THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON (EP. 4494)

THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON, MAY 17TH, 2025

WITH CHIP ROY, DAVE BRAT, BEN HARNWELL, PATRICK WOOD, SCARLETT KAROLEVA, GRACE CHONG, AND MIKE LINDELL

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I appreciate my friend from Texas, the Chairman, And there
my Democratic colleagues go again telling things that are not true.
The vast majority of Americans will get tax benefits under
this bill. It's just simply false to say that that's
not true. Hardworking Americans who will benefit from the standard
deduction increase, hardworking Americans will benefit from child tax credits
and lower tax rates. Stop saying things that aren't true.

(00:21):
Those things are true. The fact is, we have money
in here for border to undo the damage of Joe Biden.
We have more money in here for the defense to
undo the damage of Joe Biden. But we also address
Medicaid and Medicaid spending goes up. Stop lying Medicaid spending
goes up. My colleagues on the other side of the
aisle are profoundly unserious when it comes to being real
about what's happening with the numbers.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I applaud Chairman Arrington.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I aplauded my colleagues on this side of the aisle
for taking a step forward in dealing with a spending
problem in this town. But I have to now admonish
my colleagues on this side of the aisle. This bill
falls profoundly short. It does not do what we say
it does with respect to deficits. The fact of the
matter is on the spending. What we're dealing with here,
on tax cuts and spending, a massive front loaded deficit increase.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
That's the truth. That's the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Deficits will go up in the first half of the
ten year budget window. And we all know it's true,
and we shouldn't do that. We shouldn't say that we're
doing something we're not doing. The fact of the matter
is this bill has backloaded savings and has front loaded spending,
nowhere near the Senate budget top line, by the way,

(01:31):
the Senate budget budget top line of six and a
half trillion dollars, which, by the way, is what we
were pre COVID inflation adjusted on interest on Medicaid, on
Medicare and Social Security. And if we would reform medicaid,
we could actually get to the core of the problem.
But we refuse to do it. And I'm not going
to sit here and say that everything is honkey dory

(01:53):
when this is the Budget Committee.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
This is the budget committee.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
We are supposed to do something to actually result in
balance by but we're not doing it. Look at what
happens under deficits. By the way, this chart includes growth.
This chart demonstrates economic growth, and right here, what do
you see baseline and the rage of columns are the
deficits under the House budget?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Assuming growth only in Washington?

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Are we expected to bet on the com that in
five years then everything will work, Then we will solve
the problem.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
We have got to change the direction of this town.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
And to my collegues on the other side of the aisle, yes,
that means touching Medicaid. It went from four hundred billion
to twenty nineteen to six hundred billion this year. It'll
be over a trillion in the twenty thirties. We are
making promises that we cannot keep. We do need to
reform it. We need to stop giving seven times as
much money to the able body over the vulnerable. Why
are we sticking it to the vulnerable population, that disabled

(02:53):
and the sick, to give money to single, able bodied
male adults.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
We shouldn't do that.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
We should reform It's what that message needs to be
delivered to my colleagues on this side of the aisle too.
We are writing checks we cannot cash and our children
are going to pay the price. So I am a
no on this bill unless serious reforms are made today, tomorrow, Sunday.
We're having conversations as we speak, but something needs to
change or you're not going to get my support.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
I yield back.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Okay, something did change, we didn't get it out. That
was a passionate speech by a Chip Roy Chip. We
got today, tomorrow and then Sunday night. What is going
to happen, sir, to basically get this spending right, not
to front load the spending and back end the cuts, sir.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Well, see, good morning.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
I mean we've been working work yesterday. I'm in my
office now continuing to work today and got some meetings
with the White House and others this afternoon. We're working
in good faith, trying to deliver. And look, I want
to be clear, there's a lot of progress made that
is reflected in the bill. Okay, let's be honest. There
are some very good things in the bill, but it
is such a big bill with so many complexities. I'm

(04:05):
trying to be honest about what I'm seeing, which is
that we see the front load of the tax policy
and the backload of the spending restraint. Now you know,
we're having debates about how to square that circle between
now and Sunday night, when the Budget Committee Chairman Jody
Arrington has called us back in to vote on this
supposedly Sunday night at ten o'clock. I still think we've

(04:27):
got a lot of work to do between now and then.
We're making progress on two key areas that would change
the extent to which it's backloaded, one of which, and
I know you've got some views on this, and I
think we share those views about how to get there.
But on medicate right, we want to make sure that
the people that are the hard working Americans, the working
class of Americans that need to be able to get access

(04:49):
to care, especially in a post Obamacare world where we
screwed up the entire system in the markets, that they
have access. But we also think there ought to be
work requirements that kick in immediately, because we think that's
important to get people back in the labor force, drive
up American workers. So we're not so relying on you.
All these people are trying to say that we've got
to import the Chamber of Commerce people. We don't want

