May 17, 2025 • 48 mins
THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON, MAY 17TH, 2025
WITH MARC CAPUTO, TEJ GILL, AND DAVE BRAT
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This time when you're living in Chambridge Road, and they were.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Documents related to the head Biden Center or the bio.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Cancer shot or your book.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Where did you keep papers that related to those things
that you were actively working?
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Well, I I I I I I.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
This is what twenty seventeen eighteen that area. Remember in
this time frame, my son is uh either been deployed
or is dying.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
And uh and so.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
If it was uh.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
And by the way, there were still a lot of
people at the time when I got out of the
Senate that were encouraging me to run in this period,
Uh accept the president. Uh, I'm not being not a
mean thing, I said. I mean, you just thought that
she had a better shot.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Of winning the president than I did. And so I hadn't.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I hadn't at this point, even I'm a pen I
hadn't walked away from the idea that I might run
for office again.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
If I grant again and been running for president and uh?
Speaker 6 (01:34):
And so.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
What was happening though when went to boat dying, UH
got a mazed thirty thirty years Uh in twenty eighteen,
when the twenty fifteen and died was made twenty fifteen,
think it's twenty fifteen or eat.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
That much of the month or what he goes. Yeah,
that's right, that's it.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
And what's happened in the meantime is that UH has
and Trump gets elected in November of twenty seventeen or
sixteen sixteen, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
Alright, So.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Why I have twenty.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Seventeen, that's when we left the office in January tent seven, Okay, but.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
That's when Trump gets sworn in. And why your rth
Courtland cat you have selected and uh in twenty seventeen
both had passed and uh mah, it was just personal?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Was this memo, mister president? Was this something that you
consciously have after your term as vice president? Is this
something that you wanted to hold on too?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I don't recall. Does I have this the position of
my position to spend up.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
To give you some context for this, mister president, he
was found in the front of this notebook that's on
the first page. And the notebook was founded in the
library at the lake House in one of the troys in.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
The apperanswers, you don't know, I don't recall how I
got back. I mean, I don't recall how I got
back in the book because I sent it to the
president and gave it to the president, and this looks
like the original. I don't think there's maybe there's a
copy made, but I don't think it was fact just
get oh okay, that's why?
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Yeah, all right, no, I got.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I wasn't sure how I got how I whether I
gay handed the president. It was facts the president which
I had to copy. Okay, I had the reason. I
just put it in the book and that was it.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Were you aware that you had kept it after your
charming's vice president?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Did you know that you had it?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I don't know that I knew, wouldn't wouldn't some something
I wished time to think about it.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
The reason I asked is it's been written, it out about.
Woodward wrote about it in one of his books, Jewels.
Wind Coover wrote about it in his biography of You.
So that that's the reason I asked, is if it
was something that he wanted to hang on to, he
was going to be such a.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Reporting or his ima showing reporting, but I wanted to
hang on. I guess I wanted to hang on just
proposterity setting. I mean, this was my position on Afghanistan.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
And in the course of explaining that memo about Afghanistan,
you said to Mark, I just found all the classified
stuff downstairs. And so you could imagine we are curious
what you meant when you said I just found all
the classified stuff downstairs.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I don't I don't remember. I'm not supposed to speculate
right correctly.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Okay, Well, I.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Don't remember, and uh, and it may have been.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I just don't remember. Okay.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Do you remember telling Mark about the handwritten now that
you had written for President Obama? I probably did.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I don't remember specifically, but my guess is I may
have done that.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Okay, do you remember telling him I just found all
the dark classified stuff downstairs?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Martapt telling Mark? Do you remember saying that to him?
Speaker 5 (05:50):
No? Okay, do you remember actually finding any classified stuff downstairs?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
No.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
We appreciate very much your willingness and hope they'll need
to they pull up with your best efforts and really
try to make your best revelation in response to the
questions we asked.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Because I acknowledge that some of the questions we are asking.
Great Two, that's that happened years ago. We're the young
wad so it's.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Not a wrong.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
This is the primal scream of a dying regie.
Speaker 8 (06:28):
Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on
these people.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
There's not got a free shot.
Speaker 8 (06:35):
And all these networks lying about the people, the people
have had a belly full of it.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
I know you don't like hearing that.
Speaker 8 (06:41):
I know you've tried to do everything in the world
to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
It's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And where do people like that go to share the
big line? Mega media?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of
these people had a conscience.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
That answer is to save my country.
Speaker 7 (07:02):
This country will be saved.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
War Room.
Speaker 7 (07:06):
Here's your host, Stephen K.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Bath.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
It's Saturday, seventeen May.
Speaker 8 (07:16):
You're over Lord, twenty twenty five blockbuster tape put out
last night, first in about a four four and a
half minute clip, and then later in the evening put
out exclusively at Axios.
Speaker 7 (07:28):
The reporter's Mark Capudo. He joins us.
Speaker 8 (07:30):
Now, Mark, first off, how many years have you been
a reporter?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Sir?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I guess I'm old ast the hills since nineteen ninety six,
and you do the math.
Speaker 8 (07:43):
So you've been doing this a couple of three years,
right a little bit. How is this the Is this
one of the biggest blockbuster stories you've ever handled? Because dude,
this is so much bigger than Watergate. I'm actually gobsmacked
on your first clip, and then when I heard the
(08:04):
whole thing. Is this the biggest scandal you've ever handled
in your life?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I don't know what biggest scandal, but it's a huge
news story because it speaks to all of these different
themes and elements that had been discussed in the twenty
twenty campaign, twenty twenty four, and then after which was
in twenty sixteen, even to a degree, which is Joe.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Biden decided to run, and there were persistent.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Questions about his age and his administration, and his campaign
did a very effective job putting up stuff guardrails around him,
bubble wrapping him up, and also relying in some cases
on very skillfully placed stories, for instance that he had
stuttered to explain how he.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Had lost some of his edge to put a general And.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Now, after the Biden White House had refused to release
these tapes, the Biden Department of Justice and refused to
release these tapes. Have been sitting down with this special prosecutor,
we now actually hear for the first time. It adds
a real dimension to that discussion that happened that day
that we just didn't hear before. And some of it
(09:21):
is just the normal stuff of asking anybody, hey, what
happened a few years ago, Like I couldn't remember how
long I've been a report, But when you listen to
some sections of it, it's just very, very surprising at
how Joe Biden was unable to answer certain just basic questions.
Will recall certain basic dates, namely the death of his son,
(09:43):
the year Donald Trump was elected, when he left his
vice president, and you can just hear in his voice
that it's just not the same guy who was a
vice president or even to a degree, who had first
run for president in twenty twenty At that point in
twenty twenty three, when he had sat down with the
special prosecutor, it's a pretty clear that as the prosecutor
(10:06):
had said he was an old man, and the prosecutor
said he was a simple he would be seen by
jurors as.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
A sympathetic old man.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And that's part of the reason with a bad memory,
essentially that he wouldn't be prosecutor, and Democrats at the
time just attacked the special prosecutor.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Pials, you know, attack the press for reporting of that one.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Now we hear for the first time that Robert Herber
accurately described what he heard, because now we can hear
it too.
Speaker 8 (10:39):
By the way, this interview with her took correct man
from wrong eight October of twenty twenty three, So it's
just really a year after he gets into the hustings
with Trump, trying to take on Trump, I guess in
July and dropping out. What's donned me is that Robert Herr,
(11:00):
if you just step back for a second, Robert Hurr
sounds like a a resident or an intern, or a
young doctor at a facility for older folks, really guiding
somebody through. I mean, this is not what you consider
a prosecutorial deposition. He's not coming on hard, he's almost
(11:20):
trying to guide. And I'm just saying he's being unprofessional,
but he's being quite gentle on what obviously is a
frail old man in front of him.
