THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON, MAY 29TH, 2025 (EP.#4522)

THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON

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JOSH HAMMER

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It alone.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
It's it's the end of the American relationship with Israel.
It's just the end of it. You can't because we're
so tired of them. We're gonna because it's not just
blowing the nuclear thing. First off, we haven't done anything
really on putting economic pressure on them.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
The President's got a whole tool boxing us.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
President Trump is adamant about this, and listen, he's trying
to he's trying to make sure. What he's trying to
do is make sure we don't exacerbate the Third World
War right now, the kinetic Park, all the way from
Kurse through Kiev, that whole arc of instability.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
The President is on his shoulders.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
He's got wick Off his lead negotiator, but he's got
a lot of people working on this.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's just and Christy noam.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
She didn't go over there to talk about the two
young people who were assassinated. As horrible as that was
it was, she didn't need to go there. She went
over to deliver a message, and that message is pretty
blunt to BB and bbe's got to learn how to
read the room because there's just no support of that whatsoever.
The polling is is horrible an under thirty five. It's

(01:01):
one hundred to zero. So I and we haven't put
any economic pressure on them. They're still shipping out two
million barrels a day to the Chinese Commists party through
the Straits or horror moves. Let's take one of the
carry battle groups in the Red Sea and put it
right there and say, hey, we're going to fully stop
we President Trump had them to their knees economically.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
This is this is Steve Venn's economic pressure.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Put a couple of carrier battle groups, put some carecraft
carriers and some support us.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
You never know hold it.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
I tell my word to Levin is, hey, you never
know what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
You do it. You do a full and you know,
do a full naval blockade on their oil. You never
know where that's going to play out.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Right, we have Look, the mole is one hundred percent
agree with Mark and the other guys.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
You know, we have Rabbi Wilecki on here.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Uh so many of the guys closer in Israel that
you can't have a verification program the part of the
what we call and those guys are talking about because
these moves are crazy, they're also totally dishonest and their
policy is against the United States. You have to have
a program, I think, to take it apart brick by brick.
But President Trump gets briefed on this every day. He's

(02:12):
got a guy that's so close to him in Witkoff
leaning the negotiations right overall. I think you got to
let him play his handout. And he's also been adamant.
This is not something he is kind of playing hide
the football. He's up front. I want other alternatives and
diplomatic and economic solutions to take care of the situation.

(02:34):
I do not want the kinetic war that's already in Gaza,
that's already in Kiev, that's now in Kursk, in Russian territory,
all the way down to the tip of the Arabian Peninsula,
with the houties in the Red Sea in Kashmir, that
whole arc of instability.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
You let a match, that whole thing can go up.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
And you got guys with nuclear weapons all over the
place there. This thing could get as ugly as you
possibly can. And Trump is trying to be the peacemaker.
You gotta let play his hand and have bbe saying here,
we're going to go it alone. You can't go it alone.
We know that we're your biggest sponsors.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Not really.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Look the American people football.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
You can see the winking when he said we're going
to go it alone, Like we know what's what?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Israel going alone?

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Is this US supporting him, just not officially supporting him.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
This is my point, I think American public opinion.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
I mean, Charlie Kirk just just put a pole up
with a couple hundred thousand people on it.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
And Charlie's a defender of Israel.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I think he put a poll up about Israel going alone,
what would happen? I think twenty seven percent of the
respondents saying we would continue to have the support and
monetary support. Another I think fifteen percent said support but
no money.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
And then I don't know what's the delta.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Sixty seven percent or fifty seven sixty percent? Sixty five
percent said cut off everything.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Fifty eight, Yeah, cut him off, cut him off.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
At fifty eight.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
I mean, come on, that's no Look we are we're
we're weary, we're done supporting for it. I just I mean,
you know clandestine operations, you know how this stuff works.
We have to tell everyone who we're supporting.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Everywhere.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
I hold it, but hold it, hold it, hold but
hang on, hang on. But you're talking about something totally
different there. I'm talking about a military invasion, either backed
by the United States with our support and or issue
does a loan or an air raid, air bombing campaign,
which they said, hey, they're they're on their back foot.
Now that versus economic warfare, paramilitary espionage was a Stuttnex,

(04:32):
all those types of things. That's a different that's a
different deal. But I think a direct military involvement. The
nation is tired. The nation has spent twenty years in
Iraq and Afghanistan and you know, nine trillion dollars, ten
thousand kias, fifty thousand wounded.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
It's just not going to do it. There's just no
support of that.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
In fact, there's anti support the in the polling on Israel,
and I know from our audience, which are and used
to be huge supporters visual that supports dramatically dropped.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
You just got to take that into the calculation.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
And I think President Trump is and President Trump is
not quiet about this, He's adamant about this. BB had
two shots in the Oval office. He came with the
first time. If Trump wanted to talk BB wanted to
talk a assault into into Persia. Trump wanted to talk
about Trump Gaza, right, we're making it a beachfront property.
And he remember, dropped that bomb on bb BB sitting

