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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is the primal screen of a dying regime.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on
these people.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
There's not got a free shot. All these networks lying
about the people. The people have had a belly full
of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I
know you tried to do everything in the world to
stop it, but you're not going to stop it. It's
going to happen. And where do people like that go
to share the big line? Mega media?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of
these people had a conscience.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
If that answer is to save my country, this country
will be saved.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Worry use your host. Stephen k Maas.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Sources at the Department of Justice to NBC News that
officials see no point in continuing to pursue both of
their outstanding federal criminal cases when the defendant will become
the sitting president weeks from now, and no one is
happier about that than Trump and his allies. Steve Bannon,
freshly released from prison himself, wasted no time in promising revenge.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Jeff Clark has going to be the Attorney General of
the United States. So Meric Garland, we thought you in
prison and Jack Smith in prison? Remember is Jeff Clark,
do you try to destroy?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
No one is happier about that than Trump and his allies.
Steve Bannon, freshly released from prison himself, wasted no time
in promising revenge.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Jeff Clark is going to be the Attorney General of
the United States. So Meric Garland, we thought you in
prison and Jack Smith in prison? Remember is Jeff Clark,
do you try to destroy?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Joining me now is Jeorge.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
But let's just say there are some decent Republicans who
care about this country tree who will say, we have
to go.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Into the administration.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
We'll figure out a way to get in because it
cannot be these far right extremes. It cannot be Steve
Bannon and Steve Miller running the show. They've already said
but explicitly what they want to do. My hope is
that some Republicans who understand institutions will step up. Where
I'm frightened is that I am I'm deeply concerned as
(02:26):
to what the White House looks like. But I really
do implore Republicans that have not already publicly criticized him,
but even the ones who have I mean, he says,
you know he can start on the block. We've seen it,
and he did it with Jade Vans, He's done it
with several people to come back into the administration and
serve as the adults in the room.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
I want to ask you, but I need a yes
or no from Peter, and I get realized this is
an insane question. Kamala Harris said she would put a
Republican in her White House?
Speaker 7 (02:57):
Is there any planet?
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Is there any Is there any universe where Donald Trump
tries to do the same. It says, I'm going to
put a Democrat on this fight.
Speaker 8 (03:05):
R J.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Well, yes, O yah, I know what that is.
Speaker 8 (03:10):
You know what that's exactly you answer.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
The question also, Gabert, how there you go? How's the democrat?
Speaker 9 (03:19):
Honored to have made my MSNBC debut yesterday? But today
is a new day, giving us many more opportunities to
I'm sure make many more MSNBC appearances. It's Natalie Winter's
hosting live from Washington, d C. Today, Saturday, November ninth.
In the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty four, Stephen K.
Bannon is joining us remotely if we want to bring
(03:40):
him in, we can steve so much love for you
over at MSNBC. I think Alex Wagner is a little
bit obsessed with you. I think there was a little
bit of a glitch going on there. But there's a
moment where they ask one of their legal analysts if
Jack Smith should be scared about what his future may
look like. I think they've been asked, they've been watching
warm if he needs to preserve his documents. The answer
(04:04):
is a resounding yes, not just from the war room,
but from MSNBC. Curious your thoughts on the continued meltdown.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
First off, I want to thank our production team and
of course Denver for the clip with Natalie was so powerful.
We played it twice her debut, her debut.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
We played it twice.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Now listen, and I think, let me start with this
Natalie Stephanie Ruhl, who's I think one of the smart
people over there. She's a former investment banker. She stepped
in from Brian Williams took the eleven o'clock show, which
I've always loved an MSNBC.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Uh, it just shows you right there how lazy they
have been.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Because of the simple fact of she does I think
would be any Democrats, And she doesn't get the point
that Tulci Gabbard, Nicole shan.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Hand, Robert F.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Kennedy Junior, a guy named Elon Musk, David Sachs, Bill Ackman.
If you look at the Democrats that have come on board,
and this really obsessed me.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
They sat there and had.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
To be Peter Baker, who is the Baker is the
White House, you know, he's the White House correspondent for
the New York Times.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Of course he's going to know that.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
But msnbcing the people sat around there had absolutely no
earth the idea of there any Democrats the power of
what happened on Tuesday that clearly they have it. They're
too lazy and too arrogant to even look at is
the fact that we ran up these numbers and closed
the gap in Illinois, closed the gap in New Jersey right,
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and close the gap in New York City. There's all
kind of maps of New York City we'll be getting
into next week with Jackie Torboroff and others that show
that Democrats and independence that lean Democrat coming away. You
sit right there and she goes, would there be any
possibility that Democrat will hang on. Elon musk is down
there and he's kind of cohad of the transition. Tulci
(06:05):
garbage down in mar Lago every day, and she's probably
going to be offered a senior intelligence or senior defense position.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Bill Ackman and a guy like David Sachs.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
David Sachs has a lot of input into what's going
on because he's these guys may not be MAGA, but
right now they're MAGA adjacent, and they're all Democrats. A
lot of them are progressive Democrats, Akman being a prime example.
But we probably have twenty or thirty people that were Democrats,
and I think Lutnik, who's co heading transition, I think Howard.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Was a Democrat a couple of decades ago.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
So you've got all these guys that men and women
who are prominent Democrats who are now part of our cause.
And that's the reason we drove forward with such as
massive victory in this kind of beatdown and MSNBC sitting
there and go anybody in his cabinet.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yes, there definitely will be people in his cabinet.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
There will be people in the White House, and it
won't be like sixteen where we had a lot of
progressive Democrats that came in and still had a progressive
democratic mindset. These people are the people that have transitioned
from being progressive Democrats.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Tolsi gabertt. I think when she was in Congress at first.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Outside of her military experience, was a was a very
progressive Democrat and kind of became maga because you know,
she became anti complete in the war. So i'd love
you thinking about that, just about the presentation. Also the
complete and total meltdown of the Jack Smith. Yes, you know, yes,
last night I even got more serious. It's not just
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preserve your documents. There's serious discussions going on about the
appointment of a special prosecutor. The Federalist. The Federalist has
a great article. I've got it up on Getter. The Federalists,
but I think a guy named Davidson that talks about
Natalie first of reckoning and then unity, and he's talking
about specifically going after the deep state on criminal charges.
Speaker 9 (07:59):
Ma'am, well, I think they realize that the era of
strongly worded letters is over. And as much as we
can celebrate what Jim Jordan put out, let's be very clear.
The only reason that Jim Jordan is sitting pretty and
able to put out a letter saying that Jack Smith
needs to preserve his documents. Has absolutely nothing to do
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with what this Congress has done. It's solely because of
the mandate and the victory of President Donald J.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
Trump.
Speaker 9 (08:26):
But I think when you get into the issues of
personnel and staffing, I think that it's going to be
another battle where the power of this audience is really
going to need to be on full display and in
full force.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Right.
Speaker 9 (08:39):
It's great that we have such a big tent and
there's so many people who want to join it, but
just like the Southern border, I think we need to
have some level of vetting going on. And I think
particularly you're already sort of starting to see the divergence
of different camps on how they want to handle what
will I think be essentially the first flash point of
the Trump administration, which is of course the mass deportations.
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I don't just say that because it's so crucial to
the mega agenda, but obviously the left is mobilizing, in
their own words, a militant counter insurgency against it, and
there's reporting today out of NBC News the headline we
can toss the article up. Some Republicans try to tone
down Trump's mass deportation threats, and it sort of gets
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into this competing worldview where do we view the mass
deportations as just a tool, a cudgel to remove the
gang members, the violent criminals, the people who killed Blake
and Riley from this country, or is it a broader,
systemic removal of sort of an invasion of people who
have viewed America not as a country but as an
(09:43):
economic state entity or corporation.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
And I think that right.
Speaker 9 (09:47):
There gives us this audience, this show to sort of
stand in the breach against for example, you guessed it,
it's Rubio and Salazar who are coming out and trying
to hone in more so a criminal angle.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
Of the mass deportation.
Speaker 9 (10:00):
But I think that that fundamentally misconstrues how we view immigration.
In other words, the national security stuff, the you know,
neighborhood and community safety.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
Is a part of the stool. It's one leg.
Speaker 9 (10:13):
But the bigger issue is that immigration is something like
you've always said, it's an issue of economics and suppressing
the wages of working class people. So we're not just
removing criminals, we're removing a monolith a group of people
who really are the antithesis of the populist agenda that
undergirds the MAGA movement. So I'm curious your thoughts on
(10:33):
sort of how you think this audience, particularly when it
comes to the mass deportation fights, can sort of be
the counter resistance to the resistance, not just in the
form of the shot troops on the streets, but particularly
sort of the embeds within the Trump administration. How we
sort of give them, shall we say, a McCarthy esque
treatment to ensure that these mass deportations actually materialize.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
That's brilliant. So let me lay it up this way.
I think that's a way that it can be a
construct when you think about it, As we said, we
have the convergence of two kind of crises at the
very beginning of Trump's second term.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Number one, you have the whole financial with the debt.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Ceiling, the budget that we have to you know, cut
the you know, with Elon, I understand, uh, you know.
My knowledge of what's going on at the Transition office
and down in mar Lago itself is Elon's all over this,
and he's really thinking through significant smart cuts on efficiencies
and things.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Like that in the budget.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Then you have the tax revision, so that's that whole
financial and you've got the Scott Bestons and other people
working on the other is the mass deportations.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Those will be the action plans.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
The other third is the is the deconstruction of the
administrative state, which will be part of deregulation, but also
the holding of accountability and the deconstruction of the deep state.
As the federal says it has to be a reckoning
then unity. What they're kind of go back to deportations
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because that's I've said, going to be the original I think.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
High impact point of contact.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
They've already very smartly gone to the rhinos and gone
to the rubios and going to sales are and listen,
we understand that the Hispanics are coming on now in
a way that not just had us get a blowout
win on Tuesday, but could be part of this coalition
going forward and can get us to the two thirds
one third that we could actually you know, dominate and
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govern for fifty years or more like the nineteen thirty
two realignment. The one thing I think we need is
precision and language and look correct me if I'm wrong.
