THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON, MAY 14TH, 2025, (EP.4484)

 THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Trump, President of the United States of America, a representative
of the media.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Excellent distinguished guests and members of the media Alania.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Now we will see the signing of the Agreement of
buying aircraft from bowing. His excellency Badermina Lemir will sign
from the Kataris Sad and Kelly O. Bucks will be
signing on behalf of Boeing between the.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
State of Katar and the United States of America Boeing
Purchase Agreement signed on behalf of the State of Qatar
by his Excellency Bedram Hammadinmir CEO of Qatar Airways Company,
and behalf of the United States Kelly Ordberg, President CEO
of the Boeing Company. We will now witness the signing

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of a number of agreements in the field of defense
between the State of Qatar and the United States of America,
Signed on behalf of the State of Qatar by his
Excellency Rude Ben abd Rahman Ben Hassan Altani, Deputy Prime
Minister and Minister of State for Defense Affairs, on behalf
of the United States of America by the Honorable Pete Hegseth,

(02:50):
Secretary of Defense of the United States of America. Firstly
a letter a state of intent on defense cooperation between
the State of Qatar and the United States of America. Secondly,

(03:27):
a letter of offer and acceptance for MQ nine B
aircraft and a letter of offer and acceptance fs lids.

(03:49):
Thank you. It is my honor to announce the signing
of a joint Declaration of cooperation between the States of
Qatar and the United States of America, signed on behalf
of the State of Qatar by His Highness Shartimin Binhammad Altani,
Emir of the State of Qatar, and the Honorable Donald J. Trump,

(04:10):
President of the United States of America. The signing ceremony

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has now come to an end, and now a joint
statement from His Highness the Emir and the President.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Thank you very much. We had a couple of hours
of a great meeting with the President and we discussed
many issues, our great bilateral relationship and also the situation
in the region. Of course, I think after signing these documents,
we are going to another level of relationship between the

(05:28):
Katai United States. So I just wanted to thank you,
mister President against for this historic visit.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
Sir, well, thank you very much, and this has been
a very interesting couple of hours.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
We discussed the world.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
We discussed Russia and Ukraine, where you've been a tremendous
help in so many different ways. We certainly discussed around
where it's been really an interesting situation. I have a
feeling it's going to work out. I think it's going
to work. It's going to work out one way or
the other. We know it's going to work out. But
you were of great help and and other things, but

(06:07):
in particular trade in the trade is the Kelly's telling
me from Boeing, that's the largest order of jets in
the history of Boeing. That's pretty good. And that's one
hundred and forty. Was that a one forty or one
sixty one? Well, yeah, but you're it's actually two hundred

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including the forty, so it's over two hundred billion dollars,
but one sixty in terms of the jets, that's fantastic.
So that's our record, Kelly, And congratulations to Boeing. Get
those planes out there, get them out there. But I
just want to thank you. We've been friends for a
long time, long before politics.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Well for you, it was politics. For me, it wasn't right.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
But we've been friends for a long time, and this
is an outstanding man.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
He's a great man.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
And we're going to help each other. The United States
is in a very strong position militarily. We have the
best equipment anywhere in the world. You're buying a lot
of that equipment actually, and I think we're going to
see some of it in action tomorrow that we won't
call it an airfare, but it's going to be sort
of an airfare. We're going to be shown a display

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that's going to be incredible. They have the latest and
the greatest of our planes and just about everything else.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
So I think it's going to be a lot of
fun and very interesting.

Speaker 5 (07:26):
But I just want to thank you for the friendship,
for the long time friendship, and again, long before any
of this stuff, we just liked each other. That's not
a bad thing, that's a good thing. But we always
had a very special relationship. And we came from Saudi Arabia,
where we have another great man over there that's a
friend of yours, and you two guys get along so

(07:47):
well and like each other.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
You sort of remind me a little bit of each other.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
If you want another both tall, handsome, guys that happen
to be very smart, but he's also a very special guy.
It's good to see all the relationships forming in the
Middle East because the Middle East is really being talked
about all over the world and we're having a lot
to do with it. We're helping a lot, but they're
doing a tremendous job. So I just want to thank

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everybody very much for being here. I want to thank
the media. The media has been very fair, actually, and
it's a great honor to be with you. This is
you take a look at this room. This room is
the real deal that's called white marble. It's very hard
to buy. Believe me, I know very well because you
try to buy it, you can't buy it. And you
just take a look at what you have here. It's

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been incredible what you've been able to build as a nation.
And we're with you all the way, and you know that.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Thank you. The ceremony has now come.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
Okay, right there, you see President left us ceremony.

Speaker 7 (09:04):
Yeah, went to went to cutter a little different than
the first time we went there back in seventeen. I
explained that here's what I would like to do, is
that we're going to do a cold we got a
cold open. Let's just blow the brake. Let's do the
full cold open to the show. We're going to bring
it in. We got because we've got the ceremony. President
Trump arrive. He just signed all the deals. Now we're
going to go back in time, show you about his arrival,

(09:26):
what happened, some of the big news yesterday.