(05:28):
there with the big eyes, and he goes in the
east room and Trump's holding a holding a press conference
about the new condos. And then the second time bb
came over, remember four weeks later, to talk about the tariffs,
that was also to talk about the bombing. President Trump
dropped dropped the bomb on him in the room that hey.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
We're directly negotiating.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
We the United States of America are directly negotiating with
the Persians, and we're doing it in Oman and we're
gonna shift and do it in the Vatican. That you've
got to read the room. The President United States Israel
has never had a bigger defender of Israel than Donald
John Trump.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
They just haven't. And he's pretty adamant about this.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
And I think they ought to take some thing and say, hey, look,
you know we're all in for you.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
We'll take your guidance on this. And now you're not
saying that.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I would argue that Mike Waltz is not the National
Security not the head of not NSA, not the National
Security Advisor, about this very topic.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Brother, Yeah, no, I agree with you. I agree with
mag I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
I just I know there's no way to trust whoever
we're dealing with, whoever the persons who are dealing with,
whoever we're negotiating with in the Middle East, that none
of them can be trusted, including the Iranians. And at
some point it worked in the antem Israel took care
of business and it bought him forty more years of

(06:45):
no nuclear proliferation out of our end your show.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Sorry, we hang on.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
I'm gonna get some I'm gonna get the rumor hang on,
I'm gonna get the rumor mill going here. Because we
know a lot of liberal journalists and producers on MSNBC
watched the show. You know Howard Lutnek. I don't know
if Howard over Commerce is hearing the footsteps, but you
never know, it could be Eric Bowling, new Secretary of Commerce,
Eric Bowling that tip to you, sir, I.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Have the coveted. Tell me I got I got the
covet at four o'clock. I got the covet at four o'clock.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Where's Rob sig, I got to look at this deal, right,
I got the coveted. I got the coveted at four
o'clock pre pre war room lead.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Up right, that's it.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
I got the coveted five minutes with Bannon every four
fifty four fifty five.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
That's it. That's it. I want to give that up.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Thank you, brother, any great talking with you. Thank you,
Sir Eric Bowling. True story, call him up. I said,
fter five, get over here, and he got over there.
We're rights and I talking about being Secretary of Commerce
and he turned us down.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
A little note story. Let's go. We've got Josh Hammer
a lot going on today. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
We got a cold open. Maybe I'll actually asked Josh
about the entire situation in the Middle East. But he's
here to give us some legal opinions, observation, score and
play the cold open.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
The US Appeals Court has reinstated Donald Trump's tariffs.

Speaker 6 (08:07):
During the appeals.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
Process, so the International Court of Trade, which is a
federal court by the way, said no, you don't have
the authority to do this, wiping out a lot of
those tariffs. Well, now, Donald Trump appealed it, and the
appeals court says yes, you do have that authority at
least for now.

Speaker 7 (08:24):
This is exactly what the White House wanted, what they
said this morning they were going to do. They were
going to go to this DC Appeals Court and they
would say, look, we want you to stay the International
Trade Court decision for now while this moves forward. And
the White House had said they would appeal directly to
Supreme Court if they didn't hear from the appeals court.
Now they have heard from a DC appeals court pausing
any tariffs, any tariff changes while the case is litigated.

(08:46):
What I think is interesting is you've got another deadline here.
July ninth. That's when those original I put it in
air quotes, reciprocal tariffs, when the President stood there in
the Rose Guard with that big chart with all those
numbers that he was going to charge people, and he
paused some of those, then some went back on. But
July ninth is when there's supposed to be some clarity
that those are typical tariffs.

Speaker 6 (09:06):
That's what the.

Speaker 7 (09:07):
International Trade Court said he did not have the authority
to impose. Now this DC Appeals Court saying okay, we're
going to pause that International Trade Court decision until this
litigates goes through the appeals process. So we're back to
where we were a day and a half ago. And
this is part and parcel, Katie of the frustration for
businesses and importers, because it just means there's still is

(09:31):
indecision overall about what happens next and what rates tariffs
will be for these different countries in the days and
weeks ahead.

Speaker 8 (09:39):
There's so much uncertainty in how the terriffs will be
rolled out. I mean, even as I was coming up
the elevator to the studio, the news broke that the
court's decision last night had been halted today and the
terraffs would remain in effect. So I don't reel or
that he did. You know, as the case moved forward,
the lower course position would not. So I think that

(10:01):
there's an enormous amount of uncertainty in the economy, and
the two choices that Robert laid out, I think it's
worth fast, it's worth looking at what qualifies as a
victory these days. So you know, let's say that the Trumps,
that Trump's orders are halted, that he's not able to
enact the terrorists as he would like.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
That would be because.

Speaker 8 (10:21):
Courts had stopped him, and then you have the likes
of Stephen Miller saying this is a judicial coup. I mean,
the idea that that would be a victory is pretty striking.
That you don't accept the balance of powers as written
in the Constitution, but you branded as a coup. And
then what further action does that kind of rhetoric enable.
So I think we're dealing with enormous amounts of uncertainty
still in the economy, real questions about how this policy

(10:45):
might play out in practice. But then we have come
to learn over the course of Trump's two terms now
that rhetoric matters, you know. So I don't really see this.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
As a real victory here.