Speaker 7 (11:28):
Is that not the way you perceive it.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Well, there's two prosecutors who appear in this state or
who You could hear the one initially who is asking
him just sort of the basic foundation questions of the documentation,
which promptin find's response about Bow and all of those
memory lattes. That was Robert hur And the second prosecutor
(11:54):
is a guy named Mark Crickbound. And yes, both of
them were very friendly, very gentle, even Krickbaum. He's the
guy who sort of catches Biden so to speed, in
these two sort of inconsistencies.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Biden at one point says like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Why I kept it all this stuff, and then Krickbaum's like, well,
you know you talked about this with Bob Woodward and
these other journalists. Do you think he might have kept
it for posterity sake? And the reason krikbamb was asking
that is to lay the foundation for the fact that
Biden knew he had classified documents and decided to keep
them and that was an intent crime, so to speak,
(12:37):
or it could be an intent crime. And then you
hear Biden's lawyer, Bob Bauer kind of quickly jump in
at a certain point and we document this in our
story at that tales and sort of get a little
testing and like, hey, look, the president has answered what
his answered, don't ask him anymore. Later on Krickbaum, in
(12:57):
a very again gentle fashion, points out, Hey, we have
these tapes of you talking to your ghostwriter for your
book promised me, Dad, And in that recording made by
your ghostwriter review you said, I found all the classified
stuff downstairs.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Like what, Gibbs, you would like to know more about it?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Biden, Now we can't see it, it's just audio, essentially
turns to his lawyer.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
He audioly turns to his lawyer and.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Says, well, I'm you know, I'm kind of not.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
He doesn't quite say I'm not supposed to answer that,
but he gives a very loyally response and his lawyer
backs him up.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
But in both of those cases, Robert Herr, who is
just trying to establish just basic foundation of where are
your desks, where are your file cabinets, how do the
file cabinets and desks wind up in your various offices
and homes, and how do these classified documents wind up
in those pieces of furniture, he just had a very
difficult time doing it.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
In both cases.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
However, these guys are very friendly, they're very respectful, they
understand they're interviewing the president. The president's lawyer, Bob Bauer
calls the special prosecutor rob Or Robert doesn't call him
mister her and he calls Mark Krukbaum the other prosecutor Mark.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
So it's very familiar and very friendly, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
That's one of the things that makes it surprising to
see Democrats afterwards say that they're politically motivated.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
It just wasn't the case.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Yeah, marketing hanger. One second, we'll take a short commercial break.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Mark Capudo a reporter from nineteen ninety six, at least
nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
We're doing this couple of.
Speaker 8 (14:33):
Three years at Axios, one of the main folks over there.
A blockbuster news story that is a the dominant news
story this morning throughout the world. To her interview with
Joe Biden from eight October of twenty twenty three. Short
commercial break. We're also going to go to the Vatican
with Ben Harnwell. Shortly stick around.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
You're in the Word America. Here's your host, Stephen k Back.
Speaker 8 (15:04):
Okay, we're with Mark Caputo of Axios. The Jim Vander
Hey Mike Allen site that is kind of the conventional
the Washington Consensus news site here that kind of drives
the drives the conversation, the narrative every day. Caputo, you
are one of the most respected guys in town. Is
being as close to even handed as the mainstream you
(15:26):
can get. But I think people, how did Mark Caputo
in Axios end up with a with a tape that
I don't know may evolve into a scandal the scale
of Watergate, Sir, I.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Would say two reasons. One is the Wayne Gretzky rule.
You missed one hundred percent of the shots you don't take,
and we asked, we just took the shot. And then secondly,
my co author on this, Alex Thompson, has co authored
a book that talks about the cover up from the
Biden operation of his age, and combined with sort of
(16:04):
both of our reputations and the fact that we had
said early on I asked started asking for this on
January twenty second of the new administration, no one had
really been paying attention to it. They said, yeah, sure,
understand that when we asked for these tapes, like no
one at the Department of Justice knew where they were,
they had to go track them down. It prompted an
(16:27):
actual search to just locate these things and figure out
if the tape matches the transcript, and then how to
release it, and the rest is history.
Speaker 8 (16:38):
Hang on, hold, stop, stop, you're telling me in the
landing team, in the beachhead team they're supposed to do
in the transition that are supposed to do the change
of command, that this was not like in like the
top two or three things on the checklist that they said, okay,
her tapes over here. Let's storm that the beachhead and
landing teams didn't have those readily ofailable.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I can't speak to that, but I can tell you
that the people I spoke to the Department of Justice
at the White House, including those at some of the
most senior levels, had no idea where these things were.
Some of them had been like, oh yeah, yeah, sure
we'll we'll we'll get them to you. We just need
to find them. Then, yeah, this is like January twenty
(17:22):
seconds the first I asked. I called back a week later,
They're like, still looking, So they had to track them down.
I have a feeling I was led at one point
to believe that they weren't even at DOJET. Now I
can't confirm that was unable to confirm it, but it
just gives you an idea of this sort of mad
dash that they've been through, sort of looking through file
cabints or picking up the phone calling people like, hey,
(17:44):
who's got the tape? Well, eventually they got the tape
and eventually came to us, Caputa.
Speaker 8 (17:50):
When's the first time that you and Alex actually had
a chance to listen to When's the first time that
you had a chance to listen to these tapes?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Tuesday? I think I'm.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Losing track of days here. Yeah, Tuesday is when we
started listening to him.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And what's.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
These interviews took place over two days, October eighth and
October ninth, and twenty twenty three. The first day is
where Biden just really doesn't sound with it. Now, that's
the day after October seventh. I would imagine at a
certain point some people will say, well, yeah, he was
tired because he was up all night dealing with the
(18:33):
crisis that unfolded in Israel when amass launched his terrorist
attack October ninth. He's much more with it and much cleaner.
So there's like a good day Biden and a bad
day Biden. The bad day Biden was day one, and
I got to tell you, like, that's just painful listening.
You had played that first clip at the top of
the show where he is kind of well fumbling around
(18:54):
in the recesses of his mind to find these words
and figure out these dates, and he's getting an assist
from his lawyers who sort of take on the role
of memory caretaker for him. And one of the things
that struck me when I listened to it more closely,
and we wrote about this in Axios, is that this
takes place in the White House map room, and there's
(19:15):
a giant Grandfather clock and you can hear it ticking
in the background, and the ticking is this sort.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Of metronomic reminder.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Of the passage of time, and it almost has this
sort of literary device. It's like Edgar Allen Powell or
something where you can just hear this tick talk, this
relentless ticking and talking of time. As Joe Biden is
kind of mumbling and muttering through some of these uncomfortable silences.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
It's difficult to listen to in the literal sense. It's pathetic.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
Did as you listen to it, given you've covered this
for a couple of years and you were the first
guy to really hate I want these tapes go to
the White House and Jos Sparta say, hey, put me
the top of list.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
I want these to initiate this.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
As you were listening to them, did you realize did
you think, hey, I got the goods here?
Speaker 7 (20:13):
This is kind of blowing me away.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I was wondering how to write about a guy. How
do you write about uncomfortable silences?
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Right?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I was thinking about it in a very a process
oriented way, but in listening to.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
It, it just reminded me of how difficult it was
to cover Biden back in twenty twenty. Part of the
reason that we had gotten these tapes, I said that
both Alex Thompson and I have our reputations for calling
it as it is, was that I wrote one of
the first stories in the mainstream media with a prior
(20:54):
publication that I worked at in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Right after Joe Biden noun.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
We did a story when I worked at Politico about
whether he was too old. It was pretty clear then
that he was having age problems. But having covered him
then in that campaign and then listening to it now,
it's just sort of blown away that he sounded so
(21:22):
bad on day one, and then I was blown away
that he didn't sound so bad on day two. But
this is something that you see if you have and
you're lucky enough to have aging parents or have had
eight aging grandparents. They have good days, you're like, hey,
they're back. And they have bad days, You're like, oh man,
(21:46):
this is not good. And you hear both of those
on these tapes.
Speaker 8 (21:52):
What do you think as a reporter, as a story unfolds, that.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
This is going to.
Speaker 8 (22:00):
Either lead to investigations or at least inquiries from the
media and others about the Pratorian guard around Biden. And
because when you hear the bad Day, you're sitting there
thinking it's the day after the bad day is the
day after one of the most significant military events, not terrorists,
(22:22):
military events in the history of the modern Middle East.
And you're listening to the commander in chief of the
Armed Forces of the United States, Sir.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, I mean that goes through your mind when you
listen to it. I don't know how much this is
going to lead to investigations, but this is I'm shamelessly
plug Alec Thompson and Jay Chapper's book Original Sin.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
This is something that they document pretty clearly in there.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
What you are also seeing, because we're in a very fluid,
dynamic political environment and social media, is there is a
democratic backlash or jiu jitsu that's occurring where people are saying, Okay, yeah, sure,
Joe Biden was that, but boy listened to Donald Trump,
So you're gonna hear more about sort of the conflict
between these two men in that respect or in that
(23:17):
regard playout. But it does clearly call into question the
degree to which Joe Biden was bubble wrapped by his
administration and his handlers, because it is clear when you
listen to these tapes that the President of the United States.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Did have handlers, he did have.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
People who helped him through sort of basic facts when
he was speaking in candid environments, and learning more about
those would certainly fulfill or fill out.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
The historic record or the historical record.
