January 1, 2025 • 49 mins
THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON NEW YEARS DAY SPECIAL
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Turnings are like the seasons. Every turning is necessary.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We discovered a recurring pattern, and implicit in that pattern
of generational recurrence the idea of a rhythm, a pattern,
a sequence of events that comes around again nature like cycles.
Cities are found in cities, collapse states, rise states, fall.
Families can prosper, families can wither. All follow certain repeating
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cyclical patterns.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
We end up inventing news cycles.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
So we have the financial market cycle, we have traffic cycles.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We have all kinds of modern high tech cycles which
we simply create.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
There are four turnings, each one roughly twenty years or
so long, so an entire four turnings or a circular
last about eighty two one hundred years.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
A series of attorneys that are launched by a so
called crisis world. It's a time when there's a lot
of genocide, killing, a lot of starvation, usually a lot
of disease. It's the worst times in history. And once
one of those is over, everybody, both the victors and
the losers, make a vow that that was so horrible
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it should never be allowed to happen again. That's really
the key to understanding what happens next.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
The first turning is the high, like the fifties, that
comes after the crisis.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
It's a period of consolidation.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
It's a period of stable families and stable family structures.
Lots of kids are born, lots of infrastructure is built,
but emotional life becomes more or less dead and begins.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
To die out. Baby Boomers have no memory of World
War Two. Their childhood is the American High. Next comes
the Awakening.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
The perfect little children of the High, like the Boom generation,
become young a du else.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
They came of age during that period of rapid social
and cultural change, when we changed everything about how we felt,
how we thought, how we talked, how we dressed. We
changed America's feelings about itself, our moral agenda.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Suddenly their emotions breakout and all hell breaks loose.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
This became a generation of great passion, of youth anger
that mark arives in every age in drug use, teen pregnancy, crime,
risk taking, suicide.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Then comes the unraveling, in the awakening, the eternal truths,
the verities that had build up in the High, the
values are questioned. That process accel rates during the unraveling,
and restraints are broken down in personal life and economic life,
In political life, unravelings in America have certain common characteristics.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
They tend to be eras.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Of a lot of economic speculation and more more stronger
boom and bus cycles.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
For example, line that up with the nineteen twenties, or
go back to the eighteen fifties.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
In America, go back to the seventeen sixties.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Considering the nineteen nineties a decade of cynicism and bad manners,
and public authorities seem to be pretty weak. You notice
repeatedly recurring again these eras that feel very similar.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
History teaches that usually third turning finally issue into a
fourth turning. Well, the fourth turning is the crisis, and
history shows that if an event doesn't.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Trigger a fourth turning, a fourth turning.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Leader will actually encourage one to happen, or one will
simply hit us because of all the deferred public decisions
that weren't made during the recent third turning.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
This comes to a head in the fourth turning.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Worth turning has become new founding moments of our nation's history. Obviously,
one fourth turning was the period of the American Revolution.
Another fourth turning was the Civil War era in which.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
We redefined who we were as a nation. In World
War Two and the New Deal. Think of everything that
changed in that era.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
We re established mankind's relationship with technology, government's relationship with
the economy, America's relationship with the world.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
And so my dear fall.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
In so.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
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Speaker 7 (05:30):
We too have.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Brass song.
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Speaker 5 (05:56):
So for.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
A song I gave f.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Fee and mess yet all.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
Song and.
Speaker 9 (06:34):
See if we.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
Can't set.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
In song.
Speaker 10 (07:00):
A song.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
My dear.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Sonsnats song, my.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
Song we.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Comesnat.
Speaker 8 (07:54):
Oh, this is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Speaker 11 (08:19):
Pray for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on
these people. Here's not got a free shot. All these
networks lying about the people. The people have had a
belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world
to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
Speaker 9 (08:35):
It's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
And where do people like that go to share the
big line? Mega media?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of
these people had a conscience.
Speaker 11 (08:46):
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
If that answer is to save my country? This country
will be saved.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Worry.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Here's your host, Stephen Kman.
Speaker 12 (09:06):
It's Wednesday, one January, in the year of Our Lord,
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 11 (09:11):
How does that sound. It's got to flow to it,
doesn't it? Twenty twenty five.
Speaker 12 (09:16):
You're here in the war room and it's our New
Year's Day Special and I'm going to be joined today
by our own Joe Allen. We're going to talk about
this whole techno feudalism, and we're going to talk about
the singularity and what's happening in the convergence of all
these different sciences and what to look forward and how
big an issue is going to become a twenty twenty five.
Speaker 11 (09:37):
Sir Raheem Cassam is going to join us also.
Speaker 12 (09:40):
We're going to get into this whole thing that's going
on with really with tech feudalism, in this underpinning of
the on the MAGA right. We'll get into that in updates,
and Sir Ben Harnwell is going to join me. We're
going to talk about Joe, politics.
Speaker 11 (09:56):
And all of it.
Speaker 12 (09:56):
But in our New Year's Day show we try to
both summarai. It's kind of where we take off on
the New year's Eve show, summarize where we've been and
where we're going. Ben, just pull the camera back for
a second. You've been with us for a number of years.
Now we're going to begin I think twenty twenty five
is going to be the most intense consequential year in
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modern world politics. It's going to be upon us as
this populous nationalist movement worldwide starts to get traction. But
we still have a massive fight against the as you
call him, our sociopathic elite globalist tech overlords. Sir, can
you frame it for us twenty twenty five?
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Yes, Stein, I think you said that up perfectly.
Speaker 10 (10:41):
Only I would add that the fight now in twenty
twenty five, seeing as MAGA has pretty much won the
revolution inside the GOP, this FINT is going to be
within MAGA, I think within.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
The America First Movement.
Speaker 10 (10:55):
President Trump has most all the cards in his hand
to do what he needs to do, to do what
he wants to do. The quist is is that what
does he want to do? That's I think the issue
that that's going to evolve over the course of the
next twelve months. And if you look a couple of
days ago, over the fighting over this H one B
visa issue, and then of course again a couple of
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days ago, President Trump came out and then fully endorsed
Mike Johnson. And I'm looking at the resistance of these
things from within, looking at the comments on getting what
have you.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
These things are not going down well.
Speaker 10 (11:32):
With the base, with the movement, and I think that's
setting up this issue for the whole of this year
now twenty twenty five, not next year. This year, we're
going to work out exactly what this movement intends to do,
not only with this administration, but also for the next
generation's fight that this administration is going to lead the way.
Speaker 11 (11:53):
On let's pull it back.
Speaker 12 (11:57):
When we look at the geopolitics and in the world stage,
we've got a minute or two here in this block.
You've been our closest because you're the outpost in Rome
of following the Ukraine situation. But President Trump, because we
have three kind of things he's got to do simultaneously.
One is in the you know, the Third World wars
now and it's initial kinetic phase. He's got to step
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in and end that. He's got the deportations of the
fifty million and ending the legal migration. I think a
quote unquote legal migration was just a joke, and then
deal with all this massive debt problems. And quite frankly,
he's doing it for the United States in our currency
because it underpins the entire world system of three hundred
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trillion dollars of debt.
Speaker 11 (12:42):
Your your assessment, Well.
Speaker 10 (12:45):
Two of these issues Ukraine and the budget, President Trump
in endorsing, fully endorsing ad Mike no Johnson. He's keeping
in the key position the head of the APEX and
who is singularly responsible for two of these issues, Steve,
which you have been repeating for months and months and
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months now unchanged and as we know, personal is policy.
So look, I go back to what I said before.
