July 4, 2025 • 48 mins
THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON,
GUESTS:
PATRICK K. O'DONNELL
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
As it recognized as mister Adams of Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Objects of the most stupendous magnitude, measures which will affect
the lives of millions born and unborn.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Are now before us.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
We must expect a great expense of blood to obtain them.
But we must always remember that a free constitution of
civil government cannot be purchased at too dear a rate,
as there is nothing on this side of Jerusalem of
(01:04):
greater importance to mankind. My worthy colleague from Pennsylvania, spoken
with great ingenuity and eloquence, he has given you a
grim prognostication a national future. But where he foresees apocalypse,
(01:31):
I see hope. I see a new nation ready to
take its place in the world. Not an empire, but
a republic, and a republic.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Of the laws.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Not men, gentlemen, we are in the very midst of revolution,
the most complete, unexpected, and remarkable of any in the
history of the world. How few of the human race
(02:13):
have ever had an opportunity of choosing a system of
government for themselves and the children. I am not without apprehensions, gentlemen,
(02:33):
But the end we have in sight is more than
worth all the means. I believe sirs, that the hour
has come. My judgment approves this measure, and my whole
(02:54):
heart is in it all that I have, all that
I am, and all that I hope in this life.
I am now ready to stake upon it while I live.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Let me have a country, a free country. Let me care.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Now, this is something altogether unexpected, not only a declaration
of our independence, but.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Of the rights of all men.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Now this is this is this is well said, sir,
very very well said. The Christian King of Great Britain
has waged cruel war against human nature itself.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
In the persons of a distant people who never.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Offended him, captivating and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yes, you lay the evils of slavery at the feet
of the king, but you say nothing of slavery itself, Sir,
not Surely, if the trade is outlawed but ownership is not,
then those unfortunate negroes still in servity will become a
more lucrative commodity.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Well, that's not what I intended, doctor Franklin.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Slavery is an abomination and must be loudly proclaimed as such.
That I own that neither I nor any man has
any immediate.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Solution to the problem. But it does no matter.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
The issue before us is independence and not emancipation, Doctor Franklin.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
As document is I think something our friends in the
Congress will debate, but I would be very surprised if
they will countenance an attack on slavery.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
No.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable, that
all men are created equal, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Mm hmm. Sacred and undeniable smacks of the pulpit.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Does it.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
M These truths are self evident? Are they not? Perhaps
self evident? Then self evident? Self evident? You're not mistaken, sir.
(06:57):
I share your sentiment. Every single word was precisely chosen.
I assure you that, doctor Franklin.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yes, but yours will not be the only hand in
this document.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
It cannot be.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
They will try to mangle it, and they may succeed.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
There may be expressions which I would not have inserted
if I had drawn it up, but I will defend
every word of it.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Well, that's what I believe. This is a marvelous invention,
mister Jefferson. Yes, I went through a number of variations.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
This is by far the most successful simplest is always
the best.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
It's two seats and the top one swivels on rollers
made from the window sass pulleys. Oh, most ingenious.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray
for our enemies because we're going to medieval on these people.
Here's not got a free shot.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
All these networks lying about the people, the people have
had a belly full of it.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I know you don't like hearing that.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
I know you tried to do everything in the world
to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
It's going to happen. And where do people like that
go to share the big line?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Mega media?
Speaker 6 (08:27):
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of
these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my
task and what is my purpose? If that answer is
to save my country, this country.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Will be saved. Wom here's your host, Stephen K.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Bath.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
It's Friday, four July, the fourth of July in the
year of the Lord, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
It's Independence Day, and of course.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Here always on Independence Day and our other great civic holidays,
we try to get the music.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
And the tempo right. We're live today.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
And honored to be doing this and thanking Real America's
voice and the complete staff for Real America's voices for
making this happen.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
We always open these days with.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Footage or film our music that tries to bring back
and so you can commemorate actually what happened today. Throughout
the morning commemoration, we'll be playing clips from I think
two masterpieces, HBO's series John Adams that was starting Paul
Giamatti as John Adams, the late and great Tom Wilkerson,
(09:48):
a great British actor as doctor Benjamin Franklin. Of course
Stephen Adeline as Thomas Jefferson, who I think absolutely steals it.
