every day.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Okay, final thing before a sendoff, Doctor Zach Clinton. Favorite
Bible verse for us today.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
My favorite Bible verse that I've been reflecting on right
now in this season. Firstessalonians four Versus eleven to twelve.
To make it your aim or ambition to live a
quiet life, minding your own business, working with their hands,
just as you've been instructed, why so that you might
win the respective outsiders and not grow dependent on anybody.
I spent a lot of time in my life, Brian,
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trying to be first. But you know what, the more
I reflect on God's word, I just want to be
found faithful. So that's been the verse I've been reflecting.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
On a men. I love it. I'm thinking that.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I think Phil Robertson loved that verse as well Duck
Dynasty and often reflected on it, you know. And brother,
I think that is a good word. Living out your
life faithfully for Christ, for his kingdom, but in a
way that is not always out there front and center
banging a gong, aspired to the quiet life.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Amen, Well, doctor Zach Clinton, thank you so much. For
joining us this morning, and God bless you. God speed
sir as you continue in this conference.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
God bless you.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
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So grateful for you, my friend.
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see you.
Speaker 8 (15:06):
Hey, Ryan, It's great to be here with you.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I you know, this is the week after, you know,
we memorialized Charlie Kirk, somebody who you knew, you, you know,
Erica Kirk. We're all still in shock about what happened
on September the tenth. You've known Charlie for many years.
(15:31):
You've been a close friend, a turning point You've participated,
you know, even as an influencer with Turning Point and
been a part of many events going all the way
back to we hosted you at Liberty University. But I
think what we say back in twenty nineteen, when we
started at that time what was going to be the
Standing for Freedom Center, you were all you were a
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part of that, and I just you know, for many
viewers listeners who things have kind of settled.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Sure, this is the new normal.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
You know what the what our country looks like with
you know, Charlie's influence has grown larger than we could
ever imagined it would. And you know, Erica, she gave
a brave and bold speech at the memorial. I can't imagine.
You're a wife and a mother, what did it mean
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to you to hear her say those words that she
forgives that man who took her husband's life.
Speaker 9 (16:35):
It buckled me, like I think it did everybody in
that crowd, because I think at that point I had
to wrestle with my own flesh to say, how in
the world can this lady this happened to her husband
be forgiving him.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
And here I am, I haven't even gotten.
Speaker 9 (16:52):
To that point, Yeat, And you know it was it
was just such a beautiful, powerful moment. The only way
that she was able to do that was because of
the power of God, because of Christ and her life,
and because of her relationship with Him. I mean, there's
really no other way to describe it. And I try
to put myself in those shoes, and I said, you know,
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God always equips the people that he calls, and he
has obviously called her for such a time as this
to this new position, this new role with turning Point.
But it was just so powerful to see the messages
that I've been receiving afterwards of people saying like, I
don't know what that is, but I want that. I
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want whatever in my life she has in her life
that gave her the power and the ability to forgive.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
Somebody so quickly.
Speaker 9 (17:43):
So it's turned into some amazing conversations about the Gospel.
You know, I think I reached out to you afterwards
because I was getting flooded with messages from people saying
I have now decided to turn back to Christ or
to turn to Christ, and they've never had any.
Speaker 8 (17:58):
Religious background where I go from here.
Speaker 9 (18:01):
And so it's been this really amazing neat opportunity to
start to be disciples and start leading and pointing people
in a direction where they can actually grow in their
walk with Christ.
Speaker 8 (18:13):
And I got to tell you, I never.
Speaker 9 (18:15):
In a million years would have thought that we would
see a revival like this, not only in our country,
but around the entire world.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Ay Man.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
You know, in his life Charlie reached millions, and his
death hundreds of millions. Only God can take something that
wicked and make in turn.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
It for the good.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
It does not take away from the sting, or the pain,
or the sense of tremendous loss. It is not a
good thing that Charlie died. It's not a good thing
that he was assassinated by a transgender activist. It's not
a good thing that Erica is not a widow. It's
not a good thing that two children lost their their
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dear those are none of those things are good. But
in spite of all of that, in spite of the tragedy,
God can work it for the ultimate good. And and
I think we're seeing little like you just said, little
echoes and whispers of that that people are coming forward
and stepping out in faith for the first time. And
it's activated something in people's minds and in their hearts
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where they're saying, I want to know, just like you said,
I want to know how it is that that woman
could say that on that stage. You know, it means
something when when what was was most precious to her,
her husband, her children's father, was ripped from her life,
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and she could say that that's not just rhetoric. You
have to be moved beyond your own heart. It has
to be supernatural.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
Well I can't, I kept thinking too.