These issues will need to be worked out. And I'm
sorry to have to say this to the war Imposse.
You know, I'd like to say, look, go and have picnics, relaxed, chill.
We won the election in November, so look, you know
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we can relax.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
It's not going to be like that.
Speaker 10 (13:31):
I think really now more than ever before, more than
the election, yourself, the war in Posse, We're going to
have to all of us collectively keep our shoulder to
the wheel. You know, we won the important part getting
you touch, you touch, your getting a vacation hangover a second.
Speaker 12 (13:53):
Ben joins us from the Eternal City. That would be wrong.
We've got Raheem's going to join us. Joe Allen's going
to address I couldn't think of a better group to
kick off the most intense, the most important of the
most impactful.
Speaker 11 (14:11):
Don't even know if that's a word.
Speaker 12 (14:14):
Year in not just our nation's history, but the world's history.
We started with my film Generation zero about turnings. We're
in a fourth turning now talk more about that. We'll
drill down all of it. I think this is the
Dublin Girls Choir amazing. We're going to play a lot
of different versions of old line Zigon today short commercial
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break back in.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
Ther mornth.
Speaker 12 (15:14):
Okay, that's the Robert Shaw Corral and I love I've
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always loved the sound of Achipelago with male voices and
Robert shawkra has always been my favorite, one of my favorites.
Speaker 11 (15:46):
Ben joins us from the Eternal City from Rome.
Speaker 12 (15:51):
Ben, when I say this is going to be the
most consequential, the most urgent, the most intense, and I
believe the most dangerous year, and I say this after
a stunning victory, a sweeping victory on November fifth.
Speaker 11 (16:06):
Why do you think one? Do you agree with me?
In two? If so, why.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Yeah, I do agree with you. And let's use the
Ucidides trap analogy. Within a single country.
Speaker 10 (16:19):
What you have within a single territory here is a
declining Hegermonton. That is to say, our sociopathic overlords being
replaced by an emergent power.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
And that's the American First Movement.
Speaker 10 (16:32):
And as you introduced this concept to a wide popular comprehension,
I think it's a perfect way to illustrate this declining
regime is not going to go peacefully.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Into that dark night, not by any needs. It's going
to fight and fight and fight and make it as
difficult as possible. That's why it's so dangerous. It's not
just a cake.
Speaker 10 (16:55):
We're not just in any other election year here or
off the back of any other We're in a situation
where there is as you as you are pointing out
the seeds, the threads of dis Third World War dynamics
are clearly already well woven into the fabric of international politics.
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That is why the replacement of our sociopathic overlords is
so dangerous.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Who knows what they are going to do, and when
I say, they're.
Speaker 10 (17:24):
Going to make it as difficult as possible for Donald Trump,
who knows.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
What the limits are, if there are limits to the
things that they can do. But to give to give
us one.
Speaker 10 (17:34):
Example, Sergey Lover of the Russian Five Ministers a couple
of days ago that Russia was going to remove its
monitorium on its medium and long range missus following acts
that it caused of similar acts of aggression led by
the United States. All I can say about Steve is
that January the twin cannot come quickly enough to try
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and bring some de escalation to this. But by it,
you know, we know that the tentacles of the military
industrial complex are still very much alive, that they operate
throughout NATO, which is its effectively international puppet.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
So there's much to be attentive of. I'll just say
this point again.
Speaker 10 (18:18):
A couple of days ago we saw on the news
that Joe Biden in a single day, had authorized six
billion dollars worth of new military.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
And budget a support to Ukraine. This is a regime
which is which is losing the war.
Speaker 10 (18:36):
There's an article in Bloomberg and I don't know if
you saw this, that's saying that the same literally that
that Ukraine is losing this war. But you know, the press,
even the mainstream press, have been repeating that now over
over the course of.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
The last twelve months, Ukraine will lose this war.
Speaker 10 (18:53):
The question is what will our sociopathic overlords do off
the back of that to create a situation for Donald
Trump where I suppose what they really want to do
is to make him sit in the over office late
that night with his head in his hands and say, God,
I wish I'd never won this election.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
That's their agenda.
Speaker 12 (19:17):
The kinetic part of the Third World War concerns me.
I want to go back though to what you said.
It was quite brilliant you made this analogy. The cdity's
trap was Graham Allison's construct in talking about the relationship
or the geopolitical tension between China and the United States.
He went back through history and came up with fourteen
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examples or twelve examples where you've had a declining power
and a rising power.
Speaker 11 (19:44):
He went back.
Speaker 12 (19:45):
His principal thing was Athens and Sparta, and the one
fallacy he forgot.
Speaker 11 (19:51):
As I had lunch with him one day.
Speaker 12 (19:52):
I said, hey, has there ever been an example where
the declining power the elites in that country were making
more money in consolidating power more in their own country
on the way down than they were on the way up.
Speaker 11 (20:06):
And he got on with.
Speaker 12 (20:06):
Hubbard hubbar a Hubbard to Hubbard a Hubbard, and I said, well,
that's the situation we have here in the United States,
which he didn't disagree with, but you took it and
put it towards our sociopathic overlords.
Speaker 11 (20:16):
I think it's quite brilliant what I just wanted.
Speaker 12 (20:18):
This is a very important construct for the war and
posse to start to get their arms around.
Speaker 11 (20:25):
Walk me through that again.
Speaker 10 (20:27):
So it's as I understand that this principle of the
hypothesis of the Thucydides truck is that you have a hegemon,
a dominant territorial power, and then you have because as
you know, as you were talking about in the introduction,
as we were showing the four turnings, but various themes,
civilizations rise, they fall like bubbles in a lava lamp.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
This happens throughout human history.
Speaker 10 (20:53):
But when there's large hegemon hegomonic power that is overtaken
by an emerging power, then there's normally the declining hegemon,
UH does not go peacefully put resorts to war as
a last attempt to hold its script on power. And
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what I was suggesting is, you know, you might see
this even within a single territory. The facilities trap is
normally applied to different states, competing states, rival states, and
I was just sort of applying it within a single
territory to describe that this movement between two.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Power schema, if I can call it that, within within one.
Speaker 10 (21:33):
Country, you have our sociopathic overlords, the regime, capital t capital.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Art, the deep state.
Speaker 10 (21:40):
Call it what you will, this entity that is always
in control no matter which party is notionally in control
of the White House or Congress, it's it's it's a
it's a huge, amorphous entity that is always in control.
And what we see now, I think this is one
of the one of the truly epoch changing natures of
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the America. First Maga movement catapulting Donald Trump for the
first time in his political career twenty sixteen into the
White House and again in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Is a city is a relationship between a movement and
a person.
Speaker 10 (22:20):
Donald Trump was elected by the people with a popular
mandate to do certain things, and you never really have
that in American history. You take you have this sort
of the Buggins turn like whoever's next to the line
will will take up the mantle of nominee. And they
don't really do it do very much different. They don't
really challenge the system. Donald Trump because his power base
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and this is one of the I think it was
inevitable after the invention of the Internet and certainly after
social media. But Donald Trump's power base is not the
political party. It's the people specifically and directly. And America
hasn't really, I don't think had this before, not even
say in Andrew Jackson.
Speaker 9 (23:02):
And so he is in a.
Speaker 10 (23:03):
Uniquely primed position to defeat, to d to drive a
steak through the heart of the regime of the deep state.
And we know Steve from human history. People will kill
for very little. They will murder for very little. It
might be like a drug addict will kill someone that
he's robbing on the street for a few dollars up
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until sort of sort of people killing to get their
hands on a million pounds or something in inheritance.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
People are dark. They had. You know, they have dark hearts.