Speaker 6 (09:28):
Let's go and let her rip.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
The transformations have been unbelievably remarkable before our eyes. In
your generation of leaders is transcending the ancient conflicts of
tired divisions of the past and forging a future where
the Middle East is defined by commerce not chaos, where
it exports technology not terrorism, and where people of different nations, religions,

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and creeds are building cities together, not bombing each other
out of existence.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
We don't want that, and it's crucial for.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
The wider world to note this great transformation has not
come from Western interventionalists or flying people and beautiful plains
giving you lectures on how to.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Live and how to govern your own affairs.

Speaker 8 (12:56):
Now.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
The gleaming marvels of Riad.

Speaker 5 (12:59):
And Abu Dhabi were not created by the so called
nation builders, neocons, or liberal nonprofits like those who spent
trillions and trillions of dollars failing to develop Kabal, Baghdad
so many other cities. Instead, the birth of a modern

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Middle East has been brought by the people of the
region themselves, the people that are right here, the people
that have lived here all their lives, Developing your own
sovereign countries, pursuing your own unique visions and charting your
own destinies in your own way.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
It's really incredible what you've done. In the end, the.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
So called nation builders wrecked far more nations than they built,
and the interventionalists were intervening in complex societies.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
That they did not even understand themselves.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
They told you how to do it, but they had
no idea how to do it themselves. Peace, prosperity, and
progress ultimately came not from a radical rejection of your heritage,
but rather from embracing your national traditions and embracing that
same heritage that you love so dearly.

Speaker 9 (14:12):
As and Trump is in Katara this morning after wrapping
up the first leg of his Middle East visit in
Saudi Arabia. While there, Trump sat down with Sirius new
president and spoke about the decision to lift sanctions on
that country's government.

Speaker 5 (14:29):
It gives them a chance for greatness. The sanctions were
really crippling, very powerful, and I spoke to Mohammad, and
I spoke to our friend from Turkey who we just
spoke to also my phone now.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
But I felt very strongly that this would give them
a chance.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
It's not going to be easy anyway, so it gives
them a good, strong chance, and it was my honor
to do so. So we will be dropping all of
the sanctions on Syria, which I think really is going
to be a good thing.

Speaker 7 (15:02):
So David Ignatius obviously a lot of questions hanging over
the new leadership in Syrian Wall Street Journal cautiously optimistic,
though saying they need to be given a chance.

Speaker 6 (15:12):
I'm curious your thoughts, so Joe.

Speaker 10 (15:14):
After the terrible Syrian Civil War, the awful loss of life,
to see a chance for Syria to come back together
as a country under the President Amado is I think
a very positive trend, and lifting sanctions is a necessary
part of that. The big bet that President Trump and
really the whole world is making is that Amado Shara,

(15:37):
the president, who was formerly a member of an affiliate
of Al Qaida really has.

Speaker 6 (15:43):
Changed that he's going to be a leader who will.

Speaker 10 (15:46):
Put his terrorist background behind him and will be able
to unify the country. Interestingly, this is something that Israel
was quite worried about, but it was pressed by Turkey,
which has been the biggest backer of al shara encourage
to help train his forces before he took power. So

(16:07):
it's a big move by President Trump. We were all
expecting that this trip to Seti Riview would be top
and you know, elaborate of meetings and right, but it's
been that, but it's also had a lot of substance.

Speaker 6 (16:25):
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

Speaker 7 (16:30):
Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval and
these people. You're not going to free shot all these
networks lying about the people.

Speaker 6 (16:39):
The people have had a belly full of it. I
know you don't like hearing that.

Speaker 7 (16:42):
I know you've tried to do everything in the world
to stop there, but you're not going to stop it.

Speaker 6 (16:45):
It's going to happen.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
And where do people like that go to share the
big line?

Speaker 11 (16:50):
Mega media?

Speaker 7 (16:51):
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of
these people had a conscience.

Speaker 6 (16:57):
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my If.

Speaker 7 (17:01):
That answer is to save my country, this country will
be saved.

Speaker 11 (17:08):
Here's your host, Stephen k Back.

Speaker 7 (17:13):
It's Wednesday, fourteen May year arl Or twenty twenty five.
Another historic day in the in the Middle East. Is
President Trump reorganizes the Middle East the most since was
a Sykes Pico back in nineteen eighteen. We're very honored
to have our guest in house for the remainder of
this hour. He's been here the whole time, but of

(17:33):
course recovering live everything the president does. Congressman Matt Gates
one of the greatest young men in his generation and
sorely miss.

Speaker 6 (17:42):
We'll get into that.

Speaker 7 (17:43):
So first off, you were one of the early proponents
in President Trump's inner circle. I called kind of the
Gates Tucker school of Hey, non interventionism. Walk me through
why what's happened the last couple of days is so historic,
and so many of people that have been colleagues of
ours and what we've been close to, and you're a

(18:04):
huge defender of Israel are like their heads were blown up.
Tell me what has gone on here? What has actually
transpired the last couple of days?

Speaker 8 (18:13):
You're seeing a total reprochement in the Middle East. This
is a region of the world that twenty years ago
was run by a bunch of guys in their eighties,
and I think you see the guys who now run
this part of the world in their thirties, forties, early
fifties having a real taste for Western ways and Western

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markets and Western women, and they are eager to embrace
their relationship with the United States in a different way.
I have been a critic of Saudi Arabia, I'm certainly
a critic of Iran.