Speaker 8 (23:55):
Where do you go, I know, you get a bounce,
we get a couple of minutes. Where does Capudo take
this story? You're you're been known as being a pretty
dogged reporter. Alex clearly has written this blockbuster book with
Tapper that'll have to stand, you know, obviously on its merits.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
But where do you go with the story.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Well, I would have to say, stay tuned. I am.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I am both a full time reporter and I am
being interviewed right now from a rental home that I'm
trying to fix up. That's why I kind of look terrible.
So I haven't given it enough thought.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I will.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I will answer that as honestly as possible. This is
why I'll never run for elected office, and why I'll
never be elected if I did.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
Capudo.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
You know, I don't want to upset you, but you
kind of look the same that I've gotten to know you,
so I don't know.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
I wouldn't blame it on the new house.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Okay, Well I don't even have a wireless connection here,
so it's been all choppy.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Thanks. I got to put in an air conditioner now
on a wallon. I'm gonna get going.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
Mark, where do people go on social media? Over at
acts us to follow this?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yep? Uh, Mark with the c at Mark A Caputo.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I'm on Twitter or ex or whatever you call it,
and obviously Axios dot com.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I have an author page as well.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
Mark Computer, thank you very much for taking time away
on a Saturday to uh talk with us here in
the worm.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I appreciate you. Thanks Steve Bye, thank you.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
How about the how about the answer the first question?
How did you get this black person tape?
Speaker 7 (25:29):
I asked?
Speaker 8 (25:30):
This is a lesson for everybody out there, and particularly
young people. Initiate action. You never know how it's going
to play out. Just initiate action, the first one to ask,
and to be persistent and dogged about it. The other
kind of shocker that the uh that the head to
go track it down, just saying Okay, we're gonna take
(25:53):
a short break. We got Harnwell at the Vatican. My
wingman this morning is Dave Bratt. I'm gonna get Dave
in here for his thoughts about this blockbuster story.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
Chip Roy's going to join us later about the budget.
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Speaker 8 (27:03):
So, I'm gobsmacked. I'm gonna get to that second. Brat's
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Speaker 7 (30:34):
Here's what's stunning to me.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
What's stunning the persistency in capudo to get the story
and to get the tapes is just good old American grit,
and they just put it out there and you can
listen to it, and everybody should listen to it. What
has stunned me is why have we not in panel
of grit? Why is there not a massive investigation. This
was controlled by the partner of Justice, the Department Justice
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and President Trump's administration. Why is already not a massive
investigation that's four or five months into the or at
least four months into existence.
Speaker 9 (31:13):
Sir, well, I'm hoping that there's a good answer with
bonding and cash government gangsters.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I'm hoping they have them all lined up, right.
Speaker 9 (31:25):
I mean, now we've got Comy with just grotesque, morally
reprehensible actions, and then you got Brennan, you got the CIA.
All these folks are just lined up, and then the
entire Justice Department, the criminality that ran across the fifty
one intelligence officers.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
And I mean, I'm just shocked.
Speaker 9 (31:48):
I pay too much attention to the media side, but
you put your finger on it, right, and the uh,
the left won't even cover it. Right, They're got to
drag you know, comparisons with Trump or whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
A move.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
Why was there not but hanging Why was there gonna
move of Kamala Harris, General Austin, the people that saw
him every day on the twenty fifth Amendment? Why would
this This is about the security not just the United
States of America.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
This is about the security of the of the world.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
Who's to say that infiltration or the Muslim Brotherhood or
whatever knew about how he's impaired, how impaired he was
to uh to initiate, to initiate October seventh in Gaza.
Who's to say that they knew how impered he was
and how he could make decisions and fumbled everything that
(32:39):
this part drove the Ukraine invasion. I don't know, but
what I do. What I do know is that it
is unacceptable. That is not You listen to those tapes
in her, he's like if you saw one flew over
the cuckoo's nest. He's like one of the assistants there
helping those people through through their day. If you've ever
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had a relative in one of these homes that you
go and these very courageous and generous people who are
the assistants or the residents, or the young doctors or
the nurses, they're helping them through the day. That's what
her was so gentle, and the other lawyer was so gentle.
It was like talking to a dementia patients that's got
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the beginnings of dementia. They're guiding him through. That's on
the tape. You can't deny that and all the lies
of misrepresentation. This is a scandal, the Dorswartergate. This is
a commander or We've had the beginning of the kinetic
part of the Third World There's no coincidences, folks, They're
no coincidences and no conspiracy. But you can't tell me
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that our enemies didn't know they had a guy that
was not up to the task in the inner circle.
At least knew it and knew it every day. He's
commander in chief. This is the big fight in the
Supreme Court from last night. The guy that office is
the commander in chief. They're trying to thwart They're trying
to thwart Trump and they covered up and protected Biden.
(34:09):
He's commander in chief. Where's the twenty fifth Amendment? Where's
Kamala Harris? We have to have a formal inquiry in this.
You have to adjudicate this. This can never be allowed
to happen again. People have to be held accountable. I
would argue, hey, we started the kinetic part of the
Third World War. This is greater than between invasion of
Poland and thirty nine and the Germans going into.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
Russia and Operation Barbarossa.
Speaker 8 (34:32):
In forty one, we've killed four or five times more
people than those two years at the beginning of World
War Two?
Speaker 7 (34:40):
And he was on watch and who protected him?
Speaker 8 (34:44):
And I don't want to hear the happy talk media, Oh,
just trying to screw you. Trump can stand up there
all the time because he's come out and trolling you
guys a third of the time.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
That's hiss.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
Trump just went to the Middle East and bench pressed everybody.
Speaker 7 (34:57):
Don't give me Oh, this is no.
Speaker 8 (34:58):
Equivalent here, and you're not going to get away with
the credonnet care about your crappy democratic there. This is
the fricking problem. The fricking problem is we've had these
tapes and the Justice Department for five months and what
the frick is going on? Why is there not a
formal investigation? I don't hear Comer's up yammering again. You
think we're going to hand this over to Comber?
Speaker 2 (35:18):
What do you do?
Speaker 8 (35:19):
Last time, he wasted a couple of years and then
wrote a book. I don't want another Comber investigation and
then write another book.
Speaker 7 (35:26):
I want action.
Speaker 8 (35:27):
We need to do this for this republic. This can
never be allowed to happen again. And the way you
stop it, have it, and again you hold the people
that protected him and hid this information as commander in chief,
Commander in chief of the armed forces with a raging
war going on greater than the kinetic part of the
first couple of years of World War two.
Speaker 7 (35:48):
Dave Bratt. Yeah, and more.
Speaker 9 (35:52):
Than commander in chief CEO, all the secretaries. Look what
Trump's doing across all the secretaries now and the chief
magistrate compromised. It shows you the virtue of the friends
set up there too. He didn't have any friends that
stick up for him as a human being, his wife and.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Hang on your hang on, yo, yo, you're losing the plot.
I got it. He's chief executive. Listen, He's totally illegitimate.
Speaker 8 (36:16):
Look at Trump's if we put Trump's true social Trumps
going off on his legitimacy in all the issues that
require from his illegitimate because they didn't win twenty twenty.
And you see right now the Praetorian Guard. If you
want to see the deep state in action. They selected
this guy. Why because he's docile, he's an old man.
He's just gonna you just gotta wandering. He's just wandering around.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Ye.
Speaker 8 (36:39):
This proves the point, but you've got to now adjudicate it.