What a regime will do to keep his hands on.
Speaker 10 (23:39):
Its trillion dollars budget every year, that is something that
we're going to see.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
But we saw it. We saw I think elements of this.
Speaker 10 (23:49):
In Butler in Pennsylvania. They shot the man in the
face and thanks to the grace of God, did not succeed.
That is I think what I mean to say. Refer
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Speaker 12 (25:34):
Vivian Lee was in three movies in three years, Gone
with the Win in nineteen thirty nine, opposite Clark Gable,
Waterloo Bridge, a tear jerker Brion film in nineteen forty
Across from Robert Taylor, a huge star at the time,
and that Hamilton woman probably my favorite. One of my
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Speaker 11 (26:10):
I think she's a Norwegian singer. Cecil absolutely brilliant. On
a New Year's Day in twenty twenty five, here in
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Want to say.
Speaker 12 (28:56):
The le okay that's from Waterloo Bridge in nineteen thirty nine,
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talk about a young woman on a role nineteen thirty nine,
Gone with the Wind, totally completely unknown actress carries at
the time the most important film Hollywood had made, and
she's virtually in every scene, just an absolute masterpiece as
Scarlett O'Hara. In nineteen forty under Mervyn LeRoi, one of
the great directors in Hollywood, makes Waterloo Bridge, a tear
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jerker about an army officer in a ballerina that if
you haven't seen it, I strongly recommend it. Black and white,
but absolutely stunning and vividly at her best. And then
in nineteen forty one, my favorite, That Hamilton Woman, about
Lady Hamilton, a kind of a notorious figure and Admiral Nelson,
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Horatio Nelson, the love affair they had, and of.
Speaker 11 (30:02):
Course what he did for the British Empire.
Speaker 12 (30:04):
That movie is quite controversial because later there's going to
be a congressional investigation after the war had started. I
think it was actually after the Pearl Harbor Commissioner during
the Pearl Harvard Commission, because they wanted the British intelligence
had gone a long way to make sure that film
was distributed in the United States. It's Winston Churchill's favorite film.
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He played at checkers all the time the country estate
that he had, and used to show it to every
dignitaria person that came out there for.
Speaker 11 (30:33):
A weekend meeting.
Speaker 12 (30:34):
Absolutely, I heard he watched the film like two hundred
times screened at one time. I think on the transit,
the first transit that he did to come over here
off of Nova Scotia for the first meeting that they had,
I think before even World War Two commenced for us
at Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 11 (30:52):
That Hamilton woman, so Ben Harnwell on a Now, why
am I doing that? I don't know. It's eight years.
The film's kind of based around New Year's and beginnings.
It's always been a people know.
Speaker 12 (31:05):
I'm a Vivian Leaf fan, and I've always been amazed
that when people have runs like that nineteen thirty nine,
nineteen forty, nineteen forty one to make three classics, of
which she carries against the top leading men of her day,
Clark Gable, Robert Taylor, Sir Lawrence Olivier.
Speaker 11 (31:21):
She carries all three films and steals every scene.
Speaker 12 (31:25):
And that Hamilton woman absolutely central kind of the how
the British thought about it themselves, because they have this
brilliant speech in the middle of it where Lawrence Olivier,
playing Hamilton, is trying to explain to the British Averyalty,
how a little nation like Great Britain can stand, can
beat off Napoleon, which is really the analogy Churchill was
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trying to have made the time of Great Britain standing
in the breach against Adolf Hitler. Your thoughts, sir, well,
see you want to sague right, I'll give you one.
Speaker 10 (31:58):
I'm going to pick leap of you talking about Checkers,
which is is the weekend count retreat of British prime
ministers historically, Let's talk about who might be a future
tenant of Checkers. You asked me, Stee, if you remember
a year ago, exactly a year ago on a New
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Year's Eve show, not literally a year then twenty sixty
four days ago. You asked me to identify the story
from twenty twenty three which I thought was going to
be the big issue in twenty twenty four, and then
I picked the story I picked.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
I know Rahiem's going to be on later.
Speaker 10 (32:38):
The story I picked was the replacement of the Toy
Party the British Conservative Party, the world's oldest political party,
by Nigel Farage. And over the course of the last
twelve months, I have to say that prediction has been
pretty spot on. Just recently a couple of weeks ago,
that the latest polls basically all three major political parties
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on around twenty five percent, give or take.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
The margin of help.
Speaker 10 (33:06):
Reforms are slightly ahead, if you want to know, specifically,
slightly ahead of the Tories and Labor slightly ahead of reform.
But it's all margin novever stuff. It's all banging around
twenty five percent. If this right, If this trend continues
next year, that will be I think Nigel Farwars will
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be Prime Minister.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
If this trend continues.
Speaker 10 (33:31):
You ask me just a short while ago other things
in Europe and other development developments in Europe. I cannot
talk about the growth and strength of Reform UK without
just mentioning what's happening with the AfD in Germany. That
they have an election in February. February, I think they're
twenty third or something like that, and they are looking
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to increase in the polls by about eight or nine.
They are presently nine percent ahead of where they were
in the last election and looking to gain about fifty
percent of their seats from about eighty something up to
about one hundred.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
And ten hundred and twenty seats.
Speaker 10 (34:07):
And that will have massive repercussions for the whole of
the European Union, because Germany is the largest economy, largest
population by far in the European Union. And if the
growth and strength of the AfD in that country that
will manifest itself, then that will have, as I say,
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repercussions across The best of the European Union is.
Speaker 12 (34:31):
The Europe is the European Union in NATO, and all
of it going the way of the Holy Roman Empire.
Speaker 10 (34:43):
That was thanks to Napoleon right a thousand year effectively
that the Holy Roman Empire, one thousand year long rain
that's kicked off on Christmas Day eighteen hundred by Charlemagne
and all of those Habsburg Finally they orders appeared by
Napoleon right more or less, and then the First World
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War in one hundred years stretch.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
Is this going the way?
Speaker 10 (35:08):
You know? I would sooner say he of the famed
addressing here of the famous T shirt, I would sooner
say that occupied Europe is going together way of Constantinople,
because you know, at the end of the day, the
Holy Remeni Empire dissolved into his various.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Sub sub nations.
Speaker 10 (35:31):
Pretty much led at the end hanging on the Austro
Hungarian Empire at the end of the day by the Habsburgs,
and then that that petered out the First World War.
But the country's state intact more or less what we're
going to see in Europe, I think it is a
far more substantial change to the whole fabric of the nation.
(35:51):
It'll be more akin to the fall of the Roman Empire,
I think, than the Holy Roman Empire.
Speaker 12 (35:58):
Do you why do you think before I know, you
get a bounce, But on this New Year's Day and
looking forward and we have all the things a protect
the conversion for President Trump, why do you think? I mean,
what's your argument for the intensity and the complexity and
the urgency, but most important the consequences of this year.
Speaker 10 (36:21):
Well, probably if you're talking about the United States, which
is culturally, economically, militarily the most powerful nation on the planet.
It's intense both within the United States and because of
the importance of the United States for the rest of
the populist nationalist movements. I can only go back to
(36:44):
what I said before, This movement, this America First movement,
has a lot of work to do this year in
twenty twenty five to see what the potential of the
Trump administration is what direction that goes. There are some
good things to look at, there are some less positive things,
but that's to be expected, right, That is entirely to
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be expected.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
We're not going to ever get everything.
Speaker 10 (37:10):
That we want, but in four years we can move
a long way towards it, Which is why I was
saying that this movement.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Needs to stand.