(05:09):
to do that. So get people back to work, and
then if they're working, then be able to have the
benefits that they're getting under the program. That's critical. And
the way the bill was designed is the work requirements
didn't kick in until twenty twenty nine. Well that's ludicrous.
That's after the Trump administration. So we're trying to move
those up so that would frontload some of the savings.
More importantly, I think it would create economic growth by

(05:31):
getting people in the workforce. Second point is that we're
trying to deal with the Inflation Reduction Act. The President
campaigned on terminating it, ending it right out of the gate,
and the truth is, as we started peeling it back,
a lot of the projects are able to go, and
a lot of the funding to all of these Green
New Deal programs continue in perpetuity. There were four hundred

(05:51):
billion dollars worth of continued flows for all of the
Green New Deal projects that were put online. They weren't
even touched. And then there was areas where new projects
start if they got started in the next three or
four years. I said, guys, that's not termination. I understand
we have to make some grandfathered exceptions for investments and
stuff that are attached the grid, but we got to
terminate it. So we're working through that today and tomorrow. Now,

(06:14):
those are just two variables. There are many others that
we still have to work out between now and next week.
We all want tax relief, particularly for hardworking Americans and
small businesses. But I'm not going to get put over
the barrel because everybody's freaking out that we've got to
get deal with the taxes, especially at the top end
of the bracket and so forth, if we're not doing
what we need to do on the spending side. So

(06:35):
that's where we are a lot of conversations over the
next forty eight hours. I don't yet know how that's
going to unfold. We might be able to address those
two issues, but there's still a lot of issues next week,
still involving medicaid, the salt tax issue, overall tax policy,
and then a lot of little things that people are
still trying to work through.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
Arrington is a is a deficit hawk.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
It's one of the reasons people feel comfortable him stepping
in and taking budget. How did he not join this earlier,
particularly like twenty twenty nine with eight Look, we're all
for not messing with working class America's medicaid. They don't
want to be on medicaid there because all the good
jobsmen shipped overseas. But when you see the thing about
able body people, Hey, if it's eighty hours a month,

(07:19):
come on, man, you've got to be able to make that.
Why we have a situation even where you're bringing something
up that's in twenty twenty nine, who supports that?

Speaker 5 (07:28):
This is what's so manzing about this thing? Chip?

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, agreed, Steve, So just to a level set on Jody.
He's a very good friend, fellow Texan. I think he's
done a very good job trying to hold the Republican
Party's feet to the fire. Who have always campaigned on
tax cuts and spending cuts, tax cuts and balanced budgets,
but they've only delivered on tax cuts. Now, you and
I are both Hey, limited government lead money in the

(07:52):
pockets of the American people guides right. But we also
recognize we have massive deficits and depth that's killing the
bond markets, empowering a whole lot of people that we
don't want empower and constricting capital flow and slowing down
the economy, and it's hurting working class Americas. So we
need to get rid of the debt sord of amicles
hanging over our head, especially after the mood he's rating

(08:13):
downgrade yesterday to you know, it's crazy. So Jody has
done a good job. Like I'll let him speak for himself.
I think Jody felt as the chairman that they had
honored the construct of the framework we had created. I
disagreed because of the front loading backloading, and also to
me that was just a baseline for the conversation of

(08:33):
one and a half trillion of spending restraint with two
and a half trillion of assumed growth to then get
the tax policy. But I think he felt to honor
bound to move that forward. I'll let him speak to it.
He's a good man and we've been working together.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
I mean, he's a guy that's been he's a guy
that's been working on as definitely this you know, Scott
Besson and President Trump's plan was to go from six
and a half percent budget deficit to GDP down to
three and a half percent. We would never get to balance.
But let's we're unsustainable now. You can't sell this many
government securities. The bond market is going to blow up.
You got to get from six and a half to

(09:06):
three and a half. My issue here is that the
least what we're talking about now doesn't do that in
the first couple of years. Right, we're not bending the arc.
We're not heading down that path at least the way
my math works. Am I correct or incorrect on the
six and a half to three and a half?

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, you are correct. And look, here are some of
my concerns. Even if I get what I want by
tomorrow on moving medicaible requirements up in IRA, which would
improve the bill, we would still have significant concerns. And
here's some of them. The current ways and means cost
to this. Right, what we're doing with respect to all
of the tax policy, right at the outset, you're gonna

(09:46):
have another nine hundred billion dollars of interests. Okay, that's
not bactored into the CBO score nine hundred billion over
that time, which needs to be offset by some of
the spending restraints, in other words, getting the deficits down. Well,
we're going to it's.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Some of that.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
And if we move the MEDICI more comperments up and
do more on IRA, we'll do a pretty good job.
But there's still going to be more interest than we're
even calculating for. Then, Steve, if you add to that
if we're refinancing all of our interests at say four
or four and a half or five percent instead of
what currently CBO scores is three and a half percent.
Do the math on that. It's extraordinary. That's why Scott