Speaker 8 (10:58):
They're too bad options.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Pray for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on
these people. You're not going to free shot all these
networks lying about the people.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
The people have had a belly full of it. I
know you don't like hearing that. I know you've tried
to do everything in the world to stop that, but
you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
And where do people like that go to share the
big line, Mega media. I wish in my soul, I
wish that any.

Speaker 6 (11:30):
Of these people had a conscience.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

Speaker 2 (11:37):
If that answer is to save my country, this country
will be saved.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
Worry.

Speaker 6 (11:44):
Use your host, Stephen K.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Mas Thursday, twenty nine May year for Lower twenty twenty five.
Josh Hammer, the Great Josh Hammer. So, Josh, I got
a lot of things to talk to you about. We've
got three minutes in this block. Make this make sense.
What's going on, sir?

Speaker 9 (12:01):
Well?

Speaker 6 (12:02):
The International Corps of Trade dramatically oversteps Steve, and the
US Federal Circuit has put a pause on it. It's
just a procedural pause. They're going to let both sides
file file their legal arguments to let it play out.
Here we're dealing here are the nineteen seventy seven Jimmy
Carter era statue known as the International Emergency or Economic
Emergency Powers Act. Now, the real question in this in

(12:24):
this litigation, again, what happened today is all just procedural stuff.
The Federal Circuit basically saying, Okay, you guys overstepped there.
The actual question is really more one of who decides
because the relevant underlying statute says that when there is
a foreign economic commercial emergency that the president United States
can do xyz things. So the question, Steve really is

(12:44):
do the political branches get to decide what is an
economic emergency? Or do these unelected judges in the just
uary gets to decide what is an emergency?

Speaker 2 (12:52):
And when you're dealing on fentanyl, the things one hundred
pages long, as they just correct me if I'm wrong,
and we'll go to break on this, but they dismiss
the whole fentanyl and you know, Canada, Mexico, the CCP,
the million people destroyed by fentanyl, the whole issue. Didn't
this three judge panel kind of dismiss this and get
into the meat of kind of trade and didn't even

(13:13):
take the emergency What President Trump said is the emergency
that draw drew this out.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
They kind of dismissed that, didn't they.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
Yeah, So they're focusing mostly, if I understanding correctly, on
the on the on the so called reciprocal terrrists. Now
there's there's three trade statutes. It's actually very confusing. So
there was a Trade Expansion Act of nineteen sixty two.
There is a Trade Act of nineteen seventy four tail
end of Nixon, beginning of the Ford administration. And then
there's the one that that was in question from the
International Trade Court, which is the which is the ie

(13:40):
E p A, the Jimmy Carter Ra Statue. Now, the
Trade Court did not touch the nineteen sixty two or
the nineteen seventy four statute. So for instance, a lot
of these tarrifts when it comes to steel aluminum automobiles,
none of that was touched here. If I understand Correctically,
the focus of this court was primarily on the reciprocal tariffs.
But the federal Sarker is basically saying, you know, put
a pause butt on this, Steve. The real issue is
when you have this this rollout that judges get to

(14:04):
just put a stop to there. I mean markets, investors, traders,
anyone involved in commerce. You need some sort of stability here.
So when you have this kind of litigation, it's kind
of willing nilly. The judge does this, the appellate court
does that. There that that is not the way to
achieve success. But ultimately, I think these people don't really
care about success. Where they fundamentally care about is just getting.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Donald Trump, Josh Hangar for a second.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
The Great Josh Hammer joins us. Also some questions. Got
a magnificent book out about Israel. I want to talk
to him about this entire Frankers we have right now
in Persia. The Great Josh Hammer joins us. After a
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Speaker 9 (14:39):
Work you will lost show right America.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
Use your host Stephen k Back.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
So Hammer, are we in?

Speaker 2 (15:07):
We talked about this coming constitutional crisis. We're in it
right now, or are we not?

Speaker 6 (15:13):
Yes, Steeve, we are kneed deep in a constitutional crisis,
and we're need deep in a constitutional crisis. Not because
Donald Trump is a dictator, fascist, nazi stall whenever they
want to call him now. I mean we're in a
constitutional crisis right now because Donald Trump is facing an
unprecedented judicial insurrection the likes of which no president in
this country has faced since wartime President Abraham Lincoln himself

(15:35):
deal dealing with Roger tani and and chattel slavery and
a genuine literal insurrection likes which we have never seen before.
And there's ultimately only one way this is going to end.
This is this is kind of the craziest point to me, Steve,
The craziest point to me is that the judiciary, including
the International Court of Trade earlier today, which which by
the way, that's that's a partisan corp. By the way,

(15:55):
this is actually one of those are Article one congressionally
created courts deep in the bowels of the executive branch.
It has partisan designations. You have to have certain Republican
nominees Democrat nominees, you know. So the media was reporting that, oh,
a Trump appointee to the International Court of Trade was
the one who struck down these towers. But yeah, it
was technically a Trump nominee from the first term, but

(16:16):
he was literally a Democrat because it's statutorily required that
you have a certain partisan Republican Democrat mix on that court.
So the media just disingenuous and dishonest as always. But
we're in this crisis, and the judiciary, more generally speaking,
whether it's these executive branch courts like the Trade Court
or the bread and butter of the Article three federal courts,
they have to know they're not going to win. They
are not going to win this because they still are literally,