Speaker 10 (37:19):
As attentive as it has been doing it over the
last few years. The reason it's so intense, Steve looking
at specifically addressing myself specifically to the United States, but
it's pretty much the same across the European Union is
that half the population draws its sustenance, its income, it's
pensions off the backs of the other half that actually
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have normal, ordinary, regular working jobs in the private sector.
And they're not going to give up their privileges willingly.
And that's why it's intense. And they've never really been
threatened seriously in the past. What Donald Trump has it
with this popular man behind him with his let's even mention,
(38:04):
let's even mention on this subject, Elon Musk, what he
has with with with Twitter with x at his disposal,
but at Donald Trump's disposal is something that this system
has never had to confront before. And they are going
to be fighting for their for their livelihoods, this half
of the nation, which which exists off the back of
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the other working half.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
That's why it's intense, and that's to be entirely human nature,
it's entirely to be expected. But these people are going
to fight to protect to protect their prerogatives.
Speaker 10 (38:38):
Just like the regime fought and fought and fought in
pre revolutionary France, didn't give away any of its privileges
and in the end, well we know what happened in
seventy and eighty nine.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
It was it was swept aside. And you've used this
analogy yourself.
Speaker 10 (38:55):
In America, Steve in the States, your famous quote, there's
telling I'm telling the billionaires all the time that we're
heading into a French revolution period. That's absolutely the case.
That is the dynamic, and it's not a consequence of
the free market. It's a consequence of the system having
been gained in favor of the plutocracy, in favor.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Of the billionaires.
Speaker 10 (39:21):
And there's no evidence that this system is willing to
bend and yield to someone like Don Trump.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
So we'll see not just in the course of this year,
but in the course of the whole term hal Foyer term.
We will see who wins that in the end.
Speaker 12 (39:40):
Can you hang over one second? I want to talk
to you about Constantinople. There's a something my family put
up on Christmas Day that's gone mega viral throughout the world.
We'll show you and have been or even have Raheem
comment on it. This is the Dublin Girls Choir. I
think Dublin College Girls quite quite beautiful, renditional lang sign
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Speaker 11 (40:20):
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Ben's gonna stick around. I think we're gonna try to
get sir raheem up. We're gonna talk about Constantinople, the
Ottoman Turks, and the Caliphate next on a New Year's Day.
Speaker 11 (41:21):
Thank you beautiful.
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Speaker 11 (42:05):
It's a weekend, it's a holiday weekend assignment. We need
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Speaker 12 (42:11):
At the Christmas dinner that we do every year with
the Bannon Clan, I was given a gift from my
beloved younger brother, kid brother, Navy pilot, and he gave
me the T shirt and I just held it up
free Constantinople, and I think Rahm Raheema had dinner with us,
(42:32):
Wherehem was with Sir Raheem was with us. And it
went viral, millions of hits, and particularly in Turkey and Greece,
sucked up a lot of media times.
Speaker 11 (42:41):
Why is this such a Why is this such a
hot issue in Turkey?
Speaker 10 (42:45):
Brother, Because only in the secular West is history considered
to be something that has very little relationship to today.
The rest of the world, and especially in the Islamic sphere,
history is a key part.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
Of It's not just yet, it's not just yesterday's politics.
Speaker 10 (43:08):
It's the directoral arrow that explains where you are, how
you got down, where you're going. Look, look, Continople fell
in a fourteen fifty three rute, almost a thousand years
slightly more than a thousand years after the fall of
Rome itself, second Rome, Constantinople. It's a big issue in
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Turkey because the Turks are you know, there are people
via Asia Minor that go back to at least of
the New Testament times. They have a history, they have
a proud history, a noble history via the Ottoman Empire,
and they're conscious of that. In the West, we know,
(43:55):
thanks to the progressive education. We've brainwashed the last three
or four generations into being absolutely ashamed of all the
good points of our of our history. That doesn't really
exist elsewhere in the world, where where they'll take elements
that they're proud of and and and there'll be vibrant points.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
Throughout the culture. So yeah, I mean it was a
part of your your T shirt is a provocation.
Speaker 10 (44:20):
I mean, you know, three con consent, but I don't
know who we would three four there were a couple
of two thousand, two and a half thousand practicing Orthodox
Christians left is in Istanbul. What I mentioned earlier that
the europe is heading to perhaps a Constantinople point rather
(44:43):
than a collapse of the Holy Roman Empire. What I
what I meant is is a full, full on cultural change.
Nature abhors a vacuum, Steve. We've pushed Jesus Christ out
of our culture when we haven't been interested in a
supernatural set in divine revelation in the true faith, probably
(45:04):
since the sixties, not in any serious capacity. And as
I say, nature a pause a Valian for the last
thirty years, thirty five years. The first is growing religion
in the UK is Islam. Whilst we have conceentraally hamstrung ourselves.
Islam is growing ever stronger. In fact, it is encouraged
(45:27):
by the weakness that we Christians seemingly show at the
highest levels. And that is the fate that face is
occupied your And I've mentioned this before on the show,
and I always say America is not yet in the
diet situation that we are in occupied your and I
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said for our saying again, you.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
Guys, you can still turn things around, and I don't
think we can in Europe.
Speaker 10 (45:56):
And I always say that fundamentally, what our last I
act as a civilization in Europe will be to convince
America not to walk down the path that we have
walked down, but to come back to Constantinople.
Speaker 5 (46:10):
You know, history for.
Speaker 10 (46:11):
Them isn't isn't just something that happened five years ago.
Look when nine to eleven, right, nine eleven, when Olama
bin Laden flew those planes open brackets, perhaps with the
CIA's help, perhaps with massas help into the print hours,
right that date nine to eleven, that represents something Islam.
(46:33):
It was the day after Jon Sabyevsky lifted the siege
of Vienna. And I think sixteen sixteen eighty three or something.
That was the last when the polls lifted the siege
of Vienna. That was it for four hundred years. At
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an institutional level, that was the end of the Islamic
Empires attempts to take.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
Over continental Yurope. And that date by Azama bin Lad was.
Speaker 10 (47:07):
Picked because I said, in the Islamic sphere, history isn't
just something dead and forgotten of interest only to so
much school eccentric.
Speaker 5 (47:16):
It's part of their living identity. And we are we
are by not realizing that.
Speaker 11 (47:24):
We try to do that here in the world, the
past is not even the past.
Speaker 12 (47:28):
If I can draft off one of the great writers
in the United States of America, Ben Social media, Where
do people get you over the holidays?
Speaker 10 (47:37):
I am always on Getter Steve as my social media
platform of choice, either on Twitter there at Ben Underscore Harnwroll.
I might start using that both out a little bit
more in twenty twenty five, but fundamentally I'm on Geta
at harn Well where I do read. I don't respond,
but I do read every comment posted on my stuff
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on Ghetta. Thanks Steve. Then he closed by wishing you
and the war imposse and the great team in the
production teams both in DC and in Denver.
Speaker 5 (48:10):
Very Happy New Year.
Speaker 11 (48:14):
Happy New Year to you sir in the Eternal City.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
Thanks brother goodness.
Speaker 11 (48:19):
Robert Charles is going to take us out next hour.
Joe Allen and Rahem are gonna join me.
Speaker 12 (48:24):
We're gonna mull over some important topics, think some deep thoughts.
Has us sound, get yourself a big war? Who a warpath?
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Speaker 7 (48:39):
Just a moment,
Turnings are like the seasons. Every turning is necessary.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We discovered a recurring pattern, and implicit in that pattern
of generational recurrence the idea of a rhythm, a pattern,
a sequence of events that comes around again nature like cycles.