Speaker 9 (19:58):
So as she was speaking, she was really keying in
on the message about biblical womanhood, biblical manhood where.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
The family goes from here. And I said, mark my words,
Erica will be her own leader.
Speaker 9 (20:12):
And I bet she takes this direction of like reinstilling
family and what a better like?
Speaker 8 (20:21):
I cannot think of.
Speaker 9 (20:22):
A better person to get the message across about biblical womanhood.
I mean, like what biblical femininity means, what that role
of a wife means. It's just like hearing it outside
of the church is just very different. Having somebody like
Erica who has the accomplishments that she's had, but was
also the wife of Charlie Kirk, who you know, she
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was such amazing support to him. It is like to
hear the words from her talk about what a biblical
woman should look like and that role. I honestly think
it is going to transform women across this entire country.
And I was convicted in my own heart. I know
so many other women were as well. And I'm like,
I just cannot wait to see what she does with
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championing the family and the biblical roles.
Speaker 8 (21:10):
For manhood and womanhood moving forward. I think it's going
to be pretty spectacular.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Amen, you hit the nail in the head. This is
God's calling, I believe on Erica's life, one that she
didn't know on September the ninth, but here we are,
and so she's wearing a new kind of crown. Yeah,
she was crowned a beauty queen, but my goodness, her
biblical breadth and depth and you know, ever since I
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met Erica in twenty nineteen, Erica Franz Fay, and she
was a deeply devoted follower of Christ, somebody who had
a daily Bible study, and not just for herself, but
she was writing Bible study material for anyone who had
not been engaged, you know, in the text. And she's
just trying to get the Bible out there. Yes, Uless,
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you married Charlie.
Speaker 9 (22:01):
I know at the same time. When I met her,
they weren't even married yet. It was at that event
at Liberty, and she just impressed me so much with
how kind, how genuine, how smart. And then I followed
her Bible three sixty five. She was encouraging people, trying
to take people who you know, reading the entire Bible
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can be very overwhelming. I would say, there's probably not
a large majority of people that have read through the
entire Bible, and she wanted to make that very practical
and digestible for people.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
So she started this whole group, this.
Speaker 9 (22:33):
App that helped walk people through the Bible in three
hundred and sixty five days, I mean, and she was
doing all of this. I think she started that even
before they got married, and obviously it grew. But I
just remember seeing as she did get married and grow
in that role with Charlie, how things started to transform
at Turning Point.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
I always knew there was an underlying faith component to.
Speaker 9 (22:58):
Turning Point was you know, pushing them in their political beliefs,
but they really started to vamp it up.
Speaker 8 (23:04):
And as she was.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
Leading prayer breakfast at YWLS and America Fest and you know,
and so you started to really see this shift on
them really moving to be more faith based and to
be more vocal, I would say, on their faith and
to say the name Jesus Christ. And I have to
say that that was probably one of the most touching
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moments to me about his memorial when you have the
most powerful people in the world all saying the name
of Jesus Christ, and it just made me think of
that verse that one day every knee will bow, every
tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. And I said, man,
you've got the Vice President of the United States of
America saying that he has now inspired more to say
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the name of Jesus.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
Like, where are we ever going? I don't know if we.
Speaker 9 (23:52):
Will ever see anything like this ever again. So you
can't help but get energized in, you know, the move
moving forward. I know for myself, people say.
Speaker 8 (24:02):
Well, where do we go from here? What do we do?
And I'm like, well, keep doing what you're doing, Just
do more of it.
Speaker 9 (24:07):
If you've got a platform to speak the name of Jesus,
do it.
Speaker 8 (24:12):
If you are just.