I think we're getting kind of sloppy in the in
the analysis, and that's why you see the left what
they're throwing up at us is actually incorrect. My belief
is what we must focus on initially is the illegal
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alien migrants or illegal alien innovators or undocumented migrants, however
you want to categorize. That that came across from the
moment that Biden took you know, did thirty or fifty
or sixty executive orders on the afternoon of the twentieth
of January twenty twenty one to take off all the
(13:15):
safeguards to President Trump had to try to secure the
border right two basically today because you know, or to
the day Trump comes back in, because you know, another
man are coming up. When people are talking about twelve
or fifteen or that, there's I think twenty five or
thirty illegal alien or undocumented folks here. We're not going
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back to old times. I said, people have been here decades,
they have children. That's an issue for another day. The
issue before us, I think most importantly and will get
the attention of the African American in this band community
that voted for US, is what Biden did.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
The flood, the zone.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I believe that's eleven million to fifteen Mini. That's that's
the universe we're talking about. And they come to their triage.
They are the insane as sims and the mentally issues
that Trump talks about clearly the prisoners, which is huge,
and then you get down to the population. As I said,
and Caroline Levin and others said, all fifteen man have
to go home. But that should be the universe. We
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must just deal initially because it's going to take a
couple of years. You're going to have to have deals
with countries, but you must. We must focus on what
Biden and Harris and the progressive left in the corporations,
the Wall Street barons, the big corporations did under Biden's
regime to unwind.
Speaker 9 (14:35):
When Trustee, we're coming up against the end of the break,
it feels weird for me to be interrupting you, but
we will be right back warm Posse, I will say MSNBC,
they're always heckling you and Stephen Miller the tip of
the sphere when it comes to deconstructing the administrative state
and securing the southern border, respectively.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
It's the two issues I think they're most concerned about.
Stephen K. Bann and Natalie Winters some other guests.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
Got exactly the same number of votes that he got
in twenty squinty, so there wasn't a growing of the
number of people who voted for him. What Democrats have
to look at is why is it that ten million
of our voters stayed home?
Speaker 7 (15:15):
Why they didn't, where were they?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
What happened? And that is a.
Speaker 9 (15:21):
You're back in the war room, and hey, MSNBC, I'm
happy to come on the show explain that to you.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
I'm sure Stephen K.
Speaker 9 (15:27):
Bannon, I'm sure any member of the war and posse
would love to come on and explain to you why
those ten million voters seemingly just stayed home.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
But let's cut to the chase.
Speaker 9 (15:37):
It's because they never existed in the first place. It's
funny to watch the Atlantic magazine. They're already and meltdown
about the Stop the Steel movement. They have a new
piece up today. Quote the stop the Steel Movement isn't
letting up. In twenty twenty four, false claims of voter
fraud were about more than election denialism.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
Like you know, they're already clutching their earls.
Speaker 9 (16:00):
I guess Tim Miller's pearls panicking about the mass deportations,
and they say that the outgrowth, the outcrop of the
Stop the Steel movement is that we've actually been hyping
and amping the threat of non citizens voting only to
lay the political pretext and groundwork to sort of support
the idea that we need mass deportations. I'd humbly push
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back voting fraud aside. I think we have just enough evidence.
I'd actually point you to.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
I think it was.
Speaker 9 (16:26):
Barack Obama's own Labor Department that commissioned the studies showing
that mass illegal immigration has suppressed the wages of black
and brown Americans by significant measures. But I guess if
you don't care about American citizenship or Americans and you
intentionally want to destroy this country, Rachel Mattow, it's not us,
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it's not US A's trying to break the dollar, it's you, guys. Well,
then I guess it's almost like you had some sort
of master plan. But the election of President Donald J.
Trump got in there and interrupted it all. Steve Bannon
joins us remotely, we got Jack Pisoback. I think Rudy
Giuliani joining us later in the show before we get
to that, Steve, I'm curious to get.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
On one second. One second, I want to go back
my shirt. The audiences is up to this because we
have our staff working of this. The mathematical expert they
had that opened that is actually dead wrong. I believe
that President Trump has reached approximately seventy four million, which
is the number he had, the legitimate number he had
in twenty twenty. And correct me if I'm wrong, Natalie Winners.
(17:31):
I think there's still eight percent of the vote out.
Our staff is actually believes he will reach seventy six
maybe seventy eight million votes.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
He will blow through.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Look in sixteen, I thought it did a pretty good job,
sixty three and a half million votes. I think we
had President Trump gets seventy four million to twenty just
a blowout number.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
This time, Natalie, I think he's going.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
To get seventy six to seventy eight million votes, where
they're still going to be at the end of the day,
I don't know, eight to ten million minimum light, So
they've got a huge air pocket.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Trump's blown through it. That's what this. That's why a
lot of.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
People are asking about twenty twenty or exactly what went
on here, and I think we had to be very
precise and not let the mainstream media just say, oh,
Trump just got what he got in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
That's not correct.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
All the votes are still not counted, particularly in places
like Arizona in California, and so.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I think that Trump number is going to be much higher, ma'am.
Speaker 9 (18:26):
The power of this audience is at least I think
ten million strong, whatever you want to put the margin is,
like we said, it's probably going to grow. Those are
votes that they could not jam into the system because
of the efforts of this audience. You see it on
full display. And Steve, you know you were speaking. I
think punchball vers supported it. But at the House Freedom
Caucus sort of new member orientation, and you were bold
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and brave enough to bring up the stolen twenty twenty
election to a room of people who I'm sure certainly
are not all on board with talking about that. But
I'm curious as we discussed, you know, special counsel investigations
setting up, whether it's congressional committees, whatever the actual lever
of power may be.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
I mean, I would certainly advocate it.
Speaker 9 (19:07):
I think you would probably agree, But on the issue
of election integrity. You know, they always say, oh, we
can't we must move forward, we can't look into the past.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
But I think we need to look back. Do you
think that we need special Yeah, it's a question.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I'm going to ask you. It's two things. Number One,
because we haven't had chances.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Number One, my construct about on the mass deportations. I
think we have to basically kind of ring fence what
we're talking about metaphorically, we have to.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I think we have to do that. I don't think
we can make a broad thing of going through every.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Illegal aliens in the country, because there have been people
here for decades.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And look, we're not amnesty people. I'm just talking about
for the mechanics of at number one, how do we
do that?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Because when we complicated enough, and I think we have
to say that this was the Biden regime's plan right
basically to crush the black and Hispanic working class, and
we can find that for people.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Number Two, I think you've done.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
You're the tip of the spear, along with you know,
Michael Benz and Darren Beattie and Raheem Casam and beginning
of the Color Revolution.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I would ask.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
You, where do you start, if you're going to set
up a special prosecutor, and people should know. I believe
that that's going to happen because there's a lot of
people believe that the House, even with the great guys
like Gates and others, they'll just particular with House leadership,
that thing may be mannder. It's not that the House
doesn't have a role. Judiciary has to do this. They
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have to look at DOJ and everything went on. But
you need something more formal. I would ask you the question,
you know, where do you start with the deportations?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
What's the university?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Go after and combat to color revolution? Because the resistance
is getting stronger every minute. This is why we're spend
so much time with the war and posse that the
resistance is now gone to the states, which we'll talk
about the second.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
But where do you think what's the railhead?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
We have to go back and kind of as the
Federalist papers say, the Federals magazine says, you know, to
get to the reckoning before you get to the unity.
Speaker 9 (21:07):
Well, in the issue of I think election integrity, which
dovetails I think actually quite closely with the immigration, particularly
the narrative messaging.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
I think you need to get rid of SISSA from
the get go.
Speaker 9 (21:18):
I think that's a day one First Hour totally disbands SISSA.
This country survived up until twenty eighteen without it.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
We don't need it. It's a hotbed of censorship.
Speaker 9 (21:27):
They don't do anything when it comes to cybersecurity attacks.
How that links to immigration Obviously it's under DHS, but
they're sort of the tip of the spear when it
comes to pushing back against obviously truthful information that this
show puts out. So I think just from a messaging perspective,
getting rid of SISA would certainly help. But I think
the issue too is with the people who are running DHS. Hopefully,
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I think, you know, Tom Homan, people like Steven Miller
are going to be around, but I think that we
have to root out the ideological apparatrics who don't view
themselves as just sort of following the marching orders of
the President Trump's of the world right. And I'm not
just talking about the career civil servants. DHS I mean
should essentially be reduced, I think to more of a
cbp Ice style agency in the sense that they're focusing
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on mobilizing and you know, militarizing lowercase m you know,
ice and all these various agencies to carry out what's
going on at the White House. Which I think the
corollary to that is that whoever's running ppo the staffing
the personnel office within the White House is going to
be a very, very important position. But I also think
you're already starting to see a chorus of news articles
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and especially on the resistance side, the organizing, the activism
all of these left wing groups. Right it's sort of
the new derivation I think of left wing lawfare where
they'll be defending these people from mass deportations. On MSNBC,
they're talking about how they want to sue you know,
every raid, every late night raid. We're going to make
sure that they have every payment. You know, We're going
to make it really difficult for the Trump administration to
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carry this stuff out. So many of these left wing
groups are right by the dark money, by these forces
that then tie in more broadly to the you know,
wonderful umbrella that is the cultural and color revolution. So
I think by identifying the donors, you know, bringing in
the Mike Benzes of the world. Again, like we said,
whether it's on the congressional side of things, are coming
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from the White House, but to really expose an unmask
who is behind a lot of these activists groups, I
think that that is something that's going to be very important.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
But I also think.
Speaker 9 (23:27):
Too that this Posse just needs to to really buckle up.
We saw what the media hurled against us in twenty sixteen,
right the scary sob stories of the children and oh,
you know, the little grandma. It is up to us
to win the narrative battle because we're not just like
I was talking about in the previous segment, We're not
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just up against the Democrats right on fighting the mass
deportation stuff. I'd say there's probably more of an almost
insurmountable sort of embed within the Republican Party that's going
to be opposing the mass deeps, and they're already coming
out now trying to sort of reframe the issue, make
it a limited hangout a little bit softer than I
think the initial punch that this sort of MAGA movement,
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the war Room Posse crew is probably more down with.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
And you know what, Steve, the other thing, I would say.