Cities are found in cities, collapse states, rise states, fall.
Families can prosper, families can wither. All follow certain repeating
(00:31):
cyclical patterns.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
We end up inventing news cycles.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
So we have the financial market cycle, we have traffic cycles.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We have all kinds of modern high tech cycles which
we simply create.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
There are four turnings, each one roughly twenty years or
so long, so an entire four turnings or a circular
last about eighty two one hundred years.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
A series of attorneys that are launched by a so
called crisis world. It's a time when there's a lot
of genocide, killing, a lot of starvation, usually a lot
of disease. It's the worst times in history. And once
one of those is over, everybody, both the victors and
the losers, make a vow that that was so horrible
(01:25):
it should never be allowed to happen again. That's really
the key to understanding what happens next.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
The first turning is the high, like the fifties, that
comes after the crisis.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
It's a period of consolidation.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
It's a period of stable families and stable family structures.
Lots of kids are born, lots of infrastructure is built,
but emotional life becomes more or less dead and begins.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
To die out. Baby Boomers have no memory of World
War Two. Their childhood is the American High. Next comes
the Awakening.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
The perfect little children of the High, like the Boom generation,
become young a du else.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
They came of age during that period of rapid social
and cultural change, when we changed everything about how we felt,
how we thought, how we talked, how we dressed. We
changed America's feelings about itself, our moral agenda.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Suddenly their emotions breakout and all hell breaks loose.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
This became a generation of great passion, of youth anger
that mark arives in every age in drug use, teen pregnancy, crime,
risk taking, suicide.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Then comes the unraveling, in the awakening, the eternal truths,
the verities that had build up in the High, the
values are questioned. That process accel rates during the unraveling,
and restraints are broken down in personal life and economic life,
In political life, unravelings in America have certain common characteristics.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
They tend to be eras.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Of a lot of economic speculation and more more stronger
boom and bus cycles.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
For example, line that up with the nineteen twenties, or
go back to the eighteen fifties.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
In America, go back to the seventeen sixties.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Considering the nineteen nineties a decade of cynicism and bad manners,
and public authorities seem to be pretty weak. You notice
repeatedly recurring again these eras that feel very similar.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
History teaches that usually third turning finally issue into a
fourth turning. Well, the fourth turning is the crisis, and
history shows that if an event doesn't.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Trigger a fourth turning, a fourth turning.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Leader will actually encourage one to happen, or one will
simply hit us because of all the deferred public decisions
that weren't made during the recent third turning.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
This comes to a head in the fourth turning.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Worth turning has become new founding moments of our nation's history. Obviously,
one fourth turning was the period of the American Revolution.
Another fourth turning was the Civil War era in which.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
We redefined who we were as a nation. In World
War Two and the New Deal. Think of everything that
changed in that era.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
We re established mankind's relationship with technology, government's relationship with
the economy, America's relationship with the world.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
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Speaker 5 (06:13):
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Speaker 7 (06:25):
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Speaker 9 (06:34):
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Speaker 6 (06:47):
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Speaker 7 (06:52):
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Speaker 10 (07:00):
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Speaker 5 (07:02):
My dear.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Sonsnats song, my.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
Song we.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Comesnat.
Speaker 8 (07:54):
Oh, this is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Speaker 11 (08:19):
Pray for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on
these people. Here's not got a free shot. All these
networks lying about the people. The people have had a
belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world
to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
Speaker 9 (08:35):
It's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
And where do people like that go to share the
big line? Mega media?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of
these people had a conscience.
Speaker 11 (08:46):
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
If that answer is to save my country? This country
will be saved.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Worry.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Here's your host, Stephen Kman.
Speaker 12 (09:06):
It's Wednesday, one January, in the year of Our Lord,
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 11 (09:11):
How does that sound. It's got to flow to it,
doesn't it? Twenty twenty five.
Speaker 12 (09:16):
You're here in the war room and it's our New
Year's Day Special and I'm going to be joined today
by our own Joe Allen. We're going to talk about
this whole techno feudalism, and we're going to talk about
the singularity and what's happening in the convergence of all
these different sciences and what to look forward and how
big an issue is going to become a twenty twenty five.
Speaker 11 (09:37):
Sir Raheem Cassam is going to join us also.
Speaker 12 (09:40):
We're going to get into this whole thing that's going
on with really with tech feudalism, in this underpinning of
the on the MAGA right. We'll get into that in updates,
and Sir Ben Harnwell is going to join me. We're
going to talk about Joe, politics.
Speaker 11 (09:56):
And all of it.
Speaker 12 (09:56):
But in our New Year's Day show we try to
both summarai. It's kind of where we take off on
the New year's Eve show, summarize where we've been and
where we're going. Ben, just pull the camera back for
a second. You've been with us for a number of years.
Now we're going to begin I think twenty twenty five
is going to be the most intense consequential year in
(10:19):
modern world politics. It's going to be upon us as
this populous nationalist movement worldwide starts to get traction. But
we still have a massive fight against the as you
call him, our sociopathic elite globalist tech overlords. Sir, can
you frame it for us twenty twenty five?
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Yes, Stein, I think you said that up perfectly.
Speaker 10 (10:41):
Only I would add that the fight now in twenty
twenty five, seeing as MAGA has pretty much won the
revolution inside the GOP, this FINT is going to be
within MAGA, I think within.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
The America First Movement.
Speaker 10 (10:55):
President Trump has most all the cards in his hand
to do what he needs to do, to do what
he wants to do. The quist is is that what
does he want to do? That's I think the issue
that that's going to evolve over the course of the
next twelve months. And if you look a couple of
days ago, over the fighting over this H one B
visa issue, and then of course again a couple of
(11:16):
days ago, President Trump came out and then fully endorsed
Mike Johnson. And I'm looking at the resistance of these
things from within, looking at the comments on getting what
have you.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
These things are not going down well.
Speaker 10 (11:32):
With the base, with the movement, and I think that's
setting up this issue for the whole of this year
now twenty twenty five, not next year. This year, we're
going to work out exactly what this movement intends to do,
not only with this administration, but also for the next
generation's fight that this administration is going to lead the way.
Speaker 11 (11:53):
On let's pull it back.
Speaker 12 (11:57):
When we look at the geopolitics and in the world stage,
we've got a minute or two here in this block.
You've been our closest because you're the outpost in Rome
of following the Ukraine situation. But President Trump, because we
have three kind of things he's got to do simultaneously.
One is in the you know, the Third World wars
now and it's initial kinetic phase. He's got to step
(12:20):
in and end that. He's got the deportations of the
fifty million and ending the legal migration. I think a
quote unquote legal migration was just a joke, and then
deal with all this massive debt problems. And quite frankly,
he's doing it for the United States in our currency
because it underpins the entire world system of three hundred
(12:41):
trillion dollars of debt.
Speaker 11 (12:42):
Your your assessment, Well.
Speaker 10 (12:45):
Two of these issues Ukraine and the budget, President Trump
in endorsing, fully endorsing ad Mike no Johnson. He's keeping
in the key position the head of the APEX and
who is singularly responsible for two of these issues, Steve,
which you have been repeating for months and months and
(13:06):
months now unchanged and as we know, personal is policy.
So look, I go back to what I said before.
These issues will need to be worked out. And I'm
sorry to have to say this to the war Imposse.
You know, I'd like to say, look, go and have picnics, relaxed, chill.
We won the election in November, so look, you know
(13:29):
we can relax.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
It's not going to be like that.