Speaker 6 (18:50):
I don't been a big critic of Cutter well.

Speaker 8 (18:52):
At times, but I also see I've also praised Cutter
for frankly doing some of the diplomatic work that has
to be done in places where we can't and don't
talk to everybody because of the foolish mistakes of the
neocons and neoliberals. And that was the core of Trump's
message on this trip, that clip of his speech where

(19:13):
he talked about the nation builders destroying more nations than
they ever built, the interventionists not understanding the places in
which they are intervening, and the fact that the true
prosperity of the Middle East was built by the people
who live there.

Speaker 7 (19:27):
Brother Davidson or the Federal's lead story is that speech.
I've get it up on Ghetter, folks, we want to
go look at it. That that speech was the end
of the neocons. He basically said that speech of Bresident
Trump and the way he went through a logical argument
of how we got here and where we're going forward
with these folks basically ended what we considered the neocon experiment.

Speaker 8 (19:46):
And I think it also that Yeah, I think it
certainly was the capstone of that moment in history in
the Middle East. But I think it's also a message
to other parts of the developing world. You know, what
is our Africa strategy? Like no one could really distill
that Central America or or in a lot.

Speaker 6 (20:04):
Of a lot of the global South.

Speaker 8 (20:05):
Frankly, in the developing economies in Asia, we seem to
be trying to draw them into work with the United
States to pull them away from China. But I think
that the doctrine is very applicable globally. That success is
not going to be some function of an American uh,
you know, democracy experiment or interventionist war. Success is going

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to derive from the people Gus and Ed Luce. I
talked to Ed LUs at the Financial Times earlier. They're
like stunned to what's going on.

Speaker 7 (20:35):
Ignacious from the Langley Bugle, Washington Post, the spokesman for
the CIA. They're gushing over Trump this morning on Morning
Joe uh and more more engaged in the world than.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
Why Now, Why do you think that is? It's because it's.

Speaker 7 (20:48):
Because are not playing. We're not playing the globalist game.

Speaker 8 (20:51):
What you're You're missing the signal, go ahead, the signal.

Speaker 6 (20:54):
The signal is what miss? What is? What is Katar?

Speaker 8 (20:59):
I mean the fusion of Qatar and the CIA is
something that has been broadly discussed. And I have to
be a little careful here, but yeah, I mean, come on, Steve,
there's a reason Qatar exists to be the place where
a lot of these battle embrace live, and it's because
it's a place where you keep.

Speaker 6 (21:16):
An eye on them.

Speaker 12 (21:16):
Where would you prefer them in the Hindu Kush or
downtown Oha where you can rise every mark them exactly
and you can you know, we went over there and
you were key to this in the thinking of the time.

Speaker 7 (21:28):
We went over in seventeen r Odd Jerusalem in Rome
and in riodd as you remember, because you're one of
the guys that were working on this behind the scenes,
we had the stop the Terror Financing memorandum of understanding.
Cutter went out of the way saying we're not signing this.
We had a big brew over there, and then thirty
days afterwards, NBZ and NBS basically surrounded Cutter and we

(21:49):
almost went They almost went to war. What's changed in
that eight years.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
I think that particularly he's.

Speaker 7 (21:57):
Getting a state visit, there's a state deny. He's signing
deals with these guys to under bands and Boeing jets.

Speaker 8 (22:04):
I think that it is the the prowess that Cutter
holds in the economic system right now that is undeniable
and has to be reckoned with in some way.

Speaker 7 (22:15):
On pieces, it's the economic system just spreading money around
basically Europe, the United States and other places to kind
of buy people off or to look the other ways.
Mark Levin and these guys right that, we're looking the
other way of the guys that financed the Muslim Brotherhood
just because it's convenient or easy.

Speaker 6 (22:30):
For us to do that.

Speaker 8 (22:31):
I mean, you asked me if I believe Cutter and
funded the Muslim Brotherhood.

Speaker 6 (22:34):
And my answer was not any more than we have.

Speaker 8 (22:37):
I mean, you know, like what America is now going
to say, funding the Muslim Brotherhood means you get disqualified
from the global stage like paiging.

Speaker 7 (22:46):
Paiging Hillary Clinton advocates is breaking news here. So you
believe with President Trump, this is for our non interventionists.

Speaker 6 (22:55):
This is the way you do this. That's how you
do it.

Speaker 8 (22:57):
By the way, look look at how we got out
of this thing with the Hoothies. Okay, all of the
neocons wanted the Hoothy Deal to draw us into some
big war with Iran, which is their fever dream. And
Trump brilliantly played a little fire and ice there and
resolved that on the best possible terms for the United States.

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And now he's able to take the victory lap and say, look,
I'm not here to be the block captain of Baghdad.
You know, I'm not here to try to figure out
how to send a bunch of Western urban planners into Kandahar.

Speaker 6 (23:30):
I'm here to trade with you. I'm here to.

Speaker 8 (23:32):
Sell you our weapons so that you are peaceful with
us and interoperable with our ways and not the Chinese
of the Russians. And I think that's kind of how
Trump era colonialism in twenty twenty five is going to work.
Like all that you want to sit there and wax
poetic about, oh, they spread money around. Donald Trump is
the guy who just by executive order stops the enforcement

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of the Forward Corrupt Practices Act.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
And he's totally right about it. He is totally right
about it.