You now have to get a platform that people can see, Okay,
we're gonna do this fair, we're gonna have all evidence, witnesses, everything,
but it's got to be adjudicated. It just can't sit
there and to know that we're in May and Axios
breaks it. Where's the investigation? What are you people doing
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and where are you spending your time? Because right now
I'm not feeling it. I'm hearing all kind of go
over're doing this. That's great, but somebody's got it. Then
when it comes out with this, then it's coming out
and saying, yeah, we've been an investigation. We've had a
grand jury for the last four months. We're calling witnesses
in uh, we're doing a formal investigation. The FBI is
(37:26):
all over this. We're we're doing real depositions, not her
not guiding some way through. Do you understand if they
had a real prosecutor on this guy, he had a
real prosecutor, he would have cracked, he'd have been it'd
have been all over the floor, been blood everywhere. If
he had had Hey, let him have what I had
with molar For those I don't know thirty hours. Let
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him go up to shifty shift in swallwell in the
house intel right. Let him have a real deposition under oath,
with a real prosecutor up in your grill, not playing
patty k and treating you like an old man.
Speaker 7 (38:01):
You want a cookie, here's a cookie. How about some milk? Right?
Speaker 8 (38:05):
Look like it looked like an assistant at a firm care.
People better get up on this baby, because this is
the thing itself.
Speaker 7 (38:14):
You want to see the deep state. You don't think
they selected this client? What did Kapudo said?
Speaker 8 (38:18):
The reason I might have gotten this in twenty nineteen,
I wrote an article how he was having senior moments
at the time. That's why they picked him. He was
the least offensive, and he was an old man they
could manage. So let's get the managers. Let's drill down
on the whole thing, because trust me, like Ordergay Boom,
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We can never allow this to happen again. Why did
Trump say came back and ran? He said that at
Charlie Kirk's at Mfest. He said, I ran because I
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had stolen it. And he would go against the gates
of hell. But hell, they're going to put him in
prison for three hundred years. He knew that and bankrupt him.
That was his profile and courage to come back. Where
is our profile and courage about making sure this never
happens again in this republic. The only way you're gonna
do it, You're gonna have some people here that are
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I remember as a kid or as a teenager, I
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Speaker 7 (40:14):
Right? And look what happened there.
Speaker 8 (40:16):
A couple of years later, Nixon's walking out to grab
a helicopter Marine one, and he's not going on a trip.
Speaker 7 (40:22):
He resigned.
Speaker 8 (40:25):
This is bigger because it will show you how he
was selected. It showed you and don't get me wrong,
as yes, as CEO and chief magistrate, the other three things.
They're huge and many of the actions I'm sure will
be derived as illegitimate. But the commander in chief is
where we nail it because he put everybody in jeopardy
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to stop Trump, to make sure Trump wasn't the president?
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Speaker 9 (42:30):
Well, I like your rant, and unfortunately the Congress and
the Senate's not ranting about anything. It's just business as usual.
It appears across the board. And so I hate to
say it, but this will change. This is a huge revelation.
As you say, it'll spiral out of control. If you
start exploring and expanding and calling people in front of
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our committees, our major committees, it'll be information overload with corruption.
And so you know, I hate to ask, but Trump
is going to have to do a rant on his
own people so they know he wants it. They know
he wants it. But that has to happen, as you say,
when you have the CEO and Commander in chief of
the United States of America, there's no bigger story out
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of commission. The reporter didn't want to go all in.
You could see him reticent, but he said he was
bubble wrapped. We had to be with him to support
him on the basic facts. We're talking about the President
of the United States here.
Speaker 7 (43:26):
This is no joke.
Speaker 9 (43:27):
This is it and when you get that chance right there,
and it's not political. This is for the republic, as
you said, you better do the right thing. And then
you got these press guys coming in. You've got Jake
Tapper saying I could have gone after a little bit further,
and Joe and Mika every morning saying he's at the
top of his metal acuity. And Tapper always says at
(43:51):
the beginning of your show every day, we don't have
a soul. His book is called Original Sin, and he
is the most arrogant. Arrogance and pride is the original sin.
And the Left needs to be taking a task all
of them. What did you know? When did you know it?
For a change, we had Republicans that actually went up
against Nixon because there's some people of character left back then,
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and they acted like cub scouts, not knowing that Nixon
was being taken out.
Speaker 7 (44:18):
And so now we know all of it, We know
everything across.
Speaker 8 (44:22):
We hammered this every day, Jack Phisoba hammered it every day.
You could tell the guy wasn't up to it. We
kept we kept ranting, where's your twenty fifth Amendment? Why
are you letting this guy?
Speaker 7 (44:33):
And here's who knew it.
Speaker 8 (44:34):
The Russian You don't think the Russians knew this on
the EVA rolling in there in twenty two, the whole way.
You don't think the enemies of Israel and the United
States didn't know this before the Muslim Brotherhood moved in
October of Listen, don't take it from me. See what
you see. Listen to it, and just listen to it.
It's an entirety. On the eighth of October of twenty
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twenty three, we have a record. This is the day
after the attack happened. That's your commander in chief. That's
your commander in chief. And if he had had a prosecutor,
you know that that was getting down on it. He
would have been ripped apart. He'd been all over, he
(45:19):
had been he'd been all over the floor. They treated him,
they treated him like they were they were hospital attendants
in a nursing home. And Merrick Garland correct me if
I'm wrong. I don't want to bring up a sore subject,
but I think I went to prison for four months
on a misdemeanor for defying a subpoena that Merrick Garland
prosecuted me personally and didn't the Congress come to him
(45:42):
about this. Where's Merek Garland? Why is Merek Garland not
going to pay a penalty for this? Why he's not
going to pay a price for this. I'm not about vengeance,
I'm not about come retribution. That has nothing to do
with it. This is about this republic. We cannot allow
this to stand. Everybody associated with this has got to
be called in in question under oath. We got to
(46:03):
get to the bottom of this, how he was selected,
how they bubble wrapped him. What else do we don't
know they kept it from We need to grill these people.
And hey, if the Justice Department can't do it and
the FBI can't do it, then get a special prosecutor
and let's roll.
Speaker 7 (46:19):
They set up our.
Speaker 8 (46:20):
Special prosecutor for this the first time on the classified
documents against him. There's a big there's a much bigger
story here. And I'm shocked that Merrek Garland, listening to
this tape, didn't He kept saying that I'm totally independent.
You're not independent, You're a hack, and no offense. He
should be charged with crimes right now of a conspiracy
to conceal this from the American people.
Speaker 7 (46:42):
Don't take it from me.
Speaker 8 (46:44):
Listen to the tape and write in your calendar eight
October twenty twenty three, less than twenty four hours after
the attack of the Muslim Brotherhood Nomasa in Israel. And
this is your commander in chief. This is the guy
calling the shots. This is the guy making the final
You know all the movies, they're all down in the
situation room. And you know Joe Biden's he knows so
(47:07):
much and he's so much better than Trump and Trump.
Issa Erratick compare this in the heat of battle to
Donald Trump in the Middle East this week.
Speaker 7 (47:19):
Do you know I kept telling you.
Speaker 8 (47:21):
That one of the reasons they people I used to
harpen this all the time, that the people throughout the world,
the the elites throughout the world knew he wasn't legitimate.
Speaker 7 (47:30):
They didn't treat legitimate.
Speaker 8 (47:32):
Remember when he rides up in the suv to NBS
and they give the little fist bump because they're dismissing him.
They knew exactly this. He was placed in by the
Pertorian Guard. If you want to break the Praetorian guards
hold on this empire which they have the deep State,
(47:52):
the way you break it is you use this as
the instrument. You use this as the instrument, and you
do a full and deep investigation. You make them lawyer up,
you make them spend all their money. Right, you strip
them of all their security clearances. In the process. You
make sure they're so radioactive as you as they testify
that no company will ever retain them as consultant, because
(48:13):
that's how they put their snout in the trough.
Speaker 7 (48:16):
Right.
Speaker 8 (48:17):
You toxify these people, because they need to be toxified.
Speaker 7 (48:21):
They put this country.
Speaker 8 (48:23):
Every parent out there that's got a kid in the
armed forces, that was your commander in chief, that's your
commander in chief. And everybody that said on the debate
with Trump, oh he just had a bad day. No,
that's every day, except you know, the next day they
juice him up, they jack him up on something for
a couple hours, and Jill pats him on the head.
Speaker 7 (48:45):
Okay, short commercial break. We've got a surprise guest. We're
going to try to get tripoy. Brett.
Speaker 8 (48:49):
You're gonna stick around. You're a good foil today, Brett
take the crap. Short break back in a moment
This time when you're living in Chambridge Road, and they were.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Documents related to the head Biden Center or the bio.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Cancer shot or your book.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Where did you keep papers that related to those things
that you were actively working?