Speaker 10 (13:31):
I think really now more than ever before, more than
the election, yourself, the war in Posse, We're going to
have to all of us collectively keep our shoulder to
the wheel. You know, we won the important part getting
you touch, you touch, your getting a vacation hangover a second.
Speaker 12 (13:53):
Ben joins us from the Eternal City. That would be wrong.
We've got Raheem's going to join us. Joe Allen's going
to address I couldn't think of a better group to
kick off the most intense, the most important of the
most impactful.
Speaker 11 (14:11):
Don't even know if that's a word.
Speaker 12 (14:14):
Year in not just our nation's history, but the world's history.
We started with my film Generation zero about turnings. We're
in a fourth turning now talk more about that. We'll
drill down all of it. I think this is the
Dublin Girls Choir amazing. We're going to play a lot
of different versions of old line Zigon today short commercial
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break back in.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
Ther mornth.
Speaker 12 (15:14):
Okay, that's the Robert Shaw Corral and I love I've
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always loved the sound of Achipelago with male voices and
Robert shawkra has always been my favorite, one of my favorites.
Speaker 11 (15:46):
Ben joins us from the Eternal City from Rome.
Speaker 12 (15:51):
Ben, when I say this is going to be the
most consequential, the most urgent, the most intense, and I
believe the most dangerous year, and I say this after
a stunning victory, a sweeping victory on November fifth.
Speaker 11 (16:06):
Why do you think one? Do you agree with me?
In two? If so, why.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Yeah, I do agree with you. And let's use the
Ucidides trap analogy. Within a single country.
Speaker 10 (16:19):
What you have within a single territory here is a
declining Hegermonton. That is to say, our sociopathic overlords being
replaced by an emergent power.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
And that's the American First Movement.
Speaker 10 (16:32):
And as you introduced this concept to a wide popular comprehension,
I think it's a perfect way to illustrate this declining
regime is not going to go peacefully.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Into that dark night, not by any needs. It's going
to fight and fight and fight and make it as
difficult as possible. That's why it's so dangerous. It's not
just a cake.
Speaker 10 (16:55):
We're not just in any other election year here or
off the back of any other We're in a situation
where there is as you as you are pointing out
the seeds, the threads of dis Third World War dynamics
are clearly already well woven into the fabric of international politics.
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That is why the replacement of our sociopathic overlords is
so dangerous.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Who knows what they are going to do, and when
I say, they're.
Speaker 10 (17:24):
Going to make it as difficult as possible for Donald Trump,
who knows.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
What the limits are, if there are limits to the
things that they can do. But to give to give
us one.
Speaker 10 (17:34):
Example, Sergey Lover of the Russian Five Ministers a couple
of days ago that Russia was going to remove its
monitorium on its medium and long range missus following acts
that it caused of similar acts of aggression led by
the United States. All I can say about Steve is
that January the twin cannot come quickly enough to try
(17:57):
and bring some de escalation to this. But by it,
you know, we know that the tentacles of the military
industrial complex are still very much alive, that they operate
throughout NATO, which is its effectively international puppet.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
So there's much to be attentive of. I'll just say
this point again.
Speaker 10 (18:18):
A couple of days ago we saw on the news
that Joe Biden in a single day, had authorized six
billion dollars worth of new military.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
And budget a support to Ukraine. This is a regime
which is which is losing the war.
Speaker 10 (18:36):
There's an article in Bloomberg and I don't know if
you saw this, that's saying that the same literally that
that Ukraine is losing this war. But you know, the press,
even the mainstream press, have been repeating that now over
over the course of.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
The last twelve months, Ukraine will lose this war.
Speaker 10 (18:53):
The question is what will our sociopathic overlords do off
the back of that to create a situation for Donald
Trump where I suppose what they really want to do
is to make him sit in the over office late
that night with his head in his hands and say, God,
I wish I'd never won this election.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
That's their agenda.
Speaker 12 (19:17):
The kinetic part of the Third World War concerns me.
I want to go back though to what you said.
It was quite brilliant you made this analogy. The cdity's
trap was Graham Allison's construct in talking about the relationship
or the geopolitical tension between China and the United States.
He went back through history and came up with fourteen
(19:39):
examples or twelve examples where you've had a declining power
and a rising power.
Speaker 11 (19:44):
He went back.
Speaker 12 (19:45):
His principal thing was Athens and Sparta, and the one
fallacy he forgot.
Speaker 11 (19:51):
As I had lunch with him one day.
Speaker 12 (19:52):
I said, hey, has there ever been an example where
the declining power the elites in that country were making
more money in consolidating power more in their own country
on the way down than they were on the way up.
Speaker 11 (20:06):
And he got on with.
Speaker 12 (20:06):
Hubbard hubbar a Hubbard to Hubbard a Hubbard, and I said, well,
that's the situation we have here in the United States,
which he didn't disagree with, but you took it and
put it towards our sociopathic overlords.
Speaker 11 (20:16):
I think it's quite brilliant what I just wanted.
Speaker 12 (20:18):
This is a very important construct for the war and
posse to start to get their arms around.
Speaker 11 (20:25):
Walk me through that again.
Speaker 10 (20:27):
So it's as I understand that this principle of the
hypothesis of the Thucydides truck is that you have a hegemon,
a dominant territorial power, and then you have because as
you know, as you were talking about in the introduction,
as we were showing the four turnings, but various themes,
civilizations rise, they fall like bubbles in a lava lamp.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
This happens throughout human history.
Speaker 10 (20:53):
But when there's large hegemon hegomonic power that is overtaken
by an emerging power, then there's normally the declining hegemon,
UH does not go peacefully put resorts to war as
a last attempt to hold its script on power. And
(21:13):
what I was suggesting is, you know, you might see
this even within a single territory. The facilities trap is
normally applied to different states, competing states, rival states, and
I was just sort of applying it within a single
territory to describe that this movement between two.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Power schema, if I can call it that, within within one.
Speaker 10 (21:33):
Country, you have our sociopathic overlords, the regime, capital t capital.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Art, the deep state.
Speaker 10 (21:40):
Call it what you will, this entity that is always
in control no matter which party is notionally in control
of the White House or Congress, it's it's it's a
it's a huge, amorphous entity that is always in control.
And what we see now, I think this is one
of the one of the truly epoch changing natures of
(22:03):
the America. First Maga movement catapulting Donald Trump for the
first time in his political career twenty sixteen into the
White House and again in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Is a city is a relationship between a movement and
a person.
Speaker 10 (22:20):
Donald Trump was elected by the people with a popular
mandate to do certain things, and you never really have
that in American history. You take you have this sort
of the Buggins turn like whoever's next to the line
will will take up the mantle of nominee. And they
don't really do it do very much different. They don't
really challenge the system. Donald Trump because his power base
(22:43):
and this is one of the I think it was
inevitable after the invention of the Internet and certainly after
social media. But Donald Trump's power base is not the
political party. It's the people specifically and directly. And America
hasn't really, I don't think had this before, not even
say in Andrew Jackson.
Speaker 9 (23:02):
And so he is in a.
Speaker 10 (23:03):
Uniquely primed position to defeat, to d to drive a
steak through the heart of the regime of the deep state.
And we know Steve from human history. People will kill
for very little. They will murder for very little. It
might be like a drug addict will kill someone that
he's robbing on the street for a few dollars up
(23:24):
until sort of sort of people killing to get their
hands on a million pounds or something in inheritance.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
People are dark. They had. You know, they have dark hearts.
What a regime will do to keep his hands on.
Speaker 10 (23:39):
Its trillion dollars budget every year, that is something that
we're going to see.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
But we saw it. We saw I think elements of this.