Speaker 8 (23:59):
So our policy is going to be a lot more
permissive on that kind of stuff and a lot more
realistic because by the way that's work, that is how.

Speaker 7 (24:07):
The world works here in San Diego. Now I'm in Florida,
but I spend some time in San Diego, Florida. Man,
big announcement coming out of also your show and your
network or the Herrings. This morning, I'll get to the
second thirty second Street in North Island carry a battle
one of those carriers, and a carry battle group at
the third fleet. Seventh Fleet is now patrolling the Red

(24:29):
Sea with one at a Narfolk. I think, so two
carry battle groups that are keeping the Suez Canal open
for our European partner.

Speaker 6 (24:35):
No, do you have a problem with that?

Speaker 8 (24:37):
I think that we should not put ourselves in a
situation where we get drug into a war of someone
else's choosing, and I think when we jam up the
Red Sea with a bunch of American gray hole vessels,
that risk is higher than I like it to be.

Speaker 7 (24:55):
Talk to me about talk to me about the show.
The big network announcement.

Speaker 8 (25:00):
Yeah, so look, I went, I believe that we have
to go and create the outposts for our communication strategy.
And you've built this out of your basement. I mean
I helped you do it back during the impeachment days.
And when I showed up at One American News, you know,
we were on about ten million homes. We've added Sling now,
We've added Dish now, and today the big announcement that

(25:22):
we are going to be on Spectrum, which is one
of the properties of Charter Communications, is the largest cable
provider in the country. It will be carrying One American News,
it will be carrying the mac Age Show. We are
thrilled about it. And we have to create these lily
pads at Wrath and Newsmax, even at Fox. I hate
to say, for our people to be able to go

(25:46):
and fertilize this ecosystem that is now the most powerful
thing is often.

Speaker 7 (25:51):
Because they cut that hair, and One American News always
had the great kind of like CNN type news all
day long. I was fantastic. I mean the packages were
just I mean better than CNN. They clearly wanted that
shut down. They shut the hearings down hard. I mean,
you guys were nowhere at one time, even getting back
to the ten millions of struggle. How did the Herrings
and you guys pulled this off?

Speaker 6 (26:11):
Well?

Speaker 8 (26:12):
I got to say, Robert Herring is a man of
a different generation, and he is as tough as it gets,
and he just bore down and at personal cost, he
kept the lights on. But now this is a thriving business.
We are we're with the ability to be on cable.
We're going to be able to have a great future
for One American News. And you know what I think,
you know, I think it's happening, Steve, because I think

(26:34):
a lot of these providers don't want to have a
real you know, tough I from the FCC or the
DOJ Anti Trust Division if they are engaged in censorship.
And I think good corporate citizenship has been reflected by Charter,
and we hope good corporate citizenship by others to allow
diverse political viewpoints and to allow the marketplace of ideas

(26:57):
to thrive. And if we do that, then I think
the country succeeds. I think we resolve our differences through
debate and discourse and not more unruly things.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
We're going to take a commercial break in a moment,
but before I do it, because I want to get
back to your efforts.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
Particularly behind the scenes.

Speaker 7 (27:12):
People, I don't think totally realize how important you've been
on the deportations, how important you've been in a whole
strategy in Central America. But tell me about the show.
Talk to us about the show. Yeah, how do you do?

Speaker 6 (27:22):
And tell me what you're trying to do? The podcast
all the way.

Speaker 8 (27:25):
Well, every night at nine o'clock Eastern on weeknights, for
an hour, we get together the top newsmakers. We had
Tulci Gabbard on last week, we had the vice president
of El Salvador.

Speaker 6 (27:35):
You know, you have really.

Speaker 8 (27:37):
Taught me a lot about how global populism is connected.
So we've had leaders from Europe, Latin America, all over
the world to really break down this judicial coup that
we are under.

Speaker 6 (27:50):
And I highly you.

Speaker 7 (27:51):
Believe it because we say we're hurtling towards it's a
conversion of the crisis, but we're hurtling towards one.

Speaker 6 (27:55):
It's got to be resolved at the end of June.

Speaker 8 (27:57):
We are in the middle of a slow moving judicial
coup right now. I believe, and I believe that the
fundamental test for members of the Trump administration is are
you willing to defy an unlawful court order.

Speaker 7 (28:11):
That's going to by the way, before they leave tomorrow,
and by the way, we're going to have walla wall
coverage from this. They're going to argue the Fourteenth Amendment,
this huge birthrate citizens in case tomorrow before.

Speaker 6 (28:21):
They leave in June. Is this going to.

Speaker 7 (28:24):
Be be rectified, particularly about his Article two powers as
commander in chief and the rid of habeas for June,
well before they leave in June.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
No, you don't think it will be resolved by that.

Speaker 7 (28:34):
Listen, we'll go to antire some of the subprene corps
will not step in here.

Speaker 8 (28:40):
I believe that the Supreme Court is very concerned about
losing the veneer of legitimacy if President Trump has an
appropriate robust view of his Article two powers. And I
think that's why Roberts has been ruling the way. He
has to try to at least keep some tension on
the line.

Speaker 6 (28:58):
I don't know that we get a rest on that.