(10:23):
Besson wants to get that down. He wants to get
raids down to be able to refinance the debt. He
wants the deficit as a percentage of GDP down, And
he's correct, And Scott's a good guy and he's he's
doing a great job at a lot of fronts. Yeah, but
we've got to deliver that spending restraint. And I think
the White House is doing a good job trying to
manage through this, but we need to do it. I
think we need to be more aggressive. To answer your question, No,

(10:46):
we are not on a path to get to three
or three and a half percent of GDP as our
deficit unless we do more in this bill.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
That's why it's got to be done now. You can't
kick the can down the road. We got to facial
You've got to get from six and a half to
three and a half and then you're still not at balance,
but at least you can finance this thing. A Chip,
you are going to be you are working with the
White House. We can report that that you are working
with the White House and work through these issues.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And as you all know, Russ
Bode is a great friend, and the great guys are there.
They're working with the President. We're having conversations yesterday back
and forth as you know on Air Force One as
they're coming back over from their trip overseas. We're fully engaged.
We want to deliver. How that's going to play out,
I'm not sure, but I have great faith in the

(11:32):
White House and in our team to figure this out. Look,
we have fin margins. We have to figure out how
to corryl two hundred and eighteen individual House members. I
know the American people are frustrated, the right to be frustrated.
We're constrained by the Senate sixty vote threshold, which we
ought to be addressing. We're constrained by you know, we
need to get for example, you know, recisions, get them

(11:53):
up and then start moving them. But those are all
things that I'm trusting the White House that are doing
a great job on so many fronts. We've got to
give them their but right now, this build it's in
front of us. We've got to work with them to deliver,
and I hope we can. There's still a lot of
variables left, and there's some other options we might be
able to deploy that I'm not going to get into
right now because I don't want to undermine what we're

(12:14):
all trying to do to work together. But we are
working together this weekend to try to figure it out.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
And right now ten pm Sunday night, Jody Arrington's called
for another Budget Committee vote.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
That's still on track.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Correct, Yeah, we are scheduled Jerkan being ten o'clock Sunday night.
But right now we still have no you know, changes
yet that would change anything. But those conversations are underway.
We made some progress yesterday. We'll talk today and then
we'll see tomorrow what they want to put forward as
their proposals for the changes, to see if to see
if we get over this next step again. There would

(12:47):
then be another step next week, which is what we
put together in the Rules Committee, whatever manager's packages put
into amended because it need to be amended for a
very variety of things, and then whatever deal is struck
on SAT salt and additional Medicaid fixes for that whole
issue where the able body gets seven times more coverage
than the than those people who are the vulnerable and

(13:09):
sick population. So we've got a lot. We still got
to a drive.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
Trip.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Chip You're putting up stuff on social media all the time.
Where do they go to follow you?

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, chip Roy C H I P R O Y
t X. That's my personal Twitter rep. Chip Roy is
my official account, Roy dot House dot gov. Appreciate it, Steve.
Thanks for what you doing, the balance that you're providing
about our need for physcal discipline, our need for appropriate
tax relief, all in total totality, managing medicaid the right

(13:39):
way to make sure people aren't left behind, but still
fixing the healthcare system and delivering on the Medicaid reform
we need to deliver on. I think is the right
the right spot. So we're trying to work on it.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Well, we got russ vote, you got the UH, you
got the guys over at you got Hassett over at
an EC, you got Navari, got great people at the
White House. Prison's got a great team over there. You're
at the tip of the spear on this over in
the House, and let's work through the weekend.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
Get this thing done.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Thanks.

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Speaker 3 (15:51):
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what he's talking about, sir.

Speaker 7 (15:59):
Yes, sir, chip Chip is an American hero, along with
four or five of the other guys on that budget committee.
I was on that committee, and that's a tough sledding
when the leadership comes down on your head.

Speaker 8 (16:10):
But what he said is right. It's very pro us.

Speaker 7 (16:12):
The Democrats are lying straight up by every time they
move their lips right, all political views of my own always,
but they're just you know, they're saying we're briffing people
away from their healthcare and all that's false. But the
Republican side also, we're trying to execute the Trump agenda,
and the leadership is saying where you're executing the Trump agenda?
And the list of five or six things that are great,

(16:34):
but at the end of that story, we are left
with two trillion dollar deficits minimum moving forward. And so
let me show you we're supposed to be getting rid
of the deep state. Like you just went off on
the rant right that, we just saw what the consequences
of that deep state are in the last segment, and
that was incredible. Now let me show you the flip
side on the economics side, Denver, if you got the

(16:54):
first chart, this is all kind of with Moody's in
mind and of integrated Moody's comments on this, but we're
not talking details here right when it comes to the bay,
I'm just.

Speaker 8 (17:04):
Giving you the big layouts.