Speaker 9 (24:16):
There was a story that we broke while while you
were in prison, and it was a one of the
chief counsel to the USCIS. In his free time, he
wasn't satisfied with destroying this country through legal channels of invasion.
So in his free time he actually had a TikTok
account where he was making videos coaching people on how
(24:36):
to avoid deportation a kid. You not how successful illegal
aliens were making so much money coming into the United States.
Those people should be prosecuted, tried for trees, and frankly,
I'd throw people like MAJORCIS in there to set the precedent.
There's no pandemic amnesty, there's no invasion amnesty going on.
The best way to make sure that this not just
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doesn't happen again, but that people don't actively try to
go out of their way to subvert President Trump is
to make examples, not because it's unjustified, but wholly justified
examples out of people like MAJORCIS, like these crazy USCIS
em beds, like these sorows operatives who've been running immigration
policy for so long.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
We've got about a minute, Steve your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
No, no, I want to go back. You talk about that.
It's not just the Rubios and the salosarsad you've got.
You talked about our side the fence. Tell the audience
what your reporting shows on Jeff Miller. Jeff Miller is
you know, camped out in mar Lager for a couple
of days before we added him.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
He's taken off for a while.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
But he's the guy that's in with some of these
people in the transition. He's McCarthy's you know, he's the
head of the swamp brigade for McCarthy. And you're the
one that went and investigated what's the immigration group.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
That he's one of his clients.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
One of the most significant client is is what group
Natalie a.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
US Immigration Services.
Speaker 9 (25:58):
It's a huge EB five, you know, high profile, high
networth individual visa essentially money laundering operation, but really citizenship
laundering operation. But this audience knows right like we say,
it's the fight we always wanted when we say they
aren't going to give us the keys to the Kingdom
on January twentieth, that they isn't just limited to Democrats, No, no, no,
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it certainly applies to the sort of I would say
shape shifting, you know, trans America first. However, you want
to couch it people in the form of Jeff Miller,
in the form of Kevin McCarthy who are desperate for relevance,
desperate for political power, and they're going to try to
glom on like the grifters that they are to your backs,
the MAGA movement that drove this victory forward. So it's
(26:42):
important to call out the Jeff Millers, who might also
add lobbies for Pfizer because of course, but this is
what the fight is about, and it's what we have
a heck of a lot more control over than we
do Democrats for the Resistance Stephen Kvan and Natalie Winter's
much more right after the short break.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
I think we're going to see a lot of you know,
courage and resourcefulness at the state level, at the local level.
And there's a long history in authoritarian context of this.
It works best at the beginning of an authoritarian you
know state, or when it's becoming a weak when it's fraying.
(27:22):
But there's a long history of bureaucratic resistance inside government,
civil servants as well as you know, we have the
tradition of states rights, right, and this is part of
what these governors are talking about.
Speaker 9 (27:41):
States rights. I don't know you were allowed to say
that anymore. I guess if you're a part of the resistance,
you get a pass. But right there to the other
veried lead, bureaucratic resistance. Right, that's they're giving you the
battle plan, the locus of where a lot of the
resist the opposite. Maybe resistance is too nice a term,
just like Steve isn't like saying deep state. It's in
(28:01):
your face, right, this is not some clandestine operation. This
is up in your grill, militant. They're coming for you
form of opposition. Like they say, elections are just a tactic.
I think four years of democracy drivel counteris against that.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Steve, your thoughts, Okay, War and Posse, take your number
two princils out.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
We're going to write some things down. This is the beginning. Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
This is the other angle, the blocking position of the resistance,
and they're using They're going to use the courts and
the power of the governments. Look, we believe, as you know, Natalie,
in federalism. We believe in the Tenth Amendment. We think
it's very important. We'd love pushing things back to the states.
That's what we think. Hey, the elections are in state level.
We don't need a bunch of federal laws there. There
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should be state level the state legislature should be on
top of these things. Like the Constitution says, we believe
that we're a big, huge believer in states rights. Now
realize as a kid coming from Richmond, Virginia, that can
kind of get loaded sometimes. But President Trump on the
abortion issue, he's a huge believer in devolving this back
to the states.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
And that's where we say, hey, even in Ohio and in.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Kansas, where the citizens out there have not gone to
kind of hard pro life positions but kind of take
i think more of a moderate stance, and they're very
conservative states. States to Trump are winning by you know,
seven and eight points. He's fine with that because of
believe state. Here's what's going on, though, I think even
(29:27):
more importantly, the twenty twenty eight Democratic primary is starting
right now.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
In that part of the resistance movement.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Pritzker, Whittmer, Newsome, Shapiro, they are going to run in
twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Eight a governor.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
They've kind of had it with, you know, the people
like Kamala Harris. They think their power is governors, and
particularly governors of what they think are red states like Pennsylvania,
like Michigan, like Wisconsin that you know, had went for
Trump Ump, but have these kind of progressive liberals. So
I think, Natalie, what you're seeing here is that folks
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this part of the of the of what they're calling
states rights.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
What they're saying is that they're going.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
To block Trump at every effort, and they're going to
be very public about It's going to be some very
high profile.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
This is not like you know, pax and the guys.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
We had them on the show on the twentieth of
January twenty twenty one. I admit we had them up
there and what they said to the degree that Biden
will be follow the Constitution and Mary Garland follow the
Constitution and'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Where they're not, they're going to have to step in.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And Paxson was the leader of that, but it was
never really led at a governor's level. As more ags here,
we have ags that started, but the governors are stepping in.
Pritsker actually said, if you want to come for my people,
you have to come through me the twenty twenty eight
Democratic primary to run against the whoever wins the primary
and follows President Trump. As the leader of the MAGA
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movement is going to confront with these governors. And I'm
going to tell you the media is going to cover
this like nobody's business. So the twenty twenty eight Democratic
primaries started. It started in these big states with these
Democratic governors, particularly in the Red states, throwing newsome also,
and you're about to see a firestorm in this, ma'am.
Speaker 9 (31:20):
Shall we call it the fort Sumter of the twenty
twenty eight Democratic primary.
Speaker 7 (31:26):
But I think it's even broader than that.
Speaker 9 (31:27):
I think you're talking about the future of the entire
Democratic Party right, like we were talking about yesterday. How
they decide to triage and interpret their loss in twenty
twenty four will dictate their strategy going forward. In other words,
if they buy into the sort of Alex Wagner mindset, right,
the idea that they lost on the issues because they
(31:48):
didn't actually tend to what the working class the you know,
broad across racial and ethnic lines, that working class issue.
Speaker 7 (31:55):
If they take that.
Speaker 9 (31:56):
Side of the coin, then frankly, I think we have
a better opponent in the sense that you'll embrace left
wing populism. Obviously, they will never be able to touch
the issue of immigration, so we'll always run circles around
them on that. But I think you're going to see,
for lack of a better word, sort of this you know,
civil war, whether it'll turn you know, into actual hot
kinetic warfare. Their side certainly seems to have a pension
(32:16):
for doing that. But the elites, just in the same
way that they didn't, you know, want to give Bernie
Sanders the nomination, the sort of establishment Democratic Party wing.
I don't think that they're going to want to seed
that ground, you know, Justice Democrats, the kind of AOC
squad type group. They put out their statement squarely blaming
the twenty twenty four loss on Democratic leadership, saying we
(32:37):
need new leadership, and that's a direct quote.
Speaker 7 (32:39):
So I think you're going to see that sort of.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
Internal, for lack of a better word, struggle session break out.
And that's why it's really important for this audience to
be so attuned to, I think, how they're reacting to
their twenty twenty four loss, because it's going to determine
their battle plan moving ahead.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I think that's brilliant. Also, just to bring up some history,
because you know, we're history nuts here.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
The Civil and then the run up to the Civil
War and particularly after President Lincoln was elected. Remember of
President Lincoln, you talk about a minority. It didn't get
the popular vote. He won an electoral college a huge margin,
but the popular vote was significantly below fifty percent. It
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was wait for it, democratic governors that said that that
went up against federal power in what they what they
argued was.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
The South fight for independence. So it's kind of interesting here.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I'm just saying, Hey, it's democratic governors and they're really
coming after President Trump. This is going to be a major,
major battle at every level, and this one particularly when
you start doing the deportations. They have said they will
fight this every way possible. They had the Attorney general
on for Colorado last night. I was able to see
maybe play that clip on one of the Monday shows.
(33:58):
He was the most aggressive. He said, We're not going
to let law enforcement be used. We're not going to
let local officials be used. We are teaming up with
companies to make sure the companies in the state oppose
what President Trump wants to do. So folks just strap
in here. This is this is going to be this
is going to.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Be a big one.
Speaker 9 (34:19):
Well, and to that point, I know you've been wanting
to get into this four B movement. You sort of
related it to what an old Greek play. I think
this strata.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
I know there was a no.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
This is huge. This goes back to the Greeks. There's
a play I think it's called List of Strata.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
It's where the women bind together to oppose the men
and some of the philosophies and the men are really
the patriarchy and the and the wars that men were fighting.
I think it's Aristophanes. I think wrote the play very
famous in the kind of the classical repertoire. Was was
performed a lot in London. You have this movement called
the four B movement. I want to toss it to you,
(35:00):
but you're seeing another form of culture resistance. I think
this one's going to pick up steam, Natalie, as you've
told me, it's really kind of a TikTok movement. But hey,
the TikTok movement in twenty twenty two is the reason
we didn't have the total rit tsunami. We thought it
was Matt Gaetz that call that says, hey, the TikTok
coming off of the the Dobbs decision about Roe v.