Speaker 7 (29:01):
You don't think we get a resolution. You think that
lingers through the summer and into the fall.

Speaker 6 (29:06):
I do.

Speaker 7 (29:06):
Wow, Matt Gates here, Okay, we're gonna take a short
commercial break. Congressman Matt Gates one of the biggest drivers
not just in the MAGA movement to Trump movement, but
also on Capitol Hill or ask all those questions. He
single handedly led the effort a tremendous personal costs, showed
his courage, his bravery, but also his brilliants, and taken

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out for the first time, first and only time in
the history of this Republic. He's sitting Speaker of the House.
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Speaker 6 (29:46):
Short commercial break. Matt Gates is in the house.

Speaker 11 (29:49):
Next, here's your host, Stephen k Back.

Speaker 7 (30:04):
Okay, there's some absolutely amazing footage that was made by
Congressman Gates. We went this historic trip and our former producer,
Vish Burgh, let me know as soon as we have it,
I want to show this as breathaking. We're gonna put
up you guys see the whole thing. It's ten or
so minutes long since the cutter thing. We don't have
time to play. I want to go back to your theory.
The case is very important. When Matt Gate says something,

(30:25):
it's important walk me through the constant because we're having
a convergence of the trying to end the kinetic part
of the Third World War, the deportations, the cons and
the brief financing.

Speaker 8 (30:35):
Let me let it rip go here. Okay, we have
been building this populist movement. We've got populist energy in
the Congress. We got our few populist senators, you know,
Vance Holly, We had the guy from Indiana, bron Rick Scott.
You can get a populist president even and so the
one place that the elitists have us cornered out is

(30:56):
the judiciary. Because if you're a populist great thinker, is
really hard.

Speaker 6 (31:00):
To be a judge. You know why. The system to.

Speaker 8 (31:02):
Become a judge requires judicial nominating commissions and like you
had to be the second recording vice president of the
local Bar Association, and then like maybe you also go
to Harvard and Yale. Well maybe because a Democrat senator
and a Republican senator had to agree to allowed you
to proceed. So it's this whole mating dance with the

(31:23):
establishment that you have to go through to become a
federal judge that you don't have to go through even
to be a congressman or a senator or a president.
It is more exquisite and more challenging, and it draws
you deeper into the establishment to take that position. So
if we did all of this, won the Swing States,

(31:45):
beat de Sanus, trudge through the snow at Iowa in
New Hampshire, If we did all of what we did
to eke out these majorities in the Congress and to
get Trump through assassination attempts at indictments so that some sniveling,
little you know what in like a Massachusetts courtroom can
dictate to us the terms of US foreign policy, then

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this has all been for not and so it cannot stand.
You know who I think had the clarion moment of
this Secretary of State, Marco Rubio who I used to
work for back in two thousand and five. And when
a reporter asked him if he was going to talk
about the nature of his communications with Salvadorian President Nahibukeley,
he said, I'm not telling you, and I'm not telling
a judge. You know why, because that is not the

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purview of the courts. We're going to have to take
this position. Okay, We're not getting out of this presidency
without having to thoroughly reject one of these unconstitutional nationwide injunctions.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
And so the Bannon. You know, if we were doing
this like the.

Speaker 8 (32:47):
Old days, we would say, Okay, if this is coming,
what is the ground you want to fight on?

Speaker 6 (32:52):
And I propose to this audience and to you and to.

Speaker 8 (32:55):
My former colleagues in Congress, that the best ground to
fight on is deportations under the alien enemies at big time,
clearly in the article to purview of the president, the
country is overwhelmingly on our side.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
And so I went down to Sacat prison.

Speaker 8 (33:11):
I was the first American journalist inside the trendy Ara hangar.

Speaker 7 (33:14):
Before we get there, Yes, this has been a project
that you have worked on for years. Walk me through
to get to that prison. Even I have our guys
down there, just didn't materialize.

Speaker 6 (33:23):
Walk me through the logic. You had to think this through. Well.

Speaker 8 (33:26):
I started to see what was happening in Ol Salvador,
where this man turned a country from the murder capital
of the world into the safest country in the Western hemisphere.
And I started talking about it on your program. I
started talking about it in Congress. He invited me down
to his inauguration. I met him there. We became fast friends.
He's my age, and I really became an advocate for

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the USL Salvador relationship.

Speaker 6 (33:51):
And he said to a group.

Speaker 8 (33:53):
Of congressmen who were down meeting with him during the
last term, that you know, if Trump won and if
Trump needed a place to put thugs and criminals, that
Olsalvador had developed an expertise with this because in a
country of six million people, they've rounded up forty thousand
hardened gang members. If you do that in a country

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of that size, you get security real quick. And this
guy has a ninety one percent approval rating. The state
of exception that allowed those people to be rounded up,
that has a ninety.

Speaker 6 (34:26):
Five percent approval rating.

Speaker 8 (34:29):
Even the prisoner I spoke to who admitted to killing
fifty people.

Speaker 6 (34:33):
Said yeah, what he needed fifty people? No, he said,
he said he killed fifty people. That's how he ended.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
You know.