Speaker 7 (17:06):
This is interest payments for the United States of America
the budget process over the past thirty years, and you
see at the very far right they go up to
one point two trillion dollars. According to Moodies, federal interest
payments will absorb around thirty percent of revenues by twenty
thirty five.

Speaker 8 (17:24):
Right, let me read that again.

Speaker 7 (17:26):
Federal interest payments alone will absorb around thirty percent of
tax revenues all revenues coming in by twenty thirty five.
You cannot execute President Trump's agenda. With that being the case,
Next chart, Denver, interest payments is the fastest growing component
except Moodies again integrated in. I'm gonna get to them

(17:47):
in a second, few comments on them. Expect federal deficits
to widen, reaching nine percent of GDP by twenty thirty five. Right,
so Steve's been saying every five second, right, we're trying
to get from six percent down to three percent.

Speaker 8 (18:03):
What does Moody say in their report? We expect federal.

Speaker 7 (18:06):
Deficits to get bigger, reaching nine percent of GDP, not three,
going from nine from six right now, And as you
see at the bottom, the fastest growing component of our
budget our interest payments as well. I'm going to post
all these frad economics on X and getter. Next chart, Denver.

(18:27):
Here we have spending now fifty one percent higher than
in twenty nineteen. Look at that chart, the second to
last red bars twenty nineteen. Look at the far right
spending spending spending. No one wants to talk about this
because this is the hard part. You won't be a
popular kid, you won't get invited to the wine and

(18:47):
cheese circuit. Up in DC spending is now fifty one
percent higher than in twenty nineteen. Why, according to Carville
and the Democrats and all the deep staters, never let
a conspiracy go to waste.

Speaker 8 (19:01):
COVID came in.

Speaker 7 (19:03):
Ratcheted things up, and we never ratcheted down. Here's what
leadership looks like. I mentioned sixty years ago yesterday on
the show. Next chart, Denver, here's after World War two. Right,
spending goes up through the roof for very good reasons,
to defeat Hitler and the Nazis and the fascists, the
true fastest who combined big government with big business.

Speaker 8 (19:24):
And look what.

Speaker 7 (19:25):
Leadership did back then under Truman and then Eisenhower, and
then you know, the new Deal in Great Society kicked
in and spending starts going up. But that's leadership. They
didn't keep the spending when they could have it went down.
That's what we need to do right now. Moody's timing
next chart. I think people know we mentioned that yesterday

(19:46):
on the show. Moody's didn't do the downgrade after the
seven eight financial crisis. Instead, I could cover this more.
They had to do a big payout for ethics violations.
But that blue line below the blue line at the
bottom is the seven o eight stock market reality, which
is fairly dismal. And then above it is the the

(20:07):
the current state of affairs, and they do a downgrade
then and so last here's for Steve to get Steve's
blood pressure up. Last chart, what's the result. This is
from yesterday after the Moody's result. Long end treasuries up
five basis points. This is a little bit of chart
abuse by the person who made it. But they're going up.

(20:27):
They're not going down. And that's a message for Congress.
And thanks to my friends Dave Ramaswami and boy and
the Trakia for some great charge.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
The tenure treasures. That bet is what four roughly four
and a half close to it. You's got to watch
that if you can't go And what you hope is
don't have the inflation. Biden left us to get even worse.
And President Trump's doing everything on the supply chain. Dave,
we got to bounce. Where do people get these charts
over the weekend. We'll get you back on Monday, because
I'm sure this is gonna be explosive over the weekend, folks.

Speaker 8 (20:56):
I'm gonna be up on social media day and the realities.

Speaker 6 (20:59):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (21:00):
The realities I just put up are not going away.
That's why I want them in the heads of the
war room. Brad Economics, Son Getter and on X Today.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Okay, in June fifteenth, less than thirty days from today,
will be the tenth anniversary of President Trump coming down
the Golden escalator. Everybody remembers that that was ten years ago. Awesome, Okay,
I say this is the preamble for the Trump revolution
that we're hitting now of all these major you know,
converging crisis and dealing with it. But what Dave Brad's
saying that would buy in a flash, right, what Dave

(21:29):
Brad's saying ten years from now on this current trajectory,
one third of all tax.

Speaker 5 (21:34):
Revenues just goes to pay the interest.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Not a penny of debt, not no weapons, no schools,
no health care, nothing, a third. In a flash of
an eye, a third of all proceeds are going to
pay for the interest, folks.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
Dave Bratt social media one more time? Where do you go?

Speaker 7 (21:51):
Yeah, Brad Economics, on Getter and on X. And all
you need to do is keep a few of these
facts in mind. It doesn't take many the four or
five facts I gave you. Those are not going away.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
They're not going away. Go read the charts now. We'll
be up all weekend on social media. Thank you, sir,
appreciate you great. Let's go to Saint Peter's Square tomorrow.
The Pope has his mask that basically he's been the
pope since the moment the conclavet set up, but tomorrow's
kind of the official investiture. Ben Harnwell, your thoughts are
where we stand with Leo the fourteenth.