(16:38):
as Hamilton told us in Federal seventy eight, they literally
are of the least dangerous branch, and they have another force,
nor will, but merely judgments. They literally depend, as Hamilton
again said, on the efficacy of the executive branch, even
for the enforcement of their own judgments. They do not
have the tools in their checks and balances and their
separation of powers in their toolkit to win this in
the long term. The only question is how long is

(17:00):
it going to take for them to learn the message
and how much can Congress and President Trump? How much
can the other two branches turn the screws to deliver
the message there. So I've been all in, you know me,
Mike Davis albst Article three project, We've been all in
trying to get all tools on the table, whether it's
digital impeachment of Bozo's like Judge Bosberg and DC, whether
it's trying to jurisdiction strip legislation, whether it's trying to

(17:22):
potentially abolish entire judge ships. There is a lot. There's
a lot that Congress and the President can do to
get the judiciary to understand the message there. But this
digital insurrection, Steve has to stop because we are absolutely
any constitutional crisis and is a crisis entirely of Article
three es owe making.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Okay, but there's zero would you not agree with me?
There's zero appetite.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I mean, Mike Davis, you guys laid out a quite
brilliant menu of what of what should happen at over
at the House to kick things off, impeachment hearings, even investigations,
calling guys in to be questioned publicly, cutting off off
two billion dollars of the ten uh they get to
send a signal that they're not going to get fully

(18:05):
fund it, cut out some jurisdictions. There was zero appetite
by the heroes up in the House to even address
any of that, was it?

Speaker 7 (18:14):
Not?

Speaker 4 (18:14):
Sir?

Speaker 6 (18:16):
I totally agree with you. There's that there should be
more appetites. I mean, look, you have some some congressman
like Brandon Gill, the first term congressman from Texas, who's
kind of been the tip of the spear when it
comes to judicial impeachment efforts there. But when it comes
to some of the some of the bolder stuff, when
it comes to trying to strip jurisdiction there, there's really
not a whole lot of appetite there. Frankly, I would
hope for a lot more from from Chairman Jim Jordy

(18:37):
on the House Judiciary Committee and folks like that. Look,
you definitely have some folks here. I mean, Chip roy
Is knows a thing or two about the law. I
think I think Congressman roy would be very well, positively
inclined towards a lot of what we had Article three
project are preaching there. But you're totally right, Steve. I mean,
you know, when we say these things, there are only
a smaller handful of Congressmen, you know, Andy Biggs. I mean,

(18:58):
I mean there are to be clear, they're death. Only
are some people who get it there. But it's it's
pretty much slim pickings. And I think I think the
reason that it's slim pickings is because even in many
Republican capital or Republican party circles, this broader myth of
the of judicial supremacy, that the judiciary can do no wrong,
and that no matter what they say, even if it's

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a bare five to four decision of the Supreme Court,
there it is automatically the law of the land. And
this is just this, It's it's a mind virus. It's
a total mind disease. The same way that so called
separation of church and state is alive, but people think
that it's there because it's been repeated ad infinitum for
decades and decades. So too, do people think that the
judiciary has the final binding say on all things legal,

(19:42):
constitutional or statutory or otherwise, because it's just been It's
just been repeated by everyone for decades and decades. And
when you just tell a lies toe for long enough
and long enough and long enough, eventually it just seeps
into the broader body politic.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
You went to Chicago Law School, right, yes, sir, and
so you're.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Particularly twisted because that's one of the toughest law schools
in the country. But you guys at Chicago, they have
an angle of attack the way that you're taught the
law correct.

Speaker 6 (20:10):
Chicago is probably known bestie for developing the law and
economics curriculum. That was kind of their big thing back
in the nineteen sixties. That's actually kind of why I
went there in the first place. I studied economics in college,
briefly worked in economic consulting in Washington, d c. For
two years between college and law school. So you know,
this was twelve years ago now. But when I first
asided to going to University Chicago for law school was
largely because of that law and economics background. You know,

(20:32):
back in the day, Steve, back during the Reagan era,
University Chicago Law School was was a firmly right of
center law school, and that continued really into the nineteen nineties,
arguably even into the early two thousands. Unfortunately, Maelma Mater
has taken a left for a term, but it's probably
still better than most of its other peer institutions overall, but.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
It has a frame of reference. It has shifted left.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Isn't correct me if I'm wrong, but President Trump and
part of its anti semitism, but it's deeper into that.
It gets to your book, it's anti the Judeo Christian West.
It's anti Western civilization. His confrontation with Harvard and the
confrontation with the big law firms and the confrontation on

(21:16):
judicial supremacy.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Isn't that one thing right?

Speaker 2 (21:21):
It's connected Harvard and these places are the breeding ground
of it. The law firms is where it gets exacerbated
and they get promoted, and then they get into these
neo Marxist.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Get into the judiciary, and this is why we have
the problem.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
And so the assault on those or I should say
the confrontation of those is actually a fundamental fight about
the direction of this country and who actually controls this country.