Speaker 8 (34:39):
We asked him how he ended up in Seccat. He
said homicide. We asked how many people he killed. He
said about fifty. And most of his time was in
the United States and killings in the United States. And
he said, look, this new president got in and he
meant business, and we got what we deserved here in
Seccat prison. And so look, we please, we cannot be
tolerant of this judicial coup. We cannot have an administration

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and a Congress that sits back and allows like the
you know, uh, the best selection of the Harvard Law
Admissions Council to be able to run the country. And
and there's those deportation flights should resume immediately to Secat prison.

Speaker 6 (35:20):
And look, we're not going to we're not going to.

Speaker 7 (35:22):
Be able to judge comes in and puts a big
run into court into a tro We just keep rolling
because your commander, and keep.

Speaker 6 (35:28):
The planes flying.

Speaker 8 (35:29):
This is US foreign policy with enemy combatants, with the
public on our side.

Speaker 6 (35:34):
On President Trump's signature issue.

Speaker 8 (35:36):
If we are not willing to do this in the
face of some woktopian in a black robe.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
Then we did not deserve this victory. Let's play.

Speaker 7 (35:43):
We got some footage. You've got so much great footage.
We're going to play it throughout the day. I'm going
to play a snippet here that was quite shocking when
I saw it, and I've seen a lot of this stuff.

Speaker 6 (35:52):
Let's go and play it. See his reaction to the
trend a Aragua prison ward, What.

Speaker 7 (36:57):
Okay, okay, we're back, okay? What did we just see there?
And what were they shouting at you?

Speaker 6 (37:01):
Guys?

Speaker 8 (37:01):
They want out, they want to come back here, and
we can't let them. You know, these were people who
were involved in criminal gang activities in the United States.
They have all the gang markings that have been screened
for those affiliations.

Speaker 6 (37:16):
And you know what, you don't get to come back.

Speaker 8 (37:18):
You don't get to invade our country and then expect
that when you're in a Salvador in prison, We're going
to come bail you out.

Speaker 6 (37:25):
You and I gotta say yeah.

Speaker 8 (37:27):
The camera work of War Room Alum vish Borough was masterful,
absolutely masterful. All of the footage on our big special
was filmed by one guy Vishborough Warroom trained warm.

Speaker 7 (37:40):
You're so it's so scary when you see the whole thing,
and then you go to the other time that you
go to the other side with the MS thirteen, who
are the baddest of the bad ombrees. They're like sheep,
it's actually it's freaky about how how did that happen?

Speaker 8 (37:55):
They're just broken people. I think a lot of them
are one thousands of years sentence. There was a moment
when we were in the MS thirteen ward on a
different visit when congress Men Andy Biggs turned to the
warden and said, did everyone here kill someone?

Speaker 6 (38:09):
Because there are thousands and the.

Speaker 8 (38:10):
Warden looked back and said, oh, no, everyone here killed
more than one someone. And so it's for people who
are multiple killers and it is totally zapped of the
will to fight after they've been in that environment, no
will to fight, and they're not a threat to anyone.
But you know what, I also show my audience the
promise that comes out of this on the other side,

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where people can start businesses and grow families and grow dreams.

Speaker 6 (38:36):
And guess what.

Speaker 8 (38:37):
Boo Kelly's President of bu Kelly's number one ask of
us is please cut off the flour and aid because
the way we treat these parts of the world is
by funding NGOs that then go after the governments that
are making live better for people.

Speaker 7 (38:51):
You're one to always go on smart offense with these judges.
Should we be cutting off two billion dollars of the
twelve day the ten bay in the federal courts gets
you cut off two bay and she you start getting
rid of judge.

Speaker 8 (39:05):
You and I both know that if you if you
cut the federal courthouse budget ninety five percent, those dedicated
wok toopians that want to issue these injunctions will set
up a tent in the parking lot and issue them. Okay,
So I think that the look the impeachments are justified,

(39:25):
but that's only a strategy that's more of a spasm.
And I think the well, we'll cut their funding. What
have you seen Congress cut the funding to anything. We
can't even get the Congress that cut the funding to the
USAI D. We showcased that USAID was a grift to
the world, and then they won't have been vote to
cut that.

Speaker 7 (39:41):
So they're not going to do it or the don
they won't gotify. This requires fortitude and resilience. This is
not some legislative activity. This is an activity where our
country has to look within and say, just as Marco
Rubio did, we are not going to let these people
conduct matters of policy of the United States of America.

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And if they'd just stuck to their lane, you know,
we probably would have had judicial review of birthright centerenship
and all that. But when it's like a federal judge
saying that the Department of Health and Human Services has
to put the Transsexual Guidebook back on the website, it
is so far afield that the only the only acceptable

(40:22):
response in this environment, the only acceptable response from the
administration is to ignore these orders.

Speaker 6 (40:29):
I think.

Speaker 8 (40:29):
I think complying with them is constitutional vandalism.

Speaker 7 (40:33):
What do you recommend now to the administration. You're saying
when you see these orders that there are so clearly
unconstitutional about your Article two powers as chief executives, as
commander in chief, and as chief magistrate and chief law
enforcement officer, you're saying, don't comply.

Speaker 8 (40:50):
Steve, this is Trump's great superpower revelation, right, and I
think he knows how to pick the fights to reveal
the enemies and the right sequence.

Speaker 6 (41:01):
But my humble advice to the administration.