And I don't say that as a Virginia, just unbelievable ormans,
all of them. That's a masterpiece. If you have not
watched John Adams, I strongly recommend that you do it,
and do it with the family. Also, we'll be taking
(10:10):
clips from the Broadway classic and film I think from
nineteen seventy two seventeen seventy six.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
We'll play that through throughout the morning. Also, Patrick k
O'Donnell will join me in.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
For the simple reason is that I think is what's
lost in thinking about independence day and thinking about the
fourth of July, and John Adams brought it up there
in that was his response at the beginning to John
Dickinson of Pennsylvania. Dickinson was a Quaker, he was also
(10:48):
what we call a loyalist. He's the one in the
deliberations that tried to make the case that they were
Englishmen and they should try to work out some accommodation
with the king, and that would negotiate.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
And compromise were best.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Of course, they got it thrown back in their face
by the Crown consistently, and that's John Adams saying, hey,
we absolutely have to make a break.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
And that led to the committee.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
That was drafted the Declaration of Independence. Really the lead
writer Thomas Jefferson, and there you've seen the beginning of
the editing process, of which doctor Franklin and John Adams
helped him. They felt cleaned up a bit before put
before the.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Entire body. Of course, there were many more edits after that,
but the.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Core of it, Thomas Jefferson's one thing to remember, it
was a declaration of war.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
It's a declaration of independence. But when you're part of
an empire and you're.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Saying, hey, upon further review, we're independent, You're going to war.
And Adams knew this, all of them knew it. What
is often lost and the teaching of the Declaration of
Independence and our birthday on on the fourth of July
seventeen seventy six, is that that was a tremendous debate
(12:06):
in a document that's lived through the ages and inspired
people of all nations. As doctor Menagament Franklin says right there,
it's for all men, and John Adams also says, this
is for all mankind, just not for the English colonists
in North America at the time. But the largest expeditionary
force in history to date was actually landing in New
(12:31):
York City at that time. I believe they had already
landed at Staten Island, the beginning of it landed Staten
Island on the second of July. This would turn out
to be over I think, a couple of hundred warships
and transport ships from the Royal Navy, which was an
institution that England really rose to power around its navy.
(12:53):
The British Army also was landing, and in fact, just
a couple of weeks after this, the Declaration basically by
early to mid August. They were ready to get it
on and essentially destroy the Continental Army and really take
America back and beat down and crush the revolution. In
the first ninety days after the sign of the declaration.
(13:17):
My point, the founders and the founders of the revolutionary
generation understood that this was going to have to resort
to a fight, and this fight would cause a river
of blood. And they were bound and determined to lead
their countrymen in that fight.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
And it wasn't just going to come.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
From a bunch of smart lawyers and people that knew
rhetoric writing a flowery document to inspire people. They understood
that this would have to stand the test of a.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Long and brutal war.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
That war did not end till seventeen eighty three. And
there were days, as I tell you, in our struggle,
there were days that you could not see the sunlit
uplands in the revolution. In fact, in the first from
the time the British landed in Long Island and swept
(14:13):
through through the American Thermopyla that took place in Brooklyn
all the way to the American Dunkirk that took place
at Brooklyn Heights, pushing us off Manhattan, then to New Jersey,
and all the way back till we crossed the Delaware
River back into Pennsylvania. Those first sixty ninety days of
battle looked very grim.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Patrick K.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
O'donald, the greatest combat historian of his generation, will join
us at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
It's Independence Day. In the war room, stick around.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
We're gonna have music, film clips, history, all of it
to commemorate the birth of this nation.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Speaking thunder to England, France, and Spain, nations over the ocean,
spread shelter
As it recognized as mister Adams of Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Objects of the most stupendous magnitude, measures which will affect
the lives of millions born and unborn.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Are now before us.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
We must expect a great expense of blood to obtain them.