Speaker 9 (22:22):
Well, morning, Steve, we stand in great difficulty right here,
the piazza behind me, see the Vatican over my shoulder.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
That's where it kicks off.

Speaker 9 (22:31):
At ten am tomorrow, Pope Leo the fourteenth will start
the ceremony down by the tomb of Saint Peter, Prince
of the Apostles, praying for guidance support as he begins
his ministry.

Speaker 6 (22:44):
And then in the.

Speaker 9 (22:45):
Mass itself there will be the two key moments where
the pallium is imposed, and that's like the white sort
like a scarf thing of lambswall that goes over over
the neck and goes down.

Speaker 6 (22:55):
And then he'll get the fisherman's ring as well.

Speaker 9 (22:58):
But the secular press call this an investiture mass or
an inauguration mass.

Speaker 6 (23:03):
It's really nither. It's the mass.

Speaker 9 (23:06):
So that marks the start of the petrine ministry, that
the Pope is the pope to all to the full
authority of his office from the moment he said I
accept in the conclaict. This is basically just a ceremony.
But in terms of power, Steve, in terms of secular power,
this I think is when the world, or at least

(23:28):
the world's Catholics believe. Okay, so now so now he's
the pope. There were about two hundred and fifty thousand
people expected to the right in the Patza and the
Via de la Concilia going down to the river here.

Speaker 6 (23:41):
And you know, ask me, well, you know what is
that harmful?

Speaker 4 (23:44):
Is?

Speaker 6 (23:44):
And a lot of people is a lot of people
hasn't compared to the past.

Speaker 9 (23:47):
Well, I just simply flag up this that for Benedict
the sixteenth in twenty twenty five, when he was elected,
they had three hundred and fifty thousands of people.

Speaker 6 (24:01):
So you're going to say, to be able, what's the difference.

Speaker 9 (24:02):
There's one hundred thousands more people twenty years ago.

Speaker 6 (24:05):
Now what conclusions do.

Speaker 9 (24:06):
You draw from that, and I'll tell you that the
turnouts for these things, Steve, is a barometer on the
state of the health that the help the state of
the health of the church. And that's because after was
it twenty eight years or something of John Paul the church,
for all his thoughts, and he had a number of them,
we saw many of them come to fruition and under

(24:27):
the papacy of.

Speaker 6 (24:30):
A Francists. But for all his thoughts, the church was
engaged and vibrant.

Speaker 9 (24:35):
So when the so when Benedict was elected, there were
so many people. Now after twelve years of bitterness, division
and many faithful packets getting kicked in the face, there's
a great sense of of disillusionment.

Speaker 6 (24:52):
The palpable sentiment right here.

Speaker 9 (24:54):
Perhaps off finishes after the break, Steve, because I've got
a few points to make for the palpable sentiment I
right now in the character behind me is one of relief.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
What about what about we get about a minute, a
little over a minute.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
I want you to say, what about the traditional Catholics,
all the fights we had with Brigolio, soinality, the kind
of pagan worship they were bringing in. Where do we
stand with all that?

Speaker 6 (25:20):
See.

Speaker 9 (25:20):
Well, there was a great article yesterday's Vanity Fair. I
think you and posso we'll we covered generously in that article.

Speaker 6 (25:28):
The key takeaway of that.

Speaker 9 (25:30):
And I will deep dig down on this after the break,
is this pivot that so called traditional Catholics made within
twenty four hours of Leo's election. First, they're extremely preoccupied.
Now they're embracing it, and there's a reason for that,
and the war and Posse need to know what that
reason is. And that's because it's all about the grift, Steve,

(25:52):
that's going on in this huge apparatus that's around the
Catholic Church.

Speaker 6 (25:57):
It's all about the grift. But i'll dig into that if.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
I may just off, I think you see now that
one of the reasons I say he's going to be selected.
The New York Times got a great piece this morning
talks about kind of the process of him entering the priesthood, Peru,
all of it. But he was selected by It's very
clear by the New York Times he was selected by Burgolio.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
Bergolio saw him a couple of.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Years ago and didn't agree with everything that he had
to say, but saw him as a comrade in arms
in taking Ford Bergolio's program. That's why he's been a
cardinal less than two years. And I will tell you
the possibility that someone has been a cardinal less than
two years that was not very well known to the
American cardinals. In fact, they continue to say he's the

(26:41):
least American of all and none of them really knew.
The guy not that well known throughout the world, although
he did work in the Dicastre to pick the archbishops
to be selected on the third ballot. No, I'm not
buying it, just like it didn't buy the twenty twenty
election short break. Ben Harnwell Next, Okay, Ben Harnwell joins us. Ben,

(27:05):
you're talking about the Grift and the triads. I don't
normally associate those two. But what's happening here.