Speaker 8 (41:04):
Is picket on this one, picket on the Alien Enemies
Act deportation, because through the resistance to the administration's actions
on that, you will reveal so much to the country
about the globalist invasion and the judicial coup that is
allowing it.

Speaker 7 (41:22):
Let's talk about weaponization. Are you comfortable right now? You
know Ed Martin got bounced out of a DC attorney.
He's now owned the Weaponszation Task Force. You got Judge.

Speaker 6 (41:32):
Janine coming in Main Justice.

Speaker 7 (41:36):
They barely have a foothold over there, as much as
they're bringing in new people. And of course, you know
we blew out one hundred in the Civil Rights Division.
Do you think we've got control enough of Main Justice
that the that the anti weaponization movement that you said
had happened?

Speaker 8 (41:49):
Yeah, you I can't judge it in that type of
a binary fashion. I think they're doing a great job
over a justice. Look at the directional progress of this though,
Like the last time you and I were and when
we first sat at this table, we literally had an
Attorney General working against us, trying to throw hoping that
Trump had committed some sort of crime that they can
throw them in prison, and not just.

Speaker 7 (42:09):
That both of you and I were going to prison, right,
exactly massive investigations, right.

Speaker 8 (42:13):
So, I mean we've gone from the other side, like
the person at the top wanting to throw us all
in jail, and like busting down the doors of Maga
Grandmothers and Homer Alaska.

Speaker 7 (42:23):
Which is that when you were a studio we used
to keep the door locked, saying hey, but you know
they get kicked down the door at anything, right, So
we've gone from.

Speaker 8 (42:28):
That to like, maybe you know, we might have a
slightly different view on who someone four rungs down into
the bowels of the doj R. So that really, that
really means a lot of the work we did do
to fill out the billets is resulting in better policy outcomes.

Speaker 6 (42:48):
It is. It is so rough over.

Speaker 8 (42:49):
There, and I got a little peek at it, and
I think that Pam Bondo was trying to get control
of the building. Well, I think that most of the
people who work there probably wake up every day trying
to make General Bondi's job harder. And that's really tough
to deal with. And I think when you look through
it through that lens, what she's done on the deportations

(43:12):
on the law enforcement front, That's that's who and what
Pam Bondi is. She is a nose to the grindstone
law enforcement, you know, go see where the crimes are,
get the perpetrators and hold them accountable.

Speaker 6 (43:24):
We gotta go to quick break.

Speaker 7 (43:25):
If the President decides that they're so swamped over there,
he needs a special prosecutor to go after that, and
Matt Gates is always the top of his list. Does
mad Gates do that job?

Speaker 8 (43:36):
I don't think we need special prosecutors now because we
have the apparatus of the Justice Department, right so in
a in a in an ideal world, it's the US
attorneys that we have that are doing that work.

Speaker 7 (43:48):
Matt Gates is with us for another block short commercial
break back in.

Speaker 6 (43:51):
The way we originally astic down.

Speaker 11 (44:01):
He's your host, Stephen k Back.

Speaker 7 (44:04):
Are we gonna be forced Uh, We're gonna be forced
to start suspending President Trump' suspending the writ of habeas corpus.

Speaker 6 (44:10):
I side with Mike Davis on this.

Speaker 8 (44:12):
I think there's so much ground that we have to
gobble up before we get there. I think that we
have to set some deterrence on Article two powers. You know,
I said before, I think if you look at how
John Roberts has been ruling, he's trying to avoid this
inevitable clash that is coming between You can see he's
trying to avoid it. He is trying to avoid it.

(44:33):
But I think that it's unavoidable, it's inexorably. We're being
drawn to this. We're being drawn to this because of
the nationwide injunctions and these tyrants in black robes and
single jurisdictions have got a taste of that power. And
I'm telling you it's it's like when you get a
bullshark that gets the taste of human blood, like it's
it's on it now.

Speaker 7 (44:52):
Because on them it's something to see. That's the only
thing that's working for him right now. Everything else is dead.
You're reviled in the city by the elites in the
and the lobbyist some people that run it because you
did something that's ever been done in American history. Single
handedly pulled a team together, thought up a strategy, and
then executed to remove a sitting speaker of the House.

Speaker 6 (45:12):
Was it worth it? Of course?

Speaker 8 (45:14):
It showed that the power systems here don't win every time.

Speaker 6 (45:18):
And I don't know precisely when.

Speaker 8 (45:22):
Others in Congress will be called upon to summon that
courage to fight the beast, to fight the system in
a similar way. But I think it's a really important
bookmark in history to be able to say.

Speaker 6 (45:33):
No, no, no.

Speaker 8 (45:34):
If you really marshal a sufficient amount of energy and
you are tactical about it, you can beat power in
this town. And power has to know that occasionally to
inform decision making. But it's sort of like you know,
taking out the trash at the house. That's my responsibility
in my marriage. And just because I take out one
piece of trash or take out the trash once, I

(45:55):
can't really pat myself on the back.

Speaker 7 (45:57):
The deal what people forget in early twenty three, the
deal that you made originally with McCarthy. If he had
executed on that deal, he would have been triumphant. He's
still be Speaker of the House. He would be one
of the greatest, one of the greatest speakers ever.

Speaker 6 (46:09):
Correct.