Speaker 6 (21:47):
Sir, Yeah, So Harvard is the tip of the spear
literally actually, because I mean, let's think about the affirmative
action litigation that reached the Supreme Court just two years
ago in twenty twenty three, that case with Students for
Fair Emissions versus Harvard College. I mean, Harvard was Harvard
lost that case, Steve that you know, they have not
exactly you know, responded in kind. But when President Trump

(22:07):
signed probably his single most dynamic and paradigm shifting executive
order of his entire presidency so far, and he signed
a lot, to be clear, but in my opinion, it
was that DEI executive order on January twentieth, that, among
other things, interpreted the affirmative action case, the Student for
Fair Emissions case of twenty twenty three. It interpreted that
as banning DEI in general and any thumb on the

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scale that would discriminate against white people, Asian people, Christians, Jews, Mormons,
essentially against anyone in this neo Marxist dichotomy, as you say,
between oppressors and depressed and the tie into my book
Israel and Civilization. Yes, this is part of the broader
assault on the West for numerous reasons. But I argue
in the book Steve that the singular underlying ethical underpinning

(22:54):
of all that we call Western civilization, of the entire
Biblical worldview, the entire Biblical inheritance. I had to really
pinpoint one verse, one verse from the entire Bible that
really undergirds all this. In my humble opinion, it will
be Genesis one twenty seven. You know, so in Latin
they'll be in mago day. In Hebrew we would say,
but sella melchem. This is the imperative that God made

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man in his own image, male and female. He created them.
This is the undergirl for all of Western civilization. You know,
when John Locke wrote in his Second Treatise in seventeenth
century England about about natural rights to life, liberty, and property.
When Jefferson kind of borrowed the Lockean language writing the
Declaration in seventeen seventy six, there they weren't writing these
things in a vacuum. They were talking about the inalienable

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of equal dignity and human worth of human beings. There
because they were writing in a certain contextual Milu there
and that is Genesis one twenty seven. That is the
Bible that the Jeo Christian tradition more broadly speaking, there.
When you abandon that, when you abandon Genesis, when you
abandon the Bible more broadly speaking, you're going in to
really dangerous territory. And among the things that you're going
to go to is affirmative action dei. All the various

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things that reject imago day, that reject Genesis one twenty
seven are going to put in an overt thumb on
the scale in favor of bolstering certain ethnicities, nationalities, religions,
and then punishing certain ethnicities, nationalities, religions. That is, ultimately, Steve,
how the West goes to die. That's at least what
I argue in my book.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
And talk to me. We got a minute orure. I
want to hold you through the break because I want
to get into this this Persian situation. How does that
talk to me? How does that play out? Now?

Speaker 2 (24:28):
This about the defense of Western civilization, how's it playing
out in what's happening Harvard?

Speaker 1 (24:34):
The big law firms and this judicial insurrection.

Speaker 6 (24:39):
Well, the big law firms have increasingly become as a
total cancer on the body politic. I mean, these people
have been at war with anything remotely resembling Americanism or
Westernism for decades. I mean I remember Generin Block, which
is one of the many big law firms that Donald
Trump has appropriately gone after. I remember Generin Block back
during the Bush administration. This is back when I was

(24:59):
in high school. I mean, they became infamous nationwide for
defending al Qaeda terrors at GITMO and doing on a
pro bono basis. I mean, you know this is subversive behavior.
I mean, this is domestic fifth column behavior there. These
are not people that are ultimately out to serve the
common good. They are ultimately out to tear down I
think fundamentally that is what is happening there. And Donald Trump,

(25:19):
as in many other instries, I think, is fundamentally seeking
to uphold the Americanists in Western worldview.

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Can you hang on for a second, joshus want to
hold you through the break. Two things.

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(27:06):
the engine room and ask why are you not in
the White House? So why are you not volunteering to
be special counsel the President Trump needs to prosecute the
deep State? Well, I know you're working. Article three is
important in your columns and all that, But but why
are you not in the White House?

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Sir?

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (27:23):
You know I've never asked that, point blank, Steve, to
be honest with you, I mean, I live in Florida.
I don't even I don't even live in Washington, d C.
You know, Look, I'm always I'm always always happy to
take a phone call someone wants to, you know, inquire,
you know, without revealing too many details. I did have
some informal conversations during the transition period there. But you know,
Stephen A. Personal level. We just had our first baby,

(27:44):
our first daughter, in December. My my in laws live here,
so living in Florida is kind of best for not
just professional ball. So it's just very personal reasons right now.
So I don't necessarily see it happening, but I'm always
happy to answer the PHONEO. Someone wants to call.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Written this incredible book about Israel and the in the
in the civilization Israel in the West. A guy I know,
you know well, a guy I admire, one of the
smartest guys you know about the Constitution, the single smartest
guy named Mark Levin. There's a there's a big you know,
I guess disagreement, you can say. Christy Nome goes over
to deliver the message to Nannya, who once again President

(28:20):
Trump's got wild called.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
They got a plan.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
They're going to go down and negotiate. It's either verification
or it's a dismantling. We don't know the details of
it yet, but there's no support whatsoever of American involvement,
but not even support of Israel doing it on its own.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
This is getting to be a bigger and bigger firestorm.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
The other day we had Rabbi Well Licky given one
side a couple of days ago, then we had Kurt
Mills over the American Conservative given the other side. I
mean it is is Nania who is just the inability
to read the room. Because you know, President Trump as
well as anybody in this issue, we haven't had a
more pro Israel president ever than President Trump. He's got

(28:59):
Huckaby over there as his ambassador, but he's got a
very set way he's looking to do this, particularly in
the overall arc from from you know, Kursk to Kiev
to the whole arc of instability. The last thing he
wants is more gunfire, bombing or kinetic activity.