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Well, I I I I I I.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
This is what twenty seventeen eighteen that area. Remember in
this time frame, my son is uh either been deployed
or is dying.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
And uh and so.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
If it was uh.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
And by the way, there were still a lot of
people at the time when I got out of the
Senate that were encouraging me to run in this period,
Uh accept the president. Uh, I'm not being not a
mean thing, I said. I mean, you just thought that
she had a better shot.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Of winning the president than I did. And so I hadn't.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I hadn't at this point, even I'm a pen I
hadn't walked away from the idea that I might run
for office again.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
If I grant again and been running for president and uh?
Speaker 6 (01:34):
And so.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
What was happening though when went to boat dying, UH
got a mazed thirty thirty years Uh in twenty eighteen,
when the twenty fifteen and died was made twenty fifteen,
think it's twenty fifteen or eat.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
That much of the month or what he goes. Yeah,
that's right, that's it.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
And what's happened in the meantime is that UH has
and Trump gets elected in November of twenty seventeen or
sixteen sixteen, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
Alright, So.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Why I have twenty.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Seventeen, that's when we left the office in January tent seven, Okay, but.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
That's when Trump gets sworn in. And why your rth
Courtland cat you have selected and uh in twenty seventeen
both had passed and uh mah, it was just personal?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Was this memo, mister president? Was this something that you
consciously have after your term as vice president? Is this
something that you wanted to hold on too?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I don't recall. Does I have this the position of
my position to spend up.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
To give you some context for this, mister president, he
was found in the front of this notebook that's on
the first page. And the notebook was founded in the
library at the lake House in one of the troys in.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
The apperanswers, you don't know, I don't recall how I
got back. I mean, I don't recall how I got
back in the book because I sent it to the
president and gave it to the president, and this looks
like the original. I don't think there's maybe there's a
copy made, but I don't think it was fact just
get oh okay, that's why?
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Yeah, all right, no, I got.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I wasn't sure how I got how I whether I
gay handed the president. It was facts the president which
I had to copy. Okay, I had the reason. I
just put it in the book and that was it.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Were you aware that you had kept it after your
charming's vice president?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Did you know that you had it?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I don't know that I knew, wouldn't wouldn't some something
I wished time to think about it.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
The reason I asked is it's been written, it out about.
Woodward wrote about it in one of his books, Jewels.
Wind Coover wrote about it in his biography of You.
So that that's the reason I asked, is if it
was something that he wanted to hang on to, he
was going to be such a.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Reporting or his ima showing reporting, but I wanted to
hang on. I guess I wanted to hang on just
proposterity setting. I mean, this was my position on Afghanistan.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
And in the course of explaining that memo about Afghanistan,
you said to Mark, I just found all the classified
stuff downstairs. And so you could imagine we are curious
what you meant when you said I just found all
the classified stuff downstairs.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I don't I don't remember. I'm not supposed to speculate
right correctly.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Okay, Well, I.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Don't remember, and uh, and it may have been.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I just don't remember. Okay.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Do you remember telling Mark about the handwritten now that
you had written for President Obama? I probably did.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I don't remember specifically, but my guess is I may
have done that.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Okay, do you remember telling him I just found all
the dark classified stuff downstairs?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Martapt telling Mark? Do you remember saying that to him?
Speaker 5 (05:50):
No? Okay, do you remember actually finding any classified stuff downstairs?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
No.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
We appreciate very much your willingness and hope they'll need
to they pull up with your best efforts and really
try to make your best revelation in response to the
questions we asked.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Because I acknowledge that some of the questions we are asking.
Great Two, that's that happened years ago. We're the young
wad so it's.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Not a wrong.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
This is the primal scream of a dying regie.
Speaker 8 (06:28):
Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on
these people.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
There's not got a free shot.
Speaker 8 (06:35):
And all these networks lying about the people, the people
have had a belly full of it.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
I know you don't like hearing that.
Speaker 8 (06:41):
I know you've tried to do everything in the world
to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
It's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And where do people like that go to share the
big line? Mega media?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of
these people had a conscience.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
That answer is to save my country.
Speaker 7 (07:02):
This country will be saved.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
War Room.
Speaker 7 (07:06):
Here's your host, Stephen K.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Bath.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
It's Saturday, seventeen May.
Speaker 8 (07:16):
You're over Lord, twenty twenty five blockbuster tape put out
last night, first in about a four four and a
half minute clip, and then later in the evening put
out exclusively at Axios.
Speaker 7 (07:28):
The reporter's Mark Capudo. He joins us.
Speaker 8 (07:30):
Now, Mark, first off, how many years have you been
a reporter?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Sir?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I guess I'm old ast the hills since nineteen ninety six,
and you do the math.
Speaker 8 (07:43):
So you've been doing this a couple of three years,
right a little bit. How is this the Is this
one of the biggest blockbuster stories you've ever handled? Because dude,
this is so much bigger than Watergate. I'm actually gobsmacked
on your first clip, and then when I heard the
(08:04):
whole thing. Is this the biggest scandal you've ever handled
in your life?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I don't know what biggest scandal, but it's a huge
news story because it speaks to all of these different
themes and elements that had been discussed in the twenty
twenty campaign, twenty twenty four, and then after which was
in twenty sixteen, even to a degree, which is Joe.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Biden decided to run, and there were persistent.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Questions about his age and his administration, and his campaign
did a very effective job putting up stuff guardrails around him,
bubble wrapping him up, and also relying in some cases
on very skillfully placed stories, for instance that he had
stuttered to explain how he.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Had lost some of his edge to put a general And.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Now, after the Biden White House had refused to release
these tapes, the Biden Department of Justice and refused to
release these tapes. Have been sitting down with this special prosecutor,
we now actually hear for the first time. It adds
a real dimension to that discussion that happened that day
that we just didn't hear before. And some of it
(09:21):
is just the normal stuff of asking anybody, hey, what
happened a few years ago, Like I couldn't remember how
long I've been a report, But when you listen to
some sections of it, it's just very, very surprising at
how Joe Biden was unable to answer certain just basic questions.
Will recall certain basic dates, namely the death of his son,
(09:43):
the year Donald Trump was elected, when he left his
vice president, and you can just hear in his voice
that it's just not the same guy who was a
vice president or even to a degree, who had first
run for president in twenty twenty At that point in
twenty twenty three, when he had sat down with the
special prosecutor, it's a pretty clear that as the prosecutor
(10:06):
had said he was an old man, and the prosecutor
said he was a simple he would be seen by
jurors as.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
A sympathetic old man.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And that's part of the reason with a bad memory,
essentially that he wouldn't be prosecutor, and Democrats at the
time just attacked the special prosecutor.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Pials, you know, attack the press for reporting of that one.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Now we hear for the first time that Robert Herber
accurately described what he heard, because now we can hear
it too.
Speaker 8 (10:39):
By the way, this interview with her took correct man
from wrong eight October of twenty twenty three, So it's
just really a year after he gets into the hustings
with Trump, trying to take on Trump, I guess in
July and dropping out. What's donned me is that Robert Herr,
(11:00):
if you just step back for a second, Robert Hurr
sounds like a a resident or an intern, or a
young doctor at a facility for older folks, really guiding
somebody through. I mean, this is not what you consider
a prosecutorial deposition. He's not coming on hard, he's almost
(11:20):
trying to guide. And I'm just saying he's being unprofessional,
but he's being quite gentle on what obviously is a
frail old man in front of him.