Speaker 9 (27:14):
Well, Vanity Fair, Steve did a great favor, great courtesy
to traditional Catholicism, to true traditional Catholics by publishing this
article yesterday. Then if you put the thing up again,
as I'm talking, and I'm going to link to this
obviously on Rumble, everyone needs to see this.

Speaker 6 (27:29):
This is Vanity Fair saying this. Okay, it's not Harnroll.

Speaker 9 (27:32):
Basically, the thesis is and it's absolutely true. Within twenty
four hours of Leo's election cardinal election, all the Triads
came out saying, oh no, this is terrible, it's catastrophic
for our cause. And then they've pivoted within twenty four hours,
and Vanity Fair does chapter in why is this taking place? Well,
it's because of this phenomenon that I like to call

(27:54):
for traditional Catholic ink.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
Okay, these are the grifters. You can see them here.

Speaker 9 (27:59):
You can the people that have been taking down their tweets,
closing down.

Speaker 6 (28:03):
There their YouTube film for this.

Speaker 9 (28:05):
These are the people war impossibly, don't go anywhere near them.
They're not telling you the truth. You mentioned Steve, the
New York Times article this morning. I'm going to link
to that as well. It does indicate that that bed God,
you stitch the whole thing up. If you don't believe me,
go down to the section of this article article called
the Vatican fast Track.

Speaker 6 (28:25):
It lays it all out.

Speaker 9 (28:27):
But God, you asked one of his colleagues, if I
named Prevost's head of the office the.

Speaker 6 (28:31):
Bishops, how do you think he will do? And the
priests response, I think he'll do very well, Franti said,
I think you'll do very well too. This was the plot.
So you've got to ask yourself.

Speaker 9 (28:41):
If Bedgolia were so gung home in getting this guy
in this pope, why are all the traditions so called
traditionalist Catholics. Why are half of them going and and
and pushing Leo saying, let's give the guy a chance.
He wore the red mozzetta on the balcony, surely he's
going to be a traditional point is Stephen.

Speaker 6 (29:01):
I wish I had more time to build on this.

Speaker 9 (29:03):
I lay it out now, I'll go into it in
more detail on another occasion. The truth is this, for
Catholic organizations and the twelve years of Bedgolia, the donations
went down through the floor. So all of these organizations,
all these to have the red Catholic in them, run
for your lives.

Speaker 6 (29:19):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (29:20):
All they could do if they were on the conservative
side of the spectrum was weekly go through the emotions
performatively opposing Bedgolia. Now that they've got someone in who's
rather more subtle that they've realized within twenty fives, hang on,
we're doing ourselves in justice here. We've got to tell
our gullible benefactors and donors that this guy is our

(29:41):
new hope. We've got to get that money coming back in. So, folks,
you're going to see division in maga. Vanity Fair pointed
this out. They're absolutely right. You're going to see a division.

Speaker 6 (29:50):
In Catholic maga between the grifters.

Speaker 9 (29:53):
And I have to say this, theve this war with
the Woom transmission has been constant from the get. We've
told the truth. We said there was no morning for Francis.
We warned about this is how this.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Is also ten This is also ten days before the conclave.
How I picked Prevost because I could see what the
fix was in. They were going to get some Ideologically
they had a guy that nobody really knew ideologically tied
to Brigolia. Plus he was American enough that the big
donors would feel like, oh, I can get access and
get a people blessing and all the things big donors want.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
They get the American money again.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
It was only the dramatic drop in American cash that
put the fear of God and these people right, because
they knew that the liquidity problem the Vatican has. So
we'll cover it Tomorrow's the Mass and then we'll have
you back on Monday and go through more of this
in depth of one percent correct, and nothing's changed in fact,
Brigolia and these guys, the radicals got exactly the perfect

(30:50):
Manchurian candidate, as we say, and we ain't changing one bit.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
Ben Harnwell, where do people go to follow you?

Speaker 3 (30:59):
And particularly all the insights you're putting up in all
the stories you're gonna be putting up from the media
about this entire situation.

Speaker 9 (31:07):
Steve, I'm exclusively on getting my social media platform of
choice just top in at horn Roll and now I
am in my analysis.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Thanks Steve Gobless, Thank you very much, appreciate you. You know,
the other day I was misinformed. I thought the great
Patrick Wood had actually had his demise.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
We did not.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
He had gotten ill. But turns out he turned it around.
Patrick Wood joins us, Patrick. The reason you were back
in the discussion is everything that you've taught us about technocracy,
and particularly one of the guys that took that radical
idea from the nineteen thirties when it was developed under
FDR and with these technocrats and really kind of drove
it forward. That was doctor Brazinski. This new book out

(31:50):
with Ed Luce, talk to us about it. Talk to
us about technocracy. Well, first off, how you doing. Everybody
welcomes you.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
Back, and.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Once ensure I was actually shocked with somebody said, I
think it was Joe Allen said, hey, Patrick's alive, and well,
so how are you doing.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
I'm really doing good, Steve.