Speaker 10 (23:49):
In Butler in Pennsylvania. They shot the man in the
face and thanks to the grace of God, did not succeed.
That is I think what I mean to say. Refer
to this to Syndes track within a.
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Speaker 11 (25:27):
Now why am I doing this? It's a beautiful rendition
of aud lang Syne. We come back. It's about Vivian Lee.
Speaker 12 (25:34):
Vivian Lee was in three movies in three years, Gone
with the Win in nineteen thirty nine, opposite Clark Gable,
Waterloo Bridge, a tear jerker Brion film in nineteen forty
Across from Robert Taylor, a huge star at the time,
and that Hamilton woman probably my favorite. One of my
(25:54):
favorite films Aver twelve o'clock High, opposite her husband at
the time, Sir Lawrence Olivier bet my hero, Lord Nelson
and Lady Hamilton play it will be a This will
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Speaker 11 (26:10):
I think she's a Norwegian singer. Cecil absolutely brilliant. On
a New Year's Day in twenty twenty five, here in
the war back in a moment.
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Want to say.
Speaker 12 (28:56):
The le okay that's from Waterloo Bridge in nineteen thirty nine,
(29:17):
talk about a young woman on a role nineteen thirty nine,
Gone with the Wind, totally completely unknown actress carries at
the time the most important film Hollywood had made, and
she's virtually in every scene, just an absolute masterpiece as
Scarlett O'Hara. In nineteen forty under Mervyn LeRoi, one of
the great directors in Hollywood, makes Waterloo Bridge, a tear
(29:37):
jerker about an army officer in a ballerina that if
you haven't seen it, I strongly recommend it. Black and white,
but absolutely stunning and vividly at her best. And then
in nineteen forty one, my favorite, That Hamilton Woman, about
Lady Hamilton, a kind of a notorious figure and Admiral Nelson,
(30:00):
Horatio Nelson, the love affair they had, and of.
Speaker 11 (30:02):
Course what he did for the British Empire.
Speaker 12 (30:04):
That movie is quite controversial because later there's going to
be a congressional investigation after the war had started. I
think it was actually after the Pearl Harbor Commissioner during
the Pearl Harvard Commission, because they wanted the British intelligence
had gone a long way to make sure that film
was distributed in the United States. It's Winston Churchill's favorite film.
(30:24):
He played at checkers all the time the country estate
that he had, and used to show it to every
dignitaria person that came out there for.
Speaker 11 (30:33):
A weekend meeting.
Speaker 12 (30:34):
Absolutely, I heard he watched the film like two hundred
times screened at one time. I think on the transit,
the first transit that he did to come over here
off of Nova Scotia for the first meeting that they had,
I think before even World War Two commenced for us
at Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 11 (30:52):
That Hamilton woman, so Ben Harnwell on a Now, why
am I doing that? I don't know. It's eight years.
The film's kind of based around New Year's and beginnings.
It's always been a people know.
Speaker 12 (31:05):
I'm a Vivian Leaf fan, and I've always been amazed
that when people have runs like that nineteen thirty nine,
nineteen forty, nineteen forty one to make three classics, of
which she carries against the top leading men of her day,
Clark Gable, Robert Taylor, Sir Lawrence Olivier.
Speaker 11 (31:21):
She carries all three films and steals every scene.
Speaker 12 (31:25):
And that Hamilton woman absolutely central kind of the how
the British thought about it themselves, because they have this
brilliant speech in the middle of it where Lawrence Olivier,
playing Hamilton, is trying to explain to the British Averyalty,
how a little nation like Great Britain can stand, can
beat off Napoleon, which is really the analogy Churchill was
(31:46):
trying to have made the time of Great Britain standing
in the breach against Adolf Hitler. Your thoughts, sir, well,
see you want to sague right, I'll give you one.
Speaker 10 (31:58):
I'm going to pick leap of you talking about Checkers,
which is is the weekend count retreat of British prime
ministers historically, Let's talk about who might be a future
tenant of Checkers. You asked me, Stee, if you remember
a year ago, exactly a year ago on a New
(32:19):
Year's Eve show, not literally a year then twenty sixty
four days ago. You asked me to identify the story
from twenty twenty three which I thought was going to
be the big issue in twenty twenty four, and then
I picked the story I picked.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
I know Rahiem's going to be on later.
Speaker 10 (32:38):
The story I picked was the replacement of the Toy
Party the British Conservative Party, the world's oldest political party,
by Nigel Farage. And over the course of the last
twelve months, I have to say that prediction has been
pretty spot on. Just recently a couple of weeks ago,
that the latest polls basically all three major political parties
(33:02):
on around twenty five percent, give or take.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
The margin of help.
Speaker 10 (33:06):
Reforms are slightly ahead, if you want to know, specifically,
slightly ahead of the Tories and Labor slightly ahead of reform.
But it's all margin novever stuff. It's all banging around
twenty five percent. If this right, If this trend continues
next year, that will be I think Nigel Farwars will
(33:26):
be Prime Minister.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
If this trend continues.
Speaker 10 (33:31):
You ask me just a short while ago other things
in Europe and other development developments in Europe. I cannot
talk about the growth and strength of Reform UK without
just mentioning what's happening with the AfD in Germany. That
they have an election in February. February, I think they're
twenty third or something like that, and they are looking
(33:51):
to increase in the polls by about eight or nine.
They are presently nine percent ahead of where they were
in the last election and looking to gain about fifty
percent of their seats from about eighty something up to
about one hundred.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
And ten hundred and twenty seats.
Speaker 10 (34:07):
And that will have massive repercussions for the whole of
the European Union, because Germany is the largest economy, largest
population by far in the European Union. And if the
growth and strength of the AfD in that country that
will manifest itself, then that will have, as I say,
(34:29):
repercussions across The best of the European Union is.
Speaker 12 (34:31):
The Europe is the European Union in NATO, and all
of it going the way of the Holy Roman Empire.
Speaker 10 (34:43):
That was thanks to Napoleon right a thousand year effectively
that the Holy Roman Empire, one thousand year long rain
that's kicked off on Christmas Day eighteen hundred by Charlemagne
and all of those Habsburg Finally they orders appeared by
Napoleon right more or less, and then the First World
(35:05):
War in one hundred years stretch.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
Is this going the way?
Speaker 10 (35:08):
You know? I would sooner say he of the famed
addressing here of the famous T shirt, I would sooner
say that occupied Europe is going together way of Constantinople,
because you know, at the end of the day, the
Holy Remeni Empire dissolved into his various.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Sub sub nations.
Speaker 10 (35:31):
Pretty much led at the end hanging on the Austro
Hungarian Empire at the end of the day by the Habsburgs,
and then that that petered out the First World War.
But the country's state intact more or less what we're
going to see in Europe, I think it is a
far more substantial change to the whole fabric of the nation.
(35:51):
It'll be more akin to the fall of the Roman Empire,
I think, than the Holy Roman Empire.
Speaker 12 (35:58):
Do you why do you think before I know, you
get a bounce, But on this New Year's Day and
looking forward and we have all the things a protect
the conversion for President Trump, why do you think? I mean,
what's your argument for the intensity and the complexity and
the urgency, but most important the consequences of this year.
Speaker 10 (36:21):
Well, probably if you're talking about the United States, which
is culturally, economically, militarily the most powerful nation on the planet.