Speaker 7 (11:28):
Is that not the way you perceive it.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Well, there's two prosecutors who appear in this state or
who You could hear the one initially who is asking
him just sort of the basic foundation questions of the documentation,
which promptin find's response about Bow and all of those
memory lattes. That was Robert hur And the second prosecutor
(11:54):
is a guy named Mark Crickbound. And yes, both of
them were very friendly, very gentle, even Krickbaum. He's the
guy who sort of catches Biden so to speed, in
these two sort of inconsistencies.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Biden at one point says like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Why I kept it all this stuff, and then Krickbaum's like, well,
you know you talked about this with Bob Woodward and
these other journalists. Do you think he might have kept
it for posterity sake? And the reason krikbamb was asking
that is to lay the foundation for the fact that
Biden knew he had classified documents and decided to keep
them and that was an intent crime, so to speak,
(12:37):
or it could be an intent crime. And then you
hear Biden's lawyer, Bob Bauer kind of quickly jump in
at a certain point and we document this in our
story at that tales and sort of get a little
testing and like, hey, look, the president has answered what
his answered, don't ask him anymore. Later on Krickbaum, in
(12:57):
a very again gentle fashion, points out, Hey, we have
these tapes of you talking to your ghostwriter for your
book promised me, Dad, And in that recording made by
your ghostwriter review you said, I found all the classified
stuff downstairs.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Like what, Gibbs, you would like to know more about it?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Biden, Now we can't see it, it's just audio, essentially
turns to his lawyer.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
He audioly turns to his lawyer and.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Says, well, I'm you know, I'm kind of not.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
He doesn't quite say I'm not supposed to answer that,
but he gives a very loyally response and his lawyer
backs him up.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
But in both of those cases, Robert Herr, who is
just trying to establish just basic foundation of where are
your desks, where are your file cabinets, how do the
file cabinets and desks wind up in your various offices
and homes, and how do these classified documents wind up
in those pieces of furniture, he just had a very
difficult time doing it.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
In both cases.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
However, these guys are very friendly, they're very respectful, they
understand they're interviewing the president. The president's lawyer, Bob Bauer
calls the special prosecutor rob Or Robert doesn't call him
mister her and he calls Mark Krukbaum the other prosecutor Mark.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
So it's very familiar and very friendly, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
That's one of the things that makes it surprising to
see Democrats afterwards say that they're politically motivated.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
It just wasn't the case.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Yeah, marketing hanger. One second, we'll take a short commercial break.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Mark Capudo a reporter from nineteen ninety six, at least
nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
We're doing this couple of.
Speaker 8 (14:33):
Three years at Axios, one of the main folks over there.
A blockbuster news story that is a the dominant news
story this morning throughout the world. To her interview with
Joe Biden from eight October of twenty twenty three. Short
commercial break. We're also going to go to the Vatican
with Ben Harnwell. Shortly stick around.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
You're in the Word America. Here's your host, Stephen k Back.
Speaker 8 (15:04):
Okay, we're with Mark Caputo of Axios. The Jim Vander
Hey Mike Allen site that is kind of the conventional
the Washington Consensus news site here that kind of drives
the drives the conversation, the narrative every day. Caputo, you
are one of the most respected guys in town. Is
being as close to even handed as the mainstream you
(15:26):
can get. But I think people, how did Mark Caputo
in Axios end up with a with a tape that
I don't know may evolve into a scandal the scale
of Watergate, Sir, I.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Would say two reasons. One is the Wayne Gretzky rule.
You missed one hundred percent of the shots you don't take,
and we asked, we just took the shot. And then secondly,
my co author on this, Alex Thompson, has co authored
a book that talks about the cover up from the
Biden operation of his age, and combined with sort of
(16:04):
both of our reputations and the fact that we had
said early on I asked started asking for this on
January twenty second of the new administration, no one had
really been paying attention to it. They said, yeah, sure,
understand that when we asked for these tapes, like no
one at the Department of Justice knew where they were,
they had to go track them down. It prompted an
(16:27):
actual search to just locate these things and figure out
if the tape matches the transcript, and then how to
release it, and the rest is history.
Speaker 8 (16:38):
Hang on, hold, stop, stop, you're telling me in the
landing team, in the beachhead team they're supposed to do
in the transition that are supposed to do the change
of command, that this was not like in like the
top two or three things on the checklist that they said, okay,
her tapes over here. Let's storm that the beachhead and
landing teams didn't have those readily ofailable.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I can't speak to that, but I can tell you
that the people I spoke to the Department of Justice
at the White House, including those at some of the
most senior levels, had no idea where these things were.
Some of them had been like, oh yeah, yeah, sure
we'll we'll we'll get them to you. We just need
to find them. Then, yeah, this is like January twenty
(17:22):
seconds the first I asked. I called back a week later,
They're like, still looking, So they had to track them down.
I have a feeling I was led at one point
to believe that they weren't even at DOJET. Now I
can't confirm that was unable to confirm it, but it
just gives you an idea of this sort of mad
dash that they've been through, sort of looking through file
cabints or picking up the phone calling people like, hey,
(17:44):
who's got the tape? Well, eventually they got the tape
and eventually came to us, Caputa.
Speaker 8 (17:50):
When's the first time that you and Alex actually had
a chance to listen to When's the first time that
you had a chance to listen to these tapes?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Tuesday? I think I'm.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Losing track of days here. Yeah, Tuesday is when we
started listening to him.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And what's.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
These interviews took place over two days, October eighth and
October ninth, and twenty twenty three. The first day is
where Biden just really doesn't sound with it. Now, that's
the day after October seventh. I would imagine at a
certain point some people will say, well, yeah, he was
tired because he was up all night dealing with the
(18:33):
crisis that unfolded in Israel when amass launched his terrorist
attack October ninth. He's much more with it and much cleaner.
So there's like a good day Biden and a bad
day Biden. The bad day Biden was day one, and
I got to tell you, like, that's just painful listening.
You had played that first clip at the top of
the show where he is kind of well fumbling around
(18:54):
in the recesses of his mind to find these words
and figure out these dates, and he's getting an assist
from his lawyers who sort of take on the role
of memory caretaker for him. And one of the things
that struck me when I listened to it more closely,
and we wrote about this in Axios, is that this
takes place in the White House map room, and there's
(19:15):
a giant Grandfather clock and you can hear it ticking
in the background, and the ticking is this sort.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Of metronomic reminder.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Of the passage of time, and it almost has this
sort of literary device. It's like Edgar Allen Powell or
something where you can just hear this tick talk, this
relentless ticking and talking of time. As Joe Biden is
kind of mumbling and muttering through some of these uncomfortable silences.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
It's difficult to listen to in the literal sense. It's pathetic.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
Did as you listen to it, given you've covered this
for a couple of years and you were the first
guy to really hate I want these tapes go to
the White House and Jos Sparta say, hey, put me
the top of list.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
I want these to initiate this.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
As you were listening to them, did you realize did
you think, hey, I got the goods here?
Speaker 7 (20:13):
This is kind of blowing me away.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I was wondering how to write about a guy. How
do you write about uncomfortable silences?
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Right?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I was thinking about it in a very a process
oriented way, but in listening to.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
It, it just reminded me of how difficult it was
to cover Biden back in twenty twenty. Part of the
reason that we had gotten these tapes, I said that
both Alex Thompson and I have our reputations for calling
it as it is, was that I wrote one of
the first stories in the mainstream media with a prior
(20:54):
publication that I worked at in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Right after Joe Biden noun.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
We did a story when I worked at Politico about
whether he was too old. It was pretty clear then
that he was having age problems. But having covered him
then in that campaign and then listening to it now,
it's just sort of blown away that he sounded so
(21:22):
bad on day one, and then I was blown away
that he didn't sound so bad on day two. But
this is something that you see if you have and
you're lucky enough to have aging parents or have had
eight aging grandparents. They have good days, you're like, hey,
they're back. And they have bad days, You're like, oh man,
(21:46):
this is not good. And you hear both of those
on these tapes.
Speaker 8 (21:52):
What do you think as a reporter, as a story unfolds, that.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
This is going to.
Speaker 8 (22:00):
Either lead to investigations or at least inquiries from the
media and others about the Pratorian guard around Biden. And
because when you hear the bad Day, you're sitting there
thinking it's the day after the bad day is the
day after one of the most significant military events, not terrorists,
(22:22):
military events in the history of the modern Middle East.
And you're listening to the commander in chief of the
Armed Forces of the United States, Sir.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, I mean that goes through your mind when you
listen to it. I don't know how much this is
going to lead to investigations, but this is I'm shamelessly
plug Alec Thompson and Jay Chapper's book Original Sin.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
This is something that they document pretty clearly in there.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
What you are also seeing, because we're in a very fluid,
dynamic political environment and social media, is there is a
democratic backlash or jiu jitsu that's occurring where people are saying, Okay, yeah, sure,
Joe Biden was that, but boy listened to Donald Trump,
So you're gonna hear more about sort of the conflict
between these two men in that respect or in that
(23:17):
regard playout. But it does clearly call into question the
degree to which Joe Biden was bubble wrapped by his
administration and his handlers, because it is clear when you
listen to these tapes that the President of the United States.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Did have handlers, he did have.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
People who helped him through sort of basic facts when
he was speaking in candid environments, and learning more about
those would certainly fulfill or fill out.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
The historic record or the historical record.