(35:20):
Wade really really you know, constrained it. So I would
like to have you should walk the audience dough for
the first time what's going on here, because I think
it's quite significant. I've always said that this thing of
the of the time times up about the patriarchy versus
populism and nationalism will be one.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Of the big things.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
And I think we're we're moving beyond race and we're
getting the gender.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
And I think this is going to be a huge,
huge issue going forward.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
Man, So let me get this straight.
Speaker 9 (35:47):
You don't want to man explain the four B movement
to the audience.
Speaker 7 (35:52):
I'll jump in bout the way exactly the audience, who,
by the.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Way, is actually more anti FOB than I am, But
that's that will come up in her conversation.
Speaker 9 (36:07):
I think the four of Me movement probably indirectly benefits
me for our audience, who isn't super deep in TikTok lore,
which power to you. The four me movement originated in
South Korea, but it's actually more radical than the play
that you're referencing that they just didn't want to sleep
with their husbands, but in this case, no sex, no
(36:29):
giving birth, no dating, no marriage for all women, not
just with biological men, but transgender men too. You know,
I think it's important to contextualize this, right when you read,
for example, the Vanity Fair piece or just how they
describe this show. When they refer to us as an army,
it's not because we were the ones to weaponize first, right,
(36:51):
they weaponized against us, and we responded, and like we
said yesterday, what we nearly avoided and don't don't make
any mistake, it's still certainly here. The forces are still prevalent, prevalent,
but was a full scale cultural revolution that was saved
by the grace of God and President Donald J.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
Trump.
Speaker 9 (37:11):
But the activists, the organizers, the dark money, these spiritual
forces behind all of that are not going anywhere. And
I think that this movement represents two things. One of course,
is the discourse we can have on feminism and the
idea of women trying to reclaim their power. But I
think that it works really nicely with this kind of
superstructure that has become so important to the left in
(37:34):
these times of resistance, which is civil society.
Speaker 7 (37:38):
Because tacitly admitted there is that.
Speaker 9 (37:41):
They don't have control or influence over actual power in
the form of the government, in the form of the
White House, Congress sent you name it right, And I
think you're going to start to see these weird sort
of cultural nuances develop. Cultural movements come to the forefront
because it's their only way to grab power back. And
(38:01):
you already see this. The Women's March is already mobilizing
and materializing. Tens of thousands of people are getting ready
to descend.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
On Washington, d C.
Speaker 9 (38:09):
But when you look at the way that they've treated
the MAGA movement, and I'm not just talking about the
FEMA workers who yesterday quite literally we're told to not
go to houses that have Trump signs outside if you
think they're willing to weaponize the entire force, faith, and
credit of the United States Government against President Trump and
not help dying Trump's supporters in North Carolina, while of
(38:33):
course in the same breast sending billions to Ukraine and
Israel and Taiwan in every other country, you think they're
not going to keep coming with you with a vengeance
like you are for you, with a vengeance like you've
never seen. Like we said, November fifth was the day
where we either saw the Trump movement the Maga movement
become the equivalent what I would say of Mao's hundred
(38:55):
Flowers campaign, where they treated it like a political sie
up only to identify and jail their opposition.
Speaker 7 (39:01):
The jailing, of course, it's a little close to home
here in the war room.
Speaker 9 (39:05):
Or we beat it back, and we did, but now
you're seeing the radicalization, particularly of young women who are
taking to TikTok and making videos about how they're not.
Speaker 7 (39:16):
Going to sleep with any man. It's their way to
take their power back.
Speaker 9 (39:19):
But it's the proof that they actually have no power,
and that they're freaking out and that they're really scared
of what President Trump is going to do.
Speaker 7 (39:27):
And that they've lost the narrative.
Speaker 9 (39:29):
And in speaking of losing narratives, I think an important
fact for this audience to be up to date on
so when you hear, oh, we need to keep soft
on the mass deportations, and oh this know that Springfield
Clark County, Ohio, home to Springfield, Trump gained six points
there as compared to twenty twenty. And that shows you
(39:54):
that the American people, their lived reality, does not comport
with what the mainstream means wants to tell you about
illegal immigration. And when they say that our criticisms of
their flood response is disinformation, No, no, no, that's victim blaming.
If your flood response sucks intentionally at that because you
(40:15):
hate American citizens, We're going to call you out on
it because it's intentional, and thank god we have someone
whose only intentions are to put America first and make
this country great again. The fact that that's such a
radical policy proposal that's prompting girls to go out and
say that they're not going to sleep, merry or have
children with men because of that shows you how far
(40:38):
down the culturally Marxist rabbit hole we are and why
it's more imperative than ever that this audience keeps their
shoulder to the wheel. Though I'd humbly pose it, I've
seen the TikTok girls making the videos. I don't think
the men are missing out on much. We'll be right back.
Stephen K.
Speaker 7 (40:57):
Bannon posobic at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
The use your host, Stephen K Ban.
Speaker 9 (41:10):
Welcome back to the War Room. Natalie Winter's hosting here
out of Washington, d C. But don't worry, Stephen K
Ban and still joining us remotely. Steve, I'll bring you
in your thoughts. Maybe that's one of my first rants
that you got to witness.
Speaker 7 (41:23):
Since you've been back, well.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
You're coming with the learning curve brand. I want to
get back to all this is very important I want
to do. You know, we handle a lot of financial
material and events on here. We're tracking very closely President
Trump's finance team is going to be the Secretary Treasury,
who's going to become total of the currency, who's going
to be the NEC in the Domestic Policy councilor with
(41:48):
the White House. We got a lot of updates. We're
seeing a lot of great stuff. I think people are
going to be quite happy trade all of it. I
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But you got to take care of it. The IRS
stuff's not going to go away. Natalie, the Vanity Fair
did a great.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Piece on us, actually two pieces of one about my
association with some of the hardest core traditional Catholics and Christians,
and the following issue is about the war room, and
everyone should read that should read that article. One of
the things that jumped off the page they framed it.
That really the war room and what the war I'm
trying to put forward with the posse, and the reason
the posse is so strong as that we represent a
(44:31):
political aspect of what they call traditionalism. Now, traditionalist comes
out of Europe. It has many different meetings. You got
some writers there that are quite deep about going back
into time in a myth, but then they bring it
up currently and they said, hey, a lot of this
could be just the traditional patriarchy, the traditional family structure
versus modernity. And I find it quite interesting. And the
(44:53):
four B movement in Korea does have aspects that are
quite deep and really associated with Korean societ and what's
happening as they become one of the leading post industrial countries.
But at least on the surface, it does comport with
a lot was in lists of strata, which was the
rejection of traditional society at the time. Uh, these wives said, hey,
(45:15):
we're not going to sleep with the men until the
men stop stopped going to war all the time. Your
thoughts today of how this really ties back to traditionalism
and what are called the patriarchy and the tread wife
movement and all that.
Speaker 9 (45:30):
Man, Well, real quick, I'm noticing I just sat down
and the war Path coffee bag of the dark ROAs
coffee is missing. So I don't know if you took
it took it with you, but you got to be
choking out as well.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
I took it with me already had a morepath dot coffee.
Make sure you go and get a big hot batch
tage Ga.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Thanks are joining us later.
Speaker 9 (46:01):
And whatever you do, don't ask don't ask a woman
to make it or each you may just become the
latest for be supporter. But no, I think it's much
like immigration, right, It's not just a cultural phenomenon. It's
inextricably linked to the economy too, which is what you
were alluding to. And I think it's part of this
broader idea. I mean, look, they made traditionalism. They essentially
(46:21):
they are anti choice in the sense that they deprived
young Americans of the ability to really even decide or
choose or opt in to wanting to live a traditional
lifestyle or being a stay at home mom. And I'm
not just talking about the demonization of motherhood, the demonization
of masculinity. But financially, of course, in concert with you know,
the UNS and the world economic forms of the world,
they have waged full scale warfare economic information, biological chemical
(46:45):
I mean that's right, it's all the RFK junior stuff
they're talking about, the dropping sperm counts and the hormone
disruptions and women. Right, they have done everything they can
to make that, you know, quintessential American lifestyle of a
nuclear household fundamentally and fiscally impossible. Right, and right now
you're sort of seeing the aftershock. I think of them
melting down.
Speaker 6 (47:04):
You know.
Speaker 9 (47:05):
I saw someone I'm at NBC saying that our counter
to Joe Rogan needs to be putting forth, not a
fascist podcast network, but a feminist podcast network. That's how
we're going to win men over. But it shows you
how out of touch they are. And I also think
there's something quite you know, interesting to this whole concept
of the four B movement in the sense that the
current system that they're buying into, right, is one beloved
(47:27):
by feminists, right, the degenerate sort of you know, hookup
culture that's so untethered from anything that I think anyone
who watches this show would called would call Christian morality
or Judeo Christian values. And it's just sort of an
interesting thing, right. These girls are opting out of a
culture of a way of living that, at the end
of the day, really only I think disadvantages them.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Right.
Speaker 9 (47:49):
This is what people remember when I did the whatever podcast, Right,
it's that sort of lifestyle. The only fans just the
left wing cultural degeneracy. So it's sort of funny. I
guess it's maybe the horseshoe theory to a tee. But
they have fundamentally deprived young Americans in particular, of the
ability to even be trad to even be a trad wife, right,
(48:11):
It's financially impossible, And I think that is part of
the reason why you've seen such a movement among young
men who want to protect women in the same way
that President Trump says that, and the left wing media
melts down. It's not a radical proposition. It's what men
were created to do, and it's what women want men
to do. But they associate the pejorative connotation to it
(48:34):
when it doesn't need to be there. And I've already
watched MSNBC try to untangle this whole masculinity concept. They
can't even get three seconds into the discussion without talking
about toxic masculinity and mandating that the discussions be intersectional. Right,
they are so untethered from reality. But it's joyful. She'll
we use that word to watch Maybe that's the definition
(48:55):
of joy. Stephen Caban and Jack Withsobic right after this
break
This is the primal screen of a dying regime.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on
these people.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
There's not got a free shot. All these networks lying
about the people. The people have had a belly full
of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I
know you tried to do everything in the world to
stop it, but you're not going to stop it. It's
going to happen. And where do people like that go
to share the big line? Mega media?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of
these people had a conscience.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
If that answer is to save my country, this country
will be saved.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Worry use your host. Stephen k Maas.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Sources at the Department of Justice to NBC News that
officials see no point in continuing to pursue both of
their outstanding federal criminal cases when the defendant will become
the sitting president weeks from now, and no one is
happier about that than Trump and his allies. Steve Bannon,
freshly released from prison himself, wasted no time in promising revenge.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Jeff Clark has going to be the Attorney General of
the United States. So Meric Garland, we thought you in
prison and Jack Smith in prison? Remember is Jeff Clark,
do you try to destroy?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
No one is happier about that than Trump and his allies.