But we must always remember that a free constitution of
civil government cannot be purchased at too dear a rate,
as there is nothing on this side of Jerusalem of
(01:04):
greater importance to mankind. My worthy colleague from Pennsylvania, spoken
with great ingenuity and eloquence, he has given you a
grim prognostication a national future. But where he foresees apocalypse,
(01:31):
I see hope. I see a new nation ready to
take its place in the world. Not an empire, but
a republic, and a republic.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Of the laws.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Not men, gentlemen, we are in the very midst of revolution,
the most complete, unexpected, and remarkable of any in the
history of the world. How few of the human race
(02:13):
have ever had an opportunity of choosing a system of
government for themselves and the children. I am not without apprehensions, gentlemen,
(02:33):
But the end we have in sight is more than
worth all the means. I believe sirs, that the hour
has come. My judgment approves this measure, and my whole
(02:54):
heart is in it all that I have, all that
I am, and all that I hope in this life.
I am now ready to stake upon it while I live.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Let me have a country, a free country. Let me care.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Now, this is something altogether unexpected, not only a declaration
of our independence, but.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Of the rights of all men.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Now this is this is this is well said, sir,
very very well said. The Christian King of Great Britain
has waged cruel war against human nature itself.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
In the persons of a distant people who never.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Offended him, captivating and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yes, you lay the evils of slavery at the feet
of the king, but you say nothing of slavery itself, Sir,
not Surely, if the trade is outlawed but ownership is not,
then those unfortunate negroes still in servity will become a
more lucrative commodity.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Well, that's not what I intended, doctor Franklin.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Slavery is an abomination and must be loudly proclaimed as such.
That I own that neither I nor any man has
any immediate.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Solution to the problem. But it does no matter.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
The issue before us is independence and not emancipation, Doctor Franklin.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
As document is I think something our friends in the
Congress will debate, but I would be very surprised if
they will countenance an attack on slavery.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
No.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable, that
all men are created equal, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Mm hmm. Sacred and undeniable smacks of the pulpit.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Does it.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
M These truths are self evident? Are they not? Perhaps
self evident? Then self evident? Self evident? You're not mistaken, sir.
(06:57):
I share your sentiment. Every single word was precisely chosen.
I assure you that, doctor Franklin.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yes, but yours will not be the only hand in
this document.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
It cannot be.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
They will try to mangle it, and they may succeed.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
There may be expressions which I would not have inserted
if I had drawn it up, but I will defend
every word of it.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Well, that's what I believe. This is a marvelous invention,
mister Jefferson. Yes, I went through a number of variations.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
This is by far the most successful simplest is always
the best.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
It's two seats and the top one swivels on rollers
made from the window sass pulleys. Oh, most ingenious.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray
for our enemies because we're going to medieval on these people.
Here's not got a free shot.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
All these networks lying about the people, the people have
had a belly full of it.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I know you don't like hearing that.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
I know you tried to do everything in the world
to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
It's going to happen. And where do people like that
go to share the big line?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Mega media?
Speaker 6 (08:27):
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of
these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my
task and what is my purpose? If that answer is
to save my country, this country.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Will be saved. Wom here's your host, Stephen K.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Bath.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
It's Friday, four July, the fourth of July in the
year of the Lord, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
It's Independence Day, and of course.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Here always on Independence Day and our other great civic holidays,
we try to get the music.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
And the tempo right. We're live today.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
And honored to be doing this and thanking Real America's
voice and the complete staff for Real America's voices for
making this happen.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
We always open these days with.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Footage or film our music that tries to bring back
and so you can commemorate actually what happened today. Throughout
the morning commemoration, we'll be playing clips from I think
two masterpieces, HBO's series John Adams that was starting Paul
Giamatti as John Adams, the late and great Tom Wilkerson,
(09:48):
a great British actor as doctor Benjamin Franklin. Of course
Stephen Adeline as Thomas Jefferson, who I think absolutely steals it.