Speaker 8 (23:55):
Where do you go, I know, you get a bounce,
we get a couple of minutes. Where does Capudo take
this story? You're you're been known as being a pretty
dogged reporter. Alex clearly has written this blockbuster book with
Tapper that'll have to stand, you know, obviously on its merits.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
But where do you go with the story.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Well, I would have to say, stay tuned. I am.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I am both a full time reporter and I am
being interviewed right now from a rental home that I'm
trying to fix up. That's why I kind of look terrible.
So I haven't given it enough thought.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I will.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I will answer that as honestly as possible. This is
why I'll never run for elected office, and why I'll
never be elected if I did.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
Capudo.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
You know, I don't want to upset you, but you
kind of look the same that I've gotten to know you,
so I don't know.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
I wouldn't blame it on the new house.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Okay, Well I don't even have a wireless connection here,
so it's been all choppy.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Thanks. I got to put in an air conditioner now
on a wallon. I'm gonna get going.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
Mark, where do people go on social media? Over at
acts us to follow this?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yep? Uh, Mark with the c at Mark A Caputo.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I'm on Twitter or ex or whatever you call it,
and obviously Axios dot com.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I have an author page as well.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
Mark Computer, thank you very much for taking time away
on a Saturday to uh talk with us here in
the worm.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I appreciate you. Thanks Steve Bye, thank you.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
How about the how about the answer the first question?
How did you get this black person tape?
Speaker 7 (25:29):
I asked?
Speaker 8 (25:30):
This is a lesson for everybody out there, and particularly
young people. Initiate action. You never know how it's going
to play out. Just initiate action, the first one to ask,
and to be persistent and dogged about it. The other
kind of shocker that the uh that the head to
go track it down, just saying Okay, we're gonna take
(25:53):
a short break. We got Harnwell at the Vatican. My
wingman this morning is Dave Bratt. I'm gonna get Dave
in here for his thoughts about this blockbuster story.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
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What's stunning the persistency in capudo to get the story
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was controlled by the partner of Justice, the Department Justice
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investigation that's four or five months into the or at
least four months into existence.
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bonding and cash government gangsters.
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I'm hoping they have them all lined up, right.
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All these folks are just lined up, and then the
entire Justice Department, the criminality that ran across the fifty
one intelligence officers.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
And I mean, I'm just shocked.
Speaker 9 (31:48):
I pay too much attention to the media side, but
you put your finger on it, right, and the uh,
the left won't even cover it. Right, They're got to
drag you know, comparisons with Trump or whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
A move.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
Why was there not but hanging Why was there gonna
move of Kamala Harris, General Austin, the people that saw
him every day on the twenty fifth Amendment? Why would
this This is about the security not just the United
States of America.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
This is about the security of the of the world.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
Who's to say that infiltration or the Muslim Brotherhood or
whatever knew about how he's impaired, how impaired he was
to uh to initiate, to initiate October seventh in Gaza.
Who's to say that they knew how impered he was
and how he could make decisions and fumbled everything that
(32:39):
this part drove the Ukraine invasion. I don't know, but
what I do. What I do know is that it
is unacceptable. That is not You listen to those tapes
in her, he's like if you saw one flew over
the cuckoo's nest. He's like one of the assistants there
helping those people through through their day. If you've ever
(33:01):
had a relative in one of these homes that you
go and these very courageous and generous people who are
the assistants or the residents, or the young doctors or
the nurses, they're helping them through the day. That's what
her was so gentle, and the other lawyer was so gentle.
It was like talking to a dementia patients that's got
(33:22):
the beginnings of dementia. They're guiding him through. That's on
the tape. You can't deny that and all the lies
of misrepresentation. This is a scandal, the Dorswartergate. This is
a commander or We've had the beginning of the kinetic
part of the Third World There's no coincidences, folks, They're
no coincidences and no conspiracy. But you can't tell me
(33:45):
that our enemies didn't know they had a guy that
was not up to the task in the inner circle.
At least knew it and knew it every day. He's
commander in chief. This is the big fight in the
Supreme Court from last night. The guy that office is
the commander in chief. They're trying to thwart They're trying
to thwart Trump and they covered up and protected Biden.
(34:09):
He's commander in chief. Where's the twenty fifth Amendment? Where's
Kamala Harris? We have to have a formal inquiry in this.
You have to adjudicate this. This can never be allowed
to happen again. People have to be held accountable. I
would argue, hey, we started the kinetic part of the
Third World War. This is greater than between invasion of
Poland and thirty nine and the Germans going into.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
Russia and Operation Barbarossa.
Speaker 8 (34:32):
In forty one, we've killed four or five times more
people than those two years at the beginning of World
War Two?
Speaker 7 (34:40):
And he was on watch and who protected him?
Speaker 8 (34:44):
And I don't want to hear the happy talk media, Oh,
just trying to screw you. Trump can stand up there
all the time because he's come out and trolling you
guys a third of the time.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
That's hiss.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
Trump just went to the Middle East and bench pressed everybody.
Speaker 7 (34:57):
Don't give me Oh, this is no.
Speaker 8 (34:58):
Equivalent here, and you're not going to get away with
the credonnet care about your crappy democratic there. This is
the fricking problem. The fricking problem is we've had these
tapes and the Justice Department for five months and what
the frick is going on? Why is there not a
formal investigation? I don't hear Comer's up yammering again. You
think we're going to hand this over to Comber?
Speaker 2 (35:18):
What do you do?
Speaker 8 (35:19):
Last time, he wasted a couple of years and then
wrote a book. I don't want another Comber investigation and
then write another book.
Speaker 7 (35:26):
I want action.
Speaker 8 (35:27):
We need to do this for this republic. This can
never be allowed to happen again. And the way you
stop it, have it, and again you hold the people
that protected him and hid this information as commander in chief,
Commander in chief of the armed forces with a raging
war going on greater than the kinetic part of the
first couple of years of World War two.
Speaker 7 (35:48):
Dave Bratt. Yeah, and more.
Speaker 9 (35:52):
Than commander in chief CEO, all the secretaries. Look what
Trump's doing across all the secretaries now and the chief
magistrate compromised. It shows you the virtue of the friends
set up there too. He didn't have any friends that
stick up for him as a human being, his wife and.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Hang on your hang on, yo, yo, you're losing the plot.
I got it. He's chief executive. Listen, He's totally illegitimate.
Speaker 8 (36:16):
Look at Trump's if we put Trump's true social Trumps
going off on his legitimacy in all the issues that
require from his illegitimate because they didn't win twenty twenty.
And you see right now the Praetorian Guard. If you
want to see the deep state in action. They selected
this guy. Why because he's docile, he's an old man.
He's just gonna you just gotta wandering. He's just wandering around.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Ye.
Speaker 8 (36:39):
This proves the point, but you've got to now adjudicate it.
You now have to get a platform that people can see, Okay,
we're gonna do this fair, we're gonna have all evidence, witnesses, everything,
but it's got to be adjudicated. It just can't sit
there and to know that we're in May and Axios
breaks it. Where's the investigation? What are you people doing
(37:02):
and where are you spending your time? Because right now
I'm not feeling it. I'm hearing all kind of go
over're doing this. That's great, but somebody's got it. Then
when it comes out with this, then it's coming out
and saying, yeah, we've been an investigation. We've had a
grand jury for the last four months. We're calling witnesses
in uh, we're doing a formal investigation. The FBI is
(37:26):
all over this. We're we're doing real depositions, not her
not guiding some way through. Do you understand if they
had a real prosecutor on this guy, he had a
real prosecutor, he would have cracked, he'd have been it'd
have been all over the floor, been blood everywhere. If
he had had Hey, let him have what I had
with molar For those I don't know thirty hours. Let
(37:47):
him go up to shifty shift in swallwell in the
house intel right. Let him have a real deposition under oath,
with a real prosecutor up in your grill, not playing
patty k and treating you like an old man.
Speaker 7 (38:01):
You want a cookie, here's a cookie. How about some milk? Right?
Speaker 8 (38:05):
Look like it looked like an assistant at a firm care.
People better get up on this baby, because this is
the thing itself.
Speaker 7 (38:14):
You want to see the deep state. You don't think
they selected this client? What did Kapudo said?