Speaker 10 (32:14):
We have a lot of followers in common, you know,
and I got immediately, I got texts telling me that
I was dead.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
You know, Well, I think I'm still here, but I did.

Speaker 10 (32:32):
I did have a stroke two years ago, and I
had a heart attack as well, and I came through
that and I'm glad to be here. Certainly it was
a miracle. Even the doctor said they did not expect
me to recover at all.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
That here I am.

Speaker 10 (32:47):
So I'm still in the game, and I'm on the
trail of technocracy and transhumanism, and I'll probably be that
way until I do die.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
So here you go.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
The developments that have happened in particularly this new biography
of Brasising. Talk to me about technocracy in transhumanism. Where
do you think we stand right now? AI is moving
down a path which is only one part of transhumanism,
but much more rapidly.

Speaker 5 (33:15):
I think people anticipated sir.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
It really is. By the time that Trump is out
of office.

Speaker 10 (33:22):
By the way, probably the power of AI, the capability
of AI is going to increase probably ten thousand to
fifteen thousand times where it is right now. This is
the trajectory that AI is on right now. So we
probably are very very close to AGI, that's general intelligence.

(33:46):
And you know, at this point all bets are off
really hardly anybody understands what AI is capable of doing.
It's sweeping the federal government at this point. That's very
disturbing to me. But this is AI is the pinnacle
of weapon development. For technocrats are all around the world

(34:10):
and they're using it.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
With great efficiently at this point.

Speaker 10 (34:14):
And so you see people like Sam Altman, for instance,
getting rid of the safety teams and stuff. This is
happening all over the industry because they're all racing forward
to get the big prize.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
How dangerous is Like I keep telling people, there's more regulation.
If you want to open a nail salon on Capitol
Hill Hill or a hair braiding salon, you have to
go through more regulations than Altman and Musk and these
other folks.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
For AI. What's your assessment of that.

Speaker 10 (34:51):
There's been a concerted effort over the years to relax
or remove regulations for this whole sector of AI, but
not just them in particular.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
But you know others as well.

Speaker 10 (35:07):
But it's when AI at this point can escape scrutiny
from the Congress and other state legislators around the country,
you know something as bad it's going to happen because
we need this political insight.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
We also see this technocrat class.

Speaker 10 (35:28):
They're anti politician at all in the first place, because
we saw this.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
Like in the nineteen.

Speaker 10 (35:37):
Thirties where the technocrats that they hated politicians, and we
see this sentiment today.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
And so you know, the.

Speaker 10 (35:48):
Congress is being kind of neutered right now over this
issue of are we going to let them go or not?

Speaker 4 (35:56):
And we'll see. I think it's very dangerous personally.

Speaker 5 (36:01):
What's your recommendation.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
What do you think You're saying that in the march
to AGI it's going to be ten thousand to fifteen
thousand times more powerful. That means it's going to be
an overwhelming force in the next couple of years. Do
you think society is ready for that? Is this constitutional
republic ready for that? Are the citizens of the United
States MAGA or the deplorables ready for that.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
They're not. They have no clue.

Speaker 10 (36:26):
But by and large they have no clue but conservative
estimates at this point that AI is like doubling in
its prowess. Every four months or so, you just double that,
and you know, well, and four months will be double
from now, then eight another four months after that it's

(36:51):
going to go to eight and so on. Well, this
doubling process, it catches up with you at some point,
and you're right, it's going to be overwhelming for most
people to understand what's going on. For some people it's
going to appear like magic, honestly, but they won't have
no way will they understand it all. But our legislators

(37:14):
at this point are really clueless what's going on. And
you know the people that have that have trusted, for instance,
Elon Musk with his doge effort.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
Well, AI is all of a sudden in the picture.

Speaker 10 (37:29):
Whether you like it or not, it's going to be
set in place in stone in our government operation top
to bottom.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
And who's the watchdog. There isn't any at this point.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
Who watches the watchman.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
I think I may have my numbers wrong, by I
think I'm closed Microsoft. Is it three percent of the workforce?
They're talking about laying off three percent of the workforce,
down thirty percent anyway, Microsoft's having a big layoff. Thirty
percent of the layoffs are because directly, and this is
my whole thing about H one B visas now that
we've got to get up on HB one visas, because

(38:06):
it's quite evident AI, as we've predicted, is going to
cut through at least the entry level coding jobs very rapidly.
Your thoughts, are we prepared at all for the restructuring
of basically the economy, particularly the tech economy, around fewer
individuals and more AI.

Speaker 10 (38:24):
Sir, No, there's no way that we can be prepared
because it's coming. And how do you prepare for something
that you can't change? Mark Andreesen, he is one of
the guys, one of the tech bros that helped Trump
select a lot of these technocrafts that came into the administration.