Speaker 6 (29:19):
Your thoughts, sir, Well, there's a lot of unpack here,
of course. So I watched your entire exchange teave with
with Rabbi Wilicki. Rabbi will Looki's also a friend of mine.
So I watched the entire exchange. I thought it was great.
I thought you guys both made very good points. You
mentioned Mark Levin. Mark, Mark's a friend as well, young
friends of both of you guys.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
There.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
Look, this is a tough issue. There's a tough issue
because partially because it's been around for a long time.
I mean, I mean, we've been hearing about Iron's nuclear
program for probably twenty five thirty years now, I mean
arguably even further than that. And there have been some
people who have been calling for direct military action, you know,
people like John Bolton in that category for you know,
probably close to fifteen years or so. So, you know,

(29:58):
I mean, who am I to say that? Like now,
is like really the time? I mean, I simply don't
get the president's daily briefing. I don't get the intelligence
that the US Israel, any other countries does. I have
no idea, frankly, just how close Iran is to actually
getting enough in Rich Union to be able to put
it on a warhead. So that's not really my position,
frankly to be able to be able to judge.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Here.

Speaker 6 (30:18):
Here are a few things I will say. One seed
that I will say is I have never, once ever,
in my entire adult life, called for a direct US
military action on Iran.

Speaker 9 (30:26):
Never.

Speaker 6 (30:26):
I have never said that. It's not my book, it's
not my stance. I've never once said it. My stance
was actually essentially what Donald Trump did the first time around.
I thought that the so called maximum pressure campaign was
actually working quite well. On the Molas, bringing them to
essentially close to the to the brink of bankruptcy. You
definitely could begin by the upping sanctions on their oil
and natural gas exports. I heard you and Eric Bowling

(30:47):
talking about the little at the beginning of the show.
When it comes to the Chinese Communist Party, that's the
number one importer of Irani and oil.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
There.

Speaker 6 (30:54):
When it comes to the ongoing diplomacy between the Steve
witcoff led American team and the Iran look like literally
any other American, any other America first Maga patriot, I
strongly preferred diplomacy to anything else. But you know, again
to go back to what Eric was saying, and I
think that you would agree with this, Steve. You know
you're dealing here with the most deceitful people on the
face of the earth. I mean, the Moles have been

(31:16):
lying to the United States, to everyone, like literally everyone,
for twenty five thirty years. They go to extraordinary lengths
to hide the progress of their nuclear program. And let's
recall that while the while iron is an existential threat
to Israel, it's not quite an existential threat to America.
It's definitely a threat to America. This regime has had
American blood on tans going back at least as far

(31:36):
as the event that formed the region the regime, the
Jimmy Carter era hostage crisis. They chant get to America
and their potempkin the legislature every single day. So you
don't want these guys to get a new now. If
it can be done via diplomacy, I'm all in for that.
I am skeptical simply because of who we are dealing with.
I'm not skeptical of President Trump's intentions at all. I

(31:58):
am simply skeptical of the nature of the counter party.
But I mean, let's see what happens. I mean, I mean,
it's still ongoing right now. And you know my stand
at this exact time is, you know, let Donald Trump chew.
I mean, I mean, let him burn. Let's see what happens.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
But you bring up something and I don't hear that
at the forefront day. This is why I keep banging
the table. Go back to the maximum pressure campaign. This
is what President Trump in a team and I was
part of that came up in the first round because
as a young naval officer, I was there at the
beginning in the work up to the hostage crisis right
when our when our battle you know, our destroyer squadron

(32:33):
got called over there, when the when the hostages were
taken and it was all new territory.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
I mean, the United States had no assets.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
This is why giving up Diego Garcia like the British did,
is such a such a body blow. But the maximum
pressure campaign was bringing the Mulas to its knees and
causing amazing dissension inside of Persia, where the Persian people said,
We've had enough of this.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Why are we not? Do you agree?

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Right now we're nowhere close to a max some pressure
campaign on economic and diplomatic pressure, Sir, I do.