Steve Bannon, freshly released from prison himself, wasted no time
in promising revenge.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Jeff Clark is going to be the Attorney General of
the United States. So Meric Garland, we thought you in
prison and Jack Smith in prison? Remember is Jeff Clark,
do you try to destroy?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Joining me now is Jeorge.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
But let's just say there are some decent Republicans who
care about this country tree who will say, we have
to go.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Into the administration.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
We'll figure out a way to get in because it
cannot be these far right extremes. It cannot be Steve
Bannon and Steve Miller running the show. They've already said
but explicitly what they want to do. My hope is
that some Republicans who understand institutions will step up. Where
I'm frightened is that I am I'm deeply concerned as
(02:26):
to what the White House looks like. But I really
do implore Republicans that have not already publicly criticized him,
but even the ones who have I mean, he says,
you know he can start on the block. We've seen it,
and he did it with Jade Vans, He's done it
with several people to come back into the administration and
serve as the adults in the room.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
I want to ask you, but I need a yes
or no from Peter, and I get realized this is
an insane question. Kamala Harris said she would put a
Republican in her White House?
Speaker 7 (02:57):
Is there any planet?
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Is there any Is there any universe where Donald Trump
tries to do the same. It says, I'm going to
put a Democrat on this fight.
Speaker 8 (03:05):
R J.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Well, yes, O yah, I know what that is.
Speaker 8 (03:10):
You know what that's exactly you answer.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
The question also, Gabert, how there you go? How's the democrat?
Speaker 9 (03:19):
Honored to have made my MSNBC debut yesterday? But today
is a new day, giving us many more opportunities to
I'm sure make many more MSNBC appearances. It's Natalie Winter's
hosting live from Washington, d C. Today, Saturday, November ninth.
In the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty four, Stephen K.
Bannon is joining us remotely if we want to bring
(03:40):
him in, we can steve so much love for you
over at MSNBC. I think Alex Wagner is a little
bit obsessed with you. I think there was a little
bit of a glitch going on there. But there's a
moment where they ask one of their legal analysts if
Jack Smith should be scared about what his future may
look like. I think they've been asked, they've been watching
warm if he needs to preserve his documents. The answer
(04:04):
is a resounding yes, not just from the war room,
but from MSNBC. Curious your thoughts on the continued meltdown.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
First off, I want to thank our production team and
of course Denver for the clip with Natalie was so powerful.
We played it twice her debut, her debut.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
We played it twice.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Now listen, and I think, let me start with this
Natalie Stephanie Ruhl, who's I think one of the smart
people over there. She's a former investment banker. She stepped
in from Brian Williams took the eleven o'clock show, which
I've always loved an MSNBC.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Uh, it just shows you right there how lazy they
have been.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Because of the simple fact of she does I think
would be any Democrats, And she doesn't get the point
that Tulci Gabbard, Nicole shan.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Hand, Robert F.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Kennedy Junior, a guy named Elon Musk, David Sachs, Bill Ackman.
If you look at the Democrats that have come on board,
and this really obsessed me.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
They sat there and had.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
To be Peter Baker, who is the Baker is the
White House, you know, he's the White House correspondent for
the New York Times.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Of course he's going to know that.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
But msnbcing the people sat around there had absolutely no
earth the idea of there any Democrats the power of
what happened on Tuesday that clearly they have it. They're
too lazy and too arrogant to even look at is
the fact that we ran up these numbers and closed
the gap in Illinois, closed the gap in New Jersey right,
(05:44):
and close the gap in New York City. There's all
kind of maps of New York City we'll be getting
into next week with Jackie Torboroff and others that show
that Democrats and independence that lean Democrat coming away. You
sit right there and she goes, would there be any
possibility that Democrat will hang on. Elon musk is down
there and he's kind of cohad of the transition. Tulci
(06:05):
garbage down in mar Lago every day, and she's probably
going to be offered a senior intelligence or senior defense position.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Bill Ackman and a guy like David Sachs.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
David Sachs has a lot of input into what's going
on because he's these guys may not be MAGA, but
right now they're MAGA adjacent, and they're all Democrats. A
lot of them are progressive Democrats, Akman being a prime example.
But we probably have twenty or thirty people that were Democrats,
and I think Lutnik, who's co heading transition, I think Howard.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Was a Democrat a couple of decades ago.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
So you've got all these guys that men and women
who are prominent Democrats who are now part of our cause.
And that's the reason we drove forward with such as
massive victory in this kind of beatdown and MSNBC sitting
there and go anybody in his cabinet.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yes, there definitely will be people in his cabinet.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
There will be people in the White House, and it
won't be like sixteen where we had a lot of
progressive Democrats that came in and still had a progressive
democratic mindset. These people are the people that have transitioned
from being progressive Democrats.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Tolsi gabertt. I think when she was in Congress at first.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Outside of her military experience, was a was a very
progressive Democrat and kind of became maga because you know,
she became anti complete in the war. So i'd love
you thinking about that, just about the presentation. Also the
complete and total meltdown of the Jack Smith. Yes, you know, yes,
last night I even got more serious. It's not just
(07:37):
preserve your documents. There's serious discussions going on about the
appointment of a special prosecutor. The Federalist. The Federalist has
a great article. I've got it up on Getter. The Federalists,
but I think a guy named Davidson that talks about
Natalie first of reckoning and then unity, and he's talking
about specifically going after the deep state on criminal charges.
Speaker 9 (07:59):
Ma'am, well, I think they realize that the era of
strongly worded letters is over. And as much as we
can celebrate what Jim Jordan put out, let's be very clear.
The only reason that Jim Jordan is sitting pretty and
able to put out a letter saying that Jack Smith
needs to preserve his documents. Has absolutely nothing to do
(08:19):
with what this Congress has done. It's solely because of
the mandate and the victory of President Donald J.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
Trump.
Speaker 9 (08:26):
But I think when you get into the issues of
personnel and staffing, I think that it's going to be
another battle where the power of this audience is really
going to need to be on full display and in
full force.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Right.
Speaker 9 (08:39):
It's great that we have such a big tent and
there's so many people who want to join it, but
just like the Southern border, I think we need to
have some level of vetting going on. And I think
particularly you're already sort of starting to see the divergence
of different camps on how they want to handle what
will I think be essentially the first flash point of
the Trump administration, which is of course the mass deportations.
(09:01):
I don't just say that because it's so crucial to
the mega agenda, but obviously the left is mobilizing, in
their own words, a militant counter insurgency against it, and
there's reporting today out of NBC News the headline we
can toss the article up. Some Republicans try to tone
down Trump's mass deportation threats, and it sort of gets
(09:22):
into this competing worldview where do we view the mass
deportations as just a tool, a cudgel to remove the
gang members, the violent criminals, the people who killed Blake
and Riley from this country, or is it a broader,
systemic removal of sort of an invasion of people who
have viewed America not as a country but as an
(09:43):
economic state entity or corporation.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
And I think that right.
Speaker 9 (09:47):
There gives us this audience, this show to sort of
stand in the breach against for example, you guessed it,
it's Rubio and Salazar who are coming out and trying
to hone in more so a criminal angle.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
Of the mass deportation.
Speaker 9 (10:00):
But I think that that fundamentally misconstrues how we view immigration.
In other words, the national security stuff, the you know,
neighborhood and community safety.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
Is a part of the stool. It's one leg.
Speaker 9 (10:13):
But the bigger issue is that immigration is something like
you've always said, it's an issue of economics and suppressing
the wages of working class people. So we're not just
removing criminals, we're removing a monolith a group of people
who really are the antithesis of the populist agenda that
undergirds the MAGA movement. So I'm curious your thoughts on
(10:33):
sort of how you think this audience, particularly when it
comes to the mass deportation fights, can sort of be
the counter resistance to the resistance, not just in the
form of the shot troops on the streets, but particularly
sort of the embeds within the Trump administration. How we
sort of give them, shall we say, a McCarthy esque
treatment to ensure that these mass deportations actually materialize.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
That's brilliant. So let me lay it up this way.
I think that's a way that it can be a
construct when you think about it, As we said, we
have the convergence of two kind of crises at the
very beginning of Trump's second term.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Number one, you have the whole financial with the debt.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Ceiling, the budget that we have to you know, cut
the you know, with Elon, I understand, uh, you know.
My knowledge of what's going on at the Transition office
and down in mar Lago itself is Elon's all over this,
and he's really thinking through significant smart cuts on efficiencies
and things.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Like that in the budget.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Then you have the tax revision, so that's that whole
financial and you've got the Scott Bestons and other people
working on the other is the mass deportations.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Those will be the action plans.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
The other third is the is the deconstruction of the
administrative state, which will be part of deregulation, but also
the holding of accountability and the deconstruction of the deep state.
As the federal says it has to be a reckoning
then unity. What they're kind of go back to deportations
(12:03):
because that's I've said, going to be the original I think.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
High impact point of contact.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
They've already very smartly gone to the rhinos and gone
to the rubios and going to sales are and listen,
we understand that the Hispanics are coming on now in
a way that not just had us get a blowout
win on Tuesday, but could be part of this coalition
going forward and can get us to the two thirds
one third that we could actually you know, dominate and
(12:30):
govern for fifty years or more like the nineteen thirty
two realignment. The one thing I think we need is
precision and language and look correct me if I'm wrong.