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Speaker 5 (24:31):
Joining me now is Virgil Walker.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Virgil is a contributor and writer with the Standing for
Freedom Center. He's also co host of the Just Thinking podcast,
author of numerous books.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Virgil, Welcome to study the Road Forward. Great to see you.
Speaker 10 (24:44):
Oh it's good to be with you, Ryan. Thanks for
having me.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I know you were with me just last week last
Sunday in Phoenix, honoring paying tribute to the life of
Charlie Kirk. Certainly there to ultimately exalt the name that
is above every name, the name at which every niche
about tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the
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glory of God the Father. We're there to exalt Jesus.
There's a turning point that has come, I think in
the United States. But the question right now that looms
large among many evangelicals that have been watching, I think,
some with hope, some with frustration about what we've seen
in the evangelical world going all the way back to
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twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen, social justice theory, critical race theory,
all this stuff kind of going into the large denominations,
the PCA, the Southern Baptist convention. Think about what happened
in COVID, the Floyd you know, riots that were happening
all across the country, BLM, all of that. The question
(25:51):
is this a turning point for evangelicalism? And I think
this is the thesis and everybody's asking it. You and
I have talked about it.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Which way is it? Keller? Is it Tim Keller?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Is it more this cultural engagement kind of thing, or
is it a new kind of paradigm, one that's been
with us actually for a really long time, but one
that has been dismissed by the intelligentsia of the evangelical world,
and that is Charlie Kirk. You know Charlie Kirk, which
is a kind of robust conservative political engagement that is
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no holds barred when it comes to truth, any topic,
nothing is off limits. We'll talk about any political issue.
Oh yeah, and we'll take a strong position and we'll
give you the gospel.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
How about that? How about them apples? What's going on?
In your view? Is there kind of a reappraisal happening?
Speaker 11 (26:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:48):
No, I think in your opening you kind of traced
it out from you know, at twenty sixteen on and
what we saw was this slide into a more a
softening stance on issue as it relates to gender, as
it relates to ethnicity, you know, as it relates to
homosexuality and marriage, all.
Speaker 10 (27:05):
Of these issues.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
The church felt very embarrassed about declaring God's word. They
felt embarrassed about saying what God said in his word
about these subjects. And so the idea was, hey, let's
soften those stances. Let's kind of model more comfortable, you know,
a more accommodating approach to addressing these issues. And when
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that takes place, what happens is the truth ultimately gets shielded.
The truth ultimately does it come out. And so we
had the Tim Keller's that whole methodology really begun to
have impact, and we saw an inflection point with it
right around twenty twenty with George Floyd and the Social
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justice movement. What's transpired since is we've watched all the
wickedness that followed. Right, We've watched BLM take money off
of the backs of dead black men and utilize it
to buy houses in white secluded areas. We've witnessed the decay,
the absolute decay, and the ill intent of some of
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these organizations as they've siphoned off money and done and
really robbed the communities in which they claimed that they
were supporting the help. What we also witness is is
Charlie and his example, And we, like you said, this
past week, got a chance to memorialize that and think
about that and consider what he did and demonstrated for us,
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all which was to speak rightly, to speak clearly, to
speak directly based upon what God's word says about these issues,
but to do so with the compassion of of a
of a lover of God, with the compassion of someone
who loves God, who loves people and wants to be
clear about the truth. And when doing so had a
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massive impact, and we got a chance to witness it
for first hand at his memorial after his death.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Do you think, Virgil that you know I know that
there are many institutions out there that have kind of
perpetuated the false narrative.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
I mean they become the centers. You know, this is
the official position.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
We're going to pay our writers to promote these ideas
and disseminate them broadly. We're going to use the largest
pulpits in America, in the conservative evangelical world to be
kind of the bully pulpits for globalism, for wokeism, for
you know, any other kind of isms that you can name.
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Do you think that they are on their heels a
little bit? Do you think that they're going to be
in retreat. Do you think they're going to try and
pivot now and sort of accept what people now commonly understand.
Do you think there will be a paradigm shift or
do you think they're going to double down?