Speaker 7 (46:10):
You gave him the framework, a tough negotiation, but you
laid out of framework. If you execute single subody, Bill boom,
and we wouldn't be in this mess today with the
big beautiful Bill.

Speaker 8 (46:19):
I think if any speaker took up that deal that
we made with McCarthy and executed on it, they would
be the most successful conservative speaker. But the corrupt interests
of this town have a gravitational pull to lawmake by
continuing resolution or I'm a bet spending bill. I don't
know about you, Steve, but I'm embarrassed that here we

(46:41):
are more than one hundred days into Donald Trump's presidency
and the finance structure we are operating under is the
Joe Biden, Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer, Mike.

Speaker 7 (46:50):
Johns with was September thirtieth, over two trained down a
deficit in President Trump's first kick.

Speaker 8 (46:55):
I had Keith self on my show this last week
and he said, if the skull Hawks won every little
battle of you know, medicaid snaps, whatever, about if we
want every one of them, we go to fifty trillion
in debt in the budget window in the next to
ten years. Yeah, I mean, Chip Roy is saying we're

(47:17):
in ten years, we're gonna ad twenty trillion to the debt,
which is not actually hard to fathom when you when
you look at the at the numbers. And I trust
President Trump's strategy, but the Houses then walk us through
the MATC Gates trade.

Speaker 7 (47:33):
They still all look for you for guidance. Let me
be Burtley Frank and I love these guys. Without you there,
there's not a leader that can galvanize both the thinking
and guys.

Speaker 6 (47:42):
Here's how we're going to execute.

Speaker 7 (47:44):
So give me talk to me about what would be
the Gates plan here.

Speaker 8 (47:49):
I am old fashioned in my desire to have single
subject bills because I think that's the only way you
create durability around these policy ideas.

Speaker 6 (47:58):
You have to reveal the negative.

Speaker 8 (48:02):
Arguments coming from the other side on our immigration plan,
on our trade plan, on our tax plan. And instead,
when all of that just kind of becomes branded as
Trump Agenda good, you miss the chance to really vertically
integrate the movement to those ideas that you are pushing.

Speaker 6 (48:22):
Now.

Speaker 8 (48:22):
Part of the reason we don't do that is because
the lawmakers aren't really pushing.

Speaker 6 (48:27):
What they say.

Speaker 8 (48:28):
Like everybody was so excited about showing all this wasteful
foreign aid and now you've got Republican lawmakers in the
Senate voting to fully restore USAID and not.

Speaker 6 (48:40):
Just like a small handful of them.

Speaker 7 (48:41):
And not cudify even with Doge found not to cudify
any of the Doge cuts.

Speaker 8 (48:47):
If we keep doing that, my question is does any
of the rest of it matter? I mean, if all
we did to save the border, to create a peaceful world,
to restore a sense of national pride, is it? Is
it gonna matter if we lose the dollar, if we
go fifty trillion in debt, if interest rates spike.

Speaker 6 (49:05):
I musterity is you know.

Speaker 7 (49:06):
The lobbyist because its coming over the all time? What
is the vested economic gifstris of the lobbyists in the
donor class not get about that or they just don't care.

Speaker 8 (49:15):
I think that much like the way the stock market
has got everybody just thinking about their quarterly earnings, and
we choose a suboptimal path in the short term, in
the long term because there's a sugar high in the
short term. If we pout ourselves in the back, just
continue one thing done. We got something done. You know,

(49:35):
you guys all renamed some post offices. Everybody got a
little bridge they built, or a pork barrel project you
could take back to your districts. You can run on
it for the midterms, and all it costs us is
like the dollar in the country.

Speaker 6 (49:47):
You and Ginger are clearly loving living in California, right,
or at least right we stay. We stay in Caliah.

Speaker 8 (49:53):
We do my show a good amount out of Washington,
a good amount of Florida, and a good amount out
of California. My wife is from Californfornia, and it's it's
nice to differ in the Pacific Ocean.

Speaker 7 (50:02):
Every the future of Matt Gates politically, governorship of Florida,
governorship of California.

Speaker 6 (50:08):
We'll come back and run for the Senate, where I'm
not running for anything in California. I'm not a Californian.

Speaker 8 (50:13):
But I know this about the moment we're in, there
will come a line change, just like in a hockey game.
You know, you've got to get some folks who have
to you know, who twist an ankle or have to
move on to something else. People who are in really
prominent roles now will will have their life circumstances change,

(50:35):
may need to live in a different place. And there's
a whole bastion of people who are already willing and
able upon a line change to do anything worse like.

Speaker 7 (50:44):
In any fourth turning another crisis. I'm now having a
good conversions or crisis. So leadership like yours is maybe
more than ever. Where do people get the show, where
they get social media?

Speaker 6 (50:51):
One American News.

Speaker 8 (50:52):
Nine o'clock eastern, sixth Pacific, and I'm on X at
Mack's where we keep the conversation pretty widely.

Speaker 7 (50:58):
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Speaker 6 (51:10):
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Speaker 7 (51:14):
Matt Gates has got it, sir, Thank you so much
for joining us here in the unbelievable MATD.

Speaker 6 (51:20):
Gates in the

Speaker 7 (51:21):
Will be back for the second hour just a moment.