Speaker 6 (33:04):
Agree with that, and I would like to see that
dramatically escalating that now. Biden took a lot of sanctions
off of Iran. As we know, he funded the Malas.
There was that absurd exchange of five American hostages for
six billion dollars literally one point two billion dollars of hostage.
That was in September twenty twenty three, just a few
weeks prior to the October seventh Pagram in Israel. So
Joe Biden undid a lot of the Donald Trump first

(33:28):
term era macnet pressure campaign. Trump has has put some
new sanctions onto Iranian weapons manufacturers, arms dealers, things like
that there, but there is a lot left to do.
There was a lot of meat left on that bone,
so to speak. The easiest way to make this regime
hurt is energy. This is this is essentially a petroleum

(33:48):
led country. They don't really have a whole lot of
advanced industries, advanced technologies, really anything there is. You know,
this is not even the UAE or Bahrain, I mean
another country in that part of the world that is
still primarily oil natural gas during there, but also has
banking financial services there. No, Iran is really, to this
day a country whose economy is very, very largely dependent

(34:08):
on oil and natural gas there. And it seems to
me like kind of a very low hanging fruit proposition.
You can kind of get a two for the price
of one if you just sanction the utter crap out
of their oil and natural gas exports there. Again, China's
the number one importer there. I would very much like
to see that happen right now. Here's what I will say.
I don't know exactly how you how you do that
simultaneously with the ongoing negotiations there at least at least

(34:31):
it depends how you are projecting yourself in the negotiations, right.
I mean, so those two things don't necessarily go together
so easily there. It's probably achievable. But I share your points, Steeve.
I mean to me, this is really not kind of
an A or B proposition there. It's not like we
do nothing or we do like a Barack Obama JCPUA
give them a nuke, or on the other hand, you know,

(34:52):
you do regime change. I mean, it's not an A
or B proposition there. There is a very very very
large sweet spot somewhere in the middle. It seemed to
me like the first Trump term era maccin pressure campaign
really kind of hit that sweet spot.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Josh, Where do people get your writings? Where can they
get the book?

Speaker 10 (35:08):
So?

Speaker 6 (35:08):
The book is Israel and Civilization, The Fate of the
Jewish Nation and the Destiny of the West. It's available
at Amazon, Barnes, Noble, wherever you get your books. I'm
on ex Josh Underscore Hammer Instagram is Josh B. Hammer
and then my show, The Josh Hammer Show. It was
available everywhere. Podcasts are available.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Thank you, brother, appreciate you taking the time.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
Today anytimes, Steve, thank you.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
The convergence of these crises is going to be because
remember it's ten years ago on June fifteenth, the President
Trump came down the Golden Escalator. People remember at Seapack
that took place just one hundred days before. I'm talking
about the Seapack. In twenty fifteen, Donald Trump, I think

(35:51):
came in seventh at just over three percent.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
I think he had three and andred percent. And this
is how he had been. It was right before Super Tuesday.
That's in twenty fifteen, right, not Super Tuesday, supertoos later,
but it was he was already out.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
He had been in Iowa, he had been in New
Hampshire that had that been in South Carolina, had that
huge event in they brought all the candis together at
the Sherman Theater in Iowa. President Trump was out about
finished I think seventh to three and a half percent.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
He finished.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
On the when he's at the top of the escalator,
I think he's in seventh place on general polling. After
he goes to the escalator and actually addresses the American people,
and people realize MAGA and somebody the think at Breitbart,
we had five or six people there.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
The covered wall to wall. That night he went to
number one and.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Accept for doctor Ben Carson, coming close in kind of
a tie and a poll that took place a couple
months later.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
President Trump was always in first place.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Why he addressed the American people in an nomenclature and
with ideas that they talked amongst themselves or thought, but
nobody had the political courage ever to talk about And
guess what, it's the program that he is fighting for
every single day.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
That was ten years ago, a decade.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
We've gone through a decade together and those of you
that were with us before from fourteen on, it's been
over decade. But in this decade of everything that's gone
on with President Trump, everything that's gone on with the
MAGA movement, and think about it for a second. That
come from behind victory first off, the brutal and tough
primary fight in twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen, that come

(37:41):
from behind victory against Hillary Clinton, the massive revolt of
the deep state, and a nullification project in his first
term in the fight he had every day, you know,
every day there the pandemic unleashed by the Chinese Communist
Party to stop the economic flourishing. The President trum I
had against all odds, the stolen election of twenty twenty.

(38:05):
In fact, as I said today, I was talking to
people at the New York Post, the heroic nature of
the New York Post printing the laptop from Hell and
everything that involved in Joe Biden on national TV at
a debate lying ballface lie, in the crushing of the
New York Post by Facebook, by Twitter at the time,

(38:26):
by all the social media accounts, then the stealing of
the twenty twenty election, the fight thereafter President Trump, then
leaving to go to mar Lago. You remember essentially the
political nuclear winter of that early part of twenty twenty one,
when Fox News would never even put him up and
they wouldn't cover him live because they feared he would
talk about the stolen election, the long journey back of

(38:50):
twenty to the twenty four primary in his victory then
and then this hand to hand combat in twenty twenty
four to win a sweeping victory across the board. This
is all historic over a decade, and you have been
an activist, some of you just recently adjoining, are recently

(39:11):
coming to the show.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
That's fine.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Many of you hear from the beginning, you're like veterans
of the American Revolution. You understand this is a revolution.
All that everything that happened in that decade ten years
of your life is just a preamble for what's about
to happen. Because now we're in it, folks, and you
see the conversions of the kinetic part of the Third
World War and what he's trying to do on peace.