(38:45):
Mark Andreeson just a few weeks ago. Unbelievably, he's supposed
to be a MAGA guy, right at least he's pretending
to be. He said that wages are going to crash
because of AI. What does that mean for the for
the American people, wages are going to crash because of AI.

(39:07):
That's pretty serious stuff. Well, this is exactly what's going
to happen Salesforce, for instance, Giant Company, they just recently
said we're not going to hire any more people because
AI is taking the slack, so we don't need any
more programmers at that point. And well, you see the
handwriting is on the wall. This whole business with robotics

(39:30):
right now. This is another issue that we have to
confront because robots are coming to a town square near
you at this point, and it's going to be overwhelming
when people see these robots walking around with the brain
and there they're intermint mingling with people telling people whatever,

(39:52):
you know, have a nice day.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Microsoft actually said thirty percent of their code as of
now is written by AI. Patrick, Welcome back, Lazarus. And
where do people go social media and website to get
all your books and writings?

Speaker 10 (40:07):
You bet Technocracy dot News. That's Technocracy News and Trends
where I do have the news and also I predict
trends as well. That's my main function at this point.
And I'm on Twitter as well. At top Stop Technocracy
and people are welcome to go and interact and get

(40:28):
with with a stream of information that I'm putting out
on technocracy.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
Well, this is my life's point. Steve. You know that
you've been on this five years now.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
You're one of my mentors. You know this from the
beginning to the end and into the future. Patrick Woods,
a great American, a great patriot. Thank you, sir, honored
your und your demise was overstated in your back.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
Better than ever, sir.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Here's your Stephen k.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
We had George Simeon on the last night for his
last appearance before the quiet day in Romania, which I
say they came't campaign today.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
Voting starts to more seven A. M.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Scarlett Karaliva, a top young independent journalist, is there on
the ground of Romania, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
Why is this election so important.

Speaker 11 (41:20):
Tomorrow at the future of Romania will be decided Because
there's one thing that's very clear that I've observed here.
People are fed up with the current system. They want
to have changed. And to explain to you why these
elections are so important, I will need to give you
a little bit of the background information which I haven't
heard in any other analysis. Is for example that after

(41:42):
the fall of communism in nineteen eighty nine when Joe
Chesku was murdered, Romania never actually became soffeign. What happened
is that the second layer of the of the Communist
Party took over and they took over everything, all of
the minerals, because Romania is incredibly credibly rich into of minerals,
oil gas, and want to back it in a nice way.

(42:05):
They now are part of NATO and of the European Union,
so you got, you know, the bureaucracy of Brussels on
top of that as well. And at the same time
Romania is still being governed by those communists. They're still
not sovereign. Their economy is incredibly bad. Actually they paid
in three months time twelve point five million late. It's
two point five billion euros just on the interests of

(42:29):
the death that they have. And there's a massive brain
drain that they had as a result of entering European Union.
My age, you don't see them around here. The young
people have left. You only see old people and you
see children. And this is also reflected for example India Sporta.
The people outside of Romania that voted, they voted for
George Simeon, because they want to come back home, they

(42:50):
want to rebuild their country. They've seen that in Europe
there's no future. They want to come back home and
rebuild Romania. So this is why the elections are important
for the Romanians. This is their moment to get their
country back and to actually become sulfering. And the second
reason why these elections are so important is because it's
not just irrelevant for remaining.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
But also for the rest of Europe.

Speaker 11 (43:12):
George Semen has done an incredible campaign going through the
different crowns in Europe. He met with Georgia Maloney, he's
meeting with hopefully the next future president of Poland, Navrovski.
And imagine what that we'll do in Brussels when there's
like a strong conservative blog that can actually counterbalance the
euro Federalists like under Lion that we're dealing with, that

(43:35):
we can make a change, that we can make europgrade again,
and then we can go back to a nation that
has Christianity at the heart of it, that puts family first,
that puts God first, and with that we don't make
just zero grade, but we can make the West grade again.

Speaker 5 (43:50):
Scarlett, where do people go.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
We'll have you on Monday, but we're going to be
following this on social media. Markw where do people go
to follow you on social media while you're there, because
we know you're very close to the inner circle of
this populist, nationalist sovereigntist campaign.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
So where do people go?

Speaker 11 (44:07):
Yeah, quickly to brief on why I'm here is to
really make sure that the elections are happening in a
fair way. We need to keep in mind that only
the people of Romania should go to the ballot and
decide who's actually going to be their leader. Just a
little quick example, and then I'll move on. Yesterday in
Muldova the people could go and vote as well as.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Because Scarlett, we're really jammed for time, but I just
need your social media. Will follow you on social media
because we're really backed up with a couple of things
with social media.

Speaker 11 (44:36):
You can follow me on Klevan.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
Thank you very much, look forward to following you, ma'am.
Great summary.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Of course, they're going to try to steal it, paper
ballots and all one day voting. That's where we've got
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