I think we're getting kind of sloppy in the in
the analysis, and that's why you see the left what
they're throwing up at us is actually incorrect. My belief
is what we must focus on initially is the illegal
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alien migrants or illegal alien innovators or undocumented migrants, however
you want to categorize. That that came across from the
moment that Biden took you know, did thirty or fifty
or sixty executive orders on the afternoon of the twentieth
of January twenty twenty one to take off all the
(13:15):
safeguards to President Trump had to try to secure the
border right two basically today because you know, or to
the day Trump comes back in, because you know, another
man are coming up. When people are talking about twelve
or fifteen or that, there's I think twenty five or
thirty illegal alien or undocumented folks here. We're not going
(13:38):
back to old times. I said, people have been here decades,
they have children. That's an issue for another day. The
issue before us, I think most importantly and will get
the attention of the African American in this band community
that voted for US, is what Biden did.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
The flood, the zone.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I believe that's eleven million to fifteen Mini. That's that's
the universe we're talking about. And they come to their triage.
They are the insane as sims and the mentally issues
that Trump talks about clearly the prisoners, which is huge,
and then you get down to the population. As I said,
and Caroline Levin and others said, all fifteen man have
to go home. But that should be the universe. We
(14:16):
must just deal initially because it's going to take a
couple of years. You're going to have to have deals
with countries, but you must. We must focus on what
Biden and Harris and the progressive left in the corporations,
the Wall Street barons, the big corporations did under Biden's
regime to unwind.
Speaker 9 (14:35):
When Trustee, we're coming up against the end of the break,
it feels weird for me to be interrupting you, but
we will be right back warm Posse, I will say MSNBC,
they're always heckling you and Stephen Miller the tip of
the sphere when it comes to deconstructing the administrative state
and securing the southern border, respectively.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
It's the two issues I think they're most concerned about.
Stephen K. Bann and Natalie Winters some other guests.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
Got exactly the same number of votes that he got
in twenty squinty, so there wasn't a growing of the
number of people who voted for him. What Democrats have
to look at is why is it that ten million
of our voters stayed home?
Speaker 7 (15:15):
Why they didn't, where were they?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
What happened? And that is a.
Speaker 9 (15:21):
You're back in the war room, and hey, MSNBC, I'm
happy to come on the show explain that to you.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
I'm sure Stephen K.
Speaker 9 (15:27):
Bannon, I'm sure any member of the war and posse
would love to come on and explain to you why
those ten million voters seemingly just stayed home.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
But let's cut to the chase.
Speaker 9 (15:37):
It's because they never existed in the first place. It's
funny to watch the Atlantic magazine. They're already and meltdown
about the Stop the Steel movement. They have a new
piece up today. Quote the stop the Steel Movement isn't
letting up. In twenty twenty four, false claims of voter
fraud were about more than election denialism.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
Like you know, they're already clutching their earls.
Speaker 9 (16:00):
I guess Tim Miller's pearls panicking about the mass deportations,
and they say that the outgrowth, the outcrop of the
Stop the Steel movement is that we've actually been hyping
and amping the threat of non citizens voting only to
lay the political pretext and groundwork to sort of support
the idea that we need mass deportations. I'd humbly push
(16:21):
back voting fraud aside. I think we have just enough evidence.
I'd actually point you to.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
I think it was.
Speaker 9 (16:26):
Barack Obama's own Labor Department that commissioned the studies showing
that mass illegal immigration has suppressed the wages of black
and brown Americans by significant measures. But I guess if
you don't care about American citizenship or Americans and you
intentionally want to destroy this country, Rachel Mattow, it's not us,
(16:47):
it's not US A's trying to break the dollar, it's you, guys. Well,
then I guess it's almost like you had some sort
of master plan. But the election of President Donald J.
Trump got in there and interrupted it all. Steve Bannon
joins us remotely, we got Jack Pisoback. I think Rudy
Giuliani joining us later in the show before we get
to that, Steve, I'm curious to get.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
On one second. One second, I want to go back
my shirt. The audiences is up to this because we
have our staff working of this. The mathematical expert they
had that opened that is actually dead wrong. I believe
that President Trump has reached approximately seventy four million, which
is the number he had, the legitimate number he had
in twenty twenty. And correct me if I'm wrong, Natalie Winners.
(17:31):
I think there's still eight percent of the vote out.
Our staff is actually believes he will reach seventy six
maybe seventy eight million votes.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
He will blow through.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Look in sixteen, I thought it did a pretty good job,
sixty three and a half million votes. I think we
had President Trump gets seventy four million to twenty just
a blowout number.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
This time, Natalie, I think he's going.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
To get seventy six to seventy eight million votes, where
they're still going to be at the end of the day,
I don't know, eight to ten million minimum light, So
they've got a huge air pocket.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Trump's blown through it. That's what this. That's why a
lot of.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
People are asking about twenty twenty or exactly what went
on here, and I think we had to be very
precise and not let the mainstream media just say, oh,
Trump just got what he got in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
That's not correct.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
All the votes are still not counted, particularly in places
like Arizona in California, and so.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I think that Trump number is going to be much higher, ma'am.
Speaker 9 (18:26):
The power of this audience is at least I think
ten million strong, whatever you want to put the margin is,
like we said, it's probably going to grow. Those are
votes that they could not jam into the system because
of the efforts of this audience. You see it on
full display. And Steve, you know you were speaking. I
think punchball vers supported it. But at the House Freedom
Caucus sort of new member orientation, and you were bold
(18:49):
and brave enough to bring up the stolen twenty twenty
election to a room of people who I'm sure certainly
are not all on board with talking about that. But
I'm curious as we discussed, you know, special counsel investigations
setting up, whether it's congressional committees, whatever the actual lever
of power may be.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
I mean, I would certainly advocate it.
Speaker 9 (19:07):
I think you would probably agree, But on the issue
of election integrity. You know, they always say, oh, we
can't we must move forward, we can't look into the past.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
But I think we need to look back. Do you
think that we need special Yeah, it's a question.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I'm going to ask you. It's two things. Number One,
because we haven't had chances.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Number One, my construct about on the mass deportations. I
think we have to basically kind of ring fence what
we're talking about metaphorically, we have to.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I think we have to do that. I don't think
we can make a broad thing of going through every.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Illegal aliens in the country, because there have been people
here for decades.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And look, we're not amnesty people. I'm just talking about
for the mechanics of at number one, how do we
do that?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Because when we complicated enough, and I think we have
to say that this was the Biden regime's plan right
basically to crush the black and Hispanic working class, and
we can find that for people.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Number Two, I think you've done.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
You're the tip of the spear, along with you know,
Michael Benz and Darren Beattie and Raheem Casam and beginning
of the Color Revolution.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I would ask.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
You, where do you start, if you're going to set
up a special prosecutor, and people should know. I believe
that that's going to happen because there's a lot of
people believe that the House, even with the great guys
like Gates and others, they'll just particular with House leadership,
that thing may be mannder. It's not that the House
doesn't have a role. Judiciary has to do this. They
(20:31):
have to look at DOJ and everything went on. But
you need something more formal. I would ask you the question,
you know, where do you start with the deportations?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
What's the university?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Go after and combat to color revolution? Because the resistance
is getting stronger every minute. This is why we're spend
so much time with the war and posse that the
resistance is now gone to the states, which we'll talk
about the second.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
But where do you think what's the railhead?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
We have to go back and kind of as the
Federalist papers say, the Federals magazine says, you know, to
get to the reckoning before you get to the unity.
Speaker 9 (21:07):
Well, in the issue of I think election integrity, which
dovetails I think actually quite closely with the immigration, particularly
the narrative messaging.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
I think you need to get rid of SISSA from
the get go.
Speaker 9 (21:18):
I think that's a day one First Hour totally disbands SISSA.
This country survived up until twenty eighteen without it.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
We don't need it. It's a hotbed of censorship.
Speaker 9 (21:27):
They don't do anything when it comes to cybersecurity attacks.
How that links to immigration Obviously it's under DHS, but
they're sort of the tip of the spear when it
comes to pushing back against obviously truthful information that this
show puts out. So I think just from a messaging perspective,
getting rid of SISA would certainly help. But I think
the issue too is with the people who are running DHS. Hopefully,
(21:49):
I think, you know, Tom Homan, people like Steven Miller
are going to be around, but I think that we
have to root out the ideological apparatrics who don't view
themselves as just sort of following the marching orders of
the President Trump's of the world right. And I'm not
just talking about the career civil servants. DHS I mean
should essentially be reduced, I think to more of a
cbp Ice style agency in the sense that they're focusing
(22:13):
on mobilizing and you know, militarizing lowercase m you know,
ice and all these various agencies to carry out what's
going on at the White House. Which I think the
corollary to that is that whoever's running ppo the staffing
the personnel office within the White House is going to
be a very, very important position. But I also think
you're already starting to see a chorus of news articles
(22:34):
and especially on the resistance side, the organizing, the activism
all of these left wing groups. Right it's sort of
the new derivation I think of left wing lawfare where
they'll be defending these people from mass deportations. On MSNBC,
they're talking about how they want to sue you know,
every raid, every late night raid. We're going to make
sure that they have every payment. You know, We're going
to make it really difficult for the Trump administration to
(22:56):
carry this stuff out. So many of these left wing
groups are right by the dark money, by these forces
that then tie in more broadly to the you know,
wonderful umbrella that is the cultural and color revolution. So
I think by identifying the donors, you know, bringing in
the Mike Benzes of the world. Again, like we said,
whether it's on the congressional side of things, are coming
(23:17):
from the White House, but to really expose an unmask
who is behind a lot of these activists groups, I
think that that is something that's going to be very important.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
But I also think.
Speaker 9 (23:27):
Too that this Posse just needs to to really buckle up.
We saw what the media hurled against us in twenty sixteen,
right the scary sob stories of the children and oh,
you know, the little grandma. It is up to us
to win the narrative battle because we're not just like
I was talking about in the previous segment, We're not
(23:47):
just up against the Democrats right on fighting the mass
deportation stuff. I'd say there's probably more of an almost
insurmountable sort of embed within the Republican Party that's going
to be opposing the mass deeps, and they're already coming
out now trying to sort of reframe the issue, make
it a limited hangout a little bit softer than I
think the initial punch that this sort of MAGA movement,
(24:10):
the war Room Posse crew is probably more down with.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
And you know what, Steve, the other thing, I would say.