Speaker 10 (29:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (29:55):
No, I think these are people who have their feet
firmly planted in mid air.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (30:01):
These are people who are following the winds of change. Uh.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
And so they'll try to embrace what Charlie Kirk has done.
They'll try to embrace uh, or at least walk away.
They'll they'll begin walking away slowly kind of kind of
I think of that that that meme where the guy
kind of walks back into the bushes and kind of
high sea.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Right, Yeah, it'll be it'll be that.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
Kind of approach to all of the social justice issues
that they so proudly proclaimed previously.
Speaker 10 (30:26):
Right, what ends up happening in that instance?
Speaker 6 (30:29):
And that's kind of in our conversation days ago that
we were having that's a That's a part of my
concern is that we'll have all these people who will
be heroes, who will cape up for the cause because
they recognize that this is the winning move. The winning
move has always been the winning move. And it's not
simply because Charlie did it. It's because Christ did it.
And that is to tell the truth, be clear about
the truth, love people in the midst of it.
Speaker 10 (30:51):
But but but be a declarer of the truth.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Point to the like, point to God uh, and and
call and call people to repentance and faith and the
One true and Living God. My concern is that they'll
that they'll cape up for that cause for a season
uh and then when the when the winds of change
begin to flow, they'll begin to move in a different direction.
That's why I loved what you said the other day.
I guess I don't know if you were it was
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when you were here talking together, but you say, you
need to decide what where you're going to stand. Are
you going to live, fight and die on truth? How
are you going Are you willing to go out on
your shield?
Speaker 10 (31:27):
Is that? Are you willing to do that?
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Because that's that's what our day and our time requires,
it requires men who are willing to go out to
die on their shield, to die on the basis of truth.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yes, you're welcome to stand on this rock. You're welcome
to come to it, even if you come to it late,
but come to it just the same. If you'll come
to this rock, you're welcome to it. But you better
stand here, you better stay here, you better build here,
you better fight here, and be willing to die on
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this rock. There are a lot of people that I
think when the flood roters come, they swim over to
that rock. And when the flood waters are rising, they're
looking for the higher ground and they want to get
to it. But as soon as as soon as the
coast is clear, as soon as the danger dissipates, as
soon as tomorrow, the sun rises just the same and
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there is no more dark looming clouds, there is no
more rain. All of a sudden, those summer soldiers, those
summer what do they call them, the sunshine patriots. You know,
they go right back to what they were doing before.
They're they're not winter soldiers. And Charlie, Charlie was in
the dog days. Charlie was on campus when it was unpopular.
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There was a time when Charlie wasn't drawing those crowds.
There was a time when Charlie didn't have the fanatical
support or the social media followers.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
There were a lot of naysayers.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
There were a lot of people that were dismissing them,
even when I was telling Virgil, you know some evangelic leaders. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
But you've got to understand something. Charlie's changed on a
lot of these positions. I know, you know he took
the faithful marriage position, but he wasn't always that way
him personally. He was, but I'm just saying from a
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platform he was not going to major on let me
defend traditional marriage. There was a period of time where
he wasn't doing that, and I was trying to explain
to them, look at the content he's making, would you
consider it now? And there were a lot of people
that were dismissive and a lot of people that were
not willing to give it a fair hearing. And now
only now are they willing to pay attention. But I
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don't know if they're willing to listen in the way
of or learn in the way of Hey, maybe we
should adopt this new position final thoughts.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
What would you say to those guys.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
Today, Yeah, I'd say what you and I and others
have been saying, and that is that they need to
bow to the need the by their need to the
cross of Christ, to be consistent about the truth of
his word, the declaration of that truth to the culture,
and be willing to take whatever arrows the world sends
your way. Right, our ultimate goal is to stand on
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the foundation of God's rock, on the rock of truth,
and knowing that that regardless of the outcome, whether we
live or die, we die in the Lord.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Whether we live or whether we die, we die in
the Lord. That passage out of Romans chapter fourteen, verse
eight that rings true, and Charlie did die a witness
for the Lord. Thank you so much, Virgil for coming on.
Appreciate all you're doing at Redeemer out there, Redeemer Church
there in Gilbert, Arizona, and certainly for the Standing for
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Freedom Center.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Thank you for joining us today.