And I don't say that as a Virginia, just unbelievable ormans,
all of them. That's a masterpiece. If you have not
watched John Adams, I strongly recommend that you do it,
and do it with the family. Also, we'll be taking
(10:10):
clips from the Broadway classic and film I think from
nineteen seventy two seventeen seventy six.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
We'll play that through throughout the morning. Also, Patrick k
O'Donnell will join me in.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
For the simple reason is that I think is what's
lost in thinking about independence day and thinking about the
fourth of July, and John Adams brought it up there
in that was his response at the beginning to John
Dickinson of Pennsylvania. Dickinson was a Quaker, he was also
(10:48):
what we call a loyalist. He's the one in the
deliberations that tried to make the case that they were
Englishmen and they should try to work out some accommodation
with the king, and that would negotiate.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
And compromise were best.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Of course, they got it thrown back in their face
by the Crown consistently, and that's John Adams saying, hey,
we absolutely have to make a break.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
And that led to the committee.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
That was drafted the Declaration of Independence. Really the lead
writer Thomas Jefferson, and there you've seen the beginning of
the editing process, of which doctor Franklin and John Adams
helped him. They felt cleaned up a bit before put
before the.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Entire body. Of course, there were many more edits after that,
but the.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Core of it, Thomas Jefferson's one thing to remember, it
was a declaration of war.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
It's a declaration of independence. But when you're part of
an empire and you're.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Saying, hey, upon further review, we're independent, You're going to war.
And Adams knew this, all of them knew it. What
is often lost and the teaching of the Declaration of
Independence and our birthday on on the fourth of July
seventeen seventy six, is that that was a tremendous debate
(12:06):
in a document that's lived through the ages and inspired
people of all nations. As doctor Menagament Franklin says right there,
it's for all men, and John Adams also says, this
is for all mankind, just not for the English colonists
in North America at the time. But the largest expeditionary
force in history to date was actually landing in New
(12:31):
York City at that time. I believe they had already
landed at Staten Island, the beginning of it landed Staten
Island on the second of July. This would turn out
to be over I think, a couple of hundred warships
and transport ships from the Royal Navy, which was an
institution that England really rose to power around its navy.
(12:53):
The British Army also was landing, and in fact, just
a couple of weeks after this, the Declaration basically by
early to mid August. They were ready to get it
on and essentially destroy the Continental Army and really take
America back and beat down and crush the revolution. In
the first ninety days after the sign of the declaration.
(13:17):
My point, the founders and the founders of the revolutionary
generation understood that this was going to have to resort
to a fight, and this fight would cause a river
of blood. And they were bound and determined to lead
their countrymen in that fight.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
And it wasn't just going to come.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
From a bunch of smart lawyers and people that knew
rhetoric writing a flowery document to inspire people. They understood
that this would have to stand the test of a.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Long and brutal war.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
That war did not end till seventeen eighty three. And
there were days, as I tell you, in our struggle,
there were days that you could not see the sunlit
uplands in the revolution. In fact, in the first from
the time the British landed in Long Island and swept
(14:13):
through through the American Thermopyla that took place in Brooklyn
all the way to the American Dunkirk that took place
at Brooklyn Heights, pushing us off Manhattan, then to New Jersey,
and all the way back till we crossed the Delaware
River back into Pennsylvania. Those first sixty ninety days of
battle looked very grim.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Patrick K.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
O'donald, the greatest combat historian of his generation, will join
us at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
It's Independence Day. In the war room, stick around.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
We're gonna have music, film clips, history, all of it
to commemorate the birth of this nation.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Speaking thunder to England, France, and Spain, nations over the ocean,
spread shelter
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