Speaker 9 (24:16):
There was a story that we broke while while you
were in prison, and it was a one of the
chief counsel to the USCIS. In his free time, he
wasn't satisfied with destroying this country through legal channels of invasion.
So in his free time he actually had a TikTok
account where he was making videos coaching people on how
(24:36):
to avoid deportation a kid. You not how successful illegal
aliens were making so much money coming into the United States.
Those people should be prosecuted, tried for trees, and frankly,
I'd throw people like MAJORCIS in there to set the precedent.
There's no pandemic amnesty, there's no invasion amnesty going on.
The best way to make sure that this not just
(24:57):
doesn't happen again, but that people don't actively try to
go out of their way to subvert President Trump is
to make examples, not because it's unjustified, but wholly justified
examples out of people like MAJORCIS, like these crazy USCIS
em beds, like these sorows operatives who've been running immigration
policy for so long.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
We've got about a minute, Steve your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
No, no, I want to go back. You talk about that.
It's not just the Rubios and the salosarsad you've got.
You talked about our side the fence. Tell the audience
what your reporting shows on Jeff Miller. Jeff Miller is
you know, camped out in mar Lager for a couple
of days before we added him.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
He's taken off for a while.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
But he's the guy that's in with some of these
people in the transition. He's McCarthy's you know, he's the
head of the swamp brigade for McCarthy. And you're the
one that went and investigated what's the immigration group.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
That he's one of his clients.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
One of the most significant client is is what group
Natalie a.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
US Immigration Services.
Speaker 9 (25:58):
It's a huge EB five, you know, high profile, high
networth individual visa essentially money laundering operation, but really citizenship
laundering operation. But this audience knows right like we say,
it's the fight we always wanted when we say they
aren't going to give us the keys to the Kingdom
on January twentieth, that they isn't just limited to Democrats, No, no, no,
(26:21):
it certainly applies to the sort of I would say
shape shifting, you know, trans America first. However, you want
to couch it people in the form of Jeff Miller,
in the form of Kevin McCarthy who are desperate for relevance,
desperate for political power, and they're going to try to
glom on like the grifters that they are to your backs,
the MAGA movement that drove this victory forward. So it's
(26:42):
important to call out the Jeff Millers, who might also
add lobbies for Pfizer because of course, but this is
what the fight is about, and it's what we have
a heck of a lot more control over than we
do Democrats for the Resistance Stephen Kvan and Natalie Winter's
much more right after the short break.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
I think we're going to see a lot of you know,
courage and resourcefulness at the state level, at the local level.
And there's a long history in authoritarian context of this.
It works best at the beginning of an authoritarian you
know state, or when it's becoming a weak when it's fraying.
(27:22):
But there's a long history of bureaucratic resistance inside government,
civil servants as well as you know, we have the
tradition of states rights, right, and this is part of
what these governors are talking about.
Speaker 9 (27:41):
States rights. I don't know you were allowed to say
that anymore. I guess if you're a part of the resistance,
you get a pass. But right there to the other
veried lead, bureaucratic resistance. Right, that's they're giving you the
battle plan, the locus of where a lot of the
resist the opposite. Maybe resistance is too nice a term,
just like Steve isn't like saying deep state. It's in
(28:01):
your face, right, this is not some clandestine operation. This
is up in your grill, militant. They're coming for you
form of opposition. Like they say, elections are just a tactic.
I think four years of democracy drivel counteris against that.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Steve, your thoughts, Okay, War and Posse, take your number
two princils out.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
We're going to write some things down. This is the beginning. Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
This is the other angle, the blocking position of the resistance,
and they're using They're going to use the courts and
the power of the governments. Look, we believe, as you know, Natalie,
in federalism. We believe in the Tenth Amendment. We think
it's very important. We'd love pushing things back to the states.
That's what we think. Hey, the elections are in state level.
We don't need a bunch of federal laws there. There
(28:44):
should be state level the state legislature should be on
top of these things. Like the Constitution says, we believe
that we're a big, huge believer in states rights. Now
realize as a kid coming from Richmond, Virginia, that can
kind of get loaded sometimes. But President Trump on the
abortion issue, he's a huge believer in devolving this back
to the states.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
And that's where we say, hey, even in Ohio and in.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Kansas, where the citizens out there have not gone to
kind of hard pro life positions but kind of take
i think more of a moderate stance, and they're very
conservative states. States to Trump are winning by you know,
seven and eight points. He's fine with that because of
believe state. Here's what's going on, though, I think even
(29:27):
more importantly, the twenty twenty eight Democratic primary is starting
right now.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
In that part of the resistance movement.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Pritzker, Whittmer, Newsome, Shapiro, they are going to run in
twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Eight a governor.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
They've kind of had it with, you know, the people
like Kamala Harris. They think their power is governors, and
particularly governors of what they think are red states like Pennsylvania,
like Michigan, like Wisconsin that you know, had went for
Trump Ump, but have these kind of progressive liberals. So
I think, Natalie, what you're seeing here is that folks
(30:07):
this part of the of the of what they're calling
states rights.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
What they're saying is that they're going.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
To block Trump at every effort, and they're going to
be very public about It's going to be some very
high profile.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
This is not like you know, pax and the guys.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
We had them on the show on the twentieth of
January twenty twenty one. I admit we had them up
there and what they said to the degree that Biden
will be follow the Constitution and Mary Garland follow the
Constitution and'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Where they're not, they're going to have to step in.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And Paxson was the leader of that, but it was
never really led at a governor's level. As more ags here,
we have ags that started, but the governors are stepping in.
Pritsker actually said, if you want to come for my people,
you have to come through me the twenty twenty eight
Democratic primary to run against the whoever wins the primary
and follows President Trump. As the leader of the MAGA
(30:58):
movement is going to confront with these governors. And I'm
going to tell you the media is going to cover
this like nobody's business. So the twenty twenty eight Democratic
primaries started. It started in these big states with these
Democratic governors, particularly in the Red states, throwing newsome also,
and you're about to see a firestorm in this, ma'am.
Speaker 9 (31:20):
Shall we call it the fort Sumter of the twenty
twenty eight Democratic primary.
Speaker 7 (31:26):
But I think it's even broader than that.
Speaker 9 (31:27):
I think you're talking about the future of the entire
Democratic Party right, like we were talking about yesterday. How
they decide to triage and interpret their loss in twenty
twenty four will dictate their strategy going forward. In other words,
if they buy into the sort of Alex Wagner mindset, right,
the idea that they lost on the issues because they
(31:48):
didn't actually tend to what the working class the you know,
broad across racial and ethnic lines, that working class issue.
Speaker 7 (31:55):
If they take that.
Speaker 9 (31:56):
Side of the coin, then frankly, I think we have
a better opponent in the sense that you'll embrace left
wing populism. Obviously, they will never be able to touch
the issue of immigration, so we'll always run circles around
them on that. But I think you're going to see,
for lack of a better word, sort of this you know,
civil war, whether it'll turn you know, into actual hot
kinetic warfare. Their side certainly seems to have a pension
(32:16):
for doing that. But the elites, just in the same
way that they didn't, you know, want to give Bernie
Sanders the nomination, the sort of establishment Democratic Party wing.
I don't think that they're going to want to seed
that ground, you know, Justice Democrats, the kind of AOC
squad type group. They put out their statement squarely blaming
the twenty twenty four loss on Democratic leadership, saying we
(32:37):
need new leadership, and that's a direct quote.
Speaker 7 (32:39):
So I think you're going to see that sort of.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
Internal, for lack of a better word, struggle session break out.
And that's why it's really important for this audience to
be so attuned to, I think, how they're reacting to
their twenty twenty four loss, because it's going to determine
their battle plan moving ahead.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I think that's brilliant. Also, just to bring up some history,
because you know, we're history nuts here.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
The Civil and then the run up to the Civil
War and particularly after President Lincoln was elected. Remember of
President Lincoln, you talk about a minority. It didn't get
the popular vote. He won an electoral college a huge margin,
but the popular vote was significantly below fifty percent. It
(33:22):
was wait for it, democratic governors that said that that
went up against federal power in what they what they
argued was.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
The South fight for independence. So it's kind of interesting here.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I'm just saying, Hey, it's democratic governors and they're really
coming after President Trump. This is going to be a major,
major battle at every level, and this one particularly when
you start doing the deportations. They have said they will
fight this every way possible. They had the Attorney general
on for Colorado last night. I was able to see
maybe play that clip on one of the Monday shows.
(33:58):
He was the most aggressive. He said, We're not going
to let law enforcement be used. We're not going to
let local officials be used. We are teaming up with
companies to make sure the companies in the state oppose
what President Trump wants to do. So folks just strap
in here. This is this is going to be this
is going to.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Be a big one.
Speaker 9 (34:19):
Well, and to that point, I know you've been wanting
to get into this four B movement. You sort of
related it to what an old Greek play. I think
this strata.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
I know there was a no.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
This is huge. This goes back to the Greeks. There's
a play I think it's called List of Strata.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
It's where the women bind together to oppose the men
and some of the philosophies and the men are really
the patriarchy and the and the wars that men were fighting.
I think it's Aristophanes. I think wrote the play very
famous in the kind of the classical repertoire. Was was
performed a lot in London. You have this movement called
the four B movement. I want to toss it to you,
(35:00):
but you're seeing another form of culture resistance. I think
this one's going to pick up steam, Natalie, as you've
told me, it's really kind of a TikTok movement. But hey,
the TikTok movement in twenty twenty two is the reason
we didn't have the total rit tsunami. We thought it
was Matt Gaetz that call that says, hey, the TikTok
coming off of the the Dobbs decision about Roe v.