Speaker 10 (34:46):
Thanks for having me man.
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Joining me now is William Wolfe. William is the executive
director of the Center for Baptist Leadership, as well as
a contributor to the Stating for Freedom Center.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
William, Welcome to Sunday the Road Forward. Great to see you.
Speaker 11 (36:58):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Ryan, I was with you just last Sunday. It's been
a week. It's amazing how much can change in a week.
I think the nation and particularly the evangelical world has
been rocked by the assassination the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk,
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who we lost on September the tenth. You know, it's interesting, William,
in the sort of the twist of it all. And
I haven't really talked about this much, but just I
think about all the vitriol, the hatred, the celebration sort
of in the aftermath of all of this. I mean,
everyone from Jimmy Kimmel to even people like David Brooks,
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so called conservative commentator at the New York Times. Everybody
kind of finding a way to excuse their hatred, their animosity,
their antipathy towards Charlie and what he represented. I think
there is a moment right now where Christians and Conservatives
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need to understand the art of pursuit. We're grateful for
Erica Kirk, her courage in her heart of forgiveness. It's
not up to Erica to wield the sword. It's up
to the state. It's not up to Erica to vindicate
her husband. She gives that to the Lord, but it's
up to us. I believe as Christians, of people of
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faith and a people of goodwill, to see to it
that evil does not go unpunished. And I believe wholeheartedly
William that isn't just those who committed the crime, it's
those who celebrate the loss of life.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
Those people should not go unpunished.
Speaker 11 (38:45):
Yeah, I agree entirely, Ryan. It was a wonderful, powerful
service out there in Phoenix, Arizona last Sunday. But we
are in a very perilous time, a precarious time. I
know that it's been about two and a half weeks now,
and you can't do things immediately, but the left keeps coming.
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We've seen now an attack on an ice facility is
since the assassination of Charlie Kirk and other left wing
violent attacks, and this is a problem we have to
take seriously and put an end to because the left
will not listen to our words because they think our
words are violence, and they are meeting that with their
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own violence.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 8 (39:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Since September the tenth, I counted five active shooter events,
all perpetrated by leftists, all perpetrated. You know, we've heard
oftentimes that both sides kind of argument. Both sides have
their violence, both sides have their vitriol, both sides have
their assassins. I'm not seeing that, William. I'm seeing this
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as a one sided kind of issue. There is a
side that celebrates and champions and promotes life. There's a
side that seeks to still kill and destroy from life.
It's called the culture of death. When it comes to say,
people like Jimmy Kimmel from his platform, trying to turn
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this into some kind of joke. And notice, Jimmy Kimmel
would never dare make fun of those on the left,
even even at the you know, even at the slightest
faux pas public you know, mistakes that they would make
the Biden administration. I'm thinking of Kamala Harris and Joe
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Biden tripping down a set of stairs. Things like that.
Would not take an opportunity to ever jab but in
the in the worst moment, would would would seek to
poke fun through this tragedy at Charlie Kirk, at President Trump,
at those around the country to make fun of. He
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was essentially censored. He was given an ultimatum. He was
then anseled by the parent company of ABC, Disney Bob
Eye Girl of that, and then subsequently they wanted to
put him back on. Were it not for Sinclair broadcasting
in the syndication channels, he would be broadcast all throughout
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the country. What are your thoughts to that?
Speaker 11 (41:19):
Yeah, I mean my thoughts are that the left plays
hardball and the right rolls over over and over and
over again. And that's part of the reason while we
are in the mess that we are in. I'm thankful
that Sinclair held their ground. But Jimmy Kimmel is back,
and if you saw the reaction, this is what was
really remarkable. The media, the Democrats, the left, the whole
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institutional left in America cared far more that a failing
unfunny late night hosts suffered legitimate consequences for his speech
than they did that Charlie Kirk's life was taken from
him for his which shows you this is not a
bull size problem. The left essentially has monopoly on political
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violence in America, and they're not at all afraid to
use force to get their way, even when they're trying
to boost somebody as terrible as Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Yeah, how do you see what is the way forward?