(39:34):
You see what's happening on try to stop the invasion,
which he has stopped. Didn't take a decade, didn't take
Langford's bill. It took a man that had an idea
and a plan and executed in sixty days. To stop
that now is to deport the invader. The fight he's
getting by the globalist elite to still run this country.
Don't think we run it. We have a foothold, and

(39:58):
we have a man, a leader that is making decisions
that are herculean. This is why I say, with all
his imperfections, he's at the level of General Washington, he's
at the level of Lincoln.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
And you have Trump. Then you got a next lot down.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
You got Reagan, you got FDR, you got Teddy Roosevelt
and others Jackson.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
But that top three.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
You have the birth of the nation, you have the
rebirth of the nation, and you have the rejuvenation and
the salvation of the nation. And now we're in it
the next couple of hundred days as all of this converges,
an economic and financial crisis, a constitutional crisis, and a
kinetic third World war that's now upon us and upon

(40:42):
the shoulders and one man to stop. The history is
going to be made in the next couple of hundred days,
will be talked about for the next couple of hundred years.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Short break. God, we rejoice, most do.

Speaker 6 (40:58):
And he's doing it so early.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
Does make you ask the question, is he sending a
message to others, Hey, listen, if you want something, just
donate to a superpack, or be really vocal about me,
Be really vocal about all the good that I'm doing.
Give me a reason to help you by helping me.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
I think that's absolutely right.

Speaker 10 (41:23):
And it's so funny because you don't really hear him
talking about draining the swamp too much anymore, because he
has fully embraced the swamp down in Washington. It's also
quite funny that he tries to present himself as somebody
who's interested in serious criminal justice reform, when, as you
point out, it's mostly about flattering his buddies or trying

(41:47):
to get something in exchange, like the tariff policy was.
It's about consolidating his power and also having all of
the countries come to him to make a deal so
he can be to borrow from George W. Bush, the
decider in these instances. But the Trump administration is a
mass incarceration administration and that should not go unsaid when

(42:08):
he's trying to position himself as anything but that.

Speaker 6 (42:11):
Pam Bondi is.

Speaker 10 (42:11):
A former lobbyist for a private prison company, Tom Holman,
his borders are is also heavily involved in private prisons financially,
and so this is not an administration that actually wants
to take on criminal justice reform. They are warehousing immigrants
as we speak, without due process, as you see.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Hang on, hang on, hang on. This is the bald
face lies they tell, and this is why they're losing.
She's a bald face liar. Nobody has done more on
prison reform and work with prisoners is more anti mass
incarceration the Democratic Party. And I say that somebody's in prison,

(42:53):
and you talk to the black and Hispanic prisoners and
there they'll tell you on August. On September twenty sixth,
and Grace, we should put this up because you were
involved in this. In prison, I put the only statement
I think I ever put it in prison about the
coming victory over Kamala Harrison.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
You know where I got that from the prisoners.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Because the Kamala Harrison, the Democratic Party and that young
lady right there, they represent mass incarcerations. What he's doing
with illegal aliens is not mass incarceration. That's deportation of
people that have no depressers rights and are going to
get the hell out of this country. President Trump the
First Step Act asked the prisoners, ma'am, have you interviewed

(43:33):
the prisoners? His First Step Act is the boldest move
ever against mass incarceration. Remember, the Democratic Party and particularly
the progressive part of the Democratic Party have been for
mass incarcerations. And you know who knows that, the families
of prisoners. What President Trump is for is mass deportation

(43:54):
of illegal aliens, and they're going to get mass deported.
For you to sit there and Katie, now for you
to correct that baldface lie, and that was a bald
face lie. And Katie Turr you know better. This is
how corrupt MSNBC is. This is why they're kind of
no offense becoming more and more irrelevant. This is why
African American men are voting for President Trump in the

(44:16):
MAGA movement in record numbers. This is why the Hispanic
community is coming to President Trump in the MAGA movement
in record numbers. This is why Star County, Texas, where
we lost by sixty points to Hillary Clinton twenty sixteen,
President Trump won by sixteen points in twenty twenty four
a county that's hard scrabbled with working class Hispanics right

(44:37):
there on the border. That's ninety seven percent Hispanic, ninety
seven percent Hispanic. No, President Trump is one hundred percent
against mass incarcerations. What he is for is the first
step act to try to cut these ridiculously long prison
sentences they get from woke federal judges. So don't sit

(45:00):
there and tell me he's for that. That is a
baldface lie in. You, ma'am, are a baldface liar. If
you don't believe me, go to a federal prison and
talk to the inmates. Mike Lindell joins us. Mike Lindell.
You're going up against this system in what they call
the trial of the century. Is it really the trial

(45:21):
of the century, Mike Lindell, do you got a shot
a winning? Are you going to get smoked in court
in Colorado?

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Sir? We are gonna win, Steve. And it's all come
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Speaker 1 (46:10):
These midterms are the most important mid terms in history.

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Speaker 7 (46:34):
And with that.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
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But they weaponized the system against this. The FBI came away,
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half years now, we've been fighting them. They've been attacking
me every single day. And Donald Trump's in power. Why
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They don't want to have paper ballots hand count it.
And we are gonna win.

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Thank you, Mike, good on you.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Okay, next hour, we're gonna get down to it even deeper.
Brian Costello, Joe Allen come back join me about the
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Speaker 1 (48:52):
Next in the war room,