Speaker 8 (38:18):
The reason I might have gotten this in twenty nineteen,
I wrote an article how he was having senior moments
at the time. That's why they picked him. He was
the least offensive, and he was an old man they
could manage. So let's get the managers. Let's drill down
on the whole thing, because trust me, like Ordergay Boom,
every day, you're gonna have another revelation. It's time to
(38:42):
get We're either real about this or not. We're either
gonna defend. This is not about Trump. This is not
about MAGA, This is not about our movement, This is
not even about the White House. This is about this republic.
We can never allow this to happen again. Why did
Trump say came back and ran? He said that at
Charlie Kirk's at Mfest. He said, I ran because I
(39:05):
knew they had I had won twenty twenty and they
had stolen it. And he would go against the gates
of hell. But hell, they're going to put him in
prison for three hundred years. He knew that and bankrupt him.
That was his profile and courage to come back. Where
is our profile and courage about making sure this never
happens again in this republic. The only way you're gonna
do it, You're gonna have some people here that are
(39:27):
behind bars and put it in and break. This is the
tool we need to break the deep state. But we
need the toughness and the focus and the relentlessness to
do it. This is what's a moment in history. You
grab it. If you grab it, you grab it and
you drive it. And there will be so many other
(39:48):
revelations that come up about this. Go back and look
at the beginning of Watergate. It started as a burglar.
I remember as a kid or as a teenager, I
think I'm down there at the beach with my family,
and my dad says, you know, he's got the pay
for this. Like in July, says, hey, there was something
like burglary over at the Democratic National Committee at some
apartment complex or hotel called the Wartergame. We're just sitting
(40:10):
there like hammerheads. Oh that's interesting. What's dad talking about?
Speaker 7 (40:14):
Right? And look what happened there.
Speaker 8 (40:16):
A couple of years later, Nixon's walking out to grab
a helicopter Marine one, and he's not going on a trip.
Speaker 7 (40:22):
He resigned.
Speaker 8 (40:25):
This is bigger because it will show you how he
was selected. It showed you and don't get me wrong,
as yes, as CEO and chief magistrate, the other three things.
They're huge and many of the actions I'm sure will
be derived as illegitimate. But the commander in chief is
where we nail it because he put everybody in jeopardy
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and they were willing to risk that to do what
to stop Trump, to make sure Trump wasn't the president?
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Short break, here's your Stephen K.
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Speaker 9 (42:30):
Well, I like your rant, and unfortunately the Congress and
the Senate's not ranting about anything. It's just business as usual.
It appears across the board. And so I hate to
say it, but this will change. This is a huge revelation.
As you say, it'll spiral out of control. If you
start exploring and expanding and calling people in front of
(42:50):
our committees, our major committees, it'll be information overload with corruption.
And so you know, I hate to ask, but Trump
is going to have to do a rant on his
own people so they know he wants it. They know
he wants it. But that has to happen, as you say,
when you have the CEO and Commander in chief of
the United States of America, there's no bigger story out
(43:13):
of commission. The reporter didn't want to go all in.
You could see him reticent, but he said he was
bubble wrapped. We had to be with him to support
him on the basic facts. We're talking about the President
of the United States here.
Speaker 7 (43:26):
This is no joke.
Speaker 9 (43:27):
This is it and when you get that chance right there,
and it's not political. This is for the republic, as
you said, you better do the right thing. And then
you got these press guys coming in. You've got Jake
Tapper saying I could have gone after a little bit further,
and Joe and Mika every morning saying he's at the
top of his metal acuity. And Tapper always says at
(43:51):
the beginning of your show every day, we don't have
a soul. His book is called Original Sin, and he
is the most arrogant. Arrogance and pride is the original sin.
And the Left needs to be taking a task all
of them. What did you know? When did you know it?
For a change, we had Republicans that actually went up
against Nixon because there's some people of character left back then,
(44:13):
and they acted like cub scouts, not knowing that Nixon
was being taken out.
Speaker 7 (44:18):
And so now we know all of it, We know
everything across.
Speaker 8 (44:22):
We hammered this every day, Jack Phisoba hammered it every day.
You could tell the guy wasn't up to it. We
kept we kept ranting, where's your twenty fifth Amendment? Why
are you letting this guy?
Speaker 7 (44:33):
And here's who knew it.
Speaker 8 (44:34):
The Russian You don't think the Russians knew this on
the EVA rolling in there in twenty two, the whole way.
You don't think the enemies of Israel and the United
States didn't know this before the Muslim Brotherhood moved in
October of Listen, don't take it from me. See what
you see. Listen to it, and just listen to it.
It's an entirety. On the eighth of October of twenty
(44:57):
twenty three, we have a record. This is the day
after the attack happened. That's your commander in chief. That's
your commander in chief. And if he had had a prosecutor,
you know that that was getting down on it. He
would have been ripped apart. He'd been all over, he
(45:19):
had been he'd been all over the floor. They treated him,
they treated him like they were they were hospital attendants
in a nursing home. And Merrick Garland correct me if
I'm wrong. I don't want to bring up a sore subject,
but I think I went to prison for four months
on a misdemeanor for defying a subpoena that Merrick Garland
prosecuted me personally and didn't the Congress come to him
(45:42):
about this. Where's Merek Garland? Why is Merek Garland not
going to pay a penalty for this? Why he's not
going to pay a price for this. I'm not about vengeance,
I'm not about come retribution. That has nothing to do
with it. This is about this republic. We cannot allow
this to stand. Everybody associated with this has got to
be called in in question under oath. We got to
(46:03):
get to the bottom of this, how he was selected,
how they bubble wrapped him. What else do we don't
know they kept it from We need to grill these people.
And hey, if the Justice Department can't do it and
the FBI can't do it, then get a special prosecutor
and let's roll.
Speaker 7 (46:19):
They set up our.
Speaker 8 (46:20):
Special prosecutor for this the first time on the classified
documents against him. There's a big there's a much bigger
story here. And I'm shocked that Merrek Garland, listening to
this tape, didn't He kept saying that I'm totally independent.
You're not independent, You're a hack, and no offense. He
should be charged with crimes right now of a conspiracy
to conceal this from the American people.
Speaker 7 (46:42):
Don't take it from me.
Speaker 8 (46:44):
Listen to the tape and write in your calendar eight
October twenty twenty three, less than twenty four hours after
the attack of the Muslim Brotherhood Nomasa in Israel. And
this is your commander in chief. This is the guy
calling the shots. This is the guy making the final
You know all the movies, they're all down in the
situation room. And you know Joe Biden's he knows so
(47:07):
much and he's so much better than Trump and Trump.
Issa Erratick compare this in the heat of battle to
Donald Trump in the Middle East this week.
Speaker 7 (47:19):
Do you know I kept telling you.
Speaker 8 (47:21):
That one of the reasons they people I used to
harpen this all the time, that the people throughout the world,
the the elites throughout the world knew he wasn't legitimate.
Speaker 7 (47:30):
They didn't treat legitimate.
Speaker 8 (47:32):
Remember when he rides up in the suv to NBS
and they give the little fist bump because they're dismissing him.
They knew exactly this. He was placed in by the
Pertorian Guard. If you want to break the Praetorian guards
hold on this empire which they have the deep State,
(47:52):
the way you break it is you use this as
the instrument. You use this as the instrument, and you
do a full and deep investigation. You make them lawyer up,
you make them spend all their money. Right, you strip
them of all their security clearances. In the process. You
make sure they're so radioactive as you as they testify
that no company will ever retain them as consultant, because
(48:13):
that's how they put their snout in the trough.
Speaker 7 (48:16):
Right.
Speaker 8 (48:17):
You toxify these people, because they need to be toxified.
Speaker 7 (48:21):
They put this country.
Speaker 8 (48:23):
Every parent out there that's got a kid in the
armed forces, that was your commander in chief, that's your
commander in chief. And everybody that said on the debate
with Trump, oh he just had a bad day. No,
that's every day, except you know, the next day they
juice him up, they jack him up on something for
a couple hours, and Jill pats him on the head.
Speaker 7 (48:45):
Okay, short commercial break. We've got a surprise guest. We're
going to try to get tripoy. Brett.
Speaker 8 (48:49):
You're gonna stick around. You're a good foil today, Brett
take the crap. Short break back in a moment
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