Speaker 1 (42:14):
And so obviously we can fold our hands, we can
shake our heads, we can be shocked, we can be
agitated by this. But what do you what would you
say in terms of a conservative base that's out there,
a Christian evangelical base, one that that can absolutely get
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up off the couch, can absolutely get out into the
public arena, and can do things that are constructive, do
things that are strategic, do things that would secure a victory.
What are some action steps that you might suggest even
this morning.
Speaker 11 (42:51):
Sure, I mean this is one of the most basic
things you can ever do. But Christians, Evangelicals, conservatives of
all stripes across America should be burning down the phone
lines of their elected representatives, state, local, and federal saying,
do something to protect us because it's getting dangerous out there.
It's getting violent out there, and the right our Republican
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leaders need to act swiftly and seriously to protect American
citizens from left wing terrorism in this country. So make calls, pray,
rally if you can and where you can, but we
need to demand action in particular.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
You know, it's interesting. I was with Charlie Kirk just
a few days before he died. I was in South
Korea and we were speaking to a group of young conservatives, Christians,
those who love America, love freedom. They want religious liberty,
they want freedom of conscience, conscientious protection rights, all of that,
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the right to free assembly, the right to a free press.
Much of the media that they receive from the United
States is essentially the Deep State exported. It's those that
are friendly what we call the Enamedia, CNN, MSNBC, those
types of propagated platforms are being pumped in and Charlie
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was speaking courage to them. And one of the interesting
things I will say about South Korea, of all the things,
they're not getting everything right right now. There's a lot
of concern about freedom and free and fair elections. But
one of the things that Charlie noticed is, Wow, it
looks like crime is really a choice. And when we
say that, I were like, oh yeah, the choice for
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citizens not to commit crime. No, no, no, no, not just that,
the choice for those in authority, those that have legal
authority and jurisdiction, the choice of them to adjudicate to
prosecute crime. We let a lot of crime go unpunished,
Irena Zerutzka as a prime example. This is one of
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those things that we need to see some bold action.
I got about one more minute, But what's your response
to that? In terms of the United States right now,
it's almost like it's one of the largest outdoor shooting ranges.
Speaker 5 (45:15):
Yeah, you're exactly right.
Speaker 11 (45:16):
Crime is a choice. The questions in front of us
are not difficult or complicated or complex policy questions. They're
ones of political will. And the American people elected Donald
Trump to make this country great again and to make
it safe again. And I'll put it like this, the
left is essentially at this point in America like a
spoiled braddy, violent child having a temper tantrum. They will
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not listen to you saying please stop. We need the government,
not private citizens. The government to use their force that
they are tasked to use by us and by God
to put an end to this, because that's the only
way that it will come to an end.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah, I one hundred percent agree. It is for the
government Romans Chapter thirteen to not wield the sword in vain,
to promote public righteousness, to promote the good, to promote
beautiful and true, but to also be a terror to evildoers.
They need to be afraid of the sword of justice
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that is absolutely sorely needed in the United States today.
William Well, thank you so much for all you're doing
at the Center for Baptist Leadership and for jumping on
Sunday The Road Forward this morning.
Speaker 5 (46:26):
God bless you.
Speaker 10 (46:27):
Thanks Ryan.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
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Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and x. We love being a
part of your life.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Hey, thank you for watching Sunday The Road Forward. As
we bring this time to a close, let's not forget
the truth that anchors us all In all things, Yes,
all things, God works for the good of those who
love Him and who are called according to His purpose.
That means, even in the face of darkness, even when
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evil seems to advance. Even when the battle feels overwhelming,
God is still moving, he's still working, and he's still
accomplishing his plan. Evil wants us silent, evil wants us fearful.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
But the people of.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
God are not called to shrink back. We are called
to stand, to speak, to shine light into the shadows,
and to proclaim that the victory is already one because
it belongs to Jesus. Every trial is temporary, every scheme
of the enemy will fail, and every faithful act of
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courage echoes into eternity. Where do we go from here?
Remember this, The war between good and evil is real,
but our God has won the victory. Walk boldly, live faithfully,
and never forget.
Speaker 5 (48:04):
Who is on your side. Until next time, God bless you.
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