(35:20):
Wade really really you know, constrained it. So I would
like to have you should walk the audience dough for
the first time what's going on here, because I think
it's quite significant. I've always said that this thing of
the of the time times up about the patriarchy versus
populism and nationalism will be one.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Of the big things.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
And I think we're we're moving beyond race and we're
getting the gender.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
And I think this is going to be a huge,
huge issue going forward.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
Man, So let me get this straight.
Speaker 9 (35:47):
You don't want to man explain the four B movement
to the audience.
Speaker 7 (35:52):
I'll jump in bout the way exactly the audience, who,
by the.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Way, is actually more anti FOB than I am, But
that's that will come up in her conversation.
Speaker 9 (36:07):
I think the four of Me movement probably indirectly benefits
me for our audience, who isn't super deep in TikTok lore,
which power to you. The four me movement originated in
South Korea, but it's actually more radical than the play
that you're referencing that they just didn't want to sleep
with their husbands, but in this case, no sex, no
(36:29):
giving birth, no dating, no marriage for all women, not
just with biological men, but transgender men too. You know,
I think it's important to contextualize this, right when you read,
for example, the Vanity Fair piece or just how they
describe this show. When they refer to us as an army,
it's not because we were the ones to weaponize first, right,
(36:51):
they weaponized against us, and we responded, and like we
said yesterday, what we nearly avoided and don't don't make
any mistake, it's still certainly here. The forces are still prevalent, prevalent,
but was a full scale cultural revolution that was saved
by the grace of God and President Donald J.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
Trump.
Speaker 9 (37:11):
But the activists, the organizers, the dark money, these spiritual
forces behind all of that are not going anywhere. And
I think that this movement represents two things. One of course,
is the discourse we can have on feminism and the
idea of women trying to reclaim their power. But I
think that it works really nicely with this kind of
superstructure that has become so important to the left in
(37:34):
these times of resistance, which is civil society.
Speaker 7 (37:38):
Because tacitly admitted there is that.
Speaker 9 (37:41):
They don't have control or influence over actual power in
the form of the government, in the form of the
White House, Congress sent you name it right, And I
think you're going to start to see these weird sort
of cultural nuances develop. Cultural movements come to the forefront
because it's their only way to grab power back. And
(38:01):
you already see this. The Women's March is already mobilizing
and materializing. Tens of thousands of people are getting ready
to descend.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
On Washington, d C.
Speaker 9 (38:09):
But when you look at the way that they've treated
the MAGA movement, and I'm not just talking about the
FEMA workers who yesterday quite literally we're told to not
go to houses that have Trump signs outside if you
think they're willing to weaponize the entire force, faith, and
credit of the United States Government against President Trump and
not help dying Trump's supporters in North Carolina, while of
(38:33):
course in the same breast sending billions to Ukraine and
Israel and Taiwan in every other country, you think they're
not going to keep coming with you with a vengeance
like you are for you, with a vengeance like you've
never seen. Like we said, November fifth was the day
where we either saw the Trump movement the Maga movement
become the equivalent what I would say of Mao's hundred
(38:55):
Flowers campaign, where they treated it like a political sie
up only to identify and jail their opposition.
Speaker 7 (39:01):
The jailing, of course, it's a little close to home
here in the war room.
Speaker 9 (39:05):
Or we beat it back, and we did, but now
you're seeing the radicalization, particularly of young women who are
taking to TikTok and making videos about how they're not.
Speaker 7 (39:16):
Going to sleep with any man. It's their way to
take their power back.
Speaker 9 (39:19):
But it's the proof that they actually have no power,
and that they're freaking out and that they're really scared
of what President Trump is going to do.
Speaker 7 (39:27):
And that they've lost the narrative.
Speaker 9 (39:29):
And in speaking of losing narratives, I think an important
fact for this audience to be up to date on
so when you hear, oh, we need to keep soft
on the mass deportations, and oh this know that Springfield
Clark County, Ohio, home to Springfield, Trump gained six points
there as compared to twenty twenty. And that shows you
(39:54):
that the American people, their lived reality, does not comport
with what the mainstream means wants to tell you about
illegal immigration. And when they say that our criticisms of
their flood response is disinformation, No, no, no, that's victim blaming.
If your flood response sucks intentionally at that because you
(40:15):
hate American citizens, We're going to call you out on
it because it's intentional, and thank god we have someone
whose only intentions are to put America first and make
this country great again. The fact that that's such a
radical policy proposal that's prompting girls to go out and
say that they're not going to sleep, merry or have
children with men because of that shows you how far
(40:38):
down the culturally Marxist rabbit hole we are and why
it's more imperative than ever that this audience keeps their
shoulder to the wheel. Though I'd humbly pose it, I've
seen the TikTok girls making the videos. I don't think
the men are missing out on much. We'll be right back.
Stephen K.
Speaker 7 (40:57):
Bannon posobic at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
The use your host, Stephen K Ban.
Speaker 9 (41:10):
Welcome back to the War Room. Natalie Winter's hosting here
out of Washington, d C. But don't worry, Stephen K
Ban and still joining us remotely. Steve, I'll bring you
in your thoughts. Maybe that's one of my first rants
that you got to witness.
Speaker 7 (41:23):
Since you've been back, well.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
You're coming with the learning curve brand. I want to
get back to all this is very important I want
to do. You know, we handle a lot of financial
material and events on here. We're tracking very closely President
Trump's finance team is going to be the Secretary Treasury,
who's going to become total of the currency, who's going
to be the NEC in the Domestic Policy councilor with
(41:48):
the White House. We got a lot of updates. We're
seeing a lot of great stuff. I think people are
going to be quite happy trade all of it. I
think a real MAGA and I would say almost ultra
mega economic teams come together.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
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We have a relationship with Birch Gold that they put
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Speaker 1 (44:01):
But you got to take care of it. The IRS
stuff's not going to go away. Natalie, the Vanity Fair
did a great.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Piece on us, actually two pieces of one about my
association with some of the hardest core traditional Catholics and Christians,
and the following issue is about the war room, and
everyone should read that should read that article. One of
the things that jumped off the page they framed it.
That really the war room and what the war I'm
trying to put forward with the posse, and the reason
the posse is so strong as that we represent a
(44:31):
political aspect of what they call traditionalism. Now, traditionalist comes
out of Europe. It has many different meetings. You got
some writers there that are quite deep about going back
into time in a myth, but then they bring it
up currently and they said, hey, a lot of this
could be just the traditional patriarchy, the traditional family structure
versus modernity. And I find it quite interesting. And the
(44:53):
four B movement in Korea does have aspects that are
quite deep and really associated with Korean societ and what's
happening as they become one of the leading post industrial countries.
But at least on the surface, it does comport with
a lot was in lists of strata, which was the
rejection of traditional society at the time. Uh, these wives said, hey,
(45:15):
we're not going to sleep with the men until the
men stop stopped going to war all the time. Your
thoughts today of how this really ties back to traditionalism
and what are called the patriarchy and the tread wife
movement and all that.
Speaker 9 (45:30):
Man, Well, real quick, I'm noticing I just sat down
and the war Path coffee bag of the dark ROAs
coffee is missing. So I don't know if you took
it took it with you, but you got to be
choking out as well.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
I took it with me already had a morepath dot coffee.
Make sure you go and get a big hot batch
tage Ga.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Thanks are joining us later.
Speaker 9 (46:01):
And whatever you do, don't ask don't ask a woman
to make it or each you may just become the
latest for be supporter. But no, I think it's much
like immigration, right, It's not just a cultural phenomenon. It's
inextricably linked to the economy too, which is what you
were alluding to. And I think it's part of this
broader idea. I mean, look, they made traditionalism. They essentially
(46:21):
they are anti choice in the sense that they deprived
young Americans of the ability to really even decide or
choose or opt in to wanting to live a traditional
lifestyle or being a stay at home mom. And I'm
not just talking about the demonization of motherhood, the demonization
of masculinity. But financially, of course, in concert with you know,
the UNS and the world economic forms of the world,
they have waged full scale warfare economic information, biological chemical
(46:45):
I mean that's right, it's all the RFK junior stuff
they're talking about, the dropping sperm counts and the hormone
disruptions and women. Right, they have done everything they can
to make that, you know, quintessential American lifestyle of a
nuclear household fundamentally and fiscally impossible. Right, and right now
you're sort of seeing the aftershock. I think of them
melting down.
Speaker 6 (47:04):
You know.
Speaker 9 (47:05):
I saw someone I'm at NBC saying that our counter
to Joe Rogan needs to be putting forth, not a
fascist podcast network, but a feminist podcast network. That's how
we're going to win men over. But it shows you
how out of touch they are. And I also think
there's something quite you know, interesting to this whole concept
of the four B movement in the sense that the
current system that they're buying into, right, is one beloved
(47:27):
by feminists, right, the degenerate sort of you know, hookup
culture that's so untethered from anything that I think anyone
who watches this show would called would call Christian morality
or Judeo Christian values. And it's just sort of an
interesting thing, right. These girls are opting out of a
culture of a way of living that, at the end
of the day, really only I think disadvantages them.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Right.
Speaker 9 (47:49):
This is what people remember when I did the whatever podcast, Right,
it's that sort of lifestyle. The only fans just the
left wing cultural degeneracy. So it's sort of funny. I
guess it's maybe the horseshoe theory to a tee. But
they have fundamentally deprived young Americans in particular, of the
ability to even be trad to even be a trad wife, right,
(48:11):
It's financially impossible, And I think that is part of
the reason why you've seen such a movement among young
men who want to protect women in the same way
that President Trump says that, and the left wing media
melts down. It's not a radical proposition. It's what men
were created to do, and it's what women want men
to do. But they associate the pejorative connotation to it
(48:34):
when it doesn't need to be there. And I've already
watched MSNBC try to untangle this whole masculinity concept. They
can't even get three seconds into the discussion without talking
about toxic masculinity and mandating that the discussions be intersectional. Right,
they are so untethered from reality. But it's joyful. She'll
we use that word to watch Maybe that's the definition
(48:55):
of joy. Stephen Caban and Jack Withsobic right after this
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