It's intense both within the United States and because of
the importance of the United States for the rest of
the populist nationalist movements. I can only go back to
(36:44):
what I said before, This movement, this America First movement,
has a lot of work to do this year in
twenty twenty five to see what the potential of the
Trump administration is what direction that goes. There are some
good things to look at, there are some less positive things,
but that's to be expected, right, That is entirely to
(37:07):
be expected.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
We're not going to ever get everything.
Speaker 10 (37:10):
That we want, but in four years we can move
a long way towards it, Which is why I was
saying that this movement.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Needs to stand.
Speaker 10 (37:19):
As attentive as it has been doing it over the
last few years. The reason it's so intense, Steve looking
at specifically addressing myself specifically to the United States, but
it's pretty much the same across the European Union is
that half the population draws its sustenance, its income, it's
pensions off the backs of the other half that actually
(37:41):
have normal, ordinary, regular working jobs in the private sector.
And they're not going to give up their privileges willingly.
And that's why it's intense. And they've never really been
threatened seriously in the past. What Donald Trump has it
with this popular man behind him with his let's even mention,
(38:04):
let's even mention on this subject, Elon Musk, what he
has with with with Twitter with x at his disposal,
but at Donald Trump's disposal is something that this system
has never had to confront before. And they are going
to be fighting for their for their livelihoods, this half
of the nation, which which exists off the back of
(38:25):
the other working half.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
That's why it's intense, and that's to be entirely human nature,
it's entirely to be expected. But these people are going
to fight to protect to protect their prerogatives.
Speaker 10 (38:38):
Just like the regime fought and fought and fought in
pre revolutionary France, didn't give away any of its privileges
and in the end, well we know what happened in
seventy and eighty nine.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
It was it was swept aside. And you've used this
analogy yourself.
Speaker 10 (38:55):
In America, Steve in the States, your famous quote, there's
telling I'm telling the billionaires all the time that we're
heading into a French revolution period. That's absolutely the case.
That is the dynamic, and it's not a consequence of
the free market. It's a consequence of the system having
been gained in favor of the plutocracy, in favor.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Of the billionaires.
Speaker 10 (39:21):
And there's no evidence that this system is willing to
bend and yield to someone like Don Trump.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
So we'll see not just in the course of this year,
but in the course of the whole term hal Foyer term.
We will see who wins that in the end.
Speaker 12 (39:40):
Can you hang over one second? I want to talk
to you about Constantinople. There's a something my family put
up on Christmas Day that's gone mega viral throughout the world.
We'll show you and have been or even have Raheem
comment on it. This is the Dublin Girls Choir. I
think Dublin College Girls quite quite beautiful, renditional lang sign
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Ben's gonna stick around. I think we're gonna try to
get sir raheem up. We're gonna talk about Constantinople, the
Ottoman Turks, and the Caliphate next on a New Year's Day.
Speaker 11 (41:21):
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Speaker 11 (42:05):
It's a weekend, it's a holiday weekend assignment. We need
you up to speed on this, so Ben.
Speaker 12 (42:11):
At the Christmas dinner that we do every year with
the Bannon Clan, I was given a gift from my
beloved younger brother, kid brother, Navy pilot, and he gave
me the T shirt and I just held it up
free Constantinople, and I think Rahm Raheema had dinner with us,
(42:32):
Wherehem was with Sir Raheem was with us. And it
went viral, millions of hits, and particularly in Turkey and Greece,
sucked up a lot of media times.
Speaker 11 (42:41):
Why is this such a Why is this such a
hot issue in Turkey?
Speaker 10 (42:45):
Brother, Because only in the secular West is history considered
to be something that has very little relationship to today.
The rest of the world, and especially in the Islamic sphere,
history is a key part.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
Of It's not just yet, it's not just yesterday's politics.
Speaker 10 (43:08):
It's the directoral arrow that explains where you are, how
you got down, where you're going. Look, look, Continople fell
in a fourteen fifty three rute, almost a thousand years
slightly more than a thousand years after the fall of
Rome itself, second Rome, Constantinople. It's a big issue in
(43:33):
Turkey because the Turks are you know, there are people
via Asia Minor that go back to at least of
the New Testament times. They have a history, they have
a proud history, a noble history via the Ottoman Empire,
and they're conscious of that. In the West, we know,
(43:55):
thanks to the progressive education. We've brainwashed the last three
or four generations into being absolutely ashamed of all the
good points of our of our history. That doesn't really
exist elsewhere in the world, where where they'll take elements
that they're proud of and and and there'll be vibrant points.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
Throughout the culture. So yeah, I mean it was a
part of your your T shirt is a provocation.
Speaker 10 (44:20):
I mean, you know, three con consent, but I don't
know who we would three four there were a couple
of two thousand, two and a half thousand practicing Orthodox
Christians left is in Istanbul. What I mentioned earlier that
the europe is heading to perhaps a Constantinople point rather
(44:43):
than a collapse of the Holy Roman Empire. What I
what I meant is is a full, full on cultural change.
Nature abhors a vacuum, Steve. We've pushed Jesus Christ out
of our culture when we haven't been interested in a
supernatural set in divine revelation in the true faith, probably
(45:04):
since the sixties, not in any serious capacity. And as
I say, nature a pause a Valian for the last
thirty years, thirty five years. The first is growing religion
in the UK is Islam. Whilst we have conceentraally hamstrung ourselves.
Islam is growing ever stronger. In fact, it is encouraged
(45:27):
by the weakness that we Christians seemingly show at the
highest levels. And that is the fate that face is
occupied your And I've mentioned this before on the show,
and I always say America is not yet in the
diet situation that we are in occupied your and I
(45:48):
said for our saying again, you.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
Guys, you can still turn things around, and I don't
think we can in Europe.
Speaker 10 (45:56):
And I always say that fundamentally, what our last I
act as a civilization in Europe will be to convince
America not to walk down the path that we have
walked down, but to come back to Constantinople.
Speaker 5 (46:10):
You know, history for.
Speaker 10 (46:11):
Them isn't isn't just something that happened five years ago.
Look when nine to eleven, right, nine eleven, when Olama
bin Laden flew those planes open brackets, perhaps with the
CIA's help, perhaps with massas help into the print hours,
right that date nine to eleven, that represents something Islam.
(46:33):
It was the day after Jon Sabyevsky lifted the siege
of Vienna. And I think sixteen sixteen eighty three or something.
That was the last when the polls lifted the siege
of Vienna. That was it for four hundred years. At
(46:54):
an institutional level, that was the end of the Islamic
Empires attempts to take.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
Over continental Yurope. And that date by Azama bin Lad was.
Speaker 10 (47:07):
Picked because I said, in the Islamic sphere, history isn't
just something dead and forgotten of interest only to so
much school eccentric.
Speaker 5 (47:16):
It's part of their living identity. And we are we
are by not realizing that.
Speaker 11 (47:24):
We try to do that here in the world, the
past is not even the past.
Speaker 12 (47:28):
If I can draft off one of the great writers
in the United States of America, Ben Social media, Where
do people get you over the holidays?
Speaker 10 (47:37):
I am always on Getter Steve as my social media
platform of choice, either on Twitter there at Ben Underscore Harnwroll.
I might start using that both out a little bit
more in twenty twenty five, but fundamentally I'm on Geta
at harn Well where I do read. I don't respond,
but I do read every comment posted on my stuff
(48:01):
on Ghetta. Thanks Steve. Then he closed by wishing you
and the war imposse and the great team in the
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Speaker 5 (48:10):
Very Happy New Year.
Speaker 11 (48:14):
Happy New Year to you sir in the Eternal City.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
Thanks brother goodness.
Speaker 11 (48:19):
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Joe Allen and Rahem are gonna join me.
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